Fore Play - Maury Povich, The Leaf Rule, & Golf Course Branding

Episode Date: November 25, 2020

Paternity test savant Maury Povich (48:46) joins the show. He famously hopped on a few other Barstool shows and went out of his way to say Riggs needs to make swing adjustments. We get to the bottom of it and hear about how the Maury show came about, his love for golf, and discuss different tracks. In headlines we preview the upcoming Charles Barkley, Phil Mickelson, Steph Curry, Peyton Manning match, and in From The Gallery, we go over the leaf rule, how Tour players get paid, and our favorite golf course branding!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. It is Wednesday the 25th of November. We are doing a Wednesday show. Probably be our last one for a while, although I don't know exactly what the schedule looks like for Christmas and New Year's and all those weeks, so it might not be. But anyway, the point is you're getting Monday Wednesday this week because of the holiday. So happy Thanksgiving. I hope everybody has a great time.

Hope everybody's safe. Hope everybody's making the smart, wisest decision for you and your families. And good luck with all that. Mori from The Mori Show is on the podcast. He popped up in the barstool lore in the barstool world. Several months ago, he's on Barstall breakfast. He's on KFC radio. And he just goes out of his way to bring up my golf swing.

So he said, we've got to get this guy on the podcast. And we just, we have to talk to him. He's a gigantic golfer. And we went for over a half hour on golf. And in a very surprising turn of events, I thought it went extremely well for yours truly. Yeah, he's your biggest fan in the world. He's the nicest guy in the world.

It's hard to imagine that he came on our show, and was that into your swing, your life, everything about you. They also kind of humanized him to a point where we forgot he was more, like we forgot who he was. We're like, who is this guy that's just a huge race fan? Oh, wait. It's, it's Mori who's been on TV since like 19, fucking 90 and has never missed an episode and it's just dominated fraternity tests our entire fucking life. Like, I don't know.

It's crazy how fucking crazy. How into it he was. I never once got used to it for the 30 minutes he was, however long he was. he was on the show. Never one. And he was sitting on set. Like, wasn't like he was in,

at his house or in a hotel room. He was on the Mori set. So it was hard to, as easy as it was, disassociate him from the show because he was so cool and down to earth. But then you look up

and he's sitting on the set of the show. And it's like, that's Moripovich. He's a TV legend. But he was great. He was really good. And, you know, hopefully he comes back on the show.

Maybe we'll get to golf them at some point it would be great. Yeah, it was like at any second, somebody was going to hand him the DNA results from a progeridate. And then he's just talking and breaking down, you know, foreplay and where we've been, where I've been, my swing, what he thinks I need to do differently. It was almost, it was a little bit Alfonso-RabreOS where it was like, this guy is so into golf that it was surprising because you think the only thing he's into is his TV show. Like, how could he be that success? That's just the only thing that you align him with is sitting on that set, doing the damn thing, running it, like playing the hits, right? That's just what he's

been doing for 30 or 40 years. That's what he does all day. And he's like, oh, no. And he's talked about how great the gig was, how he's got all this, you know, time off in between seasons and when they run and how all he wants to do is play golf. He's talking about Whisper Rock down in the Scottsdale area, which is a phenomenal club with 36 holes. And so, you know, him just being so into golf and the golf scene was, it was a little job. but it was also cool to see. And it's, you know, we've talked about it before, but it's one of our favorite parts of doing this show

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Friday, November 27, we have at Stone Canyon Golf Club in Arizona. It's in the Tucson area, I believe. We have a very interesting golf match. It does not include Tiger Woods, however. It includes Charles Barkley and Phil Nicholson against Step Curry and Peyton Manning. I don't believe we've talked about this yet.

This, of course, popped up with the radar a month or so ago, whenever exactly it was. This is the match, champions for change, it's for good cause, and it's another, you know, made for TV. We're pretty familiar with these at this point. It's been a couple years of doing these things. The last one that they did was awesome. The Paines Valley Cup down at Big Cedar Lodge by home state of Missouri. It's Tiger Woods course, his first public course in the United States that he's open. It's a really, really sweet spot.

I've been there a couple times already. But that one with Tiger, with J.T., with Rory, and with Justin Rose was an absolute home run. They nailed it with the commentary. They nailed it with kind of allowing the commentary to step aside and mic up the players. They have like the AirPods in. and they just spoke, chirped. You know, you had J.T.

like chirping the shit out of Justin Rose when he hooked one like out of play. You had him giving Rory's shit when he was lipping out, putts left and right. And now we're going to get it with, like I said, Charles Barkley and Phil Nicholson versus Steph Curry and Peyton Manning. I almost, a part of me, things like,

is Charles Barkley even capable of playing in a golf match? Well, I think that's the most intriguing, one of the most intriguing things of this match, because everybody's seen the Charles Barkley YouTube swing, and you've only seen glimpses, but I'm very excited to see him hit the ball, you know, whatever, 70 times, 80 times, 90 times. Because I just want to see what his golf swing looks like.

And then I also want to see the outcomes of these golf balls because it is one of the most egregious hitches in the golf swing of, like, of all time. I mean, it's incredible that an athlete of his nature that, you know, perennial pro ball or maybe even a league NBA. P. Pro bowl. Love it. Charles.

What? What did you say? Charles Barkley, pro bowler. Did I say pro bowler? Yeah. He could have been a pro bowler, man. He would have been a pro bowler.

He absolutely could have been a pro bowler. Did someone a fart when Ler was talking there? Did anyone hear that little fucking noise that came out? What? Did someone let a fart out when Lurch was just talking? Tell me the truth. Tell me the truth.

No? No one? Lurch, did something squeak out of? of you when you were talking there? No, I didn't squeaked out of it. Boy, I mean, it was some, there was, we're going to, people had to have heard like 30 seconds ago. There was, unless it's just coming through my computer, it was a low tone just, like, as you

were fucking speaking about that. Well, someone just, like, actively farted. Okay, but go ahead. Charles Barker, also, I think, go ahead, Trent. I think he, I think, I could be wrong, but I think he might have fixed his swing at some at some point. Yeah, that's not as I was just said. But I'm not sure.

I can't remember if that's right or I dream that. Well, he did the Hank Haney project. He did the Hank Haney project, which, you know, he was, but I don't know that he got over it. I mean, I remember at times Hank Haney got him through right because they talked about how it's essentially similar to like the Yips, where you get this mental block. It's not physical. It's not like he's incapable. It used to be able to actually hit the wall pretty well. And Hank Haney was able to get him to a point at times on the show where he actually swung pretty fluidly and he could hit the ball and play.

golf, but I can't imagine that if you have this little hitch issue, which it is not the worst hit hitch issue in just golf. It's maybe the worst hitch kind of mental block issue in any sport that I've ever seen. I mean, it would be like if someone went to throw a football and their arm just stopped like a quarter of the way through and the ball just fell to the floor. Like, oh, yeah, I have a hitch. You'd be like, what do you mean? You have a hitch. Like you can't just like, No, just like swing the club through the bottle. Just like, just swing it. Or someone had a baseball bat and they just like, they got to like right in the slot.

And then the bat just fell out of their hands. And then you'd be like, well, why don't you just like just swing the fucking bat? It's crazy that he has that bad of a hitch thing. And now what I'm saying is like if you're playing a made for TV, it's on T&T, you're playing with these other three stars. Like that's as nervous as it gets. And if your little hitch appears when there's nerves, and stress like it's gonna

fucking appear boys or girl have you ever seen somebody develop a hitch or something like that or like something where it's freakish it doesn't work anymore yeah like fucking chucking a block can't throw the ball to first base yeah I mean that's kept throwing it into the fucking

you just kept throwing it into the stands he just couldn't figure out to throw the ball to first base Rick and Keel just couldn't pitch anymore like it just happens to guys that's true dude Ernie L's. Remember Ernie L's when he just couldn't putt?

Like at the Masters, he opened the Masters like a seven putt on the first pole in the Masters. And like, yeah, you just go through things. I mean, I know that's a little yippy. But yeah, I mean, it sucks. It's sad. My brother's going to kill me for this, but he developed something in tennis where basically like you're taught to like bring the racket back

and throw the ball up at the same time. But he couldn't do it and then release the ball. So he'd be standing with the baseline doing like Ws kind of at the the back and he would take him like 30 of these before he could throw it up and then he would hit it. Come on. But he like developed it when he was probably, I don't know, probably young, like sixth grade, something like that. He also, that was the time in his life.

I mean, he was six feet tall in the eighth grade. So he just grew weight. Like he was just huge. And I mean, he was eventually like an visual athlete. He's a good athlete. But like at that time, his body was just too big for his own good. And so people would be like, oh, you got to go back to back. Like, how tall are you?

He was always this, like, psych to me see. But then he couldn't toss it, dude. It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. He's playing him. We're like, God, we're playing the bird today. He's like, sitting down. Fucking, oh, the birds here again. Fucking big birds on the other side of the court.

Jesus. Oh, man. Get it over here. Go on. That's a great line. I love that. The birds here. It's so true, dude.

Just flapping out there and trying to toss it. I feel bad, too, because I fucking love your brother. He is a legend. I mean, he's cured it. It's cured. But it was there for probably a year, maybe a year or two. And he just couldn't toss. Couldn't do it.

It would just stay in the hand, dude. The bird would be flap. And for literally, you'd be doing 20 to 30 flaps before the ball goes up. It's not the same level, but with my chipping too, and I know this is in a fucking old story at this point. But, like, I know, like, Charles Barkley knows he has to get the ball, the club. From the top of his fucking head, like, at his time, top whatever apex of a swing down to the ball.

He knows he has to do that. But he physically can't figure out how to do it. It's a mental block. Same with me. Kevin Kisner's like, all you have to do is put all the weight on your front foot and have that leading edge come through. Just fucking trust your hands.

Trust it. And I'm like, I know, dude. I just can't. I'm trying. It happens to me all the fucking time. Like, I just, it's a mental block. You see it. You're like, go hands, do it.

And you can't. So Charles is probably like, what the fuck? What the fuck? Can I not hit this golf? I know what to do. I know it. Dude, his practice swings, money. You ever see?

Yeah. Years of him fucking step up there. He flushes the tee. And then he looks at that little white ball, man. He's like, I can't. I just, I just, dude. I remember Hank Hayney used to have him like he would arrive at his practice sessions. And Hank King would have like 300 golf balls teed up in a row.

and he would literally just stand there and go hit the first one off a tee and then step like a foot forward and hit the second one off a tee. And he would just do that all day long because, he's like, no, if you put it on this tea and you just get through like, we're just going to literally through reps, we're just going to like erase your little mental block and we're going to do it through reps. And it's like, I know you can do it. You know you can do it. Why don't you just do it? And I would say, like, I've actually had something similar in cornhole, which I know is ridiculous. But, like, cornhole is when we're like, I know. I play, like, a decent amount of court.

Like, I feel like I can be as good as anyone. You just can't admit. But there's times when you're just like, I feel like you're just like pulling it or so. And you're just like, why am I not just releasing it right at the middle of, like, that I just need to release it right at the middle of the hole? Why am I not just doing that? And you're like yanking it nonstop and you just can't hit the board. and it's fucking infuriating. Like, I don't know that that counts as it,

but it feels like such a simple, like motor skill, whatever, that you know you have and you can't do it. And it doesn't make sense that you can't do it because the next day you might just be able to do it. And it's so infuriating. So, yeah, it's very intriguing to see what happens with Charles Barter. It's always blown my mind where underhand things where you have a lot more control like Cornhole.

I fancy myself to be a very good bags player. I'm going to call it bags for the people in the industry. So, you know, it's, I've always, always found it very odd for people have bad days in cornhole. It's something that you can really control really easily. It's the same throw. It's the same distance. It's the same knee movement. I know you can say the same about golf, but like the course changes, your lie changes, the slope changes the whole thing. In Cornell, it literally never changes. You hit the same spot no matter what's going on, unless you're going for a hole or around something, whatever. But your actual

release doesn't change. And same with like bowling to me. Like it always blew my mind that people could have bad days in bowling. It seems very controllable, right? Like, it's just, you take the same ass steps, you release a ball, and that fucking lane is the same thing over and over and over again. I know the pin setup changes if you don't get a strike, but like, it's a fucking same thing over and over, and I love bowling. Are you a good bowler? No, but I love bowling. I'm not good. I'm like a It defeats your whole premise of like... If you're good... I've never...

Like, I don't know... Yeah. Like, you never had a bad game bowling? That was real defeat. Yeah, that was just a goal. You're trying to work it out in your head. What do you think the difference is? I think I was thinking of just like good players.

Like, once you develop that skill of doing it, like you're saying, like, if you just know where to release it in Cornell, it's like a mental block to be able to pull it and push it. Like, for me in bowling, if you just... just develop that like correct release. It's just a million times doing the same thing. You're hitting the same line. I'm trying to think of things that are just so repetitive. But like in putting, right, like if you just have like a five foot putt that's just like right center and you just can't, it's like it's literally a stroke that's like that long, but people get the yips and just like can't do it. It's such a like it's muscle memory. It's the same thing. Yeah, I guess it's just I don't know. I'm just

trying to think of things that are just like constant to me right like I don't know it's like I don't know why I brought up bowling but bowling to me seems like you should be able to master it well and like master roll 300 every time out but let me say this too like my mom's a big bow or like the lanes are different the lanes change they're like different you know like how slick they are and all that that changes dramatically like the wax on that same thing with bags too right Maybe it's a miss. Maybe it's a miss. I'm okay to toss that one up as a miss.

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dollars more spending bushnell golf dot com code is for play 25 um okay charles barclay is going to be fascinating phil's always good in these things we've seen that step curry's game has been on display before i think he's played a few different um corn fairy tour events nearly made the cut in at least one of them i think he shot like 74 72 or something like that he shot pretty damn good So Steph Curry can play. He's just a player. So I think he'll be pretty good. And then Peyton Manning.

Tahoe, Van, I think he was a stud out there. I think he just missed the cut, Steph Curry. But his game's been public for a long time now. Yeah, yeah, he did. In the Court Fair tour, he's, again, he just missed the cut. I think I was like a year or so ago. And then Peyton Manning is, you know, he played in the last one. And he played damn well.

He played significantly better than Tom Brady. And he's phenomenal on these things. he's funny. I mean, he's Peyton. He's all over fucking every commercial you've ever seen for a reason. And so, uh, so tune in. It's at 3 p.m. on T&T. It'll be fun.

It's the day after Thanksgiving. So, you know, a lot of people have nothing else going on. And get yourself a little golf. I'm excited to tune in. I will be watching. And, um, and hopefully it goes well. Uh, okay. From the gallery, for Play at barcelports.

That is how you submit. Um, we're going to rip through some of these. We've had a bunch of these backed up for a little while. now. Tucker says, so fog off's here. Unfortunately, that means the court's covered in leaves. So if you hit a decent drive and just miss the fair way and can't find your ball under all the leaves, what do you do? If you play it as a loss ball, take a penalty and a drop, or just take a free drop where it most likely ended. Look, I think we all would just play the leaf rule. I think everybody agrees with their buddies. You play the leaf rule, which is like if everybody knows that it just

clearly went into a place, you clear out yourself a little, you know, a little grassy knoll, and you drop a ball, you take no penalty, and you just play it from where everybody agrees that it went to. And it really kind of reminded me of the Bryson DeCambeau situation on the third hole at the Masters tournament, which is like it's preposterous that there's not a rule for him to have been able to just drop his ball. Frankie made an extremely good point,

which was when we were talking about that, which was that like if Bryson's ball was just a little bit embedded, then he would have been totally fine because they would have seen it. He gets the rule where you get to just replace or you get to drop an embedded ball. But because it was like more embedded to where they couldn't see it right away, he got basically a two or three stroke penalty where he had to go all the way back to the D, which is ridiculous.

So it's really the same kind of principle, which is like if everybody just knows that a ball is in the spot, in my opinion, you just take the drop and you just play. Yeah. I played a public track out here. I mean, on Long Island, it was a wind watch, a place I used to go all the time. and the fucking, it's a really good track, but like they, during this time of the year, like, the difference between this and Glenn Oaks, like I played Glen Oaks also, and there's not a leaf on the ground, Glenn Oaks, it's literally Augustin National. It's the craziest shit I've ever seen. But then you go to Winwatch where it's like, not the shit on Windwatch, but it's just more public and they're just not doing the same things over there. All the leaves are pushed to the right and left. And I mean, it's up to your shins and leaves. And when the ball goes over there, you're like, come on. Like, I'm in a match with my buddies, pride on the line. And, and, You're like, what the, like, you're just like, I know my ball went in here.

It just makes that awkward just like, all right, like, I guess just drop us. No problem. Like, no one wants to fucking get into fights over fucking, I'm talking a foot deep of leaves out here at this golf course I played the other day. It was insanity. It was full on anarchy. No matter where you went, there was leaves. It was crazy. Yeah.

I mean, if you're telling people like, no, you don't get a drop because of leave, you're an asshole. You're just an asshole. I think it goes from the same points. of like, if you're playing with your buddies, just talk about it. And like, you sure, you should absolutely get a free drop. And if you're in the middle of the fairway and you're in a divot, roll it over. Like, just play the game and have fun and don't be like, don't nitpick about the rules. Like, the golf wasn't intended in my eyes to if you lose a ball under a leap and you can't find it, like to penalize a guy for that.

Like, no, just continue, keep it moving, have fun, put it in adrenaline, the area and then keep it moving. The thing that always drove me crazy, and when you're playing, in a match, I get it, like you want to win or whatever. But like, I've never made someone take the stroke or, like, go back and re-tee. Like, when we all are on a T-box and someone hits a drive just towards the rough, and, like, we all saw it make that bounce. And any normal human being, you'd be like, all right, like, it's somewhere over here. And we just can't find it.

There's a group behind us, like, just drop, bro, and just hit. Like, I can't imagine someone saying anything other than that. and I know what happens, but it's like, I don't know what to tell you, man. Like, we don't have fucking, we don't have, like, marshals out here with little flags running out and, like, putting ball. Like, sometimes the roughest stick, sometimes during the autumn, sometimes when the sun's coming down, everything looks like a ball. It's like, you just, let's just move on. The game's not supposed to be that crazy. Just move on.

Hit the ball. Your next one's not going in the hole anyway. Just fucking, let's go, let's go, fucking move on. You're just going to punch out, and you're going to make a five or a stick, and we're all just going to go to Borrell's after you get chicken barn. It does not matter. it's the difference between the 87 and the 89 let's like let's let's calm down and you and you probably deserve the 87 because it didn't sound like you had that bad of a drive so Randy says are you an asshole if you circle only birdies on the card but do not box bogeys don't show me that clean cut card if you shot an 84 but it looks like a two under I would say I strongly disagree with this like it people

you don't have time when you're keeping score. I'm all, I'm very frequently in most groups, the scorekeeper. And it's like, everybody just makes bogeys all the time. We're not that good at golf. So you'd be spending the whole fucking day drawing boxes on the card. Now, the only time that I would say I would, like, if you want to draw the box, it's fine. Go for it. But I would say the only time that I'll really do it, like is if I'm posting a scorecard doing like a live update or something on Instagram with people,

I'll put boxes on there because I think it's way easier to follow. which is the same reason that they literally do it on like the TV graphics, where it's like they'll do a box or they'll do a red if it's a birdie or whatever. But I think you got to circle birdies. Burdies are awesome. Bertie's like the whole reason that we go out and play. You can go out and shoot, you know, 105. But if you have two or three birdies, you'd be like, dude, I had a great time out there.

I made a couple birdies. So, of course, you circle those fucking birdies. You want them to stick out. Anytime somebody makes a birdie on a scorecard, someone should be able to look at that scorecard during the round or after the round. They'd be like, oh, shit, train. You had a couple of birdies. like great work out there yeah i'm not playing good enough golf to to box all my bogeys like it's it would look like a fucking uh what's it called what's the game tetris it looks like a tetris

board all my fucking it's just too many of these squares all in together um you know even my dad like whenever he makes that birdie my dad even my dad was star par is like in circle i'm like it's just when you're not when you're at that level of playing um it's more of just like a hey look at this hole when you're looking at this hole when you're looking back at it like you did something on this hole i know what the actual rules are for it and what like the symbols are and i do it from time to time if i'm like trying to keep a nice cool card like i'll do that if i'm playing well i'll like maybe go get a new card and like fucking write it really neat and like make sure everything's fucking good because i sometimes like that stuff

but if you're just fucking keeping track for yourself like fucking do whatever the fuck you want yeah i mean i'm not the person asking this because i keep score on my phone in the notes app i just put down numbers. You just write the par, dude. You just write five. I just write numbers. You don't even know if it was like, you don't know what it was.

No, but then if I need to, I can go back through and no, I don't. Yeah, it's just a list of random numbers. It's not the best way to do it, but it's the way that I enjoy the most. Because then I get to add those numbers up at the end, and it's always over 100, but one day it's not going to be. And that's going to be a great day,

and I can just add those numbers up. So again, I'm not the guy. to ask on this type of thing. It is kind of a genius way that you do it, Trent, because it means you genuinely have no clue what your number is going to be. And then, like you said, you add them up, you just punch them into your calculator at, and then at the end, you punch the last number in and hit like enter, and then it just gives you your number that you don't know what it's going to be. Correct. I mean, I do. Ah, 103. They got me again. back on a couple of weeks later

and that's just my life over and over and over again. Trent, are you still keeping school with a five or no? Say again? You're still doing the rule of fives thing that I taught you about keeping school or no? That is so ingrained to me at this point that I don't even think I'm conscious of it. Like I'm just always thinking about fives,

but I am also not always thinking about it, but it's always in the back of my head. Five is par. It's so ridiculous for people who haven't... newer listeners or whatever. But like basically you just think that every hole's a five. And if you make a five on every hole, you do the math, that's what, 90? So you're, you're playing well. So, but I don't think I actively think about it, but it's always in the back of my head for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I think it's a great way to break 90. Every par five, every hole,

you make a par on a part three, it's two wonder. It's great. And then to the question about boxing and the thought around it, unless you're in a scratch, and you're boxing bogeys. I mean, get out of my face. Yeah, it's crazy. If you're making a double, oh, you're going to double box it. It's like, hold on, I can't drive the cart just yet because I got to make 22 boxes over here for this group.

Like, will you making triple? What are you putting there? You just, you got a magic marker? Like, this is ridiculous. No, nobody boxes. You only circle the good stuff. Don't be in ass and try to box everything. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in the world.

It's only happens to me, when I'm playing a very, very good round, and go get a new card, like I said, if I want to keep something, like if we're playing fucking Sage Valley, I may go back after nine and be like, all right, let me grab a new card because I'm going to want to save this one.

This is, of course, I'm never going to come back through, and I want to box everything. I want to attest it and like shit. Yeah. We've done that like one or two times, I swear. And every other time, it's like, I mean, fuck it.

I'd rather do it in my phone at that point. Yeah, I agree. Like, if it is around, a few times where it's like a round that you really want it to look, like, legit and official. and you're probably proud of it or you played a sweet place

and it's around. Like, I could see throwing some boxes in like afterwards even or whatever. But yeah, if you're doing boxes for everybody in real time, you're a fucking crazy part. It's already hard enough

to be like seven, eight. How many did fucking Jim have over there? You know, and it's by the time, it's like, now you're going to write boxes and double boxes.

Not even have room for double boxes. Now you're just fucking do it. It's just a nightmare. How do you guys keep your scorecard? Because I, so the way I do it is I just write a number and then in the bottom right, it's what I am over to par of the same box.

So first hole five and I put a little one because I made a boge. Next hole fits a par five. I made a six. I put six and I put two. And the next hole I make it apart. I write three and then two. So I keep it.

So at the end of the nine, I'm just plus five. I boom, I do it right there. I don't do any met. I just keep in my head. And I always play against 90. But now I've like lowered myself, so I don't even really think about it too too much.

where I just write down every kind of individual whole score. And I generally know where I'm at if I'm playing well. But I don't always. And I definitely don't keep a running track. I just calculated at the nine. But like I would say when someone's like, someone else is keeping score for me and they're like, I'm like, what do I have there? I would say 90% of the time I know it on the notes just because I'm kind of like in tune with it.

Yeah, I mean, you guys know me. I like to keep a tight score card. So I usually, I mean, I usually. have everything pretty fucking dialed in. I usually got the handicaps on there. I usually got the match. I don't keep what anybody is to par. I usually just keep the match, almost exclusively just keep the match and if there's presses. And then at the end, in terms of adding them up, I don't add up number by number. I do actually just add them up by over par. So I usually can, like, remember which whole, like what the par is. If someone's got like a six on a four, I just know two.

and then I just go to what they are over and add that to 36 or whatever it is, and then that's their number. So that's usually the way that I keep it. Okay. There's almost always a rise in break-ins during the holidays. You might not know that, but now you do. I'm not trying to scare you. I'm just trying to provide you with important information so that you and your family can

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I ended up playing the entire round. But I played the holes out of order. Got my first ever hole in one on the other. 11th hole, but it was the seventh hole that I'd played, that I just get my first ever hole in one. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

There's no hotter scenario on this show than whether or not people we're giving people whole in ones or not. And this one, usually we're pretty tight with it. Well, that has loosened since two people on the show got hole in ones at the cradle. But I would think for this one, yes. I think it's an absolutely yes. You played 18 holes. You may have played them out of order, but who cares?

So I can't even think of the other side of this argument. Like, I don't even know what, like, give the counterpoint. Like, someone's going to come at me and say, like, you played out of order. It's like, well, you can play back nines out of order. Like, at what point is this, this is getting ridiculous. I mean, that's just, he made a hole in one, played all teen holes. That's just, that's a counter. Someone's giving him grief over this.

That person's wrong. Right. Just remove him out of front. Right. That person's just no longer a friend. What if you play in like a shotgun start and start on whole six? Perfect. Perfect.

Yeah, it counts. It just counts. What if you're playing a puppy tournament, they start you on 10th? Yeah. What if there's a weather delay on that same tournament where you start on 10, then restart on like six? Correct. So, congratulations. What's his name?

Mark. Well, what were you going to say, Rick? You were looking around your room a little bit. I feel like you were just trying to think of the counter. Okay. I think I was trying to. trying to come up with a count. I was also trying to think of, I was trying to present something that would be similar in my mind that, like, I thought maybe you guys would actually be against

counting it to basically plays devil's advocate and get a rise out of you, but I couldn't really come up on a nick. I was kind of thinking of, I was like, well, what if somebody just goes out and plays, like, they're like, oh, after work, I'm just going to go play, like, one hole real quick. I got to put it or whatever, like, they live on the course, and they just go tee off on a part three and they, like, get a hole in one. And then they're like, well, shit, I guess I'll play some more hole and so that it kind of counts. So it's going to be like, that's that count.

Like, of course that would count. So I don't, I don't really think there's a good counter. I think it's just a no-brainer, whole on one. No brainer. We've got, oh, this is a good one. I've actually had this one on the list for a long time. Brian says, how long after a tournament do you think the players get paid and how?

Mail the check, direct deposit, et cetera. and this was after, I believe it was like right around the time that Moracawa won, this guy sent this one in. He's like, does Morikawa just keep checking his bank account for like a day or two waiting to see like $1.9 million in his bank account? The only thing I would, I want to bring this up was like, I know having been around with Kiz when he, on Sunday, when he finishes a tournament, that he literally gets a text message from like the PGA tour texting account

that once all the groups have finished and the payouts are official, he gets a text message with like what place he finished and how much money that he made, which is pretty fucking cool. And we were like, I think it was the, I know it was TBC Scottsdale last year at the Phoenix Open. Maybe it was two years ago. Maybe it might have been a couple years ago, but I think it was last year. And anyways, he kids like finishes up and they always do that in Super Bowl Sunday. So it's like you just want to get like some beers and watch the Super Bowl.

like, yeah, absolutely. And while we were like sat down to start watching the Super Bowl, he just gets a text. And he was just like, oh, $57,000 this week. So it was just like, wait, what? And he's like, yeah, I get this thing. And he just showed me that you just get a tech. So I don't know when it actually gets deposited,

but I imagine it's probably the next morning. Yeah, I mean, I assume you have all the money. How did they do it before direct deposit, you think? Right, you'd check? They just say you check? There was this thing back in the day. heyday, Trent, where actually they would send you an envelope and they would write things down, you'd go to your bank and hand it to the teller, and the teller would look at it and stamp it

and be on your way. You're a lion. You're lying. You know, there's, you know, the world existed before the internet and TV and fucking your little phones, your little tablets. I wonder how long that took, though. If they got to mail out these fucking checks, they're not getting it that Sunday. No, but I think they were pretty efficient.

I think the point, you'd argue it's not a direct deposit. I think it was somewhat efficient. You don't know, dude. Now you're making shit up. It couldn't have been to the point where people, like, didn't get their money in a reasonable time. No, but, I mean, I bet, or they could have just maybe waited around after they gave out checks.

A couple business days. A couple business days. Throw it right in the mail. It gets there. I mean, it's not instantaneous. You're not getting a fucking text message. Sure, but couple business days, I don't know. Five business days at the most.

You got that fucking cash. It sounds like you missed checks. I don't. You know what I actually miss? And I haven't done it in a minute. I used to do it a long time. Do that little whoop at the fucking bank. Yeah.

Hang up the tubes. Come back lollipops? Oh, that thing was dead. Would they drop a couple lollipops in there? What a day. When that thing went away, it's got to hurt the lollipop business. That's a lollipop business. I was like, I got a lollipop out of me.

What? I don't know that I've heard you didn't handle sugar well as a kid. No. You were off the walls, I bet. They probably gave you lollipops, but your ma or your pa, my mom, papa did not. They slipped in their pocket for themselves later. My dad sent up a help me, son. Help me get this beam out of the back seat.

Okay. Eric says, what's the best branding you've ever seen at a, golf club or a golf resort. I would say for me it's a no-brainer Pinehurst. I think like when you, they're very into the branding. Our friend Mr. Tom Pashley is obsessed with the branding, but they've nailed it. Like Pinerst number two has its own branding, its own logo. It's got like when you put, it's the most exciting thing in all golf when you walk to

the first tee at Piner's number two. when you put your hand in that little bucket, and they got those Piner's number two T's, that literally say, like, number two in the spot where you put your ball with, like, the little stripes, a little, like, green reds. That, to me, is, and then that's not even bringing in, like, the putter boy logo,

the Pioneer's number four that has, like, the wooden flag sticks and the simplicity of, like, four with just, like, the orange circle. Then they have number eight, which is completely different. It's, like, blue and kind of anything. So I, would have to say no-brainer for me pinehurst i think erin hills is up there too but i think it's fine that was going to be mine mine was going to be erin hills there's just the whole vibe of it even

even this might not even be branding i guess it probably isn't just the plot of land that it's on when you enter you feel like you're in ireland which is like just the way they set up the buildings and obviously the t's have the little uh three three leaf clover four leaf clover three four well three four rigs might have something Aaron Hill's probably be there it is

there it is it looks like three it is three that see even that that logo is so fucking fire yeah it's good you know and that that head cover you got the green and the white and the brown it's just the Aaron Hills is definitely my favorite

it's the one that's left the most seven on that rings why is there seven So this is this head cover they sent me. They sell these now, but this is literally from the flag on the seventh hole. This flag was flying on the seventh hole. And then they just took it, Seamus Golf, and wove it into a head cover. That's pretty cool. How sick is that?

That's pretty cool. Yeah, Aaron Hills gets it for me. Yeah, I think Aaron Hills is definitely up there. I think like they did the simplicity of it. They've got the three leaf clover tea markers. They've got that little clover. It's one of those things you can stamp it on anything or engrave it on anything and it looks really clean. They've got it on the, they've even got it on like the little range bags that they give.

You know, those little mini tour bags of like that they fill with range balls. They've got the little clover on that thing at Aaron Hills and it looks so, so good. They've got it. When you walk to the first tea, they've got it. got like that little hut at Aaron Hills where you kind of see like the starter and in there they have this really um really cool like spread of the ball markers and of like scorecards they even have markers for you to mark up your golf balls and on that thing they have like the little clover on the side of it and it just looks fucking awesome so Aaron Hills did a great job too yeah it's almost like a

cheat code with that logo like they're it's almost like they didn't have to think very much to do that one It's like Aaron Hill's got an Irish vibe to it and they just fucking do a three-leap clover. But it fucking works. Like, yeah, it's like that logo is so simple and so obvious and so easy. But why would it be anything else? You know what I mean? It's so. I totally disagree.

That logo is so intricate. If he holds that up again. No, I know the inside of, they made it their own for sure. But the idea of like an Irish themed cottage around a place called Aaron Hills, like logo to be. a three-leaf clover like it might as well be a leprechaun right like it's just like it's just very like it is what it is like that's the logo they had to pick it's very obvious it's obviously their own version of it like they had they couldn't just fucking take the the clip art version but it works and i'm not saying it doesn't i think that's what it had to be like it's yeah it's the Toronto maple leaves

obviously needed a leaf like a maple leaf as their logo like Aaron hills needed a three-leaf clover as their logo and they nailed it and it's super simple it's super easy they just they the branding around them is very very good the name of the golf course the logo the vibe of the cottages everything about it the way that the sun hits the fucking now i don't really i don't love my experience at aranils because i shot like a hundred something and it just didn't sit right with me so i need to go back and have a better experience at that golf course but i love everything off the course our friend Steve I guarantee our friend Steve will be reaching out to you to have you make a glorious return to Aaron Hulls after hearing that but and it does factor in like when you play shitty versus when you play well like a lot of people's favorite golf course ever you know you ask them that question they'll give you the answer and you'd be like how'd you play and they'll be like I played lights out it's a great round like well yeah I mean of course you love the golf course and it's obviously the you know the opposite when you have a a shitty round um Okay, today's episode is sponsored by Guideline.

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It's been a long day. It's been a really long day. I think people got to understand, and they will one day when we release some content pieces that we've been working on. A little tease. Little tease, but we did. Today was one of the biggest days we ever had in the history of our job. My God. Here's a team.

Here at four points. I am functioning at a caloric deficit right now. I haven't eaten anything. It's been, we didn't have a second to do anything today. we did so much shit. Again, this is a tease, but that's just what it is. Edging the shit at me right now. We're just fucking, this is, we had the biggest day in Foreplay history when it comes to video content, and that's not even, there's not even a close second, I don't think. No, it's not a close second. It's going to be a little

while before people were able to see that. So, you know, we've got to be a little quiet about it. But the point is we had a long day. We did a great day. We had a productive day. Now we've been doing, we're doing multiple podcasts today. So it's been a long day. I don't know what I'm saying. Frankie Pick called me out. I still don't know what I'm saying. So we're just going to say now we're going to this fucking interview with our friend Moripovich, who's the man.

And we will hope to God that you have a great Thanksgiving. Have a great holiday. We'll be back on Tuesday of next week. Enjoy the interview. All right, folks. We're joined by a guest who really entered our world like a wrecking ball over the last few months, over the last few weeks. You know him for decades now.

dominating on television. Moripovich, who's a great golfer, and we'll get into the show, we'll get into a lot of stuff. But let's just start off with every time I log on to Twitter, I see you just roast in my swing on a new Barstool show.

Well, now, Riggs, first of all, obviously I admire you because I follow you. I follow you all across the country. I followed you for the entire 99 days at Pinehurst. So I consider you my Instagram friend. And the only thing I said was, as I watched you, was because I've been at this a long time when it comes to golf. And I can tell you how it started in terms of when I first got my first lesson. But you take the club a little inside on the way back.

And I suffer from the same problem. And so I know what can happen if you take it too far inside. You can either hang on and flip it. If you flip it, you'll go left. And if you hang on, you'll go right. So I appreciate this, right? So this was, everyone's kind of like, Riggs, you get roasted, you're a loser,

Mori fucking buried you. I'm like, no, he's actually, now you're giving me this, this positive feedback on my swing, which we're all looking for. And right after you started kind of talking to us, people were hitting me up. Like I tatted for more here. He's a stick.

He's a one. He's a two handy. Right. Clearly, you know a lot about the golf swing. Well, I'll tell you how it happened. It's very interesting, and it kind of dovetails into the fact that you're in Scottsdale, okay? So many years ago, 31 years ago, when I was a middle-aged guy, my wife for my 50th birthday, I had never had a lesson before.

I had been a, you know, a high school athlete. I, you know, it was all hand-eye coordination. I played golf. I won a few club tournaments. I was probably, I don't know, seven, eight handicapped, something like that. And so for my 50th birthday, my wife bought, she, Connie Chung, she researched everything, got the greatest golf teacher that she could find. His name was Peter Costas.

And she sent Peter Costas to our home in New Jersey for my 50th birthday present. And she said he's the golf god when it comes to golf. and the problem is that for the last 31 years, I have chased Peter Costas all over the globe. He is not only my teacher, but probably one of my three or four best friends in the world. And so now Connie calls him the golf devil, of course, because I would rather be with Costas than anybody, family or anybody.

And so what happened was Costas and his great buddy Gary McCord, who I played a lot of golf. with. When I got to be around, I don't know, 55 or so, and then senior golf became very important. They said, you can really compete. And so they really worked hard for me. And in the year 2000, I made the U.S. senior amateur, and I made match play in the U.S. senior amateur, and I played in three British senior amateurs. And so, and that's when I was like 60. So I, what can I tell you? I mean, I've been a golf addict forever. It's the only addiction that my wife allows me.

And so now, Costas is at my club, my club in Scottsdale Whisper Rock. So I hear you're going out there. And so you've got to see Costas and McCord and tell them that you're not going to take the club inside anymore. Look, I'm fascinated by this, right? Because every golfer is trying to get better. It's like we're, we talk about this all the time. It's the only sport that, like, if you're a fan of football, you don't play football every weekend. You're a fan of golf.

We play golf all the time. There's instructional stuff. So you're telling me, I'm yanking it back too far inside right away. On the way back. By the way, you have a good swing. I mean, it's a terrific swing. There's nothing wrong with your swing. I mean.

Oh, man. Really? You think so? You don't like it? Please continue more. Please. You don't like it? Also, Riggs. Riggs, I know you're trying to be very polite by, like,

asking Mori, like what he sees, like, you know you come from, I mean, you're the most inside swing of all time. Like, don't act like, you don't know that. This guy, this guy, every, every video we filmed, he tops the first T-shot. He's over here. I mean, I don't, I don't consider myself to have a good golf swing. The fact of the matter is that you have the most famous inside swing the evening golf. Hey, look, but once he gets the top, he's pretty good, don't you think? I mean, on the doubt. Well, we've had this debate at some point for him to be like a five handicap. He has to make some sort of good contact at some point along his slink. Now, what we need is to get down to the nitty gritty of like the details. How does he get from such a poor position to perfect, I guess,

like at some point he has perfect ball contact. I want to tell you something. What you have to do is think that you're taking it outside, but you're really taking it back square. That's, that's what I do. I mean, I think I'm Jim Furek, and if you saw me on video, it's kind of straight back. I mean, that's what Costas tells me. It is interesting that process because I only took one golf less than my entire life. Probably should take it more now that you see my game. But I was swinging like John Daly. I could see the clubbed in the back of my eye. And I was like, whatever, 15, 16 years old. The guy was like, just swing 50%. And I promise you when you look at the footage, you're going to be perfectly right here. And to this day, that's the only swing thought I have is just swing 50%

and I still come all the way back and crazy. But like I try, it is funny that when you think you're doing something, like you're saying, go all the way outside, you feel like, it's really bad actually perfect. It just feels uncomfortable with us. Well, first of all, Costas uses video, but he only uses video the way you just described. When you think you're doing something, but you're not doing something, I'll show you the video. And you think you've taken that outside. I'll show you the video. You're not really taking it outside.

It's not Jim Furek. It's not Matt Wolfe. It's just straight back. You think it's outside, but it's not. Yeah. And they talk about all the time, right? Like feel versus real. And you see, you know, even Tiger Backer Day doesn't do as much now.

But Tiger Back today used to take those wide, like, cut swings, you know, practice swings before. Exactly. And he's clearly not swinging like that. Like, he's just trying to feel the sensation of cutting across the ball. Exactly. He wants that feel. of fading the ball because that's his money shot. And, you know, what can I say?

Did you have fun with Tiger when you saw? Oh, I mean, it's almost hard to say if we had fun or not because we were just so nervous. I think, like, we have more fun talking about it after because in the moment, like, it was cool, but it was also, it was like, this could make or break our entire lives. There's cameras there. Are we going to blow it? Like, we tried to blow it. It was crazy.

I knew I know I was there because there's video of it. But I remember very little of it because you're just so nervous and stressed out about it. But from the video, it clearly looks like our brains melted, but it was great to obviously meet Tiger. Yeah. I'll tell you, if you're, I've always felt this. I met Tiger when he was first coming out. In fact, the first time we met, it was right before his first first. U.S. Open Championship, and not when he won it, but he played at Chinnacock in Long Island,

and somehow a friend of mine was able to get a practice round with me and Tiger and his father at the course next door, which was National, which is another great club. And Tiger came over. He had never seen National before, and it was a McDonald course that was set up with all the great whole nationals, all the great holes from Scotland that McDonald used to play, knew about when he was when he was born and raised in Scotland. And Tiger had never seen it. There are all kinds of blind shots. He shot five under on the first nine and pulled his driver out once. And even the members who were following said, he's made the course obsolete. So what can I tell you? I mean, we played with him and his father. And at that time, the late Terry McBride, who was the

who was the club champion at National. It was a great time. That was the first time I met him. And then I met him. Again, we played a practice round before one of the AT&T championships with Kevin Costner. We had a lot of fun there. And I run into Tiger periodically. You know, and everybody, you know, everybody talks about Tiger about, you know,

he has this kind of aloof quality to him. And he was, you know, he's kind of separated and things. I'll tell you a story. the year in 2000 when I made the U.S. senior amateur. And it was the same year the Tiger had won three straight majors and was on his way to the fourth. And I played in the pro am at the Disney, which he was playing. And I wanted to say to him, because at that time we knew each other,

I walked over, I said, Tiger, I got to congratulate you. Oh, Maury, how are you? Isn't it great? You made the U.S. Senior Am? I said, what? you're worried about me making the senior am and I'm going over to you to congratulate you on holding three majors at one time. So from that moment on, I mean, nobody could dissuade me for any kind of criticism of Tiger Woods. Man, that is so awesome.

I can't believe. And I will say, I'm always surprised a lot. Like, you know, we watch all of his press conferences pre-tournament when you get like a full half hour with him. And they'll ask him some questions about, you know, in this Asian amateur, this is coming up. And he knows. Like he's very plugged in to golf news and what's going on. So, like, that story is like, you're right. He's winning three majors.

He could easily be like, who the hell are you? Like, what's going on here? Yeah. It's congratulating me on making a USC in your amateur. Are you kidding? It's amazing. I would say, like, another story, too, when I listened to the audio book of Shudog, which is like Phil Knight's book. And he, towards the end, he goes into some of the stories from some of the bigger athletes he's worked for.

He talks about, obviously, the horrible situation when his son passed away. And he goes on to say, like, the next morning after it was kind of news that that had occurred, like, the first person to reach out was Tiger Woods. And he goes on, Phil Knight goes on to say that, like, I will never stand for somebody saying a bad word about Tiger Woods. So it's just really cool to get these types of stories. Because, like you said, he could, I mean, he's Tiger Woods. He's on this crazy pedestal. Yeah, and, you know, I'm like so many.

I mean, I try to watch every shot. I mean, when he's in a tournament, everybody says, well, they show Tiger Woods so much. I go, why don't you show him more for crying out loud? Why don't you show him lining up a putt for crying out loud? Why do you just go to him when he's funny? I want to see everything. I want to know exactly how he's thinking.

That's been our thing forever. Yes, we're like, we'll watch him go to the grocery store. We'll watch him wash his car. Show as much Tiger Woods as you possibly can. You can't get enough Tiger Woods. He's the best. Yeah. Like, PJ Tour Live is cool.

I would pay another $100 a year, whatever it is, just for Tiger Camp. Like, don't cut away. Don't, I want to see him going, like, when he goes into the Porter Potty, you don't have to show him in the Porter Potty, but, like, when he walks to it and he walks back, like, keep that fucking camera on that guy. It's all I want to walk. Yeah. That's why I love the fact that Augusta this year, you are able to pick out individual

players and see every single shot they hit. And that's the first time, which by the way, I believe, and so does Kossis believe, that's the way golf is going to go. It's going to be individual players because the next step in pro golf is gambling. And when you gamble, you want to see your player, if you bet on them, you want to see them hit every shot. And you want to play, if you're betting that player against another player, you're going to want to see the other player. And that's all you're going to want to see. And I think, I think golf knows that. I think too, like it's very obvious golf benefits from sports betting almost more than any other sport because like you're saying, like, there's, you know, 150 whatever players in a field and a lot of them are not relatable. They're just

like cooking cutter. They all look like each other. They talk like each other. And so then if you find a reason to pull for somebody over another person, all of a sudden you're glued in. It can be closest to the pin. It could be whatever like you're saying. But Augusta just does it right. And with being able to watch wherever you want. We were doing it all week and long with our new basketball, the app, with the gambling in Pennsylvania, and it is game-changing to have that.

But you're right. Like, you have to be able to watch the guys that you bet on. Otherwise, it doesn't work. And especially you, I mean, obviously now, you have many people on the tour because you've interviewed them, been around. I mean, you want to watch Kisner, don't you, every time he plays?

Yep, every shot. And we never can. Yeah, you will be. The Augusta experience will be around the country. As soon as the entire golf betting portal comes in, they're going to have to show every player. So talk to me a little bit about Augusta. I know you've had to have gotten on Augusta at some point.

Yeah, I've played Augusta, you know, I'm going to say maybe five or six times. I'm not going to say it's the best course that I've ever played. Quite frankly, I enjoy Shinnecock in terms of golf more than any other course, I think. But this is the unique quality of Augusta. If the object of the game is to get as close to the hole as you can, the closer you get to the holes at Augusta, the more scared you are. I'm just scared.

I mean, if I have a chip shot at Augusta, oh, my Lord. Oh, my Lord. If I have a 30-foot put at Augusta, if I have a four-foot putt above the hole at Augusta, oh, my Lord. Oh, my God. So. Isn't that the beauty of it, though? I mean, clearly I can tell you're a little bit of an architecture guy. You're talking about CB McDonald at National, and I was reading that you get out to the old course whenever you can.

So, like, that is kind of the beauty of it, right? Like, it's not crazy off the tee, but the closer you get to that hole, you're going to find your ball. You'll be able to play your ball. But the closer you get to that hole, we've talked about it. We've had debates. If somebody just started us on the greening regulation, what would we actually shoot at Augusta? Right. I mean, and it really shows up on the par fives, particularly on the back at 13 and 15. You put that third shot or second shot on the wrong side of the whole. You can't two put. You just cannot two put. And so to me, it was remarkable what Cameron Smith was doing in terms of chipping and putting the ball on that final round on some of the holes he got to.

I mean, what he did on 15 on his, I mean, it was remarkable. I mean, you just can't do that. These guys are so good. I mean, it's, they're really good. They are really good. They say that golf is 90% mental. we're talking about that right now with our very good friend, which means that even the smallest issues can have a big impact on your scorecard.

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I mean, I know, like you said, you're 50, 60s, you're making these turnips. I looked at my handicap. I'm a 4.1. I don't know if I can play to it. Definitely can't play to it in the winter. I was briefly, 20 years ago, I was briefly scratch.

I carried a one or a two for a long time. but I've got to play it forward now. And I, and I, for all of us who are older, and when I, I mean, you know, shoot, I don't give a shit. I'm 81 years old. And so when you get this, I mean, I love to play 62, 6300-yard courses now. I can't play, I can't play, I can't play, if I play a 6,600-yard course, I mean, I'm hitting, I'm hitting rescues and woods into 435, 40-yard par fours. I mean, you know, I mean, I fly it maybe 215, 2.20.

Maybe it rolls to 230, 2.35. I mean, that's what I'm hitting it. Nothing wrong with that. You're hitting it straight and you can play some golf. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, you're going to love Whisper Rock when you go out. Oh, I'm so excited. So I'm getting out there Saturday.

We're recording this on Thursday. So for anybody who were, I'm getting out Saturday first time. I've heard so much about it. It's almost been like, you know, people have been teasing me with it for years now. So I'm, I didn't realize you're like founding member, you said? Yeah, yeah. Greg Trius, it's very interesting. It always happens.

Costas moved out to Arizona when he and McCord started their school at Greyhawk about 25 years ago. And they, so I used to go out there and a man named Greg Trias own Greyhawk. And when I went to Greyhawk, Greyhawk now has. I mean, it is so big the development. They have their own school system. They have their own hospital. I mean, it's remarkable. When I went out there, it was a trailer.

And Greg Trias had this unbelievable vision of building this in not only 36 holes of golf, but this whole community. And then he decided to go farther out in Scottsdale and build this course called Whisper Rock. And what he wanted to do was to get 500 people out there. that really love the game of golf, and more than that, love being with each other. And that's the best part of Whisper Rock, is the hang. Everybody hangs out at the same place. It's great.

The average handicap at Whisper Rock, I would say is probably less than seven of the 500 people who belong. And it's to the point where I have known amateur golfers there in the club championship, one year in the club championship, the U.S. Open defending champion was Jeff Ogilvie, who was a member of Whisper Rock, and he lost to one of the amateur members of the club. In the club championship.

So, I mean, I know you guys know about golf. For instance, Colt Nose and Drew Stoltz. They have their members of Whisper Rock. They're there. You got to go see him. Drew Stoltz is one of the great amateur golf. is going. I mean, he's won the club championship. I think it was Sparok several times. And, and Colt, of course, was a great player on the PGA tour. I mean, we got some crazy guys.

And by the way, all kinds of athletes, huge amount of athletes. I mean, Larry Fitzgerald's a member there, all the football players out in Arizona, baseball players, basketball players, Vinnie Del Negrow, the old basketball player and coach. I mean, there's a lot going on. there. I got to get into this club more. I got to get into this club. We'll see. We'll see what Trius has to say. But they got to pay you enough. They got to pay you enough at Barstool. I mean, come on. Well, I know. We'll figure that out. Hey, guys. I mean, look, everybody's got to know this. I mean, Riggs went to Harvard. I mean, if he's not making money, who is?

You're the biggest fan in the world. This is, this is, these guys, pre-show story, we're like, he's going to roast you and you're just pumping my tired. No, I can't do that. When the, when the video came out of you talking about rig swing, I think I said, it feels like I'm living in an alternate universe. I mean, you're Mori Povich. You're a legend. You're a TV legend.

And now you've entered our world through Riggs's swing. It's really something. Yeah, but you had to. I mean, you know, you were thought you were drawn to an inside straight with that back swing. Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. Good stuff. Frankie likes that one. He needed that big time. So you mentioned earlier, you're 81 years old. You're sitting in front of your logo right here.

How long are you going to do this? I ask NBC that all the time. They own my show. And I have a, this is the first year of the two-year contract. I don't know how long. I don't know. I don't know. All I know is they told me that I broke the record. I am the longest running daytime TV talk show host in history. And I said, well, I really, that doesn't really make me feel good. It makes me feel old. Fuck, it doesn't make me feel good. So I want, you know, I want to be a rookie.

Yeah, they're telling you that like, congratulations. You're like, why the hell did you just tell me that? Yeah, and when are you getting out of here? I mean, you know, when are you going to assisted living? I'm with the shit. Well, what's it been since like 91 or something like that? 91. Yeah, it's 30 years.

30 years. Yeah. I mean, are you able to get out and play enough golf with this with everything going on? Trust me. That's the greatest thing about this show, right? I do 125 shows a year. I don't, I'm finished probably around April every year and I don't come back till August. I will, you know, there are a few tournaments I still plan.

So all of a sudden during like November sweeps, I said, well, we're not working this week. What do you mean we're not working? It's sweeps. I said, yeah, but there's this tournament. You know, they said, we start this show in September. I said, no, no, no, I'm going to play in the Dunhill links at the old course. You got to wait for that. That's great. I mean, you got it figured out. You do paternity tests and golf. That's what he does. Hey, you could do it on my ticket, right? Not anybody else's when I feel like doing the paternity test we'll do.

How great is the Dunhill Lakes? I don't think enough people in the States know about that tournament. Well, I'll tell you, I've played in the AT&T several years. I mean, you can't beat, you know, Pebble and Spyglass and now Monterey Peninsula. I mean, three really great courses. But I must say. If you do the old course at St. Andrews and Carnusti and Kings Barnes, boy, I mean, to me, that's the greatest three course rotation there is. And I've played it about three times.

And it's great. And one of the great things about it is for that week, you can just go over to the practice range, which is right off the second and third hole of the old course, and you can warm up for a half an hour, and then just walk 50 yards and start playing. It's the hardest course in the world to get on. You just walk around the second fairway and just throw your clubs down, and here we go, baby. It's so, it's amazing that they have that rotation. It's like that place, you know, I went over and I did a lot of the first come, first serve, so I just got in line at like 3 a.m. Oh, you got in the lottery, right.

Yeah, the lottery. Because, yeah, I think they do like first 16 are guaranteed to get in. So you can risk it as much as you want. You can go at midnight. You can go at 4 a.m. I think the starter comes at like 6.30, and I got on both facts. So I'll tell you this. Next time you go over, you let me know, I have a great caddy at St. Andrews.

See, I get very. very, I have a very intimate feeling towards caddies. So I have a great caddy at St. Andrews, and he can go into the lottery and get you on, okay? So let me know about that. But secondly, let me tell you about caddies. I, my father grew up, was born and raised in Bar Harbor, Maine, this little island down east of Maine, of course, which is a national park now. And he was a townie kid. And he caddied at Kibo Valley, which was the course that was built by millionaires back then, the Rockefellers and the Vanderbiltz and the Morgans and all those people. And he's caddying one day.

And he's a little hot. He wants to go swimming. He's about to leave. And the caddy master says, no, you got a caddy for this man, Shirley. His name was Shirley. And he caddy for this guy. And he did such a good job that the man said, I want you to catty for me every day. this summer. And so he caddied for him every summer for three summers. And then this man went

to my grandmother and said, I want to take your son with me to Washington, D.C. I own my own golf course and I will give him a job at my newspaper, The Washington Post. And my father ended up as a sports columnist for the Washington Post for 75 years. And it's all because of caddies. That's incredible. ball. Wow. No wonder you love Caddies so much. I love Caddies. I just do. I have so much. I mean, I just have a connection. I just feel it. I mean, it's just, and it goes back to my dad. And it's always a great experience. First of all, caddies can tell you so much, not only about the course, but about the whole feeling of where you are, the history of the course. It's great.

it's funny man like we come you know like us we none of us grew up at a country club and we just played as many munis and public traction you possibly could so none of us ever had any caddy experiences um frankie was a caddy and he actually got choked out by a guy named the judge at uh really where were you a caddy frankie where were you a garden city golf club on long island the garden city men's club yeah yeah wow so it was great that's a great place Oh, that is a great place. It's the only course, a club I know where if you go through the lobby, you have to have a jacket on. Jacket on, yep.

Even if you're wearing shorts, you've got to have a jacket on. I don't like that. No phones allowed. You have to wear a jacket. And actually, I tell a story about when, you know, I was like 15, 16 years old. I only spent two summers there. And, you know, I was 15 years old. And I was grabbing a bag out of one of the guests cars.

He opens his trunk and he gets there. He's all nervous to play the men's club. and he looks inside his dry cleaning and he was hanging in the back and he had his wife's coat instead of his he didn't pack the right one

but luckily enough he actually wore it in it was like double breast whatever the difference I'd be and he wore it through because he couldn't get into the clubhouse they wouldn't they won't let you in without a blazer if you try I don't care who what kind of member you are how long you've been there you have to have a blazer

you can't take your phone out it was pretty cool to see people writing like phone numbers on napkins with pencils as opposed to just taking out their phone and stuff. Like it's, it's a place that just isn't, it's just not in the 21st century. It's just completely, completely old school. It's one of the few, maybe the only club I know of that had markers to show you where the pot bunkers were in the fairways, which is remarkable. Nobody does that.

Totally. Yeah. Nobody puts direction rods in front of a pot bunker. The bunkers are absolutely insane. I just was there for the first time. I'm not kidding, in like 10 years, two days ago to go film something. We do this like behind the scenes video on the maintenance crew, and they were doing this dry jet onto the green

and getting the greens all ready for the winter. And they had just done a restoration since I had been there. They probably did a restoration like 70 years ago or something like that. And I couldn't believe how deep these bunkers were. I didn't remember them. I'm like, how do the members like accept this? I mean, Riggs and Trent, they haven't been there. It is mind-blowing how deep the bunkers are at Garden City Men's Club.

I don't think I've ever seen anything similar. Yeah. And all the golf we've played across the world, there's nothing even similar. Right. And although he didn't design it, Walter Travis was one of the great members there, and I think he had a lot to do with those bunkers. Because I belong to a club in New Jersey called Hollywood, and he was the original designer of that club.

And, you know, it's, you know, the Mets section in the U.S. I've been living in New York for, I don't know, 30 some years. And I guarantee you there are 20 clubs I haven't played, which are great clubs. And I've played a lot of golf in New York's in the New York area. Yeah, there's so much golf out there. But yeah, caddies are so, so great. And it's become so kind of synonymous for us with a lot of the different, especially like resorts that we've gone to, you know, like we've got Hanky, Panky and Mikey

at like Aaron Hills that like anytime we go there that's synonymous with our experience. We got Dylan and Rylund up at Cabot that are like our guys. Whenever we think of Cabot, we think of that. We got Thomas and Logan down at Pinehurst who like help us to victory and our match against kids. So it's like, again, like guys like us that didn't, we just never even would have imagined we'd be able to play golf with a caddy. And now that we're kind of in this position where we get to know these caddies and they are such a part of the golf experience. Right. It's incredible.

Did you like Cabot? Cabot's fantastic. Cabot is up there for me. Yeah, I think the Cliffs course, you know, I love Court Crenshaw, and obviously I love views. So you give those guys that type of land and it's amazing. Yeah. Have you been out to Bandon? I've done Bandon twice. And I mean, yeah, now we're just like it's hard to talk about, you know, Pioneers Cabot Bandon and decides one's better than which, but they're all so good. Well, I just played a few. months. I played the sheep ranch, which is the new core Crenshaw course. Spectacular. Best views of all the courses there. Yeah, no bunkers because it's so windy. No bunkers. I know. Isn't that great?

I mean, as I get older, my bunker game isn't as good as it used to be. It's very interesting. And I don't know if this is with everybody as we get older. I'd say the biggest problem as I get older is my short game. it's not my full swing. It's my short game. I don't know. I don't know whether there's hand-eye coordination. I don't know what it is, but I have to work very hard on my short game. Well, look, we got to get out and play at some point. We've got to exchange information. We've got to get out and play. And we know you're a busy man. You know, you've got to, you know, bringing families together and play as much golf as you possibly can. So let's talk some golf again soon. We've got to have you back on the show.

and get into it because we know you love it. Oh, that's great. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. All right, Lord. All right. Thanks so much. I appreciate it.

Talk soon. Bye-bye.