Fore Play - Kobe; Red Sweater Tiger; And the “Golfing” Debate Has Returned

Episode Date: January 28, 2020

The tragic accident that took 9 lives, including Kobe Bryant’s, was shocking news that affected everyone in some way. We react to the horrible tragedy then breakdown Tiger Woods’ 2020 debut, everything that went down at Torrey Pines including Patrick Reed getting no TV time, Bryson getting a slow play warning in Dubai, Spieth falling outside the top-50, and much more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Fourplay, I presented by Bart Stool Sports. We are back. Tiger Woods has played in a golf tournament. Kind of a sad time, obviously, as a sports fan, I don't, you know, we're not a basketball podcast, but we're like pretty much 24 hours off the news of Kobe. I guess everybody listening now, it's been like two days, but while we're,

day yesterday out at the farmers pretty much like right after they got going and they're on the golf course the news broke it's southern california it's coby country uh just kind of a kind of a wild time i don't know how really to address it on this podcast but i i think we were talking last night at dinner uh i think that the coby news was probably like the single most shocking piece of news maybe since like September 11th and I know it's not as big obviously and it's not

like it's not as big as war like when war breaks but war like happens over time and you kind of know what's coming and all this that but like can you remember a more shocking piece of news to consume than than Kobe news breaking yesterday? I would say no. It's like when the news

got broken to me it was a it took a half hour before I believe it. Like we, TMZ broke it. Robbie Fox, my roommate, he broke it to me. And he said, at one point we were watching a movie, he just said, oh shit. And then he didn't say anything. And I thought in my head, the longer he doesn't say anything, the worst that this is going to be. And then he finally, after like 45 seconds, was like, I think Kobe Bryant died in a helicopter accident. And then you're just sort of like trying to get confirmation. And it's a little bit of chaos. But I, we didn't believe it for the first half an hour. And then unfortunately, the news starts to get confirmed.

and more and more news trickles out. And yeah, it was a stunning, stunning thing. And I had said last night, I was kind of going through my timeline of Twitter that day. And I stumbled upon the video that I'm sure we're going to talk about of Tiger on the second hole at Torrey Pines, hits a beautiful chip, double bounces, goes in the hole, comes out. And I looked at that video later that night.

And I was like, that feels like it was 100 years ago. Yeah. Because the day was so filled with other news that was more important and more pressing that it really felt like it happened like a couple of years ago it was insane yeah it was it was awful the more news that that came out obviously about who else is on the helicopter his 13 year old daughter everyone sharing the videos about how close they were it really made everything else seem completely meaningless as it should have and uh and yeah just think like the combination of star power of how young he was 41 of how he had basically done an insanely good job of

building like a second part of his life after basketball is over and he just was a larger than life person and figure and to have it break like that to have it the news break that that's how he went down i just think it was i mean it was almost like the most shocking thing that's happened in my adult life it was crazy to follow and then of course us uh you know golf podcasts were following tory pines tiger woods hasn't played golf in over a month so it's successful to see him out there in the red sweater. Then the news breaks. He had Kobe were close.

Tiger was a Lakers fan his entire life. He's a big basketball guy. He made the comment to us basketball time, which was one of our big moments with our interaction with Tiger. So clearly he's a big basketball guy. The Kobe News, it kind of broke. Right when CBS came on, they made a comment that like midway through his round that Tiger had been told by Joey.

And then it was kind of this weird thing where people were almost like the coverage was actually excusing some of his play, it felt like, as like, yeah, it's tough for anybody to concentrate right now. And then it kind of came out that, like, he didn't know afterwards, which was then they captured his moment where he did find out where he said, excuse me, and everybody's kind of going back and forth on, like, should they be intrusive on athletes in this moment to capture that stuff? Like, is that the appropriate thing to do?

So it was just the whole thing was shocking, sad, tough to handle. And it did make everything else, all the golf seem like pretty damn meaningless after that news broke. I mean, everything seems meaningless. It's like one of those things I was telling Trent, it's like someone like Kobe passing away, especially the way it happened. And obviously his daughter and all the other people in the helicopter, which is just horrible. It's like, and you think about the other people in there too. We actually like, I parcel joke about that kind of thing where like we'll be on the plane and we'll be like, oh, like you don't want to be with someone that's more famous because like honestly it is horrible that these families. Like there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a brother and a sister that lost their mom, dad and little sister all in one second and like you know no one's talking about that family that literally lost their entire life they lost their entire family. Yeah. So it's just like when something like this happens to me, it's almost it's harder. I was telling Trent like someone like Kobe Bryant passes away. It's almost more real than like when a family member or someone that you know passes away because we feel mortal. Like we're like all right like that's life. You die. Your parents, your grandparents die. Like they pass away.

Kobe Bryant, like to us, especially our age group, doesn't die, like, while we're still, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I agree with you. Kobe Bryant is just a name, a figure that you look on TV. He's someone that's just in Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods. They don't pass away. Yeah. They are just superhuman, larger than life humans. To Riggs's point, like most shocking news, and I haven't really thought about that until you proposed a question.

But, like, you know, school shootings or tragedies or the shooting in Vegas, like super, shocking news, celebrity deaths are just so wild because you feel like you know that person. It just doesn't make sense in any way, rhyme or reason, and all the people on the helicopter that passed. Oh, that makes me sick. Yeah, it's just why, you know? Think about that too. There with Kobe Bryant.

Like, nothing's like, yeah. I saw a tweet the other day. Kobe Bryant's helicopter, like, fine. Yeah. Yeah. I saw a tweet the other day that was like something that's forgotten in this world that needs to be focused on is just how amazing it is just to return home every day, like healthy, happy, and, you know, okay, you know, and just like physically and mentally okay, you know,

and like how you just let that go in so many different instances and just don't think about, you know, how awesome it is to have tomorrow, you know, tomorrow's like not guaranteed, but when things like this happen, it makes you reflect on so many different things. And yes, to like the golf, it becomes, you know, so meaningless. And Tiger didn't know, but like people were saying, like, do it for Mamba. And he didn't really know what that meant at the time and how crazy it would be for Tiger to reflect on that, not know during your round because you're so focused on, you know, his job and, you know, what he feels like is so important at that time.

But, you know, what always is important is like family, friends and happiness and just general health. And it was. It was just like, it's news that takes you back every time. Yeah, we stress on the littlest things in life. This podcast, are you kidding me? Like everything. We just, we're always our, like, just our world. is just all about like little nonsense.

And then you could have the most perfect life. You can be the most athletic person in the world. You can have all the money in the world. You can have a perfect family, perfect father-daughter relationship, the whole thing. You're doing the right thing. You're going to a practice. And then everything can just end in a second.

It's so fucking horrifying. It is. Kobe was a guy, too, like, he was one of the good guys in sports, you know? Like a Reggie Wayne wide receiver type where you just, you thought he was a really good person for at least in my eyes like in one way or another um and yeah it was just a shocker he's yeah it's it's crazy he's tiger woods level it's yeah yeah everything i mean everything everybody said it's it's true it's hard to it was genuinely difficult to process and and and like you said lurch like there's there's definitely been

a ton of events that are that are awful on a massive scale but i think like in terms of of like once the news hit it just was like you knew like what once it was confirmed after 30 minutes or whatever after we saw on twitter that it wasn't like a rollout of like of of like okay how big is this or that it was like wait this person is gone how could that be possible and it was just so shocking in the moment it just it's celebrity deaths again like happened and there's a been a lot of them that suck but this one and then when it did when those other details then did come out. It was like you said, like there's seven other souls on there as well. His young daughter, how close they were. It's like the whole thing just put a ton into perspective.

If you're trying to take away some positives from experiences and from things like that, it does make you kind of say, okay, cherish this stuff in life. The things that we bicker about do not matter. Like if I can't get the right launching all my irons to save my life, it's literally nothing. Like, who cares? And it, I think it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, is probably a good thing on some level for people to kind of try to look at the news and be like, okay, I could be more appreciative. You know, I could call my loved ones. I can give them an extra whatever. I think that goes a long way. And it's just, it's tough. And at the end of the day, like, we're golf podcasts. We're going to continue to talk about golf. There's a lot of golf to

break down from the past weekend. Tiger first start of the year. He finished tied for ninth. he looked pretty damn good. He had a couple rusty moments that probably sent him back. He ended up six strokes back from Leishman, who won. But overall, I thought Tiger looked really good. He hadn't played since the President's Cup. He said he didn't touch a club for a couple weeks afterwards. And then, you know, he came out.

He fired, I think, 3 under 69 in the first round. He had the four putt to kick off the second round, which was very bizarre. But again, kind of rust. I think if you look at his golf swing, he had the new Sim driver in play. He's still hitting it pretty damn far and far enough to obviously be able to compete at the highest level. He's still going to be one of the best iron players of all time.

His short game, I thought, still looked really good. His putting stroke still looked really good. He was just a little rusty here and there. At the end of the day, it came up, what, a shot and a half per round short of winning the golf tournament, which is nothing. So all in all, I thought pretty damn good. showing from tiger i don't know if you guys had any golf takes for tiger outside of that i mean the first hole at torrey pines needs to be ripped up and thrown into the water something's

going on with the first hole tiger wait the first or second the first hole he has demons on the first hole he so we were talking about it rigs where he won the u.s open while what did he do that he bogeed or double bogeed the first hole three days in a row yeah he doubled it three out of the five times he played they played the playoff so three of the five times he played it he double boged Which is six over on one hole just in three, just three times. Okay. And then he, he four putts that. Was that that was Saturday or?

Friday, yeah. It's just like it sets you back. He had a great day, you know, solid day, Thursday, starts up on Friday. And all of a sudden it's like right back to, you're taking away all these strokes just by putting, four putting. He looked like lurch out there. Honestly, his four puttut was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. It was the U word. It really was.

The bogey putt. He didn't even come close on the first attempt. No. And then the second attempt was the worst put I've ever seen. 100%. He blew it by 10 feet. How about when he tried to blame it on the poa? It's like, dude, you just missed the hole and had no speed and no angle whatsoever.

But aside from, like you said, a little russ in the putting, I thought he looked really good. I thought that it was very promising for the tournaments coming up. I think that he's still in like that compete level where there was a certain times where he had to turn it on, hit really good drives. there was some hard T-shots where, you know, he couldn't go left into the water or whatever. He just ripped absolute bombs with his SIM driver where it was just like, it didn't even matter what was on the left of the right. He was hitting good shots out of the thick rough. That rough out there is insane. He was playing smart.

I mean, like I thought even yesterday, I thought there was a chance that he was going to make a run. It's just Leishman caught fire at one point. But at one point, Tiger was on like eight or seven and he was four or three back where I was like, okay. Yeah, because everybody. You make an eagle here and like tigers just in the mix. Yeah, because Rom was melting down. Everybody up top was kind of falling back. But yeah, Leishman caught fire and no was.

You know what's funny is when I was seven under on Sunday. You know what's funny when we were looking at the odds last show before it started, I was talking about speed and I was talking about Tiger. And Leishman popped up on my screen where I think he was like way down there. Like maybe just around what speed's odds were. Like I think it was like 40 to 1 or something like that. I remember thinking of my head like, we kind of like were nervous about this guy at the president's Cup.

Like they put him up against Tiger. Like the guy's kind of like a stone cold killer. Like when he gets hot, he's good. I actually remember reading his name on the, on the odds list being like, Leishman is like playing phenomenal golf right now. Why don't we throw some dollars on him? And he fucking, I remember saying that to myself in my head being like Leashman's a good pick.

And I didn't say it. No. Not a dollar. Lurch and I had lunch right next to Leach in Melbourne. We sure did. What the fuck? Yeah. He just sat down with his wife.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, at the hotel. Fuck, dude, that's your response. We went together the whole time. We've now been, like, a couple months removed from, or like a month and a half removed from Australia. We were there together, and you never once mentioned that. So I said, what the fuck?

I think we did. Really? Yeah. I don't know. That seems like news to me. There was, like, the hotel lobby, and there was a nice little restaurant off. I do remember you guys saying that. I don't remember specifically.

There was a hot stuff. We saw so many people. Webb Simpson walked by. Yeah, I remember where. Ricky walked by. There was just a ton of people, but Leishman was right there. Yeah. Leash is like sneaky.

he's the second highest ranked Australian in the world behind Adam Scott. He's ahead of Jason Day and Cameron Smith. He's pretty much looking really good for an Olympic spot for Australia. And Australia is obviously, they got some serious golf talent down there. So Leach is no joke. He's obviously like a pretty understated personality, very laid back and all that. So he's not necessarily going to get the flash of even like an Adam Scott or Jason Day or whatever. But Leash is no joke.

He makes it look very easy. He's almost got kind of Ernie L's type vibe to him, I feel like, like the Big Easy, where he's kind of cool, calm, collected. It doesn't look like he's swinging that hard, yet he's a fucking force out there and a menace to be reckoned with. And once he got it going, it was pretty clear, I think, really on the front nine that, like, Leishman's probably going to win this thing because Rom was combusting, internally combusting. You had Rory was like duck-hooking shots out of play and stuff. I don't know what was going on with him on the front nine. And it looked like Leach was going to be the most in control and that Tiger had pretty much too much real estate to make up,

too many guys in between him. But I do agree, like Thursday morning or Thursday on the first half of the round, it looked like Tiger was going to put together a very methodical, like, eight or nine under par, 63 or something like that, and all of a sudden vaulted into the lead and win at Tori Pines like he's done eight freaking times before. And then even again on Sunday, I mean, that second shot on number two, was probably the most

like I jumped out of my seat I was sitting there watching I literally when the ball jumped out of the hole I jumped off of my chair in the exact same manner like what I almost I wanted to yell at the PJ door like no that counts like that if the puck goes in and hits the back of the net it comes out that's a goal like that ball

was in the fucking hole like what was that it's a one in a billion chance that ball doesn't stay in the hole I mean we've been watching golf forever we've been playing golf for most of our lives never never not once have I that happened. Think about how hard it is to make that shot. And if you wanted to replicate that exact shot where literally you hit a wedge, perfect, rips right back into the hole and then continues to come out of the hole, I mean, that's an impossible golf shot. That's better than

making it. It is better than making it. He was 141 yards away and went absolute drain right to the center of the cup and just it didn't count. It was the most perfect golf shot I've ever seen. Two bounces. The second balance was so soft. But it checked. When it checked, it was underground in the hole is when the ball checked like you literally can't do better than that that is the most perfect golf all time and it just didn't count like how i don't i was going to spin it away from the hole i was like this fucking hole just legit shot his ball out of the ground like well you know you're not going to win when that happened i knew tiger wasn't going to win like that you can't win if that happened no i agree it's a lost tournament john rom when he was on the third hole and he went like left and everyone was like ooh and then he hacks that one out of like that brush barely gets out barely gets up the crowd

again goes oh and then he walks up there has a little chip shot that was like no problem and and duffs the chip i swear when the crowd then went oh i thought that he was going to look around and just catapult his his wedge just off the ledge like off the cliff i really thought i'm like oh my god these ooze and eyes are going to get i like that would infuriate me just like all these people like when you're at your low it's just like oh and like each duff shot it gets louder and louder like oh like he really

the whole crowd's like he did it again and he's like you motherfuckers I will take you all out one by one looking at the first person he sees and just launching his wedge right out of it since he was tied for the lead at the time and then like that just dropped him too back to Leishman Leishman just sitting there like having like an okay hole and like

watching him just implode just you John Robb is the camera the camera guys know it too like when Rom when he hits like a flubb shit shot anybody else that does that they keep it on the guy for like two or three seconds and then they pan and they're like all right here's war on four when rom does that

they zoom like you can see the fucking hairs inside of his nose they zoom right in on his face and it's just john rom is about to lose his fucking mind it's much watch tv frank he's got a video he's got a video pulled up and he paused it right the right time right after makes double on number three and rom is he's capable of anything in this moment he is capable of anything

My brother, my brother is a big fan of the John Rom, like, saga of him being a psychopath. And so when my brother texts me like, oh, something's going on here, I know that John Rom is about ready to go full Hulk on the gallery. And he looks like he's about to go on that thing that Frankie's showing. Holy shit. He kind of, he kind of kept it together. Like, he looked like he wanted to murder someone. But I didn't see him, like, I didn't see him punch his catty in the face or, like, throw his fucking putter at his golf bag or whatever. And then he ended up making a bunch of birdies and almost had a chance.

chance to win the tournament. So he kind of held it together. It's like he was close. It was like a, there's one tiny thread keeping him together and it could have gone really south or rebounded and ended up having a decent showing and he kind of rebounded. So it might be a little bit something to that, but that was kind of must watch TV when Ron was losing it. Rory too, again, with like the weird start where they were like the final group six over combined six over par through three holes, I think they were. So it was bizarre. This is very much on brand right now. They say golf is 90% mental, which means that even the smallest setbacks can have a big impact on your scorecard. Shout out John Rob. Because of that, getting a good night's sleep is important. CBDMD wants to make sure you're

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That is CBDMD.com. Promocode for play, one word, for play, 20% off your purchase of superior CBD oil products from CBDMD. How much sleep are you guys getting tonight? What's the average? What should I be getting? I'm not, I'm not huge on sleep. If I get six hours, I'm fine.

If I get eight, that's like a miracle and I'm in amazing shape for the day. I get like nine to ten hours. Yeah. I believe it's two days before. Like if I got six hours last night and ten the night before, I'd be fine today, but tomorrow I'll be smoked. I thought that I, sleep wasn't that big a deal to me. And then a couple days last week I think it was. I just couldn't fall asleep and I ended up getting like five or six hours.

I was the next day that followed it was the worst day of my life. Like I need eight hours or I'm a fucking asshole. I like to target eight, but I think seven's the line. The health people say you need eight. Yeah, but that's. Like, I think maybe as a society, we're underplaying how important sleep it. I think seven hours is the line. You want to be seven plus.

Yeah. You start going in the six range. You're in a bad spot. You can't do consistent six. I wish I could do nine or ten. That's the dream. Hey, fall asleep like 1130, 8.30? Wake up at 830.

Is that 10? No. That's like nine, right? 11, 13, 12. That's nine. Nine. All right. That's about, yeah, nine.

I'm going to start shooting for nine. I think I've been getting about seven and a half, eight. And I feel good, but I think nine would be just. We're going to place. We're allowed to get in at like 9, 30, 10. So it's like for me, I wake up at 8.30, 8.45. It's no problem. Sometimes I host the weeks that I host the radio show in the morning.

I'm also not a guy that can go to sleep early. I feel like I'm missing the world. Like, I can't go to sleep at 10 o'clock. What are you insane? Right. You're going to wake up and your phone's going to be like, oh, the biggest thing in the world happens. Correct. 10 o'clock is just way too early.

Most sporting events don't even end around 10 o'clock. Yeah, I was just curious because I, like I said, last week I got the amount that I didn't want to get, and it was a nightmare. And that's how I feel like I'm now old. I'm an old person. Sleep is very important. Sleep's vital. If I get eight hours of sleep, I feel like I could be up for three days straight. Eight hours feels like, you're great.

Having said that, in Australia, I think I had back-to-back nights where I slept for like 10 or 11 hours straight. But that's a different animal. Australia, I was a dead animal because I was doing, we were going to bed fairly late, and then I was, waking up for a 3 a.m. sales call. Yeah. I was getting no sleep in Australia. Riggs, you're also one of these people who can seem to operate like with a hangover. I can't do that either.

Like you just... Yeah, I can operate pretty much hungover and off. My goal, if I get four hours of sleep, I'll be fine the next day. That's like my minimum. If I start to get in the threes, I'm fucked. But if I get four hours of sleep or more, I'll be fine. I just know that in a day or two, I need to get like eight to ten. But I can operate on that.

And usually I can operate hungover. I just need to shower. You just shower and brush your teeth. You're a new person. That's kind of my whole thing. Okay. Tiger Woods has sort of had a bad moment for us where he said golf is not a verb. Cannot be used as a verb.

His big reasoning, which again, we had a large discussion on this whole thing. But his big reasoning was simply you wouldn't say baseballing. You wouldn't say basketballing. Why the hell would you say golfing? Everyone was tagging us in this video because we made T-shirts where you legit. say golfing on the front of them because we were trying to stick it to everyone. So, you know, I think at one point I read like

1630 line from the St. Andrews Trust or something where they referred to it as golfing. That's how deep we were in the whole thing. And then Tiger makes one comment and it feels like our whole fucking crusade is dead. No. Frankie, you take the floor because you were the staunch supporter of golf. Tiger Woods is wrong.

Oh. Well, you're about to, it's very important, Frankie. I want you to think. Tiger Woods is wrong. And I'm standing, I'm standing my ground. He's incorrect. Will you cut this guy's Mike? No.

I will not be, I will not be silenced by Tiger Woods. Even though he's the boss man, even though I love him and I, and I will do anything for Tiger Woods. I will. Actually, I won't do everything for Tiger Woods. I will not bow down in this golfing thing. It is, you don't say baseballing because they are baseball players. So they play baseball. You are not a golf.

player. You are a golfer. So you golf, you go golfing. That is the biggest difference for me. You're not a baseballer because you don't, you know, you don't do, you're not a baseballer, so you're not baseballing. You're a golfer, so you're golfing. You're not a golf player, Tiger. That's just not what you are. You are not the, keep your voice down. You're not the best golf player of all time. You're the best golfer of all time. You're the, you're the champion golfer at the at the open over that they have it on the fucking scoreboard the golfer of the year i'm with you i'm with you you don't play you're a baseball player so you play baseball you're a basketball player so you play basketball you are a golfer so you go golfing what is so hard about this

at some level there are different people who carry different weight on such matters and my only thinking is that when Tiger Woods, who is the greatest player to ever play the game, who is the greatest figure in the history of the game of golf, says, no, no, no, it's not golfing. I just think that has to be taken as gospel. I don't care about any other logic. On some level, someone is able to just say what it is. And I think that person is probably Tiger Wood. Right. If we were to create someone like, who would that person be? It would be. It would be, someone who has similar accolates to Tiger Woods. And I'm not saying I'm on any sort of level of Tiger Woods.

No. I don't think I ever will be. But the thing that pissed me the most off was that he used that term baseballing. You wouldn't say baseballing. And that's what set me off. If he was just like it's, you just say you don't say golfing because I say so, then I just agree. But him using the logic that you don't say baseballing really ticked me off because

that is what the skells say on Twitter as my friend Rico Boston. likes to say that is what the people with all the top of their their golf swing will reply you don't go baseballing you don't go footballing well you're a baseball player so you play the sport I don't know man I just think he's wrong I think he's out of his league on this one and I just think that you know I think he needs to use some more logic when it comes to what are you wearing right now glasses why blue light blockers what are you doing what the hell is this what is that what are you doing these block blue light from your computer protecting my eyes do that free ad No, we got going on here.

I'm dupin. I'm sensitive about my eyes these days. Holy shit. Okay. You want to try it? No. I got, I don't know if that's trying to deflect me from going off the time.

I'm with you. But listen, I would love to have this debate with Tiger one day. That's what I was going to say. I was going to say, this will be a nice talking point for you and Tiger. Well, we get Tiger, you guys have to let me run with this. 100%.

And you can't coward. You can't just coward to the man. Why? Friends can have disagreements. If he's incorrect. But we all. Tiger, what?

But we stand. Yeah, but we stand on. everything with Tiger genuinely. I genuinely. We are North Korea for Tiger. I think he's the best golfer of all time. I always was behind him.

I never thought that he was done. I always thought he was going to win another major. And I also think you're allowed to say golfing. And I'm not going to fucking stop saying that because Tiger Woods says that people don't say baseball. And I'm not going to do it. I care too much about golfing and the word golfing. And I've always said this that I don't want you to just say, I see where you're coming from. I've said this before.

I want you to say you are correct. You know? I want Tiger to tell me I'm correct. That is my life goal. I want Tiger to hear my point where I say you are a golfer Tiger. That is what you do. So you go golfing. The real.

I think your life is going to be a fail if that's your one life goal. He's not going to ever agree with you. You don't think he'll ever be like, I see you your point? No. Were these fans submitted questions? Whoever the real asshole is the person who submitted this question because they have to be a listener of the show. And they got to be like, boy, I hope Tiger says the opposite of what the four-play boys think because it really puts us in a buy.

People have been doing this like crazy with these golfers. They've been taking all of our hypotheticals and questions and just asking them on their own. I mean, fucking Rory McElroyd did the talk about if he could play blindfolded on a podcast. It's like, well, that's just our debate. There was another one too. We are selling shirts and say golfing. Don't ask Tiger about golfing until we do. There was another one recently.

Entering a point, Frankie where like when we see Tiger and Robbie Mac at the next tournament, where Robbie Mac taps like me, Trent, Lurch, Jake, and it's like, boys, come on over here. And you're just standing off on the side, not invited. And then you have entered outside the circle because of your big, I almost my whole way to prove Tiger Woods wrong situation. It's more like I want to have a healthy debate with him. And I want him to see my reasoning as to why I am correct. And I think Tiger Woods is the competitive type of person that he would love to enter that debate

about the sport that he dominions. and is the best of all time. I am sure that he has more reasoning than just saying baseballers. I'm sure there's something that he's going to say that's like, will just destroy me. And you know what? That would be right because he's Tiger Woods and I'm Frankie fucking Borelli. Who the fuck am I?

So if he owns me in a debate, that's how it's supposed to go. But I'm not just going to say, I'm not just going to flip my script and everything I stand for. This is everything I stand for. What I stand for is the boss man and Tiger Woods. And it's almost, um, we might like interested. situation on a network has like a journalist, somebody who makes like a pretty inflammatory comment on Twitter and the network like distances itself from that person. Floorplay may have to publicly distance itself from take on golfing versus players.

You had not, Frankie, I could tell the way once you told him, Rick, that he had not thought about the scenario where Robbie Mac and Tiger grab all of us except him. And now he wishes he had not said that. Robbie Mack, I'm not, if you're listening to this, I don't want to be out of the circle. just want to be able to say that this is what I believe. These other guys here will, I mean, that's not fair that they are just going to switch everything they said. That doesn't change what they said, Robbie, a week ago before Tiger said this.

So don't let them persuade you. We literally sell T-shirts to say golfing. I'm just the only one that has sort of a backbone to be able to hold up and be like, yeah, you know what? We did say this. Let's have a healthy discussion over dinner at the woods in Jupiter. That's what I want to do. Golf isn't a verb.

You wouldn't say baseballing. You know, it's not golfing. It's a game of golf, so I don't know what you want for me. Lick my ass, honestly. Put those ankles by those earlobes. Always weird. I would like to talk about Tiger's red outfits real quickly. I don't think he wears the red sweater enough.

I mean, I know that it's probably temperature related, and he doesn't play in a ton of cold environments. But I feel like we see that thing once or twice a year. and it for whatever reason that thing just pops unlike anything else that man wears I kind of wanted to like stack it up to

he does the polo with the standard polo which is fine we talked about how it's like blood red which is great he does the mock neck but I feel like he saves those really for like when he decides to win the masters that's almost exclusively when he wears those and then the red sweater

like we only see that I feel like we've only seen it like twice since 1997 and whenever that thing comes out like that video of him walking across the bridge yesterday towards the course in his red sweater that was legitimately darf Vader arriving at like the death star to kind of keep everybody in line that that red sweater look i think he needs to make one that's like um that's like breathable and keeps you it's it's not going to like make you sweat in warm weather so that he can just wear that thing all the time because i don't know if it does something different to you guys but the red sweater it just plays a little differently i feel

like yeah i uh i love the red the red sweater the only thing that i put ahead of that is the mock neck so i go mock neck because that's just the terminator of all terminators when you see him in the mock neck you know a victory or a trophy or a green jacket is going to be around it um there's that's no doubt about it he's he never misses with the mock neck um then i put the sweater after that because like you said it's more rare and it's like different shades of red he has like maybe a lighter red underneath the dark blood red sweater so it's just red on top of red which is an incredible look. Like to go red on top of red is so cocky.

It's like hard to imagine ever dressing like that. Imagine wearing a sweater and wearing the same color underneath the sweater. Like anyone else in the world will put like maybe a white colored shirt underneath or like, I don't know, a black one just to offset the color of the collar to the sweater. But he goes red on top of red like an absolute sociopath and it works. So I put that at second, a close second, maybe one A. like 1A1B Mock neck And then I think a far third

Yeah Is the polo Just because we've gotten Too many variations of the polo Like sometimes it's been like There's been like a camo Thing that like comes up There's been a weird stripe on it

Weird like back fusion stripe Or maybe like they'll be like Something coming down by the armpits Where it would sometimes come out of the vest You know sometimes he wears the vest That's also another one Sometimes there was one day Where there was confusion on whether it was

A pink polo Or a red polo You can't have situations No, far third is the polo. But 1A, 1B, the more I talked about the sweater. The sweater's got to be one. The more I talk about the sweater where he goes red, red, red. That's so insane.

Has to make it a strong one. That's so insane. That's ridiculous. If you win same color anything, rather than going green, green. Be like, what are you doing? Oh, man. There was something going on with the sweater yesterday where the shirt under it, there was something going on with the collar.

It was a little bunch of it. Yeah. And even, I think, Nancy and Faldo were like, I wish Joey would say something. And Joey's not going to say anything. Here, let me just fix your color right there. But there was something going on with the sweater and the shirt under. But I agree with Lurch. I got to put the sweater number one.

That thing is just beautiful. Just because the mentality of going same color. As soon as I take this off, I'm going to be in the same looking thing. Yes. It's funny to think about that moment when Tiger was like, all right, yeah, I do the red shirt thing on the final round. I always do that. And then there had to be a moment where he's like, well, it's cold today. And like, am I going to go red on red?

Like is that I want my outer layer to be red and then like he had to have a meeting probably with Nike. You're like, all right, we're going to script you for the week. What happens on Sunday if it's like cold? He's like, you know, I think I guess I have to just go red upon red. And they were like, are you sure? Like nobody in the world dresses like that. And he's just been committed. And yeah, I don't think anyone ever goes same color on top of same color anywhere in the world except for Tiger Woods on Sunday.

The Pope goes white on white. Yeah, he does. The Pope goes right. Papal Francis goes white on white. Cool, cool Pope Frank. Although he's got a little like the gold trimmings, right? Yeah,

I actually watched the two popes on Netflix. How was it? It was really good. You know, it's a lot of Catholic stuff and like, what? But like it's honestly really good history. I mean,

we talked about the whole, um, uh, I forgot the name of it, but like what the, the conclave. Is that what it is? Conclave.

It's fucking awesome, man. Black smoke. Black smoke, white smoke. All that. Being on the internet when they kicked out the Nazi Pope and they brought in the, they're trying to decide on the new Pope. That was an electric time to be on the internet. So the Nazi Pope Benedict, which I don't know that he's confirmed a Nazi Pope.

I don't know. Is he confirmed a Nazi Pope? I don't know. I'll Google it. Whatever. Pope Benedict. Nazi Pope is now in my Google. He's confirmed Nazi Pope?

Pope Benedict dodged by Hitler. Yeah. Okay. So, I don't know. Whatever. He grew up in Germany, so I think obviously he had probably a crazy pass. That's a broad stroke. Yeah.

Well, I'm saying at the time, it is a broad stroke. So this is real, a lot of implications of what we're saying. All of this is alleged. All I'm saying is I watched it. But we basically just said everyone from Germany is a Nazi. He didn't say that. I'm saying that if you get, whatever, man. I didn't want to bring up the loose lips over there.

I don't want, I don't have the loose lips. I didn't bring up the Nazi Pope thing. I just said I watched the two popes and it was fucking good. I haven't seen it. I recommend it. for anyone else that wants to watch fucking something historic. Every night, every night

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is really one of the more surprising numbers in all of golf, considering that he is right on the doorstep of being the number one ranked player in the world, that he won the players championship. He won the FedEx Cup. He's been so dominant at different times. He hits the ball. He's the best driver of the golf ball, maybe ever. And he... Oh, frozen face. We got a frozen face on Riggs. I got to take

a picture of that. I hope it doesn't come back, honestly. I honestly hope that does not come back. I don't, nope. Oh, I think I got it. Oh, I got it. Riggs your frozen face. Yeah, you froze for a couple second there. It was not not a good looking frozen baby. You looked like you looked like hell, bro.

What the fuck? You looked awful. change this of the logo and you were just frozen there for like 10 seconds yeah since since bright since we're not on good terms we might just change this to the new four play logo just your face you guys are um you guys freeze sometimes too so i'll take one of you when you get a bad one not possible oh i didn't think about that bryson's our logo yeah what are we going to do about that we'll have to have a sit down look at rigs are ready to take a picture of us and i all i can see you us in the reflection of your case i uh i would like to get to bryson as well he had he had

He had an interesting weekend. He did. But what were you saying on, Roy? Are we frozen? Now we're in a battle of trying to take pictures looking the worst. No, we can do Bryson. You want to do Bryson? Up to you, I mean, we miss your whole Rory point.

So if you want to repeat that, you can. I was just saying that some people were talking about Rory might have a closing problem. Yeah, I think there might be something there. I mean, like, it is shocking just knowing that he hasn't won a major since 2014 for how good he is and how many times he's been in contention. This one wasn't, you know, a backdoor. He was just in the mix the whole time. But I think there might be something there.

He's really done just about everything except when a major since 2014. Yeah. He's got a... He backdoors like every top 10. Yeah. If he's not in the mix, he'll just shoot like a 63 Sunday and be, you know, T-8th. But this weekend, and the weekends that he's in the mix and looks like he's in contention. He's in the final group.

Obviously, the well-documented, you know, Sunday round of the Masters that have not. not gone his way. I mean, there's definitely something, like, mentally, it's probably creeping into the picture. I think Riggs, he's just smirking at the screen. Are you just waiting to take a screenshot of us frozen? Like, you're a sicko. No.

Don't worry about it. You sound like a kid that's, like, in the kitchen. His mom's like, are you eating all the candy? And you're like, don't know what to say. He just go, no. Did you eat the red popsicle and your face is just stained? Like, no. Nope, I didn't touch that thing.

Swear to God, I didn't. I don't know what you guys are talking. talking about. No clue what you're talking about. Just carry on. Carry on with your bullshit. We can move on to Bryson. Bryson over in Dubai got, he was right in the mix. It looked like he's going to win the tournament. And he was given, he's put on the clock. Samantha Marks tweeted, today in Dubai, Bryson Nishambe, was put on the clock and given a slow play warning on the 10th hole. He went on to shoot 76, tied for 8th, which included bogeing his last four holes.

you know like he gets put on the clock and immediately four bogeys right in a row loses the tournament we're in a weird spot with bryson but it sounds like the slow play thing is a real issue a real issue and as soon as someone says like play faster and he tries to play faster it's it falls apart on him yeah and i think that that's that's been pretty clear that it affects him because i mean remember last year when he decided to come on this show he was also right afterwards when they went to Chicago. He's putting out videos about like, oh, if the haters see this or not. Like, so clearly people chirping him about slow play affects him.

And I would imagine then when a rules official comes over to him is like officially chirping him, saying you have a slow play warning that it rattled his cage. And he, I mean, there's no way that he needs all of the information that he believes he needs before he hits a shot. But clearly, like, it rattles his cage to not have all that information. and that's how you bogey the last four holes of that tournament to finish T8 instead of having a chance to win. But like, Brooks Kepka is one of the fastest players in the world, and he's the best player in the world. So clearly, taking more time does not just equal better play for all of humanity.

So he needs to just probably figure it out how to play faster. Yeah, I think he's just got to practice how to play faster. Just get your decision quicker. Do whatever it is his mental process that he needs to go through, you know, set up an algorithm to get their. a little bit more quickly. Yeah, now it's almost like self-affirming where he's like, no, I need all this information or I'm not going to play well. And then when they're like speed it up, and he's like, well, now I don't have all this

information. And then I make four bogeys right in a row. So he's sort of caught in a loop. He is. And I mean, I think being put on the clock, you know, justifies everything that everybody's saying. And I'm looking at rigs and I think he's trying to take another picture of us. But yeah, and then I lost my train of thought. How do you think you look in those glasses?

I don't really care. I think you look good. I don't really care. No, I know what they are. Okay. I think you think you look good Aren't they just prescription-less lenses? So I was in a meeting, I ran here

and actually like they were just like right here. But then we're looking at rigs and there's the lights coming in so then I was like, hey, I'll protect my eyes since I have them. It is crazy. They're only like $4.00. I can't believe Trent's wearing them right now. Can't believe Trent doesn't wear that style glass.

Trent looks amazing. We've said this last time. It's outrageous. Be gentle with those because those will fall apart in an instant. Oh, you are. cross-eyed. Yeah, bro, I can't see. I'm Professor Trent right now. These glasses. Do I actually look like a professor?

Do I look good in these? Do you want to get taught, Frankie? It's crazy, dude. I can't see anything. You look better, just way better. Trent, it's crazy. You don't have the boxy glass frame and you still have like the 1998 middle school frame. It's crazy. It's also the only pair that I own. So if I get bumped on the street and these things break, my life is over. You're just blind. My life is over. You can't get home. I can't get home.

And then once I get home, eternally lost. Yeah, I just don't know, I don't know what to do. So these things, if I lose these or if I just smack your glasses off your face. I can't get home. So much power. I know. And I almost don't like telling people, but. It's just so much a risk that you have in your life on a daily basis.

If this one item gets lost or one of the lenses falls out, you're a lost forever. Trent, keeps the blood pumping. Go to a glasses store and try them on. And I'm telling you, man, you know, change your life. You look phenomenal. You looked way better in these. I did.

When I put up that picture that Frank is referring to, I did get a decent amount of attention from the opposite sex. So I should probably. Dude, I have a photo in here. It's in my portrait frame. Look at this picture of Trent. I mean, it doesn't matter for the people that are listening. No.

I mean, he looks like a sex icon. Yeah, he does. Somebody said I... He looks as confident as I've ever seen him right there. I'm not a confident person. He looks like a forward, like a forward-thinking guy who, like knows what he's doing. You're about to, like, give a keynote at Apple.

Yes, yes. Yeah, which I also don't... I also don't love that vibe, though. I feel like I don't need to get that. That's cool, man. You're so cool. What do I look like right now? Horrible.

You, you, you asshole. All right, I was looking at my pictures the other day, and I have some hilarious pictures of Justin Thomas and the needle, Zach Johnson, Just like sitting down at the President's Cup. Their arms are crossed. And I don't know. Are we allowed to like tweak this stuff out at this point?

The pictures from the golf course? No. I think so at this point. But yeah, yeah, I think you're fine. Their arms are crossed. They look like they're watching fireworks and about to kiss.

That's a great picture. Yeah. Wow. All right.