Fore Play - ‘Memory Lane & The Borrellis Play Pebble’ ft. Sepp Straka

Episode Date: August 18, 2022

Sepp Straka joins (01:33:57) to discuss Sunday evening’s dramatic playoff. Riggs & Trent for the first hour. A throwback, old school chat down memory lane with the OG’s on Tiger’s plane exit & ���The Meeting.” Frankie & Trent then discuss the Borrellis’ memorable Pebble Beach week.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. When you're watching Willie Z like talk about with his caddy and look at the shot and he's like looking at his ball, making a decision, what are you thinking during that time? Are you like staring at him hoping that he's like going for it attempting it? Part of me, maybe a little bit. You're whispering like, play it. Dude, I think that's actually good. I think you can probably get a club on that.

I should have maybe gone over there and told him, that's not as bad as I thought. I could hit that shot. I could hit that shot. Oh, you got so lucky there. Because you walk back. You're good enough for that one. Foreplay presented by Barstool Sports.

We have a little bit of an OG show, if you will. It's kind of crazy to think that for two years or whatever it was, this was the entire show, but it's myself and Trent Ryan. We have Frankie Borelli and Benjamin Lurch Severance are in the end of the show with Sepp Straca. So Sepp Straca was of course in the playoff on Sunday. Phenomenal back and forth between him and Willie Z. Sep obviously ended up on the unfortunate side of that playoff, but he was kind enough yesterday. This was Tuesday that we recorded the interview.

As soon as he got to the BMW in Delaware, he hopped on with us for about 20, 25 minutes. We went all through the playoff. It was actually really, really interesting, how aggressive he is hearing about a lot of the shots. So Frankie and Lurch are part of that. Lurch is traveling all day today for AXON. And Frankie Borelli is obviously at Monterey Peninsula Country Club today with his father. I think he's going to jump in later in the show with just Trent. So you're getting all kinds of weird combinations, basically, which we like to throw at you.

But right now it's just you and me, Trent, Daddy. Yeah, I'm going to text Frankie later and see if he wants to recap how he shot at Pebble Beach, how he shot today. I'm just interested to hear how it went, how it went with Mr. Borelli. But for right now, it's the old school show. It's me and Rigsie. And it's, you know, it is true. We did this for a couple of years on the front end of this podcast. And then it grew and we added a couple more bodies.

But I think this will be nice. This is a nice little throwback for people who've been listening for a long time. Like 9 p.m. on Monday nights, we used to basically do the podcast because we weren't allowed to do the podcast during work hours. We had to blog. Yep. And podcast studios were impossible to find. I mean impossible. That was the OG office where there was basically one podcast studio.

There was one radio studio, one podcast studio. And so we would fight for time because it was back in that day, it was pretty much part of my take, KFC Radio, us. And then mixtape at the time, too. They would record for like five hours. Anybody who ever listened to the boys then? I mean, they would do, they would do hour and a half long ad reads. So they would record just forever. Yeah, and then and we'd be like, all right, we're looking at studio time.

And like you said, it'd be, pardon my take and KFC radio, who obviously have like the first dibs on a radio on a podcast studio. So we would record at 9 p.m. do our little golf show. Do it until really late, wake up the next day, start blogging. It's funny. When we talk about those days now, it does seem a little bit like in my day, we walk uphill to school both ways. Yeah. But if you do look back, those, there was that studio. was as tiny as can be.

It was the first post-Milton Barstile HQ, not a lot of room. Everybody was on top of each other. When it first opened up, we had one floor and it was content on one side, business on the other. Eventually, we got the floor above it where the business people went. But if you look back on it, it really is like the good old scrappy days. And now, you know, we're all over the place. We're traveling.

We got video series. We've expanded. The office is way bigger. People are all over. Sometimes it's nice to reminisce. and remember where he came from. It does feel a lot when people ask, like we snapped our fingers, woke up, and it's,

and it's big. I know. It's people are like, oh, so talk to me about this. You know, how did you guys get to this point? I'm like,

honestly, we, feels like we did that first episode with Ali Schneider jans and talked about his fucking shampoo. And then now it feels like this is like the next episode that we're recording. And it's five and a half years later. And things are, things are just different.

It's every, thing that we do never thought that blue apron was our first sponsor i remember that like we came in yeah we came in i don't know if they're even a company anymore i've no idea i haven't heard of them in forever but it was like hopefully they are but i remember because we you know for for folks who don't understand at the time i mean we're kind of part of just the bullpen it was like the bullpen of barstool bloggers and everybody's trying to find something there was only probably 10 of us at the time and the whole company was maybe 30 people there was like we didn't even fill up, we didn't even fill up one floor of that New York first office. Everyone was on

half of the floor. Right. And then eventually I remember it expanded to where the behind the scenes folks were on the other side of the room. And that was crazy. That was when like the editors were over there. John Kelly was over there. Um, uh, Alyssa, I believe was like, oh, it was like people moved over there and you were like, wow, they kind of got annexed over by the bathroom. Yeah. And that we couldn't even fill up one floor of an office. And now we've got, I mean, now people can't even get conference rooms at HQ3 in New York, which is a massive two floors. They just bought a whole second floor, like bought out the whole second floor. That office is enormous.

And people can't even get conference rooms there because there's so many fucking people. Jake Bass just said we're 12 episodes away from our 500th episode. I mean, that's insane. That's insane. What have we been doing it for five years? Six years? We started 2017 Waste Management Week,

which was like the first week in February. Oh, I remember that because we put out the, we are launching a four play brand teaser. We launched it during Super Bowl Week, which is usually a fucking no-no. Because at Barstles Sports, when it's Super Bowl week,

we blow it out. You know, like 75% of the company at that time goes down to the Super Bowl. They're doing live shows. They're doing run downs. And the focus is everybody talk about Barstall, the Super Bowl. And me and Riggs were like, hey, we're going to put out this two-minute teaser of us launching this new golf podcast.

And luckily, the teaser did really, really well. Otherwise, I think Dave would have been like, you guys are fucking stupid. And I'm putting an end of this golf podcast before it even starts. It's insanity that we did at Super Bowl week. We are so stupid. We, for months, we begged Dave. to Greenlight our golf podcast. We had Ashley Mayo from Golf Digest at the time, came into the office, and we did like a

test episode to prove that we could like interview other human beings and talk to other people and and like sent that to Dave for months. I remember at one point, Trent, you, you, I think you did all the behind the scenes yourself. We recorded an episode and we just tweeted out the link like it was our mixtape. We just like tweeted it out and we were like tracking how it was doing. I think we did it on SoundCloud. I think we were recorded on SoundCloud and we're like, hey, this is something that Riggs and I did. Like, if you want to listen, please do.

And I think a bunch of people listen to it. One person that didn't listen to the test episode, I'm pretty sure, was Dave. That's right. Didn't listen to it. And then one day he just walked over to you and I. We were talking about something. And he was like, all right, you guys can do it. I think foreplay and mixtape that you mentioned got greenlit at the same time.

It was like, all right, now we're going to start a golf brand and a basketball brand. And I remember at the time, I had just moved to New York a few months before that, and I had moved in with Kohl. Coley is a co-host of Mix tape or was. And so we lived together. We went home that night, and we were talking like,

all right, now you and I just have podcasts. So we're going to try and do our best with these. We don't know what we're doing. We're not like professional podcast hosts, but we now represent the golf and basketball brands of Barcelona sports. Like, hopefully it goes well for us. Insanity, that's exactly what happened. I mean, that is.

And, you know, I see one of my favorites that I get somebody DM me the other day. I was going through and responding to a couple of haters. I was on like a Frankie Borrelli trip where I was just responding to the haters. And one of the ones that gets sent occasionally is like, you know, it's so fucking obvious that you guys just raised your hands when Barstool said they needed to start a golf vertical and you guys aren't even golf. Guys, I can't believe there's no way they actually hired you guys as golf. People are like, no, they didn't. They actually didn't hire us as golf guys at all.

got hired for completely other things. And then we're like, by the way, we love talking about golf. Is it cool if we talk about golf? And Varsal was basically like, no. It was like, nope, just keep doing, keep doing your shit. We're like, all right. And man, it was, I want to say that. We got to talk about game time real quick. We'll talk about game time in a second. It made me think about how the Super Bowl and the Phoenix Open are the same week in Scottsdale. That's just going to burn, that's going to burn that that place to the ground. I don't know if it's going to be able to survive that. But, But that was the SoundCloud thing. I think when we tweeted out our SoundCloud, that was like, I want to say that was almost fall 2016.

Like there was still many months to go before we actually got our podcast greenlit. And it was, you know, it was a weird spot because we would send Dave test episodes. It's not like we did a million of them. We probably did a couple of them. And we're just like, hey, have you listened yet? You know, we think there's something here. and he obviously was never, under any circumstances, he's going to just listen to like,

I mean, me and Trent talk about golf. Like, there's no way he's going to do that. And he didn't. And yet one day, I don't, he must have come from a, he must have come from a meeting with Erica or something about like podcasts and how we should just try podcasts and was like, you know what? I think somebody in our company has been hitting me up about podcasts.

So I'm just going to greenlight them. Oh, yeah, it's basketball and golf. Sure. Like, I honestly think that's just what happened. And that's why we're here. I think that's right. And thank God that he did. And I, yeah, we got hired as bloggers. And I, I mean, I was blogging still up until a couple years ago. And then, you know, once we got so busy, we stopped. But yeah, people who were like, oh, you guys just fell ass backwards into this. That's partly true. But also we've been doing it. Like, there's also people who are like, you guys are just like, they don't know the backstory of how long we've been at Barstool. Like you've been there for, what, six or seven years now? I've been there like, almost nine years. Like for the people who just jump in and they see us and then they see one person be like,

oh, these guys fucking suck. And they're like, yeah, they don't know what they're doing. It's like we don't know what we're doing, but we've been around long enough that we kind of understand the tides a little bit. Yeah. To like to equate it to golf, we're not book smart or street smart when it comes to this gig, I would say. Like we don't really know what we're doing, but like we know we're doing more than pretty

much anybody else at the same time. And I do think it's. an interesting dynamic of the show that we're all three pretty much original barstool guys or maybe just one like one half layer removed from original like original original is kFC i would say like dan gaz dave obviously even like rear ads is in there but pretty much right after that is like you Nate dog and then me and borelli i mean i'm employee number 19 you're like what 12 or something? 12, yeah.

Your employee number 12 12 had parts. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy because it's grown so much. Like at the time, and we don't have to go fully down memory lane, but at the time when I got the job offer, it was big.

It was big to me, certainly. And it was big in the Northeast. It was huge there. It wasn't the national brand that it is now. So when I pitched it to my parents, because I had gone back to school, and I was blogging on the side, and I sold these shirts and whatever,

and then I sent it to date. and he read it and he liked it. So when I pitched it to my parents, it wasn't what it is now. It wasn't this national brand that everybody knows and all these live events. It was just this blog in the Northeast that was big up there, but it hadn't spread yet. So it was a tougher sell. But yeah, now we've just been around for a long time. The company's 350 odd people.

Like I'm number 12. You're number 19. That's crazy town. That is nuts. Dude, the first video I ever filmed when I went to London. and I know you have identical stories. I sent Dave an email. I was like, I kind of have this idea.

I'm going to get a USA onesie. I think they might vote to like leave Europe basically so I could go and do this funny bit about like independence. You guys finally figured it out. Welcome to the new age. And he's like, I love it. Just let me know what it costs and email me and I'll send you a check. And I added everything up like the flights, the onesie, you know,

a pair like USA sunglasses I bought. And it was like $1,200. And Dave just. mailed me a check for $1,200. That was literally the process. It wasn't the first video that I did, but when I went to New York for the first time, not to move, but to go make a video, Kevin, KFC, who was running the New York blog at that time, obviously, that was when the location still really mattered where it was like, you've got New York, you've got Chicago, you've got Philly. So Kevin went on vacation and Dave thought it would be

funny if I, from the Iowa guy, went to New York and just ran around in a corn suit, and like made a mockery of myself, which I ended up doing and it was a lot of fun. But it was the first time I met Hank, PMT Hank. He was just like a general barstool Milton producer at the time. So we met in New York. And I was like, how are we going to pay for all this stuff? Like we're going to go and try and do a bunch of stuff. And he just pulled out a big wad of cash from his pocket and was like, Dave gave me this.

And this is how we're going to pay for all the stuff we're going to do. I think it ended up being like $1,500, $2,000. And that's what we did. We used all of it. We made a couple of videos. and it was great. It was just stories like that really do remind you how far this company has come. And it's,

it's, it's cool when I meet people, a lot of them at the classic that have been reading Barstool as long as we have. Because you're like me, Frankie's like me. We're all identical in that. We were fans of Barstool. I mean,

I, you know, I still, I still think Dave Portnoy is the funniest person in the history of the internet. Like I, and that's why I started reading Dave in 2008, uh, in the library.

just like grinding trying to write papers and we would just share barstool articles back and forth. And to the point, man, like, would I still, what was it after the master's this year? I think it was after the masters this year when Dave texted me and was like, you want to do the rundown, talk golf. I was like, yep, I still get unbelievably nervous. Like when I'm and when I pop into that Zoom and it's me, Dave Portnoy and Dan Katz, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing here? I have never, I'm always as nervous as I've ever been in my life when Dave asked me to do a rundown. It's been that way since they, I was, I was around when they started doing the rundown. And when I would get, you know, it would be Millmore or Hank would text me being like, hey, Dave, wants you on the rundown.

And I would just pace. I would just pace and pace and pace. Because it is, I agree with you. I still think, you know, pump, we're pumping his tires. He is our boss. But it's true. I genuinely think he is the funniest guy in the internet. So to end up working for him, because I was a huge reader of his before I got hired for years.

And then when I finally ended up getting emails from him being like, hey, we like your blog. We're thinking about hiring you. I was like, I'm going to pass out. I'm so excited and nervous. But I'm completely the same way. Anytime I'm on a rundown or on a show, I just get very nervous about it. And I think that's still part of the magic. Like being an original-ish, an original-ish barstool guy, barstool person, you feel that.

talk about that a little bit on the DP show last night. I don't know if you listen to it, but Eddie was like, Eddie was like as the company gets bigger, you do sort of lose the people who live and breathe barstool. And Dave was like, that's nature of a business that we are. We're a huge entity now. And people are just, they want to jump on board because they see what barstool is. They know it is rocket fuel for potential influencers. But for guys like us, it was like, we watched these guys for years. We read them. We're like, these dudes are amazing. They're funny and they motivated us to eventually want to do what they were doing. Totally. We somehow got lucky enough where we did the right stuff and we put it in front of the right people at the right time. And we got hired and now we work with them under them. It's an amazing, amazing thing. It's 100% correct.

Everything you're saying is very, it's funny that we feel the exact same things. But it is like, man, tune it into those, you know, when I would go to my sales gig, come home, and then I would fire up the old school Skype rundowns with Dave and Dan and Kevin and they would be bickering about like deflategate and the latest news that came out and I'd be like I have to hear what these fucking guys are going to get at each other and you'd tune in and you'd see like you'd see that little smirk on Kevin's face and you'd see Dan just sitting there like pretty much not moving being like oh this is going to be something and then Dave would come in bitching it like Hank about his

fucking service or something and you'd be like, here we go. I've been waiting all day for this. And then you're on the other side of it where you're like, Dave Portnoy is going to present a topic and then he's going to look at me and he's going to in theory care what I have to say about it and respond to that. You're like, yeah, fucking right. And you've got to say something that's not going to get you buried. Totally. Totally. And it's like, fuck, how did we end up here? You know, I think about that all the time. And obviously, So we're pretty removed from that now. We get to do our own shit.

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And literally just email Dave all the time. I had stretches where I would email them every day. I had stretches where I would go weeks without it. But I pretty much would write blogs that no one read and just email them to Dave. And one day he fucking responded. And I was like, whoa, he just responded to my email from, you know, his, it was the real. And I just was guessing what his email address was. I had no idea. I would just... Really? Oh yeah. I didn't know. I thought he had posted a few things before, I think, where he kind of doxed his own email address, but like years prior. So I didn't know if it was active or anything. I had like five email addresses that I was like, I'm pretty sure it's got to be one of these. And I just would fire those off. And when he responded,

and I was like, oh my God. That's so crazy. Dude, I was correlating that with his tweets because he was tweeting about being on the train from, because he was going from Boston, New York at the time. So I was like, this seems real because he's clearly on a train. He was like tweeting about a stoolie or something on a train being like reading Barstool and not realizing that he was Dave or something like that at the time. So I was like, clearly he's on a train just going through shit on his phone because he's on a train. He's bored for four hours.

And this makes sense that he would be. And he emailed me back right away. We went back and forth like 10 times. He asked me a bunch of questions you're not allowed to ask people about hiring. Like how old are you? Like literally. You know, it's like all illegal. I got very lucky.

I sent one email and that was I got a response from that. So we had very, I sent mine to, there was the old tips at Barstool email where it was, um, reader, you know, they would do reader blogs where it's like send in a topic and we'll respond to it or send a question. And I just sent one to the general tips email. I think two days later I got an email from Dave's email and he was like, I'm in Turks and Kekos. I'm on vacation or wherever he was at the time. And it was like, but I'm getting back on Monday. So let's talk then.

So I don't know what he was on vacation, just sitting somewhere on an island. And he was reading email and was like, oh, I'll read this guy from Iowa. And he liked it. And that was it. How amazing is that? It's insane, dude. And so that, to bring it all full circle, when people were like, you guys kind of just got lucky and fell into this golf thing, like, yeah. And we did, but we're trying to make the most of the opportunity.

That's all we're trying to do. Totally. And I luckily, I think that our listeners and our people that watch all the videos at breaking 90, it come to the classic, they understand that like it's not an accident. The shit that goes into the behind the scenes to get us where we are is just relentless, relentless work. But on the surface, it is very funny to be like, yeah, I mean, it's a couple good breaks, really. Like if those breaks didn't happen, none of this, none of this exists. I agree. And now to go like about how outrageous it is is Tiger Woods. We got to talk about Tiger Woods. He was the, um, this really, this news started to break. As soon as we published our show on, uh, Tuesday, it kind of broke that Tiger Woods was heroically flying up from Florida on his private jet to Delaware, uh, Wilmington, where the BMW championship is this week to attend a meeting, um, that,

Rory McElroy and Tiger Woods set up and were essentially leading a meeting. They invited the top 20 players in the world and also a handful of other relevant stars, important names. I know Kiz was there. He's, I believe, like the chairman of the Players Council or something along those lines. So clearly he's involved in this type of stuff. He talks to Monahan all the time. But basically the biggest talent and stars in the game of golf on the PGA tour, were invited to this private meeting that lasted three and a half hours and Tiger Woods

flew up for it. Now, it was Alan Shipnuck, the fire pit collective boys who were fucking awesome. I love Maddie G. Shippy was on our show in May when his book about Phil came out, which is a great read. So those guys are awesome. Shipnuck broke the whole thing. I believe him was tweeting, you know, about Tiger. Hilarious storyline that Tiger's going to fly up in fucking Florida with his leg and the whole deal. and then he lands and you know only in tiger fashion there were 50 elements of the video that could be broken down I know I mean he came off his leg looked horrible I'll say that right out of the gate just and I you know I saw a bunch of people reply and being like I hope that legs just asleep from the flight and all kinds of stuff like that Kirk Minahan text me it was like Jesus the leg the guy almost amputated his fucking leg all right so the fact that he can even then fact that he made two cuts in major championship championships this year. Like, it seems to me, I can't even, when I see him walk out that, I'm like,

there's no way that guy's ever going to play golf again. He made two cuts of major championships this year. So that's a miracle. Yes, he's going to, he's going to be limping around and ship and he doesn't do ice pads and warmups and everything else. That's what I was thinking about. Like, when we see him at these majors and these golf tournaments, you got to remember that he probably woke up at 3 a.m. that day and has been working that leg and the day's coming up to it. Like, That whole day he's been taking ice bass. He's been getting massages. So when you see him at a major, you see him walking around, that is as good as that leg is going to look because he's put in the work.

And then yesterday, yeah, so what was it? It was a Tuesday afternoon. He's flying on his private jet, getting off and walking to the car. He's not going to look all that great. We all know that that leg is in horrific shape. And when you see it in a situation where he hasn't been working it all day, I would imagine, like he would. like he would be if there were a tournament that day, it's going to look really, really bad

and it did not look good at all. He's limping around. He's like dragging that thing around, basically, which again, I think, you know, when he makes those clunk, because I selfishly, when he makes the statements of like, I'm never going to be able to play a full PGA tour schedule again,

I'm like, no, no, you made cuts in majors. Like, you're fine. What are you talking about? You need to be more cut. You don't see what really goes into it. That thing, that leg, he's lucky he has it. It's clearly, I think he broke like every single bone in his foot and ankle and had all that put back together and then trying to somehow

weave the muscles in through there so that it works properly to the point where he could be an elite athlete at the top level of a game where there are now dozens of young athletic studs coming in and the fact that he beat a bunch of them multiple times this year and made cuts at majors it's fucking amazing so he's amazing he's the best it really this whole thing to really reminded me of how he is just a fishbowl guy and will be a fishbowl guy forever. There's nothing that man can do when he, the split second, his dome piece appeared from underneath that plane camera, zoomed, super zoomed in from like a fucking fence, which is a creepy camera, zoomed in on him, every detail of him getting into a Nissan and not a BMW.

you, every single footstep that man takes is documented and scrutinized on the internet, on TV. And it made me go, it made me flash right back to the Tiger Woods book, which is called Tiger Woods about, like, I feel bad for him in those moments. Like genuinely as a guy, yes, we've spoken with him. We walked up the fairway with him. We spent an hour with him at the PGA. So I do, like, ever sense that, I do see him more as a human being because he was just shooting the shit with us, which we've talked about on the show a lot, which was really cool. And I almost was just like, dude, you're just a person. And that person getting off of a plane and walking to a car and getting in the driver's seat, that was broken down. And we're going to, we're going to break it

down more. Was broken down on the internet for fucking days that's broken down. Yeah. I mean, you know, fortunately or unfortunately, that's what comes with the territory, territory of being just an absolute phenom, one of the best, best, best athletes ever. Like, I mean, it's unfortunate because we did walk with him at the PGA. And getting to see his view was stunning. Just walking up a fairway and it's all cameras at you. And the great thing about him, it seems these days, is he doesn't even notice it because he's been around it so much.

He's just kind of like, yeah, he's talking to us. And I'm looking like, we've got probably 10,000 camera phones on us right now. and he doesn't even notice. So it is going to be like that forever. Like he hasn't been, obviously, the winning machine that he was in the early, mid-lateish 2000s,

but he's still Tiger Woods and people are still super interested in what he's doing at all times. And I do want to talk about him getting into the driver's seat because I know that was pretty much everyone's takeaway. Everybody was making the same joke. Everyone was talking about the same thing. But I genuinely want to say that I don't think he should be driving.

anymore. And it's clear now that he's stubborn about it. Like he wants to drive. Like there were clear, like Ricky Fowler was in the passenger seat of that car, has a driver's license, I would imagine, hasn't been in so many car wrecks as Tiger Woods has. Like if he just swaps and Tigers in the passenger seat and Ricky's driving, there's not this entire wave of conversation on social media being like, why does this guy continue to drive? And I think it's becoming clear to me that he's stubborn. Like, When they got off that plane, I think he said, I'm driving. I'm driving. He loves to drive, even though, you know, history would say that he's not that great at it, but he loves to drive. It's getting to the point now where he's like an old man. He's an old man, but I'm talking like 80 years old

where, you know, your grandpa, eventually you got to take the keys away from your grandpa. And he is at that stage now at 45, just because he's been in so many bad situations in a car. Somebody's got to take those keys away from him. Dude, old people, I had to run in this morning. Old people, you know, I would say like, once you get to pure like white hair old, so I don't know if that's 70 plus, let's call it like, you know, 75 maybe. Is it? Yeah, no, 70 plus because I would consider like cousin Mike and cousin Murray, who you and I both

did a radio show with them. When we were doing those shows, they were like 72 and they were old. They were just old people at that point. I would say like that, that demographic of person, They do not in any way care about you on the road in in any way. And this morning I was, I went, I drove over to get coffee at Agora, which is in the village of Pynhurst here. And there's just an old, old couple driving in front of me. And the guy just, I can tell he's looking for a parking spot and there's spots over on the left on the street and spots on the right.

And he just drifted right across the middle of the road into the other lane. no turn signal, no like directed movement. He didn't like target a parking spot and was like moving into it. He just drifted that way, just kind of generally sensing the situation and was just looking around, no turn signal, and then just kind of drifted back into his actual lane. And then finally just kind of made a left and found a spot and didn't at any point, at no point, no point did his speed change. His speed was identical, this whole process.

to the point when when the car fully stopped. It just, he just was, he was just softly sort of drifting through life on the road. And I'm like, that's just unbelievably dangerous and illegal. But he's so old that it was like, yeah, no, that's, that's just how he's going to drive. It's like the old, it's the old Seinfeld bit with, which is exactly what we're talking about, where it's like, you get to a certain age where you don't look back when you're back and out, you're just like, I'm coming. I'm coming back.

It's up to you, the other drivers to figure out how you're going to avoid. hitting my car. Once you reach a certain age, it's no longer up to me. It was like at first, my first inclination was like, what the fuck is this drunk idiot doing? I got a look at the person and was like, oh, it's old person. Like totally fine. I got to just my, my caution level needs to be higher. I got to, this is his road now and I have to figure out how to not crash into this person. So, so yeah, I think Tiger has pretty much reached that level. I think we've discussed this before, but I do think for Tiger and I couldn't agree with you more, he should be. not be driving as a fan, as a friend of his, as his brother.

He should absolutely not be driving under any circumstances. But I do think it's very clear that that is one of his things that as the fishbowl guy, he gets to drive a car. It's independent. It makes him feel like a real person. He gets to dictate where he actually goes, right? Because his whole life has dictated for him, his schedule, what commitments he has, what appearance he has to make.

It's all dictated for him. He doesn't really get to decide. driving he gets to decide. He gets to decide if he goes left or goes right. Unfortunately, he has decided to drive off cliffs and into fucking fire hydrants and to think that he's in Orange County when he was in Jupiter. Fuck the Jupiter police, by the way, still. But the point is that I think he, I am totally hypothesizing, but I believe that he uses that or he feels that as like, I get to be a normal person and drive around this earth wherever I want. And nobody really knows who I am because I'm inside of a vehicle.

And I think that I'm theorizing that that's why he likes to drive so much. I think that's a super interesting and valid point. He doesn't ever get to decide what he's doing normally. So he decides to drive and he can make those decisions. Actually, makes me think that's why his fashion is so crazy. It's like he gets to choose when he's not on a golf course because they tell like, Nike's like, these are the things they're going to wear. And on Sunday he knows what he's going to wear.

But on a regular day, he gets to choose his own outfit. He's a bit like Frankenstein and Big Daddy when he just wears whatever he gets to pick and wear whatever he wants. And Adam Sandler's like, all right, I guess you get to wear that today. 100%. He's like a five-year-old child. It's like his revolting against the world when he gets to dress himself. He's like, fuck you.

I'm going to dress like a total asshole. That is, that's super interesting. The point that you made about driving, like I wonder what aspects of Tiger's life are like that. Driving is like that. What he decides to wear, not on a golf course is like that. Those two are for sure.

I wonder if there's other parts of his life that he's like that. Dude, he's like a Catholic school girl who's got the skirt and the uniform. And then the second she gets home, it's like got Gothic tattoos. she's got a chain on she's like fuck you he's wearing a flannel walking around in august in fucking delaware it's unbelievable he's got all these he's got this repressed independence that when it's able to come out it's crazy his fashion's crazy his driving's crazy it's just it comes out in

such an extreme way go off king i want him like yeah fucking i do want him to come out with a chain you know i one on them like or or uh what it's like those those oh a choker if he came out with like a choker with a choker with a spike on it and was just like yeah fuck everyone i don't have my Nike golf outfit on i'm a rebel so yeah i think that is kind of what we get from him you know and he did he had like he had that phase where he had the frosted tips remember that he had like the blonde frosted tip hair so yeah i think that's part of it and and he does he does look ridiculous and he's going to get he's going to get scrutinized for everything um so then he jumps into the nissons We got to talk about the Nissan.