Fore Play - LIV Golfer Thomas Pieters

Episode Date: March 23, 2023

Our first LIV player, Thomas Pieters, joins the show for the first time (01:00:55). We delve into the decision to join, how different the experience has been compared to the PGA Tour, and if Thomas has any qualms over LIV’s origins. We also discuss living in Belgium, playing in the upcoming Masters, and watching the PGA Tour’s big events now as an “outsider.” Before Thomas joins, we expand on the latest in the golf ball rollback debate, announce an upcoming live show, and determine the best golf bathroom.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot a lot. His name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Knives because he always knites it across the green. Brod 100.

Now you've got to break 90s. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 a lease yesterday.

He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that different? It's ain't a hobby. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports, brought to you by our very, very classic meets future. Friends at Chevrolet, Chevy EVs everywhere for everyone and EUVs. It is March 23rd, 2003 as this show comes out. And we got a pretty monumental show.

We got our first live golfer ever on the show. We got Thomas Peters, who's one of the more recent signings. He is a range goat. We get into all of it. We ask some tough questions. We hear his perspective, which is quite the unique one from somebody who played mostly on the European tour, now the DP World Tour. He was teammates with Roy McElroy at the 2016 Rider Cup.

He had four points, which I believe is still, or at least at the time, was a record for most points for a rookie. He's tall. He's Belgian. And he's now on live golf. So we get into quite a bit with him. I don't want to spoil the entire thing. But fellas, we had our first live golfer on finally. Yeah, we did.

Another Danny Rappaport accusation. I mean, the guy's been acquiring all these winners and all these. Acquisition, acquisition. Acquisition. Close. I haven't had water today. I don't think my brain's working. Let's get you some water.

Mm-hmm. Get this guy, hydrogen. Accusation. Acquisition. Oh, fuck. Yeah, it's definitely acquisition. But, yeah, no, that's a great pickup. That's a great podcast guest.

Live is definitely in the news of golf. There's no denying that. Thomas Peters is spoken about. Yep. Thomas Peters is their new guys. So, and he's, yeah, don't want to get too much away. People are going to be, people are going to be obviously interested in it just from the idea of having a

live golfer on the show because if you listen to the show religiously you know how we feel about live golf it's been the top of conversation pretty much every show for 18 months and we get into pretty much everything we've ever talked about and we get a response from a guy who is signed up to be on the live tour and it is it's very interesting we got about an hour with him maybe a little bit less 50 minutes or something yeah and i would say uh probably my um just like the question that i have the least positive reaction to when you get it from somebody out in the wild is like so what do you think about all this live golf stuff the reason is because we've spoken about it for i don't know a hundred hours total on the show over the last year so it's like dude i can't boil it down i've felt really

strongly at times i've felt very critical at times other times in cases i've been more understanding it's evolved feels like the temperature of the whole thing is evolved so it's like trying to explain it somebody how you feel about it uh in a in a 30 second sound bite after they ask you is always very, very difficult, almost impossible to do. So now we get to kind of bounce all of that off of the one of their newest, um, accusations that they got over there, which is Thomas Peter. So, uh, so, so yeah, uh, great interview. Good dude.

He's a fan. He likes what we do. He likes what we do. He talks about how he listens to the show and enjoys it. So he was actually, you know, pretty pumped. It felt like to be on the show. He appeared in Netflix full swing with Dan Radport last year at the PGA, I believe it was when. Yeah, was in Tulsa.

Yeah, when Fitz was in the final group going into the final round on Saturday night. And they showed Danny Rap showing up to their home for like a little hang sash on Saturday night before the final round of the major championship. And it's DRAP, Fitz and Thomas Peters just hanging around like the kitchen island. So, so yeah, clearly you have a bit of relationship with this guy and you were able to accuse him onto the show, which is nice. Are you guys now able to see how him and Matt get along so well? Yep. Yeah. They're both just like, yeah, this is just like I'm just doing my thing.

Like I just don't really care about literally anything at all. Yeah, I think Fitz does care though more than more than Thomas Peters. Yes. Yes, definitely. It's hard to care less than Thomas Peters. It seems like about a lot of things. Absolutely. Which is interesting.

That's, I mean, Frankie, you were, I think you were kind of like blown away by that perspective. I mean, I was trying to like come out of him pretty hard. I was trying to like get him angry, like making fun of some things. And so, yeah, I mean, we don't want to give too much away. We do some jokes in there. He kind of rolled with the punches. We have the podcast in, like, the interview in this podcast. So we really don't have to talk about it too much.

They're going to listen to all of it. So that's very interesting, though. Second half of the show, Thomas Peters, Liv Gopher. So, yeah, hope people enjoy that. We'd love to see your reaction. We also, folks, have a big announcement. We're going to make a big announcement, which is that Master's Week, which is coming up, two weeks from pretty much now.

We will be doing a live show in Augusta, Georgia, at Club Magnolia, which is just across the street from Augusta National. We are doing a live show on Tuesday night, April 4th. Doors open at 6.30. Show starts at 7.30. Tickets are online at 1230 p.m. Eastern Today, Thursday, March 23rd. We'll tweet out the links, but it's barstool, sports.com, slash events, slash for play live. So we'll tweet that link out.

You don't have to memorize it. We'll have it on Instagram. we're selling 100 tickets because this Club Magnolia, it's an amazing spot. Frankie and I did a live show or a podcast from there last year. And then we slept at the Atlanta airport that night in a coffee shop together on the same table. But before we got to that coffee shop, we did a show from Club Magnolia. We talked about how amazing it. It's got a huge putting green.

They had a full swing simulator. Got a bunch of different bars and food and everything. Live show us up there Tuesday night. We're going to talk about all the hype. whatever's going to be going on with Tiger Woods, the course, the changes to 13, the weather, whatever, that's going to be, things that we like. We're going to try to get some special guests involved, but it will be Tuesday night, 630 open doors, 730. The show starts. Tickets are $50.

They include Fireball and they include Boston beer company products, drinks throughout the night, events 21 plus. Live show with the Masters fellows. It's amazing, dude. Club Magnolia, the fact that we're giving people the opportunity to get tickets to go into this thing are. it's crazy like we had like we had to like text people to get into club magnolia last year it was like really hard to get in it's a very exclusive type of property right across the street you're not going to believe how cool this place is it's got a like you said concert venue um they're always playing music it didn't make it sound that hard by the way huh just we had to text people to get it didn't make it sound

that hard but it's harder than that to get in generally no no I mean like we couldn't like get in unless we like knew the full swing guys last year it was like really hard like they were like let me see if I can like sneak you guys in here like there you couldn't just buy tickets so couldn't you can't buy tickets to club magnolia I don't think it was like very very difficult um so yeah we're going to release a hundred of them so they will go very fast yeah it's a you have to see it if you're in the augusta area type place um yeah 100% you have to be there if you are in augusta try and get there 1230 is that what it is today 12 30 today on thursday the tickets go live so uh we're only selling 100 tickets because club mac club magnolia throughout the whole week

is incredibly exclusive. People buy these passes in this place is just this like a state. And they've transformed into the go-to club. And like I said, they got catering drinks, bars, TVs, simulator, giant putting green.

It's a phenomenal venue. In fact, that we're also going to be doing a show from there. You get to hang out. You get to have drinks. Tickets are only 50 bucks and you get entry into the show, Fireball, Boston Beer, Company products.

This could be a great time. So go check that out. live show at Augusta Tuesday night of tournament week. Chevrolet is a trusted company that has been innovating for the last 100 years, fellas. 100 years. It's pretty damn good. Good run.

What are the chances this company foreplay is around 100 years? Zero. Well, I mean, with us involved, it's probably going to be close to zero just because I'm not going to live to be 135 or whatever. That seems like a stretch. Seems hard. 128, I think, you know, the advances in motor sciences is my high level of, you know, it's possible. What is that from?

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They got the bolt EV and EUVs available now. So go check out their website, Chevrolet. EVs for everyone everywhere. Fixing Frankie is now out. The latest episode is out with Trevor Emelman, Masters Champion. He has inherited, you know, one of the more prominent seats, maybe those prominent seat in golf broadcasting now up there on CBS. He'll be doing the master's coverage in a couple weeks,

Fred of the program, and he just spent an entire day with Frank Borrelli, the third, working on your putting situation. Yeah, crazy. I mean, we had no idea what we were going to do with fixing Frankie. We kind of just like went along with who we could grab and started with Dr. Brett McKay, went on to Scott Fawcett, and then it just, everything kind of just fell into place.

Like, we hit every single category of what you'd need to work on to make your game better when it comes to the process, when it comes to actually hitting and striking the ball, when it comes to where to aim, and then putting in short game. So he was unbelievable. I think that we really nailed the nail on the head when it comes to how do you take this information and actually use it for your own game. He's super good at relaying information as opposed to Scott Fawcett was a little bit. You had to take out a pen and paper for some of his stuff.

And you had to really like, I got people saying like they were rewinding it. One guy said he like screen recorded the Scott Fawcett thing and played it like slower for himself so he could like really understand what he was saying. But I think Trevor Emelman's episode. Exactly. I mean, Trevor is the easiest guy to listen to ever. And I remember you guys come back. We were down in Florida when you guys did this obviously. and I remember Brendan coming back from the shoot and I was like, how was it?

And he was like, he, Trevor's perfect at explaining how to do things the right way. Yeah. And he gave me some interesting tips that I never really thought of. Like, I mean, his grip, he does for a right-handed putter, he grips his left hand. He does the, like the tiger overlap. And he grips his left hand at what he calls a hundred power. and his right hand just is at like a 0.1 power and it just guides it and I thought that was really interesting. Huh.

Yeah. That is interesting and that's different than a lot of people because Tiger is the other way where like a lot of guys like to feel like the right hand is really in control of the stroke. Right. He was like basically having me just hold it hard with that. Dude, I remember I did a couple of years ago I did like a daily nine because somebody had done a video where they do one hand of puts. And I've always seen Tiger Woods do the one handed putts. with just his right hand, but I try to do it left hand, just left hand as a right hand a golfer.

And I couldn't make contact with a golf. It's really hard to do. Like the backhand, left hand only swing is almost impossible, but control it. So that's nuts that he does that. But that's on our YouTube page right now, fixing Frankie with Trevor Emelman. And then we are going to have next week, Trevor, I believe, is rejoining the show for the first time in a while. So I'm very excited to hear his perspective of fixing Frankie working with that.

fantastic brain of yours. That has now gone from a 10 to a five handicaps. That's a huge selling point for this series. Yeah, we clown around, we Mickey Mouse around on the golf course quite a bit. But clearly there's nuggets of very good information in here because you have gone from legitimate double-digit handicap to a legitimate five that's going to be a four or three, I think, after this summer of playing golf again easily. Like you are not, it's not a vanity.

It's anything. It's like when you play golf, or you show up to travel series when you're in the scramble matches when you're in uh breaking 90 with it's like oh frankie just hits good golf shots and post pretty low scores yeah dude yesterday i played by myself we kind of talked about pre show with with you uh trent and i's talked about colonial and it just opened up here on long island and i went yesterday and i played nine holes walked it i was the only person out there is 51 degrees absolutely perfect golf weather the greens were a little bit punched and sandy because like they're just getting going but the place was

green it definitely was growing in and i played from the back tees and i took my sweet ass time as if i was tiger woods at one point i like looked around and like gave people like like like fake people like like a thank you like after i hit a drive and i kind of thought about like the way tiger like steps up to the ball and does like a waggle and like kind of looks out and like he stands really tall with his chest up and the way he walks almost like he's trying not to hurt his back i was like doing that from the clubhouse of the first tee i was like walking like i wasn't trying to hurt my back and like Like it was unbelievable. And I went out there and I shot just a 36.

I went par par par par birdie bogey par and I just pared the rest. And it's like the most ho-hum, how you doing, stroll. I took a meeting at one point. I like had a pickleball meeting. I took a meeting. I laid on, I laid down on a huge slope and just took a meeting for 30 minutes in between on the seventh hole at the valley at the valley course.

And I just fucking chilled and I just hit every fairway. and I hit every green and I made a bunch of putts. And I just like, the golf is really fun when you're really paying attention. There's too often are we like, I love fun golf. That's like my favorite thing in the world. I love going out with 18 people and fucking getting drunk and you have all these

foursomes and playing music. But I don't do what I did yesterday enough. I really don't like actually try and get better. Posture, posture is a really interesting one. I remember Bones, Jim Bones-McKye told me once that something he always remembered was Tom Watson said, if you watch the great players, they never slump their shoulders.

Because once you, it's like a, and there's an actual link, like physiological link between bad posture and like your mindset. It's like the same thing where smiling makes you happy. Like you walk with your chest back and your chest out and it subconsciously gives yourself more confidence. So if you watch Tiger, you watch Adam Scott and you guys just saw it up close, like those guys walk like this because if you, when you start slouching, you start admitting to yourself like failure subconsciously. It's a real thing. Well, and so I played, I went out on Saturday and I played nine holes at Colonial as well. And I walked and you walked, right, Frankie?

I did walk. Did we lose somebody just down? I don't know. Did Bush just leave? Did Bush just leave? Did we lose the guy that records this thing? That'd be a shame. Where do you think this recording would go?

Where do we think this recording would go? If the guy that leaves, if the guy that records it leaves, what happens to the recording? I don't know. Yeah, I did walk. Where did you? So good. Bush. Yeah, we,

obviously I love fun golf as well, ripping around in a cart, going out there with your buddies. But going out there and walking. Walking is, is great. It's a great way to focus. When you're in a cart,

you're just kind of like hit, rip up there, hit it again, rip up to the green or wherever you hit your second shot. And just like, you're kind of all over the place. When you walk, it's,

it's very romantic. It's very, you're just very into it. And it's, I think that's going to be, like when we're not filming or doing whatever, I think I'm going to, uh,

I'm going to, How about this? The boys are getting more into their, touching upon their intimate relationship with the game of golf now. I like that. Yeah. And how about this? You want to talk about it? And this probably results in why or was the result.

This is why the result was so good. I was walking yardage is off because I didn't have a range finder. So you want to talk about being in tune with the golf course. I'm walking up to fucking. How long did it take you to play? Oh, dude. I played nine holes in like two. hours and 35 minutes.

It was a long night. So with a 30 minute meeting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But that felt like a long night, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're grinding out. There's no reason to rush, man.

You carry in your bag. You're getting steps in it. I put the bag down. I'd walk. I'd look for that had that sprinkler head. I had to like clean it off because a lot of like they're punching the fairways. I'd like clean it.

I felt like I was an old school like, you know, like that's 1800s. I'm like getting my hand dirty. And I see all the garage. gravel in the dirt in my hand. I go back. I clean off my fucking hand on the towel. I spitting it a little bit. Now I look at the target and I grab my club and I clean it a little bit. I really had I really had a day out there as opposed to like a lot of times I'll go out there Colonial and I'll rip around a cart and it's just you don't even realize what happened from T to Fairway. You just like you hit a drive, you go back, you throw the fucking driver in the cart and

you drive up there. You're hitting a million different bumps and it's kind of like crazy and you go off the road, you go up the rough and whatever and you get to your ball and you're just like, let's do that again right now. And you like, don't. Don't even like think about, well, what did I do wrong there? Like, and you're looking at your phone as you're driving the car. You're not paying attention. And I'm not saying that you can't do that all the time. I'm just saying once in a while, treat yourself.

It's like a, it's like a lady going on a spa day. It's like, let's just treat ourselves for one day. No, because I remember about like a year ago, somebody tweeted in me something about like, you should walk more and you'll get like a better feel for your game and a better feel for how you're going to play and what shot you're going to hit next. and I definitely buried him with a quote tweet and was like, I would prefer to just take a cart and get out there and play a bunch of holes and have fun. And, you know, I go back on that a little bit now because you're like for all the reasons that Frankie's saying,

where you're just out there and you feel the elements. It's, you know, the reason I did it on Saturday was because it was 40 degrees and I would have froze if I took a cart. But it ended up being a blessing because it was just a really cool way to do it. I will say when you're walking and you like, depending on the layout of the course, I did feel a little daunting feeling when I, like, made that turn to five. And you're like, now we're going out away from the clubhouse. And I'm just like walking out here. It's like, I have a long walk back to the clubhouse, but I will be playing off and having fun.

But there is that shadow of doubt that creeps in where you're like, this is a ridiculous decision to just like, I'm, you look back and you're like, I have to physically walk back there. It's like six miles away. It's crazy. It's crazy. I got to get back there. Yeah. Walking is, uh, is nice. It's nice.

It's nice when you don't do it very often, like you're saying, to get that experience. I know we did that at the Pebble trip, at the Gabby Classic, which we won a couple weeks ago because it was so cold. And it's carpath only there. And it's nicer to just walk and carry your bags. And it's such a nice feeling. Frankie, when you were talking about how you were like waving to fans, basically, my brother still does when he plays golf. Every bridge that he crosses, he takes his hat off. Amazing.

That's nice. It's just something he's used to. So it is nice. It's a little bit of a throwback. Speaking of a throwback, Dan and I spoke about the golf ball rollback last week. I don't believe we got you two to weigh in at all. If you guys care at all,

if you have any thoughts at all about rolling the golf ball back because it's been a big debate in the last year. Hey, Bush. Alex Bush is back. By bad, I thought it was muted. I'm glad it kept going. So I guess the reason that he was out was because the office, Wi-Fi was down at Barcelona.

Internet company. Lost internet again. The only issue is I see on the recording time that it's 25 seconds angle. I'm sure everyone was very calm when that went down. No one was like yelling or anything. We all have a local recordings. Ours is 15 minutes and 40 seconds. Yeah.

Okay. Then we should be good. The little recording thing never went away. Okay. We should be good then. Once we exit, it should stop it, right? Yeah. I think so.

I mean, the goal, I mean, Trent, I don't know if you want to go first. I mean, I definitely have like a take on. No, you go. Well, I guess, Personally, I don't really, I've always found it so weird the distance rule because it doesn't really affect us. And like the average golfer to me does not, it doesn't affect me this rollback. I don't really fall in line with like that I can play the same ball as Rory McElroy at the same course. A little bit I do.

But like the more we've seen the behind the scenes of like what goes into making those guys golf clubs. I mean like they hand make Tiger Woods as golf clubs. It takes them like six weeks to like grind out everything. It's like we're not doing. we are not the same. You know what I mean? Like you're not that guy, pal, and you'll never be that guy. So when it comes to like, I want to play the same thing, that's never been the case, ever.

The guys that I feel bad for, and I've talked to some pros about this, Dan being one of them at Colonial, my guy, Dan Spazado, he was saying, like, it's bullshit for the guys that, like, are trying to, like, go to U.S. Open qualifiers and, like, all of these things that, they're high-level golfers and they're going to have to play almost like two sets of clubs, two different types of balls. And you're really like eliminating and like putting out to dry a lot of the guys that like give back to the game, like have dedicated their life to the game. And like they want to be at that same level and playing the same equipment and same ball as like a Rory Macaroy. Those guys I kind of do feel bad for where it's like why are you like trying to take away from them when like there's only that top top top tier that this is going to affect. So yeah, I don't know.

It's super interesting obviously. I don't know why they're trying to bring the game backwards though. That's the part that to me on a high. level makes no sense. I would just leave the golf ball. Like a theoretical issue with it is it's based on this notion that things were better before, which I just don't know that that's true. Right. I've seen a lot of people be like, no other sport has like changed the game because of how athletic they're getting. But that's kind of like a lie, isn't it? I mean, they've always kind of changed things. They like added like a three point line. They like they like make, they like

make change. Yeah. The, the example that I've heard a lot is like the, remember in swimming when there was that suit where everyone was breaking the world records in the Olympics like eight years ago or something and they outlawed those suits. I mean, every you can make, they change the baseball literally every single year. I mean, there's like juice baseballs. There's dead baseballs. There's footballs that are getting more slippery. There's footballs that are getting even bigger so that the guys can't like grip them as much. They're changing the way guys can wear certain gloves for wide receivers and like certain helmets that you can't see out of them. I mean, they are changing sports all the time to make it. I just think golf is the difference is that.

golf is such a participation sport to me. That's where it's so different. People that are big swimming fans, I don't think are like having their big like swimming match against their buddies every week. You know, it's like it's, it's different. Golf, you get to go play the golf courses. And I think that there's never been a bifurcation.

Is that how you say it? I think so. Before where it is different. Yeah, I get that like you, my bag set up, my equipment is not identical to Tiger Woods. It's not identical to Rory's. But like we can use the same thing, right? Like we could choose to use the same exact thing.

This is going to change that. Like Rory will not be able to use the same ball when he plays that like I am like technically allowed to play to post my scores on gin and all that. And that's never really existed before in a sport where participation is so key. And I know that when we had this conversation a year or so ago, we like laughed at the idea of someone showing up to like play their big round at Beth Payton. black and they're using like the pro ball. Yeah.

Like they want to be the guy that's like, oh no, I shot 77 with the pro ball. And you're like, what a fucking loser. That sucks. But like now I think that's going to be required to be like able to claim that you have this great round at this course. People are going to be able to the ball. And I just think that's a, uh, I think that's a little bit lame. I don't think that's my biggest reason for it.

I think my biggest reason for it is in line with what John Rom just said, which he said, the USGA and RNA are hyper focused on making professional golf a little bit more. difficult than it already is. I don't know why. My biggest question for the USGA and R&A, we're in a golden era of golf where it's exploded since COVID. A lot of people are watching. You have completely different tour. All these things are happening for the game and it's growing. Why change what's working? And I think that that's a very good point, which is that like the trajectory of things, even with Tiger Woods for the last couple of years, basically being non-existent or as, you know, minimally existent as he's been over the last

25 years, even with the biggest figure who changes the numbers, he is the needle, he changes the ratings, changes everything about the game. Even with him basically taken out of golf for a couple years, it's exploding. Participation is way higher. Millions of new golfers are playing. They came in during COVID and a lot of them stayed. They're buying more merchandise. They're buying more equipment.

The equipment companies are up. A merchandise is up. Everything's up. And like they're going to go and make a pretty drastic, unprecedented change. to roll back the ball. And that, to me, is something that I get that there are positives that I really like that will come out of it. But I just think the more that I weigh it, there's more negatives or there's not enough positives to overrule the other side for me. And that is tricky because, like, I know I've argued on that other side.

I know that I've been like when, and especially when Tiger makes the point of like the equipment has advanced to the point where it has shrunk. the delta between the best players and the number one ranked player or the number 100 ranked player in the world like the equipment has allowed both of those players to hit the ball straight or easier so the guy that can do it more skillfully than the other doesn't have as much of an advantage and therefore it's it's difficult for someone to separate themselves and become a tiger woods and all that i i get that that's what rory said basically today i think it was or yesterday. So I do get that, but I largely more agree with kind of the John Rahm of like, dude, golf's really fucking hard for pretty much everybody already. We just watched Roy McRoy,

missed the cut by a million at the players championship. It's not like we just see the best guys that hit at the farthest destroy everyone every week. That's not the case. It's still really difficult at the top level. It's still really difficult at our level. None of us are hitting the ball just too far to make golf fun right now, like not even close. And we have all the best equipment and we work hard at it. We do video series around it. And we still suck and we're still better than most people that actually play the game of golf. So it's like it seems like all of those reasons are more important than just like maybe they could bring back a couple golf courses into the U.S. open rotation that we would see once every 15 years.

And there's a few holes on that course that make the difference between them being able to have a U.S. Open and not. it's like, who really gives a fuck about that? Created by fans for fans, Game Time is the ticketing app that makes it easier than ever to score last minute deals to sports, concert shows. They guarantee the lowest price. Game Time is the exclusive ticketing partner of Barstool Sports.

Events are back, man. It's been a couple years now. Pandemic, obviously, weren't allowed to go to anything. There's nothing better than going to a lot of events, but it makes being a person worth it. Frigerman, were you at UBS last night? UBS last time with my dad. My dad was so into it.

We like, we just, we really, really wanted to go, go on game time, last minute tickets. We get there. Islanders, Leifes, John Tveras, we're chanting, we don't need you. J.T. still sucks. The whole thing. Every time he touches the puck on Long Island for five years, we've been booing this guy. Every time he touches the puck on Long Island, it's never going to go away. Least fans are throwing their jerseys on the ice because the island has beat them seven

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Trent uses cavity back, stealth two irons, and then I use 770s and 790s. Like, I choose to play a game that's a little bit more difficult. He chooses to play a game that's a little bit more forgiving. I could use a rolled back ball. He can use a better ball. Like, I mean, it's not like this is the first time any amateur has ever had the choice of picking professional. I think that's way oversimplify it because I think you're going to need the equipment

companies are going to have to do significant research and development into creating these new products, right? Like a new golf ball, everyone's like, oh, hey, just dial it back a certain percentage. That's not exactly how it works. A golf ball that has changed to meet these conforming regulations on the testing aspect of it to the launch angle and the ball speed and all that is going to have different characteristics as a golf ball than the current golf balls have. And then the equipment companies are not just going to apply the stealth two that they've been working on for 20 years to the same ball because it's not going to react the same way to the stealth too. So now they've got to put all that research and development into new drivers, new irons, new everything and see and test forever

how the new ball does it fly differently? Does it not as penetrating with the iron? Can you not spin it around the greed as much or is it too much? And then this player is like that. So now they got to put all of this millions and millions of dollars into researching that, creating that new equipment. And Brandl's big point was that the equipment companies aren't just going to eat that. They're in it for profit. So who is that cost going to be offloaded upon? It's going to be offloaded to the consumer. It's going to be offloaded to all the people that are reading this podcast. So prices are going to dramatically go up. There's going to be more equipment now that you're going to have to choose from an audio book reference in all that. What's that? Was that an audio book reference?

So they're reading the podcast. He said reading the podcast. It was interesting. Sorry. You were on a role. Sorry. You were on a right. I think that all of that, I think when you really think about all those different factors and trajectories that that could take things, I think definitely leads to a risk of halting the growth of golf in a lot of ways. And one of the biggest ones is because it's more expensive at that point. And I don't know how you could avoid it at that point from becoming more expensive because none of these companies from tailor made to the other equipment companies are going to just allow the others to like provide the best new equipment based on the new regulations to their

guys only and have our guys of his tailor-made have like roar and tiger and colin scotty like not using stuff that's been perfected to the new ball so then they all have an arms race to kind of the best stuff for the new stuff and the new regulations and i just think that that yeah i think that does risk halting sort of this great trajectory that golf's been on golf is already a pretty expensive sport as it as the goes that's kind of like i'm putting that into the pool of like it's already growing and getting unbelievably more expensive as the years go on. Drivers are $700. You throw shafts on them.

Sometimes like one club can cost close to $1,000. It's not like they'd be going from this, like, everyone can go play at sport to like, well, if we make this one decision, it's going to like eliminate a lot of people that are going to play and buy gear and go play. Like even if it's like a subtle increase in price or whatever it's going to end up being, even if it's massive increase, it's not like. these people that are playing can't already afford it. You're focusing on the lack of drawbacks.

What are the real benefits of the rollback? Yeah. I mean, I guess I really don't like stand by caring about like certain courses being able to be used. Yeah, I get that. I guess I would, the best argument would be Tiger's comment where it's like you are actually bringing more competitiveness when you are. Is that bad?

I think that's good. right so you're having more players able to win is a good thing correct so then yeah so then that would be anti rollback oh because like the 100th player can yeah better with the better ball yeah i guess to day no i guess you're like the question you may making me say yes i guess i i actually like when like the best player gets to win no yeah that's that's like that's what i understood like i do agree where it's like if you are the best ball striker and you are the guy that can hit the furthest you should be able to just like win those tournaments you should be able to win more than the guy that's getting help with equipment.

Yeah. I guess I never really thought of it that way. When you hear it, when Rick said it, it's like, that makes sense. I would be pissed if I was a guy like that. And what I would say is, I don't know how true that is. I'm just taking like Tiger said that. And obviously Tigers at a point now where he's like wishes he could just dominate against everybody like he did in the 20 years ago.

But it's like I looked. I mean, Scotty Schaeffer won four out of six starts at this point last year, including the masters in the match play and won all kinds of different golf courses. So like the best player was just. feeding everybody. We talked a few months ago about John Rob, and he was just on top. There's two guys who was way better. The best player. And I think right now, Scotty Schafer and John Rom are just the best players. I think they're playing better. And I don't think that it's like, well, they're the best players. But like they, you know, any given week, it's like the

equipment's so good that everybody could just shoot 40 under. It's like, no, what was the, he was 10 under par last week was Taylor Moore, who was just on the last show, who won like 10 under par for those guys over four rounds. Part 72. It's, it's, you. Yeah, par 72. So they get, what, 16 looks at par fives throughout the week and they're still only 10 under. So basically playing the rest of the golf course at like over par. So it's just like that's not, it's just not in my opinion, such a dominant thing that's overtaking golf with the golf ball being able to be hit too far. It wasn't like when Bryson came out and did it that he all of a sudden vaulted to number one in the world and was just destroying everybody.

Yes, he got a little bit better. He was able to win a major. but like we kind of talked about last week. It's like he was already on a trajectory to win majors. He had won a bunch of tournaments. He had won multiple tournaments in a row at the FedEx Cup not that long ago and won several times on tour. So it's not crazy that somebody like that would win a major.

It's not like just because he got to hit it farther. He all of a sudden won every single tournament. He played and he also got injured and sucked in a lot of tournaments and we made fun of them and the whole deal. So it's like, and then also I think like the excitement level from that is of being able to hit the ball so far is still really cool. When he drove the fucking green on the first hole at the Ryder Cup and made an eagle, that was awesome.

That was fucking unbelievable. Like when he tried to drive the green on that half moonhole at Bay Hill, that was awesome. He threw his hands in the air. He celebrated like a fucking power lifter after hitting it almost on the green. That shit's fucking awesome. So it's like, I don't know that like this little tweak in the competitiveness or being able to like having to work the ball again a little bit more, bringing back again a few courses, however many courses it might be. that get to come back that we would see like once every 15 years maybe is enough to overcome

kind of my thoughts on the other side of it at this point. I also say like the stuff that I think we talked about at the time, like the stuff that Bryson did to his body, the things that he, the way he got to that point was like, nobody's going to do that. Like, right. It's like, look at him now, dude. He's finishing last and on the live events. Right.

Even Bryson doesn't do that now. Yeah. And we talked like kids. Yeah. When we talked to Kisner about it, Kisner was like, I got, I got things I got to do. Like I got to drop the kids off at school. I can't be pounding protein shakes and lifting for 16 hours a day. Like the guy that everyone points to is like,

this is where we're going. Nobody, including himself, wants to do that now. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I definitely want to see both sides of it. It's a good debate. I probably lean more towards I don't care about it.

So I really don't think they should do it. I do think that. The Thomas Peters. Yeah, absolutely. The TP special. He's incepting us. We're taking. I'm taking a TP here.

I'm taking a TP. I just don't give a fun. I don't care. I guess like I fall. My official stance on is like I fall on the fact that like let's just leave it out the way it is. I think golf is doing really fine. It's doing everyone's loving it.

It's a really good product to watch. I do see. The only thing I don't like is the hypocritical like tweets I'm seeing of all these, all these people that are getting angry at it. And like they're acting like they're acting like there's never been changes in sport or golf before or there's no difference between equipment right now, between the amateur and the pro like that's wrong like let's not let's not make those arguments let's make the arguments of like let's just leave it the way it is and let's all have fun

moving the game forward and i i agree with you i think it's a close debate and i actually think like i'm so close on it overall that like for me if they do vote to go to the rollback i'll be a tp special on it i won't really care that much i'm like all right that's fine like i was more on the other side but like would you use the new ball no i don't think so did you guys see rory today say that he, even if the PGA tour, he claimed that even if the PGA tour doesn't adopt it, he would still use that ball because it helps him prepare for majors. No,

I'm calling bullshit on that one. That's what Dan at Colonial Springs was saying. He's like, do I have to now use this ball like every day? And like, is that going to just make me worse when I'm already trying to gain an edge on every single one of these pros that are trying to qualify for the U.S. Open and all these things. Like, I want to do that. Like, I want to be better. I want to make this tour one.

Like, that's, that sucks for those guys. I don't think there's a world where the, tour could not adopt it and the others would. I just don't, I think that would create too much separation, which is to go further into Rory, Roy said, I think my opinion differs from my peers and probably the PGA tour as a whole. This is just my opinion. I'm only one voice, but honestly, if I take my PGA tour hat off, the major championships are already such a big deal in the game of golf.

And if the major championships somehow adopt this ball change and the tour doesn't, I think it widens the gap between the PGA tour golf and the major championship golf, which, if anything, the PGA Tour is trying to make, make up some sort of market share or trying to get a little closer to the major championships in terms of interest that we create within our tournaments. He said, basically, I've been pretty adamant that I don't really want the governing bodies to touch the recreational golfer because we need to make sure this game is not as intimidating and is as much fun as possible. Just try to keep the participation levels at an all-time high. So I'm glad this new proposal that they haven't touched the recreational golfer.

for elite level play, I really like it. I really do. I know that's a really unpopular opinion amongst my peers, but I think it's going to help identify who the best players are a bit easier, especially in this era of parody that we've been living in these past couple of decades. I just, he spent the last three years talking about how it's, you know, amazing the PJ Tour is and standing of the PJ Tour. Now he just says, I'm the major is the only thing that matters. Yeah, that was a wild. That was wild. And he's like at this point, his career, the only legacy is his major wins. I feel like he's having a moment. Like he is with the club.

And he's just like, he's just firing away. He's going to jump. How much would this rollback in W.O? The golf ball comes out of the rafters with a. How much would the rollback affect the golf ball? Would it be 30 yards? Do they have a number? It's about 20-ish drivers will hit, uh, pros will hit drivers about 15 to 20 yards less far. Yeah, I can't get my dick hard for that.

Like I don't, that doesn't make a difference to me. Three, thirty five to three. I know I'm saying as a viewer though. Like, You're just going to watch that ball go up in the air. The blimp's going to watch it. Just hit the ground. And you're just going to be like that guy's in the fairway with 145 yards. Like, you know what I mean?

For them, it's going to make a huge difference. Huge. Huge. In different clubs into greens, guys who are better iron players are going to be way, way more. Also have an advantage to win tournaments. But it changes carries too, right?

Like, instead of hitting a driver on a hole now, you got to hit a fucking four iron because like you can't carry that. It's a huge difference. So it changes a lot there. But you're right. From a viewer, it's a viewer standpoint. Are you really going to notice that much?

No, probably. No. At all. No. Scores maybe, but that's really it. And I still don't think they would bring back necessarily very many golf courses. I think just like they'd be able to. What courses are they talking about?

I don't know. I honestly don't know. I think they'd be able to more sustain the ones they've got than like bring back golf courses from the dead, right? Are they playing like the Garden City men's club? Like what golf courses they try? I don't know what the courses that they're talking about are these like, but you need to do.

go so much further than 15 yards in order to make those courses relevant. Right. I would love to have somebody on who could talk about, like, what's the, is there a strategy for golf courses going forward that would make it? Like obviously, it's always just like push it back, push it back, push it back. How do you, how can you tune up a golf course to make it still where you could play these big events there? You got to grow the rough really long.

You got to have the greens really hard and really fast. That's what they do a lot. They do that at Bay Hill. They did that at Val Spar and that keeps the scores down. But then you've got the golf arc. texture guy saying that's actually really boring because if you miss the fairway you just got to chip it out we want the recovery shots you know we want wide we want options it's like a i don't disagree with it's somewhere in between there i think yeah somewhere and the players hate when you do that it's like

when we play deep down that fucking place deep down long island was built to be like the greens were supposed to run that like an eight because they're so fucking crazy and it was built a hundred years ago and now they run them at like a 13 and all the players that play there are like this is fucking stupid like you're you're making it trying you're trying to like preserve the golf course and we literally can't keep the balls on the green. I can't imagine what these pros are thinking. What's that whole at Deepdale like eight or something? Dude,

it's like legitimately impossible. It's legitimately an impossible golf. They are just like the caddy's like, let's just pick up the balls and walk in that cold. Like how is that golf? So right. I think that is a lot of the argument of like the pros basically are like, dude,

in order to make these courses and keep the scores down and keep it a vowspar like we're talking about where the winning score was only 10 under, they have to pretty much make it one dimensional golf, which is very narrow fairways. you know longer luscious rough thick long rough and then really firm fast greens with like long rough around the green and it's like dude that's pretty much just the same shot over and over again you have to hit a straight long drive you have to hit a towering like iron in the middle of the green and if you miss it you pull out a 60 and like chop at it you do that 72 times and see who wins and they're

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I can go out there on Monday. Like, no, you really can. Unless you're playing like that media day, the day after. If you're playing that golf course, like in the dead heat of the summer, it is not the tournament style rough. It is not running at the same speeds that they are. It's a completely different golf course. I did get a little bit Jake Bass now, Alex Bushed on that front last week for sure, because of all the points that I've made, which I pretty much made in this show, that was the one that was, like, put out on social.

and people are like, this is the worst argument of all time where I was like, well, we all get to kind of play the same equipment, the same course. But Simon, you, everyone's been saying it. I mean, like, our one of the arguments. I agree with your tailor maids. Like, that was like their big thing where they're like, you can walk like the grounds of St.

Andrews. And like, I think St. Andrews might be the only one that they probably do keep pretty damn similar from day to day to the championship. But you also have to remember and we fucking love Taylor Made in all these brands. But like they have millions and millions of dollars with the golf balls just sitting in warehouse. So it's like they. can't have this. I mean, you just cage. They're just like, we're going to fight this,

regardless on whatever side of the argument we fall on. You have to. So, and that's just the reality of situation. They're going to run in a fucking business. A huge business. It'd be crazy. It might be like, no worth of fucking. We've put millions and millions of dollars of research and years of product and, and everything into building it now. You're going to make us change our product, basically. So it's a huge fuck you to the brands by the governing bodies of golf who have benefited off of all this work. amazing, amazing advancements that the people that we've met at Taylor Made that like are in these fucking lab coats that like legitimately do scientific experiments on how to get these

balls better. And like they were given that direction by essentially the governing bodies of golf to be like advance our game. And now they're like, fuck you. That's crazy. And they're like, okay, all of this right. If you're a tailor made shoes or anything, it's like, okay, change everything. Change your business model.

Change all your equipment. too. When we're in that room where they make the golf balls and the clubs and the ironheads at Taylor made that they would even let us film in. They're like that. They have like six machines in there and every machine is a seven figure machine. And you're like, holy fuck. And they're saying, keep that going just change it for the top players. Correct. And that's like, and they're doing it because they're like change it because like 12 fucking fossils that that somehow work at USGA and at RNA have listened to a little bit of golf Twitter have been like, we're going to change it all. And you're kind of like, well, hold on here.

Like, yeah, the architect snobs can't win the future of golf argument. Do you guys think that. Unfortunately, you fall on the wrong side. Do you think Taylor made in other companies will want to pay pros less to sponsor them? Because they'll be playing different balls and different clubs. Probably. You know what I mean? Like, you know, paying world number 20, 750 grand a year, whatever it is, if you can't say,

hey, you know, this guy's playing the same driver and you can play this driver, are they still going to want to pay those guys those money? that all that money i would say i want to want it to be clear that we'll be playing the balls and the drivers that everyone can play i'm hitting too we's like we've been begging these companies to give us

illegal clubs we had a meeting we had a meeting at taylor made in carlsbad and we said they said what would you guys like to see like we'd like to get your guys take on where you think like golf should go in the next five years like do you have any like interesting ideas like is there something that you would like to see with the driver like maybe you have a ridiculous idea. No idea is a bad, bad idea. And I was just like, all right, I'm going to throw this one at

you. Can you guys make a ball that goes forever? Like, I mean, what, what's the answer to that? Can you get, when I make contact with the ball, it goes 600 yards. Like, where is the, where do we fall on that? And they all laughed. And they're like, honestly, like, there's probably like one ball you could make that. It would just, it would be a super ball. It would just go forever and stop. It'd be fake. Like, you can't make that. But yeah, it is, uh, I want that. I want that. I want the, game to be as easy as possible. Fuck. Yeah, the more you talk about it, and it is a great debate, the more

negatives there are than positives, like just leave it the way it is, man. Leave it the way it is. Let's get, we need to get somebody on who could argue the other side hard. I think we should. I think we could get like an Andy Johnson or you know, one of these, yeah, someone who's been very vocal online who will probably bring up a lot of good points. Would you rather them roll back the equipment because they're already making so many adjustments to the pro equipment where like,

why can't they just make changes to like the faces of these clubs and like the way that they're built just for the top top top players that we don't even have access to we don't have the access to get our clubs that customized and then like then you'd see the roll back in distance why does it have to be the ball i think the ball is the easier one to do i think if you have to do if you have to change driver and a three wood and a five wood and an iron but they're already customizing these guys clubs for each season it's not like they're not like they're customizing them though based on like within a framework. Right, within a framework of the club. Like, they might, you know what I'm saying? They're not like, yeah. But I'm just going based off like what we saw, tell me, like they literally make the club out of like tungsten. I mean,

that's just a fucking block. Yeah, but they make every club out of the block. Right. So couldn't they just like, just for the pros, couldn't you just make that new club that goes a little bit less just for the pros? And then that's just like already going to them is what I'm saying. Like they're going to,

I just don't know like the engineering. Yeah. I guess because don't they already, there's a conforming and there's not conforming now, right? That's the other thing is there already. there's already rules. It's not like the, it's not like we're talking about one side is a rollback and the other side is just anarchy. Right. True. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get somebody on. I don't know who, but we'll get somebody on to argue the other side. And you can tell we're pretty close on it. It's like half our,

half the time or 30% of the time we're sort of like understanding that if they could bring her change certain things and make it more competitive Tiger could win again, that'd be fucking great. So, uh, we're all I'll bore with that. All right. We got Thomas Peters. We're going to go to him here in a second. But I did say we would do it from the gallery and I want to do one from the gallery. So forward play at barstlesports.com, send that email.

Every time I say that, we get dozens of them and they're pretty good and pretty fresh. So email, put in the subject line from the gallery, make it short or I won't read it. Nick, whose favorite truly flavor is wildberry, mine as well. He said, you've talked a lot about travel the last few weeks and we know the boys can eat. So what is the nicest golf bathroom you've had the pleasure of using on your travels? Have to be some crazy, nice ones. My answer is very obvious, in my opinion. And it is the bathroom at Aaron Hills.

I think that's a no-brainer. When you walk in there, it's fucking stunning. You don't expect it at the clubhouse. The interior is all like wood and understated and old school. the exterior is almost like this Scottish or Irish like stone. And then you walk into this bathroom and it is a palace in there. Yeah. It's a fantastic.

No, it's Aaron Hills. Like I there's really no other answer. I think there's different tiers in the top tier is Aaron Hills and then everybody falls below. I'm trying to think the bathroom at Bayonne, uh, which like not many people can go into, um, is a fucking old like mahogany. Yeah, that whole house is a vibe. That place is really cool. That bathroom's awesome.

You feel like if you hit like one of the levers, you're going to like go down into like Slytherans like whatever. I was going to say something crazy. I don't even know what I was going to say. What word was just about to come out. Layer, I guess. Slytherins, I was going to say sex dungeon,

but I don't think that was happening at Hogwarts. Nice. I'm saying all of them. I guess it would have happened. You think there was sex dungeons in Hogwarts? For sure, right? Definitely. I read that thing.

I mean, there was a chamber of secrets. So there's probably something else too. Yeah. Ooh. Correct. My bathroom pick would be whistling straights because you know exactly what you're going to get. You're going to get coaler products.

It's in Kohler, Wisconsin. It's the Kohler family. And it's just, it's exactly what you think. It is nice new, new, colder toilets. They do have the baths of the nine hole golf course and there's just a coaler bath right there, right by the first two. That's a good one. But yeah, I like that we're both in Wisconsin. Our bathroom.

Yeah, Wisconsin does seem like a state that if you did one of those where they're like, oh, this state's known for that. It's like Wisconsin should have good bathrooms. They got to be ready for bombs. They got to be ready for nuclear bombs. They're bringing the thunder there. And you got to have good facilities for these folks. Dairy steaks.

That's actually on par. Not to make another pun, but that's on par for Wisconsin to have the best bathrooms. All right. Let's throw it to Thomas Peters, our first live guest ever. And then people enjoy the match play. Real quick with match play, we talked about Kevin Kisner before. I texted him last night because our guy, Cal Clutterbuck, I guess Kiz had like a weekend with Cal clutterbuck like two off seasons ago

where they just played a ton of golf and Cal like absolutely put kids to shame when it came to like being able to play golf, drink and then just wake up and play again. And he just put on an absolute bender of a weekend in front of Cal so he's always been a fan of him. And so last night, Calcutterbuck just came back off an injury. Islanders are fucking surging about to make the playoffs. hopefully and Cal scores two massive goals against the fucking Toronto Maple Leafs at home. Goes like this to the crowd like he's back. So I text kids.

I'm like our boy, Cal Clutterbuck just had like two of the biggest goals of his like career tonight. And he didn't answer me last night. And this morning at like 7.15. He goes, so are you going crazy about that. And then I, I liked it and hearted it at like 9.15 when I woke up.

And kids just writes, Good morning, Frankie. Because he knew that I had woken up like three hours after him. And I was like, tough Tuesday night for you. boy over here and he just like love to hear it. It's just like so classic kids. And then I like got to the realization,

I'm like, wait a minute. The, the match play starts today. And I looked at him like he was teeing off in like an hour. I was like fucking kids is so like every he's stereotypically kids no matter when you fucking text him. He's just on his phone like doesn't give a shit. He's about to tee off against Max Homer. It's like a huge match.

I actually wonder how that's going right now. He's playing Hedeky today. So kids, we did a, Oh, he's not playing. What's up? I thought he was playing Max Over today. Now, he's got Hideki. He tees off in like 30 minutes, I think.

But Kiz, the reason I know that is because me and Kirk yesterday were both on Kiz to beat Hadeki Matsuyama today. He's like plus $150 or something because Kiz has missed a million cuts in a row. Obviously, the match play at Austin Country Club is his wheelhouse. So we're on, I'm on Kiz today. I put a good amount of money on Kiz today. Oh, yeah, $149. Tomorrow, Max Homa.

I put a good amount of money on Kiz to beat Hadeki Matsuyama. today. So everyone that's listening, they already know the result of this. So I think I might davell in that too. Come on. Frankie, get involved. I also have him winning that group at plus 500. All right. He's made one cut in the last like four years.

So we need him to, we need to play. He's hoping the match play king just shows up again. That's what we're going for. It's just like every year I tweet about how, oh, this is his tournament. And then I'm going to go in and see him at five to one to win that group and not pick him. Yeah. It's a good value.

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And they come on and we're nice to them and the whole deal. Now we've got our first live golfer, probably the tallest. Are you the tallest golfer on the live tour? Could be. Could be. Yeah. 42nd in the official world golf rankings played in two live golf events thus far this year, six-time European tour winner, very dominant with Rory Malkroy in 2016 Rider Cup,

which is where probably a lot of our fans saw you for the first time. Two of you were standing out there. I don't think either one of you was really wearing a hat at the time at Hazelt team, which was quite intimidating for you and how much taller you were than Rory. We got Thomas Peters on the podcast. You're a couple events into live golf at this point. So my first question is how much has your life changed in the last month and a half since you sort of made the jump, if you will, to the live golf tour? Not really. I still get on a plane, go to a golf tournament and try to compete and win. On that end, not much. I mean, obviously there's a lot of talk, but at the end of the day, it's personal opinion. And it's just golf, you know, it's not life and death. So I made the decision and I move on.

on we we talked about you you kind of wanted to do this for for a while since it started um and i think you are kind of a unique case because there's been a lot of talk recently about the pga tour and the dp world tour and how it seems like if guys want to play at the top level they they either have to move to america or i guess they have to go to live golf so can you just walk us through your decision process on why live seemed so attractive to you from the beginning really gotcha um yeah so like as a kid you obviously dream about playing on the pGA tour you know winning golf terms tournaments. I won some golf tournaments. I played a year on the PJ tour. I did not like it. I got very homesick, very lonely. And for me, that was kind of like, you know, I ticked the box. I tried it over

there. It wasn't my thing. And then kind of Liv came around right at the right time. It sounded like, you know, everybody was playing on it last year that I talked to. Said it was very exciting. knew and that was something that really spoke to me. And, um, you know, obviously, you can't lie about it. financially, it's amazing. Um, you know, and, um, it was, it's something as a family, you know, father of two daughters as well, um, with my girlfriend. It's, it's awesome to have a set schedule as well. Yeah, you're, you're such a different case than, like, if we look at a, uh, a Phil Nicholson or Brooks Kepker. These are guys that we're used to see it as like American golf fans every week or

every couple weeks on the PGA tour. I looked it up. I mean, last year you played in, I think, three non-major PGA tour events. I think the year before you played in four and two of them were opposite field events, like the Barracuda and the Pucatta. So I was thinking about a lot this morning. I was like, for you and for somebody who in a very funny way, like she hates the PGA tour, it sounds like.

It doesn't like like playing golf in the States. You're not from the States. You're from Belgium. You played a lot of European tour anyways. For you, I would, I guess, live from like a financial and a just work schedule standpoint is kind of just a more lucrative version of the European tour, right? Yeah, you can put it that way. And I don't hate the PGA tour.

Let's put that. You know, let's be clear. I love competing over there, obviously. Like, I love playing Bay Hill and the players and all that. but when you go, you know, when that golf tournament's finished or that round is finished, like it's so lonely. And I did not have that in Europe. Obviously, you know all the guys.

You go out to dinner. Like last week, Harold and I and Taylor, we went out to dinner a couple nights. And even for me, that normal, you know, you finish your golf round. You do something else. You know, you have a life. And it's funny because Harold said, man, we never do this on the PGA tour. And I found that I find that a little bit sad. Why do you think that is?

Why do you don't do that? So you're saying outside of the homesick feeling that you got of being on the PJ tour, the PJ tour itself, the way that it operates, none of that. You don't dislike any part of that. No, of course not, because that's, you know, if you want to play against the best, that has been for years the place to play. And that's what I wanted to do. And then when I got there, obviously I enjoyed all the tournaments.

And, you know, I had a couple really good ones. the chance to win. But, you know, the life outside, you're still a human being. You still want to be happy. And if you're not happy outside the golf course, it's not going to translate in good scores. You went to school in the U.S. You went to Illinois. I know you loved Illinois. We've talked about this. So what changed? I mean, because obviously at that point, you were liking the United States or you were liking living here, I should say. Well, we've all been to college. It's very, very different. everything's kind of done for you. You know, being from a successful golf program as Illinois,

and we flew private, we played the best tournaments, we were winning all the time, and then, you know, you have zero worries. I saw the guys, I saw the Illinois team last week. They played a tournament in Tucson, and I was kind of jealous of them, you know, they did this team practice and Coach Ball was there, and they're all pumped.

the win this tournament because they were the favorites and, you know, it's a lot of fun college golf. But then the day you turn professional is just you and nobody else. Nobody else cares. So this is very interesting to me because we've mocked and made fun of the team thing the whole time. You play for a team called the range goats. There's teams, the fireballs and we've made fun of the logos and the bullshit. Again, we've mocked it and we've probably come off like total cock suckers mocking it the whole time. Not there's anything wrong with that.

But it seems to me, in learning a lot about you, is that actually the team aspect for you and the camaraderie and all that is actually a huge part of what drew you to it and what you're enjoying about it. 100%. I mean, everybody knows Harold Varner. I've known Harold. I played the NCAA nationals with him. I loved him when I met him. He's the most likable guy ever. having dinner with him it's a one man show but you can't stop laughing like being around those people that makes life fun but if you break that down

that just means you didn't have friends on the PGA tour I mean we're talking about going to dinner with like teammates it's the same as like if you had a good group of buddies on the PGA tour you'd just be going to dinner with them on the road wouldn't you? Yeah but I just didn't know anybody there you know there's obviously zero other Belgians that played on tour you know some of the Europeans that went over

and played they have to make the move. They move their family over there. They sometimes travel with their family. And you're just an outsider, you know? And the first time I played on tour in America, I didn't have a big team around me. I mostly traveled on my own. So yeah, it's quite lonely. So when you're watching events, like we've been talking about, PGA Tour definitely has had a pretty good start to their season. You're watching the waste management. You're watching the players. Has there been a moment where you're like, I miss being out there right now? And do you think that'll ever take over like all the other good things that are coming to you with live where the camaraderie

not being homesick or do you do feel like when you're watching those guys competing for these high elevated events and playing against the best players in the world are you feeling any miss like missing that at all or no um honestly no um i still watch it i love watching it um but no man i'm at home with my kids i love it ever since i became a dad obviously for the for the second time now life a lot for me. I wanted to be home a bit more. I'm so rational that if I make a choice, I'm not going to think about what I could have done

or what I'm going to miss or I just think that's a bad way to live life. So no. What is the vibe at these live events between players compared to the PGA tour? Because you're making it sound like there's a bit more camaraderie, obviously team to team. But there's been a lot of talk

about you pay guys up front. Are they still going to have the motivation? And people are still going to be practicing as hard. I've been to a few live events and it doesn't, guys are definitely in a better mood. And I think part of that is because they're taking care of. And part of it is because if you're C-Wan Kim and you shoot 23 over par, you're still leaving with $120,000 in your pocket.

So what is the vibe different? Honestly speaking. Maybe for some guys, but not for me. I've only played two and I haven't played well. I finished 34th and whatever. And I was taking my caddy. I was broken, you know, I didn't play well, I didn't score well. And we, we just, it felt like a missed cut both, both times.

And yeah, of course you get, you come home and you've made 150 grand, but that's not the thing. Like, I still want to win golf tournaments and I still want to, you know, what Danny, Danny Lee does not, he's won and I'll credit to him, but that's not fake the way, you know, the way he celebrated. It's just, that's pure emotion. Yeah. What's the orientation process like?

Like once you're like, okay, I'm a, I'm a live guy now. I've signed. You get like a packet that's like, you know, you're a range goat. Here's like your gear. Here's when you have to enlist in like the Saudi Arabian infantry. Like what's your, what is the, what does that packet look like? What's the orientation process like once you sign? It went really quick for me.

You know, I still wear my Nike clothes. I still have all my contracts. They honor that. Oh man, everything's so new. I think, you know, a lot of moving parts between the teams now. You obviously have guys leading the range go team. At this point, I just go and play and try and win and try and obviously bring scores to the team. And for the future, I really don't know.

I mean, next year, I know we're all going to be playing the same close, same tour bag. Some teams have that right now, but I couldn't get out of my contract and I didn't really want to. So, yeah. If you had any conversation with, like I mentioned off the top that you were teammates with Rory in 2016, do you have any conversations with Rory or any kind of the Armandahan or anybody kind of higher up, it feels like, in the decision process and the publicly facing PGA tour people? PGA tour not because I just didn't know any of those people. but I called Keith Pelly.

I called, you know, all the guys that I needed to call it the European tour before, you know, when I made my decision. And they all respected me a lot for doing that. Nobody, you know, gave me a bad worth or, or, oh, there's something bad about me. They all respected it. It's just a choice. And, yeah, that's, you just move on, I guess. It's like I said, with your case and the more I kind of understood it and the fact that where do you, where do you call home base?

Where do you live full time? I'm an enthorpe. I don't live with my mom. I just hear it to pick up my kid. It does seem, especially with how, you know, international, the live golf, you know, tour is becoming more Australian stops, European stops or at least, you know, even non-U.S. stops that it doesn't it doesn't feel like a as as big of a even transition for you as it might for other golfers do you do you do you sense out there from some of the more like u.s base kind of pGA tour staple type players that it is much different for them at all um yeah not right now

because we're all playing in america so much so um you know i still have to play i still have to fly back and four so it's not ideal for me at this point but I know in the future they're going to want to move to a more global tour um and that's kind of what I like because every time I fly to America you know like see some of the guys have to do it but it's it was an 11 or 12 hour flight you know I've got eight hour time difference I was I was broken you know I'd wake up at 2 in the morning and you have to go and play it's it's not ideal but um that's how I felt when I played on the PGA as well. I was always, you know, I felt like I was physically fine on a Friday and then sometimes you missed a cut before that. Why do you think there is such a difference in vibe between

the PGA tour and the European tour as far as camaraderie and as far as attitude, between relationships between the players? I really don't know. On the on the European tour, I'd say, our DP world, like a lot of the countries will kind of stay together. Obviously, we only have three guys on tour. You know, we're all good friends. I really don't know. I mean, I can't really put my finger on it. The golf capital of the world,

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of money going out. You got a good amount of that money. Congratulations to you. That's great. Money is kind of the money's the goal. We all wish we had more money. are you do you do you do you worry about that do you think about that are you in tune with that at all of like how live is going to evolve into a legitimate sustainable business um you know it's not

really my part to worry about that i i do want to be informed about it obviously they have a long-term plan so i i definitely hope they get it done and and they get a good you know a good network i think cw for them is a good fit right now. We had a player meeting and all the stuff they're saying there is very promising and positive. Obviously, a new business is always tough to start, but when you have funding like that, it's going to make it a little bit easier, I guess. Yeah, in the end, like I said, it's for me, it's just golf right now. Do you think the team aspect of golf has a chance to take off? Obviously, it works from you from your angle, But do you think it has the legs to take off from a viewership perspective?

Like the big names that have jumped and gone to live have been like, this is disruption. We're creating a new style and we think this is going to be sustainable and help turn it into a legitimate business model. Do you think the viewership will come to like team golf more than something else? Obviously, I can't look in the future, but I like it. All my friends that watch golf now, they like it. you know, kids out there with range goat t-shirts and, and,

um, yeah, man, I think you still laugh when I say a range goat. That's funny. Well, I mean, there's a funny range-goat t-shirt.

I mean, I might, I might like a range-goat t-shirt. Like, I don't, I don't know. It's going to be cool. It's kind of,

I'm telling you. Yeah, I don't know how you could not have good, right, range goat, if anything, it'd be good for T-shirts. Yeah.

I mean, we all, I mean, the names are insane, right? Like, you got to get to the point where like your team Mercedes or something like it's it's got to be like formula one you can't be the range goats forever i mean that's just you're not going to turn into the yankees it's just like not going to catch i mean i personally don't think that'll catch on i've always said i think the team aspect works if it's like team tailor made versus team Nike versus team titleist like that's where like we all can use that stuff we're using their clubs we're driving the cars like that's where it becomes a real thing i'm assuming when you're in these meetings they're like that's where we're heading to like we're heading to these huge sponsorship model And I do think that that could be successful.

I really do. It's just a matter of like you guys are only a year into it. Honestly, amazing to be where you're at, where you're starting your second season. No one thought that the live was going to be at this point where it's an actual thing. You guys got so many golfers over there. But I can't, I can't sit on this podcast and say that the range goats are like a cool thing. There's no way. I mean, I know you have to say it.

But come on, man, that name's outrageous. I didn't choose it. I know he did. I think it's a cool. logo but um yeah as far as going forward you know that's that's that's kind of bubba's thing you know he's he's obviously the team owner and um i think he's a smart guy obviously he's done he's made some good decisions on the business end so i i kind of trust him in that do you do you think we got some tears out of bubble watson on this podcast we got some tears out of him we did yeah i like bubble watson he's a great

guy yeah just for the record did did you do you get the sense that the captains knew what they were signing up for because they are like you said they are running a business basically they're like you know they're in a big part of their role is finding sponsorships and and growing the brand and so for you it might just be golf but for them it's something completely different yeah i do feel like that i mean um bubba is is very involved with on the business and um he's always briefing us on stuff that he's got going uh possible sponsorships um and like i said it looks promising it's just um it's so new that I know personally a lot of the big sponsors in Gauls. I'm not going to name brands or companies, but they're kind of awaiting all these lawsuits. And some of these companies have big,

big markets in Saudi or anywhere else. And I think they'd want a sponsor, but they're just kind of holding back right now. Are you, so our, the biggest criticism has obviously come from the funding. The biggest criticism has come from. And we talked about this a lot of the show of, and I'm glad we got into the business aspect of it and trying to talk about that first. Because from our standpoint, and I think that this ultimately, I do believe a lot of the golfers want to play golf. I believe a lot of the, even the executives on the teams or related to the teams or related to the production have come from the PJ tour, from Golf Channel or from even Augusta National that are trying to run a good production. but at the top, the biggest concern has been that very, very bad people, largely from the Saudi Arabian regime, are funding this entire thing. And they're also getting into Formula One.

They're also getting into Premier League and other things, not necessarily to turn a profit, not necessarily to create these sustainable businesses, but largely to cleanse their reputation globally. And if these things fail or don't necessarily turn a profit, yeah, let's try to not lose tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. But that's not really the, and goal. Are you at all concerned? And I think any natural human would be like, okay, I want to at least not have to like ring my hands of blood every time I cash a check. Are you concerned at all about where the money comes from? No, not really. I don't really get into that. I know my money comes from an American-based company. So, you know, it's, it is what it is right now. You know, I think this, the,

the PIF is in about 150 boards or if I'm not wrong. So anything you touch on a daily basis is funded by Saudi money. So I think it's a bit hypocritical, some of the things that are being said. But yeah, it's obviously the things that have happened are horrible. But I'm here to play golf. Yeah, it's not really something I want to go into. I knew that question was going to be asked. but I don't really have an answer for that.

Do you think the aversion to Saudi is more of an American thing than a European thing? Because it does seem like you know, you guys are closer, obviously, proximity. But also they've been more involved in European sports and culture more so than America in the past. I've been playing golf in the Middle East for 10 years, 12 years, and it's never been a problem. So, yeah, I think it's definitely obviously the media and yeah, yeah, that has blown it up. up obviously but um you know i've personally i've not gotten any especially here in belgium any comments about that um it's more criticism of maybe you know i've gone too soon in my career that's kind of the the things i've gotten but um none of that now yeah it does feel like it quieted down

i mean this time last year like it feels like you did did you even get much blowback in a in a negative way when you when you signed yeah for about a week it was brutal on twitter and and you know i felt bad for my, you know, my girlfriend reading all that stuff. And my mom, I was a bit worried at her golf club she would get some, um, some comments. But right now, nothing really, you know, so. Your mom's a big mom, you want, what, what clubs your mom play out of? I like that. I like that she's like, how into golf she? Oh, they're all, my dad, my dad's a manager at the golf club. My mom plays there. Um, mom plays a, she's just about to get single handicapped. So that's, that's big for her.

Wow. So I know in Germany, I know obviously you're Belgium, not sure, but in Germany it's very, golf's very like exclusive to people that are really, really like, don't you have to have a certain handicap? So I guess my whole question is like, is it, is it similar at all like that in Belgium or is it closer to sort of UK? Yeah, you do have, you have to, you have to like a permit, you know, whatever to play golf, which is, it's still weird to me. You know, you have to. I had to do the exam when I were. like eight or nine and I couldn't write yet and I remember having to go around on a buggy on the golf course I have to do like an oral exam to like he point at the red stakes and like what does that mean and the yellow sticks what does that mean wow so like my friends that start to play golf have to do a written exam which is strange yeah isn't that insane yeah I knew it was like that in germany but I wasn't sure in Belgium but that sounds pretty similar yeah you have to have like a permit to play courses because what is the reasoning because there's so few courses

that they're trying to keep it to people that are in tune with the game to some level or something? I guess so. I guess they just want people to know the rules before they play. But I think that that whole thing comes with, that's the problem with golf in Belgium. It's a bit, you know, there's a boundary to get over. I wanted to ask about the sense among, you know, there's definitely a sense of, it seems like from the outside of us against the world among these live players, where they feel like everybody's, you know, kind of feels like they're villains and they want to stick together and kind of prove it.

do you feel that way? Is there a sense of, you know, these guys are talking bad about us. They've made us out to be the enemy, so let's go and show them what we can do with the masters. No, not at all. Well, at least not for me. You know, I got plenty of texts from friends on the Deepi World Tour. Thank you. I'm going to miss you, whatever. But no, for me, it doesn't feel that way at all. And maybe because I haven't been there since the start. But to me, it's exciting this new thing. And, you know, obviously could be my last master's. I don't know. But yeah, it is what it is.

And I'm going to enjoy it. And obviously, I go there and try and win just like all the majors this year. I respect you in this way because I feel like you prioritize your happiness over whatever anyone else thinks that you should do. So, yeah, you just said this could be your last master's. And you've accepted that because you feel like you'll be happier doing this even if you can't play in those masters. You're a guy who's been getting in on his world ranking recently. And again, if nothing changes, you're right. This could well be your last masters.

Can you talk us through how difficult that process has been of being like, I'm going to willfully turn away from these majors, which have been made out to be everything. And I've been a goal for my whole life. And you've made a decision where you've said, okay, maybe that's not for me. Yeah, I've played, obviously I've done 10 years of being on the road and trying to achieve my dreams.

and I'm not Rory or I'm not Tiger. I'm not going to be in the history books or have a massive legacy. And that's okay. I've made an unbelievable living out of golf, which is amazing for me and my misses and my kids. Yeah, and no, I don't worry about that at all, actually. Like you say, I think happiness is just sport.

It's just golf. Happiness is so much more than just playing golf. You're a six foot five. athlete you've always hit the ball a mile the golf ball rollback proposals that came out in the last couple weeks

where do you stand on potentially rolling the golf ball back? I haven't even read it I'm sorry do you want a quick little like a little synopsis? I don't care I'm sorry I really don't care incredible that's actually the best answer I think you could have given

it is what it is like what in my opinion I don't know I just have you like doll for there you don't overthink things at all i don't know nothing matters nothing matters to you which is like a great place to be like mentally i mean none of this stuff matters to you right because we like other players from live that we if we would have had them on like they would have been like no it's about disruption it's about changing the game it's about this is how it's supposed to be this is the way it's going to go this is how we're going to do it you're just kind of like i want to be happy and i it's it's a hard thing like to have dinner with hv3

The HB3 is a really funny guy. I'm going to go to live to hang out with him. It's an interesting disposition. Same with Taylor on our team and Bubba as well. It's like it's so easy to get along with these guys. I feel like they've made a decision and they're just happy. I feel like golfers have gotten too opinionated about everything. And I'm just here to play golf and that's it.

Really, I'm not dumb. I just maybe I'll come across dumb, but I just, like I said, I just want to be happy, man. That's all. No, I mean, it's kind of like a bulletproof, like, way to kind of call it up this. We can't, like, we can't, like, really, like, say anything to you. You just like, I don't care. Like, I might miss the masters forever. I just don't care. And it's, I mean, I guess this is an impossible question to answer, but like, do you think had you had more success in your first 10 years, you would have felt this same way?

Yeah, possibly. I mean, if I had won a major or two and, like, I'm trying to chase another two or three. Yeah, maybe. But I am where I am, and I'm happy I made the decision. That's the most realistic way to look at it. Yeah, you could go back in time and be like, had I been more in the mix and I tried a chance to win all these majors. Yeah, probably I'm like chasing a legacy, but I didn't.

And now I'm here. And I don't have to chase a legacy because it's not there and I'm just going to get paid. If you're a player impact program and you were, you know, top 10 in the world and you were one of these guys who were like tapped on the shoulder and then maybe your reality would be different, but you're dealing with your reality as it is today. Hey, man, if my grandma would have wheels, she'd be a bike. Yeah, right. There you go.

Look, I, uh, it reminds me of my, I remember my dad, my dad taught me at a young age. He was like, yeah, man, whenever I get in trouble with your mom, I just say I forgot. He was like, that's just a bulletproof thing that she could be like, you're such an idiot. He'd be like, I, I know, I forgot. And he's like, you can never really get in trouble if you just forgot. And now you reminded me that like I just don't care. I got a new rule. Yeah, I didn't even read them.

Like I just don't care. I'm trying to be happy. I got my kids and my girlfriend and I'm making millions of dollars playing golf 14 times a year around the world. Like I don't care. So I do think I don't know how anybody could really hate on that. I really don't. It's never been about some of the guys that's been personally where you're like,

fuck that guy and the way he's talked and all that stuff. Like, but we've really talked about the. entity and like what it is, what they're trying to achieve. And like, if it's even fun to watch on our standpoint, like, why are they pulling us away from the PJ tour? But personally, for Thomas Peters, like, it's been very hard to say why he, like, to really like kind of try and find the holes into why people made that decision. We know why everyone made the decision. It's like, if you're just a normal, rational person, you could see why someone would sign on that line. So I don't take anything away from you personally for why you did it. I think the discussion will continue,

on like if it's worth our time to even give it our time. You know what I mean? Like that's where it's going to continue for me personally, where it's like, why would I watch Live over the players? Like I'm just like, that's going to be our dumb podcast arguments. But personally,

I mean, you've made all your points and it makes sense. I mean, if you're a DJ fan or a Cam Smith fan or even fan of me and you want to watch me play, then you tune in to live. And if you don't want to watch me play, then you don't watch it.

It's easy. This podcast can't really. cook, right? Anybody on this show cooked particularly well? No, sir. Nope. No. I wish I did. Grew up in a restaurant, in a kitchen. Anybody watch your word. Like, wish you could just spend more time cooking and cleaning dishes. That's something that you're kind of desiring and you're free in your free time there, fellas?

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in Illinois, would you do? it if I would go back yeah oh man it was so much fun yeah of course were you just like the biggest legend of all time you were tall belgian guy you won the nca's the illinois they get after it oh man I was so shy my english is so bad I think coach ball oh they must have loved that yeah right it's like oh yeah I'll show him around I'll show him what it's like with this illinois golf and like his belgian fucking hat and they're like the girls are like who is six foot five stallion. I think he's six seven speaking, I think he's six seven.

Coach Mal definitely pulled some strings to get me in, you know, my my FAT or whatever that thing is, was not great. And I remember saying like, he was like, what would you want to study? He was like the easiest, please. So, um, I take the easy ones.

Yeah, I'll take like getting 101. But yeah, it was amazing, man. Coach Mall, we had a small team, so that was, that was why I went there. I didn't want to go to a really warm place because I'm not used to that. And we had great guys coming out of there. You know, Luke Guthrie, Scott Langley,

they both got straight on tour. Yeah, there's obviously a big... Coach Mall is a big part of their success for the last 15 years, guy. Because, like, the biggest legend in college golf has been up there forever. Yeah, the orange and everything. I'm from, you know, a neighboring from Missouri,

Missouri, so we didn't necessarily love Illinois, but it is iconic. I'm from Iowa. I'm right next door. Yeah, so it's not great. Hard for me to... I mean, I can't sit in the show and not be like, we would just make fun of Illinois and how fucking dog shit that state is. We're not going to get into that.

But yeah, I have to imagine that you were a hit coming into that school as this, you know, tall, handsome, barely. Like the, you, you probably, like, tried not to be able to speak English that well. Like, oh, yeah, my accent. I'm from, like, Belgium. Sorry. What? What are you saying? You're all right.

I was obviously, you have to learn English to, like, you know, make a decent conversation. but like I would sit in the academic building and trying to write a two-page paper, you know, not being able to like form a sentence is quite tough. And I would, you don't need to write, you don't need to write papers. I would just, just, I would write like. Have somebody else doing play golf. I would write like two sentences and then the lady that would help me, Debbie,

she would like finish the paper for me. Debbie, Debbie definitely loved you. Debbie loved you. Yeah. Debbie's like, I'm getting this guy through fucking college. No problem. Not on my watch is he getting kicked out of here. Do you have any sense of what's going to happen with the Ryder Cup this year?

I mean, I have a sense you're going to say, I don't know. It's whatever happens happens, but do you have any opinions on it or do you have any inside information on if you think Livkaz will be allowed? I definitely don't have any inside information on it, but I just kind of hope they want to pick the best team. You know, I want to win on Liv and hopefully I get on a good run over the summer and I play really well in the majors and I text it with Luke

and I said hopefully I can make it really hard on you not to pick me so again same thing there you know it's kind of on balls in their courts they obviously own the rider cups together with the PGA tour I think so

you know if they don't pick me because of that then it's obviously a big shame for me but you know I've played a rider cup I checked that goal and hopefully I can play one more. Unbelievable, man. You're out of control. I mean,

this is like, this is Eminem. I think he's in control. Yeah. No, it's just it's eight miles and everybody. By far, nobody else.

He just eight miles everybody. It's crazy and it's a good, it's a great way to go about life. Like, like, where could anyone, I'm trying to think of like, if I'm listening to the four play podcast and they have a live guy on,

I'm sitting in my car and I'm like trying to get angry at this interview and really try and like, fuck this guy. It's like, you're really making it difficult to have anyone be like, that guy's the worst guy on the planet for the decisions he made. I mean, you played a collection of tour events over the last couple of years. Like, me, what, barely 10 over the last two years?

You haven't really even contributed to what the PJ tour is trying to keep the guys there to build. It's like, you can't really fault the guy. He didn't even play on the tour. It's like crazy. So, I mean, I'm not going to like sit here and suck your dick after this. But like, it's just, I think you, you know, with your, the way that you think, you know, some of your appearances on. I think it's just hard to like, it's just hard. Yeah, seriously.

It's just hard to like, I don't know. A more combative, a more combative live player, it would go, it would be different. Like it would just because we would have points where it would be like, well, I don't know if we would think the part of it was disingenuous. But the argument of I just want to be happy and provide for my family is a hard one to poke through. Yeah. I feel like we're in a day and age with social media and podcasts and then TV shows where. People always try to find something to hate this guide. And, you know, you could also not do that.

It's just a choice. Yeah. We say that all the time about our, I mean, everyone hates us too. So, I mean, I don't like you. I'll listen to it. You know, Dan's all right. All the rest of you guys are great. But we say the same thing.

We're like, someone will comment on like Riggs's day and the night. They'd be like, this fucking, my eyes are bleeding. And we're just like, just don't watch it. They're actually just like, go right back. It's not complicated. Yep, you get that with everything. It's just like your choice. I don't know if you've seen that bit from Ricky Jervais on Twitter.

Like that is exactly what it is. Right. Yeah, exactly. He's always doing like, you follow me? No, it's where he's, have you not seen it with the billboard in the town center? No, I don't think so. I feel like I've seen. Please, please go and watch it afterwards.

I don't want to explain it all of Joe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's super fair. Add a little link to the podcast or whatever. Okay. That's my soundcloser. Yeah.

That's right. When's the next event? Because I think we, I mean, yeah, I don't know how we, we got. If there's one guy, if there's one live guy we got, I think now it's Thomas Peters. I don't know how we can't. Next week in Orlando. I don't know what court we're playing. Favorite place.

I was going to Disney. I definitely not there. He's mad when I play. When I play Bay Hill. Why don't you bring your daughters, bring your daughters and go to Disney? Then you could have your whole family. You wouldn't be so homesick. That sounds like a no-brainer.

Yeah, man, maybe if they're a bit older, one's only four months. I'm not sure if you can enjoy Disney. Not going to remember it. So it's like, why? Yeah, exactly. By that logic, you should just keep her in a closet until she's four years old. And then she'll remember things. You come into Augusta.

Hold on. Well, she's not going to remember that either. No, but she left pictures. She'll be on the Part 3 contest. That Nate Bargatsy joke, though. It's so good. One of our favorite comedians, he's like, people will be like, why did you bring her to Disney. She can't remember it. And he's like, so you want me to just put her in a closet and open the

door and be like, you remember yesterday? No, all right. And just close it up. Every day. Every day until she remembers. And you just bring her out. Yeah, the picture's in Augusta, that'll be, that's worth it. Yeah. For sure. Oh, yeah. That's great. Do you think there's going to be a brawl at the dinner, the champion's dinner? We talked about it. Maybe some punches, a slap across the face, maybe. I'm happy. I'm out there. I don't want any cheeseburgers. Oh, ho. You really do. Come on, man. Come on. You don't like cheeseburgers?

Who are you? I mean, if you could choose any meal, like, you go cheeseburgers? He's going steak. He's going. He's going. He's going to tax the appetizing, man. Sorry, I thought a 14-course tasting meal with, you know, ants and escargo. We finally got what we wanted.

We got a live PJ tour beef, and it's Scotty and Thomas over the champion's dinner meal. We finally found the one thing we can, like, everyone in their car is like, fuck Thomas Peters now. Yeah. Because you like good food. Yeah. Cheeseburger sliders are great. They're probably going to be the best fucking sliders anyone's ever had. I'm sure it'll be good.

They're going to be like wagoos, like cheeseburgers. I'm sure. You don't like cheeseburgers? Really? Of course, I like a cheeseburger, but like... What would your master's dinner be? You got to win this next one. Yeah, it'll be very different.

Have you thought about if you win this one? Like, if a live guy wins this one, it's going to be a scene. And like, you win this math, you win this golf tournament in two weeks and like the whole landscape changes. Yeah, but who like that's because the media is going to make it that way. There's some truth, but like, though. But you could say that's still real life. Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm going to feel amazing putting that green jacket on that. That's going to, that's going to feel real. And I can go back for the rest of my life. It's going to be amazing. Yeah, but the landscape for sure would shift. It'd be like, all right, another guy that's not on the PJ tour is going to be like a

forever member here and like is coming back to the champion's dinner. Like who, like, if you just continue to keep infiltrating that champion's dinner table, it does change like history of golf. I mean, the more live jackets that walk into that door, the better for Liv, I would assume, no? Yeah, but like, I feel like when I go to live, like, there's not a competition between Live and the PGA Tour, and I think that the world is making it a competition. I feel like at some points we're going to have to coexist I don't know in what form or when

but I think it could happen yeah I mean the competition is coming from Monaghan and the shark I mean that's where I mean that's Greg Norman's for sure being like oh you guys had the waste management we have the waste management down under in Australia we're building the same thing it's like disruption

all the you know the parties and stuff and the neon lights yeah I don't think the executive that live are as peaceful or I don't know, peaceful's right word or as chill, like there's definitely a little bit of competition It's a big dick contest. Like who has the little money?

Norman's probably going to win that one. He's got a hammer. For sure. Hammer shark. One up. One up. I mean, we've seen it. We all know.

I did a, they should do like a presidential debate style. Just Norman Monaghan. That'd be incredible. Get him up there. Get one of the moderators. Yep. Yep. Yep.

I'll moderate it. No problem. Get up there and just where they each get like two minutes. Then they get like a 60 second rebuttal. And there's an audience that's not allowed to like clap or cheer, but they do when somebody buries the other person. Like they should do a televised debate between the two of them. How about a boxing match?

I would, I would wager that Thomas wouldn't even watch that debate. I said, how about a boxing match? I'll take, Greg. Rough and rowdy. We'll do it. See, that's what I think any physical altercation is not fair. Because I do think like Norman,

And your guy is still just a stallion. There was some chatter that he's like being kind of slowly pushed aside. Is that, is he around? Is that not true? I don't think so. I mean, I see him every day. He's very,

very present. I saw him posting a lot again this last weekend from Tucson. Feel that weight between his legs. Hear it coming. You feel it? Like what T-Rex comes? Presence, like a presence.

There's a glass of water shaking. Dumb-d-d-d-d-d-d- Dun that. This has been very interesting. Yeah. No. I agree. You'd have to be an inhumane asshole to like,

like have this conversation and be like, fuck. Like it's just a, we're just people talking. Yeah. I'm not here to like, you guys love live or convince you to live. I just wanted to have a chat with you guys and kind of tell you why I did this.

And I think you guys liked it. So. No, we appreciate it because I think we've had a few. other ones lined up and they kind of fell through or they're like maybe i'll do it maybe i won't and then yeah for you to come on i mean you're the first one to do it so we do appreciate that uh i want to belgium belgium is like uh isn't it sneaky one of the most it's probably one of the more underrated like tourist places to go bruges baby all time yeah isn't it just an insanely beautiful mix of like the landscape and obviously the history is in belgium just off the charts like

gorgeous. It is beautiful. You know, every time I come home and I live in a port city, it's stunning, man. I go for walks with my kids and my misses and it's, I couldn't move. I just could not. Does it blow your mind when these guys move to

like living in Jupiter? That's just so far from what you could ever do with your life. You need the culture and walkability. Man, to be like in and around golf 24-7, I don't think I would survive. What's this town you live in? Antwerp. oh there it is

oh baby it's a different world it's a different life look at these fucking statues and shit this that's what I'm talking about man we gotta go to Belgium look at this architecture we got beautiful golf courses as well

I kid a Matt we gotta get that permit to get out are you friends with Kevin DeBrena not with him personally but some of the other footballers yeah these guys don't know who that is this is Katie B's an absolute light you see this statue on this rock

you go see this thing all the time this blue one here just blue one I can if you can share your screen I can see it but hold on the blue statue in your home city dude this is this thing's oh that one yeah yeah it's the what's it called here yeah it's at the the like the grand class

is yeah yeah holy shit yeah I mean this is like that's what Belgium looks like when I think of it when I close my eyes that's like what I picture is that bruges that's bruges yeah you guys should Watch in Bruges if you haven't seen it.

It's an amazing movie. Those are the guys that were in, um, In Isheran. Yeah. Banshees in a Sharon. Yeah. Uh, this guy,

so you're living here. You're making millions of dollars. You're playing golf. Yeah, I mean, I get it. I get it. All right.

This is, yeah, I'm still looking at these pictures of this and turvis place is cool. Um, yeah. All right. Well, look,

we appreciate it. Obviously, appreciate the time. Monumental. First live, first live, really, anybody. No executives, no employees, no players, our first player we ever had on the show. That's

officially a live golfer. You seem very content. You seem like a happy person, which I think that's kind of the goal in life. So you're content, you're happy, you're pretty rich, you got a nice family. It's hard to hate on that, like Frankie said. Yeah. I mean, I obviously Dan asked me to come on the podcast and, you know, all the media stuff you have to go through a lady at live. And she said, absolutely fine if you want to do it um and obviously i haven't i haven't met down last year a couple times the um you know we were even in the same uh netflix uh episode so i i really wanted to do this and and it's been lovely to to meet all you guys really because i've never really met you we got uh we'll be in augusta so maybe we'll see in augusta yeah please to hide don't

don't black me that would be all awesome we like it's hard to miss you six for four walking around Do you think that Bryson and like Patrick, the guys who are wearing all the live stuff, are they going to wear that during the Masters? I don't think so. I mean, there's no reason to like, you know, throw up oil. Instigate. Yeah. I don't think anybody wants to do that at this point.

If you do, I think you're in it for the wrong reasons. Maybe one or two guys will. And I think that's a shame. But I think Augusta is such a, so much history, so peaceful, just wear a plain polo short and play golf. Yeah, we got to get Siwu Kim and his like PJ tour sweatshirt, like, paired with Patrick Reed and a live sweatshirt. It's like, green coats are going to be like rolling over. Reed at, uh, when he played in Dubai, was he was rocking like a live, wasn't he locking like a live hat, I think? Yeah, could be.

I mean, maybe it's, it's in his contract that he can't wear anything else could be. Yeah. I guess, I mean, that's not really that end if he was wearing like a live hat. but I do think if you like if Sergio comes out in like fireballs head to toe that's a little bit that would be a little bit antagonistic I would say I would be uh I think I think nobody's going to do that yeah that'd be a smart move it'd be a smart move that's what we're they could say well then they could say you know we're we're here for the good of the game and if they do wear it it's like you okay you're you're throwing gas in the fire here yeah exactly all right Thomas we appreciate it man

thank you for the time uh gave us like a full hour and uh and yeah I think you're a very, uh, you're very easy person to understand, really. Yeah, my English has gotten a lot better, right? Oh, yeah. Much better. Yeah, but you still put, you still make it sound worse when you talk to women, I bet. Uh, no, I, I've got two kids, ma'am. I've got a lovely girlfriend.

I, uh, I'm not going out for, for anything new. His English is sound now. Uh, thanks for the time. Good luck with everything. And, uh, hopefully we'll see you in Augusta. Thanks, guys. See in a couple weeks. Thanks, Thomas.

See ya. Thanks.