Fore Play - “Knives Creek,” and The Beginner Becomes The Pro with Caleb Pressley

Episode Date: June 9, 2020

After 91 days off, the PGA TOUR is back. We discuss this week’s event, what we expect on the tour going forward, a preposterous Golfing dot com headline comparing Rory to Tiger, and when we think Tiger will tee it again. Then we’re joined by our good friend and former UNC QB Caleb Pressley (56:19). Caleb played golf for the first time 3 weeks ago and decided he’s going to become a pro golfer!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Is it too loud? I think that was a good answer to Thursday. No, I think really that when you were bringing. It was just, yeah, when you brought it in, it went to like, we don't want to replicate that. Right. Okay, Forge play, Presenter right, Barstall Sports.

We're back. It's Tuesday, June 9th. And guess what? Golf's back. B.J. Tour's back. Professional golf's back. I think I saw we got 59 hours of life. live coverage at the Colonial this week.

A bunch of guys are playing that probably otherwise wouldn't play. Rory, Brooks, a lot of huge names, Spieth. It's almost like we just like took a year off and we're back. It's kind of what it feels like. Trent just clapped. What? Trent just clapped.

He did a nice quick clap. When I did a little golf up, when they say 59 hours, I have no baseline for how much coverage they're usually. Like, I don't know if that number is way high or a little higher. Like how much coverage does it? a normal tournament get on TV. It actually kind of sounded low. Yeah. I mean, if you don't have a triple digit to brag about, what do you know,

what are you doing? Like I remember when Fox got the Open Championship was it. They made a huge deal by it was like wall to wall, 150 hours of coverage. Like that number means lots to me. 59 hours, that could be what it always is. And it's just because we're coming back that it sounds like a big number. Did they give it a 59 hours of a live coverage? Because there's only potential 96 hours of golf that you can give. I mean, that's too funny. You got to understand they've got different, they've got different mediums.

They've got like online. They've got special showcasing of like just certain holes. Like, so they can throw anything into that. Yeah, that's true. And call it whatever. I'm gonna, I've got it on my little outline here. So let me just read it what they wrote. Uh, 20, 2019, 2020, PGA tour season returns with the Charles Schwab challenge

beginning on Thursday, June 11th, concluding a final on coverage on Sunday, June 14th with 59 hours of live coverage across CBS, golf channel, and PGA Tour Live. I need a baseline. I don't know. I'm excited that's coming back, though. I mean, that's really what it comes down to. Look, I too am very excited. We can bet on stuff.

So we're going to get into all of that. We've got on this show, I think we're going to have Caleb Presley, who works with us, who he's hilarious. He's a very, very funny guy. He's very different than we are. He's got a completely different type of humor. He does some of the funniest interviews, I think, in the history of the internet. And now he has become one who has the golf bug.

He got he just made the call. He's going to get into golf. He's going to start playing. He's going to be grinding on the range. He's been posting videos of his swing. So we're going to chat with our old friend Caleb. I haven't seen him in months. Anybody seen Caleb?

No, I love Caleb. One of my favorite people at Barstool always has been. He's been, you know, very important. to me since I started there, like always looking after me, making sure that I'm doing the right thing, calling me up, getting me on the right track and stuff. So Caleb's my guy, and to watch him now enter the world of golf and have those sort of demons that we all do, I see him going through it, man. I see him out there grinding. He's hitting ball sideways. He's barely getting him off the tee. But he said that he wants to become a pro golfer. He said one day he just

decided it. And he's got, we also have to worry about Caleb's got one of those brains. So we're bringing him on this show and he's going to try and out with us and out you know it's just like a pft big cat type brain where they and roan like they think another way they have a different type of mentality on how to speak so we could get warped into like Caleb like at the end of that my point is at the end of that podcast we could be like i could be Caleb's uh catty for all i know like i don't know where he's going to warp us in but i know that he can just with that with that hair in those eyes anything he says to me this might just be his show afterwards It's like he might be a one-man host of four-play and somehow 100%.

Yeah, we might work for Caleb by the end of the podcast. So it's a little risky to have him on, but it'll be fun. I don't know what the hell to expect. He's driving. We're going to call him in a few minutes. We're going to chat with Caleb about kind of getting into golf for the first time. And like Frankie said, he just declared that he wants to be a pro golfer. So we'll kind of see how that goes.

Before we get into all of this, you should be reminded, and you will be reminded. and you will be a reminder that you should get into Owens craft mixtures this past weekend. A couple of my buddies that I've made here in Pye Harris, one decided to cook us dinner. I brought over some Owens. He said, I have one, I have one ask.

You don't need to bring any liquor. You don't need to bring any special wine. He said, just bring that Owens over here. I brought three different bottles of Owens. It was gone in about a half hour because everybody wanted their quality cocktails. And I felt like, I felt like the most impressive born to host and poor people.

people drinks, even though it wasn't even at my place person in the war. I was with, I put the ice in. I put a little vodka in. I put the Owens in. I handed everybody a drink. And then they just went, ah, wow, how did you make that? It's incredibly simple. You go to owensmixtures.com. Type in barstool 15. You get 15% off. They've got a bunch of really good flavors, ginger beer and lime, mint cucumber in line, grapefruit and lime, tonic water in lime. You put the liquor in. You put the Owens mixers in, you have yourself a delicious high-quality cocktail. It is that easy. Barstool of 15 is going to get you 15% off.

Frankie usually has the old ones right behind them, but he's at a different set today. That is the best though. When you deliver like a cocktail of somebody and they give it that, hmm, what is that? And then you get to tell them like, but you're like this pro guy that you can deliver a good drink to someone because there's always that a little bit of nervousness. Like when you make something and you give it to somebody and you're like, I hope that's good.

Like I don't really know, but I'm hoping. open and then when they get that, what is it? What do you do that? And then you get to just tell them, it's, it's very gratifying. It's great too because these guys, I mean, the crew is like the golf operation crew, like the pro shop guys. And then so they've been grinding all day at Pinehurst. They're super busy.

Everybody's excited to kind of be back. There's like phase two of reopening around here. So these guys are jam. They're dealing with issues. Carts are breaking. They're out in the heat all day long. And they finally like sit back. They've been looking forward to this all day long.

And then I just make and put right. in front of their face a cocktail and they sip that and they go, oh yeah, this is what I've been looking forward to all fucking day long. And I just poured a little Owens in. That's literally all I did. And like you said, Lert, you don't really know. Even now, I'm as confident in Owens as I can be. Sometimes you're worried that I mess up a ratio. Is there too much I don't really know? And you hand it in front of them, you're pretty cut. You go, you're going to like that, you don't really know. And then they take a sip and next thing you know, all the Owens is gone. as people are drinking it all night.

So it is nice to be the cocktail guy. I'd never been that guy before. Feels very good. Feels very rewarding. I agree. Onesmixtures.com. Okay. We're back in terms of golf.

We talked a little bit about that. We'll get more into that. We are back in terms of posting more videos on YouTube. The Kisner video is racking up views from the four-man scramble. I noticed too. And folks will probably. recall that we had a little bit of an on-air fight about the behind-the-scenes last week on what to title our YouTube videos and all this other thing.

Well, that things at like almost 400,000 views already on YouTube, which is a lot. And then I also noticed our little wizardry maybe, or maybe it's just if you put out really good videos, they get a lot of views. But the other Kisner video now has picked up like 100,000 views, bonus views since we posted that one. Now I'm noticing like if I run anybody here at Pioneers, everybody's like, I watch that video on YouTube. So if you haven't yet, type in four play golf on YouTube, go check out our Kisner, four-man scramble. It's like an hour and 17 minutes long. It's every fucking shot. Our horrible swings, our occasional good ones, we were the one shot wonders.

We got it fucking done. I'm pumped that people were watching that video because I feel like that's kind of like the culmination of everything we've been working on. There's drone footage in there. It's Pioneer's number two. It's our golf games and all the good, all the bad. Kisner played lights out. I was going through the scorecard the other day. And he legit from 7600 yards, shot 70 on a golf course that he hadn't been to in six years.

That's arguably the hardest golf course in the country. And the boys beat him. It's like the fact that happened is shock. We won. That video is cruising to 400,500,000, And people also forget that, you know, aside from our competitors or anyone else who does our videos, we have a site called barsonsports.com in which these people watch. I mean, it's one of the most visited blogs in the world, I would say, and they watch our videos there as well. So that's just on YouTube.

That's aside from one of the biggest blogs on the internet that we put the video on. On YouTube, we're closing in on 400,000 and five days of like real raw views. And that has nothing to do with what that title originally was. has nothing to do with the algorithm. My new algorithm for the Foreplay success podcast is good video plus YouTube equals views, right? Like just a good video, you have a good idea, you make it, you put it on YouTube, it gets good views. If you have a bad video, no matter what you do to dress that little bitch up, it's not going to look pretty. I'm sorry, it's just not going to work.

Yeah, that's really the lesson, the YouTube lesson to put a bow on it, to even do. any content creators out there. Lipstick on a pig is what I was trying to think of. I called a little bitch, but people say, people say the Coliseans lipstick on a pig now because they didn't redo it. They just put the outside facade on it, and that was used to hurt my feelings.

Like, why yeah, I call it a pig. Like, come on. Yeah, if you make good videos, there's a good chance they're going to get a lot of views. And that's what's going on with both Kisner videos because those are both fantastic videos and they are getting a ton of views. So any content creators out there,

if you ever want to get views, make good videos. That's really what it comes down to. Yeah, I have to agree with that. I really just do. I think Kiz too, he just puts asses in the seats. That guy, he delivers. He's, he's, he's always chirping. He's witty.

He's cocky as shit. Everybody's coming around me, like all the guys that were working that were kind of like hanging around the range. If you remember during our little warm-up sets, they're all like, so Kisner doesn't really lack in confidence, does he? I was like, no, he does not. And when he's in your ear with it, it's not the easiest thing in the world. So all of that's in that video.

Go check that out. We got new merch, a bunch of new shirts from Robo. back. We got the be an athlete shirt, which we put on sale. Frankie really highlighted that phrase. I know other people who have played sports throughout their lives and then have played, tried to get into golf, have stood over that golf ball before at some point and said, all right, motherfucker, just be an athlete here. Like, stop thinking about the takeaway, the club face, my hips.

So just be a fucking athlete. Hit the golf ball. And Frankie just kept telling yourself that. And you stripes of drives that you're telling yourself that. Yeah. It's just like you got to remember sometimes that all we're trying to do at there, sometimes is just put an athletic swing on it once in a while. Like don't do that thing where you're on your heels and you're shanking balls right and left.

Like be an athlete for that moment. Like get that club face flat, like make sure that that club face is hitting that ball at somewhat of an athletic speed, right? Like use your arms, use your wrist, follow through. Just do something that looks good. I mean, I say that all the time. You got it. Like, because I can't be a golfer.

So I'm going to be an athlete and just try to. smack it. Like that is, just give me the chance. Just forget about stiff arms or swinging or grips, loosening, weakening grips. Just hit the thing. Be an athlete, it's genius. You can get that shirt. Some people are chirping that like it's not a lefty, but it's like, I don't know, I don't know that people were going to buy it as like a Frankie Barrett. Like, I want to, I want Frankie on my shirt. It was more just like, no, that's. I also think, yeah, if you put a lefty, no offense to lefties, but you guys are outnumbered in the world. So people are, if you made it a Lefty people would be like, why is that a lefty?

The problem with that is, the problem with that was that we, when we tweeted it out, it was like from Frank & Brewerley's, whatever the tweet was, it was like Franklin Brothers brain. Then it was like a really white kid wearing like a t-shirt and pants like I would and like holding up the club and it's just not a lefty club. Like it looks like me, everything aside from the club. So I think people were like, well, you guys advertise it as this and then whatever. But I don't think it matters. Like, I mean, I was still wear it with a righty.

Remember they put out like the match promo with Tiger and Phil and Tiger. was like holding a left pan in a driver. Yeah. That was one of the more embarrassing, yeah, embarrassing things that ever happened. That was crazy. You're not, you're not super white right now. You got that, you look red. You look like a tomato, but that's progress.

You guys say this is a tomato, but like if you saw me in real life, like right now, I just got back from the golf course. So I'm feeling hot. Just touch your neck to see if it goes pure white after. It's like, it's a different, it goes kind of pure white, but like, it's a color, right? Like, I finally have, I finally have a little bit. bit of stuff on my face. I finally have a color. I'm now moving on from all the generic ones on the creative player to now like the second tone of white skin. The first option in mustache. You know what I

mean? Like, have you, have you changed your emojis? Like when you send emojis, you're like one more to the right? Yeah. I used to be that pale like, you know, fucking notebook paper. And now I'm that next one. And I'm inching in, inching it. I'm actually in the sun now. Like, you know, We're not at work. We're working from home. So I put my laptop on my lap and I sit outside and I'm just like in the sun. Usually I'm inside a concrete jungle, withering away,

not being happy. That's another thing. I think I'm much happier now that the sun is hitting me. We talk about seasonal depression being inside the fucking city during the winter. You don't see the sun ever. You're just dying in there. No, I've been going out more too. And shout out,

I've been going on walk. Shout out to our guy who works at Parsil, double vodka, he's been losing. Shout out double vodka, God. That dude is so inspirational. He's fucking awesome. He is awesome. He's lost 50 pounds and he's just, he's just walking all the time. I mean, he weighed a lot to going into it like 320, 325. So he's just been walking. He's been losing all this weight. It's inspired me to get out there because when I saw myself in the Kizner video of Pioneer Number 2, looking a little chubby. And I would like to say everybody else in quarantine, fuck you for not getting fat like I did. Everybody at the beginning was like, oh, we're not going to go outside. We're going to be in our apartments. We're not going to walk at all. We're all going to get huge. I did it. Nobody else did it. Super. fucked up. But I've been going out there and I've been getting sun too and you just feel better. And I've been getting a little color as well. I'm a little tanner and you feel better.

People were saying your pants were a little tight in that video. I gained a bunch of weight during quarantine. I'm up there in terms of the weight and I, you know, I sent my measurements to the great people at footjoy. They're like, what size your pants? What size you send them? What size you? Forty. I said 40. Ooh. And I'll say when I first saw you and you were in sweats, you were filling out sweats. And when I know a big guy from another big guy, when you start to fill out the sweats, that's when you know things are a little bit heavier.

I'm not hiding from it anymore. No, I know. You're just saying all the other people. I got fat during quarantine. I weigh 260 pounds right now. I thought everybody was getting fat. I thought that's what the thing was. And it was like, ah, this is going to be crazy.

We're getting like 200 steps a day. I was doing that shit. Everybody else was doing yoga and, you know, training in their apartments. I was not. I just ate like, crazy and I didn't move and now I weigh a bunch. So I'm walking around New York City trying to lose some of this weight and I'm getting some sunlight and it feels better. But I'm huge.

Bro, if you hit three bills, I don't know what I'm going to do. You know, so again, double vodka, again, he started 320 something. He's at like 280 and my biggest motivation is to not get caught by double bod God Goddada. Oh, you guys are in a race. I'm trying to run in the other direction. I'm trying to spread. I told him that. I mean, are you in an ultimate? Are you in an time high? Well, not anymore because for the last week or so I've been losing weight. So I'm at 260 now after. Oh, okay. Because my all time is 262 and a half. That's my high on a weighted scale. I was just wondering. And you're seven inches taller than Trent. If we're going to go there at my peak during quarantine, I was 268. Okay. But that's right. That's documented. There's probably some

ugly days there where we didn't step on the scale, which is fine. Right. We'll give you guys that. There were definitely days where I forgot scales even existed. Like, I was so like not getting near one that. But yeah, I don't know how we got on this. Oh, the sunlight. But yeah, I'm trying to walk it off.

I'm trying to get some sunlight and we're going to, we're going to get that. These walks, do you walk at like an urgent pace or is it like leisurely? It's pretty brisk. So I do. So I do, my brother started this like competitive. Quick or slow with brisk fast? Yeah, brisk is great. You're sweating?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I do walks. My brother started this little competition thing. It's like 10 v. 10. And you pick up points if you walk, if you work out, if you do a class or whatever based on how much you do. So if you do like 25 pushups, you pick up a point. If you run a mile, you pick up a point.

I do morning walks now at the most casual pace you've ever seen with a cup of coffee. But my walk is about a mile and a half. It takes me like a half hour. And I document that as part of my workout. I walked five miles this morning. Whoa. Wow. See, that's good.

I got to do it. I know I don't want to give about a free app, but I know they're going to be advertising it at some point. The Woot Band. This thing has been great. Riggs has got one on right there. You fucking throw this thing on because, and it tracks everything that goes on with your day.

And before my days were just filled with ice cream and chicken fingers and fries. They are our patch kids. Oh, my God. It's a problem. But like, now this. This thing tracks my days and what I'm doing and I want to keep going. So, you know, it's, it's, we're headed in the right direction. Yeah, the whoop, like, we're not, we're going to do actual, like, legitimate ads with the

whoop, with the whoop guys, the whoop band. They're great. We can just talk about it because it's fascinating. This thing is awesome. It's, so it gives you like a strain, like how, um, strenuous your day was. And like, that is a challenge. Like that, that, that mentally gets you where you're like, okay, I can't have my strain. be they give them collars so it's like the red that's like you're pathetic and you're going to die

so it's like i can't have another red day and like green's really good and then the sleep too it measures your sleep so like first thing i do in the morning i wake up and i check like how good was my sleep yep and i will say trend i've still never had even close to the number of disturbances that you have what's going in a single night i had 21 disturbances. I think I've been like I've been asked around and people have like five to eight disturbances a night. I mean that's every 15, 20 minutes. You have a disturbance. There's a disturbance. It was a disturbance every 20 minutes. Got to fill you sleeping. I want to know what's happening. There's demons all over the place. It's just going to be like that movie, uh, paranormal activity. It's going to be,

uh, you know, the sequel or however many of they've made of that. It's a problem. But I was, oh, go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, other of my disturbances is that I sleep really well. Like I get like eight hours a night, but there's just a lot of disturbances. Lurch, what happened with you this weekend? You golfed and then one of the days you were just too tight to play golf. What does that mean? So like my back pretty much just like, I have a bad back.

Like one time when Riggs and I were living together, and this was like three years ago, like I couldn't get off the floor for like a week. I had to call out of work. I couldn't do anything. I was just lying on the ground doing this McKenzie method of stretching. came home he was between the coffee table and the couch just on the ground i was like i couldn't do anything so i just lay there fuck so anyways i'm very cognizant of it now and so now like the other day it was like slipping in a lot of pain i play with this kid eric and you play with him eric jacobos

yeah looks like matzicorilla yeah good kid and so we're playing in my back he just like giving out and then the next day i was gonna let me just stop right there it's it's hard to imagine how much he looks like Matt Zuccarello. He doesn't, like he is Matsucarella, but go on. He's also a great kid. Shout out to E.J. I just Google. I just Googled him and I agree. But anyway, so thank God we we were going to play on Friday with cons. And they were giving me a bunch of crap for not being able to play. And I was like, I can't, like, I can't pick up the club. I can't bend old. And so I was trying, I was trying to stretch and whatever. And thank God the weather came. So we got rained out. Which is huge for you.

Played again on Sunday. and I was stretching and trying to do everything with my power. And I was still a little tight, but I'm still tight today, but I feel better. You've gotten any sort of medical help with it at all? No, I do my own, I'm a doctor myself. That's a bad idea. Yeah, so, but what I've been doing, I've been doing these. This is starting to make a lot of sense that you've had prolonged back issues.

Yeah. I've been doing these foundation stretches online, like 12 minutes and I do them every day. And Kahn started to get a picture of me or a video when I was showing them what I'm doing. but it's a lot of bend over. And what you do is you kind of stabilize the core and the uptop, but you stretch all your hammies and kind of get the tension out of there. And I'm huge into it. So I've done that for the last like four or five days.

I haven't done it today, but I'll do it after this or when we hang up. I want to get into this more. But first, I got a little question for you. Did you know that only two pages regulate the $60 billion skin care industry? Did you know that, Frankie? No, I didn't know that. I don't even know what that means. Well, the FDA has only banned 20 ingredients while the EU has banned over 1,300.

We're talking about skincare here, which means there may be very many, very many harmful ingredients in your current skincare products. Do you know who does not have harmful ingredients in your skincare products? Fours and out. Hey, I didn't even know what the ad was. I didn't even know what company we're talking about. Let me tell you about my friends at O&A. They have changed my life, man. I can't go anywhere without my words.

I sound like a little, like, recording, what's the word I'm trying to think of? I don't know. You said it. Somebody that just repeat stuff. Yeah, but there's a word. There's a machine. Paris?

It's a machine that people reference all the time. Oh, broken record player. Man. My brain's a shot, dude. Woo! Let me tell you. There you go. Your biggest promoter can't remember.

I'm talking, I use that body wash like you wouldn't believe. I lather myself up from the tips of my fingers down to my toes. Every crevice is oars and outs. And then I get out and I got the eye cream. The eye thing, it's like a metal ball, wakes you up in the morning. I'm waking up with no bags under my eyes. I put on the deodorant. I feel good.

I smell good. I get to tell people, how often do you talk about your deodorant to people? I'm constantly now talking about my deodorant. I'm like, what kind of deodorant I use? Oh, I use . . . . . . all right, well, have fun being put into the round when you're 50 years old because I'm going to be I'm going to be alive until 99 years old by putting no chemicals in my body I'm just a free bird flatten my wings around inside and outside the world no matter where I am I'm not sweating and I'm smelling good or is an ounce baby that's my

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Rigs, 15% off. And they really are. I mean, they're just phenomenal. And it is one of those you can't go back. Once you've committed to this, you're going to just cover your body in aluminum. Well,

that's the thing. Dude, when you wean off that stuff, your body can, like, it's used to doing all the mercury and aluminum in your armpits. So when you go all natural, right,

it's like smoking cigarettes on. Put that and then you, You feed them, you want it back, but you've got to stay away. You stay with the all-natural. You'd be healthy. The body wash makes my skin super smooth. Oh, those blue pellets in there? Yeah, I just got a new shipment the other day, and I'd been using some other brand

until I got the New Wars and Alps. And I started using it, and I could tell that my skin was smoother. It's crazy. I just want to, I don't want to lather you up and just hold you like a baby. I want to hold trend up like a baby by one arm on his back, one arm under his legs and just cradle into bed, put some sugar in them. Brother, you couldn't hold me right now. I think at my lightest,

I think at my lightest you couldn't hold me, so now at my near heaviest, there's no way. I would break you, I'd break all your bones. I would love to see it happen. If you just drop Trent into Frankie's hands, what happens to Frankie? Like, if you were just hoisted up there, Trent, and you're in like the little baby pose

through their feet up all horizontal, and Frankie's just got his arms out waiting to catch you. I mean, Frankie just goes into the ground. Trent goes straight through and I think breaks Frankie's feet. I think the bones in his feet crumble. By the way, you know what this drink is? No.

Fescue rescue. Oh, wow. Aaron Hills. Yeah. What, you just made that? Yeah, I just got back from the golf course, actually. Nice little Seth Rainer track, as the architects like to talk about.

Brookfield Country Club. Nice. You know, you guys ever see Wolf of Wall Street? You know when he's taking the Quayludes, when Jordan Belford's taking the quailudes and he's trying to call Jonah Hill. He's like, you fucking idiot,

hang on the phone and he's driving up. That was that Brookville Country Club. Like, that's the actual club that he was at. That's the club that he belongs to. That's a club that he drives his fucking car all over the place in. This place is fucking awesome. I love this golf course. He had a 250-yard par three,

a 600-yard part five, but it's only a 6,600-yard golf course. It's really fun. Some really long hole, some really short-turned bendy holes. And they've just rolled out the red carpet. I mean, the whole day, the superintendent is coming out with drinks and anything you needed and showing me where to go. At one point, I was aiming at the wrong hole.

I think it was the third hole. I was just aiming at the wrong hole, and he's screaming from the distance. To you right. And listen, I was about to hit that's the wrong hole. Like, I'm like, I'm out of here by myself. I have no idea where I'm going. We, Lurch and I, one time, on a buddy's trip, had a guy step up to a tea. and he just teed off the wrong way.

And he hit it. And he pipes the ball. It went 300 yards in the wrong direction. Roasted it. Just roasted dead straight. Did like a club tour? I was like, that should be perfect.

Like the holes literally the other. Dude, with my brain, that's happened to me. So I played Cherry Valley like 10 times so far this summer or this like season. And I brought my buddies there. And I was telling them like little nuances. You know when like you know a golf course.

So you like to retell the story. Oh, there used to be a tree there. Now there's pop bunk on green because the club pro. used to hit it over it, whatever. There's all these stories. And I'm telling these guys, we walk off like the fifth green, and I'm telling them the story, or is that after like the third green. And I start walking them to like, I guess it was the eighth T-box.

And we hit and we're on our way. And we walked up and I get a phone call being like, why are you on the eighth T-boxer? Like, what is happening? You just skipped over six holes. And I'm like, oh my God. Like, have you ever been, like, we just skipped the whole golf course. We're basically on the back nine right now. We just teed off and we're on the ninth green.

Like, what did you do here? That's working out of the way over T-boxes to get to this spot. I was just in the, I was in a mood to tell him. It was weird. We had the best thing happened to us yesterday. So we're playing golf and like we're flying. And anyways, we get behind this group and we finish up with par three. We go to the next hole.

But we see them on the wrong T-box and we're like, I wonder if they're doing like what you did first. Frankie. And so then they just played. They played the totally wrong hole. I think they just went from like seven to 17. And so we were just like, let's go. So then we just jumped in front of them. We were just, I wonder how their day ended up. But it was literally the perfect outfit come for us. They were on the right hall. And they just went completely wrong. And we were fine with it. But we picked up an hour. Dude, Seth Rainer Greens, talk about a bitch. Like, I don't know what kind of demented brain that dude had, like, like he, what he has, like, to me, like, I can't fathom

being able to read those greens. Like, I think it's luck every single time you put one down one of those. When you're on those huge slopes and it's three different tiers to get in, like, who's reading those greens? And at that point, like, how are you supposed to score? It's not even golf to me at that point, like on some of these pin placements when they put them on top of these tiers. It's mini golf. You've got to get the ball to come in at a sideways angle. How are you supposed to get the ball in the hole When the only chance it can go in Is if it delicately falls off the edge of it's like what who the fuck am I

Tiger Woods at Augusta national like I'm Frankie Borelli barely getting the ball in the hole I need something easier I need it So yeah like Seth Rainer has Some tracks uh that I think people people Have argued before that like it gets a little bit to Mickey Mousey, it gets a little bit crazy. But then there are also some people in the golf. And like Frankie, you said earlier, as the golf architects like to, like, get into that

Seth Rainer, you can't, like, wet their appetite enough with that kind of stuff. I haven't played almost any really Seth Riner tracks. National Golf Links is up there with, like, him and CB McDonald. And, like, and so they're actually, like, almost all this tracks are really hard to get on. So playing one is very rare. We almost played Shore Acres. if you remember, we kind of did, but then we got the storm, which was a bummer, because that's a Seth Rainer, isn't it? Which one?

Shore Acres. Isn't that a Seth Rainer out there? Yeah, Shore Akers. We played like eight, we played like the first eight holes, I think, at, at Shore Acres before we got rained out, like viciously rained out. But, but yeah, he, you know, he did a lot of the templates, and I'm sure there's some of them out there where you were, Frankie, but the Greens are supposed to be wild at his courses. I just haven't played many of them. It's like him and like McKinsey and those, like it's like really hard to play some of those course. Like, remember the greens at at Paso Tienpo?

Like those Alastienpo, like those Alistair MacKinsey greens, how wild those things were. We've all played it now, but just how huge they were. And like that 16th green had legit like seven different shelves on it on one green. Ridiculous. But Rainer from everything I've understood does the exact same thing. And I'm trying to remember. Is Mid-Ocean a Rainer, Seth Rainer out in Bermuda Lurch? Do you know?

I don't think so. Let me go. I don't see it to be. Interesting enough, I see Rumson Country Club as a Seth Rainer. I had no idea to be the case. Chicago Golf Club. Chicago Golf Club is another one of his big ones. That was on, I think it was Ben Crenshaw,

put out a list a couple weeks ago. That was like his top 10 courses in the world. And Chicago Golf Club was on there. Pioneers number two was on there as well. Just wild to me that he creates these golf clubs, these golf courses and they have so much like character to them and you have to step back and think like they're a hundred years old like this golf club today was like 1926 or 1922 or something like that and to me it's like it's so unique that type of green that it almost feels like a new age

golf course you're like oh this is very like almost hipstery like the fact that these fucking things are flying around like you think of like an old school golf course is like hickory sticks and flat greens and just get the pin in the hole and the whole. and let's just call it a day with some bunkers. And then you go to a place like Brookville Country Club. And I was telling you, there's a par three where it's a nice 155-yard par three. But then it's just basically like an island, like a TPC stargrass. And everything around is just one big sandpit.

So it's like it's so unique. Like that's something like I think you would need a freaking, I don't know, like a video game to design. But they're doing that back in the 1920. Like Seth Rainer was born in 1874. In what fucking world? And we still talk with architects, I always talk about. them like they're in present day right because it's like their their courses still live on so when you hear seth rayner and like alice and mackenzie i feel like they're like they're watching

you play the golf court and very being a golf architect like that is like that that's that's you want to talk about having a legacy that's a legacy the fact that people are still trying to get the ball in the hole at the golf course that you fucking built in 1922 and they still can't figure it out that's a fucking legacy yeah you're still like you're still testing and infuriating and just defeating people a hundred plus years later with the same, like with completely new technology,

we've got all the help you can have. Clubs are designed where it's fucking impossible to like not hit the ball straight and we can't do it. We can't hit it straight. We can't get it in the hole. We can't get it near the hole. I'm looking Fisher's Islands one.

I forgot. Fischer's is probably the most notable Seth Rainer that I've played. I think National Golf Flings was CB McDonald, but like Seth Rainer was a, was a mentor of CB McDonald's. So some of them they kind of co-designed. I think Chicago Golf was originally a McDonald.

And then Rainer, like with his blessing, came in and was able to like redesign some of it. But yeah, there's some wacky, wacky stuff that he was able to do with Greens. And like you said, Frankie, it is cool as shit that they've,

that those types of characteristics have stood up for over a hundred years. That's wild. I'm sure. Where they had somebody, like a total misread. If it's not like they just missed it with paste or break, but like they thought it was literally going to go left and went right they're probably just laughing their grave like got another one that's still lasting that whole position where they had the pin on

four today no one's made that no one's made it in from where i was in a hundred years and i know that for like that is still undefeated like he had it up on this double tier and it was i actually think it just doesn't show in video like undulations or stone show on pictures like it's like a gust on tv that shit just like I tried to take a picture and you're just like I'm just laughing in the background like it's just so so hard to see where they put this pin and I'm like trying to show you guys like it's just on a plateau and they have this thing up there it's just criminal and like no one's ever ever made that fuck I actually said to someone on the doctor's I'm like who who do I need to punch in the face today who do I need to punch in the face day for this travesty

Seth Rander's been dead for a smooth 94 years and he's keeping Frankie Bralee up tonight because of the greens. I want to say Gil has, like, came in and restored it or something a couple of years ago. I can see that. He's been known to do that quite a bit. That picture your show us couldn't have looked more just like a green. Yeah, it was nothing. It was just, I know.

It just, it looks so much like any green. Like, you could just be lying and you didn't play a seven right. What is it, like, what is it, 11 at Augusta with that, that hill in front? No. With the mound? yeah what's what's that that we were talking about that that people can't understand how high it is

oh um the sixth green the sixth green they say it looks like there's a fucking elephant built underneath it or buried underneath yes yes yes yes yes yes um yeah yeah so that's right i'm looking at some of these other ones too I didn't realize like you're right

Lord Rumson country color would have never guessed never I don't even think that's true I mean like my parents used me I don't think that's true It's probably been changed a ton. Monterey Peninsula. Sorry, the hill that pushes everything into the water on the 11th tree. Remember we were standing on that side to get into like we were waiting in A-Man

corner? We couldn't even see the pin on the 11th green and people were their approach shots to try and hit that green. We're hitting it and going into the water or towards it. We're like people don't understand how hard this approach at it is because if you go shorter to the right, the whole fairway and the skirt of the green funnels into this water. it's the undulation never shows and even in our like travel series videos like tobacco road like it showed as much as it could because that place is just mars but like if you're actually there

you can't understand how the green even like how they mow it um yeah that that what you're saying about augusta is correct like you would never the 11th hole you would never understand until you're there like when when rory walked by is not a shot at rory but like we couldn't even see him like there was a part where he we're standing 30 feet away from rory and he he's He's walking. We can see him. We can see him. We can see him. And then he just disappeared for like 20 feet and then reappeared because that mound is so massive to the right of the 11th green. And it's, I mean, that's again, if you want to get deep into the architecture game, which is not what we do on this show. It's not what we're known for. But you can get caught going down some of these holes sometimes. You could be like, oh, that is a really cool design feature. I would, you know, and get into it. Whereas otherwise, you might just cruise right by a hole, hit your ball over a mound like that. Never it was never know it was there, never care. But you can't really avoid it on the greens. When the greens are watching. like that, you can't avoid it.

It's going to be in your head all day long. I may fuck around and learn how to build a golf course on the golf club, and then when the new one comes out, I'm going to either import it or make a new one on the new 2K version if they're allowed that capability because they know in the other golf clubs they're allowed you to. And I'm going to have Stoley's play my golf course. Like I'm going to make, and it's going to be called like something sick.

I don't know. I feel like. I want to do the same. Like if you want to build nine holes, I'll build the other nine holes. I think I'm just going to build all 18. We're getting, how about this?

We're getting to the point with e-sports where people are making like $5 million a year and they're becoming celebrities. Why can't you guys become video game, you know, golf course architects that are worldwide famous? I'm currently building one. Like, I'm currently building a masterpiece.

And it's fucking hard, man. It takes me a long time to figure out how to build this thing because you can raise and decrease. increase every inch of the ground to make it how you want. But then, like, when you mess up one thing, like, I tried to raise. I want the first to you to have a ton of elevation, right? You just, like, I love high clubhouses, and you can oversee, like, one, you can oversee 18

comes back uphill. And I want one to be this huge bomb of a drive. Like, you need to be ready to go over some water maybe so that it stops, like, the Frankie Borellies of the world from when you dribble it off the first team. at least it just goes in the water. You're not going to be down there hacking your way on the first hole. You've got to retake it. I love that.

And that's what I'm trying to build. And I'm trying to raise this clubhouse and it won't work. And that takes me two days to figure it out. I think it's stream song. I think maybe the blue course at stream song. The first tee is on the top of a giant dune. And you like walk up this massive dune. You think like I'm spending all my energy for the entire day getting to the top.

But when you get up there, it's really sick because you do, you just get to wail on a tee shot. And when you're elevated, it goes forever. I do think elevated first T's when it feels like you can just bomb one is how every golf course should start. I want nothing more than, I want nothing more than Frankie to become a world-renowned video game golf course architect. That would be amazing. Dude, I'm going to do it. I'm going to, like, I am going to make a golf course that's hard to play, but it's fun. And that's going to be.

and we have to come up with the name. It's got to be something. Like the Knives. Like Knives Creek or something. Like Knives Creek is a fucking name. Knives Creek is good. Knives Creek is the leader in the clubhouse right now. And we may just stick with that.

If I can get one. There's not even a creek on it. It's just Knives Creek because it's a great name. I can just get one creek to run through one of those fairways. That's all I need. We need to find a mark. are just butter knives going into the ground everywhere. We need to find a bulldozer at some point

and just take you in a picture of you sitting in it, but you're just a video game architect, but you'll still use that picture as, like, your official architect picture. It would be a pixelated picture of, like, Bob the Builder with my face on it. This is a great idea. I love it.

Knives Creek. Oh, man. And Stooling will be able to play it. I'm pretty sure. I think you make the golf course. They can come play it. So we can have a tournament. We could have a tournament.

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where you can find all their newest and best shades. That's code 4, Play 50. at shady rays.com. All right, we're a little bit all over the map right now. I didn't think we were going to get into a little course architecture and then a little video game course architecture talk. But here we are. I mentioned earlier that we have the Colonial.

We have PGA tour golf returning. Featured groups, Rory, John Rom, and Brooks Kepka. If you recall, it's been a long time, but Brooks and Rory had a good amount of exchanges late last year, early this year. Brooks, I believe at one point said it hasn't been a rivalry because Rory hasn't won a major championship since I've been out on the tour. I think Brandl came on our show or somewhere and said, well, Rory was winning majors while Brooks Kepka was like slapping it around on the European tour.

So there's been a good amount of chatter between those two. You throw John Rom that lunatic in the mix, and he's been playing great golf when the last time the professional golf was around. That's a fantastic feature group. You've got the spring break boys, Ricky Fowler, Jordan, Spieth, Justin Thomas. It's almost like, speed's almost. like the Smiley Coughman of that group now. Like, I don't, you know, we got,

that's hard. That's a little steep. Yeah. Smiley Coughley, Kaufman is still a part of that group. But yeah, he's sort of edging. He's been going that way more than the other way, but that was quite a ricochet shot. Probably Coffman's cutting grass now. Like, he's not, I mean, speed is still.

I mean, how many majors does speed have here? We just called him smile. I mean, what are we doing here? Obviously, it's not performance-based, but the Forbes came out with the list of highest-paid athletes in the last year. And it was like Mickelson, Tiger, and Speak. And so, I mean, that's endorsement deals, but he's still up there making a ton of fucking money.

Some of the ugliest clothing in golf was underarmory clothes. Yeah. Would it deliver that message strongly? Sorry. You did. Yeah, you got it. Like disgust, which I think is fair. Halfway through, I didn't know if I wanted to specifically call out,

like, the shirts or the pants or the shoes. And I thought I wanted to call out the shoes. They're hideous shoes. because every time Speed gets on the golf course, looks like he's wearing like old baseball cleats. They're just gross, like figure it out, man, you're supposed to be looking good out there. But, you know, I just, I end up just saying clothes.

He also, I will say, like, when he was winning, when he won the Masters, like, he, the, like, double or tripling up on the Under Armour logo looks ridiculous. Like, when it's on his shirt and his hat, it's not like a Nike. Nike's, like, so subtle and you can kind of get us. Where the Under Armour one is, like, it's ridiculous.

So I agree with you. He did look. preposterous. He's not quite Smiley Kaufman, fine. But like Lirt said, it's like we've got J.T. who's, you know, the fourth ranked player in the world. Ricky, who, I mean,

Ricky takes plenty of Ricky Shea shots. But he's still, I mean, he was on the President's Cup team. He's obviously got a player's championship. Whereas like, speedy, it just feels like probably relative to his peak. He's falling off a lot more, even though

you guys are right. He's right there. And I can't get it out of my head how much of like a head case he is whenever you're there and how all the, he's got all the action going. It's amazing how much your career changes when those like 20 and 30 footers don't drop. Like as soon as those stop going in, it's like, what is he ranked in the world now? I wouldn't even have any idea. I'm going to guess. What do you guys think it is? I'm going to guess 58th. Let me guess. I'm guessing 58th. Frankie, you're frozen. Frankie, or frozen. I'm saying that

George Frankie. Come back to us. I say, I think he's sub-fifth. I have 48. Hello. I hear you now, Frank.

Hello. You're back. This is crazy. I mean, what the fuck? I'm going to guess that Jordan Spieth is 61st in the world. Ooh. I think I was closest.

He's 56th. Yeah. Oh. Wow. We were close, though. We were kind of right in that sweet spot. Being over 50th is, I mean, that's pretty bad for him. Right.

It's like you don't, there's some tournaments you don't get invited to if you're like over 50. Like he might have to go play in the John Deere Classic. Correct. Previous winner. Previous winner of the John Deer Classic. And then a lot of this begs the question of win will Tiger Woods play again. He's not playing Colonial this week. Some are speculating that he'll kick off his season next week at Harborside.

I don't know about that one. Others are speculating. He'll just going to wait a whole other month and not play until the Memorial, which is, of course, one of his go-to tournaments. Tigers got a very regimented, repeated schedule pretty much every year that he's healthy and playing. And the memorial is, of course, one of those stops. He's won there a million times. They had the replay on this past weekend yesterday, which was phenomenal to Watson.

when he was out there against Ricky. Ricky was in all, that was when Ricky had the ridiculous hair and was going super, super orange, like crazy orange pants, crazy orange shirt, crazy orange like belt. And Tiger just wiped the floor with him.

Like it was, and that, so that had to kind of maybe be a reflection time for Ricky when he stopped being as orange. He's a little less orange now, but anyways, when will Tiger play again? Nobody really knows.

I think Butch Harmon came out. saw a quote from Butch Harmon yesterday. I don't know when the quote was from. It has to be recently, but he was kind of responding to what he saw during the medalist match and said that he hadn't seen Tiger swing the club that well in a very long time. And I think that that's pretty much how we all felt after watch them. He was just stepping up very confidently amid Phil's blabbering on amid the rain, I made everything going on and just roasting T shots.

And so I do want to see Tiger Woods get back in the mix very, very quickly, obviously. But I don't know that he plays something like Harborside, like the RBC Heritage. I don't think he plays that tournament. Doesn't feel like it. Speaking of Tiger, remember when golfing.com tried to say that who was better Rory McElroy or Tiger Woods

in their prime, like their peak prime, who was a better golfer? That's one of the more idiotic things. I mean, has been just been for clickbait, right? Yeah, it's an engagement play.

It's a troll. It's like, and I tweeted this, it was like when our guys a couple days ago, I think it was Jeff D. Lowe, KB no swag and Nick, they made the fake map of food places and it got, it gets people all over the country freaking out about it. It's so funny.

That's more, that's better than what golf.com did because that's more subtle and it's better. But this one is just a blatant troll being like, which one's better, peak warrior, peak tiger? Get the fuck out of you. You know, I guess I do the same thing. I mean, it's not a hockey pocket. So when I talk about like the Rangers and the Islanders and I'll be like, I mean, I say that, I'll say things that I know could be factually incorrect about like, like, when the islanders were like on a. 14-game winning streak, I said that they will never lose again, right? And like, that could be

just like, like I wrote a blog, the islanders will never lose another game again. So people could tweet, like, click on that and be like, well, obviously they're going to lose another game again, but let me see how stupid this kid is for writing it. The difference between that is people know you, you're Frankie Borelli. And this is just coming from like a nameless, faceless golf account. Like you, when you do those things, it's a little bit ingest, maybe not to you, but people are laughing at you. But when golf.com does it, it's sort of, they don't, you don't know. You don't the person's sensibilities. So it looks like, hey, we're a golf outlet.

We cover golf and this is the actual matchup that we came up with. I loved it. I respected it. No. No, what's the negative to doing it? As long as it didn't make it like an actual argument within the article, then I guess I have nothing. I don't have nothing.

I'm not so opposed to it as just a headline, but if they try to make any sort of argument inside, that article. I need someone dead. See, I don't know about like, you're right. I didn't click on it. I don't know. I don't think anybody does. But I do think like it is, it was so ridiculous that it is just like the fake food map. It's like, why not? You know, it's like, I guess. I think it's so blatant. Like the fake food map, people like, they have to do a little bit of research. They kind of got

to know what's going on. That one is so like, you could have put Tiger in anybody's name and it's going to get just as much engagement. It's, that's, you know, It was weird. Weird move. Yeah. It rattled people. It got people fired up. I mean, we all roasted and we all got to chirp them.

True. They obviously deserved that. So, you know, it was fun. The Memorial, by the way, is going to have fans next month, which is, I don't know that people saw that coming, but Ohio, good to go. Fans. I think they said are going to max out at 8,000 fans. We're not going to have fans this week watching Colonial.

I don't know how. Do you guys think it's going to be that weird watching golf with no fans? maybe on Sunday like if there's a pretty like you want to get jacked up for the ending or whatever and there's just no noise at all but I mean golf's not really a sport in which I care about I mean only when tigers in it like you hear the roar

but that's more of like when you're there for TV I think I'm going to be fine also when there's 8,000 fans also when I think there's 8,000 fans at Memorial they're all going to be around Tiger Woods right Like when I when we tune into Thursday or Friday golf fans you don't notice the fans anyways like it's maybe a couple light claps that's it Yeah it will be interesting yeah tiger plays the memorial will they have like per hole maximums like they got 8,000 people on the golf course will they be like listen I know you all all

All 8,000 of you want to follow tiger woods but we just can't do that right now I wonder if they'll do that or they'll just let them if it's just going to be a free-for-all I don't know yeah I don't know I know I know brooks kept can't out he said like the people were going to lose balls now and all this other stuff without fans that people are going to shoot worse scores because like the fans aren't there as like a um a bumper if you're into bowling uh so you know those kinds of things could change it a little bit i don't think it's going to be from a tv viewer's perspective that much different i do think sunday like and it won't be dead silent right like there will be enough people on site like even when we played our match against kids right like i imagine it'll be similar to that amount of people that'll kind of just be around because people were just around.

That'll be like clapping and it'll be like fine. It won't be a roar, but it'll be fine. What would be weird is if Tiger fucking Woods was playing and there were no fans. Like when they did that in Japan that one day, when they got all the rain and like those things are eerie. But when you're watching John Rahm out there playing, I mean, even John Rob is a pretty big game. But like he ain't surrounded by massive galleries.

It's like a typical round. A couple claps. That's it. So I don't know that's going to make a huge difference. Okay. And then the last thing. Well, the Colonial have any grandstands, you think? Probably not, right?

Mm-mm. I don't think so. Well, that'll look weird. Yeah, that will look a little weird, especially coming up. Watching tournament golf coming up 18 with just an empty, like, almost like a METPGA event, like something like where a bunch of 18-year-olds walking up and their parents are waiting for them after the after the round, that's going to look a little weird. This, ladies and gentlemen, is brought to you by the dude brand. Most of the always are familiar with dude wipes, but today we want to highlight two of our newer product lines,

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I miss you, man. And I talked, I talked you up a bit before you came on this show here. I miss your vibes. I miss being around you. And, you know, I feel like these three or four months without you, have made me appreciate the time that I've had with you over the last four years. And, you know, I'm just glad to hear your voice again and communicate with you and just see where your life has been in the last couple months.

I know we're going to talk about the golf, but, you know, it's just, I feel good. I feel good. I'm in good spirits when I'm talking to Caleb Preston. Guys, I feel, Frankie, I feel the same way about you. And not only you, I feel the same way about Trent. I feel the same way about rigs. And it's because I was thinking about it, dude, I was like, I'm so glad that these guys have such large social media followings,

and they feel not because it's good for you professionally, which it is. But I'm glad because it makes you guys feel obligated to post more. And that way, I've been able to really keep track of you guys and watch you blossom as golfers and people over the last three months. Wow. I appreciate that. That's really nice. I never thought about it that way.

I have never thought about it that way. I think I may have given him a little bit more love than he returned there, but that's okay. I'm going to take whatever you gave me and I'm going to hold on to it. He did. He said thank you guys for posting on social media,

which is... I may have jumped in a little... That is really the only way you can connect right now because like you said, I mean, we're not in the office every day. We don't see each other as much as we usually do.

So social media is kind of the only way. So I think what Caleb is saying is that like we have these huge followings and we have to post a couple times a day and that's how he's been getting his fix of all of our friendships over this quarantine. Yes, that's how I've been getting my Frankie fix. Hell yeah.

Caleb, talk to us about you become a professional golfer. What started this? Where did this all begin? Well, so I went golf for the first time. About two weeks, probably three weeks ago now, close to a month. And I went golf for the first time. And then I was like, dude, I'm going to have to become a professional golfer now. And that's pretty much the beginning and end of it.

The end of it. What do you mean? I've never been. I'm just saying, that's the story. That's why I decided to go pro was because I had never been before. So I love sports. I grew up. I mean, I don't know.

People listening to this will know who I am. But, I mean, I played sports in college and I love sports, but I never played golf my entire life. Never heard in some way she picked up a club. So I don't know the rules of the game. I didn't know. I mean, I still am learning. But I went golf for the first time with some of my boys in Raleigh at this part three course

called Knights Play. And it was literally my first time ever. And I left that day. I told one of my boys, I was like, I'm going to become a pro golfer. And it was just something that happened inside my gut. It was a gut feeling that I knew it was the right thing to do. So where have you, like, investigated to learn more about, are you like watching YouTube videos? Are you reading articles?

Are you trying to figure out the swing? Do you just go to range? Okay. So once I decided that I was going to go. pro i was like i first i better learn how to play correctly so i went and got one lesson with this pro in uh in ashrah where i live and the and the guy was like okay um he kind of ran me too watched me swing a few times he asked me he was like he's like okay right when i met him he's like okay two things i want what i know from you right now one what is your golf background and two what is your golf goal and i was

like one never played in my entire life and two i want to go pro And so he was like, yeah. He was like, he was like, get out of my, get out of here, leave. Yeah, he thought I was, he thought I was asshole. So then he watched me swing a few times and he kind of like, we kind of took from there. Like he, it was a 40 minute lesson. By the time it was over, he actually told me he's like in the next week. So I was like, I want to take another lesson like right now.

I was like, if I can come back this afternoon, I can do it tomorrow. I bought a five pack of lessons. I was trying to, I mean, I'm obviously a little bit behind the eight ball because when 27, I'm just now starting. So I need my lessons quick. And he was like, no, you can't take, you need to practice what I taught you today for a week before I can teach you again. He's like, it would probably honestly be your best interest. If you don't even pick up a golf club in the next week, go to the course of the next week, just you use a broom. He's like, go in your garage, get a broom, and just swing your broom.

and you'll get a real feel for how to swing a club because I guess I was swinging it too much with my arms or something, I don't know, but he was like, swing a broom, don't even pick up a golf club before next week, and then come back next week and we'll go after it. Well, so I had the golf, still do, but I really had it bad at that time.

So I took his advice, and I did some of the swinging of the broom in my garage, but I also played like 18 holes a day for seven days in a row, and I was hitting the range, too, trying to just learn. I read like four books. I read this book called, that means a blur.

And you know how reading goes. You don't remember anything that you read. But I was just, it's so engaged that after about six days, I came down with some pretty bad knee injuries for, I think, overdoing it a little bit. So I've actually had to be on the sidelines for golf for two weeks. So two out of the three weeks of my golf career, I've technically been injured.

Yeah, I mean, you've got to think when you're hitting the range that much in playing, you can hold every single day for seven days, blisters start coming out. I mean, things that you haven't ever done in your swing, your ribs start hurting, your shoulders start feeling out of whack. I mean, you must have been a walking zombie after playing 18 holes like that. Yeah, dude, in the first day, I'm not used to, like, you know, how you have to kind of, like, bend over your back.

It's like you're almost doing like an RDL in the weight room, like a hamstring exercise and keep good posture. I'm not used to doing that. I usually have, like, pretty bad posture. So, like, being like you wrecked and upright in my back while I'm trying to swing, that that absolutely destroyed the muscles of my back. And I just kept trying to fight through it. And I think it just led that trickled down to my hips being tight.

And then I just, yeah, it was a disaster. And then I just started having to take, like, ice fast every day. And I just watched, like, I think it was Riggs that said I was just watching golf videos on YouTube and reading golf books, dude. And I luckily think the good Lord was able to get back on the course this past weekend. And I saw some progress, but not much. So is it frustrating for you, Caleb, that, like, you're this. you know, collegiate quarterback athlete. D-1, you know, and you play this sport where the ball doesn't move.

And all you got to do is hit this little white ball and just advance it forward. And it seemingly becomes the hardest thing that you've ever had to do athletically. Dude, I fucking love it, dude. I love it. And I'm so bad. Let me be very clear. I'm very bad. I'm not what someone will call it natural.

I'm not, none of those things. I just love the game. literally love golfing more than I ever love football. Two times more than I ever love football. I love golf. Two times? Wow. I'm addicted to golfing.

Like I literally, you know how Tiger Woods had to go to sex rehab? There's a chance. We don't talk about that. Wow. Sorry, I didn't know the rules. But yeah, I mean, but I also, dude, I read a biography about Tiger Woods from, like, one of his, like, salty old swing coaches. Can you there talk about him?

Yeah, I read that book. Like, dude. If you want to talk Tiger, I know Tiger, because I read his book. But besides that, I'm new to the game, but I love the game. Let me ask you this. Are you, like, were you a big Tiger Woods fan before? No, dude, I don't ever watch, like, I can't even over-exaggerate the fact of how little golf I watched. Like, I don't watch any golf.

I didn't really know. I mean, I know what Tiger Woods is. I'm not idiot, but I didn't, like, I never watched him do, like, for a master's weekend or anything like that. So then are you, after reading the biography, are you a fan now? Or do you, or what are your thoughts on Tiger? You see, I mean, my big takeaway from that book, I don't know if you guys have read it, it's called The Big Miss. It's by Hank Haney, his swing coach and his old string coach.

And my major takeaway was just that that guy seemed kind of salty, Hank Haney. And I didn't blame him. It sounded like Tiger was kind of a dick to him. But, I mean, it's like, my real takeaway was like, man, the guys seemed kind of salty that Tiger was such a dick. But I guess that's what you sign up for if you're going to work with, like, the best athlete in the world. Like, I think all best athletes are pretty much dicks.

I was just kind of trying to get to a point where I was going to be insanely jealous of you that you could have this Tiger Woods fandom, have no idea what he accomplished, and then go back on the internet and just rewatch him winning tournaments and have yourself like the greatest two months of all time. That sounds incredible. but I'm not sure that I'm ready to give my like 100% fan allegiance just strictly to Tiger yet. Not because I know what he's accomplished. Hey, listen, I'm not idiot.

But dude, I have to do my research. I have to learn more about these other golfers. Like right off the, right off the rip, I don't know a lot about a lot of golfers, but I love the guy, the DeCambo. Is that his name? Yeah, Bryson. Yeah, I just like how Jackie is. And he wore like this cool hat one time I was watching.

So he's on my radar. Tigers, of course, is on my radar. And then, you know, and my favorite golfers myself, because I can't look up these guys too much. Just one day I might have to compete against them or their children if I'm on maybe, you know, later in my life. Right, I was going to say these are competitors of yours. And, you know, you're going to have to struggle with what people struggle with

with Tiger. You know, they say like, they grow up, you know, enjoying the way this guy plays. They like to watch and learn from them. But then all of a sudden you have to try and, you know, slay this beast who's, you know, like a mythical creature, you're going to have to go out there when you hit the tour and you're going to have to be playing against these guys like Bryson. Who is a big time nerd, by the way?

I don't want you jumping on Bryson's bandwagon too early. The guy sprays his balls with water bottles to recreate the dew, the morning dew on his balls. I mean, I'm not the biggest Bryson fan, but if that's the route you want to go, if you want to go the scientific route, then he's your guy. Wait, who's your guy? You guys all just all tiger? We're a huge Tigerwood jokeoff fest.

Yeah, we just jerk our dicks to Tiger Woods. That's really all we do. Correct. I mean, I still like Tiger. Like, I'm in on Tiger, but also I feel like it'd be fun to support someone who's like new and upcoming, you know, and still has their best state of them.

Justin Thomas is a good guy to root for. You could be a Tommy Fleetwood guy. You guys got similar hair. Ooh. Guys with flowing locks. Maybe look into Tommy Fleetwood. Yeah, I'm going to look into Tommy Fleetwood. Also, are there any guys that have long hair on the tour?

Tommy Fleetwood. Tommy Fleetwood is the only guy that I really know of. He fucks, though. He fucks hard. If you're interested in Euros, Caleb, another guy, Matthew Fitzpatrick, another English guy. He's kind of a little guy, but we like him a lot. You should put him on your radar. Yeah, I'm going to put you guys on my radar, and I am excited to, like, start

watching golf tournaments and following like the professional season but I also had to keep my focus on myself like I can't I can watch and try to learn from these guys but the chance of me ever you know be able to compete with them if I'm just sitting around you know and jerking myself watching them is it's slim to none I'm going to have to probably be pretty busy I ever tried to call rigs and see how we could golf in New York City because I know that's going to be tough it is tough playing golf in new york city's the worst fucking place to try to play unless you got a membership somewhere which obviously you don't yet but i will say that if you're um you know a pro it becomes a lot easier i think that that's like good good PR and good standing for the club so i think if you reach out as kind of an aspiring pro you probably have a little bit better luck correct are you a member somewhere rick no well technically he's not but i I mean, have you seen he's just living at Pioneer? So, I mean, he's not a member there, but honorary member has been tossed around, correct?

Yeah, moral compass, honorary member, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Yeah, that's, what you guys are doing is, like, it's not exactly what I want to do, but I also, I think that you guys are living in the dream. Like, I want to take it a little bit different of a direction and be focused mainly on the playing. But you guys have it, you guys have it because you have it so good because you play, and you look you are you have it pretty much from all angles you guys have it the whole golf world cornered by the balls you have it by the throat it's really impressive to watch well you know i think we we really the only time we've ever had it by the balls was when we beat kevin kisner like a week ago he's another one caleb that you should probably put on your radar uh you know southern boy he's aakin south carolina boy so i think you guys might might have that little connection

So put kids on your radar too. But yeah, I mean, we're not really good at playing golf, but collectively we actually become one player who's not bad. And so if you're interested in something like that, you know, that might be a little. Dude, I'm not, but I'm not. I am doing all the way focused on becoming a professional. Listen, I know that it's going to take me probably 10 years, 20 years.

How long are these kids? I was trying to do the math. Like, you're a kid, you pick up a golf club, you're five years old, you take lessons, you become like really good by 15 and then by what, 20? Are you going pro? So that's 15 years. Yeah. So if I'm 27 now, that means that what, 42?

I'll have a shot. 43? Yep. You got to be willing to stick it out. You're going to, there's going to be plateaus. You're going to get frustrated. It's the most frustrating game in the world. But I think you are mentally strong enough to be able to fight through that.

I do feel like you're going to need a like an overbearing parental presence to be successful. Yeah, that would help. Yeah, like a helicopter mom. Right. So I don't know. We've got to find one of those. Caleb, I want you to dabble in the long drive players as well.

I want you to take a look at some of those guys because you're, you come from a very cool cat demeanor, right? And golfers tend to be these like nerdy, by the book, country club i want you to look at a guy um like this guy kyle berkshire he's the number one long drive competitor he's got the long golden locks he's got him flowing he hits the ball 400 and whatever yards he drops absolute bombs or salacious seeds as uh film make a so like to call him salacious salacious um it's close yeah it was close but that's like I want you to dabble in that because I don't want to steer you away from being a professional golfer,

but if you could become a long drive champion, it almost fits your demeanor more. I mean, that's technically professional golfer, but the problem with that is that it's not really like, you know, you get, I think you get some respect with that. Like people are like, that's pretty cool. And you might even get more like YouTube views. But the thing that is coveted by everyone, no one grows up and they want to become a long drive champion. And they grow up playing golf trying to go pro. They realize they can't do it.

And then they kind of fork off into the long drive game. That's how at least I would imagine this. But you have to keep – Guys, listen to this. I've been reading these couple of these little books about golf and trying to just learn about the game itself. You know, just the ones that come highly recommended. One of them was like golf is not a game of perfect.

I read the Harvey Pinnock's Little Red Book, the Tiger book. And then what's the one with this, the five fundamentals of golf. I listened to that one on an audiobook, and then I'm going back right now, and I'm reading it to get, fully cement everything into my brain. But the thing I noticed about all these people,

these coaches or these famous guys in golf, they all had a point. They write about in their book. Hank Haney was one of them. Harvey Pinnock was one of them, who said, you know, early in their career, earlier while they're aspiring golf,

they saw someone who was so good to hit the ball and they were like oh wow and that was a moment I realized that I probably would never be pro and then they completely divert their careers or they divert their paths based on the assumption that they're not good enough to do it and I highlighted all those and I was like that's just about the biggest weakness you could ever have as an as aspiring anything is to say right at the beginning of when you could be getting good that you're never going to be able to accomplish it so I'm not even thinking about being a long drive champion. I'm not thinking about anything other than being 47 years old out of my prime of barstool and entering my prime of professional golf.

Wow. I think that's beautiful. Nothing's going to get in your way, it sounds like. I don't foresee anything getting my way. I mean, I might have kids or something, or, you know, that might be, that might be probably my biggest obstacle, but at this time, I don't. So I just have to deal with what I have. Like Michael Scott didn't have kids because you didn't want to ruin his hockey career. Yes, exactly. What's your status, Caleb, with, like, golf fashion? That's a big part of the game, I feel like?

Yeah, I'm trying to establish, like, my own aesthetic. So, like, I have a, I've had a couple ideas. I'll tell you, I'll run you guys through my ideas. I haven't literally settled on anything yet. One, I thought about being the baggy guy, just everything baggy. The reason I like that idea is because I just prefer clothes baggies. So like baggy pants, baggy shirt, baggy everything. Right.

That's probably the leader in the clubhouse, as you guys probably say, golf. No pun. No pun. Number two, I also like the idea of just wearing a green jacket. Like, I already won the masters. Like, just put it in my head, like, and just put it in everyone else's head. Like, this guy in his mind is already the champion of Augusta. So, you know, we're dealing with a different type of animal here.

I don't know if that's allowed. I don't know that's legal. That's my favorite so far. Yeah, I, I, yeah, you show up on the first tee in a jacket while wearing a green jacket. That's good. So good. I just wear that literally every time I play I wear a green jacket. All right.

What's the, what's the third one? The third one I had was to wear, because whenever I'm doing like an interview piece or bar school or doing like a journalistic piece, I always wear a large suit. I thought maybe just letting that carry over and that can just be my overall brand. It can just kind of trickle into my golf career as well. I like that. So like if you start a tournament on Thursday with, you can start with baggy clothes even if you wanted to, but then if you make it to the weekend on Sunday,

those clothes are just hanging off of you. They just continue to get bigger and bigger as the weekend goes on. Right. If I make the cut, it's like then the jack comes out. Another good one. The second and third, those are tied for my favorite. Yeah.

I definitely just want to have a thing. I want to have a thing. It's like, oh, yeah, that's that guy. He's the guy with the long hair. and he, you know, he, whatever, whatever his thing is. I just want to, I don't want it to be random. I don't want it to be like every time you watch me play,

it's a guessing game what I'm going to wear. I like it. It's a page of Tiger Wooden's book. He wears red on Sundays and you know what you're going to get. Exactly. And I don't know why he just did, like, everyone's like, yeah, Tiger Woods is a killer on Sundays when he's wearing the red. Like, why doesn't he just wear that t-shirt every day?

I don't know. I thought of it. I hadn't thought of it that way. He should just wear the red everything. single time out. Imagine Tiger shows him to the master. He's wearing red on Thursday and then Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and he wins the

Masters and he's just like, I knew I was going to win from the first time I teed up. Dude, do you think that there's, is there a senior tour for the mat? Like, does a senior tour go to the Masters? No. No. Oh, does it? Obviously, that would be awesome to one day beat Tiger on the senior tour while he's on a senior

tour and he's wearing his red shirt on Sunday and I'm just wearing his red shirt on Sunday and I'm just wearing a green jacket before I even won the Masters playing on Sunday at the Masters. Yeah, there's a little bit of, you know, people aren't quite sure if it would ever make sense or be normal if Tiger Woods showed up as like a 61-year-old beating up on like other 61-year-olds in a red shirt. I don't know that like the window passes when you're that old. I don't know that he can do that.

But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I feel it'll just be a weird look. Tiger shows up as an old man wearing the red and black. Like when Tiger, right, you can play the Masters until basically the day you die. If you win the Masters, and a lot of times they're doing like ceremonial show up.

You know, their guys are in their freaking 60s, 70s playing the Masters. Like, is Tiger still, if he makes a cut or so, is he going to show up in like red on the Sunday? I don't know if he's that old. I hope so. I mean, it's the only way we're going to get a Caleb B. Tiger showdown is if he's, if he plays he's in the master's that long. I'm rooting for it now. Guys, guys, I have an unrelated question for you, a serious question. Sure. What do you think is, so I can't go around saying I'm going to be pro and then just

like say it and then have no one to hold me accountable. What do you guys think will be realistic goals timeline-wise? You know, when do I need to be like, you know, so I've been playing for three weeks. I haven't kept score yet. Like, when do I need to keep my first score? When do I need to be a scratch golfer? Like what is the timeline for this to happen, make it to make it realistic? Wow. I would say I like the idea of not keeping score for a while. I would say several months. Just go out there, focus on having a good time, focus on the process, don't focus on the result. I would say maybe two or three months in, start keeping score. Get a baseline. And then how long do I have before I need to be a scratch golfer?

you take it by 10 stroke increments so you try and break 100 and then from there your next goal is to break 90 and your next goal from there is to break 80 your next goal from there is to shoot even par and then once you're consistently shooting even par you are now a scratch golfer and then you can start you know taking your tests and trying to get your pGA tour card and you start joining the corn fairy tour at the age of whatever 42 43 years old and you're going to be a huge story a huge success story this blogger slash interview connoisseur turned pro golfer at the age of 44 years old. A guy who called his shot by announcing it from the front seat of a car 15 years ago, and here he is. You are. You're going to be a huge media story. But take it in those increments, right? Like, shoot, like, write those goals. Do a Tiger Woods thing and, like, listen to war tapes that say, like, break 100, break 100. Like, constantly think about that goal and then try and achieve that. And if you continuously have those new goals, at some point you're going to be playing against Tiger Woods.

That's just a fact, right? Like if you continuously achieve those goals, you will become a pro-gallfer, which is hilarious to say, but it's also true. Like, I'm not even fucking around. If you achieve those goals, you become a pro golfer. Yeah? Yeah, no, dude, that's what my whole thing is. I'm 100% with you.

You know what's crazy, Frankie? If you could, if you worked your ass off and you could shave one stroke, off of year round every like month in a couple years you'd be like the best player in the world correct again I think we're explaining what Caleb is trying to do pretty sure I'm saying this is why I wanted to have him on the show because now I'm like first it's a joke oh what's Caleb doing out here he's hitting the ball sideways he's making he's trying to become a pro and then like now I'm talking myself into it like now now it's real right you just you set goals and you try and achieve them, and as you progress, you move up the rank.

And you're starting from a guy, you're starting from an athletic person, right? Like he has a history of being incredibly athletic. A very low percentage of people make it to be a D1 football player. And now you're starting that. I think, yeah, I mean, it does. It starts out as a joke. Why couldn't Cale become a professional golf? Maybe for the first time in golf history, we have a golfer here that has read every mental book under the sun.

before he's figured out how to make clear contact with the golf ball. So he's so mentally strong without having even the slightest bit of athleticism with the swing. So who knows what's going to happen when he gets the swing down? He is so mentally strong from reading every book that's ever been written about golf. That has to be the complete opposite of how every other golfer has ever done it. Usually you play golf, you get to a certain point. You're like, why can't I get to that next level? Oh, yeah, my mental side of the game is lacking.

I haven't thought about that part. That's a whole new world that I need to carve into. Caleb has that. Caleb's the biggest. He's got the biggest brain on tour already. Guys, it can't. There is no reason why it can't be done. I started with the mental.

Then I hurt my knees, so I was forced. And I think it was probably God playing his hand in the whole thing. He hurt my knees right from the jump. So I've just been on the putting green for the last two weeks. I don't know if I'm even going to progress to where I'm actually practicing anything outside of putting and reading golf books. Well, maybe three months into my career. Because you win it in your mind and you win it on the greens. Am I right?

Arguably the most important stuff that you need to learn in golf, you are prioritizing and you're figuring it out before you've even stepped on the first two, which is hilarious. And also putting you light years ahead of your competitors who are right now, five and six years old. So you're out there at the age of 26 and you have four. five-year-old out there who don't even know their own name yet they can't they're shitting their pants they can't read they're jumping in pools without floaties on

they're figuring out life and you're out there on a green reading books you're telling me right now now this is a fact you're telling me right now that Caleb doesn't have an upper hand on his future competition he absolutely does you're already the best golfer in the world among the people who are potentially going to be your competitors when you become pro Yeah, like the class of 2043, the pro class of 2043, I am right now the number one rank only because I'm the only one who can read and hit the ball 200 yards. But with that being said, I am number one. Those things don't.

Yeah, it's because of those things, but it doesn't change the truth that you are the number one rank among the class of 2043. Right. You can just stay ahead. You're going to just win. That's right. Like in 2043, someone will be the number one ranked player in the one. world and you are currently ahead of that person. Correct. Right. It's actually maybe not even,

I was kind of thinking, I was thinking like whenever my story is told that it would be like a documentary to be made about me, but it actually may be a bigger upset story if a five-year-old now was able to overcome me and them, though, bro, and not, it be not me. That might be a bigger upset story. Right. Yeah. Unfortunately, what we're talking about right now is it's pressure. Like all the pressure is on you, which we want your mind to be free. We want you swinging free. We want you reading free, putting free. But that's true.

If a five-year-old right now comes along someday and beat you as a number one golfer, you have failed. Yeah. Yeah, technically, yes. Yeah. If you don't lose to a 12-year-old because then that really sets you back. What the fuck, Frank? I thought we're on the same team now ever since that's a good.

So we're talking about five-year-olds, 12 is not that far off if you think about it. He looks like a five-year-old, I'll tell you that much. He does. Gail, are you going back to New York right now? No, not right now. I'm coming back. I was on a boys' golf trip, actually, this weekend. We were at New Smyrna and Florida,

and so we played about 36 holes and just worked on our games and just improved together and just got better together and set goals and dreams together. A lot of pros do iron out their games down in Florida. So, I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. I was thinking, like, there was part of, there was literally part of me. It was like, I told you this rigs privately.

I was like, I might not be able to go back to New York City. Like, I might just have to move to, you know, like Jupiter, Florida and just get going now. So I know time is not on my side, but I am going to be going back to New York, I guess, after July 4th, they opened the office back up. Well, I'm excited to see you, my man. I mean, you've lifted my spirits today. I don't want to keep gas in you out because I know. I'm not going to get the same in return. So I've learned my lesson in the beginning of this show.

But I wish you all- I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying, dude. I think I gashed you up more than you gassed me up. You just didn't understand what I was saying. Well, that often happens with me. Things always fly over my head. But I appreciate that. I appreciate you confirming that.

I'm looking forward to seeing your progress in this world and this life that you're now taking on. I want to play golf with you. I hope that we can collaborate and we can see your progress. at some point because I'm on Caleb Presley's team. I now... I'm a fan of the number one golfer of the year 2043 right now.

I am. Yes, sir. All right. Yeah, we're rooting for you, Caleb. You got three guys pulling for you. If you need any help, you just let us know. You guys are the first three guys rooting for me, so I appreciate that. I won't forget about that when the day comes for you guys to get your day in the sun.

Okay. Fantastic. Yeah, we'll be. your media outlet too whenever you want to get a message out to your fans or respond to some of golf's kind of bigger issues going on you know will be your vehicle for that the only thing we really want to do well is like give you fist bumps after the 18th green after you win a tournament that's like we've really honed that down um so just remember to walk over to us in those designated areas behind the ropes and then just give us that fist bump because that usually does good number socially no i know i've seen

what you guys can do it's incredible so i'll be ready for that moment if it happens. Okay. Awesome. We'll drive safe, Caleb. All right. See you guys. Appreciate you having me on.

All right. See you, bro. Thanks, hey, Caleb. And that was just a guy trying to be cool out of me.

See that? Did you hear how? Did you hear how? That's just me crying for help right there. What? I said like a see you, bro. Like, it was too much.

Like I was, Caleb is five brothers. You're like, you're like Paul Rudd and I love you, man. You can leave the messages? How many years? How many years.

and how many times I'll hang out with Caleb, I'll never just feel, I'll never feel comfortable. I always got to be on my toes. I always got to try and think, because, like, I'm not cool, right? You're always trying to be somebody. It's always very unnatural. Like, I've gone out to dinner with them,

and I'm trying to order things that are, like, cool, and I'm, like, spitting the food out into napkins and shit because I don't like them. He's eating, like, very raw meat and, like, sipping on fucking cognac. And I'm like, can I have a Coke and chicken fingers? But I'm, I really power through it. But that's just the vibe that Caleb gives off.

He is, no, he's easily the coolest person I've ever met. Like, I mean, I mean that sincerely. He is just a cool guy. He gives, I think he would agree to this, or agree with this, that he kind of got like a cult leader vibe with the long hair and the, you know, just cool swagger about him. But he is just. Like a Waco guy.

Yes. Right? Is that what it is? Yeah. Hangs out with cool people. Like he wears cool clothes. I mean, my first ever experience of Caleb. Presley was we were in Cleveland.

It was my first trip that Dave brought me on, and they expected me to figure, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. It was my first week on the job, and they're like, you have to produce a live pregame Boston Red Sox at the Cleveland Indians show with Jared Karavis and like the bus is going to be there and all this shit. And like, and also like the Browns were playing against the Patriots at the same weekend. And it was fucking so much work. I had to do all these codec tried.

that shit and the internet connection didn't work. I was one week on the job days like Frankie Borrelli, what the fuck are you doing? Like figure it out. There's a whole crowd. Anyway, my first ever experience was after all that nightmare happened. They all went into the game and I didn't go in and they're like, oh, go meet like Caleb or whatever. And Caleb was the bus boy Benny.

And they were just on the Dixie tour bus like going to get wings and like they brought me under their wing and I just like listen to them talk about like amazing stories from this like tour and busboy benny was like the nicest dude of all time yeah for people i've met best boy bus boy bunny as well for people who obviously me you probably don't know who he is he is a extremely tall extremely good looking man with long hair and the body of like a greek god he's thor yes he is thor yeah he is that's so those two people and frankie beryl that's what was going on that right but that's just the vibe that kale gives up you know it's like i was like he's my age and i was like ooh and on and like oh this guy is

cool wearing he wears like baggy clothes and like you know it's like almost when michael scott wants to look like jim he's like moving his hair around and he's like oh and like he's like taking the gel out of his hair and trying to make a hook hole and shit that's how i feel around fucking caleb i'm always messing around my hair and like if i see caleb i like undo my shirt i don't know what that means but i do how long you think Caleb's got it and in golf think he's committed? I think once the weather gets cold and it's over. Yeah. I think he's going to go hard this summer.

I mean, unless you start hitting fucking simulators with us and shit, that would be hilarious. But, I mean, no one's rooting for Caleb more than me. I would love to see him start striping the golf ball. I think it'd be hilarious. It will be when he post that first video of him just ripping one, too.

The progress is so funny. Also, what if he, this would be a very caleb thing to do? What if he's like playing this for a fool? He said he's never played before but maybe he's been playing his whole life and he's it's like the end of usual suspects when he starts walking normal again it's like maybe he's been doing that the whole time he's going to come out and he's going to be really good unless the videos are fake i mean i've seen the videos of the swing it looks like his whole bodies in one of those concrete suits and all that moves is his arm

yeah you're telling me you couldn't you couldn't fake a bad golf swing honestly we don't have to right right you know what i'm saying the way he hit that ball i i think You give him a million chances to try and hit the ball sideways like that. I don't think he hits it that bad. That's fair. I'm rooting for him, though. I think it'd be great for the game of golf in 22 years if he becomes the number one golf in the world. Or even like a serviceable PJ tour pro.

That's Caleb Presley. You can follow along on his social channels. He's a good athlete. He might have a shot. He might be better than us someday. The internet seems to think so already. Oh, yeah. I know, yeah, he's already, he's going to be better than me in three weeks.

Like as soon as he, you know, his knees heal up and, and he gets to swing the club a few more times, he's going to already be better than me. I know people are chomping at the bit to say that he's better than me. I'm going to get out in front of that and say he is going to be better than me very, very soon. So cover golf, like, oh, the whole thing. I mean, the people are loving anyone. People act like no one golf in the world. It's crazy to me.

Like, I mean, everyone loves the golf. That's why it's the best sport to play. and like, whatever. Many people at Barstle, like this weekend, like Glenny Balls, I saw Pat from Barstall breakfast, hubs, a bunch of people. Golf is a sport of the people. Do you want the breakdown of tournaments,

like fucking who's hitting what? Go watch CBS. It's on TV. That's who's breaking down the sport of golf. We like to talk about my grundle getting hit by fucking some powder, and us hitting bombs and hellacious seeds and just, shooting the shit. I watch other coverage

to see the breakdown of golf. You think we're going to break down the game of golf to like a molecular level? That's never going to happen, you assholes. It's the same people with the handicapped police. They get under, they drive me up a wall. I will say. I don't have to care anymore.

There's bigger problems. You definitely still care. I will say this. The handicapped police are fucking, they're at the golf course now too. It's almost like butternives. Whenever I say something, annoys me or I can't get it out of my head.

That's when people on the golf court, like, now someone's screaming, I like shanked one today and someone's like, a 9.2. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like from across the fucking fairway, they're screaming my handicap. I scream back, it's a computer system. I pointed at my phone. I don't make it up. I think some of those people might be impressed by the architect

to talk in this very show. I think, you know, they don't usually get that. I think I'm going to get a lot of tweets and DMs about wanting to play Knives Creek. And I'm going to let you guys know right now. It's going to be months before that thing is ready because I'm not just putting out some shitty product. I'm kind of like, Kayla, I'm going to take my time. I'm going to make, like, when I say I'm going to make this thing look legit, like, I'm going to spend time on, like, the fucking, you can put everything in there. Like, even the way the cart pass go and, like, where they drift off.

And, like, on the sides of the car pass, do you want to put flowers? And if so, what color? Do you want to do different shadings of the pinks and the whites of the flowers? And do you want to have that roll off into like a nice little bay somewhere or something? I don't know. The first thing I need to figure out is what environment do I want? Do I want a tropical, like Florida type? Do I want a mountain rangey type?

Florida golf sucks. You don't want a floor. Right. Do I want mountain rangey type with a lot of undulation? Do I want like what kind of style golf course? I'm leaning towards more of like a New York style. Well, that would make sense. trees.

You also, yeah, you do need to tamper expectations because you don't, you don't want people like for weeks being like, where the fuck is Knives Creek? It's going to take months. Right. It legitimately takes a whole day to do one part of one hole. Because I'm hitting R1, R3, and then like the world is exploding out of the water and you, like, try and get it back, and then you've got to restart. I've tried to do hole one before, and it took me three hours, and I stopped.

I'm already so far down the line on Knives Creek. I'm thinking about merch for Knives Creek. I'm thinking about all that would show. That would be awesome. We would sell sick merch from Knives Creek. Are you fucking kidding me? A butter knife coming out of a creek? Just think about all the great golf merch that we have and all the courses.

Two, yeah. Two knives with a creek going in the middle underneath it. Are you kidding me? Come on, bro. Give me Knives Creek, man. All right. Work hard on it, though. You'll work hard.

I'm getting to work on Knives Creek. We're going to have a hot. Highly elevated first tea shot with a little bit of water so that you can't dribble it. And we're going to have a huge, nice landing area. Maybe a 420, 421 yard par four to start off. It's going to be a tough hole. It's going to be a big driving hole. I love challenge you.

I love that you've described basically you said it's going to be an elevated tea. And then the 18th, you get to come uphill. Like, you're just describing Beth Page Black. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, we've had on this show two eventual golf titans. Caleb Presley is going to be the future number one golf from the world,

and Frankie Burelli is going to be the future world-renowned golf course architect on video games. It's really been a special show. And here, I'm going to, I'll put out a call here, too. If you are an experienced golf game architect, like I'm fine with partnering up with some architects. and if you want to do some of the legwork, and you want to help me out, maybe we can both hop in some days and I can do like some guest architects

for whole one, two, three, and shit like that. I'll fucking figure it out. I got to get this thing done. I don't know if I technically have it yet, but I'll do the work, I'll do the homework, I'll figure it out. I'm a learner.

I'll use my brain. I'll sit in front of that fucking screen for hours and figure out how to make the undulations move and all the creeks and stuff. I just got to get a creek in there. That's the biggest thing. I got to figure that out.

I'll get it together with the merch team. We'll start selling knives, Creek merch and we'll just Let me get it done for it. Dude, it's going to take, now people are going to want it like tomorrow. It's going to take months, like legitimate months to make this golf course. I want a Knives Creek, you know, quarters zip right now. I want a Knives Creek hoodie right now.

Hoodie. I got to get a hoodie, dude. No way Knives Creek is a real golf course. Oh yeah, look it up. With Frankie's like signature on the back of it, it's like Knives Creek and then the hoodie has like Frankie's signature. Imagine this just. Knives Creek is not a.

those two words have never been put together so we're fine do whatever legal work you have to do so because people are going to want to go after now too oh fuck yeah yeah well now what get the domain can you buy the domain right now how fuck am i gonna buy the domain can knives creek dot com someone's gonna make knives creek dot com like a big swinging like dick or something it's horrible for our brand the first real piece of work and frank he's like ah i don't know what to do it takes two seconds it's like i mean i'm not i'm not a place for Knives Creek domain, right? I mean, come on.

What am I going to go on go daddy.com? Like, what are we doing here? Maybe. We may have to block this out because someone's absolute, some assholes absolutely going to take this and there's nothing we can do of that. We're in like a year, we're going to pay like 20 grand for Knives Creek.com.

Because Frankie didn't want to get it right now. Someone better not make that golf course. Let me have this, right? Like, let me do it. Just everyone just be very calm and cool, collect. Don't make your own Knives Creek. because even if it is, it's just going to be a fucking fake.

I'm going to make it. You guys are all going to play it. Just let it happen. Like, give me some time. I'm going to make a masterpiece and I'm going to invite you all to my golf court. It's going to be fun. All right, Seth Rainer, get to it.

We'll be back on Thursday. There'll be real golf going on. There'll be professional PJ Thor golf on Thursday when we come back. Have a lovely week. We'll see you then. Hope you enjoyed. I'll be looking forward to Knives Creek. Hit it hard.

Hit it hard. Hit it hard.