Fore Play - MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT IN FORE PLAY LORE

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

Friend of the program Alistair Docherty joins the show as we deliver him life-changing news: he has officially earned his PGA Tour card. Alistair reflects on his long road to this moment, the work it took to get here, and what achieving this dream means to him. Then, we try to make sense of LIV Golf filing for bankruptcy.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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So make sure you check out. their lineup at chevy.com. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot of his name's Frankie Barrelli. So the guys actually gave him

a nickname of butter knives because he always knifleds it across the green. Broke 100. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you.

You're making it cool. We appreciate it. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 of these yesterday. Take 100 and you go fuck yourself. What?

What are you guys hitting with? It's ain't a hobby. What's up, fellas? What's what the guitars? You guys are, I guess that's your little local flavor this week? We're in, well, I'm in Franklin, Tennessee, our tournaments at the Legends Golf Club at Vanderbilt. We're just in the Airbnb.

They just happen to be some guitars. It's like, great. That's a good background. God, you picked out a great background. We do podcasting for a living. Look how shitty my background is. Look at Trent's background. Horrible.

I got laundry behind me. Got a new chair. The chair looks nice, Frank. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. I actually don't know how to stop it from going all the way back. So that's something I'm dealing with right now. Yeah.

That's a sleeping chair. I'd rock back and forth and I'd be out. All right. So you guys got the finals pretty much coming up here for Corn Ferry Tour. Alice, or you've been out on that Corn Ferry tour for. a long time now. I think it was two years ago that your ass came one stroke

short of having a PGA tour card twice in the span of a couple months. It was just gut-wrenching. You've been our guy for a long time. We don't really have a question to ask you, to be honest with you. Corn Ferry Tour reached out. They have crunched the numbers. They have run the gamut. They have officially declared you. Take it to the bank. No question.

ass done deal. Alastard Dockery tore about. Come on. 2027. That sounds amazing. Come on, baby. I'm already tearing up. That's a dream come true.

That's so awesome. Alster, dude, you did it. I mean, think about the ups and downs, man. Yeah. Coming that close, the car accident, everything. You just, you went through it all. you never gave up. This is an American success story.

Take away sports in general. You had a dream and you would not give up that dream. And now you have made it to the PGA tour for you, for your family, for your future family, everything. You've done it, dude. You are right now on the precipice of your dream.

You've done it. You've achieved it. It's awesome. I mean, I'm a little speechless. Yeah, the downs were, crazy. The ride has been wild. My goodness. Yeah, this is awesome. Well done, Alistair. You are the man. Man,

when I met you, you were Caddian at Silverleaf trying to save up money to Monday qualify, to go to the first stage of Hughes School. Alex Hankey, who's doing great at Pinehurst, by the way. I saw him a couple times over the last few weeks, brings you out to a match. You've been talking a little bit of shit to you behind the scenes as a fellow caddy at Silver Leaver. He's like, we're going to go play with Riggs. We got a whole camera crew, which none of that was true at all. But we showed up, had ourselves a little match at Mesa.

I think you shot like 62 and just took every dollar I had in my pocket office that day to go from there. Well, I like to press. Well, I like to press. Turns out you're so good, you're on four years later. Here you are officially tour bound. This guy's going to the PGA tour. And that is, man, the PGA tour is something that just has to be earned. Alistair, that is not, you know, I was getting a little choked up doing my intro on it too.

I'm glad I held it together. But that is not something. It's not like there's some scout in a baseball franchise that likes you and decides to take a shot on you and give you a contract. This is like pure meritocracy, pure. purely earned. You've got to go out there and get your ball in the whole week after week after week. You're currently fourth in the Corn Ferry Tour standings and you have locked up your PGA tour card, which is the pinnacle. It's the peak. It's the best golf you could possibly play. And you, my friend, did it. So very, very big congratulations to you.

Thank you. And thanks for being my scout. You were a big part of that. So thank you so much. I saw the way you're hitting the golf ball. It's like, what the fuck is going on? with this guy? Why is this guy out here at Mesa with us? What? That's important. It's got to be somewhere else. Because it was free golf. I was in. Really, really awesome. While we got you, Al, you know, I know, obviously it's official now with the numbers and everything. It was pretty, I think he had a pretty good idea that if you just play some semblance of the golf, you could play that it was going to happen. What's like going in the next year having like a whole different opportunity. If you've done any, like, kind of,

not you don't want to try to get ahead of yourself but any kind of prep for that you've been trying to think about how you want to how you want to do it what you're going to maybe be able to play in next year and scheduling around it what's because it's a different you know this is a different ball game they were in the major leagues now yeah um the the last two weeks have been well we we had two weeks off so a little bit of uh sit down and kind of look at next year's schedule and um i've already got three tournaments that are circled that I want to, one, qualify for and two, you know, play well in. The first one that I'm

guaranteed to get into is the Amex. Obviously, you know about my little bit about my caddying background. When I first finished up at Chico State, I went down to the vintage club in Palm Desert. So I caddied there for a few years and I've actually played those golf courses quite a bit. We used to tip the cart guys at PGA West and, you know, three o'clock, 20 bucks, here you go. We're going to go tee off. He goes, yeah, I play as many as you want. So I've played those golf courses. I'm really excited about that one.

Obviously, living in Scottsdale now, the waste is going to be something's very, very special. Yeah, I had that one circled for you, a big time. I'm trying to figure out, I got to weigh some options on what I'm going to wear on 16. I mean, it's a lot of things like that. of Vancouver Canuck jersey. I think that's what you're going to be wearing. No, that's got to wait until the RBC Canada. I mean, I did it when I got through Myrtle.

I was kind of thinking maybe maybe one of our pickup hockey game, hockey team jerseys. Wow, the Star Pucks. Imagine you get a little stuck. Yeah, people might not know that Alster and I play a little 6 a.m. morning hockey, pick up hockey together occasionally.

Yeah, at the ice day. You should not be doing now because you're on the BJT tour. It was all fun in games a little bit earlier. Now it's like, we got to keep this guy healthy. I still might do Star Pucks, but I'm not going to do like actual games. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can get away with just skating at 6 a.m.

It gets the body movement and then you can go do everything else. But when you have the games at 9, 10 p.m., 11 p.m. Dude, and you just can't help the bar until 2 a.m. I know. And you can't help it. You're like, I'm going to go out there and just skate around, make sure I don't get hurt. I'm like, you start to hate the other team five minutes into the game and you're sprinting into the corners to get the fuck. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, uh, you know, I'm, I'll take it a little easier for sure. That's probably, that's probably a good idea. Yeah, the Phoenix Open. I had that one circled for you. My ass is going to be out there in a tunic. I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I might hold the damn score leaderboard sign and just be like, I got to, I got to see this man in the Phoenix open. So having you in those events, man, that is just so sick.

It's like the world is your oyster now. You're going to be at the top level. I've kind of forgotten about your background with the MX. And I know, like still to this day, a couple times a year you kind of go out that way, don't you? I feel like. And you go play at the Madison Club and kind of hang out with that crew? Yeah.

I haven't played at the Madison for a couple years, but there is somebody out there that takes me out every once in a while. I've gone over there and hung out with David Woods since I used to work for him at the vintage club. I had a great time with him at Barbudi's wedding. Mike Barbudy's wedding. Me and me and David Woods and his wife hung out the whole time. He's a nice guy. I like him. He's awesome.

He's awesome. He's been very, very helpful since I turned professional. He's the one boys that we had on at the Phoenix Open. We were sitting there by the range. He had Frankie, all colors of gamets and gadgets on Frankie trying to kind of get him straight down. Yeah.

Yeah. How'd that go, Frankie? You get all straightened out. It hasn't worked for shit, but now I'm on a new thing now. Frankie's on to the next thing. We're on this performance golf app now. and basically it said

so I haven't put out the video yet but you scan your swing in and it analyzes it and it finds a root flaw in it and it gives you a score out of a hundred and my first swing was a 20 out of a hundred so we have a lot to work on it was shocking.

You have our best swing too. You got our best swing. That's not good. When you start to see the colors go on the screen and you're like, all right, here's your takeaway. I haven't done it yet. And then it's like here's steep, steep, steep, steep, steep, deep, deep, Yeah, well, the 20 out of 100, you get 80% to improve on.

And next thing you know, you're shooting in the 60s. That's what I'm talking about. So there's always room for improvement. But yeah, that was a great talk with David Woods. He's an interesting cat. And he has all these gadgets and all these things. It's definitely, because he's the pro sender guy, right? Yep.

I use it weekly. I need him to make lefty versions of all these things. Like the new one that he has, the one that's like, what does that help with like the lag or the connection? the widener the widener the widener yeah that one like he doesn't have a lefty version of it

I'm like he couldn't he didn't even have a prototype lefty version of it dude that one it was so funny when I was with him I guess Big John had recently put out a video of the Widener and he had it like upside down and yeah and he was like shitting on it he's like this thing sucks and like David Winston's like panic DMing him being like

no you got it upside down like this is the biggest marketing opportunity I've ever had. So when I was with him at Barbudy's wedding, he was like, do you, do you know Big John Gus? I was like, we were just kind of filming and hanging out with them. And so I texted him and big John goes, is that the upside down gadget guy? He goes, oh, fuck. So he put out like a new video doing it right now. Woods was all fired up. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, no, I use the pro sender, the wrist cradle weekly. It's, it's helped a lot. that just gives me little checkpoints here and there that allow me to do what I do in my swing. And it's it's really nice to have everywhere I go on the road.

Yeah, we love the skills stuff and we're going to we're going to even have a we have such a good deal with them. It's been great. But we also cannot ignore the fact that that pro sender like Rory, I see Rory's been using that thing at times. We got Doherty now as Torbound. Like we might have to get in the market with them on the pro center because that thing kills it. I think Sean Foley works with them pretty heavily. that thing too. Yeah. Have you put any,

is the word onus I'm looking for? Yeah. Onus on the fact that once you stopped wearing barstool golf gear, your career became an absolute rocket ship. And Elon Musk, Marsbound rocket ship. I'm going to not put it on the barstool gear

because I really started working hard with my sports psychologist. and really dove in. Feels good. And it has helped me to get to where I'm at now. I have opened up to a couple people about it, but I was in a really, really bad space last winter, especially after Q school

and what happened all of last year after the car accident, and I wasn't myself. And so being able to sit down with my sports psychologist, Dr. Stephen Gainsburg, and Ginsburg, sorry. And he has, he has gotten me to a place where, where I'm at now. And every single day, I'm constantly working on it,

but it's, it's so much easier to wake up in the morning and know what I need to do and go through the process. And, you know, believe it or not, it's really nice to like yourself every single day. Yeah. And when you don't like yourself every day, it's a scary place to be.

So it's been a really big transformation and I'm really, really happy with where I'm at. That's amazing. I wish you would say that it was just the gears fall because then we would have a little storyline there. Yeah, I can't do that to you. He said us a favor there. He did a favor.

That's a big favor. We dodged a bullet there. I was going to say like for the for the 16th at the WM Phoenix Open, just wear anything but like a barstool jersey or something. But what if I wear a barstool? to Jersey and I hoop it. Like that's that's dangerous. We're right.

The merch tent's right there. We'll bring out whatever you want if you want. Dude, it is true though. What Riggs said before is such a great point and it's something that I think we overlook as golf fans, but it's the one sport where no matter how much skill you have, you can't get let in to the professional arena until you actually achieve, you know, the pinnacle of the sport as opposed to it being, like you said, just a highly skilled player. maybe you're a hockey player and you're some big body like a pierre angvall in the islanders we signed

for seven years not to throw anyone into the bus or whatever but like it's a big guy big skater a lot of potential like it always comes down to the island it's like yeah but like now it's like he's healthy scratch every for seven years now but like like that guy and he he earned his way up for sure all they did but like there's guys that you're just like taking risks on and i thought that was such a great point by rigs he can't do that in golf and i think that in the back of our mind when we were watching you get one stroke away multiple times and it's one putt over four days and all these things. Even I would have calls talks with Trent, you know, on our long drives across the country going

from event to event. We'd be talking about Alistair. And I would say, how is he handling all of this? Like, I mean, at some point, enough is enough. Like you would, I wouldn't be mentally strong enough to be that close because you know you're skilled enough to get there. You know that if it was another sport, they would absolutely pick you and just wait for you to blossom.

But in golf, it's like, Nope. Go back to making nothing and just grinding and driving from place to place. You will never be up here until you make that final put. And to get that close that many times, that would break anybody. So for you to be able to, for you to now be able to kind of open up and say that you were going through hard times, I think I commend you for being able to get through all of that. I think we all assumed you probably were going through tough times because that is a lot to handle, dude.

Like that's not easy. You're there. You've done it. And we all know golf. like it's a fucking blade of grass that pushes the ball from right to left and that's the difference between succeeding at your dreams right come on man no other world no other job no other anything will they not let you through maybe like a test that you have to like pass for your bar exam like you literally have to get a certain number that's like the only thing i can compare it to like you have

to get an actual number on a piece of paper to get through to the next thing that's not easy dude that is not easy so that's my little rant and just i'm proud that you were able to uh proud of you that you were able to do that. Thank you. Yeah. It's a, it was a, it was a crazy time. And I think I was dealing with it well enough. And then when the car crash happened and I really couldn't fully come back from it, that's when it just spiraled. And I wasn't doing anything to help myself. You know, I was just trying to put myself right back into competition and try and push through it like a, Like a hockey player, you know, I kept, I think I told Riggs this.

I was like, a bruise on the leg is a long way from the heart. Like, I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep fucking going at this. You know, I'm going to keep pushing. I'm going to keep good in it. And then, you know, I find out that I was actually, you know, very, very concussed. And I shouldn't have been playing golf. And, you know, they didn't really diagnose me that after the car crash, which anybody should know, you're very concussed. But like, a month and a half later, when I finally had a week off and I went and saw a brain doctor,

they were like, you're still having symptoms. Like you need to shut it down. So it all led to, you know, what it led to now and to come out on the other side and do what I've done is really, really awesome. Yeah, man, that is that is as tough as it gets. And to have all that kind of happening and you going through that last year after the heartbreaks from the year before, it would have been just as easy to let that be like the excuse. for why you couldn't, you didn't make it, you got screwed a couple times, I was close,

and you could have easily just faded off the other direction of sort of this spectrum of like making a PGA tour, you won in Argentina this year, you are El Campione, and then, you know, shooting the back nine like zero that you shot a couple weeks ago to get into a playoff, finish in second, you know, like those, it would have been just as easy for you to go as far the other direction. and instead to kind of rally, to find that you weren't being yourself and to like put all the effort in to come out of it and get yourself as right as you could be

is something that you've had that ability and that's like this resiliency and this discipline, you know, really since I've met you and since you kind of earned that first corn fairy tour status of, you know, I know you like to go out and have a good time as much as anybody else out there And this young man is he's off the sauce. He's eating insanely healthy.

He's in bed early. He's got the, he's like in damn cryo chambers. I feel like getting his body as perfect as it could possibly be. I'm trying to book a quick dinner with him. And he's got to go see a physio from 4 to 6 p.m. After hitting range balls, all that's like, you're as disciplined and committed as any person could be. And so to then recognize this issue with your headspace and what all it's connected to and then proactively do something about it to improve go full Wyndham Clark on it is very, very commendable.

And it worked out. Here we are. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. That's been a lot of work because, man, the amount of times I want to go out and have some beers. You're a great drinking buddy. You're a great drinking buddy.

I mean, the last time I had any sort of alcohol was at New Year's when we were sending a little bit. And ever since then, it was like, all right, we're going to, we're going to shut it down. We're going to do everything possible, everything possible to make this happen. And if it doesn't, I can live with it that I did everything possible. But look at, look at where I'm at now, you know? It's like, why am I, why am I going to stop this? This is, this is full gas.

We're going for it now. And I want you to know that I know that I'm not a good influence in those situations. When I'm, I am always like, come on, have a couple of beers. Like, well, that's a couple of beers. They'll make you feel better. And like, you know, I just say no to that all the time. Very commendable again. So, yeah, man, it's been a hell of a ride.

It's so fun to watch. You know, I know the Saturday game crew, incredibly proud of you. I know you're not wearing the Barstall Golf Gare, but the CMC design folks and the Black Clover folks are great friends of ours, great friends of the program, great friends of the Saturday game and our whole network and circle that we play in in Arizona and beyond in golf. So incredibly, like, pumped for all. them for your whole team.

The last thing I got for you is I'm going to make you do a segment brought to you by Rhesus with us. And I want to know how many holes in one you have in your career. Oh. Well, I don't want to rub it in since you guys have none on the channel. Come on now. Come on. All right.

Segment's over. I have 16 hole in ones. Oh. What? My most recent one was about two or three months ago. I was back home at Orchard Hills where kind of after when I first turned pro, they gave me an honorary out there. It's a short R70, so tree-lined. Greens are super fast, pure.

And I was playing with moose and a couple other buddies. And I actually flew it in the hole. And we thought it flew over the green. and it was just boned. Like if you go over this green on hole five, you have no chance of getting this up and down. And we get up there and the hole is just dented. And we're like,

I didn't even make a sound. And it was just in the hole. 16 is an outrageous. Did you get any, did you get anyone wearing Barstool Golf Gear? That's the real test. I did not. Yeah.

So this is why. Of course. I did not. It's like, I did not. So maybe also have not in Barstall golf gear. We have not gotten a hole in one. No.

True. And any, you know, any gear, Adidas gear, Barstool Golf gear, I just can't make it in anything. Do you remember your first hole in one now? Yes. It was right before high school tryouts at Camus Meadows, hole number eight. It was 103 yards. The pin was in the front left. And I landed at about four feet behind it, and it spun back in with a full pitching wedge from 103.

Yeah. What was the selling like for then? like right before high school trials with everyone go crazy um i wasn't with anybody from high school it was i was with one of the guys that actually worked at the golf course and it was just like i i just started screaming and you kind of just black out and start running down there you know the typical stuff you see on youtube golf it just happens that's that's what happens yeah we don't know i think about we've never yeah right we've never like made it happen but i've watched other people happen happen all time um wow going

in a high school golf tryouts. That's exciting. Speaking of high school golf, dude, how about, so on Monday, I played Pinehurst number two and played out there, our good friend of the show, Tom Pashley, set the whole thing up, Eric Custer, who's one of his right-hand men at Pinehurst, who's a great guy, helps run the whole operation there. He brought his son, Wells Custer out to play with us as well. He's going to be a senior in high school this year. He was a scratch golfer about a round of scratch golfer. He shot one under on the front nine at Piner's number two, or I guess it was the back nine.

We started on the back nine. And his high school, Pinecrest High School, which is the defending state champions, fragile men's golf, he is number eight on their high school golf team. He shot 100 pounds on the first nine holes we played at Piner's number two. He is the eight. He's like,

I'm at about the eighth slot. I was like, what? How is that possible? This is the same team that 12-year-old Pete just graduated last year. And last year, I didn't even realize this, 12 year old Pete who's now like 18 years old and dating chicks and stuff and going to Ohio State

12 year old Pete made the winning put to win states last year by one stroke they won the state championship last year shit that's awesome so yeah I know what a juggernaut of a high school team just an absolute wagon just a wagon of a high school team and that made me think of that because like we've had Doug gim on here before he tells really funny high school golf stories from playing in like the chicago land area and he would win tournaments by like 55 strokes because like you know PJ door player playing against average high school golfers but yeah some sticks down at Hillcrest high school so shout out to that program down there.

They're absolutely dominating people in pioneers. That's wild. I made varsity my freshman year and I think I shot 79 83. And I was like the five guy from the white T's and it's like 6,200 yards and my home golf course. Frank you play a little high school golf. I played high school golf. I wore shorts.

Whoa. Yeah, that was back when I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I had my ears pierced. I was wearing, I had my ears pierced. I was wearing like flat brim,

Cincinnati red hats. It was just a phase. It was a phase, mom, I don't know what was going on. I was listening to a lot of like limp biscuit and. Were you selling dime bags to other high school? I know.

I always says that. Like, I was, well, listen, I was a, I was a delivery guy for Borelli. these Italian restaurant at that point driving like a Hyundai Genesis coop that like I saved up for.

I was a dirt bag. I was probably a dirt bag. I mean, I wouldn't touch a drug or alcohol. I was like a nerdy dirt bag. I just wanted to be cool. I wanted to be like my cousins. I had cousins that grew up in like a cool town and they wrote dirt bikes and they were like a little tanner than I am. So like they were just like all cool. You know what I mean? Sure. There was like just something about that. Like they were like a thick long island accent and I was there like trying to be cool. but they ride dirtbacks in the street. Like street legal dirt bikes? They would go out. No, yeah, they would

ride dirt bikes. They'd go up to like find trails and shit. They like ATV and they're like cool guy shit. I don't know why I'm picturing the Reds hat with like a white, white beater on jeans and just breaking up. 87 pounds. What were you shooting in high school in terms of? Yeah, high school? actually was so yeah we played beth page was our home course uh the beth page red and blue we would play all

the time and my average uh i think my first year and freshman so freshman year we didn't have a golf team we all played baseball was the same season as baseball and we all played baseball growing up no one really played golf that often i was probably like me my buddy tom we we we dabbled in golf just because like our dad's played my dad would take me out that was like one of my first stories in foreplay history my dad would like we would sneak out to the eyes and hour golf driving range and we hated hitting off mats so we would just take the balls and then go across the street and hop the fence by the high school and play the par three and we would hit onto a real green and then like sometimes we would leave the balls there was a disaster but like but yeah the thing about eyes and hour they would have two greens for a part three and one of them was always closed for like the whole year so we'd always go to the closed one and it had like overgrown grass like they just didn't maintain it the idea was that and I don't think I've ever seen another golf course do this. That they were when you went at a public course when you approach the part three, you got to choose which point you wanted to play. And they thought that maybe that would speed up play. Right. So like once everyone got to the sixth hole, you and the group ahead of you would

both be able to play the sixth hole. So like it then creates a backup on the next one, but at least you got that hole through with. You know what I'm saying? And then I do. I've never seen that anywhere else. I never heard of that. You get away with that theory and then like one of them just became useless, right? We would always use that green. We would always use that green. anyway I shot like 39 was my average yeah I remember you saying that that's great that's a great good didn't me Tom hot guy Tom he was all county I never was all county hot guy Tom I believe that how good were you guys at chico state Al are you guys good yeah um we were we were really good uh we were one of the top division two programs in the nation for all four years that we were there um my

senior year you know how they do golf stat weekly rankings or whatever and they just they do a ranking for all NCAA teams so not just division one and going into

the national championship for division two we were ranked number one for division two for the entire year and going into the national championship we were ranked 18th or 19th in the country that's including D1 schools.

That was the same year that Oregon won the national championship and they were actually ranked 24th. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Even funnier, we got the invite to play at Stanford's home tournament

and Conrad Ray called our coach and said, hey, we're actually going to have to not have you guys come to our tournament because if you guys come out and beat a lot of our teams that's going to ruin our ranking. And we need those rankings in order to get into the super regional. No way.

So we just missed out on a tournament. What? Yeah. That's insanity. Cowards. Yeah. My senior year, we were a powerhouse. We played 14 tournaments.

We finished second and seven of them and we won seven of them as a team. Jesus Christ. Was that the Palmer Cup year for you too? That was the Palmer Cup year for me. Yep. Doug Gim was on that team. incredible. Isn't there an interesting thing with divisions in

college hockey where like there's not a division two or yeah. Yeah, there's like pretty much just D3. When you said that ally, my first thought was Guy A bear, you know, the old hockey goalie because he didn't play. He was like one of the few very successful NHL players who did not play D1,

college hockey played D3. I think he went to like Hamilton or something like that. Wow. I didn't know that. But yeah, they don't, they might have D2, but it's not, it's hard to explain. It's not like D3 is like right behind Division 1. And then D2 is almost like clubish, it feels like.

I'm not 100%. I'm not 100% sure. I feel it's Canadian like something's wrong there. Yeah, yeah. Like something's wrong. All right, Alistair. Well, congratulations, Torbound. Unbelievable, dude.

You're the man. Thank you. Thank you. You're the man. Great playing. and now you're freed up. Just go win everything these next couple weeks. Yeah.

I'm going to keep the process the same and do my very best and see where it puts me at the end of the week. This has to be pretty cool for our listeners too because we've talked to you for this whole journey on this show. We've had so many check-ins. So like for anyone that's listened to this show for four or five years, however long it's been, my God, you've seen the ups and downs alongside, Alistair.

I mean, we've talked to you after all the big wins, after all the big losses. And it's really cool to now, you know, reach this next step. I think for everyone. So I think that's one of the cool things about what we get to do is we get to find stories like this, right? And like actually see them develop. And now like, my God, now the, who knows, there is no ceiling anymore, man.

Like, this is crazy. You've blown it open. Yeah. We're going to be talking about major winning Alastard Doherty. And a couple of years, it's crazy, man. Like, I think we are. You're on a fucking path right now. That's the,

that's the third circle that's on the calendar. I want to qualify for the masters and do something there. Come on. Yeah, just out. Just like, keep a barstable golf hat in your bag. And then like if there's a,

if it's looking like, it's, it's washed and done. No, you can't. And maybe pull that thing out. Like, what's the price for your,

like, the little, the little thing on your glove. You know, like the little magnet. Just so everybody feels good about this, my yardage book still has the barstool logo on it. Oh, okay.

Let's go. Come on now. Well, we needed. You never forget your roots right there. I love that. And I still have the Del Campo Barstool socks, and I'm wearing them right now. Come on.

It's cool. All right. Come on. We're on the tour, boys. We're back again. We're on the door. So I'll just pull the Frankie when I'm pulling the ball out of the hole, pull my leg, leg sleeve up,

and show off the sock. Dude, when you win the and you make that final pot, if you fucking pull up that pant and I see a barso logo on there, I'll have a heart attack. Struck by lightning in that moment.

Yeah. It gets like a rules violation, loses by his throat. Right at the last thing. No. Oh, man. Awesome stuff, dude. Really great.

Thank you. Congratulations, brother. We will see you. I'll see you soon back in Arizona, but go finish strong, my friend. will be rushed it out there. Folks, a little bit of hole in one talk on this show.

We need a whole on one more than ever. And we've had, what, four events so far this year. And we have not gotten one yet, maybe three of them that we've done. The whole and one events are awesome. The lighting, a build out that our events team does. Well, guess what? The President's Cup in Chicago coming up in a couple of weeks is our final whole one event and the tenth of the year.

And you, you folks, listening, can get in the action. the link will be open this Friday, okay, this Friday at noon Eastern. General admission is going to be $100. You get food. We do really nice hors d'oeuvres, open bar. So there's a bunch of drinks available throughout the day. And then you get 60 seconds. You get one minute with everybody watching.

The lights are bright. Try to make a hole in one. If you make a hole in one, we give you $10,000 cash. You just get $10,000 for us for making a hole in one. This is the event's going to be September 23rd from 5.30 p.m. to 9.30 p.m. There's a live show portion from the T-box going on. We're going to do a cool little live show. And the venue is at Schaumburg Golf Club in Schaumburg, Illinois.

All right? So make sure you're ready to go. There's a link going on. It's barstool.com. We'll send all that link out there. But this Friday, tickets are going to be on sale. It sells out every time. It's a phenomenal time.

Whole-on-one event, the last one of the year, gentlemen. Yeah, is our first year doing it and all of the events we've done. We've done four so far. Is our fifth or? I've done three or three or done three. Yeah, we did Philly. We did Long Island. We did Florida.

Players championship. Yeah, so we've done three. This will be our fourth and final. And they've all, the first three sold out in the blink of an eye. And for a hundred bucks, what you're getting, you're getting a D-DIS gear when you walk in. It's unbelievable. The stuff is like, it's overwhelming. The people that came to the Long Island one where, like, this is an overwhelming amount.

of stuff and I get a chance to win $10,000. The amount of food, the amount of drinks, all of that. It's just a really good night. It's President's Cup week. We're going to blow it out. It's our last one. We need to get a hole in one. We've seen the plans for this hole. We know that it's a very player

friendly, whole and one friendly hole. We're going to try and get this ball to roll right down some sort of slope right into the cup. We want a whole one. So make sure you are available on Friday to pick up these tickets if you're in the Chicago area.

Kiz, I think, is going to be in town with us, which is going to be unbelievable. I can't wait to see him at one of these things. I'm sure he'll step up there and make a whole one and forget about it with one of his 500 that he's made. But I can't wait. Can't wait to see everyone. So make sure you go and click the links and get it and send it to your friends and make sure you all get in.

This Friday, noon, Eastern is when those tickets will be on sale. The actual event is September 23rd in Chicago. That is Wednesday night. The President's Cup starts the next. day so you'll be in golf mode um check out those links get your tickets and we will see you at schaumburg golf club september 23rd reases like you said reases brings you the hole in one segment there's something forever when it comes to reases we love reases this show is very pro reases this reeseses gets everybody excited up the show isn't that right gentlemen it's one of the best things

yeah i mean it's one of the greatest things in the world you know that i know that everybody listen and knows that and it will continue to be true for decades and decades and centuries to come I'm wearing an orange hoodie. I'd just like to rep the colors, the feeling, everything. Can't get away from it in a very good way. Once again, there is something forever when it comes to Reese's. There's apparently not holes in ones for us, but Alistair's got, you know, quite a few,

so we're going to hear all about that. And it's brought to you by Reese's. Rees is the official candy partner of Barstall Sports. Go get Rees wherever you shop. The biggest news right now in the world of golf is this Live Golf bank, bankruptcy. It's a wild word and I struggle saying it sometimes.

The live golf information where part of filing for bankruptcy is that you have to list I believe like your top 30 creditors that you owe money to and so people are really digging into that from John Rom and Dustin Johnson

being owed millions of dollars to Rick Shields who is an extremely nice guy. He and his operation are owed one $1.4 million from Liv. I love Rick Shields. He, after both of the internet invitations that we have done, writes a very sincere note to our entire internet invitational team as a thank you.

And then he sent me, I'm sure he sent everybody else too, like a personal notes the last couple of years, just about, you know, the work we do and how impressed he is with the event and all that. So incredibly nice guy. But his name was getting a lot of attention as somebody who was owed about $1.4 million from Liv Golf. but interesting spot to be in for a lot of folks involved in LiveGold. There's a lot of LiveGolf 1.0 versus LiveGolf 2.0 talk and future investment.

But, you know, peeking under the hood, I guess I would say it's quite interesting, gentlemen. I don't understand bankruptcy. All right? I feel like Steve Carell, Michael Scott saying I declare bankruptcy. I don't understand it. So this is like a good thing for, this is a good business move, right? Yes. Yes.

The way, you know, the way that I understand. when you declare bankruptcy, you essentially are using the mechanisms of the law to sort of get off the hook immediately and in that moment for owing the creditors that you owe. And, you know, you can essentially use the law and bankruptcy in that situation to try to start from scratch with a new plan to save your operation. Now, at some point, they will have to pay out these people the money, right? Or because I saw something about bankruptcy court now. So do they go to court and say exactly where they owed?

Like now there's a arbitrator of some sorts that is going in there and coming to a settlement? I think so. I think that's probably a good part of the way that'll go. I think, too, like I'm not sure how involved the future investor will be, right? It's like this BC partners are listed as the lead investor, which like you have to list that going forward. They're potentially going to make like a $300 million investment. So I would imagine, again, I'm not a damn bankruptcy lawyer. So I don't know.

I'm just kind of firing from the hip and I was reading through some articles and such. But I imagine you would have to in terms of like an arbiter and figuring out where and what money is going to go to paying who and who's not going to get paid. that like the future investor being these BC partners folks would be heavily involved in those decisions and deciding who to pay and who not pay with the future investment. I really am fascinated by how the PIF just sort of skates on that, where it's like they were the ones who signed the whole thing initially and they were the ones who were behind these, you know, ballooned up numbers in terms of what they're going to pay all these different golfers and all these different media outs.

outlets like that to me is then i also read that there that the p if is giving live like this it's called what is it debtor financing assist where they basically give 50 million dollars so that live can still run their operations while this bankruptcy thing is going we are we really aren't bankruptcy lawyers on this show like i don't know the ins and outs of a bankruptcy lawyer on the show right now who is a bankruptcy lawyer in our rolydex oh boy that's something i do you know i'd don't i was thinking about that the other day how i wish i knew i wish i had was like close friends with a lawyer and a doctor someone i could just bounce ideas off no one in my circle no one in my friend grew from back home we all just sort of became what we became and none of those things were

lawyers or doctors but i don't have anybody in my rolodex so i can get on the speed dial right now and be like explain this bankruptcy live thing like i'm five years old you think the internet is a is a pure enough place at all, even if it's 1% purity left, that I can tweet out, are there any bankruptcy lawyers that can hop on foreplay right now that can explain this live thing? And we would get an actual person. Do you think? I think we might get like Bodie McBote faced a little bit with that. You know, we might get somebody, somebody come on here. Yeah, yeah. Somebody's ass. Somebody's asshole is going to be out. I tweeted it. I tweeted it. I want if someone, if someone comes into. here and this Riverside and just all we see is their balloon knot, it was worth it.

We're going to need Ryan Richen to run some interference on that one. It's a, it's a great point about how the PIF is getting off. And from the AI review from looking it up, it says that it's insulating itself from the staggering debts of live golf by allowing the league to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. I don't know if Kiz knows more about this than we do. has to because we don't know anything about it, but it says the strategic maneuver allows the PIF, which owns 100% of Liv's equity to legally sever its ongoing financial obligations while leaving the league's corporate shell to handle over $500 million in liability. So I guess them like allowing

them to utilize bankruptcy protection somehow gets them off the hook, but I don't really. What I think I can say with a little bit of confidence and still not 100% is that it means, that live 1.0 did not go that well. It just didn't go the way that they wanted it to. It certainly didn't go the PIF and Yasser and they wanted it to go because they bailed on it. So now you have to get through all this red tape. And this is just the beginning of all these lawsuits. And you've got all these other rich guys like John Rom and all the golfers who have lawyers who know they're talking about who are going to try to get every dime that they can as they should. Yeah. Because they agreed to that. But it's like as much as they want you to. to think that like bankruptcy, boom, you're clean.

Now start live 2.0. It's going to be way messier than that. And the court, like the legal side of this is really just beginning, I would have to imagine. Yeah. I think that's exactly right. I think the amount that's going to go to lawyers is going to be like equal to the amount of money that's actually paid to people that they owe, which is how these things work. It gets dragged out.

I imagine a lot of the legal minds are pretty excited right now because you get some billable hours coming in hot over the next. several months. I agree with that conclusion, Trent, and I would say LiveGoff 1.0, it's safe to say that it just wasn't a great idea. One staggering number that I saw was somebody tweeted out, or maybe there's a line in an article I read, but I copy paste it and put it right here. After $5 billion in equity funding and $495 million in debt funding, Live is down to $15 million. in cash on hand. So think about that, man. They, they, they had $5 billion in equity funding another almost $500 million in debt funding. So just money to handle the debts that they owed. And they're sitting on $15 million cash.

You're just not, not great. You know, they're down $5.5 billion. None of it's left. There's $15 million left. They owe, quite frankly, I was, I think a lot of, of people were stunned that the numbers weren't bigger that they owed, right? Like they owed John Rom, 7.4 million. That's a pretty serious number, but like not anywhere near the 100 or 200 million people were thinking that they might owe them. And I guess what I saw was

that like this is somehow separate from them listing what they owe for signing bonuses. And this is more like week to week kind of payments that they owe. So it wasn't including those or something of that nature. I got to get more clarification on that because that stunned me. I think that was one of my biggest takeaways. They're like, oh, yeah, they owe Lucas Herbert 1.01 million and they owe, you know, a couple other parties like a little bit over a million dollars. And I was like, I thought they would owe, you know, Dustin Johnson,

$74 million. Right. Like, you know, because some of the numbers we were hearing. So I'm not exactly sure where that's all ironing out because it feels like. they should owe way more to a lot of different people, but not a great situation. I did see too that the LiveGoff 2.0, right, which is supposed to be this, if they get this $300 million investment going forward. Scott O'Neill, the CEO, you know, do have to kind of list out what that would look like

for bankruptcy protection for all that you have to like list a plan and come up with a future investor, which is why they listed the BC partners folks, said LiveGoff, liveGolf 2.0 has about five months to kind of figure out their plan. and like get something done based on the protections that they're able to get through this. And it says he he said, we intend to expand our field to 75 players, introduce a cut and create additional pathways for players to earn their way into LiveGoff, including Monday qualifiers. You know, so. That sounds amazing.

Innovative. Innovative stuff. They're kind of coming up with me. I also read that the like Live 2.0, the new investors that are coming in. and this could be true or it cannot be true. It was just something that I read in all the articles that came out about it, is that the investors, to get that money, it is contingent on them bringing back a certain percentage

of the original Live 1.0 golfers. And the way that they measure that is how much each of those players were individually paid. So basically what that is is you have to get the big names into Live 2.0 for them to then unlock investor money, if I read that correctly. So it's not like you file for, bankruptcy. Live 1.0 is dead. And now it's just champagne and roses. We get our, we get our golf league back and we've got all these big names. You have to get those big names back. I think, or at least some of them for Live 2.0 to even get off the ground. I've got some insight

from a DM from a guy who uses a fake account, but he is a law student, which is very funny that some of our lawyers out there, they're out there just like shit posting on Twitter. But this guy says, I'm a law student who works in bankruptcy world. Long story short, Live has more liabilities than they have assets. So they are declaring bankruptcy in order to restructure everything. Basically, now all the creditors get in line to get paid back.

With those secured creditors getting priority and getting paid first, it seems as though the players are unsecured. So they might actually be getting screwed here and won't get paid out at all. Okay. Wow. That would be, yeah. So now there'll be a fight. about like what's secure and what's not.

All right. So see, my little call to action to Twitter gave us something, but didn't really give us exactly what we need. I wanted to hear from someone. I guess more than nothing. Picture of his balls or anything.

Nothing like that. That's huge. That's good. That's good. Okay. Yeah, I like this Scott O'Neill guy, I'll tell you what,

he's giving up, he's putting up more of a fight than I thought. Like they're really, they're live 2.0, which, I mean, the first name, live was,

54 holes, Roman numeral, and then they moved to 72, and now we're out. And then we got Live 2.0, which rolls off the tongue like a spike. It's horrible. But he's going to keep it going. And there's all this talk about team golf again, which was the big conversation when Liv, 1.0 started something about player equity and owning. I don't know. They're really going to give it a try, I think, if they can even get out of the courts.

But to me, from the outsider looking in, and we've been talking about this for years now, it never really came across our desk in a way where it's like this has staying power. They want to go all over the world. They want to play on different continents. That seems to be a big part of their plan. I don't know, man. It's going to be a lot of work for something that I just don't think is going to be that well received. I agree.

And, you know, I was trying to comb through a lot of this and think if you are a live golfer like your John Rom or your Dustin Johnson or your Bryson de Chambo, do you feel better today than you did yesterday or a couple days ago about where you're at? And Roy McElroy, he chimed in, not necessarily the biggest live golf supporter, I would say over the years. And he chimed in and said, I'm not trying to predict the future, but I would predict that you will see some guys leave as they are free to now. I guess contracts have been breached by them filing for bankruptcy, which is a good point because we heard John Rom really sounded like he was being held hostage by his contract. for a lot of the year every time it was brought up or he was like, I'm just going to let you guys know, I'm not an agent, I'm not a lawyer, I didn't do any of this,

but from what I'm being told, I can't do anything. I signed a contract to be with Live Golf, so my ass is just with Live Golf. So whatever happens to Live Golf, I'm with the ship, and it is what it is. Rory made the point of like, well, now that they're not paying, they owe X amount of money and they filed for bankruptcy, that would suggest that they have breached the contract, which then you can really start to get into like,

he said, she said, you sue, we sue, like you guys broke the contract, so why could you do anything or penalize me? If you claim that I broke the contract, you broke the contracts, they'd get into that. And then Rory also continued and said, I think that means after tours, other tours are going to have decisions to make.

Obviously, there's a lot of players on live that can strengthen golf tournaments and make them more competitive. So I would see that as a good thing for the DP World Tour. Overall, I think the way things are working out, it is a very good thing for the golf ecosystem. So I thought that was a very telling comment from Rory, that his takeaway from all of this is that it's a very good thing for the golf ecosystem.

And I, you know, we've already seen quite frankly a little bit of this, right? We've seen Patrick Reed throughout this year, go play on the DP World Tour, win a couple times and he's like earning his way back to the PGA tour. We're seeing it this week with several guys playing in the Irish Open. And so I do think that's good. it when you kind of see these different names that have largely been just pretty much hold up on live golf which doesn't get a ton of eyeballs now out in the golf world deepy world tour whatever i think that is probably a good thing overall yeah i agree with that i'm deep in the world

of talking about bankruptcy lawyers right now it's fucking awesome i love i love this this is where the internet's good man we get to reach people that 200 years ago you'd never be able to reach i got a guy saying that Dad's like the number one bankruptcy lawyer and he's calling him right now to see how busy he is so he could explain this thing to us. I just think that'd be so interesting to talk to a guy's dad while we're live talking about this in a podcast. I love the internet. I really do. I think I despise it at times when it makes me want to like, you know, throw my phone into an ocean. But there are times like right now where you can reach like the corners of the earth with just a little, a little movement of the thumbs. It is cool. I very much regret. I think that's awesome. We had,

Speaking of which, we had like, I remember some of the fun interviews that we've done, we had the pilot from Alaska Airlines on. And he was just in a Mario costume playing in the Barstool Classic last week in Georgia. And great to see him out there. He was like, I hadn't remembered the details. But we, of course, were like, oh, yeah, we loved having ya. It was great. And he was like, yeah, you know, it was great.

Frankie just like called me fat the whole time. I did. Well, that wasn't honest. That's a good. question to ask. Well, because I didn't know what he was talking about. I had forgotten about. I remember we had him on and he was great and it was good to see him. He's a really nice guy. And then he's like, yeah, Frankie called me fat. And I was like, how did he go about doing that? Because I don't think he would just be like, you're fat. And he's like, well, Frankie asked me how I fit in the cockpit. dude he was a larger fella he was a larger fella so i i essentially wanted to get down to the nitty gritty on like are there rules for just like how big you can be to be a pilot i mean have you watch those guys get into their seats it's insane they take one big step through and over to get

in you're not flying transatlantic flights you know if you're you got to be able to fit comfortably in there that's you know astronauts have to be like the most fit people in the world to be able to do what they do. I don't know. Maybe pilots have to do also. Yeah. He answered it. He goes, I am not too fat. Yeah, he and his partner were Mario and Luigi, and they were great vibes, great hang.

It was nice seem. He's upgraded now. By the way, he's at Delta, Frank. He's flying for Delta. Oh, good. So now we got a guy who shows up to Barstu classics wearing Mario, Super Mario outfits. Might be a little bit on the larger side. He's flying us all around the country. That's great. Hammer and Sun Cruisers just flying United maybe

We've got a link sent out to a bankruptcy law If he joins he joins We could always put it in when we talked about it before I think it'd be interesting to talk to a guy for a quick second But so we can carry on with the rest I just want to keep that on your guys radar I like it I think that's a great plan if he hops in

We can just pivot to him We'll figure that out Because I do want to get to a few other things in the golf world and then I want to talk a little surviving barstool. I was kind of watching it and watching some of the reaction to it. But I would like to start with Pioneer's number 11. So Pioneers announced today. I think a bunch of people saw it on social that March 29th,

2007. Pioneers will be opening their 11th golf course. It's just an outrageous number, by the way. I think I've gotten used to it as a guy that spends a lot of time there, on my home there. We were just there this last week. We were filming. We were hanging and played the cradle yesterday.

By the way, B. Jones and Kyle Timms were striping the ball out of the cradle, which was really, really nice to see. We had a great match out there. Poor Jared just gets screwed every time because there's just not that many lefty clubs. And, you know, Frankie's been through that his whole life. But it's like, I got a million extra wedges. I just don't have a million extra lefty wedges. So the only thing I had was a 60-degree wedge that was left-handed. So no matter what the yardage was, poor Jared just had to use a 60-degree wets at all the time.

So he was like, you would fly. these balls, it just come up like 44 yards short. Be like, well, yeah, it's 60 degree wet, so I felt for them. But point being, Pinehurst is awesome. Love Piner's. You sort of like lose sight of the fact that you're just, I'm used to calling it Piner's number 10 now, has been open for a couple of years.

Piner's number nine just reopened with all kinds of cool branding because it's Jack Nicholas course. They've got like golden T's and flags and they did the whole thing. You just forget what kind of numbers we're talking about here. Like, I have a golf. If a golf place that you arrive at for the first time, they're like, oh, they have three golf. courses here. You're like, holy fuck, that's a lot of golf course. That's three golf course.

They have 11 now. All right. So that begs my question now. So I'm in charge of setting up my buddy's golf trip now, right? I've taken ownership of that. We've gone to Big Cedar Lodge. We've gone to Farisans and going to stream song for some reason. And I love Pinehurst. I love going to your house. I love Pashley. I love the Carolina Hotel. I love the little bars. I love the Italian spot. Lecy. Yes, yes. We went there last night. I love everything.

I love everything. Where do you like bias aside rank Pinehurst as a buddy's golf trip destination to me? And I'm just going to say what I'm going to say. And then you're going to say what you're going to say. It's almost too much. There's 11 golf courses. There's no like home base aside from the Carolina hotel and like Pinehurst number two area, which Pinehurst number two is like outrageously expensive and like a, it's just like a,

it's a grind of a golf course. And you have the cradle there. but like you know what I'm saying? Where's your, where are your thoughts as being a resident on Pinesh number two for just like the general playing world when they're booking trips? I completely understand that like it's so much that it's overwhelming type thing. And I think you guys would probably agree.

I don't know, maybe we get different. But the number one DM I get from people is, hey, I'm going to this place. What courses should we play? And it's either about Piner's or, or, or Scottsdale or honestly somewhere else. It could be like any town that they think we've been to

is the number one thing. I'm like, hey, hey man, me and my buddies or me and my best friend and both of our dads, we're going to Scottsdale for four days. Where should we play? We have this amount of money. You know, whatever. So it's the number one thing that I get. So I get that like when you're the guy that's the architect of a trip, which like Frankie, you are and yours,

you look at Pioneers. You almost don't even know where to start. Like their website has like just the courses tab on their website. now has 12 courses because you've got the cradle and all that on there. What do you mean? So I do completely understand that. I would say the thing that makes, in my opinion, I would say Piners is for me, like when I get, when I get like butterflies about how excited I am for a trip, Bandon is number one and

Pioneer is number two for me. I think like Big Cedar Lodge is probably number three. I really think like Big Cedar is that good. Bandon, I just think the golf is unbeatable, purely the golf. I don't think Bandon has the, we call it like the center of the heat map that Pynerst has. When you turn that corner with your golf bag and you're either going to play the cradle or put around on the thistle do or go have a drink on the back porch of the deuce right by Piner's number two, there is nowhere on earth that has as much action going on related to the golf is that area and campus.

pioneers. There's people putting with beers in their hands. There's dozens of group playing the cradle. They're walking barefoot with three clubs. There's people playing the championship US open course 50 yards away with a Stuart statue. And then right next to that, there's also five other golf courses. Pioneers number four, piner's number one. There's piner's number three and five are right there. So you're just like, oh my God, there's golf everywhere. You like can't help but be like, somebody put a golf club in my hands and give me a golf ball. And I want to make a $5 bet against somebody and do it all night. Like you just,

you cannot help it. And it's got the history. I think the village is so cool. And like one of my favorite lines that, you know, someone from Pioneer, I want out of my here always says, he'll be like,

what did Ben Hogan say about Bandon Dunes again? Because Bannon didn't exist. Like they don't have the real history. And that's one of the main things that Pioneers has. Having said that, like I love Piner's number two. I bought the first home I ever bought on the damn golf course. I love it.

It's a kick in the dick, man, Like you just, you're walking. It's hot for a lot of the year and you usually shoot a million. And you shoot a million in a very frustrating way. You don't lose a golf ball. You're chipping it across the green. You hit a pretty good iron shot.

It catches the edge and rolls off the green. And you're just like, what do I got to do to hit a good golf shot out here? What do I have to do? It's like very frustrating. So I think it has so much variety now, which is cool. I think number 10 is very playable. I'm hearing number 11. It is core Crenshaw, which they, you know, are kind of the,

the band and they have you know they've got the band and the stream song and and the big cedar like they're now adding one a corkron shawl golf course to piner's which they've never had they did redo piner's number two if folks go look like piner's number two used to be pure parkland long rough that's like when pain stewart won it they got they changed all that went back to the wiregrass and the natural sandy areas so like it's got that aesthetic but it is hard there's no doubt about it um the golf at bannon is just so extraordinary that it's almost impossible to compete with, man. Like half the holes on the whole property are like 100 feet up on the cliff side. And like waves are crashing into the rocks like you're at Pebble Beach.

And like, but they're made for us, right? They're like made for us to play golf. When you go play at Bandin like, I don't know, 14 of the 18 holes, you can hit the ball anywhere off the tea and be completely fine. And I think that is so fun. It's wind-based. The views are insane. You pull your phone out like a million times to take pictures.

It just like gives you the chills. It's also a part of it is like it's so much harder to get to than Pinehurst that it almost feels more special when you're there because of like, you know, you feel like you actually like accomplish something and defeated enemies to get there. And you're like, oh my God, I made it to Oregon. This better be awesome. I better enjoy it. I'm enjoying it. Whereas, like, Pynters, one of the perks, I think, is that it's damnly very accessible from the Northeast. Like, they still have the old school signs in the Carolina when you walk around from like overnight trip to get to Piner's.

You could like take a train and get from New York to Piner's while you're sleeping overnight. Like it's accessible. It's easy to get there from Raleigh or Charlotte. It's a benefit. But like, man, it really, when you get to Oregon, it looks like you're in Ireland or Scotland. It's like another planet. And the golf is just so insane. All five of those golf courses are absolutely insane.

And Pioneers has probably four of them now that are like on that level, I would say. Piner's number two, piner's number four, piner's number eight and piner's number 10 are like elite, elite level courses. And it's not that the other ones aren't great, but like they're a little bit more for, I would say like the local community, the members, right? Like Piner's has a ton of members that are there. A lot of like retirement community for piner's number one and three and five. are a little bit more in that world.

But I mean, hell, I understand number six hosted like the inaugural adaptive opens and they host big tournaments there. So there's a lot of variety, but it could be overwhelming. I just think the history, how good the golf is as a whole and that heat map of like, in the logo and the name, to be honest with you, a huge part of it. Like that butter boy logo is so good. And the name of Pinehurst is like, I said this to Tom Pashy once, But like, you guys ever seen the movie, the founder with, with at the very about McDonald's?

Yeah. And yeah. And at the very end in that bathroom scene when they're in there together and he's with like the original McDonald like brother. And he's like, you know, you guys always thought it was about this or this, but you never got it right. He's like, okay, what do you mean? And he's like, it was always about the name. He's like that name McDonald's. He just can't beat it.

It's so comfortable and homie and just makes you feel like this is where I want to get my burger made is McDonald's. I've said that to passion about like, dude, one of your greatest advantages is that name Pinehurst is like, you almost can't say it without sounding important and like meaningful in the world of golf. Pinehurst. It's just like it has that name that's just different. So all that combination, I think is what makes Piner's different, whereas like Bannon's able to get away with just here's the golf and it's fucking insane how good it is.

And like when we went to Ireland, dude, like we drove all the way around on a bus for for seven days straight. It's like it's a little bit hard to get from course to course. They have like five of them at Bandon that are a two minute shuttle right away from each other. And that's just really hard to beat. So that's sort of my, if I had to go top three as a guy that's been very fortunate to travel to a lot of these places, that's sort of that's where I rank them, I guess. Yeah, the cradle. Yeah, that whole area is incredible. I guess like the other place, every place has its own, I guess, thing that you go for.

And Pioneer is the one where you, you're okay with like the center of. the fun being with everyone else, which is a good vibe, right? Like you're out there on the cradle. You're out there at the deuce. You're hanging out around the Carolina hotels, opposed to like a lot of these other ones. You're kind of like in your own world. You're at like a cabin.

You're in your backyard. You have a fire pit. Pioneers doesn't give me that. Like maybe you are rent. I'm not sure like what the stay and play packages all are. But I'm sure you're mainly in hotels or maybe you can get a cottage here and there. But it is like you have to know what you're getting into and what kind of what your group is looking for.

Once you've, like, accepted the fact that we're basically going to go all night long, not the house, not in the back air. We're going all night long with golf and we're out there and we're playing part three and we're drinking amongst all the people. We're going to meet other people from other states and other countries. That's like, yeah, like when we go to when we go to Pioneers, it really is like a meeting place of the world for golf. Yeah.

Everyone out there on that putting green, everyone out there at the cradle. It really is. It's like a united nations of golf. People are just, they want to be there. It's the center of golf in the U.S. So yeah, it's a good answer. I mean, it's, it's funny. I like don't, maybe just because we've been there for so long,

I never think of it as that, but it's, you, you, you starts to say Pioneer's number 11, it's like, my God, how could there be a better resort than a place that has 11 golf forces? And it's funny, right? Like I, um, you know, I would say like my buddies trip, the struggle, which I've talked about,

we got 12 of us total. And like my other 11 buddies, I would say almost all of them preferred, Pinehurst when we go, then Bandon. That's amazing. Number one. And like, we went there a month ago for the first time for about half our group and like the second or third or fourth time for a lot of the other group

just because I have the place there and we're able to go do little trips here and there. But like, we had to pivot from Gamble Sands, which I'm reping the hat because we have an Alistair on and it's Pacific Northwest thing. I wanted to show why I'm wearing a red hat. I don't wear red hats that often. But like we had to pivot from Gamble to

go to Pinehurst this year just because the gamble trip was scheduled for what we ended up doing the internet invitational. So, you know, I was like, hey, it's really easy for us to do last minute pineress. We're just going to do piner's this year. And guys were like, I, that's the best news I've ever heard mine. I'm like, we're just going to go do it because it's easy. So like, guys were like in tears talking about like, dude, I can't explain to you. I can't believe I'm going to go to piner's.

I never thought I would get to go to piner's in my whole life. We have such a history there that it kind of like wears off on us a little bit of like. Yeah. Yeah. And look, I just left there this morning. And like for me, when I get there, it is like, you know, I fly to rally. I drive the hour in 10 minutes. And then like when I pull down Midland Road and roll into like Piner's, I'm just like,

oh, wow, I forgot that this is the best place in the world. Like when you're there. It's just and, and, you know, like Ryan Richardson and I, we did a little tour of Piner's a couple weeks ago when he was down there for the first time. And like even him just like getting a cart right around. He was like, I'm a golf nut. This is the coolest thing I've ever seen. You know, we're like going out and looking at the Bryson plaque on 18.

and yeah the whole the whole thing people want to go into the pro shop and buy something because the logo's so iconic so like we probably are a little numb to it and yeah I guess I would almost say like I tie Pynerson Bandon is number one whereas I think Piner's has more everything with the history and with all the options and Bandon's golf is just unbeatable like it is unbeatable and I have a huge credit to Big Cedar dude

every time we leave that place Frankie I feel like we're like dude this place is underrated somehow it's like It's awesome how good big Cedar is. It's insane. It's outrageous. It really is. They're all amazing. I mean,

I can't believe more getting built as we speak. Like I know the, is it the banding guys? The Sand Valley guys are doing that rodeo dunes, right? Yep. Rodeo dunes, which I just saw a bunch of pictures

coming out from there. That looks insane. There's another spot like wild spring dunes or something in Texas. I think that's maybe associated with them. Roeo deunes is such a good name. It is really good. It's a little horse. A little like a cowboy they got on there.

Have you seen the logo? Yeah. Really good. Incredible. It's actually like I'm amazed that we brought this so much. I put on my list that I got the email today from Band and Dunes. It said the Bandan Dunes lottery for 2028 bookings is now open. And then in their note, it said, in fact, 51,811 Bandonistas entered our 2027 reservation drawings,

a number that makes us so overwhelmingly grateful. so they're expecting a lot going into this year. How many people do you think end up playing in a year? God, how many is that? That's a good question. Well, they're not playing year round, are they? Yeah, they're a year round. Wow.

Yep. Dude, a lot of people book a band and trip in like December and go and like, I mean, think about it. When we go, when we went in like August or whatever we went, we had really good weather, but it's still like 55 degrees. Yeah. So it's, you know. It doesn't get to like 30 and it's just like always around the same.

I think it's always around. I think it's like a little colder and like more unpredictable with the weather. But like it doesn't get down to like the 30s. I don't think. I think it's hovers between like 45 and 60 all the time. Amazing. But yeah, they got the lot. They've got a lottery just to book a trip to that place.

That's that's also dude. That's like 52,000 people that are the Frankie of their trip that are submitting. Right. So like that's. that's 51,000 times like eight people is how many people probably average going on abandoned trips. You're just looking at, yeah, it's outrageous how many people do. I don't even know how to do the math. Like they have five courses.

How many people do you think play a course a day? A couple hundred maybe. Yeah. I was looking at the weather by month up in abandoned Oregon. It really doesn't get below like 55. Like in terms of each month on average. So yeah, you can play there as much as you want year-round. A busy 18-hole golf course typically accommodates between 200 and 300 players per day.

So let's call it 250 times 5. That's 1,200 times 365. Right there. No way. How is that possible? Hold on now. Oh. $400.000.

$456,000 players a year? I can see that. Well, yeah, yeah, because if you're, I hope that's right. Because like Riggs said, if you're doing, if times that number that applied by eight, and you got a big number. If I'm doing that right.

Right. Like $51,000 times eight. That's $400,000. There you go. Right. That's like every single person's on there, has a trip coming. Yeah.

Right. There's only one person looking to get in the lottery for maybe 16, guys right dude so if you did that if you did that number and you had you said it averages out to three hundred dollars per round per player that would be a hundred thirty six million dollars a year in revenue just on the greens fees ta ha ha ha they haven't even put logic and we're out here pushing thirty two dollars shirts sometimes you know what i mean like and we should have built a golf resort we had we're in the golf media we're in the golf media we're In golf, we've been in golf.

Could have built a ban in dunes. Let's go build a band and dude. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's a lot of money to build golf courses, I would imagine. Shit done. A shit ton. A shit time. He's doing it again. I got to be honest, I would love to know the history of all these resorts.

Like, right now it's like the golden era of golf resorts, but I would assume it was quite the risk to go out and build a golf resort in the middle of band in Oregon and hope that people were going to come out there and make it a deseralsalsals. and make it a destination. Dude, it's a great story. Like, there are some good videos and documentaries and maybe even, like, books about it that I've watched and they talk about, like, Mike Kaiser and their expectations when they built the first course and opened the first course is like, they, some, some quote along the lines of like,

I'm hoping we can do, you know, a million dollars a year in revenue within the first five years or something. And by year five, they were doing like $60 million dollars in revenue. And they legit were just like, We don't think anybody's going to come play this. It's just going to be a really cool course that we're going to build and we want to make it. And now it's Ban of Dunes. I mean, it's like the, it's the peak.

I mean, I don't know how you beat it. I guess I know how you beat it. Build 11 golf courses at Piner's. Right. It's like, we're just going to keep throwing more numbers at you. But you're just going to build so many courses you can't help it. Frankie Boy is going to be going to Pioneer's number 34. I have taken a golf cart tour of Pioneer's number 11.

before it was grass this past summer with Mr. Pashley and it's sick. It looks insane. It's like Pine Valley really. I know. I know.

It's really, I haven't seen it since they laid the grass down. I think I'm going to get to do maybe a little preview play this fall. I'm extremely excited about that. But yeah, March 29th, that bad boy is,

is opening up. We got the Solheim Cup this weekend. So get excited for that. The USA has, We won in 2024. Trent and I were there. Frankie, that was one of Frankie's

great regrets because we got to meet and chat with President Obama for a little bit, which is just checking off presidents off your list is a nice thing to do. But we were there in Virginia, the United States won that. We stood right behind Nellie Corda. We were with, I think, fake George Washington and his wife

watching Nellie Corda. I went absolute dart with like a three wood. The U.S. won that one, but we lost the three Solheim Cups prior, the United States is 11 and 8 all time. But again, we've only won one of the last four. It's in the Netherlands this year, this weekend, which is supposed to be really cool.

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the winner is. So I was like, okay, I think I could spoil it on my Instagram as well. I'm a few episodes behind, but I mean, I've seen. I know who wins. I've been following some of the drama surrounding it. But I'm behind. But I've heard it's been a pretty damn good season. And it got very interesting towards the end. Yeah, I think some people were saying it was a little boring going towards the end. And I think the last couple episodes definitely delivered. boring in the sense that it was, I guess, somewhat predictable because of all the alliances and all the groupings. Yeah.

Just knew there were guys who weren't going to get certain guys out, like the Glennie, Dana, Marty. There was packs that were made. And that is just the game. And also, I've seen a lot of people make, and even Tommy smokes made a pretty good point about like, this is surviving Barstool, not Survivor. And if you're going to continuously do just Barstool employees, who have had friendships and relationships for the last 10 years,

you're going to find different things than you would in a regular season of Survivor, where it's all just different people showing up to an island for the first time and you really don't care about fucking over someone. Sure, you're going to build relationships on the island as the season goes on. But like a Roan and Tommy Smoke's relationship has built since the first day they started working together. It's not just them entering this office. So that one I found interesting. And then the other one that I kind of just disagree with Tommy on, well, not disagree with

Tommy on. He valued the friendship more than the money. And I think this is really fucking him up. I've watched a lot of these interviews where he said, like, he just can't believe that they ended up kind of screwing him over. And then I also just see it from our own standpoint where he has two twin baby boys and a wife and a family. And he's like, I'm going to try and win this $250,000, no matter which way, because it is a game

of ruthlessness and cutthroatness and we're all just trying to win. It's literally the only reason we're doing is to try and win. So for Tommy to like kind of let his guard down in that situation, he valued the fact that like Rome would have been mad at him if he did it to him. So he didn't, you know what I mean? Like that stuff started to bleed in a little bit too much into the game. And I just respect Rowan for sticking to his guns and being like, I'm just going to win because like this secures a lot of things for my family.

And I'm very happy I did. Well, that's also with the people who like don't like the alliances going into it. you got to then like the stuff that you're getting now with the friendship stuff with Tommy and Roan, you're not going to get that on a regular season of just like Survivor. I wouldn't think. I don't follow it. But these guys are friends and there are a lot of people who are friends who are on surviving Barstool. So then when you get to the end and somebody does stab somebody in the back, the bad blood is incredibly real.

And like the stuff that they have to see each other every day in the office. And, you know, Roan and Tommy, they do shows together. They, they're in each other's orbit all the time and you get this drama now that the show is finishing up where it's like, yeah, our friendship. I've seen Roan or Tommy say like our friendship's just not the same as it used to be, which is incredible drama that you're really not going to get anywhere else. It has to be just way harder than it appears as a viewer in in those moments for those three or four days of playing the game because, you know, I just. This happens every time. This is season five now. This happens every time with the box where people,

I can never fathom holding it personally against someone if they make a play in the game. I just can't fathom that. It's the game. We're all playing the game. If you've agreed to play the game, then everyone here is going to do what they think they need to do to win the game.

I would almost view it like if if Frankie and I were playing NHL against each other. And Frankie like cheap shot or what am I, one of my cheap shot of one of my players, I wouldn't be like mad personally at Frankie forever. I'd be like, he was playing the game. He tried to win the game. So I, it has to be a million times harder in,

in that situation than I think it is because I just don't get why people don't shake the hands after they're knocked out. Be like, touche, well played. You played the game better than I did. You're still my friend. We're a great friend. I just, I can't grasp that. There's something to reality TV that morphs your reality.

Because when I would watch shows like The Bachelor, or The Bachelorette, and you're like, these people have known each other for 11 days. How are they this madly in love? Or how are they this mad at this person? I think when you're in such an intense environment, it just shifts everything. Because I largely agree with you, Riggs,

where I'm like, I know, I feel like I could just shake the hand of someone who stabbed me in the back, but I'm not in this situation. So it must be way, way harder than it has to be. We're also, we're glossing over the fact that the stabbing of the back is a moment where you also, like you're trying to win the money and you are, you are being led astray in that moment where they're like,

you're good, you, like, this is how you're going to get through. And you just give them all of your confidence. They give them all of your loyalty within the game. Like, we all know we're playing the game. And like, and you're telling me in a closed room, this is how to do it. And then you go out there and they fuck you over. You can definitely take that personally. Yeah. Maybe it wears off afterwards, but you're like, I wanted to win the money too.

Like, why did you use me as a puppet? I would have. Yes, that is the game also. So you should be able to see like through that and everything. But it's just also like, yeah, I see both sides. And it's, it's a little embarrassing where you're, you know, there are cameras there and they're like, trust me, this is how it's going to go. And you're like, great. That's going to be amazing. We're friends. Let's get through the next round or whatever. And then they just embarrassed. I mean, these, these videos do. tons and tons of views. So you're just like, well, a guy that I really like just made me look like a fool and that sucks

ass. Yeah, Tommy made a great point. I was listening to him. Him and Rhone were on out and about and I believe is where they were and I was listening to it today. And Tommy made the point where he's like, I, he's like, I think what really rattled me was that I thought

when I got eliminated, it wasn't just that they stabbed me in the back, but that they like chose other friends above me. Like they, like the other people that they kept were their friends that I thought I was in that position and they all

chose each other as friends. And I was the only one on the outside. And I was like, yeah, in that spot where like, that hit home for me where I was like, that I could see where it's like he, for him and his position, it was like it was Marty and Dana

and Glennie and like he's part of that crew. There's like a Yankees crew they do streams together they're all buddies and they all were like we're gonna still be buddies and win this 250k in that guy's gonna we're gonna kick him off and lie to him that i i could understand great show i mean this is all the show so it's like they're doing a great job jeff de lo does a great job hosting yeah um the after show was great kirk minneham was we had a lot of uh he was doing a lot of the post shows it was it was a good season i think that it really it it came down it was it was it It had, yeah, there was, there was a, there was a lull in the, in the middle where you're just like, I know what's going to happen.

Yeah. And then all the, uh, all the idols and Brandon Walker getting kicked out and like everyone else had an idol. I don't watch enough survivor to know like how outrageous that is, but it does seem pretty outrageous that like everyone that went there to the end had one except for him. So it's like, why are we even playing the game? Oh, dude. And then a amount once they found him. Brandon Walker's crash out was iconic. It made me such a big fan of him.

He was just like, he was spot on. He was just chirping all the producers. He was like, great game, Rob. He's like, chirping Rob. It was so. He did a thing that's not easy to do is he said what we were all, what everyone that watched it had this had the complaint and we all were saying, you shouldn't have as many idols.

He said that in real time when he saw it go down. So like Dave's gripe with what happened and everyone's gripe with what happened. We all wanted to scream at the TV and he did scream. within the TV. That was really cool. You don't typically see that. Oh, it's incredible foresight. Yeah. You never see that ever. He's like, why does everyone have one? This is a stupid game. We're all like, yeah, it is. Um, speaking of games and stupid games, I have a gripe with our own Ryan Richson. Oh, no. I'm bringing to the table. Let's hear. I got a DM from a guy named Alex, who says you have to call out Kiz and Ryan Richardson in, uh, in regards to closest to the

pin and hear me out why okay i'm tied with these guys right at the top maybe now i've taken the lead based off the last episode but Alex has brought to my attention that every time because they are a duo that they are answering every single time do you understand what i'm saying so when we bring the questions we don't get to answer but when kis brings the question ryan Richardson answers. When Ryan Richardson brings the questions, Kiz answers. That's an, so they're getting they're getting points every single time. But don't we order, we answer even when we bring the questions, because they're not knowable. I don't answer when I bring the questions, but everyone else answers when they bring the questions. Yeah. Because the questions aren't answerable in the moment. So everybody

When I bring the questions, I write the answers in. Absolutely. Well, then that's a dumb, that's, I take it all back. No, but here is the point that probably would be is that the way that they do it as a tandem, they never miss. Like there's definitely been sometimes, I'm sure we've played close to the pin and one of us is not on the show that day. Somebody's traveling.

Yeah, but that's, yeah, I see that that, but I just had it wrong. I had it wrong. Yeah. I apologize to Kevin Kisner and Ryan Richardson and I actually and I blame Alex for getting me going in that DM, I took a screenshot and I was going to come to it. And every time I do something like that, I always lose. So,

I thought you were going to say I had the math wrong and I was going to be like honestly probably man like I'm not a math guy like when you said that that's where my head went I was like I definitely fucked up the math but okay you're like definitely dude definitely I apologize it's okay all right it's a quick apology there nice it's good it's good no offense taken you know unlike survivor I thought I had you no yeah I was ready I played a hundred times and I still couldn't even think of it right right that's scary to be honest i was ready i was ready to be on board with it i was ready to like get my the pitch forks out sit up you're ready i was like let's do it let's do from the gallery you guys want do a little from the gallery here from the folks i uh i would like to speak in a segments too from the gallery brought to you by sport clips classic rookie mistake is not going to sport clips air cuts guys come in looking like they've been sacked by a 250 pound linebacker but walk out looking like a first round it. Sport clips, stylists have the playbook for a clean

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Check in online today. Let's hear from the folks from the gallery. Hey, y'all. This is James from Georgia. Quick question for you. What is y'all's opinion when it comes to logo farming? So, you know, what's the ruling on you play a really cool course, you play it once, and you just get so much stuff from the pro shop that you just can't stop wearing it.

And that when it comes to super limited logos, like you play a top 10 course and your buddy gets you a shirt from there, are you allowed to wear it? Are you allowed to wear it because you didn't play it? Just would love to get your opinion on the logo farm. Thank you. I had that little situation where I brought, I bought shirts from destinations and brought them back to my father-in-law, Don, and he wouldn't wear them because he had never been there.

Yeah. But for the first part of the question, I don't think there's any limit to how much you should or can get in a pro shop, especially when you go to a destination golf course or top 10. I think actually those are the moments you should spend all of your hard-earned. money. I'll just say, I've been wearing this clean Shinnik hat for a couple months since we played there. And it's just, it's relevant right now. I'm just obsessed with this hat right now. Now, I'll say I've been having a little bit of, I've had an evolution through this. Sometimes I go nuts with it.

Sometimes I calm down a little bit. I'm largely, I think, in a one logo phase, I'll, I'll try to max out at one logo on any outfit. So like, if I'm wearing a, this cool Shinnacock hat, I will have a non-golf course logo in that. You know what I'm saying? You can't go to two different clubs. No. Right.

Can't be like a Shinnecock had a wing foot shirt. There's a phase where I did. No doubt about it. I think I was going to. I had a pair of shorts. I had a belt. I had a fucking polo. I had a hat.

I was like all kinds of logos all over the place. I think I was doing a little bit of a bit just to piss people off for some stretches. But there was definitely a time where I would wear like, I don't know, like when we first did, when we first started the podcast, especially us Trent, and we were living in New York. And I remember this string of invites that I got for people to listen

where it's like, I get to go to Wingfoot for the first time. I get to go to Liberty National for the first time. And I'd never been to any places like that. And so you might catch me rocking like a Bayonne t-shirt, shout to Francis, and like a sleepy hollow hat on the same day. I've kind of, I've dialed that back. Like I said, I'm on a single logo spot. obviously Adidas is different than like a golf club.

So all our stuff pretty much has Adidas on it. But that's largely been my rule as of late is just one singular golf course logo. And the rest I go pretty like neutral. In terms of buying stuff for people, if they don't ask you to and they have not played there, I wouldn't do it. That's a risk you don't want to take. Because yeah, it's very similar to the Frankie situation. Like I, like I've never bought my dad in Augusta National like a Masters. anything because I would rather him experience.

And I think I'd feel weird giving it to him if he hadn't played there. Now if your buddy or not played there, been there. But if they ask you to get him something, then get him something. Then I think it's fine. Then it's up to them. Then it's their burden when they're out wearing whatever logo it is. And someone's like, I love that place. And then they got to be like, I never been there.

I'd never played there. But I like the shirt, which is kind of weird. Yeah, I think there's certain places you got to go experience. I mean, I did buy my dad and my father-in-law master stuff. and then luckily I was able to bring them this year and they got to wear it there, which was a, like that was special for them. Like they're home.

They're in New York. They're packing up their luggage. They have their masters, you know, stuff already. And that was, that's a cool thing. But like not everyone is able to,

you know, get to every single masters. And we definitely have a very lucky viewpoint on these things and experiences. So, um, I would say that, yeah, I mean,

you definitely got to ask. And if people ask you and you're lucky enough to go to go to these places, then yeah, load up, man. Load up on as much as you possibly can. Dude, my new thing now is T-shirts. I love getting T-shirts at these places. There's always these great T-shirts. They're very minimalistic.

And I, you know, maybe it's because also we wear Farsal Golf and Adidas stuff when we play golf all the time, like literally every single time we play golf. So when I'm out, when I want to rock a, rep a brand or rep a golf course, I like to wear a T-shirt, whether it be to dinner or just like, whatever walking around the town like that to me is my coolest thing like it's hats and t-shirts with those logos on them that's my number one now i do like when people get a little crazy like i think

uh was it barbooty who bought the carpet from shinicoc or the rug the rug the rug banger the thing's a bangor from shin a cock you've seen that one that i've posted on my instagram before it's a bangar of a pillow man it's awesome it's got like the clubhouse on it oh sick and speaking of good logos too. This is the Scarecrow course at Gamble Sands. I kind of mentioned it earlier, but really good. Great logo. Scarcro holding a windy flag. Yeah, they nailed that logo. So some places nail it. That's a big part of it too. You go to a place

you even if it's not as elite as other places you've gone to, but they got a great logo. Go into that pro shop, man. Get that logo all over yourself. I got no issues with that. Speaking of our booty, making another Long Island trip, I think this October, I got to get them last year. I had that whole debacle where I tried to set up the best Long Island Golf Day of all time. And it was going to be National Golf Links in the morning and Shinnecock in the afternoon. I was trying to pull it off.

And National backed out on me like at 1159 p.m. the night before. And the scramble was immense to try and, you know, because when you're telling someone, they're going to go play a top five, top 10 golf course in the country and back to back, you're sending them photos. He's also like our guy Taylor made, a very important relationship for us. us, very close friend. And, you know, I'm sending him photos of national videos that we've done there. You know, the windmill we did, we did all the behind the scene stuff and when they were

getting ready for the, uh, it was behind the greens. So I need to like, I need to really line up something strong for him this October. You know, when Barbudi flies east, everyone starts scrambling. Yep. Bart, give you a little, you know, these, you're on the right track with those. Barbuti hates trees and he loves golf courses with no tree. There you focus. You know, like I would say Friars heads an incredible one.

You can really, you can really, because he likes to hit that cut and he just doesn't like when trees are. He's never been to gamble. And every time I go to gamble and post, he just, he ferociously DMs me responses. It goes, this looks like my kind of place. We got to get to gamble. I'm like, I can't see a fucking tree in sight. We've got some good options for him out there, here, but I got to lock it all in.

It's hard. I mean, this is the top. This is what I say about Long Island golf. It's insane that on this island we have the best golf courses in the world. It's not as easy to just like lock that stuff up, you know? But no, I'll work. I'll work on it. All right.

Boys and girls, I think that's all we have. Yeah, these lawyers never come through. They're probably, they're probably with clients and they're just double charging people just to talk to them. I had a couple of people, I had a couple people from TBC Boston reach out to me about the leather chairs. They sent me One guy even sent me Like the unit number

It's from a place Jordan's furniture I've never heard of that before But he sent me the unit number They no longer sell the chair So Oh So I mean I'm just

I'm chairless unless I buy one Maybe from the TBC Boston Clubhouse But I'm going to keep my eye out first I have a leather chair But I could use a better one I think So I've got my eyes open In my ears peeled for that What's your guys thoughts

On this new iPhone I just thought just now. It folds, right? Yeah, it's called the iPhone Duo. I did love I love the era of flip phone. I don't know it's not exactly a flip phone, but I don't know. I got to take more looks at it.

Initially, I didn't like it. The technology is pretty outrageous. I mean, for not, you know, they've been getting slammed recently for not being an innovative company. And I don't know if those are AI clips I'm seeing, or that was an old interview when Zuckerberg went on Rogan, but he basically made a claim that Apple just stopped innovating and they just keep repurposing the iPhone. And it's like going to be the downfall of Apple because they just

won't make, they won't put investment into new innovative technology. They just keep saying iPhone 17, 18, 19, 20. And like, that's not innovative at all. It's just what NHL 27 did. And this is, it's a disaster. I was just going to say that. Oh, we got to hope that this is this new iPhone is not this new NHL. Well, it's completely different. And I know like the galaxy's done it before. It's far from the first company to do a foldable phone. I don't know why we're going to the foldable phone. I guess it's because content is so mobile now that like getting the biggest screen in your hands while also being mobile is something that people want. I think for our job and what we do, I think the iPhone is perfect for what it is. Like we need it to kind of be in our back pocket. We need

a really good phone. We need to be able to post content and just like and message quickly. I think for people that maybe work at desks, this will be a really cool thing. I've seen a lot of different variations of how you can do two screens at the same time and you can have it look like a tent where like you have like all of your calendar stuff there and it's like full, it's like very visible. And there's a lot of things. You got to watch the video. It's insane. You basically have three screens. One on the front. You open it up. The two on the inside open up to a huge iPad size. All the technology on the middle. There's no crease really, which is like innovative that they were able to figure out. like the hinge is like the best hinge that's ever been made to be able to open it and close it

it's really cool um but i didn't know if you guys have i i usually get up for like the keynotes for yeah for apple keynotes those usually get me going i'm gonna be i'm gonna be trying one of these bad boys one of these foldable phones tell you that much two thousand dollars for the cheapest one look we're in the content business baby whatever it costs that's you know it's worth it you gotta have that thing i have that bad boy um this is right up Jeff D. Lowe's at, like, Jeff D. Lowe loves a keynote. He does. Yep.

He does. But, by the way, Jordan's furniture is the one, they always do the bets with, with fans of the Red Sox. So I think they want, like, they're the ones like they'll do, like, if the Red Sox win the World Series, everybody gets like, their down payment free for the furniture they bought over the course of the year. And, like, I want to say when they did win the World Series, they ended up being, like, in the whole, like, tens of millions of dollars because they did this promo. But Jordan Spurge, they always have something going on because living in Boston for like a decade. There's always

something going on every year. I don't know if they still do it, but forever it would be, I can't remember because it'd be like, you get a, you know, everyone who buys a couch during this MLB season, you get like a thousand dollars off the couch if the Red Sox happened to win the World Series. And then everybody would just go buy

a couch or Red Sox wouldn't win the way. And like the year that they do, George Spurge would be like, we've got to take out a live golf 2.0 loan and I'd be able to pay everybody off. So that's who Jordan's furniture is. They're like huge in Massachusetts. Got it. Got it. All right. Already, already, already. We are done here. Enjoy the Solheim Cup this weekend. That's what's going to be on my golf list. I'm going to throw that on. Check out on Alistair throughout the entire weekend as well on the Corp Ferry tour. And now, you know, having himself quite the year. So I don't know if we're going to throw that in earlier or if we're going to do

Alister at the end of the show. But regardless, love hearing from Alistair. He's the best. And he's had an incredible years. I'm very glad we were able to get him on, break that news, awesome stuff. And thanks to everybody for listening. Thanks to all of our partners. Thanks to Ryan Ritchin behind the scenes. And have a safe weekend.

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