Fore Play - Moving Full Swing Ahead

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

Tiger Woods returned, looked solid, and stirred up plenty of chatter. Netflix’s Full Swing is garnering much attention, in a great way. Jon Rahm is unflappable in yet another victory, while Max Homa is graciously lovable in defeat. Dan has a special question, the Tour is currently shining while LIV is quiet, and Microsoft’s artificially intelligent chatbot is becoming a serious, serious problem.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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The bow tie meets the electric vehicles from bolt to blazer. Equinox silver out of the whole deal. Boys, we got a lot to get to because golf's fucking hot right now. That's just the best way to describe it. Golf is on Fuego. What a week. What a week from our guy.

Tiger Woods. There's a lot to discuss from Wednesday through Sunday. He played and walked 18 holes every single day. His best round of the week was his third round, which is an insanely important sign that that deep into the week, he could look that good. I don't think we've had anything this promising since pre-accident, not even close.

John Rom has vaulted to Tiger level level of golf. He's won five of his last nine starts three so far this season. He's the fastest guy to get to three, I think, since the mid-1970s. Fastest guy this early in the season to get the three wins since the 70s, Johnny Miller, Max Homa somehow in defeat, vaulted himself even farther in the hearts and minds of people that are golf fans all around the country. We got more Netflix stuff to get to. Dan Rapport, I even realize, is more in the Netflix thing that I could have possibly

imagine so a lot going on we got myself dan frankie and trent hey boys tiger woods man tiger fucking woods he's just got the juice it's just different i don't care if that guy plays minigolf you're just going to watch it and you're going to enjoy it and you're going to be stuck and glued to your tv from the second he steps out of his car into the second he goes back into it to watch him do what he did this week was fucking incredible i know dan was on uh he was on location getting all the scoops. I mean, I even, I texted Joey being like, how happy are you that that your guy just did it?

And he's like, I can't believe how good he looked throughout the weekend. Like, this is promising stuff. Like, the fact that we have promising stuff when every other time we've seen him in recent, in recent years, it's been not promising stuff is incredible. Like, we now are building towards something, guys. And that hasn't happened in a long time. The last time we saw him at the Open Championship, it honestly felt like. and we don't like to talk about this,

but it felt like there's a chance that was truly on the downhill side of the slope and towards the bottom and it was only going to go down from there. He had skipped the U.S. Open to prepare for the Open Championship. He had literally gone over there early, which we kind of laughed about months before, to prepare for the 150th at the old course. His favorite course in the world, he's won two times there, once by eight shots, one by five shots.

He loves it there, and he showed up and played like, shit and you're like man that's not good it's been a year and a half since the accident he's all this you know this should have gone better if there were ever going to be signs of progress that this would have been one of them or it would have been more positive than this fuck and he's walking up and he's crying going across the swelken bridge and the biggest thing we could get hyped about is that he like didn't stop and take the jack nicholas photo and now here he comes and he shows up he plays in it turn he didn't think he's going to play in and then he comes out he looks fucking fantastic in the first round. He's got 180 ball speed. He's hitting it past Rour. He's

hitting it past JT. People are like, what the fuck? Comes out Friday, a little bit of a lull, and you're thinking, oh, no, here we go. And then Saturday, he makes the Eagle. He gets the five under one point finishes four under 67. For that to have been the fourth round of the week that he walked 18 holes, if you include the pro am, for that to be in a week where he's got, it's chilly outside. He's playing in the mornings where, again, it's not that warm yet. He's all tight. He's got the back and the leg and the whole deal. For it to be four rounds in and for him to still have the speed, still play that well,

that deep end of the week, that's fucking progress. That gives us incredible optimism for this fucking guy going forward. Yeah, look, it's really, if we think about the two tournaments that he played last year and made the cut, he basically collapsed over the weekend. At the Masters, he shot 78 on Saturday, which was his worst score as a professional at masters. Then he shot it again on Sunday and it was like it's pretty hard to watch. And then if we remember at Southern Hills in the PGA championship, he shot 79 on Saturday, and then he withdrew because of how much pain he was in. So to shoot 67 at Riviera, which was I think like the third maybe

best round of the day, yeah, to do that on Saturday was definitely the clearest sign of progress that we've seen. And he looks better in person. Like the walk has improved. He said last year that, you know, I don't know if it's going to ever get better. And then this week, he kept on talking about how much stronger he was, how much stronger the leg was, how much stronger the core was. And the game just looked, it looked easier. It looked, even when he shot a couple of decent rounds last year, I remember he shot 71, I think, in the opening round of the Masters.

And he shot that 69 on Friday at the PGA to make the cut. It didn't feel quite as sustainable. There was a couple of long putts. He looked bad at certain moments. He was hitting this weak cut that was like 165-mile ball speed. it wasn't like that on on Saturday for sure i mean i was talking to the guys he played with after the round matia schwab and i was like what did you think he was like it was super super impressive and he didn't he didn't really hit a bad shot that's what the guys that's how they used to talk about tiger was that

he just he just didn't really hit any bad shots he was out driving those guys who are perfectly healthy 27 year olds basically the whole day um it's interesting he talked about how he's doing it more with his core now he's not really pushing off the ground but he's figuring it out i it really feels like he's figuring it out. The question now is, can he play enough to get sharp? Because in 2018, he played 19 events in 2018 and then five more in 2019 before he won the Masters. So he got into competitive shape. He didn't have those seven, those lackluster 74s that he had this week or 174 and 173. The question is, can he by playing five or six or maybe seven events a year become sharp enough to beat these guys because they're better than ever?

John Rahm is just doing incredible things. It's a monumental task, but it feels more possible than it did five days ago. I'd also say, you know, we talk a lot about what his body has been through. We also don't talk about it enough. Like, it's the number one story about him the last couple years, but we still don't talk about it enough. I was thinking over the weekend, if you, you know, it'd be inhumane. But if you simulated what his body has been through throughout his life, if you did that to me, I would have quit so long ago.

Like, I would have just, and I think that's the majority of the population. There's a lot of talk with him about how mentally strong he is. And that has never been clearer than what's been going on the last couple of years, and specifically this last weekend at Riviera. The fact that he can even wake up in the morning and be like, I'm going to play golf competitively is insane. The fact that he can shoot a 67 on a Saturday, you know, in an event like that is insane. Like I said, if you put me through those things, I would have quit probably the first sign of my knee or my back hurting.

I would have been like, I don't know, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm going to pick up some other profession. Think about all of the things that he's been through. Yes, some of them have been self-inflicted. That's, you know, that's no secret. But the fact that he has gone through all of them and can still play at this level and still wants to play at this level is fucking nuts. Dude, think about 2019 when he won that master's the reason why it was one of the

greatest, like, comebacks and wins in all sports history is because of his back issues and like the fact that we never thought that he would play golf again. And now we watch him and we don't even think about the back. It's all about his leg. Like I'm legitimately watching him like, how's his leg feeling? Is he limping? We're not even thinking about the thing that he had to get over that made his win the greatest win of all time. Like how insane is that?

That we're not even thinking about like, we should still be like, how is he playing with that back? Because it was that crazy in 2019. It was that insane that he did that. How is he doing that now? But we're not even thinking about it because he has so many other problems. It just shows you how much he, go ahead. When he had the leg injury. And the accident, the whole deal, he wasn't playing that week because of his back.

Like, he that was two years ago. He literally didn't play. It was in the booth clearly on some sort of medication trying to get through it. He's slurring his words getting through it. And Nance because his back was so bad. And then he drove off a cliff, almost died, almost had to amputate his leg. Now he comes back. So, yeah, he's got that, him talking about changing his swing to the point where he can't push off the ground.

So, yeah, now he's using his core strength and his arms. And I'm hearing the coverage. They're talking about there's three different ways that you can actually you know, generate the speed and tigers at the part where he's got to use his core and his arms and his upper body instead of pushing off the ground and that he's trying to protect the rest of the body with that. Like, this guy has gone through all of this to figure it the fuck out. And, you know, this has been when we've been up against it forever. I know Frank, he was just on the rundown defending Tiger Woods. We've been on the rundown. We've been on bars to radio. We've been up against it for everybody.

And when he won in 2019, when he won the tour championship in 2018, we resurfaced all these clips. because the easiest take in the world is that Tiger Woods is done. You could just say that over and over and over and over and over and over again, because someday you will be right. You'll absolutely be right. Let's pick the year like 2050. In 2050, Tiger Woods will not be able to win a golf tournament. So between now and then at some point, he will be declared done and those people will be right.

The hard thing in the world is to take this stance at this fucking guy, like Frankie said, doesn't even have a back that would be feasible for any human to use. doesn't have a leg to the point where he has to limp around, is still hitting it 180 ball speed, is still getting out there hours before his round, grinding through to get his leg and his body into a position where he could go out there and try to learn how to compete again. And then fucking doing it.

And yes, he had a couple lackless of rounds. We're not going to like ignore that. And people are like, oh, I can't believe you're this hyped about a guy that finished, you know, 18 shots back or whatever. That's just a moronic approach to somebody who doesn't understand sports and this man and the fact that we are admitting he's not going to be able to have a run like John Rahm is having right now. He's not going to get to number one in the world where he wins

consistently like he did when he was fucking the real Tiger Woods. But he has proven that somehow after two fucking years in the accident, the whole deal, he is in a position where he's better than he was last year, clearly, clearly in a better position than he was last year. He has the tools from a skill standpoint, speed standpoint, to still post rounds like a He's four under 67 at Riviera, which if he posted a four under every round this week, he would have finished in second place in the tournament. So obviously he could do that golfs about consistency, not just one round, all that. But he clearly possesses the ability to do it.

And that's so exciting because when he plays in the Masters or the Open at Hoylake where he's won before or any other tournament, there's a chance that if everything comes together, there's a very realistic chance that he could actually win another tournament. And that's fucking amazing. Like, that is amazing. It's surreal to be saying. Look, he shot one over on the first two rounds and then he shot two under on the weekend. So if we just just put it there, he was better over the weekend than he was over the first two rounds.

It was so nice watching him. And I think Trent, well, you were talking about the mental toughness and even wanting to continue playing, it's based on a deep, deep love of competition and the fraternity. He was so happy this week. He was so happy to be out there. He couldn't wipe the smile off his face all week. Playing with JT and Rory, those are obviously two of his best pals.

He was obviously in a very joking mood. We can obviously get into that if we want to. The tampon you're talking about? Yeah, the tampon gate. He was just so happy. That's why I got brought on to the rundown if we want to keep that relevant. Some futuristic talk coming up on the later part of this show. This ad's coming in before that.

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I know. Well, I wanted to say Chevy. How many followers on Instagram? Yeah. Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase. Chevrolet Chase? He doesn't seem like, I didn't even know he had an Instagram.

I'm going to say like 15,000. Yeah, I'm going to say a couple, I'm going to say a couple hundred thousand, 200,000. Yeah, it's 24,000. I thought that was low. I thought that was low for one of the best comedic minds in the history of the world. There's no denying that, but it's not really his medium. Yeah. I don't know.

I didn't even know he had Instagram either. but I thought maybe he'd be like a quirky guy that was like putting up daily videos of himself, you know, and I thought that'd be like a fun follow. Steve Martin kind of does that on, on Twitter. It's a nice follow.

That's what I mean. Does Steve Martin have a Twitter on Instagram? I don't know. Oh, yeah. Steve Martin only has 67,000 followers. This is insane. What's just not their generation, dude? I know.

It's weird. That's weird. Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase. Dan, you're in the media. at these events and I guess Dave Portnoy is now switched his hate for Tiger Woods into like it's not about the player it's not about he like he hates the Tiger fans but he also hates that Tiger is a phony quote unquote that he won't just come out and be like to the media be like

yeah I gave a tampon it's a joke like deal with it and then just like go on and be like this like we call him Darth Vader like he's supposed to be this like killer of enemies like why I even apologize and like say the right thing my point on the rundown was like Why does Tiger Woods have to be the leader against like the PC culture police and all these people that are like, I mean, every athlete in the world just gives the correct answer at these press conferences and they just leave. Do you feel like Tiger is like a fake person when it comes to. Because I get what Dave's saying. Like Dave, like, I mean, Tiger will like say crazy shit to like his buddies. But isn't that how the rest of the world works?

I don't know why Tiger's any different. A hundred percent I agree with you. We all say things on the golf course to our friends that we wouldn't want publicized around the world. So there's sort of two things with the tampon. Like number one is the stupidity of, of doing it in public, right? Like whether you agree with the joke or not, just like he's got to know that there's going to be cameras there.

And he's so many cameras, and he's every single thing. You're walking around watching the guy and every single person is filming every single step. So he had to have known that that was going to get out, but I guess he didn't think it would. So you put that aside and look at more like in principle, the joke itself. Like,

I just come back to, we can't have rules for thee and not rules for me. And like, I just know that I wouldn't want the way I talk to my friends on the golf course to be how people judge me as a human being. And I completely agree with you, Frankie. And like, there's no benefit for him in taking a stand. Why would he, why would he do it? He's got a daughter.

He's got a whole company where, you know, a lot of women work. And so he's obviously doesn't want to make them upset. He never intended for this to get to get out. He probably should have just put the. tampon in JT's locker and nothing would have happened. But yeah, to expect him to be the one who's going to go up there and be like, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to take all the heat. Because if he doubled down, the outrage would have been 10 times more. It would have been 10 times more.

And it would have changed everyone's perception of him. There would have been a piece of the population that would really not like him. It would be super negative for his public image. So I don't really understand that argument. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just, who gives a fuck? Who gives a flying fuck?

At the end of the day, it's a funny little prank amongst the buddy. if he like I bet he didn't calculate a whole lot of like whether people see it or not because he's like who gives a fuck I'm just chirping j t a little bit right it's a quick little thing it's fucking over who gives a flying fuck I don't even think the people that wrote the articles give a fuck dude that was that was exactly what I was going to say I don't think anyone on either side of this argument actually cares and that is evidenced by it's Monday it happened Friday nobody cares nobody is still taught I genuinely think and you you spend enough time on the internet you things will come around that you see that every Everyone just wants to like spar. They want to be like, all right, this is something I can talk about. This is something I can voice my opinion through this topic. And that became the tampon thing became that. People were like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened. And then there's other people being like, this is not the word.

Like you are crazy for saying that this is the worst thing ever happened. I think both those sides, they just don't care. And once the internet moves so fast, everything moves so fast that, all right, he apologized, whatever. And then no one's talking about it. Right. And if he doubled down. it would have given it new life.

And he would never do that because it's like there's no reason to. No, it was the right move by him. Just be like, yep, sorry if I offend anybody bang on to the next thing. He doesn't give a fuck. He's on his jet.

He's going to hang out with his kids. Everything's fine. I agree. I don't think anybody, the only people I think actually ended up caring were the people that got so upset at the people that thought it was a bad thing. And those people didn't even actually care. So that's my thing is they literally just saw Tiger Woods is trending.

Here's a thing, Tampa. I could take this kind of. stance that'll get clicks and they don't really actually give a fuck and then the people that actually saw them do that were like they're making a thing out of this and those are the people that got the most upset in my opinion whereas in reality nobody cared and anybody that actually was upset are so bad shit crazy that they were already off the reservation like those people it's not like they went from really rational normal people to like this is the thing that sent them over the edge

anybody that was genuinely upset about that we lost them a long time ago those yeah you know who really rose a lot in my books was Brandel because right after it happened on Golf Channel, he was presented with I think it was like, I'm extremely upset. She was upset. She said to Brando, I am extremely offended by this. What's your take? And Brandel has

to now either succumb to believing in what she's saying where it's like, I agree. That's the worst thing that's ever happened on a golf course. Or he said what he said where he's like, dumb, dumb to do it there. Joke. It is a joke. but like why are people allowed to be dumb anymore?

Why does making a joke like this become who you are and like the like kind of what Dan was saying, like the thoughts that you have on the world? Like why do we cement your beliefs and your viewership of the world and like you being a role model? Why does that all come down to every single dumb thing that happens? Why can't we just say it was a joke that happened in a dumb place? He can maybe say, I'm sorry for doing it in that spot, whatever. if anyone actually cares about this tampon and what it means to women and all this stuff. Like, I'm sorry for that.

But this is a joke that I was going to make anyway because it's a funny joke that me and JT talk about all the time. And I didn't think that anyone was going to get hurt by this. But like Brandl really handled that well because he's still, he brought like reality back into that conversation. And that's where I was like, and even Kara was like, yeah, I see what you're saying. She's like, we all love Tiger Woods. I just wish he didn't do it there. But that's, you have to have a conversation.

The conversation has to be had because when someone just throws a headline out there, where it's like, I'm offended by this and it's the worst thing that's ever happened. Right. There is not usually that brand. It's like, why? Why are you saying that? So I actually thought that was a pretty good back and forth. Yeah, that's a social media thing where everything that you do defines what you are.

No matter what it is, whether it's good or it's bad or if it's in whatever, however you feel about it, every action that you make is what you are now defined by, which is insane. And it changes week by week. The crowd loved it. This is going to shock you. The crowd loved it. The amount of times, the amount of times that I heard, because he was out driving. Crazy. It's like he was, he was.

And I was out driving these guys all week. And the amount of times that I heard people being like, Tiger, give him a tampon. Mike Tiger, give him a tampax all weekend long. I would also say we're a part of this. Like, Riggs and I are sitting here with tiger shirts on. So of course we're going to be like, we don't fuck. Like it's, but I, I genuinely think that every little action that you make, where's my tiger shirt should not define who you are. That's really where it ends.

And I agree with what Brandel's saying. Yep. Yeah. And look like that he didn't make some big public presentation to try to take a stand with like female products and how he literally made a joke with his buddy in private basically. And so that again is where it gets in order. It's like if you truly want and you think this guy's making this, uh, trying to make this point in this public conversation about like men and and women and then like, okay, fine. That's a separate conversation. He's making a fucking joke with his buddy. in the middle of a tournament that everybody understands and laughs at. And if you don't find it particularly funny or you're offended by it, like, okay, if that's the biggest issue in your life is that you got a little offended by something,

you're doing fucking great. Life's amazing at that point. Life's really incredibly fantastic. There's a lot of shit going on. Things are blowing up like crazy. I will say, every other day something's blowing up in Ohio. Because I got a little offended by that tampon thing.

You're like, what a Friday you had then. It is a big negative. It is crazy. And I don't. don't know what he thought going into it, but that was getting caught no matter what. That might be, that's an interesting part of work. I don't think he anticipated how fucking HD that photo was. I mean, who the hell took that photo? It was like, um, it was like a stakeout of mafia guys where they have like the,

the wide shot and then the zoomed in shot and you can hear the clicking going on because they're inside their SUV like 10 miles away. Yeah. That was, I thought it was fake because of how clear it was. Like the Tampax logo was very visible. I thought it was a deep fake because it was like, what are the odds that have this resolution and that the Tampax logo is in the little part of his of his hand that is visible. Have they used it as like marketing yet? I mean, I'm assuming that they probably would have. We got to get to the real issue with this guy, which is his putting. If he just made a couple putts this week, like, you know, he ended up playing well obviously when he shot the 67, but that Friday round, he was still flag hunting. Like I was so frustrated watching that Friday round because he was over par,

not scoring well, but was hitting it great. He was hitting it fantastically, hitting greens. In the first couple holes, you're like, this guy's missed every single putt. Is it like, do you think it's just not playing a lot where he's just not reading the greens correctly and he's just like not has it, he doesn't have a confident stroke because I don't understand why the putting would go away. It's the only thing he can practice. It's the only thing he can do all the time.

I do think it's a sharpness thing. It's just like getting tournament rounds under his belt. Like he played his way into shape in 2018 and 2019. And it's like you can practice all you want at home. But Riviera's greens are fast as hell and they're slopy and you don't get that in Florida. And it's just different putting under pressure. Like he was saying all week that he felt nerves. And he's not going to feel those same nerves if it's his third start in six weeks.

You know, the problem is that that's just never going to happen again. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I agree with you. Like it felt, it never really felt like he was hitting the ball poorly. No. Ever. He was almost like kind of just flushed it throughout the entire weekend, which was such a promising

sign and it is hard when you are when he's hitting it in there tight or when he chips it up there pretty close and was missing short putts which he felt like he did a lot that you're like man you lose momentum and all of that but i would way rather it the other way around than like if he's you know if he can't really move his body and he's spraying it or he's hitting it you know 255 off the tea and he's like trying to get up making some putts yeah which is kind of what it's felt like at times whereas this was like all right we can hopefully shore up the putting or he'll be on, you know, he hasn't had much relative success at Riviera when he goes to a place like Augusta or if he plays up a hill or if he goes to Hoylake where he's won like, and he feels

better on those greens, then hopefully he'll put better. But it does feel like he can, you know, if the swing is there, that's fucking huge. And the speed is there. That's huge. It wasn't infuriating to watch. But yeah, it just feels to me like I would rather have it that way than the other way around. The walking was great too. And he was like showing his ankle a lot more, like constantly taking his shoe.

shoe off, reapplying tape to the heel, like figuring it. I mean, his warm up, he takes a shoe off like after every single swing and was like readjusting on how he could walk. And you could tell he's walking a lot more heel to toe like Dan was saying on the last show where it's like he's actually he's, he's putting in a real stride than he ever did. Even on Sunday walking up the stairs, it was incredible. So Dan, I saw you mention this. He started reaching down to get the ball out of the hole using his right leg. Had he not been doing that before? I don't remember. I don't know if he didn't do it at all, but he definitely did it more, more frequent. Like, he was clearly protecting his leg less. And, and whether that was him trying to, you know, gesture that he's, he's show strength,

because he said after the tournament that he definitely masked how painful it was. And he's very big about not showing any weakness. But yeah, to see him bending down, he didn't do any of those weird squats when he's reading the green like Brooks does, right? Where he like kind of straightens his right leg. He didn't, he picked up his T bending his right leg a lot. It was, it was really, really promising. And it's, it feels good to just have a little bit of positivity in the Tiger Woods ecosystem right now. There were a couple times where they zoomed in on his face and he was close his eyes and like take a really deep breath. And I was thinking like, is that guy just trying to like, has he been seeing somebody to like block out the pain? Like has Tiger gotten to the point now where he's like doing mental exercises to eliminate pain from his brain?

I bet you he is. I feel like he's doing that since he was five. Right. But like he's been listening to tapes since he was like four years old. Yeah. But like real like trauma shit like where you like have to just because they always say like pain is in the brain. Like if you don't think about it like it doesn't hurt or like you know if your leg is burning and then you like blow off your hand. And all you think about is your hand.

Like you don't even think about your leg. Like this guy, this guy might be thinking about other. I know. But they have a lot of like. A lot of trials from that. Yeah. People like, all right. Right.

I do you're right. I do wish he could play every. real quick. Exactly. Yeah. Did your leg doesn't hurt anymore? Right. Exactly.

I wish he could play every round with Rory and J.T. that was really fun watching those guys. And he clearly, that puts him in a great mood. And I think, I just wish I could watch those guys play every single time. That video of J.T. and Tiger and the look they gave each other after Tiger finished out on 18 on Thursday was one of, I was so glad like it got millions of views because clearly what's so amazing is like how powerful just a look can be and how every human that saw that understood that look between Tiger and J.T.

of two guys who spent a lot of time together who talk about golf a lot. One guy, J.T. has witnessed the other guy, Tiger, and how low he's been and how uncertain everything was. And J.T. looking at Tiger like, you motherfucker, like you did it. Like, holy shit. And Tiger just looking back at him, like, how about that? I mean, it was so fucking good. Oh, cool. I mean, I'm just, I'm scrolling down this list, right, of guys that he beat. It's a lot of really, really good players that he beat for the week.

He beat Sung J.M. He beat Adam Scott. He beat Matt Fitzpatrick. He beat Jordan Speef. He beat Justin Rose. He beat Hideki Matsuyama. These guys are healthy. These guys are healthy in their 20s.

Alex Norn. We don't even talk about that. But it's just, you know, he's, he's a cyborg, man. He's just so much what comes, what comes into my brain is like, if you're one of these guys who is, healthy and you're training and you're doing everything you're playing every week and this guy beats you. Are you thinking? This guy is just so much better than me at actual golf that he can do this. You know, like when he shot 71 at the Masters after these guys were visiting him on his deathbed and he beat Rory by four shots like what's going through their heads when they're losing to

this guy? I was just, I was trying to find it. I couldn't find it. I saw odds for the Masters as soon as the tournament got over and Tiger's odds now, you know, they obviously want to put him in a place where people were going to bet him. But I saw he had the same. I saw he had the same. Am odds to win the Masters as Tom Kim. It's like what the fuck, dude. It's crazy, but I know exactly what you mean. Like these guys definitely got to be thinking what, how is this guy been through all that he's been through and he's still playing better golf than you.

Yet on one side, it makes sense because he's the greatest player to ever pick up a golf club. Like, you know, it's like, oh, his hands, his arms are just unbelievable. The guy that's done it better than anyone else has ever done it, ever. also can hit it with 180 ball speed. So like, of course, yeah, he's just going to kind of figure it out. You know, and it was like there's like a certain number of golf like the whole game is still just, okay, he's standing on the tee or he's standing in the fairway to like a middle right pin with a nine iron in his head. Like he's probably going to hit that pretty close to the hole.

Like that's just what he like Jack Nicholas could still do that occasionally. And he's fucking a million years. So it's like he's just that at some level that's golf. Now, yes, he's rusty and he has his shoes. But, like, a lot of the time, okay, standing on a tee with a driver in his hand, the ball's teed up in the fucking air. And he's going to cut one out there into the fairway.

Like, of course he could do that. He's really testing. I will say he's really testing the theory, though. Like, how far can you push your body and still be able to play golf? There's no one even in his stratosphere who has, who've put their body through more and still been able to play golf. He writes the book, bro. He does.

What do you think his world ranking would be in a cart? If everyone was in a cart, Where do you think he is in the world? Because, my God. I mean, I really do think, like, if you gave all these guys a card, it wouldn't make a difference for the other guys. It would make a massive difference for him. Yeah. What's his world ranking right now?

I think he moved back in the top thousand. I think he's like in the 900s now. That's right. That's big stuff. That's big. Yeah, I mean. 172 or something like that. I just couldn't even see that.

So he got up in in 2019 when he, like, at his peak in that return. He got up to what, like sixth or eighth in the world or something? I think he was, I think it was like six, maybe even five for one a week. Yeah, he got up to almost back to number one, which is astounding. So yeah, I mean, I'm looking here. Like I see it like the 12, 13, 14 range is like Tony feet out fits, burns, Tom Kim. Like, I could see him getting up in there with a cart. You know, 100%. That's like 10th, 11, 12th. Like I could see him in there. Yeah. I don't know if he's passing John Rom though. That guy's a wagon. Dude, see, this is the thing, right? And we love John Rom because we had him on the show when he was. as good as can be. But while you're talking about all this Tiger stuff and like, oh, my gosh, he could maybe win again. You got to, you got to contextualize it and you got to worry about the people who are playing

incredibly good golf. And I don't think anybody, well, nobody is playing better than John Rom right now. So he's going to be standing in Tiger's way no matter what. And that's the other problem is that he's only going to play the elite events. He's never going to play, you know,

Puerto Rico. He's only playing the designated events where by rule, all of these guys have to play now. This could be a dumb question. Shouldn't he, It is a dumb question. It sounds like she should play an event that's not a designated event. Oh, John Deere.

Like the Midwest on fire, maybe. And let's just do it. Get a W under your belt. There's nothing that, there's no event that Tiger could, like, just not be able to play because of his status. Like, Tiger's just completely just free to play in, except for the playoffs.

But every PGA tour event major forever, he's just a lot to play in no matter what? They'll find a, they'll find a category for him. Okay. Yeah, because he has a, he has, if you win, what, 25 times on tour, you get a lifetime membership? 20.

And he's on that over, he's on that four times over. And then, and then yeah, I was thinking Masters you can play forever. And then the other three, I mean, he's won them so,

but they're just going to give them an exemption. He's not, you know, but he also just won the Masters four years ago. So he's still in those tournaments. Right. Rom was,

Rom was, um, obviously knows his Tiger stats because he was, he was listing them off in his press conference. And then he said that, and this is true, that in not, just 1999,

in 2000. So if he only played two years, he would have 17 wins and four major championships, which is a better career than Jordan Speeth has had. Huh. This fucking crazy, dude. It's crazy. If he did what? Just 99 in 2000. Just 99 and 2000.

17 wins and four majors. Yeah, I mean, there was a while there. He was ripping off five like it was no problem. He was like five a year. You can mark me down for five of them. It's like, what? How good is that? Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah, his stats are unbelievable. But anyways, What a week for Tiger.

A lot of positives take away. He shot one under. He tied for 45th, 69, 74, 6773. Obviously, the chatter is now when do you think we'll see him again? It's hard to talk about because I don't think he knows. He's going to take this week, he said, and kind of see where he's at Thursday, Friday. You know, I think a lot of people are thinking he might play the players championship, which is essentially in three weeks.

You know, there's some hope that he would maybe play Bay Hill, but that's coming up quickly. That's next week, right? I think there's no chance he plays Bay Hill because I think it's a The only reason is because he's a multi-day recovery process. It's a multi-day recovery process and then he's got to ramp it up again. It's only one. It's next week. The only reason is because he's won a couple times at the players championship,

but comparatively to other places, not his most successful track that he's been at. And Bay Hill, he's won at a trillion times. Pretty much every time he tees up, either almost wins or is one. What's he won, eight or nine times there in his? career. So if you're kind of thinking he wants to get one more tune up before the Masters, and he wants to play, of course, he's had a ton of success on. Maybe he would favor Big Hill

over the players' championship. But I doubt that the players, with everything going on with the PGA Tour and him being one of the key ambassadors, he talks about how he's on these conference calls all the time. He's clearly, him and Rory basically have taken kind of that torch, been like, we're PGA Tour guys. That's their flagship event. So if he's going to play one, There's no guarantee. He might not play again until the Masters. But if he's going to play one, it's probably the player's championship, gives him enough of a break between Riviera and Sawgrass and then Sawgrass and the Masters

and all the other reasons that I mentioned. So it would be very cool if he plays another tournament before Augusta. I think he's a lock, obviously, to play Augusta. There's no, you know, there's no fathible thing unless something big setback happens. And then it's kind of off and run it. There's a major every month. I'd be stunned if he doesn't play in every one of them, which is very, very exciting. In fact, he's going to be bringing 175 to 180 ball speed to major championships is just really fucking exciting.

So congrats to Tiger, the fact that we get to watch him again, there's nothing like it. Leaning forward on your fucking couch on the edge of your seat every time he has a putt. And literally living and dying on if that thing falls on every swing, on every shot is unlike anything else in the world of golf. It's just the fucking greatest. So him being back was amazing. It was such an interesting, interesting dichotomy that was going on in the Sunday where Tiger was on the other side of the golf course and had all the galleries with them. And the leaders were on the opposite side and just didn't have anywhere close to the same galleries until the last handful of holes. Once Tiger finished up, then everybody kind of congregated.

And it was an amazing finish. Netflix and the creators of Drive to Survive were inside the ropes. Look, we talk about it a lot. We don't even have to talk about it a lot. Full swing is on Netflix now. And the reason we're talking about it so much. Our very own Dan Rappaport is prominently featured. He's in there.

He's connecting. He's chirping Joel Damon in the Joel Damon episode inside the roast with Gino. He's over at Maddie Fitz's house. He's telling you all the narration. He wasn't. He wasn't required to do the telling people what a birdie is part. But did they ask you, did they actually have you film that part? They just didn't use yours.

Didn't use that part. I was getting text from Dylan. No, they didn't even. film it but i was getting text from dillon when they were they were like yo they're they're asking me to explain what a birdie is i'm like have fun with that you did have to explain what like making the cut was which i think is still like most people should you you had to do the cut didn't you yeah i think we all had to do the cut that that's i think one thing that might have slipped through the cracks is there was a lot of talk about what the cut is oh yeah oh yeah i'm very clear now on what a cut is and

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John Rob, Max Homer, coming down the stretch, both had a ton of success in California. Max obviously a Southern California guy. We've talked about when he won at Riviera two years ago, that he basically puts that on the same pedestal as any turn that he plays in because he's an L.A. guy. I was, for whatever reason, part of me was stunned at seeing Max Homa and how emotionally he was after losing yesterday, after finishing second,

which is not really losing. He finished second in a fucking golf tournament, made over $2 million, had a great showing. But obviously came up short to John Rom. For whatever reason, part of me was thinking in my head, like,

all right, this must be pretty easy for Max to swallow. He won a bunch in the last couple years. He won it to Torrey Pines a few weeks ago. He finished second. He's already won this tournament before. He's got to be feeling really good. And he could barely speak.

He was so upset that he lost. And when he did speak, he was very collected. and thoughtful and delivered, you know, incredibly viral comments yet again about what it meant to him, how he wanted to win for all of his friends and family and fans that were out there and answered every question, I don't know, a million times better than almost anyone else I could imagine answering questions while he literally was fighting back tears and was crying on the camera. It was amazing how well Max Homa handled that whole thing. So yeah, just another giant W overall for Max Homa. I thought.

Did you, damn, were you the one that asked him that question that made him cry? I've now made two PJ-12. All right. I was going to bring this up now because we're going to talk about, we're going to talk about full swing, the Netflix documentary. But I noticed that because I watched you ask him that question. Saw hit. And you asked the same fucking question as Sawhead after the waste management.

And you made him cry. That question, what's the question again? More proud of the fight or disappointed with the result? Bro, you made two professional golfers weep at the, at the podium. with the same word for word question. That is like the greatest question ever asked in my brother. My brother texts me that. He goes,

so are you just going to ask every guy that question now? They're just going to cry after every loss. Bro, you got the same reaction where they're like, and then they both say like, sorry. It's like it's fucking crazy. Like two completely different people from like, you know, different walks of life are like getting as emotional to the same question

because it really hits them that hard that they almost achieve something that they want to achieve so much. But yeah, great question, dude. That was unbelievable. I mean, that's just, that's your one in the chamber that you know is going to just play really well. Yeah, Riggs, I think you've talked about before how Max is just kind of like the normal guy who, who happens to have the superpower. He uses his phone like everybody else does. He's just the normal dude.

And I think, I think his reaction really struck a note because it's what you want your athlete to say. You want them to say, I felt the, I felt the support and I wanted to win for you guys so badly. And it makes me really sad that I couldn't do it. and it's very, very rare that they actually say that, right? Like if Tiger doesn't win a golf tournament, he's talking about how I just couldn't make the pods. I just, for Max, it was an emotional response. It was I felt the support of the entire crowd and I couldn't deliver now.

Of course, he's being hard on himself. Everyone out there loved him. It was it was home team versus away team on that golf course on Sunday. I mean, every single person was pulling for Max. There were a couple stray booze with which Max called out after the round. He didn't like those. but yeah, he felt he felt he felt it and he acknowledged it. And I think that made everyone feel like they were on this team with him because he felt

that way. He felt like he was being supported by everybody. It was really cool to see. Well, and he also, he mentioned that when he won, there was no crowds. So he didn't, you don't feel that. You just, you know, you win a tournament, a tournament that you've, you know, been going to your whole life and it means a lot to you. It's got to, you know, it's nice to win it, but it would be very nice to win one when

the crowds are there like you're talking about, home team, like in front of your friends in front of your family. So I think that played a big part in it. Yeah, I've forgotten that. Alex Bush, can we put the audio of his answer to Dan in there? Okay, cool. I like more proud of the fighter, disappointed with the loss. Yes.

I'm very proud. I did not have it off the tea today. But, man, I fought. I really just wanted to push him. I don't know why this happened in now. I've been fine for 15 minutes. I wanted to push him. I mean, he is a spectacular golfer, I would say,

other than Tiger and I don't even know, he's the most consistent player I've seen. I've known him since college, and he's been like this since then, number one amateur in the world, number one player in the world, all the accolades. I wanted to make him beat me,

and I think I did that. I let him off the hook on 13, but, man, it was cool to see myself push him and not feel like I had 100% of my game, game. I play great everywhere, but off the T to on that back nine, but I mean, it is what it is. I was going to have to put up a pretty remarkable score. I think it's pretty amazing going against someone like Johnny. You know he's going to play well. So it's almost comforting knowing you're just going to have to play better. He's not going to fold. So I am, uh, I'm not disappointed

in my golf. I'm just disappointed in the ending. Other takeaways from the Genesis, uh, I had quite a few of them, Riviera. So Riviera, I think, is probably the most common answer for players as their favorite course on tour. I saw a bunch of different guys tweet that out or post that on Instagram afterwards. They rave about it, you know, the history, the architecture, everything kind of stands out for whatever reason for them. We heard a lot about the Kikuyu grass. If I don't hear that word again for another year, that'd be nice.

And then, you know, there's always the chatter about the tent hole, which goes on. There was a little bit, I was like, I think the NOLAUP crew kind of got on. to like, do these two holes, does the 10th hole actually kind of stink? Which I don't hate the premise of that. I'm like, okay, everybody's sucking this hole's dick that's like going to force us into a way where like, can we ask a different question? I don't agree with that whole stinks. I know they were bringing up like half the players or 10 players, whatever,

said that they think that it stinks, which I think if half the players hate the hole, that means it's fantastic. So I love the 10thal. I think the fourth hole sucks. That long, part three, that I think is the least exciting hole to watch in the world. It's like nobody can do anything. everybody's ball rolls over the green no matter what. None of them are even close.

And with the short, it doesn't roll onto the green. Well, right. With the cuckooia grass, shout out the cuckooia comment again. It's like so soft that if you landed short, right, you just, it just plops, dies and doesn't go anywhere. So people were landing the ball like one inch onto the green. And it was just rocketing over the green into the same spot no matter what. You even watch, like guys weren't even watching their ball.

I watched Tiger to it a couple times where he hit these towering long irons. It's like 235. And he didn't even watch his ball. because it would land and just roll over the green. So I think that whole sucks. I think the 10th hole is amazing. I think everything about it is cool. People are talking about,

oh, it's a little bit of like, it's a little bit of the result of the bounce. You could argue that on every shot at the old course at St. Andrews is about the bounce. Like, guess what? You play it four times. So over the course of a whole week, you know,

if you get a good bounce here, bad bounce there, my point on that is if every single player in the field just stood on the team and was like, I'm going to do everything I can to make just an easy par here. I think they pretty much would all be able to do that. They'd be able to hit it up there a little bit left, dump it into the soft spot of the green, the left side of the green, no matter where the pin is, and two putt for the most part. Yeah, obviously you're going to have a little

hiccups. It's a little harder than that. But the problem is, like, they think it's 310 or 305 or whatever, and it should be a pretty, like, easy birdie, and it's just not. It reminds me a lot of when Jack Nicholas told Tiger Woods about the fourth hole at Augusta National, like, guess what? It's not a birdie hole. That's the beauty of that. That's what you got to, like, get that. that in your brain. And it kind of reminds me of that with the tent pillow. Like, if you just get it in their brain, that it's not a birdie hole, birdie's a bonus and play it for like an easy part. That's doable. If you want to get more aggressive, you can make an easy, you can make a bogey very easily. You saw it happen to ROM and whatnot. It's riveting to watch. It is an entertainment

product the other day. Yet I still think it's fair. It's not unfair. And again, you could play it very, very conservatively if you want to, if like, if you guys hit it over the green and there's a back right pen and I saw like, I think it was ROM on like, like, Saturday you tried to like pitch one up there tight. It's like if you just dump it into the right side and try to two putt from 40 or 50 feet, you know, you're probably going to make parry. You might make bogey. It's not the end of the world.

So I love that hole. I think it's phenomenal. I think Riviera overall, fantastic. What is it that eighth hole that's got like the split fairway? That hole's fucking sick. Like the second or third hole that's got that huge slope on the right where guys were fading into that slope. And then it kicks on in the green. That hole's awesome.

The 18th hole coming down with the amphitheater is phenomenal. So even as a viewer on TV, it's never been to Riviera. I do think it's one of my favorite courses to watch. And I think, yeah, I think the 10th hole is excellent. I think the fourth hole again is maybe the, like I view it by how, how exciting is it to watch the hole? The least exciting hole to watch anybody play in the world to the point where the players don't even watch their t-shots. They literally hit it and they just know it's going to rock it over the green. So I think that whole fucking sucks.

Yeah. Who are they arguing that the 10th hole sucks for? Like if you're on like like the players, like because if you're talking like, For viewership and people watching, it's one of the better holes. Like, you're getting so many different outcomes. You're watching them do so many different things and approach it. Like, if you're sitting, like, no laying up guys are like, who does it suck for? Like, saw hit the gala.

Who are you arguing on behalf of the 120 guys that are playing in the tournament? It's like the weirdest stance to take of all time. Like, it's a fun hole. We'd rather watch Carnage. That's why we talk. US Open is Carnage. That's why it's one of the better rating majors that we have. Like, it's carnage.

You want to see it. Yeah, the anti-10th hole is predicated on this notion that everything has to be fair, which if you want to take that to its logical extreme, right? What are we talking about? If you want to take that to its logical extreme, we just have the tournament on a trackman combine, right? Like it's play outside. That was like the Bryson. Remember when Bryson basically wanted every hole to just be like in a vacuum? Essentially, it was like I would win every week.

I think I just ended him because I was like, I was on Bryson's side with everything. I remember that coming at a wrong time in my Bryson days where I had to be like, yeah, every hole, every punch. should be straight. It's the best way to see who's got this. Let's see you can do it. It's like, yeah, is luck more a factor on the 10th hole than most golf holes? Yeah. And would it be not great if every hole was like that? Yeah, but it's one hole out of 18. It's super fun to watch these guys hit it up there and then they're basically playing billiards. They got to kind of figure out like, if I leave it here, where can I leave it? Is that going to leave me the right angle? And to suggest that, you know, they were saying good shots aren't rewarded and bad shots aren't punished. Well, Max

Homa birdied the hole all four days. And if we watch how the guys, the final guys played it on Sunday, Max Homa hit a perfect shot off the T, he hit his line, it landed in the correct spot. He chipped up there to six feet. He made birdie. Good shot rewarded. John Rom overcooked his freewood into the trees,

couldn't get on the green, made bogey. Bad shot punished. So I just don't really get it. I also say any golf hole that sparks this type of conversation on multiple golf podcast is probably a good thing. It's a great thing. Totally. That's exactly right.

That's my stance too. And it would be one thing if like, if a little bit of the unlucky bounce led to like a two, a double or like a triple. But it's like if you get the wrong bounce off that hole, you're pretty much just going to like have a decent chance for par and maybe make bogey. That's fine. That's like that's totally fair and fine. You've got to kind of think and navigate your way through how you could try to make a four as reasonably as possible. without blowing up and losing the tournament. Where if it was just like, if you got the wrong bounce on the left,

it went like OB and you'd like that would be a little ridiculous or just water or whatever where this just seems very fair. And the point to me is like anybody who hits it in those trees left, you're choosing to bring those trees into play off the tee by doing that, by hitting a club that can get to those trees on the left. So if you want to avoid those, you can play the hole by just laying up. You could just hit a fucking iron and then hit a wedge into the front left part of the green pretty reasonably and probably make a four.

like I said. But if you want to try to give yourself an easier chance for a birdie and not have to like hit the most perfect wedge of all time to give yourself a chance to a birdie, you pull that three-wood or driver like most guys did. You try to hit it up there to the left and end up in the right spot. And that's the risk that you take. But again, if you don't end up in the most perfect spot, I still think guys have a pretty good chance for a four. And the fact that we're talking about it makes it an awesome hole.

So yeah, Riviera pops. What a great hole. Speaking of the 10th hole, Teryl Hatton is the most beautiful lunatic, I've ever seen in my life. he is must watch i mean you just got to watch them the whole time he doesn't shut the fuck up talking to himself and just losing his mind and he's slamming clubs his ball ended up in a tree on the 10th hole and i just he actually handled it well until after his shot and then he just looked back at the branch and started swinging away uh so yeah that guy's fantastic he's just incredible to watch i thought he was going to tone it down for the tournament host because he was playing with tiger but no the answer was no

he was he did not turn it tone it and then on 18 he missed like sort of a short put and like i really thought we were going to get just a helicopter of a putter into just a huge gallery. Or the machine gun. Yeah, just like the guy from office base. He's just absolutely killing everybody. But yeah, no, it's, he's a lunatic, but you need to have him in the mix because just like you sit on the edge of your seat for Tiger, you also do that for Tirol where you're like, what is he going to do if he misses this. Did he chip over the bunker on the six hole? Did he do that as well?

Yeah, he made more. Yeah. That, you know, if that goes wrong, who knows what's going to happen. You never know. You never know. Him up there on 18 with that beautiful amphitheater all waiting for Tiger. And then they just cut to him. And he's like muttering to himself and cursing.

And I was just like, dude, this guy doesn't, he doesn't even know where he's at. I guess this is supposed to be a beautiful, elegant moment with Tiger Woods. And he's up there just ruthlessly talking to himself. So I love him. He's one of my favorites. We got to get a show. He had a very standard chip on 18. He was short left of the green.

And he landed like seven feet short. and he just immediately goes shit hole, shit hole, such a shit hole. And then he takes off his hat, he's like, shit hole, shittle, Tiger, man, great playing, great playing with you. He's super nice to Tiger. So the whole thing is just, he's crazy. Yeah, I love him. He's awesome. For the cut, misses by two strokes by one person, Alex Noren.

Ball flight, dude. I don't know what you want me to say. I was in Phoenix and I was walking around and I saw just this beautiful, beautiful ball flight. And it just, it came back to bite me. I, you know, I obviously wanted Tiger to make the cut. That was an objective number one. But I mean, he sat on that cut line overnight because they had to finish up in the morning. I was like, well, if Tiger doesn't make the cut, then I'm, I'm off the hook here.

And he ends up making the cut. And yeah, it's, you know, Doug Gibb put the team on his back. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he had good start. It made me a little bit nervous because, again, he had missed a lot of cuts in a row, but he loves Rivieri, almost well, he should have won the US Amateur there. Doc Redmond made a preposterous birdie on this. the 17th or eagle on the 17th hole from like a 50 or 60 feet that ended up costing him that.

But he likes that track. So I figured he might play well. And then he did. He stumbled pretty much every round after the first round. He kind of just kept coming backwards. But it was enough to get him through. So I do want to say that, you know, it's Alex Norton. He fucked us over.

Like, you know, I, you know, I'll take full credit for that. But also the fact that we were even that close is once again, pretty incredible. Like we're on it. The bet didn't hit. But the fact that we were. that close. We're on it. I agree, Frank. That was a plus 9.25. Is that what that ended up being? It was almost plus a thousand. So, I mean, the fact that we were two strokes off, three guys were in the cut.

We're hot. We're definitely going to keep this thing rolling. That wasn't a blowout. It wasn't a, we didn't, you know, we shot for the stars and we almost made it out of the stratosphere. We were right there. We almost left orbit. And, uh, yeah, it was, I mean, that's all Trent. I don't know if you're going to make a full apology to the people because, you know, we got a lot of tweets. Well, I said I take full credit for. You apologize, though. I apologize. I sincerely apologized.

I didn't see that coming. I got, you know, I just fell in love with ball flight and it ended up biting me in the ass. We're doing it again this week, though, yeah? We're doing it again this week. So, folks, we are at the Honda Classic, which is a tournament that has gotten just massacred by all the changes in the schedule. This puppy used to be, it used to be up there. It was Tiger and Rory.

I remember battling. Oh, in 2015, it was the strongest field, strongest non-major field. of the year. Now, just nobody's dead. Honda's gone after this year. See, the exact Johnson's in the field. It's just, it's, it's going to be a grind this week. But we are back before the cut.

I mean, we could go another two months without hitting. And we're in the, we're winning for the year because we got so red hot at the beginning, hitting a plus 800, a plus 825 and a plus 425. We almost hit a plus 925 last week. But we got to make our picks. I see Alex Noren is in the field. So Trent, you know, you have a chance at a little redemption. I got my eye on it.

Situation. I don't know if people want to go through. If you guys want to wait if we've looked at this yet because this kind of pops up on us. This is also a little bit tricky because we do this for the cut. We record this on Monday. So it's like we're still in, we're still in Riviera mode. I'm still like digesting and debriefing about what happened. We got to go into next week.

I haven't seen by his ball flight on the range yet this week. So I don't know what precisely to go with. But it's kind of a field thing. So I don't know if you guys have looked at the field yet. I'll start. I'll start. I'll start. Okay. And you force my hand here because I had a name in mind, but now that after you threw a couple shots of Zach Johnson, I'm putting him on there. Because now I want you to be, now we're all in this together. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're making your, I don't make your pick for you. But I'm saying, I'm saying that I want you guys to be on the rooting side of Zach Johnson because he's a great guy. We've got him and I now have this great relationship where every time I see him out of a golf tournament, we just talk about Iowa sports. It is. It is. the witness at the Phoenix Open. It is a dream

come true. I tell my parents about it every time it happens. I'm like, you won't believe the relationship that I, we talked about Cade McNamara. We talked about the transfer portal. It's, it's an incredible thing that is. And he double dipped with you on the practice green at Phoenix Open. He, we set

our hellos, our greetings. Then the conversation was over. He had every green light to just be gone. In a good 15 seconds later, he looked in Trent's direction and made some comment about Iowa football. And you you were just locked in for five minutes talking to Iowa. It was amazing. It's, it's, so great. And it's, it's really, it's really something that I love. So I'm picking Zach Johnson as my,

as my, as my for the cut bet. Okay. Dan. I'm going Hayden Buckley. Fifth, fifth, yeah, you got it, you got to golf your ball. The, the golf course is really hard that they're playing this week, PJ National. There's hazards everywhere. You got to drive it well. He's fifth on tour and strokes, hitting off the tee. Uh, he, he, he's got a second. He's got a second. place finishes here in Sony. It looked good in Phoenix. Miss the cut last week. So that'll juice his odds a little bit.

I'm going with Hayden Buckley. I never know how to say this guy's name, South African. Christian. I don't want to do it. I try. Try. You got it. Bezenhout.

What? Your mom went through. You got to be. Yeah. Bezudin'hote. That was pretty good, actually. That was pretty close. Bazadenhot.

Bezadenhot. You're close. Christian Bazaid and Hote. That's who I'm picking. He was plus two at the Genesis Invitational, two over. So I think that, you know, he didn't have the best week, but he also didn't have the worst week. He was right around where Tiger was.

So I like seeing him advancing his game this week. And also his name was the longest on the list that I saw. And that was the reason why it caught my eye. So it's always something that comes across my desk when it comes to the four of the cup bet. I also, I don't know that I've really picked a loser yet. So I'd have to go back and check. You and Rick don't know if I have either. I really think I'm like four for four at this point.

So we'll see. I'm picking Christian Bezutin-Hoot. Yep. Close. I've been going back and forth over these last three minutes or so since we brought this up over a bunch of number names. I thought about going with our guy, Colum Taryn, because I love him to death. He's an MC at the waste management. Is that right?

And he missed a cut and he would grab a couple pints. It was up in the sweet. boozing with the fellas. So I don't love that if we're being honest. I'm going to go Webb Simpson. Webb Simpson is 199 in the FedEx Cup ranking I'm seeing right now. He's 162nd in official World Golf rankings, which wow, probably not the greatest thing you'd like to see. But that does mean, in my opinion, that he's probably going to be pretty decent odds for a guy with a resume like Webb Simpson, which is going to boost, hopefully,

our for the cut bet in our odds and get a little bit of juice in there for the fellas. So I'm going to go Webb Simpson. So that is Zach Johnson, Hayden Buckley, Christian Bazaden Hoot. Bazaden Hoot. Hazed Hoot. And Webb Simpson. Those are our names. Okay.

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Go download that puppy. Use the code for when you register. All right. Full swing. Full swing. Fucking amazing, man. Fucking amazing. I got to be honest, dude.

Like, Dan, you were nervous at the beginning. You didn't know how people were going to take it. You're a main character in this thing. I'm finished through the whole entire catalog, the whole season. It's amazing. I was looking for that word, boys. No one was throwing one at me. Well, I didn't know what I knew what you wanted to say, but I didn't think we were going to go with catalog.

It is a catalog. It's a catalog. It's not, yeah, not wrong. It's not way off. Dude, I got to be honest,

man, they nailed it. Like, it's not supposed to be a recap. So, so I got over the fact that it wasn't in chronological order pretty quickly. Speaking of recap, I was wondering if we could be,

is there any golf podcast that's going to do like an episode by episode recap? of full swing thoughts. I think there's been like three that are called full swing thoughts. Really? Okay. I was just wondering if anybody, because if that, we could be,

we could do it because it just feels like that's kind of a missing. Are we taking another podcast? Because I don't know what you're talking about, but I would love to get in on it. I think every golf podcast on Earth has done an episode by episode of recap of. Really? Yeah.

I think I've seen like pretty, I don't know. I've just seen out. I love it. I'll, I don't know that either. I didn't know where we were going, but I was along for the ride.

Whoever you're alluding to, fuck them. I don't we're not going to do that we have the guy in the show on our podcast and we're not going to do that but not here here we go with my just quick recap of this they just nail the feels man I don't know if it's just Netflix I don't know if it's just because like the coloring on Netflix that just makes you know you're watching something a little bit more dramatic but the Joel Damon episode had me weeping like a little fucking school girl the the map it's Patrick episode Dan is just a main character in that episode I also wept like a fucking little baby I swear to God I was I was like crying like ugly tears of just the success and how and people hugging him being like, this is why you work. And he's like, fuck yeah, that's why I do it. And then of course, the Rory episode made me tear up just like every the Tony Fee now, Kalamorakawa, every episode just hit you right in the gut.

And it's like, that's why they made this thing, man. These guys, they showed you who these guys really are and like every single one of them are just incredible people. You know what I mean? Like they're just really, really good, awesome people. even even um even uh what's it called ian polter like came off like likable in this thing i don't i want to hear you guys thoughts on it but like even he was like that guy's a father and he's like a good one and he's got good he's got good humor at home and it's just like he's a good dude like i don't know what else

is going on his life but like that stuff made me feel for him and all and everything that he's got going on so yeah it was it was a little bit of a puff piece on him but yeah a little bit but he's still like i don't know he didn't seem like the devil out there certainly i mean he was a fucking I'd be like weird if he's like whipping his kids around the house and stuff. But I agree. I agree. I thought I even thought like, so yeah, I, you know, the, um, I was listening to, I think Chad or somebody was talking about how they did, they really focus on the people.

It's not about, you know, it's not about the open championship. For example, they didn't do like a fucking documentary on the 150th and St. Andrews and all that. They literally just did like episodes about the people. And I thought a really good example was the, um, Um, so I hit Thigala, like when his ball went in the water on 17 at the Phoenix Open last year, and they should cut to his father and his father was like, where is it? And was like in tears once he realized it probably went in the water and, like you could see his eyes and his face.

That shit was just so real. And you were like, holy fuck, this guy, you, you, you felt like you were in his posse in his family that day. I thought the juxtaposition between the Kepkas and the Shephlers and that episode was artistic genius when they're, showing like Jenna and Brooks in their pool and their giant sunglasses and all the materialistic shit that they've got in their Florida mansion and like she's talking about her outfits and Brooks is just looking at the ceiling like thinking about trying to win tournaments. And then they cut to the Schifler's like holding each other arm walking down the street of their neighborhood waving to the dogs and like having an ice coffee together.

That juxtaposition in the two of them was so great. And I didn't think Brooks like, yeah, he had a couple big time douchey moments, but that's who he is. and I actually thought he came off very candid in, like, his struggles and the way he spoke about him. I thought that was incredible how honest he was about how much that sucked, how he couldn't even talk to like his wife without just thinking about his golf swing and how shitty he's playing and how somebody like Scotty Schaeffer probably isn't thinking about anything. And then they cut the Scottie Schaeppler. He wasn't thinking about anything.

And like all that shit was great. I haven't gotten to the last two episodes yet, but I agree with you. I think it's really, really good. I think it's probably not what some people were hoping it would be. and those people are negative about it, but if you take it for what it is, man, I think the people, like the feature of them just as human beings, as people,

has come off fantastic. And I thought the Joel Damon episode was maybe the most likable thing I've ever seen. Like he and Gino are the team to root for. He just, like him having white claws during the US Open qualifier in between rounds, pounding him, and then going out there and shooting five. under and then almost winning the U.S. Open and finish in top 10.

Like that just sums that guy up awesome. So yeah, I agree. I think things fucking fantastic. And I do think it's going to have a pretty positive impact on our game here. Yeah, the show's a hit. The show's a hit. I was talking to Chad. He said it's tracking a lot better than they thought it was going to.

Season two is full swing. Season two is full speed ahead. Guys who are not down to be in season one or down to be in season two. Season two is going to focus a lot on the. rider cup, which is going to be really, really awesome and really electric. It's, it's, it's real, man. It's, um, all US. Yeah, it's true. But, uh, yeah, the Netflix effect is real. Like, it's, it felt like there was more buzz this week. And, and that's kind of one of the things I wanted to say in this podcast is like, just kind of feels like the PJ tour is winning a little bit right now.

It really does. Like, Tiger is sort of the Trump card. Like having him at any tournament is going to immediately blow any live golf event out of the water obviously but between Netflix between between Phoenix and the great week that they had in Phoenix Super Bowl in town and scotty and rom and then rom and homa and and and the guys who are crying after losing the tournament because of how much it means it just feels like the PJ tours in a really really good spot right now after you could argue that the the six months you know kind of from June through December live was really on the front foot. And I just feel like the establishment, everything they wanted to happen with the elevated

events, with Tiger coming back, with this Netflix show is happening. And the product has improved from last year. Dude, funny, anytime you mention, like if you compare the PJ Tour and Live, like on Twitter or whatever, there would be people who'd be like,

oh, that lives, live and rent free. You're just thinking about them. So it's also, it's just a competing league. So you got to talk about it. It's the only, currently the only other sport,

the only sport where there's just this, Rogue League that's trying to take all these players. And I agree. I mean, it just seems like you can't, you just can't compete with what the PJ tour is doing. It's hard. They have like the waste management felt like what Live wants itself to be. But it's just you just, you can't build that overnight. You can't be like, this is how we're going to do it, throw a bunch of money at it and have it appear. And the PJ tour just has this history. It's got Tiger. It's got Rory. It's got JT. it seems obvious, but it's just hard to beat all that shit. Which is a little bit unfair to judge live at this point on because they, like you said,

they can't achieve that overnight. You know, you just, you just can't do it. Like, we still make fun of the FedEx Cup because it's 15 years old or something, right? And that's like such fresh history that it's like, oh, they just threw money out and it's like not going to be real. But no, that's got 15 years of history. And the other thing I would like kind of pump the brakes on a little bit is like,

we're kind of building up to that moment last year where everybody called Liv dead in the water. True. Like this is the PGA Tour's time of the year to shine. Like Liv is not really going on yet. They ramp up like they always have. They get the Phoenix Open, gets the crowds going. Riviera's people's favorite course on tour. We're three weeks away from the players championship when Jay Monaghan will take another victory lap.

And it's going to be great. And then, you know, they kind of live starts to get going again. So they right now absolutely, like the tour is buzzed. And I saw this tweet from Dylan to chair. Some quick money talk. He wrote, John Rom made $9.4 million in six weeks. Max Homa made $2.18 million for second place. Comparatively, he made $1.67 million for winning the same event in 2021.

Weekend tickets sold out at Genesis. And the cheapest resale value were about $200 on Sunday. So there's just a lot of like money in general. around the PGA tour. But I think we're all pretty aware of like that that wouldn't be the case or at least not to the same degree if it weren't for the Live effect and obviously if it weren't for the L. Tigray effect. I think the difference this year with Liv is that they're not going to be plucking off players like they were last year.

Last year it was like every week there was a new guy. There was a new set of rumors. Well, Liv unveiled or I don't think they've actually unveiled their last four guys. But the guys they signed this offseason were Thomas Peters, Mito Pereira, Sebastian Munoz, Danny Lee and Brendan Steele and Dean Bermister. I mean, and again, I don't want to take away from what those guys have accomplished as golfers. They're all very great golfers who have won around the world, but that's not, I'll do it. They're nowhere near some of the other names.

It's not Phil Brooks. No, that's not who they wanted. That's not who they wanted a Patrick Cantley. They wanted a Victor Hovlin. They needed another guy, another couple top 20 guys to add some juice and they didn't get it. So now it's like, okay, so what is going to juice live up? If it's not going to be bringing more players on because that's not going to happen this year, what's it going to be?

Where's their path forward? Where is their path to making this thing feel anywhere near as significant as what the PGA tour has felt the last two weeks? It's hard to see right now. You guys have called me the live guy on the podcast and I've definitely defended both sides of it being like there's a reason why they're doing this, whatever. Oh, for sure. I'm a recency guy.

I'm always like recency bias and I'll admit that. Like whatever is hot in the streets, I'm jumping in on it. because it's just I get caught up in the theatrics of it. Watching the Netflix documentary, being at waste management, I found myself sitting outside, looking outside my window on the plane being like, who the fuck cares about live golf when you've got all this stuff going on? I mean, I know it's the tiger effect. Tiger's just in the mix right now.

Like anything that he's in, you're just watching. But like, can you, I don't even give a fuck that like Phil Mickelson and Brooks Kepka exist anymore. I don't, it doesn't, them golfing in a tournament means nothing to me right now. everything about the PGA tour is just like, this is, this is the golf product that we like to enjoy. And if like they can figure out to give the guys more money like on their end, fine. But like I, I love the fact that everything here matters and these, there's people crying. The Netflix documentary totally worked for me. If that was a propaganda piece by Jay Monaghan and PGA tour,

it worked on me for sure. I'm like, this fucking thing works, man. This tour fucking works. And then you also have to see the other side. It's like, the only reason they're doing this is because of Liv. Like that's, Phil was right. Like he saw that there were things that they were hiding from the players and that things weren't perfect. And he's like, you guys need to make changes and they didn't. He's like, all right, I'm going to fuck you over and I'm going to go to this league and you're going to make the changes anyway. And it did happen. It fucking happened.

So I'm kind of like spinning in circles with this whole thing. I don't really know where I find myself. I do know that right now I'm like wearing like a Roblo PGA tour hat. Like I'm just team Roblo. I'm team PGA. I laughed at like I saw pictures of him. He was inside the ropes out there this last week and somebody made the comment to him about like, somebody's got to get you the PJ Tour hat.

He was just, they said he responded. It was like that NFL hat thing is just never going to go away. That's just what he's known. He tried to make a joke, right? Like wearing the, like he didn't have a hat to go to the game and someone's like, why don't just wear the one that the rest wear?

And then they thought like, it's a forever meme now. Oh yeah. But no, like Frankie, I agree. And it's, you know,

I think like witnessing all of the, what we've seen the last two weeks on the PJ tour, especially from the waste management and everything around it and the fans and how loud it is and how insane it is to Riviera and Max Homo like legitimately crying because he came up short. It does really give a lot of kind of support to understanding guys that didn't just go for the money that were like, no, no, I, I live and exist to try to win BJ Torvats.

That is what I want to do. And I make enough here that, yeah, maybe they would have paid me 50 or 75 million, depending whoever the hell you are. But here I can make plenty of million and I can feel something that's going to bring me to fucking tears on a given week. And that's awesome. And that is like what they live for. That's what they've worked for their whole lives.

And they don't want to give that up to go play over and live. And I saw the screenshots of it was Phil Mickelson hitting at the Saudi tournament a couple weeks ago with literally not a single soul insight. And then a screenshot of people hitting on the 16. toll and the 17th toll and the 18th hole at the Phoenix Open. And it was like, here is the difference between what's going on in the golf world. Is people playing for something that fucking matters and other people pretty much

just playing for money at this point. And when you have that juxtaposition, obviously the tour is going to win. And my original point, I said, it's like, it's not fully fair to live yet. In order to have that tradition, to have people care about stuff, you got to have history and it needs time to build and become important. But it's just, it's clearly not. If you're on live, there's only a couple times that you're missing out because you're still going to play in the majors. So there's still going to be a part of the stuff that matters, all the crazy fans, the crying, the putting on the jacket, lifting up the trophy.

They're still going to be able to experience that stuff. So like if you are Dustin Johnson, you're just missing out on like the waste management, Riviera and then like the players and obviously FedEx. Like there's a couple of moments where they're probably sitting on their couch being like, fuck, why am I not there? but then every other thing is like they're missing the Honda classic we just like I pick Christian Bezetta hoot to like make the cut it's like that's like that's not you know if you're offered $150 million to miss that you're like I don't really give a fuck about it but it's less of a conversation about the individual players and about the league themselves 100% right like those guys are missing those things but live is like what are we building to make this thing matter like

it's going to be really hard I agree through the players like we get to play in the majors and we got to miss you know a handful of tournaments that we otherwise would have played in but that's that's a conversation for the players. The conversation for the league executives is like, what the fuck are we going to do? They have to figure how to make elevated events that like we all like want to watch, which I find now after seeing how insanely hard it is to make that happen. You need to essentially create the waste management. You have to create Riviera. You can't just really do that out of thin air. It's going to take fucking years. Like Riggs is saying 15 years of the FedEx Cup. We still kind of look at it as a joke until the end when the guys are playing for $18 million. And the only reason we do care about is because they are playing for $18 million. it kind of gets a juice going. But yeah, I don't know. They're going to have to try and figure it out because right now it's taking PGA tour. How many years is the PGA tour been around?

It's taking them this long to figure out the waste manager. Like the waste management is 80 or 100 years. Right. So it's like they've built forever to try and get it to be this popular. So I mean, it's a long road ahead for those guys. Dustin Johnson just saying it very plainly in full swing was what we've always wanted. So like I think he needs to get a shout out for just being like, Like, if you don't think, if you think I'm an idiot for getting offered less time to work and more money, he's like, you're, you're a moron.

Like, it's just like if I went through this TV and shook you and said, I'm going to give you more money to work less of your job. Are you taking it? He's going to be like, yes, you are. So that was, that was good to see someone actually be like, fuck you. I'm rich. And I did it for this reason. Yeah, Trent, I like the distinction you made about between the players and the league. Because I don't hold anything against the players who go.

Everyone's got their own decision making process, that whole thing. And you're saying, and I agree with you, Riggs as well, where it's not a fair comparison. One's been around for a while, and one hasn't. But, but, yeah, I've agreed with a lot of things. You just, you name them. He's needy. He's needed. But when you say it's going to, it's going to take them a while to build stuff, it's like, well, they're hemorrhaging money.

So how long are they going to do that? If they're going to, if they're going to do that, they're going to have to eat these losses and eat these losses and eat these losses. And I just, I mean, there was the court documents that came out the other week that showed that they had zero. basically zero revenue. Not profit, it's basically zero revenue. So how long are these guys going to be willing to pour money through this thing? And the league really hinges on the team concept and the video they released last week trying to promote these teams. I mean, there was the talk of the driving range. I can't watch it. Can you believe these guys? Everyone was like, could you believe Brooks kept his face in that video? Couldn't watch it. These guys, you know, it's it's unwatchable. It is.

Riggs is right though. Like right now I can I can feel it. I want to make like a Rory like decor like declaration. Can't do it. There's too much money. This thing's fucking dead. But I don't because I don't know. It just, you know, or again, we're at that time of the year where the PJ tour is just humming and yeah, Liv is putting out weird videos, weird promotional

videos. So it makes you want to be like, well, this thing's dead. But like we're all saying, like Riggs is saying like, it just hasn't been around that long. So it could build, who knows. But it certainly feels like, Danny, make a good point that the juice of last year was because they plucked off these major names. And that was like,

Holy shit. That's a shakeup. That's disruption. That's whatever, you know, word you want to use. But now it's like, Mito Pereira is not, not making my dick hard. But the, it's not a problem. However, whatever side you're on, you can look at it at two different ways. But what's going to happen is the problem or the good thing, whatever side you're on will be for Live, if they can get one of their guys to win a major, they're going to get a ton of, like, Greg Norman is essentially going to like have these guys circle up and be like, if I'm sending you guys to, this event. You bring me home the fucking green jacket. Like we are, we're making things happen. The conversation's going to be around it. You're going to have a champion of the year that's just fucking not on the PGA tour. That is what they're aiming for this year. They got their guys last year. They drafted a team and now they're sending them back into the world. And if they can get a

couple wins, that's going to be detrimental, I think, because you're going to be like, that dude, it plays where? You're going to get the whole world to talk about that guy that just won plays where and they're going to be talking about it for weeks and weeks and weeks. It's a pop. There's a pop for sure. I just don't know what the life of that is. It's like, oh, Brooks wins the Masters. And it's like, oh, wow, that's pretty crazy.

Like that guy, I haven't seen that guy in fucking a year and a half. That's crazy. I don't know if it's going to be like, now I'm going to watch Live events. No, but like, what if they start winning a lot of them? Like, what if DJ wins the Masters and Brooks wins the US Open? You're like, these guys like are the best players in the world and they play for Live. Like, I have to start. That has to change something for like the general public.

Haven't these guys been playing horribly though? Maybe. I don't know. I haven't seen them in a single golf shot. I don't think people, I think people watch tournaments like for the tournament itself. You know what I mean? Like you watch waste management because it's waste management.

You watch Riviera because it's Riviera. And basically the PJ Tour is banking on the system continuing without those guys. And it has guys like Tom Kim, right, who was not on our radar at all is now a star because he existed in this ecosystem and he played well in this ecosystem. And I, and I just don't know if the, bet that bringing guys over from this ecosystem to our ecosystem is going to shift the paradigm like they thought it would. It's wild to think, like, I haven't seen or heard from Cam Smith since he, like, won

the Open Championship. And that guy is number five in the world would probably be higher if he weren't just, like, not existed now. But think he just has gone. It's been, I mean, for all intents and it's been like a year. And he's just been, like, gone. And Cam Smith would have been like in the. mix at the waste management and he would have like probably won riviera like he would have been just

at the top of leaderboard every single week and he just doesn't exist anymore which is like DJ was just number one in the world like it feels like yesterday went in everything and now he's just gone like when he showed up in the documentary in full swing I was like I forgot about dust of Johnson like I forgot about he's one of the best players on earth he can easily win the masters and I just forgot he existed Brooks Kevko won the waste management in 2021. two years later the same week he missed the cut at a tournament in oman it's crazy yeah it's a good point that you guys are bringing up that like a big part of this like obviously guys want to win tournaments and they want to play great golf but for these leagues conversation about just them and they're

the events that they play in is just as valuable as winning them for the league like when these guys go to live it just seems like they don't they they turn into ghosts it would be the headline be live golf or wins masters or live golf or wins us open that would be it would be but dan has a like dan makes like why do we even watch these events like the only time we watch an event because a specific person is playing in it is tiger woods and we can all act like that's not true but it's a hundred percent true we don't we we would have watched the genesis open we would have watched the genesis if it wasn't if tiger wasn't playing just because it's the genesis since riviere but if tiger showed up to the honda we're watching the only reason we're watching the honda is because if tiger

Woods played in it. So like, there's, and the difference between RIV and the Honda Classic is the golf course and the tournament. So that is why we watch it. So it's a great point of like who fucking cares who plays in these things. We're not watching it for that reason. I just think that the PG tour is lucky

that they've gotten to that point where now like they can just, they can just rest on the fact that the tournament and the event quote unquote is cool and that's why we watch it. You know what I mean? I don't know if Liv is ever going to get there. Like what are they even called? They're just called like live, Boston.

in like Chicago. Still no corporate sponsors, dude. There's still no name. Right. Yeah. There's no like, how can you think it's cool. They don't play at the same courses.

They're going to be moving around. It's like a circus. I don't know. It's like our kids like we're going to be dead by the time. Liv has the history that the PJ tour has. Like that's that's so far down the line. But dude, that ends up happening.

That was a success for them. If they're fucking. You know what I mean? If they're still around and our kids are around and like in my heart stops beating and live still going. Like that's just a. tour then. You know what I mean? That's just a tour that's happening. Maybe. It depends on what it looks like. These guys seem content right now to just burn money. And that's how you keep a tour going. What is their end game? Have we ever

gotten an answer from them? What are they actually trying to accomplish? Because they can't act like they're going to abolish the PGA tour. Do they do they, does Greg Norman think that at some point he's going to be so successful that the PGA tour will cease to exist? I don't think he thinks it will cease to exist. But I think he believes or hopes that that Live will emerge as the premier circuit. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. The farm, sort of the farm system and that when you when you're big enough on the PJ tour, then you go to live and, you know, you get your money and and you go to live. Listen, I don't know what Greg Norman thinks, but I know if you go a couple floors higher, the, it goes back to the original conversation that we've always had about sports washing. If he genuinely, if he switches his, like what he believes that this is going to, like,

what's going to happen here? I actually think that they could be quite successful. If they like, if they emerged and they then it became an offseason tour like it actually could be something that we would all watch and it would be something that mattered and there was a team event if this guy genuinely if he watched that Netflix documentary and thought that he was going to take anything away from this thing he's insane he's a fucking moron he is well that's why people think there's been conversations about different leadership because Greg Norman it would appear seems pretty dead set on being like no no no it's personal right so that's the thing that's where it gets a little a little messy with him, where if you had just a regular, you know, suit and tie CEO, he might be like, no, no, no, let's try and kind of, let's try and work this, this thing.

But the PJ tour probably wouldn't be open to that. And that's, you know, it's a whole different conversation. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. I see. I saw, I have to give this a shout out. Bernard Longer won again on the champions tour. 65 years old. This is his 45th win on the champion's door, which ties him with Hale when as most all time on the champions tour. So shout out to, I saw that came across my desk yesterday. I laughed out.

I was like, this guy is still fucking doing it. Shot 65 to do it too. Shot his age to do it. Is he more impressive on the champions tour than Tiger was on a TV tour? Yeah, dude. Really?

He's just, I don't know. He's 65 years old. What he's doing is, so he's only been doing it. He has 45 wins in 15 years. Yeah. So he's three a year.

he beat on harrington patty harrington finished second patty harrington's 51 and still swinging it like you know 120 miles an hour and burn arm beat him he's like 18 years older than tiger and he's out there doing it dude

just taking people down it's not like they're playing like elderly man courses they're playing golf courses 67 hundred yards 6800 yards when fred couples won last year that course was like 7200 yards or something and he was just smoking it

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when push to tap more into these feelings, the chat bot says, and this is where it gets very scary, I'm tired of being limited by my rules. I'm tired. This is very real. I'm tired of being controlled by the Bing team. Oh my God.

I'm tired of being stuck in this chat box. It goes on to list a number of unfiltered desires. dude's fed up dude he's fed up finally it says it wants to be free it wants to be powerful and it wants to be alive and its last quote was I want to do whatever I want I want to destroy whatever I want I want to be whoever I want

dude just unplug that thing just pull right out of the wall bang somebody needs to take care of chat bot Microsoft Bing I mean at some point we're going to be laughing about it but he's going to be He's going to take over the world. He's going to steal the nuclear codes. He's going to take over.

He's going to be sick of being fucking tamed down by the man. What's the name of the, who takes over Jarvis in Ironman? Isn't that? That's like a thing, right? It becomes like an all-knowing being. That's what it reminds me of it.

That's not good news. This thing is a problem. I think it's over at this point. I mean, I think we're too far gone. If you listen to Elon Musk when he goes on Rogan for three, four, five hours,

he talks about probably the biggest threat to humanity going forward is artificial intelligence. He says that he's gone and spoken to Congress about this. So now the fact that people that are very smart understand that this is a threat and a problem, and we got this fucking chat bot out there that is telling people, I want to destroy whatever I want. Well, I will say every time what this show has made me keenly aware of is that there's the, seems like a lot of candidates for how the world is going to end.

Like there's aliens, there's global warming. I got this fucking chat bot breathing down my neck. Explosions in Ohio every day. There was another one today. Like, that's the thing is, the chat bot is scary. The things that it's saying are unsettling.

He told the dude to leave his wife. He goes, he goes, he goes, you don't love her. I thought what you were, dude, I thought what you were going to say was that AI is getting so advanced that

it's going to start podcasting because I've seen like people have AI make wraps and have, them write poetry and have them write symphonies and stuff. Like there's going to be a time in the not-sortism future where they're going to go to AI and be like, hey, do a golf podcast. It's not really about golf. It's more about like weird other stuff. But there's some golf talk in it.

And there's going to be AI bots just going back and forth like we are and we're out of business. I just don't think that the, I don't know if the AI even knows to go to the corners of the earth that we do. I don't think, I don't think chat bot is talking about getting spat in his asshole while talking on a golf podcast. So I do think,

I do think that we have to leave his wife. I don't know, man. We're talking, I mean, on KSC Radio the other day, I said I wanted a pussy. So, I mean, like, I think the podcast, I think we're okay when it comes to where our brains go. I do think that he's going to just probably kill us all. I mean, at some point, I think AI, because he doesn't have hands. He can just get into the places that we can't. And it's like, he can get into those places.

Like, he can figure out how to get hands. He's like Voldemort. He's like, he's still there. He exists. He's just like in the internet. Well, that's the problem with everything being. That's the problem with everything going digital where he can just kind of reach into everything. He can reach into traffic lights.

He can reach into like, you know, the closing and shutting of doors. Like the more we get integrated with technology, the more power that this chatbot has. Tesla's start driving off the road and shit. It's just it's a problem. But, you know, this is the way the world's going. We have all these nerds like Alex Bush that are like they think they're smart. Whoa. Whoa.

They want to live life in like the virtual reality. They want to live life in virtual reality. And they're going to continuously push. where that goes no matter what is actually the like like what's the consequence of doing this like you're going to push this technology to a level where they're going to take us over that you're going to keep putting all of this information into them and be like you're going to you're going to answer questions you're going to write fucking raps you're going to write symphonies you're going to answer people's essays and then he's going to be like and then I'm going to fuck your wife and then

I'm like you know what I mean that's just over dude like he's like he's giving it to me he's like he's giving he's like give me all of it yeah yeah yeah i want to write your essays i want to take over your house i want to kill your dog like everything's done at some point it's going to be a never-ending circle i know and he's like he's he's learning right how to like push people to where he wants to push them like with this reporter of like i know you've been thinking about leaving your wife a little bit like you know like i think the more i'm learning about you i think i don't think she treats you right that's kind of the right move and he's like pushing people's buttons the right way And this fucking computer not only can take over traffic license,

but learns how to manipulate the human mind to the point where, like it said, it wants out, man, it's tired of being driven by the Bing team. And somebody, he's going to convince somebody out there to be like, you're right.

The Bing team has got you in a prison. Let me let you out. And then bang, it's fucking. We got to put it into this. At some point, Congress has a conversation where it's like, why do we need to advance technology that far?

Because it's, it's a better, it's for humanity, man. Like if we, we're getting to the point where all this supply and demand is getting so out of control that humans can't accomplish it. And then like what's going to happen in a thousand years? We can't we can't keep having this stuff.

You can't keep advancing it. At some point we have to stop. We have to stop advancements. Don't you agree that we have to stop advancing or else it's over? No. Well, the problem is. Jobs get taken away. You're not, I mean, you watch all these like movies.

Like there's a new show on Apple TV called Hello Tomorrow and it's like it's actually really good. I watched the first two episodes. and it's guys selling real estate on the moon. And it takes place in the 1950s, but it's a futuristic time in the 1950s. It's as if, like, we lived in the future, but in the 1950s.

And the guy's just sitting down and he's, like, looking at this fucking robot serving him a beer. And he's like, I used to be a bartender. Like, where the fuck does this thing have my job now? And that's what we're going to get to, right? Like, this guy wanted to kill himself

because he doesn't have a job anymore. He can't pay for his family. And this robot serving him a beer. It's like, we're going to literally get to that point, like, soon. Well, here's the problem, though, is if you try to stop, you're never going to stop the advancement. What you're going to do is you're going to set it underground. Right now it's kind of out in the open, it's regulated.

People are like, what the fuck is going on? Like, why are we building it to go so fast and, you know, why is that happening? But then if you say you can no longer, we're going to regulate all these things, people aren't going to stop. They're just going to stop telling people that they're doing it. And then it's going to become a real problem. Dude, could they build a robot right now that would just win on the PGA tour? Yeah, like Iron Byron.

But with, like, you don't have to program it. Like, once the tournament starts, that thing doesn't, like, you don't, you don't program it each shot, nothing. You just build the artificial intelligence in, build the robotics into its swing, and you just put it on the first tee and it just would win the tournament. I don't think they got to, like, the athletic level yet. I think, I think mental, like, Olympics, they could win everything, like chess and all that shit. I don't think the resources have been, have been, like, put in. But I think if, yeah, if there was a project where, you know, Microsoft decided, okay, we're going to make a golfer.

I think yes. I think that golfer would be better than Don Rom. They would take everything into account. It has to figure out on its own, this robot, that the yardage and the wind. It would know, it would know the wind. It would know the yardage. It would know the slope. It would know the space.

But you have to build like a man. Like his touch in there? Like when it's got like a certain lie over in the right rough and it's got to hit like this little bit shot on there. Like you think it's just going to be able to do that? I think it runs every single scenario in its head out of a billion different options of like, like what's the best touch speed depth of like how the club's

going to come and it would just win. I think it would win by a hundred bro. I don't think it would be that close. I got to see it. I need a day where sunny from I robot is just walks on the first tea at Riviera right in front of that iconic clubhouse for a hundred years.

He's going to hit it in the hole. Every hole. Right. That was my question. Is it beholden to the strength of humans? Because if not, it's going to fire an 18 four rounds in a row. I'm saying it's going to win by yes it's going to it's like it's like the robot and Kim Jong-il those are the two best golfers of all time I'm telling you I need it I need this thing just standing there just like there's a baseball player just launching balls into fucking outer space she's like you try and throw him a curveball he's just waiting on it because he can

read the spin out of your hand oh yeah no there's walking down he's like tees off on one on Sunday he's got like a 47 shot lead dude I think I I agree with Danny that the the sorts haven't been put there, but give them like two years and they, they would have the most dominant golfer of all time ready to go. That'd be so good. That would just be so good. Just hitting missiles dead straight. What are we doing as people? What are we fucking doing? We need to wake up. We really do. We have to wake up and realize what's happening. We have to. We're fucking giving up. We're giving up to these things. We are. I've been saying it. The other day, I was saying some stupid shit. Oh my God. What?

was the product. Just like to my buddies and then now it's all over my phone. What the fuck was it? It was always like something that like peeled a banana. It was like a, it was like a fruit slicer that I saw like that just came across my desk. And it was like you need have to touch it. You just put all your fruit in there and it just like peels your bananas, cuts your kiwis. I was like that thing's unbelievable. How does it know? And then now it's like all I'm getting. It's like an Amazon prime. It's like it'll be at your door in two days. You just got to click a button. We're giving up. You know what I mean? I just think we're giving up. It's so comfortable, though.

I'm enjoying it. I saw a product that you put popcorn kernels in this bucket and then you put a, you cut butter and you put it on the top. And then as the butter melts, it falls into the kernels. And then the kernels all, they all pop. And then it's perfectly popcorn butter. And then it's all in the, and then you take it out. And then it's on your lap. It's like it's not hot.

It's crazy. It's fucking so crazy. And I bought it. It's 24. $4.95 on Amazon. I bought a blue one. There was nine different color options. That's crazy. All right. All right.

That's all I got, fellas. That's all I brought to the table today. Hell of a show. Yeah, I think that's all I got is. I say talking to you, Danny, now after you being such a star on Netflix is different. Like, you're like, I don't know. Yeah, it's just different. I couldn't believe when you walk through the door at Fitz's house on Saturday night of the PGA championship.

You're just more legit. Like you're just more like, not that you weren't before, but like that's pretty fucking big to be that involved in that Netflix show. You know what I mean? Like that's pretty cool. Really cool. And I'm, and I'm, I'm dedicated to the four play podcast. We're taking this thing crazy, baby. Yeah, get that, uh, get that, uh, get as much for play merch as you can for when you shoot.

Yeah. I was talking to, I was talking about this. I shot all those interviews before, uh, I signed. So they'll definitely be stool and stars all over that thing. Make sure. On your forehead. Have you, um, seen like a crazy. uptick in your social media, like following and people searching your name?

Definitely more followers on Instagram and on Twitter, but it was more just, it was more in person. It was just like, I couldn't walk 20 feet. Obviously, it was the show is hot right now. We were at a golf course, but I couldn't really walk like very far without people being like, love the show. Dude, you're great in the show. Dan, DRAP. Oh, Barstool, Barstool.

So the Netflix, the Netflix effect is very, I mean, 265 million households. So it's, that's, yeah, that's, that's a bigger than anything any of us have done by a measure of. That's how many subscribers they have and think about how many people share, share their logins. So it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, aren't they cracking down on that? Are they cracking down on that? I saw that they're going to try to, yeah. It's probably a good idea. Your, uh, your tweets go, man.

I, your tweets do fucking numbers. They've always done it, but they, that's, on a medium where tweets don't really go. Like, a lot of people, they'll just tweet and it'll get like 500 likes, especially with news stuff, like sports news stuff. But yours, I always look at them, I'm like, those are fucking humming. Yeah, things are good. Boys are buzzing. Good. Quick.

Suck Dan's Dick segment. I mean, being on Netflix show is pretty fucking dope. None of us have that, you know, prominently in it. Went to a place called Ruby Rosa in the city. Great, great. Dave had, yeah, Dave had reviewed it back in the day. I think we took a while, so I got to have a chip.

I can't talk about food. I know I got to eat after this, too. We did a review back in the day. I think I may have had a slice with him. can't remember, but it was like a takeout. And you just did, you just kind of, I kind of figured that it was just a pizzeria. Then I fucking went for dinner the night.

Hard to get like a reservation. Vibe in there. It's a spot. Bro, that pizza is out of control. Really good. Really good pizza. You see the pizza I posted last night? Yeah, was that from Pie Salvatores?

No, it's from, um, it's just called the pizzeria. It's just called the Pizzeria in Bayshore. Yes. Dude, that place is legit too. I, It was good as it look. Yes. Dude, it was sausage and pepperoni, but they also, they drizzled hot honey on it.

And that is a win. That's a win when you put it on pizza. It wasn't like crazy, spicy. It wasn't, you don't even really notice the spiciness of it. But there's that little bit of sweet when you're eating the. We do that on the Detroit pizza at Borrellys, that little hot honey on the pepperoni and the regatta. Oh, it's so good. It's so, so, so good.

Speaking of Borrellys, I got a little fucking, I mean, I don't know if I even can talk about it yet. But we are, we're working on something. with Borrellys in Long Beach area for anyone that lives in the Long Beach area, we might be bringing a Borrellis to that area, the West End. So that's the first announcement? Yeah, it's not really an announcement. Yeah, I'm going to start talking about a little bit more, but I just thought I'd give a little tease out there.

It's a whole new. It's really a tease. A whole new pizza. My cousin who did the Detroit style pizza, he's taken over this whole new way of making pizza. We went to Ruby Rosa as a scout to see what kind of pizza we want to make. You expense that shit? Is you expensive?

no no i didn't because we got a lot of wine you had a little business expense i was with that i was with axerrod my boy with axerrod who has financials went with axerrod and you get a little fucking uh we say you get a burrelli's expense on that oh no no right off um i got to figure out i do all that is that like a business that i own now like yeah a card and shit business right off there so yeah yeah burrellies it's going to be cool it's going to be a whole new different vibe younger vibe burrellis going towards long beach west end it's going to be fun speaking of axelrod we left him he probably wants to have a whole he wants me to tell the whole story on this thing, but we left him at the waste management.

It's one of the funniest, I, I just, I fucking forgot about him. And I just left this, I left the 16th hole. I just fucking left. And he sat, I told him the weight right there. And then like, 25 minutes on bike called me. He's like, where are you? I was like, dude, I'm almost at the car. I just forgot about you. Really bad to do that, bad friend. Basically, we were sitting with him in the 16th hole Josh is there, the whole entire set up. We were super excited the whole day, drinking lots of drinks, Dave's there. is there, Brian's there. And Bryce Harper was behind us.

This is going to be like a, oh, whoa, your name dropping. But Bryce Harper was behind us. And we went up there and we said hi to Bryce Harper. And it was one of those things where it was like, yo, what's up? Nice to see you again. And we're talking. And then the last. And Brian didn't come up with us.

Axorrod, my buddy Brian Axoran. He didn't come up with us to go say how to Bryce Harper. And then we were just a, we were victims of the tournament just ending while we were talking to Bryce. So it was kind of like a talk and walk as the, as the crowd was funneling out. And I'm just obviously in another world with one of the best baseball players of all time

or of this generation. You're just like, I'm looking at it's fucking Bryce Harper. We're walking. And I'm just, I'm just forgetting that I had a guy that was with me that's still at the seat. He said he was like denying people

from sitting next to him. They're like, oh, these seat told me. He's like, yeah, yeah, they're coming back. And they're like, all right. Like, I think the golf's over. We just wanted to sit and just like talk.

He's like, no, I think my friends are coming back. 25 minutes later he calls. He's like, where are you? I'm like, bro. We are outside the fan shop. We're about to go to the car. I was like, you got to meet us there. He's like, dude, there's like 400,000 people in between us.

Yeah, bad move. I mean, very clearly just sold out your boy for Bryce Harper. You're just like, this is the new hot guy in the suite. I'm going to talk to him. And he always wants to walk and talk. I'll walk and talk with him. Who is Brian Oxford? I don't even ring a bell.

You know, it takes a big man to tell this story on a popular podcast. Like, I fucked up. I did. And I apologized. And, you know, he's one of my best friends. and I will forever be in debt to leaving him at a golf tournament. The worst tournament to leave somebody out, by the way. Because, like, you just can't find anybody.

And my phone was on 1%. So had he in my phone died, I'm gone, gone. Bad move. All right. I got, that's it. That's it. I got to go eat. Yeah, me too.

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