Fore Play - Masters Champion, Jon Rahm

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

2023 Masters champion Jon Rahm chats for over an hour (17:48). We discuss Augusta crowds embracing Jon, channeling anger into passion, four-putting the first hole, Riggs’ “stress-free” comments, Big Bang Theory trivia, and more. Before Rahm, Riggs and Frankie discuss an outrageous video coming out this week, Islanders playoff series, and the Barstool Classic hitting the West Coast.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot. His name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Nives because he always knites and across the green.

Broads 100. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. we were you going to go. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take $100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that hit with? It's ain't a hobby.

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I thought this would be like 25, 30 minutes. kind of a classic media hit. It turned into over an hour of me and Frankie just shooting the shit with John Rob. It was incredible. Best player on the planet, Masters Champion, a guy that we never thought we'd have a relationship with just because of the way that we've kind of gone about things and said, you know, we're a very reactionary podcast. If someone's pissing us off or if we see something on the coverage, we're going to talk about

on the pod. And then you meet a guy like John and he's so opinionated and so just like the way that He is so passionate about golf and genuinely cares about the way we're doing things, too. He seems like he's a big fan. And he never really realized the reach that we had. And he's even talked to like Josh Isner and our friends and guys that we know. And he's like, I didn't know that like that podcast would have such a big impact on like the way people saw me and shit. Like he had no idea.

And now going forward, I think you could tell him this in this interview. He really gets it. And he had a good time. Fucking crazy that we talked to that guy for an hour. It was great. It was on Friday. So I don't people listen to this on Tuesday. On Friday, we had him, and he just shot the shit.

Frankie was able to get a couple Big Bang Theory questions in. We're traveling all over the place. So we've got Trent's coming back from the Zurich Classic right now. Barstall Sportsbook was the official gaming partner of the Zurich Classic. I got, I believe we got, I'm about to take over the Riggs West Coast swing of the Barstall Classic. We've got four Barstall classics in the next eight days. We've got two in Arizona. We got one in San Diego.

We got another one at Palm Springs. We're going to be traveling all over the place. So recording this Sunday. It's just myself and Frankie Rahm actually chirps us a little bit for the whole crew not showing up. But again, we got people moving. We're filming videos this week, speaking of videos, and we're going to make most of this show about John Rom because he just won the Masters. He's the number one right player in the world. He's our guy.

He's cool. He likes like he. I love that he was aware that we would really talk shit about him, basically, about how we called him a lunatic. And he laughs and is very self-conscious about not self-conscious, very aware of that. And commented on that. He chirped me about the no stress thing. So he was, he's plugged into all of it, which I, which I fucking love. And he's an awesome dude.

And he's come a long way. I think people love him now. He spoke a lot about how clear it is to him that the tides have shifted a little bit, how much fanfare he's getting now, how much it means to him. So awesome interview on the logistics front, administrative front. We got a big video coming out Wednesday. We have probably, if people remember back to like October, I think we filmed these, we spoke about being at Taylor Made Media Day.

and we have Scotty and Tommy Fleetwood and they're in this video. We got all these guys. And we spoke about how we're, we decided to get a little bit wackier this year. Like we, we kind of came up with a plan and had a whack. This is the wackiest video I think we've ever filmed.

Yeah, I mean, this is a big one. I know that we really hype up the four man scrambles. We really hype up breaking 90. You know, the Scotty video has on its way to a million views that, you know,

the one club and obviously everything we do with Kalamorakow is huge. Tommy Fleetwood every time we do a video with him is huge. This time we had even more. time with Scotty Sheffler and Tommy Fleetwood. So on top of the videos, we always do with them, we said, we have this idea where we're going to see how we can make golf a little bit more athletic. We always have the argument, is it a sport? Is it an activity? Is it a hobby? So we incorporated essentially a obstacle course into the game of golf. So it was teams of, was it teams of, it was two v two. It was it was three v. three, if you include

the professionals. Okay, right. So, Scott, Tommy, and then four of us. Four of us. Yep. And basically it was like tag team obstacle course.

We had to do a lot of activities. The pros had to hit a bunch of ridiculous shots, including having to hit targets and hit the green from ridiculous places and have to hit awesome shots that, you know, you would only see a pro hit. And then we had to do outrageous fucking physical activities. It's hilarious. Scotty Sheffler gets so into it.

We have the, we have a master's. champion and Tommy Fleetwood sprinting down fairways laughing legitimately uncontrollably like trying to get these these tasks done and it was I'm telling you right now it's you're going to watch these guys in a light that you've never seen them before I love watching videos like this where you see the guy that you watch on TV do things that you would only see him do that on a four play video so Wednesday 7 p.m. Eastern time 6 o'clock central if you're watching on YouTube we're going to be in the chat. We're going to premiere it. We'll be talking about it. We're going to send it to Tommy. We're going to send it to Scotty. They're probably watching it live. It's a very fun video. Yeah, it's great.

You have to be ready for it because it's a big one. Dude, and we also never talked about the Colomoracawa video because we don't want to spoil it. But we said we were going to get a little bit wackier with these videos. And the last one that we just did with Colomoracawa is legitimately, I think, the funniest video we ever come out with. We did punishment pies where if we didn't hit the green from what was it 150 yards out if we didn't it was like 150 because i want to say he had like a nine or an eight iron or something because it was into the wind yep we had to hit the green if we didn't he would pie us in the face and then he said i'll do it the challenge as well if i don't hit the green you guys can pie me in the face and we're like holy shit best iron player in the world best iron

player in the world the guy can hit the green with his fucking eyes closed there's literally he doesn't need to even think he could just turn his brain off and hit the green in regulation he's 150 yards out he steps off and onto the ball four or five times change changes his club, talks about the wind direction. You could just tell the tenseness in his brain. And obviously you guys have seen like he's had a couple moments in real professional golf where he's like come down to like the pressure and things have got to him. And you know, people are chirping them on Twitter about now this video in YouTube.

He fucking just missed the green, hit it into the water. Never even had a chance. I would argue. I would argue it's like the worst shot he's ever hit in his life. And I think Dan's like that. Dan's around a lot and knows him decently well. and Dan was like, I've never seen him hit a shot that bad in my own. And it was the pressure of not wanting to get pied.

And I got to be able to take a fucking cream pie and just smack it in Colin Morikawa's face. He had the rest of the day, he had to have fucking whipped cream up his nose in his hair. He had to do legitimate. Like his team was not happy about it. He had to do commercials. He had to get into like clothes with Tiger Woods and like do like legit like like Nike like commercials, like actual commercials. Like it was crazy. Yeah, so that video is also on YouTube.

But we're kind of rolling right now with the with the Taylor Made guys. So yeah, Wednesday, 7 o'clock. It's a little bit more of that. It's a lot of fun. Shout out to Taylor Made. They make all this happen. They bring us down there. We get to partner up with their guys.

And they pretty much give us free reign and say, all right, you get this guy for a half hour or an hour. What are you guys going to do? And shout out. Credit to Frankie came up kind of with this obstacle course idea. Mike S.C. and the whole crew from Taylor Made worked really hard to go get all this different shit that we got. our guys, our producers, we were borrowing camera people, men and women running down the sidelines of this whole thing. We had drone going on. It was an insane operation. And you don't get another

chance to pull it off. It was like, this is going to take whatever five to 10 minutes once we say go. And that's it. You don't get to reshoot it. You don't get to take another angle. You don't get to like, that's just we had to do it. And we did it. So the video came out. And you like broke your ankle. I mean, like, I'm not going to say whether that helped or didn't help the video, but like you suffer, you're probably your worst injury you've had in like your adult life. I mean, that was, that was an insane injury. That had to be probably the worst thing it's happened to me physically like ever. I mean, I've hockey had some injuries, but I too, I mean, I got through it on the whole because it was, there's adrenaline. There's so much

fucking adrenaline. We wanted to win. And then it started to swell up. And I had to drive two hours, I believe it was to Miami airport and then hobble through. And I told that story on the show. I think about how I was crying walking through the airport. Like I just, the pain was so bad that I was crying, but I wanted to get home to Arizona so badly that I'm just walking through. But yeah, I mean, the video too, I remember seeing the footage right afterwards. It's the noise. The noise that your ankle makes during one of the competitions actually pops so loud,

and I hope it comes through on the edit. I don't know, Alex, if it does. Just wait until you see the edit. That part's incredible. It's a Cylton special. It's amazing. The fact that we got that on footage and the, noise of his ankle snapping is crazy.

So that's Wednesday night. Do not miss it. Thank you to everyone that did subscribe. We shouted out a bunch of names last episode and they did it. I saw we had like an influx of over a thousand subscribers just from calling it out on YouTube. So people are listening and they're doing it. So that's fun. We appreciate.

That's fun. You know what's probably not fun, Frankie, to have to get an update. I was, I've been riding the islanders. I took the one game I took down as Money Line. They won in OT. And it sucks when your team doesn't make it, obviously.

But one thing I did not miss is the stress. The anxiety of that game three, and now they're down 3-1, you were just at the game. I know that obviously stinks for you to get into it. But the anxiety in that game three, when the Islanders are down, two games to none, it tied late in the third. It was so unbelievably intense and I don't even have a team. And then when they scored a video of you spassing out, probably sums up, I think you, more than anything I've ever seen in my entire life.

And my brother in my group chat, after the Islander scored in game three and they win, they're like, Frankie must be going crazy. And I just sent them that video. And they every day have resurfaced the video being like, I think about this video every minute. They fucking love it. But yeah, man, the Islanders are just, they're not getting the calls. They're not getting the breaks, I feel for it because I'm pulling for the Islanders.

It's the highs and the lows. I'm going crazy when they win. And I'm very, very down when they lose. It's the kind of team that they are right now. They've backed into the playoffs, and I know I'm sounding like I'm kind of back into a corner. They're down 3-1. I'm not happy about it. They're taking a lot of penalties.

And just the refs don't like this style of play. And it's really fucking shitty to have to talk about officiating. And I feel like I'm shitting a lot. I'm complaining a lot on Twitter. But it's like it's not about the calls. It's about the fact that they're essentially acting like the way that the founders have played for four years is like illegal. Like this has never been an issue where. They start games taking two penalties in the first four minutes.

You're on a five on three. All of a sudden, yes, you could just stop the power play. Odds are you're just not going to stop a five on three. It's two nothing in a fucking heartbeat. The whole entire energy out of the building is sucked out. The hurricanes play some of the best team defense you'll ever see in like NHL history. Those guys are out of control. Brady Shea fucking Brent Burns.

These guys are nuts, slaving. They just suck you in. They play Islander style hockey, maybe just a little bit better. And if you're down to nothing, you're just dead. And it's just crazy. It's like goalie interference on a puck that the puck was out of the offensive zone. So it's like really what is he interfering at all? He got knocked into the goalie.

It's like how was that interference? Then the islanders have a power play. And let me talk to you about this real quick. And I'm done complaining after this. Matthew Barzell gets cross checked. They call cross checking. Then he gets a two minute embellishment call. He went flying into the boards.

How could it possibly be a cross check and an embellishment at the same time? Okay. If you're telling me that the guy got cross checked, wouldn't he have to then fall to the ground for that? Because if he stood up, if he was strong and he had integrity and he didn't embellish the call, if he was strong on his feet, right, there would never be a cross check. That would not exist. You're telling me the guy on the ice got cross checked to the ice.

So then how is it a fucking embellishment? How can both those things exist? I know what you mean. I've always hated when they call both, but I do get it to a degree. Like the guy could do something legal and the other guy can embellish it. Like he may have been going down, but he tried. I just sell it harder than he is. In that situation, I don't think they should have called that.

I do like, like in soccer, they don't call both. I don't think. Like, I don't think they ever could call both. They don't call a dive and a file. If it's one, I get that it's frustrated. I don't know how it can necessarily both. I've never liked when they do that. But I guess from a logic standpoint, like I do see that you could do something illegal.

Like, you could trip somebody and that person could like flail and sell it as well. I just think you give the embellishment then. Like, I just don't see how you can. to say like you got cross-checked but you also just fell a little too hard for my liking that's crazy because now it's just a matter of like how that ref feels at that moment like oh i thought that was bullshit you're going to the box too no it's either one or the other it's like you either got cross-checked or you didn't so if you saw the replay it's crazy he literally just gets thrown into the boards like there was no moment for him to like throw his arms up and lebron it but whatever

that's not why they lost they lost five fucking one it's like the game the game was over it's like it doesn't matter. None of that fucking ship. They lost five to them. None of that shit matters. So, um, it's just, it's a shame. Tuesday's a big day. The down three, one. We're going back to Borelli. So watch the streams. Stu finder's been an absolute fucking lunatic. The highs and the lows. Listen, I'm never going to fucking stop rooting for this team. They're going to grind. They have a great goalie. They got to start scoring. And we'll be, we'll be here until we're not. That's just how it's going to be. Um, if I had to like grade their performance right now, it'd be like a C plus. I think that they actually could be playing way better. Their defense has

no offensive ability right now. They can't get the puck to the net. And then guys like Horvatt and Lee and Barzell are getting shit on by the fans, but they're not touching the puck. You have to touch the puck to be good. And they're not like touching the puck. Like the D's not moving the puck. Whatever.

It is what it is. I'm fucking furious. You can see I'm getting purple in the face right now. I legit have like crazy high blood pressure with this team. This stuff matters to me, man. Like it matters to me a lot. I feel you probably need a nap. I feel you probably need a lot.

If you look back on the YouTube right now of how red I got when I was just talking about that dive, that embellishment call. I actually looked at my screen and I was like, dude, right now I could feel my face is a hundred degrees. It's crazy. You're redder than the Tiger Woods shot behind you. This is like, it's bad. My dad the other day on the ride home was like, you got to relax, man.

Like this is, you're going to fucking have a heart attack at the age of like 30. So maybe I do need to relax. But Tuesday's a big day. Not just with the I owners. Obviously go Iowner. So we're rooting for you, Frankie. We don't want you to lose your mind and die. But we also Barstool Classic.

We got some big names at the Barstle Classic on Tuesday. I think people are going to see. We got Max Homa, Colt Nose, Johnny Mansell, Corey Kispert, who's a big friend of the program, Jay Feely. I think a few people may have backed out or changed days. But some big names are going to be Barstall Classic. We got a whole crew coming out to capture social, get videos and stuff. So, yeah, we're busy. We're all over the place.

We got Barstall Classic stuff that'll be coming out all week. And then we got John Rom for the next hour on this show. So I hope people enjoy it. Shout out to Davis Riley, Nick Hardy. um when the team event down at the ziric barstall sports book the tent i saw um we were obviously down there throughout the week trant and uh marty mush were there throughout the weekend um bunch of people signing up i got to give because barcel sports book um just living and dying with elio with mr ice he's been saving me i've been making some bad plays um i'm on him tonight he's got

the oilers tonight six and i'm on that tonight pretty heavy i'm on that pretty heavy i was like walking out of ubs and i'm thinking And then, like, I was just like, I think, I think I'm going to go pretty heavy on that. Like, I, I think, I'm riding with the Iceman tonight for the Oilers. I just can see a nighttime Sunday playoff game just being fucking goal mania. Good. I'm on that, too. I'm on the over tonight.

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master's champion, number one ranked player in the world, John Rob. All right, folks, the last time we had this man on the show, which was a couple months ago, the only major championship he's played in since then. He won. We did a little bit of an introduction at the time, and we're not going to redo the whole thing, but I have to add to that intro. So I have to add that he is now the number one-ranked player on planet earth. He is the reigning, the current, the 2003 Masters Champion from Barica, Spain, which I hope I pronounce that correctly, John Rom. That was really good. I'm impressed. They have like, if you Google it, you can Google pronunciation. So I watched this 30-second thing on how to pronounce it correctly this morning. You got to learn how to roll your

arms real quick. Is that what you were doing? This guy. This guy was unreal at rolling his hours. I was doing this pronunciation. He was great. It's great to be a show again. Thank you guys for having me. So we obviously appreciate you coming on. I got to ask you because last time you were on, you said that you told this whole tale about how everybody thinks you're going to be a big drinker,

but you told the tale about being up at Silverlee, if how tequila appears to apparently make you play well. So did you have any tequila during the master's term? No, no, no, I did not. I did not. We had it later on to celebrate, but not during the master's. I figured you might have had some sense, which is obviously a nice spot to be. And somebody, last or earlier this week, somebody was telling us because we saw a master's flag,

and they were given us the rules on where the champion on his year can sign a master's flag. So are you even a couple weeks in, up to date on where on your year you can sign your master's flags? Me or my year in the center of the logo? That's at least what they told me. I gota, so I'm doing that. I had never heard that before, but yeah, that's what we heard. We heard that. Yeah, you cannot.

I don't know. I don't know if I can sign on a different year's logo. I doubt it. I know before that you can't sign on the logo because not that says bad luck, but they reserve that honor for champions. And luckily it's a logo where you have room to do it in the middle of, but others, yeah, they, I have no idea. Actually, I haven't asked.

But if it's 2023, I'm definitely taking advantage of it. How has this? How has the past couple of weeks been for you? Obviously, you've been in the limelight, when in the U.S. Open, and being so big from Spain and having an entire nation behind you. And now, all of a sudden, you've got America and the masters and no matter where you go. Now, you are a master champion. How has the last couple of weeks been? Has it been a crazy jump for you? Or have you kind of been business as usual? I think you got very close right there with what you said. Obviously, when I went to Spain, it was a much bigger reaction. to what I get usually in the U.S. I'm not there often, and obviously they make quite a big deal about certain things. When, after this wind, I've noticed here in the U.S. a massive shift as well. There could be many reasons why, but those cheers and those verbations are on RBC,

but I felt when I've lived my home here in Scotchow the last week, it's been very different. Now, I think it's because it's the Masters, is maybe the one event. that a lot of people that maybe don't watch golf all the time watch, maybe because it's my second major, maybe I don't know what it may be, maybe the year I've had, all those things combined. It's been, it's been very different. It's been really incredible to be embraced by the U.S. crowd as well. The way it is big has been amazing. The answer is because it's the Masters, man. I mean, I've got the flag on my wall. We're wearing it on our chest. It transcends the sport. It's, you are the champion of the, you are the champion

of the Masters tournament. Kids grow up all their lives being like, will I even get a chance to go there and see how green that grass is? And you not only get invited to go play in it, but you win it. Has that always been the goal for you to win the Masters? Have you always had the Masters circled, or was it just to just be the best? So yes and no, right? I mean, of course you want to win the Masters. It's a lot of Spanish history with it. Every great Spaniard before me has won the Masters. So, yeah, it's been. It's been a goal. It's been a goal. Yes. But I think for a lot of Europeans growing up, the Open Championship has a much more, it's a much bigger magnitude than it is here in the

US. Obviously in Europe, it has got a lot of tradition for Europeans as well, right? So in my mind, I don't want to insult anyone. The Open Championship was really up there, depending on the venue. If you can win an Open Championship in San Andrews, very few things in golf can compare to that. Right. Augusta has a lot of advantages by being always in the same, same course, same venue. And they can create certain traditions and some history that makes it what it is. But I think the open, like if you can win an open at Carnusti, if you can win an open at a Trune, St. Andrews, you know, Turnberry, even though we don't play Turnberry or Muirfield,

there's some iconic golf courses that, to me, would make it very important. I've heard that walk down 18 at the open when you have the lead and those crowds stand up and cheer for you is one of the best walks and golf, right? I don't know, I can't tell you, but I've been told that by Open and Masters champions. So it is important. Now, I also understand why for most of the world,

the Masters is the biggest thing, so I don't, not that it wasn't on my radar, obviously it was. I wanted to be a major champion. I wasn't going to be too picky with who came first, or even every game or not. So, but long story short, but it's out there with the open for me.

Shout out Zach Johnson, saying Andy's in Augusta. He just gets to do both of them. I mean, you have Sevi, Tiger, Zach, and I don't know how many grades I've been able to do both of those. Yeah, there's really not that many. With Zach Johnson in that list,

we've come to know Zach at this point, and he's just the nicest guy of all time, but when you throw Zach Johnson to that list, it makes me laugh every time because you just don't picture, you don't say that list in Zach Johnson very often. And that's nothing against him. It's just like, you know, you're talking the greats of all time. So that is amazing every time I think of him at St. Andrews and Augusta.

You mentioned that walk up 18 at St. Andrews. You got to do, you know, the closest thing or something that some people would even consider above it or equal to it, walking up 18 at Augusta with a pretty secure lead. After you hit that third shot in and you knew it was pretty much over, for me, I mean, even watching, I'm like standing up at my apartment, you know, and I'm like, I got chills. I'm all excited. Was it, do you remember it? Was it almost an out-of-body experience?

Was it surreal? What are kind of your takeaways now looking back from that moment? Well, some people might say that the last five holes were stress-free and not exciting. So I don't know. That was coming. I knew that was coming. Well, I already said in another podcast. I had to say it.

I'm surprised I don't need anything to you. But he did. He snuck it in. He takes his hat up. He goes, you know, I would, you know, it was probably anything but stress-free. And he, like, kind of looked away. No one else caught it. I asked him.

He told me it wasn't on purpose. Like, he didn't know. But he's smart enough to know. So I don't know. I, it was, I can say right now, it was one of the most amazing feelings I think I'll ever get in my life golf-wise. And here's why. I mean, you have the 40-year anniversary of Sevi's second win.

It is his birthday. Easter Sunday. Last time the Masters finished on Easter Sunday, Sergio won it, right? And I finished on the kind of like the most savvy style finish you can figure out, right? I miss up the T-shot, hit it up there, pitch it close, make the putt, right?

So walking up that far away, those 50 yards to the green, the ovation I got and the approval and the feeling from the crowd was unlike anything else. You know, it was the embrace was incredible, absolutely incredible. And I think, so what I think great things about Augusta is that they're aware of the history,

they're aware of the tradition, and that the feelings in the air are very palpable. Like, it sounds like anything else. Very few places can get that. And, you know, that's why I said it was the only time I've ever come close to crying on the golf course because everything was so overwhelming. But then, like Adam said, I try to reel it back together because making that three-footer was important. You know, to finish with the part was very important to us. So, I had to reel it back in, but it was incredible. I mean, to look around and see all those people standing for me was insane.

And I'm hoping I can do it again because it's something that is addicting. You want to feel that again. Yeah. I mean, I love how connected you are to the history of the game, how conscious you are to the history of the game. I think that's come, you know, clear to people in the last six, 12 months as you've gotten out there more. They've heard you speak more. You've weighed in on stuff. I think that's a big part of the reason, you know, you've felt more love is because for all of us, right, we love golf.

We love the history of golf. We're fans of golf. And to understand that, you know, this guy that we're watching who's the right now, the best player in the world who wins the Masters feels a lot of that same, you know, energy and is conscious of that walking up 18 at Augusta, I think to the fans, that's really, really cool. I think it can help, right? I think, definitely. I think being aware of that history and what's going on can be very empowering. I think it was certainly empowering to me.

It's cool. I think you're probably right. I wouldn't know because I'm not an elite level golfer, but I imagine it would probably help. I think it really helped me as well because all week, and I'm sure you guys did it too, but the whole media narrative was almost Liv versus PJ Tour. The whole thing was how is Liv going to do.

When Phil comes up and makes a birdie on 18 and me and Brooks are going at it, I wasn't even thinking about that, right? Like it was very easy to think never crossed my mind, right? I was so focused on hopefully joining my fellow countrymen and honoring Savi on his birthday that it never really crossed my mind. So in a way, on that sense, it was very helpful. Barstool sports book, look, we're obviously Barstool people. Haven't skin in the game.

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What the hell happened on the first hole? I mean, you know, I bet you I'm seeing John Rom. I kept saying John Rom's a problem. We did our pre-master's picks. Everyone's picking all these people. And I'm like, we're forgetting about it. John Rom, this guy's going to fucking win the Masters this year. And then you just double the first hole.

I'm like, well, that's over. I mean, are you thinking at that point? Like, what the hell's going on here? Like, is this really happening? Or are you just like, whole one? They were fine. I mean, yeah, it's whole one. If you're going to make it double in the tournament,

you either do it on 18 and you have more than a two-shot lead or you do it on 1 because you have 71 hole. Right. And no shade to Scott Schaepler here, but if you're going to do it, do it one is the least meaningful, right? and yeah I mean I play the whole great he did a great three would hit a great great eight out into the spot you're supposed to hit it I saw Justin Thomas hit the pub before me left the four feet short so I was like right don't be afraid what people don't know is that that holes was in a bit of a

crowd so if you hit it past it from any of which way direction it would go over a little bit more than you would expect and I hit good puds is just it slippery against the national sometimes the putting rain is not as fast as the course and that's exactly what I told Adam when we finished. I mean, don't get me wrong. I was pissed, but I told them Adam. Every single putt felt good. It was a good role. It was a good stroke. It was smooth. Clearly, I got to get the speed of the grains, but everything else was good, right? Now, from that, I went to the Sebi quote, right? Because they asked them, was, how can it lead player of your caliber four pass? Like, well, I miss, I miss, I make. That's it. I mean, it's simple as that.

And the other thing that helped me, this at the end voice to Adam, is I've told a lot of people at Augusta National from my experience. If you're even par, on the faraway on seven, you hit your T shot on the faraway on seven and you're even par, I think you're in a fantastic spot. Because yes, you can birdie two and three, but any one of the other holes, bogeys and double bogeys are lurking very, very, very easily. And the birdies on two and three are not gimmies. In fact, three plays over par for the week. so mistakes happen. So if you can somehow reel it back, right, you're not a bad position. So with that said, I had a great T-shot on 2 and took advantage of it and, you know, hope to make a birdie before 7.

And next thing you know, I'm on the FT, actually I'm on the FTA, actually I'm on the Ferry on 7 even par and make a burgeon 7 and I'm the par. So, you know, I think that the sequence of thoughts really, really helped focus and frame for the next, right? At the same time, it's almost like the weights off. Like, okay, I just made it double. Nobody cares anymore. You know, let's just go and play golf. And in a weird way, it was helpful in a very weird way. I get that, actually.

Yeah, no. I can see that. I get that too because we, I mean, we're bad at golf and we find ourselves in some scenarios where we're playing in front of people. People have their cameras out. We know what's going to end up on the internet. You get a lot of hype and masters. There's more hype.

any, you know, there's so much chatter for days and days and days. There's a part three contest. There's Liv versus BGA tour all that. Now you're out there. And we've been a moment where it's like, I've topped my first T shot or something. And then all of a sudden it's amazing, like the rest of the round, every shot is easy compared to that because you're like, well, I've already done the most embarrassing thing that I could do. Exactly.

I mean, it's, it really is embarrassing for me too, right? Like, it's bad. It really is. Now, I also thought, we've seen worse on the first hole. which in six, put, seven puts. Oh, you know what? To an extent,

it was one more. And it always makes for a good story, right? I mean, I finished my round. I shoot nine under from the knot. And the first thing they tell me is, well, the last person to double the first hole and go on to win the Masters was Sam's knee. 1952 or something like that.

I'm like, well, this would be an amazing story. There's always a way to make it change the narrative, right? And, you know, I think that Burdium 2 and the pot on 3 were obviously key for the dynamic of the rest of the day. So we mentioned your guy, Adam, who we had on earlier in the week. Have you any consideration to switching to yards to make our guys life a little easier?

No, I thought he was going to talk about a story. He didn't talk. It's funny, no. And this was his idea. When we got together, he said it would be easier for him to change than for me and maybe be doubting my yardage is, right, ever. So he took the harder path in that sense. Now, again, early on the year, having to change the books at Pebble and Tori and all the

tournaments where we have two or three courses was a long time for him. It was a long time for him. He ended up telling me at first when he explained it to him, it was like, oh, man, I'm so sorry. He's like, oh, don't worry. I got to figure it out. It's two to three B or some nine. It's okay.

I was like, all right, you're making it sound okay. So he spoke incredibly, kind of pointedly about the first T in the final round and coming out really on Sunday and how he could feel something he'd never really felt before. And a lot of that was kind of what you talked about earlier, which is, you know, the crowds really embracing you and the narratives and whatever everybody wants to talk about. Could you, because we weren't there. we're watching on TV and obviously they're trying to paint the picture. Could you feel sort of the crowd support really in your direction in the final round? I would say, and maybe we have different perceptions of these, I think for the first two to five or six holes, it was more towards Brooks. You heard a lot of Brooks live, a lot of support towards him, right?

And then I make that birdie on three, he bogies four, we're tough for a lead, and then I take the lead on six. and I don't think from 6 on I heard one comment about live calls now one I think from then on I started hearing more about SEVI Spain and me and it was a complete 180 like not that they weren't gone for me I was hearing it but it was from that point on I mean the crowd was 100% on me and it was pretty incredible to see that it was very very incredible to see that but early on I felt it like I said I wasn't really biding to the live and PJs were dynamic but you're nervous. It is funny. Like that first T shot, I'm on the T and I had no idea what to hit. Like not one clue. I'm thinking, man,

to hit driver, do it, if three wood, you know, the wind's here, the wind's there. I don't really want to aim at the bunker and have to hook it,

even though the wind's of the right, right? Like, it's a top situation. And Brooks Knapp hooks it left. I'm like, well, we're hitting three wood, I guess.

And that's how we started the day, but the dynamic was very unique, very unique changing, you know, I would say, yeah, on six. It's pretty cool. Like, I lose my train of thought because it was so emotional to think about something like that, right? Like to see a whole course and the whole crowd just change their opinion on me and just say, wow, here we go.

And from then on, the more lead I took, the more support I had. And even when Phil and Jordan went on a run, they were still telling me and still remembering me. Again, they were still mentioned in Sevi and Spain. So my mind was more on that than anything else. God, that's cool. It's, I think, I just think you've done, I think you've, however it's gone down and for whatever the reason is, I just think over the last, like I said, six months, whatever it's been, I think it's come across so clear to people how authentic you are. And I think that right away, narratives about John Roms, he's getting frustrated in the course or he comes off like a lunatic, wherever. That stuff, when you see it just in a silo, you know, you can make your judgments about it.

But then when you see it in the context of these interviews, these comments, you sort of connecting it back to the history and what matters to you, you see it in the context of authenticity. And you're like, this fucking guy is just a normal, raw, real guy who loves golf, wants to be the best and is candid about stuff. And I think that people can't even help if they wanted to, but be drawn to that. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. You know, it's easy to judge the book by its cover, right? And what I mean is all you see is what I do on the golf course. It's very easy to assume that I am the same person on the golf course and off the golf course.

And I think I've mentioned it before in interviews that I'm very different off of it. Right. When I'm competing, I'm there to do a job. It's more of out here to win, get the job done, right? And when I'm down playing, I'm down playing. It's normal life, right? I can kind of distinguish both of those, right? I'm not that intense of the golf course where anything is going to make me go nuts and get

mad or whatever it may be. It's actually quite the opposite. So it's been great to see the change, though. I don't know what to attribute that to. Obviously, a lot of people started paying more attention what I did of the golf course and what I said of the golf course. I think it all started when the whole thing with COVID and Memorial happened. I think a bit of compassion towards me, a wave of compassion happened. And then after that, people started listening.

And, you know, that interview I did pre-US Open really helped. And after that, I think, slowly started to change. And lately it's been pretty amazing to see the difference, right? A lot of it, too, thanks to you guys. I mean, that podcast I did with you early on the year changed a lot of people in myza. They know me really well, right? Maybe they hadn't seen other interviews had done, but they're followers of yours, and they truly saw a difference.

So in that way, I have to say thank you. I think it's, I mean, I think you earned it. You know, I think you're when you, when you do that show, it's, you can't really hide when you talk for an hour and a half. Like, we kept you last time. So it's kind of who you are and how you feel about stuff and how people are going to feel about you is going to come across one way or the other. So, you know, I think that you earned that and you've just been, you've been great. You've been great for golf. That's one of the great cliches we like to make fun of.

But I think you're incredibly great for golf. We're Frankie likes to say this to some of our guys that we have them on, but we're proud of you, you know, just like proud of it. you come over to this country you're not from here, you're from Spain, and you have multiple majors now, and you, and you ascend to number one in the world, you're a great family man, and you rallying millions of fans behind you, like, just proud of what that takes. That's not easy, you know. Thank you. Now, with that said, it's incredible after I'm not worthy of having every single one of your

guys as members in the freaking podcast. You guys are always cutting me short for some reason. not cutting you short we like to be we we like to be selective a little bit about who we're gonna who we're gonna present what the conversation is going to entail and and so you know

I know Dan thinks I see him too much already so for whatever reason he doesn't want to ask me questions and those but Dan to his credit especially the first 10 that we had you on we had our own little relationship with our comments on John Robb

so we were like dude this is for me Frankie Trent, we started at show a little. Like, we had been hard on you at times. We had called you a crazy person and lunatic. So we were like, let's have this conversation. And then to Dan's credit, he reached out to me and said, hey, if you guys want to kind of have this be a continuation of the conversation you

have before, I would totally get it. And so, you know, we probably said that. So, you know, I'm going to, man. Well, we said it last time. It's like a, like a ticking time bomb. It was like we needed a bomb diffuser out there at any

moment, at any moment we needed to snip the right color. At any, we didn't know. Snip the right. It has to go like that at times. So I go alive. But we've already cleared the air. We already know that that's what makes you, and no pun intended, that's what makes you tick. That's what makes John Ron. Listen, there's been, and that's why throughout my career has been very hard to change, right? When you're not in the spotlight, that has helped me perform better. Undoubtedly, I've said it a million times and I'll keep saying it. There's been so many times. If the Masters has improved, when I start with the double, get mad and go birdie-burdy. I mean, it is part of sometimes, you know, a lot of fire to my ass and they get going.

It's just when the spiral gets out of control that, I mean, you guys don't like it. I hate it. I have to see myself do it and suffer it. I absolutely hate it. So finding the middle ground is the important thing. I mean, that's that's all I can say. And again, I understand why you guys and many others have said what you've said. It's partly your job.

it's my job to remind you guys that we're all human beings. You know, it's not always the full picture. That's all I can say. But again, and I'll be the first person to make fun on myself. You kidding? Some of the things are done. Oh, my God. That's it.

And that's it. You know, we're a moron. And I'll tell you. And I tell Adam, oh, there was once with Adam, Jesus Christ. He called me out on this is funny. We had Rive a few years ago. And this is great about him because he'll call me out. And this is why it works.

Like sometimes I wish we're mic'd up, but 99. 49% of the times you don't want any road we're out to see it. You got to get you mic up. We got to get you mic up. But we're on the rive on the fourth hole and I'm having a good day and I'm kind of, you know, starting to tend. And we're going on the back night. And I'm having a couple bad holes. And for a rib, you know, super difficult part three.

The pin is on the left side short. I had this amazing four iron that just lands on the green and goes long. The most Johnny basic chip you can think of, right? Now, I hit this chip. I clearly heal it, comes out low with spin and I leave it 10 feet. short clearly i mean everybody and their mother and over there knew that i've done that right and of course because i need to deflect i'm going nuts because the poana greens and the boughs and can you believe this and the lie and the other thing and we're walking down that faraway by faraway after i actually

i think i don't if i made the pot or not but we're walking down far away and i hit it on the faraway and i'm still going over the last chip like he's just so locked i'm just a nat and the other thing and now i'm like all right john let's be honest it's a terrible chip that shit was bad And I looked at it right away and I'm like, oh, you know it's in you. Like, I can't fool you. It's like, no. I was like, come on, man.

Hit a couple of good shots. Let's make some birdies finish the round of. And not in that moment, like it snapped, made me laugh. I'm like, okay, he can tell. I'm being an idiot. And then we went on. I think I finished top 10 that year.

I actually finished that round off pretty well. So it's just funny that this moment like that, something like that, there's many. I may not remember all of them, but he's had to call me out a couple times and it's funny as hell. If you suffer from the symptoms of ADHD,

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Well, there's been a lot of times, but usually is when I have some doubt in mind. If I have some doubt in mind, I usually would ask him and we make a discussion. If I have no doubt in my mind like at that moment at Tori, which, by the way, he might not have been 100%, but he knew where I wanted to go with it and he told me, screw it. hit the green, right? I mean, nothing to lose. If I hit the lip, he's going to go on the faraway layup area. We had nothing to lose at that point.

And he went with it as well. He sold himself short on that one, but that still is the best shot of head not on TV. Now, there's been many times, but not one time that I would say it was a big change, right? The one time that the dynamic should have been different, either I take it more seriously, meaning on the process a little bit slower, and do what he did.

He wanted me to do what have been 11 of players on the final round. That would be the one time that we had a disagreement. You saw it on camera. People still say I blamed him. Like he said, I've never blamed him for anything in my life. Like, I fully acknowledge that is my choice, not his. And we talked about it after I told him, hey, man, not that you did anything wrong. I should have just taken my time.

I rushed the second shot with my decision and hit it in the water. whatever water on the bridge we learned but no pun intended yeah exactly nice nice we we sorry no it's funny because there's been tows right i you know i've listened to him and and i agreed with them and then things the end go our way but you know is he's always there to help as the main thing to understand i can't remember anything recently you know that that that it was a big you know a big decision um that just proves the point too that you guys are such a team that like You guys are confident in every, right. Never been a veto where like no chance do this.

Right. We've always stocked it out and either he realizes that I feel confident or I realize that he's right for the most part. So that must maybe a question for him. He might remember a few more than me. Oh, I'm sure he's got a couple written down. Like, oh, he didn't believe me on this one. I tried to every time he's right, I tried to tell him.

Like, hey, man, good call. Thank you. Like, I try to tell him every single time. I may not remember every time, but I try to tell him. The last one, he mentioned it briefly. My ego wanted to hit 3-1-18 from, you know, God knows where nowhere land out there.

And I just wanted to say, let's finish in style, right? Like, if I hit somebody in the crowd, hit it on the grueling two-puddle. He was right there like, yeah, maybe you hit a four-iron up there and wedged on me. Maybe it's enough, and I was like, yeah, okay. Well, my first thought is, you know, I mean, it's $250 up the hell. I can just slice it real quick.

And by the way, I'm going to be honest, because that was on the semi-Ruff. Had I been on the fairway, I think he can't talk me out of it. Like, if I'm in the fairway, I know I can't slice it. I think I'm going for it. I don't know if you would have argued with that. But being on that rough, the odds of getting a straight knuckleball somewhere into nine would be very possible. So that would have been the one where, you know, recently is that, okay, maybe I listened to you on this one. And he was right.

He did say exactly everything, right? Like, let's finish his in style is make a par. That's awesome. Next, Champions, dinner. Do you already have you thinking about the menu items? Are you thinking about what you're going to present to the champions at your, at your dinner? I haven't thought of the whole menu yet. If anybody knows about Spanish culture and Spanish cuisine, we will have ham, Spanish ham, Iberico, for sure.

I think I know what dessert I want. It's from my hometown in Spain. And I will have the help of Jose Andres to facilitate a lot of the, the things for the dinner. He's helped. I think he did charge his dinner as well. Well, he kind of goes into the kitchen and has his team help the cooks there because a lot of things I might not know what it is. But in between, I'm not sure. I need to talk to Ollie because we're from the same part of Spain and see what he's served in his dinner. I don't want to go too similar to someone else and see how much I can pull towards my hometown. And we'll see.

I have a wine in mind. I don't know if I have to pick from their selection and I can pick something outside their selection. And I do have, again, the appetizer and dessert in mind, but I haven't too much thought into it. The one thing I learned very quickly was trying to be as smart as with Chairman Ridley. While you're doing, you're doing all this interview. One of the things you do is at dinner with the members and take pictures with them. Right before that, they took us to the top part of Butler Cabin to me and my say, I'm ready to have some time, right?

And Chairman Ridley was there. And again, I was trying to be a smart ass. And I'm like, well, what was the budget for the dinner? And he looks at me, it's like, whatever you want, because you're paying for it. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, I change your name. Wow. Yeah, that was pretty funny.

That was one thing I didn't know about it. Wow. I ding you for the dinner. I didn't know that. I get it. That's fine. Which makes me think that if we're paying for it, they'll let you bring outside stuff. I'm hoping.

I don't think I, did you know that, Riggs? No. No. I did not know that. That's breaking news, unfortunately. I'm learning a lot of things about being a champion that, to be honest, I don't know if I can speak off or not. I don't know if I'm good.

There should be that stuff. We love that shit. Like, I want there to be hidden rooms. I want there to be things inside pockets that they slip you. Like, I want it. Guys like I shouldn't know.

Guys like that should know. So usually this is what I, like when I'm in that cabin, this gentleman that was for Augusta sits with me. I'm signing some flags and, you know, that dinner I mentioned we signed menus and the members take a menu home signed by me. And my managers there's like,

I, us three are going to become best friends for the next. year anytime you have a question ask me and they send my manager basically a list of dues and don'ts um but it is yeah there's there's there's quite a bit of things and you know like i said basically anytime he said we don't like the jacket making a public appearance without us knowing so they need to know every time it makes a public appearance there's an attire you know there's some things you can and cannot do and you have to ask permission for it's it is it is pretty crazy because in that first stories of people traveling with the jacket with them year around

I'm like, I don't know if they're going to turn, you know, like, hey, I get invited to do this in two hours. Can I do it? They might not get back to you in time. I don't know. But there's definitely, there's definitely some rules that go with it. And you definitely have to sign a couple documents, you know, acknowledging certain things. So it's, it's pretty unique and they protect the image of Agusta National so well, right? I mean, if you think about it, members don't get to take the jackets outside the premises.

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I also think it's, you know, when you kind of mention they bring you up in Butler Cabin and that it's got to be such a whirlwind that that moment in Augusta kind of realizing how much of a whirlwind it is and offering you that opportunity that night to kind of soak it in a little bit. I imagine that must have been a great part of the day. Well, it's really cool because, like, you don't, if you haven't been a champion, I haven't asked about the process, you don't realize how much there is to do after you win, right? There's so much. You do the interviews, you go to Butler Cabin, do the whole thing with Jim Nance and the,

and the chairman and the past champion and the low am, and then you have the ceremony and the speech, right, when they give you a little, hey, remember this people, make sure you thank everybody else and then do the press conference and the dinner there's so much going on that it makes it a very unique evening after a win now with that said there's 30 minutes with the family to take some pictures and have a drink and have some food was incredible right the fact that they take time and my whole family was there with me and it was really really enjoyable right um i thought it was really cool they did that for us and i'm assuming they do it for everyone I'm hoping they do.

Then they invite you, they tell you the members when I have dinner with you and that's another speech. It's really incredible how that evening goes, right? You're tired, but it's really, really fun because you're part of a club that is so selective, not only the champions, but that being part of Augusta National. That is so unique. And when the members welcome you and they, you know, they congratulate you and everything you've done is pretty incredible.

Now, my favorite part was going to the Champions Locker. I wasted no time. The second I had five seconds, I'm like, hey, you guys got to take me up there. And they were very, very gracious. And they took me and they took Kelly and my dad, who my dad was there. And we went up there and we saw the balcony and we looking down Magnolia and the dark. And took a couple really cool pictures with me and my dad. I mean, my dad was over the moon.

Because to be honest, I don't know if I'll be able to take them up there again. And to see the champions and the locker rows was very unique. That's probably my favorite part to be there with my family. And, you know, my wife and dad celebrating something that is so special. Wow. With the chills. Wow. That's just chills inducing.

That is so cool. That's the coolest thing anybody could ever do. I don't. Yeah. And it's so well deserved. It's awesome. I can't wait till next week when Park in the Champions Parking lot. That is going to do.

But it's going to be one of those things where Monday, I might be up at 4 a.m. just to make sure I'm the first one there. Just going to be in the Champions locker like this. I guess he was coming in. It's me. I know, Mike, so damn excited about the whole thing that it's just my whole routine is going to go out of the window. That's what people love about you, man. It's not like this robotic thing.

You're like, I'm going to go sit in the champion soccer and be like, welcome in, boys. This is our spot. It will be a little weird because they have like a showcase, right? Like when I got there and saw it, they had a Scotty Schaeffer's Sunday shirt. They also give you, on. that members dinner, they have like this picture collage that they make, like, right away. I mean, within two hours of being over, they have a bunch of pictures explaining or showing the whole week.

So they had that for Scotty. I guess you need to donate a club that you think, you know, was more impactful or helpful for the week. So Scotty has his love witch there. They have a whole showcase, right? So I don't know if I'll be sitting next to that because it'll be a little weird. But it's pretty cool that they do a celebrate a champion. like that. I don't know if it's there all year around or just

the defending champion week, but it's really cool how seriously they take it. And if you ever get the chance to go in the clubhouse, all those clubs are exposed for people to see. It's so unique, and then you get to see, right? I mean, you have Baba's ways from the hookshot on the trees. Some people live driver, potter, whatever it may be, and they're all there. It's really cool. I think they're going to ask me, and I think they're already asked,

and we're shipping that eight iron and I had him 14, without a question. That is going out there. It will be the original one. I'm not going to give him a fake. That's going to be the one I used and that's going to go there. Where's that shot? Where's that shot stack up for you?

Just in all-time kind of memories and difficulty and execution. Very high out there. Very, very high. That semi-arragusta, the little rough they have, there's a lot of questions. If it was thicker, I would know it would come with no speed. probably soft, I probably need to run it up. But there's questions that, okay, I know I can hit it high enough with enough spin, right? But there's always a doubt of double just knuckling this straight and being in an absolute dreadful spot.

So even though the way it was helping me to hit that shot, not pulled it off obviously, it's amazing, but the fact that it came out exactly the way I ever visualized it was incredible. Right, that doesn't happen very often. And to see that shot, it started exactly what started, low, left of the green, fading towards the one tree I could see. the middle and then releasing towards the pin was absolutely amazing. That is very high up there based on the things I've done. I think the shot on a Tory that Adam talked about is better. I always put a couple of them like Mike T shot against Tiger on the Ryder Cup on 17

after losing the 16th hole to a very narrow faraway is up there. The pots of the U.S. Open are obviously out there. but circumstantially, you know, to take a four-shot lead going on the last four holes, this has to be really high up there. I don't know why people haven't talked about it. Part of me wishes to not hit the tree on 18, so that shot would have been talked about more than it is because I feel like everybody's focusing on the four-part and the last t-shot on 18

more than anything else. But that has to be top three up there. Yeah, that was a big moment. That one kind of where it felt like, all right, this thing is looking pretty good. I'm not even to you it was already done so I don't know yeah I was going to say if it was a little more stressful moment maybe people would remember

it more but that's you know I also the stress free thing I mean it's the credit to we were on we were rooting for you we're on that we're on John Rom's side we were Famos we said going in we were all Vamos all day and then we would have appreciated if you know

Brooks Kevka wouldn't have rolled over so much I just would have appreciated those those amazing shots that you hit to get a little bit more love, a little bit more stress down the stretch. It's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. I don't blame you guys were thinking that way. I mean, it is a lead and I'm playing good.

To Brooks' credit, though, what he said in his press conference, he did hit some shots that were on a very small margin. I mean, he's shots in six and nine were inches from being birdie pots, and both of them turned into a bogey, right? So, but that is Augusta National, right? That is what it is. It is kind of how it happens. But yeah, I don't blame you guys for thinking.

that way. I've had people even tell me when I had that draw on 13, that T-shot on 13, that it was over. I was like, Jesus. I wish you guys could have told me, just pack it in. The reason why for us is not even close is because, listen, after that T-shot, a bogey on, a bogey on 14 is very possible. You don't, you want to avoid a mistake on 15, not make a stupid bogey. 16 if I relax and hit it to the top I'm three putting most likely It's very hard to putt right So bogies can happen and as we saw

Brooks bird is 15 16 luckily he misses T shot on 17 but if he puts a T shot on the Perweight three shot lead and I miss We're talking about a completely different tournament So that's why it's stressful for us Right for us is because you're in the Situation of what could be In that case right

But I understand why he was Probably not thinking I mean as fans as fans will always as fans will always like not be able to put ourselves in the shoes of the person maintaining the lead like like it's almost like in baseball the closer comes in with a like in the at the end of a world series game he's got a five run lead and you're like this thing's over and I think if you ask that closer you got you try and get three outs in the world series right now like it's not over I could easily give up three singles a home run and all of a sudden it's a one run you know I mean like that is if you ask the person in the situation for sure. sure it's nerve-wracking. For sure it's stressful. You're thinking about every single shot. But for us, we're sitting back. I ate like two pounds of pursuit that day. I was eating devil dags. It was Easter. I mean, I'm sitting down, eating, you know, we're praying at the table. I'm watching John Rown making freaking birdie putts and parrots all day. I'm like, this thing's over. I'm cashing out my

Barstall sports book already. I'm like, I already won. You're on 15th. I'm like, he won. He won the masters. But yeah, obviously, if we put ourselves in your in your shoes, you're not done until that last puck goes in the hole. I think as a player, right? You want to think you don't want to be on the worst on the wrong side of history in that case, right? You don't want to relax. Because what people don't realize is how small the margin on 16 really is,

it was playing into the wind. We're hitting six times. I've hit nine iron to the back then before. We have six irons in hand. And that 17th T-shot is a very underrated T-shirt. It's extremely difficult into the wind, a little actually into the wind of the left, right? I mean, you could not think of a worse win for somebody like me in that case or anybody that's right-handed, right?

So that's where our thought comes into play, where it's like, well, what could be, it could be a lot of bad if you don't think about it properly, right? So because it's the Masters and it's so close to becoming a reality, obviously Adam and I have a level of intensity that you guys probably don't have. But whatever. I would hope so. I would hope so. I would hope so. No, and look, at the end of the day, like, you know, my whole thing was I said Brooks kept Kepka Rue and masters. Brooks Kevka, like, made the masters. He had an unbelievable performance with all the negativity about Liv and him to go out there and play that well. I saw all the photos of you

guys laughing coming down the stretch, despite the fact that Patrick Cantley took 45 years to play, you know, nine holes of golf. So the whole thing was cool. I mean, that happened to what else then apparently. Yeah, what did you say, like nine trips to the rest of you took or something? He said seven. I counted five. I counted five. I count five. Well, I mean, I'm nervous. What the And if I'm going to be waiting, I'm going to do stuff that I don't want to sit still on the T-box, like on 16. That picture you guys saw was after me going to the bathroom. So we're still waiting.

So, yeah, it was an amazing performance by him. I couldn't even imagine. If you gave us, we said, I tweeted out when you were hitting your second shot on 18 from the rough from 250 out, I tweeted out, like, could you win, could normal people win the masters from there from the point you were at? And I think most of us would not be able to win the masters from there. Actually, I mean, that ball sliced the good 20 yards. Listen, if you go, if you can carry, if you're confident you can carry the bunkers from there, which were maybe 120 to carry, straight into the window. If you're confident you can carry those bunkers, you don't need to fade it because all you need to do is carry the bunkers and then you have within maybe a 130 to the green from Faroe, because it's all Farrowy on that area. I mean, you just hit the spectators and then you just hit it up there.

But I know I'm making this stuff easy. a lot of people can make a disaster because then you go on the front bunker which is deep as hell now you have problems. A lot of people wouldn't get it done. A lot of people would come in within a shot make a triple real quick out of there.

A lot of people might head it to the right trees and then create more of a stress. I mean, it's not easy, but I was fairly confident in that situation. I was just hoping wouldn't make it to. We got an exclusive ticketing partner and that is game time. There's nothing better than going to games.

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moment. Use that code for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. One of my favorite hypotheticals we've ever done was could I win the master's if I started on the edge of every single green. I was putting one. Regulation? In regulation. No, just like my, my T shot was on the edge of every single green, the beginning of every single green in Augusta. And I genuinely don't think I would win. Will I get to pick where the ball would be? Sure. Yeah. Yeah, no chance.

Isn't that insane? I don't think you realize. I had a four putt and two three pods that week and still one by four. Jesus. You're John Rob. We're Frankie. You would put it in the water more often than you think. I'm not even joking.

Yeah. You put me on a point and I'm hitting my first ball on every single hole. You're 560 yards away from me. and you think I still have no chance. And I agree with you. We said I don't, I said I don't think I even come close. Well, I mean, it is hard to do it on one, right? The bench in the year.

I think people will be very surprised at how high score they would do it. I think there's literally a lot of pin positions and in a year where the grains are a little firmer fast, where us would have a very small chance of two putting. Like that, that happened. That can happen. And I had a friend of mine asked me, if they had unlimited

Mulligans playing from the tips if they ever would win the Masters. I'm like, we'll never know because you wouldn't finish. I mean, you would be there for the rest of your life. Eventually, you get tired and move on forward, right? Like, it's just, you can't put yourself in that situation because this, you know, it's very few people

get to play Augustin National and even fewer people get to see it in tournament conditions and the pins that we play. So it's hard to save those hypotheticals. Now that I think about it, if it was in regulation, right, on three on a par five and two in a part four and one on a part three, I would say absolutely no. If you're laying zero on every edge of the green, obviously, eventually you might have a chance.

You might two put a couple and you're making eagles. But I don't think you'll shoot nearly as low as you think you would shoot. No, definitely not. I was thinking like the nine-olds. You could, though. Like 18, you could three put 18, right? That's a burden. Right.

one, you can easily put it off the green, two, you can easily put it off the green. Right, once you're off the green, it's not, it's go zone. Now it's over, because I would assume in this type of thing, you got to keep using a putter. What if you end up like? On three, you would be screwed.

If you putt it off the green on three and you go down that low and you still have to potter, you might play ping pong for the rest of your life. Right, right. I know I'm exaggerated, but I've, yeah, there's definitely, there's definitely a couple cases where you would, you would be over part on the whole couple. Six?

That green's a nightmare on six. They brought on those dude perfect guys. They should let us do this. They should let somebody do this. It doesn't have to be asked. I want to see, because everyone always talks about like, you guys have no idea what the greens are like.

Let an amateur go out there and see what they're like. I want to see. I want to know just how insane they are because it feels like the TV's not doing it justice. I can give you guys a story. I play with a really good friend of mine. Great, great player. It's a plus three.

Handicap, okay? Great player. And we played Augusta National, and every single day he putted off the green on one. Three rounds. And every single round, putted off the green. And the grays were rolling

two or three feet slower than they usually doing competition. Every day, he potted that ball off the green. So you just looking at you, like, what are we doing here? Well, I just knew what's going to happen. That big, that molecule spot. He was trying to move his birdie pot or par pot.

And every day he ate in a foot too fast and that to see you later gone. And have the cat. We're the same caddies every day. We're laughing pretty hard because he was funny. It happens. It is, it's underrated. It's very underrated.

Like it's a challenge for us is amazing. Number nine is another one. I mean, that tiger putt. Yeah. I mean, and if in the wrong years, not like he's rolling those five yards, you've gone 40 yards, right? It's, it's pretty crazy. I have to ask you before we let you go, our friend Josh Isner,

I'm going to ask you to rate his, his, his workout performances because you guys work out at the same gym one to ten what would you rate his his workout performances in the gym i didn't catch a name would you say josh isner who you guys work out in the same um was different level of output okay you can say one's an athlete and one's not you're allowed to say that yeah i mean he's really really good at what he does he is by the He made it sound like Harvard was an easy school. I don't know if that's true or not, but he just got smart. I don't think.

I would say it was easy. I'll let you guys make your own judgments. I was a recruited athlete, so it's a little different, but that's okay. Speaking of someone being super smart, I have a couple questions for you right before we leave, and it has to do with a show called The Big Bang Theory. So I don't know if you have your... No, no, give me a second. So he puts in the work there, obviously, but a lot of times when I'm there and we're just, you know,

if I'm there with me and Spencer, and we can get him distracted very quickly. funny. But in that process, I get distracted too. So it happens. So everybody. Otherwise, not he's there putting in the work. Nice to see him. All right. All right. John Rom, I've got two questions about the Big Bang Theory for you. When we had you on last time, we asked you that question that we have a show called The Dozen Trivia Show. And our niche category from one Trent Ryan is Big Bang Theory. He got the question wrong when it came to Hulk hands and whatever the answer ended up being. I want to ask you this question right now. In season two, when Leslie Winkle

ends her casual relationship with Howard, where do the guys take her to cheer him up? Howard? Yeah. Vegas. Correct. Okay. And I got one more for you.

You guys are okay. Will Wheaton appears twice in season three, first in a card game tournament, and then he faces Sheldon's team in what sport slash activity? Faces Sheldon team. Hold on. You said the first one was a card tournament?

Card, yeah, card game tournament. Will Wheaton. He appears twice in season three, first in a card game tournament, and then to face Sheldon's team in what sport slash activity? You might have got me stumped in this one, because there's a couple things. Sheldon's team. Hmm.

I don't know. Because they do, I don't know if he makes it in paintball. I don't think it was paintball. because I remember the card game that was early on yeah I'm a little I'm a little stumped in this one because it's I can't tell you exactly what episode is Dungeons and Dragons has learned it later on guy this character is in and out a lot

there's not on the it's not on the trivia team no Jesus Christ I should know this so like I have it in mine but I can't I can't think of it want me to give it to you yeah because the card game is warlords of kaha or something like that one of those weird things

the answer is bowling they went he faced on the oh that's right god i forgot about it that's right the wesley crusher jesus trend stumped

Trent stumped him no this wasn't a trend stump this was this was the trip we got the question i think Trent didn't get that correct either that he said that was a very difficult one no no you mentioned it yeah it's just when he starts throwing seasons and man i'm like god i don't remember this seasons. Yeah. And listen, you're incredibly... That's right. Yeah, the Westley...

You're incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to Big Bang Theory for a Masters champion. You've got to be the one. That's got to be, you're one of one in that category of... Oh, I mean, listen, I love trivia. I remember the most random things. I don't know why it kill it creates it. I mean, it is something like I said, it's like my sound machine going a bit. So it's a lot of times I put the iPad and fall asleep like that. We're going to, we're going to come up with something. We talk to Jeff, who's the host of the a dozen trivia. We're going to figure out how to do a golf trivia show where it's going to be you and two of your partners, whoever you want to pick, and then you'll face off against

three other guys, and we're going to do strictly golf history trivia. And I think that would be amazing for our fans to be able to see just how knowledgeable you guys are when it comes to this sport. I was going to say, do I need to pick golfers that know about golf or do I just pick other athletes? You can pick whoever you want. You can pick golfers, you can pick athletes, whoever you think will be the most knowledgeable in golf will keep it very golf. centric. It's going to be hard questions. It's going to make you think. You'll be able to kind of deliberate with all your teammates and you'll have 30 seconds to answer each question. And you're going to face off against some some tough guys. We're going to get six guys together. It'll be great.

Oh, God. Okay. I'll find out. I'll find out. I'll do some research on tour about who likes to know what. I have this one in mind, but the problem is he's not going to do it. Like I'm a team right now. Like I feel Mikeerson on the team. Oh yeah. It would be, if it's just me and Phil will be very hard to beat because he's the one that knows Phil likes us I think Phil would do it he likes us I think Phil would do it he's the only guy that knows more dates and everything than me like is because he's been playing a lot longer so a lot of times you remember so it's he'll be tough to beat all right I don't see John Rom versus Phil Mickelson one-on-one trivia I have no chance oh he's

really wow both yeah very very little chance very little all right we're going to make it happen we'll figure it out we'll find out the best form the format and whatever. I just think golf fans, I think like it alludes to what we were saying before where it's like, I think it just adds to your guys' personality, just how much you care about the sport. I think a lot of times when we watch professional athletes, we feel like some guys are doing it just for the money and some guys are just doing it just because they're good at it and like they just want to go home and not play. And like to be able to see that you guys love it as much as we do and like you geek out about the things that we geek out about. It makes you feel like it's like one of our buddies is just a master's champion. It's crazy. One of my favorite things. One of my favorite things, if I could do it. I mean, I don't have the time with the kids anymore. But when I'm home, and maybe it's the offseason a bit, and they have on Wolf Channel, the world's history makers or things like that, like they have those history rounds to watch that.

I mean, I'll watch the whole broadcast. And when I go back a lot of times, and I don't have five hours or four hours now, but watch, like, Sunday broadcasts of the Masters, you know, one-hour summaries of past majors. I love watching all that stuff. To me, it's amazing. I love the game so much. Much like you guys watching, I'm a fan. So, like, I would easily sit down at 6 a.m. on my couch and go round after round after round,

nonstop till his bedtime. Very easily not a problem. So if I think about how many kids are going to watch you now on the Sunday round for the next 100 years. They're going to go on YouTube or whatever crazy technology comes out in the next hundred years. But they're going to watch John Rom Sunday around at the Masters and they're just going to study it. They're going to see every single shot and be like, that is freaking awesome. I'm going to go to sleep watching this. I can't wait to get to Augusta one day.

if there was an equivalent of film watching in golf, I would lead that category for sure. I mean, I do the same. I got to tell you, those early, like the early 2000s ones, 0-1-2 when Tiger win, the names on those leaderboards and how, like, how David Duvall and Ernie Ells, how they didn't win a couple of those masters

when you go back and watch those, you forget because it's just Tiger Woods' name every time, but it's like the top four guys in the world they're all within a couple of the lead going into the second nine, and it wasn't stress-free, and it's so fun to watch when they're out there and they're all going back and forth. It's incredible.

So for people that don't know this, in 0-4, when Phil Tied over the lead, his first win at the Masters, Ernie else was in 14T with a three-shot lead. Phil hadn't putted on 12 yet. He ended up making that birdie putt. And he didn't even go to a playoff. And I don't think he made a bogey.

I think Phil just made a bowie. birdies. He birdied 12, 13, 14, 16, and 18, right? That's when I say a three, four shot lead, maybe he's not that big a deal to you guys, but it is, right. I've seen enough of these things disappear. Um, I mean, a couple other ones are great Ollie in 99 when he, when he's, I mean, he's got a watch shot lead. I think it is over. I mean, if it's Larry Meijs, I'm like, that's playing with Norman and stiffs it on 16 to like four feet, makes birdie. Right. I mean, there's so many great finishes. And I will encourage. anybody to go watch because the golf course played completely different to what it is now.

They had narrow furrowways, little firmer greens. It's a lot of fun to watch. It's early 2000s. Those names is what you say. I mean, how VJ. Ernie fell himself, David Duval, and a couple names that come up and down. The fact that the Ernie doesn't have four jackets and Greg Norman doesn't have another six because he was for 15 years, Greg was in the top five on the final day. every single year. It was absolutely insane. Insane. It's crazy. Incredible. Nick Filed out. There, it's insane. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I'm passionate about this. I love the game so much.

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That's what happens. That's what, you know, I did enjoy the catlay when you're like, there's no way he's going to hit this off the top of the wood. And he just hit an incredible shot. You go, oh, that was pretty good. See, this is a thing. That's why, like, in person, you don't, like, unless you're there and seeing the ball exactly from his point of view,

you can't tell. Right. You can't tell. That's, I mean, commentating is included difficult. The only thing I could provide as someone who has just played the course is a bit more fresh perspective about what's going on than anybody else that sets about it. I'm looking forward to doing it again. I'll definitely do it again.

Hopefully at some point I can have more time. And, you know, because that time I had to get back to the kids and go home and all that. So hopefully I can do that at one point to have a little bit more time. No, you were great. You were natural up there. That type of insight, especially the guy, just won the master's, just finished the course. You just can't beat that. So that's like a cheat coat out there.

And you were great out. I'm pretty sure. Once I retire from golf, I'll be in the booth. 100%. Yeah, praise you. You're golf not. I think I will. I love the game too much to not be doing it. Trevor, Imelman says that it gives him the same like juice that he got when he was playing. Like just like the nerves and the pressure and having to articulate the right way that he's thinking about a shot to people that may not know how to like interpret what he's saying. And it's just like it's an intellectual like activity as opposed to a physical one. But man, it's got to be such a good feeling. to be able to be a part of the product that you guys love. And we've talked to him about it.

He loves it so much. And it's very difficult for them because you can't appreciate the lie of a golf ball on camera. You really can't on the rough or anything else. You can't really see the wind gusts and the changes. I mean, they try their best to paint a picture and it's very difficult as you guys saw. I couldn't, not even close. And I just played the golf course. So it's very difficult to paint that picture.

They mean, they're making them. They do an amazing job. It's hard to do. Very hard to do. Yeah, yeah, impossible. I mean, in golf, you have to fill so much time at golf. So they do a great job. Trevor's awesome.

But, yeah, and your English is great. You have the nice little Spanish accent to it. So I think you'd be, you know, it'd be a nice drawl up there. Yeah, you're a winner, man. Thank you. John Rom, the Masters champion. Yeah, I can't be thankful enough for you coming on doing this and just being a fantastic ambassador for golf. And like we said earlier, we're very, we're proud of you.

You're the man. You're doing it very well. Thank you guys. I appreciate the word. Thank you. Thank you, John. Now, will I get the whole display next time we do this? Everyone will be involved?

100%. We're going to get our best single person. We're going to get our big guy lurch. You're going to love him. We're going to get everybody involved. There we go. All right. Sounds good.