Fore Play - Masters Champion Trevor Immelman & A 12-Year Old

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

We are joined by 2 very, VERY special guests on today’s show. First up we have 2008 Masters Champion Trevor Immelman (27:07) who shares some incredible stories from last year’s Presidents Cup and discusses the challenges of coaching the International Team from a cultural standpoint. He also tells some eye-opening Tiger Woods stories and how TW brought his competitiveness to… the lunch table? Then we’re joined by the man, the myth, the legend, 12-year old Pete (84:41) who recaps his round with Riggs including pre-round thoughts, nerves while playing, and how he thought both him and Riggs played!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. First show, since I lost to a 12-year-old, we will have that 12-year-old Pete on the show, along with 2008 Masters Champion Trevor Emelman. He's also the captain of the International Presidents' Cup team at the next President's Cup, which is next year, 2021, at Quail Hollow in Charlotte. He was awesome. He told some stories that I've never heard before, some Tiger Woods stories, a couple of them. He talked about walking up the 18th to the 18th Green up the 18th Fairway at Augusta National,

finding out that he had the lead, which he's not a scoreboard watcher. So it was awesome. He's just a great guy. And we had a lot, a lot, a lot of fun with him, very insightful. And like I said, we were able to kind of snag some stories out of them that I did not expect. And he was just a pleasure to talk to. Huge Trevor Idleman guy now. Oh, yeah, he's a, you know, he's a delight to look at, too. He's just, like, very, like, you know, he's just like a good-looking dude and also, like, has a great vibe to him. Like, I want to be really good friends with him. Like, not just, like, friendly. I want to be, like, yeah, I want to be, like, really good friends of them.

Like, I want to be, like, what up, like, T-Read. Not just, like, I want to be closer than friends. What up, Emmy? Like, I want to, like, hit him up. You're like, you know, like, what up, Amy? Like, you want to go grab, like, a bite or something and just, like, go talk. about shit. He's got that South African accent and he's got, he's just got everything going for him. Also a very generous laugher, which those are my favorite people who are just, they're just, they're

going to laugh. Fidelberg. Yes, Fidelberg is the exact same way. You say a joke, something that's clearly intended to be a joke, they're going to give you the laughs and Trevor Rimmelman's just like that. He was great. And then we had, we had 12 year old Pete on. Yeah, what did you guys think meeting 12 year old Pete for the first time? 12 year old Pete's incredibly 12 years old. He's more 12 years old than I think I thought, after watching the match between YouTube. Because on video, he's, like, in his element. And, like, you can't really tell how small he is

or how young he really is when he's on the golf course because he's, like, striping a golf ball. And he's walking around with his big, like, size 18 shoes and stuff. He's a tough guy to look at it and be like, I want to beat him because he's such a nice-looking kid, you know? Like, if you, like, somebody our age, you get up and you're like, yeah, I want to beat them and whatever. But to try to beat a 12-year-old and somebody that looks really 12,

must be really, really hard. It's a little about pride at that point. I know, but you're rooting for them to, like, succeed in everything, too. Yeah, no, like, once these steps it's a T, gotta just be like, I know. I have to beat this little thing. That's hard. That's a hard mental state. Dude, it was weird.

There was moments where he would hit, like, a really good shot. And in my, in your heart of hearts, you're like, oh, good job, man. Like, under, that's crate. And then there was a moment on, like, 14th hole where he's the middle of fairway, and I'm three down. And he, like, topped an iron into the bunker. And I was like, fuck yeah. Hell yeah.

I needed that. so badly. But that was kind of my fight the whole day. And anyways, we have Pete on, we talk about the match with Pete from his perspective. And we also talk about it with Trevor Hillman, who's, he's a fan. He listens to our show, as you can tell. He was following along with the drama of myself and Pete building up to the match. And, um, and I lost. I lost that match three and two. It was tough break. He was, he was so nice on the show. He's such a good kid, man. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know how to... It's almost like his parents or like they're using this to like teach him like how to like handle like this stuff.

Like he like was like prepped almost where he was like at an actual press conference the way he was answering. It was actually like really funny. I mean he's just a well manner like good badness because like at the end he's saying thank you to for play. Thank you to barstool sports and all these things. He's just super nice kid and the parents, I'm sure, great people. He very clearly throughout the whole round and everything was very conscious. to like do everything right. Like he and and his dad was helping him a lot even with like gimmies and stuff because he

doesn't play match play. He just plays like stroke play. And so he, you know, with like that's good and stuff. His dad would kind of whisper to him like, hey, Mr. Riggs when he's really close, you should tell him it's good. And then he'd be like, Mr. Riggs, that's good. And I'd be like, thank you, Pete. I'm so pissed that he's that nice because like, and we talk about this, but we have to

so let's bring up all the things that we want to say. Larch had some takes on it. And I don't want talking to Pete to skew the way we actually feel about the match, right? And I feel like that's what's happening right now. We just talk to Pete. We see he's a nice kid. He's shooting even par and all this stuff. But like, let's get down to like the crux of.

I agree. The problem with my take is like the details that Riggs shared in the interview, sway now how I feel them out there. Right. Which is a problem. So for people that haven't listened to that yet because it's coming up, we go into it about Riggs's parting gift, right? So Riggs just got beat three and two by a 12-year-old at his golf course.

And as he's walking off the course, everyone who's on their phone sees that Riggs walks over. His bag takes off a putter, a three-wood head cover and goes, and here's my ball that I use, all right? Like almost as if, like, it was when Robbie Mac came up to me, I was like, here's the boss man's ball. Like, thanks for taking care of him. And I, like, pissed my pants because it's Tiger fucking Woods. but, you know, 12-year-old Pete got Riggs his ball.

And, you know, to the average viewer or to the viewer that's looking at this on their phone, it's like, well, now, what the fuck is this? Like, Pete should take a five-iron out and just drop that ball and rip it into the woods and be like, I just dusted you in the game of golf and you're giving me like a sentimental, like the ball you played with wasn't good enough to even beat me. So why should I keep this? Like, what am I going to put it on a fucking, like, shelf? Like, this ball lost to me.

I'm the one, I beat you with that ball. But you know now the context. Okay, so I'm just letting you know that that's what it looks like. So now we get into it that what, like the dad said that he likes that ball or something with the Tiger Woods. Yeah, so like maybe the second hole we were walking and Pete and his dad in between shots are like, hey, like we all morning we are on the website looking at a bunch of the four play gear you guys have. We're like obsessed with the head covers or where we get a head cover. I was like, yeah, no problem. We'll make sure we get all that sent to you.

And then when we're walking up, like 17th hole or something like that, he says, hey, I know you've been using those tiger balls, the Bridgestone balls. Pete thinks those are so cool. There's every way you could give him one of the tiger balls. And I said, well, how about I just give them the one that I'm using? And he was like, really? And I was like, yeah, I don't know if he wants like a little keepsake and it'd be cool.

He was like, man, that would be awesome. And so people also have to realize, like, there were probably 20 or 30 people following. and like between all the shots off camera and stuff, like all of these people are like, hey, thank you so much for doing this. Like,

this is awesome. I can't believe you, like, took this invite and you're showcasing our course and you're like, you're being so friendly with Pete. Like, it means so much to them.

And so I'm like, okay, awesome. And then afterwards, Pete actually gave like a little speech to like the little 20 or 30 people that were there and was like, this is,

thank you so much like Mr. Riggs for coming out here and like playing. I can't believe you did this. So right afterwards, I was like, I'm going to give them this stuff. And I, and I handed it.

him and he immediately took the head cover off his bag and put the one I gave on his clubs. And then he took a picture of the ball and like texted it to all of his friends. And he was super jacked up about it. So me like in that moment, all I cared about was like Pete having the coolest experience he could possibly have. I didn't care about like what's the fucking internet going to think. I was just like Pete's having like the time of his life. No, I think I think the humor is in the fact that like you're giving him something golf

wise. Like you're not giving him something that's like, you know, like almost humor or comedy or whatever we are as a podcast. Right. Like, like, Tiger Woods throws Frankie his ball or whatever. And, like, that's a great golfer giving a great golf, like, you know, a thing to Frankie. You giving, like, the guy that you just lost to this golf stuff is where the humor lies. Like, if at the end you just gave him, like, a four-play towel or something we stand for or whatever, then it makes sense because, like, you're giving, like, you know, something about the experience.

But when you gave the golf ball out of context with that cover, it's like this. golf legend has now just given you like part of what he's touched, which is where I found the humor in just because it's like, it's the opposite, right? Like he's in fact a better golfer and probably for the rest of his life, you'll never be as good as he ever will be. Like, you know what right? But I, but like, that's where it's wanting to be. Right. But that would be, that would be like if you viewed the match as like strictly a golf like match and event. Whereas in reality, the whole thing was like the reason I was there was not because Pete thought I was this amazing golfer. No.

He wanted to beat me. The reason I was there was because they think that we're like a really cool crew that does this show. And so to have like an artifact, if you want to call it that from the actual day that like he was on camera and he got to play like one of the barstool guys had beat him to have like that actual ball versus a random one. Like that was kind of the point. Right.

Totally. And I get that. If you look at it like from an perspective. Well, we've got to look at now is that we're 0 and 1 against teenagers. And that's like, not teenagers, preteens. Preteens. So you said at the time you weren't thinking about the internet, you were just thinking about making Pete happy. Now that you've had some time to reflect on what the internet thinks, where is your mental state?

You know, you have like guys like part of my take, like Hank and stuff saying, I just don't understand. I can lose to a 12-year-old. You got guys like Whitney saying, and not to quote him, but he says a month golfing all day every day in golf paradise. Pinehurst and this scrub fires a smooth 81 on a 6,200. hundred yard course and loses to a 12 year old you can't make this stuff up to a 16,000 like tweet, what do you think that, like, where are you at mentally now that like, because I said during the interview, I think it's amazing you played a 12 year old. I want to lose to a six year old. I think it's funny. I think it's like, because I, however I golf, if there's a six year old out

there that can beat me, then that's something that needs to be filmed because like, that's, that's, something that's incredible, right? Like, I'm going to shoot my game, whatever. And if you can beat me, then like go on and do it. And that's what I did. That's what I, like I didn't lose to a 12 year. I lost to a number. Like the guy shot 79 and beat me.

Like that's just what happened. So I don't care. Like I, I'm actually, if I would have gone out and shot like 91 or something from 60, 200 yards, it would be like, yeah,

that's fucking a bet. Like on the back nine, I shot two over par and lost ground. Like that's, I'm pretty proud of that. There was a ton of talk about the gimmee plus. Now I have to just, like there was a ton of talk about that in the comments,

people messages. Like, do you think that that was like, were you giving putts that were longer because it was a 12 year old? Where do you think that the putts came in? I mean, there was, you know, it seemed like from our perspective, it seemed like every hole. Whenever you guys were three or four or five feet, it was like, let's just pick up and let's go on. Like, whether you're putting for a seven or six, you guys just pick up. Like, so it would have been higher scores is what the debate was. Oh, I didn't even know that.

Like, I wasn't following with the comments. I don't know. Like, if he said, that's good. You know, I picked it up. I didn't, I don't know. I didn't really think much more of it. Where they, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I think that, I mean, our stance is like you lost to a 12-year-old,

but and others think it's like this physical game. It's not. You just lost two. I mean, whatever he is, he's probably a three, two handicat. I don't know, something like that, probably somewhere in there. I don't know what he might be. I don't know. Hold on, but I want to know quickly, what did your score come in as a dip?

Did you, do you remember what you entered? I think like a 9.1 or something. something. Yeah. I mean, so he's beaten. Like when we played, when we played Pioneers number two, we played it from 6,200 yards, the white T's. None of us broke like 90. So it's like, so it's like not right. That's like not that crazy yardage that we play. And I shot about what I always shoot a shotgun 81. So okay, maybe like I didn't know the whole gimmey thing. Let's say I miss a couple of those and I shoot like 83 under a lot of

pressure. Again, that's still not like, that's like what I shoot. So I didn't think. that it was, it's like if I would have got out and shot a 77, people would have been like, that's not what a seven handicap does or, like, that's, that's right. Like you don't, that'd be amazing. And that's what I would have had to do to win. So it's like, I don't, that's, you think you should have won, I guess 12 year old, now looking back. I think we're giving it a lot of more credit because like you didn't now. So like, we're giving him a ton of credit for playing a well, but like, do you think you should have won? I think, I think I've, I very much could have. Like, I don't think it was, um, it was a

situation where there's like this is an inevitable outcome. Like I, if I would have been more comfortable on the first six or seven holes, I should have won. I was like, I was upset at how uncomfortable I was. I just like, over the ball, I just didn't feel comfortable. It's like my swing feels like shit. I don't feel comfortable. I don't. And then it's like, but it's time to hit now. And then I hit and it just didn't go well. So it's like, we've all been in that. So I was upset with myself at that point. After the ninth hole, I felt very comfortable. Like the ninth hole, I burdy. I had a great drive. I had a good three wood. I had a great chip. Made birdie and was one down. And then the back nine, I had, I only missed one green and I had two mistakes.

I chunked the fucking wedge, which we talk about with Pete on 10. And I three jacked on 15. And other than that, I didn't make a mistake. I mean, I missed a bunch of short birdie putts. And he gained ground over that. He beat me one up on the back nine and two or three up overall. So he ended up like gaining ground on those stretch of holes. So it was like on one end, I was, I was feeling like I could have won and should have.

on the other end, I was like, this guy just fucking played better than I did. Yeah, shooting par on the back's insane. I mean, the last 10 holes, you played one over par? Is that what you said? Yeah, because I birdied 10 and I had, and I 38 on the back. So the last 10 holes, I was one over, and I was one, I was two down going into the 10 holes, and I lost three and two. So that one over stretch, he gained holes on it.

Yeah, I mean, so like you're just playing against that. It's like, nobody in this group is picking up scrown on a kid that's any better than that. No, definitely not. A three-year-old, do any of you think, does anybody here think that they would have won? No, but I would not, I mean. No, no, I know. It's not even like a dagger. Like, Lerge, do you think you would have won?

I don't know, that's kind of a tough question. Like, I would like to think that I would have won. You know, but like I wasn't there. Like, I don't know. I mean, I think I could have won. I think I could have lost. Like, I believe in myself to win. But again, like, I, based on the way he scored, if I played against his card,

I would have had to feel comfortable in those six, seven holes. because looking at the card, it looked like there was a lot of like kind of bogeys starting. And if you just could have made a couple early pars, maybe that changes the whole match, you know, in terms of how he feels and the nervousness and match play can be like that. So I just don't know. I mean, like, again, I'm not giving up the reins that says I can't beat a 12-year-old on a podcast like this. I'm going to say I could do it, but I just haven't done it yet. So, yeah, it would be a tough win.

I mean, the kids shot, what did you say, 78 or 79? 79. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, I mean, real tough win. And it was my first time at the core. I'd never seen the golf course before. So each each hole, you're kind of standing with a T.

And I was like, I played pretty well. I thought I drove it well. I just didn't make any puts. And I lost. And it's like, yeah, but it was a 12-year-old. And then all that sounds like you're a fucking pathetic. Which is the best part, which is the best part. Which is the beauty of the whole thing.

That's the humor right there. Because if you just say, oh, yeah, I lost you a three handicapped today or four handicapped or whatever. Nobody cares. But the fact that you lost to a 12-year-old is amazing. Just so much better, I think, for the pocket. Like, you beat a 12-year-less is what you're supposed to do. Like, I don't know people can make fun of you now, obviously.

It's not what the other than that does. But it's way better to lose. Who said, oh, Jake Owen said his grandfather still shoots 78. Like, if we went out and lost to a-96. Yeah, sorry. No, he's 96 years old, but he shoots like 78. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

So if we go out and we lose to a 96-year-old, I mean, that is hysterical. like I would love for all of us to go play him and make it a, you know, video series of us losing a 96 year old. I think it's great for the point. It's great for us, like the comedy brand to not be able to beat 12 year olds at 8 year olds and 98 year olds. I think the only thing that like a lot of people were ragging on rigs a lot was is that he like you are like a more, like you love to be able to get your game to a lower level than like an average person. Like you want to be really good. So like I think that that is why a lot of people are taking this. to like a level where it's like you should like be really upset and mad that you lost a 12 year old when like

if Trent lost a 12 year old well obviously like me and Trent lose to 12 real because like we don't care as much about like that like getting our like I'm not going to shoot a 78 I guess it's not what's going to happen right yeah I think I think like there is sort of a rigs thinks he's really good match out there even though like we come on the show and talk about like never have a plan every swing from the first tee to the 18T is a completely different golf swing but like I do think people perceive me to want to be good way more than probably the other people on the show. And that's true. I very much want to be good at golf.

And I just am not. And it's very frustrating. And you're at Pioneers for every day. So we're watching you like being able to get better than all of like we're all just sitting in. Like you're just playing at Pioneers like golf heaven. So it's like it came at the worst time for your perception, for people's perception of you in the game of golf because they're watching you every day.

Like your videos are getting a ton of views. Like everyone's watching you playing and putting and tripping. and tripping with Nick Faldo and all this stuff and then you play a 12 year old and you lose it's like well like I guess nothing helps them you know at that point it's like well what do you what more do you want like I would say if you could get over the stigma of like getting roasted and people like making fun of you then the whole thing everything's

positive everything's awesome it's like we're putting out content we're getting Dave's commenting on it Whitney's commenting on it part of my takes commenting on it Nick Fowler's commenting on it as opposed to just sitting and doing nothing yeah correct so all that's it's just It's an over. So I wasn't like, I didn't read the shit because I didn't like care after. And like what,

so I haven't even seen a lot of that stuff. Like I saw Whitney's tweet because every time I look, it's got eight million likes. It's crazy. I saw Whitney's tweet and I saw like, Hank's, but it's like at that point I knew what people were going to be saying. And I knew like everything that we've talked about.

So I was very like happy with it. Like they were super pumped. Everybody at CCNC was excited. A lot of the comments were like, or at least, you know, we all get preferred, we all get preferred comments and like our

DMs and stuff where people were like messaging me like, hey dude, thank you so much for putting on like this match. Like I know you lost, but this was the most fun fucking thing I've watched in a long time. So if you could get rid of the stigma, which is not always easy to do of like you're being made fun of for losing to a fucking preteen at a golf course and you take golf very seriously. How did that happen? Then overall it's like a massive success and I'm pretty excited about it. Plus at the end of the day, it's like about a golf mat.

It has nothing. It's like it's like it's just about a golf match. It's not like. Right. That's exactly right. And it's like not like I said, I was going to go out and shoot 72. and then like shot 81 and I should be embarrassed. Like, no, I pretty much shoot like low 80s a lot. And that's what I did under pressure.

And the 12 year old beat me and shot better. So that's like, yeah. That's why I said to so many, I was like, well, like, he'd beat you too. Yeah, no. Do you shoot 70? Like, are you going to break 80? If you're not, then he's going to beat you. And like, people got to say, the first, the first five or six holes,

it was legit still trying to get used to, like, there were 20 or 30 people following us. Like, that's, they're like, they're, like, like clapping every time. It was, it was, they were only clapping for the fucking kid, too. So it's like, it was insane. So it's like, you know, he would hit a good drive and they'd go nuts. They'd be like, yeah, Pete. They're all proud of him. They should have paid for some fans to show off there. Here comes the fucking 33 year old like podcast guy who better, he better be able to hit one down the middle of two. Oh my God, he can't. Like, what is he doing? So who's that the first sporting event with fans and the entire country would be Pete and, uh, and rigs at at this country club.

It was preposterous. And they were, you know, the country club was great about like making sure everybody stayed apart. They had like a household rule, I believe. So it was like if you're of the same household, you could be a cluster. And if you live together, but otherwise you got to be like on the separate sides of the fairway. So people were kind of spread out and whatnot. But it was still like, there's still people.

If a group pulls up behind us on the tee, every one of us is nervous as you can possibly imagine, even though we still put videos online all the time. And then so it was like getting used to that took. took a while. And then after five or six holes, I felt, I still felt like, okay, now I'm used to this a little bit. Still, like, had a couple bad swings, made a double on like eight, but then it was like, okay, I feel good. My swing feels. So it was weird trying to take it seriously against the 12, which you people will find out when you hear Pete in a few minutes, who was very young and 12. I'm also like in their kitchen, like just behind the whole like squatting with the phone and

like just didn't, didn't face anybody. Like this kid was nails the whole day. It was wild. Yeah, he was he was like good under pressure. I was impressed. You got to be, Riggs, you got to be rooting for him to become like the best golfer of all time. Because that number one,

15 years from now, you can look back and be like, yeah, no shit I lost to Pete. He just won a fucking green jacket. Yeah. You know what the worst thing could be is like if he doesn't make

like his varsity golf team or something in high school, it's going to be the worst look for me of all time. Like I need to make sure he becomes a stud. You have stay in touch with Pete and make sure he's like everything's, you know, cross the teaves and dot in the eyes

and everything's fucking on its way to being on the PGA tour because you need that story. That's a great story in 20 years. If like, you know, they'll go back and look at that footage, be like, look, when he was 12 years old, he beat rigs. And there was like the local news was there. That guy had cameras all over the place.

And they put out like a huge tripod, a huge camera. Massive. And that guy didn't give a fuck about anything. He was just getting right in our grill. Like I'd hit a shot and go to clean my club and like put it back in my back. And the camera was like coming out of my bag as I'm doing. What the fuck?

What is going on here? So it was weird, but it was fun. It was actually, it was like, it was a rush to play a match, a golf match like that. It's just, he was 12, which is weird. Pete also has, like, some personality. I think a lot of you guys are like, oh, he's the nicest kid in the world. He's so, you know, he's giving Rick's compliments. It's like, yeah, this kid had some personality too.

Like, I would go up to him and be like, what do you think? And then he literally calls, like, Riggs three jack on 15. And I was, like, walking up the fairway. And I was like, you know, you might have a girlfriend after this. And he's like, yeah, I might. I'm down. I think he's funny. So anyways, that's it.

We got to figure out where to go from here. We got to figure, like, do I have to play somebody younger? Can I play another 12? Like, what do I, what can I do? I don't really know what to do. A string of rigs versus 12-year-olds would be great. You know, like, they're all going to be varying handicaps. And you don't want to, like, if you say you're going to play against the handicap number, it stinks.

But if you say that you're playing against, like, you're just going to go out and you're going to play a bunch of 12-year-olds. I think that's gold. I think that like string after 10 matches, if you're like three and seven, it's just tremendous. I like it. I like it. We'll have to figure something out. But anyways, that's it.

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Is that what you guys are saying? I think that's the way to go, yeah. Trevor Emelman was a fantastic interview, so I want people to be able to hear that right away. He's really, really, really good. So next up, we've got 2008 Masters Champ, captain of the President's Cup, International President's Cup team coming up next year, 2021,

Trevor Embleman. All right, we're joined by a very special guest. We have the 2008 Masters champ. He beat out Tiger Woods, which we will get into. he's the future, well, the current, I guess, captain for the International President's Cup team coming up in 2021. Trevor Emelman, welcome to the show for the first time, my friend. Hey, guys, thanks a lot for having me.

It's great to join you guys. So where are you coming, you know, to us from here? What's kind of your quarantine setup been? Yeah, I'm in Orlando. It's where I've lived for a long time now, almost 20 years. And so how it all went down for me was up at the players during the live from for Golf Channel And finished on the Thursday Finished our show and you know started hearing some rumors about you know what might take place

And next thing you know The event is cancelled and I'm driving down the I-95 back to Orlando and this is where I've been ever since just hanging out And you know hoping this thing can pass as quick as possible so we can get back out there and try and get back to some kind of normal. You've been great, I think, on the live front and all that coverage. How much, you know, I mean, I know it's quite different than playing, but it's the other side of it, but how much do you enjoy being involved in the broadcasting? I do. I actually really love it. I got to say, I get a similar kind of a thrill preparing and doing the broadcast is what I did when I was playing.

And so that aspect makes it quite a lot of fun, as well as the fact of the, of the fact of the you know, still being in touch with the game to me is really cool. I'm a huge fan of sports and a massive fan, obviously, of golf. So just to be a part of it at the highest level, talking about the best players and how good they are at the best golf courses, for me, at the biggest tournaments, that's a lot of fun. And also just to be a part of a team, trying to get something done and put a good product on TV. That's a process that I really do enjoy. So yeah, it's been a pretty cool run here for the last couple of years. Hopefully it can keep grown and get bigger and better.

Did you consume much golf media before? I mean, when you were a player, were you into it? Would you watch coverage? Would you watch golf channel coverage, reaction, you know, Golf Central live from? Or do you kind of stay away from it and stick to what you were doing? Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I would go through moments when I would pay a lot of attention to it. But for the most part, I tried to just keep it to one side because, you know, I felt like I would disagree with what people would say and that would get me angry.

And so, you know, I didn't feel like that was healthy for me or for my game. And what I figured out early on in my career is for me to play as well as what I could play, I had to be like super focused, super selfish and just really get into my own little bubble and try and get rid of as many distractions as possible. So for the most part, that's what I did throughout my career until now. Now that I'm a part of it, the media space, I pay attention to everything and keep an eye on everything and make sure I'm as up to date as possible. Yeah, I've always, I think we were chatting last week with a couple different guys about, you know, Brandel Chambly and obviously you work with him. Now we've had him on the show many times. But I always wondered as a player, like if Brandl goes on one of his three or four minute spiels break. down every part of your game or what you should be working on. I feel like that could just mess

you up for years. Yeah, there's no, look, there's no doubt about it. And it's interesting how stuff like that starts to creep out at a golf tournament. You know, a couple of caddies may start talking about it and then starts feeding its way into the players. And before you know, the guy that he was talking about knows exactly what was going on. So that does get out there. I've got to say, though over the years. I've enjoyed working with Brandl. He's one of the guys that, you know, does a lot of homework and preparation. And whether I agree with him or not, or anybody else agrees with him or not, I do appreciate the work that he puts in. So, you know, every now and then it's good to ruffle a few feathers. You guys know, you guys know about that, right?

Oh, yeah. That's roughling. I know your man, your man, John Huggins sends his regards, by the way. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I'm sure he's, I'm sure he's. going to be the first one to listen to this show when it comes up. There's no way he has any idea what a podcast is or what Apple is or iTunes or Apple. I think he's subscribed. He's all in. He's following you guys like a whole. What do you send you that note with a,

with one of those pens with the ink and he, and he licked the outside of it. It's good stuff, man. Trevor, when you're doing coverage, have you ever, like,

has that ever creeped into your mind? Like, if you say something constructive about a player, you know that they're going to kind of just, just because of what you were saying, like you used to not want to consume a lot of it because it would make you go crazy. Have you ever thought about that as you're going in on someone's game

or someone maybe has a tripping gifts or something and you're really talking about it and you really want to touch on it because you know personally that's going to get into the caddy, it's going to get to his head. Has that ever affected you being on both sides or no? I've absolutely thought about it. I mean, I'd be lying to if I said I haven't.

The rule that I stick to, though, is if I'm going to say something on air, I would want to say that to that guy's face. I'd be willing to say that to his face. And so, look, at times, you're kind of straddling that fence of, you know, should I go there or not? But for me, as long as I'm not getting personal and I'm just making an observation or some constructive criticism that I think is valid through my experience, then I'm going to go for it. And for the most part, you know, I still put myself out there at events. I go out to the range.

I walk the golf course, make sure that I'm speaking to all the players and can. daddy. And so from that, you know, standpoint, I give them the opportunity to come at me if I've said something that may have got under their skin a little bit. So, you know, I'm fine with that. I'll say what I think in that moment. And I'll going to have to live with it after that. Yeah, we've, I mean, Brandel said it on our show many times too. He's like, well, we got to fill time on TV. So he's like, you know, there's only so many ways that I can break down tigers swing and sort of the bigger guys they go through. So at some point, I have to break it down and I have to say things to fill time. And I believe in what I'm saying. I've done the research,

but that's my job is to do that. And if certain people don't like it, or can handle it, it's probably smartest to do like you said and just ignore all of it or try or don't pay any attention or whatever. So, yeah, I mean, look, look, why do people tune into a broadcast anyway? They're wanting to be entertained. They're wanting to watch some of their favorite athletes and see how they play, see if they're going to, you know, fall off dramatically or if they're going to hit a miraculous shot. And so the goal of the broadcast is to enhance that and make that as entertaining as possible. So the people on the crew always have to keep that in mind. And I could be wrong, but I think Brandel said that he doesn't go to the range. He doesn't interact with the players. He

just throws stones and stays away. You're a little bit brave. Yeah, I like that. Just clubs down around the range waiting to take a hook for many of the players that you said what you pleased about. Yeah, I mean, you've got to be ready for it. You walk out there and say hi to everybody and see what happens. But like I said, I do honestly believe that for the most part, players, golfers, professional golfers are really honest with themselves. It's a pretty cutthroat industry, very small amount of people make it to the highest level. And so a lot of us are very, very honest with ourselves. And so if you can just give constructive criticism that's valid, guys are going to accept that.

So as long as you stay away from the personal stuff, I think you're going to be okay. Yeah, I like you. Brandel's always said whenever people criticize it for not being on the range, he always says he doesn't need to be down there, you know, having people kind of coat the stuff that he's seeing with the caddies' BS or what they think they're working on.

He's like, no, I can just see it. And I'm just going to break it down. So that's his way of doing it. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. He's been successful for a long time doing this job. So I'll let him do what he's doing. So President's Cup, you are the captain for the international team coming up next year, Quail Hollow.

Not too far from where I'm at right now in North Carolina. So with everything going on, and there's been all this different discussion about moving events, schedule, are we going to be able to play in a month, two months, a year? Was it going to be? What's it been like, you know, behind the scenes with you and with all the kind of organizational aspects on planning for what to do going forward? Well, the thing is, with the way the world has been the last couple months, stuff seems to change daily. And so for the President's Cup being in September, end of September of 21, that feels like it's so far away.

We've got to try and get back to playing here at the end of this year. Hopefully we can get the Ryder Cup off on schedule and then move from there. But for me, looking at my team, really just looking to get these guys out playing again, safely, obviously. And hopefully, you know, these guys can get out there and start playing some golf and we can start the qualification period and then stuff will fall into place from there. But, you know, our team had a nice run there in Melbourne. It felt like a slightly different energy from an international team standpoint.

So we're just trying to hold on to that a little bit of momentum. We felt like we created and see if we can give it another run in Charlotte. Yeah, you, you know, you've been a part of a lot of. lot of President's Cups. The one in Melbourne was the first one that we've ever been to. We were all there. And for us, it was awesome. I mean, you know, people comparing it to Rider Cup and people like to try to take digs.

And it's not the same. And it was, I thought it was just as good. The first Rider Cup I was ever at was the year before in Paris. And I thought it was the same, it was the same energy. It was the crowd was into it. The players cared. There was some drama off the course and on. the course and it just brought it to such a level of we we just kept saying like this is so

fun even us as media like we wanted to be there early every day consuming the entire event was that the best president's cup you think you've seen you've been a part of yeah i do think so and for a couple of reasons number one you know when you've got captains like tiger and ernie two guys that transcend the game really two of our biggest stars in the modern era you throw in an iconic golf course like Royal Melbourne, Australia and Melbourne, the city of Melbourne, which are massive sport countries and regions. And then you've got that nice scenario of a team that's like a massive underdog that starts to play pretty good at the start of the event. So we had so many cool things going for us there. Like you say, there was a little bit of drama going with it.

and it was great to be a part of. For me, it was an amazing energy in our locker room. We had seven rookies on the team and the youngest team in the history of the President's Cup. So there were a lot of guys just trying to find their way, but it was nice to see them grow during that week and really enjoy the opportunity of playing against the star-studded team like the Americans had.

So that was really cool. And then Sunday, you know, what a letdown when you feel like you come that close. And you're like, you can see the finish line right there. And we did all the hard work in the first few days. We knew the American team would come out firing. We knew they were fantastic in the singles format. And so we just fell a little bit short there. But some lessons were learned from all of our youngsters.

And I think you can also see that, by the way, they've played here. since that President's Cup, a number of those guys going on to win some events. So, you know, hopefully we can keep building. We're going to have to eventually win this thing to keep it interesting. We haven't had a very good track record here in the last 12 or 13 Cups.

Yeah, it was interesting. I mean, we're obviously all American guys. We were rooting for the American team, but part of us just as golf fans of being there, being immersed in the whole scene and Melbourne and the golf course and how well the international team you guys did bringing everybody together. It was almost like part of you wanted to see them be able to pull this thing off

because you had done everything right. You had made the way that Ernie and you guys had run the team and captained it, the way that the players, all the different challenges that you guys have with different cultures, different language barriers coming together. And then in front of that crowd, it was almost like when they talk about, you know, we're big hockey guys, not that we're a hockey podcast, when they talk about the 1980 miracle on ice, they talk about some of the Russian players look back and say,

you know, we were actually excited to see the Americans because they had legitimate emotion when they won that we've never felt before because we're just the Russian army. So it almost felt a little bit, a little bit like that of like, oh, wow, they're going to, they're going to do it and then it didn't. So it was a, it was a really, really cool thing I thought overall, how well you guys did.

So talk a little bit about that challenge of kind of bringing everybody together from all the different countries, cultures, languages. How much of an added challenge do you guys have? There's no doubt it's the biggest hurdle we have. It's become a little easier over the years as the majority of these players have started playing more on the PGA tour. But when it comes down to it, the 12 guys that we're going to put on the golf course, you're going to have probably seven, eight or nine different countries represented there.

And so like you say, the culture differences, the language barriers, That is something substantial. You know, something as trivial as food that's being served in our team rooms, you've got to make sure that you're covering all aspects of different cultures and guys and what they like to do the way their routines are and what they like to eat before they play. So these are little things that you might not be aware of that we really had to pay a lot of attention to. That's one of the areas I thought Ernie did such a great job. You know, we started prepping about a lot of.

a year and a half out. I remember the US Open at Shinnecock was when we had our first meeting with 30 or 40 guys. And he started to explain to him the way he thought things would unfold and the way he would like to go about it and the identity that he would like to bring to our squad. And so, yeah, man, I give him so much credit. I've known him since I was seven or eight years old. He's just always been like a mentor to me and somebody that I've looked up to. And gosh, I was so proud of him that week. He came with a lot of intensity and a great energy to our team. You know, those, the young guys, those seven rookies I was talking about, they responded to him in an amazing fashion, particularly because of all the success that he had had at Royal Melbourne

throughout his career. I mean, Shucks, he shot a 60 there. one of the tournaments we played. So, you know, the guys really looked up to him from that standpoint. And I feel like, you know, I know this sounds really weird because we lost. And we've been drummed in this tournament, you know, throughout the history. But there's a certain aspect of it that feels like we've turned the page and we've got something to try and build off of at the very least. And so that's what's excited us looking forward to Charlotte.

Yeah, I think those are things we notice, too. I mean, everything down to the logo felt like very international and felt bonding. And I think just like being there, I think it definitely felt like there was direction to the team. And it's interesting that you know it all the way down to the meals. And that's something I would just never think of, but makes total sense that people are, you know, in a process, regimented. They know exactly what they want to do and like how they need to behave before these rounds. So I definitely, like, it was just very interesting noticing that. and obviously noting the record, the history,

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So we chased kangaroos. We'd never seen kangaroos before. Track them down. We were those asshole Americans running around. We thought we were going to see them. We thought there would be kangaroos just like on the streets. No, we had to go track them down and chase them, which ended up being kind of scary. But that city center where you,

where you guys did the chip off and that hole with the river. And it was, I just, we didn't, yeah, we didn't know anything about Melbourne and the city. We'd even know it was considered that big of a, of a sports hub, you know,

somebody right when we got there, they were like, the biggest sports city in the world. We were like, what are they talking about? And then the more we, the more we learned about it with, from all the different sports,

we're like, oh, this is like the sports hub of the world. So it was just kind of ignorance, dumb American ignorance, whatever you want to call it. But we were just kind of soaking it all up. We got to play some great golf,

Kingston, Royal Melbourne was just stunning. So we actually, on Monday, or no, Sunday, right, when we arrived, we got straight up the plane and played Kingston Heath, which is, of course, right next to Royal Melbourne. So it was the same, you know, the sand, all the same type of terrain, how firm and fast it was. We got to play that and then go witness the tournament, the event at Royal Melbourne all weekend. We were just telling people for the days leading up to it,

like be prepared to watch some golf shots that you are not used to seeing. because we just experienced it. We're like, oh, my God, it's going to be it. And it was. It was watching guys land the ball short of greens and the front part of greens and then spin it, like rolling all the way back before it spent. And just all the different. And Tiger's creativity coming out and learning how to use the shelves and who was good at that and who wasn't.

It was just so cool to witness. At first, the tee shot, like the ball's going into the bunker. They were going to the waist area. It was like it was like they were hitting on concrete. It was like nothing we've ever seen before. You know, for me as a huge golf fan, it's so much fun. We have this debate all the time about distance and, you know, should golf, should the golf ball be rolled back? Should the club head size be rolled back?

Course is being made longer. And you go to a place like Royal Melbourne and you see how it changes day after day, depending on the weather conditions, where the wind is coming from. We saw guys hitting, you know, four irons off the tee at number one. We saw guys going for the green with driver. we saw guys hitting it pin high right with driver. I mean, there's all sorts of stuff going on on every hole. And I think, you know, that was another aspect that made the event so much fun is because you saw players being taken out of their comfort zone

away from what they're used to having to always play like and really strategize. And we were going through every morning, you know, where the whole locations are, what you're going to have to hit off the tee, where's the best place to leave the ball on approach. There's a real strategy to it. And for me, that was so much fun. You talk about Tiger as well. I mean, the golf course like that is just built for this guy. You know, we probably haven't seen, you know, maybe Hogan, maybe Nicholas, somebody who can really strategize to that standpoint.

Number one, number two, be disciplined enough to stick to that. And then number three, be good enough to actually pull all those shots off. you know he did play some pretty impressive golf that week yeah it was uh it was just it it was so unique to watch the different it wasn't just fly it and stop it it wasn't gouge it out of the rough it was the creativity coming out through all the different players and how well and you could tell throughout the week how much better guys got at certain shots where you'd watch the coverage you know on on friday and you'd see some guys hit hit a shot into a green that would end up in a stunning place and then by sunday you know you're

watching them flight something or landed in the front part and skip it back there. And it was just kind of, you don't get to see that enough. So the course was obviously the maybe the biggest star, but we did. We loved the city, the town. We got to play a little bit of golf, like we said. So for us, it was, I mean, the whole thing, all the fans, there were people from all over the world that we ran into that we either just like met by chance or they happened to kind to listen to the show that were like, how fun is it?

So I think overall it was just the whole thing was super fun. I thought it was a massive success outside of you guys losing, of course. Yeah. Small drop, maybe in the heat. I thought the same way. I thought it was a massive success other than us losing. But, you know, I got to say, when I look forward to Quail Hollow, I can see something similar developing there

when you consider the way that golf course is and then playing in a match play format. You know, there's so many holes there where there's like a real risk reward, opportunity. And when you're playing match play, you might see some guys take on a few things. A couple of drive-bable par fours. You've got par fives with water. You've got the green mile. So I think that's really going to set up like a really good match play style course.

And, you know, you talk about Melbourne being a huge sports city. You know, our events in North Carolina get some pretty good crowd support as well. So I think the atmosphere there is going to be. amazing. Real quick to go back to the Australia President's Cup. We were on the other side of this, obviously, but when we saw Abraham answers

comments that were saying, I want Tiger Woods, what were some of the, like, behind the scenes, stuff with that? I know, like, his comments may have gotten taken out of, you know,

context a little bit, because I know even me, like, I was on Twitter being like, oh, you want the Terminator? Like, you're going to get the Terminator. That's how this whole thing started with Huggins.

I said, I said, well, Tiger Woods, you want Tiger Woods. I hope Tiger Woods beats you to the point you never want to play the game of golf again. And all old man media said, well, you're not supposed to say that. I mean, love each other. Anyway, but like what were the vibes on that? Like, obviously you have Tiger Woods on the other side. When we step back and thought about it, when you took a step back, you're like, well, yeah,

like you should want the guy like Abraham to be like, I want that guy. Like, what are you supposed to do? Go up there and just kiss his feet and say you win. Like, you need to have some sort of competition. So yeah, you know, it was an interesting time. I think it was a great learning process for Abe. You know, all of that went down at Myakoba, which, you know, he's playing in Mexico. He was just a huge star over there, you know, up and coming star with golf and was asked some questions in Spanish and gave the answers.

And once it was all translated into English, it didn't quite sound the same. So, you know, so he took a little. bit of a beating there, you know, from people like saying, man, you're calling out Tiger Woods. What the hell are you thinking? But, you know, it is what it is. Stuff like that happens. I think he handled it really well. He explained his situation.

He explained the respect that he has for Tiger Woods and what he's done for the game. And, you know, he was one of our stars that week. Yeah, yeah. The kid is a stud, man, and he has got a lot of guts and a lot of game to back it up. and I spent a lot of time with that match on Sunday and he played some great golf but you could see Tiger had that little extra chip on his shoulder

number one he he knew what was said and the great ones always keep something like that in their back pocket just to keep them pissed off and keep them going and then number two his team was behind and he knew that he had to start the momentum for them teeing off first on Sunday

so he wanted to be able to out there and played a pretty flawless round of golf and, you know, we've had a bit of fun with Abe over the last few months, that last pot where tigers hit it and halfway to the hole. He's got a hat off. We've had a bit of fun with him, but, you know, the guy is an absolute beauty. The more time you spend with Abe, you realize this guy is salt to the earth. He's got an amazing sense of humor, great work ethic. And so I think he's going to be one of our international stars for the future on the PGA tour.

Have you guys seen that edited video of that? Yeah. Someone like Photoshopped it so that when Tiger hits the put, he's already walking over. Put goes for like 20 feet. He's already off the hole before it goes in. The best part of the Twitter, the best part about that edit is they put like Woods wins three and two, like the ball's eight, like 18 feet from the whole. Yeah.

Yeah, they separated somehow. It's so good. It's so good. So some of the other youngsters on our team, you know, Neiman and Cam Smith and the like, who are so social media savvy. I mean, they're sending him this stuff all the time. So it's made a bit of a joke. But like I said, he's handled it so well.

And I think he learned a lot that week. And he also showed the world that, you know, he's up and coming. And he's throwing his hat in the ring to be one of the next youngsters. So I love the guy. He's a good. It's cool. It's so good for the event overall that I think from your, guys team just in December.

I mean, emerged a bunch of likable and very fierce, competitive guys that weren't afraid. They handled the pressure of the situation incredibly well and they were incredibly close to getting the win. So it's awesome for the event going forward. Twenty-21 will be phenomenal. We've talked a lot

about Tiger thus far. We've talked about one of your defeats, which is, of course, losing the President's Cup. But now we can talk about one of your victories where you took down Tiger at Augusta National. What are you kind of, when somebody brings that up, you know, the Masters, 2008 Masters and taken down Tiger Woods, beating by three strokes, what is kind of the first thing?

What's the first memory that comes to mind? Oh, jeesh, that's a good question. You know, I think walking up the 18th Fairway on that Sunday, I watched my first Masters, 1986, on TV as a six-year-old. in South Africa. And, you know, you stayed up late. You got, you know, I love the game. I've started when I was five and I'm just immersing myself in the game,

even though I'm a youngster. And ask my kids if I can stay up to watch the Masters, the final round. And I see Jack make this incredible comeback when he's sixth green jacket. And so when you fast forward to 2008, and I've figured out after hitting, my second shot that I've got a three-shot lead and not even I can screw it up from here. I realized that I'm now making the same walk that I saw Jack make in 86. And that was one of the things that made me fall in love with the game. So that's the thing that jumps out to me.

How surreal that moment was that that was a huge part of my upbringing in the game and something that really made me fall in love with it. And here all of a sudden I'm in the same situation. It was quite a heavy moment for me, but really cool that I had this three-shot lead and I could walk up and really pay attention to what was going on. Like I said earlier, for me to compete at my best, I had to be really focused, really single-minded. But in that moment, because I had that lead, I could pick my head up and look around and notice some people in the crowd, see my wife and kid behind the green.

that was something that, you know, I've, up until that moment and since haven't really experienced. It was almost like an out-of-body experience for me then. Were you much of a, like a scoreboard watcher, were you keeping tabs closely or not much on where everything was at? Because, you know, you ended up building a pretty sizable lead and the kind of the back nine, it almost looked like there's no way you were. going to win. Yeah, and I don't, I don't watch scoreboards at all. I found earlier on in my career that when I was in the hunt, if I was ahead and watching the leaderboard, I started playing

too defensively and would screw it up. And if I was behind, I would take on shots that I didn't need to and I would screw it up. And so eventually I was like, this system doesn't work. I've just got to focus on myself, like I've been touching on, like really Uber focused on my own game. And so, So that's what I did. It's funny. I look at the leaderboards and I see names, but I don't see numbers. And I just, at that time, I had so much confidence in my game that I really did believe that if I played my best, I would, I'd have a good shot at winning. And so that was what I was focused on. I think the other thing that played to my advantage that day was that the weather was so bad with the heavy, gusting winds that you really couldn't think too far ahead. It was just like a disaster waiting to happen on every shot. So, you know, it really kind of kept me in the moment there.

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fathom in eight million years having access to something like that. What are those dinners like every year? Yeah, we're sworn to secrecy, so I can't share with you. No, man, it's amazing. Invariably at some point during the evening, I'll sit back and just take a look in the room and see all these guys that, you know, I've been trying to. to emulate throughout my career in one way or another and just think to myself, you know, how the heck did you get into this room? But it's amazing. It's a great feeling of camaraderie. And, you know, even the older champions that come back year after year that aren't playing, you can feel from them how much they're enjoying that moment and how special that evening

is to them. And so, you know, it's almost like it gives them some youth again. So it really is something that's very special. And I got to say, I was looking forward to this year's one because Tiger, Tiger was going for fajitas. I'm a massive fajita fan. And so, you know, hopefully we get another go in November and he sticks to that menu. Do you usually like sit next to the same guys? You like to mix it up?

Yeah. So what happens is it's a long rectangular table. The head of the table is the chairman. the defending champion, and then Ben Crenshaw, who emcees the evening. And the rest of the guys just have their spots. So the most uneasy player, unless he's won before and had a particular spot that he sat in, is the guy who's now no longer sitting at the head of the table, and he's scrambling around trying to find where he's going to sit.

But I sit down on the far corner. Next to your mate, Sir Nick Feldo, I see he's been given. a hard time. But every day with that guy. I know, he's just wearing you out. You're going to have to block him or something. I consider it. It's like there's nothing. I can't, he's just beating me to a pulp every day. It's like, I can't, you're better than I have at golf. You won six majors. I'm just rigs. Like, I know. I can't say anything. I don't know. You lost to a 12 year old recently. Oh, I actually, you know, I was trying to search to find out what was the result of the 12-year-old match. How did that go down?

He beat me three and two. On nine or 18? On 18, thank you. Oh, man. Yeah. So did he take his hat off about four feet before the ball went in the hole? No joke. Like, yeah, kind of.

He also, he had a moment, which I didn't know in real time, but we're walking up 15, and I hit it to like 20 feet. He hit it to like 40 feet. I was two down at the time. And he told the camera without me noticing. He goes, I'm going to two put this. Riggs is going to three putt. I really like my situation.

And that's exactly what fucking happened. Now he's getting like Tony Romo. He's calling everything before him. So, yeah, he was cocky and he beat me. How, I put this on my sheet. Like, how good were you when you were 12? Like, do you think, like, what handicap weekend golfer would you have beaten when you were 12? Yeah, I was pretty good. I was a scratch handicap at 12.

Definitely us. Yeah, there you go. I was a scratch handicap at 12 and, you know, started playing a lot of junior events all over South Africa and then a couple years later moved on to play here in the States, AJGA and junior world and stuff like that. So it was at that time that I met the guys that I would play against for the rest of my career. You know, guys like Sergio and Luke Donald and Adam Scott. Paul Casey, Justin Rose, those kinds of guys. So a pretty cool time, you know, being able to travel the world as a youngster

and play some golf and experience a whole lot of things, meet the guys that you're going to be playing against for the next 20 years or so. So, yeah, I was one of those guys that developed quite early and now at 40 I hold a microphone for a little. I got to, well, you do it well, I got to tell you. There's nothing, there's no feeling weirder in the world than getting like ready for a golf match and your opponent's 12.

Like I was like, I'm marking my golf ball and like putting teas in my pocket and stretching and it's like I'm literally going to go to the tea and there's going to be a 12 year old child who's going to be like my opponent for the day is very bizarre. So is there any smack talk during the round or was he respectful at least?

Incredibly respectful. He was like, I was laughing like in between shots. He'd be like, like Mr. Riggs, that's where me and my brother go fish over there, that palm. So he's killing you with kindness as well as on the golf course. Do you respond to him or did you keep a straight focus? Of course I responded to. I went in with this plan of I'm going to like, I'm going to be ruthless.

I'm going to make them so uncomfortable. And it was like, oh, like, okay, P. tell me a little bit more. That's great. What kind of fish do you guys catch? Are you using? plastic's a live thing you go to do that's how it was it was weird in that in that clip when he was saying that you were getting a little like I think you realized that things were starting to get away

because you were bean lying to the green like 30 yards ahead of him like he was just talking to the camera and you see you with your push guard like walking as fast as you can to the green to make sure you got out there first I'm like oh man like riggs at that moment realized that it was all done it was done yeah things got heated I mean that match it was went from we're having a good time to like all of a sudden i was three down i was like well shit what's going i mean we both started off sloppy it was ugly on the front but then he shot even par of the back nine so yeah geez you know wow wow that's impressive so is there gonna be a rematch or what i you know i would love to rematch him and maybe i don't know if i need to

find a younger opponent i don't even know what i need to do but there's there's been talks of a rematch maybe at pinehurst something like that nice nice nice nice We're going to have them on the show. We're going to chat with him right after we're done here. That's good. Tell him, I say, well done. Yeah, I will. We've often had, so we have this thing called like from the gallery and people will ask us a bunch

of questions like, you know, off the beaten path type of questions, whatever. One of the biggest ones that we've had was if you had the choice to start your PGA tour career, would you take like 15 PGA tour wins but no majors or would you take like that one major, like that one? So for you, like you had two PGA tour wins, one of them being the master. Now looking back on your on your career like if you were to sign up if a genie was like, hey, like you'll win 20 PGA tour events, but you'll never win a major. You'll win the John Deere Classic. You'll all these like whatever like these turns, but you'll you'll rack up good. You'll be high on the money list. You'll be a top player. You'll have good sponsors, but you're never going to have that. You're not going to put on that green jacket. Like would you would you change the way your career went that way or would you always want to be sitting at that dinner and and having the green jacket? and being a master's champion who beat Tiger Woods. Yeah, I wouldn't change it.

Yeah. But dude, you know, I'm up to see that? You see that? Like, come on. Look at that thing. Look at that thing, Frankie. Talk. You know, I feel like, I feel like, yeah, look, it's a great question.

And I think you could debate it back and forth for quite some time. You know, I feel like for me, you know, I had a solid career. I wasn't, you know. what's the best way to put this? Look, I mean, I want 11 times around the world. I want a couple of big events, only twice here in the States on the PGA tour. Do I feel like I could have done a lot better? Yes, absolutely. I think there's some certain things that if I look back now, I wish I had done differently, the way I'd managed my career and some of the decisions that I'd made. I think I might have had a little bit more success. But, you know, all in all, the effort was there, the passion was

there, the love was there. And I'm pretty thankful for what I've got. You know, the game of golf whilst I was playing and now, since I'm playing less and starting to do TV and having opportunities like being captain in the President's Cup team for the internationals is, you know, what this game has given me is substantial. Oh, yeah. And so, you know, I'm thankful for every little break I get. But it's a great question. But I got to tell you, you know, when when somebody comes up to me with one of those yellow flags or I get one in the mail, somebody asking me to sign it. It's a pretty cool feeling. I got one right there. Maybe I'll have you signed. Yeah. I see, wait, was that that PGA flag wasn't there when you interviewed Seth Ball, was it?

No, it wasn't. I had to go. He called you out on that. Immediately. I had to go trek back to New York City into like the, the, the, the virus. The center of the virus to go grab that flag because in case we talked to Seth Wagon, I needed that thing up. I know. You better take a photo and send it to him. You can get him off your back now on that one. Oh, man.

But yeah, I think it's far, I mean, the master's like listening to you talk about, like, walking up 18. That was great. Just like, I mean. Probably you get the golf ball after that. We've talked. That's another thing. Like, you're saying, oh, yeah, I don't have to.

to think anymore. Like, I'm reminiscing about what Jack Nicholas did. Now I'm doing it. Like, what if you just blade that shot? Now all of a sudden, like, now it's a two-stroke lead. Like, let's calm down here, Trevor. Let's get the ball in the hole first. Well, if I rewind a few minutes prior to that, like we touched on, I wasn't looking at the leaderboards. And so I hit my second shot on the green. You've got that usual front left hole location. I knew my ball had settled down in that bowl there, so I was only 15 feet away. and I hit an eight iron in and I give the club back to my caddy

he's given me my putter and I said to him I said to him hey Neil how are we doing and he says oh no no no it's all good you've got a three shot lead and I was like three shot lead and now my mind's spinning because now I'm trying to figure out so I said to him

so wait so you saying I can three putt and win and he gets this huge smile in his face and he says no no you can four putt and win don't worry about it At that point, at that point, I knew I was good. Gosh. That's amazing. Because we've had a debate many times in the show of if we had a two-shot lead,

three-shot lead on the 18th T, if one of us just teleported there right now to the 18th T could one of us win with like a three-shot lead? And I think we all are like, no, we couldn't. I'll tell you what, the T-shot, I think if I put you in the fair way, I would like my chance. but that T-shot has become so difficult over the years as they've moved the T-back and that canopy seems to be encroaching on the fairway there. I mean, that you really can't put any side spin on your ball at all of 18-T anymore. You've got to be so accurate with that T-shot. It really is, you know, it's probably the most intimidating T-shot of the day at Augusta National.

So when you've got that kind of heat on you as well, man, you can. There's definitely certain parts of your body that you can't feel at that point. We're big sidespan guys too, so that could be real problem. It's an issue. Hey, so is Bubba and he's been great all over the brain. I think Rick just talking about his putting stroke. It's got this on you. Boom, roast him.

Sorry. You guys are just crushing your puddage. Well, he puts out a video every day, so I mean, it's good stuff. We get to watch this guy putt every single day, right? Like, you're going to pick up things. And this is the first time we're talking to him since he lost to a 12-year-old. Yeah, we're ready to give it to him. Feel free to do the same yourself.

Yeah. Feel free to send your own trips. I see you a couple. Sharks are a circle and they're hungry. They can smell ready to go. You're a huge sportsman. I see the Clemson behind you. What's the affiliation?

Yeah. The head coach of the football team, Davosuny is a good friend of mine. Got to meet him through a mutual friend. probably 12 years ago. We went on a fishing trip together with our families. And that was right before he got the head coaching position. And in that moment, I wasn't really watching college football. I would just follow the NFL because I never went to school over here.

And he was like, oh, perfect. I got a team for you to support. So started getting me involved and started going to some games. And, you know, you would show me the ropes a little bit. And before you know it, these guys have become a juggernaut in the sports. I was going to say, you couldn't have jumped on a better bandwagon. Yeah, well-time. Yeah, we got this team.

We play football sometimes. We're all right. Why don't you watch us? I timed that well. So, yeah, that's 17 and 19. Those are balls that he signed and sent to me. So it's a lot of fun. I got a 13-year-old son and a 9-year-old daughter and also a huge sports fan.

So for us to go to games and feel. like, you know, we know the people involved, so we're invested in it. And, you know, we love everything about the school and everything they stand for. So it's been a lot of fun getting behind them over the years. Were you into football at all before you came over to the States? Well, the first time I came to the States was in the mid-80s. My dad was transferred here to do some business. And the first place that I ever lived was Arlington, Texas. And that's where the old Cowboys Stadium was. So I've been a Dallas Cowboys fan for the the longest time. And right about that time, they were good as well. So that was another good

bandwagon that I jumped on as they started winning in the 90s. But yeah, like I said, I was just following NFL until I met Debo and he got me all in. So you're wearing the Jordan shirt. And obviously the documentary has been going crazy. Everyone's been watching. I watched it last night. It's so good to watch that behind the scene stuff. But one of the questions after Scott Van Pelt was talking to, I don't even know, I'm forgetting who was talking. Anyway, he was talking to someone and was saying, oh, Charles Barkley. I don't know how I forgot that. He was talking to Charles Barkley and he was saying, like, you know, we all just watched the Jordan documentary, you know, is there a part of you that, that, like, how do you feel playing with a guy

at that level of Michael Jordan where you know like he's the best? And we can translate it to Tiger Woods, right? Like, you grew up in a time where at your professional peak in your professional career you had to go up against a guy named Tiger Woods who's a mythical creature who's the best of all time arguably like so when he asked Charles Barkley of that um you know he gave his answer saying like you know i was happy to play against the best and you know it is what it is you grow up in these eras and you play you can play against anyone at any time but i wonder what your thoughts are on that you know like when you got to your point of your career you have a guy named tiger woods on the other side you ended up beating him 2008 which not many people can say but how do you feel about you know playing at the same time as a guy

that is, you know, just taking the sport by storm. Yeah, it was an incredible experience because you're right. He was like some kind of mythical creature. He was just able to do stuff that none of us could even understand. And, you know, you think back to not just myself. I mean, players that were better than me. I mean, you look at the BJ Singh and there only else's guys like that, that, you know, he was dominating them as well.

And it was really weird as a competitor because all of us have this spire in us that burns so bright and you want to win and you want to prove something to somebody. You want to prove something to yourself, you know, prove that you've got what it takes. But at that time, I think pretty much everybody knew that even if they brought their best, you were more than likely not going to beat him. And that as an athlete is it, you know, it can tweak your mind a little bit. I'll never forget, you know, back in the day we used to play at Dorel. And myself and Adam Scott have been great buddies over the years. And, you know, Dorel, everybody stays on site. And so we're working on, working out in the gym together.

And you can see everybody practicing and dinners at night and what have you. And so one of the days we're teeing off late. and we're in the players lounge getting some lunch before we go out. Adam and I, we're sitting there at a big table, we're eating, and Tiger comes in, and he dishes up this huge plate of food, right? He's got pasta and meat, and it's just, it's like a massive mound of food. And he's like, hey, guys, can I join you? Yeah, yeah, sit down.

And he, you know, he polishes this plate of food, gets up, goes and gets another plate as big, eats that, and he gets up and he's like, all right, guys, play well, I'll see you guys, later and he gets up and walks out. And Adam looks at me and he's like, I mean, how's this guy? You know, he's not just intimidating us on the golf course and in the gym. Now he eats more than us as well. I mean, we can't even keep up with this guy in the lunchroom. So, you know, he did some stuff that was just mind-boggling.

But, you know, like you said earlier, there was so much attention on it and so much mystique around it that, you know, even little things like that would just be like, this guy is not. not even human. It's unbelievable. So funny that he's left his competitors, like, talking about him at the lunch table. I know. Do you believe this guy fucking just ate more than us? What is going on? I almost wish you would have pee longer than us.

I know, it's ridiculous. Everything is crazy. Oh, it's so funny. Absolutely ridiculous. Barkley said something. Sorry, sorry. I remember one year, sorry, I remember one year we were, we were, this is going to be like 0, 4, 05.

and Nike, we have to do some commercial shoots out in Vegas. And so it was like on course footage of, you know, they would set everything up and then they'd have you to hit a shot out of a bunker and what have you. And they were showcasing the irons and the ball and all that kind of thing. And so the one morning they go out there and they want Tiger to hit the Stinger because now he's made the Stinger famous, right? And so the camera sets out there, you know, about 100 yards down, you know, probably eight feet or so off the ground.

And the producer who somewhat knows golf, doesn't really know golf. He's like, tells Tiger, yeah, you just hit it like as close to the camera as you can, right? And he fires this thing straight into the lens. And the guy's like, why, you know how expensive that equipment is? Tiger's like, you told me to hit it as close as I could. So I mean, you don't expect for it. I was just like, come on, man. I'm out of here.

I can't handle this anymore. Guys, unbelievable. Yeah. Sort of felt like that's well-year-old. That's how I thought about him. Guys, unbelievable. That's because, Frankie, I thought you were going to say when Charles said that, he, like, thought he was the, Charles Barkley, when he said that,

he said that he was the best player in the world. At least he thought he was. He won an NBA year. I know. And then in that NBA championship, he was like, I went best on best with Tiger and I played my best game and I still couldn't beat him. And Trevor, when you were saying, like, that just mentally changes you because, like, I mean, athletes at your level,

I feel like they're almost blind to the competition and they're like a thoroughbred where they think if I play my best, nobody else can beat me. And when things like that happen, I think mentally it changes you. But I will say, you know, the South Africans between you and Charles found a way to top tiger at the Masters a couple of times. So you got to be doing something down there that makes sense between you and Charles. Yeah, I know. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen often. I mean, shucks, I probably only beat the guy.

Even though, you know, I was in the top 20 and got pretty close to the top 10. in the world at one point and had a nice stretch for four or five years, I probably only beat the guy like a handful of times in my whole career. And that's how good he was for that period of time. It really is quite incredible. But everything that came along with it, I remember at 06 in the Western Open when I got my first shot to win over here. And he was playing in the group in front and was sort of mounting some kind of challenge on the back nine on Sunday. And, you know, the crowd would let you know. The crowd's shouting like, hey, man, don't choke.

Tiger's coming, you know, be careful. Tiger just birdied the loss. And you're like, oh, my God. I mean, you know, I don't just have to worry about him. I got these guys shouting at me as well. So, you know, the excitement that he brings to an event is unparalleled. I mean, just think back to what. happened at Augusta last year. You know, those scenes on that Sunday and then when he finishes

there, the respect that the patrons are giving him, it's, you know, I've said to my kids for the longest time, I've said, listen, as long as Tiger Woods is alive, you will send him a Christmas card because everything you have is thanks to this guy. I mean, what he did for our sport and the platform that he gave the rest of us to compete on is something I'm pretty thankful for. How many Christmas cards is he getting that? A lot. Everyone better be sending one. We should start sending them all.

I was just going to suppose. We got to get our Christmas card game going massively. Well, you beat them. You took them down to the Masters. So it's impressive. It's really cool hearing you talk about it. Just hearing you talk about the Masters and what all it meant and the story. from Tigers. So, yeah, this has been a ton of fun, and we'll get to see, obviously, a lot of you

on broadcasts with the captaincy coming up for the President's Cup 2021. So, Trevor, this was a blast. We had a lot of fun, man. Hey, thanks, guys. I love listening to you. So keep up to good work, and I'll see you guys soon. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Trevor. See how to turn on. Reach out with you. Yeah. Cheers. A good one. There's lots of uncertainty in the world. Feeling safe at home has never been more important. It's why I want to talk to you about Simply safe, home security. They are longtime friends of Ford Play. My parents have been using them.

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Welcome to the show for the first time. Better now. Thank you. So much better now. Thanks for having me. How have you been celebrating over the last weekend, Pete? I mean, it's been great to win against you. I mean, it was great having you out there, and it was just awesome.

What are your friends been saying? You've been getting a lot of love from your friends? Uh, yeah. I've been getting a bunch of followers lately, and it's been awesome that you guys have been posting a bunch of stuff on four, four, boy pod and bar stools. All right. So, Pete, you see Riggs, you see four play, you see Barstool, you see he's a golfer, you see he's at Pinehurst. What, where did, how did this all start? Like, how did you, how did this, you know, competition, this challenge come to be? Like, you know, did you have your eyes set on this for a while? Did you think that Riggs was over? always going to come to your demise for a long time, or was this pretty recent? Like, you know, you just thought maybe we'll just do this and see how it goes.

Yeah, you know, I always watch Barstool Sports and for a Play Pond. I always watched the Daily Nine and, you know, I reached out to him on Instagram and he got back to me so fast. I was very surprised and we had a good talk of the golf course. What was your initial intro? I was like, hey, I'm Pete, I'm 12 years old, and I'm going to take you down as long as you get to my country club. My dad reached out to him and wanted to know if he wanted to go play at the country club,

North Carolina. Pete, were you, be honest with me, were you nervous when we started? Actually, I was kind of nervous on the range, and at the start of the front nine. The front night had a bunch of cameras, and, um, I just got really nervous, but I put my game on the back line and I shot even far. Yeah, I was there. Pete, you got a great swing, my man. Thank you.

See, we blew it because I had a plan with Ebug, my producer. We were just doing everything with the iPhone, but I told them, I said, bring that big camera. And on the first couple holes, I want you to just pull that big camera out because it's going to rattle them. And then you guys were so nice that I decided to abandon that plan. that was a mistake. I should have kept that big camera out. That thing was making you nervous, hey, Pete?

When you saw him on the range, what were your first thoughts of Riggs? And then when you saw his first swing, what were your thoughts? Did that give you confidence or did you make you more nervous? You know, I always see his swing on poor boy thoughts. I wasn't really nervous. So at what point, I mean, maybe this is a conversation too early. but what point in the round did you think like I'm going to beat this guy? Really?

On number 10 on the back nine, I saw him blow up a chip and I put my six hundred about 10 feet in two putter and I was up one on 10 on the back nine and I just played my game through the rest of the nine. That was a tough moment. That was I was coming off a big birdie on nine to get it to one down and I ripped a drive on 10 and then Pete's way behind me and sticks some long iron to like 10 or 15 feet I just completely flubbed like a sand wedge or something for the middle of the fairway made bogey and at that point it was tough and then on 11 he out drove me oh yeah I uh I got lucky with the car path but you know I was still

truck and trash about that out drive so he hits his drive he had the honor because of what happened on 10 hits his drive out there, hits a cart path, bounces over this bunker way down into the middle of the fairway, and then I step up and I hit a great drive, a little cut right down the middle, it lands, and the minute it lands, he just goes, out drove you. All right, so what T's did you guys play from? We played 6,200 yards, which is like the white T's. Yeah. Is that usually around what you play, Pete?

Yeah, that's usually around what I play. I usually play the Blue T's, which is, I think, around 65,000 yards. You got shortened it up for rigs. 100, sorry. Yep. And I shot 75 from there, but a bunch of tip-ins and stuff like that. What's your official handicap at the age of 12 years old? You know, I don't really have one, but I watch all these good players that are, like, my age,

and I want one, like, again or something around that. Pete, how long you've been playing golf? When did you first pick up a sport? My grandpa taught me around four, five. Okay. So you've been playing a while? Yeah. People coming up to you around the club now, Pete.

congratulate you and everything? Yeah, I actually signed a couple hats. What did you think about Riggs's parting gift? Yeah, I was just about to bring that up. He's used three wood cover and something else. And the ball he used. And the ball he used, yeah. Yeah, that was cool.

He gave me the scorecard, the ball, and the head coach. But Pete, you beat him. You should be giving him your ball, and you should be taking the club. the club out of your bag and be like, here you go. Here's the club I used to just dust you. Yeah, here's the six-time. Like, you, like, I got a ball thrown to me from Tiger Woods' guy because he's

Tiger Woods. Like, I can't beat Tiger Woods. You beat Prigs on the golf course. That'd be great. If Pete, you should have rejected the gift, taken your glove out of your back pocket, and then signed it and giving it to him. Yes, you're supposed to give him a gift. Like, here you go.

thanks for coming buddy yeah on the front nine uh riggs reached out to justin thomas and uh he said riggs asked if you could beat a 12 year old and he said he said the 12 year old yes the one you're playing no so good answer that's great it's a great answer look so we were uh we were throughout the round pete was like hey i um we were on the site earlier we're like obsessed with the head covers. I think the head covers are really cool. And then his dad also said right before he finished, he said, hey, we know you're playing that, that Bridgestone ball that says Tiger on it. Is there any way you could like give one to Pete after? I said, how about I give him the one I'm using? I'll give him this head cover and then we'll ship you a bunch of stuff, new stuff after.

And he was like, man, that would be awesome. So that's what I did. So you guys can shut the hell up. That helps your case. It helps the case. Nobody knew that, right? A story can get misconstrued if you don't know all the details. Details aren't important. But it's, So, Frankie, if you need some wedge help, after my online school, I can help you with that. Listen, you will dominate me. Like, I'll lose to you every time. I'm not one to say that I'm going to be a 12-year-old. I'm not even going to be an 8-year-old if we ever play that kid.

Like, I will lose to everyone. So, yes, I will take all the help I can get. I will take all the help I can get. Pete, you think this match is going to help you in our golf going forward? You feel like you can handle the pressure, the nerves, whatever you're going to face going forward in your little golf career there? Oh, yeah. You know, I got the feeling of the cameras and the crowd out there,

and it really gave me a feeling of what it's, like, actually like, like what the pros deal with on tour and a bunch of AJGA events and all that stuff. Pete, what are your ultimate aspirations with the game of golf? You trying to take this thing the whole way? What are you thinking for the future? Really? I'm trying to make it to high school golf and then college and then I'll try to make the tour. But, I mean, it takes a lot of practice.

So I got to get there. Very cool. How much do you practice? You practice? You like practicing a lot or do you like playing more? I like practicing. and I practice a lot, and that's how I get so good at golf and how I play on their golf course.

You didn't miss a shot in the back nine. It was very frustrating. How far does he drive the ball? You were hitting at what, 240? Like 2.30, 240. Yeah, I mean. It's got to be so rigs. It's got to be so frustrating.

all are, you know, golfers are trying to be golfers now, but we all started in sports, Pete, that were, like, more physical. Like, Riggs was a good hockey player. So if you can't, like, beat them sometimes with your skill, you can still, you're going to, like, were you going to give me a football compliment or no? Well, no, I'm just, but, yeah, it's a football compliment, sure, but, like, we all put, you know, but Riggs was in the match. Anyways, you can still, like, you can, like, push them or something, like, putting golf, it's got to be so frustrated and just see this kid beat you, and you're like, he's not even fully developed, he's 12, and he's just killing me.

it's a shot to Frankie's point earlier and when he's like some of the videos at the end you were like marching in front of them i was trying to eliminate the 12 year old from my mind and just like make shots so that i could win the fucking golf match so i'll put that a bucket there sorry about that but yeah it was like that's what i was trying to do i was trying to remove myself from just you got to hit your own golf shots and like i felt it was interesting like it there were probably 20 or 30 people out there following us which like i've never played around a golf like that ever and you know every shot's going up so for the first like five or six holes i was genuinely like nervous as well over every shot like oh boy this is a big shot yeah i mean it wasn't hard to get i mean it it was it was not easy to get the win he i mean you you had left a lot of good pots out there that could have gone in i mean like five or six pots that looked out. On number 11, that thing went all the way around the hole. Yeah, you just outpotted me.

He out puttied me significantly. And I was thinking about it afterwards. I was like, well, so Pete hits the ball straighter than I hit it. He chips better than I chip. He putts better than I put. The only thing I do is I hit it like a little further sometimes. That's pretty much the only thing that I brought to the table. And ultimately, I lost.

So, Briggs, so, so here's my thing. Like I think it's amazing that you played a 12 year old. And I think for content, I think it's incredible. And I also think that a lot of people are just saying, oh, you lost a 12 year old. And we all know, like, well, if the guy, if the kid shoots a 76 or whatever he ends up, he could beat really any, like,

like I was fielding questions left and right. I was like your spokesperson via text message being like, how can rigs lose to a 12 year? Well, I'm like, well, like Pete can beat 99.9% of golfers in the world. Right? there's only a finite amount of goverage in the world that can shoot around even par. And the fact that he went even on the back is like, well, like, he'll beat any of us, like, blindfolded.

Yeah, but like, so how are you feeling with like the public perception rigged that, like, you just lost to a 12 year old? And now, Pete, like, how does that feel that, like, you beat a 33 year old? Like, I'm sure that's, like, the first time that that's ever been like, I'm sure you, like, can go out there and, like, I don't know if you can beat your dad or whatever, but, like, you know, you go out there and you beat older people probably all the time. on the golf course. This is the first time that like, this is like an accolade. You can hang this up on the wall. Like you beat a guy who's three times your age. I'll go first, Pete. Then I'll

throw it over to you. You're right, Frankie. I mean, it's the public reception's inferiority. I play the last 10 holes at one over par and I lost ground. So it's like I played like the last 10 holes, I played great. I just didn't make a couple of puds and I lost. But it's also, it's like I wouldn't, it's it's not like I would just go play 12 year olds if if content didn't exist. So it's like clearly the, everyone's like it's a lose lose. Yeah, no shit. It's like that's the whole point.

It's going to be, but I did want to win. Like it would have been equally in my opinion like fun and something we could have built upon if we were like, all right, one and oh in big matches. Ford plays one and oh in big matches. Who's next?

And it's just, it's like now I'm getting roasted and I like Hank and all the part of my take guys are like, imagine losing to a 12. He would stop. like you said, 99% of golfers. And I was pretty proud of the way I play. I played awful on the front.

I was nervous. I was fighting it. And then in the back, I was like going shot for shot with Pete. And we're having a great match. And he just made some more puts and beat me. So like, it is funny to think about it in like a serious nature.

But it was like I wanted to win down the stretch. And I just couldn't get it done because Pete beat a 33 year old for maybe the first time. Like, do you play older people and matches, Pete? I mean, I usually feel my uncle and my dad and sometimes my brother. And, I mean, I'm playing from further up, so it's kind of a difference. But for Riggs, I had a home course advantage.

So, I mean. If I went and played at your home course, I mean, it would probably be a different match. You never know. I'm not sure about that. Like at this point, you know, it's done. I just love, I mean, content side, it's like Riggs lost to a 12 year old, but in, like, actuality, Riggs lost to a scratch handicap. He's like, who cares?

But, like, here's the thing. And, like, it's more, like, kudos to Pete that he's been able to get to this point. Like, he's only been playing, like, real golf for, like, three years, like, maybe two years, like, like, real, like, hitting the, like, I know he's been playing since he was, like, four or five, but, like, really stepping up to, like, a 65. yard course and being able to hit the ball 230 yards like maybe two years and like rigs has had 20 years to like you know figure it out like and and Pete's done it in like and I'm just worse months like if you think of like right if you think about that like maybe Pete's like been playing at

this level for nine 10 months I don't know like how how how how how early were you hitting the ball this far like this has to be a pretty new thing for you right Pete like you're starting to get into your like adult swing now like you're starting to get there like yeah Um, I mean, like, I, I think I've gained like 30 or 40 yards. Yeah. I was like 9 or 10. Yeah. That's huge.

I have it. I've lost yards. Right. Yeah. Going the other way. But yeah, it was, um, incredibly impressive. Like on the 11 of the 12 holes, I miss short birdie putts. And then on 13, he steps up and it hits one to like four feet on the part three for

for bird. Yeah. That was just like, that was, that was, that was, that was got to be one of the better shots you ever hit me oh yeah that that was one of the best shots ever what what was your yardage and what did you hit in there do you remember oh i think it was one 155 but there's a bunch of wind and um five iron i think yeah i mean the guys hitting five irons the four feet like what do you want me to do it was playing like 170 so yeah it was a lot of wind that day so yeah

All right, Pete. Well, congratulations again. I hope that you're, you know, living it up as the champion of the, you know, Riggs versus 30 or 12-year-old beat match. So, you know, congrats. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, guys. You're very polite. You're extremely polite. You're a very, you know, well-mannered kid.

I just want to see a little more fire out of you. Like when Riggs hands you his ball, I understand the whole thing with you. Just toss it to the side and be like, bring your A-game next time or something. I want to see a little bit of fire. out of you because you have the skill, man. You're going to be something. I like the cut of this kid's gym, man. This kid's got it.

Yeah, I like to thank for basketball basketball. Barstool Sports. So, you. What a guy. He's so nice. You are something. You're actually.

That's very nice. With all things golf and yourself going forward. Very classy. But congrats to the match. Thanks for, yeah. Thanks for jumping on with us, Pete. Keep us updated and we'll try to follow along with whatever's next for you. congrats on beating rigs. I was I was rooting for rigs. I was hoping the four play pod would be

undefeated versus 12 year olds, but now we're currently winless. We're very defeated. We're super defeated. So anyways, congrats and thanks for coming on. It was great job with you. Thanks. Thank you guys for having you. Thank you. See you.