Fore Play - Looking Acute, ft. Super Bowl Champion Johnny Hekker

Episode Date: March 17, 2022

Max Homa Scramble is live. We discuss — Lurch’s acting chops, LIV golf league’s announced schedule of events, and Kiz losing Dewey due to stomach bug and still fighting his way to a $980K Wad Wednesday with Tillery on the bag. In From The Gallery, has Tiger hit his putter more than we’ve hit total golf shots combined? Who retires with a better career, Spieth or Rahm? Then we’re joined by LA Rams punter and Super Bowl champion, Johnny Hekker, to discuss the art of punting, golf in the Pacific Northwest, and executing fake punts.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For Play, by personal sports, it is Thursday, March 17, 2022. We got the entire squadron on this show as myself, Trent, Frankie, and Lurch. Big shout to Jake Bass and Brendan Jones for everything that they do, especially Brendan Jones right now with the Max Homa video popping off. Almost two hours, an hour, 50 minutes, editing right up until the day. deadline as is expected. There's just audio from five different people, audio tracks,

GoPro, a bunch of cameras on the course, drones, drones flying into fucking trees, fans, all kinds of stuff going into that edit. I imagine we will definitely get into that video. And then we have a Super Bowl champion, L.A. Rams punter. Johnny Hecker joins the show who's a huge golfer. We get into obviously golf, golf experiences, golf compared to punting, the specialization of punting, winning a Super Bowl. A lot of good stuff at the end of the show, so stick around for that.

But boys, the Max Homa videos out. It's doing extremely well. People love the scramble. It's pretty much where it comes down to. It's a monster, an absolute monster. I tweeted out this photo of the editing timeline from Brennan Jones last night. And it really is such a, it's such a, you have to take a step back when you see something like that, because how much work goes into these videos is psychotic.

So for all the viewers and even for us, it's just a reminder of like no other YouTube page. And you can go look. Like no other YouTube page is doing what these guys are doing. Like yeah, we're putting out the video. Like we're in the videos and stuff and we're traveling around and we're making the content. But at the end of the day, it has to be edited and put down on a timeline. That fucking timeline would take most people fucking months. It's crazy what is happening.

I got so many DMs from actual editors being like, I can't even look at that right now. Like that's giving me so much fucking anxiety and looking at how many cameras, how many pieces of audio, how many transitions, how many fucking colorizations that he's doing. And the fact that last week he put out a Rory video, this week he did that video. And next week we have another Rory video coming out. The biggest videos of our careers are just coming out within three weeks. And they're nonstop crazy action. This was an hour and 50 minute video. And he had to take stuff out.

Like that's just the good stuff. So it's fucking insane what they're doing. I can't imagine. I used to stress having to put out a pizza review for four minutes, a four minute edited pizza review, like when I had a day to edit it. And this guy's putting out an hour and 50 minute full on golf match in a week. Come on, man. It's crazy.

It's absolutely insane. Yeah. I know what Brendan does, but I don't know what he does. Like, I certainly don't fully appreciate. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know where he sits and I know what he, like I know that we act like jackasses on camera for like six hours with a professional golfer. I hug my parents. And then we hand him a bunch of footage and are just like, all right, man, good luck with that. And then I, you know, back when I first started a barstool,

I would edit my own videos. So I had like a very, I had a low level of knowledge in terms of how to edit a video. But the, what goes into what he does is something that I don't understand. And hearing from people like Frankie is saying who actually know what they're doing in terms of editing and knowing how much of a monster Brendan is and his capabilities to be able to do it in that short amount of time. It's awesome because I watched the video last night and it's fucking perfect.

Like it's exactly what we all wanted it to be. It had all the moments. It had all the footage. It had all the mic tracks. And it just, I just, it goes into a factory back there. Brendan Jones is the one-man factory. And he just puts it out.

It's super impressive. So shout out to him. It's an hour and 50 minutes. I mean, it's a full film. It's like these films take other Years to produce Years to make that right

It's an hour and 50 Like that's a crazy statistic And it flows and was perfect And told the story And people like You know it's awesome Because people loved it Max is a complete beauty

It was so fun playing with him And there's just crazy amount of storylines Just in that 18 holes I mean I think honestly The best moment in foreplay history When Transparence are just there So if you haven't seen that You've got to at least go into the video

and find that moment because that's the most special thing I've ever seen in my life. But yeah, shout out to him. Shout out to the team getting all done. It was exceptional. And it is exceptional. Yeah, you know, we're able to obviously go out and play and fuck around and set all this stuff up and have these relationships and back and forth and chirps with the players. You don't realize like nobody would see any of it if it weren't for that.

Nobody would see a fucking thing. And people when we first film them say, you know, Winston-Homa thing come out. I'm like, do you guys, he has to edit a feature film? An hour and 50 minutes is longer than a lot of movies with drone footage, colorization, everything else. And frankly just said, and on top of that, we're putting out other shit all of the time as well.

Like Rory came out, Harry Higgs came out in between that time. So enormous work by eBug, by Jake, by our whole staff behind the scenes, Avery and everybody that came out and filmed with us. We very much appreciated. Nick, I believe, was out there as well. Fasoli, he flew out, he flew the drone into the tree. Fasoli right into the fucking tree, which we've all done before. I did it at the Tommy Fleetwood shoot.

Pretty much the exact same move. You're doing when it really, when you're really vulnerable as a drone pilot is when you're doing that sort of spin around reveal orbital shot. And you just, you got like 75% of your vision is blind at that point. You're just flying towards what you can't see. But you're so focused on the shot. fingers need to be locked in. You need to have really good control and touch to kind of spin the gimbal and the drone at the same time.

And then you just hit a fucking tree and it's all over. And that happened to him. I will say, he didn't even really seem to care. I mean, the guy was like, he was like, yeah,

whatever. You know, like, I don't think his heart rate even went up a one beat per second. Like, I would love to see his whoop in that matter because I don't think it affected him at all. Because at one point, the drone went in there kind of like amazingly.

enough restabilized itself and was flying. And then I think he blasted it right into the trees again. And that's when he came down. It was really exceptional to see the lack of excitement when he crashed the drunk. It was just, I don't want to say lack of care

because maybe he did. Maybe that's just the way that Fasolias, but like he didn't, nothing. No change. Yeah. It was cool, calm, collected, for sure. Yeah, all the way through breaking the drum. Really amazing.

Yeah, I think it was almost, you know, he was trying to remain calm someone else would just stay calm. If I just don't panic about this situation, nobody will think it's that big of a deal. But, I mean, he just flew a fucking drone right into a tree in the middle of an enormous shot. And then poor Homa.

I mean, Homa goes down. He's in a brutal spot on like a 240 yard part three. He's down there trying to chip. There's this chaos going on. So his chipping gets delayed. Hits like an okay chip. He's got a chance for par. And then Trent just makes a fucking bomb from off the green from 50 feet.

And then his parents show up. And Homa's just sitting in his car. And after that, he was in the line of card. So he couldn't even, like, just drive away from the scene. He just had to sit there and take it all in. And he was like, I'm trying to enjoy this. But I mean, this, I'm fucking getting killed. These guys are making bombs.

Trent's like a plus five handicap all of a sudden. It's a family affair. It was just chaos at that moment. That was when I thought we were going to win by six at that moment. I mean, we were just killing him. Absolutely killing. All right. We got a lot more to get to.

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If folks recall on Monday, we're all tuning in. And we just start seeing Trent's swing coach is carrying the bag. for Kevin Kisner as he's trying to win the players championship, the biggest person golf, $20 million per's, $3.6 million for first place. It would obviously be the biggest win of Kiz's career.

He almost won in 2015 against Ricky Fowler. They showed that put a bunch of times where Kiz just burned the high side on the 18th hole, 70 second hole for a chance to win. Here he comes down the stretch and they're showing him. And there's just Tillerie with the fucking

catty bib on. So nobody really knew what was going on. And we all know Kiz. I mean, Kiz could have exploded on somebody, He could have kicked Dewey off the golf course. Dewey could have fallen down a hill. He's notorious for falling and stumbling on golf courses. People start tweeting that Dewey got ill.

And so I found this quote, amazing quotes from kids who clarified this situation. He said, I didn't know he was feeling as bad as he was until I noticed he was even slower than normal. God. Fuck. And there he goes. Hopefully he's feeling all right. And then he goes, it turns out he did just have a 24-hour stomach bug, talk to Kiz, Dewey's like, fine now. He goes, John's a trip, man, every hole.

How far we got, pro? This is what Tilly was asking kids. So just thinking about these two fucking morons out there in the biggest stage in golf. And they doesn't have Dewey. JT's out there with not a care in the world. Just like, yeah, how far do you think we got here, pro? And yet Kiz is making birdie after birdie after birdie, finish his solo four, wins $980,000.

That's why there are a crew. It's crazy. I think it was the fifth or sixth hole. Something happened. Like, Kiz hit a shot and it was short. And he, like, stared at Dewey. And I was like, oh boy, that was kind of weird, like, stared at him. And I don't know if that's, like, now knowing what happened?

Like, Dewey's like, what's wrong with this guy right now? Why is he just, like, off? Because he's just staring at him. And then all of a sudden, the camera switched to, like, the side angle and you see Dewey really, like, limping and walking slow. I remember just truckling on myself being like, that's the best fucking guy on the planet right there. Dewey's just barely making it down the course.

And now knowing that he's holding in just like a massive shit or... Right, exactly. Maybe he's hearted at the top of Kisner's swing and just ruin the tempo. I mean, you know... So Dewey, it's crazy to just barely be able to make to the bathroom. I wish they had put mics on Tilleri and Kiz for that round. That would have been a great idea because just hanging out with Tillery and spending a lot of time with him. He's got to...

meaner, I feel like, for a pretty good caddy, but it might fall to the side of, like, lackadaisical. He might just be like, yeah, yeah, what do you think? What do you got here? Yeah, I heard some other quotes, and I won't, I'll maybe, or, Riggs, you got more quotes from him? Yeah, kids went on. He goes, for a little bit there as a whirlwind because they switch kind of mid-round and a lot going on, trying to figure out who had what information and who had golf balls because Dwayne, Dewey does everything.

He goes, we've been together 13 years. He's like my second wife who take care of everything And then I get the most disorganized human in the world Cadding for me in JT So good Like JT like maybe you might May or may not have like enough golf balls Like had nothing

And then I think there was like maybe rain gear The I was switching to like He was like maybe we got that Just just all over the place So good Yeah it was uh that's our crew Those are our guys kids to somehow Figures out a way to finish with a bunch of birdies

Played great Finishes fourth I think he texted me yesterday too. He's like, I'm pretty sure I won my tournament, which I think he was referring to that wave of golf. I don't know. I don't know exactly what wave the top three guys were in. Cam Smith, I think, was in the easier way.

But he was like, yeah, I won my tournament, which is obviously the guys that had the fucking shit draw and had to play in that chaos on Saturday. You think they're all acutely aware of that? Because that is interesting. Like you go play the open or something like that. Maybe you just get screwed on Weather Day. and I wonder if they do take like internal pride on that of being like well actually my you know morning and afternoon group on Thursday Friday like I won that wave through the weekend so I don't know I've never heard of that but it's kind of interesting I'm sure it was I'm sure it was more glaring this week it was pretty obvious who got the good who got the bad so but I bet they are I bet largely they are aware of like the the weather that they get and the weather the other guys get I would guess yeah I mean that's why I meant

in the open, just like in those few tournaments that it truly really affects the field, and this was obviously one of them, it would be hard to even keep track up because, like, somebody was finishing their first round on, like, felt like Sunday morning. So, anyways, just an interesting take by kids there. Yeah, you know, I think, especially after he made the comments on Saturday night about, you know, the integrity of tournament, clearly it was on his mind. Clearly, he understood that, like, they kind of got fucked. They had to play in some of the hardest conditions in the history of the PJ

Tour with that win and how big of a tournament was and how big of a purse it was. So, yeah, I mean, Kiz is a pretty cute guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he knew it weekend and week out. But in terms of like the, I don't know, I bet the average tournament nobody really cares. But yeah, Open Championship, something like that where the draw made a huge difference. I don't even know if he did win it. I don't know if those other three guys. I mean, I imagine Smith because I think Kiz would have known that.

whoever else was up there ahead of them. I don't know. I'm not sure who was in that way. But anyways, what's the, what's the definition of a cute? You guys are using it in a way

that I've never heard before. I want to say, is it like, it's an angle that's less than 90 degrees? Well, yeah, but that's, I don't think that's how we're using it. Right, right, right. You're like focusing on a small object.

Hey, Trent, are you, hey, Trent, are you a triangle? because you're acute. Nice. Thank you. I'm blushing now. But I don't think that's the way that they're using it. It makes me think of the line in Shawshank Redemption when they talk about obtuse.

And then he comes into the solitary confine me. He goes, am I still being obtuse? So, yeah, I think you can use it in speech. If you can't, you know, at least we're just going to get away with it. So you're going to have to deal with it. But I think Lurch is right. I think it's like doning in on a specific, specific smaller, like focus, right? I think so.

Like this. Okay. Oh, boy. I think you guys are probably right. I just, that's a cute. Smaller. That's Trent. Trent is making a whole shape of his hand.

Yeah, you would try. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that was interesting. I just never heard people use it that way. Hey, oh, baby, you would triangle? Because you were cute. Oh, what up, girl.

Oh. biting your like biting your lip like hey baby you're a small little triangle yeah because you're cute you don't you don't

you don't you don't even say small because acute's in the joke right but like I apologize for I apologize for this he could be an obtuse triangle

it's on you yeah I apologize actually no yeah you could you got to be a little more acute of the situation there yeah

internet says having or showing a perceptive understanding or insight Okay, so that's right You guys are using it right And I'm gonna now use that in my own life

I like that Uh, Hedric Stenson Is what are you dancing for right now Because we were using the term correctly I think it's a group we should celebrate There's a lot of things on this show We screw up And it turns out we just maybe made up a word

Frankie said drizzle Or something, what'd you say dribble? Driple In the video? I think that was more of a, Was that just more of a mispronunciation Or was that a, No, it was more like I was talking.

Yeah, and I just kind of said the wrong word. Obviously, dude's dribble into the bunker, but it's a dribble. Everyone picked up on it. Yeah. So I'm just celebrating the fact that we use it cute in the right manner. Lurch, your dance moves are making me, reminding me that we have to talk about your video,

your Happy Gilmore video that you submitted to Jake Bass. Jake Bass, are you there? Can you talk from the sky right now? What's going on? we talked about this a little bit on last last yeah but i would like to if you stuck around on youtube it was the very end of the video but i would like to further discuss the um the the process of how so so from jake bass's vantage point jac bass is obviously our our editor when and our producer when it comes to kind of quick hitter stuff he handles all of that so from jake bass's vantage point

you're sitting there on sunday okay you've had myself you've had frankie train we submitted these kind of spring-themed videos. And then what, what did you get, Jake Bass? I got a phone call. And Lurch wanted me to describe what was going on. And I was like, hey. The phone call quickly to interject was about, was this like, are we supposed to do happy Gilmore type videos, spring videos, what's going on?

And so that was, I was driving home from the airport. Why couldn't you just read from the text message? Why couldn't you read the text messages? Because it seemed like there was a little bit of. of a blend. But then I sent Lurch the videos you all did. Okay. Yeah, I think I started my acting experience prior to getting those videos. I think I was already. Okay, gotcha. So you were trying to 5.22 p.m. And I got six videos, most of which were just him fumbling the camera and heavily breathing. 26 minutes later, or 16 minutes later. Well, I thought I needed the AirPods in so the camera

could hear me because, you know, when I was at multi, when I was far away, so I was like, I'll put the AirPods in so then the phone can hear me. But then really what that did is, you know, I don't move a ton during the day, busy days sit a lot here at this desk. And when I start moving around, I breathe, I get the heavy breaths going fast. So you take these, did you do any quality control yourself of these videos or do you film them and just send them right away? There was one or two that I deleted because they were no good. Wow. Wow. The fact that there were a couple. that didn't make the cut? What did those videos?

Well, because the camera was just like totally pointed in maybe even the wrong direction. So there was just, there was none of me in there. But with regards to like, if it had a little bit of me, it was getting sent over to Jake Bass. And then what instructions,

what instructions were given to Jake Bass from a, okay. Nothing. Okay. So he just received six of those choppy videos or so with no instruction whatsoever. I responded to Lurch. I said, I'm very confused.

Ha ha. Did you, did you not just do a video of you doing lawn work? Or is that the full scene you want me to cut together? The video of you running is set in bad quality if you can resend it. And then he called me to explain it. And then I was with, I was doing something. So I said, I'll talk to you in 30 minutes. And then he said the videos are mutually exclusive.

Oh. Wow. The yard work. The yard work videos are much exclusive. But then the videos of me saying. saying, hey, I believe that's like Billy Madison's jacket or whatever the line is. He got his name

in the video too. He did the wrong movie too. Did the wrong movie. I'm sorry, did I say Billy Madison in the movie? You said that's Mr. Madison's jacket. That's not happy Gilmores, huh? No. You said that in the video? Oh yeah. If you go back and watch it, he says, excuse me, that's Mr.

Madison's jacket. Jesus. The video. Trent loves the video. I do too. I think the video is fantastic, but... Love it. I love it. I think the video that Jake Bass cut together and sent to us made me laugh so much. And it also, it's so weird that I think it could win like an avant-garde abstract, like art award. Like, it's that weird. You like, you hopping around is like, it's something like I've never seen before. It's something that I certainly couldn't create. I think you're the only. person on this podcast who has the capability of creating something so strange and just for no reason

whatsoever. It was meant to be a happy Gilmore promo with all our gear. I was switching shirts in between. There was actually one video that I'm bummed that I don't know, got deleted or didn't save or whatever the case may be of I had the camera pointed back up the hill and I hid behind the tree and there's that shot where Shooter McGavin. is running over the hill trying to put this jacket on and it was just running down the hill and for whatever reason that video itself did not make it into the Jake Bass arsenal of

lurch videos and so that's that's a shame that that didn't get to them because that was a real that was a huge piece in this in this movie the short film that i made i think what trit was trying to say too is like that you're so bad at this like this world and like this specific job like of the internet. You're so bad at the internet that you're the only person maybe on the internet that could put out a video like that because it would be perceived as like genuine and like you actually tried to make a funny video when we tried to make that video. Right. It ends up being funny. Yeah. Because you're so bad at it that it ends up being really funny. Yeah. I don't put any we all see into it. It's just like this is some dumb. No, it's not that. It's like you genuinely think it's good.

And it's so bad that it's funny. So, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And that's with a lot of this. There's going to be some disagreement from Lurch on that one, I would imagine. Right. You're so horrendously bad at this that you're, that that video is so funny. Like, like, you have to watch it a million times because you're like, look how bad this is. Yeah, I think there's definitely some of that. If I did that, they'd be like, oh, Frank, you're such a tryhard trying to, like, do something like weird.

Well, I think it's like different brands. Like you're just so, it's like, you're special. You know what I mean? Like we're, like, we're just like, look at this guy. Yeah. It's definitely two different brands. It's almost, it's like the product does it, the final version doesn't even matter. It's no.

Through the product, we can actually see the process and it's very funny to like everyone, you're basically, it's like we're there and we understand how much trouble you had to film this video. And that makes it hilarious, like being able to see how much you struggled with it. And then also part of like, the people listen to show can understand that like Jake had to like piece this together and Lurch sent it. And you probably thought it was very clear when you sent it. And like, oh, this is an obvious storyline.

Like, duh. And like everyone else. Definitely. Yeah. And everyone else is like, what the fuck is this? What am I looking at? Yeah, that's right. It took me all four and a half a team.

Yeah. The fact that you don't know how the one video didn't make it to Jake is like you were. It was a one man show. So like the only person that will ever know the answer to those questions is you, but you're the most perplexed by it. So it's like, it's just, the whole thing is, it's incredible. Like Trent said, it's just fantastic. How long did it take you, all told, the time?

Probably four minutes. Do it. Okay. Four and a half minutes, something like that, sub five. Sun was falling. I got a little notification on my little watch, the little Garmin watch that says like, hey, sunset in 10 minutes. So I knew I had to be quick with it in order to have the sunlight still.

And then, yeah, sent those over. I will say, Riggs is point. I definitely assume that like Jake got the kind of the guts of the video in terms of that scene with Mr. Larson and saying like, hey, that's Happy's jacket. And then you see shooter run over the hill and then Mr. Larson like these just preposterous shots of him running after shooter. So that was definitely the assumption. And no, there's definitely no, there's like, okay, I'll just be goofy lack of caring and just. just send this off to Jake and have him put it together. Yeah.

Wow. Again, I think it was great. But it's kind of a theme. I think you do the same thing with texting. You just send texts that just don't make any sense and expect everyone to understand exactly what you meant. That's true. No, that's true.

I love the video. I'm with Trent. I think it's phenomenal. I think everything about it is so genuine and pure. It's a journey. I mean, you're taking us on a journey. And you do have, you clearly have a, a weird desire for some of these like remaking short films, creating your own characters.

I think that there's, there's something in there for sure. Honestly, it makes me laugh the whole time. Like I was like, I'm literally, I was just, you know, Jimmy Vee, spend a moment, thought, laugh and move your emotions of tears every day. You know those three things. This makes me just laugh the whole time I was doing it. I was smirk, smiling, laughing. Just the thought of like, if anybody walked by, he sees some just idiot,

hop behind a bush, put on a jacket, fake this run. Yeah, it was a funny couple, four and a half minutes for me there. You had a great time. Like, you filming this was really good time. Like one of the funniest five minutes you've ever been a part of in your life. It was pretty good. Made myself smile. I love it.

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i need somebody from this program whether it's the top c-sweet level or somebody to just respond to me like i've got this check i feel like jonahill in in the 40-year-old virgin where i he just wants to try to buy those shoes i have these shoes i just want to buy them she's like no you don't get it you have to buy it on ebay she's like but i have them in my hands i just want to take these home she's like, no, I have to sell them online. He just doesn't understand. I have this check, really big check that Trent and I had raised a ton of money for. Foreplay ended up rounding up the number all the way to $10,000 for the first T program.

Great cost. We want to give this money the first T program. I can't get in touch of the first T program if my life depended on it. If someone put a gun to my head and they were like, you got to get in touch of the first T right now. Right now, I'd be dead. They won't answer me. I've sent Instagram DMs, emails. fucking Twitter DMs

they don't even read it no one wants this money I'm like hey where should I bring it to you guys have a headquarters that you want to allocate the money to do you should I bring it to a local one like I have one in my town do I just walk in and just say hey here's money I don't know like how do they operate do they spread the money around

do you do local ones you understand what I'm saying like I want to know what the best use of this money is $10,000 like let's go let's find out where to put this cash they just had a I saw like instead of reading my message they're at freaking Liberty National with like some like I don't know donor meeting or something it's like come on man I got some cash here I want to give it to you so I need I need someone to reach out to me it's I'm trying to do a good thing here and it's just they're making it freaking hard for me I've got this comically big check at my desk and I just want to hand it off to them that's number one I think that's fair so I totally fair I'm interested in what the others are as well I'll say I've been thinking this the entire time too because the first T seems to not acknowledge anything I mean wasn't there a plug during

the players championship about, you know, raising money or one of the tournaments last couple weeks about the money raised. And then we looked at the first T program, social accounts. They just don't, I don't know if they just aren't on social media or if they just don't care. I don't know if they don't like us. I'm not really sure what, but it is, it is quite bizarre that you guys. They don't like us. We're giving them this money.

I don't care if they like us or don't. I want to say this because people are going to say this to you in response to what you just said. Have you tried calling them? no I sent an email I don't know I thought that'd be no I know I know you're trying but I'm just saying people are going to say because you listed a bunch of things that you had done and they were all social media DMs maybe just hop on the old the old horn and say hey I got a bunch of money I want to give you but an official like official email to like their email should definitely be responded all right I'll call them I didn't I I want to get in touch in contact with like the head whoever's like that's like that's why I I want that to go through email or DM because like someone's going to fling it up the board. Like, hey, I just got this. Where should we send them?

As opposed to just like calling up the East Meadow one because then I could just be there. But yeah, there's probably a corporate number. You're right. I could probably call a corporate number. Number two would be what the fuck is going on with these? What's actually going on? And maybe this is like a WhatsApp doc, but what's actually going on with this supply chain issue in the world?

You know what I mean? Like what's actually happening? I got a couch that won't come. now for eight months. And I want to know what's actually happening from today. We ordered it in January. I want to know what's happening from today until August to that couch. And if someone can DM me, explain it to me, I'll read all the responses. I want to know like tomorrow where's that couch. The next day, where is that couch? And for the next four months, what happens to that couch from a day to day basis? It just sits there. No one goes and gets it. That's someone needs to be put in

jail. Well, I think it hasn't been, it hasn't been created yet. That would be my guess. So you don't think it's been created yet. No, I think that the materials needed to build your couch, even if it's one of the materials are backed up, backed up so much that they're in demand for all kinds of different things, not just couches and not just your couch. And that that has a trickle back effect, if you want to call it that, that is really causing. I do, I think it's very unlikely that your couch is perfectly ready made in someone's just like, like, yeah, I'm not going to pick it up for nine months. That's what it seems like, dude.

Because, bro, it was supposed to come on Monday. Like, we were gassed up. Like, we ordered January. We were like, all right, let's just make it to the end of March. Let's just fucking grind, not have a couch, like, not moving to the house. Let's, like, let's just fucking wait for this thing so that everything's ready. And then we got an email yesterday being like, we're so sorry to let you know it's not coming until August 28. And we're just like, unacceptable.

I'm screaming at the top. unacceptable. Like Michael Scott, just like he just declares bankruptcy. I'm just screaming, this is unacceptable. Someone has to listen to me. When did they notify you of the change?

Yesterday. And it was supposed to come this past Monday of this week. No, this coming Monday. And they notified you yesterday. So like, that's where Riggs is going to lose just a little validity. But maybe true.

Like, they're still waiting on something. They just got notified from a vendor being like, actually the fabric, that's not coming in. until July. So, like, it's almost impossible for a company because they're buying from other companies to be like, I can't tell you where these parts are because they're still, they're in no man's land.

They're just not here. And I think that, like, your couch company is doing the same thing you're doing. They're like, what do you mean the fabric's not coming until fuck of July? Like, and then they've got to tell Frankie Borelli and then Frankie's got to tell his fiance. And then she's like, what do you mean Frankie? The couch isn't coming. And everybody's like, that's literally the supply chain. That's what we're talking about.

I think that's, it sucks. It's fucking dogs. I'm with you. It's happening with everything. It's not just golf clubs. It's crazy. The chain, where did the chain get messed up? I don't know.

That fucking canal. Was it that goddamn ship in the canal? Like what happened? There's a lot going on in the world right now. So I think we could have. We could have a few. But the supply chain thing has been fucked for like. Right.

But it's, it's worse now. I would say the world's worse right now than where it was. It is. But like that didn't affect my couch. I don't think my couch. Like my couch has been affected. because of things that happened like a year ago.

You know what I mean? Like it had to have. It's got to be that back up. There's been a lot going on in the last couple calendar years. There's been a lot going on. I think it probably has something to do with that. It has to. If you work at Macy's furniture store,

the furniture department of Mesa, I want an answer. Just messing. It's always going to end with this. Just fucking call me up personally and be like, this is why you're couch, because I'm not getting any answers. Oh, the third one is that our soil isn't good enough.

I listened to a recent podcast that said that everything is fucking, all this fertilizer and stuff. Did you guys know a really interesting fact? Go get a bunch of manure. If you, no, no, no, it's not good. Dude, our top soils trash on this planet. We've ruined it. If you ate, if you ate an orange in 19, let's say 1920 or 1880, let's go, right? 1880, in 1800s.

If you ate an orange in 1880, you'd have to eat eight oranges now. to get the same nutrients out of that one orange in 1880. Just because of how they're produced now. So you don't know that. Because you just made up years. You started with 1980 and then you went all the way back to 1880. I'm trying to remember. I'm trying to remember in the podcast.

Nothing like, yeah, that's true. It's a 40 year difference. I think he just gave us, which is, I mean. The point is that because of, well, the point is that in the last however many years it's been. How many oranges was it worth in 1920? Was it like four, five and a half oranges? All right, guys.

The point is that because of how mass producing, we're making all of this agriculture and all of the, like, vegetables and fruits. And we're just mass producing these things, which we weren't doing in the 1920s. We definitely weren't doing the 1800s, which is why I switched it. The reason why is because they've, like, completely chemical, all of this stuff is a chemical base now. And it's, like, made so that we can just mass produce these vegetables and fruits. And it seems like it's organic. Even if it says organic, it's not actually organic. It's not like what it used to be

where like the earth was actually fully making an orange or a fucking piece of broccoli. You understand what I'm saying? How many apples I got to eat? How many apples I got to eat? Yeah, exactly good question. Apple's really. Bro, go listen.

It's this guy from, it's this guy from fucking India. I'm not giving you all the fucking answers because I'm not, I'm just letting you know that Sad guru on Joe Rogan, episode 1791. He talks about how this fucking planet is absolutely but fucked. And he doesn't use that terminology. But basically, like, it's going to keep getting so bad that we're, like, in 30, 40 years. Well, the nutrient levels are going to continue to decrease and we're just going to have nothing. Like, absolutely nothing. Unfortunately,

what this all comes down to, and it's both, both of, or two of your grievances come down to the supply chain thing and now that I got to eat 15 oranges is that there's just too many people. Like, We just, the whole thing, the whole thing. And when I say the whole thing, I mean the whole thing. It got too big. It's all too big. Elon Musk said we're on our, like, the down trajectory now, though. He says we need to make more people.

Frankie's complaining about oranges not being good. He's also asking for a couch to come from China, wherever the hell that thing's coming from. So now we've got to burn all this. You should make your own couch, Frankie. And then you'd be more self-sustaining, create a healthier planet. Then you'd have better. Grow your own oranges too. Exactly.

That's kind of what it comes. down to it comes down to you what you need to do instead of buying that house that you already bought you just go buy like a piece of land somewhere and just plant all your own food grow your own trees build your own furniture and that's the only way you're going to get things in a timely manner going forward it's saying how much energy does it take for you to get that couch let's talk about that how much energy does it take for you to stand up from a fucking chair what i want to say to you guys is that what i want to say to you guys is what i was saying to you guys is i think in this fucking podcast, he explains that even if you

fucking, even if you plant your own fucking orange in your backyard, it's still, it still doesn't give you what it used to. He's basically saying the soil is manipulated. The soil is wrong. You understand me? So what are we supposed to do?

It's just something we all got to think about. It's just that's, I thought it was an interesting team. I think there's a way you can, isn't there a way you can recover soil or, isn't there a, like a combination you can make that makes it nutrient rich. I could be wrong about it.

I think you're supposed to only like turn over your plants every so often or like only harvest certain crops in certain areas, but you shouldn't harvest like corn in the same area every time you should do like corn, then oranges, then apples. So it pulls different nutrients and things like this. But Frankie, going back to your point, all right, we got bad soil. How do we fix that soil? How do we get better soil? I don't know.

Probably don't order a couch from China. A lot of pollution from that ship coming all the way across the globe. to give you a couch so your best can be comfortable. And then you got to have that Ottoman. Iowa. Right. Right. I'm just going to stand and watch the Islanders.

What are you nuts? Right. That's what it comes down to. If it comes down and nobody cares, everybody's like, I'm just going to be comfortable in this life. And you know what? My kids are going to have to deal with this is honestly kind of where it falls, as sad as that is.

So he actually makes that point because Joe Rogan's like, well, how did we get to this point? He's agreed. And he's like, well, no, I think everyone. I think everyone for all of their life, he actually was making a point on behalf of humans saying, we just try and live as best of life as we can. And even the people that make a ton and ton of money,

billions of dollars, because Rogan's like, what about the people that make billions and want to make $100 billion? And they'll do anything they can to, like, lie to the public and do it. He's like, everyone's just trying to advance their life in the best way that they can. And the earth has come second to that. Like, we're not, we're just trying to live as best as we can.

And I think every generation of this species, of our species has tried to do that in some sense. It's just we've gotten a lot smarter and we've gotten a lot more technical and we've been able to honestly ruin the earth at a quicker rate at this point. But fuck, man, it was a really interesting listen. I just like never would have thought of that.

I never would have thought of something coming out of the ground. Like when I drink my orange juice, it's like organic orange juice. He's like, that's just not, if you would bite into an orange 150 years ago, it would just be completely different for your body. Eight times better.

Eight times better. Everything just comes down to money. Because, like, you go and you see those oranges, you're going to buy the ones that are cheapest. You're not going to buy that. Like, if an orange is $22 because there's only so many oranges that you can make to have great soil, et cetera, you're going to go in there and buy the oranges that are like $3 that have all the pesticides that are just as fat as the other oranges look the same thing, are labeled the same thing. You're like, fuck it. You know what you have to buy 90 of them now instead of you know.

Exactly. But like, that's right. It just, you know, and around we go. And then the only thing people do is like, I'm just going to get as much money as possible. Because that's the safest way in my brain that I can think, if this planet goes to shit, at least I'll have enough money, that I'll be okay. And then we watched that movie. What was that damn movie that just came out?

There was pretty much laughing about it. Don't look up. Don't look up. That's pretty much like what we're talking about. And then they take a space shuttle to let the next planet over. And then they die instantly. It's, uh, wooee, round we go. That was a pretty good.

That was a pretty good summation, actually, I thought. All right. You just gave. Let's move into Lurch. Thank you. Let's move on. Let's move on to From the Gallery. From the Gallery, we got a handful of really good ones that I dug up from folks.

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I will read it. If it's good, we will talk about it on a show in the future. Do you think Tiger has hit more balls with his putter than you guys have hit with every single club in your bag in a lifetime? Yep. Definitely. 100%. Absolutely. I think it's not even close.

I mean, remember when Trevor Emelman told us, remember when Emelman told us that he would just hit his putter for three days in a row? He would just putt for three days like that. That right there, my mind. be more than we've ever hit in our lives of every other. Right. And he's been playing, I mean, you've been playing since he was two. And he's been putting since he was two. And he's 45 now.

We're talking decades upon decades. Like, it's not like there was, there was never a break in Tiger Woods's life where he wasn't putting. So that's 40 years plus straight of putting. That's just so much putting. Like he puts way more than he hits golf balls. He also dented that putter. way to mark in it.

So it's like he just, that's more than I was trying to think. We haven't even, I don't even know that we've putt in our lifetime more than he's hit a driver. Right. Which is the least. Yeah, like whatever he's done least,

I bet we haven't done that most. Right. Well, it's probably like a six iron or something like that. You know what I mean? Because some rounds you just don't even hit like an iron. Do you think you've put more balls and he's hit your eyes? Drives, I think, was probably second most.

Or maybe like third. after a wedge or something like that. But I would say, like, a random iron would be his least hit club because, like, sometimes he just never. Right, exactly. So I still think he's hit way more. I think all, like, practice just. Totally.

Practice is where he logs all this, right? I think he probably hits putter the most. And then he probably hits wedge or dry. I bet his like 60 degree just like hitting it around the greens and then like his driver. Right? definitely. Yeah, I think. Also, he was hitting all like nine shots

that would always like amaze people in terms of hitting the different windows with every sort of club. So if you could do that, Lurchin your warm up session. I can't make the ball go right. It's like I can snap it left for the best of them. But I can't.

That thing's not going to go to the right side of the golf course. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's hit a billion more. Like, what is it? Four or five times more, 10 times? What do you like? I'd love to know how many hours we speak. spent practicing.

Like, I would love to know if I saw, like, if every time I actually practiced the game of golf, my whole life, if there was a clock that was just constantly counting up, what it would go to. And I'm trying to think, like, I don't know that I would surpass, like, a day. Like, you think I've logged more than 24 hours worth of, like, pure practice? I know. I haven't. No way.

In my life. Are you talking about? Probably you had more than a day, but, because that's. Like take a range session that you just go do. How long does that last like an hour? Right. Or like prior to going out for a round. Yeah.

Like do you count that as practice? Then I've been over a day for sure. But if you're talking about like going to a range to practice and then going home, two hours, three and a half. You know? I don't do it. I don't do it. And those guys do it every day for like eight hours a day. It's a 10,000 hour thing where like you can't say that you've like.

like really mastered something until you practice something for 10,000 hours. Like, I was just trying to think of that. And like if I, let's say I'm, let's say I'm legitimately at half a month of just practice my whole life. I've logged however many hours that is. I've just hitting golf balls, not on a golf course. Whatever that math is. 360 hours.

300 hours. 400 hours. That seems about right of like my whole life since I was born. I put about 400 hours in these guys with 10,000 minimum. maybe with each club. Like, it's just, it's psychotic how they're so fucking, they're so dedicated. And that's like, that goes back to what I had that conversation with Brock with, uh,

Brock about like becoming a professional athlete, like what separates them. It's like finding that zone where it's just, you're just practicing because you know you've got that extra edge on people and like, you're just doubling down on it essentially. You're just fucking, you know you're right there. Imagine having that feeling of being like,

if I just put a little more work into this, I'm, I'm there. Also, I win. If you just, if you bake down a round of golf in terms of, okay, you played for four hours, you took only 90 shots. Each one of those shots, what takes you five seconds, you're only actually like practicing golf for, what's that, 450 seconds, which is seven or eight minutes. It's like you're literally, yeah, seven and a half minutes. So it's like you're literally not even playing golf.

Like, you're any mean in terms of your practice points? Like, yeah, I was out. out there for four hours. I took 90 swings. Each swing took me five. I played seven minutes of golf today. Right, because if you play 60 minutes in a hockey game, at least when you're on defense, you're not touching the puck.

You're still playing the game. You're still blocking someone. You're still taking up a passing zone. You're doing the game. Even if you're on the bench, you're like a part of a line change. So at all moments, you're in the game. In golf, half the time you're sitting in the cart or you're walking up and watching someone else do something that has no effect on your game.

You might be only playing the game of golf for 10 minutes. Right. Right. When you go golfing, when you go golfing, the thing you do the least is golf. But I guess like then to go back to our Dr. Jim Afromo and like the mental aspect would be like the best players are playing the entire time. Like they're locked in mentally the entire time. So it's like. You're actually physically swinging for like, like you're participating in the actual physical activity. for less than 10 minutes.

But you could argue that about like baseball. Like baseball, you're probably physically playing baseball for... How long? If I'm just in right field, if I'm in right field, I'm still in the game. Something at any moment can't. But I would say,

but you can't because like you're, by this theory, you would only really count it during the pitch and then whatever happens after the pitch. Like in between pitches is no different than in between golf shots. Okay. It's still significantly more though. I would still think that's more.

Like, that's more can every time there's a pitch, there's a two or three second, I'm in the game, every pitch, because you've got to get on your toes, be ready for a quick hit. But when you're on offense, but when you're on offense, you're just like, most of the time, you're doing nothing. You can totally argue you're just sitting there, and I would say that's definitely true. I would probably make it down to more, I guess, no,

if you're a pitcher, then you're really kind of like a golfer, because every game that you're not part of, you're just literally sitting there, like when they're making fun of the Red Sox having, like, Popeye's chicken sandwiches and hanging out. And then you pitch, and so you make, I don't know, 100 throws. Each throw takes you three seconds. Out of a whole game, you're talking about 300 seconds of actually performing.

We got Johnny Hecker on this show. Think about in football games. How many minutes is he actually playing football in the given game for like 30 seconds? Like what is he? Right. Yeah, because you'd have to say as soon as he punted, he's part of the game. Because if you were talking about just like one swift kick, they kick like four or five times he's literally it's like four and a half to seven seconds of

action like if you count the whole play you know if each play is 10 minute i mean how many times is he punt in the game four or something so he he's like he gets paid a lot even yeah so okay so he's like he's making 18.8 million dollars over like five years and he plays for 30 seconds a game right pretty awesome fucking good man it's awesome it's so great and again we get into it with him about how much more goes into it, obviously. But like when you think about it that way, it's amazing. I mean, that's like when they boil down, you know, how many, like how many a ride? Like, how much money was he making per at that?

Yeah, there's really no, that's not a real fair way to do it. But like, well, we're just talking about people in the game because I've seen that too with like DJ. He, whatever, he won, you know, I don't know, X, Y, Z tournament. And I saw that they posted like every swing that DJ made, he made like $58,000 this week. And you could do that with Cam Smith. Like his total shots are around 268 or whatever the case may be. Divide 3.6 million by that number and you're going to get to a preposterous, preposterous shot or dollar value.

But like, yeah. Which is really a dumb way to do it because like it's in reality that's, it's like the Picasso story of when, you know, he's doodling on a fucking napkin in a diner. And then he goes to just throw it away. And the lady comes up is like, oh my God, I would like. love to have that. But she's going to throw it away. And he's like, yeah, it would cost you $50,000.

And she's like, what do you mean? He's going to cost you 50 grand. It took you five seconds to do it. And he goes, no, it took me a lifetime. So it's the same like, sort of like, no, that's not really, they're not getting paid X amount per shot. Because each shot they hit in tournament play is probably a thousand shots that they hit on the range. So it's like, it's a hard way to look at it. But yeah, when you play a round of golf, you legit are maybe active for like five minutes

the whole time. It's great. Jesus. Pathetic to think of it. Yeah, it's great. that. Kevin. Kevin says, what's up, boys? Got a player sponsor question after watching the championship this weekend. I'd love to know if you guys have any insight into how and why the top, the non-top tier guys get these insanely random B2B business to business sponsor logos on their gear. Do these cloud AI freight forwarding CRM companies get any value out of the actual airtime? Feels like literally any consumer brand would be a much better bet. I think we've all thought about this before. I mean, you see somebody out there with some random, you know, like consulting or or cloud fucking service company that works like on somebody.

I would guess a lot of it goes to hospitality and the fact that like there's probably people in their, you know, executive team that like love golf and think it'd be really cool to have a Zander Schaftley or somebody else. And yeah, they think they could get a little bit of a of some advertising out of it. I mean, I would say advertising in general seems pretty stupid to me, right? I mean, I think about that. I watch a hockey game. There's just like McDonald's is on the fucking boards and all this. And you're just like, do they really get anything out of just having the golden arches on the fucking boards in a hockey game? I've thought about that as well.

But there's it has to work, right? Like there's people who are very, very smart in this world who are in advertising, who make a lot of money doing advertising, who do all that stuff. And they wouldn't like the world would even out if it didn't work. But it works because for whatever reason, if you put a McDonald's billboard in front of enough people, enough times, enough people are going to say, man, I want McDonald's. And then it's going to work and they're going to go spend money at McDonald's. Like McDonald's knows that. All the companies that advertise know that to a certain degree the advertising has to work.

Otherwise, they would cut it out of their budget because I would argue for the most part, a lot of companies, advertising is like their biggest budget. So it has to work. If it didn't work, they wouldn't spend all that money. But I know what you mean. It seems strange. When you're driving down the street, you see a billboard or watching a hockey game. You're like, I'm not one of those guys who's now craving McDonald's because I'm watching this hockey game. But there are people out there who are either consciously or subconsciously.

I think it's subconscious. Also, like, listening to a podcast and like hearing what they have to say. Like this podcast. Our average. But, yeah. Yeah, that's what I would say. It has to work. It obviously works.

It works. I would hope it works. I do think it's subconscious, though. I think for sure, like, dude, the other day, there was some, like, raccoon or squirrel that got, like, petrified, either shocked or frozen. And it was, like, a viral video of this fucking squirrel on top of some dude's car, just completely dead.

But it was holding a McDonald's rapper and burger as it was dead. I don't know if you guys saw this. And the sick fuck that I am, like, as I'm watching, that video, I'm like scrolling. Oh, what the fuck's this about? I saw the yellow wrapper and I instantly wanted McDonald's and I ordered it. Yeah. Yeah. So I saw some dead squirrel holding a McDonald's rapper. And then no less than 25 minutes later, I was eating a burger. So talk about that. Like that's just the coloring. It all goes into play. Like, you just know exactly what the rapper is. And it's fucking amazing how deep it actually is. Uh, it's scary. I would.

Yeah, I'm with you. I would argue most of it is subconscious. Like I was just saying that like, yeah, there's been times where I'll see a billboard and I'll think like, oh, that didn't make me want whatever product that was. But then there's countless times where I was just watching TV and a commercial would go by for a fast food join or whatever. And then half hour later I order that food and I don't even remember the commercial. That stuff I bet happens all the time. You hear the Taco Bell ding?

You're like, oh, fuck. Here I go. Pavlovian. I think that like what is that even called though just like noise marketing like you talk about McDonald's on the wall of a hockey game you know what I mean it's like all of our thoughts are so fleeting and from one thought to the next it's like all right I just saw a McDonald's sign like 20,000 times today so I'm just going to order McDonald's there's got to be some sort of it's not even that to me it's just like it becomes a thing that you just know like it's just

brand awareness right totally like New Amsterdam vodka I thought did a fantastic job with that and I was like thinking when they when they became the official sponsor of the NHL and barstool, especially vodka barstool, when an ambassador vodka did that like a couple years ago, I remember thinking like, man, they must spend so much money to just be like the official vodka. But then like now two years later, they are just a vodka company that I know now. So if someone, a bartender or a store has New Amsterdam, I'm like, oh yeah, I know that one, as opposed to like any other one that I've known for years, any of their competitors have known for years where I would usually just grab them at the bar.

or at a liquor store. Now New Hampshire Vodka is in my rotation of things that I will either order or buy at a store. And it's amazing how that works. It's a price to pay to just get into your brain. Right. And now it's in my brain forever. So how many times do you have to see it, understand it to like order? You know what I mean?

There is some sort of probably marketing calculation out there that it's like. Definitely. McDonald's. We have 50,000 signs in New York City. if we go to 60,000 signs, do we see an increase in purchase? Because that means we're doing that much more reminder marketing to these people. I'm just like throwing thoughts in their head of you just like walking down the street with your girlfriend and being like, oh, I, you know, not even thinking about it. But subconsciously, you see McDonald's 50,000 times, 60,000 times.

Do you buy it once more because you've seen it a little bit? You know what I mean? It's like that. Someone that gets paid a lot of money to try and do that math. And if it doesn't work, they probably get fired. But like also just the more you hear about something, the more you do something. I never knew Anna Mules existed ever in my entire life, and now I play it when I'm golfing.

Because Riggs talked about this company that I never heard of. So it's like, Adam Mules looked at their brand and was like, how do we get more people to see our awesome app? And then they came to Foreplay. We tell people about their awesome app. And now everyone uses their app. Like I literally was like a customer of listening to the ad and doing it.

Same thing with fucking Oars and Alps. I mean, come on. That was insane. And would now with bars. We never knew that any of this stuff would ever exist until bang. Someone tells you about it. And now it's something that's in your brain. You have to be told about it.

And that costs money. And that costs like that. It's just the way the world works. It's fucking interesting. It would be crazy if I didn't do an ad read right now. So we're going to talk about Taylor Made, which Taylor made. If they're a better example, what we're talking about right now. That sells itself.

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Go over to TaylorMadeGolf.com slash bars stool. Check out. Taylor made and Barstool golf gear. We get all kinds of good stuff on there. We're going to be doing a lot more customization type stuff this year too. So people keep your eyes and ears, you know, on the alert acute, one might say for that, for those drops and everything that's going on with that. But Taylor Made does it right.

The new stealth driver is taking the entire golf road by storm. There are so many guys and gals using it who aren't even contracted by Taylor Made. Scotty Schaefford just joined Taylor Made. He was using their stuff, winning a couple of golf tournaments, huge golf tournaments, playing some of the best golf in his last golf. life he had a chance to get to number one in the world, I believe this last week. If you would have won, he's Taylorman athlete now officially. So join it.

Be a part of it. Taylormade golf. They're the best. Taylormedgolf.com slash barstool. If you're using some other equipment, then you're just signing yourself up for worse scores. It seems nuts to me. So a big thanks to Taylor made. Getting a couple announcements live.

So I just got an email from Live Golf International, C, series set to launch. This is, of course, the Super Golf League, the Saudi Back League, golf inter-invitational series set to launch in June 2020 with new formats, teams, and more than $250 million in prize purses. This was like, there was like an announcement yesterday that this was coming. Greg Norman sent apparently a letter to a few different players. The Fire Pit Collective guys over there, Matchanella and crew, they released apparently

an email that had gotten from them. So I'm going to kind of go through in real time what this email says. And then I have to address, you know, this, look, this show we like to make people laugh and have a good time. But there's just a horrible story coming out of the Southwest University of Southwest golf teams. Both the men's and women's teams were involved in a horrible crash. I'd see you. The last thing that I saw was apparently nine people were killed, including the coach. Just like an awful story.

And clearly the whole golf world is just like breaking ads. as we're talking about this. And like I said, I understand people come here to laugh and we like to make jokes, but there's a real life out there. People have families and friends that they love. So we're going to tweet out and put on Instagram any links that we could find once things start to materialize in how you can help the families and friends and try to raise money, obviously, to make this time a little easier for those families.

And this is all kind of happening in real time. So just horrible, horrible news. I hope that obviously anyone who's still fighting for their lives, thoughts and prayers to them and to the families. And like I said, follow our accounts next couple of days. Hopefully we can get some traction on raising money and helping out those families. But just a horrible story out of there. We've gotten a lot closer into college golf last couple of years with the LTP.

So just awful and hug your loved ones. And please keep a lookout for some links. We'll tweet out anything that we can find to try to help all those families. All right. Again, this is our program. People understand that. You know, we're not here for, we're just, that's just not necessarily what we do. So we're going to try to help as much as you can.

We're going to move on, try to keep doing the show. Okay. So we've got this latest from, from Greg Norman, this letter, the things that are going on. They're trying to launch this league. That's what they're doing. And it looks like they're going to have tournaments. It says the live golf invitational 2022 schedule will visit the following dates and locations. June 9th through 11th, Conturion Golf Club in London, July,

1 through 3, Pumpkin Ridge Golf Club in Portland, July 29 through 31, Trump National Golf Club, Bedminster, September 2nd through the 4th, the International in Boston. I think that's the one with like the 800-yard par 5 or like the longest par 5 in the world. September 16th, 18th, Rich Farm, Chicago, October, they got Stonehill, Bangkok, later in October, they got Royal Greens Golf Club in Jedda. And then October 28 through the 30th, if there's a 8th,000. team championship. It says Live Golf Vest is providing more than $400 million in seed money to launch the series,

which would be building, be a building blocks of next generation golf experience. I do not see anything in here just scrolling through about any players, any specific players. It says Team Golf has proven its ability to provide many of the game's most exciting moments. It is at the heart of the new structure in year one. There will be a max of 48 players on 12, four-man teams and a truly global field with golfers invited from all tours around the world. So look, last week we basically declared this thing dead. Jamonahan took a victory lap.

It sounds like they're not going down without a fight, and they have just announced that they're going to have events. I don't know who the fuck's going to play in these events, but it's announced that they're going to have events. That's the big question. Who's playing in these? Like, I thought we would have, and we still might, one or two notable PJ tour players that would go,

just because the money was too big and they're not. in the position of the guys that we've talked about, the Rories, the Speeats, the JTs, all those guys. But I thought there would be a couple who might do it. And then I was going to be very curious to see who those were. But we still haven't heard any of those names or any names whatsoever. We now just have a full schedule of events for this golf league. But we don't know who the golfers are. And that's got to be a weird spot for the people who are running the league.

And they got to be scrambling. Because who's going to play? Yeah, I mean, so they kind of changed the way that their wording is now, like, their promise to these players is now that they'll be able to stay in the tours that they already are in. So this is going to be a complimentary tour with the schedule they already have. So it's just extra, extra events now, which I didn't really see to begin with, right? Like when they were talking about guys like DJ and fucking Brooks and all these guys and, and Bryce and, and, and, um, and Bryce and. going over. It's like, well, they're never going to play on the tour again. Now Greg Norman has kind of changed it and shifted it to like, you can play on the tour. These are just added events to your

already busy schedules. But is that that that was originally, right, that was originally, that's kind of what Greg Norman stance has been the entire time. It was him offering or saying basically that J. Modhan had the PGA tour should be sued if they say that anyone who plays on the Saudi tour will be banned from the PGA tour because essentially Norman and company knew all along that like if anyone's if anyone's going to agree to play at our tour, they're still going to want to play in the PGA tour as well. This is just going to be like a supplementary, awesome other thing, and people can pick and choose if they're playing a PGA tour this week

or Saudi tour this week or European tour this week or whatever. So I think that's sort of always been his vision, but you're right. And that, like, I think he knew players were going to get banned. They were not going to be allowed to just do both all the time. And if it could be a complimentary thing, I think his point is like, why wouldn't players just entertain this? It's bonus.

It's on top. You know, it's in the fall. In the fall series, the PJ tour players bitch about a lot anyways that they need a break or they need bigger events or otherwise they don't see that it's worth it and yada, yada, yada. So now if they can do this, I mean, it says these numbers that they're throwing around in terms of the purses. It says the total prize purse for the eight events will reach an unprecedented $255 million. The first, Dr. Reval, first seven regular season events will carry a total purse of 25 million comprised of 20 million in individual prizes.

All players in the field earn a share and 5 million for the top three teams. Following the first seven events, an individual champion will be crowned offering a total purse of $30 million for the top three individuals of the season. The season ending eighth event will be a team championship that will provide $50 million in total prize funds. It's a lot of money. They're just throwing a lot of money around, it sounds like. Just sounds like a ton of money.

I don't, yeah. I still don't think it's going to work. Yeah. Whether we just didn't talk about it or it's just everyone's been glancing over it, we definitely never touched on the fact that like he actively wanted to have this be a tour where you could do both. Like we were always just saying, and I know that like Monahan was saying like they're going to be banned if they're playing any other tour, which is insane. But like you could tell that in this statement to the play. that Norman is definitely like doubling down on like I mean at one point he literally says like you all should know this our schedule has always been to design has been designed indifference to the majors and the heritage championships live golf has been consistent in its desire to complement the annual tour schedules and wider global golf ecosystems like that's just that's that's that's like he's painting a picture now that's completely different than me as just the average viewer on Twitter and like trying to see what's going on in this in this scenario like I've never really seen that type of

of talk, right? Where it's like, he's literally a saying, like word for word telling the players that he thinks that there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to, this is in addition to it, not in place of your current tour schedule. He's actually like putting it out there word for word of like,

why can't you do this as opposed to before? It was like, come over here. We're going to give you less money. Yeah, you're going to lose all of the heritage stuff, all of the history, all the historical events. You're going to lose your reputation, but we're going to give you so much money. That was always our debate on this podcast.

This seems a lot more. was a reaction that was a reaction to like what monahan had allegedly said which is that people would be banned so like in jamp in monahan's uh interviews last week they kept pressing him on like will players be banned that play so it's like norman never wanted that he i think everyone the public conversation was just kind of reacting to like this belief that the tour was going to ban them whereas norman's stance has been like how can you stop players from just playing wherever they want to play if they want to play on pGA tour half the year and then they want to play in your event you half the year like how can you just not let people play wherever they want to play has kind of been his stance the whole time right because they could play in the european tour whenever they want to right right right so it's like why would you not or they can go play in the asian tour they can go play in the you know they could kind of play really wherever they want now there is like bylines in their you know membership agreement with the pga tour which provides all kinds of stuff for them that the tour i believe has to like sign off on certain places that they play.

But again, I think Norman's point has kind of been like, why the fuck can't people that play golf just play golf wherever they want to play golf this weekend? Like, you know. Yeah, he's being very straightforward too. He goes, you should know that we are launching and we will continue to drive this forward.

We will not stop. I mean, they're getting a little dramatic. That's like what a villain says. Yeah, it's very villainous. That's, yeah, that was. We're talking about a golf tournament here. At the end of the day, it's what always comes down to

always just like what are we actually talking about here we're talking about golf tournaments I mean that sounds like a president talking about like engaging in war he's like we will continue to move forward we will not stop what are you talking about Greg Norman man um my computer's about to die so I'm going to try to plug this puppy in uh first I'll give you guys another um from the gallery real quick this guy says Ryan says uh once they retire who will have a better career. Jordan Spieth or John Rom? Spee's got three majors and he's got what, like 13 wins or something? Yeah.

Who will have a better career when they retire? Jordan Spieth. Wow. It's just hard to win majors. It's just so hard to win majors. Yeah, but John Rom has, he can win them. I know, but you just. Like, we're also, like, let me ask you this.

And speed could also win more. It's not like speed. That's what I was just going to ask you. Do you think, Speeth wins more because it is hard to win majors. I think it's Jordan Speeith even though I think John Rom's by far the best player on tour. I agree. Looking at their age, they're basically the same age. So it's crazy to say that Speath can't just continue to play well and turn it on and just win also. It's not like he's, it's not like Spieth that his

career has passed him by and he's 38 years old and he's like, all right, like Rom has to kind pass him and catch him. They're 28 and 27. Speath just has like a leg up on him. it is crazy how young speed is you think speed's been around forever which because he has but like i was just thinking that too i was like that speed's got like five years on i mean they're basically they're the same age that stunned me i'll be honest that i thought rom was much younger than speed i mean you're five years older than jordan speed all right well no i know but i thought i thought i didn't know I didn't realize Rom was, Rom's 27. Yeah.

Yeah, I thought he was a little bit younger than that. I'm going to say, I'm going to go with the majors in the hole. I mean, you got three in the pocket already. I think that's just hard to, I don't know that I'm going to be right, clearly, but I think you just got to take, which, and Speed's perfect proof of that. Like, speeds fell off a cliff for a couple years. That could happen to anybody. It could happen to John Rom.

That could happen to literally anybody. So somebody who's got three majors and what's Speed have? 13 wins or something. I'm not sure about that while you look that up, but the thing that, like, drive me to Rahm is he said he's not going to, I think he said recently he's not going to stop playing until he has more majors than Tiger or something. Somebody said that for, I think, yeah, I think somebody said that about him,

and I think he had said that to that person. Okay, but either way, like that floating quote out there, I'm like, all right, I respect that. Even though I'm sure it's within like speed too in terms of that drive to be the best, but that does float and give them a few bonus points. Oh yeah. You got to start winning some. You guys are knocking some off now.

Right, because that was going to be my next question. Do you guys think speed has to add to his total to outrun Ron? Oh, yeah. Okay. I can see Ron finishing and it's crazy to say it because he hasn't done it yet. But I can see him finishing with like six. That's like, that's a dominating career. He's a dominating golfer.

Dominating golfer. But I also think Speed is going to get. hot man speed this fight i i do he's like sort of proved me wrong or he's he's done what i needed him to do to say that he's just back to playing jordan speed golf and he's just like hung around and been in contention and he's just back to like we've leveled out we were like way high way low and like i was saying he can't be this cocky he was looking at people in the crowd when he was making puts his first tournament back it's like i was like you got to fucking wait all right we've leveled out now he hasn't won but like we've leveled it.

Right. Like he's got he's got so many years to just, it sounds crazy when you're talking about majors, but just like like clip two more. Have two more and you got five and that's a motherfucker of a number to try to get to. And that also takes away from wrong. So like if he wins another two,

it's just. Would it surprise you if Jordan Speed won a major? No. Right. I think Jordan, do that for the next 10 years. All right, boys, I apologize. I got to drop.

I'm on the speed side. See you fellas. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Goodbye, Lurch. Goodbye, Lurch. He's always so awkward when he drops. So awkward.

He always apologizes. I'm taking Ramin this, just because, I don't, he just, that quote that Lurch was talking about, and I'm probably a prisoner of the moment. I just, Ram is so good and has clearly been the best player in the world for a long time now,

that he's just going to start winning a bunch of them. And I really do think that's going to happen. And I have, I love Spieth. We all do, but I have less confidence in him to rattle off a couple more than I do in John Rob. There's just way too many good golfers, I think, to have someone say that they're going to break Tiger's record, especially to John Rom. I can't envision John Rom dominating the majors as much as Tiger did, obviously, because Tiger's the best of all time. But you're basically then saying he's beating Morikawa and Justin Thomas and George. Spieth and Rory Macquarie. There's so many guys at any given moment that I think could win.

John Rom is the best golfer out of the group right now, but I just can't see someone rattling off that many because any given major, there are so many people that could genuinely just dominate that fucking field. So many people. How many majors did Tiger have right now at the same age that Rom is right now? How old Rom? 27. God, Tiger probably had eight or something. Right. You're off the pace.

Everybody's off the pace, but you're the one who said, who may have said that, the guy said that quote. So it's like, if you're going to say that, people are going to start matching up dates and you're just behind the pace like everybody else. Tiger like disappeared for 10 years. So if Rahm just stays. Yeah, but well, yeah. We don't talk about that. I don't know. I'm just say he fell off the pace, but in the 30s he's going to get that pace back if he plays a little golf.

But you got to collect a bunch of 20s. Yeah, you do. You're going to want to have a few in your 20s. A few in your 20s. He doesn't have to collect a bunch. because Tiger didn't get like any in his 30s. I saw, so Spieth has 12 wins in three majors. He's 28, I believe.

And Rahm has six wins in one major, and he is 27. But Rob's number one right player in the world. Speath is obviously, who knows with Spieth? I mean, he's definitely made a bit of a comeback in the last year and a half. He won a tournament last year. But I don't think he's as much of a lock right now as Rob to keep winning going forward. I'm going to go Speath. I just think that that, you know,

those tournaments that are in the hole, those that you got locked up, put them in your pocket. I think those are, that gives them such a huge head start. It feels like a race to five. Oh, Valspar. We have Valspar this weekend. Always love the Valspar, cool tournament. They got the, in the Copperhead course. We're actually playing the Barstool Classic at the Copperhead course in like a week, week and two weeks.

So we'll be there shortly after this tournament. So I'm obviously excited to see it. Yeah, it's a preview. It's kind of a preview for the Barstow Classic Florida. stop and it always delivers in terms of being a very difficult pretty damn difficult course i feel like uh paul casey wins their all time tiger woods when he made his comeback in 2018 remember he almost won there and we were all like holy shit the guy just started basically just got off the bed from his back surgery and he almost won a golf tournament against paul case he made that huge put on the

17th hole um so the vallspar championship this week and then uh and then we go match play and then we pretty much are getting hyped up for those following two weeks for Augusta National. So it's getting pretty damn close. We've got Johnny Hecker, Super Bowl champ coming up next. You might have anything else before we throw it to the first punter we've ever had on the show. I don't think so. I don't think I have anything. Frank, you got any more grievances?

Well. Just Macy's furniture store. I need a phone call. Fucking first tea. I need a phone call. Are we like, are we teasing people about where we're going to be for, master's week or is that too early? No, we teased it because Big Cat got it out of me yesterday

I was in the office. We're doing, we're being Chicago. We're doing Thursday, Friday. We're going to be the Chicago office with the boys up there. Love that crew. They're hilarious. Love Doggwock. Hopefully we can get on Dogwalk.

Maybe we'll do a draft. I know last year I did a golf related draft with those guys. And then Saturday, Sunday, we're going to be doing live streams and a hangout at the. River North Barstool Bar, which I've never been to before. Have you guys been to the bar yet? No. Never.

It's going to be an absolute scene. We've got a merch pop-up shop. We're in the basement. They're going to be able to get all of our new merch. We're going to be doing contests to get free merch. We're going to be watching it. We're going to be doing group bets on the barstle at where like everyone's going to be on something. I can't wait to be like on the stage with a microphone being like we're going to hit this fairway on the 12th hole.

On the 11th hole and everyone's going to go fucking crazy when it hits. I'm very excited about that. It's going to be a great. experience. There should be lines at the door because that bar is amazing. It's already lines at the door every weekend. So it's going to be hell of a time. It'll be a nice, crowd. So I'm really looking forward to that and seeing all the Chicago guys. And it's just Masters Week. So Masters Week going out, hanging with the Chicago guys, being in the office, being at that bar. I heard the bar. It's fucking awesome using the Barstool Sportsbook app.

Those have been some of our most fun days we've had in the last couple years. Those two masters that we've gone to and doing the live bets. Like Frankie says, the fairways, the fucking greens of regulation. We had the Lowry tracker with Dave a couple of years ago and all that fucking chaos. So I'm sure we'll get into that. So yeah, a little teaser. Chicago will be there Thursday, Friday, and the office. And then Saturday, Sunday will be at the bar master's week.

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Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. So what's up? Welcome to the show. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Guys.

Sorry for the run around there. That was a bit of our. That's how all of our intros are. I mean, we got a champ. We got a Super Bowl champ on the show right now. How's life been the last few months? Well, that's good. Yeah, it was definitely a whirlwind that first week, kind of a blur, you know, as they say.

But, yeah, things have calmed down back in Seattle now for the off season. Played some great winter rules golf up here, enjoying it. Life is good, though. Dude, Seattle Pacific Northwest Golf is awesome. Frankie and I went up there a couple years ago and did a trip. It's just a completely different look in that part of the country. It's a great spot. You know, I love it.

I mean, all the courses have great features. And really, you can play any style of golf you want. The courses out here are so varied. The good thing is grass grows really well up here because it's so wet. So it's nice. Yeah, the trees to me were the things that took my breath away. I couldn't believe when you step up to a T-box and just like the vast amount of trees and how high they are and thin they are, something I never really see, obviously, in the Northeast.

Yeah, except for when you get a nice tree-lined fairway, then you're like really mad that you're seeing all these trees. Yeah, exactly. There were some really pronounced tree-line fairways up there. Are you guys Seattle area? Are you guys, like, huge Freddie couples fans? friends? Big Freddy couples fans. Yeah, I mean, you have to be. So I'm actually, yeah, going to be at the Masters a couple weeks. So I got to go go around our guy. You've been before? I have it first time. So my wife, it's a funny story. My wife got me tickets for my 30th birthday.

And then COVID hit. And then last year they were selected on who they gave tickets to. So this year I'm finally getting to cash in on my three years of having tickets. Wow. It is, I mean, we're all kind of wearing master's stuff, you know, colors right now. We're clearly getting in the mood. But it is the coolest event I think all three of us have ever been to from a sporting standpoint. It's just they do everything so perfectly. You feel like it's a mix of like Disneyland and the 1950s and everything should almost be black and white, but it's this beautiful, perfect green.

It's, you're going to have yourself a great time. Man, yeah, you can you can tell my smile is just pasted on my face. I'm so excited. There's just so much, yeah, you build it up to be this amazing thing. And everything I've heard from people is it's even better than that. So it's cool. Slow it up on egg sandwiches and pimento cheese sandwiches. Like I think I had, poof, I think I had five egg salad sandwiches and two pimento

cheese sandwiches. And they were like, it was 10 bucks. Like, the whole thing was like $10. Those things are still showing, I think, to be honest with. Boking season, yeah. What days are you? you're going? What days are you going? We have tickets for

our Saturday, Sunday. Wow. She's just going to have a full weekend at Augusta. I would say I'm jealous because we can't, I mean, we got to go three or four years ago for the first time and it was incredibly cool, but we can't really go because you can't have a cell phone.

Our whole job is the cell phone. So everybody's asking a lot. You know, if that what you guys do, you're going to the Masters and with what we do, I don't know that we'll ever really go again. I think just to go on a Saturday and a Sunday with no commitments, no cell phone, nobody to have to talk to and you can just have some beers and some pimento cheese and enjoy the golf. I don't think you can have a better sporting experience of that.

Yeah, I'm very excited. I've only been to two other professional golf events. One was the waste management open the same year when the Super Bowl was there. It was kind of like a crazy sports weekend. That was pretty amazing. And then went to the, was it the U.S. Open one down at Chambers Bay a few years ago. So it's been, yeah, I love, I love. There's nothing like watching. golf events live and just getting to follow around your favorite golfers because I mean as impressive as their shots look on TV you're watching a person you're just blown away with consistency and just ball striking it's it is so sweet yeah the driving range is one of the coolest spots to go and watch them at actually just consistently every 30 seconds hit one

exactly where they're aiming with the perfect trajectory you just as a as a person who sees who's played normal weekend golf your whole life with all your normal weekend golf buddies and then watching someone actually do that on purpose, it's fucking amazing. Yeah. Yeah, we watched, I think I watched, we watched Rory hit out of a bunker at Chambers Bay for like 20 minutes.

Just an absolute clinic. I was like, I was so blown away. It felt so bad about my own game. It was amazing kind of mix of emotions to have. But it was awesome. How is your own game? Obviously,

you're elite with the feet. You know, you're one of the all-time punters. Wow. I'd love to know, how's the hand, eye coordination with the, you know,

actually swinging the club. Yeah, it's decent. You know, people always say, well, you know, you're a specialist in the NFL. You should be really good. I'm not that good. There are a lot of holes in my game that I've yet to be closed up. You know, I'm waiting for my Bubba Watson breakthrough without just going out there and like not not getting any lessons just kind of rodogging it. But it's, yeah, there are some things that really need to fix. I got a nice little snap hook going. So we're figuring things out. I'm just a little handsy. But I think, but I think, I think, you know, handicapped, like, anywhere between like a 12 and 14. So, I mean, decent, but I'm not threatening any course records, yeah.

Yeah. Do you get down to Chambers Bay? You played down there? I do. Yeah, I played down there a few times. My brother actually lives just like two miles away from the course. So that's kind of his home track when we ever get together and play. He likes to play Chambers.

So it's a great place to play. It is hard if you're going to, I mean, you have to walk it. So it's, you know, if it's a nice hot day here in the Pacific Northwest, you're going to be feeling it the next day for sure. Yeah, that place can beat you up too, just T to Green. There's bunkers everywhere. You've got crazy runoffs and slopes, but it is gorgeous. One of the most gorgeous courses I think I've ever seen. Yeah.

Yeah, those fairway bungers are absolute murder. And you have like a long part five. It's just nothing but bunkers up the whole right side. You know, it's a slicer's nightmare. But it is, it's great. You just got to take your medicine and get out of it. You play golf in season or is it mess with you at all? Is it mess with your technique?

I like to a few times. I mean, I'm definitely not an every week guy get out there. But yeah, I mean, every couple weeks I like to get out there. There's a few courses up near our facility that are really nice and well-maintained. So, yeah, it's good to get out there. I'm not playing multiple rounds for sure, but one round a week, just make sure I'm stretching out good before and after. And I really like it.

I think it's a good way to just kind of get away from the madness of everything, and put the phone down for a few hours and just, you know, go, go get some meet time. I usually put it by myself, so I'll get paired with some random people, you get to meet some people in network. It is a good deal. Imagine they get paired with you. They're like, they're like, you do what? You're like, what the hell do you get?

Like one of the best punters in the world? How does that go usually? Yeah, it's usually like whole five or six. You know, I usually try not bring it up and then, you know, you talk about, okay, how you guys live around here or, yeah, okay, how long have you been living? here and then it gets to oh I'm with the Rams like oh what are you with the ram I'm a player I'm like wait oh what's your name again oh yeah I knew it was you probably not but no it's I knew it was you yeah it is it's a fun thing to have it I mean

then then as soon as that cat's out of the bag is just nothing about football questions for the rest of the rounds yeah true you're probably trying to hide it a little bit you probably just want to talk golf Yeah, I just probably want to just scream at myself for how bad I'm playing usually. But no, it's a talk golf, talk whatever. I mean, I'm an open book out there. It's fun to, I like to learn about the other people to ask them cool questions and try not to feel like I'm just monopolizing the conversation.

Yeah, because you, yeah, once they find out, you're just dominating that for some when it comes to conversational stuff. They just probably want to pivot back to you the whole time. Yeah, yeah. So what's Aaron Donald really like? Is he really got strong? Oh, my God. Is Jill and Ramsey, does he trash talk you in the locker room?

Yeah, there's so much stuff that people want to know about. But it's, it is fun. I mean, golf is a great sport in that, you know, you can go out there and get paired with anybody. I've been paired with three women before. And, you know, you just go out there, have fun. Everyone does their best. And you encourage each other for good shots and, you know, trying out to get each other's heads trying to help each other out. It is, it's great.

I love golf. There's so many beautiful things about the sport. and my wife is an absolute trooper for letting me go. We have two young kids, so that's kind of cut into my game development overall. But, you know, I'm still having a great time, and she allows me to get out a few times a month. So I'm really thankful.

Yeah, kids and wife and obviously winning Super Bowls, that's all going to affect the handicap. I think, you know, you don't have as much time to practice this game as most people. So I think at 12 to 14 is pretty respectable when you look at your schedule. Yeah, a few points each. I mean, living in the Northwest, don't really get a lot of chances to get out in beautiful weather and practice under ideal conditions.

But, you know, I got a good group of friends up here. I grew up in this area, so all my high school buddies are still up here, so we get out when we can. Virtual golf is a decent thing up here, and there's a few kind of bars to have virtual golf stands and stalls. So I'm not sure if, you know, every time you miss hit a ball virtually,

you're like, ah, well, the sensor's off. So it's never, it's never your fault. It's all it's sensors. That's why you got to try these new full swing monitors. I don't know if you ever hit in one of those things. The ball actually, you could actually bend the ball left and right. You can fade it. You can draw it.

It's absolutely phenomenal. I've honestly never seen anything like it. We hit one when we were out in California at their headquarters. I mean, Tiger Woods uses one, so that's how you know it's good. But like you can actually, like, if you let's, like I hit one way left. And on most moders, like it won't even generate that like left. Like most moders, it starts off the middle. So even if you hit the left, like the line will still start from the middle of the screen.

Like this one, I shanked one. And it just went way off the left. And you heard like the crowd go, whoa. Like you actually heard like chaos. So I always used to believe that like, yeah, you really can't tell if you're hitting a good shot or bad shot. But once I hit a full swing, it was it was pretty like eye opening of like what these sensors and monitors can start doing now. It's, it's, it's, I think virtual golf is going to get so good. It's crazy.

Yeah. I love it. I'm all four. I've got to have to try one of those things. Yeah. And then always pushing my wife to try and get one in the house, but I'm not good enough and I don't think we have the space. So, yeah, the simulator action, I feel like is taking over a lot of different places.

A lot of the major cities have kind of a different simulator spots you can go. And it is great in the winter when you get shitty climates to be able to get out there and just swing. Like, just as a golf rick, you just get so antsy for, you know, six weeks, eight weeks for months. You can't get outside and actually play. Just swinging and actually feeling a golf club hit a golf ball. you're like, oh, hell yeah, even if you're inside. Yeah, yeah, it is an irreplaceable feeling for sure. There's nothing.

I mean, you can do all the drills you want and everything, but nothing like smack in one pier. No. Nothing like smack in one peer. Do you, how's your acceptance of not being perfect on the golf course? Because, you know, comparatively, you've been kicking footballs to near perfection for probably your whole life for a very long time at the top level.

then you get out there in golf and obviously it's imperfect for most of the time how's your tip like can you handle that do you get rattled how do you handle it um i mean it's usually a like a few swings and i find a way to fix it um but i mean for the most part it's you got to just like being a specialist you have to be pretty like mentally tough and just like every every rep is just like an individual on a current so you got to just go out there and treat it like so and i think golf is very much the same way where you you hate a ball if it's good or bad, try not to let it affect the next swing. Of course, it's good.

You can be happy and kind of like, you know, be loose and let the next one kind of fly a little bit. But I'm definitely not a big screamer, club thrower. I'll get mad at myself, really internalize it, but I don't, yeah, I'm not a big yeller. There was one time I was playing with my dad. And I might have been like a freshman in high school. I was playing with his clubs. He had the Golden Bear specials from Costco. And I, I think I, like, chunked a wedge or topped, like, three in a row,

something. And I threw one of his clubs. And he just, I grabbed him by the back of the neck. He was like, hey, don't you ever throw another person's clubs. If they're yours, you can throw them. Big learning lesson for me to not throw clubs. And just kind of keep it tight. Keep it tight on the course.

What was your introduction to punting? Like, how do you become a specialist? How do you know that that's what it is for you? Yeah. So I played soccer growing up. And, you know, when went to my first year of football with my parents deemed I was, you know, big enough to play and was going to be somewhat safe. You know, and they had kicking and punting tryouts. And I was just kind of naturally good at it.

So from that moment on from, yeah, from sixth grade on, I just was always the team's kicker and punter. And then played quarterback as well because I wanted to, you know, wanted to be a quarterback. And in high school ended up, yeah, playing kicker and punter and quarterback. made a highlight tape, made a highlight tape and sent it out to schools. And my coach told me to put a few of my punts at the very end. I almost didn't do it. And then I ended up getting a call back from Oregon State University to come walk on and punt. That's just dominating that football field, throwing, kicking.

Punting is so interesting because what you said is true where it's like you're just naturally good at it. And some guys just are really, really good at kicking a football. Like when I played football in high school, most guys are not good at kicking football. But if there's one guy who can, can, he just automatically becomes the kicker, the punter, and he does it all the time. And he, and it's actually a very valuable weapon at that level because there's not a lot of people who are good at it. It's just interesting that every once in a while there'll be a guy who's really, really good at it. And it sounds like you were clearly one of those guys. Yeah. Yeah, it definitely

was a bit of natural, natural ability with, you know, growing up playing soccer and just kicking stuff. And then, yeah, before practice every day, me and my head coach, we'd have like just a punt off. you know, he'd work on, he'd just, it was just natural. You know, there was no, he wasn't trying to teach me any technique. He was just, all right, let's see who can hit the most spirals. And like, you know, we'd just take 10, 10 puns, and then we'd warm up to the returners and just try and hit spirals. And then, you know, through that, you learn some base technique

and then you go learn from somebody else to clean it all up. And then, yeah, I'm really thankful for the coaches that I've had that have kind of refined my technique, but it definitely starts with a natural skill set, I think. Was it at all like, Was there any resistance from you of I'm going to specialize in punting? Was there any like, no, no, I want to be the quarterback. I mean, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, when I went to Oregon State, I was thinking in the back of my mind. So they had recruited me as a quarterback as well. So when I got to Oregon State, I had it in the back of my mind. I was like, okay, like I'm going to get on campus as the putter and then I'm going to throw balls and like offseason workouts and they're going to see me. And, you know, they're going to say, oh, man, we need to get this guy in the quarterback room. and we had like six scholarship quarterbacks,

and I was not going to beat out any of them. So I was like, okay, well, let's put all my eggs in this punting basket and, you know, did that and ended up starting as a true freshman, you know, for four years at Oregon State and realized the quarterbacks had to stay way later than everybody else. They had so much responsibility and blame when things went bad. So being a punter probably wasn't the worst thing for me. And I was able to earn a scholarship going into my second year.

You know, really just enjoyed my time to Corvallis and Oregon stay was a great spot for me but in the back of my mind i always thought you know oh man if i go in there and get some reps and oh if i can get on the the um the look team to something i'll light them up and you know uh but it it's been fun i am so thankful that's how my career has turned out because being a punter is probably the best job in the world maybe it can still happen maybe you can still just you're still just like i'm going to be the punter right now and then maybe just maybe i can i can be the starting qb for the rams yeah call that fake call that that fake punt coach well yeah i was gonna say how many how many official passes do you have in the

NFL right now oh man i've thrown maybe like 20 yeah i mean that's that's you got a little bit of that you you you tickled that itch a little bit i mean you're throwing fucking footballs in the nfl there's no denying that there was so my second year in the league um they actually had me throwing during seven on seven for uh for like the rookie mini camp or it was like it was like after it was after practice, but like a rookie development, like period. So it was just like rookies doing seven on seven. And they brought me out there with one of the like rookie quarterbacks they had in St.

Louis. And they're just showing me the diagram. And like, okay, this guy's running here, going to go in here. I was, okay, whatever.

Like there's no pressure. I'm just going to drop back and let it fly. I think I ended up doing pretty good, actually. I'm not, I don't remember my stats from the day, but I remember leaving pretty impressed myself. It was fun.

I definitely had my NFL quarterback moment. That'd be like, that'd be like a, movie. If a movie, if you wrote a movie where the hunter, like, gets a weird opportunity to, you know, throw balls with the practice squad, and you're just zipping them, and you got them right in and they're like,

whoa, this is pretty crazy. And then you win a Super Bowl. I mean, you won a Super Bowl anyway, but maybe you could win another one. I think that's, like, yeah, I think that's the plot line to, like, airbud. It might be, whoa, whoa, what, whoa, what's this dog doing? Fuck. Dude, when they're

when they're, when they, when they, when they, yeah, exactly. When they call a fake punt, right? Like, you get that, you're in the huddle, you know it's about to come. Like, are you just so jacked up? Like, how do you contain yourself and, like, not show that off right before you're about to pull that off? Like, going through the motions, like, you're about to kick it. It takes some mental gymnastics, for sure. You go out there and you're thinking, okay.

Like, this is a big moment. Don't blow it because if I blow it, I'm not going to get to throw another one. So it's a deal where there's definitely a lot of pressure on me. but then I also have to act cool. I can't let any of my like pre-punt routine look different or any of my, like my stance. I always swing my arms. I can't let any of that be off or different.

So yeah, for the most part, I'm just trying to play it cool. And then when the time comes, just let it rip. Just pretend like it's for the most time, for the most part is just everyone's so caught off guard. It's literally just me and one guy on the field. Like he's wide open. So we're just playing catch. So I think about we're playing catch just like we do in practice. You know, we run it in practice multiple.

times every week. So just go back to that and have confidence and go out and do your thing. That's so funny that it's just like, oh, nothing to see here, everybody. But meanwhile, you're trying to trick like millions of people. I mean, you're trying to trick everybody on the other team. You're tricking everyone in the stand. You're trying to trick everybody on TV. Like, you're all a sudden you're an actor. I mean, he's like bluffing. You're fucking like, yeah, you're like an actor for 40 seconds. It's incredible. It is fun. And there are times when you go out there and maybe you're trying to act like there is a fake. And you want to, you want to, like, get a little, you know, butt hole on the other side,

get them freaking out a little bit. So that way they're, maybe they back off the line if they had a rush or something. So there's, there's different aspects of being tricked on the football field for sure. It's fun. I wanted to ask you, we had, um, a couple years ago, we had this, this guy working at Barstle, he was like an intern, but he was from Australia. And he went to Rutgers. He was a punter there.

And I remember he, he went for like a tryout for an NFL kicking gig. And I remember them saying to him, or he was a guy. He came back to the office and was like, yeah, I didn't get, like, didn't get very far. Like, I could kick the ball, whatever it was, 70 yards, 65 yards, because he played rugby and he had such a long, he had ridiculous legs. But he said because of the hang time, they wouldn't even look at him, right? Like, he wasn't, he was hitting absolute missiles, but he never got it high enough. So I always wondered, like, how much of that goes into play of, of, like, what's going out through your mind? Is it hang time?

Is it length? Like, because that was very interesting. I never really thought of hang time is that important when kicking. I always thought to try and boom it as far. as you possibly could. Yeah. So I've been taught that there's there's three factors. There's hang time, distance, and direction.

And for it to be a good punt, you need two of the three. You know, an elite punt is going to have all three. You know, you're going to put it, you know, 55 yards on the sideline, you know, five seconds in hang time. But then there's also in like that in the distance and hang time calculation, you want them to match up. So like to force a fair cast, they say, okay, if you're going to hit it 40 yards, it needs to be at least four seconds.

45 yards, 4.5 seconds, 50 yards, 5. No. And so, yeah, for the most part, you're really just trying to get it in the direction you want first off so your cover guys know which way to go. And then, look, if you outplay your coverage, they're going to hit like a 70 yard with four seconds of hang time. And the returner is going to have a few seconds before anyone's even near him. So you never want that because those guys are so dangerous. And, you know, they're paid just to run balls back to the end zone. So it is your job to really limit that and hang it up there for them. What goes into the mental aspect of it? Because you're, you know, I met a lot of these times you're sitting there not really doing much in terms of in the field.

Then all of a sudden you come out and there's a big moment. I mean, like you said, you need to kick a ball pretty elite pretty perfectly. Do you work with like any mental coach? Do you do any men? Do you read any books? How do you prepare for kind of the mental part of turning it off for a while and then like snapping in and being able to perform? Yeah, I think that's something that has come naturally. I mean, I've definitely read books. I've talked to people. I've picked other punters brains on that kind of aspect just because it is so

unique. You know, you're kicking into a net for three downs. I mean, really kind of just first down that I catch snap for a snapper for second down and a little bit of third down and I hit one more ball in the net. But really, I think what's most vital for me is just communication, just knowing, okay, this is where the coach wants me to go, so that way I can kind of visualize it while I'm, you know, getting ready to take the field and then just making sure that everyone on the punt team communicates together and gets the same call. And we all know what we're doing.

But for the most part, yeah, I mean, when we're on defense, I'm just hanging out. I'm just sitting on the sideline, you know, trying to stay loose and, and crack some jokes with our kicker and just lay love. So there is a bit of disconnect you have to have, you know, so you can just be for, I mean, for me, There's guys different, do it differently, you know, depending on their personalities. But I'm definitely a loosey-goosey, you know, have fun, keep the light.

You know, don't take the game too seriously because it's, well, it's entertainment. It's just a game to a lot of people. So, you know, we go there and have fun and, you know, handle business when we need to. But that disconnect is pretty important and just knowing, okay, being able to lock in when you need to. But just, yeah, having confidence in the communication and your preparation is also huge. Is there ever a moment in a game, where like the game's locked up, you know you guys are going to win. There's a third down and party who's rooting for like, all right,

don't get this one, boys. I'm going to punt the shit out of this next ball. I mean, it depends on what my punts previously I've been. Usually I'm just rooting for a first down. Let's just go home. Let's get back in the locker room. I got a soda to drink with the boys and hang out. So it's, you know, I'm usually rooting for the game to end as fast as possible.

but if you know if the moment's right you know if we're at elevation and got a nice little wind to your back why not go out there and pipe one you know why don't do it that is you just can that's like such a rare move or position to be it in sports where you can just send one like you can just kind of wail away and kick something as hard and high as you possibly can that's just got to feel great especially with your adrenaline do you notice you know golfers talk all the time but like back nine Sunday they've got to adjust their yardages because of adrenaline and tournament, you know, adrenaline is different than practice rounds. Do you like, do you kick it further and harder and higher in game player and in Super Bowl than you do in practice? For sure. Yeah, I mean,

definitely in warm-ups, sometimes you're just getting a groomer and you're like, where, where is this guy, you know, where's this guy coming from? But, you know, for the most part, I mean, it's, it's very similar to golf as well. You don't want to get onto the T and swing as hard as you can and just and just forget all your technique. You know, there's a, there's kind of a method to kind of being relaxed, swinging just smooth through the ball, especially for me. I got really long legs, you know, swinging smooth and just with clean technique usually helps me more than really amping up and trying just to absolutely murder a football.

So there's a fine line you walk with, you know, between Happy Gilmore and, you know, just hitting a chip. You got to find the happy medium of what works for you. But, yeah, it's just like a golfer. Every specialist knows their swing, knows, kind of what their operating ranges are. You know, I don't think anyone's going to swing,

unless you're trying to break an NFL record for the longest field goal, you're not going to really swing as hard as you can and really just forget everything. But it is, yeah, it is a great thing when you do connect on one and you're really in the sound, just adrenaline pump in. And, yeah, you're in a game. You just absolute smoke one. That's a great feeling,

especially when, you know, sometimes, like, when you're golfing, you hit a ball and you just can tell as soon as you hear the sound. sometimes I'm still looking down. The ball is already traveling. I'm just like, oh, yeah, that ball's annihilated. So that did. That's great. That is just fantastic.

It is golf-like, man. It's, you know, because like basketball, hockey, a lot of positions in kind of football. It's like you're in the flow of the game. It's more just reactionary, whereas your position is very much, like, you kind of come in, you think about it for a while, you come in and here's the moment. Do you visualize, like, what is your pre, like, right before you kick it? Are you thinking about anything? Do you visualize exactly the trajectory, the trage,

or you kind of think about where you want it to land? What do you think about? Yeah, so, I mean, before that, I think about kind of what, what approach I want to take, you know, where we're at the field, how much field we have, what kind of punt I want to hit. Do I want to hit a spiral? Do I want to hit an end over end? Do I want something that cuts, you know, or draws a little bit? And, you know, just what am I going to, it's very much like golf, especially going in puns.

from like a 50 going in. You got to try and place the ball. So when I'm back there, I usually just try to make sure that my body's face towards where I want to go. You know, I take, like, pick a point in the stadium or maybe up in, like, one of the press boxes that I want to start my ball at. And then, yeah, just always visualize the ideal trajectory. And then if it's a little bit off, then you can live with that.

But definitely always envision the perfect ball flight before you go out there. They're essentially a pro-shots. You're hitting cut shots and draws into a green. That's all you're doing. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The different thing for me is, you know, I'm facing right trying to get the returner to go over there, to play it over there, and then I'm yanking one left, you know, whereas in golf you never want to yank it away from where you're trying to go. But this one, you're trying to be a little bit tricky. And, you know, you have had different shots in your bag to bend it away from guys and make them come up on it and just have the trajectory be a little bit different from what they see. You also have professional athletes trying to stop you from performing that, which is a little bit different than guys.

Run and actually trying to block it. Yeah, it is. That would be cool to see people trying to block golf balls. That would be probably a lot of injuries. Have you perfected that little pirouette that punters will do when a guy just comes under their foot and they do that little spin? I always love that when they show that in slow motion when the punters trying to get that little, that little contact.

Not really. It happens so mad. The most part, I'm trying to get out of the way by anybody. Early in my career, when I got kind of run into, that I didn't fall down. And I got kind of yelled after that. They're like, well, hey, we could have five yards in a first down. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. But you learn as you get older and then kind of become a little more crafty and go down a little more easily.

What are your thoughts on making a tackle? Just getting away. You know, I'm not going to pretend like I'm a, you know, a linebacker or someone, you know, a real, like, you know, sure thing when it comes to tackling someone in the open field. So for the most part, I try and use the sideline as my friend and then use my friends as my friends, you know, trying to turn them back to the real athletes that are pursuing from the other angles. But, I mean, yeah, and part of that is just getting up in there. You know, when I point of all, I usually don't sit there and watch it.

You know, unless it's a going in where I know there's not going to be a return. I usually run down to where I think the return's going to go and just having some awareness in that respect. So they're trying to set up a wall return. You kind of try to beat the wall and cut it off. So just being involved, being down there via body. If you make the tackle great, if not, just make him stutter his feet or run out of bounce. Yep. Do we have to do a punting video?

I mean, if we got the pro tracer, dude, on your punts, like when you hit like a draw, a draw and a cut, you hit them like high, low, right yardage, and then like we try to do it, you talk us through it. I mean, that'd be incredible. Yeah. Let's do it. I'm down.

Some of them are pretty easy to do. Some of them might take some more practice, but it's fun. I wouldn't be able to punt a ball more than 10 yards. I mean, I got weakest ankles. Are you crazy? Your ankle just breaks it half. That's why we're going to do it. That's why it's a good idea.

We're going to make sure we stretch a lot before and after. That'll be a hamstring blowout waiting to happen. Dude, watching you just paint the field would be awesome. That would be so cool. Yeah. Because people will realize what goes into it. Yeah, it is fun. And the cool thing is there's guys hitting so many different styles of punts.

Yeah, like trajectory. and how the ball moved. It is pretty fun to watch and to, I'm sure getting like a shot tracer on those would be pretty cool to see, okay. What you got to do is we got to have him punt on a golf course. Like actually hit them into greens, right? Over the water, hit it.

You left or right. Go with the wind. How many greens can he hit on all 18 holes of a golf course from like, you know, however many yards out. That'd be fucking awesome. That might be the idea. That might be the idea, dude. Dude, you dropping them in next to flagsticks.

That'd be insane. It'd leave a nice imprint next to the green. I'm sure the, you know. Grounds crew would love that. Yeah, the grounds would not be having. Hard greens, yeah. Yeah, firm greens, firm greens. Yeah.

Man, awesome. That's really cool. I mean, you're Super Bowl champion. You have the record, I believe, Super Bowl record for 65-yarder in the Super Bowl, which is insane. He signed a five-year, $18.8 million dollar contract punting in the NFL. It's just so cool. It's so specialized.

It's at such a high level. And like Frankie said, people, really impressive professional athletes are trying to do anything to stop you from doing what you want to do. It's amazing. Yeah, it is kind of, I mean, it's one of the bigger adjustments from level to level is just the speed of people trying to block you. You know, your get off time has to be so much better, which just means your hands have to be more pure catching the ball, getting it molded, putting it out there. So there's a lot to it. I don't have much time to sit there and think about it once the snap really happens. It's just like a kind of a swing motion.

You know, once you start, once you start with the back swing, you can't, okay, think, okay, is my clug face aligned? Okay. And the half part of my back swing or the very top, what am I doing? You just got to kind of be in the moment and kind of get in the zone and just not think about it too much. Because the more you're thinking, the harder time you're going to have for sure. It's crazy. It's awesome. So cool.

Well, Johnny Hacker, Super Bowl champ. We're going to do a video. We're going to make a video. We're going to go to a golf course. we're going to have you just drop little tear drops in next to flags all over that place. It's going to be great. Let's do it. I'm in.

Well, you appreciate the time. Let's set that up. And, you know, obviously, good luck next season. Good luck with everything. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thanks, guys. Have a good one.

Thanks, man. Congratulations. Peace out. Thanks, guys.