Fore Play - Kisner by a million?

Episode Date: August 29, 2019

Kiz calls into the show to preview the 5-iron match and detail his finish to the season, including what happens to his $843K FedEx Cup paycheck. You'll want to hear this. We also debate if an average golfer with TOUR-like resources and commitment could become a scratch golfer!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hey, folks, we're back. Kevin Kisner, Kiz joins the show. This really wasn't that plan. It's classic Kiz. We were just kind of texting, shooting the shit. He's like, oh, you guys are going to a podcast?

He want me to call in. And then he just called in for like 25 minutes. So Kiz is on this show. I'd like to give a big shout out to Drew. Happy birthday to Drew. His girlfriend, Caitlin, hit me up and said, hey, My boyfriend Drew, he's a huge fan of the show. Loves you guys.

I mean the world to him if you shout out his birthday. He's going through a little bit of a tough time. I don't know all the details. Bottom line, we're here to please the people. Drew, thank you for listening. You're the man. Happy birthday. I was going to say, we don't really talk birthdays on this show, but we'll make an exception for Drew.

It's not a birthday show. No, it's not. We never talk birthdays. I kind of birthday shame usually. Like, it's your birthday, relax. But for Drew, you know, I'll say, happy birthday. Happy birthday, Drew. Happy birthday, Drew.

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What are you doing? We're sitting in studio podcasting. What are you doing? Hey, it's Four Play. This is Dushbag Riggs. That's a good friend Lurch. I honestly, I was trying to come up with something funny to say, and that's just what I came up with.

It's in the morning. That's pretty lame. This is early for you guys, I know. Why are you up? What are you doing? I'm going over to the golf course and get all my coolers clean out. Why are you always doing our podcast really early in the morning? What's with that?

Because some of us wake up, you know, and you can't drink all bad if you don't start anymore. I get a question. What time did you start drinking yesterday? Well, about two. That's not bad, actually. It's not bad, kids. Drink of choice yesterday?

He was in there. Wow. I thought Lurch was doing software today. He's got podcast time today? Got to do it all, you know? Software will be there. Got a couple big calls this afternoon. Try to get some people on the old Lurchy software.

As much as you get paid to do this podcast, man. You should be in there all the time. Considering this is free. It's tough. Oh, you get some perks? Yeah. There's no doubt about it. I wouldn't say it's totally free.

So, Kiz, what, you know, yesterday you were chirping a little bit. you texted Lurch actually at one point last night. You just said, Lurch, you're pretty worthless, huh? You want to elaborate on that at all or no? Why did I sing that? What did you sing before it? Nothing. That's why it was hilarious.

Just out of the blue. We're at the U.S. Open. We're watching old tennis. And then all of a sudden, you just texted us, Lurch, you're pretty worthless, huh? There's absolutely no telling where that came from. Glad to know you were still getting a kicker. I wonder what you were looking at. You had to be scrolling through something on your phone and just thought, man, that guy's worthless.

I don't know what I look at. No telling, bud. That's fair enough. I go off in these random thoughts of my head when I'm drinking, and then I text everybody in the next day I wake up to all these people asking me what I was doing. Just feeling pretty good after the FedEx. I guess so, man. It's time to unwind.

So that's vacation kids. Let's talk a little FedEx real quick. 843K Yeah Tide for ninth Do you feel like you deserve that for Tide for ninth? Well it's only 443K cash, boys

400 I don't see for 15 years So we were talking about that a little bit this morning And then you put me through a finance lesson Because I was like, that's bullshit We want that right now And you said well actually it'll be worth a lot more in 15 years

Yeah exactly I thought you going to Harvard would understand that But obviously you just played hockey like the fourth string anyway what are they called any what are you called when you go on the ice uh fourth line like fourth line yeah are you on the fourth line of harbourn more of a healthy scratch what's that mean that means i was healthy enough to play but they just chose not to put me in oh healthy scratch yeah that's exactly what that means but one goal two is just minus 11th your slap shot was probably weak as dog shit i was not i was never a big i never had a high

howitzer. It was more wrist shot, trying to be crafty in the corner, slashed in the stands in a suit. It was probably like a little softball high that was dropping. You probably could freak out the goalie because it was the softest shot he's ever seen, so I didn't know how to react. Yeah, a little off-speed pitch. Can you score him, Lurch? No. What do you mean? No.

Come on. Not outside the hash marks, no way. That's just a lot. No way. No way. Because he's got, he's just got a little snapper. That's it. Lurch is like a, he's got a bad stride.

Lurch was like a club D3 athlete, and I was Division 1 in CAA athlete. Division 1, Healthy Scratch. So, kids, of your 843K, 400, how much do you actually see? I think people are fascinated by the breakdown, who gets what swing coaches, all that shit? I get all of it in my account, and I have to pay all my employees. 8% to Dewey, 3% of JT, 1% to Tim Yelverton. a lot to Donald Trump and a lot to Georgia

a lot to South Carolina and I get a little bit of cromwaiter 8 to Dewey and Dewey so my favorite thing about Dewey was he used to tell him X amount X amount a week and then at one point Dewey came to you and said kids you paid me

too much a week and you were like oh okay we'll dial it back exactly I used to give them top 10 incentive like I'd raise the salary every time I finished top 10 but then it got a little bit out of control because I actually started playing decent golf.

You're like, oh, shit, I didn't think I'd play this well. I didn't know I was going to have seven top tens this year, bro. Was this the best year of your career? This year? Yeah. Nah, 15. What were you doing in 15? What were you doing in 15?

That was the best year. What were you doing in 15 that made you better than 19? The players weren't as good. Kids hasn't changed. Simple. No I You gotta have a lot of luckier way

When you're 510 160 pounds to finish To have that many good finishes I probably was just lucky as hell that year How many how many courses do you think you could actually win at Courses Yeah like tournaments courses On the schedule I'm playing now Like four

Which one? Like in 15 I wasn't in any I was hardly in any of the majors in world golf championships So I was playing all the normal tournaments that were shorter and easier why don't we just do that why wouldn't I just do that yeah

because they don't pay as good all about the benjamin's baby and the world ranking points uh let's talk five iron match so last time we had you on the show is when that came to be I think we were kind of just fucking around busting each other's balls five iron match has taken uh

you know it's got a lot of wind behind it taking flight taking flight. Do you think you're going to win the five-iron match? I'm pretty sure there's no doubt I'm going to win. That's correct. The mere fact is that you should quit golf if I beat you with just a five-iron. I'm not going to do that.

I mean, that should be the stipulations. That's a little steep, I think. I love golf too much because I do a golf podcast. Do you think you can beat me? Yes, I will beat you. you think so even with me chirping in your ear all day i'll be chirping you too bro my whole life is chirp we chirp for a living yeah but you can't handle it i can that's why i play for golf for a living you talk for a living

good one that hurt us all in the room hit everybody right in the chest i will say that one hurt all the boys right there frankie's in there trentz in there nobody wants to speak up today Well, to be fair. Craig, he was late. To be fair, kids, like, you know, we were supposed to start at nine. It was supposed to be, like, a soft nine, because I didn't know we were having you on the goddamn show. And then I walked in.

I'm like, what's up, boys? And then I hear just kids just, like, talking on the mic. Because you call in at, like, random early hours. You can't call in at, like, two to four when we do the goddamn show. I got to wake up in a New York City apartment. I got three roommates. We're all rushing around to get here early, and you're just on the phone at 9 a.m. Is 9 a.m. early?

Yeah. I was texting alerts at 645. Jesus. Well, Lurface. Lurch is a real human being. He's got to go to a job with a briefcase and khakis on. We show up to work in a sweatshirt and jeans. Let's discuss the over-ondra on Phil Mickelson responding by text about getting on the podcast.

Yeah, so, kids, you want to read the text that you said to Phil this morning? Kids said Phil a text. So I just responded. I just love the message. I don't remember what I said. It was a long time ago this morning, but probably along the lines that you guys are my buddies and they want you on the podcast. if you want to go on there, I'll set it up for you. So, Kiz did.

He texted us a screenshot at 7.05 a.m. It just said, Phil, those barstool boys are buddies of mine and want you on their podcast. If you have any interest, let me know, and I'll set it up. Thanks, period. That's doing us a big song there, kids. It's still in California right now? He's either. Yeah, he'll get it in about an hour.

Yeah, when he popped up. I saw he was tweeting out his schedule the other days. Like, I work out at 6.30 a.m. And then I'm on the beach with the family. So he's up early. Oh, he better be responding. Like, right now. I'm on this phone call.

That'd be great. That would be wild. We got to drag this fucking thing out until Phil responds to his text. Well, last night when we were all drinking, we were texting. Like, yo, you got to help us get Phil on the show. And kids' response was like, pay me $50 grand and I'll set it up. Yeah. So where's my 50 at?

We're working on it. It hasn't been done yet. All right. I'll just do it. I'll set it up if you make my foundation event video bad. Oh, it'll be badass. So we are the only media going to that thing, correct? Well, you're what? We're the only media going to your foundation event?

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, we're going to make that thing real badass. We're doing a whole weekend in Aiken. And you're the only people with VIP access besides the people that are paying. Besides the actual VIPs. Exactly. He also said he's like Tyler Farr's coming in. He's got a, he's got a, he's got a wheels up private jet from Miami. He goes, you boys get coach seats from New York.

You should live closer. I could fly private. Damn it. We might. Maybe we'll pay for our own flights somewhere closer. Just go to Charlotte and then get a private jet from there. You could PJ us from there. We should 100% do that.

I mean, if that's possible, we'll do it. All right, kids, we're in Atlanta. I'll pick it's up. That's fine. I'll take a 10-minute private jet. I don't care. I just want to try it. 100%.

exclusively so that we never know there could be a wheels-up hot flight from New York about the time you're coming somewhere south me and so me and Lurch had a big talk on the way to golf on Sunday about he was thinking about joining wheels up which obviously is one of kids sponsors and I was like you're a crazy person that's insane but apparently it's what a couple grand and then they have these hot flights all time which are essentially when a plane's going somewhere to pick someone up and isn't actually a scheduled flight you should pay 350 bucks and you have

eight seats on the flight on a private jet so literally they released these like hot flights like 24 to 48 hours before and then you just have the app and you book it like an uber so if you like have a free weekend and you just look at the flights my buddy was showing me this you literally just select one of the flights and then you have the whole plane for 350 bucks you have a seat for 350 no no no no no you have the plane really yeah you can take eight people with you for only for only one price yes well you got to pay a subscription fee for the So you pay like a couple grand for this lowest tier. I thought they sold the seat because Dave knows that to Nantucket all the time.

So there's different options to paste on like your subscription tier. So you can do the kids option where you get to just charter awesome flights. Or you could do like the peasant option, which would be me, which basically you're just kind of at the whim of what's available. But where we are in New York City, there's like Teterboro, there's Westchester, there's a bunch of private airports. So it's actually. We'd be going to like, we'd be going to like Tacoma just for fun. Yeah, and you look for a golf course in Tacoma. And that's the deal.

It would actually be unbelievable, though, because it's not that expensive. So, hey, little food for thought. I think you should do it. So, I mean, if you want to pick us up in Atlanta, though, we can definitely get tickets to Atlanta, and then we'll just get picked up in a jet by you. I'm flying private from Clemson next weekend. That's a great scene. I've only done it once or twice, but when you pull up on the tarmac right next to your plane,

it's like, it's unbelievable. It's kind of horrifying, though, when you hit bad weather. I mean, I'd rather be in a bigger plane at those balls. The history of rock and roll doesn't bode well for private jets. Kids, you ever have a bad experience on a PJ? Yeah, for sure. Dude, they're scary, man. We came through a really bad flight on a private jet, a really shitty private jet, propeller plane.

So I don't even know if it's a jet. They're not shitty. Those are the safest ones out there, bro. Really? Yeah. The King Air 350's never been responsible for one fatality. Whoa. Wow.

I used to get nervous when I see those fucking things spinning. I'm like, what year is this? No, because you can float down. Jets get to sweep down. Propellers, you can float. It's good to know. So one time, this wasn't like a PJ. This was a little bush plane.

We went on like this fishing, just crazy fishing trip. My dad's a crazy outdoorsman. It was like me, my dad, my brother. And we went on this fishing trip in Alaska, like remote Alaska. We did like a week long float down this river. We camped out. and we're fishing and then at the end the way we got out there was a little bush plane

literally landed on the fucking river dropped us up and then when it was picking us up the winds were so bad that as we were trying to take off the waves were hitting the propellers and we're stopping the plane so we couldn't go fast enough to take off but if we didn't get out that day there were storms coming in for like the next two days and we were like out of food

so the guy tried to take off like five times and on the fifth time he's like I think we got it and we're going up and fucking we cleared these trees by what must have been like 15 feet and my dad had given me like the front seat because he was like, no, the front seat's the cool one,

you're the young kid, you're gonna love it. I fucking, my head, I might have ripped the fucking handles off my goddamn chair I was gripping in so tight. It was intense. Yeah,

my grandfather, who's a Bush pilot. So I like, I grew up kind of like flying around lakes with him. It's actually one of my dreams to be like a Cessna pilot with a molder. If I could have a little,

like amphibious flow plane, it would be unbelievable. You can't fit in that cockpit. Dude, it's unbelievable. The little like puddle jumper, Cessna's are incredible. You're too big to be a pilot.

Imagine you were standing next to Kisner in that picture where he looked really tiny. I mean, you would look like an amp. Were those guys all fucking giants? What happened in that picture, Kizz? That was outrageous. Yeah, that's the baseball team from Athens, dude. That's just that's it.

Immediately, I think the whole golf world went on to Google and typed in Kevin Kisner height. I just gackled. Oh, I think I counted you, Frankie. I don't know about that. I'm 511. It says you're 5'10. What do you mean?

What was that noise? I'm not 511. I'm not short in any means. You never looked at me and said short. You may look at me and say skinny and frail and like a little baby back bitch. I caught myself. That's what I was thinking. I'm not short.

You got the best swing in the room, don't you? Feels good. I can't put for anything. So I shoot 90s and 92's now. You got to help me in my short. This hasn't seen my swing yet. I mean, when I put my swing up on the, social media feels good. I got a lot of praise, but

I don't put up any chips or putting because then that's when it gets bad. I think Frankie has the best swing in the room. I agree at that. It's definitely not rigs. No, we know that. Is this the five iron chirping starting? Oh, yeah. No, he's going to chirp. I get it. We have a big match coming up.

It's going to be embarrassing for you if you lose. Professional golfer loses to idiot blogger with horrific swing. Let's get back to this. Every day with J.T. He gets a text from rigs with a video of his swing. So Riggs is already sweating, wanting professional help. I texted JT one time, which is his, this is, this is, Kiz's swing coach, JT, not Justin Thomas.

Yeah. Did he give you any pointers? I can't trust him. I told him I think he's compromised. Are you allowing that to happen? Go to a different source. Actually, no, Kiz is allowing that. I think he is allowing it to happen.

Totally. Kis is taking his phone, because he's like, let me see that. Yeah. JT will like, you'll, like, you'll DM me and stuff and be like, yo, when you, you know, put it up on his Instagram. Like, yeah, I got to, should I help Rigsia out? Like, you think I'm fucking stupid? I'm not going into this situation.

You know, how bad it would be for him if his fucking guy that he actually coaches you lost to me. I get it. I'm not dumb. No, I should be the dog in this fight. You should be minus 150 with 14 clubs against me with one. Because you just won $843,000 finishing tied for ninth for the entire year, basically, in the world.

You're playing against me. Yeah, but with all 14 clubs. Yeah, but you're still so good with one. club. I'm going to win this thing, but I'm just saying. Your ability with that one club should outmatch his ability with any club in his bag. Okay. Well, we'll see. You're not going to miss hit a shot. I mean, I've given you three dates. The ball's all in your court, Rick. It's not my court. It's our business team because we're trying to sell the thing.

Everybody out there, please understand that I've given him my three dates that I can do this. He says he can do it. And we haven't set a date yet. I'll play tomorrow. It's our business team. That's like we need time to sell it, this, that. If they, once they sell it, we can do it. Are you saying that because you probably just get yelled at a million times a day, wins the five iron match? All day, every day. Was that a five iron kid? No, dumbass.

I had 240. You should respond with that next time. He probably does. I do most of the time. Kiz, do you think there's a, do you think at some point in the match you will out drive me? Yes. 100% yeah i think so too i mean we're a rocker way you topped you topped one on the other ones are we gonna play are we gonna play like the member tees or we find the back piece i'll have to look at the

scorecard it's all it's all in you you get to pick the game buddy i'm just here to beat you oh nice well we are playing your home fucking course we don't have to i just gave you an option and you took it you kept telling me like the course is so sick that i'm really not going to want to not play there. It is sick. And if you hurry up and do it, it's going to be real sick. If you wait until later in the year, then it's overseated and slower. So what do you think the odds are?

You think you're the clear favorite? No, I think you're minus 140. That's what you told me at breakfast. People can't believe it when I say that. So what are you then? Because there could be a situation that I can't get out of with a five iron. Right. That happens.

Why don't we play a matchplay or shit? I think we play match play. And then we're probably even money. Because I'm going to make a big number somewhere. I think I won't. But I'm going to make a lot of bars, too. You're going to make a lot of parts. I don't like that.

You're going to make a lot of bogeys. Yeah, I know. I can't wait to watch kids putt. Just lag putting. Pudding is the easiest part, man. I will two putt every putt. He did, man. At Liberty, he legit dropped three balls, man.

And they were like 20 footers and all three of them almost win. You're going to lose. I'm going to win. It's going to be tough. I mean, Frank, you're going to lose too? Yeah, I was going to get, I want to get Kisner's take on this because we talked about JT. I thought you were talking about Justin Thomas before. There's some rumors that we may be playing a lefty versus lefty match.

I obviously am a lefty. JT would be on his opposite hand. Do you think I'll win that match or JT will dust me? What's his game look like lefty? I've never seen him hit one. He's put out a couple of like teaser shots. Like he's hit one drive.

I think like a pro-am or something like that. Look great. I don't know what tournament was, but they were making everyone hit lefty off the tee and he drilled one 240 right down the middle. And then he put up that video with him, Ricky. It's just like to me, I feel like, I don't know, if he breaks him 90 or 95

opposite hand where he's never played a full round, to my knowledge, that would be one of the most incredible athletic feats I've ever seen. Yeah, well, he'll do that. Like, just that easily? Like, you could just flip around and, like, you could play the game lefty? It's just because being a professional guy. No, I am completely terrible left-handed. But I probably shoot 90.

He'll probably shoot 90. That's just crazy to me. I don't know. They just know the game. What I do is make bogey in every hole. It's not that hard. Hit it in the green, get it on the green and two-putt. Yeah, you're asking him to, like, to hit, like, 175-yard shot out of the rough, like, onto the green, like, left-e.

He doesn't have to beat you. He's got to lay up. Two-cutt. His short game will be a macular. That's the problem. He's going to score so well. He might slap it around. He's going to score well.

Yeah, his short game will be a macular. That's the problem. You guys think when we do stuff like that, we're going to try to hit all the shots. It's like when I have a five iron and it doesn't feel right, I'm going to like chip it backwards to 195. I get a five iron to 10 feet and tap it. I love it. I can't wait for that.

That would be incredible. You do that. Go backwards. I think you that. I think you should do that. If you do that and you make par on that, that will crush me. I'll be done for the back. Dude, if Kiz is 110 yards out and he hits it 75 yards backwards and then drills one to six feet and taps in for par.

That would be the most hilarious. hole in the history of the game of golf. Oh my God, that'd be so good. I'll be so good. Rattled at that. Rick's had not thought about that. You think about, I'll go from, I'll be like, the fucking idiots hit it backwards.

Then he just ropes one to fucking six feet. Oh, man, that's funny. That is so funny. Fuck. It's going to be fun. Fuck. What's that? All right, I've got to go do real life shit now.

You selling software, too? No. If you need me to, though, I'm a pretty good salesman. Oh. I'll bring you on a few calls. That'd be huge for you. We've got Kevin Kisner on the line here. You've got to find some golfers.

I'll push this deal across the finish line, but you know who I got? We got Kevin Kisner. He's just going to say a few closing words. Y'all want to talk to Brownie for a minute? He said, I hear this up. What's he up to? Yeah, what's Brownie up to? He loves golf.

He's hitting golf, God. He's not to start back. Are you on the range? No, I just drove over to the golf course, and he's sitting there. Kids, I got one more question. Are you going to make the President's Cup team? I don't know. Ask Tiger, he's your boy.

Do you communicate with him about it? No. You just wait. Yeah. They want me to play, and I'm not playing until Japan. That's what they told you. Go play and you'll make it. And you're like, no, I'm just going to wait until Japan.

Well, I mean, if you go play and win, it's pretty hard to not pick you, right? But I'm not playing for seven weeks. That's got to be a great feeling. going though. Yeah. That's why he's just drunk. My body's weird. A little R&R.

All right. Y'all have a great day. All right, kids. I'll tell you, I'll let you know to the field text. Yeah, keep us posted on the fill text. All right. Enjoy your day.

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Yeah, so Frankie, I mean, you kind of said it in the middle of it, but Frankie, we did have a soft nine. Frankie just rolled in and we were just talking to KISS. It's hilarious. Well, I wasn't going to tell him to wait. No, yeah, I know. That's good.

I like it. Kizz is always so late. Anytime we talk to Kee's. kids is so laid back. It's crazy to think that he's a professional golfer every time we talk to him, every time we see him. It is. It really is. And he does think about, I mean, even the way that he's talking about strategy, about beating us and, like, laughing at the fact that we always just think, like, you got to hit this shot. There's, like, one shot to hit. He's like, no, we'll just, like, figure out how to make scores. Yeah. It's not that cop. Our line of thinking is so, like, inside the

box. And he's like, no, I'll do all these things. Ours is just linear. We have, like, we're on a line, and that line will never veer off it. Like when he was like, I'll just hit it back to 195. I thought my brain was going to melt. I was like, yeah, he'll just do that because then he can just fucking stick one. Versus like trying to hack some 145 cut to like hit it in a green side bunker and then he's fucked. He's like, no, I just hit it to 195.

I know I'll hit that on the green. Yeah. He's so good from that distance that we can't even compute that. No. Once he gets in that range, he knows he's tight, which is crazy. That's my thing, too. He hits his home course. Like if it's a, say it's a short 330-yard hole, he's just going to,

like knock or like tap one off the tee get to his distance and then he to rip one out there yeah i love i love what he's like riggs looks nervous i will say there's a look of nervousness in his face just now certainly concerned after i will say the the conversations that he and i have had it's it's like he always pretty much throws out a consistent number the reason he came up with a five-hired thing is because he does this like he plays rounds of golf with just his five-hirt and he says like the threat and the goal is always to like try to break 80 and usually just like comes up a little bit short. So my, it's not really what he shoots. It's like I know what I have to shoot. I have to like do what I pretty much every round of golf that I try to do, which is like try to

shoot 39 on each side and like break 80. Yeah. And I'm not very successful at it all the time, but occasionally I am. Yeah. That's pretty much the only reason that that doesn't really terrify me what he's saying is because like it doesn't change your thing. Correct. It doesn't really change what I'm trying to do. Yeah. Now having said that, That's very easy to say, like, in theory. Oh, yeah, I'm just worried on what I'm doing. The problem, and he made this point very clear at Liberty when we were hanging out with them on the range, and he was just ripping golf balls right in front of our faces.

And Dewey was chirping about this, too, was that Kiz is like, no, I know so much about the golf swing, and I know so much about what's wrong with your golf swing, that I'm not, like, the chirping that I'm doing isn't going to be like, ha, ha, you're a bitch rigs. It's going to be like, hey, that little cocky you've got at the top of your, like, back swing is just making you hook everything. And then from that point, he's like, you're just done. Like, what are you going to do? Yeah, that's true. He's going to try and burrow deep inside your brain.

Correct. And he's way more capable, I think, of doing it. There's nothing more difficult than trying to ignore, like, a golf tip. I might wear a noise-canceling headphones. I like that idea. Just a huge noise-canceling headphones. Like your Drew Breeze's son at the Super Bowl celebration. You're going to put those on so it doesn't hurt his ears.

That's an old callback. It's an old. That's the one memory I have from the St. Super Bowl is his son wearing headphones, and that's what I thought of in that moment. I love that that's what you hung on to. It was years ago. The fact that you somehow deep down in that brain of ears came up with that right now is incredible. So many people have worn headphones since then. It's just...

Although I can't think of one. Like, what's another famous noise-canceling headphone photo? Yeah. That's Aaron Rogers. Yeah, that might be one of, you know, one of the biggest. Yeah. I think it's a really good callback. I'm just surprised that you came up with it.

Me too. I'm impressed. But I think it's a good idea for you during your match with KISS. To have that. Yeah. I agree. I think that's really smart. All right.

That was Kevin Kisner. We got the five-hour match coming up. We are going to play, I believe, Palmetto, which is his home course. It's one of those things where I think that gives him a big advantage. It's his home fucking course, obviously. However, we're golf nuts and the opportunity to play, really cool course like that. I don't think I can pass that.

No, you can't pass it up. Plus, like, regardless, he's just going to play the way he plays, no matter where he plays. And you might as well just play the one that's, like, closest to him. That's really sweet. We can just, like, hang in his place and see the whole scene and kick it with kids at his home place. So that's pretty much what we're doing. All right. Let's rip through a few other things.

We've got to talk about the most controversy from last show was the good, not good, pup. Oh, yeah. Between Lurch and myself. Maybe the biggest storyline of that was the video that we put up on Instagram and just how I look like a boyish tiny child. Something went on with your shoulders. I don't know what happened there. I look so miniature and lurch.

One guy comedy just said Lurch looks like Goliath. I'll take that. Dude, it's crazy. Even looking at you guys right now, it's not that noticeable of a difference. But in that video. Some of the pictures that I get in just, I just pop. I don't know what it is. It's depth of field.

Is it, though? It's depth of field. If you look, Riggs is further back because look at the little corner on the... Table right here. Thank you, Jake. It is bad optics. Horrible optics. But I don't know for who.

I just think it's really funny. Yeah. So it's really great optics because it's so funny. Sure. But that, when I saw that video pop-pa, I mean, every, you know, you check your fucking notification on Instagram, every single comment was just, I cannot believe how small rigs looks. I can't believe how gigantic lurch looks.

Yeah. Oh my God. No wonder you call them lurch. What a giant freak. That's just what people kept saying. Huge. What are? Frankie, you posted, or you commented on some picture.

What'd you say? Lurch is... It was that video. I just sort of lurch looks massive. Yeah. And it got just a ton of likes. I just stepped looking at it. It was like 300, 400, 400 legs.

It was like, what? Yeah. Speaking the truth. Speaking the truth. Looking big. Actually, one of my... The first picture I put on like Barstool Lurch, Instagram. It's me sitting next to Riggs in a movie theater and he looks like a child.

Like a four-year-old next to me. You're massive, man. I think you wear it well, though. I do. I appreciate that. Seeing you in person doesn't... Like, massive is different than... fat like he didn't like frankie wasn't like you're so fat no he's just like you're massive you just

got big pieces yeah just big pieces yeah wide and tall yeah that's a good way to say yeah it's better than i agree with that i mean it's better than the opposite yeah totally you know totally you want to be that little we're that little short man that's yelling at the bagel store right you don't want to be that guy no you're not my father oh my boss you're not my father oh god on dating sites you think that's okay it's funny I'm making a little video for my fantasy football league. I'm like the commissioner. It's like when I,

my friend. I hate that role. Yeah. So I make a video every year. I think Frankie loves it. I used to. I used to. I don't like like like logging on to my like final cut and editing a video anymore because

it's just work now. It also, it was a lot more enjoyable when you weren't busy. And I used to do up Raleys. Right. Now like this job that we're in. We're so busy. So busy.

And it's just like I don't want to fucking do this. Dude, I want to do it. It's just I can't do the things I used to do. I used to hold the draft. at Borrelli's nice little Italian restaurant East Meadow Long Island great great spot lobster ravioli really good you know my dad's every day go check them out but I used to have it in the back room on like a Tuesday night I'd turn off all the lights in the back room right and there'd be customers like what is going on back there and I'd set

all the tables up in a huge U and at the base of the U right I'd have the huge wall with the with the draft board on it and then all the lights would be off and I'd have a candle in front of everyone's paper in front of their seat and the candle would like light up a bud light like and the bud light would be in front of them so like when they walk into this room they just saw 12 bud lights and like it was almost like you were going to like an old school uh like round table meeting or something like uh back in like like a freemasons that's well you're walking in the freemasons skulls at harbors yes and like and then they'd sit down and then like they'd see the board and i'd have the board lit up it was and we were also like 17 and 18 it was like fun yeah like you know like it was

it was just a fun night And now we're 25 years old, like this many years later and stuff. And like, to me, like, I don't know. I just can't do it anymore. So now we just do it at a bar. And, you know, I'm struggling to make this video. But the only reason I bring that up is because I'm like, I'm like making funny videos for each person. And one of my friends is super short.

So I put his face on the bagel boss guy. Oh, my God. It's very funny. Yeah, it is. He's like, good move, Frank. Yeah, he's like, girls call me short on dating sites. And it's just my friend Sean's face. What a video, man.

It's really funny. Sculls are Yale. Yeah, I knew I got that wrong. I googled it. What'd you say? There's that movie. That's the movie I remember. Was that Paul Walker was in that movie?

Skulls. I never saw it. Gresh and peace. I'm a big Paul Walker, yeah, aren't you? I mean, he's a delight. RIP. He was a delight. RIP.

He's great. Paul Walker was great. He was. He's dead. Yeah, so I, you corrected me. I used the wrong, you know. Yeah.

Tense. Yeah. For his existence, he used the wrong tense. You never saw Skulls? Never saw it. It's a great movie. I heard it's good. I don't know if it's great.

I want to say I watched it. It's entertaining. I just can't remember any of it. That came out what? 15 years ago. Dude, wait. I think more. 20.

I think it was like 96. Yeah. Holy cow. Boy. That's a guess. I want to say I saw it. 1996. That's a long time ago.

That was a guess. I don't know. 96 is too early. I feel like Paul Walker wasn't even like an adult. I was three years old. I'm like a lot. That looks tense right now. He does.

He's trying to find a week. 2000. 2000. 2000. Why you weren't that far? Not far at all. Okay. Pretty good guys.

Anyways. Oh, and then the other thing is people are commenting, like, do you wear golf shoes to podcast rigs? I had come straight from the Barstool Classic. And I wore golf shoes to the classic. So it was a very long day. Are they the new G4 ones? Dude, I would wear those G4 ones all over the place. When we golfed.

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Mine's a dumpster fire. I'm sure because you're so tied to Dave. Yeah. And now, like, we're looking for the new Frankie or whatever. And it's just, oh, yeah. It's like, I drink Bud Light's hiring me every single match. Yep. That's awful.

It's crazy. I will say mine are much more golf related. That's nice. In general. That's nice. So occasionally, you know, if I got a little bit of free time or I'm just like, whatever, I'm walking to go get lunch sometimes I'll just scroll through the DMs and see what's going on.

I happen to catch this one where this guy tweeted at me a picture of or DM me a picture from Pebble of Versaul, Potterhead cover, and it just had a tag that was like Frankie Borrelli from like the date. And he said, I found this in the Pebble lost have found. I grabbed it.

I've had it on the bag for a couple rounds and it was the worst decision I've ever made because he's like, I got infected because this is real. Please send me Frankie's home address. so I can send this back to it. Like send this curse back to him. Finding your stuff is like walking onto an Indian burial ground. Dude,

it just messes with your mind. It really does. I have a couple things to say about this. Number one, that is my head cover. My caddy had it in his bib. And at the end of the round, we realized that he just never gave it back to me,

which was fine because, you know, we have a ton of head cover. So I was like, he kept, I kept getting messages like, hey, can we send this back?

No, no, you guys just like keep it there, whatever. Like, I don't, I got like eight messages about the head cover. I'm like,

I don't want it anymore. I wrote back, I could lose my number. I don't think you guys get it. I can walk upstairs. There's 150 head covers. I think I wrote to like the Pebble Beach, like main account like lose my number. Like stop messaging me about this and like don't ever contact me again. You have a great golf course and like one of the best public tracks in the world.

But don't my name. Keep my name off your list. Don't ever message me again because I don't want to do this communication anymore. Kind of nice. You just leave a piece of yourself there too. Yeah. I thought that was cool. But this kid like see like so I have two ways of thinking about it.

One, I didn't want the cover back. But two, this kid just saw my head. cover and just took it which is hilarious like it's got the name on it he's like fuck frankie i'm just going to take this thing he might have done a time since thing been like well they're at pebble true three months very true i'm just good i wanted him to have it because look what happened it's very true the curse one dude he i know that he put that on his putter and like he sculled skulls sculled one to the back of the green and then like four putt and he's like what is happening right now frankie has gone from being embarrassed about people chirping him being like don't touch me with

the frankie butternives hands to try and to weaponize it. Yeah. Where when we were out in Chicago, every cart that drove by, he would try and chase it down and hit their hands. Dude, as they were, no,

as they were flying out. That's amazing. So everyone was at the Barsoe classic and they're all lined up. And they're like, all right, let's go. Like,

shotgun started everyone, head out to your holes. And I was, like, saying, I was standing by the carts like saying, all right, guys, go get them.

And each person that drove by I just touched their wedge in their cart. And some guys were like, no! Like, they had no way to get it back. They were already driving. It was funny.

Frankie has turned to the dark side with his butter eyes. That's that guy. I said, dread from it, run it, destiny still arrives. Yep. Yep. You know, it's scarier than Thanos. It's also, it reminds me of the, what are they? Like the stone people in Game of Thrones.

Yeah, just don't let them touch. They touch you. Yeah. You're dead. Yep. That is what it's like. You're going to turn to them. That's exactly what it's like.

My putting is by far worse than my chipping right now. Just because we're so far into the season, I've played a decent amount of golf. Like the chipping I can get by, I'm sculling the fuck. out of them, but I'm still hitting it onto the green. I'm not doing what I used, like, in the beginning, you can plan for it. I can plan for it now. And, like, I'm, like, doing different types of chess. My putting is so outrageously bad that people, like, can't believe how bad my puts are.

Remember what I said? Yeah, he had a putt at Cherry Valley that went so far past the hole that he said, when all is said and done done. And the game of golf, people are done playing. We will look back, and that will be the worst put in the history of golf. And then later in that round, I hit one past the hole further than that put. So I stopped, and I told the whole fours, I said, remember the that other put that we said was going to be.

Now this one when the son. I'm out done myself. Dude, it's crazy. You have the putting hips? I just like, I don't know. You know what I'm going to blame it on? You're pretty good on short putt. You know what I'm going to fucking blame it on?

Is that we got this putter when we did like the title of this thing. And like I just used it because I thought it was cool. Like I'm just going to use this putter. And like I've been using it. I don't like it. I don't like the way it feels. I don't like the way it looks. I don't like the way I bring it back.

You are preaching to the choir. Dude, I have a regular new port that I've had since high. school and I put with it okay I knock in short putts I can lag them I have this new Newport three whatever the fuck it's called it's got like it's basically the blade put where the where the it's like an L and I just don't like it like it's a Phil Mickelson type putter and like I'm not good at that I don't do my hands like that I'm not so I ain't like that bro you know what I mean like I don't fuck around with this putter so what happened was we did the whole fitting right we got we got we got our that got street dude we got our mind of you will Farrell yeah Gator

These bitches better be wearing Jimmy's. Better be wearing jimmies. It's one of the best lines of all time. I got darkness inside of me. He wants some walking around. He wants some walking around money. My darkness needs to get out. It wants some walking around money.

That's how I feel about this goddamn Newport 3. God. What happened was we got fitted with Tyler's for the drivers, for our woods, for our irons, for our wedges. And they said, hey, we don't have time to do the whole potter fitting. We don't have all the stuff here. So why don't you guys just pick one out and we'll send them to you? We're like, sweet. That's great.

So we just picked one out basically from online or the selection that they had there, just putted for like eight seconds and just picked them. Now, when you get a cool Scotty Cameron that you just picked out, they send to you from free, you're like, this is awesome. I have since gone back to my ping answer to, which is the greatest putter ever made in my opinion. I switched back to it a couple months ago. I've been putting lights out ever since.

I got to, I mean, I like the feel of Scotty Cameron. That's why I had a regular. their newport original and i'm just going to go back to that i this one's two inches shorter they just sent me one from the factory i didn't even get a chance to lengthen it i haven't had time to go and like get it lengthen and put the right grip on and shit i've just been putting with the putter i do not like and it's ruined my golf game now it might sound like we're bitching about having brand new yeah i know whatever the fuck it sounds like the point is don't just use something because it's cool correct use something because it's it's right for you and better and all that so i'm on the same

boat i switch back i got rid of my putter um the last thing i'll say on the putt gate was that yes obviously lurch by the technical rules of golf got screwed no doubt about that he should have just won that hole we gave him a put you can't untake a putt the the biggest contextual thing that i will say that a lot of people i don't think are realizing was that we were guests our host was taking care of us just taking care of the whole day we're having a couple drinks it was a casual round for happy hour drinks afterwards that was what was at stake it wasn't like a really intense Rider Cup match. So when the host who is like taking care of you is presented with what happened on the

next tee and is like, all right, like, how about we just roll that stroke over? Lurch definitely didn't feel like I'm going to make a really hard stand right here against this guy who hosted us at this sick course and is like taking care of us for the day. And me as his partner wasn't jumping to overrule him. So that is why I think it probably was allowed to happen versus like this ruthless match where like if it was the Skokie challenges I've described or the golf weekend classic which Ben and I, Lurch and I play in together where the matches like mean a lot that you chirp about for the next year straight, I think there would have been a very strong stand made there.

Totally. Yeah. And there, I mean, there was a lot of factors that play that, the Caddy B and the Fairway. Right, with the putters. I mean, I will say the thing that really sent me over the top was just the putt was the put that wasn't given. Yes. Because after everything that ensued, yeah, me being the good guy saying, oh, no, that's fine.

Keep it going. Whatever. I'll just take, you know, we'll play that hole as even. No big deal. The next hole was criminal. The next hole was criminal. That's where I just, I boiled over the top and was yelling scumbags as I walked off the green. He was.

He was yelling scumbags out of. Yeah. You go, you guys are scumbags. Andrew, we're playing, it was my playing partner. We're playing with a bunch of scumback. And so that's what did me in. But yeah, there was a bunch of facts to play. That's fair.

Honestly, the putt taken back. It was like all in good faith. Whatever. It doesn't really matter. I will say. I think looking back, the reason that that putt wasn't given was because he was inside of me for Bertie. So I had like a six or seven footer for par, made it.

Your partner was inside of me for Bertie. I missed it. And so when it happens like that and he like has a good look for Bertie to win the hole and blows it by, I think our instinct was like, oh shit. That's what you get for like rammy and trying to make a birdie in real time. I think had he, like, hit a pretty good lag put to, like, a couple feet, we would have been like, yeah, that's good. It was three, three and a half feet. I mean, now it was a tough putt, but I'm, my problem is that everything just ensued on the last hole.

Like, you just pretty much took away a stroke, took away a whole win. Yeah. And, like, then you're just like, no, no, no, put that out. That might have been when we thought, like, if he misses this, it's going to be a dagger for them. This is just going to be a dagger. the match is over. Right. I mean, I should have just called you guys out for cheating and then just walked off the course.

At that point, it was all square. No, I know. I mean, it shouldn't have been, but yeah. So anyways, that was that. You got a big Twitter poll win. Huge Twitter poll win. There's a loaded question. Thank you so much for bringing that up.

What was it at? 83. Holy shit. I checked this morning. 8317. Wow. That's big after your Bruce Willis debacle. That's way higher than what I said.

That's why I went to it. It also wasn't. It wasn't. in any way indicative of the question that we were asking. Because if you look at the show at the end of the clip, I literally said out loud, like there's no doubt Lurch got screwed. Can't even let him have this one, can you? All his Twitter poll said was, did I get screwed?

So he basically just asked something that we confirmed on the show. Still won the poll. Still on the poll. This wasn't a winner or loss. It was just confirmed. That's a win. That's a big. That's a big.

That's a big. That's a win. That's a win. You could have lost it. Like, it could have been like, no, you didn't get screwed. He would have taken that as a victory. He would have taken that as a victory. He was getting a lot of team Lurch.

team me pretty excited about that. Imagine it was 83% the other way. You would have been like regardless of that way. Well, there's no, it could, well, my point being the way that it was phrased that could have never ever been like that. All it said was like, did Lurch get screwed from Lurch's account? That's just a huge W, my man. Huge. Big time.

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I will say a couple takes. First of all, I was stunned at how much I actually enjoyed the tennis aspect of it. Right? Like when you go to something, when you go to like, when you go to a baseball game, I would say usually like the most boring part of it is the actual baseball. A lot of it's like you're being outside. They've got like the walk up music and it's kind of like this summery fun. You're having a couple cocktails or a couple beers you're enjoying it.

A lot of times it's not necessarily about the actual thing that you're observing. I thought it was going to be like that at tennis. The tennis was riveting. Watching these guys up close, how hard they hit their. Obviously, you know they serve it like 120, 1.30, 140. You know that. How hard they hit their fucking forehands and back hands back at each other? running full speed across court and then rip one to like the far corner was one of the most stunning athletic feats I've ever seen

seen up close that's the one thing that you don't see on TV I will say when you go to a match you realize how hard these guys are just ripping four hands and back hands from the baseline it's it's wildly impressive how hard they hit the ball they would hit one that you would think like oh that's that's the points over and then because like there's no way that guy can get to that how only would the guy get to it he would run full speed and then rip one harder back to like a better and then they would go seven, seven, like, exchanges after that. Just keep hitting it that hard. I was like, how the fuck are they doing this? So the tennis was very cool. And then the other thing is I love the chair umpires. They are so sassy.

The one at Arthur Ashe Stadium, which is like center court there, obviously, which is a massive stadium. I cannot believe it's that big for one tournament a year for tennis. It's crazy town. She was just legit, like, sassy as fuck. So every, it's like every two games, they change. They switch sides. And when they switch sides, that's when they let you like in a hockey game when there's a whistle. They let everybody come in and fill into the seats.

But it's only, it's a short thing. It's like 30 seconds or 45 seconds. So after like 30 seconds, the players stand above the side. The guy that's serving, you know, he's bouncing the ball. But he's not going yet because everybody's walking. It's distracting. Like if you're trying to hit a golf shot with fucking people moving and talking to everybody, he can't do that.

Quiet, please, all that stuff. So the chair upires like, the players are now ready. Please take a seat. And then like three seconds later, she goes, any seat, any seat will do. And then like three seconds after that, she just goes, anytime now any time now please take a seat

and just was like roasting people up and then like Nadal we're watching Rafa Nadal against Milman we get killed in that bet but like Nadal then would like just stare at like

the patrons walking in that were like still standing and like jostling about he would just stare and like kind of give like a hey let's go and he was like 20 feet away from these people tennis feels very sassy to me

it was so sassy there's a lot of sass in there I like that word it was the sassiest sporting of it ever been to you know like everything else pretty relaxed and casual on that tennis it felt like everyone that was involved with the actual tennis match was sassy towards everyone that wasn't it's almost more stereotypically golf than golf is yes correct it was you know very much so very much like everyone that thinks of like going to a golf mat going to like a golf tournament

or even playing the game of golf like if they don't know and they're just stereotyping it like that's what they think happens out there but essentially it's happening at arthur asht stadium it felt like time they just looked like everyone that was involved with the actual tennis was looking at me the whole time like excuse me sir what are you doing here right just the whole time right and i was like you know i'm just like i'm just having a drink and watching tennis trent and i when we went to cherry valley we got off the train and in garden city and there was this tennis court going on to the right of the train and there was just like there was like 60 old men all playing the game of tennis and all in the same outfit white t-shirt white college shirt white shorts white high socks that's a lot

and white, white sneakers. And it just looked like bizarre. Like I didn't know what was going on in there. It was just like, that was just a ton of sass. A ton of like if we walked up in there, they'd be like, like all the balls would slowly stop bouncing. They'd just look at me of Trent. Like, like look at, you guys are lost.

Yes. Big time. I will say, I think the funnest thing to do with the U.S. Open, especially in the early stages to see like the best matches. And we did this is, so we went to Arthur Ash, we watched Adolfers Milman. And actually, Millman had a great win last year. He's like, he's a good player. Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy.

He'd be fed last year. And then he got killed by Nadal. Killed. So we bet on this guy because I wanted to do, you know, you got to bet. Yeah, I'm going to tennis for the first time. I want to gamble. So I bet on him. We're like, oh, over under's three and a half sets.

Fucking, we'll bet on Millman. Basically, we'll bet over three and a half sets. So that if he wins one set, we'll just root for this guy. I hate Nadal because Nadal last year withdrew when he was down two sets to love against Del Potro. I bet on Del Potro. It turns out you have to play three sets in order to, for the beach. bet to count.

So my bet, even though it was so over and he was going to win, was just washed. That's crazy to me. Isn't that nuts? Can't that be, can't like Nadal, like, know that, like, people. What, there's money on him? Yeah. And then he just withdrawers. Yeah.

I will know. What if he was, what if he was just withdrawing because he was a pussy? I mean, what if he was that injured, he would have withdrawn before the match? He was two sets down and then he chose to withdraw. I'm saying that could be manipulated if he put it to. He could bet. What if he bet $10 million on himself and is like, oh, I'm down two sets. I'm just going to quit.

Exactly. Totally. That's what I mean. Could be out there. I feel like somebody would flag that at the casino. 100%. 100%. What if he did it across a bunch of different casinos?

Correct. All right. But regardless, I hate Nadal. So we bet on this Millman guy because of my emotional hate for Nadat. I don't hate him. I just am upset about that. Bet on this Millman guy and he just got trouts. It sucked.

It was never even close. But then I think going back to my point, I think the best thing to do is go to the outside courts. We watched a great match, a five-setter between. You want to pronounce those names that we saw the last thing? Oh, Chequinato. Yep. And then the other guy. The Italian guy.

Italian guy Chequenado. And then the other guy was Laxaninan. Yep. Something like that. Laxinen and something like that. But I think that's the best thing to do at early round matches. Dude, it felt like we were at... It felt like we were up at the park.

No, it felt like we were up at the park. Like you just fucking stumbled upon like Lurchin's friend Johnny playing a match. Except it was the U.S. Open. Yeah. And they were elite two players. This guy Chequenado, his box, right? Like, you know, when you watch, when you watch at the big stadiums at Wimbledon and all that, they always cut to like Djokovic's box,

which is his squad, right? Like his coach, his wife's there, his dad's there. Like, they're all going nuts and like communicating in between shots, even though they're technically not allowed to. Well, with this like side court, there's only so many people watching there. So the box is like a third of the crowd, basically. And it was like his, it had to have been his wife or girlfriend or something, this checkin auto guy.

And they, after every shot, her voice was like piercing. And she would yell something in Italian. And we just were standing there with like Google Translate trying to figure out what she was saying. and it was like you could just the emotion was so raw because they were right there and every time he would look back to the right and they were when he would serve on their side the boxes side he was like five feet away from them just like looking back being like famos like stuff like it was it was great he ended up losing everybody were rooted for lost oh damn so check an auto i love checking out of that guy's ever back in it i'm gonna be a i'm

gonna be a big fan forever love that guy uh and then we hung out with our boy we got tickets It's actually from our boy Dylan, who was our caddy at Cabot last year, Cabot Links. We're going back there in two weeks. Two and a half weeks we're going back to Cabot. And Dylan's going to be caddying for us there. So he actually happened to be in New York. He kind of cool thing. He's a huge sports fan.

And he was like, I wanted to actually see Fed play, like before he retires because he's going to go down as the greatest of all times. So my parents and I drove down from Nova Scotia, like 17 hours. They stopped in Boston and they came to US open for a couple days to watch Fed, to watch Nadal and all that. He happened to be there. got us a couple tickets. So we got a bunch of beers with her boy Dylan. Nice. We'll see him at Cabot.

And it just kind of got me thinking about what we talked about in radio a little bit yesterday, where Dave Port and I was like, I think the dumbest thing in the world is like meeting new people. And he's like, I feel like golf folks love that. We do love that. And it's true. In golf, there's this weird thing where you have like this bond with people who have the same interest in you with you as you. And that is in golf. And Lurch and I were actually talking how crazy it's going to be.

We were like smiling at our desk texting each other about it last week. About like when we roll into Inverness, Nova Scotia, Canada in two weeks, which is fucking three and a half hour drive north of Halifax in Canada. Bumfuck. We're going to like hop out of the van after that two and a half hour, three and a half hour drive. And there's going to be like five people standing there. We're going to give like huge hugs to it. It's so good to see you again and all that.

And that's nuts. And then we also got like to give a shout out like our girl Lindsay from Chambers Bay. Yeah. Her mom sent us this incredible note, two-sided note, just about what their experience has been like around Chambers ever since we came out there and people, she's the one that was like, so I got to ask you, Gold Mountain, all that.

Well, that was like the whole Gold Mountain. Home course. Oh, yeah. It's got to be Gold Mountain. It's got to be Gold Mountain. Every single time. She asks us 10 times, maybe 15. In a row.

Halfway through the night, she goes, I got to ask you guys, is it home course, Aldera or Gold Mountain? I'm like, you know what? It's got to be gold mountain. And then she'd go to Taves and be like, she'd like, Devon, Gold Mountain. And then we're just like, there's no way. And then we saw her walking back to us. We're like, there's no way she's going to ask us.

There's no way. There's no way. And then she did it. Yeah. So she sent us an amazing note, an incredibly nice note. And then she sent us T-shirts that she made up. And it just says, it's got to be Gold Mountain. It's got to be gold mountain.

That's a great day. That's a great, too. So you see us rocking those around. But same point to that story. of Lindsay like that crew, our caddies, Moses out there. Like if we, Moses is one of the coolest guys ever met. Ever.

He is a cool motherfucking cat. Yeah. He is Maui from fucking, uh, Juana. Yes. Crazy. He is Maui from Alana. And his name is Moses.

So it's not far off. He's just like this big, beautiful man. He has like a gorgeous girl with him. She was cool and shit. He was cool as shit. And it's the same type of thing where it's like, if in a year like me and Frankie happened to find ourselves in like Tacoma,

Washington, and we could go to like a bar in Tacoma near Chambers Bay and we'll see like six people in there that we had an epic night with that will like give hugs to him. It's so good to see you guys again. And that's golf and I don't want to get all sentimental and whatnot, but it's a crazy thing to think about. Anyways, we got a bunch of beers last night with our boy Dylan from Cabot.

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like learning that clearly there was something imperfect going on. But I don't think we didn't know that. Like clearly you watched him play and it like he wasn't perfectly healthy. So my spin zone is next time he plays, he will be healthier and better than the last time he saw him. He also spins. The other spin zone you can say too is that like he's still working his body to the point where he wants to keep playing competitive golf, right?

Like he, at some point, Tiger Woods is going to stop having surgeries and he's going to be like, I'm done. But right now he's there getting, he's underneath the knife. He's timing it like. As soon as the golf season ends. Correct. I'm going under. I'm having my knee cleaned out so that in the future I'm ready to rock.

Correct. That's a great sign. That is a good sign. Great sign. What's his obligation to tell us that he gets these things done? If I was him, I wouldn't tell anybody. He could have this done. If he hadn't announced it, if he hadn't tweeted out that I'm getting this done,

no one would have known. His life is so private. He gets everything done at his house. He probably could have this done at his house. And then he just doesn't tell anybody. I think it's almost like, not an excuse, but he's letting people know that he was going through something. something and that's why he missed cuts and he didn't really perform well in the second half of the

season. That's why he wasn't in the tour championship the whole thing. I think that I think that's a little bit. I think Tiger's the most competitive guy in the world and he wants to let you know why he didn't win. You don't think a part of it is that, you know, now with everything that he's been through, that transparency is just better than not. I think that for sure, but I also think that a main part of it's like, no, no, I could barely walk on my leg. Definitely. Definitely. I think that's why you fuckers beat me. Just wait until I get this thing cleaned out. And I like protecting that mindset is smart. But I also think like in today's day and age, I don't agree necessarily Trent Daddy that like it would just never get out.

I mean, you know, like his surge, you know, maybe like the anesthetics that they had to send in would be like tag Tiger Woods and somebody in a back room would see it and be like, Tiger Woods had a fucking surgery. And like, so rather than risk that and then have to answer questions of like,

why didn't tell anybody you had surgery, just be like, I had like quick knee surgery. Yeah, it looks worse if it comes out six months from now. People like, did you guys know that tiger had knee surgery? Right.

And he's like, oh shit. Then it's like what deal with that? Then it's like, What's he trying to hide? That must have been pretty serious. Is he, like, worried he's going to lose sponsorship dollars? So I...

That's fair. I think a lot of that would factor in, but I don't know, you know? Yeah, and it probably would get out. I don't know. Yeah, because I'm envisioning a world where he can just get it done. Nobody knows anything. And then we don't have to deal with this coming up as a new story again. And all the tagger hayes being like, oh, his knee sucks.

But where at a different point now? He won the Masters. So we're good. Look, he's the boss man. I'm not going to say that he had a thought process at one point where, where like this will never get out. So, you know, he's the boss man. Yeah.

He chooses how to do things. He's the goat. He's the best. Good for him. Big fan of him. This article does say, Wood's doctor said that he expected the reigning master's champion to make a, quote, full recovery and that there were no additional problems.

Woods said that he has resumed walking and can, which I don't like to hear that, and can continue practicing in a couple weeks. Tiger Woods has resumed doing the thing people do every day all around the world. Frankie said yesterday, like when I read the quote, Tiger Woods is now walking again. That's just like, oh, whoa. I'd rather that be Tiger Woods is running like 100 meter dashes in his backyard. Tiger Woods is now flying just through the sky. He, you know, he found the way to fly.

I audibly gasped when I wrote like, Tiger Woods. Like, Tiger Woods is now walking. I took my headphones off. I'm like, what happened to Tiger Woods? Of course he's fucking walking. Why wouldn't he be walking? Because there was, for the longest time, he's like, I can't walk. I can't play with my kids.

For effort. When I get in a car, I have to be fully reclined for this. So I never like to hear that he's just resumed. zoomed walking, but it seems like everything is fun. Don't talk about that shit. I'm sorry. What the fuck's wrong with you? I'm just saying.

And now I can continue practicing in a couple of weeks. He said that he is still on track to play the PGA Tour Z-Zo-Z championship in October over in Japan. Good. Zosososos. What? Zos. Z-O-Z. Yeah.

Z-O-Z-O. Okay. Z-O-Z. I thought, like, Chinese, I thought that the X had a Z sound. This is Japan. Japan. Gotcha. Yeah.

I thought he was doing the whole Asia swing. I didn't know where he was starting. So they do Japan, South Korea, and China. Gotcha. I think the HSBC is the WGC in China. And I think, I mean, they keep kind of tweaking it and expanding it and whatnot, but I do believe there's three events this year. One's in Japan.

This is the one that's in Japan. Then he's also doing like the event with, I think, like Hadeki, Rory and Jason Day maybe. Do you ever see the videos when like massive superstars go over there to China? And like when Kobe went over there? You ever see that video where he walks off the fucking boss or plane? It's like the bebes when he goes anywhere here. It's more, I think.

I think it's like when Jesus was giving his first sermon and people are running like to the hills. Like it's crazy, man. They go nuts over there. Because like you got to think that they just see so many advertisements about them. Like all these huge Nike things in the middle of Tokyo and stuff like, oh, that's Kobe Bryant. And then he's like coming there. They would never think that he'd like, they'd see that person. Like I don't even know how to compare that to anything here.

I just remember the first guy I remember was like Stefan Marbury went over there. And he was looked at like a god over there. He did the shoes and everything. Starberries? Yes, dude. There's a Starberry store. Was he the first? Was he like one of the first guys to really promote his brand over there or no? That's the first I remember.

But that was insane. I don't know. He would get an outrageous amount of love when he went over there. We're talking about Stefan Marbury. Oh, yeah. That's right. We are. Yeah.

He has a play after him. What? They have a play about his life. Yeah, they do over there. That's a wild play, I bet. That thing takes some twists and turns, I bet. He has a statue? Yeah.

He has one of the most unique heads ever. He's got a tattoo on it now. Does he? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's been there for a while. Oh, yeah, he does. When's the last time you saw a picture of Stefan Marbury? Boy, I can't even tell.

Does he play in those big three tournaments? I feel like maybe I saw him there. I would say no to that. The last time I saw him was that video he was like breaking down that went across the web. Oh, I don't remember. I think let's get to a new topic. Stefan Marbury. Did not think we'd be talking about him on the spot.

Boy, oh, boy. From the gallery, Fordplay at barstoolsports.com. That's who you email. Let's rip through a couple of these rangefinders. So we talked about the idea of the theory of speeding up play on the PGA tour by just allowing them to use rangefinders, which they use pretty much every time that they're playing golf outside of on the PGA tour

in competitive rounds. When you or I or anybody plays golf, we use a rangefinder. We use Pindigoff, which is just 175 bucks. Nice little plug there. Go get yourself one. Code 4 play. one guy commented in and said one issue, and I guess he said they did this on the corn fairy tour for a couple events, he said one issue was it's completely useless until the pin is put in, your range finder. So he said it would slow down play actually because they couldn't really begin their process of like going through the whole deal until the pin was in.

Whereas if you walk up to your ball in the fairway, those guys are finishing up on the green in front of you. Your guy gets your yard. You throw grass up in the air. You pick the club and then the second they put the pin and you're ready to. fire versus if you have to if you have to laser the thing and do it now my counter to that would be well when the pin's not injured do the old method correct just walk it off all also laser it like right before you hit to confirm but just do the old method right that's what was quicker then and then the other part could be like all right so if if you're doing the yardage without the pin in without a range

finder you're doing certain things like oh let's let's let's look at the book let's see what it is from the edge let's see what it is from like the sprinkler head on the right or whatever, why don't you just, like, shoot the guy who's standing on the green, all that? You could still do it with a range finder, right? Like, we've, we all, like, shoot the greens when there's someone on the green. And, like, I shoot, like, the back of the guy's head or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess their, you know, their point would be like, they're so precise that if that guy

with the back of the hat, you don't know if he's in front of the hole behind the hole, 10 yards away, four yards away, you don't know. So, like, I don't know when the pins out in anyway, because you don't know where the pit in the hole is, right? No, they know. Couldn't me. They have sheets. Their sheets all say it's like four off the middle of the green.

So if the sprinkler heads to the middle of the green, they know exactly where it is. But my point is just do that method when the pins in. Or the pins not in. So that would be my answer to that. Nick has a really good one that I've, I don't know if we've debated something similar or not. I know I've had this conversation with my friends many times. But he basically said, I've been thinking a lot lately about the advantage the guys have on tour when it comes to their support staff. Personal trainers, a caddy, swing coaches, et cetera, how the team around them impacts and helps their game.

This led me to wonder how much money would it take me or any other weekend hacker to become a scratch golfer? I have to imagine with the right amount of professional support, enough hard work that this is possible, but interested to hear what your guys takes on this are. So essentially, how much money would you need to be able to provide for you a life and a support system where you can become a scratch golfer? I don't know, man. What is like, what does it cost to have a professional golfer with you every single day? Yeah, I don't know what all these things that he lists. I don't know what those things cost.

Yeah, okay. So what do you think you would need and do you think it's possible? Do you possess the physical skill and talent to become a scratch golf? Do you have enough skill to do it? If you believe that you can, now what's that number? I believe that I can. Because I know guys that are scratch golfers, and I don't know that I could ever become as good as they are at golf. I just don't know that I have it.

Maybe 10 years ago I thought I could because I'm like, oh, I'm just getting into golf. Now that I've been through it for like 10 or 12 years and taking golf very seriously, and like just learned how hard it is to like just be that good at golf and score like and have all the different shots right because I think a lot of people's theory is like and I've heard a lot of people have talked about this about like LeBron James what if LeBron James just from day one or not even from day one well if Bron James 10 years ago peak of his like athletic ability said I'm going to use all my money and all my time and resources to become the best golfer I could possibly be like would LeBron James be on the PJ tour be one of the best players

the world because like the theory is oh you can just ingrain the muscle memory for perfect swing mechanics a really good swing mechanics and just repeat that and then you're just really good at call but my counter to that is like all the different shots and the touch like the fact that i always am just stunned when these guys get in a green side bunker and every green side every green side bunker shot is different it'll be 17 yards it'll be 22 yards downhill lie uphill eye uphill eye you got to fly one to the pin and spin it you got a chunk and run one like they hit it to like within six or seven feet every fucking time. And that is beyond.

Wouldn't you learn that shot? But that's not a shot. That's like you have to get in and use a bit of like imagination and just natural touch and ability and skill on every single time. Judging how it's going to come like out of the rough. Like all of that stuff factors into like you being able to shoot consistent like scores that are around even par every fucking time. Yeah.

I just think there's like a significant barrier that's that like a lot of the population just could never get past. I do think that there's a reason why a lot of kids that grow up playing country club golf and that they have access to all these short ranges and grass ranges their entire lives are just better golfers than most people because they practice more. They had better stuff. That doesn't mean that they were just born with the ability to hit a wedge shot more than me. It's just that they know how to hit it because they've practiced it more.

Their brain isn't more imaginative. It's just they know how to hit the shot. If I grew up doing that instead of playing baseball my entire upbringing and going to all these camps and all this stuff and just constantly playing golf, Like I literally had this scenario with my buddy. Like I have a friend, like we always said, this kid on my high school golf team, it's a kid Tim, he's a pro now. He's out in Long Island, really good golfer, incredible guy.

He played golf our entire childhood. He went to the first T program and that's all he did. He was going to golf camps and we were going to baseball camps. And then when we all met in high school golf, we're like, why is Tim fucking shooting 34s and 33s and we're not? Why is he incredible? It's like he's played his whole life. You know what I mean?

It has nothing to do with athletic difference. You can't say it has nothing to do. A difference is I mean. Like my other friend's just incredibly athletic, but he didn't play any golf leading up to that point. So like, there's... So how much time and how much investment would you need? Well, there's no doubt. I don't know that we can answer that.

But there's no doubt in my mind that, like, playing it from a young age and all that helps. Absolutely. But also, like, not everyone who grows up at a country club is just like a D1 college golfer. Like a lot of them suck or a lot of them like can never get past being like a four or five handicap. Yeah. Even though they have a lot of it. So, like, I'm not even saying just general athleticism is what it takes. I'm saying, like, there's a certain, like, skill set, very specific to golf that is required, I think, to get beyond, like, a certain level.

And I think that's, like, low single digits. There's just, that's kind of where that barrier enters. I think a lot of people on the surf, like, people who played high school sports at a decent level with the right resources or whatnot can become, like, a mid-single digit handicap. I think it could become like a five to like an eight or nine handicap. I think like a lot of people could become that. We have the shot like there's holes where I play a hole perfectly, like one hole out of an 18, right? I'll hit a perfect drive. I'll hit the ball to within eight feet and I'll knock in the birdie putt.

And like to me, like if I have that muscle memory or I know how to play the game, I know I have the ability to get down from the T into the hole, I have the swing. I know I have it. I just can't do it every single hole. I don't have the consistency. my brain doesn't know a difference between one swing and the other because I don't play enough. So I feel like if I did that every single day and that was all I was dedicated to, like I would learn have consistency, just like you do with anything.

I think if I played a full year and had training, I'd become a scratch golfer. I don't think so. I do. I don't think so. Well, that's a difference. That's what we're doing. We're just disagree. I think if I had, if I could play every day as much as I wanted for a year and had training whenever I kind of wanted,

I could become a scratch golfer. Yeah, and my brain, I just know that that's not true. For you or for me? For you? Well, I mean, I beat you the last four times out. I'm not that good. I'm like a six right now. I'm just saying.

I don't think that's, I'm just, that's what we're doing. We're debating it. I'm just a huge golf is just a bull. I think, yeah, that's my thing. I'm closer to lurch than I am rigs. Like in my way of thinking. I just, it's muscle memory. It's all about, like, just.

And I think it's way more. that that's my that's but he knows like the touch stuff he knows he has imagination on what you have to do for certain things like certain shots have you seen him putt but he would be practicing putting every single day they were a professional with a professional fucking yeah i mean i'm i i don't think it's how rangers like uh michael breed like showed him one little thing on putting and he like drained putts all day at betpaged black like it's yeah and sense has become horrible like i think that there's with him every single day but i just don't think yeah i guess i don't buy into i just don't think that like because you're a good athlete you can just

become a scratch golfer. I think a scratch golfer is so unbelievably good at golf and so few percentage people on this planet are that good that there's a barrier. And I just think like you have to have a certain innate ability. You have to just, there's certain people that you just watch swing that like they just peer the golf ball. And that's just how they swing. They're touching all that is just magnificent. And that certain level is required to get below like a three or four handicap consistently and stay there and then get even below that and be like. like a scratch to me, I think is so incredibly difficult and requires more than just like, you know, kind of like biomechanically ingraining muscle memory and then you're good to go.

Like I just think it's a lot deeper that. I think the mental approach, all of that. Like that's where the consistency comes from is like the mental approach. I've seen like lurch go out and shoot 300 par on nine whole stretch before. And it's like, oh, why isn't he just that good now? Like forever. Well, I think there's so much more to it of like of timing, of. mental approach of like being able to grind for four and a half, five hours every single

time that you play to post scores that consistently enough would get you to a zero handicap. I just think that's incredibly difficult to do. Yeah. I just one counterpoint of that is that when he's sitting in a cubicle or an office for eight of the days before he's shooting that three under and then maybe on the back he shoots like a 52. That's just if he was playing golf those eight days with a professional golfer, those blowups and those not consensus, you wouldn't see that as much.

And he may end up shooting a 69, 70, 7. Every score. You just have to post a couple of good ones in your stretch of handicapped. To me, like, doing what we're doing right now and not being on a range is like why when I golf on Friday or Saturday, like I may just like duck hook one into the woods because I just don't play golf compared to what a scratch golfer. I would love to know what a true scratch golfer. I know a lot of people say that they're scratch like true scratch golfer, how much golf he plays

compared to the average eight handicapped, 10 handicap. And I think it's astronomical amount of golf. I don't. I disagree. I know a lot of guys who are. Practice included. I think it's more practice. I mean,

practice included. Maybe not rounds. I haven't practiced in five years. Like, you know, like legit like gone to a range and like hit like wedge shots. No joke. The only range I've ever,

I've hit in the last like four or five years has been right before a round. Yeah, you just hit it. You hit 10 to 15 balls and you're out of there. Yeah. Yeah. You guys handicaps are wildly impressive for the amount of practice that you don't get. I mean, we do play a lot of golf.

Yeah, sure. You know, practice is a huge part of it. Totally. To be able to improve. Short game stuff is amazing. I mean, I don't roll a putt usually before I go out and like play the court.

Yeah. Dude, Tiger Woods on that last show said you don't get better by just playing the golf course. You get better on the range. I was going to say that. Like, I'm always amazed people that'll comment like, you guys play so much golf. How are you this bad? It's like, well, you don't get better playing bad golf. No.

You don't just get better out. Like when you're on the course trying to like find your swing, you don't get like way better. Like, yeah, maybe you can refine it a little bit. You can bring your scores down a couple strokes because you've played like maybe you've played three weekends in a row where you played two or three rounds. and you're kind of like, okay, I can, I can, a little bit of a rhythm. Right. I know what I'm going to do. I know where my miss is going to be.

The fact you're getting into a rhythm proves that if you were on a range, you'd be getting into a rhythm. Like, you're hitting more golf balls. Definitely. I'm not saying you wouldn't get better. I'm saying, like, I don't know that you could get down to a zero, though. It's my point. Like, I just don't, I don't know. It's very case by case.

You got to have the right intangibles. Right. I think I do. You know what I believe in you, bud. Thank you, I think you got it, babe. Appreciate that. You got a great swing. you're a big boy you're a big boy that's true that's definitely a fact yeah frankie what do you think

over a year you think you get closer now if i dedicated every single day i just think i'd be a lights out putter and like at that i mean i don't know like i i would learn the game of golf i was like i know what i i feel like i know what i need to do and then like like there's certain shots where like i know i need to land this right here i know it needs to have this type of like like height and then i go up to the to the shot and i don't know how to hit it like physically i guess I can't do it. Another thing that I think is being sort of just like conceded and given here is that anyone who's put in this situation is going to have what it takes to just go every single

day and grind and effectively get out of practice what they need to get. Like if I go to the range and I'm like trying to practice for like 15 minutes, after like 15 minutes, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm like, I don't know how I can really hit an eight iron any differently. I don't know. I know you're going to have a coach. I know you're going to have a coach. But I'm saying like the mental fortitude and what it takes and how.

Like maybe after three days, you'd be like, this fucking sucks. Like, I just don't enjoy that. I don't enjoy grinding my dick off on golf. I hate golf now. I used to love it. Like, I think just calling all that, like a given that that's just going to be, oh, no, for a year, you'll just do that for 12 hours a day. You will be the most focused grinder in the world and get down to a zero is crazy.

I just don't. Well, for the hypothetical, you'd have to do it. Like, but I think that's a factor, like, factoring in someone's ability to, like, really commit and become so dominant at something to me is like, like, like a huge just thing that we're overlooking. Yeah. I think because also we have jobs. Like if we didn't, if we were practicing for 12 hours,

that's the only thing we're doing. So I think my, my focus would be on that. You know what I mean? Like right now my focus wouldn't be on it. After a day I'd be like, what the fuck am I doing? I can't do this every day

because I have to go back to work. Dave's going to fire me again. Right. But like in this hypothetical, you're like, you're going to practice every single day with a pro for 12 hours a day. Like,

I'm going to wake up. I'm going to practice. Like, that's what I'm doing. That's my job at that point. I don't know what you're playing for. I guess at the end of the road, I don't know. Just take a year off.

I don't know. But to me, like, for that hypothetical to work, that part can't be a part of it. Like, you can't get tired of it. You have to just say, like, I don't know. You have to say that you're going to do it or else it wouldn't. Then the hypothetical would work at all. Yeah, but I don't think that's a given part of the hypothetical is what I'm saying. Because we have other obligations and stuff.

But I don't think. No, I'm saying for other reasons. I'm not saying for other reasons. I'm not saying you're going to walk out. I'm not saying you're going to walk off. to keep going through and going every day, go back to the range, play for eight hours,

you know. Correct. Like essentially what I'm saying, right, is like somebody, what I'm saying out there is somebody like, like Pat Perez could have the same argument where you'd be like, Pat Perez,

why aren't you just, wait, why aren't you just practicing 12 hours a day and becoming the best player in the world? And his, I might be like, I just don't have what it takes, dude. Like I'm pretty fucking good.

I got pretty good. But like, I practice two hours a day and then I love wine and I do this and that. Whereas like, what if after two weeks that you were just like, dude, this fucking sucks. Like I know I'm actually getting worse

I'm trying this new swing changes And now after like a month and a half My handicap fucking went up I know it's part of a process But like I just this is driving me crazy This is that and like I just don't know That it's a given that you would be like No no trust the process

Everything's great I love doing 12 hours a day A hacking balls out Yeah I just don't I think there's a certain mental fortitude required To like do that effective Right I don't know I could be wrong I guess we'll never know

No No you need someone to just take a year up Not gonna have Nope Next question Maybe we'll convince Dave to be great. Hey, we're gonna take a year off work

and just see if we gotta prove this point. And if you just don't at the end, it's like, the four of us. Didn't do it. Damn, didn't do it. Ah, well, that was, that was something. Shucks, good try. I'm just still a six at the end of it.

Right. Just hacking and I'm shooting 82s all the time. Well, the way Dave would do it, he'd put like a little grass part in the range with a fucking net in front of it. And then he'd just make you hit off balls all day here in the office. And then like with a live stream. Yeah. Like hook it up to the website.

People could watch you just like your hands bleeding. just hitting golf balls pretty much that would make you hate the game of golf you just be the most miserable person in the world hands bleeding uh all right that's it that's a good show you guys golfing this weekend we have a wedding up in vermont we're we're um we're playing golf at woodstock country club on tuesday yeah looks awesome looks incredible i'm gonna i have a wedding this weekend as well on friday out in the hamptons i was thinking about golfing out there should yeah i don't know where though are you throwing a little feel or out maybe we're a little feeling it's a good wedding weekend out of the hamptons i'm just See what I'm doing? You know, we talk about meeting people. You know, the net's up. The nets up. I'm looking forward to meeting some people this week, you know, preferably Friday morning. Anyone out in the Hamptons, you know, my DMs are always open.

I'm going to be out there with my clubs. For that. I'm going to be out there with my clubs. You know, I have a buddy who's lefty. If anyone wants a little righty versus lefty match, I think we'll take you down regardless of location. Yeah, we got a good scene. There you go.

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what, Frank. I think you're going to end up somewhere nice. 100%. Hampton is a nice place to play golf. Hamptons is a great. place to play golf. There's a ton of places out there. I can't tell you how many good golf courses are. I'm going to be out there. I'm looking for like, you know, a 10 to 11 o'clock, something out in

the Hamptons. You know, I'm going to have my clubs with me. I'm going to have a buddy. You're just saying it'd be cool if like that happens. It would be awesome if I got to play golf around the 10 o'clock to 11 o'clock hour and then I got to go straight to the wedding and then have like a great wedding with all my buddies. Don't fucking fantastic. Don't, don't update us on what happens. I just want to see the picture on your Instagram story of Shrinikak Hills. We've all been thinking it. Like, if anyone with the Chinatcock, hit me up right now. Yeah.

Because I'd like to play it, you know? 100%. I'll bring 100 balls with me. I don't think you'd lose as many balls in Chinatuck. Really? No. Huh. I really don't.

I don't infest you. I played at Mill River, and I lost a ball. It was one of those lost balls where, like, if we had a gallery, we would have found it. I knew where it was. That sucks. It was towards later in the day, it was on the 15th hole. Yep. I lost it.

Some kids said he just sent me a picture, Pizza Maker, just right in the middle of the rough. I will say, did part of you wish you didn't have that ID on your ball? Because everybody just knows you lost the ball every time? It's happened three times. I've gotten sent a pizza maker ball. This kid actually messaged me. He goes, hey, man, that hole with the tree is the ninth hole, by the way, a mill river, the one that you hit the best shot of your life and missed a birdie putt.

Ninth hole. He goes, I can't believe you didn't understand that because, like, the clubhouse is right behind it. Like, it's clearly the ninth hole. And then, he goes, I belong there. Later that day, he found my ball on the 15th, right in the middle of the row. The same guy? Yeah. That's incredible.

I made a seven on the hole. easily could have made a boge. Did you say, hey, buddy, you understand the mental mindset I was in because of what was going on in the line? He knew. I think he knew. That's good. Yeah. Is Mill ever ever that place we played where the wedding was going on in our first tee? When we teed off? No, no, no, no, no. What's that place? That's, uh, wind watch. Wind watch. That was, remember that? Dude, there was a wedding going on to our right and, and the whole bridal party just stood. So we were on the back tees. They all stood on the front teas and just took bridle pictures while us hacks were just teeing off. And I'm not kidding. My one friend, I think we played,

I don't know who we play with. My buddy Mike, I think, who was a righty. Yeah, Lurch was there too. And then Lurch was there, shit. And we were like, if at any point we just blade this thing or push it out, not even that bad of a shot. Like, you could just drill one right. You're just going to kill someone. They were like 25 yards ahead of us, which is danger zone.

All with their backs and sides to us because they're taking pictures. They're all laughing and giggle. I don't think you understand what's happening here, people. This is the first T of the day, too. Like, we don't have a rhythm. We don't have any idea. This shot. That one is crazy.

This ball could go right, left, up, down. Nothing. Nothing. There was zigzagging on the golf cards, too, like bringing them to beautiful places too because we'd see them, and then they put them by, like, the lake or whatever, and we're like, I literally have to hit a drive over you. And, like, I could easily catch this thing,

a couple grooves low and just rip it right down. And it's over for you, people. The wedding is ruined. I ruin the wedding. Ruined a lot of things about. It becomes a pizza maker ProV-1, right at your fucking face. That's not going to taste good. Everybody enjoy Labor Day weekend.

Have fun. Be safe out there. We will be back on Tuesday. Hopefully we'll have an update on the Kisner, Phil Mickelson, text messaging. Be nice. Big thanks to Kiz jumping on the show. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

Hit it hard. Hit it hard. I'll be on the Hamptons Friday, 11 o'clock tea time. Something around there. I'd love to play. A hit it then. Yeah, my birthday was that last month. Just want to thank our sponsors again.

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