Fore Play - New Majors vs. Old Majors
Episode Date: October 20, 2022A lot to cover on today’s episode. Saudi Major Championships? Competing event during the Players? Jon Rahm made comments on Phil Mickelson and his trash talk of the PGA Tour. New events on the Tour ...schedule are being elevated this season. House of the Dragon recap. China is playing the long game in taking over all of our cell towers. Frankie plays a round with Francis Ellis at Deepdale - and struggled, to say the least. We finish up with questions From The Gallery: what bucket list golf course would you like to play?You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod
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I'm here on my shorts.
Can you guys please turn down the A-D? I got my shorts on.
Do you guys have chicken nuggets?
Frank, you turn into Mike Tyson there for a second.
Yeah, you kind of did. That was weird.
I mean, Mike Tyson talks like a baby, you fucking idiot.
Oh, wait, is that all me?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Does he not talk like a baby?
Yeah, I was just saying that you sounded like him for a second.
I didn't know how it was going to...
He's got baby talk.
All right.
I was just saying you sounded like Tyson for a second.
Jesus.
Poor play brought to you by Barstool Sports presented by our very good friend at Chevrolet.
Good old Chevy, Chevy EV, Chevy EVs, Blazers, Silveradoes.
I saw in a video we posted recently, the boys did a really good job of going through their website
and just pulling up photos of a bunch of their cars and it got me excited.
Cars are just exciting.
Like well,
well made sexy cars are exciting.
I miss car life.
I grew up in California where you drive everywhere.
Now I don't really use my car all that often.
And I miss it.
I miss loving my car going in there,
pumping the music up.
It's a feeling that it cannot be replicated in the scene.
Trent and I had a very similar sort of experience to what you're describing.
We went to Florida with the port noise.
Remember that, Trent Danny?
And we,
we hadn't been driving.
We hadn't been in a car in fucking years.
We had just been grinding away in the way.
in New York HQ for years and years.
We went and did the Cousins Retreat where me, Trent, YP, went down and stayed with Dave's
parents at their Florida condo.
And one night at like midnight, we were like, you guys just want to get in the car and go
to Taco Bell.
And we just drove 10 or 15 minutes to Taco Bell at like midnight because we could.
And then everyone on the way home, I'm like, the direct route says it's like six minutes away.
What do you think?
And they're like, let's just not take that route.
Let's just drive around.
And we just drove around, man.
It was great.
It's less in the winter too, because like now.
it's like if I want to go out and take a walk or something it's this whole ordeal I got to put on
on my clothes like no just get in the car put the heat up put the seat warmer on and cruise right since I moved
to long island I don't know if we can hear you fraky hello oh there we go okay yeah yeah since I'm since
we moved since I moved out to long island I've really regained an appreciation for driving around and
listening to music that's just something that you don't get when you live in the city and I grew up in
iowa and that's where we had cars we drove everywhere and it was great going to work going to school
you would just listen to music
and then you kind of lose that
when you move into a city like New York
even like walking to work
I would listen to music
but there's something about driving
and listening to music that is
there's just nothing like it.
I think it's the freedom and sorry go ahead.
That's how I listen to new albums.
It's the best way of doing it.
Something about like just driving
and not really paying attention
to anything else except for driving
and the music comes on.
I think a good song that really catches you
is catches your attention when you're driving
for some reason.
I don't know if there's any science behind it.
but like you're like all right all this other stuff is kind of background noise I'm driving my car and then
one hits you and you're like wow I'll always remember where it was the movement that song I think it's
the world moving around you and I think it's that movement and you're also free to move yourself like if
you're in the street and you're like kind of like bopping around then you're a psychopath but it's
it's interesting that's it's interesting that you're playing a little air drums that's cool
Rick Rubin was just on the Joe Rogan podcast and I listened to it and he was saying he was talking about
this a very similar thing where Rick was saying that there's something about do
a menial task while listening to music helps you focus on the music because it's just like a
you're let you're not totally focused on it because if you just sit there it's if you're not in a car
and you're just sitting listening to music it can be a bit of a strange experience but when you're
driving you're doing something you're a little bit you're a little bit occupied and you have it going on
sort of in the background and it's an easier way to concentrate you guys see this new cheverly
commercial for the evs on tv that released i think it came out like a month ago with fleetwood mac they've
got that song everywhere going on and you hear the little chimes coming in and then that part
it's like uh i fucking love that commercial man it is it has been in my head for like the past two
weeks every single time i see it's on hulu all the time and i was watching welcome to rexum which is
probably the most i mean that's the most recommended show that i've gotten from my buddies to watch
right now um ryan reynolds and rob macklehenney ryan reynolds and yeah it's about that wrexom football team
It's amazing.
It's basically real life Ted Lassau.
It's nuts.
And every single time that thing goes to a commercial on Hulu, it's just a Chevrolete
EV commercial.
And I love it.
I freaking love it.
Think about the delta between their marketing and advertising that they did for that
and how great that is.
And then they spend it on us like that.
Like look at the difference in what they're getting.
We've been talking about it for like three minutes, though.
We have.
Well, that's all like we're going to go out and get Chevolays.
I don't know how many people that like they like,
how many people at their TV network go out and actually go and purchase the car.
Like, I'm like, when my lease is up, I'm just getting a Chevy.
I'm not saying we're not effective.
I think we are proven to be effective.
It's just shocking that we are as effective.
I actually have a history of Chevy now that I'm thinking about it.
My first car was a 1985 Chevy Caprice.
And that thing was a boat.
It was a beautiful, beautiful old car weighed about 4,000 pounds.
And it was just, it was beautiful.
And then my second car after that was a Chevy Cobalt, which I also loved.
It's like a smaller two-door compact car that I love.
The Cobalt's a classic.
Yeah.
I have noticed that rings though.
Like you're watching Monday night football and you'll see ads for Chevy EVs.
And I'm like, well, this is definitely part of the same marketing budget.
I'm watching it on Monday Night Football.
Like one person on their team was like, you know what?
I'm going to come up with this sick commercial, these EVs with their electric blue and the agency.
Yeah.
Coming around trees and agencies.
And the other person was like, I'm going to get a 60 second ad read on the four play golf podcast where they're going to talk about going to Florida with old people.
doing a fucking golf show.
So here we are.
We're talking about Chevy EVs.
Silverado to the Blazer.
All kinds of their classic models are now available if you go on their website in the EV and EUV space.
So you don't have to be some rich purse.
You don't have to be it.
They got Chevy's EVs now for everyone everywhere.
So go check them out.
We love Chevy.
Great logo.
I think I'm going to get it on my golf bag.
Like I said.
A couple administrative notes.
Fall merchandise.
It's fall.
It's fall.
It's fall.
We spoke about it.
just pre-show how we're in that transition phase, man.
It might be 75 during the day.
You wake up.
You had your AC on.
You wake up and it's like 51 degrees inside your home or your apartment.
Happened to me.
What you guys are describing right?
I woke up 59 degrees it set on my thermostat because last night and we went to sleep.
It was pretty nice out.
I like it to be cool.
Set the cool air for like, you know, whatever, 67 degrees in the house.
Woke up.
Needed the heat.
It's fucking absolutely freezing out all of a sudden.
We got sweaters.
We got Q-Zips.
We got hoodies.
We're wearing a little bit of all of it.
New lines store dot parcel sports.com.
Go check out some merchandise, baby, the tiger swing.
This thing gets, of all things I've worn, I would say this gets the second most comments in person,
only to the pink barstool golf hoodie that we released earlier this year.
This gets an outrageous amount of comments, this tiger progression swing, because it's the year of the tiger,
obviously.
Yeah, the year of the tiger is incredible.
The progression swing is so good, wait until you see what we have coming out for Christmas.
Christmas is going to be Christmas this year will blow your fucking doors off.
I mean, we hit it hard last year.
We had a lot of really good designs.
Our ugly sweater last year was like the number one ugly sweater in the Barstle store.
It broke all the records.
I think this year it's going to be 10 times better.
It'll be 10 times even more bought because it's that good.
And then I want to talk to you about this thing that I'm wearing right here.
It's an unreal quarter zip.
It's a little bit tight fitting.
Look at it on the arms.
Even it makes me look athletic.
You have to go check out these unreal quarters dips.
It's everything about Unreal is just stepping it up right now.
They've got those pants in our store.
I don't even know if those things are still available.
If they are, you're lucky.
Like, if you go to our store right now and check out for those, those apex pants from Unreal
and they're still on the store, you're insanely lucky and you have to buy them now.
That's how good they are.
I wear them every single day, all the colors.
I'm wearing the Unreal hoodie right now.
It's very techy.
Makes me feel very athletic.
Kind of look a little bit like an astronaut, which I think is a very cool thing.
And fall golf is when you can really start dressing.
Isn't that, wasn't that like a meme for a little bit?
Holy.
Yeah.
In the summer, what?
You're going to wear a dry fit or, you know, a moisture wicking polo and shorts.
In the fall, you've got some options.
So, layer up.
Summer's childish.
Yeah.
You wear mesh shorts and a t-shirt.
If you have like feminine, you know, legs, then yeah, it's pretty stuff.
Yeah, it's childish.
You like show up to dinner with like shorts on.
Like, you're like, everyone like looking at you.
Like, what are you doing?
You had a, what do you have like calves that you were proud of?
That you would be the most shorts, heavy guy in the world.
it's just very childish to me to like walk around shorts and like it looks like you're walking around
like and you just held a balloon and you walked into a restaurant and they're like can you please let
the balloon go before you walk in here are your parents here with you or are you where i'm here on my
shorts yeah uh can you guys please turn down the ac i got my shorts on you guys have chicken nuggets
you frank you turn into mike tyson there for a second yeah you kind of did that's weird anyways
i mean mike tyson talks like a baby you fucking idiot always that always that always
me? Yeah. Oh, okay. Does he not talk like a baby? Yeah, I was just saying that you sounded like
him for a second. I didn't know I was going to call him. He's got baby talk. All right. I was just saying
you sounded like Tyson for a second. Jesus. It's a little overwhelming to dress in the fall. You get too
many options. A lot of options. You go from no options like we said. Then you wake up one day. The high is
57 and all of a sudden you've got a million options. You can go cruneck. You can go hoodie. Should I put a vest on?
Do I need a jacket?
Is it, you know, it's just a little bit overwhelming.
It's called being adult.
All right.
All right.
Frankie's not higher in this conversation.
Sports.com.
Fall is just the time to be dressed.
It's just, it's the time to go and get stuff.
It's time to go get hoodies and shirt and long sleeves and layer.
It's just the better time to get dressed in the summer.
Summer's just childish.
Store.
Not barstlesports.com.
Go get yourself some fall gear.
We got our whole lot.
And then Brayette 90,
returns on Thursday.
Yep.
Breaking 90.
Episode 10,
attempt number nine,
Rockville links.
You got to check it out.
The fifth hole is there.
Thursday night,
please watch.
We've taken a little bit of a break
because we've been traveling so much.
But it felt good to get back at it
and get back out there and,
you know,
you'll have to wait and see what happens.
Can I ask one question?
Sure.
I just want to say,
go ahead.
I feel like John Tilleri's,
you know,
kind of like careers on the line here.
I mean,
he's got,
it's getting,
it's getting close he's got he lost ricky rickie rickie's playing like the best golf of his life now
and then Trent Trent you kind of have you kind of have john tillery's like like
reputation is in your hands and you can go out there and absolutely deliver for him i feel like
you have an opportunity how does that fall i mean it partially falls on me but i can't all fall in me
there's the rickie fallers the step strong options i'm saying like it's kind of this if you
when's the last time you saw john tillery because i saw him at the president's cup and he was like
you know, he can't keep making these videos until he sees me again because I saw him once and three
months later he's like, oh, Tilleri breaking 90, he needs you to see him again. I know, no, we talked about
that. I saw him at the president's come as well and we had a nice long talk about it. And, you know,
his schedule's crazy. My schedule is crazy. I would, we've talked about this podcast before where
I would love to go down there twice a month. I would love to do that. But it just doesn't seem to be in the
cards. And we like on the one side of it, I need, I want to improve and my golf game needs to get better.
On the other end of it, we also need to keep putting these videos out.
So it's it's like, yeah, I'd love to go see him, but I can't just not do it forever until I go see him.
So we got to keep putting these videos out.
And, you know, I hope that his reputation doesn't solely fall in my shoulders because if so, you know, we both might be looking for new jobs.
But I'm going to keep, I'm going to do my best, you know, that's just all I can do.
Did you hit the first fair way?
Uh, no.
Okay.
that's a little sneak peek but we did we actually that people knew that because we went live we went live
on instagram yeah um yeah no i mean you're talking a lot about all this as if thursday it just doesn't end
like i don't know this conversation's kind of weird to me because this video's coming out on
thursday and it's like this all like this whole thing could just be over you know what i mean like
yeah that's what the reputation i guess is on the line you guys could be selling this pretty
pretty good but i mean i was there so it's like it's definitely worth watching on thursday it's a very
fun video. That's all really you can say. It's really hard to promote these things. As I've said
since they came out, it's like hard to talk about, hard to talk about why you have to watch it or what's
going to happen the next time because you don't know if there's a next time. We know if there's a
next time. They're good videos. They're fun videos. They've always have been. People, people love them.
Obviously, they want me to break 90, but they like them. That's right. It's a big night Thursday.
I'm excited. It could be monumental. When you broke 100, I mean, it was, it took over the internet for days.
So Thursday night will be Thursday night football, obviously, and the Yankees will be on against the Astros, which will obviously grab a lot of the nation's eyeballs.
So I think we'll probably decide to on what, like seven o'clock release, maybe even earlier.
What time is the Yankee?
7.30.
We'll probably do seven.
Yeah.
So around 7 o'clock, look for it.
It'll be on our YouTube page.
Watch that.
It's always a two viewing experience.
You throw that on your laptop or your phone or your.
TV and then you got your other TV getting the Yankee game on.
Then it'll be off before Thursday night football.
So that's just a little scheduling change.
It usually goes on an eight.
So we're going to go seven o'clock.
Got to have multiple TVs.
I've got to become a big,
I got to become a multiple TV guy.
I only got one.
It's good, man.
It's a good move.
You know,
I've got the three.
And sometimes,
you know,
it's just good to have options that way.
It's,
I would highly recommend it.
I don't think Emma would ever stand for that.
We only have one seating room because,
of where you live in an apartment and it's just like that's such a tough sell yeah yeah yeah i don't
have any of those issues actively working on yes me too i'm actively working on a room well we haven't
like even started it yet but like after six months of having the house i've now decided that i want
a room that i have like the most tvs in you know what i mean yeah like a sunday in october room
there were so many sports the most the most TVs a ticker everything
Just I don't want to be able to, if my eye drifts, it's on a screen.
So let me ask you a question because I'm going to go into this.
I'm going to get a setup.
I've been inspired by Trent, basically.
Trent's got the whole deal and you, and I know that Trent and I are about equally as handy.
So we're not particularly handy.
And I don't know anything about TV.
How do I know if a TV is better than another?
Because I'll go into like Best Buy or something.
I feel like the guy is just going to sell me.
on the most expensive one.
It's going to sound very simple, but I would go by price.
All right.
The most expensive one is expensive for a reason.
It's not, I mean, they are brands.
I know, but with like wine, with like wine that's not necessarily true.
And I know TVs are different than wine, like sits around for like hundreds of years and
then it's more expensive or whatever it is.
Like they barrel it, the whole thing.
It's different than, like, if a TV sitting around for a longer time, it doesn't get
better in age.
It's actually the newer TVs are more expensive.
Right, but I'm saying they might be more expensive just because of a brand name,
even if it's not genuinely.
That's my point.
That's my point is that.
I don't know that there's like a better brand than another.
Like LG isn't that much better than Sony and Sony isn't that much better than,
I'm not trying to think of another.
Samsung.
They're all just generic,
just electronic brands and they all happen to make top end TVs in each category.
What I would do is try and boy up one of the guys at Best Buy.
I would try and boy up one of the guys at Best Buy,
see if you can sort of break down that external layer of salesmanship and just be like,
hey, level with me here, pal.
What's the best one for the price?
And I do think that TV seller,
guys are less devious than, you know, like an oil change guy.
I would hope so.
You know what I mean?
They're just going to be like, yeah, this TV is, it costs this much because it's better
than all those other ones.
And I do think that's probably the best route to go.
I do think they make commission off of their sales, though.
That's why they throw a little sticker on your, when you're, when you're checking out
on your receipt.
That's what I'm talking about, man.
That makes me a little nervous.
Like, we also live in the world of YouTube and shit where you can go and watch people,
they rate these TVs, YouTube channels.
That's how I found mine.
That's how I found the LG OLED.
I mean, this guy legitimately bought every single TV on the market,
turned them on and talked about every single one of them.
Why you should get this one?
Which one has the most reflection if you have sun coming from behind the TV?
Which one does the best with like blacks and darks?
And like if you're watching like a nighttime version of Game of Thrones,
like the final episode or that final fight in Game of Thrones,
no one could see anything.
Like the OLED is better for that because it has better blacks and dark colors and stuff.
they have all these reviews on it.
So you have to go watch these guys do reviews.
I mean,
if you're at a house,
that's all I do is watch YouTube reviews.
If you're looking for an anecdote from someone that you know,
me and you're looking to buy a TV,
a big one,
I can tell you that my TV is sweet.
So if you want to look at it.
Everyone's happy with their TV though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, you know,
I don't know all the ins and outs of like the darks and,
you know,
if you look at it from this angle,
it looks at the same.
If you're looking at it from straight on,
that type of stuff,
I'm very happy with my TV though.
So if, if that's the review you're looking for,
I got it.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah, maybe I'll do the review thing.
I'm worried I'm going to do the review thing.
And then I'm going to have a whole plan.
I'm going to walk in there.
And the guys would be like, yeah, yeah, that one's solid.
But like, have you seen this one?
And then I just cave and I did it all for no reason.
So, yeah, anyways, I'm going to get into the TV game because I don't we're going to be streaming.
We're going to be doing video games.
The blues are going to be on.
There's sports.
It gets dark earlier.
The whole deal.
I want to have a whole TV.
LG OLED.
That's yours?
And trends.
I have an LG as well.
Who's got the biggest TV?
I'm 65.
I think I'm 67 as well.
77.
He gets to do whatever he wants.
I can do whatever I want.
I live by myself.
We have women.
I live unattached to anything in this world.
I'm floating in space at all times.
Oh, there's candy over there.
Oh, there's a 77-inch TV over there.
Oh, I'm going to go to bed at whenever.
It's personally for me, it's the best way to live.
I had to fight for 65.
Emma wanted 50, and I was like maybe for the bedroom,
but I am going to need a much larger television.
Why?
Smaller in the bedrooms.
better, yeah. What are they rooting, what are they rooting for smaller for? Because the larger the TV,
it sort of like looms over the entire room. So when we're in her room, and this is crazy, but a lot of
women, I think, have the situation. When we first met, the apartment she was living and had no TV
in the living situation. She would just watch things on her computer if she wanted to. So going
from no TV to a huge TV, it's like, when you sit down in our living room, you're going to watch TV.
It's just the whole, the massive TV is there. So we end up watching sports all the time and she's not
happy about it. I see.
That makes sense. That checks out, actually.
Rick, just get a big fucking TV.
Huge TV. I mean, yeah. I got to get one bigger than Frankie's. That's my goal.
So it's 65 and a half inches. We're good.
Yeah. That's fine. I got a 65 inch in three rooms. I just need to combine them to a 180 inch.
All right. We're talking sports. Yankees game last night.
Coming up. I winners are looking good. I think they're 2 and 0.
Two and one. First game was a tough loss opening night against the Panthers, but they are looking
really good. The offense is there. The offense, they're just putting pucks in the net. I'm not going to say
it was the coaching change. A lot of people are already seeing that it might have been the coaching
change. Wallstrom was getting benched last year and wasn't being talked to by Barry Trots.
He's got three goals in his first two games back with the Islanders. He's just a fucking rocket.
He's just got a rocket of a wrist shot, which is what we've always needed. So yeah, and the defense is
scoring. It's insane. Defense is putting the puck in the net. That's what I've always asked for.
How do you go see these games in person? Game time. Last night I went. Last night I went. I had a whole day
yesterday played golf with Francis Ellis. We played at Deepdale. The place was just the hardest
golf course of all time. And then I went straight. I was sitting on like the 17th green saying,
why am I not going to the Islander game tonight? I know it's Yankees, but the Yankee game will be probably
over by the time that's puck drop. And I went on game time. I got a last minute ticket. I sat center
ice at UBS all because of
game time. Me and my buddy Kyle, we went and we had a great
time. We had a great time. I ate prosciutto
at UBS.S. I had a plate of
prosciutto and grapes. I had a plate of
prosciut and grapes and the islanders scored five
goals right in my eyeball. It's nice.
Game time, baby. That's why I was able to go.
I saw a bunch of people at the Yankee
game last night posting
you know, video stories. Everybody's hyped up.
It was pure chaos as it should be.
NHL's back. If you want to see games
this season, you need game time. The blues
for whatever reason, the blues have only
played one hockey game up to this point.
That doesn't make any sense.
One?
Yeah, I don't understand.
They played Saturday night and then they had another two days off, three days off,
and they played tonight.
They play the Seattle Cracket in Seattle.
But I'm like, everyone I'm looking at is played three or four games and blues have played
one game.
It's infuriating.
But I'm like, are they not?
They're just going to play less games and everybody else if they're playing once a
a fucking week.
I saw that whoever the Islanders played last night, they've played five games, right?
Yeah.
Because they're own five.
make any sense.
That's crazy.
Anyways, blues are on the West Coast swing,
so I won't be able to go to a game,
but when they get into town,
when they come out to Arizona,
when I go back to St. Louis,
and they're there,
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Okay.
Talking points.
I got a couple talking points.
We got some, um, oh, we're going to be playing the avalanche next week.
So I know people were, uh, we're going a little bit back and forth on the scramble situation.
We're talking hockey, game time, sports, whole deal.
Colorado Land Scramble coming out next week.
Just a quick preface.
Like we need a win.
The boys need a win.
A lot of losing on the scrambles.
Just several losses in a row for the four-man scramble going up against the...
We made a substitute.
That didn't work for the first.
You know, this is a huge one for Dan.
Like, Dan needed to step up.
It's like when you get a big free agent and the crowd gets all hyped for the first one.
And then now the booze are starting to come in.
Yeah, I'm just going to tease out.
Frankie gave me a really good.
Pep Talk on the first tea.
He just needed to step up, man.
Like, yeah, he needed to step up.
We're playing the Colorado Avalanche.
They're defending Stanley Cup champions.
We're playing them in Colorado.
They showed up in matching outfits four hours before the tea time.
Like, we just the same car.
We need to win.
They all came in the same fucking car.
They drove to someone house and carpooled and drove together like this.
We're up against it, man.
We're losing.
Like Frankie said, the fans are booing us.
We got to win.
Yeah, this is getting, you're acquiring a big free agent.
it's like it's it's new york this is what new york fans do they get all excited and then sometimes
like the limelights like too big for the first game this is like why um zach ranky said he never wanted
to come to the yankees because he couldn't handle all the stress of new york of being booed if
he didn't do good at his job like if you lose that first game they're going to be on you but if
you win that second game it's like the greatest thing of all time so this was a huge matchup first we got
gabriel landisg the captain who's literally bringing in the cup on opening night to the
Colorado Avalanche. He was like showing it to all the fans one last time. He gave them like a
farewell tour of the cup that they had achieved and won. It's like the coolest shot of all time
of them at ball arena. And then we've got Devon Taves. Obviously we've got a huge history with him
with the Islanders and we've all played golf with him. Then we got J.T. Comfer, who was just like the
nicest guy ever. Niceest guy ever. Gentle. Really, really good hockey player. And then arguably the
best hockey player in the world in the universe is Cal McCar. Nicest guy.
all time absolute stud
10 finger baseball grip
can hit the ball mile
he's just everything he does is incredible
Trent talked the other day about how
Barzell makes the defensemen look like
they're not moving and then like
Cal McCar does that but also sends him
sliding into like the benches and shit like
the other day when he broke that guy's ankles I've never
seen a professional defenseman gets so
embarrassed by a guy on skates that guy's been skating
his entire life and McCarr made him
legit slide out of the zones on his
back. He slid out of the
defensive zone on his back. He was in
neutral zone hockey as McCar's
going towards the fucking net. If you had to
power rank the best players in
the NHL right now, where does
Kail McCar land?
Like maybe like definitely
top five. I think it's a question of
like if you're going to do a fantasy GM
who would you like start your franchise way? He's like 23
isn't he? Yeah, he's a defenseman.
He's young and he doesn't have
as much of like a
Maccar could potentially be
number one soon and people might even take him number one now but i feel like he needs you know a couple
more years to really like show that he's going to be this good consistently even though he pretty much is
where it's like i don't know how you don't go mac david right now i think you have to your mickept out
it's just you can't you can't say nothing you can't go against connor mac david that's a fact like at
this point every year he keeps showing up like i can hear you guys yeah i can hear you on my mic cut
Trent's Mike cut out.
Oh, Trent's mic cut out.
Yeah, I heard a buzz.
Did you guys hear a buzz?
Yeah, I heard a little buzz too.
I was wondering what the hell that was.
I was all fired up talking hockey.
I think I agree with that.
It's really hard to not pick Connor McDavid right now because he just doesn't slow down.
He scores whenever the fuck he wants.
I don't know how he can't defeat that.
Trent's getting defeated by his mic right now.
So anyways, that's coming out next week.
Trent breaking 90 coming out Thursday.
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thing. Okay, golf news. The New Yorker came out with a piece. Dan Rapaport came out with a good
blog on barstolesports.com about the New Yorker piece. I think the summary is essentially the New Yorker
went through for the average human, not necessarily the golf fan, because the golf fan lives this
every day, anybody who lives this podcast or listens to this podcast, who's in any way tapped into
golf Twitter and golf Instagram and all that shit pretty much has seen this play out step by step and
knows where we're at. But I think the average sports fan, the average American, the average person
reading The New Yorker has probably heard Liv, and they've seen some Phil stuff, but they don't
really know what the fuck's going on. The New Yorker piece was a very good summary of the entire
thing, kind of a recap with a few new nuggets in there. And Dan, what were, what are some of the
bigger kind of new nuggets of information that came from this? Well, one of the, the funniest one was
that they tried to rent the Augusta National Clubhouse to have a meet and greet with players,
which is just, and they were told like that, you, yeah, it's never going to happen.
You can't do that.
But no, I think the most consequential quote was this guy Majed al-Sauror, who the way I understand it is the guy who runs the PIF, which is the public investment fund, that's basically the Saudi money, is this guy, Yasser.
Yasser and Majir and Majer and Majed is now the head of Gulf Saudi, and he's also on the board of Newcastle Football Club, which the Saudis just bought.
Majed said they were asking him about the majors and he said right now it seems like the majors are siding with the PGA tour and I don't understand why but if they do it will make me happy I will create my own majors for my players there are two parts of this quote that I think are sort of troubling number one is my players
these guys now feel like the guys who have signed with live these are my players basically I sort of own them which is you know might just be semantics but just don't like the way he's conceptualizing that
Yeah, it's like an owner or GM talking about their team more so than a tour talking about their players, right?
That's totally.
Yeah.
That's totally fair.
That's a really good comparison, actually.
And golfers are not used to being owned by anybody.
No.
The second one is that I will create my own majors.
And this is something that I've talked about publicly in the past.
And this is one of the reasons why I think the majors might not go with live, why they might actually resist is because what is stopping the Saudis from saying, fuck the masters.
We're going to have our own masters.
It's going to be down the road.
We're going to have a purse that's 10 times what the master's has.
Our winner is going to make $30 million and all of our players are going to play.
And that's how a sport dies.
When there's no tournaments that everyone agrees are the pinnacle of the sport,
that all kids grow up wanting to win, that everyone circles on their calendar,
then it becomes meaningless.
And again, I don't blame guys for taking the money.
But it's a game theory situation here.
The individual is going to act in his own best interest, even if it's not in the best interest of the whole.
Sort of like a tragedy of the common situation.
So it's almost like these guys, they want to play nice.
They want to be part of the ecosystem.
They want to be additive until they don't get their way.
And then they say, screw you, we're going to do it our own way.
And that's what I'm scared of.
I'm scared of a position where Liv stops trying to cooperate and stops trying to be a part of this and stops trying to get world ranking points and stops trying to get their guys in the majors.
and just said, screw it, we're going to do it ourselves.
We're going to pay these guys a billion dollars and they're going to do it.
So it was sort of, they said the quiet part out loud.
I suspected that they were thinking that way, but that was the first time that you heard it really explicitly put out loud.
I have a question.
What's the difference between what they're doing and then just saying it's a major?
Like, I don't like how they just say this one's a major?
That's not, that's not coming in anything.
Yeah.
I think what they're saying is they'll have it the same week and they'll have more, you know, more money and make it go directly against the majors.
Right.
Right. So if you do it at the exact same time, then you make people choose, then you're right, Frankie.
Like, nobody's going to be, people like us are going to be sitting around being like the guy that won the live event that week won a major championship.
But they're going to ruin the masters basically by saying, like Danny said, they're going to be like, we'll open this to any professional golfer.
And the winner, we're going to put a hundred million dollar purse.
The winner is going to get 30 million.
Everyone that plays is guaranteed to get a million dollars.
And it's at Sage Valley.
and it's April 8th through the 12th.
And it's like, you know what I mean?
And then like he's saying, that's sort of like, oh, shit.
And now the person that wins the actual masters that week, it won't be full askerisk.
But like if a bunch of guys in the top 20, you know, didn't play because they're down the street because they can make $30 million.
It's like that sort of kind of ruins our majors.
And I just looked it up real quick.
The PIF, which is the fund that we're talking about, that is behind live, has a,
a $620 billion value.
So they're estimated to have $620 billion.
So when there's a lot of this chatter about this thing doesn't make money and they're
spending a billion or they might spend $2 billion, they have $620 billion to basically
do what they want with.
Yes, their ultimate goal is to make money at the end of the day with the fund.
That's how it got up to $620 billion.
But if they need to spend a couple billion here to, like, better their reputation so they
can make more money with bigger partnerships elsewhere.
That's not a problem.
And like you're saying, Danny, this guy essentially feeling like I don't give a fuck about,
you know, if people are going to have to pick sides, my side's going to be fine.
And that comes from, like you just said, him essentially being like, these guys don't
understand business.
I get business and I have unlimited money behind me.
So I will do whatever the hell needs to be done.
We will create our own major championships as they're going to call them.
And yeah, it would be really, really, really shitty if they decide to just go up against
the masters, go up against the US Open, go up against the British Open, go up against the PGA,
and those tournaments, they can't put out, you know, prize pools, purses that are going to be near
there. That could crush those tournaments. I've got a little bit of sort of half news. I've been hearing
rumors that they're going to have a big tournament opposite the players this year, which makes a lot of
sense because the players is the PGA Tours flagship event, but it started, right? Like the first year
of Liv, they were strategic in that they scheduled their tournaments opposite tournaments
that weren't that big.
So there wasn't a tournament opposite the players or, you know, it hadn't launched yet,
but there wasn't a tournament opposite certain events because they wanted to at least say
that we will allow our guys to do both.
Well, now with the PJ tour, the changes in their schedule, there's going to be all these
big events throughout the year.
They're going to be a lot more events where there's a big PJ tour event and a big live
event, if that's a thing, happening at the same time.
And it's almost like it's like the veil has been taken off.
This isn't about being additive to the golf ecosystem.
This is a power trip.
Right? This is wanting, you're wanting the best players to be playing in your league, my players. And if it doesn't work out, then I will create my own majors and we'll create our own little ecosystem. So it just felt like it sort of revealed their intentions a little bit more bluntly than they had in the past.
This is definitely a little bit more of a threatening, like, thing to me than it ever has been. Like, not, like, Greg Norman's no longer making these, like, these statements. This is just the actual Saudi saying, like, this is what.
do. It felt very threatening to the PGA tour where it's like try us. You know what I mean?
I think it's threatening to the majors too. Yeah. Because the majors can't if it's if they take over the
PJ tour what's stopping them from taking over the majors just tradition and history because they don't
have the money. Right. Right. And it's going to fall on the players to just accept the fact that they don't
care about money. And in human nature, that's going to be really, really hard to get the majority of people
to go with legacy over cash. It's divide and conquer. That's what they're doing. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm
saying where it's like if they had that tournament at Sage Valley, people would play.
100% they would play. And you don't, you understand that. If I was offered a spot in that
tournament, you know, I might play. And that's where I'm saying on the individual level, it makes
a ton of sense. But we are not fans of the individual golfer. We are fans of golf as a whole.
And so what's in the best interest of the individual might not be, and I think in this case,
is not in the best interest of the entire golf ecosystem. Now, is this a bluff that they're
hoping Augusta just lowers their guard and just allows live players to go play in it.
Because now my question would be if he's already put this out there and it sounds like a good
idea from a business standpoint, why would he ever now just allow his live players to go play in
the Masters? Why wouldn't he just do this Sage Valley thing? Because it's already out there in
the world. People are saying, oh yeah, like they're definitely going to get players if that happens.
Why wouldn't just go do that? Why would he want, do they think that it's going to be better for
their league if guys can play in the Masters? I think it would cross a lot.
with players.
Okay.
I think that was probably, you know, you talked about how much money are in these contracts
that you would hope that these lawyers and these agents are really taking a close look.
I would think that there's some sort of clause about playing in the major championships
because these guys still really want to play in the Masters.
Maybe some of them don't, but at least publicly they're saying, if I want to do this
and I want to play in the majors, the majors are still the majors.
And the majors have distanced themselves from the recipe.
DJ tour events. We're too close to it, but you ask your buddies, all they watch is the majors.
They don't really give a shit about the BGA tour events. So if you tell the best players in the world
that they can't play in the four tournaments that the general public cares about, I think that's
might cross a line and might lead some guys to being like, what's really going on here? Because I was
told that I was going to be able to play in the majors. Yeah, I feel like the majors allow the live golfers
to still feel like they're at at some level, you know, a child that's playing for glory.
playing for what they grew up playing for.
And they're like, yeah, I play out a different league and I make a ton of money.
And we have a good time.
We fly around in private jets.
I still compete weekend and week out.
And then I still have that four times a year.
I get to try to peak and take over the sports world.
And if I win, I'm on ESPN and I'm on the Tonight Show and I'm at the champions dinner forever.
Like they still get to have that, even though we're kind of like constantly talking about
how they sold out.
They still have that.
Whereas if they don't have that, I think you're probably right, Dan.
Like, there's going to be some guys and some players that aren't going to care as much.
Like, I don't know that, like, Pat Perez is going to give it.
He doesn't really get to play in the majors at this point anyways.
I don't think he gets a fuck.
But the Cam Smith's, you know, players of that kind of caliber.
It's like they are going to want to play in the majors.
And I do think, I think you make a great point, Frankie.
It could be a little bit of a bluff.
Yeah.
Could work.
It could fucking work.
It could cause them, you know, I don't know, the Masters as much, but like, it could cause the U.S.O.
But, you know, 90% or something of the USGA's annual revenue.
who comes from the U.S. Open.
Like, they have to have the U.S. Open needs to continue to be incredibly important and relevant.
And if that starts to dwindle or get diminished at all, they're going to be in trouble.
And this could easily cause them to be sitting around being like, all right, let's put something out that's going to make it very clear that everyone that should qualify is going to continue to be able to qualify and play in the U.S.
Open and get invited if they're top X or whatever, even if they're in live because we do not want these motherfuckers to go after our entire organization.
Yeah, and to your point before about it makes them feel like a kid like for glory,
not only that, but I feel like the majors are the only thing that would allow them to feel
like they're the top of the world in their sport because right now everything is so equal
at live.
It's team play.
You can finish in last like Paparise and still make $5 million.
Everything's guaranteed.
So I feel like that's probably taken a couple of the guys, like they have pride in being the best
in the world.
Camp Smith for sure in some part of his brain is like I'm the best golfer on the planet and
at least I'll go get to prove that four times a year when I go win like the open again and I go
to Augusta and I win the masters and I just like start taking all these trophies from all these other
guys. But now if you take that away from them, that for sure is going to just like, you're never
going to be able to get stacked up against any sort of ranking system. You're done. Your ranking
system is over. There is no ranking. That's what I'm saying. And that's how a sport dies because that's
what happened with boxing. There was a heavyweight champion. And everyone knew who the heavyweight champion was.
and there was one belt, and then all these things started splintering off, and then no one
knows which way is up.
That's what you're saying.
There needs to be a tournament that all the best players in the world play, because then you
know who the best players in the world are.
If not, then you don't even know which ways up.
We need rankings.
I need rankings in PGA Tour 2K23.
I want to know who's the number one golfer in the PGA, in the Barstool Golf Society.
I don't care where it comes from.
I honestly don't, and I've never cared about where to come.
I just want, who's number one?
Who is number one?
I'm a stats.
I obsess over stat.
Last night, I just looked at like, NHL standings for like,
two hours just like seeing who won like you need who's number one and who's number's
fucking 32 that's all I care about and if they get rid of that that's just going to be the
worst thing for everyone that's the worst thing for live that's the worst thing for the pGA tour it's the
worst thing for every single golf tour on the planet if there's no number one why even play the
sport then well that's kind of the problem that they're dealing with now with the world rankings
because dust and johnson's been playing great at live he's down to like 26 in the world
there's not a person on the planet who thinks that there's 25 golfers better than
Dustin Johnson.
Right.
And I understand that there's criteria and that there's, it's been laid out.
You got to have this of a number of events and you have to have this many guys in the
field and there has to be a cut.
I get it.
But those rules were not created for a tour that has Dustin Johnson and Cameron Smith.
We got to figure out a way to incorporate them into the larger ecosystem.
Right.
Those, those like thresholds that you had to hit were created in a world where live didn't exist.
So it's really not fair to like have those same.
Like those rules were created for the Middle Eastern.
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My Zoom just kept crashing
I had to restart my computer
The old restart worked
I kept trying to enter and it was it was giving me
the rainbow wheel which you never love to see
So I was like I just got to do a hard reset
and I'm back
last week here
I had the internet
was going out every 15 minutes or so just like Dave
Dave Portnoye show last week
and I just I'm so pathetic
and I just kept trying to deal with it
and like freak it out that my internet sucked
my brother came and showed up
he's like I'll just reset it real quick
and he just reset now it's just perfect
it's been perfect ever said
it's amazing how that still works
there's something about
makes me feel like technology is a little bit human
where if you just give it a hard reset
it's like oh yeah I remember what I am now
Yeah, it's like a good night's sleep.
Right.
It's so strange.
I definitely don't know what the reasoning is, but if I had to guess, it's sort of like when
we're in the office and Pete has all the Wi-Fi routers set amongst as you walk
through the place.
Like there's a Wi-Fi router for the editors.
There's a Wi-Fi router by the bloggers.
And if you walk from the bloggers to the editors, you're still connected to the one that
you were connected to when you were sitting down.
So you have to like reconnect and it shoots you a new ping to the one that's right above you.
And it's just stronger connection.
I feel like in our house.
sometimes that ping just like gets lost and like caught somewhere.
You know what I mean?
Like it's connected to something.
And then it's like stuck on that.
And you're like, well, why are you stuck on that?
And then that reset is like, okay, we're back to just free roaming.
Because if you think about, if you actually saw the pings of internet, it would be like a visual
representation of things being shot out.
That's why when those antennas, they tell you to like aim those antennas certain ways.
That's legitimately like you're pushing the internet.
a certain way.
You know what I mean?
That's my,
that's my interpretation of it.
I don't actually know what the science behind it is.
One of the best life hacks I was ever taught was when you have shitty LTE or,
or 4G connection or whatever,
that you just put your phone on airplane mode for 15 seconds and then take it off airplane
mode and exactly what you're saying.
It'll connect to a different tower or whatever.
Yes.
And it works every time.
I go from,
you can't upload a fucking Instagram story to you have perfect.
connection instantly.
I think this might be illegal.
This might be illegal because you're not,
oh,
they say it's illegal because you're on a plane,
you're not allowed to use your phone,
even though we've talked to a pilot
and he says it does literally nothing.
But when you're landing,
it's really cool to be able to,
you like go off airplane mode and go on it.
And you're just connecting to different towers
at like every two minutes.
Like you can get LTE or 5G,
like right when you get,
oh, like, when you're coming on into Long Island,
you're like, right when you get over the water,
bang,
you're fucking on.
5G. And then like you'll lose it for a second. You hit airplane mode again and you hit like
great next tower. And then like you hit Buckerman Hassett's tower. It's like it's crazy how many
5G towers you can hit as you come in. Yeah. I actually never knew how many you can connect to.
I never knew about the different towers until I was streaming red zone on my phone on like the
Fios mobile app. And when you go to a new one, it's like your service might be affected because
you're pinging a new tower because it's like depends on where you are locally of what games are
blacked out or not. And so I never really thought about that.
You're right.
You're pinging.
You're constantly pinging.
Constantly hanging.
Funny how just dependent we are and shit just work.
Right?
Like I don't need, I don't think about towers and fucking science.
I'm like, just where are the bars at?
Why is my blue thing when I send a text just 75% of the way there and won't send a text?
Like, what the fuck is going on?
And they're like, no, that's actually took years to build towers and get them to work and function and your phone to understand that it should connect to this one and not that one and not get lost in translation.
I'm like, great.
Just give me a fucking Instagram.
story that uploads in less than five minutes. And the worst part is, I think I brought this up a couple
weeks ago, but whoever that CIA guy is, that, that old CIA guy that Joe Rogan always has on
his show, Mike Baker talks about how we sold all that, that hardware. We basically bought all
that hardware from like a privatized Chinese company, and he puts privatized in like in quotes,
and he's basically saying it's state-owned equipment by China. And they've been putting these
pieces of machinery on our cell towers.
and our information towers are like internet towers for like 50 years because they play the long
game of being like, oh yeah, we'll sell this to you at like 25 cents apiece when like the
American made one was like $20 a piece.
And everyone's like, yep, I'm like a middle America internet company.
I need to go buy it from this Chinese company.
It's like the fucking cheap as dirt.
And they fucking just get all their pieces of machinery on our towers.
And then one day it's just going to be like, bloop, we turn it off and you're done.
Your grid is over.
Or we just take all your information.
It's fucking insane.
everything about us, dude.
They don't care about like instantaneous domination.
Just taken over America.
They don't care about instantaneous domination.
They care about like in 80 years, how are we going to dominate this field of the world where
no one else can even come close to us?
And they succeed in like a lot of things.
I mean, everything you wear.
It's crazy.
It's fucking nuts.
It's honestly one of the more interesting things I've ever like read up on and like learned
about like it's a new age domination of the world.
It's like you.
you talk about like the cons and all those fun gangis con and like the way he would just go into villages and just murder people this is like this is like subliminal domination it's technological warfare it's fucking crazy man it's sublim no one even cares we're talking about we're talking about we don't know what the fuck we're talking about we just want tits and ass on our phone that's all we want until something actually happens when they always talk about like the facial recognition stuff I don't care right I mean I'm not got nothing to hide and then when it happens it'll happen bro Trent just like Trent's like like
laptop just like stop working and like for those 10 minutes his life was probably like what the fuck
has happened imagine that happened to the whole country for like a week like we just like lost every it's just
oh well if that ever happened where's your money go and your bank and shit you know it's it's not gonna make
you sleep better at night but if that ever happens the world's in such a bad spot that we're about
to go to war with china that it's already over it's over like if they ever flip the switch that turns off
our entire grid that's an act of war and everything's already over just you start seeing missiles go in
Well, it's over, dude.
It's just like, you know, go fuck your neighbor.
You can't turn off our whole grid.
It's done.
The whole thing's done.
Right.
If you, you're not going to turn off our whole grin, then us to be like, ah, you rascals.
It's going to be like, you cannot do that.
It's great.
It's a great feeling, too, to think, like, of that 80 year plan by China to just basically
incept themselves in our digital culture and eventually own us, like, completely.
And we're like, no, we should be a good shape.
We've got, like, Biden.
We got like Mitch McConnell.
We got like we're we're in good shape, man.
We got Ted Cruz.
Like we're fine.
Our front lines are looking good.
Total confidence.
Their China's over there just.
Dude,
dude,
just dominating us.
Right.
Like what top to bottom.
What they have that we don't have is discipline.
They have insane discipline.
We're just like,
I want all this stuff right now.
Right now,
now.
And as cheap as possible.
So now,
I mean,
like they're trying to like change all of this software on these towers and it's like
way too expensive.
Like these companies don't want to do.
it. So now you got to bail out these companies and like it's taxpayer money and then you got to get
people to approve that. It's fucking it's fucking. It's a, it's trying to get elected every fucking two
years. Every time I turn around, they're like running for election trying to convince people. We're going
to make everything's going to be the cheapest. We're going to help you with the economy. They're going to be
there. They're over there in China. They don't report to shit. There's no elections.
Imagine what our guys. Imagine what our, imagine what our politicians would do if they didn't have to worry about
getting reelected because they knew they were going to get it reelected with 89% of the vote every single
time. Right. Their president has been a president, but he's,
now locked himself up to just be the leader for the rest of his life. He's like the first like
that's what, that's what Caesar did. Caesar was like, all right, I'm going to have a dictatorship
for 10 years. I'm going to put in a 10 year dictatorship. And then at the end of that, because I'm
going to let I'm going to push everything through that I want. And the, the, and Rome is going to be
in a better place. And then at the end of the 10 year, he's like, no, I'm going to bump that up to a
lifetime. So I'm just going to stick around and tell you guys, you know, well, we all know what happened.
But we all, I'm just going to stick around. And those places like that can do that. What did happen to
Caesar. I was going to say, I appreciate you giving like a little spoiler warning there, Trent.
I like that year. So what actually happened to Caesar? Do you guys want the full spoiler? What do you want?
Well, is it, does it happen in the Roman Empire show? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would wait. Okay.
It's more fun to learn. What season? The third one. It's the third one. All right. So I got a lot to go. It's a long show.
You could watch the whole just Caesar one because they're pretty independent of each other for them. I see. I see. I see.
I see, I see, I see. Yeah, you don't have to watch Minora. I think first one's
common, and then Caesar's second, and then I think
Caligula is third. I see. Okay. Yeah, you don't
have to watch them in order. I see.
The Iads of March, Frankie. All right, I'm going to watch it.
Does that phrase me nothing to you, Frankie? The Iids of March?
Yeah, I mean, it's a movie with Ryan Gosling.
It was a good movie. About the election, right? About the election. Great movie.
Yeah. And I know it has something to do with Caesar, but I just don't know.
It's also when you watch it, you'll be refreshed. You'd be like, oh, I've heard this
before. I feel like it happens, but it's one of those
who just gets lost. Did you get murdered at an election?
You'll see. Okay. Yeah. Just watch.
You're going to like it. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a river.
It's a guy who plays Caesar. It's iconic. It's one of the craziest things that's ever happened.
Dude, he's with Cleopatra, like the fact that she, it's crazy how just that
tied up, tied up everybody is. That's like Mount Rushmore power couple of all. Yeah. That's
unbelievable. I did not know about the Cleopatra part when I was watching it. And then when he goes to
Egypt and not you know you're going to see this isn't isn't a huge thing but and cleopatra
walks in and the actress they got to play cleopatra is stunning stunning and it's just it's you're
right danie it's a power couple to end all power couple cedar and cleopatra it's that seems fake
dude it's it's a hundred percent i can't have the two biggest names of history ever and i'm with you
i was like i didn't know for whatever reason i even know i'm a history guy even know they lived within 500
years of each other cleopatra and fucking
Julius Caesar and then at one point he just goes to Egypt and just starts banging Cleopatra
and he's like yeah I got Egypt now it's like oh fuck let's go and then it's like seven months later
or however many she shows back up to to you know Rome being like hey man I got something for you
it's crazy and we sit here talking about how ridiculous like Game of Thrones is and we're like actually
I mean what actually happened is a little it's just as nutty I mean the guy went to Egypt and just
grabbed Cleopatra and started banging her and was like, all right, who's next?
It's like, unbelievable.
It is.
Unbelievable.
Wow.
Speaking of Game of Thrones, I know everyone's caught up at this point.
Danny, watch it this morning.
House of the Dragon.
Just a fantastic show.
How's the morning watch?
Well, I wanted to watch it last night, but I wasn't allowed because she's still behind.
So I just woke up and watched it first thing in the morning with a cup of ice coffee.
It was great.
It was great.
I had a thought to myself, I can't believe this is like sort of work, my job, kind of.
Yeah, because we're about to talk about it.
We're about to talk about it.
We've gotten to the point that I think everyone knew we were going to get to.
Yes.
Yeah, I didn't see the, I didn't see the, like, the Agon not, I mean, the Agon of, um,
Alicent, like who's, who's now the king.
Like, I didn't see him not wanting it.
I never saw that part coming in.
So I am really interested to see this new wrinkle of like, what is like Aman going to do with
his brother?
Right.
Because now, Agon seemed to like it when they were all clapping for him.
Which is never the greatest part of a leader.
If you're just super into, like you don't want it and then you see people cheering for you
and you're like, oh, now I want it.
That's not a great attribute.
So I was reading on Reddit, like, you know, Agon has lived his entire life because
Vassaris would never give him the air.
So he's lived his entire life like not being loved and being like the firstborn son that
still didn't get the right to the throne.
And then all of a sudden, like, as he's been like thrown into this thing, his dad's now
dead.
So like he doesn't have to worry about that.
the world around him is now cheering him for the first time.
Like that's the first time he's ever been, like, felt good about himself.
And now that could be a scary, scary thing.
I think so I'll let you guys get your thoughts in,
but I think the craziest thing ever that got overlooked.
And I had to find this on Reddit and I didn't really think about it in the real time.
When Vassaris dies and says that Agon's, you know, in his vision,
in the vision, like Agon is the one that's going to take us into the winter
and he's going to be our savior, whatever, that whole thing.
you're thinking obviously it's agon versus agon it's it's raneer's agon versus alison's agon but then you
remember because of reddit for me that john snow's real name was agon targary and so vassaris clearly
just saw in his vision like a john snow defending the realm against the white walkers and like that
kind of just went right over my head when i was watching this so this entire battle that's going to
happen wasn't even over the right agon's it's about it's it's 200 years later on that a
new agon's going to come around and be the savior that to me was really interesting yeah and it really
infuriates me how bad the last season was every time they allude to the white walkers yeah and the looming
because you're like it would have been so much better if this truly was the greatest threat ever and it was
going to be a problem and you're like no no you don't have to worry about that that much they literally
she just she just a little she just holds like a little dagger and a knife and it just ends the whole thing
Crazy how it ended.
Remember when he rose the dead?
Remember that scene where he just,
where everything was dead and then he looked across that like,
that he looked across like the water and just went like this and everyone slowly got up.
I remember sitting on my couch and standing up being like,
what the fuck?
I can tell you.
When he brought the dragon back and they took a chain and brought it out of the fucking frozen lake
and he just brought it back to life and the last thing you saw was its eyes open and like
I just got the chills.
You were like, oh,
these guys are such a problem.
They got a dragon.
And now we've got, you know,
one of the more interesting parts of the last episode was that guy,
Laris,
who is just,
he's a beauty guy.
Freak.
Just jerking off to her feet.
That scene was so interesting.
They shot it so well.
I was like,
why is she taking?
Why are they focusing so?
It was like a Tarantino movie.
It was his feet first,
right?
They looked at his feet.
Yeah.
And they like showed his club foot.
And you're like,
all right,
there's a lot of feet focus in this scene.
And then she takes off the, I don't even know what those things are called.
They're not socks.
They're, uh, leggings or, yeah, leggings or stockings.
And you're like, all right, they're really focusing.
Oh, she wants to warm her feet up.
That's nice.
It's probably cold in Westrose right now.
And then you slowly start to realize what's happening.
And you're like, holy fuck.
He, she is trading information.
So Laris can jerk off to her feet.
And he puts his hand in his pants and you're like, this show really just goes to places that you
don't think.
And it's, it's fucking crazy.
Dude, they had child fighting.
I didn't even know that was a thing.
Like a dog fighting is hard to watch.
Cock fighting is hard to watch.
They had children that they sharpen their nails and put their, sharpen their canines to make them more dangerous.
Yeah, that was absolutely insane.
But the craziest part about the feet scene was that you know that that's happened tens to twenties of times because she knew immediately what the process was.
Like there were no words exchange.
There were no head movements.
It was like if I'm going to get this next piece of information, I know from history that I have to take
my one piece of garment around my feet off.
And then the next one I have to show my toes.
And then to finish it off,
I have to, like, sit sideways and, like, have him see, like, ankle and foot.
That guy's a fucking...
Listen.
That guy's a lunatic.
We don't kink shame on this show, but something about that agreement, it just feels
really off.
You know what I mean?
It's just...
It's a lot off.
And you're right, Frankie.
Because I think since the last time we saw Laris and Allison really exchanging information
was before the time jump.
So in between time jumps, at some point, Laris was like,
I got to see those featsies if we're going to keep doing this.
And it just keeps happening now.
It's probably happened 50 times between the time.
100 times.
Yeah.
Because he's the only one that gets things done for her.
Like he's like the, he's this like crazy slithering snake in the darkness that, you know, he's,
yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what the hell.
Allison, I will say emerging is kind of a sympathetic figure.
I am in love with her.
You know, she just like it's almost, she's almost like a mom.
modern day sort of like celebrity who they feel like they're in a fish bowl and they don't like
it's everything they thought they wanted but then they get there and they're not normal and
they got like her dad literally made her go in and start banging the king who was a million years older
than her years ago and now here she is in this world where she's like thinking that she was
supposed to be doing the power thing right and she had some moments where she did and she was kind
of ruthless but at the end of the day she's like well actually we're near and I'm like I don't
I like them, but like I, it's, I do kind of want to be in power and be the queen and have the thing and not them.
But like, I kind of like them.
We shouldn't kill them.
And she's like in this weird spot now where she's got nobody she can trust and her kids a shit show and raping people.
And he feels horrible.
She feels horrible.
She feels horrible about that.
But she also like, she's in a, she's very, much more sympathetic than I expected her to be at this point.
Yeah.
You kind of expect her to be just like a power hungry bitch like Searcy, but she's not.
Right.
And wait.
So do we, we think she genuinely believes that, that he changed his mind or what do we?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So she's acting earnestly.
So she really believes that the king changed his mind.
And, and you feel for her.
I also think she's just a beautiful woman.
I'm very, very into her.
And, yeah, she's beautiful.
You're right.
She's much more three dimensional than you thought.
And you don't both sides, you understand both sides.
You understand where Damon and Rainier are coming from.
And you understand where Allison is coming from.
I'll tell you who's not three dimensional.
It's Sir Kristen Cole.
that guy's a fucking asshole
What a lunatic that guy
Dude he just at that initial meeting
When they're like King Vissarius is dead
And everybody's like
You know depressed and there's this weird
Like he changed his mind right at the end
And one guy's like hey man
I've known for a pretty long time
He's not known to do that
Sir Kristen Cole killed a guy
In a way that I've never seen before
Just shoved his head as hard as he could
On to a table and like onto those little egg things
That they bring to the meeting
And killed it
And everybody just sat there
And he was dead and it was
Sir Kristen Cole is he's a piece of shit.
He's such a piece of shit.
He's like obsessed with his honor and his code.
It's like, dude,
no one gives a fuck man.
But he's ironic years ago.
He both broke it worse than anyone's ever broken it before.
And also when he does these things,
Allison who he is indebted to because of these secrets,
even Allison's like,
this dude's got to calm down.
Like he's doing way too much.
Yeah, he's just like a he's a rattled like cuck basically.
Like he had one night with Reneer and ever since then,
because she didn't pick him on the boat.
He's like just a loser cuck who's like freaking out on Instagram.
Like if modern day he would be posting like really sad, shitty Instagrams and like, yeah,
he'd have a restraining order out against him.
And it's like, he's in a little too.
Just get over.
You're a hot guy.
Go bang somebody else.
What's wrong with the guy?
And he's just here we are 10, 15 years later.
He's like killing people over the whole thing.
So then we got the ending where I'm, I can't, I cannot pronounce this woman's name.
And I've only seen it on Twitter.
So I don't know.
Reneese
Rayneese.
All right.
So Raynees,
she's like dressed as a commoner.
They're trying to get her out of there,
but she decides to go grab her dragon,
bursts up through the floor during Agon ceremony.
Kool-Aid man intro.
Kool-Aid man intro,
definitely.
And then, you know,
the dragon screams at Allison.
Allison fully preparing to be burnt to a crisp.
She's like,
well, this is it.
And then doesn't happen and she flies away.
Now I did see,
because I was thinking about it.
After I watch it,
my initial gut reaction was,
I feel like in the,
the old show, all those people get burnt to a crisp. Or maybe Agon gets eaten by the dragon
and just plucked away or Allison or somebody. But I was thinking, all right, we're back to the George
R. Martin situation where he knows what's going on and he's going to, he's going to do it the right way.
Then I found out that that wasn't in the books. That part was not in the books, the part where she
burst through the floor and doesn't kill them. It was something completely different. So now I'm more torn.
And I know people probably get annoyed. Like, why do you care about the books? Who cares where it goes?
you know, if the showrunners want it to be this way, it's going to be that way.
But something about that scene made it feel like in the old thrones, I think somebody dies,
if not all of them.
Yeah, I think they're really playing up the woman partnership.
I think that was part of the preview of the show,
as there's this conversation between Renis and Renera,
where they're basically saying men would rather torch the realm than see a woman on the throne.
And I think that's where we're headed.
I think it's for that alliance.
And I think it's going to be more drawn out.
I think if she blasts everybody with her dragon,
then it's basically over Rainier's king queen.
I think they're going to get a lot more out of it than that.
Yeah.
But it would have been great.
And I think George has seen it coming.
None of us would have seen it.
Right.
Because what I was thinking about it too,
like what Thrones does is it is it puts you in a position where you are so into
these characters and you watch them.
You watch Allison do everything.
You see the moves that she makes.
You see her taking her stockings off for for Laris.
And then you feel so.
connect you're like, this person can't go anywhere. And then they boom, they get knocked off. And that usually
happens. And it just didn't happen this time around. I think George R. Martin has like a say in these shows,
right? And I think he had a, he was an executive producer for the last season of Game of Thrones as well.
I mean, he definitely knows what's happening. So I think they throw things by him. But I agree with you,
Trent. Like, if it's not written in the original story, it's probably not going to fit to the way that,
like, we really like it. Because clearly everything that's been written from the original story is just the
best show of all time. And then whenever they go just a little bit off script, something changes.
But if you read his blog post that he posts every like Monday or whatever, he talks about
the Sunday football, do you read these things? He talks about like, he's a jetty. He talks about the
Jets and Giants. It's hilarious. And then he talks about the performance the night before on House of
the Dragon. He said Vassaris was so good of an actor. That guy, Patty, something, was such a good
actor that he actually played King Vassar better than George Rit wrote him. He says he wants to go back
and rewrite more about the king because of all of the emotions that he unlocked in him when he saw him.
He was a great actor. He's like he went to places. I didn't even know like I wanted him to go to. Like
the way that like he just humanized him so much. His plea at the end, which is like do this for your
your grandfather who loves you all so very much was just, that's timeless. That could have been today.
You know, that's, that's human emotion.
But yeah, I wonder how he liked that, that scene if that wasn't in the, because that's a pretty
big scene.
It's huge.
You knew something was going to happen.
It just, it did have that throne's anxiety where you, you see what's happening, but you
also feel like something else is going to happen, something horrific.
And something did happen, but I, not in the way that it felt, um, Thrones like to me.
I was reading, like, imagine getting, you know, you're, you're completely just like hemmed
into this ridiculous ceremony that you didn't want to go to if you're one of these just villagers
of Westeros, like everyone's just hurtling you into this room and then all of a sudden just get
tailwipped by a fucking dragon, like just the worst Wednesday of all time for just a farmer
in Westeros. Like, come on, man, now I'm dead. Like that sucks. Right. They're like, we don't actually
care. Like we're just like, we're living actual lives. These people who live at the highest level
and have all the money there, they've got all this drama. Those people,
those people getting crowded into that hall do not care about those things they're just like I'm trying to survive trying to you know trying to do my best home they hit that home pretty hard too like you finally saw that like because all of the shows about like glitz and glamour and armor and dragons and castles and then you just see millions of people every actual real person at that point in time that I know that this wasn't a real point in time but I think they try and reference like that this was a certain time in history that everyone's just like covered in
dirt and poor and like is barely surviving like everyone except for 20 people yeah and they
when they announced that the king died everyone in the crowd was like all right all right whatever
it'll be another par yeah they couldn't give us of a fuck no no and that's that's like what
you get with deep worlds like this like i think star wars sometimes tries to do it where you obviously
know all the main characters in star wars the darts the darts the luke skywalkers and all that
but that world is so much deeper
when you're not just dealing with, you know,
the royal part of it.
I think that's really interesting because there is,
like you're saying,
Frankie,
there's just people living in the Game of Thrones world
who don't care about the king,
don't care about the new king.
It's pretty interesting.
One thing that's really different about Thrones,
and I think Succession picked up on this
and does it as well,
is that there's really not many characters
in the whole thing in Thrones or in Dragon now
that are truly and obviously,
just good people like good they're just good nor in star wars there's clearly a good side of good people
and a bad side of bad people and the only conflict is like whether han solo wants to take the money
and run but he's not like a bad person like right that's the biggest negative about him in thrones it's like
in in original thrones it was like john snow was kind of like the only just purely like actually
good person that was like trying to constantly do the right thing maybe a couple other people
And it's like that in Dragon, too.
It's like King Vasari's was actually at the end of it, like the only character in the whole thing that was truly like a good person, trying to do the good and right thing while also juggling all this other bullshit.
It's like that we've talked about it when Succession's on where it's like, who is the character that's grounded in like a normal good person that cares about and has the right values that most humans can relate to and should have?
And it's like in Dragon, it's nobody now.
I mean, that guy's gone.
That vacuum is enormous because that guy is gone.
And I think to like Martin's point of he wants to rewrite the king almost because the guy was amongst all that turmoil.
He was trying to be such a good righteous person and point the, you know, the realm in the right direction.
It couldn't quite figure out how to do it because there's so many power plays at hand and he was sick and he couldn't handle it.
Now that that motherfucker's gone.
It's like, who is really?
going to be the good person to steer this thing in the right direction. And I don't know that there is one.
All the great shows do that. They have their characters be three dimensional. I don't know if any of you
have watched the wire, but the wire on its face is a cops versus drug dealer show. It's like,
oh, I feel like you think it's going to be a procedural. But then they do the thing. And it's,
it's just like real life where they show the cops doing bad things. They show the drug dealers doing
good things. Like you get confused on who you're supposed to root for. And I think that's what makes a great
show because that's what life is like.
Yeah, and I think Succession does an incredible job of this, and Game of Thrones does as well,
is they make wealth and power look really miserable.
Yeah.
Like Succession, the whole show is shot in these gray and dark hues and all the apartments.
You know that there are these beautiful, incredible apartments that probably overlooks Central Park,
but it's always gray inside.
The lights are always off.
It's the same thing in Game of Thrones, where these people have all this power,
and they have servants, and all the other peons in the streets are dirt.
and going to whorehouses.
And yet those people are probably much happier and much more content with their lives than
the people in power.
And I think it's a subtle commentary on how power is really a double ed short.
All the best shows do it.
And we're breaking bad for sure.
Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Teacher.
And then, like, he wants to just continuously get more money and, like, get more power.
And it ends up killing them.
And it's just, it's, yeah.
Right.
Originally, Walter White is doing it.
He's making money for the right cause.
He's like, I'm going to die.
I got to leave enough money for my family.
and then it just goes haywire.
But all the great shows do do that.
Yeah.
It's wild times.
Good Sundays.
Good Sunday viewing.
I think the finale.
Yeah, finale is this Sunday?
That sucks.
Shit.
Is it really?
Yeah.
Well, the crown comes back, I think, like November 4th, so we can watch the crown.
I'll watch a crown.
They're shooting the Princess Diana stuff now.
I think I heard this will be the, yeah, well, Princess Diana, yeah, she was in the last
season, but I think this is the season where, no spoiler, but I think.
this is where the queen, quote, maybe puts her to rest.
Maybe.
You're talking about, oh, Princess Diary's death.
Okay.
You're a conspiracy guy on that.
Yeah, I don't know.
She ordered the hit?
I don't know.
You know.
Do you're on research.
I don't know.
There's just a lot.
I'll be interested to see how they portray it.
Like, I mean, they obviously portray the fact that they, like, gave her an eating disorder
and, like, locked her away in her room in this season.
Like, they make you feel like they were the worst people of all time and that they're
ruining this poor girl's life who was, like,
like forced into this world just because she was like royalty-esque and I mean her husband hated
her and wanted to marry someone else so yeah well she just happens to die like a couple years later
she was royalty adjacent she wasn't in the family right no she was just yeah she was picked like
like you know she was just a part of the like high society no she wasn't she was like living in like a
flat with like her four roommates and shit but I'm struggling to remember like where she met it's
college or something.
Nah, it was like family something.
They introduced them, I believe.
I could be completely wrong.
But she was more fit for royalty than.
Camilla?
Yeah, than Camilla.
Camilla was just like a married woman in like the farm fields.
And like he would go there and he loved her, but they hated her.
Got it.
So they were like, this girl is what the princess should be like.
Exactly.
What's make her the princess?
It's exactly what came.
with how this dragons doing.
It's crazy.
You can't marry this guy.
He's not from certain blood.
He's like, I want to marry this guy.
I want to marry my uncle and you're not letting me.
That's what annoys me when people are like,
I can't believe you watch the dragons flying around.
I'm like, it's pretty much based on shit that's happened.
Like this is,
it's not any different.
We've equated to shit that happens now to shit that happened 2,000 years ago.
Like, really not that different.
It's not.
They just have dragons.
But like,
right.
And the dragons are,
for other shit.
The dragons.
Prince Charles,
Prince Charles is literally like reindeer.
Like he like wanted to marry the love of his life.
And they're like,
no,
we don't approve.
And they're like,
here's this girl,
Diana,
that you have to marry.
He's like,
okay.
All right.
Our life's going to suck.
Like they wouldn't even look at each other.
They wouldn't even go home.
It's crazy.
And then she died.
So a lot,
a lot.
It's game of Thrones.
It is fucking Game of Thrones.
That's why I find the royal family would be incredibly interesting.
They're going to,
they're going to,
they're going to,
is it coronate?
Is that the coronation of the king?
They're going to coronate.
They're going to put a crown on a king's head like sometime next year.
And that's going to be the craziest visual of all time.
It's going to feel like we're watching Real Game of Thrones.
Guys are going to walk up these stairs and they're going to fucking put a crown on his head.
He's going to sit at this chair and just everyone's going to go crazy.
Bananas.
All right, moving on.
2K.
We have to talk about video games.
2K.
We're in the video game.
I don't know if we made that clear in the last show, but we are in PJ Tour 2K23.
It's out.
You should get that puppy.
The last game, phenomenal, realistic.
So many different courses.
You've got to truly grind your way through.
You've got to have a real golf swing.
It's not just arcade.
It's golf.
It's just like going through a golf round.
The ups, the downs.
Your swing gets a little bit out of sync.
It's incredibly fun to play.
They got Divit Derby.
They get all kinds of different options.
This podcast right here is obsess with PGA Tour 2K21,
and now obsessive to PGA Tour 2K23.
It's the best video game of all time.
I can't wait to start streaming it.
just a few months, but...
Yeah, in a few months we will be.
You have to get the game now.
You've got to get good.
We're playing the society.
I've gotten a bunch of DMs saying that the PS5 one is not ready on the society.
I'll fix that today.
I'm not sure why it didn't go me because I did it on PS4.
I'll figure that out.
Trent, I'll come to your apartment.
I'll get your TV all squared away.
We have to start streaming.
I might be doing something different with the TV thing.
So you might not be...
I might do one of the smaller ones instead of the bigger one.
I was talking to our video game guy Alex Bush and he said that maybe a smaller
want to be better but so I might smaller is better I I hook it up to a TV I went and got a monitor this
like alienware monitor it's a fucking gaming monitor it's like the best resolution ever it makes the
games look insane but it's right here in front of your face you find that playing video games is
actually better when you're right in front of it yeah I think I'm probably gonna do that I'll do
one of the smaller ones so that would be fun I got to go to a chiropractor today because I threw
something out in my back fellas I just got to get that thing popped I played golf yesterday like
trying to get through it and it's like I just got to get this thing popped.
How did you play? How did Francis play?
I'll talk about that in a little bit because it was bad. It was really bad. It was probably
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You guys didn't play great, Frankie?
Well, I was going to say Deepdale has some greens that are so unrealistic that like PGA Tour
2K23 is so much more realistic and easy than the actual Deepdale greens.
I think I can't get.
Hold on. Excuse me, guys.
You got something to your throat there.
Let me clear my throat.
All right.
So, yeah, we played Deep Dale.
It's an amazing golf course.
It's like one of the more exclusive courses you can ever play.
The guys there are incredible.
And I got to give a hand to the fucking super there.
Chad just got, has that place so dialed in that I honestly think that if Kevin Kisner
played there tomorrow just like showed up, I think he'd think that place is too hard.
Like he'd be like, I can't play this.
golf course. It's way too difficult. It's the most difficult golf course I've ever played in my life
because it's only on the green. The eighth hole at Deepdale is unplayable. It's unplayable. It's uphill.
It's uphill, but the green. So if you, so the pin was in the middle front.
Wait, I think there's a whole turn left a little bit. A little bit. Yes. slightly dog-like left.
It's easy to hit the fairway. Very easy at the green. Once you're on the green, the caddy
looks at you and says if you don't make this put, if you're behind the pin. If you don't make this put,
it's gone. You have to make it. Even if you breathe on it. We did a test where we just put the ball down on the low side of the hole and like we just dropped it an inch off the ground. It rolled to 75 yards away. 75 yards. So I had a put going up the hill and I blow it by to like three and a half feet. And then I tap the ball coming back 75 yards away. 75 yards because I push. I'm telling you this ball rimmed out. It lipped out. So now it's like what are we doing?
What is this game we're playing?
You know what I mean?
It's not even golf.
It's like don't fall off the cliff.
It's a different sport.
There's like there's there's nothing that's anything that you've ever done before that.
And you can't stop the ball.
There is no way.
There's no way.
Like the caddy's like it's gone.
It's gone.
It's gone.
You can't stop it.
We ask them where can we put this put this put to get this ball and stop?
Because there is none.
There's none.
So why is that a sport?
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
It makes you want to quit the game.
I shot a 90 yesterday
And I got congratulated by every person in the group
For how well I played
That's how hard this golf course was
You can't make a punch
I think he shot like 101
My buddy Kyle shot like 100 whatever 99 or something
Isn't Francis like a five index
Francis is really good
He strikes the ball
Incredibly well
He couldn't break on it
The place is impossible
Can't get the ball in the hole
Bro making a par there
Feels like an eagle
Like when you finally
Two put
Or if like you make like
If you get on in three
in one putt, you're like, what did I just do?
Did they know how fast they were running?
Did they have them in a stump at all?
Yeah, I think it's like pretty common, like a 13, 14, but they're so firm.
It's like...
The firm and they're super undulated.
I played there in May or June and it was super playable.
It must be like now because it's October and the green was firm.
So when I played there, it was the greens were fast and stuff, but they kept on being like,
just imagine if you're here in October.
Just wait for October.
Yeah, it was...
You got it with its teeth out.
I just don't think.
they could have had a tournament there. Like I think people would have thought it was like like Mickey Mouse.
Like we can't because I was trying to picture when we played in a TPC Twin Cities. Those greens were
a professional PGA tour greens. We played the day before the 3M tournament. And we were like,
these greens are just playable. They're extremely pure. There's nothing crazy to them. You can see how a guy
like Scotty Shepard comes out here and drains like 35 footers and like never misses puts and like as long as
you have the right speed and pace and like you're just a you know a professional golfer you can
make these puts i don't think professional golfers would have been able to make putts yesterday i don't
think so i think it was way too like otherworldly i've never seen anything like it it was like
playing on glass like we were playing on a window pane and that's when we had the discussion a few
months ago about like super fast greens basically being overrated it was the same when when you played
deep down it was ridiculous and it depends on the green complexes people were confused
refusing that or conflating that with us being like,
we don't like fast greens. We love fast greens.
We don't lie. We don't believe in necessarily. I don't.
In like preposterously fast greens just to satisfy and tell people that you have the fastest
greens in the world. Because if you have greens designed like Deepdale, they're not probably
supposed to be faster than an 11 or whatever the hell it is. And when they were actually
designed to be like a seven. When they were built, they were literally supposed to be like a seven.
And there's that, there's that, there's an image that goes around occasionally that has the average green speeds from like the top 10 clubs in the country in like the 70s or something.
And Oakmont was the fastest that like a seven and a half or an eight or something like that.
Like literally now you're talking about 13s.
And if you haven't changed the complexes of the greens, it starts to get preposterous where you literally can't be on the wrong tier and keep the ball on the green.
And like you're saying, if you're above the hole, I get.
that if you're above the hole, it's going to be, it should be way harder to make it.
And it should be in certain instances on certain diabolical greens.
If you're in a certain spot, it should be really hard to get it close or you maybe you can't
get it within five feet or something like that.
You have a six footer coming up the hill.
It shouldn't be that if you're above the hole, you literally either has to hit the back of the
hole and go in or it rolls off a false front 75 yards away.
That is just stupid.
Anybody disagrees with that.
You can't even have a rational argument with a human being around that.
And they don't understand the evolution of how everything got here.
It's like those greens were built 100 years ago to literally run at a five.
And now they're running at a 13.
Cool.
We have like agriculture was caught up in like agronomy.
And you can like, but at the end of the day, a 13 versus that like you're saying, if you put a PJ tour player out there, they would probably be fucking pissed if that was a tournament.
Well, the best part of this was so all three, we had a threesome.
And all three of us, it ended up with us just having to.
You guys had a threesome?
We had a threesome.
We had every single guy had to get their ball caught by Eddie.
So we put it off, then we chipped back on, went back to our feet, we chipped back on,
then we were all on the high side of the hole.
And then Eddie had to catch the ball because we're like, we're done.
We ended up taking eights and it's over.
The hole's done.
All three of us couldn't get the ball in the hole.
So, or stay on the green.
So now we're arguing with Eddie.
Eddie was our caddy.
And Eddie had this like attitude to him.
And he ended up being like a legend because this guy was so serious.
And in the beginning of the day, it felt like if we didn't listen to,
to his, to like his, like, point of view or his suggestion that he was actually rooting against us.
I actually said this to him one point.
I'm like, Eddie, if I take a driver here, are you hoping I hit a bad shot?
Because that's the vibe we were getting where he's like, if you don't hit a hybrid here,
you guys are fucked.
I'm like, well, what if I just hit a better shot with my driver?
He's like, nope.
And I said, well, I'm going to hit a driver here.
And if it ends up in a good spot, are you going to be mad?
And he just, like, walked away and went to the fairway.
So Eddie was a character.
But so we're kind of giving it to him all day.
And he's like getting on our nerves a couple times.
And we're getting on his nerves.
And we're like not listening to him because the greens are fucking outrageous.
But the guy knew the greens like the back of his hand.
And he would say some of these things like you have to put behind you and it has to come back.
And we're like, no, Eddie.
Like we're going towards the hole.
He's like, I'm telling you.
So on eight, we're freaking out.
We're literally laughing at this golf course on this hole at this point.
We're like, how is this a hole?
Eddie goes to this part where Francis was because Francis blew it to 100 yards away.
And Francis is like, how is that the last?
line Eddie. He's like, there's no place to hold this ball. So Eddie's like, you got to make it. Eddie
hits this, he takes the putter and hits this ball to the exact spot that he was telling Francis
to hit it to. And it went right in the middle of the hole with a lot of pace. But he drained it.
Dude, it hit the back of the cup and went in. We were dying. Bro, when he hit the putt,
he just started walking towards a hole. And I'm talking, he hit this thing sideways. And it had to
trickle down, trickle down, trickle down, gain speed, hit the center of the cup and fell in. We're like,
holy shit. So the rest of the day.
He's like I told you motherfuckers.
You should have been listening to me for the last two hours.
Like, holy fuck.
What a moment,
Freddie.
Like that is just the rest of the day.
He could shove that down your guys.
100%.
I said that to him.
Like,
how big is your fucking cock right now?
Like how you're dragging it on the floor.
I can see the Leafs moving as you're walking.
So I got him in.
I did a four play verse yesterday.
I got him in it.
You could see how intense he was on the 18th hole being like we're hitting this green.
We're getting it on the top tier.
We're putting this thing.
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and I just look at houses.
It's fun.
It is really fun.
Montana's got some great houses.
You think about moving to a house?
No.
Well,
not in the near future,
but I just,
I like looking at houses
for whatever reason.
Just a hobby.
Yeah,
it's cool.
Yeah,
Montana's got some great ones.
Utah's got some great ones.
Definitely.
Just a lot of awesome to live.
One of my favorite apps to just scroll through.
It feels healthier too than like Instagram
and all the bullshit.
You're just scrolling through looking at homes
and you start to envision what you can potentially do with it.
How,
you know,
it's interesting.
Yeah,
I deleted everything.
because I got a home and I couldn't look at like what you could have gotten in other states
and stuff.
Oh.
Yeah.
I love a, I love a Victorian style home.
I think those are beautiful.
I really love those.
I got to,
I got to have you drive through Garden City.
You got to look at all those homes.
It's insane.
They're just like legit.
It's like Victorian after Victorian after Victorian.
It's like the most beautiful town on Long Island when it comes to Victorian houses.
What is it again?
Garden City.
Okay.
It's right by Cherry Valley.
Like there's all these streets right by Cherry Valley and Rockville Links kind of like in that
area. All old school.
150 year old home.
Oh, I love those. Is the house in the watcher of Victorian
house? No. No? Maybe.
I don't know. That's such a fucking mansion.
I picture Victorian house, like the ones I'm picturing Garden City have like that
like this shape to it. Like, you know what I mean? It's like brick and
cement all like, yeah, everything's very, it almost looks like a hobbit's house but big.
You know what I mean? Is that what you're picturing? I follow a couple of Victorian
house Instagram accounts, actually.
actually.
That's incredible.
I'll pull one up right now.
Like this is, yeah.
The ones I'm looking to have really good porch situations too.
Yes.
Big porches.
Like this is,
I mean,
people on YouTube are,
oh yeah,
to see this.
Yeah.
They're just old school,
man.
I love the look of those houses.
Yeah.
Some of them have castle-like features.
I took a,
waiter.
Super nice, man.
I took a course in college.
It was called like Roman architecture.
And it was fucking fascinating.
I took it because it was just basically,
we were told that the professor was really nice and easy and, like, friendly to athletes, and we took it.
Probably my favorite course I took the entire time because they go through, you don't realize how
sort of, especially even back in that time, like, there were just only, you know, three or a handful
of style of columns, like a Corinthian column that just everybody used. And they, because one, one, you know,
culture had figured it out. And then all the other cultures that came and eventually won a war or something
against them were like, well, we're just going to do what they did. They seem to build buildings
pretty well. And then they just, that's just how buildings were built forever. And if somebody
introduced a new one, like the arches or like a new type of column, it was like, they would just
steal that. And then when the Roman Empire would like win, you know, a battle in Spain, take it
of Spain, they would just like take everything from there and bring it back to Rome. And that's how
architectural features in different places kind of like transferred into different societies and
took over to different societies because they would just defeat people in battle, look at their city and be like, huh, that's pretty cool.
I like that one.
Take it back.
It was really, really interesting.
It was great.
Huh.
All right.
A couple more talking points that we didn't get to that I would like to get to.
John Rom's comments on Phil Mickelson, we like drama on this show.
There's obviously drama behind this because the whole, they share the same agent, agency.
John Rom's, what, agent is Phil Mickelson, was like Phil Mickelson.
was like Phil Mickelson's brother, or is Phil McClson's brother?
Is that right?
Was when he first term pro.
Was his coach at ASU.
Phil's like an ASU guy.
The whole backstory, the two of them, he's commented about how Phil's his mentor.
And now here we're in a position where John Rom responded at the CJ Cup Presser Tuesday to Phil
Nicholson's comments of which we discussed on the last show.
And he said, man, I love Phil, but I don't know what he's talking about.
I just really don't know why he said that.
There's been some changes being made.
but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going down, right,
in terms of talking about the tour going down.
Truly don't know why he said that.
I really just don't know.
I think there's some great changes being made
and great changes for the players on the tour.
I don't know why he said something like that.
So even Rahm,
kind of calling Phil out on his bullshit,
it just seems of note.
There's just been a shift in the messaging from Lib, it seems.
Yeah.
It's a little more, it's a little more.
It's a little more.
Yeah.
And Phil is obviously the number one voice for that.
And yeah,
John Rom is like, I'm confused by these.
Like, why is it so combative and aggressive?
There's just been some sort of change.
I think it's frustration.
I think it's frustration that they haven't,
the other governing bodies haven't touted to them yet,
that they haven't gotten their way and they're freaking out a little bit.
Yeah, it's the same with the major stuff that we talked about before.
It's just if they can't get what they want, they're going to get what they want.
Like, if you don't give them what they want the nice way,
they're definitely going to get what they want their way.
And then another, another loop.
It is well put.
Another, um, a little note that just came out is the PJ tour announced, uh, four more elevated events.
John Deere Classic, baby, we made it.
We did it.
Congratulations to the John Deer Classic for, they made it, right?
No.
So, uh, it's a bummer.
It's a shame, Trent.
I'm really bummed out, but it's still a tournament, right?
They're not going to like eliminate the event forever.
Still a tournament.
Is that right?
The more of the other events get elevated, though, the, the more decreased in
elevation goes to John Deere Classic because I mean
We're just, it's like it's losing value.
Every other tournament gets like every other tournament gets more value and then they're
just saying that John Deere stays where it is plus live.
John Deere's lost value over the last year.
Right.
Wasn't Liv this year like yeah, we're not going to go up against any PJ tour events,
but like the John Deer Classic week, we're going to we're going to do it.
Well, that's what I was saying earlier, they went against the weaker ones.
I'm a little surprised that none of them are outside the U.S.
of the elevated ones.
Oh, yeah.
It feels like a bit of a miss.
Like,
Liv is trying to brand this as a,
we're the global tour.
Let's say what the new ones are.
So we've got the waste management, Phoenix Open.
RBC Heritage, Wells Fargo Championship,
Travelers Championship.
They will join the three FedEx Cup events.
And then also the Genesis,
the Arnold Palmer,
the memorial.
Of note, those three all have
and are basically hosted by the biggest three golfers
in the history of golf,
Tiger Woods, Arnold Palmer,
invitation, obviously,
and the Memorial is Jack Nicholas.
And then the WGC match play,
which everybody loves in Austin,
the Kevin Kisner,
match play. Some people call that. And then the Century Tournament of Champions, which is an
interesting one that's up there as well. But waste management, Phoenix Open, fun to note that now
that puppy's going to have the Super Bowl. It's going to be the Phoenix Open. And it's going to
have the top players on planet Earth are all going to be there that week. Right. And that's awesome.
And for these tournaments, it's great. I'm not really surprised. RBC is a huge sponsor of the tour.
They have two tournaments. They do the RBC Canadian Open. They do the RBC Heritage.
travelers just really turn that tournament into kind of like an afterthought into a thing that draws
a lot of top players.
I am surprised that there's no events outside the United States because Liv has been doing
this like we're the global tour, we're not just the U.S. tour.
And that appeals to a lot of people who have seen the balance of professional golf sway
so powerfully in the United States' direction where all the best players live in the United
States and play in the United States.
Now you have these 13 elevated events and they're all in the U.S., just a little surprising
to me. Where would you have gone? Asia. I was surprised. I thought Zozo was going to become one.
Do you think that's tough because it's really hard to basically mandate the top players to go to, to fly all the way to Asia for an event?
Yeah. I mean, there's definitely reasons why not, but I just, I thought that the PGA tour was going to try to be more global. That was a mission that they had stated, right? There was initially this plan for these fall events, international series events, don't think that's happening anymore because of these elevated events.
So instead of going the global route, they've doubled down on having really, really big tournaments here in the United States.
It's an interesting choice.
Do you think the players, do you think the tour wanted to, but the players pushed back on that?
It's definitely possible.
And I was going to say this with the ROM stuff because remember when ROM was talking a couple weeks ago, he was saying 20 events around the world.
It sounds like a lot, blah, blah, blah.
And then he was much more pro PGA tour yesterday where he was saying, oh, I think these are great changes.
I'm really excited about what's happening.
So I think you might be right.
I think what's best for the tour would probably be, let's have one in Japan and let's have one in Australia and let's have one.
But the players don't want to do that.
They don't want to sign up for that.
It's a good point.
To be clear, the, and I believe the elevated event means they'll all feature $20 million purses.
Tournament of champions will be $15 million, but that's the one that only has the winners from last year.
So it's less people.
$20 million purses.
And they'll be mandatory starts for the top 20 players in the tour's $100 million player impact program.
So if you want any pip actually
It's not necessarily the top 20 golfers
It's top 20 pit finishers
So if you want to be eligible for PIP basically
And you're in the top 20
You gotta be there
Is that essentially how it works?
Yeah, if you're Max Homa
You're playing it all
You have to
You have to and that's I mean it's different
That's your schedule now
Those events are penned in
And then you decide what else fits besides that
But those are now no brainers
It's like what the WGCs used to be
Like you show up there's free money
A lot of points you do it
this is what that is now.
How many of those are there going to be?
13.
13.
So those are 13 plus the majors.
You're 17.
No, I think the majors is included in that.
Okay.
One, two,
three, four,
five.
Okay.
So that's now,
you're looking at like you said.
That was so Mike Frances.
I was thinking the same thing.
Like,
when he counts the ball games.
Oh my God.
It was good.
Two,
three.
There's so many.
There's so many.
Four,
five.
like 60.
Yeah,
seven,
nine.
Number one, baby.
11, 12.
He literally has a clip out there where he counts to like a hundred and ten.
30, 31, 32.
Oh my God.
33.
So good.
There's another clip.
Funhouse is,
I think,
a Twitter account.
They do a great job.
He puts out all Mike Francesca clips and I'm obsessed with Mike Francis.
I grew up with Mike and the Mad Dog.
And I just,
I can't stop watching some of these clips.
but one of them is that Mike Francesa just every week talks about how fast the NFL schedule is moving.
And it is one of the funniest videos I've ever seen.
So he literally goes week by week.
He goes, all right, it's the Mike Francesa show.
It's a week two.
And can you believe it?
We're already in week two.
You know, sooner or later, it's going to be week eight and we're going to be working on playoff.
And then the next show, he's like, all right, it's the Mike Francesa show.
And wouldn't you believe it's already week three?
Oh, my God, this thing is flying.
And then it's like week four.
Because it's week four already, guys.
It's going to be week 16.
It's literally every week.
He talks about how fast the schedule is going.
But if you think about it, it's like, no, dude, it's just going week by week.
And you keep talking about how fast it's going.
It's actually going slow.
It's like that montage of the teacher walking in every day.
Like, hey, yeah, hey, different outfits.
Hey, I'm going to send this to you guys.
Yeah.
No, Francesa is, I mean, I didn't grow up listening to him or anything like that.
But I became aware of him because of Funhouse and mostly because of KFC
because KFC would always talk about him.
And he is quite an interesting.
Fella.
And then we got the CJ Cup this week at Congaree Golf Club in South Carolina.
That was the host of last year.
It was a different tournament last year, right?
Palmetto Championship.
That's what it was called last year?
Yeah, it took the place to the Canadian Open.
Oh, okay, gotcha, because they weren't traveling.
Really cool golf course.
Really in a rough part of the country, though.
I've been to, I think Jackson County, South Carolina, where it is is I think the poorest
county in the U.S.
So they have this, the golf course is incredible.
They have this incredibly philanthropic mission where they take local kids and they educate them and put them through college.
It's a really cool club.
But drive five miles outside.
I remember driving there.
I stayed in Savannah, Georgia.
And I remember driving there.
And it was like hard to believe it's America.
If you guys have been to any of those places in the South where it's like serious, serious poverty, it's rough.
I remember seeing little like video essays and stuff about the philanthropic mission of the club and the whole reason it was built and everything they do.
And it was really, really cool.
So they're back this year at Congre for a different tournament.
which is the CJ Cup.
Rory is the defending CJ Cup champion,
but that was in Vegas last year where he won that.
That was at where Mori Kawa plays,
Summit Club. Yep.
And then Garrick Higo won last year.
The only PGA Tour tournament held at Congre,
but he did not qualify for this year's CJ Cup.
So he isn't even there.
The defending champion doesn't really matter.
But we have the best field of the fall.
We got Rory, Scotty, Fitz, Ram, Sunjay,
Max Homer's playing, Sam Burns is playing.
I took a note.
Tom Kim's playing. I took him in front of the program.
I took a note that I'm liking that Max Homa has now finally reached the level where he's basically a featured group every time.
He's with Jordan Speath and Hideki Matsuyama.
Love that for Max Homa because a lot of times he would get buried.
He was sort of like the Kisner where everybody liked him.
He's popular, but you couldn't really watch him play golf unless he's leading the golf tournament.
Now we're going to get to see a lot of Max Homa.
It feels like for at least the next several years, he's bought himself some good featured group capital.
Yeah, he's gone mainstream.
He's the trendy alternative band.
who is now like the killers.
Yeah.
I saw Tom Kim's playing with Rory and somebody else.
He's moved up there too.
Oh, the PGA tour is all in on Tom Kim.
I saw a video of them.
They posted a video of him when he had just landed in Japan.
And it was literally just him rolling his bag in the airport.
That was it.
That was the whole video.
So they're definitely all in on promoting Tomlin.
Oh, yeah.
It's Rory, Tomkin, and Ricky Fowler.
So that's a big group.
That's a big one.
So I'm excited to watch that.
Congreary to him.
Scott did to tune in and check out a good amount of that.
Action.
We got a good field and a good golf course.
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Adam says, you guys have had some amazing trips
coming off the back of Big Cedar Lodge.
Is there still a top place on the bucket list
for a future travel series?
and I would like to say my answer is extremely obvious
or extremely stands above the rest in my own mind,
which is Ireland.
I've never been to Ireland.
I was going to say Ireland.
I've never been to go to fucking Ireland.
I've never been there.
I've been to Northern Ireland.
I've played some golf in Northern Ireland.
Been to Scotland,
been England, never been to Ireland.
I would love to go.
Let's make it happen next year.
Just looking at Instagram stories of my buddy Andrew
who is in Ireland right now just got there.
And I'm like looking at all the architecture.
They're in their hotel.
They're drinking Guinnesses.
And they're just, it's very gloomy and.
gray and everything about it. It's just Ireland. They're probably going to see some sheep.
I do fear that it'll be a little similar to Scotland. You guys don't think that it'll be...
No, I think it's more cliffy. I think it's more greener. I think it's a little different terrain.
Okay. Yeah. I think so too. I mean, I'm definitely, yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to it.
The style, I think, is probably pretty similar in terms of the style of golf. Yeah, I mean, I would love to go
somewhere just as random as possible. Like, I'd like to go see what, and it probably can't do it,
but like I'd like to see what Chinese golf looks like
like in just like rural China.
What does that golf look like or Japan?
We should go visit our boys in, what was it, Chile or where with it?
Columbia.
That's something I wanted to bring up to you guys.
We always do all our meetings on podcast.
But I talk to those guys yesterday, as weird as that is that you just brought that up.
So they have that Instagram account like Ole or something like that.
Oli.
Oh, it's three letters, right?
OPC.
Yeah, one putt Columbia, team OPC.
Basically, they said that.
there's like this proam in the Caribbean coast of Columbia in December. I was like we probably won't be
able to make it. But they were really, they were really, really selling this thing. Five star hotel,
unlimited luxury. We're going to send you guys out here. We'll play with you. The whole thing.
I'm like, listen. Unlimited luxury. Unlimited luxury, they wrote. I said, we probably won't be able to make
that. But what we will do is we're coming to Columbia next year. I think we go to Columbia and play with
these guys. We're playing with four local guys that are obsessive for play. They can take us to all their
little places that they like to go to like we would if they came to long island i'd be taking them
borelli's they're going to take us to their version of borellies i want to fucking do it man i want to see
what these golf courses look like i think it'd be hilarious to do like scramble versus scramble one day
and we do like a legit rider cup against these columbian four play guys dude it would be great because
it would be so out of left field that people would be like what is this like we go we go to big
cedar we go to band and we go to all these places that people that is more accessible to people in the
States and then we just throw Columbia in their face. And it's just like that would be just walking
around would be so interesting. Oh my gosh. I'm in. I'm in. I like set like we're setting it up
for next. Like we're doing it next year. We're going to Columbia. It's going to be freaking awesome.
I'm going to message them tonight and be like this is happening. Let's set it up. Right.
I'll go to Columbia. I got, you know, I'll ask, are we going to get into some extra curriculars
if we go to California? Yeah. I was just thinking that rigs. I'm of the first. I'm of the first.
I'm the firm believer that I can't take any PEDs when it comes to like brain stuff because I'm already as fucked up as it is.
If I like I don't do any.
Yeah, maybe.
I just, I've never.
We talk about coffee?
Yeah.
Yeah, really dang.
I know they got great beans down there.
Yeah, it gets you really jittery.
Yeah.
They got great beans down there.
You go skiing.
Yeah, I mean, when in Rome, you know, we got.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Are we trying to disrespect the memory of public?
Go in the winter and go skiing.
We're trying to take in culture?
We're not trying to take in culture?
Exactly. We're trying to ingratiate ourselves with the local?
No, no, but for real, though, my heart will explode.
So I just need to play golf and see the scenery.
Dude, we're going to Columbia and we're going to eat fucking incredible food.
I don't even know where Columbia is.
I mean, I know where it is, but it's like where, like he says it's the coastline.
So I'm sure there's beautiful golf courses on the water in Columbia.
The coast of Columbia has got to be the most beautiful place on the planet, right?
There's a place in Columbia that like the rich foreign kids from Northwestern used to go vacation at.
And I can't remember the name.
I'm going to look it up.
How long of a flayed is it to Columbia?
I don't know.
Probably pretty far.
That would be real.
That's a really interesting idea.
I have no idea.
I'm in.
I'll go to Columbia.
I'm excited to go to Columbia.
I had some buddies did a buddies trip to Columbia like 10 years ago.
Cartagena.
Cartagena.
That's like a party vacation spot.
Yeah.
Capital City.
It's right in the middle.
That's right in the middle from what I'm seeing.
Maybe northern Colombia.
Still full Billy Walsh.
way northern Colombia is incredible.
Yeah.
Cartagena.
Carta Hena, I think that's the spot.
Cartagina.
You say it like an American?
That can't be that long.
Oh, dude, it's not far.
It's not far at all.
Barangila.
Like if you fly JFCK to Columbia, I bet it's, you know, five hours, four, five hours.
Yeah, boys, we're in.
We're in.
You'll probably see another golf podcast to go to Columbia like next month because we talked about this.
But we're going to Columbia.
We're going to Columbia
We're going
We're absolutely going
And we got the one put
Columbia guys that we're going to do it with
I've already said it in stone
Because we said it on the podcast
I mean on Google Maps
When you just go down this coastline
Of Colombia
It's just you could just tell
Like there's like mountains on the coastline
This place is going to be fucking insane
Dude it's not that far from the
I didn't realize it borders Panama
And we could go
I'd like to see the Panama Canal
See if they unclogged that fucking thing
You know
That'd be great
Caribbean Sea
It's right on the Caribbean Sea
Look at this canal
The Tamaa Manas right there
What a fucking canal
They put in there
That's a different part of the world boys
Never thought yeah I'm in
That'd be fun
It'd be really fun
All right
Anybody got anything else
Anybody got anything pressing
I need to get off their chest there
Just that it's really
We only have like a week left of golf weather here
In the New York State
And it's really starting to bum me out
It's getting cold
I was thinking about playing first thing tomorrow morning
and got a text for my buddy this morning saying it's going to be 34 degrees at the time of T.
T. Off.
Like, come on.
No, thanks.
Too cold.
It's rough.
I don't really have anything, no.
You're going to chiropracked out the Yankees tonight.
I can't believe they're playing back-to-back nights after an elimination game.
It's because they got two games rained out this series, so like it just got pushed.
Yeah, it just felt like you'd give them at least a day.
I know.
Verlander against a tired, you know, hungover Yanke.
Yankees team, but.
Yeah, I saw them in the, I saw some videos and then like pop and champagne pretty
aggressively.
Didn't know how I felt about that.
I mean, I've always, yeah, I don't know how to take that.
I mean, you try and say that, like, the, the, the funnest part of the entire thing is the,
is the drive to the championship, the ride there.
So it's like, why not celebrate it?
I know it's like, act like you've been there before, but all these guys haven't been
there before.
And the Yankees haven't once in 2009.
So, like, why not just celebrate every accomplishment you have?
I was totally cool with them celebrating.
And I'm saying they have a game tomorrow.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just saw people shitting on them being like,
you're the Yankees.
Like, I think you've been there before.
It's like, not one of these players have been there before.
Baseball is interesting in that they do celebrate hard after each round,
which is unlike most sports.
Yeah, it's 162 games season.
And then the playoffs are so difficult.
Like, 162 game season, then they give you a three game wild card just to get in.
So 162 games to three games is insane just to get into the playoffs.
And then the first series, the ALDS is a,
is the best of five.
Like, you don't even get to utilize why your team is good in the playoffs.
Like the Mets, I hate the Mets, but their big thing in the season was their depth of pitching.
Then all of a sudden, they play in like this wild card game.
And I know they blew it in September, but you don't even get to like put those guys on the roster because the playoffs are so small.
It's a three game series.
You're like, your fourth and fifth pitcher that like got you to the playoffs.
That's why you're better than the teams in your division aren't even a factor anymore.
They're not even on the roster.
It's literally just like one pitcher versus another pitcher and whoever wins that.
game wins the series. The ALDS should be seven games for sure. ALDS is five games and then now of a sudden
we're in the championship series of a 162 game season. The Yankees and the actions are playing each other.
Now it's seven games. First time of all year. It's crazy. It does feel like if they're going to
have a season that's twice as long as the hockey. Like their playoff series should be twice as long.
Like make them like a best of 11 or something. It's like if that's how you're going to do it.
It's really bizarre that they do it. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. The whole scheduling with baseball is
insane. The fact that the most important part of baseball is played in like 30 degree New York weather
is going to be just the biggest joke of all time. Like, why are we starting the season so late?
Start the season earlier. Start the season in like February. Start spring training in February and
let's get like balls in the air like late like, like I don't know, March. Well, what they should do is chop
off 20 games from the regular season. I said that too, but I think they're too far along. Like you can't
take 20 games away from like the Pittsburgh pirates where like they had like now of a sudden
their stadiums not making that money and like Miami Marlins like it's just too far gone you just
can't take 20 games away from stadiums what you got to hopefully do is if you cut 20 games then
the profit share for the playoffs becomes like because we're going to we know we're going to have more
playoffs games where the league is going to make more money and therefore the Pittsburgh pirates of
the world are still going to make money despite not getting that gate you businessman
Tran you can go right into a great point
Also, you would think that the games that they have are more sold out.
Like, I'm trying to think of like the lower tier teams in the league.
How would they agree to take less games away?
You've been reading something?
You've been a book or something.
You're like, I'm a revenue sheriff.
If we get the playoffs, I think of the gate price.
It's really good point.
No, it's something they got to think about.
I don't know if they're thinking about.
And then there's the whole.
I liked it.
Thank you.
That's good shit.
And then there's the whole records argument.
I don't know, you know, but they just got to cut games off the regular.
It does seem like if you're playing 162 games, you could just play 130 and have this.
I mean,
At that point, we know who the best, right?
Like, I get the, Erber's argument would be like, well, like, teams blow it in the last 10 games.
Well, they'd blow it in the last 10 games and 130 games.
Right.
Where you get the point after 130 games.
But I mean, it wouldn't be different.
Like the Mets would have won the division by 30 games if they did 100.
You know what I mean?
And what I meant by records was if you do that, Aaron Judge is not the AL Home Run King.
Like that's where it gets a little sticky.
Yeah, but they did that with Roger Maris and Babe Ruth.
he played more games.
That's why there was an asterisk
next to Roger Marriss.
So, you know.
Things got to change at some point.
Or you're just going to be baseball
and it's going to be less,
less popular nationally.
Yeah, when Roger Marriss was doing it,
they're like, this is not fair.
He's beating Babe Ruth and you're giving him
more games to do it.
Right.
Yeah.
This would be the opposite way.
Right.
All right, boys.
Well, nice talking to you.
Fun catching on.
We'll be back on Tuesday.
of next week.
In person.
I think I'm going to be at a watch party
tonight when this video comes out.
I think we're doing,
I don't want to say for sure
because they haven't announced it yet,
but by the time this podcast comes out,
I believe we're doing a watch party in New York City
so you can come see me watch the Yankees
if you're in town.
What for game two?
For game two.
I'm 99% sure we're doing it.
So go look on social media,
go look at the short porch for the Yankees guys,
Tommy smokes, hubs, Marty Mush.
I'm pretty sure I'll be there watching a game at a bar.
The way Marty Much says,
Godians.
The Guardians.
It's like, we got one game in it.
It's against the Guardians.
All right.
Everybody have a great weekend.
Be safe.
Be smart.
We'll see you on Tuesday.
Hit it hard.
Hit it hard.
Hit it hard.
