Fore Play - "Oh yeah, I met Joe LaCava at the bar last week"

Episode Date: September 18, 2018

Riggs details meeting Tiger's caddie Joe LaCava last week. In From The Gallery, we answer listeners' pressing questions and concerns. Who is the most bland, cookie cutter guy on the PGA Tour? Would you take Tiger winning the Tour Championship if it meant the USA would lose the Ryder Cup? A story about "that guy" who never takes his turn putting the flagstick back in. Is it a "greaser" move to bring your own beers to play at your own country club? We also preview the Tour Championship and breakdown our close personal friend USGA's new rules. Let's talk some golf. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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Riggs and Trent, guys, welcome to the show. Four play presented by Barstool Sports. It's a Monday. You guys are listening to this on a Tuesday. Like I mentioned in the introduction, we are coming off a week off. No golf this past weekend for the men, for the PGA tour. There was some other golf, which we're going to get to a little bit. But it feels nice.

It feels like we're able to take a breath a little bit. It feels like every single week it's been like a major or a huge FedEx Cup event or we're getting ready for the Ryder Cup. It is, it was a little refreshing, but it's also strange to have no golf at all on. Like when I sit down, I have a routine where I just sit on my couch all weekend and I usually flip around and I watch golf and it just wasn't there. It's very, it's strange. It's peculiar. I found myself habitually checking my leaderboard app. Yes.

Pulling up the leaderboard to like see like, like, oh, did anything shift? There's just nothing on. So, yeah. Nothing was going on. I actually went to like a friend's, Thursday night. I was like, what did Tiger do today?

And I just looked on my phone and I was like, oh shit. You went to a what? I went through a, I went into a frenzy. I thought you said you went to a frenzy. So did I. Which was like.

I was like, tell me what that is now. I thought that sounded like a meeting with friends. Like you went to a frenzy. Did I say I went into a frenzy? It sounded like to me. Two thirds of the room

think you said frenzy. That you went to a frenzy. Can you imagine what a frenzy would ensue? I mean, the first thing. I thought you like you, that made it so confidently. Like you went to like a cocktail. party.

He's like me and my frenzy. We went to a frenzy at this bar. Tiger Woods to talk about. I will say, and I've said in the past that Tiger Woods' weekends can be stressful, where it's like he's sort of in the mix and then he's sort of not, sort of in the mix, sort of not. So it was kind of nice to like refuel and just kind of be refreshed going into a tour championship. It was. It was a bummer to not be able to wake up and be like, okay, Tiger's in this position.

We need this today and all that. I forgot to completely forgot to put on the sheet because we haven't had a show to talk about it since, but I met Joe La Cavaa last week. Yeah, you did. Tell us about it. So it was, I didn't, I was stunned at kind of everything that happened because these guys at Thusio who do, you know, they've kind of been popping up here and there you see their videos. They had like the John Daly clip when John Daly told the story about trying to get tired to get a beer with them. And they've had a handful of others that have popped up.

And they do like these media events where they get, you know, people in the sports media world to come and they do Q&As with them and they sort of get them to tell some pretty cool stories. And so, again, I didn't really know much about what was going on. They invited me to this event. They're like, Joe La Cava's going to be there. We would love if you came. I just thought he would be generally, like, within the same building. That's kind of all I'm thinking. So I roll in and they're like, yeah, we'd love for you to, we had a couple cool ideas for you to film a couple things with Joey.

You know, so like, Joe Likava's like, what are you talking about? So, yeah, he's right there. So I go over, meet him real quick. He's like grabbing a butt light at the bar. He's talking to a couple other people. So, like, it was kind of this awkward exchange at first where I was like, they wanted to introduce me, we kind of made eye contact. And then he got distracted, was talking to somebody else. So I was like, I'm just going to stand, like, generally near him.

And then he came over, like, two or three minutes later and was, like, right behind me. And I kind of turned and looked. And he gave quick eye contact, put his hand out. And I was like, hey, I'm Riggs. What's up? What's up, Joe Lachava? He's like, Joe Likava, really nice to meet you. I was like, you too, man.

I was like, I actually, I don't know if you're familiar at all. I like, you know, I do a lot of the golf coverage for Barstle sports. And he was like, I may not want to admit this, but I'm familiar with you guys. And I was like, oh, that's great. And he goes, now I'll be honest. He's like, I don't, the only thing I know how to do on my phone is text. He's like, that's all I got is text. I got like an iPhone too.

Classic dad. But he's like my son's 19 in college and is obsessed with whatever you guys do. So I'm familiar with what you guys are. And he was like in a bunch of guys on tour. Every time I walk by, I'm there on Barstool. Shout out to Jason Day. Jason Day. Great example.

Riggs saw the door slightly just opening real. You saw the light. coming through a door. So there's all this going on. And like, I didn't know, you know, he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he could be, like this really quiet, sort of,

um, guarded, you know, I don't want to do. He was just, like, the most outgoing, friendly guy.

He was, like, walking up to other groups of people being like, hi, I'm Joe, and they're turn around, like, yeah, we know, dude, that's why we're here.

Uh, so we get a couple of beers, we filmed a couple of videos that these guys, and again, it was like, I didn't know really what all was going on. He, like, we made transfusions together.

So these guys have this footage of me and Jolikava making transfusions together. So I assume they're going to put that out at some point. Probably the best tasting transfusion of all time. Ever. So, and again, he was just, I wasn't sure if it's like, is this all like stage? Is he like, I'm doing this just because it's an obligation? No, he's just like super chill. He's kind of chirpering me about my transfusion.

I put a little bit too much grape in it. He was like, it's like a pretty grapy transfusion. Oh, wow. Thank you, Joe. How many, do you think Joe is a transfusion guy? He knew the ingredients, 100%. He knew it without. So they were like, Joe, do you mind making transfusions with rigs?

We think that's kind of one of his big things. And he was like, yeah, no problem. They were like, all right, do you know what's in it and all that? He's like, oh, yeah, it's like vodka, ginger ale and like probably just a splash of grape or something. I was like, that's exactly. Joe, you nailed it. That's exactly what it is. And honestly, all I want to do is, like, talk Rangers hockey.

Yeah. Sorry, Frankie. Yikes. And, like, Giants football. But even more Rangers hockey. Once you realize I'm kind of a hockey guy, I know Visi a little bit from college and stuff, that's all I want to do is talk Rangers hockey. He's just obsessed. So, anyway, Mattiola Gava couldn't believe that I, it just, it was stunning.

Did you talk about, like, the force? Tell us about the force. He said, he did say, he goes, honestly, we wish more than anything that next week was Torrey Pines because I have every part of me believes we would win if it were Tori Pines. Oh. Did you feel Tiger through him, though? When you talk about Joe, you interacting with Joe, I feel like I interact with. with Joe. It was also, it was everyone that was in the room was clearly, like, if you went, if you decided to go to this event, that means Joe Lacaava was an attraction to you for a reason.

So everyone could sense the force of Tiger through Joe. It's incredible. What a dollar he has? The food I was eating was like, it had a hint of, you know how like you get radiation boise? We got like tiger radiation bump. Everyone's like feeling great about themselves. Feeling really skilled and talented. They put this put out there.

You nailed that. I saw the video. You nailed that. I saw the video. foot put on the concrete basically everyone's draining it because it's like joel lakov is reading it the force of tigers here it was amazing uh it was obviously amazing everyone out there's probably thinking like yeah i would love to get joelik on the podcast but i'm not going to meet him at this bar to be like you gotta come on a podcast you got to come up a podcast you got to come up a podcast

handcuff and bring him to the studio right so we'll see what happens but uh but anyways he was just he was the nicest guy he's as nice a guy as you could possibly meet incredibly down to earth guys were even like guys were asking questions like yeah what's it what's it like kind of no Tiger a little bit, like, how much do you guys talk? And he's like, Tiger text me every single day. And he's like, Tiger's just the most normal guy in the world who just happens to Tiger Woods. That's basically what he said.

He was like Tiger, like, every time something bad happens to the Giants game, Tiger, just text me and chirps me about it. Like, oh, NYG looked great this year. That's just how they're just buddies that do that. I just got, I just got imagery of what text message would look like from Tiger Woods. Like, you think he just has it? You think there's emojis in it?

Tiger. You just think, like, his phone and just says Tiger on it? There was also, there was a. That is strange to say about us. Yeah, there was a force feeling in that, like, messages from Tiger himself could be transported directly to the guy next to me's phone. That's insane. Like, if Tiger had a thought on his mind and he wanted to send a message to the guy right next to me, which he does on occasion pretty frequently, he just could. And that could just, that message could go, like, through my body to Joe Lakava's phone.

It was crazy. What an experience. He was awesome. He was the man. Again, I would love more than anything to, you know, try to get him on the show, whatever. massage that relationship. We're getting closer and closer. But Joel Likava couldn't possibly say

nicer things about the guy. He's the man. Okay. We've got some headlines to get to. Then we're going to do a bunch of from the gallery stuff. We had a bunch of good from the gallery submissions. So we're going to get to all that stuff. USGA, our close personal friend, and the RNA,

they published the official new rules. These are going to go up. January 1st. These are kind of the relaxed rules of golf. You remember, it's been this long. It was March of 2017 that they proposed. I feel we talked about that like three years ago, it feels like. It's been so long.

Really? I feel like we talked about it like a month ago. Really? It feels long to me. Like, I feel like they were going to put them in and then they, they were like, all right, we're going to do this then. And that feels like two years ago.

Well, they did the whole, you know, we're going to, we're going to propose this and we're just going to absorb the feedback and then decide how to proceed from there. This line right here made me laugh out loud. It says the change is more than 30 and all were originally announced on March 17. The USJNRA received more than 30,000 pieces of feedback. What do you think they consider a piece of feedback? Like a tweet? What was the number on that?

30,000. They said they received more than 30,000 pieces of feedback. Whoever wrote that line, like, who did he get that information from? Like, hey, man, we need a liner here to put out. How much feedback you think we get? He just, like, takes his headphones out. He goes, about 30,000. Like, that's like, I mean, listen, I'm the first person to admit that I'm not the best person at ballparking numbers.

I'm just not good at it. You're terrible. You're honest, Frank. You're one of the worst. Yeah. I could be the worst. ballparker in the world. 30 feet tall ceiling?

You thought a studio where you were in one time was like a skyscraper. Yeah. You're like, I was like, well, these, these, these ceilings are clearly 40 feet tall. And you're like, that's a four-story building in Manhattan. So that was a low point of my life. But I was thinking about this over the weekend, too. I think I said something even stupider when I was driving on a highway this week, this week with my friends.

I'm like, oh, yeah, that place is only 25 miles away. And they're like, it's not even close. Like Yankee Stadium is 25 miles away. We're going down the block. So I'm just not a good ballparker, and I think this person, whoever said 30,000 tweets or pieces of it. I will say 25 miles is a vastly different, real-time difference, depending on where you are in the car.

Like 25 miles. 25 miles in St. Louis, that's like a 25-minute drive. Right. In New York, it's a six-hour drive. That's honestly a day trip. So when I said 25 miles, they pulled over inside the road, they all looked at me. They're like, bro, we're going to a town over. So the fact that someone came up with 30,000 pieces of feedback,

that could be a Frankie number, that could be a real number. That's just, when I saw that, I guess. Although, us go, what are they talking about? We like to tweak stuff that people said. We love the rules. I would say it's probably higher than 30,000, because any time we put out any golf content, they're like, no, this is how this should be going.

I think you're right. But again, I was just flabbergasted. Like, what do you actually consider a piece of feedback? If, like, fucking at Joe Smith, 1, 2, 3,4 was like, love the new rules. Is that a piece of feedback? That's a piece of feedback. Tally it.

Tally it. Big old Tally. on the wall at the USGA. They're like, all right, we're at 29,997. So anyways, let's go through a handful of kind of the highlights. The first one, this is kind of the one people we're talking about most, which is the new OB rule. This is the local rule for OB. So the new rule is like this. Okay, everybody knows when you hit one, when you hit one out of bounds now, or you hit one into some fescue and it's a lost ball, right? I guess that's technically different. When you hit one out of bounds, you hit one, you see white stakes, you hit one out of bounds, you got a replay from where

your last shot was. So you're standing on the same. You're standing on the the T, hit 1 OB, put another one on the T, you're hitting 3. So if you hit your third one out into the fairway, now you're lying three, you're hitting four, and you're in the fairway, that's how it works. The new rule is you can take two penalty strokes, okay? You go to the estimated point where you believe it went OB, you draw a straight line to the edge of the fairway within like a couple club lengths into the edge of the fairway, and then that zone, no closer to the hole, okay?

So that like triangle, if you will, from the new point in the fairway to where it went OB all the way back to like the T is like this zone where you can drop the ball now. And you take two penalty strokes. So one in, two, three penalty strokes, you're hitting your fourth. So it's the same deal as if you went back to the T and then hit your drive out to wherever you drop it. Okay. So when I read this at first, the way you just explained it is so much more clear. I thought that you could just go to the edge of the fairway and drop it.

I'm like, this is an incredible rule. I'm going to be hitting it out of bounds all the time. You can, but you take two stroke penalty. Like you can go to the edge of the fairway and drop in the fairway. Oh, because that's the corner of the zone. That's the top left corner. Oh, the triangle. If you want to be right, that would be the top left corner of your triangle.

Got it. Would be that little sliver of fairway. You can drop it anywhere inside that triangle. Yes. So there's no rules on like it has to be the same type of grass. No. They're like letting you drop in the fairway. Wow.

Yeah. Like within it, I think you go to like two club lengths into the fairway and drop or you can drop in the rough if you want like whatever. But it can't be any closer. So you draw like this straight line. I watch all these videos online. You should see me. I was like, all right, Riggs. Get it right.

It's like the Bermuda Triangle videos. Yeah, exactly. I love this rule. It's great. I think it's great because, you know, for a local rule, I think the average golfer does this anyway, and it just solidifies, like, moving the pace going forward. You don't have to, you hit it out of bounds. You're hitting four, most likely, like, on a part four, you just shanked one into the houses. You don't want to have to re-tee it up.

Everyone in your group's pissed off. You're playing a seven-hour round anyway. Everyone's getting drunk. It's like, go drop out in the fairway. Go do it. Now, like, you're allowed to. And that's just a better feeling for the golfer. It's a better rule.

I'm all in on this. Yeah, the technicality is that like if you hit a provisional, then you can't do this. So people, it is, what it's going to prevent and really help is the whole idea where you hit one. You're like, I think that went pretty far right. Not sure what's up there. You get up there. It's out of bounds. And then it's like, do I go back to the T?

Do you guys mind if I just drop one? Is that cool? Because I don't want to hold everybody up. So it just avoids that. And it's like, no, dude, you can just drop up here now. So, got to like the new OB rule. There's a bunch more. Players will now be able to repair any damage on the greens, including spike marks.

I got to be honest, I didn't know you couldn't do that in the first place. Really? No. Like, so if I'm walking around the green, I can't, and I see a huge spike mark in front of my putt, I can't go. No, if it's a ballmark, you can fix it. If it's a spike mark, you cannot fix it. Huh. Which is dumb.

There's probably reason that's just very dumb. That is a very dumb. Yeah, and it's stupid. You see guys bitch about it on. tour all time where, and you probably thought all the time, like, oh, I bet he wish you would have just fix that before when the ball bounces off line or something. You can't fix a spike mark. Wow. So if you have, right, so like, if somebody hits like a wedge into the green, pitch mark in front of your ball, you can fix that. But if that mark was clearly made from

somebody spikes on the green, you cannot fix that. That's very interesting. Every time I've seen a guy, like, scour the green and he looks down and he just like, it's always just ball marks. Yeah, it can't be a spike mark. Wow. Interesting. Which again, this is one of those rules like in competitive golf, it definitely affects people. I will say, like, if you're out there with your buddies, if you've been out there for the last 100 years of golf and you're playing two-on-two with your buddies, and you're like, that's illegal,

you cannot fix that spike mark. Like, you're an asshole. If someone ever, ever shouted me out for fixing a spike mark, right? Listen, I'm the first person to get mad. I mean, we all know that I got mad at a good, good, right? Like, I just didn't know the rule.

If someone, like, I would look up at that, look up at them, be like, what's wrong with you? What's wrong? You have a problem. What's wrong with you? Why are you like this? Why are you a person that's like this? And stop wearing spikes around.

Like, like get with the get, I mean. Yeah, I mean like the rubber spikes make marks too. Like, it's not just like these intense metal spikes. I'm thinking of like metal spikes when I played baseball. Well, you also, anytime you have soft greens, like spikes just make a bunch of marks. People like, especially around the hole within 10 feet of the hole because every group that comes through there is a ton of traffic. You get a lot of spike marks and all that stuff. Anyways, you can fix these now, which is good.

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Yeah. It doesn't really do too much for me. I think it makes the drop a little bit less more predictable. Yes. Yeah. Right? Because the shoulder drop, you're coming to a more velocity. The bounce is bigger and therefore it could end up in more places.

whereas if you can drop from knee high you can sort of control it a bit more and therefore in theory like if you pick a nice patch of grass in the drop zone to drop it or with it whatever then you're more likely to get that. Jordan Spath.

I feel like he's always having issues with the drops. I think so? Yeah, I've seen multiple times where he's like I always feel like he's manipulating the way the drop is when he's like in a position like that. I've often seen him drop it and then he looks at the guy like, well see it's still rolling. Yeah, I agree that.

He's often been that guy where he's by something that just like it's a slope and he just, he pushes it down the slope. He's a shitty dropper of the ball. He's a really bad. He's a really good dropper of the ball is Tiger. Tiger's great. Every time I see Tiger drop it, it's a perfect lot. I don't know. He flush that shit.

And then you got to love the announcers too because every time these guys, they're like, you know, might sound stupid, but these guys practice these types of things that they like talk about. I don't know, dude. I think they do. I do not think Tiger Woods is it at the range, like practice and drop it up. Well, no. Like never once have we seen like a video of a guy warming up and he's just. over there like maybe not practice that would be unbelievable that would be unreal that would be a Bryson right

I was just after saying Bryson absolutely practicing dropping Bryson 100% like goes in a lab maybe they don't practice but they they know certain drops they know what they're doing I think they have strategies if that's a better way of putting it totally yeah yeah no definitely I mean and it's dumb like you see

I've seen a bunch of people that I play with and stuff that get lazy on the drop because you're frustrated because you're dropping you clearly just hit a dog shoot shot you're frustrated the guy makes like just kind of like Oh, the drops don't drop it, and then they didn't even look down there in, like, a hole, basically. Yeah. So, clearly the tour guys don't do that. They, like, observe all the area and figure out the best spot within the two club length area or the drops or the drops or the drop zone to drop it.

But I don't know that guys are out there. Like, I could see Patrick Harrington practicing his drops. I could see Bryson DeChambo practicing his drops, stuff like that, which, again, of that video surface of Bryson practicing his drops. How would you feel? I would love that. Okay. That's on Brett. That's like this guy is he's not going to leave anything to chance.

The difference between Bryson and Tiger. Now, if Tiger does do this, I think Tiger had, I think the ground and the grass react to Tiger's drop. I think that he is like Moana in the movie Moana. Yeah. I watched Moana this weekend first time. Yeah. Isn't that weird how shit like that happened? That was wild.

Like, Moana's been out for years. How about when she just parts the sea like that there at the end and takes down the fire guy? The part of Moana that I hated was that she just kept getting bailed out by the ocean. Like, it was a cheat coat. But that's what I'm trying to say about Tiger. I think the ground fluffed up the ball. I think the ground. She wasn't, like, doing anything special.

She just was like... Every time she fell in the water and it kicked her back onto the boat, I was furious watching it. Yeah, also when she was down there first with the crab guy, like, all those, every time she was about to get eaten, another fish would just eat the thing. Like, that's not, she didn't do anything impressive. They just, like, she got lucky, like, 12 times in a row. Anybody who is, like, Moana, the person is, like, spectacular and awesome and she did a great job. She had so much help that is on.

She's just the luckiest, probably the luckiest, like, superhero or whatever. or like cartoon person of all time. She's a system quarterback in the whatever that she was trying to do. Which if that's what they're pitching, fine. But I don't want all this. Like, Moana's like one of my favorite heroes. She's not, she's a joke compared to some of these other people. A joke.

Agreed. Her talents and skills and stuff are a joke. She has courage. She has courage. Oh, I left the island. Everybody has courage that are in, like, every character ever has courage. Now you're supposed to go above and beyond the next level and, like, It's a Disney movie.

She disrespected her family, and she went out to this ocean, and she didn't know that the ocean was, like, one with her until. But what she was there, she was a joke compared to these other, like, a lot of these other characters. She did respect her family and everything turned out great. Is that the message they want? She helped the Rock's character become this guy that everyone in the world needed. She used her strength, which was, like, communicating and having courage and showing him that he needed to come back. That song she sings, how far out go. She's just singing songs, though.

Look, look. Oh, my God, I have the chills. Look I thought like the only cool thing she did Is when she parted the sea like Moses That was pretty sweet I was pretty jacked up about that She falls out of the boat

The fucking water pushes her right back in That's just the water doing what I hate most about The first strength It's not her strength That's the ocean strength saying like Like she fumbled the ball And like her running back picked it up And ran in the end zone

And she's getting credit for like Storming down the field And winning the Super Bowl Like what are you talking about? Listen anyways What are we talking about Well that I said that that's what the floor, the grass does. When Tiger drops a ball, I agree with that. I see like hands come out of

the grass and they just fluff up the ball. The earth like reconforms to wherever Tiger is one with the earth. Don't disagree with that. I'm a huge fan of that. Next one, caddies are not allowed to line up players before they hit shots. I feel like you see this a lot more on the LPGA tour. Very much so. You do on the PGA tour for whatever reason. Isn't that like a weird phenomenon that like that catches on the LPGA tour but not in the PGA tour? I feel like did like Kevin Nod do this for a while? Do you know what to talk? Where they run in there. Have you seen this move?

Where the guy's like, he's like literally addresses the ball, lines up. He might even do like a Ricky like waggle thing and then right the split second before he hits the ball. Caddy runs off to the side. This happens like the LBGA door. LBG happens a lot. Yeah. Now that you made the visual, I've seen that. I don't think I've just like scurry off the side.

And I always think like doesn't that distract the player? Yeah. I feel like men are more like I can do it myself. I guess. It's like a DIY thing. Like I can do it myself. It's a very bizarre thing. I would love to get lined up.

That's one of my problems. I mean, I have many problems when I play, but I'm never lined up correctly. I would love to have a caddy just come up behind me and then scurry away. I love that. I love the belief that an amateur golf, the number one mistake people make

during a round of golf is their alignment. We all do it. Yeah. Like when I watch some videos of people, I'm aimed like into the right out of mountain stakes. There's never a worse feeling than when you stripe a ball and you know that you hit it right. It even has a little bit of a draw,

and it's just right for me. Yeah, because you're a lefty. Yeah. You do have to preface everything you say with your left ear. I know. You start talking about these draws and everyone out there listening is going to be all discombobbery. I know. So, like, I'll just, I'll hit a perfect shot and then I'm just like way right.

And I'm like, what the fuck just happened? I just striped that thing in a OB. And everyone's like, dude, you were just facing the house. I turn around. I'm like, why didn't anyone help me? It's true. But you can't. You can't help someone.

It feels like you're so square and then you look and you're aimed like 60 yards off. Putting two. I agree. So anyways, you can't do that now. Caddy's not allowed to line up players before shots. the flag no longer needs to be removed from the hole for putts on the green. This is bizarre. I don't like it.

I don't either. Call me crazy. I don't like it. And here's why I don't like it. Because anyone who is not adhering to this rule, like, who cares? They're just playing like a speed round anyways. Like, the only time I could think about this positively affecting my round of golf would be like if I'm out playing by myself. Right.

And I've got like a 15 footer. I don't want to like walk up to the hole, take the pin out, then walk back to my ball. put it. But then again, I'm playing about myself, so I'm not going to call myself for that penalty anyway. It does seem that they were like trying to speed things up and this one they got a little too like fine with it. This is going to create a couple of arguments on the golf course. Like I could just see. Imagine like rigs. Like you're putting and I just like on my putt I want it to be in. I'd just drive you nuts. That would, I would be so upset. It would drive you nuts. Like I'm lining up a five foot bottom. I'm like, can you please put that

pin in? That would, I would lose my line. No joke. I would be like, I'm not playing with you. What do you mean? Put the pin in. It's like, bro, it's the rules. So if I had a 10 footer and like, I hit my putt and then you're like, hey, can you put that back in for my 5-footer? And then dig it out. The catty's all over the hole.

You're like, just get the fuck away from the hole, please. It's like, well, no, man, it's the rules. He's allowed to have the... That's just going to be a weird look. Like, imagine on tour even you watch, like, somebody's got, like, even if they hit one... I guess this also helps with really long putts that don't have to be tended to. You don't have to wait for, like, a caddy or a guy to get up there. Like if everyone's looking for their ball somewhere else

And like if you want to speed up the round of golf I no doubt believe that it's better for golf overall But it's just weird That's all I'm gonna say If anyone does what I just said that scenario Then you're an asshole Yes, I agree There is no longer a penalty for an accidental double hit

TC Chendit. That is huge for me Big time. Frankie Remember who you did it at the Titleist thing too? I did it at the Titleist thing I do it all the time We did it at Beth Page In the sand

In the sand I couldn't get it out of the fucking sand trent I must have hacked at this thing seven times at the very end. I'm like, I'm done. You said, can you guys tell me I can stop playing, please? Like, he wanted us to just be like, that's good for Frankie, pick it up. And I hit the final one. It went up in the air, and then on my follow-through, it went straight back towards the next

T. I'm like, I'm done. It was such an epitome of, like, how the chipping was going for Frankie that day, that he just double hit his own ball. Because honestly, who does this? An accidental double hit is not, you're never doing this out of stride. You're never like, oh, I'm going to get them. I'm going to hit this ball in the air.

and then I'm going to smack it while it's in the air, and I'm going to get it right where I needed to go. It's like, it's just an accident. Something crazy happened from the time you hit the ball or the time you release the ball off the club. And it's already a bad shot, right? Because you don't ever hit it, double hit it, and it's like goes where you're trying to forward to go. If your ball hasn't moved past your swing plane yet, it's not going anywhere. Right. And like you said, it's clearly like a completely accidental thing.

Correct. That happens after the strike. So really you shouldn't be penalized for that. now you won't be. That was just a handful that we kind of, you know, whatever, singled out. The Golf Channel synopsis of this was new procedures for dropping the ball when taking relief, elimination, reduction of several penalties, relaxed putting, and bunker rules. These are all rules that encourage improved pace of play.

So that's kind of the general synopsis is like improving pace of play. Good. I like it. I think these are all very, very good things from our close personal friend, USGA and slash RNA. So, good stuff. Sang-moon Bay. I got to bring this up really quickly. What a name.

Did his two years... Remember, you remember, it feels like forever ago? Remember he had to do is two years of mandatory military service in South Korea? He had already been on the PGA tour. Yes. He had won a bunch of money and all that. He, I believe, applied for, like, an exemption so that he wouldn't have to go do military service. Like, hey, I'm this famous South Korean athlete over in America now.

I'm making all this money. You know, it's good for the country. It's good for South Koreans everywhere, blah, blah, blah. They were like, no, go fuck yourself. You're in the military. So he left. He had to go to two years of military service. That's insane. Comes back. Came back this year on the PGA tour.

You know, tried to obviously get his card through the tour, but just was, you know, very understandably so. His game just wasn't sharp. He wasn't getting it done. Had to go through web.com. And he wins. So he won the Albertson's Boise Open on Sunday, which is, of course, part of the web.com tour finals to regain his PGA tour card. buried the final hole for at one stroke win he's going to return for the PGA tour blah blah blah awesome stuff

What a boss? It's awesome. That is so bad. It's very cool to go away for two years and then win again. What if this is like Ted Williams shit? Yeah. It is. It's very, very cool.

What if he's just not gone? Like, I realize there's many things that you, there would be like backlash if he just didn't do the military service. What if you just stayed in America? I'm not doing it. I don't know. South Korea, dude. Like, they might have kidnapped his family or something.

Yeah, true. You know what I mean? There's some repercussions there. Or they public. shamed his family or something like the fact that they forced him to do this means that you don't fuck with them true like the fact that he went like he we all know like what would have happened right yeah what's said what if like you know what if you were playing golf over on the european tour and in america was like you have no you have to do two years of military service would you be like

fuck yourself USA no no so but it's just that's got to be a tough decision because two years and then he comes back and he got the win that's good i don't even think it was i just don't even think it was not a decision this is just what you have to do yeah you know especially Especially those places, like I said, they grew up with all this loyalty and pride. Yeah, I know. That's what I mean. Like, he would never, the guilt would be way too much. So anyway, Sang Moon Bay.

Really, very, very cool story. Hope he has an awesome season. Next season. LPGA on the Lady Golf, we had Angela Stanford won her first major. So she's 40 years old. She's had a bunch of chances. She's been a stalwart on the Solheim Cup, which Solheim Cup, which Solheim Cup, for him that doesn't remember is, of course, the women's version of the Ryder Cup.

Last year, our girl, Danielle Kang, was going crazy at the Solheim Cup. Angela Stanford's always a huge fixture there, but was kind of one of this girls on the LPGA tour, one of these women who just could never quite get that major championship. I believe she has like five wins on the LPGA tour. Again, she had a bunch of close calls, 40 years old, gets the win at the Evian yesterday in crazy fashion. So I wasn't watching this in real time, but I went back. So I saw some Twitter action. People were pumped for her getting the win. So I went back and looked at the highlights.

And this was like, she eagled 15, doubled 16, birdied 17, then missed, somehow missed, like barely rimmed out a birdie putt on 18 and was like in tears basically because she was like, I guess she kind of has this history of blowing major championships or whatever. So she's like, I blew it again. Like I'm never going to do it. And then the girl that was in the lead had like a one stroke lead coming at 18. She doubled 18 to finish one back. and then two other lady golfers had birdie putts, like 20 footers on 18 to get into a playoff. They both missed. I got to start watching one lady go.

This is insane. Lady, I'm so upset that I missed it. Riggs has been on this for years. I know you have. The action of these tournaments is unbelievable. It's a roller coaster. What was the Alexi Thompson one last year? Oh, yeah.

Was the, what was that, like the Kraft of Missco or one of those where she got like the four-stroke penalty that they told her about halfway through her final round about the previous day? The drama. She was crying, making birdies goes into a playoff, lost that one in a playoff. Is she ever going to recover? It's electric. So anyways, I had to talk about the updates from the women's golf LPGA. That was their final major.

They do five majors, which is incredibly dumb. They need to do four majors, in my opinion. I wanted to throw in a wogie, wogie, wogie after you said it's electric. You should have. That's a big miss. That was a big miss. I didn't find a second. Tour championship is, of course, this weekend.

Eastlake. So we've got Bryson's number one. Rose is number two, Tony Fienow's number three, DJ's number four, Justin Thomas is number five. Any one of those five guys win this week, it's an automatic lockup that they win the FedEx Cup. They win the $10 million, all that good stuff. You know, I feel like this tournament's very unpredictable. We've had a lot of different guys from different sort of rankings or stages or whatever going into the FedEx Cup have won this thing. Tigers won it twice, and like both times he was kind of a lock going in.

VJ Singh. I remember when he like, he, when they hadn't fixed the point system yet, VJ Singh only had to do was like, hit his first tee shot at Eastlake and he won the FedEx Cup. So then we also had, remember Bill Haas,

hit the ball out of the water when on 17 at East Lake. You remember that? Yep. We had Brandt Snetiker won it one year, Billy Horshaw won at one year. Then we've also had guys like Rory, JT. So we've had like kind of a mix of like the studs that you expect to win it

and a mix of guys who just make it to Eastlake and get hot and win at Eastlake and the math works out and they win it. So anything could happen. Xander Shoffley won here last year and they had like the two trophy presentation. That's why the tour now is starting to do their crazy theory of starting somebody 10 under par.

Unbelievable. Because they don't like the awkwardness of two different trophies. So all that's going into this week. Our guy Keegan is sixth. Reminder if you didn't listen on Thursday show from last week, we had Keegan on for like 40 minutes. Keegan Bradley, he's the man. He won the BMW.

So he's coming in in sixth place. If he wins, there's a very good chance that he could win the whole thing based on how the math plays the tough out. Brooks is number seven. Bubba's number eight. Billy Horstle's number nine. Cameron Smith's like a sneaky number 10. I don't know how he snuck up there real fast.

Yeah. Real random name to be in the top 10. I know. I was writing these down doing a little research, no big deal. I was like, holy shit, Cameron Smith is number 10. The fact that we have to write his full name just shows in this little thing that you sent this. I did think if I wrote Smith, nobody would know who the fuck I'm talking about. No, I'd be like, that could be anybody.

Yeah, literally anybody. Like Smith, you should make that up, Briggs? Are you going to be Cameron? We've been like, what is happening? Yeah, right. So Cameron's Scotty. What the fuck's going on? Phil's 14th, Rory 17th, Tiger is 20th.

He's won here twice, 1999 in 2007. Got to mention the awesome clip from, I believe it was 2002 of the audio on the first T that many of us have seen before, but their Tiger and Phil are playing together. and the starter of the first T announces Tiger and just decides to list like every tournament that he won, I guess, that year. And it's just Phil has to interrupt me. And be like, all right, all right.

Can we play golf? Ladies and gentlemen, your 1255 tea time from Windermere, Florida, winner of 34 PGA tour events, including the 2002

Masters Tournament, the U.S. Open, the Bay Hill Invitational The Buick Open The American Express World Golf Championship All right

All right A plus comedic timing From Phil Mickelson At the perfect time It's just like all right That's why I don't understand People that don't like Phil Because that's just such an awesome look

From Phil To chime in in that exact moment But anyways Tiger's scenario To win the whole thing is wild He's basically I mean he needs He needs Bryson Disham

to finish tied for 15th or worse. He needs Justin Rose to finish in a three-way tie for fifth or worse. He needs Tony Fienow to finish T-third or worse, and he needs DJ and J-T, both to finish a three-way tie for second or worse. And Keegan to finish T-second or worse. And win. Nothing to it. And he has to win. So that's it. All right. I was going to ask before, because I'm not really too sure about how this all works with who has the chance to win and stuff. Like going into this, is there, like, a definitive, like, the top five or top ten guys, like, have the best?

I mean, like, if you're in the top five and you win, you win, you win. You win. Okay, that's what I was asking. Like, there's definitive, like, if you're in the top five and you win, there's no, like, you don't need anyone. Okay, great. Top five, you win, you win, over. If you're, like, six, seventh, again, like, the math is, like, you're, it's pretty damn likely that you're, like, if you finish six, I think, like, Bryce and Deschambeau would have to finish, like,

solo a second or something crazy like that. But if you're in the top five, it's a lock, you're guaranteed to win. It is a very confusing thing. I have all kinds of graphics going. This is kind of the one thing where the FedEx Cup just doesn't work. It works that it gets everybody in the field for all these tournaments, and therefore it's exciting because you have the best fields. It doesn't work in the sense that, like, okay, if he makes this birdie,

now he jumps from T9 to T2 and it's like nobody. They haven't totally figured out how to stick the landing. No, they haven't. And they know it. Again, that's why they're floating. This guy's going to start the tournament at 10 of the part. which is just fucking crazy time. Imagine a scenario where Tiger wins,

everything falls perfectly in place, and then fucking Tony Fee now finishes in second since he's supposed to finish in Tide for third or worse. He's been finishing in second all year, thanks to our guy Colby over here. Colby would be betting his ass off. That's what I would see would be happening. Yep.

You're right. All seven scenarios, go Tigers away, wins the tournament, and then Fee now finishes second and wins the FedEx Cup. You son of a bitch. Okay. That's it for headlines. We're going to have much more on.

Thursday as we get closer to the to East Lake to the Tour Championship. We're a week away from the Ryder Cup, so we got a lot to talk about on that front as well next week. Let's get into some from the galleries. From the gallery is, as always, brought to you by Supreme Golf, the Supreme View of all T-T-T-Times. If you do not

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us with me. That's right. $69. Nice. In the Bronx. I love a lot of people talking, like, responding to that don't live in New York who don't understand. Like, dude, you can't do anything for under 70 bucks. Nope.

In New York, you can't do anything for under 70 bucks. We're able to just play golf right in the Bronx. It was lovely. Yeah. Like, getting breakfast is like $125 in the city. I went and looked at like one of my, we went to a couple different bars, like one of my bar tabs from Saturday. And I was like $94 bucks.

And I didn't even get anything, I don't think. I think I spend $70 a day in the city, just with everything. Generally. Just generally. We got to play a whole round of golf with a cart, all that for $69. Can't beat that. Thank you to Spring Golf. Office manager, Brett, got absolutely screwed on his whole-on-one.

Unbelievable. Oh, my God. I let out a gasp when I saw that video. I mean, he was legitimately, what, like five inches away from a hole-on-one? Less, way less, like incredibly less than that. I'm talking, I guarantee you his ball, like, rimmed across the end. edge of the cup going perfect. If you see where his ballmark was, so it had to hit and then bounce like at least six

inches or a foot forward and then spin a little bit back. And his ballmark was short right of the pin like maybe four inches. And then his ball was even closer to the hole and a little back left. So it clearly rolled right across the edge of the hole. Outrageous. And then the more I thought about it afterwards, I was like, yeah, I mean, office manager, Brett can't get a hole in one. No.

Like, the world would never just let that. Now, what was your guys reactions on the T? we thought it like as it was about how at when it reached its apex like we said like go in I mean it was right at the flag and then when it landed it was one of those where you always expect something to land like a little further away than it looks you know and it was so close like you could barely see the golf ball like because it the pin and the golf ball were like so close to each other you guys see the ball and then you're like off like you guys knew it didn't go in right we could see the ball the whole time all right but it was so unbelievably close you know that it looks like the bottom of the pin and the ball like the same thing right that it was so unbelievably close. So then we were getting up there and we're like, God, I hope it's not like one of those that's six feet away. And the closer we got, we just realized like, wait a second, how is, like, it might, we're like, it might fall in as we're walking up the green.

It's that close. It was unbelievable. Then, like I said, again, afterwards, like, there's no day that could exist where office manager Beck gets like celebrate all day and he had to get a hole in one. No. There's just no chance. That's impossible. Mother nature, like, would never let that happen.

And he knew it. Because afterwards, he's like, I'm never going to be anywhere near this getting a home on one ever. And I was like, yeah, I know you're not ever. That's it. And then we also, I got a shout out to Logan who just got crushed playing Wolf. So we only had three of us. And we were playing Wolf. Wolf is every, you know, every third hole.

It's a designated person. You have an order that goes last. You get to choose between the first two balls or you get to go alone. It's two dots. I'm sorry, it's one dot if you win as a team. You get three dots if you win going alone and you can denominate the dots to count for whatever. So we're doing $2 dots. Okay.

we get to 17 and we always do a rule where whoever's in last place on 17 and 18 you get to wager up to half of the difference between first and last place so there's a 10-doubt difference between myself and Logan he's like I'm going to wager 5 great he loses 17 still in last place now he's down 10 we're like hey you can now wager up to uh you know you can wager up to 10 dots so he does that a birdie also doubles in every time so office manager brett birdie's the 18th hole so Logan loses all of these dots on the last hole on the last two holes. He went from like, oh, he's in the last place,

but it's a pretty fun, close thing to, like, he just owed each of us like $70 or $80. He was like, this game fucking sucks. It's like, sorry, dude. Crushing. Sorry, Logan. So I was a bummer, and he did say, too, he's like, that was my second,

I think he was the second round of golf he got to play all here, because he moved up here in the spring to work with KFC and KFC radio. Yeah. And, like, didn't even have his clubs most of the part. He was using a borrowed lefty putter from the court.

and he just got crushed. How was the course, by the way? So I like the layout a lot. It was incredibly overgrown in every aspect. So, like, overhanging trees everywhere. Like, a couple par threes even where it's, like, a marshy, weedy area between the T-box and the green that is so overgrown, you, like, couldn't even see the green.

It was like, if they would just cut all that down, it would be a beautiful hole. And then also, like, the greens were just way too long and shaggy. And it was a six-hour round, at least. So those are my... I like the layout a lot. It was a fun course to play, actually. It was in decent enough shape, though. You could play it and have a legitimate match and make pots and stuff like that.

But the greens were very shaggy. It was unbelievably overgrown. It was cool in that it's like in the city. It's in the Bronx. There's like a highway next year on some of the T's. Like, I like that. Yeah. It's city golf.

But also it was just so goddamn slow. Luckily, they have an amazing little halfway house that you go by like four times. So you got a bunch of beers, a bunch of hot dogs and a grill. They had like a legitimate big-ass grill out there. Oh, I saw that picture. He can grill it up food and like burgers and dogs that were delicious. That's huge. So our weights on the tea were fine because like I said, we had a bunch of beers eating food, really good food.

So it was totally fine, but it wasn't the quickest round anybody's ever played. Okay. Let's get into a bunch of from the galleries. We've got a bunch of these and these are really good. First one's from Nate. He said, look, I haven't been the biggest golf guy for my whole life. I've gotten a lot more into it over the last year or so. I listen to the guy's show.

I hear all these terms about the Ryder Cup. Can you please just refresh me on what all the format is for the Rider Cup? Good question. So here's what the Rider Cup format is. It's just three days. A lot of people forget that. On Friday and Saturday, it's 36 holes. The morning session is four balls, okay?

Four ball means two on two, you both play your own ball. Whoever makes the best score is the one you take from your team. Okay, that's the one everybody plays with their buddies on the weekends. Afternoon session is foursums, foursums at alternate shop. Okay? Now, the first match starts at 8 a.m. local time, which means 6 a.m. here. Yikes.

France is six hours ahead. So, people got to realize that. That the first matches on both Friday and Saturday, they begin at 2.10 in the morning. Yeah. That is going to be tough. Now, there's no way of spending that. Right.

Like, if it's 4 a.m., that's a big difference than 2 a.m. Like, if it starts. So you guys most likely you'll catch this afternoon of both days. You know what I mean? Well, Saturday people will get up early because they don't, you know what I mean? People will be all excited that are really into it. But Friday, it's tough. Work day.

Get up at 2. Now, it is something that you've done for the British Open. Like, they tee off at like 1.30 a.m. The British Open, you get really excited about it. I mean, if you get off work, you go to bed at like 6 or 7, you get up at 1.30 and watch golf. Like, people do that. So people can do that for the Ryder Cup as well. And then Sunday singles, they start at 12.05 p.m. local time.

So 6 a.m. And there's 12 Sunday singles matches. I believe, excuse me, Europe needs 14 and a half points to take the cup back. USA needs just 14 points to retain. the cup. So that's all our Rider Cup stuff so everybody understands what the hell's going on, what to expect going into next week. Sean says, you guys talk about the bland

cookie cutter guys on tour all the time who make golf boring. Who do you think is the single most bland cookie cutter guy on the PGA tour? Why are you guys looking at me? Oh, I have my, an answer to mine right away. I wonder if we're going to have, everybody's going to have the same. Well, mine, mine's pretty, I mean, I think mine's pretty obvious. Okay. Matt Coocher. Okay.

he's just like that oh shucks nothing if he if he he hasn't hit the ball far he doesn't do anything ridiculous with his irons he's not hitting stingers he's not like he's not going out there hitting the ball 330 yards he's not like draining long putt he's sponsored by sketchers he's sponsored by sketchers he has that just like dad vibe to him where he's just going out there and he's he's just nails like right down the middle right onto the green two putt on your way if he does bad he's like oh shucks if he does good he turns a little red in the face and just like so red of the face he gets like he feels awkward when he when he does well like that's that's just the most cookie cutter guy I can think you know it's bizarre because I so I went

through the list of like the top 200 guys in the world golf rankings and I was looking at this yeah and when I came across coocher he stuck out as an option now I do think he has more to him because like the rider cup experiences when he was doing the um like the the will smith style handshake with Tiger that year in the writer cup you remember that what's the uh what's the show i can't think of it off top of my own fresh prince fresh prince fresh prince fresh prince handshake and all that he's always the ping pong guy at the rider cup that like dominates everybody in ping pong and all that that's such a coocher thing but again right like that's still like oh he's a really good racket sport guy like of course he grew up at a country club yeah so i mean i did see him uh drain that whole one

in augusta true you saw that and cooch yeah so i think like on the course i think you're right. He's just very bland cookie cutter, like, not very. Sponsor by Skechers is, sponsored by Skechers should come with an actual cookie cutter. Yes. Like, he should be, like, making cookies. Matt Coocher. Yeah. He should be making cookies, dipping him in milk and, like, getting ready for his own.

It is funny. That crossed my mind when I look to. I didn't, again, I, those other. That's the number one thing when I hear Matt Coochers. That's what I think about is Skechers. Like, I mean, good for his brand. He plays tennis and sketches and he also golfs on the weekend. And he's the type of guy who is sponsored by Skechers and loves sketches.

Yeah. And he wears a, uh, he wears a, uh, and he wears a sweater over his shoulder and ties it in front of his... Like you see Tiger, he remember he was sponsored by Buick. You're like, Tiger's not... Tiger doesn't do Buick's. But like Matt Coochard does Skechers. Yeah, I agree with that.

Trent Addy. I had Brent Snetiker. That was the first name. That name. That came to my mind. Part of it's the name. I think of Brant Seneca and I think of cottage cheese. And I don't know why.

What the fuck? But it's just, I think of something bland and boring and doesn't stick out. I picture him in a pink shirt. He's got... He cries sometimes. That's his only thing, kind of. Yeah. But I just picture Brant Snetter as the cookie cutter guy.

The second Brantznetter cried at that Masters when he kind of blew it on Sunday. My dad has hated him at first time. I remember you telling him. I say that. I probably mention every time we bring up his time. My dad, he just has a severe dislike for Brant Snetterker because he's like, he just thinks he's the biggest pussy in the world. And he did? He's got a 59, so that's like something interesting about him.

But other than that, I just see Brant Snetterker and I just think milk, I think cottage cheese. I just think very brilliant. I look very young, right? I look like a 12-year-old at times. And some may say I look like a female. male with my feminine features. You have a feminine feature. Yeah.

But Brent Senecker looks like a toddler. Like his face, like right here, this picture I'm looking at, he looks like a toddler that is in a full-grown. Yeah, he's a big overgrown toddler. He always looks like a toddler who is like about to laugh. And he's playing a practical joke that everybody knows about, but he's still like got a little smile on his thing. Yeah. Frankie's showing us pictures of this. This is a big old baby.

Yeah. Yeah. He does too. He's got kind of the Willie Wilcox hair. Yeah, you know. Yep. Yeah, I agree with that. Snetiker, so he was on my list, too.

He's 100% in this category of just kind of like boring, bland guys. A couple things about him. You're right, Trentette. He's got the 59. He also, what I like is that his idol was Tom Watson. So he plays like Tom Watson and plays very fast. Yep. It's kind of the emo about him, which I like.

So that's not a lot. It's not like a ton to work with it. He plays fast. He plays fast. He plays really fast. Don't blink. You'll miss Brent Snetta. He's just not bringing down, you know, people aren't hooping and hollering for Brent Snetter.

Yeah. So my answer, and I came to this pretty quickly, is Webb Simpson. I mean, if I turn it on TV and they cut to Webb Simpson, shot, I changed the channel. He's just... That's pretty good. He's just wallpaper. He's nothing. He just brings very little...

For a guy that's in the mix as much as Webb Simpson is? Yeah, I mean, he's won the U.S. Open. He won the players going away this year. Ample opportunity to get some personality. Get all that. I feel like he too, like he's 1-75 out and he's playing like a six hybrid or something into the green. You're like, Brantz, like, or Webb, come on, dude. Like, you're a top 15 or whatever player on planet Earth.

He thought he was so cool when he was at the Scottsdale and he was wearing, and he's wearing a Panthers jersey on the day. He's just like, I'm wearing a football jersey. Like, I'm cool. I'm Mr. Cool football and touch sports guys. So I don't dislike any of these guys. In fact, I like all three of the guys that we mentioned. Great guys.

You know, I don't have a root against them. They're just boring. They are the cookie cutter, bland, not a ton to them guy. I think there's more to Matt Coocher off the course that maybe gives him a little bump, but on the course, you're right. It's just like Cooch. People do the Cooch with him when he comes by. That's kind of cool. But outside of that is just, you know.

I think they do the Cooch just because he is that, like, run of the mill. It's like, there goes Cooch. And he's just walking by in his sketchers. Like, there's nothing exciting about him. He's just Cooch. And these guys might be doing this by design. Like some guys just being like low key and staying out of the spotlight and like not drawn much attention to themselves. I don't, I don't hate it.

But absolutely. And I, that's what Kiz said when I, because Kiz I thought was in this category before we got to know him. Where like before we had him on the pod and before I saw his video of him like getting banned from his club for racing golf cards drunk and stuff like that. Not drunk. He just drinking drive. But having beers and perhaps racing golf cars. I was like, yeah, that Kevin Kisner. Like when he's on top of leaderboard, he's just boring.

And I told that to Kis. He's like, yeah, that's my goal. I'm like trying to play golf boring and like even keel. so that you don't get too high, don't get too low, makes a lot of sense. So they probably, they probably don't mind this that much. Maybe their marketing team minds it. Maybe they're, you know, their agents probably like I wish he was a little bit more exciting. Give us anything, Webb.

I do. I do what to, and his name's Webb, like a spider web. Like, what is that? Webb Simpson. I do want to take a moment and thank both of you for not picking Zach Johnson because I really thought one of you's not cookie cutter at all. Okay. He's always in the mix with, you know, saying weird shit. Okay.

All right. I always thought one of you was going to take a cheap shot. I think it's a weirdo. Good point. That's a good point. because he did, it almost elevates him in the, in the intrigue category because his outrageous claim that they lost the golf course at the U.S. Open. That guy, a guy that says that the golf course has been lost. It's out of control.

He's out of control is not cookie cutter at all. He has an imagination. Okay, good. I appreciate it. He can paint a picture. Yes, he can. Lost control of course. He legitimately thinks that the course was out of control, that the bunkers were rising up to attack people.

I think those are all three good picks, though. Those are very cookie cutter guys. People can send, I'm sure we forgot, somebody's probably out there screaming, like, how can you possibly think those guys are more cookie cutter and bland than this guy? So send those to us. That's fine. We'll probably retweet. We'll probably miss some guys. Do you know what month it is, Trent, Eddie? It is September. September is also the National Life Insurance Awareness Month. Most people are not aware of that. Most people are not aware of that. Most people are not aware of that I had to look on my computer. That would have really sucked if I would put you on the spot like that. You didn't know. June. In fact, June would have been a wild guess. Yeah, true. In fact, most people are not aware. They need life insurance at all. That's why 40% of people do not. have it by getting life insurance doesn't need to be difficult or expensive right now. Prices are the lowest. They have been in 20 years.

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crack a beer open from my bag. It was my first season ever as a member, so I'm not really sure if that's frowned upon in the golf private country club community. Now look, the three of us have never really belonged to country clubs. I had like a junior membership to a semi-private club in Boston, so like that was way more kosher. We brought our own beers all the time. I do think that it's probably frowned upon at most clubs. We're pretty common men here, so I don't mind it at all. Right. But I do, like, I guess if you want our answer to be based on, like, what the general country club

community would say. They would be upset. They would be very upset at this. I don't give a shit at all. Because the reason, from my standpoint, is, like, if you're asking me, I'm going to say crush beers all day, it's just going to be like, it's just in your bag. First of all, it's going to be heavier for the caddy if you're getting caddies, too, if you just have a ton of fucking beer in your bag and you're bringing them on the golf course.

which is kind of like a weird move. And number two, the guy that I used to caddy for, like, that type of player, if he sees you, like, reach into your bag grabbing bud lights, he's going to be like, I mean, you're spending this much to belong to this club. You can't just, like, buy it at the halfway house. So I think a big part of it, too, becomes like, well, how much, how invested are you in into your own club? Right. Right.

Because a lot of it becomes, like, you want to take your family up there to get dinner because you want to give back to the club or you want to commit to the club. And, like, therefore, if your beers are seven bucks at the club, but you can get a, a 30 rack for like 20 bucks. It's like just buy the $7 hour beers because you're a country club guy. You like your club. That's like your spot.

It's like bringing a water bottle into a restaurant or like or bringing your own drink into it's like well why don't you just like give the money to the place that you're at? I know it's the same thing but like come in and get it right. You're here for a reason. You're spending money and you're it's a you know it's an expense. It's extra stuff that you're supposed to be doing. You are. You're sacrificing like you're sacrificing kind of your reputation as like this

a guy that's all in on this club. for like saving some money on Budlights or whatever. Right. And if it belonged to a country club, there is no saving money. In theory, correct. You're just, you're pretty committed at that point. You're spending fucking money on, like, kind of a, kind of a dumb decision financially. The country club is just a dumb move financially for almost everybody.

100%. But you do it because, like, you love the golf. You love being a part of the crew. You like to go hang out there and meet people and, like, network and all that. It depends on the type of country club, too, because, right, like you were just saying, if it's the one that you used to belong to, it doesn't matter. but if this is a really, like, you know. Snooty?

Yeah, that was, I don't even think it has to be really snooty. I think just, like, most country clubs would be like, dude, you got out of your car, you got out of your, like, sedan. Snooty. That wasn't the word. Snooty. That wasn't the word. Snooty? That's like, that's like, me.

What's the one that the high, the high, um, high and mighty? Snobby. Snobby. Snobby. High-nosed. Looking down, no. Snooty means showing disapproval or contempt towards others, especially those considered to belong to a lower social class. Snooty is the word you want.

You fucking nailed it. That's just according to Google. I was thinking it like that, huh, see? What was I saying? It's like highbrow. Highbrow is the word, yeah? Condescending?

Well, yeah, where you tip your nose real high and then look down purposely. You know what I'm saying? Your eyes are barely open. He's got a 30 at Keystone light. We don't like that. That's what I was thinking, yeah. Keystone.

We don't find those here. Oh, yeah, I guess I don't have keystone out here. Please go grab my champagne. Bottom line, I think it's a greaser move, yes. I like snooty Frankie. It's probably considered a greaser move. Greaser. I've never heard greaser either.

He's Canadian. I think of the movie. I'm not saying it's a Canadian thing? I'm not saying he's Canadian. And he sent me that. Hey, bud, it's a real greaser move. Hey, you're a real greaser, hey there, buddy? Jack says, are indoor putting mats worth it?

Yes, I've had an indoor putting mat forever. I recently bought one. It's great. It's awesome. It's just a great way to watch TV and kill time. Yeah. You just put her out. and also hear it from the source himself, Hank Haney,

when he used to tweet all time, people asked him for advice all the time. They would always say, hey, I live in a wintry climate, or I'm sorry, like a bad wintery climate where it's cold. I can't get out and play golf. What's the best thing I can do to work on my game? He would say, practice three foot putts.

Just do it. And you ingrain like this muscle memory of just burying like three, four, five, six foot putts. So get the putty mat. We have one. We use it all time. We get drunk. We do like we bet on it all the time. It's awesome.

That's a great time. I got one for like $40 on Amazon. I'm moving into a new apartment, two weeks, three buddies. We got to get one. Have to. Have to get one. I would order one in Amazon right now if I'm so it's ready for the move in. And we need to get one in the new office.

That's something we need to talk about office manager. Oh, you're right. We've got to get some sort of putting green. My buddy, who's a Canadian, who probably says greaser, he has one. He has an office a couple blocks away, and they have an awesome fucking putting green in their office. It's huge. They go. They, they'll all be there.

They'll all be hitting putts. And everybody can put. Everyone. Right, you could be a 40 handicap that you can putt. Like you could grab, you know, you meet some like some girls that become buddies or you go back and have like a co-ed putting putting match and everybody can putt. Plus like getting guests in, like who can nail this five foot putt. That'd be great.

Brett, if you're listening, I know you're not, but I'm going to go talk to you right now when I'm out there. We're getting a putting green. Smart move. We got to get a putting green. So yes, it's worth it. Get yourself a putting green. Kyle told a great story about, so this story is about his, like, like,

make sure I get this right. So which guy is it? Joe asked me if I had seen Joe. Joe is his cousin. Okay. So Kyle's cousin Joe is that guy who never puts the flag stick back in when you leave the green. Everybody's got one of those guys. Never. Yeah.

Like he could, you know, like he could be the first guy to finish out putting and he just walks off the green and doesn't pick up the flag ever. He could be the closest one to it at the end of the hole. It's on the floor right next to his foot. He'll step right over it. He's like, I'm out of it. Which is an interesting guy. I don't know if we've ever talked about that guy, but that guy definitely exists. So he says that they're playing with, he's playing with his grandfather who's 80 years old,

his cousin Joe's 16, and himself, Kyle's 18. And they're out there playing, and he says essentially at one point, his grandfather notices this. They sort of talk about it behind his cousin Joe's back. He says we're on whole 15 at this point. We approach the green. My grandfather takes the flag out, sets it on the ground. And the following conversation goes, Grandpa,

Hey, Joe, how much do you think the flag ways? Joe, I have no idea. How am I supposed to know, grandpa? Well, if you picked up the damn thing every once in a while, you'd probably have a pretty good guess. Boom, roasted. Huge Grandpa joke right there to just bury Joe. I love how it was so, like, premeditated too,

that he, like, he went to Kyle to Grandpa and he's like, man, have you seen Joe, like pick up that thing? Like, he had his eye on this the entire day. Like, how can we bury Joe for never picking up the flags thing? Grandpa was like, I got this. All time Grandpa joked. joke that like if this was like your buddy who's 21 years old who said this joke it doesn't land no the fact that it's your 80 year old grandpa pulled this it's a 20 out of 10 joke it's probably

the only like actual competent thing the grandpa said like all day he's probably just been waiting for it he probably was not playing that well i don't know how well an 80 year old grandfather can play golf but he's probably just keeping it straight hitting it short and he's just making sure the rules of golf are being you know oh yeah he's playing up to he's playing grandpa golf no problem he hits every drive like 170 right down the middle of fairway he made He puts really well, lights out, and makes, probably shoots like 88 every time he plays. And then he went on to say that was the day my 16-year-old cousin got put in a body bag by Ariel. He also replaced the flag on every single hole after that for years.

I'm so opposite of this guy. I'll like, well, sometimes I'll just forget to get the flag. But then like I'll always have it like pop up into my conscience. I'm like, oh, shit, everyone's probably looking at me. Like, I'm very conscious of if I should be getting the flag. And also other people's wedges and putters and stuff. Anything that's on the ground. I love giving that to people.

I love that little thank you. Like, thanks, especially if they miss the put. It's like, hey, man, here's a little pick me up. You don't have to bend down and grab your club. Yeah, I'm almost, I don't know. I'm like a surveyor of the green after we leave. Like, I don't like our group to leave anything on the green. Right.

I just look around. Now, here's my other problem. I'm a guy who gives other people their clubs, but I often forget my clubs. I don't know what that says about me. I think it's just I'm an idiot. Well, do the, this is my dad taught me when I was really young, is he always got to do the leave it. at least a portion of the club needs to be on the green. Oh, I was going to say, I thought you meant, like, leaning against a flag.

That's what I've been doing recently. Well, that's a good one, but I'm saying no matter where, always leave a portion of the club on the putting surface. Yeah. Because if you throw it in the rough, you can't see it. Gone. Always leave a portion of the club on the putting surface. I like that. I don't do that because I always feel.

You listening to that dad? My dad lost the square strike. Probably right in the rough. He still doesn't have one? He still doesn't have one. He still doesn't. He got the new one where you push the button and the ball just rockets off the face? He does it.

I've seen the videos. We need to get it from. We gotta get in this stuff. Or you don't even take a back swing and just shoot top. We got to start doing like... What? Trent, there's a fucking three wood. I don't know what the name of it is.

Oh my God. There's a three wood where you just, you put the club down on the, on the fairway, and you hit a button. Oh, I've seen it. And the ball just shoots straight, 250 yards straight. You have to put, like, gun ammo in this thing. I'm not kidding. It's like gun powder. You put ammo in it, and it just boom.

And the videos are a laugh at loud funny. You're like, A Revolutionary War soldier, like loading your fucking three-wood? How do you even play that off if you're using it? You're just standing there? Nothing happens, and the ball goes 210 yards. Incredible. My dad would love to have it.

You got to get a bet. I'm surprised he didn't invent that. You got to get a bet. The swingless golf club. That's what it's called. I don't know. That's what I'm typing it right now. Yeah, you got to teach him the technique where he does it, and then he just follows

through like he hit it when, you know, when a buddy's not looking or something. That would be the plan. They just hear a gun go off. Boom. Why do we hear a gun go off every hole? There's fucking smoke, and my dad has a fucking finish sign. Just a beautiful father. A finish just like look, and he's like, oh, right down the middle.

Frank, we see smoke as if you're like an early 1900s photographer. Oh, man. You got to get one of those. And then the last one we're going to finish up with. This is a tough one. Cody says, would you take a tiger win at the Tour Championship if it meant that the U.S. is guaranteed to lose the Ryder Cup? I'm a no

I am a no I need a major Would you take a tiger win at the tour championship But it means we lose the Ryder Cup Yes I'm taking a win So I'm with Trent I would say You make that any major championship done You make it the Tour championship

I just don't think the Tour championship Overall is like Because then we got it We're taking the whole offseason anyways So it's like It's not you know Well, does the whole scenario play out where he wins the FedEx? Again, I don't even think that would do it for me.

I don't care. Really? No, like whatever. 10 million bucks for Tiger? I don't care about that. Yeah, it'd be nice to tell, like, Dave to go fuck himself with that. But then Dave would still be like he's got to win a major. Exactly.

So, yeah, so it just wouldn't. No, I want the U.S. to win Ryder Cup. I just haven't gotten to the point now where I'm like, I need to see Tiger just win. I don't think I can, like, put off winning. I am there, too, but it doesn't, not at the expense of a Ryder Cup. Rider Cup's too big, too important. It is. But, like, he can win this and then fucking win the one when it comes to Beth Page.

Yeah, but, I mean, that's not a guarantee. Either he's winning a major. But it, like, he can win right now. Yeah, but this isn't a major. He's not getting, he's not winning a major. This is winning the Tour championship, but he's telling you he's going to win a tournament. It's a guarantee. Yeah, he's right.

I don't care. I honestly, the Tour Championship doesn't even like, if Tiger won the Tour Championship, it would be awesome. I would love it. We're going to go crazy. But it's not bigger to me than winning the rider. I'm never rooting against Tiger, but I've very much secretly been hoping that his first win is a major, not just like a tour event. I don't agree with that.

I think if he wins a tour event, he's going to win a major, so it's like you're asking for two, basically, if he wins a tour event. I don't know if those are exactly the connection there. I do. I think that the Rider Cup is too big to sacrifice. Think about awesome. I'd sacrifice the hell of it. I'd have had it in two years. it's like you're, I think you're just, you're so distanced from what it's like.

It's awesome. When you hear the European fans chirping and you see how intense the matches are and how badly we want to win, you see comments like Thomas Peters made last week. One minute. Saying that like the American fans can't drink bitching about the fact that they lost because of the course set up and how fierce all this shit is. You see all the Euros with their stupid high fives and handshakes. You're like, I want to beat those motherfuckers so badly.

It is. You're going to give up that for a tort. championship? I'd sacrifice a president's cup in two seconds, but not a rider cup. Agreed. I just want Tiger back on top, and I know that you're saying the Tour championship win doesn't get him back on top really in your mind. But to me, that Sunday of watching Tiger just win a tournament is what I've been waiting

for for fucking ever. I've just been waiting for that. We have on this very podcast talking about how often this year he gets so close and then just doesn't do it and how we just need him to win already. But like we're saying, I couldn't do that expensive. I will say, I think Frankie has a point in that like we're more, willing to not take this deal because we are like assuming he's going to win more tournaments. Had you given this to me a year ago, I think I definitely would have taken it.

Yes. Right. But now it's like we're almost just guaranteeing that he's going to win, which that's a huge assumption. So I get what you're saying. I'm taking the money right now. Yeah. Right.

Right. You're taking the money. All right. That's it for us. We will be back on Thursday. Of course, everything leading up to the Tour Championship to Eastlake. it's a great time to be alive. It's also like we've got

three more shows and we've got the Ryder Cup and we've got Tour Championship and all that and then we're going to have like a depression period after that or we have no golf. No, I have to talk about that right now. A lot of from the galleries. A lot of from the galleries. Send them to us for Play at Barswellsports.com.

A lot of good ones coming from the crew. We'll be back Thursday. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. If I've seen these ups and downs, somehow I just keep on playing through. So all your critics pull up a chair at the winter circle soon i'll be there with a high five and a smile for you trying to tell me

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