Fore Play - Not a hockey or baseball podcast, with Kevin Hayes & Walker Buehler

Episode Date: November 3, 2020

Different show today. First, we’ve got Philadelphia Flyers star center and Team Portnoy member Kevin Hayes (7:27). He takes us hole by hole through his first trip to Pine Valley. Second, we’re joined by World Series champ, Dodger starting pitcher Walker Buehler (66:29). He discusses the similarities between pitching and golfing, and what it was like winning a title during the COVID era!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We've got a very unique show. We got two big-time athletes who are not professional golfers, but are huge golfers. We got Kevin Hayes, who's going to be on the show in like two minutes, build off your flyers. He and Frankie have some serious history. I think the last time that they really addressed each other was Frankie kind of undressing Kevin Hayes publicly. after the New York Islanders defeated the Philadelphia Flyers.

Hayes is great. He's a big Barstool guy. He's got a lot of history from goalie challenge to team Portnoy to getting into it with Frankie with the Islanders. He goes pretty much through almost shot by shot his entire round at Pine Valley, which is great because he's just an average golfer who absolutely loves the game, loves talking about his experience at the course, chirping with the guys, with the boys, with the other hockey guys that he plays with.

So Hayes is great. And then we've got Walker Bueller, who just won the World Series with the Dodgers, you know, pitched, I think game three, won 10 strikeouts. So, I mean, he's a total stud and legitimately just won the World Series. So two really cool guests. And that's pretty much the entire show. We do about an hour and a half almost with these two guys, stories, talking their sport, talking golf. It's fun.

It's a good time. The Masters is coming up in a week. So we've got a ton of Augusta chatter to get to on. Thursday and all week next week. We got the Barstool Classic Championship in a week at Pinehurst that we're all going to be down at. So a lot happening, a lot going on. And this show is going to be, it's a fun time. We already recorded these chats. We already recorded talking golf with these guys. So you're going to love it. Owens. You got to talk about Owens. Owens' mix, the Barstool Transfusion by Owens. There's a reason we partnered with these guys. They get it. Met with them in January at the Super Bowl.

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I may have upset him. We hash that out. Are you, you guys are still close personal? friends, you think? Yeah, I think so. I mean, like, he was upset with me. I got a face-time from him and Brady Shea. Basically, it's so funny, too, because these guys were my mortal enemies, and now they're both not playing for the Rangers, and now I'm, like, good friends with them, because I wouldn't even speak to them when they were playing on the Rangers. Like, we would be in the same inner circles with, like, Dave and Gaz and stuff, and I'm just like, don't even look at me. And now,

now I love these guys. But, you know, I took some cheap shots at Hayes after the Islanders beat the flyers after game seven in the playoffs this year. So I probably deserve to have to have this like one-on-one battle with him and hash it out. But yeah, I mean, he was upset with me. He phacedom me when I'd be like, you're dead to me. Like, this is like, I can't believe this. Like how gutless of you to like go after one of your guys. But it's hard when one of your guys is on the opposing team. And I'm a very emotional guy and I like to show my fucking passion for the Islanders. And really nothing comes in front of that. Well, and you're Mr. Cheap Shot. Once people learn that, like, I feel like Kevin Hayes was in a position where he's like, whoa, I thought me and Frankie Brelly were boys, and he doesn't realize

that you cheap shot everybody. Like, when they're not looking, you cheap shot him. So once he realizes that those cheap shots. Then I admit it to your face, which I think is kind of like a noble, like nice guy thing to do. Like, I'll say something that'll be like, oh, I kind of just like buried you like 10 seconds ago, which I think it's better to hear it from me as opposed to hearing it from someone else. I agree. Like when Riggs is off the show, we destroy them. And then, like, the first thing I say on the next show is, like, we, I hope you

don't listen back to that show because we were kind of going all in on you. Yeah. And then it's, like, you guys completely bury me. And then the next show, you're like, yeah, wind is really tough. It just makes it, it so hard out there. Yep. Yeah. Now, that's got, Walker Bueller's a fucking stud, and he's a really cool dude.

I think that, I think the podcast ended with me just having to play around a golf them at the end of the week. Are you nervous? Are you nervous? I am nervous. If we can actually make it happen, the more I'm thinking, I think we're flying private down this, I don't know if I'm going to have to bring my clothes. We'll see. It's fucking first world problems, I guess. I feel like people that fly private bring golf clubs with them.

Yeah, but I'm like, I'm the fucking camera guy. It's tough to walk around. You're walking out on the runway, like, I got my clubs. Like, you're going to get here, chauffeur, throw it on the plane. Nah, why don't you just take a fucking video of this dude? Like, you might, the reality of the situation, is you might not take your clubs and may not be able to play with Walker Bueller because you don't want Dave to see you walking out to a private jet with your golf clubs over your shoulder. Correct. I will have

to definitely speak with Dave about that prior to bringing my golf club. So let's see. You might have to shipstick to your clubs to like Walker Bueller's course. Dave has no idea that you ever brought your clubs. Correct. Which actually now is probably the correct move. Even though you're the you're on the Barstall golf podcast here, a central part of, but you can't bring your golf clubs. Oh, well, actually, we're kind of, we don't know. Maybe he would be, like, up to, open to it. I don't know. I think Dave's, Dave's kind of, like, coming around on the golf stuff. I think we've had a pretty good run here. I think I'm definitely asking to get yelled at it now by just saying that. So, like, we're asking just for, like, we're asking for, like, bad karma.

We are. So we'll just, like, yeah, we're so thankful. Thank you so much. We're not worthy of anything. it's great. You guys will see when you listen to this, like Kevin Hayes is just, he talks to people on podcast as if he's just on FaceTime with them. Like just kind of going through, like he literally was on his phone, it wasn't on a laptop,

laying down on a couch, just like going through all the holes, which is literally what you would do with him on FaceTime. Like, oh, you played Pine Valley, tell me all about it. And he'd be sitting there just explaining, whole one I did this, whole two, I did that.

It goes on for 18 holes. He does it for 18 holes. All right. Kevin Hayes is up next. He's great. He's one of our buddies. Been with Barstool for a long time, like I said. So enjoy this whole by hole pretty much of Pine Valley with Kevin Hay.

Four players, right, Barstool Sports. We're back. We got one week, one week until the Masters. Next time we do a Tuesday show. It'll be Masters week. We'll be at Pioneer's. A lot going on, a lot happening. We're not a hockey podcast.

However, we are joined right off the bat, right off the top, by a big Barstool guy, a team Portnoy guy from the Philadelphia Flyers, Kevin Hayes, who was a big golfer. We were just talking golf beforehand. What's up? What's going on? Nothing much. Pleasure to be here.

This isn't spinning chicklets, but maybe a little bit better than spinning chicklets, actually. But, yeah, I mean, I'm a huge golfer. I'm obsessed with golf. I'm not any good, but my claim to fame is to be the worst golfer to play the best courses in the U.S. Well, we also, you just said that in our little pre-show, you're like, hey, by the way, is it cool if we talk golf, I'm fucking horrible? And then you're like, yeah, I shot back-to-back 80s and I actually pound the ball and I'm like a 10, which means you're better than like 80% of golfers in the world at least.

Yeah, but the guys that I play with, they're usually the guys that play with in New York and in Philly and they're all way better than I am. Who do you play with Brady Shade. He's an absolute stick. You can't be what Brady Shay will make anyone look like the dumbest act. stick. He's so and it pisses me off honestly. He's unreal because he'll play with me and V's and me. I'm a little bit better than V's but he'll absolutely like

I was with him when he shot his career long as he shot a 60 68 or 67 at interlocking with eight birdies Jesus. I mean anybody posting something that starts with a six is an asshole and is on a different lot like that's not. I agree.

relate to that. I agree. Hey, I got to get this off the top. You still mad at me or no? I wasn't going to bring it up, but yes, I am. Do these guys know why I'm mad of you? Tell the story from your vantage point. I will tell it from the dead, the only vantage point.

Like, there's only one side to this. Frankie, what have I done to you in my life for you to do something that you did to me like What did I do? What did I do? Tell the people what I do. You publicly went out and tried the shit on me over your Twitter little feed because you're a huge Islanders fan. When I, like no joke, I like some of the guys of the Islanders, there's some good guys in that team. Because of you, I do not want any success to that team ever. and their whole until you pass away. Well, that means I'm doing something right, right?

If the star player in the opposing team hates my team so much because I'm going after him so much on Twitter, listen, the Islander, you know I'm an Islander's guy. Pre-season, we're talking, we went to Philly, we went to see your place, you were getting acclimated with the city, we did a pizza review, you're like jacked up to play for the flies. I'm like, oh, man, you're like still in my kitchen. Rangers to Philly, like you, like you,

ready for this and we're talking out on this hockey we didn't know how they were going to play this year turns out you guys match up in the playoffs how do you expect me to not go absolutely berserk in game seven when my team take you down and my company keeps writing the greatest one the king and it's this whole entire storyline that kevin hay is going to take over borelli's and here's another side i know that there's i know there's did i do anything to do to cause that no no not publicly, but... Put a couple goals to make that happen, that's for sure. Well, first game, I said,

Kevin Hayes is the problem, because you had like a goal, you had an assessor was crazy. You wouldn't stop, you wouldn't stop scoring. You wouldn't stop getting points. I heard that you had planned something for me. No. See, that's just... I get a text from Gaz, and he goes,

Hayes is planning something for game seven, and I said, okay, like, now I got to be on edge. So whatever happens, you're trying to die, or I come up victorious. I came up in a nice respectful situation where we both came out on top. But instead, you shit on me. I've done nothing wrong to you in my whole entire life. And then I started talking to Brady, say, and Brady's like, you know what?

Yeah, that was pretty fucked up by him. So. Listen, it was a cheap job. I can't control my emotions. My team had never gotten that far in my lifetime. You know, I can't, you know how it is. Like, I can't, I can't be thinking about friendship relationship. Listen, whatever happens in that rink, it just stays in the rink.

I know I had my dad throwing chairs on me. I don't know what's happening during this playoff series. It was nothing personal. I may have done, I went too far with the laughing Kevin Hayes video. It could have just been a tweet. I didn't need to do. It could have just been a tweet. But I didn't need to video the visuals.

I didn't need, no one needed to see me laughing so hard that I was crying. No one needed any of that. But, you know, we're past it. Now, I think we're passing. You come on the show. We make our men's. I think we move on. You take me out to golf at a nice course and we'll wear over it. All right. True. Fair. As long as Brady Shays on my team because I know I'm coming out victorious. So, hey, you guys, you know, you finish the series. You guys lose. It's obviously got to be one of the worst part moments of your career. You make it that far. You guys are pumped. And then how do you find out what Frankie, who is a fellow team Portnoy guy?

said about you in one of your worst professional, you know, saddest moment? All right, before we, because it was the bubble, and once we lost, if we won that round, I would have, like, if we won the cup, I would be like, this is the hardest Stanley Cup ever to win. But since we lost, it's a joke of a cup. Like, no fans, nothing, it doesn't matter. So.

Don't have to travel. Yeah. So, Frankie, you should, you should use that for your Islanders as well, is like it's not a real, real Stanley Cup win. They won the Cup fair and square, but it's just different with fans. It's not, I wouldn't want you. I wouldn't want you to experience that for your first Stanley Cup.

I agree. I thought that that was going to happen. I have such bad luck as a fan. You just win that one? One year. I've gone to every fucking game, Hayes. I've never missed an I on the game in my entire life. Playoff games, I'm out there, scalping tickets when I'm four years old.

My dad sent me out to people. My dad made me act like I was a lost child and I was like six years old. And I'd go up and be like, excuse me, do you have an extra ticket into the game? And he'd come jogging up. I'd be like, sorry, son. We don't have enough money today. And then get in the games. Like, he was hiding behind fucking cars, seeing how you guys would react.

Right. That's something my dad would do. But one year that I can't go to a game, they make it to a game 70s. I know. I couldn't have that. But also, you have to take a couple. Like, I know a couple of guys in honors like, hey, a trophy is being given out. at the end of this year and we want it.

Right? It has to have been the mentality at some point. 100%. If you're raised, we need it. That was our team until we lost. Right. Once you lose. Oh, no, no, that's just the real thing. You come.

Then everybody had just a storyline out come for whatever happened to their team. Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, no, this is the way it is now. But no, I mean, 50 different storylines in his head. We're having a couple beers after the, after, we lose because we fly home the next morning and people are like, hey, I thought you were cool with Frankie Pirelli.

I was like, what are you talking about? Because I don't, the one thing like Yandel told me was to like never really read too much into like the media and stuff. But then of course, like when guys and Dave are doing all that stuff with like with me, it's just funny to see how people react. Like people think they're dead serious and like, they're like, how the hell do you compare Bigrenski?

like, all right, come on, let's be serious. Like, everyone knows that's a joke. A couple of the tweets, it would be like a tip off of your skate and not a 10 attention. You get a goal and they're like, the greatest one. Like, how do you not take that statistically? Exactly. So then people are literally texting me being like,

hey, I thought you and Varelli were cool. And I'm like, yeah, we are. Like, what are you talking about? And then I'm like, all right, let me go search my name on Twitter. So I go search my name. And now I see this video and then all these other people agreeing with him because he works at bar school and everyone that disagreed with like

whole dave and gazz and spit and chicklets doing this like whole joke of a thing all year are now finally like someone at barstool realizes all this is such bullshit and I'm like this guy is fucking completely sewering me right now like people like finally someone at barstool thinks that like Kevin A sucks at hockey and I'm like oh shit but yeah that's how I found out. So you kicked me when I was down. Kick me when I was down. Listen, I'm pathetic when it comes to that stuff.

I always get the punch when the guy's not looking. I'll run away. I talk a lot of shit. I can't back and run. Like, listen, you first to admit that, I talk a ton of shit and I can't back it up. So I'm already coming here. That's who I am. I'm spined. This is how sick Frankie is. I'm a Rangers fan.

And the background of Frankie's computer. Oh, I've seen it. It's, I mean, that's when you. you know you're dealing with somebody that's just a lost cause. So for the listeners out there, Frankie's computer, his desktop is when the Rangers lose the cup. Henry's head is buried down in the ice and he's obviously devastated.

And that's what Frankie enjoys a Monday morning cup of coffee to every day, gets him on the right. Yeah, he's a guy, like, Frankie's fueled by hate. He's not fueled by positive energy. Like, he is,

his negative feelings towards the things that he hates, power him like, a machine every day and there's no positivity that comes. It's just, it's sad. He needs, like, negative sports to fuel his days. If it doesn't have to do with the island is. Dude, there's a feeling of, like, Rangers losing is just as good of a feeling as the island is just sick and sadistic and fucked.

But whatever. That's how you are, for it. I thought we were going to be cool, too, when I finally left. I remember I was with New York. And he was like, nope, can't be friends. He can't be friends. And I'm like, maybe now I'm in Philly we can actually get over this. And he takes about six steps backwards with this tweet.

You had to feel it coming, though. It was a great series. Honestly, probably the best one of the playoffs I thought. Like that was just such a series. Islander's Flyers, but it was fucking nonstop. Goleys were out of their mind. You guys were playing great. Like, overtime games.

I mean, heart attacks city in that series. Yeah, I was insane. But like you said, no fans, the whole thing, it's a fucking waste of year. So we'll just get back on the horse next year. The Metropolitan Division's never going to stop making those storylines. I mean, how do you feel about playing in that division where it's just nonstop, absolutely nonstop?

It's insane. Like, our division is, like, the Islanders were, I think they were projected to have a horrible season. They were. You said that to me. Remember when in the car, you're like, your Islanders are going to, like, take 10 steps back this year. Like, that's brutal.

And then they just, like, they rattle off 17 straight points, like 17 games. Like, I don't like, this is fucked up. Like, there's no other. You guys were the best team in the league going into the break. Yeah, we were. That's when the Bruins were. So, like, did that, like, mentally destroy you guys? Like, you guys were rolling.

Like, Islanders actually may have missed the playoffs had it gone straight through. I don't actually. Because they were, like, I think they were, like, like, five and 13 at that point. They didn't win a game. They got past. Joe and didn't win a game until the playoff. Like, he went 0 and 8 as an Islander. It was like they were, they made these moves.

The Trade Deadline came around, and the islanders were just tanking. And then all of a sudden the world stopped. Zizicus got healthy, Pellick came back, and, like, we finally had a team. But these, the Flyers were rolling. I remember being like, watch out for these. The Rangers may have made the playoffs, too. I know. But if the Rangers and the Islanders were supposed to be brutal,

and, like, they were, like, unreal teams to watch during the season. that's why the metro so far fucked up honestly because every year they're kind of a bad team and that team turns out to be unreal like Columbus almost beats Toronto again yeah they can be sneaky it's there CBJ cracks me up they can just pop up I feel like out of nowhere and snipe yeah for sure I got a question on just I've always been curious like you're your ranger for a while obviously end up Philly when you do end up a Phili when you do end up Billy, how does it, like in terms of just getting acclimated with the team, how does it work? Like, do you just pop up on like a fucking group text?

And you're like, hey, boy, it's like what? Somebody called you? Like, how's it work? No, usually, yeah. So mine was a little bit different because I didn't get traded. I got traded to Winnipeg the previous season at the deadline. So that one is like a lot different where like right away that day you get traded, you get out of the group text. People say what's up.

You still don't really know anyone. and then you go there and you're like, shit, all these guys have been like super close team for six and a half months and I'm like the new guy that could potentially take someone's job. Like, what if someone was like, hey, we're going to add someone to the podcast. And Frankie, you can just film. Right.

It's just very different where with Philly, I got traded like a week before I became a free agent. So I flew down there and I walk into the arena and like the lights go down and all the side like the video shows up and it's like a video of like the broad street bullies and what it likes to be a flyer and then like Claude Jeru comes on the screen. He's like, hey, hey, what's up, Kevin? Like blah, blah, blah, blah. Like trying to like pitch me to come here and at the end, he's like, listen, if you don't

want to fucking come here, don't. But if you do, like, buy into the team. And that was pretty cool to see that the captain. And then so as soon as I got there, I mean, I was in the group chat as soon as I signed, but then like, I don't know, their core group is like older guys. So like I played against them my whole career. So it was a lot easier to kind of just like mesh with those guys. And then all of a sudden the assistant, the head coach was my head coach in New York.

So that made it way easier. And it was pretty smooth transition. Honestly, it was very, very easy. Is there any like pressure to be like funny on the group text right away? You're like grind. We actually just had this debate the other day because, like, Mark Stahl got traded to Detroit, and we were on the golf course at Old Sandwich, and he got a group text from his Detroit team, and it was green.

So he was going to be like, all right, who the fuck has green text messages? Like, come on. But he did it because, like, I don't know, maybe that person, like, something happened where he had to have a green text message. So, yeah, there is some. you try to be funny. I know it's a beginning a couple of guys in the flyers.

They were like, who the fuck is just, he doesn't shut the fuck up. Like, not to me, but like to other guys that I found out like three months later. Like even my roommate,

Nolan Patrick, he's one of my best buddies on the team, texting someone on the team, I guess, and was like, oh, we're going to be in for a long season with his Hays kid.

But like, now we're like super tight. So it is weird. Like, you do kind of have to like try to, to show people like your true personality, but you don't want to do it by stepping on people's toes.

And, I mean, you guys have been on a team before. It's, it's weird, but it's fun. Yeah, I do.

I remember, like, even in college, I remember coming in and, like, when you get added to the email list back then, it was like before group text, you get added to,

like, the email list. And right away, people are firing off fucking inside jokes and stuff. Yeah, and you're like, oh, man, I'm going to,

yeah, you like, you take, like, four days to write your first email. to make sure you fail. Exactly. No, it's still the same thing kind of. It reminds me of that feeling of, and to bring it back to golf a little bit, like we always talk on this pot about like going to a really exclusive golf club and like members are walking around. They know where to walk. They know where to

step. They know how to like present themselves. Yeah. And they feel very acclimated with like the surroundings and you feel like you're on an island. You're walking around like, oh, am I allowed to make a joke right here? Am I allowed to like, am I allowed to take like practice shots on this range? And if someone's in a yell at me like it's very but then once you go like like i have a place like rockville lynx and like garden city right here like if i just keep going back now i feel like a part of that place right like you know the people behind the bar but the difference between day one and day three is astronomy oh my god it's crazy that was like me at o s like i was like still trying to learn the people's names and stuff and like i would hear all these other members be like oh

thanks fred thanks nicky and i'm like oh shit i should know everyone's name like quickly The first time in O.S said, I didn't even know if I was allowed to walk to Hole One without the caddies. And some guy comes back looking for me. He's like, dude, your tea times right now. I'm like, oh, I was waiting for the caddies. They're over there at Whole One waiting for you. I'm like, oh, shit. It's so true. It is like the name thing at a club is everything. Like, once you become the guy that knows people's names, you're slinging names. You can't say enough names.

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You play Pine Valley. I message you immediately. I said no fucking way. Like I mean, because that's like someone put to take a picture at Amen Corner. Just like here I am. Man, I'm just.

It was honestly like one of the coolest golf rounds I've been a part of for sure. But like the caddies make it so easy for you. Like whole one. I hit a three iron dead straight. And now I'm like, okay, like that usually doesn't happen too often. Like hopefully I don't screw this hole up.

and the guy's like 160. And I'm like, all right, maybe I should just hit like a smooth nine. And he's like, you can't go left, you can't go right, and you can't go long. So I'm like, okay, well, I don't really know where my ball flight's going. So maybe I actually just like hit like a punch shot and have it just like run up there. And he's like, yeah, that's not a bad play. So all of a sudden I do that, and it just runs right up to the green. Like for me, I would never, ever hit that club like that.

that if the caddy didn't tell me to. You know what I mean? So that these elite clubs, like they make it so easy for you. The caddies are huge. But like, you're like, dude, no, actually I always go left or right or long. That's like the only thing that I did.

Exactly. He's like you can't or you're dead. Like it's a difference between getting like a par or a seven. He's like, if you go over there, you're not going to get on the green for another four shots. You restart the one. Wouldn't be more opposite of what Alfonso Ribero, the fuck, we have Carlton on from, from Fresh Prince all the time. And he's just a mental golf coach now.

It's a craziest thing of all time. And he's like, you can't think about the don'ts and the nose. Like you don't say don't hit it in the water because your brain thinks water. So like you have to think fairway, yes, and then just hit fairway. You can't think. No chance I do that. Right. But then you have like the dreaded straightball.

where like you're like, am I really that upset that I hit it straight out of bounds because I was aimed there? Like, that's where I was aimed. So maybe my game is coming around. But you're also OB. So, like, I could honestly go through every single fucking hole with you guys and tell you about it. It was like, it was, I'm like, hole two. Do you guys know, like, the one I had on my Instagram of the kids swinging?

So you have to get it like, who did you? a fairway? Yes. So you, you, you, um, you tee off and then the first like 140 yards is all like wasteland, a little bit of grass sand. And there's like this perfect fairway that goes for probably up until like, I don't know, 270 yards maybe, but both left and right of the fairway is like 55 bunkers on each side. Yeah, it's insane. The picture is so, it looks. It looks. So you're like, okay, like back to your don't hit it in the bunkers thing that Carlton talks about. Well, if I go like 20 feet left or 20 feet right, like I'm screwed. And then your second shot is up a hill over like 80 yards of, again, like wasteland, sand, grass onto like an elevated green.

So I go left into the trap, but like not like a whore, like a bouncing a fairway that went into the trap. so I'm like oh shit like that sucks so now I'm like all right I'm only 135 like maybe I can and it's not that scary of a shot but hitting out of traps is just I suck at them so I mean you're probably grounding your club in there and stuff it's like oh yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah 100% and so I'm like all right maybe if I hit a nine iron like if I go long it's not horrible and the guy's like if you don't just chip it out back into the fairway you're screwed. So I hit like a 15-yard shot just back into the fairway

and then I hit a 54 degree up and I have like a 30-foot put and I'm like, okay, like two-putt this and you get a bogey like whatever, not a bad start par bogey at Pine Valley. So I'm like, all right, so I hit a 54 my 30 feet downhill slider

and the guy's like just putt it to here and I hit the putt. Oh my God. So now I started par par par. Like, this is no, there's no way this is happening. Like, no fucking chance am I going to, like, have a crazy round of Pine Valley? No one's going to believe me. Right.

And be, like, I'm going to think I'm an unbelievable golfer again. Right. So. It can continue with the bug. You're just going to infect yourself even more. Exactly. Now you have to replicate that, and you're going to be chasing a high that you'll never, ever reach that. If you're your career low at the past.

Is that all the sudden world? I barely. four and I parted like a hard part three on five so I'm like I'm even through five holes like what is going on right and I know like everyone has that feeling you're like floating walking oh my god you feel like a pro bonfer you're like you're bouncing it's like crazy I'm like I'm like trying to hit cuts around trees I'm like I've never tried this in my life like why why would I'm even through five my trying shots yeah for the best you want that's the hardest part to keep around together though because like you get on that high and you need to like humble yourself and be like no no no I'm still that shitty golfer somehow I just keep punching it up there and then get lucky yeah you're starting like oh no I can cut it around that tree and then it'll have like a nice bounce and skip up there that's where you hit the straight ball obey and you're like exactly yeah I know also like it's easy it's easy to get when you're playing really well it's very funny how like you're playing partners who are just playing how

how like you and they usually play or playing like shit you're just in the fair way like like dude what are you doing i got why i just get it straight you're like okay put more weight in your back foot when you come follow through it like who am i to give a single tip to anyone where did it go wrong for you like where did it start um bogies in a row at some point at whole at whole eight well first of all i remember when i posted my video um i posted my photo a bunch of people are like sliding in my DMs being like oh wait until you get an eight on 15 so I'm asking him like hey how hard is this hole in 15 he's like oh yeah it's pretty hard like it's a very long hole blah blah blah and I'm like everyone keeps on telling me I'm going to get a triple on it

and so now we're on hole I want to say it's hole eight um the hole that has two greens and like depending on which day you play there is where the flag stick is of your level so yeah they like Yeah, they like, they really just pick which green they want to play each day. I'll send you a photo of it. It's pretty cool. Like, your first and second, no, your first shot is always the same, obviously, you're top of the T-box. But then depending on where the hole is, there's legitimately two greens, like 30 feet away from one another.

They have a hole at Cabot cliffs there. It's like the sixth holes of part three. And there's legit. There's like an upper green and a lower green. And like I've seen guys hit it on the wrong. wrong green. Yeah, exactly. By looking at. Yeah. And so, like, it's really cool. They're just, like, they're tiny,

tiny greens. Like, like, it could arguably be an easy hole, but the greens are so small and they're all surrounded by bunkers that if you do go in the bunker, like, you're screwed. So now I sculled my three iron off of it. I'm like, all right, this is where the whales are falling off.

But, like, it goes through the first area of wasteland, and I'm like, I have eight iron in, I think. And I'm like, all right, maybe if I hit like the way my rounds go and maybe if I hit a miraculous shot I'll be able to get a par so I hit a nine iron

and I hit it I'm like oh I think that's actually really really really good and so I see the caddy like go like this so I'm like oh maybe that means fringe like fringe of the green so I go up there I'm looking for my ball and I go oh fuck where's my ball he's like you just

missed it you landed on the green and it sucked back and I'm like well why do you get me this like yeah I got in my head, oh my God. We had a high podcast this weekend. The Caddy gave me a safe sign. Safe sign. And so, like, I hit it right.

And I was like, all right. Well, like, if he gave me safe, like, he's obviously got eyes on it or, like, no, it's good. Lost ball. Couldn't find it. Had no one idea where it was. You're going to give me the safe. And then I lose it.

Are you like, what world will be living in it? It was incredible. I was dying loudly. Yeah. And I'm a huge guy where, like, I love playing with caddies, but like I'll never, ever, ever get mad at my caddy because I'm like, they're way better golfers than I am, especially if I'm playing at a nice place.

And I play with a couple guys who were like, oh, my fucking caddy told me to hit my nine iron. And it was short. And I'm like, well, how the fuck does the cat do you know exactly how you're going to hit the balling? You guys just met two hours ago. Right. How did you know how to process that information

and, like, make a decision? He's giving you things. And if you're like, if you know how long your nine iron goes, you don't just be like, okay, you know more than I do about my nine. I've been playing golf for 15 years. I met this guy 15 minutes ago. It's like, how does he know how far I hit my clubs? I also like when I ask, like, if you have a cat in, you're like,

all right, what's the yardage? And they're like, you know, it's a 180 shot. And I'm like, well, no, like, just what's the actual yardage? Because like I can, you don't know. Like, I might hit it. The wind might destroy my shot. I hit it really high and weak. Like in terms of how far it's playing,

like I can see that it's uphill. I have a brain. Like I can just see it. So like just give me the yardage and then I can. And I'm like, and I could sell one low straight. I could hit a compressed ball. I could hit one left to right or right to left.

Like I just need to know like the exact distance. Totally. To hit my ball. And so now I'm walking up. I'm walking up to eight. And I'm like, all right. I'm actually having a pretty good round.

And my ball is. the front bunker, I'm like, oh, fuck. So now I'm like, okay, again, maybe I can hit a sick bunker shot and have a barbed. Scull it out into the back bunker, back bunker, back into the front bunker. I'm like, oh, my God, wheels have completely turned off. I turned into like a career memorable round into like my normal golf game. And one, two hit two, my stroke three and stroke four and wholly ruined my wrap. It's all it takes is one bad fly.

You just skull one. It just come flying off. But also like, I mean, 84 at Pine Valley is essentially like a 76. I mean, with the, what I'm telling myself too. The golf season, sadly, is coming to an end. But it is the perfect time of year to get those fall golf rounds in. You got fall foliage. You're out there grinding.

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that kind of place? Yeah. Yes and no we get there they have a 10 hole short course at Pine Valley and each of the holes on the short course emulate a real hole on the course just way shorter. So he was like, hey, this is whole one in the short course, but it's actually a whole 10 way longer than the real course. So the first question I asked him, like, oh, like how hard was it getting in here? And like, is it true? Like everyone talks about how stuffy it is here.

And he was like, it's a complete opposite of stuffiness. Like I felt that too. Like it was not stuffy at all. And he said the only way you can get there is if you get, like you can't apply to be a member at Pine Valley. You have to get, like, invited by, you have to play with a certain amount of Pine Valley members, I believe, and then they invite you. And then that's how you become a member, which is kind of cool. It's so in a little city. Like, it has its own police.

The mayor lives on the course. Like, it's actually its own. Like, you answer home to the real road. I can't just go to, like, pinevalley.com and be like, hey, guys. Yeah. I want to be a member. Hey, Herringen's your cord. It's pretty sweet.

Can I join? Did you say they have their own police? I believe they do. Yeah, they have one police officer. Holy shit. Yeah. So, and they're all, I believe they're all members, too. On real.

Yeah. It was, honestly, it was really cool. And then you guys heard of like the, the devil's asshole. Yep, that bunker. So that's, that's whole, wait, back to, that's whole 10. So now we get back to 9. So now I ruined my round on 8. So I'm like, fuck this.

I haven't hit my driver yet either. I haven't hit my driver once. What? Yeah, not one time through the first eight holes. Jesus. Not just because you saw like the wastelands and you were nervous, like you were just playing like position golf or you just don't hit good driver? You really don't need your driver on a lot of the holes because you will probably be too far.

And like you can't go left or right at all. Right. You can't see another hole from your hole, if that makes sense. The whole day. Yeah. Jesus. Unless you could have over there. You could see the green of the previous hole usually from your T-box, and that's really it.

That's crazy. Yeah. And so, all right, so now I think I just ruined my round on 8th. And so I'm like, fuck this. I'm going to hit my driver. I don't even care. Round's ruined. I'm hitting my driver.

I absolutely step on this driver dead straight. So now I'm like, I'm back. I am back to my career around. So I end up par in nine. So I'm like, all right, here we go. And now the guys explain it to me the devil's asshole. But I'm like, if I go into this thing, like, supposedly, I think some people, like, who hit it in there,

just take it unplayable and you have to retie. So instead of, like, going to see if you can play your ball, you just re-tee from the tea box because the member knows like hey you're you're not getting out of this sand trout like you're you acted in it i stood in it and i was still i'm six four and i still couldn't i wasn't higher than the like half of it so it's holy fuck but like 10 feet down oh yeah but it's only like four feet wide you can't get out of it like nobody did the job. I honestly don't know if you can get out of it.

I mean, I'm sure some people can, obviously, but, like, he was telling me that, like, some people just hit three from the T-box again. Jesus. And so I don't have... And I'll send you guys videos of everything I have there, too. And, um...

Oh, yeah. I don't have a pitching wedge. I snapped it. So now my highest... And it's only, like... I think the shot was, like, 134 was the... was the distance for this hole. And my only club, it's either nine iron or 54 degree.

So I'm like, my nine iron's way too long because if I tried to like smooth the nine iron, it's going to like go really low. It's going to skip right for those devil's asshole. So then I'm like, all right, I'm just going to try to step on a 54. And I barely make the green. And I end up three putting it. but I honestly wish I went into the devil's asshole because it would have been fun to get out of it.

But yeah, way until I show you this video, I played my buddy Paul Carey, who I went to school with and played in New York with. And he's a really good golfer. And we both went down into the sand trap. And like honestly, there's still another, I would say at least three feet above my head. Do you try and hit one or he didn't like take an extra?

He says like it's not even worth because you can't. Right. That reminds me like when I went to Scotland like three years ago to play Ling's golf and every T shot the first like nine, I was like getting a pop bunker. Like please go into pop bunker. I just like I just went all the way over there. I was like I want to play out of a pop bunker. I finally did it in one.

Took me like two to get out. And I was like this is fantastic. But like it was crazy that like in real, obviously in like a real tournament there. if someone does go in there. The guy was telling me he's seeing people get like 11s there, 17s. Oh, my God. Yeah, like it's. Can't get out?

Yeah, it's crazy. At least go backwards. Like, just hit one backwards and then. But, like, so the way you get in is down the stairs. So, like, the back is high, too. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? You don't just enter from the back.

Yeah, Frankie, did you get the picture? Brendan just sent over? It's a joke. like this thing. Yeah, you just text in our group chat. It's a complete, it's the thinnest bunker you've ever seen and it has seven to eight foot walls. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It's just a hole in the ground. It's not a bunker.

You can't go backwards because you enter down like the stairs. Right. On the side. Yeah, it was wild. So then I was playing like, I was way better in the front than I was in the back and we get to 15 and in my head, I'm like, all right, this is the whole everyone, like people I don't even know were like sliding in my DMs being like,

oh, wait until 15, like, you're fucked for 18, 15. And so I'm like, all right, here we go. It's another challenge. The best is like a challenge within the golf match. Like, whether your buddy's like, like, oh, 50 bucks, I bet I can put this tightening on you from the same spot or whatever. And so now I'm like,

all right, I'm getting a par in this hole. And I hit a drive that's a little bit into the woods, punch out. So I'm like, all right, whatever. Like, it wasn't what I thought. I'm hitting three now from the middle of the fairway. I think I hit a good shot, didn't hear it far enough, OB into the woods, now I drop, now I go too long OB, and I'm like thinking, I'm like, how did everyone know that I was going

to get an E on this hole? Well, probably because you actually got it. Probably because everyone thinks of that. And then just like Alfonso Rivera says, you can't let that sleep like sneak into your head. You just cannot think negative thoughts going on to that T. Like you should have like, if no one messaged, the fucked up thing about golf is if you never read that message, you wouldn't think that was any sort of different of a difficulty hole.

You just been like, oh, like a long par five. Like no problem. 100%. Like you wouldn't have been like going against this hole, like trying to defeat it. Like you'd just be like, no difference. Let's just try and make a par, maybe a bogey. But because you had that, easy eight, easy. Yeah.

But then the worst thing in golf too is like when you do hit a good job, drive that ends up like your second shot is you can't really hit a good shot you have to just like punch out to the fairway again yeah so you're like fuck I thought I hit a really good shot but now I didn't and now I'm just hitting

it like 20 yards to the left and so you're like okay now I'm gonna make up for that shot step on my fur in this club and see what happens but then you just screw yourself if you more because then you go OV where if you hit like a five iron and I did another good shot you get a boge but now you end up with a triple and and then so that was 15 16 I was pretty

rattled because of the 15 so I tried to step on my drive I hit a long slice into 17 fairway and my caddy's like oh you're screwed like you're not going to find the ball and so I'm like all right well like I think I hit it further than you think I do so I went and looked and there's also nothing worse than when you were about to run out to your ball, but people are teeing off on that hole. So you're like, oh, you're like, do you know how like, I mean, for me, I get this feeling like, in golf, I'm so selfish. Like, if I see a ball on it, like, that could be mine. I don't think about anyone.

I just, like, run right over to it. And I'm like, oh, shit, there's someone teeing off literally at me right now. So now I'm like, all right, these guys probably think I'm a fucking idiot. And I'm going to wait. The caddies are telling me to, like, hold up. So it is my ball. And my catty's like, hey, just play it down. 17, like, you're going to be screwed for your next shot.

And I'm like, well, I think I can hit it high enough. I end up hitting a sick shot onto the green, get a par. No way. Let's go. This cat has sounded like it was against you on that hole from the T-box. He kind of was. He really worked. And he was a beauty, too.

And 17, what was 17? Oh, yeah, 17 was a cool part four. I doubled. So now 18. I'm like, all right, here we go. like Pine Valley, you can see one, 18. Like, this is a sick day. I'm playing with three cool-ass dudes, number one course.

I'm having a sick round. Like, if I part, I get an 84, which is really, really good for me. So I hit a four-iron, I think. And again, my cat, like, I hit a pretty good ball. I hit it too high so it doesn't go that far. And my cat, he's like, all right, this is a really hard shot. You can do this, but I should just do it. doing this. I'm like, oh, yeah, like, give me both the clothes, but go over it to the other guy's

ball and, like, help him. I'm still going to think about it. I knew exactly I was going for the green, like, 100%. I just didn't want to tell him or do it in front of him. So, like, as he's walking over to the other guy, just drop my seven iron, pick up my five iron and just step on it and hit it on to the green. So I'm like, walking right, it's like, I wish he saw it, but if he was looking, I definitely would have shamed it. Like, I probably would have been like, oh, my God, this kind of thing so I'm an idiot not listening to him so I end up part in 18 and then so I'm like I just shot in 84 this is amazing and I think my buddy's got a I think he shot an 80 I find out which is really good but it was probably it was probably a number it was a top three golf experience for me 100

percent. Yeah, I was going to ask because, I mean, you know, you're at old sandwich. You've played a bunch of sick places. You're an NHL guy with good money, good connections. Like Pine Valley's always ranked number one in the world. Like out of Augusta, Cyprus, and nobody knows anything about it. So for you having it, like, what do you think it's justified? Do you understand why people rank it number one? Yeah. Like, it honestly, like, if we had the time, I could have went through every single shot. I'll remember those shots for a long time. Like every single shot, unless you're completely sucking and spraying the ball, obviously. But like if you're hitting the ball relatively good, every single shot is like a really cool memorable shot. Like, pull two, like you hit up to a green that I guess there used to be trees behind it, but someone decided like years back that it would be a cooler view if they took the trees out and they did. And it's an unbelievable golf shot. Right. Like it's so cool.

like there's so much thinking that went on into every single one of their holes. Like I always, I have a debate and we had Brock Nelson on American Hero, you know all about him. So, I mean, I mean, Brock was a big component of beating the Flyers in the series this year. But let me talk to you about what we had this little argument about was views versus like golf course architecture and all that stuff. I'm a big, like, advocate for, like, Pebble Beach. You can't beat that golf course because look at where it is. Like, it's on a fucking cliff in Monterey Peninsula. But, like, Pine Valley could, like, that's, like, an inland golf course that you just need tree surrounded with it,

a ton of money to put bunkering and crazy stuff. But, like, you can't, you can replicate that in multiple areas around the northeast. You can't get another Pebble Beach. Like, to me, almost more spectacular. Yeah. But, like, are you saying that, like, Pine Valley is so. elite, like even visuals. Like, because I mean, I've seen

of it and like it looks like a fancy land. Man, like even the grass looks different than everyone else's grass. The first thing I, we're on the short course and I look at this guy, I'm like, dude, and this sounds so dumb too. I'm like, this is the best sharpened pencil I've ever seen

in my life. Dude, I know that exact feeling, man. It's everything's like. I'm like, do they have a pencil shopperner guy. It was insane. It was like the most perfect sharp pencil I've ever seen.

I think you just get caught up in it though, right? Like if you go to a comedy show, you're like, I'm going to laugh, so I'm going to laugh harder. When you go to a place like Pine Valley, you're like, everything is going to be perfect because I want it to be perfect. Yeah. And then like the guy making the drinks, I'm like, oh, that was an unbelievable dream. Yeah.

And then like, these are the clearest glasses I've ever seen in my entire life. And then like there, so on whole eight, you're, after you hit your second shot, there's like a little, I forget, it might be like it looks like a windmill kind of.

It's like an old, old school, like, tiny little shack. And you don't combine it again until 12. So, like, that's where you get your more beer or whatever, I'd get a couple snacks.

And then like inside there, they have, the golf balls of like all these cool people or cool looking golf balls that have been played on that course just like in a glass case that's so sick but it's just like thousands of golf balls yeah it just looks it just looks really cool yeah when a place like um like shows off their history like that and like a cool like fashionable way there's like Pioneer says that too you walk down the hallway and there's just like all the pictures of the championships and all the bags and the flags and the flag and That makes you feel like you're in a special place

because a lot of these places have history but you don't see that in like the memorabilia or like historical artifacts. You feel like you're in a fucking museum when you see stuff like that. And I think it's so sick when you play with a member that and our member was unbelievable at this guy. Like he tells you like the history of like throughout the round.

You know what I mean? Like that's so sick, I think. Well, it's coming through like, it's coming through so clear how much you like, I mean that you remember every single. single shot. Like, I played, I, we played, like, I, we played spyglass. I can't tell you one hole in that golf course. I was like horrible and I just don't remember it. Like, I don't remember playing there. But like, that's the way. You played well enough to remember, which is

what's good. Yeah. Like, the worst thing ever is going to a sick course and you play like shit and you're like, fucking, hey, I'm embarrassed. The guy who brought me out there knows a professional athlete probably thinks I'm an old gay golfer. Like, I stunk. So that's the bad one. B, I'm, I'm like, get me the fuck out of here. This sucks. But then at the same time, I'm like, fuck it if I was playing with my buddies, like this would be unbelievable because it's such a sick-ass golf course. I was like, that was what happened with me in Cyprus,

when Lurch and I played Cyprus this summer. And people were like, how, like, was Cyprus the best? And I played the worst golf I've played in years. And I was like, well, I don't know because I didn't play any of the whole. So, like, it looked really cool, but I don't know. Like, I judge my favorite. favorite rounds with A, the people on whip is the most important. Like, I don't care if it's a new member I just met.

Like, if you're a good person, I can play golf with you at 100%. Like, if you're a cool down-to-earth, dude, you're good at my book. So the people I play with and, like, how you play, like, how you actually play yourself. And like, that's how, like, my favorite rounds of golf might have not been at the best golf courses. Yeah, so you said, like, we've all. We're all not great golfers in this room. We all love golf.

Super fun being outside with your buddies, having beers. Like, the whole thing's perfect. Definitely played some courses that I never think that I would get on. You said that it was a top three. I'm interested to know, like, what the other two that are in contention when you think, like, best golf experience is what they are. Yeah. So, I mean, it probably was, like, number one, honesty.

Okay. Just because it is Pine Valley. Yeah. But it's hard to argue. Like I had an unbelievable round at Liberty National. And the guy that took us out, Gary Siegel, he took out six of us. So, like, we played as a six-sum. It was like me, Rick Nash, my buddy Paul, my two buddies from Boston and Gary.

And, like, six guys, Liberty National is the top five golf force for me. I love that place. And, like, we also, like, played behind Jason Kidd and Eli Mann. Okay. That was a couple of days And then During COVID I played Indian Creek

Is that what it's called? In Miami? Down in Miami? Yeah. So, and Rick Bettina was my teammate. Yeah, that adds

the experience. Like, that's cool as shit. Like, I've been with one of my best friends. friends and Rick Petino and Rick Petino's kid and Rick Petino is my teammate. Saying Rick Petito is my teammate and slap out loud. So like that was that was like top three golf experience for me. Dude that Winkett.

Rick Petino bought a house at Wingfoot and he's like on whatever hole that was like six or something like behind there. And I heard that like he didn't even move anything in like yet. like it's a brand new house but he basically just um put up a grandstand in his backyard and had just a bunch of people over during the u.s open they got absolutely shit face like they said the house is completely empty but he had like 30 people over like to have a u.s open party and they just they all the only thing they furnished was the backyard man this guy just with grandstands he was so cool yeah awesome it was it was like it was so much fun like and he he uh he was just like

very open like he clearly loves winning like something i can like correlate to like i love like hair and people that have been very successful in sports like just tell stories and like for for so for me like that's a top three top five valve experience totally but then like i played like fisher's fishers fish is unbelievable fish design did we had j on were you in that group didn't was it fishers or fry's head that like that rickna's just like Brought everyone on a helic. Fish. That was my other one.

Like that was... Like, And then we're playing 36 and coming back to New York City. Yeah. And then we're like, hey, how much do you need? And he's like, oh, no, it's all in me. And we're like,

We've got to get Rick Nash on this show. We've heard too many stories about Rick Nash playing golf that we need to get Rick Nash on. He has some good stories. He has a lot of connections. So he's the one that's trying to get us out on Seminole. Gotcha. We're going down there.

We're playing, uh, keep the handles, remember at Grove. So we're playing Grove, I think Seminole, and either Emerald Dunes or Bears Club. How do you keep up with that group? I know we've got to wind down here. We have another one coming up here. We got Walker Bueller coming on.

Just won a world series. Yeah, it's unreal. Not to kick you off, but I know that's got to before. No, we are kicking you off. We do got to kick you off. How, keeping up that level of chirping? Like, I mean, Keith the handle, Rick Nash, you? Like, how do you guys like, do you guys, do you guys,

probably all the best buddies at this point, but like that's almost too much to handle. It's so much fun. I just, I just had some advice from New York Cup to play O.S. and Walson and Yance played both rounds with us. Like, it's honestly sometimes unfair because I know all of his jokes, but like some people that don't, like, you can't even, you can't even focus what some of the shit he says. He really is a funny guy.

Just from the outside looking at him, but although, what do you think about his performance on the pizza views? A little nervous. Yeah, so that's what I heard. I mean, he's not like, he's one of those guys that, like, once you get to know him, he's actually the funniest human on-planet earth. Like, actually the funniest brand of him ever met. Like, everything you said me.

When he's miced up on the ice, it's when, I mean, it's a must-watch content. I don't know why. J.T. Miller told us he was a 0.7, so J.T. ruined the weekend because it was me and Keith versus JT and Mark Stahl and he told us he was a point seven so he was giving us a ton of strokes and he was the worst point seven I've ever seen in my life

so we ended up smoking them but like every time a ball would go by the hole like on a punt you would just hear in the background like yeah it's hard like flying by someone it was unbelievable oh my God it's so funny All right, Hasey.

We appreciate it. We're not trying to kick you off, but we got an interview in one minute with the World Series champ. All right. Yeah, I can talk for days. You don't have time for guys to get bounced in game seven against the United States. All right, boys. Thank you. Thank you, man.

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We are sliding right into our second. interview, our second guest of the show. He's a World Series champ, Walker Bueller. All right, folks, we're joined by a very special guest. Walker Bueller, World Series champ, Dodgers, big golf guy. How's life been the last couple weeks? I imagine you're riding a pretty big high right now. Yeah, it's been good, man. Obviously, we're all kind of excited to get that thing done and get out of the bubble, but no, we've been enjoying it, man. It's one of those things. I think it's going to take a while to kind of sink in, but I'm trying to enjoy it for sure. Yeah, in terms of like it's sinking in and I'm curious, like, do you have, if you woken up a few days and just

been like, oh, shit, like, it happened. Yeah, I think more than anything, it's, it's that the season's over. I think you wake up and you're like, oh, like, I don't have to go do anything today or I don't have to go to the field. You know, it was kind of weird, I think because we didn't do the full-on celebration that it was kind of just like, oh, it was over. Like, you know, it's hard to explain. Obviously, it's one of those things that you kind of build up your whole life, you know, winning a World Series and do all these things and work and do everything for it. And then it happens.

And we're kind of in just a different time. So you can't really do all the things that you thought you would do or whatnot. So I was talking to our general manager the other day. I just feel like I'm playing hooky. You know, I feel like we should be at the field. But, no, you know, we still won. that's all we really care about. How does it feel, too, like you're so young and you're having so much success,

like national championship in college, and then you come to MLB and you win a World Series, you feel like just winning follows you. Like that, like, that happens to athletes, where they're just, like, attached to winning. No, you know, I think I followed winning, man. I got to pick to go to Bandy, and obviously the culture there is pretty special, and we were able to get it done there. And then, you know, I was very fortunate to get drafted where, where I did and be in this organization.

So, no, it's just been a fun ride for sure. What are your days? Like, as a pitcher, it's so unique to me, right? Like, we're going to talk golf. I know you're a big golf guy. You got a good history with your dad. I saw some funny quotes. We'll get into all that.

But golf is like, we talk a lot about it. It's such an individual sport. It's a sport where those guys, like, they don't make money if they play poorly. It's like you've got to be there every day, every round, every tournament, and make money, whereas you're a starting pitcher. Like, you go many games where you're not even going to be in the game. How, like, are you like a crazy, you know, a goalie parent in hockey or something when they're, when they're kids in there just going nuts in the day?

And what are those days like when you're not even pitching? No, you know, it's weird. You kind of, you know, you have a day where you throw a bullpen, right? So that's probably your biggest day in between in terms of like what I have to actually do. And, you know, you're day one, so your first day is, is, it's usually either awesome or terrible because you were either really good or really bad. So then you'll have your bullpen day mix in there. But the other days, you're just kind of there hoping, you know, when you get to the field that your arm feels good and you can kind of move on with your day. That's about it.

But, yeah, we get to be a fan a lot. I got, I got really good season tickets to the Dodgers. So, you know, so, you know, when you're off, I mean, you guys. able to obviously things are different with the bubble we talked a little bit about the bubble free show but like you play a good amount of golf even during the season yeah i'll probably play four or five times a year in l.a and then um probably three or four times a year on the road we'll kind of pick out you know some courses you know in certain cities that we're playing and stuff if if you're the problem is sometimes the rotation can mess you up right if you don't want to go the day

you get in so we get in at night you don't really want to play that next morning because we got to go really early. You've got to be at the field at two. So you've got to play at like eight. So usually you want to go to the second day, but if you're pitching, you can't do that. And then the third day we're leaving. So they're usually day games. So you usually only have one shot at it. But we've gotten lucky a couple times where you have the right off days and stuff. So we got to play Cyprus last year, which was really cool. And the Olympic club down there. San Francisco, we end up playing a lot. But no, my other, probably my favorite place we've played in the road has been, it's called the Sanctuary. It's in Denver.

It's a really, really, really cool course. But I think the guy that started Remax, I think, built it basically for himself. And now it's kind of open it up. So we got to play there. That one was really cool. Do you play well? I feel like people usually love an experience when they play well. Yeah, that's where I first beat my dad.

So that one's going to be my favorite course forever, maybe. I think I shot 83, which not great, but it was good enough. That's pretty good. That's pretty fucking good. we just got up. I'm like a nine or ten, so I should be better than I am, but I've never, I've never broken 80. So it's a disaster on that, on that part. Really? Jesus. You've probably been around around in a bunch. Yeah, yeah. But so the funniest thing, the office or the quarantine, we have like a little men's league at the country club that I'm at

at home. And I played with this guy who was like college borderline going to be a professional guy. He was like a minus two or scratch, whatever. whatever it was. And we played nine holes with strokes, so I got four strokes. And he and I both went birdie, birdie off the jump. I ended up shooting I think it was 36 net 32, and he shot 33. And it was so funny. Holy shit.

Yeah, that's pretty. You only play nine holes? Yeah, you just play nine with the strokes and you kind of do it as a. Like you would have to be your sub 80, you're out if you played 18 that day. Yeah, you shot 30. So what I usually do, what I usually do when we play those men's leagues, I'll play 18 before get my blood alcohol level at the right spot. Yeah.

So then in the men's league, I can really go. Wow. That's genius. Yeah, that's almost like an emergency night. Everybody always feels good for the emergency night. Exactly. Exactly. Except that's your men's league.

So you, I understand, too, at golf, you got, you do, you started a golf charity event that's done pretty damn well? Yeah, so the first year we did it, we did it for pediatric cancer research. I had an uncle that passed away kind of as the result of pediatric cancer. So we did it that the first year. And then last year we did it for Rich Hill's charity, which was really cool.

It's called Field of Genes is the foundation he's created. They lost a son to a rare genetic thing. And so he's kind of put a lot of time and money and himself in this foundation to try and help people find out some more about that stuff. So we raise $100,000 for his charity. That was our big goal, and we were pretty proud of that. You probably have some pretty good names that show up to this event. Yeah, we had some cool.

A lot of Dodger guys have showed up. You know, I think it's hard in the off season to get guys to do things, but, you know, we got a couple guys to come. Will Smith came. He's from Louisville, and then my buddy Josh Spores came, and Jose Viscayano is, actually related to me by marriage. It's kind of a long story, but he's come both years.

He's always in my foursome. He played forever and coaches with us now, so we always get him out there. Rich was there. Jacob Tammy came this year, which was pretty cool, the former tight end for the Falcons, but we keep it pretty Lexington Central. I mean, you know, for what we're doing,

we kind of like doing it within the city and everyone supports me there, you know, crazily, I think, you know, if they're going to spend that kind of money, man, we want to make it cool for him. That's great. Who else on the squad? Who else is a Dodger who's a big golfer who gets out with you? Will Smith's a really good player, our catcher. He's like a six. Joe Kelly's a good player. He's about the same as me. I played with Price. Price hits it. He's an interesting player. When I play with me, all he hit was four iron off the tee. but he's a pretty impressive player.

Mookie's really good. Mookie's good at everything. Yeah, you know, there's a few guys to play here and there. Yeah, Mookiee is, he's maybe the best athlete, like, ever. I mean, that guy, bowls, he can dunk. You see him run a route football, that video of him absolutely dust himself. Obviously, outrageous baseball player.

And now you're saying he's, like, good on the golf course. I've never seen, I don't think of ever seen him. I bet he's about an eight probably. Some guys just have it all, man. That's crazy. You know what's crazy about him? He's obviously like super athletic. Like when you watch him play,

you can see like how athletic he is. But people that are that athletic aren't always super coordinated. And like everything he does and does really well, it's like all coordination too. So like he, I just haven't seen many people that can do both like that. Like to bowl is not about how big or strong. or athletic you are, right?

It's about like this little, putting this little spin on it, and he can do that all the time. He can play golf, like, make it also run and throw, you know, it's crazy.

Probably outrageous at, like ping pong and darts, too, like stuff that you were just not, yeah, there you go, like all these little games that you just can't beat this guy in. Like,

maybe you can beat him in bubble hockey, maybe. Yeah. Now, Kurt, you know, Kursh is a really good player, ping pong. We have a good ping pong crew.

That's a big thing in spring training for us, but I always, I saw a video on you, but you guys did a big ping pong thing. I don't know if that was on the music. I won it two years or two or three years ago. Yeah. Oh. Me and Trace Thompson.

But Trace was a stronger partner. I was kind of there just along for the ride. We got some, like, controversy on our show with ping pong because our other guy who's not here right now, Lurch, is supposed to be our ringer. And we talk them up. And then they do stool streams where we have these games, you know, live. And people were bet and taking picks.

and he just loses every fucking time we have like a big one. Yeah, it's tough. You better be really good. It's almost like the same feeling in golf when you're like, I'm going to wait for these guys to clear the green before I hit, and then you just duff it. Like everyone's looking around you being like, okay, if you're waiting for this 250-yard fade around this trees to let these guys get out of the green,

you better hit a good shot. And then like you just stuff it three feet, that you're going to be an absolute laughing stock. And that's what arch is right now. Yeah, if you're going to do that, you have to at least miss long. You just go get another club, miss long. See, it could have gotten them, and then no one says anything.

What's the best part of your game right now on the golf course? Are you most competent driving, putting? Like, where are you at right now? So when we were in the bubble, I was chipping a ton. Just literally on grass to grass, no golf course because we couldn't get on there. But I was starting to feel better with that. I've always hit the ball well. I cannot put at all.

So that's kind of the weak link. But yeah, you know, I did a couple lessons when I first got out here. So I've been working on some swing stuff. So we're, I'm excited to get home, kind of see where we're at. Then I, you know, I just don't really know, to be honest with you. You always were a pitcher. Did you play a position in like high school college? Like, were you a good hitter?

No, not well. I mean, obviously in high school, I played everything, but none of it really well. And so then, yeah, they kind of took the bat away. for me in college, which I didn't really care about, to be honest. I was terrible at it anyway. So, but I did hit one homer in the big leagues. I got my one out of the way. We can keep the D.H.

We can keep the D.H. I don't care. I got my one. So the reason I ask that is because like you, now that I think about it, which I've never really thought about is like you, you watch these pitchers get up there. Sometimes they just can't put a swing together. Like they just don't have it.

And then like, but it may correlate, not correlate to the golf course. Like I feel like pitchers are pretty good golf. golfers because you guys have a little bit more time, a little more laid back schedule. I think so I didn't know if there was a correlation, like not swinging as opposed to a baseball players constantly has that motion. You know, the golf ball doesn't move, right? So that's why it's the worst game in the world because the ball doesn't move. So you should hypothetically be able to do exactly what you want with it at all times.

Correct. Just never works out that way. A baseball is flying at you. you know so if you were to take a golf swing if i hit my driver and you had to try and hit that with a golf club you'd look like some of the pitchers look like when they swing true so you're probably the best person I ask like some people say that golf's the hardest sport in the world because of that fact that everyone can play it it doesn't move and you still can't get it done would you where would you place or rank difficulty in terms of sports between baseball and golf because

I think those are usually one and two when it comes like actually getting it done at a high level. Yeah, I think golf mentally has got to be the toughest, just because here's the thing. I think it's the toughest because you have to be so accountable and people, not everyone has that in them, right? Like some people want to blame the wind and all this stuff. Like, if you miss hit it, you miss hit it, right? And some people just can't come to grips with that. In baseball, you can make excuses for yourself and be like right, you know, like, oh, just made a good swing or the umpire whatever but um i definitely think baseball is a more difficult thing to be very very very good at but i think mentally based or golf is

significantly it's a different it's a different challenge yeah and it's funny because like they people talk all the time about how you know jack nicholas has said that he told himself that he like never missed a put right then it's like oh you miss red it or the win or it hit a spike mark, but he had psychologically trained, like, no, no, I've never missed a pot. Even, like, I talk with Brayneal Chambley, the golf analyst about, like, certain players have to be delusional to get to a certain level in golf, where you just believe things that actually aren't even true because, like, protecting that is so important.

Like, with pitching, I mean, how much, how much psychologically do you have to, like, almost bullshit yourself to believe that you're unhittable? Yeah. Well, I think for, I think for pitchers, it's a lot simpler, right? Like we're purely success driven. Like if I go like, if I'm pitching, I expect to do X, Y, and Z and be successful every time I pitch, right? The hitters are the sickos because they fail like 70% of the time and they're great, right? So they're really the most delusional people out there because they walk up there and they fail significantly more than they succeed.

Yet every time they walk up there, they believe they're going to do well. it's just, that's the toughest one. That's such a good point. It's like this guy's an unreal hitter. Like he's so dangerous. And it's like, well, 70% of the time, he's actually just going to be a joke. And he's just like gone. We're just going to send him back over there.

Dude, hitting a baseball seems impossible. You are lucky enough to be on the other side of it. But facing you would be a nightmare. It just seems like the hardest thing. I face some guys, man. A, people don't really really. realize it's day games and things like that, certain shadows, you don't see the ball near what you think you should. And when you don't see it, you assume it's going to hit you. So that is a scary

element, number one. Number two, we don't practice enough to like see the ball doing different things. So we don't know what is coming ever. Right. And we don't practice enough to even have good swings. So then if something good happens and we get on base, we don't practice sliding. So you slide and you carve up your hand on the dirt and now your hand has scabs all over it and you're supposed to go throw now with this after you were on there with two outs and had to run into the dugout after you just ran the bases and run back out there it's tiring there's a lot of elements of hitting that make pitching difficult so just keep the dh we have it in there listen that's it i like pitching to pitchers that's a that's an awesome thing i wish i wish they've

would have a DH with some talent ceiling. You could only be so good to be the DH. That's what I would like. I don't know how they'll cap that. Like, oh, this guy's about to hit his 20th home run, but if he stays at 19, he can be the DH. Maybe you can only be a DH if you went undrafted. Maybe that's a solution.

You've clearly thought about this. No, I've never thought about it like this before ever. Honestly, this is purely off the top of my head. It's pretty good, though. I just watched the movie 61 last night. I've never seen it. Did I lose you guys? No.

Walker just shut you down before you could even... I said, I've never seen it. I've never seen 61. I've never seen 61. Me either. What? I mean, you're the weird one in this group right now. It's Roger Maris, Mickey Mantle.

They talk about, I mean, it's all historical shit. I'm not breaking any news here. I mean, Roger Marr's broke Bay Roost record. Like, sorry, guys. That's no fucking spoiler alert. It's not like the Mandalorian just came out on Friday. It's happened in 1960s. Like, get off my dick over here.

All right. So listen to me. Listen, hold on. They made a great point, which has nothing to do with anything we're talking about, but I just want to talk to this. And we have a World Series winner on the podcast. I want to talk about it. They were like, oh, we're going to put an asterisk next to,

oh, maybe it goes back to this because, like, some people say it was a short in season, with the Dodgers. Look at me going right now. What do you think about that? With like, it's a legit world series or would you compare it to some other seasons that maybe they played double the amount of games? What do you have to say? There was two teams left. They went and played a best of seven series. One team got a giant trophy that said they're the World Series champion. So yeah, it was a legitimate world series. I agree with that. I said that. We just had Kevin Hayes from the Philadelphia Flyers on the podcast right before you came on.

And I said that he was saying, oh, it's COVID Cup because they lost and whatever, the whole thing. But the trophy was being handed at the end of the day and someone wants that trophy and their names are going to be on it and they're going to be able to hold it and drink with it. And that's it. And like, that's cool. And like, that's the goal. They're playing like everybody you defeated, like really wanted to win it as badly as possible. And the two best teams made it. And the two best teams made it.

Right. And at the end of the day, had we, could we have played 162? Like, had we been allowed to? would have. It's not like, it's not like half the teams played 60 and the other half played 180, you know, we all played the same thing. You know, when we were in college, we won the national championship. Like, we played 60 games. And then we played the, you know, it is what it is. You play what the schedule says. And then whoever is the best team at the end is the best team at the end. Right. Everybody had the same chance and you guys just were better than everybody else.

Correct. Yeah. And the reason I bring this whole thing up with 61 is because in the movie, they're like, all right, like Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs in 150-something games. Then Maris had 162. So, like, oh, you like have to hit it within that time slot. I mean, that game amount to not have an asterisk next to it. But his part is like, what you actually look forward, like, no one realizes like the light changes stuff. He's like, hey, like, yeah, we're playing eight extra games or whatever, but we have to,

like, travel and we play night games. Babe Ruth didn't. Like that, people realize, like, that's so much harder with different lights. And, like, one day you learn how to hit a certain way, another day. there shadows, there's lights, like fans are behind the picture and stuff. Like, there's so much that goes into it that you can't just say one guy had this, one guy had this. It's just whatever happens.

Same thing with the COVID situation. Like, everyone had the same chance. And like, yeah, it's different than last year, but you can't compare them. Like, that's not fair. It's just, it just is what it is. And, like, you just have to go with it. I agree. Great movie, by the way.

You guys got to go watch that. Philly Crystal directs it. It's a great movie. I want to watch it. I got a question about nerves. Like, you, like, you, like, Let's take the most nervous you've ever been on the first T somewhere. I'm sure it was, you know, I'm sure you can have that in your brain.

Or it is, you know, taking the mound, World Series, everything's on you. What's, what, like, are you more nervous over the golf ball or in the World Series? Now, here's, here's the way I would, I would phrase this. If, here's how much nervousness you have in your left hand, right? You also have the confidence of, like, knowing what you're doing, right? Yep. So in baseball, like, for me, typically they're pretty, close level wise golf i know that down here like my knowledge of what i'm doing is a lot lower

so therefore even if it was half as much nerves it's going to outweigh the confidence that i have i would equate the nervousness that i get playing golf to just fear and when i play baseball it's kind of like a normal like people getting nervous thing that's a great way to describe it. It's like the less comp, like the less ability you actually have, then the like nervousness actually is a total amount of nervousness. It's how much it

outweighs if you can actually do it. And if you know that you're just not good at golf, your nervousness is going to be really high because you're going to hit horrible shot. Yeah. It's like, it's like buying a house, right? If I have, if I want to buy a million dollar house and I have a million dollars, it's like, oh, I could just

buy it, so I'm all good. But if you don't have that money, you can only put it down payment like you're in debt. So you get in debt nervous-wise, I think, for me. You know what I mean? Explain that to me like I was five and I really appreciate it. That makes all the sense in the world. That does.

It's so true because I never want to be in debt with nervousness ever again. Like I want to buy the million dollar house every time I step on the T-box now. Paying cash. Paying cash. It's all. I don't get just a gigantic nervousness mortgage payment looming over. I filed. Yeah.

I filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy 20 times. I've stood on the T-box and I was like, Michael Scott, I declare bankruptcy. And everyone's just like, it's not how it works. You have to hit the ball. I mean, Trent, when we went to Trubidor, Trent couldn't get the golf ball on the T. He was so nervous, he literally couldn't not get the golf ball on the T.

Tell me how much debt he was in. No, that's happened to me twice now. We did it at Pioneer, and then when we did it at Trubidor, I'm usually the first one to go, and I couldn't get the damn ball on the T. Great picture, though. Yeah, I hit a good. good one, but still, I'm fucking nervous because I, I don't have any golf ability. I have none of it.

So I'm just, like, hoping for the best. I will say, at Pynhurst, it was a little unfair, because, like, Kisner knew that that was going to happen. And, like, before you even tried the first time, he's like, oh, he can't get the ball in the T-Trent. And you're, like, he knew what he was doing. He's seen that in pro-ans before. Yeah, psychological warfare. Yep. I don't do well. Where are you base at it right now? Are you in Lexington? So I'm still in L.A. right now, but I spend the off-season in the Lexington, yeah. I think where I'm going there. I think Dave's going to the Breeders' Cup. So I think we're heading on.

Yeah, I'll be there. I'm an ambassador for the Breeders' Cup. Oh. Does that happen because he's won a World Series or was that prior? That's been a couple years. That's where I met Dave there two years ago. He was telling a story about it when the whole tight pants thing happened. How I guess I messaged and was like, oh, you're at the Breeders Cup. and then I went and met him and sat down and I guess I acted like he should have known who I was

even though he didn't know who I was. But these things happen, you know, it's okay. I do. And he's not the one to like let that slide. He like will let you know immediately. That happened with Marlins man. One of my favorite stories ever. Marlins man comes running up to Dave and he's like,

hey! And Dave's like, what? Like, who are you? And he goes, hang on and turns around and puts the Marlins hat on and goes, how about now? And Dave's like, oh yeah, Marlins, man. Like, hey, Marlins, man, what's up? Yeah, so he'll tell you that right to his face.

Bring your guys clubs. We can go play my country club. You know what, man. I think I'm going to Lexington and then I'm staying the next day. And I think Dave's going in. And then I'm like in between there and Piner's. Like we have to be at Piner's by Saturday. So I may have my club.

I will have my clubs with me. me in Lexington? Let me know. That would be awesome. So Breeders' Cup ambassador, what's your, what's your play all week? Like, are you, are you gamble a lot? You get into it? Yeah, we do a little, we do a little picking on the horses. So my fiance and I actually bought little micro shares of authentic. So I am one of about 2,000 owners of authentic. So we are, we're rooting big time for him in the classic. And then Bob Baffert and I have become pretty good buddies. he lives out here and just met him when he threw out a first pitch when he won the triple

crown so um you obviously want to see him do well do you have to grow up like a big horse guy if you grow up in lexington kentucky um yeah i mean you don't have to but you you have to you know do like do you like go to like the horse races with your buddies like growing up yeah so keelland which is where the breeders cup is this year is like pretty top three or four track in the country but we obviously think it's the best track in the country. We used to be able to tell our attendance ladies at high school when you were like a junior or senior that you were going to see Dr. K, and so we would just roll out there, you know, Thursdays and Fridays usually.

That's completely different than the way I grew up, but also awesome because every single race I've been to has been like the best experience I've ever had. Like Kentucky Derby Breeders. Anything that we go to is just the coolest, the coolest, just like gambling, like being in a group where everyone's rooting for one like horse and like in that rush and that feeling of watching the outside and like someone knows or someone saw something and like you you start picking up like what makes a good horse like I remember we were walking around the paddock and we were like Dave was like explaining like oh like that horse like looks like sweaty and they're like

washing them down more and this horse like has this and you really get a feel for it like like like you can really like I remember like maybe lost my first five races and then I started to like win a couple where you're like, holy shit. I think I'm starting to get a feel for like what makes a good horse, like what the odds move and stuff. So I really like it. I enjoy it a lot. No, it's the best. But, no, so my fiance's sister is married to a jockey, he's named Robbie Abarado. So I like to go, when I go to the races now, I just go and sit in the jocks room basically and hang out with those guys. But you tower over in those guys or what? Yeah, they're all pretty little. They're all very, very little. Yeah. It's true. No, we've had it. The family's had a good year, man. He, Robbie won the Preakness. And

and then we won, so it's been a good one for us. Is a jockey life a hard life? Like, is that like... It's the worst. It's the worst life. It's so... If he listed every bone that he's broken to you, you'd be absolutely... It's insane.

And they ride multiple horses throughout the day, right? People don't realize that they just keep rotating it. So they'll ride multiple time. Yeah, eight or ten races. Oof. That's crazy. We talk about golf where you have to make it happen for yourself or else you don't get paid like fuck jockeys need to do that too.

Right, but they aren't the ones running. So they're like, you know. They're like, they're dependent on the legs underneath it. That's crazy. I mean, they're horse caddies. Yeah. Exactly what they are. Like fucking run faster, dude, then let's go.

So the horses are probably smarter than the golfers. Possibly. all right i want to hear about uh i want to hear i want you guys to play a little round of golf together and i want to hear walker's take on frankie's game that's where i'm looking forward to that would be fun yeah uh no i i just hope i don't have those like like had had we tried to set this up and i didn't meet you i would have been an absolute debt i would have been an absolute debt of nerve but i feel a little bit better now knowing that like all right we've had a conversation but man there's nothing worse and shrunk up to a club of someone and

you're like meeting them for the first time you don't know like how they play you don't know what their vibe is like and they're just like you just I I personally just crumpled into a ball so I'm open to this one though I will tell you the saddest thing that happens to me on the golf course so I'll go and play with somebody and never play with them never met them before and they'll be like all right what's your handicap like let's get a little game I'm back oh I'm a 12 and I'm like okay and I hit like I hit my driver pretty far but the rest of my game is not very good so I'll smoke a drive and then they'll look at me and they'll look at me and they're a 12 huh and i have to be like listen just just wait a little while you'll figure it out and then as the day goes on they slowly

just like get what's happening yeah yeah no i think we'd get along real well because that's pretty similar to what's going on over here yeah it's the worst yeah all right walker we appreciate it man we appreciate the time absolutely good congratulations you guys got to be back up and we just I think that's got to be the first World Series champ we've ever had on the show, right? Definitely. Love that. Totally. That's close.

Yeah. Like, when would we even have been close? I don't know. Yeah. So good work. I mean, winning the World Series is awesome. That is such a cool thing to say. Like, that is, that's unbelievable.

This guy right here on my screen won the fucking World Series. Like, yeah, man. That's crazy. That's sweet. All right, man. I'll hit you up and maybe we can get something going. Yeah, I'll have. See you guys.

All right. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Later you.