Fore Play - Max Homa, Roaster of Swings

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

Max Homa (16:16) joins the show for the first time. The PGA Tour winner & prolific twitter user discusses — during what was supposed to be his first ever Masters week — the revised 2020 golf schedule, a November Masters, roasting people’s swings online, meeting Tiger Woods on the driving range, and a whole lot more. A top interview in Fore Play history!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Huge show. We've got a big show. There's obviously a lot of news happening here in the golf world with the new schedule. And we have one of our best guests we'd ever had. I would say Max Homa, who is kind of skyrocketing in the golf world star power game. He obviously won last year, the Wells Fargo. He kind of chirps Frankie about winning that. say like let's make sure we say the max homo won a golf tournament on the pga tour because you don't want to say oh you're getting famous from tweeting and your social media and stuff because he doesn't he'll come right at you

and he'll use his twitter fingers right verbally right in your face and they're like well actually i won a golf tournament and i'm sick at golf it's not just because i don't know how to use twitter you idiot so we talk with max i told him we go like 45 minutes and it was like an hour and 15 or an hour and 20 minutes where we just shot the shit we talked about him being a huge Tiger fan, Tiger coming up to him on the range after he won. The fact that this is supposed to be his first master's week ever, he's never played Augusta National. He talked about how he was supposed to play, then it closed down, talks about being at the Players' Championship, which was his first one ever, playing the first round, and then it getting canceled.

He roast us, he chirps our swings. He talks all about becoming the guy that chirps everyone swings on Twitter, and old hugsy. We talk about old hugsy getting into it. There's just, I mean, it's an hour and 20 minutes. So there's stories. There's a lot of jokes. There's a lot of laughs. It's,

I mean, honestly, I was probably one of the best interviews you've ever done. Absolutely. Yeah, super laid back. He's the man.

So he's a Cali guy. And we're going to talk really quickly, just briefly about the new schedule, because it's, I mean, it's all the news that there is, the biggest news to talk about in golf in a long time, and especially during this whole thing.

And then we're going to get right into Max, because like I said, we talked to him for like an hour and 20 minutes. Joint kind of released today. from all of the golf governing bodies, I put a tweet out just kind of saying that it's amazing and impressive that all these groups, PGA tour, PGA of America, Augusta National, the USGA, the RNA, all came together

and put together really their best version of a revised schedule. And that is not easy. I mean, you've got these guys go at each other all the time, not necessarily at each other, but, you know, like they want to be bigger. The Masters wants to be bigger than the OSOP. The OSOPOBA wants to be bigger than the Open. They all, the PGA tour and how they've got the most events.

And they're all kind of like fighting for their piece of the pie while also working together. Well, in this situation, global pandemic, they all got to work together. And most, I mean, even in the government level, like, you just don't see it. You see people bickering and like how it just doesn't work. And all of a sudden they were able to come out. They kind of went mostly silent, it feels like, for a couple weeks. And nobody really knew. And then boom, they pop up.

And we got all these announcements at the same time. The PGA championship is now scheduled to be August 3rd through the 9th. 9th at Harding Park. The U.S. Open is now scheduled to be September 14th through the 20th at Wingfoot. The Ryder Cup is staying the same date. So the next week, which would be September 22nd through the 27th at Whistling Straits. The Masters is now scheduled to be Mass November 9th through the 15th, obviously at Augusta National. The Open Championship is canceled, really kind of postponed a year because they're not changing venues. They're not like scrapping Royal St. George's, which is outside of London, but they're, I think it's like an hour.

outside of London. I don't really know that for sure. That could just be wrong. But they're basically pushing it to next year. And then the Open at San Andrews, which is supposed to be the big celebration of 150th playing of the Open championship, British Open, is going to be in 2022. And then the PGA tour is kind of sprinkling it. I think they said they're going to start up in June with no fans. They're going to play a couple of the playoff events. That's kind of where we're at. Pretty crazy. The open post-cancelling and not just trying to squeeze it in is like one of those like Kentucky Derby always runs every year.

Like the, I always think of like the open and the RNA and all these things as like that is old school guys in top hats showing up to the house at the greatest game ever played being like you are not allowed to play this game like shit like that. Like that's to me is like who gives a fuck about like I think that they are like what virus. Like we are golf. Like we have the waves and shit like that. You do have to put it in perspective of like now when we're hearing about this where we've been that last couple of weeks.

Like it's not unexpected. Like it's now, okay, yeah, they're going to cancel the open championship because of all this crazy shit. But if like two months ago you were like, oh, by the way, in 2020 there's not going to be an open championship, that's the craziest thing you've ever heard. We could say about anything. Obviously, like the Masters being in November all this stuff. But like the open is like one of those like they'll play.

in a world war. Like, I don't know what. I just think of like cobblestone roads and shit like that. I don't think of, I don't know. It's just, it's all just hitting me because it was such a joint conference that like everyone's now postponing canceling. It's like, holy shit. To that point, the British Open has only been canceled four times in its entire history. The first time, there was no trophy available because young Tom Morris wouldn't return it.

World War I, World War II, and COVID-19. Those are the only four times in the history of the event that it's been canceled. So just think about that and kind of the gravity of it. And what we're going through is, I don't know, it's wild, something you've never really expect. And then there's also, if you read some of the articles, there's a big insurance policy that they have with the British Open where, I mean, it's in their contract. to, you know, if they have to cancel it, there's like a legit global pandemic clause in their contract with insurance. So they can basically claim that they're canceling it, get the insurance so that they don't lose a ton of money, and then just push everything back a year. So it sounds like

when you factor in the weather too, we all know that like that's what the British Open is famous for is how shitty the weather can be. And they play that during the months in the summer when it's the best weather that they have. So like trying to play that puppy and fit it in. And, you know, November or October or whatever, along with the insurance, along with the fact that they have that option to just basically push everything back a year. It makes sense on their, you know, from their standpoint. And I doubt that they wanted to cancel it, but I guess they had to. We're going to get a-j tour. The BJ tour saying they'll be back in mid-June, even with no fans, seems wildly optimistic, I will say. Like, I want it to happen and I know nobody knows where this is

going. And maybe they could pull it off and no fans because golf is. a smaller field. It's not everybody touching each other and it is possible. But the way we are now, what, two, you think two months from now? People are going to be like, all right, yeah, let's go play a professional golf tournament. I don't know. Yeah, I do. Okay. I mean, I get what you're saying, but two months, it's like, two months feels like, like, and you got to take this with a grain of salt, and I'm not trying to get into like, but we're all watching a ton of more news now, obviously. And it sounds like China is like for the most part in a lot of ways like coming back and like they've opened a lot of stuff and like they've had little setbacks where they've had to close stuff after like

thinking they I think like movie theaters is one of them where like they thought they could open them they open them for a couple days and they're like nope we had to close them down um and that's you know the whole thing freaking started there in like December and now it's whatever three or four months later so like it gives me it gives me hope that if they do it because of all the characteristics of golf like we said it's not a contact sport they can if we have mass testing by that by that point which hopefully we should that like they could be able to play without fans do that for a month or two and then slowly start to build up so i think it's possible i'd put it at like 50 50 i don't think it's like a lot but i'd say it seems doable no fans thing is for me i don't know how they're going to

explain to the country like hey we're going to go play this game and everyone's going to come stockpiling into all these golf courses all these stadiums you're going to all these concerts like You can't shut down local businesses and all these. And you can't shut down the country for months upon months, have people on unemployment and all this shit and be like, oh, no, like, but then you can come to this, like, you can come to this golf course and all stand on top of each other in two or three months.

And we can all watch a game and act like everything's normal. Like I feel like the non-fans is going to be for a long time. Like I would almost argue like till next calendar year. See, I think, yeah, I mean, nobody knows, right? Like, it's just such an extreme. Like, I can't even go. to the store right now. And then I can't, like, imagine being in an 80,000 person football stadium.

Like, I just can't, I don't know. I just can't, like, fat. And there's, and there's, like, you can tell in their phrasing and their press releases that, like, it's like, we're targeting these dates, right? They're not, yeah, it's going to be this. They're putting, like, this is when we're hoping to do it. And nobody fucking knows, like anything can help. But the prospect of, like, everything's stacking up, like we said, I mean, even a U.S.

Open in September, the week before the, Rider Cup in New York like in New York right like we all remember after you know like after 9-11 and President Bush throwing out that first pitch and then even they were in 20 in 2002 you know they had the US open at Beth page which like they were still talking about how it was less than a year removed from September 11th and like there were still kind of those narratives of like the country like coming together and and and everybody like emerging from this horrible time and these horrible events and like the thought of that you know new york is literally the epicenter we're looking at trent who is in the epicenter of the entire global pandemic right now and having like the world

emerging hopefully uh the world emerging from this awful awful time and being able to celebrate with the united states open golf championship at wing foot right up the street uh right like five minute drive away from new rachel which was like the first area of the country that had the national guard and was on lockdown because of how bad things were it's not a lock that it's going to be fine, but the prospect of having that as kind of a launch pad of like getting us back to normalcy would be really fucking cool.

Yeah, I think that's the right way to look at it. A little bit of hope. Maybe it's false hope. Like you said, Riggs, nobody knows. But that's better than the way I was sort of looking at it a little bit ago where it's like June, mid-June, no fans even, PJ Tour seems optimistic. But it's nice to finally have some sort of quote-unquote concrete dates

where like, all right, this is where things might slowly start get back to normal. Totally. And look, it's, it's not a done deal. There's a reason they put in their little press releases that these are target dates, these are hopeful dates, whatever you want to say. And then the Masters, you know, we've got, the Masters is November 9th through the 15th. Never am I wildest dreams when we plan the Barstall Classic championship and we go through all these different conflicts, what could it be up against? Did I think that we would be conflicted with the master's tournament. I just would have never guessed that.

It's the exact same weekend. I don't know what we're going to do about that. But in terms of talking about the master's in November, we talk about it with Max, who knows a lot more about it than we do, and it's probably a more interesting conversation. So I don't know that we need to have that twice. I think it'd probably be better to just save it for our conversation with Max,

real quick before we get into that interview, I played golf this weekend, and I just want to give a shout to the guys I played with because I have never experienced something like this where I shot a 78 this weekend. I shot a 78 a couple days ago, and I just want to keep talking about it. And when I got off the golf course, you know, the guys who I played with, they knew what I shot because I had won the match. And the guys behind us were friends.

And obviously we had all social distancing. So we waited for the groups. We all walked to our cars, you know, six feet apart. No one was shaking hands, whatever. We were all on our way. And no one was asking me what I golf. No one asked what I shot. Oh, golf.

I used the word golf too. And that was a thing. And would you golf? They're like, what are you, like, imbecile who says, what did I golf? Like, what is that? What does that mean? It's more of that argument. That was the whole thing.

But not one person asked what I shot. And I thought that that was horrendous. I'm like, so we're all in our cars, putting our clubs away. And I just blurt it out. Well, yeah, I shot a 78 today. Does anyone care? Does anyone care? Not one person here?

Eight people. Not one person asked me how I golf that day. Shot, whatever, golf, how I golf. How did I do? do however you want to say it. Not one person out of eight people said, hey, Frankie, what did you shoot today? I had to go out and say, well, hey, hey guys, before you guys leave, I have an announcement here. I shot 78 and I was lights out and I was a stick. I didn't miss a green all day. Someone going to give me anything. And then the whole debate got it. It's like, well, who cares what you

shot? It's like, whatever. You won the map. It doesn't matter. It's like, that's all the, that's the only reason we play the game. It's to say, like, that's what I shot. That's the reason I play. I don't play for myself. I play, so I let you know, hey, this is, is what I did. It's all about what people care about you. That's like what Instagram is, Twitter. It's all social like acknowledgement. Hey, I wanted to let you guys know I shot 78. All right. Hey, hey Frankie. Uh, congrats on the 78. Thank you. I mean, it's crazy. It's great. That's great playing. And we get more into that too with, um, with Max. So he weighs in on how you shot 78 hitting every single green. So there's plenty to talk about. Uh,

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You probably know him significantly more likely for becoming the brand of the guy who just roast everyone's swing on Twitter. Max Homa, welcome to the show for the first time. I can't believe you've actually never had you on before. Yeah, what an honor, man. Long-time listener. Thanks for having me.

Like we were saying before, I was supposed to be playing my first practice round at Augusta today for the Masters. I get to be here with you guys instead. Dude, that is lucky man. That is so awful. That might be the biggest fall that I've heard yet, you know? So you, right, obviously you win the Wells Fargo last year.

You get everything that comes along with it. This is supposed to be your first master's week, something you look forward to, work towards your entire life. Have you played before? Were you able to get out at some point in the last like six months or what? Or a practice round leading up to it or what? I literally was supposed to play the day they closed.

The Monday after the Players' Championship, I had Finagle getting my caddy to be able to play with me, which is difficult. We're not allowed to guess, and we're stoked to go, obviously. And, yeah, all of a sudden, the players gets canceled. We obviously decide we shouldn't go. Then they shut down Augusta all in like a little 36-hour window.

So, no, man, I haven't done anything. That's awful. We've got like, I know, obviously you do get a grip. You do the podcast with Shane Bacon. We've had bacon on the show before. It's probably been a couple of years now. But so you're, you know, you're out there. You're talking about stuff.

You're obviously becoming like one of the more media savvy professional golfers. And we happen to have you on a day where legit an hour ago, the dominoes or all kind of, well, the dominoes fell, whatever, three, four weeks ago. And now we've got kind of the first. version of a revised schedule. At least it doesn't sound like your first master's ever will be canceled. Isn't that it going to be weird as hell that your first master's ever will be mid-November? It's so weird, man, because I'm obviously very glad it's not canceled. I also, it's hard to say

it's even going to happen. I mean, everything's just changing so quickly. But I was actually talking to bacon about it yesterday on that Get a Grip, Grip podcast that. you always picture playing your master's in April where it's green and, you know, it's warm. And now all of a sudden it's changed. And I'm not complaining. I play the masters on the moon if they let me. But at the same time, it's kind of motivating to getting that top 50 in the world and playing it in its original date in April, like the following year. But I guess it'll be kind of cool.

I can tell my grandkids if I'm lucky enough to, uh, trick someone into having kids with me that, you know, I played in probably the only masters in November where it's going to be like Bermuda and Brown and completely different than the other ones. Yeah, it's, you know, we were talking with, what, two weeks ago we had kids on and we were talking with kids about, you know, he's from Aiken, which is 25 minutes away from Augusta and like, could they even do it? He said November would be the most likely case. So, I mean, all this preparation, like you said, you plan for it forever to play a certain way, all the shots. I mean, they hosted the same freaking week every year for 80, whatever,

however many years have been. And now it's just going to be a completely different time of year. Like, there's a cool part to that. Then there's also kind of, I mean, you're going to be playing something that's never been played before. Yeah, I wonder if on that Tiger Woods video game where you can play Augusta, if you can switch the date to November and it can be like a little more brown and it'll play way longer. So I can kind of get some sort of vibe on, on, you know, maybe all these par fives aren't going to be reachable anymore. I mean, 15 is going to be a pain. I'm assuming. But yeah, it will be cool just because, I mean, listen, it's the masters.

It's cool as can be. It's still going to be awesome. I'm sure they have the subway. They could probably make it look however they want. But it will be obviously playing quite different when it's, I think Rory posted this morning last year's temperatures where, you know, in the 40s, low 50s. So that'll make it a little more challenging. But like I said, I played on the moon if they let me.

I think prior to this, if you tried to change the aspects of Augusta in the video game, you get a phone call from like the FBI. Like if you went into settings, like your phone would just like combust and like your PlayStation would just go on fire. Because I mean, you're not allowed to do anything at Augusta. We went there, obviously, I mean, I don't want to brag. I mean, the only guy who hasn't. You know, we've been there.

You know, we've been there before and, you know, I've seen the grounds and it's, it's, it's pristine. Everything's perfectly green. And now, like you said, it's going to be brown. It's going to be orange. And it's going to be just like, it's going to be a whole new world. And I hope they go fully into that. world. We talked about a little bit last month when there was like rumors about it being in the fall.

And we said, are they going to try and make it like that little piece of springtime in November? Are they going to try and make it like as green as possible with azaleas, like, as blooming and all that stuff? Or are they going to go full on just like, you know, the leaves are coming across the T-box and there's like, you know, all that foliage and all that stuff. So I hope they go fully in. I want to see like pumpkins out there. I want to see the whole thing. I want fully a fall master's. I went to a wedding. Luke List got married in Augusta a few years ago, and we played Augusta Country Club, which is right, backs up to Amen Corner at Augusta National. And it was raining when we played. And the course is awesome, but it's brown and, you know, pumpkins everywhere, obviously, Frankie. And it's kind of muddy and it's like slushy, whatever. So on nine at Augusta Country Club, there's a fence. And right behind the fence is the 12th green at Augusta National. And I don't tell any.

but I kind of climbed the fence so I could see Augusta National for the first time. And it was, it looked like it was the master's as green as can be. I mean, it's raining where we were and it didn't even look like it was raining there. So I'm pretty sure of the West National. Like, golf course.

Your secret safe with us. Nobody will ever know that. No, no, I do. I die these guys. I see comments on Instagram and sometimes I can't help but just respond. Where people are like,

all the trees are going to be dead at Augusta and the weather. I'm like, do you know who you're dealing with here? Yeah. What do you mean the trees are going to be dead? The trees are like this. This is the most powerful people engulfed by a mile. They control the weather.

They'll make a phone call. Right. It's like you're saying, and like Bruce Almighty, when he's standing and there's just like a little circle where it's just raining on him and he moves like five feet left in it, right? I mean, that's, they'll be fine.

It'll be like 72 and sunny. There'll be flowers. It'll be pumpkins or wherever that they want. So like I said, we've talked to kids. We've talked to Matthew Fitzpatrick, kind of about the whole experience, playing the players championship. with everything going on.

Like what, what was it like you as a player kind of as this whole thing? Because there was a phase. There was like, I feel like a week long kind of transition in the whole country where everything was fine on like Saturday. And then by, you know,

Monday or Tuesday, it was like NBA canceled, March Madness canceled all or postponed or whatever. And then that Thursday, the player's championship was happening. So like, was it, Did it, were you able to kind of prepare normally and play normally?

Were you thinking the whole time like, this isn't happening? Like, what, I mean, what was it like? Yeah, it was weird. So kind of started in Bay Hill for me because they had kind of messaged us and said, hey, you know, this coronavirus is getting a little bit more intense. Maybe, you know, if you're going to sign autographs, sign them with your own pen. And I was like, okay, cool, not a bad idea. Like don't touch as many people.

So do that. So it felt like I was kind of, you know, we kind of were prepped on it a little bit. And then, yeah, get to the next week. And I think it was Tuesday, something happened. Monday didn't think much of it. Tuesday, something happened on the news was sports. And then Wednesday, President Trump gave his speech that was a lot more enlightening about this was really a big deal. And then I think NBA canceled.

So Wednesday night was, so the prep was all the same and fine. And it was, you know, we weren't 100%. sure we're going to be playing, but, you know, I feel like we were going to finish the week at least. And then all of a sudden, yeah, we, I remember Wednesday night felt weird, like going to bed. I was staying in a house with J.T. Post and Keith Mitchell. And we, you know, watched all the stuff and we're talking about it. And we all kind of felt a little odd about going to play. And it was, you know, I wake up Thursday morning to play my first players. And it's obviously a big event. And it felt wrongs the wrong word, but it felt weird. I didn't feel like people were

going to be out there and you get out there and there's tons of people. And then I was through my 11th hole, 12th hole and somebody comes up to us in the fairway, you know, I think it was a cameraman or something said, you know, fans, you know, fans won't be out here the rest of the week. And then I'm like, man, it feels really weird that we're out here at all. But I mean, I get it. We're all here already, whatever. And then finish and I played pretty good. And I'm, you know, kind of stoked about, I wasn't really in contention, obviously. I think had Ducky shot nine under. But I like was, you know, in the mix, I guess. And then all of a sudden, you know, go back. And I remember me and my wife went and picked up pizza Thursday night. And while I was in getting pizza, I walked back out to the car. And she

must have gotten a text. And she says, yeah, the players just got canceled. And I screamed the F word at the top of my lungs for some reason. I was so frustrated because I knew that all of this was now going to, you know, if PJTor cancels the players, it's a big, big deal. And it was a weird week in general but yeah once once one kind of domino fell you knew it was all going to be chaos for a while man and the golf world is just teasing the shit out of you like one round of the players gone you're supposed to play augusta the first time gone that day it is it is a testament to how fast things happened where you were like at bay hill they're like why don't you just go ahead and use your own pen thank you yeah it'll be fun then they're like a week later like the players just can't go

it was like it was like in 24 hours everything went from like okay we're We're going to be careful to, like, everybody, like, get home as fast as you can, like, take cover. And you're like, what happened? Like, this was all good, like, eight hours ago. Yeah. And look at Trent. I mean, he's a perfect example.

Like, that guy, you haven't left that, what, four square foot. We're lucky we got this penciled in because Rob's the stairs, though. Robbie's been doing interviews all morning, so I think we're good for the next, like, hour and a half. So, you got to stay there even when the quarantine's done because you'll be like the guy in the window that everyone's like, oh, yeah, there he is. I do wonder about that because when I look at my window, there's obviously apartment buildings everywhere and I wonder if people just watch me like yell at my laptop for a couple hours a day.

You might be gambling on you. Like, how many hours do you think he's going to be there today? All right. I got the over under at eight and a half hours. All right. I got the over. You're going to be like one of those like World War II like Japanese war guys that they find in one of the random islands in like 1990 who still thinks the war is going on.

That's going to be. you just the craziest thing of this whole quarantine i've or this whole coronavirus to me is like there's one actor i guess that was like taking a two-week you know isolation break and like came back from the mountains to like this like it was jared letto like imagine that it was jared letto he went on yeah like you're saying he went on a like a 14-day silent meditation retreat and he came back and he was like oh my god what is happening think about that one it's the ultimate it's the ultimate guy to go on one of those like self-isolation quarantines anyway like he just Jared letto's just so LA so actor life where everything's so just like like they've done that in movies and TV shows before

where like the billionaire young guys go out and just like in like the uh what freaking movie what show did I just watch that that happened or they couldn't get in touch with it now I'm just going to ramble on because I can't remember it no literally oh man trying to bring your setup with your hat the flag and jacket I feel like you only watch reruns of the Masters. I'm in full mass. Dude, I woke up this morning to like a bunch of texts from my buddies being like, I can't believe we're not waking up to like Masters Week right now.

And I just went around my house because I'm not back in my apartment in the city where I have most of my stuff. This is only my secondary master stuff. And I'm walking around. I'm like, I got to pull stuff together. I had my blue hat. I'd never worn before.

I had my old, I don't even wear the green corset. This one usually just sits like it with lighting on it because it's the first one I ever bought. the 2017 flag behind me. I got this, I got this glove behind me, but don't ask me who that's from because that's a,

that's a, that's a, uh, a player. Yeah, guess, Max, guess where that gloves from?

Well, foot joy, glove, uh, I don't see a signature on. Is it just a glove? Yeah, it's just,

it's just mine. It's just, uh, all right. Do you straight up just figure that out? Yeah, you did. That was,

what a process of elimination. That was awesome. It could have been any golfer in the world. You just said it was no one. Well, I mean, it doesn't look like that fresh of a glove. I know. No, I got this straight out of my bag. I'm going to wear like a new glove every other hole probably to try to look.

Yeah. But yeah, man, I'm kind of like spiraling out of control here. I'm trying to make myself. I'll probably try and get like the old Tiger Woods video game, the Masters edition. I'll try and download that. I just need my master's fix right now. I need, I need a guy.

I need Augusta right now. It's crazy. It's like this is all we look forward to all year. It's like this is the one tournament, especially Tiger coming back. This is going to be your first one. It's like, come on, Matt. Yeah, it's weird. And it's funny because you think like I like to watch golf. Obviously, you guys watch golf, but it's weird how much more I like to watch golf during the Masters. Like last year, obviously was the biggest one. But every year, even when, you know, I mean, I freaking play golf every week. But even when it was like Thursday morning last year, I'll still. set an alarm when Tiger is going to play or when people are going to tee off and I'll watch like a full day of the Masters and it's truly enjoyable. So even just not being able to like watch

live from the Masters sucks. Like even if I wasn't going to play like I feel for everybody else too. Like this is a fun. This makes golf cool for like one week a year. Dude, it's so true. Like even on like you're saying Monday night when they cut on Golf Channel when they cut for like three hours to Brandl and Duval and those guys and that little. cabin and they're talking about God knows what. They're breaking down the fucking range session of some guy you never heard of. And you're like, yeah, feed that how he's going to play like 13. You're like, yeah, dude, sure, just I want that.

And now we got not like we don't have anything. There's no backup. It's just like reruns of the Square Strike commercial. It's like, oh, you can get you. You're like, dude, this is not. I mean, Trent just watching people walk down the street. There's nobody out there. It's just a pervert in the window.

It is nice to see a little light on his face, though. It's like when you see somebody walking on the street, do you open the window and scream, hey, get inside. I want the masters to come back. That's a great idea. I might start doing that because you will see every once in a while somebody walking out there like,

what do you not read the news? Like, you're not wondering why there's nobody else out there. Get inside. I'm just picturing Trent, just like you, Max, when your wife told you the players was canceled, and you just screamed the F bomb at the top of your lungs. Just a terrible,

news happens and then Trent just opens his window and just goes, fuck! That's exactly right. Oh, my God. Max, I'm curious, do you, like, obviously you... Black mirror, that was the show. The guy, black mirror, the guy was sitting outside and the guy who had the bomb or the, or he wanted to shoot someone.

Oh, yeah, you're right. They couldn't get in touch with the freaking owner of this billion dollar company. And he's out just like in the wilderness, like on a sabbatical. And they're like, dude, you have to answer the phone because, There's a guy who's being held at gunpoint. He's like, what is happening in the world right now. So that's exactly what it was. I'm sorry.

I wouldn't have been able to go on with the show unless I remembered it. Because it was driving me fucking nuts. Yeah, way to get there, Frank. Impressed. God, thanks. Yeah, perseverance. Most guys have tried different ways to last longer, but thinking about any one of our golf swings

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You can get your first month of swipes for just five bucks when you choose a monthly plan. That is get Roman.com slash four. How much golf do you, do you ever watch coverage of tournaments you're playing to get information about what's going on? Like the course? Yeah, I've watched, like, if I have afternoon around, I'll watch the morning. the most fun day I've ever had watching golf was after I was second tea time off at Bay Hill on Saturday when it was like the hardest golf ever and I played really well on that Saturday. And I went, I basically sprinted home back to the hotel and turned on the TV and had the most enjoyable five hours of golf watching anyone's ever had. Just watching people implode knowing that I already finished. My name was only going to go up on that board. But I like to watch golf. I won't, I won't always watch before to like, figure anything out about it, but if I know the course is going to be firm, I will.

So or if there was like a weather change just to see if it is a little bit different than before. But it's hard to pick up too much unless the course is playing really difficult. I mean, if you're just watching like the travelers usually is soft and the scores are low, if you're watching that, I don't think it's good to watch because then you're just watching people make a ton of birdies and it feels intimidating. It's probably the wrong word, but something like that. Whereas, you know, if you're playing or if you're watching a major, like the U.S. open it really helps to watch the ball bouncing. You can see it's like, oh, man, on 12, you got to land

it short of the green or else it's, you know, long and screwed. So I watch a little bit during the week. It's also, I mean, there's on some level, it's got to be too much information, right? Like it's, like play your game, you know, like hit your shots, stick to your game plan. Your game plan is going to be in some way different than literally every other person in the field game plan. So it's like, on some level, it's, I'm sure it's, hey, like none of this really matters. Yeah, you gather a little bit of, okay it's a little more firm than I thought or holy shit he hit that nine iron that landed on the front and like rolled all the way off I got to remember that on that group but outside of that it's like you got to play your game yeah and also I don't know who somebody said this but they they some

professional golfer but they say you know if you're you play golf it's like four and a half hours you try not to be thinking golf for four and a half hours because you be too tired you try and do like 25 to 40 second segments you know it's like to keep it to keep your brain as fresh as possible So if you're watching the golf and grinding the golf before, then you're turning that into six hours of golf. And then it's just overload of brainpower to the game for however many, four to six days of the golf week. So that's probably also not super healthy.

But I mean, I don't have a lot else going on. So I'm going to just flip it on. Do you ever, like that's interesting, kind of like the capacity of bandwidth or, you know, like mental emotional strength to think about golf during around like do you ever after you hit a shot in competition think afterwards like man I just didn't really like I just wasn't really thinking on that or like I didn't have a like we talk all time one of our phrases we use is like I didn't have a plan like you'll have like put off the fringe right like six feet off the fringe and you just step up and put it and you hit it like

40 feet past the hole and you're like you know what I had no plan yeah I didn't know what I was doing it happens a lot at home where you're you're just like I did it the other day we were playing a game and I had like eight feet for birdie, 10 feet for birdie, and I ran it like four or five feet by. It was like a downhill put. And I forgot that I thought that birdie I had to make. And then I forgot that like we had also had a team thing going on. And then I missed it coming back and totally hose the guy on my team because I just spaced. I will say having a caddy that his financial and his finances and his lifestyle is based on your

performance, he won't really let you do that. we do have a plan like that's like his job and my job so it's a lot easier to focus when you're playing for like a million dollars and not just trying to you know impress frankie and Trent so that's a little different um but yeah there are days uh you know i've had days felt like the opposite of a million dollars which i think is the meanest thing ever kept in it yeah well that's like whatever getting a million dollars is playing in front of frankie and Trent felt felt like the meanest thing anyone could ever say well he should let's the most right now So it's all in the same very.

It's all the same. What's the equivalent? What's the most insignificant situation I could find myself in? And that would be hanging out with Frankie and John. What's the dollar amount compared to us? If it's not a million dollars, it's got to be what? Like, you owe money? Like, I don't pay money.

Whatever the price. Just saving just in case, I think, is the value. I think that's right. I think that's fair. So the Twitter stuff, you obviously, well, you've always been super active on Twitter, but I think when in the Wells Fargo, elevating your status, and then all of a sudden you start roasting people on Twitter about their swings, which is very funny. It's very, everybody knows it's not serious. I was curious if it like seeps into your conscious at all,

like when you're on the course. And a good example would be the shank in Bay Hill. You shank one, which like, whatever, that happens. And like, it is great. We can talk about this later too, but they just don't show bad shots that often in golf, which. happens all the time on the PJA tour. But are you thinking like when you when you shank that, are you thinking like right away more like oh no my score? Or are you thinking like oh no my mentions? Like how conscious are you? It's definitely the score, man. I think it's misconstrued that I care more about Twitter than I do about my group. I definitely care about. Again, it goes back to this million dollars thing, Frankie. Like it's important. But we uh yeah it was that one was funny.

I mean, there's times where, like, it'll sneak in because people will mention it. You know, if I hit a bad shot, they'll yell some about my swing or whatever. But that, that shank did not creep into my mind at all that I was going to get blown up. And right when I got off the course, somebody was doing an interview and they mentioned it. And I was like, oh, shit, like, this is going to be, this is going to be bad. I'm just thinking now, sorry. What's that? I was just thinking, I apologize.

I didn't mean that interrupt. I thought you were going to stop. But I thought you were, I would just laugh out loud as soon as you shanked it if you were like, oh no my mentions. Yeah. One of the funniest things on the planet. That'd have been on brand for the person people think I am. Yeah.

But yeah, so I, you know, it's all fun. I don't think about it really ever. But like I said, I'm with you guys. And I've mentioned it too with Bacon on our podcast that like I want more bad shots to be shown because I think it shows how hard the golf course is. and it's not that I need everybody to know how good we all are at golf and to put that in perspective. I just think that there's certain shots that you should be like, man, like a lot of people said like, you made me feel good. Like I do that all the time. And I'm like, yeah, I mean,

shoot, it happens. We hit bad shots. I've hit, I mean, not as gloriously but bad shots, but I've hit worse shots in that in my professional career, not any that I like almost killed somebody that was working, but pretty good. But I, I want more bad. I want more, and it doesn't even need to be bad. I want more balls that land like pin high and skip over into the water. That's a meet, seems like a meaningless shot. But then when you see Rory come through and he lands one front edge and hits it to 18 feet short, you're like, dang, that was a really good shot. Like, that would be better. Or if you see somebody where I was on six at May Hill and they just decide to pitch out to the left instead of trying to hit a hero shot like an actual Tiger Woods would. And they make six.

You're like, wow, that was really smart because that dumb ass kid earlier tried to hit a full blown oboedged straight up in the air and did not even close to pull it off. So that would be nice. Yeah. I mean, I think that goes to your point earlier, too, of like watching continually amazing shots over and over for you when you go home. Like, that's just exhausting. It almost deflates you.

Yeah, exactly. And like for us totally amateurs, we just think everybody's hitting these shots all the time, but that's just not the case. So it is nice to see. And it's like a friendly reminder that anybody shanks a ball, people miss, people make bad mistakes. And it's just good to see. And golf in general is a game of. of misses, that's the beauty of the game. So if you only show us making, like, hitting great

shots and making putts, it no longer is the beauty of, that's why getting to watch Tiger really is fun every week. I know people complain sometimes when he's out of contention that we see all of his shots. But the beauty of it is we get to see just one person's shots all the way through. So you're seeing average shots, you're seeing like bad shots and you're seeing obviously a lot of good shots, but you get to see a round kind of get built. And I know that that's hard to do and impossible to do for a whole broadcast, but I think it shows everybody what golf's all about. It's not about hitting every seven iron you hit to eight feet, you know, below the hole making it. There's going to be somewhere you hit it's a 40 feet and grind for par and stuff like that. So that's what I like

when the coverage can sneak some of that in because everybody can appreciate building an entire round and then a 72 whole tournament. You know, that obviously is going to have even more grind and a little bit of some mediocre to bad shots sprinkled in there. Dude, and it's what's so cool about PGA Tour Live. Yeah. Like, you'll see, you know, because a lot of times it's star studied. They're trying to do feature groups, but you'll get somebody in there that's either one of the featured guys who's not playing particularly well or the guy that's with him who's like kind of grinding around. You will see like, you'll be watching and thinking like, this guy's fucking there again or he missed another fair way.

And then they adds it up. And it's like, I shot like 73. Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck? How did he do that? And it's also like I've learned a lot of that, like Tiger has actually, he's the, he's the, greatest player of all time. And a lot of his rounds when you watch, because he is the only player, really, where you can watch every single shot he hits of every round, where you'll be,

like, most of the time, it feels like he's not playing that well. Like, you know, because he's always trying to hit these cuts. And a lot of times he'll overcut him and he's in the right fairway. And then he'll, like, come up short a lot. He never misses long. Like, he comes up short all the time. And you're like, man, Tiger's struggling there. And then he gets hot for five holes. And he posts like, 69. And you're like, oh, shit. Like, that's what golf is. And it's, you don't get that when you only watch the leaders and they only show the best shots, you just, you get like a misconception of what it is.

Well, Tiger has one of my favorite quotes of all time. It was from the Masters and it was back-to-back days. I think Thursday he shot, I might be butchering this, but I think he shot 70 or somewhere between 70 and 72. So the first day, he walks up the golf course and he does his interview and they're like, you know, Tiger, he shot whatever, 71. How do you feel?

And he was steaming mad. He's like, was the highest I could have possibly shot today. I played perfect. I played great and I, you know, I turned into a 71. The very next day, same thing. Shoot 71 again. Does his interview and they said 71 tiger, how do you feel? And he was beaming. He's like, man, that was great. Like, that was as low as I could have shot today. Like I really turned it into something. It's like, man, like that's cool. Like, first of all, that's why your tiger is because you can have bad days or 71. And you can also be mad at a 71 at Augusta. But like that's the, that's the cool part of golf is

watching people do those kinds of things, grind out a score where the average, even like the average mini tour player would have probably shot 78, and you just watch Tiger somehow flip it to 69 or 68 or something ridiculous. When I was really struggling with my golf, I would, that PJ Tour Live post a lot of the full rounds on YouTube, and I would watch a lot of them just because I needed to see how these, like, that these guys weren't playing perfect, because to me it was like any time I hit a bad shot,

I felt like I was an idiot and I didn't deserve to be on the PJ tour when it's like, man, you know, I'd watch certain rounds and be like, that guy has missed so many freaking greens. What's he at? Oh, my God. He's one under par. Cool, man. Like, I would have been nine over. So it was like, it helps to remember that it is not a game of perfect. Yeah, it was very funny. Like Matthew Fitzpatrick was saying last week when he, I can't remember which one of it was Honda Bay Hill, both obviously played tough. But one of them he played and he was out there and he was thinking like in the morning, he was watching some of the scores being like, how the hell are these guys posting these scores?

I don't know that I'm good enough to go do that. And then he's like the next week, he wasn't playing. He was just on the range. And he's like, I was watching the coverage being like, why are these guys struggling so much? Like it's not that hard.

And so it is like that kind of mental difference is crazy at that level. Yeah, that's interesting to hear. Yeah, it is also funny. Like I was, I probably did the same thing because I was watching the Honda because I didn't play. And then I was just kind of laughing at these scores.

These people were putting up. But I know it's hard, but I'm like, come on. Like, how do you hit it there? How do you do that? And then I'm watching the Bay Hill the very next week. I'm like, oh, you guys do not understand how impossible this shot is, trying to be the complete opposite.

Or the, how much does like the, you know, Bay Hill, there's water everywhere. Like, how much does water? It does that because in our brains, like, everybody always talks about the amort. If we have like a chip over a bunker, you know, everyone's like, oh, like, don't worry about the bunker. It's not even in play. And you're like, that giant,

pit of sand. I think I can see. What do you mean it's not? Oh, I see. Does that stuff like, does the why, like, how much does that stuff seep into your guys' brains or are you, you know, I guess it has to to some degree, right? Oh, do we, I've said this. This is, again, the beauty of golf to me is professional golf, BJTor golf is the same as like your guy's golf and, and the average, you know, Sunday shooters golf. It's just like a little sharper, but we think the same type of stuff. It's just the difference is, is on a lot of holes where there's water, most holes where there's water, you can take a club that either doesn't get to the water, flies the water, or one, you know, especially if you're playing well, that just kind of, if I clubbed down to a three iron,

I will rarely miss a fair way by enough to go into the water. But then you play holes like six at Bay Hill where it's all water and then it's all you're thinking about because it's essentially out of bounds. If you hit it in the water, you know, you're probably going all the way back to the T. does seep in your mind, but you just have to do your best to block it out. And again, like, you game playing. If there's water left, pins left, you aim 20 feet right of the pin. For a PJ tour player, that's, you know, quite a bit offline if I were to pull it 25, 30 feet left. That would be the water now. So I've kind of taken the water out of play just by where I'm aiming for the most

part. But I mean, when I was young, my dad used to get so mad at me at the public course we grew up on there was one hole that looking back on it for public horse is sick. It's like an island green, 150 yards downhill and I would always go in my bag and take out like an old old golf ball and he'd be like what are you doing? I'm like well it's so you know water hole like I don't want to lose a nice new golf ball and he's like you're already telling me you're going to hit it in the water like hit the hit the title of golf ball and I'm like no man like I don't want to lose it and I got to ask you to probably be another sleeve but like that's the thing we're still the same person I'm still have like superstitions about busts out a new golf ball when the hole has a ton of water on it.

You're, I still do that. I still reach my back. I do, man. Oh, yeah. Like, there's no way I can play this hole and not lose a golf ball, so I'm not going to use one of my nice provenies that, like, my mom got me for Christmas. I also do, if my round goes off the wheels, I just won't play a new golf ball. Like, the other day, I bought a brand new sleeve. I was playing terribly, and I just lost all my golf ball, so I had to get some.

And so I played one hole, I lost a ball on the drive. I lost another ball in second iron shot. And then I just set him out on this hole. I put all my new golf balls in the bag and just went hunting for 10 minutes while my buddy said the rest of the hole. I showed up with all these like watermark balls like this is what I got for the rest of the day. And I feel great about it.

The other day I played with guys who hadn't played a golf course around here. It was a club that they had never been to. And there's this one hole that has, it's the only hole that has water on it. And they said, where's the water on this hole? And I stepped up to the tee. I said, I'm going to show you. I swear, I hit my drive. And then it went, just faded a little bit left and splash.

I said that's where the water is. On cue, on cue, water shot. Man, that's kind of cool. Yeah, I called it. Yeah, good shot, Brangy. Really good. We are now a few weeks, maybe a month into quarantine at this point. You're probably starting to establish a routine.

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It's like in a hole that looking back is, wait, I think we got delayed here. I think Riggs may have gotten delayed. Riggs is in the future, I think. Yeah, he got time warped for a second. Frankie, or Max asked how Frankie's chipping is. I don't want to get past that. Yeah, it's, you know, I actually, it's just so crazy.

Like, I've been getting tweets recently being like, all right, Like at this point, you've been taught by, like, a full hour long lesson by Kevin Kisner. And it looked like it did well. It was going well. Bryson DeCambeau brought you on to the range and tried to teach you about chipping at the PGA championship. Like, at what point are you-infeld? It was so much info. Right.

At what point, oh, my God, it was insane. He's like drawing lines in the grass saying hit it at a certain launch angle. I was like, bro, I can barely hold this golf club right now. And I didn't have a glove. That day was a nightmare. Yeah, you left it at home. Yeah, I left it home. Yeah, there it is.

But, dude, it's just something mentally, man. I'm not like, I was actually doing it the other day at the range. And I'm just not strong enough with the way I hold the golf club. It's always just, I can never do what people are saying, where it's like, just slowly take it back, just let the club do the work. Like, I'm just so, like, loosey-goosey and I'm not, I guess I don't know what it is. Like, my grip's not, like, in the right spot where when I make contact, it could be anywhere.

So that's all I'm thinking about, like, oh, it could be behind the ball. It could be on top of the ball. It can hit the ball right in the middle. Like there's never a consistent. I can't feel the consistency with that club. I just can't. It's completely gone. And it's been gone.

It's been gone for three years now. I think it's never coming back. Your one handed chips at Palmetto were the best chips you've ever hit. Because that I have some sort of control over because I have to, right? Like it's like one hand to slow down. It forces me to slow down. When I have two, I'm like all of a sudden thinking about the wrist and I'm like, oh, like, let me try and cut under this. And then like I'm saying, all right, I don't have enough like arms.

I don't have enough wrist strength with my dainty wrist or something. I don't know what it is, that I have to now go faster so that the club doesn't move on my downslang. That's what I was thinking the other day. I was on a chump of a chip. I mean, there's no way to chip. That little eight-year-old Hawaiian kid can, like, has, if that eight-year-old

Hawaiian kid has a strength to chip, like, you can chip. I don't know what it is. I don't know. I know. It's so bad. I'm in the camp of I don't make fun of people who have trouble chipping. I went through, like, a little. little issue. Obviously, it's all relative, but issue with the right feel you. But I don't like to

make fun of it, but the wrist excuses is not. I'm trying to think of any explanation because at this point, I know what it takes. Like, I know I'm supposed to move my upper body with the, with the club, like kids told me. I know that I was flat. I know I was just moving my arms. And I'm trying to do that. I just can't get the club from the spot where it comes back to the ball with any sort of confidence. I can't do it. I just can't do it. I think we're seeing the problem. It's all up here, Frank. Oh, it's all up here, man. The other day I played, and I was hitting such great drives and iron shots

that I maybe only hit two or three wedges, and I shot a 78. I was waiting to tell you guys this. I mean, I was playing lights out. I shot 35 on the back of Cherry Valley Country Club. Like playing lights out golf, probably my best round in two or three years, and I only hit two chips all day. I was just hitting greens, like you wouldn't. It was like my job. But like that's, if I could just chip, I would be a much better golfer. I need to learn one thing.

If you only had to chip two times, how the hell did you shoot six over? Oh, well. Damn. Let's talk about, I mean, my putting is a nightmare. Dude, I three putt. I could not miss a green regulation this day. I was unconscious. It was like every, because like at this club, you really can't lose drives.

So even like drives that I was pulling away over to the right, like maybe I'd be in the next fairway, I was still drilling these greens or even like, even like just on the friend. And I also put a couple from the rough. It was like I just wasn't chipping. Like I was doing it. Yeah. I could not put.

Like I should have shot like even this day. It was my day. It was my caddyshack day that I was out there and like I was, I could do no wrong. I could do no wrong. Par three is I was drilling these pants. It was like it was nuts. And I just can't put. What's the infomercial with the, uh, square strike?

Square strike. Oh, I know. My dad's got a square strike. But it's already. I don't even know if they make a left. square strike. Dude, next. Listen, just switch to righty.

It's true. Dude, no joke, Frank. You're literally going to have the square strike. You're going to have that putter that just hovers over the ball by itself. Oh, the standalone. Yes, you're going to have it all. That standalone putter is sick.

It is sick. I've played with somebody that used it. It is the most infuriating thing ever. You had a rule that if he missed one putt inside five feet, he had to stop using it because it took so freaking long to set up. Hold on with the guy that you played. They would actually leave the club there and then walk around and check the angle.

Oh, yeah. I mean, he was like a seven minicap and put out of his, I mean, I'll give it to him. He put out of his mind, but it was so annoying. You have four feet, put it down, do the whole thing. I'm like, buddy. And then he'd get over and be like, no, dude, I couldn't handle it. But he never missed. I wonder how much of my putting is because I'm lined up incorrectly, because I feel like I just can't hit it.

Even if I'm lined up perfectly, if you try and tell me to hit it to a certain spot, that's not happening. I just played the other day and I couldn't even get it close. I'd like, wait till fucking... Five-footers. I didn't make one of them. Wait till you get Sir Nick fucking roasting your putting shirt. Why does he roast you every day? Dude, you should see me too.

Everyone's... People mess with me. They're like, why don't you just fix your putting stroke? Like, what do you mean just fix? Like, that's not a thing. You can't just try harder. Yeah, like, no, why don't you just do it the right way? Like, uh, yeah, no fucking shit.

So now I'm standing over there. I've got like, Sir Nick's sent 10 different tweets chirping every different. So I'm standing there like, I feel I can, uh, Take up. Yeah, all the different gadgets where I'm standing, except I got no gadgets. It's all just mental. And I'm standing there and I'm like, I'm standing over a four footer that I know is like right center. And I'm like, there's a 0.0% chance this goes in.

Like all I have to do is just roll it somehow straight. It's easiest put to all golf. If it's even close to hitting it straight, it'll just go in. It's a right center of putt. And I'm just like, there's zero chance. I got Sir Nick, my shoulders, my feet. My putter. Like, Kiz is texting me like, yo, that line in the center of your putter.

It's supposed to be like in the middle of the ball. So now I'm like looking at the line. It's just a disaster. So it's a good transition though to talk. I mean, you're talking about roasting tweets and roasting swings. Like Max, you're now the number one roaster of swings and golf swings on Twitter. How did this start? Like where was the first one and how did you know it was like picking up steam?

Because like now it's a must follow, must watch every time someone tweets at you. It was a it was super random. I had to fly to California for a night. night or for a day to I was working with somebody uh on short game actually shout out to you frankie and um I landed uh staying at a hotel like right next the airport got a tweet from some kid name uh I think he's named Brian McLaughlin and he said uh he said hey here's a video of my swing why don't you roast me like you're Gordon Ramsey I didn't think much of it but he sent me this video that had a terrible angle it was like the 45 degrees kind of face on kind of down the line

and I said, I used that GIF, the Gordon Ramsey jiff where he puts the bread on the girl's ears and says, what are you? And she says, an idiot sandwich. I said, like, this is the worst camera angle of all time to do a swing roast. Maybe he got two more that night, went to bed, woke up, woke up early, had to do this golf thing. So I'm done at like 10 and I have like a hundred more videos like sent to me. I'm like, wow. So now I'm at the airport, nothing to do. So I do a few more. And all of a sudden, it like gets less. legs and it starts to become kind of crazy. I decided to call it quits because like, I know we've mentioned, I mentioned this before, but like, I do want to be really good at golf. So like I can't just be on my phone all day. I know people don't believe that, but I do need to practice. So I

decided I was going to call it quits. But then all these like famous people and you guys start sending me your swings. So I had to keep it up. I will say of all of them I did, your three might be like my favorite. Dude, you know, I know the one that really hurt me is I pick the, by far the best thing I've ever had in my life of mine. I could have done, I could have went and like done a chip and it would have been funny. Oh, Frankie, cute. He can't chip.

He played it. I picked mine from Sage Valley where I absolutely hit a piss missile right down the middle. I mean, the sound of that drive will, will ring throughout Sage Valley for years to come. And you still were like, I don't know why people roast your chipping so much when your golf swing is, when your full swing is this. bad or something like that. I was just like, holy shit, man. I thought maybe you were like, all right, like this has some potential here. Like now, now let's get serious. Like, but it was just completely demoral. I will give you a comment. The hardest thing to do and the reason nowadays it is,

it is difficult to keep up these rows is a lot of people send me like pretty good golf swings. Like I'll give you this, Frankie. I don't know where your ball goes. I've never watched you play golf, but like your swing is decent. Like it's pretty good. That's huge to hear from. That's huge. And I, I, I can't just say like, oh, you have a pretty good swing, Frankie. Like, you have to say something. I also know what you shoot. And so I could kind of guess that you don't like stripe it all the time. Right.

For sure. You kind of made in something. No, I mean, I'm glad that I was part of it because it's like a new movement. It's a new wave. But it's hilarious, man. Like, I know like all the guys that I, like, I was talking a couple guys from the islanders the other day. And like, Devon Taze was like, man, that Max Homer is a must follow.

Because I was going through his tweets all day long yesterday, just laughing my ass off at how good he is at like just picking apart. Like you know that it pisses some of these guys off too. Like yesterday I think you had one that I know destroyed the guy when you're like, you have a great swing that you do absolutely nothing like. And I was like, oh man, that hurts every single scratch golfers like brain and their heart and their soul because yeah, you have a great swing, but like you're just a country club hack that like Yeah.

Well, if you send in a swing, like I know everybody picks their favorite swing. I would too. But if you send in a swing. and it looks really good and I don't know who you are. Like, people want a compliment, but like, that's actually kind of the biggest, like, self-owned. Oh, wow, you have a really good swing and, like, you can't even win your club championship. Like, that's a good.

Yeah. The golf is more than just, like, what it looks like. The ball needs to go in the hole. So those people, I try to avoid it at all costs because they're looking for a compliment, but those people are the ones that just want, like, oh, yeah, well, like, don't I have a really good swing? You're like, sure, man, like, you still suck. No, we alluded to it to it.

It's so good, man. We alluded to it a little bit before where we said, like, are you thinking about it on the course? You said no, which is obviously like the truth. But like, you know that you've now opened yourself up to the entire internet world, that every time now you hit any sort of bad shot or now like your swing is completely dissected by everyone on times a million because you are the guy that dissects people's swing. So like if you go on a streak now where you play poorly or whatever, it's like, well, who's this guy to tell me, you know what I mean?

It's like all these internet warriors now will now have something to like build off of. So now you've got an internet target on your back. But I also, it's not really, though. People have taken it pretty well. They've been good. I would say 99.9% have been awesome. That's what I've liked about it. The funny part is I didn't, I did not think about the scrutiny that I'm like

stuff up for. But the, like, and that's kind of been like the scariest part. Fortunately, I've played really well to start the season. But, yeah, I'm going to get a lot of hate. I mean, I got a lot of hate for the shank. But I try to take it well, too. But like the best part about all this, and it goes back to a Tyler, the creator tweet way back in the day about cyberbullying when he like kind of made fun of cyber

bullying which I think is maybe a little unfair but he also said just like turn off the computer if it starts to get really mean I'm just going to turn off my phone all the hate because that that seems like it would weigh on me but yeah opening up for scrutiny hasn't been great getting heckled in the crowd I actually really like I think it's funny but yeah I have been fortunate to play really well since this thing's blown up or else I would have gotten, you know, eating alive. You made a name for yourself, like, aside from the golf, like more people, I feel like now. I want last year, Frank.

No, I know. Yeah. I know that. Get it back for that meat tweet, he said to you, Frankie. No, it's like, you've made a different brand. Like, people, like, you know, Kisner was like, you know, worth $20 million on PJ A tour earnings. And, like, not that many people knew everything about Kisner. Like, we know, like, your personality and your brand more now, as opposed to

just like going out and winning a tournament. You know what I mean? Like every week you watch someone do that. And like I don't really know like how funny that guy may be or like if he actually is a real like person or whatever. So I actually think it's like totally worth what you're doing as opposed to whatever scrutiny you get or anything. I think it's completely worth it.

Yeah. Thanks. You have to kind of, I mean, Kisner almost like set the groundwork for, but you got to somehow get your personality out there for everybody. And that's the beauty. And that's the beauty of having a sport where you're not on a team, I guess,

is you can take a chance to be yourself. And, you know, if people like it, it works. If not, then you can kind of hide back in your, you know, in your, in your little world. But, you know, I've always tried to just be who I am. And Twitter gave me an avenue to, like, mess around with people. And like you said, people have taken really kindly to it, which is nice. I really do.

I love that people play a lot of golf. I don't mean any. I want more people to play golf. But it is funny just how obsessed everyone is with, like, their pretty golf swing. Yeah. You know who doesn't agree with you is our pal old Hugsy, John Huggins. Hey, guys, what a win. That was us.

We like wrestling, like, tag-teamed old Huggsy off Twitter. Barton kicked him back in that hole. So good, man. He's been self-quarantined since Australia. He's been self-quaranty since way before the coronavirus. He was the first one of self-quarantied himself because he's been stuck inside a room looking outside his window at the weather. rolling in because we put him back in his home.

That guy's been done. For those that don't know, somebody tweeted him when this whole roasting swings things was taken off, somebody said, what's all this Max Homa shit about? And John Huggins responded, self-promotion. Yes, that's right. Which is such an

old crusty, old golf media way to look at it. Like, oh, look at him. He's using Twitter to promote himself. Yeah, no shit, Hugs'y. Like that's, he quit Twitter. We knocked him off. and he quickly realized that like, oh, that's what Twitter's for. I need to promote my articles that I write that zero people read.

That's why Max Homer is doing this because it's entertaining and people want it. It was really frustrating because, first of all, I am not about self-promotion at all. If it was not for Twitter, I would not, you would never hear me, you know, pumping out my name at all. I don't want, like, spotlight stuff that's not, you know, golf related. it was it like hit me because it first of all he if he does media he should call me i mean i had other people call if they wanted to like talk about it but the other part that was uh quite annoying besides him just not even understanding what the point of social media and twitter is in general was how um how like negative like people it wasn't like i was asking people hey man hey trent dude

like send me your swing dude like i want to roast it like some of your swings so i can like promote myself. It was like, no, no, like people were asking me to do it. I get, I still get like hundreds a day that I don't do because it is like a little tired at times. But I'm not, like again, it's not my job, man. Like people are asking you to do it. People want me to do it. I'm just trying to like connect with people and like do what they're asking me to do. It could not be less conceited of a way to do it. I mean, do I like it? Do I think it's funny? Do I think it's cool that like, some of my favorite athletes in the world have tweeted me their golf swings. Hell yeah, I think that's cool.

And that's okay to admit. But that's not why I'm doing it. I'm doing it because people like it. And it's like I like making people laugh and it's worked out. There's just also such like an authenticity about it, right? Like social media is such a fine line for a lot of people that are public figures or professional athletes or whatever. And like you see like Sergio after his stuff, he's all of sudden posting like still shots all

the time of him with like veterans and then kids. and there's like a, there's like a certain forced and like some of the stuff he's done is authentic and so of it. Whereas this is like, it's just, you clearly are having fun with it and doing it like when you have free time. And there's such a, like, oh, this guy, this is just you're kind of learning about what this guy's like. He's just like busting people's balls and then you can go through the replies and you're like, after you roast the guy and the guy comes back, you're usually like, hey, I keep it up, man. Like, I kind of like the action or whatever. And it's like very clear that it's all fun and games.

And it's not like you're saying, like, you're saying, like, you're. not out there begging people to like help you promote yourself you're just like yeah send me my your swing and if i'm bored on the flight tomorrow or whatever i'll go through a couple and like see what i come up with and it's that simple and then here's old uxie is like i'm gonna take them to self promote it's like what it's talking about yeah it's it's like i would like to think that that people if you've met me like pro ms i play in uh this is like who i am this is who a lot of us are you know when you play and i grew up playing with the you know the men's club the guys you know getting drunk at the bar at my home course, Vista Valencia, we would all go out and everyone would bust each other's

balls and, and, you know, make fun of each other and at the same time help each other out right after, you know, like make fun of your terrible shot, make fun of it, you know, my shank and then go right into like, hey, you know, it's like all fun in games. So that's how I grew up doing it. If I play a pro am, I'll give somebody grief about their shot and at the same time help them get better at it. I don't want them to feel down about it, but we can all laugh about it. It's all right. Golf's really freaking hard. Um, so, Yeah, so to be explained as somebody who's just trying to, I don't know, make a name for themselves, you know, it also goes back to the guys who say, you know, I don't see Rory on Twitter all

the time. That's why you're not very good. It's like, it's seven at night, man. Like, Rory's not playing golf right now. I know he's not. Like, it's impossible. It's dark outside. So it's just something to do.

Some people, you know, I'm sitting watching TV or, you know, in the car or whatever when my wife's driving to dinner and I'll see a swing and do something. It does not take a whole lot of effort and it doesn't take a whole lot of time. Like this stuff's just for fun. You know, social media is a great break, especially when you're on a golf course for nine hours a day, grinding, you know, to be better. So something coming from media is even worse because they should have a bit a bit better wherewithal with all with all that. And just like as fans of the game, it's awesome to see because it's like we get it like we'll get people chirp us to be like, after we have somebody on the show, I'll be like, oh, you're going to, you guys are going to hug his nuts, too.

And it's like, well, actually, to a degree, yes, because now, like, right, like, when we watch people on, on the coverage and they all look the same, like, especially in golf, it's fucking a bunch of, like, 25 to, like, 40-year-old white dudes who all look the same. And it's like, and you don't, like, how can I separate? You can't learn if they're just hitting golf shots and they're focusing out learning. So now we've had them on the show or we've had a long-form podcast or whatever, even a good interview on golf channel. or wherever where like now I have a reason to know about this person and understand them like yeah now I'm a fan of that person and yeah most people get like a bad rep in every walk of life but you know you it's weird you you meet somebody who you may have never you had never had an interaction with and people have said bad things about him and you meet him and you're like yeah like you're pretty

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That hit me at the same time. That hit me at the same time it hit Frankie. I was like, you look. Jesus. You look just like Justin Verlinder. Let's see you with a shirt off and jeans on. Hey, we'll take that offline, man. So that's going to be hard to get out of my head.

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To nothing. I have never, I have a rule that I've told other people who have sent me their swing. Like, I think, you know, a couple of guys who have won, you know, much more than I have, obviously. I don't like to roast their stuff. If Tiger roasted or sent his swing in to roast for me to roast him, first of all, I would think that there is something seriously. wrong. He used to make me a lot of things to be doing. That makes me alarm for his career, because that's when, you know, things are going to start spiraling if you ever send me in the

adult swing. I would, I would have to quit. I would just, I would leave it at, you know, essentially, I love you. This is my one chance to talk to you. I'm not going to say anything mean because I want you to love me back, even though it's not how it's going to work. And then I'd probably just delete Twitter. There's nothing to say, man. If you quote tweeted it just wrote perfect period. That'd be amazing. That'd be perfect. I mean, just all you got to do is put like a little goat emoji up there. Yeah, it's the truth.

I've watched Tiger swing one trillion times and every year he's ever changed it. When you, like when you're in a tournament and you look at the leaderboard, do you like track? Where's Tiger? Oh, yeah. I've been trying to get in his group for years. If I miss this pot, then I could potentially get in his group. He, uh, having a four footer on Friday afternoon knowing that like, If you miss this put, potentially you're in Tigers group.

He's never made a fucking 30-footer on his last hole on Friday at Memorial this past year to kick me out of Tigers group. Oh. It was so salty. Yeah. And I was staying with Joel Damon, who I ended up playing with on that Saturday. And I will say this, and I set it right to his face. It was the biggest bummer ever. We had to play with Joel that day.

Yeah, Tiger's tough, man. It's like you want to meet him so bad, but you don't want to come off as like a fan boy. It's like impossible. Yeah, that is like, yeah, you're supposed to be trying to, you're playing for the same fucking thing out there. Yeah, but it's like impossible to think that. Like, imagine having three feet, Tiger's got 18 major wins.

You're at the Masters. You've got three feet to win the Masters. But it kicks Tiger out of winning. Like, obviously I'm going to make it. But like, there's going to be a part of your inner child that's like, really want to see Tiger get to 19. It's just, he's a, he's a mythical, mythical figure at this point.

And honestly, I have fortunately been able to meet. need him. And I know you guys have too. Like he's really awesome. Like he's a really cool guy. Yeah. He has like you, you know, like we've obviously, we've done whole shows just breaking down our like 60 second interactions with Tiger before. But like he is just like friendly. Like we we've like met him. He's like chit chat. He's talking about basketball. He's asking Trent where he's stationed. Like he's just. Yeah. He I met him at Memorial and, you know, how everyone's kind of brain is weird. He won the Masters, if you guys didn't know, last year. And that was right before the Wells Fargo, which is a tournament, I won Frankie. And, um, congrats. I, thank you. I, uh, I was, uh, so I was on the

range. And for some reason in my head, you know, going over like fake things that could happen. I was like, if I ever meet Tiger, if he ever says, uh, you know, congrats on your win, like, please just remember to say congrats on the masters. Like, just remember it. Because like, these things happen. Your brain goes really fast, whatever. Well, just so happens Thursday morning, a memorial. I'm hitting balls on the end of the range. My back is to everybody else. And I was one or two groups in front of Tiger, maybe one behind. And Joe, my caddy says, hey, Max, turn around. And I turn around. I actually have it on video, thanks to PJ Tour Live. And Tiger is walking straight at me. And I'm like, in my head, what the hell is happening? Like, what do I do? Don't

puke on his shoes, you know, all this stuff. So he comes over. He shakes my hand. He goes, hey, I just want to say congrats on the Wells Fargo and that was really cool. I'm just like, oh my gosh. Yeah, man, thanks. And like, as he's working away,

I'm like, congrats on the masters, man. And like in the video, you can't hear it, but you can see what he smiles and says thanks. And I'm like, man,

like my first, my first try and didn't go real smooth, but at least I got it out. But he just, it's a weird, man. It's just, you know,

people, people can make fun of it. But it's, you're meeting your literal hero and possibly the greatest at any sport ever. I mean, it's hard not to get kind of awkward when he comes around. Max, you don't have to tell this group, as Riggs alluded to, my brain turned into complete mush.

The first time Tiger Woods looked me directly in the eye and asked me one question, I felt like I got placed on Mars. And I did know what's going on. It is. It's like the whole, the atmosphere around you changes. People say when you, like, need a president, like everything changes. Like, everything around you starts to swirl. Tiger Woods is the exact same thing, especially the guys like us.

So now it's just like, yeah, you meet him, you have all this planned, and it all goes right out the window. Yeah, 100%. And like even it's weird. I've met three people who have had like a weird, like an aura, like you just mentioned, where the energy feels way different. And he was one of them. And I remember the first time I, not the first time I saw him in person,

but first time I played in a tournament with him, I was standing by the range with my back to where everyone walks in. And I had this weird feeling and I turned around and, tiger's right there. And I'm like, why did I feel that? Like how? I know it's probably because like a thousand people just came sprinting past me to get to him. Like that might have been part of it. But I'd like to think it's like the energy that he exudes. Oh, man. I, uh, so I'm glad you mentioned president Trent because like, so when I was at the White House a couple weeks ago, I think I've told this story. But, you know, I do the little interview thing. Obviously, I'm nervous and it's like,

whatever, I'm doing it with the vice president's chief of staff. And afterwards, the guy that kind of said the whole thing up is like, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to give you a tour of the West wing, you know, and like just kind of follow my lead. I'm like, yeah, okay, sure. So he's like, I don't really know what we're going to get into, but like, you know, there's people around. Okay. Okay. And obviously, like, he had pretty good connections with like the vice president and all that because it was his chief of staff that I did the interview with. And he, they keep being like, yeah, VP's around. So like, we're going to see if we can catch him. I'm like, you know, like, okay, like whatever. And so in the, the West Wing is fucking tight, man. Like, it is claustrophobic.

Like, it's tight. The hallways are the, they're just like, it was like it was, you know, it just wasn't built for like modern space and there's too many people and all this. And so you kind of literally just bump into people like Jared Kushner just like walk by us at one point. I was just like, hello, I don't know what I'm doing here. I'm not dressed properly. Sorry. Like whatever. And sure enough at one point like the vice president, my Pence just turns the corner and legit locks right at me and gives me like the elbow bump.

And I'm like great. And so I'm like, okay, I'm now in a conversation with the vice president. And all I'm thinking of my head is like at some point you need to utter the phrase Mr. vice president. I don't know why, but like that just needs to be said. And so I'm sitting there and I'm trying to hold a legitimate conversation. And in my head, I just keep thinking like, when are you going to say, man? You got to like say Mr. Vice President. And the whole thing's going on his term. So finally, he's like deciding that the conversation is going to wrap up. And he kind of like, is like great to meet you. I hope you enjoy your time. Thank you for doing the interview. And like as he's walking away.

And I in my head, I'm like, Mr. Vime. And all I could muster was I just said like, bye bye now. And like, I just, I was just like, yeah, bye, bye now. And like, and then he was just gone. Did he look back or he must have just been like, what back? About like other way more important, like, in like 10 billion. A lot of these. Like that happens more than one. Like I'm not alone with the tiger thing.

You're not alone with the bye bye. My girlfriend was with, she just looked at me like, what the fuck was that? I was like, I, you know. what I had. That's what I had. Like, sometimes you want to hit a perfect parakeet wedge, but you skull one, and that's what happened. I just never got the same Mr. Vice President. Exactly.

We did have a plan. I just could execute. Correct. That's exactly right. Like, no, I was going to flop this with a little spin over that bunker. Instead, I just bladed it into the face. And literally said bye-bye now. I said like, bye-bye now.

And then I, it was just, he was gone, man. It was awful. It was so funny. I love that. It is. Yeah, it was scary. Because our brains suck. Like our brains don't know how to work on like, you know, quick moving situations.

Like even something so much smaller, obviously, K. Marco in our office, one of our co-workers was walking by me one day and he was like, what's up? And I just looked up. I'm like, hello, man. And it's never been the same since. Like, we've never ever had the same relationship since. Like, hello, man. And he's like, he stopped.

And you know how K Marco is guys. Like, he's just like, what the fuck did you just say to me? I was like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. I couldn't, didn't know. I just, I knew that those two words, like, I know you're a man. I know hello is a greeting. He caught me in the blink of an eye and I was just getting a bagel.

And I'm just like, hello, man. Yeah, that's what I'm looking at. Hello, man, person. You didn't say one word to Tiger. No, I didn't. Were you the one that adapted him up though that got all the grief? Yes. That was good.

That was real clear. No, I didn't get grief. I would have gotten grief had had he gone like fist bump into open-com. Dude, he went fist bump, fist bump, and then I just brought in the dat. We popped, and then he went back to a fist pump. So it's like he had to fucking evade all these things.

Oh, his brain's firing. Like, he's done these billions of times. He knows how to do it all. And we get it. But also, if he messes it up, it's your fault. It's not. Yeah. Dude, our brand, like, we don't have you on the podcast today.

if he hits me, if he hits me right here, hopefully is done. The second, it's like in a movie. Like you would hear like the douche. And we would just like float away like in, and that's when Frank, you had to file for unemployment. Back at Borrelli, slinging pies.

Trent's scorn. I'm trying to sell software. Like we're off his own hand. Yeah. Yeah, we were, like, we talk about it. Like Tiger had the, uh, Iron Man like vision. And he was like, fist pump, dip.

and like just nailed it and just went on about his death. It's a completely mythical creature, complete. But it is like, it's wild that you guys feel that too. Like that's, you know. I might be different because I do love golf and I'm okay with admitting that I think that he's like, just like, you know, like we said mythical and kind of like in the golf world, godlike. But yeah, that's why I play golf.

First memory is watching Tiger win the Masters in 97. You used to watch them every year at Riviera when he would play. you know, go to his Sherwood tournament when he would host the old Hero World Challenge. Like, I'm okay with admitting that, like, this is a dude that I've watched so much. And now, again, might be misconstrued to people. When I play him, it's really fun to compete against him. Like, I want to beat him. I keep not a legit tally, but I keep track of where he is.

Like, I want to have my, like, I want to clip him as many times I can. But yeah, it's cool. I got to, I was at the freaking Zozo Championship when he tied the record for most PJ Tor wins. Like I think that's cool. It's cool as long as you're still trying to, you know, play your best and beat the dude, which I am. But it's also cool just to like hang out or have lunch with or, you know, be in the locker with like your freaking hero. Like the guy who, the guy who literally, if it was not for him, I would not be playing golf. Like that's, that's a big deal to get to, you know, bump shoulders with that guy. I'm going to go run through a wall real quick.

Ready to fucking go. Dude, it's going to be must watch. When you finally get paired up with him, I'm sure it'll be featured group because everything he does is on TV. And it's going to be must watch. I'm going to be shaking on your first team. I'm just going to be staring at it. There's already a picture when I played my first pro event,

or my, yeah, I guess my first pro event was the U.S. Open at Marion. I was still an AM. And I hit balls between Rory and Tiger. And they're obviously on the live warm up, whatever show they do.

and somebody sent me a picture. I am just staring at Tiger as he's hitting golf balls. Like absolutely not not doing anything along with like getting better at golf for me. I'm just staring at him. So I have a feeling it's going to be like 18 holes of that. Oh, man. That first tee shot of Marion is intense too. God.

And they had a rain delay. So I teed off at 5.50 p.m. And there's no worse club to hit off the first tee when you're nervous than a three would. So I teed the thing up like two inches in the air like a driver and just prayed I didn't either hook it into people or cold top it off the tea. Dude, no joke. The three wood. So like I've been doing these stupid things obviously on Instagram and the first hole at Pioneer's number two as like Lurch knows, the other guys know is clearly not a driver. Like it's a three wood that you're supposed to hit down there because the fairway gets really narrow. And that's my worst club that I can hit

like when I have first T jitters is a three wood. Like I won't make contact. I'll hit it 40 yards and top it or so I just have to hit driver every time and I go on the right trees and make bogey every single whenever I'm nervous I just go to driver. Biggest-faced club. At least you're going to have some sort of contact. Now, it might not be good, but I always pull driver if I'm super nervous.

Three wood's impossible. And then an iron just, like that's probably my most confident set of clubs. But like I still, I just want the biggest face. You want the biggest room for error. Exactly. Just talk about first tea jitters the other day.

The range that I went to the golf course was closed. Obviously that COVID-19, and everything's like like the clubhouse was closed, Rangers closed, but they were just able, we were able to walk from the, from our car to the T-box and just play. So I had this thing that my girlfriend's dad

has been swinging in the backyard. If you ever see that like, that like yellow weighted thing, big ball? So now I didn't like know what the hell that was. I've seen people like older people warming up and like loosening up. I swung this thing around a little bit in the fucking parking lot just to loosen up. Like maybe I'll get my back to crack or whatever.

I didn't want to step up. I was playing a match. like I was getting intense. And I swung this thing maybe 10, 15 times. And I was like, oh, man, help me with my, like, movement. And I'm, like, getting some nice tempo with this thing. I step up to the first team and I grabbed the first driver. And I'm like, holy shit, this thing's a toothpick.

Like, it was a feather, man. I'm like, look at me with this thing around. I'm like, I'm not going to be able to make contact. I completely ruined my swing on the first hole. It took me, dude, my first swing felt like it went 240 miles per hour. and I topped it six inches. I'm like, whoa, ball. Like, whoa, like, this is not good.

And my second one, I just, like, had to mentally think, like, all right, swing 10% speed. It'll go regular. So this is just, like, I notice to anyone. Like, if you have, like, any sort of athletic ability and you can swing the club at any sort of speed, don't ever use that yellow thing because I don't think it twice way back in the day, both times my next, my first tee shot of the day, because it'll just be sitting on the tee, right? And I'll swing out. Oh, yeah, that feels good.

Like you said, tempo gets all nice and feeling all rhythmical. And both times my driver went, I would say, like, 180 yards to the right. Yes. So I would bail on it. But then I watched videos of Vijay Singh hitting actual golf balls. Yes. I've seen that. I mean, unless he, like, waits, like, a long time before he ends up using club,

because I, you know what else I heard that someone told me a long time ago, I don't know what it was. It definitely wasn't on this podcast, maybe. I don't know. But, like, all of, like, those weighted things, like baseball bats and everything, it's actually not physical at all. It's mental. Really? Like it's like your mental.

Perfect for you, Frank. But like, they're saying like, they're saying like it only last like five or six seconds, like of actual physical, like, like you're actually physically swinging the club. It's like your muscle memory now.

Like someone, what do we usually call it? Four play doctors. What do we call it? What's up, Doc? What's up, Doc? We need the answer on this because it's something. there's something to it where it's not like like it wears off physically like I remember someone like

trying to say like oh from the batter's box to from the on deck circle to the batters box like it wears off by the time like physically like that actual weight will wear off from the time you get from there but mentally like it makes you think like it's lighter so it actually like throws you off have you ever seen the Miguel Anhe Jimenez warm up you ever seen that oh yeah I've mimicked that whole warm up before pretty round because you're gross thing no it's you kind of bend with your back and then you did the best where he's going yeah the needs one when he pulls him that is diabolical that is yeah that's if you could do that you're ready to golf man yeah you are fired up and ready to don't need you don't need the the freaking swing tools or anything you're

you're so yeah you are you're golden maxwell origin story and what's up doc is we a lot of times we just start talking about stuff that we don't understand um it turns out when you like our listeners just have different professions and so we'll go talk about all kinds of and medical stuff, and then we'll get 100 emails from people that are like, yeah, I'm a doctor and like everything you guys said is wrong. So we just came up with a segment called What's Up, Doc. And whenever we start talking about a field of information of which we know nothing, we just open it up and kind of let people send us messages explaining how things in the world were. So that's what's like. Perfect. Because isn't Twitter, I thought everybody on Twitter was an

expert on every single thing. Basically. We thought that too on the podcast. So he thought like if you have a podcast. One big, buddy think tank on Twitter. Yeah, that's the best. That's absolutely the best. All right, Max, we kept you for over an hour. So, you know, unless you got anything else pressing, we can probably wrap this thing up.

I'm pretty, I'm pretty free for a while. I love when you have like ketchup calls these days, you're like, what are you guys up to? And everybody knows it's nothing. Like, there's just nothing. Like, you have nothing to say, nobody's been able to do anything. But it's, people can't wait to ask, what are you up to anything it's like no i mean same as you get is you get people's thoughts yeah you get a lot

of thoughts yeah i'm not up to anything but i've really been thinking about and they're like oh fuck i am like the biggest anti talk on the phone person ever like i hate i don't like it i'd rather people text like friggin normal 2020 folk but nowadays like i'll get a text or i'll get a phone call from like someone i haven't talked to since fifth grade i'm like oh hell yes i'll wants to chat let's yeah i've really been wondering about him i'll have a marty much our co-worker marty mush was like this is taken away excuses from us like we can't someone says like yo man are you like available to like for a call in like an hour and you're like ah it's like no it's like what are you doing text you and they say uh what's up man and you're like

hey and then they call you right after knowing that your phone's in your hand like yo that was hey that diabolical move i respect it but i hate it that's hate it much this entire quarantine thing like everyone knows that you're next to your phone yeah If anyone texts you, hey, and then they see the little three dots come out and you get a call from them, to lose my number. Never talk to me again. I think that is the most annoying and disrespectful thing you can do. I feel like that's a move right up, your little professional world with your pinging and all your other bullshit. No, no, no, no.

So I'm also in the software sales world, but I would never do that. No, no, no. I'm not going to swindle you. And actually, Riggs, your little tracer app pissed me off. So you give them a dollar, but then you only get the manual. You don't get the automatic. They want another four bucks for that. As soon as I figured that out, I deleted that app right away

because they're kind of swindled me into the next stage. So I went out and bought another app. But they got you with the dollar? They got, well, because I followed Riggs thinking this is such a great tracer app. It doesn't automatically trace right out of the gate. You need another four bucks to do that. Anyone hear my laptop about to explode? Yep.

Yeah. Now that's put your bike there. Shit, man. You got to get a new laptop. Lurch. Lurch. That you have to do it manually on the thing. Yeah. And then there's a, you can pay another four bucks for the automatic feature.

And I thought I was getting the automatic with that dollar investment. So you're cheap. You just can't. So then I went out and I bought another app for six bucks. So I actually. So I actually. So frustration. People don't know this.

But as I'm fucking walking down the fairway in between shots, I got to upload that video to that app. Then I got to draw the tracer on the app and then save it and then upload it to Instagram and then try to hit the next shot. So I found an automatic one for six bucks to save all that time. But the automatic ones suck. They're not accurate at all. Well, I don't think you're blind that you're drawing. It's perfectly accurate either. But I can at least give it so that the folks that are trying to follow know where it went.

That's the whole thing. We don't need to get into this. Well, you brought up. 14 day 22 or. Exactly. Fuck you. When I see you in two months, I'm going to remember for this conversation. I'm going to kill you.

All right, Max. Get a grip podcast. You and bacon. You guys do this every week, right? Where you go through. We just dropped one today, so. Awesome. Yeah, I mean, shoot, I've listened to Brian's a house in golf podcast this quarantine.

So we're not stepping on toes, man. We're just trying to get in the podcast game. Yeah, we're going to, we've got to take them out. Yeah, it's our rivals now. Definitely don't go listen to that show that we're plugging. But it is, especially in season. It's very cool in season because you legit, like Sunday nights after like Rivier and all these turns where you're playing really well in a contention, you guys just sit down.

out and hash it out of what everything was like. Yeah, it was cool when we were playing. It's actually been funnier now, way less information. If you guys were wondering, we talked about like our, you know, rounds of golf on a Thursday with, you know, Joe Schmo. So it's a little less golf-centric. That's what we do every week. So, I mean.

Very fair. Come on. But yeah, so it's worth, listen. Hey, listen, I'll say they can listen to yours first and then just as long as you listen to ours right after. Perfect. He goes nice. Plenty of time in the day these days to fill it up with two podcasts.

Yeah, you can. Right. You go five minutes one, five minutes the other. You could just whatever you want to do, people. Yeah, Tram, how about you yell at that window, listen and get a grip? Just like once in a while. We'll just open it up. You can yell to the.

Yeah, yell to it. Yeah, get a grip. Get a grip. Download it. That guy looked up. That guy looked up. Look at him. There's one new listener.

He's like, I'm listening, obviously. He's like, I'm looking for podcast recommendations. and this guy's screamed one from the fucking ceiling up there. Crazy. Also, it's like you're, uh, you're, it's almost, he probably thinks you're yelling at him because that's outside. Like, hey, get a grip. Pandemic.

Get inside. Gosh, shit. All right. You're part. Bacon. What? So there you go. You got, I got your one download.

I appreciate you, man. All right, Max. Thanks for the time, my man. We appreciate it. All right. Thank you, boy. Thanks, bro. Thank you, Matt.

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