Fore Play - Masters 2020 Full Recap, with Pat Perez
Episode Date: November 16, 2020We recap the incredibly unique 2020 Masters with 4-time participant and recurring guest Pat Perez (2:55) who’s got insight from very recent rounds played with winner Dustin Johnson. We dig into it a...ll — DJ putting a stamp on his phenomenal 2020 year, how Augusta National played and presented itself, Bryson’s “par 67” backfire, Rory’s slow start syndrome, Tiger’s 10 on 12, and everything else from the first and only November Masters!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod
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We just watched, we just witnessed the first ever and probably the only ever, 20, 20, November, fall masters, COVID.
Everybody knows the situation.
We talked about it all year long.
Is there going to be fall foliage?
How's the course going to play?
What's going to be different?
Are they going to be able to do it or not?
Justin Johnson came out on top.
He pretty much dominated.
a ton to break down from that to Tiger to Rory to new faces on the scene to how the course
looked and presented itself on television. We got Pat Perez is back. He joins us for about 50 minutes.
We chatted with him all day, Thursday about going into it, that scambles, who do we like,
what don't we like, who's going to be a surprise, and he wanted to join us again and obviously
we wanted to have him again to sort of recap and go through how it went. He knows DJ well.
he played with him last week in a practice round, so he gets into some stuff about Dustin Johnson.
That's very fascinating. So it's a great show. And again, it's probably the best recap,
week to recap of the entire year because we fucking love the Masters tournament. So we got all
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Fuck, man. God damn tooth just broke. Fuck.
You all right? Like a filling broke or the tooth?
the fucking my
two, these teeth are broken
in three days.
Fuck off. That's the work.
That's awesome. No, it's not a big deal. I'm only living for a week tomorrow.
It'll be no problem.
Fuck.
It's probably something.
But, you know, it's been a hell of a day.
Let me tell you.
Is it hurt?
No.
I've had root canals everywhere, so.
What are you chewing on tonight, big deal?
Nothing.
Fucking water.
I just fucking had water.
I just fucking had water.
It fell off.
Jesus.
See, when I drink, that shit doesn't happen.
Well, what's up, boys?
How are we doing?
What's up, dude?
Good.
Good.
Well, maybe I'll pick the winner like me or no?
No.
Well, I mean, you had like 20 people that you thought were going to win.
I had four.
My four bigies came in.
My four bigs were right there.
Yeah, that's true.
DJ, Rory, Roms, Kepka.
They were all there.
Good calling Rory, to be honest.
that was a pretty stuff.
I think at one point during the coverage,
we're like, Rory is T4 right now.
Like, what's happening?
And it was fucking T, what, 90?
On Thursday, I mean, you know, it's...
He's got a weird.
He's got such a bizarre thing going on.
I don't know why.
How can he can't play Thursdays?
I don't know why he can't be in contention.
Well, what do you know?
But he had, when he came back, he had a great tournament, right?
And he finished top five and everyone coming back.
Yeah, the beginning.
That's how he should play every day.
That's how he's,
play every turn as far as I'm concerned. DJ is just unbelievable, bro. I mean, I played him last week
Tuesday, and him and Kepka on, you know, at Houston, and you just see, you see different things.
You can see this coming. Like I said, what I say, 20. I thought 20, 21 was going to be at the end of the
week. You think it's, I was actually, like, you think it's kind of bullshit that the record now
is going to stand forever, that it's, you know, 20 under par. First got to get the 20 under par,
but it was in November when the quarter.
It is, and it isn't.
I know, I know only because even in April,
they get the course so firm before,
even if it gets rain,
that they can't get that love.
Like Tiger and Speeth having those scores are unbelievable.
Not the 20-under for DJs, not unbelievable,
because a lot of guys, you know, even the next guy,
but, you know, the next two guys got the 15.
So, yeah, it's unfortunate that that's what it is.
they wanted to have the masters.
At all costs, they wanted to have it.
So this is what comes with it when you want to have it at all cost.
Yeah, I think it's, I mean, I just saw people kind of bitching about it on Twitter and people
bitching about it.
Of course.
I'm sort of with you.
It's like they had the tournament.
Everybody wanted them to have the tournament.
And it's not like everybody shot 25 under.
There are two guys who are the closest two guys were 15 under, which is not that uncommon.
And DJ just went nuclear and shot 20 under part, Augustin Ash.
And that's what he does.
What was, what was, the good question would be, what was taught?
Okay, so nine under got invited back.
How does that compare to years in the past?
I think it's only like two shots different.
I think it's usually like seven or eight under is usually like the 12 number to get invited back.
It's number three, you know?
Right.
So.
Yeah, I'm looking, so last year, the number was eight.
Eight under, eight under was tied for 12.
So one off that.
So if it's really that easy, then that number would have been like 14.
You know, so I don't know.
I mean, you got 2015, 15, 12, 11, 11, and then 10.
So nine guys shot 10 under or better.
That's not, I would consider that, you know, ridiculous.
You know, if nine guys were 15 or better, I'd say, yeah, now we've got a problem with having it in November.
Yeah.
Yeah, last year was actually more.
Last year there were 11 guys that shot 10 under or better.
And I'm looking here is like Xander, Brooks and DJ were all 12 under.
Molinari, Day, Simpson, Binaw, we're all 11 under.
So that's legit.
The scores were, I know they were setting record lows in the cut line and all that.
But in terms of the top of the leaderboard, actually, you're right.
It's way higher than I thought it was.
Well, it was skewed on the cut as well because they could have actually done their 10.
They didn't have to do the top 15 ties.
That's stupid.
You got all day long to get it going.
And they always finish on time.
You know, it's one thing I always say, you know,
they talk about slow play and all these other things.
The next tournament that doesn't finish on time Sunday because of slow play will be the next time.
Okay, it'll be the first time.
It never happens.
Even with all the rain blaze and all that kind of thing, so what would the cut?
The cut still would have been won over.
So, you know, you would have had what, four more guys play?
So what the hell's the difference?
Let them play.
Just keep it to the way.
way it is. What's the difference? It was a long week for the boys. I know that.
But they said between the mud balls and all the other things, I mean, Christ, Tiger's shot
on 13 and, you know, everybody's shots were all over the map. DJ just happened to not have
my guess. The mud ball is fascinating. Everybody on Twitter, there's a ton of chat. I know you're
not a Twitter guy. There's a ton of chat on Twitter about how the broadcast, the ESPN and NCBS are not
allowed to say it's your mud ball. It's literally, it's just not a lot. You can't say anything.
You cannot say anything about, you cannot say anything in the negative about Augusta.
It was amazing. Like they were going, they were like talking about the weird, yeah, like what a,
what a weird reaction that golf ball had just some organic matter. It looked like an old ping ball.
It looked like one of those old ping balls where one half was white and the other half was another
color, you know, because of the mud. I mean, it is what it is.
They knew it going into it, but the members will not have lift clean of place.
They just will not do it.
I don't understand that.
Like, why?
What's wrong with live clean and play?
It's like we were talking about the other day.
I think it was with you.
We were talking about the, you know, when you hit it into a divot in a fairway.
It's the worst rule in sports where it's like you've been trying it forever.
Jackson's been trying to, you've done whatever you can.
When you put sand into a divot, it is now ground under repair.
Technically, under the rules, it's called ground under repair.
So you've done your job.
You hit it in the fairway, your fairway.
and you're in sand.
It's granted a repair.
Jack's been trying to do it since the 60s.
It's crazy.
So then now...
Mudball's ridiculous.
You take it to the Masters then.
I don't get...
Like, if you're in the fairway,
you've accomplished the thing,
you've done the best you can do,
and your ball hits because it's stopped,
has a bunch of mud on it
that's going to fuck up your ball flight.
Why can't you just clean it
and place it within, like, a scorecard?
What's the issue?
Well, every other tournament,
every other tournament on the,
well, non-major tournament on the planet.
Maybe even the US Open.
I don't know. I don't know, but they might have done lift clean place at least on Thursday.
Right.
At least on, at least one day.
But the Augusta, whatever the hell they call them.
I don't know, committee or whatever they, there's always a different name.
Whatever.
And coach.
They will not, they just will not do it.
They will not do it.
I mean, it is what it is.
You know, there's so many rules and so many different things that go out at that place,
they just won't do it.
And it's bullshit.
It really is.
sucks for the guys to have to play those shots. And the thing is, there's so much trouble
around those holes. And you know where you have to hit it. And when you get a ball that goes
like that and it gets so far out of position, you're fucked. You can't get it up and down. You just
can't. It was-wise not from the high scores. It was interesting hearing the guy, you know,
hearing them like scream a little bit about mud balls, but not want to clearly, you know,
like they just get so frustrated and it's very, very much understandable. I thought Augusta,
all, we're so used to, and I know Frankie was very much of, this was a big pet Piva, his,
which is how the course was presented, how it came off on TV, because we're so used to it
being as perfect as possible.
Oh, of course.
Like the fantasy and like the, you know, it's almost like the North Pole where it's like, it's fake.
It's you do.
And I want you, August National, do everything you can possibly do to continue that fantasy.
I want to believe in Santa Claus.
I want it to, like, I want to believe that the road literally like grew out of the ground,
green. I want to believe all that shit. And then you could look and there were bare spots around a lot of
the greens. The 12 green looked horrible all week from, you know, the camera perspective. It was just,
it was kind of, I know we talked about it last week. There was all the rain. They were able to get
through it. But it was weird seeing it look like that. Yeah, it's, it's unfair. It really is
unfortunate. But, you know, like everybody said, they wanted it. And it was going to be at a different
cost. It was going to be at a different, you know, look and scores. And with the rain, mean, Christ,
when we talked about it, I thought the rain was going to be like three days.
And look, the forecast looked so shitty.
And if that hurricane would have gone up more, you know, north, who knows what it happened.
They might have, they might have still be not finished by now.
But they got lucky, it went right.
And then it didn't rain anymore after that morning.
And, you know what?
They were able to get it in like nothing but it drops, you know, enough to make it wet
and have mud balls and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, you can't talk about it.
And, you know, our officials, we always say, we always argue with them.
They say it's part of the game.
I don't know how it's part of the game, but they argue that it's part of the game.
It is what it is.
So, you know, we just saw it.
If it was at any other event, like you're saying, especially the U.S. Open Q, imagine what the players have said this week
and how many players would have come crying and bitching and going crazy.
And they would have been able to say whatever they want because they would be like, fuck the USDA.
They're not worried.
They're not worried.
They're not worried about the USDA.
I'm not worried about the USDA.
I don't get a shit.
But Augusta, you care because, you know, the thing is I always say about, I call them fans, fans, patients, whatever you want to call them.
They're so afraid, you get the same people that you get at all the tournaments.
They're just so afraid to do something wrong that they cannot be let back.
It's the only tournament where they're afraid to not be let back.
Every other one, then they go crazy and like, oh, you got kicked out.
Okay, I'll see you tomorrow.
You know, not there.
So everybody's so afraid of that place to not be let back or say something or whatever it is.
but even the commentators, like they don't, they can't say anything.
So, you know, it's crazy to me, though.
Like, if Rory McElroy says, like, oh, they should have done something about the mud balls,
can you imagine Augusta National being like, you can't come back and make sure there's no,
they would never do that.
You think they would?
No, they wouldn't do it to him.
They would do it to him.
But they, you know, you know, it is the greatest place in the world.
It's the best run tournament by landslide.
I wish USDA would learn more from now.
I wish every turn, every tournament can learn something from that.
committee in that group. They are so smart and they know what the hell they're doing and they run the
greatest event. They have everything down. I've played for now and I've seen how they do
compare it to the term. They have it mastered in so many different ways. I can't even like,
I'm talking about when you drive in all day and leave. Everything that you see is done with a
purpose. It's already been thought about there's a reason why they do it. It's brilliant.
What's the main thing? What's the main thing that they do differently than you think of the tournament?
should do.
I really can't pinpoint.
Something would have to come up.
Right.
It's almost like,
where everything's just,
everything's just in control.
There's no,
nothing's out of control.
Everything is thought out,
in control.
There's a reason why they do things.
It's just,
it's like Disney.
And it's,
right.
It's like Disney,
but it's almost like you,
you wouldn't know
until you went to a different tournament
and realized something was wrong.
You'd be like,
oh,
I would never have.
happen in Augusta. But like the people, they talk about the British Open fans being the best
fans. No, the best fans are at, you know, the Masters and obviously the Open. They're knowledgeable.
But when they come to the Masters, they know that they can't get out of control. They can't
scream in Yale. They can't run. They can't get drunk. But they're just different. They understand
what's going on. It's just, I don't know. They set this precedent so many years ago,
and they have not changed from it. I'm telling you, it's like, I always compare it to Disney.
where you never see the character,
like the person, like walking from their car,
like, like Mickey Mouse just shows up out of the, out of the ground.
You never see Mickey Mouse get into his little, like,
out of his Toyota Camry and into his fucking suit.
He just belongs there, right?
Like, when you, when you walk down the Disney hallways or whatever,
everything's perfect.
And Augusta is the same.
That's why I was a little upset to see it show.
It's almost like I saw a little skin.
Like, I didn't like, I didn't like that this week with 12 and the green.
I'm like, I don't want to be.
looking at you while you're exposed right now.
Like I'd rather, I'd rather live in my fantasy world.
But like you're saying, with everything that happened,
I mean, they basically had to just put brand,
they put brand new grass in and then it just rained on top of it.
That was just bound to happen.
Like, that's just the worst possible thing that could have happened to them.
And it happened.
And I actually thought the golf course firmed up and showed,
I thought we saw in Augusta National for as best as we possibly could have on Sunday.
By far, by far the best you could say.
They got the speed up on, you know, on today.
you know the greens on Thursday in five
it looked so spiked up it was unbelievable
thank God you can actually tap down spike marks now
which that rule is so fucking stupid anyway
because everybody wears
saw spikes now right
the guys who got fucked with the guys from when the spikes
started in the Hoganade, the Hogan days
to like you know the late 90s
to mid 2000s when metal spikes
basically were kind of out I mean no public course
can you wear metal spikes anymore no amateur
ever wears metal spikes you know now
there's some kids that are wearing them
but didn't even know what the hell they were, but those guys who were those long nails,
those are the guys that got screwed back in the 80s and 90s when they couldn't tap the spike
marks down. So, but, you know, the greens were soft, but hey, you know, 20 under that,
back to that point, I don't know if that's going to get broken again by anybody.
It's just, I just don't see it.
So we were, you know, you and I were talking a little bit about the cat earlier, about Tiger.
He had an interesting week defending champ.
everyone's going to talk about his
his rounds back nine Sunday today
was crazy where you make the 10 on 12
everyone's thinking like oh this is all we're going to talk about
then he files it up with five birdies over the next six
holes and kind of stop is the whole thing
he had a quote after that I thought was
so relatable and he was so sincere
where he said this sport is awfully lonely
sometimes you have to fight it
no one is going to bring you off the mound or call in a sub
you got to fight through it that's what makes this game
so unique so difficult mentally
we've all been there unfortunately i've been there you just have to turn around and figure out
the next shot like i thought that was so relatable so much like man i felt that in like in my heart
of like we've all been out there before where you cannot find it and your struggle city and there's
nothing you can do like you can't tap somebody in you can't do you just put his play the wrap
but it's not like he didn't have it though i mean he wasn't like out of the he wasn't gonna win but he
wasn't out of the tournament. When he made that 10, he was only beating four guys now.
But also, there's no, there's no fans out there. There's no patrons. He's only interested in
one thing anyway when he tees up on Thursday and then finishes on Sunday at Augusta is winning the
jacket. He doesn't care about finishing 20th or the money that's coming in or, you know,
does he get invited next year? Any of that crap, he's not worried about any of that. So when you make
10 on Sunday and now you are in last, you're almost in last place by four guys.
His, it's over, you know, it's over.
So all he's going to do now is go out and try to make birds.
He wasn't even excited when he was making birdies coming in because it's like there's no
pressure.
There's no one out there.
You know, he's out of the tournament now.
He knows what he can do.
I mean, obviously that five, I've seen that show before.
That's nothing new burning five or six holes.
It's just like, let's just get in, you know, okay, cool.
we made five, six buries.
We finished, what, 38th or something?
And let's get the hell out of here.
Let's hope that April comes around and everything's right.
Do you think, like, so you think if he doesn't make that 10,
there's no way he rattles off five birdies?
No, no, I'm not saying.
Now I'm not saying that because he can rattle through that.
Like I said, like I said, a million times.
He knows that grass from 13 and better than anybody,
other than like Phil, because Phil's only played more than him.
But, you know, of course he can't.
I'm just saying when you make 10, you know,
I've made a big number of four, and it's over.
It's like, it doesn't even matter if you burdying a few holes coming in or not
because there's so much damage that have been done already
that it's like, all right, well, you know, the leaders at fucking, you know,
17, I'm now three over.
It's like, you know what I mean?
It's like he's only interested in winning that jacket.
He doesn't care.
No, good for him.
You know, he finished strong.
I mean, obviously he didn't quit like some would or, you know,
if he would have made no birdies coming in.
I mean, but the whole thing is it's just, unfortunately, they made 10.
And, you know, of course, that's what he does.
He doesn't.
He never acquits.
And birdies five and six coming in.
But, you know, that's just kind of like a little bit.
It's not really going to excite him as he flies home.
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What's your top number?
What's the largest number you've ever made on a hole?
That's a damn good question.
I'm sure I've made, I know I've made nine.
I know I've made nine.
I don't know if I made ten.
I haven't been to 11.
Tigers' first 10.
That was his highest score in a hole.
He said it was...
Think about the, you know,
not the, it's not karma,
the, whatever the hell you'd call it.
I mean, he's the only one that doesn't hit in the water last year
and goes on to win.
And then this year he makes 10 on the damn thing.
But thankfully, it didn't cost him, you know,
the tournament or whatever.
You know what I mean?
Last year worked out perfect.
It didn't really cost anything.
He literally cost me that.
I mean, that's the fact he made 10.
And everyone's like, I saw some shit like,
oh, I made 10, you know, I've made 10.
I'm like, don't even fucking talk.
I mean, don't say that you do the same things that he does.
It's just, it's embarrassing.
When he had to drop it, though, in the same spot,
when he was in the bunker and he was in that weird stance,
every turn, don't hurt your back or whatever,
because it was a lot.
I don't know why he didn't go back to.
Over the 13 or something, close to that way.
I just think he didn't want to waste him more time going,
because he could have walked over there to the grass.
I just don't think you want to waste any more time.
Because when you're making a 10, you've got a lot of,
you've got two other players waiting for you to do it.
It takes a long time to make 10.
It does.
I mean, it takes a long time.
You hit it, you walk up, you drop, you hit it again, you walk back, you drop,
bunker.
I mean, you've got to walk over the bridge.
I mean, it takes a long time to make 10.
And he knows that.
So I think that's why I dropped there.
But, you know, it sucks.
But, you know, I mean,
bottom line is Dustin fucking killed everybody and I had a damn good idea who's going to do that.
And, you know, this is what the number one player does.
He's proven he's number one.
And look at the hell he's done since, you know, since his COVID thing restarted.
I mean, fuck, he's beat everybody, you know, won tournaments, you know, wins the FedEx, you know, gets COVID,
misses two of his favorite places to play in the world and then comes back and wins you or something.
Like he told me last week, he goes, I don't really give a shit about the other ones.
I'm so glad that I have an opportunity to play a lot.
Augusta because I think I'm going to win it.
Jesus.
So we were at the gambling house, our gambling house all week.
And so we basically saw every single shot intensely because we were gambling.
Fairways hit, Fairways missed, the whole thing.
And this fucking guy went 14 for 14 yesterday on Fairway.
Pretty strong.
Which is pretty strong?
But then he comes out today and you're like, all right, is DJ going to be able to hold
on to this lead?
54 whole lead is going in.
It's Augusta, the whole thing.
And he starts, like, did you get a little?
nervous on the first goal? He gets into the bunker at one. Then on two, he's in the bunker again.
You didn't know what was going to happen. You're like, all right, this guy's missed the first,
like, three fairways here. All he had to do for me, he just had to stay alive until he got to eight.
Okay. If he still had the lead at eight, I wasn't worried about Smith. I wasn't worried about him.
I wasn't worried about anybody chasing him because the really, you know, top players that have played there a lot were too far behind them.
You know, they're too far back.
So, you know, Roy started making a run, and Brooks was making a run.
And, you know, but DJ was just, I knew once he got to eight, he was going to run.
And then, you know, if he just hit the green, if he part 11, hit the green on 12,
it's basically going to be over because he's going to birdie, you know, a bunch of holes coming in.
Yeah, that is what it feels like.
And I'm sure August has always been like that.
But it's like, for me, I was like, man, he's just got to get through 12.
Don't hit in that water.
And then he's got it.
He's hitting the green in two on 13, 15, he's coming in.
16, he's just going to play it to the middle green.
Everything there is very simple for a long hitter like DJ.
Yeah.
And he was so in control, you know, it's just, he's just impressive, bro.
I mean, I play with the guy.
I think I'm the only guy that's played with him when he's had those two massive leads.
I play with him in L.A. when he had 11-shot lead, I was playing with him.
And then in Maui, he had a nine-shot lead.
I was playing with him there, too.
And we brought that up last week.
I'm like, because we were talking about you can't do anything.
When he gets confident, he gets running.
One, he starts playing faster.
Two, he gets more confident.
And he starts even playing more aggressive.
Now, he didn't really play that aggressive coming in, which he didn't have to.
But he just gets so confident and gets going so fast, you can't catch him.
He just can't catch him.
What does he like when he's coming down the stretch there?
Are you guys talking in that final round?
Yeah, yeah.
I know DJ.
I know DJ so long.
You know, I've been fortunate to play a little bit of.
lot with him and he likes talking to me and hanging out with me and I've had some great times with
him you know we're going to I told him for you know we're talking about last week for the Honda
we're going to go and go on his new boat and bought from MJ and played the Grove and all he said
I mean he I get along with them great I get along with them great I think he's he's phenomenal
and yeah you know there's nothing you can do I mean what else you're going to do I mean it's
but see I talk to everybody early anyways Frankie said like and he was you know at least
making some bogeys answer and um who was you answer
Answer and M.
May it.
No, Smith was the group in front, right?
It was Answer and M, I think.
Answer and M were playing together.
So I'm like, I think it was the fifth or the seventh.
They both missed shots into the green.
Yeah.
My question to you is like, does that relief stress from DJ
or is he just so focused on his own game that he's not so much caring about
what other guys are doing?
Believe it or not, both.
Because he's watching, you know, he's watching.
But he knows it would have been much more stress for him today,
even with a poor shot lead, if he was playing with Brooks and Roy.
Yeah.
You know, because he knows that those guys can get on an early start.
Like if DJs won over through four or five, you know, those guys could be two or three under because they both have the firepower to Eagle Two, you know, Birdie Three, you know, whatever.
So the tide could have turned there.
I just, there wasn't a doubt in my mind he was going to win that tournament today.
That is that bad.
He could have gotten off to a shaky start, which he did.
But once he got out, there just wasn't enough guys that could catch him.
The leaderboard wasn't enough.
There was too many shots between him and the other guys to catch him.
And that was why it's, you know.
Yeah, I mean, he ended up going out.
He ended up going out.
He shot the low round of the day tied with a couple of people with 4168 after T and off of the four-shot lead.
Like, as a guy who knows him better than obviously we will,
that everybody always talks pretty much.
We talk about the coverage.
We laughed about how people dance around just calling DJ a fucking idiot.
People do that all the time.
As a guy who knows him, were you surprised to see him emotional and, like, tearing up afterwards when he started talking about being a master's chance?
No, because I think he should have six or seven majors, not just two.
You know, he is that type of player that should have more than Brooks and, you know, Rory, in my opinion.
He should be up there in a six, seven range.
That's how good he is.
But he's been close a lot of times, you know.
The guy's won 24 times.
When you think about that, he's won 24 times.
And it's not like, not that I'm taking it.
taking anything away from Tiger, obviously, because he has the most and everything. He's done
things are incredible. It's like he's won one event eight times. Tiger's done that twice.
That's the most unbelievable feat there is, in my opinion. But this guy has 24 wins on all sorts
of different courses. And, you know, it's just, and he doesn't, in my opinion, he doesn't get
to respect that he should now because maybe he only had one major and Brooks and Burry
have four. You know, Bubba's got two, you know. Now he has two. I, you know, I think he's a
seven, eight, you know, major type of guy, and for whatever reason he hasn't done it.
But I can fucking promise you he's not stupid.
He's not stupid.
He may play it that way and this and that.
The emotional part, of course, once it actually, you sit down, you know, and he wanted
to win the master's most.
He said that tonight.
And, you know, once you get that and you accomplish that and you're number one, and
you've already won the FedEx, you know, it's like, what a year for people that have had
the worst year in their lives with this COVID and all this bullshit going on,
this guy's had his best year, which is unbelievable to think about that people are having such a hard time in life and he's had the best time.
And, you know, it is emotional.
You win the master.
There's no matter of fucking when it is.
You win the master's.
You're part of that club now forever.
You get the jacket.
You know, you're on top.
You're kicked everybody's ass for six months now.
It's like, yeah, why wouldn't he?
But he's not fucking stupid.
I can tell you right now.
He is very knowledgeable about what he's doing and what he does.
and his work ethic is what people don't understand.
You know, Joey D., who he works with,
I worked with a long time ago.
I texted him and I said,
make sure you pass on everybody, you know,
congrats, could you guys work your ass off?
Nobody fucking knows behind the scenes, you know,
morning workout, golf, morning, you know,
afternoon workout, this now.
I mean, last week I got done on,
I got done on, what day was it?
Wednesday in the pro am.
And I had teed off at two,
and I was done at 5 o'clock.
There was only an hour left to daylight.
DJ had already worked out in the afternoon because he played it early in the morning
practice round or in the program.
And he got there with 45 minutes of daylight left to go hit on the range until dark.
I mean, you know, Wednesday night.
I mean, it's that kind of shit that people don't see.
His work ethic is through the roof.
But the same as like Brooks, you know, Rory, Justin, I mean, Bryson, all these guys.
The work ethic is there.
It's just whoever plays better that week, you know.
Work ethic is there for a lot of these guys.
it's interesting it is it's very cool to hear that because you do like it's easy to get caught up as a fan
in thinking like oh DJ's this freak athlete yeah what he is he is right he's he's pretty flat
line he kind of just shows up and then like just plays awesome golf doesn't seem to care about
anything and if he wins he wins if he doesn't he just goes back to paulina and they have their
great like little fantasy life yeah yeah like you're saying like I hear they talk about on golf
channel and the work ethic and how he's grinding his ass off and like you can see him and
Austin over putts, like reading this shit out of putts. You see him on the putting green,
working with like the line and how he's tweaked his stroke and his whole routine and
like that type of stuff. And in the story, I remember after Chambers Bay that's always told
where they got in the car and it was him and Wayne Gretzky and the family and everybody's somber.
And he kind of lit up the car and was like, hey guys, like, it's just a golf tournament.
Everybody chill out after he three jack to lose the open to chambers. So you kind of think like,
does this guy even like, does it matter? And then to hear him, you know, up there with him.
to Ballionis getting his sort of congratulatory speech on the green and he just starts like
break like this second you can tell the second that he said the words like master's champion
he just started like crying because he's it was so cool yeah it's that's but that's what it is you know
he's he's he's very smart you know he's he knows what he's doing you know but you have like tiger
not only was he the most gifted athlete ever seen swimmer golf club he worked his fucking ass on he
worked harder than anybody during that time, you know, when his body allowed him to do it.
But that's why he was so amazing. Of course, he was gifted as shit. He was more talented than anybody.
I saw that since we were eight years old. I saw that. But he worked, you know, and he worked his
ass up when he turned pro. And, you know, it's all the things behind the scenes don't see.
Everybody sees the jacket at the end, you know, I think, oh, fuck, that'd be awesome, you know.
I'll just go try that. Okay. Well, it takes, there's so much it goes into doing it. And even like,
you know, people, you know,
they come out to me, they're like, oh, fuck, you've only won three times.
Fuck, motherfucker, go try it.
Be my guest.
Go get your card, okay?
Go get your card.
Go get in a field, make a cut, and then win a tournament.
And then do it three times.
And tell me how, fuck, it's only three times.
You know, it's hard out here, by the way.
And do it, and then keep your card for 20 years like I have.
It's hard to do it.
You know, I work hard, too.
I don't, I can not as the town as them, you know, I don't.
I don't hit it the way they do it, whatever the fuck it is.
But these guys are unbelievable, man.
You take LeBron, you take Tiger, you take Kobe, you know, MJ.
These guys were the most gifted athletes in their sport,
but they worked their ass off even more,
and that's why they were so incredible.
And DJ's no different.
Brooks is no different.
Rory, John Rom, you know, Justin Thompson.
All these guys work just as hard as anybody else.
It's just who shows up at the end.
Man, whenever we have these majors,
and we all watch them.
I can't tell you how many times
when we were sitting on the couch,
these guys are so fucking good.
Like when you're saying
it's impossible to win these things,
I mean,
you turn on any one of these holes.
They had just like hole 15 to 16
on the Masters at,
and we watched it all day long,
every single little shot,
every little chip.
These guys are so fucking good.
Everybody in that field.
Everybody in that field is there for a reason.
They got invited for a reason.
You know, the amateurs,
they got invited because of the top hamlers.
The pros that got invited
because they either won a tournament
or top 50 in the world.
world. There's no fucking Monday qualifier down the street, you know, to get in that thing, okay?
It's a, you've got to be, you've got to be a damn good player just because some guys miss
the cut, you know, Lucas Clubber, he's won the U.S. Open, okay? I mean, guys have,
there's, there's phenomenal players in that field. And like, you can't tell them they
suck because they didn't fucking shoot, you know, 20 under that week. You know, it's just,
people have no idea how good these guys are in general. They just don't have any clue.
The up and downs that they show and the shots out of the trees and then, and then
all of a sudden when they are on a hot streak,
it's like they can't miss.
They just step up, they roast one, you know,
$2.90, 300 on the middle.
They hit it right at the pin.
And then they, you were saying,
when they are struggling,
it's like they're touched.
They bounce one into the green
that just dribbles on
and then rolls down to the pin.
They're playing like five foot puts,
you know, a foot outside the hole
as you know,
playing Augusta, and they just dribbling right in.
And there's Dustin Johnson,
who's just five strokes better
than the second best one of all of them.
Exactly.
And it never looked like it was even close.
It's like the fucking good he is at golf.
And he's unbelievable.
He's better than all of those guys.
He's unbelievable.
And that's son, J.M., he is phenomenal, by the way.
That kid, nice kid.
He is fucking good, bro.
I mean, he's made a fortune.
The kid's 22.
I mean, he's made a fortune.
He just won a tournament.
He plays every week.
He doesn't even have a hole.
His up and down behind 15 today was one of the most impressive up and downs I've ever seen in my life.
That was, that was, that was, that was, about 16.
16 was no joke either.
That's dead.
Right.
And he made one on 11 on Saturday.
From behind the green, he chipped it.
Beautiful, and he hold that one.
He's incredible.
And then I say this all the time.
Korean golf has really come a long way.
I mean, obviously, at the start with KJM and Yie gang,
but now these guys are going to get Sewell, Sung J.M.
You've got that KH. Lee.
I mean, you've got some really good Korean players that are fucking in the mix all
time.
That's Sung Jay, though.
He is not going anywhere any times to him.
His swing is preposterous.
His swing is preposterous.
I'm thinking about going to it.
I think he's like aligning himself.
Did you see that comparison that,
did you see the comparison between him and Bryson?
Bryson's like down the furrowy already.
This guy's like just getting to the top.
They did a side by side where they start their backstring
at the same time.
Bryce is literally like 10 yards,
he's 10 yards off the T-box before he hits the ball.
It's unbelievable.
All weekend we were watching with people who
don't watch golf all the time.
And every time M would swing,
someone would be like,
well, now what the fuck is going on over there?
Because it's just such a different swing than everyone else's.
No,
I've never seen anybody take that kind of time.
It's amazing, too,
because when he's in the most heated pressure he's ever been in his life,
he's in the second place of the Masters on the back nine.
And his speed never changed.
It was always the same.
It's incredible.
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So let's get down to important shit.
Who won the bets?
Who was right other than me?
You know, and picked the right side.
I'll say this.
My bets, I ended up winning a bunch of money this week, but none of it was on the pre-golf
bets.
Like I lost, you know, I was sitting there all week like, okay, on Sunday night we're
going to cash in.
I got all this outstanding money.
Every single one of those bets lost.
And it was all the fucking green regulation, fairways missed.
Like we were just betting those lives.
And we were able to hit.
It was a decent amount, but the other stuff, like, everybody that I had to win had no chance.
Tiger made a fucking tent.
Yeah, I don't think any of us hit any future bet before.
Like nobody had DJ, right?
No about the matchups.
Not about the matchups.
I had Sheffler.
I know that one.
Matchups I lost on Thursday.
Who we had?
Was it for the week or just on Thursday?
I was giving you Thursday because those were the only ones that were coming up.
When we talked to you, it was the night before the war.
What was it?
Was it Kepka McElroy?
Yes.
So we had that one.
Yeah.
Had Schaeffler.
Yep.
Who else do we have?
I can't if I can't even remember.
I'm not kidding.
I responsibly placed 150 bets, and I don't even think it'll make me go back.
Did you guys even watch Saturday morning to see how close Deschamble was even
coming to missing the cut. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, if fucking Cabrera Bail gets up and down,
he had a horrible chip on eight. If he gets it up and down on eight, all those guys that even
are going home, including your boy. Dude, favorite. What's your take on him? I mean,
you par 67 was his line. Like, this is a part 67 golf course for me. He got beat by Bernhard
Longer, who's 63, defeated him this week. He had one point on Thursday. On Thursday,
He and Larry Mize both shot 70.
Larry Mize was averaging 247.4 off the teeth,
and Bryson was averaging 334.6.
You know, I've learned a lot from, you know,
to the two best of my generation,
which is Tiger and Phil, obviously.
And they never made comments like you hear, you know,
like you hear today.
You've never heard Tiger go, well, yeah, this is part 66 for me.
he's never said in his life Phil's never said his life you don't ever hear those two guys say oh fuck
I don't do it for the money I don't need the money I don't do it for the money never said that which they don't
but they would never say it they never said they don't say that any tournament means less or more to them than others
you know you hear that all the time it's just it's different so you know this this basically came back to bite him
and they ass and I think the the world is going to let him hear about it and you know Augusta I'm sure they weren't
here they weren't happy about hearing you know for the first time ever in their life someone
saying that they're that guy's par is 67 you know you show respect to the course the members
done everything they can to get it right just because you happen to hit it 300 you know i didn't
see one driving 400 i saw that one he hit on two which was unbelievable what they go 390 or something
there rome was nine nine like ron thought he hit it left in the trees and that was just
the line that bryson i saw this guy's going like this on the team i'm like no that's perfect
But, you know, but where did that become an advantage?
You know, he lost the ball on three.
You know, he hit that nine iron 60 feet.
You know, his advantage didn't do him any good.
He hits that course, and I told you, I said, that's a position course.
Once you get out of position there, you're dead.
It doesn't matter how far you hit it.
You got to be in position.
You know, and I think, I think Bryson, I'm not worried about his playing because he's won twice.
He's won a major this year.
He knows what the hell he's doing.
but, you know, that that course is not one that you go and say what you're going to do to it because
you'll kill you.
I'm a little, I think like everybody, I'm a little torn on Bryson because like part of us, we love it.
It's a side show.
It's this guy is trying to break golf.
People lose their mind.
All the old like blazer fucking losers are all rattled about it.
And we love that shit.
Like it's great.
And yeah, right.
And so that stuff's great.
But then also he can be so unlikable with like the cocky stuff.
statements and the fact that he won't just like speak English when it comes to golf terms about
nerves he says like his fucking chemical balances off and you're like what like dude chill out and
then that's how he's that's how he's interacting with reality yeah yeah and then part of me also
feels bad when he gets roasted for stuff like this because everybody was like far 67 so in reality
like i was looking up like jack nicholas at age like if you compare jack and tiger at the same age
tiger woods is won 22% of the time on tour so fucking 80% of the time he's
loses. And then Jack Nicholas won at 16% clip when he was 44 years old. Obviously, it went down
after that because he played a bunch of older old man golf, whatever. But like 16% and 22% from
the two best players of all the time. Like, you just lose all the time on the PGA.
All the time. You just get used to lose them. Right. People were like roasting Bryson a little bit,
but he also kind of deserved. Yeah. I mean, you know, when you say the par 67, you can you can
definitely say in a different way. You can say, man, I'm hitting it far. You know, I feel like the
Part five is going to be in, you know, my favor because I've ended so far if I get it in play.
But you don't come out with a par.
You know, you can say you think you have a great advantage on this driver.
And, man, I really feel like I'm going to hit it, you know, close to certain greens.
I'm going to hit it over this tree here and give myself a great advantage.
You can go down that route and no one's going to roast you for it because you didn't give them anything.
You just said, yeah, well, fuck, we know you're hitting at 400 yards.
We know that.
So, yes, you are going to be probably one of the favorites.
You just want to use open.
you haven't played. You're working on this driver.
We get that, da, da, da, but you can't come out and say it with par 67 for me, and that's it.
And they got caught up in the hype. Like, we were already hyping him up.
Like, you had guys like me saying, you're going to turn this into a mini golf course.
The whole thing was already set up for him.
He could have just accepted that and been like, all right, I'm going to go out there and just try my hardest and whatever happens, whatever happens.
He would have fallen into that 80% of failing category.
No one would have said anything.
Like, oh, you just toss this up with the loss from Bryson.
You can't, like you're saying, put a number.
to it. You can't get that cocky because we're going to come after you for that,
like once you put that number in. It's definitely a learning experience for him.
Like, he now has like a fan base.
Dude, we watch this guy.
Oh, I'm a fan of his too. I love what he's doing. I think it's fantastic.
You know, I always go back because I've played with, you know, one of the two greatest
of all the time. I've seen him. I've heard every interview. I hear what he says.
Even when Tiger was, you know, the dead favorite by, you know, even better than,
better than even odds. He still never said, well,
Well, yeah, of course I'm going to go out and win.
That's what, you know, I'm here.
He would say he's here to win, which we do that.
But he never comes with anything like, yeah, well, of course I'm going to beat the shit
everybody.
You know, we already know that.
So, that's on me and give me the trophy now.
He doesn't come with shit like that.
He never did.
Never, never said, you know, this tournament's not important.
This isn't important.
I don't play for this.
I don't fucking do this.
He never did any of that.
You know, him and Phil, they never, in fact, no one's done that.
But, you know, Tiger in his lifetime.
I can promise to never came out and said that there's a certain part that he,
that that's what the course is for him.
Yeah, it was a pretty big lack of awareness that Bryson just has in general.
I mean, he had the run-in with the camera guy where he just got upset the guy was filming him,
which is literally his job to film him.
He's playing off.
That's what he's doing. He had these run-ins where, like, the build-up to the Masters,
I think Frankie's right, where, like, the hype just got to it.
Like, it clearly just done his thing.
Like, we could do the math in our head.
We know that if you're driving the ball 400 yards, that you can reach the par
is too.
Like, you don't need to tell us that the par is 67 because then if you don't shoot 67,
like you had a horrible day.
And not shoot 67.
Like, you barely broke par the whole week.
So, so, right, he just, he's a little bit off on kind of understanding all those things.
And you're right.
Like, where Tiger, Tiger not until this year, did he ever say anything like that?
And the only time, the only reason he did is because he's 44 now.
And the comment was like, they just asked him,
were there ever any tournaments you showed up that you just knew you were going to win?
And he said, yeah, there were twice.
It was like it was at the U.S. Open at Pebble Beach.
Or he said, I knew that like, as long as I didn't just die, like I was going to win that tournament.
And then it was St. Andrews, I think, like three weeks later, where he won by eight.
It was like, yeah, no, I was, I just had to do my tea time and I was going to win.
But he didn't say that in real time.
No, no, because he was, well, shit, we were 22 then.
We were 22 years old at that point.
You know, so of course everybody knew he was going to win.
I knew he was going to win too.
But there's, you know, the problem is it was so much hype, like you said,
so much hype and talk with Bryson and this length and this 48-inch driver
that nobody else was in the game.
And I think that actually helped out guys like Brooks and Rory and DJ,
and especially Tiger being defending champion.
You know, I've never seen less hype on Tiger, you know,
as defending champion ever.
that I had this year because everybody couldn't fucking stop talking about Bryson and his length
and him, you know, what's you going to shoot, $2,500?
You're going to get the 27 under?
You know, what greens are you going to drive?
This now.
And all the focus was on him.
And everyone's like, well, fuck, this is perfect.
We don't have to do shit.
And there's no one around.
So we can just do our thing, concentrate on our shit, go about our business and let him take
it all and see what happens.
Man, I've been waiting for what I happen to find a new angle.
And like, this is why I have such a roller coaster with this guy.
Like, I just said that, like, he probably should have just like a
accepted the hype and just said nothing, but I kind of love him just going after it.
Like, I mean, yes, Tiger went one way, but like, he doesn't have to be Tiger.
He's Rice and Duchampo.
He's a scientist.
He hits the 400 yards.
That's his fucking brand.
He's coming out with, like, muscle milk drinks.
He has, like, all these things.
All the ads have him ripping out of T-shirts and big, big stick, whatever, the whole thing.
Like, hey, say I'm going to come here.
I'm going to dominate you fools and you little, you little dinky little nerd.
And I'm going to win.
And if it doesn't work, you're going to get hated.
But, like, hey.
You're fucking dead.
You're dead.
But like, what if he pulled it off, right?
Like, he's a fucking legend.
I'm going to turn this thing into a mini golf course.
And then all of a sudden, he shoots fucking three sixty-threes in a row and drive the green.
We would be going crazy.
Yeah, it would have been, it would have been unbelievable.
But I'm telling you right now, humility works great in this sport.
Yeah, true.
With his way social media is now and fans and all this stuff, if you just play humility,
if you just, you know, just fucking, you don't need to set yourself up to be beat up.
You know, I go through so many weeks right.
I go, fuck, I ain't going to play well this week.
You know, if somebody asks us how you're going to play,
like, yeah, fuck, you know.
But it's true.
We'll see how it goes.
You can't see how it goes.
I mean, I don't know what's going to happen next week.
But see, I could be great.
I feel like I'm in there good.
If I get some pusses and go in,
you see what the fuck happens.
You never know until you get there to do it.
You can't come in there and say, yeah, par 67, that's it.
And as cocky as that sounds, par 667 when he says it,
I don't think from him, it doesn't come from like a cocky place.
He's just like, I've run the numbers and I can get here on all these par five.
Like, Frankie, I agree with you.
Like, if he was like, I'm going to come and I'm going to, I'm going to just beat everybody.
But he's more like I have seen all the equations.
So I'm going to part 67 in my score.
You're killing him with a nerd voice right now.
I'm just saying like, he's not saying like a cocky way.
He's not saying it cocky.
He's just saying that he's like worked out the math.
Yeah.
Trent point is more he just doesn't understand how to interact with people.
So like that's how he comes across.
and he's just presenting the information.
He should come in as like Rick Flair.
Like fucking like, like, do like a press conference.
I'm going to fucking come there.
And I'm going to have chicks on each side.
Like, he should be doing that.
Dude, that's who he is.
He's ripping out of his golf t-shirt.
The guy is over 400 pounds.
Like, do, like, own it.
Own it.
Yeah.
That's what happens, though.
I don't know that he is like that.
I think he, I don't know.
I think it's a mix.
I think Trent's kind of right in that.
He's, his brain's like, oh, they ask me to
question, yeah, kind of in my head, the par is 67, which I was just looking through.
67 is such a ridiculous number.
Say, say 68, you can reach all the par five's and two.
Right.
Saying that, like, he can reach the third degree.
I just looked through.
He had three pars and a triple on the third.
Yeah.
Those were his four scores.
So, like, you can't claim that that's like a part three for you.
No, it isn't.
That's like, it's not true.
So he is a little bit of an asshole on that front.
Like, that's just not, that's a ridiculous claim to say that's a part.
He was dizzy and he needs to get blood taken.
I don't even know what that means.
But, like, I mean, come on, dude.
Like, you heard about that after you put it into the tree.
But, you know, you've seen those long drive guys before.
Once they start hitting a few fucking south, it is real hard to get that last one in play.
Yeah.
That's the thing that's going to go on with this length with him is once he starts seeing it go, you know, big hooks and getting in trouble that's a, now, you know, it's just, it's very difficult.
And once you start hitting sideways at Augusta and you're out of play,
And you're out of position, probably it doesn't matter how far he had it.
It's, you're just fucking dead.
You're dead.
All right.
You know, I love what he's doing.
I love what he's doing.
I'm still a fan.
I get along with him great.
I'm not talking shit about it.
I'm just saying humility works better than this sport because I've seen it from the two best
in my generation.
They always played it down.
They were always thankful, you know, and that's what people want.
No, and you're right.
It just makes his life easier.
Like, he just doesn't have to answer for as much bullshit if he doesn't.
If he doesn't bring it.
Just not setting yourself up for fucking, you know, to get beat up for no reason,
literally no reason.
Right.
Just say, I'm hitting it great.
I'm hitting it great.
I'm hitting it from a mile.
I feel like I'm going to play well this week.
You know, I'm, you know, I was close to a couple of greens.
Can't wait to get out there.
Right.
Tiger famously like wouldn't, it doesn't give us anything.
And it's like that's actually smart because then he doesn't, he takes less off of his own shoulders.
Of course.
Up to less bullshit when it comes to this type of stuff.
and Bryson clearly has not learned that,
but us like his guys that do, you know,
golf media and podcasts and react,
like, we love it because it's hilarious.
Of course.
Because, you know, he's clearly self-conscious about it, too.
Like, we've had the moments where he takes somebody's phone
and goes on FaceTime and it's, like,
react into the fucking comments.
So clearly it rattles his cage.
Well, you guys could rattle him 100.
You guys can rattle him easily because you have to follow him to do it.
The same, you know, but everybody thinks the same thing.
It's like, they beat the shit out of him out of that 67 thing.
I mean, I didn't even see that much of it.
I just know that everybody beat the hell out of him first, you know,
then you shoot 67.
Big time.
Once.
I'm fucking shot in seven, it's twice.
So anyway.
Look, man, we appreciate the inside as always.
We love talking to you.
We love hearing about, you know,
you playing with DJ and giving us good intel into what's going on.
So we appreciate it, man.
Any time.
Anytime.
I'm always available.
I'll be around, you know, I'm always around.
So.
So you're playing this week, right?
Yeah, I'm doing my show on Tuesday night, Sirius XM.
I got Coke rack on with me, and we're going to do that.
And then, but shit, I'll be around.
So anytime you guys got anything, let me know.
We got to get our match in against you.
That we got to do for sure.
Now we got to try to plan in December.
I think that would be unbelievable.
So where do you think, have we talked about it?
I don't know if we talked about it last time, but like,
where do you think your chances are against us as a four-man?
scramble. Probably not good because I'll probably be drinking so I probably need. Yeah, my part
would probably be 65 that day so you know. But like the problem is that we have. Actually, I can
tell you my part will be about 75 that day. So I put that out there now. Well, the problem is we
play like one of your like your home course. Like we haven't we haven't seen that yet from a pro golf.
We played Kisner at Pioneers number two from 7,400 yards and we beat them by like one
strokes so at the end of the day we haven't seen like you just ripping a golf course apart
and probably shooting 10 under and i'll be like what the fuck did we just get into my course is
pretty forgiving silver leaf it is fucking awesome it's my favorite place here it's a little forgiving
off the tees but the greens can get real fast and real slick and there's a lot of this in there so
you guys would be you have to bring your putters what's silver league what's silver lead from the tips
can you tip it out pretty good uh oh yeah
Yeah, we can make it long.
Oh, yeah, because of one part three, you've got to walk up this hill is 258, I think, to the back.
Oh, sick.
It goes downhill.
It's a total guessing game.
It's unbelievable now.
The views are unbelievable there.
Sorry, one down before we even get on, before we even book our plane ticket.
It's so good.
Oh, we got something crying about them.
Sounds like you got to get a bit.
Yeah, we'll, uh, we're good.
No, let's see if we can put it together.
Let's try to do it before Christmas.
That would be unbelievable.
All right.
All right, let's do it.
All right.
This week, I'm coming to Scottsdale, so I'll see you.
No, I'm leaving.
No, I know, but I mean, like, around before we do the match, I'll be around.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
You're coming.
That's right.
Okay, we'll keep them cuts.
We'll figure that out.
We'll do a little negotiation.
We'll get the boys out, and we'll play our match.
Perfect.
Can't wait.
Good luck this week, man.
All right, boys.
Good luck.
Thanks for the time.
See, Pat.
Thanks, Pat.
Thanks, everybody.
Thank you.
Thanks.
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All right. We talked obviously a good amount of masters for with Pat Perez, which was great,
which was fun. We love Pat Perez. He's playing this week of the RSM classics. So go root for him.
Go pull for him. If you ever see him once we get patrons fans back, please go root for Pat because he's an
awesome dude. He's given us now a couple hours of his time over the last five days.
and he's got good insight.
So let's get into some more details that we did not necessarily get into with Pat.
We talked obviously a little bit about Dustin Johnson.
I thought it was really cool to hear and see him sort of getting emotional,
getting kind of revealing how much he cared about actually winning the Masters tournament.
Some of his stats leading up to this, I was stunned by.
He's got 19 top tens and majors coming into this.
Now he's got 20.
he had 10 top fives in majors coming into this, yet only one major championship.
That is amazing.
A couple of those, if you recall, are, you know, the bunker incident at Whistling Straits
and the PGA championship where the rules official had to come out on the 70 second green,
put his hand on his shoulder and tell him that he actually incurred a two-stroke penalty
who was therefore not in the playoff and lost that.
That was when Martin Kimer defeated Bubble Watson in that playoff.
He had the three-jack at Chambers Bay when everybody, including and especially Billy
Horschell. We're bitching about the greens and they're calling him broccoli greens.
DJ hits the shot of the year on the par 518th hole to like 12 feet above the hole,
three jacks to lose that one to Jordan's feet. So he's had so many chances at majors.
He's now got 24 PGA tour wins. And for him to now be, you know, like every year when we do
the Champions dinner thing and they put the photo out and everybody signs it, like DJ's in that
photo. Like every year when they come back and the guys get to put their green jackets on
they get to stand out of the 18th. Dustin Johnson is now one of those guys. So it's very, very,
very cool and extremely deserving. I don't know that you can find somebody out there.
That's more deserving than Dustin Johnson to actually get that. He's also the number one ranked
player in the world. I think I saw a stat. God, what was the year? I know it. What's the year
since the last time a number one ranked player in the world won a major? 2002. That's crazy.
What? Or maybe the masters, maybe the masters.
Like, so I'm not sure exactly that can't be a major.
That's a crazy step.
Yeah, not a major.
I think I saw Masters.
I think I saw Masters.
Master's, okay.
I think that Masters, you're probably right.
Because I don't know that Tiger in 05 was ranked number one in the world when he won it.
But regardless, like there was a step.
The last time, the last time a number one ranked player in the world won a major was so much longer ago than I would have ever imagined.
Like it might have been 2014 when it was Rory.
Like, I don't know if Rory was ranked.
I'm running the world. And when he won those back-to-back majors, he might not even have been.
But it was so surprising. And then I was trying to go back through and think about it.
But the point is, like, DJ won the FedEx Cup this year when he won the Tour Championship.
He won the Travelers. He won the Northern Trust when he shot 30 under par.
And he's now won the Masters. So he's won four tournaments, many of them in just dominant
fashion. And for him to actually win, you know, the Green Jacket, again, was pretty much like
as deserved of a title, I think, as you.
could have. Right. Those crazy top 10 finish numbers that you listed off at the beginning,
that aligns with what Pat was saying that DJ should have six or seven majors in his eyes. And there's
very few golfers in the world or ever that you could say they should have six or seven majors
and actually have it be true. Like DJ, you say that about him and everyone believes you. He is a
monster. And when he throws it into that gear that no one else has, you just think like, why can't
you do that all the time. And for the last six months, he's pretty much been doing that all the time.
And when he's at his best, he is unbeatable. And you just go back, you think about all those
close calls and majors. He should have four, five, six. He only has two, but still two is a lot.
Now he's got a master's. Like, he's just, when he's on his best game, he is unstoppable and it's so
much fun to watch. And we got that all weekend in Georgia. Right. And the big thing, too,
is like you you rattle off all those top cans and all these chances that he had to win these majors.
And I saw this article on Golf Channel just a little while ago, and it's basically saying,
where are all the pre-tournament favorites lost in 2020 Masters? And it really opens your eyes to,
like, all these guys have chances to win these majors. And then it comes down to like one or two swing.
And it's that huge turn, right? So like they rattle off Justin Thomas on round three, the par five,
15th. Right? He falls six back after that shot.
He was only four, he was only four points, four shots off the lead at that point.
Rory McElroy, the round three, par five, 13th.
John Rom, the round three, par five, eight.
He was the co-leader going into that round.
All of a sudden, he hits a mud ball, he yanks it, right?
It's crazy to me that a guy like Dustin Johnson can be in the mix that much,
and people can constantly be like, well, how is he not one one?
Like, it comes down to one or two swings, right?
Like, to me, it's crazy to finish top 10 that much and never win one.
Like, I want to say that.
But then you watch what we watch and you read that kind of article and you see how
fucking minuscule.
Like, you don't even think about it.
Like, oh, I just made a bogey.
But, like, you made a boge and the leader made a birdie.
You're done.
It's over.
It doesn't matter how, like, the tides have changed and we're on to the next one.
So for him to finally just piece it all together and not have that mistake, not put one in the
water on 12 or something Jurassic that would have happened.
happen to like, you know, you just fucking, something just comes out of nowhere and all of a sudden the
tournaments away from you. He was cool, calm, collected. He played his spot. And I'm just so happy
for him that he did that. I love a guy that gets choked up. I know that we've given rigs a lot
of shit, but like I come from a choked up family, especially when it means a lot to the person,
I mean, fuck, man, that guy, he couldn't, when he got that little like, I can't do this right now,
he was laughing at himself. He had, he had, he had, he had that. He had that. He had that. He had, he had
Like four times.
He kept trying to re-enter the conversation with Ballionis, and he just couldn't do it.
I thought it was great.
It was great, but Ballionis really stuck it in.
She stuck that fucking knife right into his chest when she's like, he already couldn't speak.
And she's like, oh, like, you deserve this.
Like, just take your time.
And then also tell me what it means for all your family to be, like, your brother on the bag and all those hours of work that got him.
Like, that question was after he had already.
I see that you're weeping right now.
You're a grown man weeping on TV.
What does it mean all those years of work?
Tell me about that.
Maybe that'll help you stop crying.
She's a pro because she knows tears are going to play.
And that is by far the number one clip I've seen since he won.
Bro, but she asked the kids.
The tears are already there.
No, but she knows they've ever seen.
Keep them going.
Keep these tears rolling.
Keep them going.
It did humanize them.
I would say, Frankie, the biggest compliment you just gave rigs there is you compared
DJ winning the Masters in his video of crying to Riggs's crying video in fine her.
Well, I know, but like, I had to sneak that in there because he's going to think that we're being, you know, hypocritical by saying that, or disingenuous about saying that we find it very moving and like a great moment that DJ wants to, like, is crying.
Those are different experiences.
I know there are extremely different experiences. And I, you know what, I, I want to take a rewind there. I wish we could do a rewind little, like, effect.
I actually don't agree with what I said.
I think that he's the one that should be crying.
I do not want to go back into Riggs crying at Piner's,
but we are fine with crying when the context matches the tears.
Okay.
I agree with that.
Thank you for right.
Thanks for Rangley.
It's not like there's only one's,
it's not like the only time you're ever allowed to cry is when you win the
master.
Is that the only time you're ever allowed to cry?
No, but I think we're allowed to see now I'm back on my own side.
I think we are allowed to pick and choose when people are allowed to cry.
That's our new thing now.
So is it when Alan comes out for the night show?
Is that when you're allowed to cry?
Maybe, maybe.
No, maybe.
He's gotten a lot of ridicule for that.
That's one of the things that we ridicule them for.
Correct, yeah.
It's one of the biggest things I got made fun of at the office.
But I actually get it, and I love it.
I've always said that.
I've said, like, we'll bust your balls.
I think that's fire up.
Look, nobody should be comparing Dustin Johnson,
winning to fucking match me leaving piner.
I get that.
I completely understand that.
It was cool.
It was very cool.
His brother, his brother, like, tearing up on the side of the green before, like, right after they putted out.
That was really cool.
And again, like, we just talking about Pat Perez, like, these two guys who, again, get made fun of all the time because they're pretty, like, monotone.
They're pretty flat line.
They don't give you a ton.
People equate that or try to laugh, but, like, there's just not much going on up there.
Turns out, like, if they're getting that emotional in such a cool, like, there's clearly a lot more going on up there than you think.
And it meant that anything that means that much to, like, those guys.
is just great to witness.
That's why we're fans of sports.
That's why we're fans of golf.
And seeing that type of stuff out of them was just fantastic.
There's definitely more behind it.
And I think obviously people hammer on like,
oh, he doesn't have a lot going on up there.
But what he has been able to do,
which I bet a lot of people are jealous of a lot of professional golfers,
are he has all world talent.
He obviously works incredibly hard at what he does and he's very good at it.
But he is somehow able to emotionally disconnect himself
on the golf course where each shot isn't make or break for him.
Like we've got almost every other golfer to a certain degree out there.
Whenever they hit a bad shot, it rattles them a little bit.
With Dustin, it doesn't seem to be able to do that.
So to see him show motion afterwards is very cool to know that it's in there.
But his ability to shut it all off out on the golf course but also have all that talent
is an awesome combo.
And I think I saw Rory say something to that effect where he's like,
He's got the best approach to the game that anyone has because he's able to do those types of things.
And it's very impressive.
Yeah, I mean, he is like to downplay, you know, like his mental side, I think is outrageous.
I mean, I think perspective is 100% on his side.
When you talk about Chambers, I mean, he has his first put to win.
He has his second put to go to a playoff to still of his chance.
Third put, obviously he loses and he gets in the car and says like, yeah, that's just a golf tournament.
but for him to be able to, yes, have won the talent, two, the ability to practice,
compete and get better every day, and then three, have the mental fortitude to beat
everybody else who's at the top of their game in this sport.
I mean, he's obviously, like, a very, like, intelligent, competitive and, like, just poised
professional in the moment.
And I think, I mean, that he is that to the 10th degree.
Yeah, and I almost like we don't, like, we do mention the mental side of golf a lot,
especially pertaining to our own games,
but like I still don't think it gets enough credit.
Like golf is mental.
Dustin Johnson and John Rom are not different.
Like there's not a discernible difference in their actual skill set.
They're just the same golfer.
It's mental.
And you saw Rom after or during the eighth hole when he hits a good drive.
He hits like that low boned like hook into the trees,
then tries to.
hit kind of a hero shot out of there that hits a tree and goes into the bushes.
And there was somebody who was on site tweeted out that, like, they weren't sure if it was
caught on TV, but that Rob was over on the side, like going off in Spanish to himself,
losing his fucking mind.
And we've all witnessed it.
We saw it at TBC Sawgrass when he decided to go for that one on, I think it was
the 11th and hits it in the water and melts down.
Like we've seen it over and over again.
And Dustin Johnson, for all the different things that have happened to him, we've mentioned
a few of them already.
but at Oakmont, when he did win his one prior major,
he had the infraction on the fifth green or whatever it was
where his ball moved and they came out and penalized him,
but they told him like they weren't sure if they were going to penalize him,
and he had all that shit going on.
And he battled mentally through Oakmont,
which is maybe the toughest golf course on planet Earth
to get an incredibly impressive in his first major championship win there,
roasted a drive on 18, hit like a six iron right at the flagstick
and made a sweet birdie, walk off birdie.
So like his mental fortitude is much,
as we've talked about how close he's been and how he's had all these top tens and top
fives and hasn't necessarily got it done. Like for him to go out today, even, which we're
recording this Sunday night, and he bogeys four, he bogeys five, and you're thinking Cam Smith
looks good, these guys are getting back into the tournament. And then he just closed the fucking
door. Like he went back to work. He didn't let him bother him. He knew it was windy. He knew
the greens were faster. He knew conditions were a little tougher. And he went out and literally
tied the lowest round of the day when he teed off in the final round with a little.
four-shot lead. Like, that is so
ballsy to do. We see people back
up all the time. And, like, even
if you, even if they get it done,
even if they tee off with a three, four, five shot lead
and they win the tournament, it almost
always comes down to nail-biting
territory. And DJ just ran
away from the field, I like what Tiger Woods
used to do, where it's like, okay, is this
going to get close? Like, no, actually, he
teed off like Darth Vader and just wanted
to stop on everybody's throats. And DJ
was able to do that and then
also show sort of that
perspective and that emotion afterwards, it was just unlike anything that I expected to see
from Dussle Johnson. And now he has jumped into that sphere. I mean, he's got a couple majors.
He even alluded to, like, maybe this will be the thing that kind of opens the door. He just
asked in his post-round presser, like, do you know, they're like, do you want to win like six or
seven majors? He's like, yes, I think a lot about I would like to win like six or seven major
championships. And there's no reason that he couldn't do it. He pounds the ball. He's taken away
the left side of the golf course. He hits that fade almost exclusively. He hits it very far.
It hits it high. His putting now is fantastic. His touch is just really good. And his mental side is so
strong. So DJ this year has been the best player. That's what happens when you win the FedEx Cup.
Clearly you're the best player. He was in the mix very much down the stretch. And he's in the final
group at the PGA championship. And now he's won the Masters tournament pretty much in dominating
fashion. You know, they were top three players in the world were all tied for the league going
into the weekend. And he beat all of them by more than five shots. And he beat, or by more than
four shots, no, more than five shots. And he beat Cameron Smith and M by five shots. So he just
completely dominated. It was very, very cool to see. And I think we'll be rooting for him and
expecting a lot of them going forward. Roy McElroy, on the other hand, it's going to be seven
years when we get through Augusta. It's going to be almost seven years since the last time that he won a
major championship. He ended up finishing tied from fifth, which is incredible. He started off with a
75 to kind of take himself right out of the tournament. He had the moment on 16, which we're going to
throw that clip in right now. On the 10th of 16. That's so bad. Oh my God. This is just cannot
I can't believe his follow through now. He's got no trust.
Where, I mean, everyone was birding the 16. We were actually doing, like, green and reg bets where it was, like, minus 300 to hit the green regulation.
We were just hammering it on the Barstall sportsbook because nobody can miss the green on 16.
Rory missed 15 yards into the water on 16 and just gives this little, like, that's so bad. Oh, my God, lie that I think was.
I mean, we've all been there before.
but his first round he started off with the quadruple 8 at Royal Port Rush and ended up missing
the cut there he just can't really figure it out in his first rounds we as frustrating as it is
to watch somebody like Rory McElroy with all the talent in the world and every all the tools
and all that shit as a frustrating as it is for us to watch he must just sit awake at night and
just stare at the ceiling being like I this is the most frustrating thing in the world the fact
that it's going to be seven years since he's won a major uh
is stunning whenever we bring it up.
But like I said, as crazy as it is for us to think about it,
and while we're watching him play,
Rory just has to, like I wouldn't be able to sleep if I were him,
just knowing how good I am.
I've got four majors.
I'm still really good.
He's still really good on a consistent basis,
but he just puts himself out of it.
And then backdoors, top tens, and top fives, like it's his job.
If he could just play the first round competently,
half competently, he's going to rail off wins.
but he just can't do it.
And that has to be the most frustrating thing in the world.
So frustrating,
but we just talked about it with Dustin Johnson
and how,
you know,
this guy's been there,
but,
and I also rattled off,
like what it takes to win this thing
and how close it can be.
And it's that one mistake.
And yeah,
it's fucking frustrating.
But like,
I don't know.
I just feel like he's probably not in,
like,
in as bad of a headspace as we probably think,
because the guy's fucking cashing in checks being in these top tens.
And you just know that he's like,
he probably thinks,
Like, hey, it's just going to happen soon.
Like, the floodgates are going to open.
I'm here.
I'm fucking, I'm top 10ing.
I'm one of the top players in the world consistently,
even though I'm not winning majors.
I'm doing it.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm not getting it done on Thursday,
but like he's fucking there on Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
He's playing major championship golf.
And I know that's probably like to us mortals and us muggles,
it's probably impossible to deal with.
But I feel like for these guys,
it's almost like in hockey where it's like,
let's just stay the course.
And it doesn't matter what the scores right now,
but things are going to start having.
And if we keep this up, like, goals are going to start coming.
I feel like Rory has to be thinking that way or else you will drive yourself insane.
Like, to be that high of a level player, you have to think that way.
So I'm, like, on the opposite side of you.
I think that, like, he is in a bad mental space.
Really?
On Thursday rounds and, like, early in competition.
And then he plays more freely on the backside when he's pretty much out of these tournaments.
And I think it's, like, when you, Frank, you brought up a good point about Bryson, like, not having a good round at Augusta.
now we're just crowning him a champion before he even gets there.
Like he hasn't played good golf there.
And like I think that starts to creep into these professionals' minds when we say,
yeah, there's no discernible difference between ROM or a DJ.
It's literally this space between their ears that makes them go.
And I think Rory now is to the point where he is like so, I don't know, tightly wound, obviously,
but like stressed in that first round or something that's just not so free-flowing.
And then when he's...
Do you think he's free-flowing when he's out of the...
Like, he's like chasing the major.
Yeah, but I think he's just like in his home course.
Like, if we played Pat Perez at his home course,
he's just like very relaxed and going out and hitting shots
because he's kind of like he's out of the competition.
And now I'm not...
I'm more just focusing on the front.
I think that it is an actual thought that is in his mind
that is like he needs to figure out like a reason
or a way to relax himself because I don't think
that is the case.
And, you know, it's happened.
It's not like a one-off scenario.
This has happened many, many times.
He backed doors every top ten.
Right, but if he was sweet, I'd get it.
Like, he'd be fucking like, that's the guy who's staring at the ceiling
because he has the talent and he's not putting it together.
Rory's putting it together.
He's just like, it's just missing.
In a way, isn't that more, in a way, isn't that more frustrating?
Right.
I agree.
To be that close.
It's like, it's like a team going to the Super Bowl, the World Series every year and not,
getting it as opposed to never making the playoffs.
And like having the players and like making the plays.
Like speed can't even make the play right now to feel like he should win this tournament.
Like Rory, he, I mean, he went like 63, 68, 69 or something like that to close out after
a 75 start.
Like he played the best golf pretty much potentially, you know, after the first day.
You know, I mean, yeah, I agree.
It's more frustrated.
when you have the skills.
And like to Frankie's point, like I do, you know, Rory had a child.
Like he's always been this perspective type guy.
He always talks about how he doesn't want to be Tiger Woods.
He doesn't want Tiger Woods his life.
He enjoys it.
He's able to go out and be relatively normal and that like.
So I think you're right.
He's not necessarily ruining his whole life over the fact that like,
oh, I finished top five every major.
But I do think there's an element of,
like there's a repeatable pattern on Thursdays versus Friday, Saturday, Sunday for a reason.
And I think that he very much wants to figure out that reason.
Like at the beginning of the year this year, he was finishing second, third,
like every tournament at the beginning of this year.
It was like, well, this guy has to win a major this year.
There's no way that he can't get off the major kind of shenai.
And all of a sudden, he just blows up in the first round of these majors and really takes himself out of it.
It's almost like it doesn't matter how well he plays the rest of the way because he's so far behind.
And that has to be infuriating to compare it with Speeth.
It's like, speed that doesn't matter.
Like he could never have won the tournament.
Never.
Like he never could have won this year's masters.
Whereas Rory, it's like, dude, if you just shot 69 instead of 75, like all of a sudden you and DJ are battling mono-imano down the stretch in the back night at Augusta.
And 69's really not that hard for Rory to shoot at Augusta.
So, you know, I don't know.
I think, like, he had a kind of a deflating press conference after his second round where he was like, yeah, like, I was playing so well coming in.
And I played so well in the second round.
I think he shot like 66.
And he's like, and then I shoot 75 in the first try.
He's like, I don't know where that came from.
And that's got to be such a frustrating feeling.
But then again, he could just be home with his kid right now and like, yeah, I don't really give a fuck.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Yeah.
I think it's just easier.
I know it's fucking, it's like, it's either.
one way or the other. It's either easier to keep to, in your brain to go to sleep at night knowing
that you're a top 10 major machine and you're back-doring yourself into just being in the mix
and you're one of the top players in the world, or would you rather be the guy who's not even
making the cut and just can't play golf right now? Or are you, like, killing yourself over one or two
missed shots to win all these majors and, like, I mean, or, you know, finish top five, whatever it is.
Like, I don't know. I think it's one or the other. There's no, there's no in between. Like,
It's like you take it in stride or you fucking get punched right in the chin.
Boy, boy, it would be great to ask him, you know.
It would be great to pick that brain.
Yeah, that would be the most interesting interview we've ever done.
That would be so, so cool to ask him all these questions, but he fucking despises it.
Probably because of you, Trent, but we'll never know.
That's not true.
Well, you're the oldest blogger here.
You were writing blogs.
You love Rory.
You love Rory.
much that you probably scared him away.
You've written about Rory McElroy
in every part of his life so much
that he probably hates you for it.
How is that?
I can see that being true.
Well, let me tell you,
I didn't think Barcelona sports
is going to get this big.
I don't think we're going to be
face to face with these people, all right?
What's nothing is like,
I don't think we've ever said
one bad thing about Rory Mcarroo.
It's always been like positive,
like, cool, or like maybe some funny stuff.
But like it's always been,
like we've gone in,
on Bryce and D. Chambot.
We've gone in on Ian Poulter, who also fucking hates us.
Like, there's people that, like, we don't really, like, back.
And Rory's a guy that we back pretty goddamn consistently.
It's kind of crazy.
Like, crazy.
We've always defended Rory.
We've always talked about how he's maybe the best,
one of the best stars in all of sports, like, just for sport.
He's candid, he's honest, he's open.
He's very genuine.
He's such a stud.
Like, his swing is so beautiful.
Like, he's the best, and he just doesn't like us.
He actively buried his head into the brick fucking walkway at Wingfoot
because Frankie and I were walking right past him
and were like staring at his face trying to get some sort of their action.
He almost buried himself in the bushes to avoid us.
Maybe we're a little hard to get.
Maybe we're too desperate.
Well, I mean, we're desperate right now.
But like, I thought that when we were walking down that walkway at Wingfoot
that he was actually going to pull up, what was that?
And just walked the other way.
That's how bad it was.
What was that?
Because we were just
eye to eye, about to just hit,
and he just fucking went, like,
it was like a movie, see where he put his hand in front of his eyes
and looked the other way.
I'd never see anything like it.
That's crazy.
I do think he's the most fascinating guy in golf.
I know he's got a lot of personalities.
We got Bryson, we got J.T., we got DJ.
But Rory is just like,
there's so much to him that I would love if we could speak to him.
be great.
I think he's pretty good.
Your love to him.
I do love him.
I know.
It's clear.
He's the best and he just doesn't like us.
So it's very sad.
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Okay.
We've got Augusta National.
We talked about it again with Pat Perez a little bit, but a few little tidbits.
One, that video of the range balls just like appearing from underground in the driving range.
that was awesome.
That was everything that I want to see
at Augusta National.
And that was some,
that's some Wonka factory shit.
When that stuff happens,
when things start to appear and disappear,
that's some,
or some Santa Claus,
Tim Allen North Pole shit.
Like when it's just,
I can't wait to watch that movie.
The other night,
when I was in Philly
before the Wisconsin-Michigan game,
Home Alone came on the TV,
and it got me jazzed up for Christmas.
I'm skipping right over Thanksgiving,
and I'm dead.
diving right into the Christmas movies.
Was it with you that we were rattling off Christmas movies?
I don't know.
I was rattling off Christmas movies as someone.
And then I said Santa Claus, Tim Allen,
and whoever I was talking to was like, ooh,
like it just makes you think about, you know, Christmas.
That's a great one.
That is, that makes, that gets me more in the Christmas mood than probably most,
maybe any other movie.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe just because I grew up with it.
Yeah, I'm telling you.
More than Home Alone?
Like Home Alone, too, New York?
I love Home Alone 2 in New York.
I'm telling you, bro.
I think it's because, like, I went to sleep watching the Santa Claus.
Even in, like, even, dude, I used to have, I used to go to sleep.
I couldn't go to sleep without the TV on.
I'm still like that.
It's probably why I'm all demented.
You were probably such a pest as a little kid.
I actually wasn't.
I never had, like, cable vision.
I never had cable, literally until I was in, like, high school.
I didn't have cable in my room.
It was just like a PlayStation.
and DVDs.
I had a million DVD.
I went to sleep
to the 2000 Yankees
World Series DVD.
I went to sleep
to Benchwarmers.
Dude, I'm telling you,
it's just,
you know when that
fucking DVD
menu music plays on?
It was like crazy.
For a year,
I went to sit
to benchovers.
I don't know why.
And then for some reason
the Santa Claus
even like from fucking
the end of August
till January,
just Santa Claus,
Tim Allen in my fucking head
all day.
Well, I love that movie.
I fucking love it.
It's a very good movie.
I don't disagree with you.
I think, go ahead.
What?
I don't know how we got on that, but.
Well, we were talking about the ball just appearing from underground at Augusta,
which is, you know, I didn't, that video I thought was just surprising.
I don't know if those, if the buckets of balls just, like, go to ground level so you can just pull them out of there.
If they actually come up, there's like a conveyor belt system, like the fucking airlines up.
I don't know what that was, but I saw that.
And they were just, they were just doing it so casually that, you know, it was like everybody was in on the whole thing.
and it was so surprising, but yet so not surprising.
You just see something like that at Augustin National.
And then the other Augusta tidbit is a great Luke Donald tweet
where he said, little known fact,
but the cameraman in the tower behind 12
will throw you a mini chocolate bar
if you give him a nod on your way to the 13th seat.
Love that.
What's that even mean?
What a reputation to have.
That's amazing.
How good is that?
I'd fucking laugh out loud when I saw that.
Give the guy a nod and he throws it.
he a little like a Snickers bar or something?
You got to make eye contact and give him a little.
And then he just off shoot him.
Right.
Like how does he decipher what is like a chocolate,
a nod that is deserving of a chocolate bar?
I feel, I don't know.
I don't know.
He just tweeted that out.
And I was,
I mean,
I saw it.
And I want,
I want footage now of like this guy raining chocolate bars on a people when they
go to the 13th.
Right.
You got some guy nodded for five minutes for a chocolate bar.
He was just trying to get his attention to this.
You're just head-banging at some point?
Like, what do I have to do to get a fucking chocolate bar?
Also, for the range balls that appear, if top golf can have it, like Augusta has to have it.
So, like, at the end of the day, that one doesn't surprise me as much because I think Augusta does everything as much as efficiently as possible.
So balls raising from the ground or just that concept, they saw it somewhere and they made it better and more efficient.
And that's just what Augusta does.
They look at the way the world works and they make it better.
Well, so I think that's like more than that because it's really just, it's a hill and
you're like, you can't see this little like bucket that they're in because he just,
the guy came and replaced the balls, but you can't see the range balls like present.
And so that's like more of a design where the camera level can only be at 82 feet because
if it's at 87, you potentially see over that little like nook and see the balls.
So everybody's in on it.
And like to ask when we ask Pat Perez of like what name?
makes it different. I think it's got to be that these people are doing the master's gig for the last
50 years where just every other tournament, they're coming in for a week and they're gone.
But these people care, they're doing every little piece, and it's like the thing.
The other thing I was going to say is like August, it's great that they're better than any other
tournament, fine. But it helps when, like, Augusta National has more money than most governments.
And also, like they've been doing it, like you said, for 80 years, 90 years they've been
running the master. So you're just going to like get better every year and learn logistically
where this goes, where that goes and how people. So like, yeah, of course it's fucking perfect.
It's Augusta, which I like to hear, it's better than not being perfect. But it's a large
advantage when you just have unlimited money and you do the tournament every year and you can just
figure it out. And the place goes dark except for four days a year. Like it goes other, like if there's
other tournaments and other golf courses, people will go play there. They'll do whatever. Augusta National,
just like nothing happens there that anyone sees.
for 361 days and then it happens again.
And like that's a great way to be able to sneak in things
that you want to improve upon.
Like what's that committee like?
What is, do they have young, like people who are like,
all right, I'm either going to work at NASA
or I'm going to go be part of this Augusta National Committee
and think about all the crazy shit we can put in here?
Like who compiles the committee of like thinking up new
and better ways to do these?
Because I can't imagine it's 75, 80 year old members
is thinking about this shit.
No, you're right.
They have a whole team and employees and shit that they hire,
but they have to be incredibly smart.
And I guess, like, if you're in any way a golf fan
and Augusta National opens up a job application
for you to come work on, like, you're going to take that.
I mean, even if one of the perks,
you just get to play Augusta, like, once ever,
you're in.
Like, I'll take the job right now because that's sort of the whole goal in life
is to be able to do that.
Like, I think I picture a bunch of, like,
Batman has Lucius Fox.
I feel like they have a bunch of Lucius Foxes who just think of new things to put into Augusta National.
But yeah, I wonder also to Lurch's point, like, how much of it is, like, illusion and, like, we don't really know, like, how it gets done.
Like, you know, some people say, I mean, I keep calling it Disney, but, like, if you turn the lights on and all these old school Disney rides that you find are magical, it's just, like, a 75-year-old Floridian man, like, retired man that's, like, moving Peter Pan, like, really closely to your face.
You don't realize it?
It's wearing all, like, it's a little bit dicey, like, if you turn the light pan.
But, like, at night with all the fucking lights off, it's like, oh, my God, it's Peter Pan, it's ET.
But you don't know what, you don't know what's going on at Augusta.
You really don't.
It might be a little more smoking mirrors than I'm giving a credit for.
You know?
Yep.
But I'm fine.
I think we're all into that.
Totally.
The other side of it, the other side of that I would love to see is we kind of, like, brush on it,
is like their financials of like what their innovation budget is for next year is probably
just like an infinity symbol like anything goes like there's no like budget anywhere it's just like
no we'll just get more money from the members like if we need to build something if we think
that's cool we'll just get more there's no the first year we were there the first year we were there
they had just built that new merch building and i remember talking to somebody who had been there
the year before it was almost standing in awe like looking at like this
was not here last year. It just popped up out of nowhere. And that's what they can do. And they
shut down, they have unlimited money. You can do just about anything you want. And it wasn't just
that it appeared. It was like a shopping mall where quarter-zips came out of a shoot in the ceiling.
And it was just like, holy fuck. And they just, it just erected itself in a year. And you're right.
Like, I remember we talked last year a lot about, or maybe a couple years ago, about, like,
what do you think the turtles in A. A.man Corner? Like, the A.man Corner, what do they think? Like,
They're there for 360 days.
It's fucking calm.
It's serene.
It's beautiful.
And then like 200,000 people just arrive and are going bananas and going crazy.
And then everything's just gone.
And it's green again.
And they must be like, man, was that a dream?
Or like, what just happened at this place?
Because it's so quiet all the time.
It's just such an interesting place that we'll never know everything about.
That's part of the charm.
But just, if you just sit and think about Augusta National, it's, it's an interesting,
interesting place.
It's funny.
And the money spent is probably stuff that you don't even want to hear about.
Like, I played this one place, Baywood Green, I think it was called.
It was in Delaware.
And they had, like, a sign.
Like, we spend a million dollars on our flowers each year or something crazy.
Like, it's like the thing that everyone knows about.
And, I mean, there was, like, there was a lot of flowers.
But August, I mean, I can't even, like, what?
What would you put a number on?
They wipe their asses with a million dollars worth of flowers.
Is it like,
is it like a hundred million dollars?
I just have no idea.
When you,
what's the number large?
I don't know because like that,
that app,
I don't know what it took to build,
but that thing is alive for four days a year,
five days a year.
And now it's just gone.
Like nobody opens that app for a year.
That thing must have cost them millions to do.
Everything that they do is,
like, what?
Like, is that, like, is Augusta a billion dollar golf course?
Like, like, the Yankees cost a certain billion.
Like, is Augusta, like, a $2 billion golf?
Like, what is the value of Augusta National?
Yeah, if you came in, if you came in, you're like a Saudi prince and you said,
hi, I'm going to buy Augusta National.
What is that number?
I think it's tens of billions.
Yeah.
They might just, just on brand recognition alone.
Right.
they might just put the infinity symbol on a piece of paper and just slide it back.
And so every dollar you'll ever get comes to us if you want to buy this place.
Like, it's impossible to guess the number.
Back to that, the app for a second, it is, it's the sleekest app that you'll ever see.
And also, Riggs showed me something while we were sitting on the couches in Philly,
that there's, it has a picture and picture feature that I've never seen any other app do
where you close out of it, but the screen stays on.
your phone. No, no, no, no. Trent, hey, Trent, you old, that's just a new iOS update, pal. You can do that
with maps. You can do that with photos. You can do that with fucking Twitter. You can do it. I mean,
why don't you just get like, you're a fucking whole, you and your fucking Dylan Fratelli,
whatever that guy's name is, glasses. Aren't you fucking, why don't you just, on your
read, oh, Ogletree we were calling him, why don't you read up on what the new kids are doing with
iOS, whatever it is?
All right. All right. Old. Do we need to get you a new pair of new balances and will you buy the fucking,
wheel you buy a fucking window, the corner seat? You want a new fucking, you want a new recliners?
You can watch, I don't know. All right. Have your fun. Take your shots. All right. I just didn't
update my phone. I get it. Fuck. God. Someone hurt, though. I didn't mean to call you for tell you.
It was very funny. We were talking about, we're like, man, Ogletree's got these very basic lenses and
frames and then I think the whole room just looked at Trent was like I like him though man
Trent rocked that shit I do I do think you should upgrade your frames I took a picture once
Trent where he had those new style frames and holy fuck was he a sex god I mean I I have the
picture I think favored it on my phone you know you can have like a favorite album it's crazy
how good Trent looks in those new style frames I would I would I'll pay for your new frame for you to
wear them that's how much I want you to look good enough I got a I got a
I got update my phone.
Great storyline that was developing throughout the week
was Patrick Reed and used golf facts.
Use golf facts had tweeted essentially this Matt.
So use golf acts, obviously just Dean Reed,
had tweeted out,
no one should be awarded a major championship,
nonetheless a green jacket at the Masters
without the pressure and excitement fans bring.
Having fans at majors is just like having fans at a Ryder Cup.
Why have a major with no fans, no Ryder Cup,
should be same for majors.
And then Patrick Reed was just in the lead
or right among the leaders of the tournament
going into the weekend.
And that storyline,
and it really started to develop.
Patrick Reed was playing good fucking golf.
I think he was one of the guys at 8 under
when everyone was at 9 under going into Saturday.
And man,
if he would have been coming out on top,
watching at you's golf facts
and what that account would have been saying
would have been quite interesting.
So that was a good storyline that was developing.
Yeah, she just went silent.
too as you started playing good golf.
Usually that account is very active during major tournaments if Patrick Reed is on the
cut line or, I mean, we would have heard a lot about mud balls.
We would have heard a lot about the, like the greens and everything.
And we didn't hear a peep how to use golf bags for most of the golf tournament,
which is very, very, very hypocritical of that account.
And I want them to know that I'm watching that closely because, I mean, you can't have it both
ways.
You can't complain every single time Patrick Reed plays golf and then the second he plays
well, it's fucking deactivation time on the old Twitter machine. That's not fair. You have to
hit him. Even if Patrick Green is going to win it, you have to say it's still bullshit.
A few other notables, just real quick. Brooks Kevka finished tied for seventh. His interview
afterwards on Sunday, he was not happy with his play at all. He said he felt horrible about it.
It was obviously pretty rattled. Justin Thomas also looked very dejected when he finished up on
18. He ended up finishing solo fourth. He again was right there. Good.
rounds on Thursday, good rounds on Friday, and ended up really not being much of a factor on the
weekend. Zander Shoffley was never really in contention, never really threatened, which I think was
surprising. You know, a decent round Thursday, but never got it going. And then John Rahm, who we discussed,
I mean, there was a point when he finished up his round on Saturday morning, his second round,
where he got to nine under and everyone's pretty much thinking like this guy's going to get to
11 or 12 under and start the weekend with a few shot lead. And from that point on, he really,
never ended up being much of a threat.
And then our guy, Kevin Kisner, missed the cut.
So sad for Kiz, I think that we pretty much
probably saw that coming.
It was long, playing soft.
That's not Kiz's game necessarily.
So he ended up missing the cut.
I think he was three over bar.
Big shout out to the tracker community,
which Dave Portnoy was just all over this weekend.
As we were betting, he was betting Shane Lowry
to kind of beat Tiger
because those were some of the odds
that were up on every hole.
And so he was hammering Lowry. He's not a Tiger guy. And then just started following the Lowry Tracker, which just turned Lowry Tracker's world upside down. He didn't know what was going on. Then Speed Tracker and all these other trackers started like, you know, supporting him in the golf tracker community. So that was a very funny thing to witness.
I think we have just scratched the surface of this tracker community. And what it's all about, what the hierarchy is, who decides to do this. Like I know we were,
like the thing that Dave was doing with the Shane Larry Tracker was very funny.
And we sort of got an inside look onto what goes into tracking an individual player that's not Tiger Woods.
But I really think the whole tracker community, I really think we've always scratched the service on how weird that group of guys is.
But they're great.
Like Tiger Tracker is great.
He has spawned the entire generation of trackers.
He retired.
What?
I mean, he retired.
He retired.
He said the last eight years have been in.
He wrote a whole blog.
I mean, Tiger Tracker hung him up to the rapids.
I think he said there's going to be a hiatus, but I don't know that he retired.
How could they just retire that?
I'd be like that's MJ retiring in the mid-90s.
He's got to come back.
What's it?
What?
I've got it.
It's been a wild, fun, eight-year run here that's taken me to places I've never dreamed.
As I've said, there's a lot of uncertainty, which is likely to lead to a hundred-year run.
hiatus. Thanks for the memories and hopefully we'll be in touch down the road. Hashtag T.T.
Forever. It feels like it just felt like one of those retirements. That is like the saddest thing I've
ever, I've ever read. I think we're going to get, we're going to get the Michael Jordan
home back. He's going to play baseball. He's going to play baseball and he's going to come back.
Just a little, I mean, golf channel's just going to retweet that, quote, retweet that and just say,
we'll find somebody new. I mean, like, what do you mean you're going to retire?
It's like the best thing that they do.
Yeah, it's true.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I think, I don't know.
I think that Golf Channel, like,
oh, we lost Trent again.
Trent has the worst fucking wide.
We have tornadoes.
We have tornadoes.
Yeah, but like,
your internet can't handle wind.
Like, come on.
That's New York City for you, though.
It's an absolute fucking joke.
And there he comes.
And they're always sideways.
Oh, no.
All right, now he's sideways.
you guys making fun of me right now?
Oh, you're just sideways.
Trent, you got to hit that little button on the side.
There you go.
There you go, Trent.
Can you hear us?
You guys are making me feel like Mike Portnoy right now.
You have us, Trent?
Are you back?
Okay.
I'm back.
I'm back.
Okay.
Where did we land on Tiger Tracker?
What's going to happen?
Riggs says he didn't know.
Well, I think he,
look, I think that they grew that account,
that people that are right,
or people that are on the editorial staff at Golf Channel grew that account,
and they probably really want some ownership of that account because it's very valuable.
And they're making cuts,
and I bet that's extremely messy.
So I don't know what the hell they're doing.
I think Tracker runs that account as well as the tracking account can possibly be run.
It is.
They don't miss a shot.
They don't miss a detail.
They're fast.
They don't miss when Tiger's going to appear somewhere.
When he makes an announcement, they do it with personality, with flair.
It's not like robotic.
It's not predictable.
It's great.
And there's a lot of value in that.
But I mean, he fucking tweeted hashtag TT forever.
Right.
So it is crazy because if you think back,
I think probably the most recent tournament
was the only one they've ever missed.
So like they've,
Tiger Tracker Twitter account has tweeted out
every single golf shot Tiger Woods has hit
for the last eight years.
That's fucking outrageous.
Like literally each shot and where it ended up
and his proximity to the hole, which is nuts.
So that's pretty fucking good.
I mean, Tiger Tracker has like 46,000 tweets.
So, I mean, they've been putting it into work.
And the hiatus exposes its value, right?
Like, when it goes on hiatus, people freaked out.
They were like, I'm going to be at work when he's playing.
I'm going to be at work nine to five.
How can I track Tiger when Tiger tracker isn't tracking Tiger?
I mean, this is going to be, there's going to be like a Supreme Court trial over who gets to
run this account. Who's the guy, Aaron Sorkin, the guy who writes like social network and
like the Chicago stuff? There's going to be a movie in five years about like Tiger Tracker.
Tracking Tiger, it's going to be called and it's going to be a fucking unbelievable documentary
that we're going to watch. Here's another thing. I just want to go back to the other,
to show how good Tiger tracker is. Dave was, I mean, Dave was betting, whatever, responsibly.
Thank you, Barso's sports book. Also, just a real quick shout out. The best sports book in
the world. If you're in Pennsylvania, you're over 21 and you have the Barstle sports book.
It is a no-brainer. We were cashing out before things were even happened on TV. It's the fastest
app. There was free play. There was free play for your first deposits. It was an incredible
experience. I had so much fun doing Barstall Sportsbook. Me too. So Dave was in on that.
And he was on Shane Lowry. And Shane Lowry tracked, Dave was faster than Shane Lowry tracker.
Dave had massive amounts of action going around.
all the place responsibly.
And he was like, what is happening?
Where's Shane Lowry?
Because obviously they're not showing him.
And we're looking on the app.
And Shane Lowry's like, sorry.
Like I don't have like my phone.
My Wi-Fi's dead.
My power's out.
My phone's about the die.
Like, dude, Tiger Tracker is there for you when you need him.
And he's always there even when you didn't need him.
He's just tweeting out what Tiger Woods is doing.
And that's what all trackers need to do.
And my last point on the trackers is there's a March Madness tracker that like tweeted
it out when Dave followed Shane Larry, this is how much this means to this community.
When Dave followed Shane Lowry, there was a, there was a breaking news tweet from this March
Madness Tracker account that said, breaking news. Shane Lowry Tracker just got the biggest follow
in the tracker community since Phil Mickelson once retweeted Phil Mickelson Tracker four years ago
after the AT&T. They are such a diehard community. It is absolutely fucking crazy. Like I couldn't
believe there was people going congratulating
shane lowrie
this is the biggest moment for you like let's go
it's it's a hell of a community
it's a hell of a community look
they're so committed to their craft and
some of them are better than others and we
realize that quickly like there's
you know the speith tracker guy
who I like DMs me a decent amount
does a great job and I
I actually follow the speed tracker
and I follow the Rory tracker because
you know Tiger I'm pretty much
going to be glued in every shot and I'm not going to miss it much.
But these other guys, Speed, Roy, like, they're not going to be a feature group every time
time you know where they're at.
I love those guys.
So they actually pop up all my feet of like, oh, Speed 3-0.
And I'm like, oh, fuck, yeah, let's go.
So I actually think they do a pretty good job.
But I didn't anticipate their sort of sense of community for one another.
And their genuine happiness for another anonymous Twitter accounts success was just such a
beautiful storyline that I didn't expect to have.
Yeah, and a year where we don't have too many feel-good stories,
the tracker community might be the feel-good story of the year.
That's phenomenal.
And just, I know you rattled off the,
all the finishes like J.T. Rom.
It'd be crazy if I didn't mention.
I said that John Rom was going to be a no chance, no doubt,
no chance he was going to be in the top 10.
I say, he's not even going to sniff it.
For a time today, look, I think he backed door to top
10 like on the last only made a birdie on 18.
I don't know if that got him into it or that pushed him from 9 to 7.
I wasn't paying attention at that point to him.
But I mean, boy, was I going to go on a little Twitter retweet and rant of the people saying,
like, I mean, this is the best golfer in the world.
John Rob's number do.
I mean, his odds are lost 300 to win the whole fucking thing.
You don't think he's going to be a top 10.
I mean, it was, I was right there.
I was absolutely right there.
He was playing like shit at one point and he was fucking bogey and screaming.
in Spanish and fucking, I'm like, oh, baby, let's go.
Let's do this.
And he fucking backdoored it because the guy went like three or four under in his
on the back nine.
He lit it up after he made this double bogey when he hit it in the water on 12.
He fucking lit it up.
He went like par birdie, birdie, par, birdie.
I was like, come on.
Can you just finished T12?
Like, I would have been correct.
So I was wrong, but I wasn't really wrong.
I was like, he didn't play the way everyone expected.
He finished T7.
Yeah.
So you were close to being very right, and you were going to shove it down everybody's
throats, which reminded me, you know, we, we were betting obviously live and we took responsibly
DJ to hit the green and two on eight.
And again, Frankie, right, it's one of those things where it's very infuriating.
Like, when we tweet stuff or we say stuff on the podcast or we put stuff on Instagram,
we're very much held accountable for those things and we have to own up to them and discuss
them.
these fucking people just get to roast us that are like,
no one hits the green on any.
You guys are fucking idiots.
What a bit?
What was like plus 300?
And DJ just tear dropped one with like a seven wood into the middle of the green
and we just want a bunch of money.
And I was like,
Frankie,
can you do your thing where you just go like retweet and roast all the people that were wrong?
And it does feel very good.
So if Rob would have finished outside the top 10,
I'm actually a little bit upset that we got robbed from you having that moment.
Yeah,
because,
I mean, he was,
he was rolling.
in the first two rounds.
Then he came out with like, what did he finish 22, 71.
So he really didn't like do, he really didn't do what he had to do to finish the top ten,
but somehow backdoored himself on that fucking back nine today.
I was keep my eye on it.
At one point I tweeted my buddy, I'm like, Ram's like T-15, 17 right now.
I'm like, I'm ready to go absolutely fucking crazy on Twitter.
Like it's like irrationally crazy because no one cares about John Rom missing the top ten,
but like I cared very much.
All right.
That was fun.
The Masters was great.
It was so much, it was so enjoyable on Thursday that we got lucky with the weather.
They got more golf and then we thought they were going to get in.
Yes, it was wet.
Yes, a few spots in the course looked like shit compared to how it usually looks.
Yes, DJ was able to go out and shoot 20 under, but like we talked about with Pat Perez,
it's not like those numbers were outrageous across the board.
Like they're pretty much on par.
DJ just went out and lit it up and played extremely well.
Seeing guys go through a main corner, you know, watching guys figure out and try to figure out the third hole
and that elevated green and watching guys chipping back and forth.
It was just so fun watching the Masters.
There was a moment when Tiger Woods is making a run.
On Thursday, he shot 400 and it could have easily been 6, 7, 8 under,
easily.
We would have made some more putts.
And we just were, it didn't matter that it was November.
We were just in the Masters.
Like, we were at Augusta.
There was golf everywhere on every television.
You could watch every shot on every hole.
It was so fun.
And I love the Masters.
And it's the next major.
It's coming up in April.
We obviously are going to have the West Coast swing, the Florida swing.
That's going to come before we know it.
It's going to be out holidays, that swing,
and then we're going to be gearing up for Augusta again.
So it's a very exciting time.
I'm sure we'll have more to talk about on this front
and more of the fallout from DJ and from the Masters wrapping up.
But thank you everybody for listening.
Thank you for Pat Perez for joining.
We'll be back on Thursday with our second show of the week.
Anybody have anything else to add?
I just want to give a shout out to Paulian.
She looked great today.
She was ready.
She was ready.
She knew that he was going to win.
And we all knew he was going to win.
And as soon as that punt dropped on 18, she was out there.
And that's not a critique.
That's not a criticism.
That's just, that's the right way to do it.
Like that was their moment.
He won the Masters.
She's been right by his side forever now.
It was just, it was quite a moment.
But she was ready.
She was ready to go.
So shout out to her.
She was.
She had a good jacket on.
And you're right.
She jumped right out there.
As she should, she's happy to see her boy.
It's a beautiful, you know, family, love story.
I like to see it.
So, congrats of Dustin Johnson and Paulina.
Way to go.
And we'll be back on Thursday.
Hit it hard.
Hit it hard.
Good hard.
