Fore Play - Matt Fitzpatrick, The Champ

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

Matt Fitzpatrick is in studio (5:32) with the U.S. Open trophy. We talk cross-handed chipping, ignoring Riggs’ FaceTime, and eternal glory. After Fitz, we discuss Koepka to LIV, the Tour’s new events series, Immelman replacing Faldo, and Morikawa pouring milk in before cereal.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, I'm by Barstool Sports. Ladies and gentlemen, we have in studio the raining, the two days ago, three days ago, four days ago, friend of this program who won the United States Open Matthew Fitzpatrick. And we're going to do something a little differently. Usually we throw interviews in at the end and we go through talking points and whatever the hell we talk about at the beginning. But obviously we got the champ.

It came in Tuesday right after he won the U.S. Open with the trophy and the whole deal and the presence and the aura talking about crosshanded chipping. He goes through some huge shots in his mindset in big moments throughout the entire week. Some fascinating tidbits. We talk about us trying to FaceTime him or whether he saw that or he didn't. He did. And a lot of great stuff with Matthew Fitzpatrick. So we're not, it's not lost on us. So there's a million things going on in the golf world as well. So we get into debates and chats about live. in Saudi Arabia and money in the U.S. Open and the PGA tour and all kinds of things. But we didn't want that to detract from Matthew Fitzpatrick, who is a friend of the program,

who's been on a handful of times now, and who just had a life-changing week at the country club. So, boys, we're going to do our couple of quick minutes here at the beginning. We're going to throw it to Matthew Fitzpatrick, and then we're going to bicker amongst ourselves about everything in the world for a few hours. Yeah, and then also, full disclosure, I'm pretty sure at some point after the interview, my audio is going to change from really good to then internet audio because I got a notification that my audio stopped recording 56 minutes into something that we did after. So that's coming.

That's breaking news. That's coming. You want to do the whole show over again? It's going to be a jarring. It's going to be a jarring. Well, there is one point where Trent asked me who won the live event that I wish I could take back and I just didn't know is Charles Swartzel. That's another thing to definitely.

That was a huge moment from Trent. I couldn't think of Charles Swartzel's name. That was just, I just, I, have you ever in your life heard of a more random name than Charles Schwartz to win? I don't even think on its own premise it was that bad, but it just came off bad. It was such good timing for Trent. It got better after that, but that was a bad moment. So that's coming.

Matthew Fitzpatrick walks into Barstall headquarters. We know who Matthew Fitzpatrick is. He's the quiet little English boy that I said I could be. beat up on the range in the parking lot of Beth Page Black in 2019. That's who Matthew Fitzpatrick was. Going into this interview, we're like, he's just going to continuously be the same guy. He walked in with that fucking U.S. Open trophy and our lips started to quiver. He's just brought a different aura.

He had a whole team around him. His family came with him. His brother, his mom, his dad, everyone. All the people that were crying and hootler and hollered, they roll as a crew. They came to New York City. I saw them after the interview. I congratulated the whole room. Steinberg was in there, just the greatest fucking agent.

Your Dap up with Steinberg was incredible, Frankie, because we had a night with Steinberg. We did. I think he actually likes me, which is insane. Like, he looks to me like, I think he likes me. Yeah, I think he likes me. So, yeah, Matthew Fitzpatrick walked in. It was quite the scene. He definitely has a different aura around him.

He's a champion. He's our champion. He's a major champion. champion. Fucking awesome. We did an amazing picture afterwards. I was just really excited to have this whole thing happen. I fucking love Maddie Fitz. Yeah, he's he's a different guy. Like he admits to that. His life has changed now. He is he is a major champion and a lot of guys true or not will say no, I'm the same guy. I just won this tournament and now I'm going to continue with my life. He's like, no, I work my fucking ass off to win this tournament to have this trophy. So yeah, my life is different now because

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Visit priceline.com. All right. Here is the U.S. Open champion Matt Fitzpatrick. Folks, we're joined right now days after winning his first major championship by a longtime friend of the program, so much so that we would test his skills. and his listening capabilities and the truthfulness on if he was listening and he would all pass. He's been on this show three or four or five times. He, I think, was our first COVID guest.

And now he returns in studio. I'm looking at this giant U.S. Open trophy as the United States Open champion, Matthew Fitzpatrick. Welcome back to the show. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to be back. We had this with Scotty a little bit after he won the Masters. Like, we obviously, we've run into you a lot.

And, you know, Frankie infamously said that he could be. you up and then we had that back and forth at the US Open. I never hear it either. No one ever mentions it. Not once, I'm sure. And then, and then like with Scotty, he wins the Masters and then we have him back on and it felt a little different. You walked into Barstool H.Q. With this giant trophy and I felt like I was starstruck by Maddie Fitz. How much has your life changed over the last 48 hours? Yeah, it's been crazy. I mean, literally since I finished on Sunday, I was doing media till 10.30. Come in to the player services area.

I'm signing stuff and flags and you name it. I was signing it. And yeah, it's just been a whirlwind. It's been crazy. Do you feel different? First of all, I'm sorry. No, don't be sorry. Okay.

Second of all, congratulations. Yeah, we are. Do you feel any different? Yeah, I would say I do. Yeah, I would say I do. It's just like, it's 10 million. I've already said it, 10 million times better than I thought it would feel. it's like it's truly like incredible yeah is that just is it satisfaction like all the hard work pays

office i know rory said that after after you want it's just sort of all that work that you put it in and you as have worked as hard as anyone is that what the satisfaction comes yeah i think so i think so and just just you know you know it's there it's like it's just like so it's it's kind of weird it's just i won a major you know i want a major championship and it's uh it's different to, you know, I haven't won on the PJ tour, but I, you know, I've won DP World Tour tournaments and they feel great. And the next day you're like, oh, yeah, I won, but it's like, it goes away. Like, this is going to live with me forever. It doesn't matter what happens. Like, you know, I'm a major champion and that's, that's why it means so much. Your name's going to be on that trophy forever.

Yeah, it's on there. It's on there. It's on there. Oh, my goodness. I keep getting as close as I can to touch you without. You can just touch it. Are you sure? Yeah, just touch it. Because I feel. Yeah, you're fine. Touch it. It would be uncomfortable. I mean, I didn't want to, but he said I could, so it feels okay. I got to say, fit, I thought, you know, sometimes you see people win a major and they're subdued. And it feels like to them they were supposed to win or they've been.

You seemed like the happiest human being for the hours afterwards. Like every presser, every interaction, every hug, it was so endearing because it was like, holy shit, this guy, this guy, it felt like we were. all living vicariously through you because you were walking around the whole day afterwards with the trophy just like, I want a major championship, but it was so infectious to see. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's exactly what it felt like. It's like, I just, I feel like for so long that I've, you know, I've come to tournaments and not, like I say, not won over here and see guys win and guys that are my age and achieve so much success. And it like kind of hurt a little bit because It's like I feel like I'm putting in just as much, if not more work than them

and not really quite getting the results that I wanted, you know, I want to win. And just having that winning feeling on Sunday once I realized that I'd won, it was just like nothing else. It was just, yeah, as I said already, it's like 10 million times better than I ever thought it was going to be. Is there a moment when you, I mean, you've had a few days now. I know it's a whirlwind. You're in New York.

You're with these guys. where you're with us. Is there a moment when you put your head down the pill that you think back to from the championship, that's one moment you keep going back to? Put on 13. Yeah, just no doubt, I put on 13. But I actually saw Trent missed

because he was going for what we, because I would go for those as well. The canoles. Cheesecake. Yeah, we got both. But the reason was, and you and I DMed a little bit afterwards, and I had said, congratulations. And you said, thank you for being the only person

of Parsons. Yes, I did. Yeah. Which is, you know, in terms of, in terms of wagers, that's true. Gambling puts us in a bad spot. Gambling puts us in weird places, man. And for my money, I thought Scotty Shuffler was the best bet. I like you both very much.

And you know, you shoved it in my face yet again. And I saw it going a different, like, while the round was happening, something happened. Scotty made a put and I was like, oh, man, I'm bummed out. I want some cheesecake because I got Maddie Fitz and who knows what's going to happen. It was like a cartoon. like when you see actually you can see the smell go through the room and something hit Trent and like his nose started like floating towards

Carlos Bakery shop so I get the cheesecake I walk down there and I walk back to the bar that we're watching it as soon as I get back with the cheesecake you make that put on 13 so it's like the cheesecake I mean you deserve the lion's share of the credit but I think a little bit might have to go to the yeah I'm fine with that I love cheesecake too so um but yeah the the bottom 13 was was kind of just, I've been bogey in 10 and 11, kind of set me back, and 13 was kind of just kickstarted the rest of the round, and from there, as soon as I, I just felt like I needed something. And to be fair, you know, even though it was 50 feet, I fancied the putt for whatever reason. Sometimes you just, you just see the put, and I'm just like, I really think I can make

this one. So it's, yeah, pretty crazy. So I mentioned Scotty, and, you know, going into that round, we had a discussion. I was like, how do you think Maddie and Will feel? right now, you know, knowing all, it was one of the best leaderboards we've ever seen in a major, for sure in recent times. We're looking at this thing. All the names are incredible. Like, how are you feeling knowing that that kind of talent is behind you? Are you not even thinking about it? No, I mean, I'll be honest, before, like, I started the day, there's certain names you keep your eye on, you know, for me, I was expecting Rory's name to jump out, like, get off to a hot start, and I kind of expected him to be up there. John Rom was the other one.

you know you just got to keep an eye I wanted to keep an eye on where he was and I kind of saw that and as we get to two or three you see Scotty's flying through six and the same deal like I like to kind of know what's going on I like to kind of figure out what I need to do

what I don't need to do so that was like quite interesting when it was by the bat nine really it was like a three horse race between me will and Scotty but sort of for me like I say I'd just keep my own certain players where you think they could come through and but I just tried my best to

you know concentrate on my own game and play each whole at a time and yeah I said to Billy before I teed off like just try and hit 18 greens and regulation and that'll give me more than a good chance so I have to was that in terms of ball striking Tidea green do you think that was the best round of golf you've ever had ever yeah i i said to billy before will puttard i said to billy i said regardless of what happens that's i would say that's the best round of golf i've ever played you know teed to green it was like i just got the choice um yeah i mean i'm i missed i missed the fairway by a yard on

three um here obviously got lucky on 15 and and got lucky on 18 uh but other than that missed two fair realistically two fairways uh all day and and and one green so that's just yeah Yeah, as good as it gets. How nice is that to learn about yourself where you have to pretty much play the best round of your life to win this major and then you do it? Yeah, I think that's the nice thing as well. It wasn't like gifted to me. It's like, you know, I started with the lead. I slept on it.

And I just went out there and won. That is, that's why I think it means even more because I literally went and did it for myself, you know. Yeah. It was, you know, because. after the bogey on 10, the bogey on 11, and there's a two shots swing. And I remember thinking, like, man, I still feel like Fits has to feel incredibly confident because I was going back over the last five, six, seven holes. And it was like on eight, you like striped, you striped one in there to like 20 feet for Eagle.

And I was going back through every hole being like, dude, he almost hasn't missed a golf shot the whole time. Like if he keeps this up down the stretch, everybody else is, you know, when guys jump to the top, it becomes tougher. and you clearly had the experience from the PGA where you had learned a lot because it wasn't like you were coming out hitting it the way you were on Sunday, the PGA, you would clearly learn something.

So like, I guess my question is like, did you even after a couple bogeys and giving up the lead and going back, you know, two strokes, were you still thinking to your head like, no, no, I'm playing the best golf, I'm going to win this tournament? I still think I had a chance. Yeah, I was still thinking I had a chance for sure.

I thought I was an idiot for making it harder on myself. There's no doubt about that. but when I think back to the round, I wasn't at all angry about how I'd played Teter Green, which I think previous rounds where maybe I've not played as well, I could think, oh, well, you know, I've hit that shot there and I could hit this shot and I've pushed it or I've pulled it, whereas that day, Sunday I was just like, okay, next hole.

I'm, you know, same plan, middle of the green, and try and make a put and literally, you know, did it for, for, 17 holes. On 18, you've got one-stroke lead. You pull it over, overcook it, whatever, a little bit left. You walk it up, second shots in the bunker. Walk us through kind of your entire experience from walking up, seeing the ball and everything that happened.

Yeah, so me and Billy had a big, big conversation on the Wednesday. It's something I'd never, ever done before in a practice round. And we played the hole, and we were in between driving three wood. I really like driver, he liked three wood. I played the hole, and I said, Billy, like, let's go back and hit ball. So I went, I took my driving three wood, I walked back all the way back to the T and hit four balls. I hit two three woods and two drivers. The two drivers, one was in the rough, but quite far up.

The other one was miles up in the fairway. And then I hit three wood left in the roof and three wood in the fairway. So I was like, well, this didn't really help other than drivers miles up there. and if I hit it out of position, I've got much less club in. So I was like, Driver, we're going with Driver. So anyway, Sunday we get to the T. And I'd hit Driver three times, made Bogie two out of three times. And he was like, I think you should hit three would.

So I was like, yeah, okay, I'll buy in. Like, I was fully bought in. Like, I trusted that was the right club. Hit it, went left. Deep, deep, deep down in me. I'm like, you're an idiot. Why did you, why did you not just hit driver? But then I was like, no, no, you know, you committed to that.

And I did. I committed to that shot, just hit the shot. And I said, I'm like praying for it to be short of the bunker because fairway bunkers have been, I've been shocking this year out of them. And I get up there and it's in the bunker and I see the light and I'm like, oh, actually, you know, it's okay. The lie's not bad. It's kind of sat up. And then Billy's like, we're like looking at the line. and I was like, well, I've got a line to the green

and there's not much of a lip in front of me. I've just got to go left. If I hit dead straight, it's going to catch a piece of the green. If I pull it, it'll be in the left bunker. So I've got room to get up and down. And yeah, I'll be honest. I just hit this thing and it came out with like a 10-yard fade. And I was like, oh, my God, that's unreal.

I was honestly, I was like, I said last night at dinner with my family and friends, I said, I don't think I've hit that much. much fade on a ball for the last eight weeks. You know, I've not moved the ball that much. And I've probably had moments where I've tried to move it that much intentionally and not. And I hit that one. And yeah, it came out just better than perfect.

Wow. That makes me want to puke. That's so excited. I want to hear about 17. You made that put and you just started laughing. I've had a debate about what happened there. Did you, like, miss hit that? and you're laughing at where it ended up.

No, no. So like... It was a tough time for the cheesecake. The whole, the whole day, obviously, I'd been hitting puts like five foot past like an idiot and just made some, miss some. So that put there in particular was just like glass. It was just so downhill and there was loads of break. And I hit it and I actually thought it had a chance and then it died.

But I knew I'd hit good pace and that was all I was really focusing on. And I was just laughing to Billy and I was just like, I mean, I just had no chance, you know? It's just like, I'm just like laughing. I was like, oh, thank God, it's like not five foot past. You know, we're just going to go to the last. We've got one shot lead. We'll take that.

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and now looking at you with this trophy, it's so crazy to think about that moment, we're on the range, we just saw the US Open champion, we didn't even know it. Is there a moment from Monday until Sunday that you can pick out that you felt like you had it this week?

Is there ever a time that you know? I don't think so, but I was, like I feel like I don't really give away too much, but I felt really confident out of the whole week, just in general. It didn't feel like a major to me because I've had success there before. Just being so comfortable on that golf course, knowing where to hit it, where not to. And for me, like, deep down, I was like, I beat everyone on this golf course.

And I feel like I'd do it again. And that was the big thing. The whole week, it was just like, if I had a bad hole, I was like, well, I've birded this hole before, so I know I can get it back. And I just felt so comfortable. and whereas there wasn't one shot out there where I was like, this is the only hole where I felt uncomfortable

and I played it three over for the whole week and it's the only hole we didn't play in the US amateur was 11, par three. And that was the only hole I just felt awful on the whole week and I hit Love Wedge, Sand Wedge, Cat Wedge, Samwedge. Gosh. And it's like a flick, you know,

I go there and hit a bucket ball and probably miss the green once, you know? It's like that's how it is. And, um, but the rest of the golf course, there wasn't a shot that I was like intimidated by where you go other places. You go to Augusta and all these are the golf courses and you're like, not feeling comfortable on this hole or this shot. Uh, but there that, you know, there wasn't one spot.

And I think that was probably the difference. It's amazing. Because it's, it's so true to when people say once you win it, then you can, it kind of unlocks this like confidence in you. And you already had that, um, at that course. It's so amazing that that. was the catalyst for you feeling comfortable over the golf? Yeah, because that's obviously what everybody talks about on the lead-up, right?

Like when you're even somewhere close on the leaderboard, they're like, oh, he won the USAM here. So he's going to be more comfortable. But it's interesting to hear that it really is that way, that you are just so much more comfortable than everybody else in the field that it actually gives you a pretty big leg up. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, I've played well this year already,

and I was actually really surprised at how much more confident I felt once I arrived. and like I just think back through the holes now that we played and I was just like everyone I'm like yeah that this doesn't you know I know where where to hit it I know the line I know the feelings and yeah that that was the difference uh you got to talk us through the charting of shots that you do uh your your boy Danny Rapaport has uh you know consistently gotten this out there in front of everyone you you chart every single shot that you hit Yeah, basically, yeah. I mean, in practice, the same deal, but only sort of certain ones. But yeah, just everything. I just want to know, you know, no stone left on turn and want to figure out what's going wrong or what's going right and why I'm doing it.

Yeah, just how I can keep getting better, really. Do you know anybody else that does even anything close to that? Not that I know of. The closest guy is the guy that I work with probably is Eduardo Molanari. so it's probably probably him but outside of that I don't know most of the guys have the caddies do do the stats and stuff and as much as I love Billy

there's no way I could let him do that there's no way Do you do you have piles of notebooks somewhere with charter shots? No I mean just all the yardage books we get I've got like two I think I've got two full boxes at home in the UK

and I've got probably like a big box at home in Florida now so yeah just slowly building building them up but i mean like golf courses we went to six seven years ago a we might not go there again and be sometimes the the holes change and stuff anyway so some of them are still useful so you don't have like a storage unit somewhere that's just soon i guess i'm gonna have to yeah yeah he's got like forklift he's got to like go down aisle four and figure out which book um so you're

You're pounding the golf ball. I just couldn't believe some of the drives, some of the yardages, you're just flushing at, you're ahead of guys. That wasn't always the case. Where did this come from? How do we get to this point where Maddie Fitz is just pounding the fucking golf ball all of a sudden? Yeah. So I use this thing called the stack.

It's like a swing speed stick. It's just a golf club with different weights on the end. You use an app and it's got an algorithm and tells you what you need to do, what weights you need to put on how many swings. Been doing it probably for probably two years. And I don't know why I keep meaning to speak to Sashi about it, but it certainly feels like the last two, three months, all of a sudden it's like just like switched and all of a sudden it's like 10, 15 yards longer, not just slowly getting longer.

It almost just feels like overnight it's just gone 15 yards. And I don't know if that's just the media reporting it more or what. But it's, yeah, it's been pretty good. That's interesting because, you know, you don't look, you're not jacked. Like, obviously there's other people in the sport who decided to get jacked and do it that way. But Frankie and I were talking about it before you got here. Like, could we do this to Frankie? Could he do this similar?

100%. And get that type of distance. Oh, come on. Really? 100%. I need to have this to fixing Frankie. So my friend actually, wait, I might have it on here. He won't appreciate the show.

out but he said he he he bought i convinced him to get the stack so he sent me his numbers after one session uh and his driver speed was 93 miles an hour and then after four sessions he was 101 mile and hour holy shit and it's about i think per mile an hour it's about uh two and a half yard so eight miles an hour so what's that almost 16 bit open 20 yards different so what is this actually doing is it increasing muscle No, no, it's just increasing the ability for your body to move the club faster. Just think about it like going to the gym. So, you know, you start on 10 KG, 11, 12, whatever.

So the more you do it. It's really good. Frankie, you already hit the ball pretty far, but at a little distance, why not? Gosh. That's probably the least of my worries right now, though. You know what I need to start taking up on is the cross-handed chicken? Yes, you do. Yeah.

I mean, are you sick about talking about this at this point? No, no, I like it. What the fuck's going on with that? It's amusing to me. It blows my mind every time I see it. There's no way this guy's doing this at the US Open. Maybe it was like cute last week. You know, I'll be honest.

Like, I hit my drive on Saturday, 17, hit driver. I had like 40 yards or whatever to the pin. And that's kind of like an awkward number for it. Like, is it too far? Is it? And I wasn't sure. And it was off the tight. fairway as well and I'm like

it's the Saturday of the US open like if I make birdie year I'm leading by I think I was leading by two at that point maybe or one and do I go conventional or do I go like I don't want to mess this up and I'm like no no no you know you've been doing this all day you know it's come you know how it comes off

the club um everything about it I was like no just just do it just do it and I did played a great pitch it went to eight feet I thought it was going to go closer really but ever since I started doing it, it's just so much more consistent for me off the strike and the spin. And I can't like spin the nuts off it and like create crazy shots.

But it's just like the standard shot, which was actually my sort of Achilles heel, really, is so much more consistent because it's just very similar every time. How did you get into this? What was the breaking point? My coach. So my coach basically, it was always a drill. and I always just mess around doing it as well because it was also a practice drill

and my stats weren't good from the fairway. I did it from the rough for a long time or for the last two years and then my stats went great out of the fairway and I was like I'm going to do it off the fair I'm going to do it off the fairway it's good like I know I'm good with it

and I did and this year's yeah I mean I think I saw something the other day before last week I moved up like 80 spots from last year's around the green rank into this year. So yeah. It's mind blowing stuff, man. It's crazy.

It looks outrageous, but it just works, man. It just works. It works. You mentioned Billy earlier. His reaction on 18, obviously, was incredible. What have you guys, like, had conversations just the two of you since this has happened? Like, what has that been like between the two of you? It's been great, yeah.

We spent a little bit of time alone together. so everyone was in the room where people were having a drink and stuff and I just kind of wanted five minutes and he was sat in the locker room by the bag just on his phone like texting people so we spent some time just talking about it and how it was and how the week was and he was just so happy

for doing it for so long and he said it himself I know how much it means to him to win a major and he's yeah he's uh i just know full well what he's like he couldn't be happy that's awesome unreal well look matthew fitzpatrick you've been our euro for four or five years now you're our guy you are only the second englishman since 1970 to win the u.s open it's insanity one of our top guys we appreciate you coming in we're very very happy for you congratulations We still got to do our scramble against you.

Now it's got things have ramped up. Things have ramped up. Wait, before we get into that, did you see his FaceTime you the day? Was that crazy? Riggs FaceTime you in the midst of the madness. We were live on the show.

I saw the miss call. Yeah. Sorry. No, no, no, it's okay. We were a bold. We were a bold attack. It was a bold. We're recording the show.

We're like, why don't we just call the guy right now? He's actually just when you is open. Have you had anybody like reach out to you and say congratulations that you didn't expect? Somebody, somebody huge. You're like, holy shit. Yeah I am a member of his golf club down in Florida And he let me in

But Michael Jordan did text me just saying Well done So that was like That was the best Just dropping on the fuck That was That was yeah That was a pretty

I was pretty blow away MJ congratulating someone on a championship Is as high as you can get in sports Yeah You know what I mean Yeah Like you guys are talking about the thing you both That was unreal

Yeah You guys carrying that trophy getting text from Michael Jordan and I tried to FaceTime him after. He's just not good. He like swiped right by your notification. I was like, oh, thanks, I'm Jack. Yeah.

Appreciate that. Scramble. We say it to every guy comes on. We just like never follow up with them. We have to fucking play in the scramble. The problem we're running into now is that the guys that we challenge, then they win a major and they become hard to pin down. You and Scotty.

Scotty was the guy we were going to do. He just won the masters. What are you fucking doing? One of these days we'll play in a scramble. Whatever that is, who knows. But seriously, Congratulations. I mean, really happy for you, man. Thank you very much.

Congratulations, Matt. You're the man. Thanks, guys. Appreciate the time. The United States Open Champion, Matt Fitzpatrick was in studio in the office with you fellas. I zoomed in for it. So we're all there for the interview, but I wasn't physically there. I love the intro. I love when he walked in. I liked you guys clapping for him. I love the picture. How was his aura in person? It was incredible. I mean, it definitely felt like a major champion.

even though we said that we probably wouldn't feel that way with Maddie Fitz because he's just one of the boys and he's a little guy and like something about his like stature doesn't make you feel like you're going to be intimidated around him going into it. And then he walked in and like we were kind of like shaking. It was just like when you walk in with the US Open trophy, trophy changed everything. You can do anything. Like he, I could walk in to a room with a trophy and everyone would be like,

holy shit, look at that guy. Like, an I'm the most pathetic looking person ever. So really cool to see Maddie. fits with that kind of aura around him. The whole place, Steinberg was there. It was just like everything about it was just fucking different. Yeah, I like how he definitely appreciates being a major champion. I'm sure all these guys who win appreciate being a major championship or being a major

champion, but he outwardly expressed it. Like when he talked to him on the interview, somebody asked him, do you feel different? And most guys would say, no, I'm just me now with a major championship. He was like, yeah, I feel different. Everything feels different because I'm a major champion now. So he seems very open and very transparent about what this process is like. Also, I would like to apologize. I'm very echoey because I am once again in an empty apartment.

I feel like we did this a year ago when I didn't have any furniture. We're back. I'm about I'm out on Long Island. You're not a decor guy. You're just not a big decor guy too. Dude. Well, I got a couch coming Friday. And I was telling Riggs before we jumped on here.

I hated my couch so much in Manhattan that I just left it behind. I was like, I'm not taking that thing with me. I'm going to buy a new couch when I get here. So now I'm in this weird in-between stage where I didn't bring my old couch and my new couch hasn't gotten here yet. So I'm just standing in my apartment doing a podcast right now. And in terms of decor, yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. I've gotten to the point now where I put out a call for help on Twitter last night. You're solicited paintings?

You're looking for paintings? I don't even know what I'm soliciting at this point. I just need help putting things up on my walls. I don't know. People are like, it's about you can't ask people for help. It's about what you like, what art speaks to you. It's like I just want to push it up on my wall so it doesn't look like I'm living in an insane asylum. That's all I want. So I did. I put out a call to action, a call for help last night. Got a lot of suggestions that I'm going to have to go through more than I was even anticipating. So but I'm just standing in an empty apartment right now. And that's why it's echoey. Yeah, you need to get some bar stools for sure. You can't be standing for a two hour podcast. I ordered those. Those are on the way. Yeah, the stand is the stand is not ideal. So we have Matt Fitzpatrick on the show. Excellent fun interview. He's beaming ear to ear.

It goes through a lot of the shots, the moments. He's super honest. We talk about the cross-handed chipping and we get a good story about him, you know, not even sure on some shots in the U.S. Open. If he should go crosshander or conventional. And obviously we've had him on four or five times from, you know, really it felt like his start, if you will, on the PGA tour. He's big on the European tour and the race to Dubai and winning that,

getting on the Ryder Cup and kind of his whole evolution and progression to where he's at now, where he's the hottest thing in golf. He just won the most recent major championship. U.S. Open. It was a phenomenal one, too. So it doesn't have, you know, in terms of U.S. opens, I felt like it came with the most validity that you can have. It doesn't, didn't have a Chambers Bay or Aaron Hills or congressional when Roy won and it rained and he was able to just drop everything.

Like there's always some in, there's a difference in when you win it a Wingfoot or an Okma. And I feel like the country club very much presented itself like those venues of you had to fucking carry all the characteristics of a true old school U.S. Open champion to win this last week. and he did all that. So congrats to Matthew Fitz. He's elevated only the second Englishman since 1970 to win the U.S. Open. And he was in studio with you guys, brought the trophy chatting with us. And then we got a million things going on. PGA Tour all of a sudden found like hundreds of millions of dollars

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Here, he's one of the behind the scenes guys at Barstool, and he's like, he sees so much potential. The app is doing so well and so many people are using it because it's so good with the reviews and all of the people that are booking on it that like, we need to like put more time and effort into how good it actually is. Like, dude, the rewards part of the Barstall Golf Time app is so good. If you get, if you book like a couple of rounds of golf, what you're going to do anyway, you can get like free merch on the app. Like, I don't know if, like, if you guys go through the app and all your rewards list, like, it's insane.

Last week, when they gave out that double 2,000 sign up thing, you automatically were like one booking away from just like a Peter Millar quarters of it. It was insane. Like, you're going to book a fucking golf round anyway. Like, just do that on the one that you're going to get rewards on. And we have a leaderboard also that we were talking about recently in one of the shows a little while ago. And it just has like the leaderboard. Like there's a guy named Tyler Letcher. Letchick, L-E-C-I-K, is that how you would say it, Lechick?

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fucking 30 or 40. Now you live to be 80, 90. Do you think in our lifetime it'll be like people were like 150? My, it's going to take a serious jump. There's going to have to be some sort of like real scientific discovery because I think the way that it is now, we've maxed out regular human lifespan. Does that make sense? Yeah, like without altering the body a lot or something along those lines.

That's how it feels to me. Like, like you're talking about in those olden days when it was like, man, if you make it to 45, you're a senior citizen. That was just because they didn't have the right nutrition. They didn't, they used to think smoking was good for you. Like those people didn't know anything. But now it seems like there's enough data out there that we've maxed out. Like 90 feels like their number where if you eat right and you know, you don't get hit by a car, you could probably live to 90. But we're going to need a big change if we're going to be. try to see it jump through 150. I think there's so much resources now and so many people with so much money and access to things that like the top tier people of the planet are going to do everything they can to live as long as they can. And I think that that's happened forever, I'm pretty sure. Like everyone who's been at the top has tried to live as long as possible. But I think we're now at a level where it's like so ridiculously advanced that we'll see

the biggest jump in them succeeding, if that makes any sense. Yeah, I agree with that. In the last, like, centuries, the top people of Earth have not even been able to come close to how close they can come now. And like, and in a hundred years, they'll come even closer to just living forever. You know what I mean? Dude, I'm looking at that. I just Googled this.

19th century world average was between 28 and a half and 32. Jesus. 1900. 19-31 to 32. 1950, 45 to 48, 2019 to 2020, between 73 and 74. Damn, that's a, that's global.

That's global. That's not just the United States of America. But still, that's... But that's a crazy jump in the last 100 years. Yeah, those numbers were lower more recently than I would have thought. I think it starts to get to the 90s real soon. Yeah, that's global average. That's insanity that that's that different.

That speaks to Frank. Mikey's point. I think that's kind of why I brought, I think I was listening to some Rogan podcast or something on one of my flights. And sometimes what happens, I go, I go, I listen to one if he's got a great, if he's got somebody I'm really interested in the interview. And I'll listen, then I fall asleep. And then when you wake up, it's on just another episode of something else. And I, so I just kind of like appeared in the middle of one where they were talking about life expectancy. And, and, and essentially like the theory, the thought process of like cloning organs and then people donating like billions of. And then people donating like billions of. now just to focus on eliminating disease, like just disease in general, and how if we get to the point where there's some like serum that people just take every day that will just basically make you almost never have disease. And then when your organs start to get to a point of failure, if we can just clone and recreate organs, which they can't do yet, then like you pretty much could just live for a really long time without many issues. Rogan's actually a good test case because he's Uber rich. He is very invested in wanting to live a very long time. And he's a very public figure.

I feel like the really, really rich people who are trying to do this are kind of in the shadows. They're just like hedge fund dudes and we don't really know much about him. Rogan is a guy who he talks about it openly. He's like, I take all these supplements. I get this TRT. I get these injections in my stomach. Like he is very much actively trying to make his life longer. So if he lives till he's 120, then he's on to something. And we'll be able to watch it because he's got a super famous podcast. Well, we won't be able to watch it. He'll be long gone before Joe Rogan.

He's 50 now? Yeah. He's 55, I think. Way gone. Bezos is another good one because he's pretty public. He's not talking as much as Rogan. But super duper rich, super obsessed with being healthy and he's jacked and trying to live as long as he can.

Like unbelievably rich, the richest person. in history. Yep. And I think he made 70-something billion dollars like last year or a couple of years. And I don't have a couch. He's pretty public. He's not as public. He's not as public.

I think Elon Musk will be another good one. I think that's everyone thinks about it. Jeff Bezos made $70 billion or whatever it is in one year. And Trent is standing. Trent's standing doing the podcast right now. Think about the difference in lives. I was at Target. Just put on this earth.

One guy is standing right now talking into a computer. I think I made $70 billion. He's winning right now. There's no doubt about that. One nothing, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah, I think 2020 he made 70-something billion, and last year he made like only $5 billion.

What a loser. Yeah, tough year. Okay. Brooks Kepka. Well, you can start with him because he's the latest to jump to live. Kepka's obviously been a very polarizing dude. He went from pretty much nothing to winning four majors in like three years. And then he had the whole thing.

where he's like, I didn't think I could really have this voice before him, but now I've earned it. And then that voice became very polarizing. At first, I think people liked it. They're like, this guy's fired shots. He's not holding anything back. And for a megastar and golf, that's really cool. And then it kind of turned with all the Bryson stuff and people fell on one side or the other, either being kind of a Brooksie, pardon my take kind of guy that loves Brooks Kebka and the fact that he's different and he's not like other golfers.

And then the other half, sort of just thinking that Brooks is kind of a douchey. bully. That's where I fall. I think Brooks Kebka is just a douche at this point. I think he walks and talks like he's cool with everybody else and I just don't enjoy that. I don't like that about him. I haven't. That's turned me off to him. Now he goes to live so it's much easier for me to be like shitting on Brooks Kebkeptka for doing that. I don't think it's surprising at all that Brooks Kevka went to live. I don't think he comes off like a guy that would hold dear a lot of the reasons that people wouldn't go to live. I think he's sort of the opposite of Roy McElroy

and a lot of these things where Rory is just out there and open and puts his heart on his sleeve for the public to see and is all about legacy and the PGA tour and carrying that torch and meeting the moment. And I don't think Brooks Skepka gives a fuck about any of that, which is totally fine to each of their own. But it's the reason that I've been pretty turned off by them. And then this is kind of the final nail on that coffin, if you will, for me.

So I say good riddance. I don't really care that Brooks Kevka's gone. But that's a big fucking name for the PGA tour to lose. That's my two cents. Yeah, now that Live has just become a thing, like, I know you're kind of trying to avoid that for a long time, but now it's just a thing. You got huge names going over there. To me, it has become great theater watching guys bend over backwards to not justify it,

but to not talk about it until they jump. Like the U.S. Open Press conference from Brooks Kepka was just fucking beautiful. You go back and watch it. And he's just like, hey, this is U.S. Open. Let's take it easy. You're bringing a black cloud to the U.S. Open. I don't want to talk about this anymore.

When now in retrospect, he had clearly already made an agreement to jump to live. And he was just like, I don't want to have to answer these questions. So I'm just going to say, you guys are bringing a black cloud to the U.S. Open. He said he hadn't thought about it. I haven't thought about it. Think about the U.S. Open. We're like, well, I mean, you negotiated probably a $150 million.

You didn't think about that. So it's just making guys who are fucking dicks, making them look like even bigger dicks. And Brooks Kepka is a perfect example of that. And I was tweeting a lot about it yesterday, just because it's a lot of fun to get in the mix of people when you just like start making fun of somebody. And then they're like, he's just playing for money. He doesn't care what anybody thinks.

And it's like, all right, but I'm still going to make fun of him because that press conference is objectively hilarious when you look back on it. So at this point, now that Liv is just getting guys, and it's pretty funny the names that they've gotten with the Patrick Reads and the Brooks Kepka's. And, you know, just these very, these names that people have in the past called them assholes and now they're all just jumping over.

But that's the, that's the lens I'm viewing it through now because it's live as a thing. It's going to be a thing. Jay Monaghan has a motherfucker on his plate. I don't know how he's going to handle it. It kind of sounds like he's going to create something that's very similar to live. But going back to Brooks Kevka, I just like watching guys squirm going for the money and then not being able to say I went for the money. it's just a very interesting test case. Yeah, Dave tweeted it out yesterday,

and I completely agree that everything Brooks does is just slimy. Like he's just, we've seen it in person. I don't know, he just kind of like walks right by us. And he's got the whole thing with Barstool. Like he's done a bunch of podcasts, and he's done a podcast with us. And something about him is just, I don't know, he's definitely too cool for school.

Looks at us as like nerds or whatever, even though like everyone, every other one of his. We're not cool enough for him. Yeah, like, but all. of his like friends and guys on tour like or will come up to us hug us and like dapp us up and he just walks right by and kind of like smiles and laughs like look at those fucking guys. Do you think he has friends on tour? Do you think he like really has friends on tour? I don't know to be honest. I don't know many people and we've talked. I don't know many people

that really like them on tour. But I just like at this point for Liv, it's just a thing like Trent is saying it's crazy that they can't just come out and say like why they're doing it. I'll agree with that. But at this point, like, so many guys have committed to it. At this point, it's like so many have done it. They all can't be the worst person in the world for doing it. Like every single guy that plays in that tournament can't all be the worst person ever. And like, it's like they're just, they're all just like getting the money now, which, like, if they can just come out and say it, it is what it is.

I don't think they're the worst person in the world, but I do think they're like you're kind of a slimy piece of shit. like brooks like yeah brooks is the most is the slimyest because the way that he did it but there's still part of you where it's like and you get we get caught up rightfully in like the the atrocities but also it's taking away from the game of golf like we just now we don't have brooks cap got dustin johnson patrick reed um on all these guys just they're not playing we're not going to get to see them play in like high level competition they can take the money but like i'm not getting any of that money. So I don't have to like like, like they're getting all that money. It's like, yeah, they're getting all that money. That's sick while I'm sitting here with that couch.

So it doesn't matter to me that they're getting the money. What matters to me is that we're not going to see these guys play in high-level PJ Tour tournaments. And they're going to go play 54 shotgun start and make $50 million a year. That does nothing for me. Yeah, I agree. And look, you know, the money thing, everybody understands it. There's a reason they can't just say it. And that's because, you know, the, when you sell your, when you do a deal with the devil, right, the devil wants something. And what they want in this case, they're not paying people hundreds of millions of dollars just to play golf.

That ain't the deal. They're paying them to play golf and also to say certain things. They send out talking points. And those things are right now, who knows, over the next three, five years, if you sign a three, five year deal with them, you don't know what they're going to ask you to say. You don't know what all they're going to ask you. you to do when they're going to ask you to dance. Right now, that is they can't clearly just come out and say, we're taking all the money and see you later. They have to say they're growing the game.

They have to say that they're doing all these things that the Saudi-backed league is asking them to do. And the reason that I've been very much like, I wouldn't do this deal. Sure, the morality thing, I'm not the moral police. So at some, I have a number clearly. It's because you don't know what the fuck they're going to ask you to do. That is my concern. If there's another fucking 9-11 and you're put up there and 15 of the 19 hijackers are from Saudi Arabia and you're put up there in front of a microphone in front of the press and you can't say oh yeah like if all the evidence is clear that Saudi Arabia was implicated in the whole thing and you literally cannot say that you have to come up you're put in a horrific position because you made a bad deal with the devil who the fuck knows what's going to

happen in the future and that's where my issue comes from of they have a horrible pass these things are not that it wouldn't be that shocking if more horrific things come up like the executions a few months ago, like the execution of a journalist that was against them, that was a colleague of a lot of journalists around this country, which is why a lot of journalists are clearly opposed to this whole thing. You don't know what you're going to have to answer. That's why Phil Nicholson, when he was confronted with the 9-11 family thing, like he just had to say, I respect the families. And so when you don't know what you're going to have to be asked to do, say, and when those people that are going to ask you to do that clearly have a horrific history, you're just putting yourself in a position

where over here playing for the PGA tour, over here making your good amount of money, you will never be in that kind of position. And I think clearly the top 15 ranked players in the world have made that call. I don't think it's shocking that of all the guys that are going over there, a lot of them are disliked or villains or over the hill around here. I mean, think about the guys. Patrick Reed, Brooks Kebka, Bryson DeShabo, and then you look at the rest of the guy. They're either over the hill when you have the Sergio's and the Lee Westwoods

or they've been battling injuries. And it's like the top 15 ranked players in the world are not going over there. And they've clearly made that choice. And they will not be put in a press conference like Phil Mickelson had to be put into. They will not have videos come out unless they decide to defect. Like Brooks Keppka's video came out from last week where he looks like a fucking asshole because he was shitting all over people for asking about this saying he never thought about it. Clearly he had thought about it the whole time.

So if you are okay with looking like an asshole that, can't just come out and be honest with people and be honest with the media. If you're okay with that, then take your hundreds of millions of dollars. I don't think anybody really can't understand that. But you're going to have to answer and put yourself in some shitty spots where you look like a fucking asshole. And that's just what it is. Yeah. And the thing I don't understand about the money, like people defending the money is that like, again, it's going back to what I said.

We don't see that money. All that's happening to us as the consumer is the level of play is going down. Like it's weird to me. It's always been weird to me where it's like Phil or DJ got $175 million. That's awesome. Go play. It's like you see none of that. And the product you watch on TV just got worse.

So I don't know how you fit into that equation whatsoever. It's just odd to me to be like, yeah, go get that money. But thanks for making the tournaments. I'm going to watch worse. I don't get that at all. Or they can watch the ones that they're going to go play and if they like them. But my other. I guess, but I mean, yeah, I guess.

It's not like they just leave and they never play anywhere. No, but it's a smaller pool of It's a smaller pool of good players. Yeah, which is like, are you going to be watching the live broadcasts? Well, I think we all watched it last week, right? I did not, no. On Thursday, I watched it for maybe an hour, and then I was pretty much just a,

Yeah, I mean, it got, it wasn't, I mean, just like a PJ tour event, like you kind of like peek in from time to time. I'm not sitting there Thursday through Sunday watching every single fucking golf shot of the travelers. I'm like, I'm turning on golf channel and seeing if it's on. Then on Sunday, you'll definitely. watch the finish which was what i did with live i wanted to see how i would finish up like interesting it was really hard on that tournament what's his name fucking made five million um but bro i mean you could do that to me about

three tournaments to go on the pGA tour i wouldn't know charles swartzel yeah um that's such like i could literally ask me that aside from the u.s open i won't know the answer um they uh like it was really a week before like rory won the canadian open like i All right. I understand that. Okay. I get that. And I think that like things are different. Like, whatever. I'm not going to like go after you guys on like how you guys feel about it. I genuinely think that I like they're doing something that is working. Like we're going to get into like what Jay Monaghan's like deciding to do. Like I obviously it's coming from a horrific place. And I want I actually wanted to come back to what Riggs was saying before where like if they had if something really bad happened in the world from Saudi Arabia and then like all these guys. are contracted, what would they say?

How have the people that have already been contracted from Saudi Arabian money, like, dealt with that in the past? It's not the first time they've, like, sponsored a league or sports team. Like, they've done F1. They've done, like, they've done soccer. They've done all, they've done UFC. They've done WWE. Like, has it never happened before?

I mean, like, they just excuse people three months ago, like, a couple months ago, did, like, that Formula One team have to, like, come out and be like, yeah, we stand with Saudi Arabia or did they just get the money and just like continue? I could be wrong about this and I don't know enough about it. But I think this is the first time they signed contracts. Like to be really. I don't I don't know. But it seems like this is.

They own like they own a Premier League team and they own a Formula One team. Yeah. When they bought the when they bought the Premier League team there was horrendous backlash against it. No, but I'm saying like do the players have to stand up on like a podium and say like we stand with Saudi Arabian government? Has that been like confirmed that like when you sign a deal with these guys that you. like stand or like don't are not allowed to talk out against anything they've ever done has that has that been like proven to trend's point no we don't know what's going what these contracts entail that's that's where my issue comes from is that you don't know when you when you currently have your setup with the

pga tour you know you're not going to have to do that over there you don't know and my point is there's clearly evidence because everyone keeps saying i wish they would just say they're taking the money why the fuck do people think they're not saying that they're not allowed to just say that. So you don't know what you're going to be allowed and not allowed to say in the future because there's already evidence that they're not allowed to just say what everyone knows they want to say. Yeah. I think we'd all like to see the actual contracts. I think like smart agents and all these people that work in America and have worked for the PGA tour and these players for 20, 30 years that are helping these guys get these contracts like wouldn't sign their lives away to like the

Saudi Arabian government. I would assume like normal headed. intelligent people would like read between the lines and all the fine print and make sure that these guys like lives are like going to be okay over there and like nothing's going to be obviously there's going to be some restrictions on what they can say i'm just trying to just take a point on like i would assume that they looked at everything when making these decisions like a fucking abraham answer who's really surprising name like didn't take all these things into account big numbers i think they did i think the number is just trounces all the other stuff i think that's what it comes down to, right? Like, they don't want to deal with negative publicity,

but, like, they made a calculation where however many millions is worth negative publicity, having to be in tough interviews, not be able to say whatever the hell you want to say. I think, like, that's the tradeoff. Now, it very well could be that nothing like that happens. These guys' contracts go for three or five years. They make hundreds of million dollars. They only have to do a couple pressers where they get asked tough questions about Saudi's past, and it's not that big of a deal. That could be fine. I'm just saying for me on a personal level, the reason that I would be very hesitant or resistant if I were in these guys' shoes is because of the uncertainty and because there's already evidence that they can't just say, I went purely for the money, that they're just lying to people. They're literally standing up and lying and saying, oh, we're going to grow the game.

Everybody's like, how did you grow the game last week? And Phil's like, well, there were kids at the event in London. Like, oh, okay. Like, you're just lying. Like, now you have to lie. And the reason you have to lie is because you made a deal for money. And in exchange for that money, you're put in a position where you can't just be honest with people. And in my opinion, that's a shitty position to be it.

Yeah. I agree. But money talks. But money talks. Big time. There was one. Someone tweeted. So Brando was going on a crazy run again during the U.S. Open barely talked about the winner.

It was just like everything was about Saudi Arabia. And someone was like, how come, like, why didn't you do this? exact thing and they like went back to his tweets on like when they played in February and he just like refuses to answer that and I always would love to know like where that like disconnect is on like why it's such a big issue now like the Saudi back money or like why like I think there was a number of I don't remember the number but there was a percentage of like all the people on the board of the PGA tour have money invested in Saudi Arabian connections like all the businesses that they're on the board of all have money in Saudi Arabia like how come like

no one's answering those questions, but we're all just like harping on the headlines of these specific players that are making the deals that everyone behind the scenes is also making the deals on. Is that just the way the world works? Or is that just like, because I find that to be bullshit? Like how come the PGTor is not answering those questions? All the boards should go up there and be like, how come you've made millions of dollars off the atrocities of Saudi Arabian government? Well, I think the reason that the other guys are being questioned is because people investing money

happens all the time. People defecting from a major, major sports league and going to another one never happens. That's unprecedented. Right. Is one right and the other's not, though, is my question? No, but I don't think, like, people, like, that's kind of the definition of what aboutism is. It's like, oh, you can't call out these people for bad stuff because you didn't call this other stuff out. It's like, well, if that's what you, in that moment, if something's getting massive headlines and it's newsworthy in a lot of people's mind and you have an opinion about it, you're going to voice it. Now, it's not clearly not equitable across all issues of all time.

And I agree with you that that's that's, that's bullshit. And you can start getting into nitpicking people for hypocrisy for sure. But I think the reason one's getting covered and the other isn't is because when Dustin Johnson and Brooks Kepka and Phil Mickelson leave and get banished from the PGA tour to go to another league, that's just massive news. That takes over ESPN. That takes over everywhere. I mean, Fox News is tweeting about it. CNN's tweeting about it. Like that's just huge news.

And it's. because I agree with what you're saying, Frankie, but also it's, because it is, it's all very complicated. And this right here with Liv and the PGA Tour and all these guys defecting is as black and white as you're going to get. So it's easier for a lot of people to grasp onto it. Like with the businesses and investments and things in the past and nobody said anything, like that's, it's just hard for the populace, the public to like get their hands dirty with all of it. But seeing Dustin Johnson, Brooks Kepka, Patrick Reed, Bryson & Schambeau, seeing with the what's going on, clearly knowing what's going on and still being like, I'm going to take that money. That's what makes people turn their heads because they're like, they can do two plus two equals four.

And they're like, that's pretty fucking crazy. And that's why it gets so much exposure. I totally agree. I do agree. And yeah, I was just, I'm putting myself in the head of like a Dustin Johnson or like an Abraham answer where like they must know like the answers that I'm asking. Like, they must know names and businesses of like the same thing they're doing. and like the restraint they must have to have to not like call them all out

and just go up there and just take their lashings and like you know what I mean? It's got to be kind of like a difficult place to be like yeah I know I did the wrong thing but like every person that I'm like leaving is also there's a lot of people that are doing the same thing. It's like it's hard to not like point the finger

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which is that there. There will be, starting in 2023, which is next year. If you're not close to a calendar, that's next year, next fall. There will be an eight event fall series with no cut, the top 50 in the FedEx Cup standing. So the top 50 who finished the FedEx Cup, the few months beforehand, that following the season beforehand, will be eligible and will be in these events.

There will be no cut, eight events, $20 million purse for each. it's a great idea. I don't know if they're going to throw teams in there. Boy, where did they come up with this? I said this months ago, before these guys started going over, just take everything that they were rumored to be doing and just do it. I don't know why it took the guys to actually call Jay Monaghan's bluff and just go

for him to be like, oh yeah, we have all this extra money. We have like $20 million to give in the fall, and we're just going to do like smaller events for all you guys. Why can you just do it? Just do it. They were going to go. saying this for two years. Like this is, like Phil Mickelson has got to be in a room somewhere, I don't know where,

just yelling being like, yeah, this is what I want. But I, you know, I got $200 million and now I'm not part of the PJ tour anymore and that's what had to happen. But how much better would Phil's life be if they just listened to him? And he's like, this is what the players want. Like, I've talked to them. I've talked to like 20 to 30 of the top guys, even though some of them are over the hill and other guys are villains.

These, this is what we want. Can you just listen to us? And Jay Mahon is like, no. leave, I bet you won't. And he's like, we will. Like, we're going to answer horrifically hard questions. And we're going to, everyone's going to think we're like, we made 9-11 happen. But like, we just wanted more money for all the PJ tour players and less events and like cooler different formats. And he's like, no. And now he's doing it. It's fucking infuriating probably for the guys. They're like, why are we have to be over here with these fucking lunatics in Saudi Arabia? You could just done this six months ago. It is inarguable that competition, wherever it comes from, is better for, the participants. Fuck that. Jay Monahan dropped the ball.

That's my stance. I think he fucking dropped the ball on it. He had all this money and all this opportunity to do this. What happens with, like when a PJ tour is in the position that they're in, there's a little bit of complacency

because you think nobody's ever going to go anywhere. So now it's starting to motivate change. And it sucks. It fucking sucks that it comes from Saudi Arabia and there's these guys jumping over for this. That's what made this happen. I mean, yeah, there's certainly the PJ Tour and Jay Monaghan, they're not blameless in this whole thing. For a while, they were in the driver's seat because it was easy to be like, you guys can't go over there.

Look at the atrocities. Like you got to stay here. We'll change a couple things. We'll make the PIP program. But things aren't going to change overly. And then they did. They jumped. And now things are really going to change.

Yeah. And the tour, look, the tour inherently in this situation was in a bad position because they're up against an irrational player in the market. And that is a tour with unlimited money. So they were going to get fucked no matter what. Now, I agree that it is, it's ironic that the tour has come out and is always basically framed as the good guy right now because people have been bitching about the BGA tour forever. We've had our run-ins with the PGA tour.

Agents don't like the PGA tour in a lot of ways, sponsors, players, caddy, all kinds of issues. But now, tour has had really no choice. Yes, Jay Monaghan's play that he chose, which clearly did not work out, was that he was going to try to stop this before it started. He was going to try to say, you'll be banned. He was going to say and get everyone to pledge their allegiance to the PGA tour, which he did. And his hope was that that momentum would be so great that it would stifle everything before it even started. And that when Phil Mickelson disappeared for four months, that's because this whole thing was thwarted. He won the battle, and Phil Mickelson was going to have to return with his tail between his legs, and none of this was going to get started.

Instead, the money ended up being too appealing. He ended up getting, in terms of Greg Norman, he ended up getting Phil Mickelson and Dustin Johnson and all the aforementioned names that we've talked about. And then now people, it started to happen way more like Greg Norman said it was going to happen than like Jay Monahan said it was going to happen, which was other players are going to see folks that are worse at golf than they are, that are less star power, that have less star power than they have. have making outrageous amounts of money and they're going to say fuck this i should be over there playing and now brooks kepka goes abraham answered goes patrick reed goes who's next who knows um but that puts him in a bad spot he was wrong i think on the way that he played those cards um but i think he was going to get kind of fucked anyways because you're up against a completely irrational player in the market who could just offer people unlimited money with no plan for

return no plan for profit and if any business on earth were up against another business like that they would get blown out of the fucking one totally i wish and i've said this a million times i wish the money came from a good place because the pGA tour really would have been fucked had it been just fucking bill gates the the gates open or whatever they want to call it i don't know what the fucking email workshop it but had it because had a billion dollars been thrown from american money and all this stuff, what the fuck would they have said then? I mean, Jay Mata would have legitimately had to be fired. I mean, no, I think if that were the case, there wouldn't have been such a hard line in

the sand. They would have cooperated. Like the reason. Yeah, yeah. He took a hard line. He took a morality stand and was like, if you go over there, you're going to get suspended or banned. If he saw, I mean, well, the thing is, is it's like there isn't, there isn't ever going

to be a league with unlimited money that they would work with. That's not, you know what I mean? Like there's no good intentions come from a league without a business model. So it's a position that you almost can't predict. It's true. Right. Like the gates open would be like Bill Gates is a businessman. He would have some sort of like business model that wouldn't allow him to pay people $200 million to put off.

Right. And like it's just so if that were the case, then their intentions wouldn't be to just like cleanse their reputation. and it would be to try to make money at some point, and instead they don't. So the whole thing, again, puts them in a bad spot. It is funny that the tour now is like, we found, you know, oh, we found $200 million that we could just throw at a fall series event, whether they raise new sponsors. And I did find a quote from earlier this year where Jay Mott-A hand said,

the PGA Tour reserves are at $225 million. They were at a high watermark about $300 million prior to COVID. We think that's a reasonable range to keep our reserves in, in the event of any event like we've experienced. experienced the last couple of years, aka COVID, you just don't know what's going to happen. So whether they dug into the reserves, whether they found new sponsors, I don't know, but they also raised FedEx Cups going from $15 million to $18 million. The lives increasing.

The purses in general are increasing, and now they're throwing 50 player events with no cut, eight fall series events with the biggest stars in the game that are going to have $20 million purses, which is bigger than other purses on the biggest events of the people. the whole thing is very it's very funny i just pictured i just picture j monahan rifling through his pockets like i think i got a little bit more oh yeah there's more there's like it's like a movie scene where like the the kids mad at his like mom or something she's like you need like i'm trying to think of like was it eight mile or something where like m&m's mom's like going and trying to find an extra dollar for her for him she's like do you need money and he's like leaving the house whatever um

i do want to say about the making a return everyone's been saying that like live has no like belief that they're going to make any money. This is just to sport wash and like whatever. Is there no thought that the original like proposition for this whole thing was to make it, make golf a bigger sport, like a major, major sport where like the NBA makes $10 billion a year in revenue? Like, I mean, so like, yeah, they spent a billion dollars on players and all this stuff. Like all these other sport leagues do that and more. And they're huge and they have all these huge TV deals and all these advertisers. Like, isn't that where they wanted to get golf?

Isn't that what the players want? They want to make NBA money. They want to make NFL money. They're like, this is what we're trying to do. Don't they see a return there in the future? We're acting like a billion dollars is like too much for a sports league. I'd have to go back and like when Greg Norman first burst on the scene with Liv, like did he come to the PJ tour hat and hand being like, let's grow this thing?

Or has it always been ill intentions? I don't know. I really don't know. Has it been confirmed to be ill intention? or is that like our speculation of like where the money is coming from and like why they're spending so much money? Like is there no business model anywhere at like Greg Norman's fucking facility like when all these people are working on this thing like to try and make $10 billion in revenue like the NBA did last year? I'm sure they're going to claim that because they can't again claim what we all suspect is the real reason, which is sports washing. That's why they're doing it.

But they have no TV deal and no known path to any TV. deal whatsoever. They have no sponsors. There were essentially no fans to the point where they're giving away tickets for free. So if you have no revenue, like basically none, and you're spending a billion or two billion dollars, it's very difficult to justify that you have a legitimate business model of a plan. And so if they were spending 10% of that or something, maybe you could, you could, I think, justify that they're trying to get to a path where in three to five years they could have a return of business. Like, that's not that crazy to invest in something that's not going to turn a profit for a little while. But the PGA tour does a little over a billion,

I think, a billion and a half in like annual revenue with everything with their 47 events and all that they do. And this thing's going to spend. I think they said two billion dollars to get something going that has no revenue. So I just think that like it's hard at this state. to in any way claim that they have a real business model. I mean, if you're, if you're paying, if you're paying at this point, you know, Ian Poulter, $25, $30 million, do you think Ian Poulter is worth $25 or $30 million? No, absolutely not. So it's like, then they're doing that 50 times over.

We lost Trent. They're doing that 50 times over. They're doing that with like every player. So it just seems like. And I agree. I'm just playing devil's advocate of like, do they, like, And as I was asking it, I'm like looking up the revenue of all these other leagues. Like at some point, there had to have been a conversation for just golf in general.

Like how do we get to that level? And yes, like Greg Norman has had all his own personal wants and needs like at the forefront of this whole thing. He's going to make as much money as he pot personally can. But I just wonder if there was ever the time where it's like, let's just get this thing to like 10 billion in revenue. Like let's get golf as a sport to $10 billion like the NBA's. Let's be on TNT every single fucking week. And let's get the Charles Barkle's like make a super fucking league of golf. And like let's make these guys, these superstars more money.

And I there obviously, I think that like the people that they're hiring, I think that those people are trying to do that. I think you're right. Like I think it's it's I don't know where it stops. But I think like the people behind the whole thing, I don't know if they care about that. But the people right in front of them, whether that's Greg Norman or the people underneath. Craig Norman or the management that is working for live, that a lot of them were hired from the PGA tour or from golf channel or from plays over here, I think that's what they're trying to do.

I think that the people that are working on the broadcast are trying to make the broadcast, even if it's on YouTube, as cool and edgy and new as they possibly can, right? Like, I don't think those people were trying to make sure nobody knows that Saudi Arabia executes people. I don't, I think their intentions are to make golf and the golf that they're working for, which is live as cool as fucking possible. So I agree with you. I think that like 99% of the players in this whole thing, I think, are good intention.

It's just the 1% or however many people who happen to be the ones bankrolling the whole thing, who I think we're pretty skeptical about their intentions. But I think you're right. Like I think I don't think it's that, like I think it's probably possible that Greg Norman wants to change golf for the good. I think Greg Norman probably wants to have the PGA or the live be like the NBA, where it's like you're recruiting players and you have teams and the fucking crushers and we're making fun of it. But like, I think that is probably most people that are over there's goal with the entire thing,

which is good. I think that's a good thing. Yeah, I think it's interesting because golf has always just been golf and it's, we love it for what it is. And it's an individual sport. And yeah, I just, I wonder if they crunch the numbers and they're like, we've maxed out how much money this sport can make in this format. And like, I just wish it didn't come with such a fucking.

bullshit backing and like a horrific background and all these people have this money because I genuinely think like these really smart people got together and they're like yeah this model that we're about to do I think possibly makes more money than the current one and like we could get it to another level now and I did what like it was confusing the team format but like maybe in 10 years like when you go like you look back and if it did work and it wasn't Saudi back like maybe like the crushers and the aces like become like the NBA team. And it's a crazy thing to say because we're in it. It's been one week.

It's been one week. But who knows, like, if it ever took off, if it was the Bill Gates fucking back the league, like, imagine where golf would go if it was this, like, fall series of team thing. And, like, it made all that advertising money. And I don't know. It's just, it's interesting to think about, like, where golf could have went if it wasn't attached to such a bad regime and all dirty money. It's really interesting to me.

I personally think you're giving them too much credit and going back to, Like, I don't think a league like this can exist without an unlimited checkbook, and you're going to have pitfalls when it comes with that. Like, I don't think this fantastic. So you have a number of, like, if they invested a certain amount, it's like kosher. But I don't think. I don't understand that. I don't know. I don't think you get enough money to actually get real talent over there.

Right. So I think that's why they had to spend that much to get talent and names over there. But the reason they have that money is, is negative. Right. No, I see that. I know what you're saying. I'm saying, yeah, all I'm saying is like this utopia league that we're describing only comes about with an unlimited checkbook. It's unlimited, but like, is it though?

I know it's big numbers, but like to start a league and then my questioning of it, like, do they have good intentions of like trying to build it to billions and billions in revenue? Even though we all think that that's not going to happen, maybe in their weird, like messed up mob. lines they think that they're going to succeed. Is a billion dollars spent or two billion dollars spent on a brand new league that they think maybe one day will be worth 20 billion? Is that the worst decision of all time? I don't know. Like we're acting like that's so much money.

Like it's really not that much when you think about where the world is right now. It's like, I just think basketball players, six men's are making $45 million a year. I mean, we just jumped the ship on just like what money is. I just think that like if you, I don't know, like if you came up with this business plan, If somebody came up with this business plan and presented it to actual businessmen with a lot of money, I don't know if you're going to get the backing that you want.

Maybe there's going to be a few rogue guys who are like, yeah, I'll throw my dick on the table. Let's fucking build this thing for 20 years. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if you're going to get the right or the amount of funding that you need. But the funding where this comes from, they just turn the spurn. It on and it just flows. So that's what makes it possible. And I'm looking at the other side of this, like just for all the questions that I've had in the back.

I'm ahead of like, where do you think they're coming from? Why are they doing it? And I don't want it to get lost. I'm completely in agreement that all these guys that are currently in this league and on this tour, like the Brooks Keppka's, the filmmakers are doing it just for the selfish reason to make as much money as they possibly can, which we've also argued like at some point there is a number that like I would take and like rinks is like that. Like that is another part. That's like a human part where they're just like, I have to do it. But I don't want it to get lost on anyone that like I don't, I don't think that Brooks Kepka genuinely is trying to change the game of golf by just taking that check. I do think that the intentions of creating a new league probably were to change golf for the better.

I think, I would hope that at some point all those people that, like we said, work from the PGA tour and golf channel and agents and fucking caddies and all these stuff like they all got together. And they're like, how do we change it? I would hope that they fucking tried to make as much money and make a bigger product than there currently is or else that makes no sense. Like, why would, like, dude, and, and, you know, and to that point, like, what I heard from over there was, like, the caddies have never been treated better than they were at the London event. They had, like, every night, I think that the live put, like, a $2,000 open bar for all the caddies, like, every night. And so, yeah, they're, like, again, that comes from having, like, a ton of money, but that's not that much money. I mean, the PGA Tourters threw a couple of Trey trying to make it, like, better for everyone involved. But I don't think, right, like that decision doesn't come from MBS,

who also ordered the execution of like Jamal Khashoggi, right? That comes from someone hired by Greg Norman's guy who hired this guy who is like, how can we make this the coolest event for caddies? And that's what that person's doing. And I think that that person's intention is to make it as cool as it can be. And I think there's a lot of people there who do have those intentions. But like Trent said, it just makes it, it taints the entire thing. when the overall goal of the operation does not appear to be to make money and to create a viable

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Sure enough, I woke up this morning to everyone thinking I'm next. Not to say I told you so, but I told you so to state for the record. Once again, you all are absolutely wrong. I've said it since February at Riviera that I'm here to stay on the PGA tour and nothing has changed. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got some cereal to pour in my milk, which he is pretty infamous for at this point, maybe being the only person in the world who pours his milk first and then puts cereal into the milk. That last part makes me want to just go over there, dude. Just go.

The cereal thing is too much for me. It's a wild move. I don't know. It'd be almost like putting if somebody poured all of the drink into a glass and then put the ice in afterwards. Like there's just, we've been doing it a different better way forever. You also don't know how much milk you need until you see how much cereal you can fit in the bowl.

You know what I mean? Right. I think he's he's limiting his amount. of cereal he he can have in the bowl because he's now guessing based of how much milk is going to put you're right you're running the risk of putting too much milk by putting it in first you want to maximize the amount of cereal in the bowl and then just wet it with milk you understand what i'm saying totally i'm with you the milk the milk has to just fit with however much fucking cereal you can pack into that little right right because when i pour cereal into a bowl

I put as much as I can in there. And then I slowly start to put the milk in. And then as soon as it gets to the point where I'm about to have cereal all over my kitchen, I stop. And then Morikawa can't do that because he's already putting the milk in. You have no idea what the levels, like the level of the milk's going to rise as you put the cereal in. I need to talk to this guy about this. I will, we should have Cal Morcah on and not talk about golf for one second. Just talk about cereal.

He is prioritizing milk over cereal and you just can't do that. Right. That's it. That's a miss. That's a miss. Yeah, you can't be doing that. But anyways, Morkawa, nice to see he, he squashed those rumors and that's it. I have a question. How much, how much of what Jay Manna and J. Manihanjus and that, or like the rumors of what they're going to be doing, the PGA tour, how much of that was Morikawa maybe going over to live? Like, how much did that coincide with their decision or his decision? Do you think like he kind of floated the rumor or one of his agents really? you know, if you guys don't fix something right now, you're losing your number one young star, like, ever.

Maybe, but he's just the wrong guy. He, like, he's the legacy guy. So he's a big time legacy guy. And sure, maybe if what are your thoughts behind closed doors? Do you think that someone in Morikawa's group, like, floated that idea. That's how the rumor got out there. And then Monaghan was like,

we have to put an end to this today or else we're going to lose Kalamarka. What do you think? I'd say very little. But if he's a, if him and his people are smart businessmen, they did that just as like a, just as a thing to do. But I genuinely, I don't think there was any chance of Colin Morikawa

jumping ship ever. Because I think that would be stupid if they did. I think it's stupid if someone from his team didn't do that because like, that's what I said. If he had no intention to actually go, you might as well just like try and make the actual tour you're going to be on,

make as much money as possible. You know what I mean? I mean, he had all that. He had every single chip on his side of the table and he could just go all in on them and they can't call anything. I mean, he's got. Yeah, but I would say like the,

but, say like they've I would guess the tours had this in the works for months right like you can't just yeah have eight new events with 20 million dollars at each one like because you heard a rumor yesterday it's like well yeah I mean we heard the rumor but I'm just saying like how long were these I mean and I just don't think call more call like when you see all these names jumping over like I you got to think that a lot of guys on tour were starting to ask questions and be like I mean why not us then like what are you going to do for us and he had just yeah yeah definitely Definitely. I think they use that as leverage for sure.

Yeah, that's, I mean, Phil Mickelson ruined his reputation over it. But Morikawa is more, he like, him specifically, like him and Rory and a guy like JT, I don't think there's ever any actual thought about going over there. But if they and their people want to use it to try to make more money, I think that's something that is definitely going on. Bill Mickelson was the PGA tour's like sacrificial land. He's a martyr. At some point, they're going to.

have to like behind closed doors toast to fill like all the players of like what he started for them they're going to make a guy like Patrick can't they may make like 60 million dollars in a season if he gets hot or something like if that guy doesn't call Phil michelson and be like dude I know you're like half dead right now but thanks like I mean like I didn't have to take the bullet you did and I get to make a ton of money and everyone loves me they call me no hat pat when I play the rider cup like it's fucking sick and like I didn't have to do anything just win tournaments Thank you, Phil. I appreciate it.

Phil would kill for that legacy right now. Yeah, he would. Yeah, he's clinging to any legacy. But he had to take a bullet. Someone took a bullet for the fucking PGA tour, and it was Phil Mickelson. That storyline cannot go untold. It can't. It can't.

It's a thing that happened. Did it not? Read the Shipnuck book. That's what he talks about. Yeah. He did. I mean, he's gotten a lot of what he wanted. he's not around for it he's an asshole and he answered questions horrifically and he is slimy

but he's amazing at what he accomplished for other people for other people yeah it's pretty self-lift for a guy that made 200 million no that wasn't his intention that's the issue is his intention was to make the money yeah he's probably like what the fuck you got to be shit now they're doing it and I'm just over here I'm the worst guy in the world he got yeah he fucked himself so bad 200 million dollars though Nick Faldo out Trevor Emelman in as the lead analyst commentator next to Jim Nance. So at the end of this, I think the Wyndham Championship will be, that's it. Sir Nick Faldo's contract was up.

The way that they released the whole thing and the way that the narrative is being put out publicly, who knows if this is true or not, but that Nick Faldo's contract was up. CBS expected to just renew it. Sir Nick said to them, I'm done. I'm going to retire. He's mid-60s, whatever he is. And so then they started the hunt, and they grabbed Trevor Evelman, a front of the program, to fill the role. So he's only in his whatever mid-40s, I guess, Trevor Eamleman is.

So he could presumably for 20 or 30 years, if everything goes well, be in the booth for CBS, for the Masters. He'll be, you know, the 18th Tower next to Jim Nance for many, many years. Just an iconic role in the world of golf for our friend Trevor Omm. It's fucking great. congratulations to Trevor. No one deserves anything more than that guy. He's got the greatest voice in golf. He is just so soothing,

good-looking dude. Nicest guy, nicest family. The fact that he's going to be in that tower with Nance, and, yeah, like you said, for 30, 40 years, it's going to be insane. I mean, he's just a guy that accomplishes a lot of cool things in his life. It's just actually, I texted that to him yesterday. I'm like, just another amazing accomplishment in your life.

Like, the guy won the best. masters and now he's just a lead analyst in the sport that he dominated you know what i mean that's really cool he won the masters he's got an incredible wife his wife's cool as hell his kids are great he's got one of the sweetest houses i've ever been in he won the masters again we can just keep saying he won the masters made millions playing professional golf and now he's just president's got captain captain of the president's cup and now he's just got one of the best jobs in golf maybe the best job in golf and everyone's going to love everyone's going to love everyone's going to love everyone's going to love him because he's so just like calm, cool, and collected has such good, you know, input and he

knows all the guys so well. I won't miss Fowld, though. I think he was a pretty funny, like, character up in the booth or the cap. He's a character, but like unintentional. Totally intentional. I do think they should do a going away party for him with Imagine Dragons. That would be quite funny. It'll be good. Emelman will be good. Yeah, Faldo, he just never knew what you're going to get with him, but I'm excited. The program, Nick Feld, though, he wears a Borelli's t-shirt when he cooks Italian food with his, with his wife. So, I mean,

I think him and Riggs have a little bit of a rivalry, though. Oh, yeah, but I think it's a funny one, isn't it? Yeah, I agree with that. He just would shit on the day of the night. Yeah, he just would shit on the day of the night, which at the end of the day, was great for the daily-day-nine because he'll just get a lot more action, a lot more views. Aldo's also the kind of guy that, like, couldn't understand why, like, that we were successful. Like, he's like...

No clue. He's like, doesn't understand why people watch bad golf and like would genuinely like you'd think it would come off sarcastic when he'd be like, who watches this? Like, and he genuinely was thinking like who watches like who watches like a four play video of you guys playing a pro? Like he didn't get it. He doesn't understand. Dude. And then one point he was like he would bitch about the ads.

He'd be like, yeah. I'm trying to watch the day or night. He's doing like an ad. And then we'd all be like, everybody can't watch CBS coverage without ads. And then he's in like a Skechers commercial. so we'd be going back and forth. He's like, no, but like, I won like six majors. Of course I'm in like that.

Exactly. Who fuck are you? Replaced by a guy who legitimately might on a broadcast one day, just be like, I love Riggs, Frankie, and Trent. Like, yeah, the guy who totally gets it and is like plugged in and understands that side of it and the professional side of it. So Imelman's going to be great. I cannot wait. We are going to have to get some like little things that.

Emelman is you have to say to say hi to us, like on the. broadcast or something. You know what I mean? Like we're going to tell him to like say something and see if he actually does it. Almost like like when biz will say something on T&T for this bit and chick that's career. Like we need a moment to say something that we're all going to go crazy over. Definitely. Wild. We're going to have such a friendly and such a powerful position in the world of golf. And like if he two or three years from now, if he like crushes it and solidifies himself as this, I mean, he will be a top two or three voice in the world of golf. Yeah, right.

I mean, he's just our guy. I also was thinking, like, this is what winning the Masters gets you. Like, I love, Trevor is obviously amazing. We talk about his voice, but, like, if he doesn't win the Masters, he doesn't become, he doesn't get this role for the next 30 years that is maybe the best role in the world of golf. It's just, they just get to introduce him as Masters champion. Oh, Jim Nancy, me, like, I'd like to walk.

Welcome to my friend in 2008 Masters Champion. Everyone was like, ooh, who, who, who, who. I think you're right. It's fucking awesome. That's why you win the Masters. That's why you want to win the Masters. And then the women's PGA, KPMG, PGA is this week at Congressional, which has a completely different look. I'm trying to figure this whole thing out, but Rory won at Congressional in 2011.

And then they came in and apparently it's just a whole. new golf course. I mean, the way they're talking about it, it's everything about it is new. The holes are new, the greens are new. It's just completely new golf course. So I'm excited to watch that. I saw Nellie Khorter's interview yesterday. She was talking about some like blind shots and the place is crazy but really awesome. So if you didn't know that was going on, we got a major championship in the women's game. You can tune into that. I was laughing at, M.B. Park was doing an interview yesterday. And she was on the set with the whole crew on Golf Channel. They had all women on there, which was really cool, obviously, for women's major. And I was watching golf channel all day because

that's what I do. And I heard her talking about her putting because NB Parks won fucking a bunch of majors and was the best player in the world. And she was just like, yeah, it was great. When I was winning all those majors, I was putting it so good. And I'll obviously like never be able to putt like that ever again. And they were just like, what do you mean? And she's like, yeah, my stroke's the same, my rhythm's the same. But they just will never go in like that. And they're all like, well, putting, I feel like putting, whether you're five years old or whether you're 80 years old, like it's the one thing that you can kind of, everybody can just kind of do. the same. She's like, no, no, my putting will never be that good again. That was amazing.

And they just kind of kept pressing her being like, what, like, why not? Like, why don't you just putt? Like, you're just putting. You can't just putt. She's like, no, no, no, it'll just never be that. Dude, that's how hard, that's how hard golf is, where one of the best in the world, so accomplished, it just goes. And to probably a pretty small degree, but that degree is what allows you to win major tournaments. And then it just kind of, it just goes. And she seems like she's accepted at that. It's just never going to be at that level again.

I just found that fascinating. I love that. So tune in. And now he's back. She's out there. She lost in a playoff last week after having the blood clot missing a bunch of the earlier part of the year. She maybe has the best golf swing in the world.

Like if there's one swing, there's one swing that I watch or I'm just like, that's how you're supposed to do it. It's Nellicortus swing is fucking insane. Uh, so anyways, women's PGA, KPMG, go check that out this weekend, tune on, throw on the television, watch that puppy. And then Augusta National, it appears that they're changing the 13th hole. This is one, you know, that's been talked about forever. The probably, probably most people's favorite hole to watch in the world.

It's beautiful. It's part five. Raps around the left, uh, the beginning or the end of A men corner. It's only like 510 yards or something, which reason I say it's only 510 is because the 11th hole is longer and it's a par four. they had a few different par fours this week or last week at the U.S. Open that were, oh boy, they were 520, 530 par fours. So long story short, the 13th now, a lot of guys can get there by just hitting a three wood and then like a mid or short iron. There's been discussion forever. Should they lengthen it?

Some say yes. Some say no. It's exciting. Yes, you want that risk reward. But right now it's almost so easy for guys that like they, you know, they probably should do something. And it looks like they are. There's this Eureka, Eureka, whatever, that does the, they do the shots from the aerial shots posted that it looks like they're redoing the T and moving the T-back 30, 40, 50 yards, something like that. And then they're probably doing irrigation or something in the fairway.

But a little bit of news in the golf world looks like they're changing the 13th hole at Augustin. Is that back up to Augusta Country Club? Yeah. That's the one they bought, they bought a bunch of it. That's right. They like bought the ninth hole or something for an undisclosed, outrageous amount of money. Oh, my God. That had to be, that deal had to be, because you can just, if you're Augusta Country Club, just be like, blank check because they want to lengthen that hole.

And there's, you just, you kind of have them over the barrel for the, nobody has Augusta National over the barrel, except for the people who own land around Augusta National. And we were finding that when we were down there this year, like, Augusta Country Club is like the best country club around aside from Augusta National. Like everyone loves it. The membership there is insane. And so the fact that they're getting that much money just for one hole, they're probably like, fucking living. Yeah. Dude, that's huge for the club.

They got like, it's apparently a big country club, like pool, tennis, the whole deal. Our boy Tommy was telling us all about how sweet it is. So, yeah, I mean, tens of millions of dollars they probably got to sell off like fucking hundred yards of them.

It's so crazy. And August is like, yeah, yeah, we'll do that. Done. Sure. I mean, they make that one day in the merch tent. I don't give a fuck. Women's line. Women's golf line, ladies and gentlemen. And this has been asked many times to do this. We believe it or not, I have female listeners.

And women are getting much bigger in golf, just a fact. I actually heard from retailers in golf galaxies and the PJTor Superstores and on that, that the percentage in terms of breakdown of merchandise that's sold there by gender, by male, female, that the women is like double or tripled over the last few years because women are just getting a lot more into the game. Clearly, we don't have a ton of women's merchandise. on the Barcelona golf side because our show is three or four dudes who don't really understand that. So worked with our merch team.

Allison, Pilar, Alex, females, worked with them, put out surveys, asked a ton of different women in the golf world, what they like, what they, what kind of styles, what should we focus on, what do you need, what sucks, what's good, and came out with a women's line that hopefully will appease females in the golf world. who enjoy what we do and what to rep the brand. Bottom line, we got a new women's golf line that is out. We got a full zip, quarter zip, golf tops, dress, squirt, windbreaker, visor, bucket hats, all kinds of good stuff. You can go to store.dartbarshalsports.com. You can also go check it out at the PGA Tour Super Store. But, boys, we have a women's golf line out now, and it's fantastic.

It's an amazing line. The whole team crushed it from the design to the colors to just everything. The promotion was great. I think it's, we knocked it out of the park. I got a lot of DMs. A lot of the, I got a couple of Islanders wives were like, right and like, yes. And they bought like the windbreaker one is so good that I actually got a couple DMs being like, hey, can we kind of make this like, you know, like both men and women can

wear this? Because I kind of want to just wear this, like unisex. They nailed it. Go to Barstool Women's Collection in the Barstool store. It's amazing. and, you know, we're just going to start really hammering that stuff out. We've got women that listen to the show now. I mean, that's just a fact that we have to just accept that women like the show and they like to golf.

And, you know, it's not, and I have to maybe watch my tone and my, am I in the way I speak now because we are, I have a broader more, you know, it's a different audience that we're seeing. So it makes me, I have to be on my game. You know what I mean? It's not just fucking Tom Dick and Harry listen to this thing anymore. We've got a lot of people listen to this thing. And we're selling a lot of merch. It's good. I like it.

I fucking like the women's line. Go check out the women's line. It's store. Dot barstolesports.com. We got a lot of cool stuff in there that is so good that a lot of guys are reaching out being like, how come you don't know any making this for us. So go check out the women's line store dot barstolesports. I did golf with Whitney yesterday, which was pretty cool. How was that?

And I played with Francis. It was quite the duo. If you think back to my history of Barcelona sports. It's an interesting crew. I've had quite the. rivalry with Whitney and then Francis famously used to just write how you'd like to have sex with me all the time and all these ridiculous blogs on Barstall. It was a very enjoyable round. Bayonne Golf Club, as we know, is the craziest place ever. I mean, it's not to be believed how good that golf course is. The range, you're hitting balls into the ocean, into the river. You might have put up the best golf picture on your Instagram story. Dude, it's from Bayonne. It's crazy. It's crazy how good that place is. You're a good picture taker. but that one, you really, you really showed out for that. That was a shocking picture.

Yeah. And dude, we played good golf. Like there was, I don't think anyone hit a bad shot all day. I think I might have hit 14 greens of regulation. I shot a 85 and I four putt like three times. Like I probably should have shot. How fuck did you shoot 85? I probably, dude, through four holes, I had 12 puts.

Yikes. So it was just boge, bogey, bogey, bogey, bogey. But like that, all right. Yes, it's yikes, but it's also such a more enjoyable round of golf to play that way. Like, I know putting sucks and I should have shot in the high 70s or low 80s. And Whitney was, like, stunned at how my game was. Like, I was just playing well. But like I'll take that game all day long, hitting good drives, fucking hitting iron shots right over pins and just like hitting greens.

Like, you're just playing off. Like, yeah, you can't get the ball in the hole. And it's like a joke once you're on the green. But like, that's like two minutes where. of like, I just can't get it in the hole. The rest of the day, you're just hitting athletically good shots.

Come on. I'll take that all day. I'll clean up the putting at some point. It's frustrating, but fuck. Bayonne's insane. It's like a fake life place. It's actually insane.

Yeah. Take the ferry over? I did not. We had like a 7 a.m. T. time before work. So like I just drove through Satin Island from Long Island came up. But, dude, even the drive up to the clubhouse is nuts. it's not a real place.

I put it up with no location tag on Instagram at first, and everyone thought we were in Scotland already. I could see that. Yeah, that makes sense. It looks like Scott. I mean, yeah. It's a wild like dichotomy, that place versus the New Jersey. Like there's the ships and all that of that.

And then you just have this place that looks like Scotland. It's fucking a clubhouse too is insane. It's insane. And yeah, and like there's all these like cool things. Like the water like erodes. Or like the story behind it's amazing. Like the water was like eroding that area. So like they would always like dig up a lot of sand to like not have the water take away a lot of the land.

And then like the guy who just bought it was like, hey, can I just take all this sand you guys are taking out from the water and just like build a golf course there. Like it's just like marshy dump area. And he just built maybe the best golf course I've ever seen on like a dump or like a swamp area right outside in New York City. It's nuts. So yeah, really cool. But Matthew Fitzpatrick, even cooler. Oh, I got something. We got our first guy playing in a corn fairy tour event,

Alistair Doherty, who is playing this weekend, who's going to be wearing basketball golf gear. Holy shit. Buddy of mine, caddydoll winter at Silver Leaf out in Arizona. Got to know him there through Henkey, Panky, actually. Awesome, dude. He had played in, he made it, qualified for a PJ tour event last year, a couple years ago, had like some conditional status,

trying to grind and make it. Really, really good player. And then he Monday qualified last week for the Wichita event and finished tied for 23rd. I think he shot like 12 under. And so that got him into this week's event, I think, in Portland, Maine. And he had been kind of talking with me about like, dude, I would wear your guys stuff.

So we sent him some stuff, send him some gear, and he's going to be rocking our gear now and going forward. Oh, fuck yeah. Alistair, our guy, go check him out, Corn Ferry Tour event in Portland, Maine. Again, he finished fucking T-23, I think last week, got him, made like four or five, six grand, which is huge for him. And then that top, I think if he finished top 25, you get into the next week's event. So he then, like, booked a flight and was trying to find, like, a host family and doing the whole grind.

And was like, I would love, like, some gear. So we sent him a bunch of gear. He's going to be rocking our stuff going forward. So root for Alistair, if you get the chance. Hell yeah. And you check him out. He's our guy. I love that.

I told him take a bunch of pictures and, like, we'll just have pictures of a guy wearing our fucking murder. I sent him some Peter Mouard stuff, some Unreal stuff, some Robax that I just sent him a little mix of everything. Perfect. I love it. So, Matt just wins? Oh my God, dude. Then he's on the PJ door.

He's wearing our shit. We're going to make this guy the most famous corn fairy player you've ever seen. Oh, big time. So yeah, he's going to send me some picks. He just got, I'm texting him right now. He just texted me that like his caddies are running back to the house to see if the package arrived with all of our gear. Chris Pilar and Allison and out, they all hooked it up.

and made sure we could get gear to them as fast as possible. So I've been like looking at the tracking and checking and sh- So anyway, Alistair, have a great week.