Fore Play - Own The World, with Fighter Ian Garry

Episode Date: May 5, 2022

Are we completely insignificant? Maybe. Will the sun swallow all the planets making us fully meaningless? Maybe. But then we’re joined by young MMA star and super confident Ian “The Future” Garry (01:22:47), who gives a completely different perspective. It’s a hell of a show, contemplating: Is confidence everything? Is Frankie fixed? Is Phil off the hook? How will the Tour respond? Some From The Galleries and much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, my personal sports. Fuck, I would say, because it's early. We don't usually do early. This isn't known as an early podcast. It's so early that Trit Daddy is not here yet. I feel bad for him because he's on the West Coast, so it's 6 a.m.

recording a podcast by 6 a.m. not great. He said, I think when we were scheduling this, he said, I'm going to be a. cold dead body when we record that. And I think that's probably pretty accurate, but we all got crazy-ass schedules. So here we are. It's early. That's not true.

Let's just hope that cold dead body is not true. That's scary. I think he's alive. I think he's alive. He just hasn't fully awakened yet. You know, we could start with hockey, if you guys want, which the St. Louis has absolutely curbs stop the Minnesota Wild for the fifth straight time this year with

a four not to defeat on the road. There's a lot of late. Actually, last night, I didn't see how it turned out. Lurch? What happened last night? Yeah, no, tough loss. Lost in triple overtime. Didn't see that one coming.

Strong start out of the gate for the boys. And then they just lingered. And I'll tell you what, Sidney Crosby. Pittsburgh had like a hundred shots on net. They had like a hundred shots on net. Yeah, it's just a shame. You know, Shisterc and the God, the chosen one. What are they calling him now?

The Prince, they like to call him. I mean, you know, he had a lot of saves. York. He had a lot of saves, which was like a cool little stat. I saw all like the images that Rangers were putting up, the second most saves in NHL history in the playoffs, the most saves by a Ranger, and then just one too little. You know what I mean? It's just, you needed to make one more. And it's a lesson to all those kids out there, no matter, it's the king of, it's the, it's a lesson all those kids out there, you know, do never, never rest on your, on, on all of your successes. Keep going. You have 79 says you need 80. You have 80 days. You

to keep going. You can't sit back and be happy with all of your personal accolades. So, you know, I'm not going to be that butt hurt fan that didn't make the playoffs and roots against his other team, but that's exactly what I've been my whole entire life. I enjoy Ranger losses more than I enjoy Islander wins. It's just a fact of who I am and where I came from and how I was built. And that was a tough loss of the Rangers, you know, parking garages closed on people. I saw like Lurch's dad to go move his car. I heard horror stores of people in Manhattan getting their cars locked inside places that they've parked in. No way. Because I was like, dad, it's 24-hour parking. Like, what are you doing? There's places that close at like 11. They're just like, we're done.

You think they're waiting around for a triple overtime game? That's one of the, it's one of the negatives to being inside a major city, especially a city that's like as a child, I never really realize what a triple overtime game, what that is like for adults and not even for adults, but adults that are working professionally around the game, like every time they would go back to intermission and they would go to the set inside the studio, you could just sense how miserable those fucking guys were that they were still there. I mean, they're contracted to, like, do three of these things in between periods, do a quick post game, and then go back to the hotel, go home and probably like fly home the next morning, wherever. And here they are. It's like midnight.

They're supposed to be home fucking three hours ago. Yeah, whichever team makes the, you know, It makes the last mistake. It's going to really suck. And they're just still grinding through those. As a kid, you're like, it's triple O T. This is great. Every adult was miserable. Like, even at the, like, even the loudness, whenever the Rangers had a chance to score,

MSG, it was like, it was just muted in the second or third overtime because people were just like, all right, I mean, kind of have, like, can we just pause this and come back tomorrow or so? It's kind of ridiculous that they just keep going. It was, yeah, I mean, my dad was there. He's 70 plus years old, you know, and he literally left the arena. moved his car because the parking garage closed at 10 and then somehow got back in the arena and they let him in.

So, yeah, I mean, we had a couple selfies between my dad and two or three of his buddies that are there and they're all older guys. So it's like, all right, I mean, this is now a late hockey game and we've got to drive after this the whole bit. But yeah, it was just a brutal loss, you know. It's the only way you can spin it, really. You know, the garden was bumping early and then really tough. Had the goal called back, which hurt, but I felt like that was probably the right call.

I don't think the guy really set his edge to evade the goalie. I think that was fair, even though didn't really want to see that happen. But I do think the Rangers have more depth going into the rest of the series. So maybe this long game hurts the top lines of Pittsburgh more than it hurts the Rangers. We'll see. I actually don't hate if you're a Ranger fan, which you are alert, which has been sad for the last five or six years. But, you know, there's some positivity coming, I think. I actually don't think a triple O.T game, win or lose, is the worst thing because your team's so inexperienced that getting those guys,

there's obviously jitters and you're getting in the first couple periods of it. But after, like, slugging through six periods of that, I feel like a lot of those guys are probably like, all right. I mean, now we're just in the fucking playoffs and it is what it is. So I actually, I was thinking even second overtime, I was kind of like looking at the faces of those guys being like, I think they're over the aura of overtime playoff hockey now. and they're sort of just like, all right, this is fucking hockey. And for a young squad like that, I agree with you because it had like in in the seven game series, what gets a little bit underrated is the toll that it truly could fucking take on teams in hockey

because you get your body beat to fuck. And I think that if you really are a truly deeper team than others and you can get it going six or seven games, I think that becomes a huge advantage. And I think the Rangers do have that. But if they, they have another. tough loss like that or two, I don't know that they're going to be to a point in the series where the depth's really going to matter because the penguins could just fucking hit you at any moment.

Yeah, I think two tough losses in the series is over. That's one. So one more and it's over. So, yeah, because like the other side is that is that, yeah, we're young or we're in the mix, but its confidence is just a massive issue and we got to close out that hockey game and figure out a way to win it. We didn't. But, yeah, I mean, the other thing is playoff hockey is just the best thing in the planet.

I could watch any game under the sun. And then obviously what the Aves did last night and then they score and then Devin T's. They're going to be a problem. Berns their own real problem. Devonthe's and the boys are going to be a real issue over in the Western conference, the western part of the country. What they're doing out there is seismic. I mean, they were up. I fucking landed.

I turned out and I had the, you know, Marshall Sportsbook took a couple wagers, Rangers, money line. They killed me last night. So thanks for that large. And then I took the over six and a half in the Aves, Preds game. and I'm still not even mentally prepared for what's going on in the Ranger game because they're going on simultaneously. It's like one over time, two over time.

By the time I check on the abs game, they're up five nothing. I mean, there was like seven minutes left in the first period. They're up five. And then our guy, Matt Duchenne, who, you know, he helped us get on the over. He scored the only two goals. They were at one point in Colorado where he used to play. I felt a little bit bad for him, but he's an awesome guy, so I don't think he really cares.

but, you know, they were chanting Duchenne sucks, and then he just scored his second goal of the game as they were chanting Duchin sucks at him. So he helped me out big time on the over. So big thanks to them. But they just steamrolled and looked like they were going to score the most goals in the history of playoff hockey. And what's his face?

Landiske has, I think he's third all time in points per game in the playoffs behind Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux at like one point. It's got like 1.4-1 points per game in the playoffs or something for people that have played 40 or more games, playoff games. He's third all-time at points per game. And that's probably only going to go up because Colorado is going to be so goddamn good for the next four or five years it feels like. So, yeah, they're going to be a serious issue. I think they're going to be a real issue.

Yeah, I think they're the best team in the NHL by far. I mean, like the pace that they play at is just insane. The speed, like, you know, Edmonton, obviously McDavid, but he plays in like a, a, one-off. That whole team flies around the ice. And it feels like there's chance after chance after chance, which was the saddest part about my Rangers last night, is that we just looked slow, honestly. Like they were beating us to Pucks, you know, Reeves is a hammer, but like on the aggregate, we were just slow to get the Pucks and it just was kind of a, it was a sad loss. And then the other thing actually that I love, because I am a Crosby guy, that guy still just has it.

He's just so goddamn good. Every shift, that line of Rust, Gensel and Crosby, they were just, they dominated. Chance after chance. The little passes he makes and like the little chips towards the goalie that like from a side angle like trying to bounce it in under his like under his arm's insane. Like who even attempts that shit? And then just the way he goes into the zone and like on that goal I think Russ scored where he passed it through defenseman and he was just behind her defenseman. You know, he circles are like cuts high, which attracts that top, that D man. So now he can't sluff and take the guy or just like was miscommunicated.

And then he just passes through him and he creates a breakaway in seven feet of space. It's like, dude, you're insane. How about that one clear attempt that he just knocked down right at the blue line in the offense? The hand eyes off the chart. He knocked it down, passed it right to his right and they almost scored a goal. It's just crazy. He's, he's nuts. He's fucking nuts.

Then Malkins like, you don't want to get. get Malcolm going because now he's like re-invigorated. Yeah, I don't know if he's banged up. He doesn't look like his whole self. He's been banged up forever, I feel like. He's been banged up his whole goddamn career. Quick correction, it's Nathan McKinnon who has, coming into this, I believe, had 1.47 points per game in the playoffs in his career.

And the only two that are ahead of him are Mario Lemuel and Wayne Gretzky, which are two pretty goddamn good names. And if Mario Lemieux hadn't been, you know, as injured and sick and dealing with illness as he was, he was when he retired the first time before he came back after several years. Mario Lemieux was, I believe, the only player to have average over two points per game throughout his entire career.

Every time he laced up the skates, he was going to, Pittsburgh was going to score at least two goals off of his stick, either at sister's scoring. And then if you ever want to get the chills, you go back to watch Mario Lemus first game back after the, you know, two or three years of retirement, when I think he had like two goals

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So a lot of the questions we're asking. I put out a little tweet just because I was bored this morning and there's nothing else to do in the morning. Are you guys morning people in general? No. Yeah. I think I am. I'm more of a morning person than a night person.

You know who's not as T-Dady. T-Dady. Frank you grew up in the restaurant. The restaurant industry is not a morning industry. It's a night industry. Sleep till 11, like get to the place at like 2.30. Like your shift starts at 4 and then you're just there until 2. in the morning.

Count receipts and doing the whole thing. Do it all over again the next day. Unless you're my dad and he like wakes up at 6 a.m. and then goes to bed at fucking 2 a.m. And that's just a whole other. That's owning a restaurant. But for me, it's, yeah, it's not great. I'm not a morning person.

I was better at being a morning person when I was in the Dave Portnoy world when I was like had to be at the office at 9 a.m. Or else I'd get tweeted at being like, Frank O'Ebrillie's pathetic. It's 9-1 and he's not here and we have something to do. So I definitely was on a better schedule. But now that, like, we're traveling so much and, like, can kind of make our own schedule and do things, I'm definitely more sluggish in the mornings. Yeah. The world that we used to live in when it was a lot more, when Barstow was a lot tighter, especially on the content side, Dave was a lot more plugged into the daily blog stuff.

It was tough because if you were ever late about anything in the morning, you would get shit on like you just. said, but you also couldn't miss anything at night in terms of games, news, whatever. So you had to, like, be up till midnight or one in the morning focused on what's going on on TV or live events. So you really couldn't miss fucking anything. If you missed anything, you get rosent. Now, luckily, we've sort of detached to a degree, but you can occasionally get, I mean, I think it was like last summer.

I just got a random, like, text from Dave about like, oh, we don't blog golf news or something anymore. I was just like, just Googled like golf and was like, what the, what's the fuck? What? What's the fucksy Y are right? So you could get it, I guess. Is that story of the, fuck, I can't remember who it was. He was a Yankees blogger back in the day.

And he was just on a boat for Derek Jeter's 3,000 hit and just did it. So he had written a pre-made blog, a pre-written blog, congratulating Derek Jeter. And he just forgot to include all the incredible details of Jeter hitting a home run off David Price and like it being the most Derek Jeter Yankees. Yeah, it went like five for five, didn't he? Yeah, it was just, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So like it's just the most, it's, it's so Barstle that like back in the day you needed to like just grind everything. Like, I mean, Dave says he used to eat a full baguette from Panera and just sit at his fucking computer and just blog 15 blogs a day. Just whatever he saw. So yeah, it was definitely different. So I think Barstle used to be a morning place and now it's definitely changing, I think. Dude, he did to the point where, you know, in 08, oh nine. probably 08 was when I first started reading

Barstle and it was pretty much Dave at the time like 09 I think is when KFC and K Marco and then were hired but at the time it was pretty much Dave and a few random writers I think like Rear Admiral was actually blogging at the time which is amazing to think about where he's at now but 2008

I was in college and we would there are times you'd be grinding in the library all you're doing is procrastinating procrastinating procrastinating trying not to write your 10 page paper that you had to write And fucking, we would legitimately refresh the barstrelsports.com website every 15 minutes. And if there wasn't a new blog for Dave, you'd be like, what the fuck is that guy doing? And like every 15 to like 20 minutes, he would publish a new blog.

I think all day from 9 a.m. until 10 p.m. at night, he would write a new blog all fucking day. It was incredible. You'd do it every fucking day. And if he didn't, you'd be pissed. He'd be like, what is, where the fuck is Porta? What is this guy doing? I remember that too. I remember that same feeling being like, what are these guys like up to right now that like there hasn't been one?

And I remember thinking about Dave's definitely reaming people behind the scenes because there hasn't been one for an hour. Because the barstle app, or it was before the app, you would just go on like for me, I'd go on like the internet browser on my phone or on my computer. But if if they're like you had to read every blog regardless of what city it came on came from because it wasn't so like sports oriented. It was just everyone wrote about a funny story. It was definitely so much different. It was so different to the point where you would get three blogs in a row from different writers about the same topic. And that would go on from like 2009 until 2019, I feel like, because we used to do that. And then it got to the point where we would parody ourselves when that would happen.

And we would have, we would intentionally have someone else behind the scenes assign like four of us to write about the same topic and publish it at the same time just to rattle someone else behind the scenes. So, you know, it's a little bit of a shit show, but now we're in a different world where we just do a fucking golf podcast. And on this golf podcast, we're about to have our first, I believe, UFC fighter that we've ever had to be on this show, Ian Gary, who I'm not a UFC expert. I got, there was a stretch where I got a little bit more into it when I was tighter with Robbie Fox, who is, of course, our main, UFC, I guess, large and a few others are up there now. but who is the most passionate, I would say, UFC guy. And I got more into it at different times. But this, Ian Gary, is supposed to be some young hot shot who absolutely loves golf and wants to take up golf whenever he's done fighting and try to make it as long as he can. So it should be an interesting interview.

I want to ask a lot about the fighting world because I just don't know that much about it. So anyways, that's coming up at the second half of the show. And then we got a bunch of topics and from the gallery questions to get to that we did not get to because we were interrupted by a one Kevin Kisner on the last show. And he popped in and hung with us for like an hour and 15 minutes after committing to do about 25 minutes with us. I have to get an update on what's going on with Dr. Brett McCabe down in Bama. I think you kind of electrified the internet yesterday with what many thought was a doctored clip because it couldn't have been that. perfect but you know i know it's a series i know we don't want to give and spoil the entire thing but it appears things are going progressively well yeah fixing frankie is off to a tremendous start

i think kids said it best where he said we found the two best people for us and john tillery for trent and dr brett mccabe for myself couldn't have gone better like starting a new series is a little nerve-racking you have no idea what the story's going to be if people are going to care about it how you're going to shoot it, what kind of content you're going to get. I mean, you know, without like revealing too much about it, I don't want to give away the processes because I think that's what's going to make people want to watch the video, like how you actually maneuver yourself around a golf shot and the golf course.

And it's not just course management. It's just a way of thinking. It makes so much sense the way he describes it where it's like, why aren't you thinking this way when you're about to do this? And when you start to think that way, you just hit better golf shots. Like obviously, I'm not cured when it comes to. chipping. He makes the point where it's like you're going to still hit bad chips. You don't know why because like Tiger Woods flubs chips into the fucking Ponzi. He's the best golfers

ever lived. Like Tiger Woods skulls fucking chips and Duffs him and Max Homa does the same thing. So you're never going to like become perfect. But what he gets me to is a state where I get confident. And this is, I was only with it for six hours. I got confident over the ball because he put my mindset in a way where it's like we can do this for sure. And it's like minimizing your mistakes. Like we really talked about like when I played the other day and I hit it 10 feet off the green and I made a seven. Like how do we avoid ever doing that again? Just making our four moving on to the next hole. Like don't like let let the like let one mistake be one mistake, not four. And it's like you it's it's almost like a sense of maturity you have on the golf course where you're

like we're not making par here. Right. Even though you're still on your second shot. We're not making a four. So let's make a five. Let's really try and make a five. And it's really cool to see how different The result is when you just approach it that way. It's fucking awesome. So Dr. Brett McCabe, he's, he's in the golf world. He's renowned, man. I mean, he is, I was getting messages yesterday. I'd be like, this dude's the real deal.

You know, his home course is out here, Greystone Legacy. Max Homest coach is out here. So he's got like an amazing facility out there on the golfing or on the driving range. It's a really good community of golfers out here. It's really cool to see. And he is just, yeah, you saw it in the video. He's like into it. He's animated.

And that was not the first chipping. I mean, we played a full round, like ball and hole to see where my game was at. So the video is going to be awesome. I think we're going to like Tuscaloosa today. Maybe get, you know, some cool stuff at the university because he teaches at the university. He said he had like a meeting with coach today, which like only happens like once a year. And like, dude, the guy like legitimately had the term coaches. Yeah.

It's crazy. I mean, he works for the, he works for the football team. Like, he has national championship rings in his office. It's, it's truly remarkable. I mean, you're talking like Mack Jones and like two. He literally works with these guys, like to become the best quarterbacks they can be. And like, now I'm working with them to become the best golfer. And it's, it's fucking insane. That hug was, the hug told me a lot.

The fact of you guys were, I mean, I was sincere. That was a guy that's rooting for you. That was you, a guy that trust the man that's helping you. you out. The way you approach that chip shot, I've never seen you so level-headed and focused like that. I mean, you, you stood behind the ball like you were fucking PGA Torp bro, and we're like, yeah, I'm just going to drop this ball right there. It was insanity. And like, I was like, who the fuck is? And my hands were forward. So like, he didn't even teach me technique. Like, everything kind of fell into place once I had the right mindset. And one of the

things we're really working on is picking the right clubs. And like, you guys will like to know this because you've watched me just struggled. with 60 degrees my whole life and everyone that's ever tweeted at me is like why is this guy using 60 degrees of tight lies where like where pros wouldn't even do it and yesterday in a full round I used a pitching wedge around the green like seven times and like it worked so much better like wait until you see the footage of these just like little putting stroke punch shots running through the rough of like 15 feet and just checking onto the green and just going to five to six feet to give ourselves a chance when like what am I trying to do with a blady 60 degree to try and like

the biggest eye-opening thing from the video is going to be when he tells me to pick my spot on the short range he goes go put a T down where you want to land this thing and how wrong that was in my head oh wow we would go to like a flag and he'd be go put a T down of where you want to land this thing and I'd put it down he'd start laughing and walk away like why what do you're putting it you're putting it way too close to the flag probably yeah I was putting it I was in my mind, I was like, oh, I'm just going to be a two hop stop. I'm going to hit this thing nice and high. It's going to sit down soft.

He's like, why? Why? He's like, Kevin Kisner wouldn't do that here. What are you doing? Like, your chance of success is 5%. Let's make it 85. Let's just take a pitching wedge and just do a putting stroke. Land it right here and just use the green, just like you went with a putt.

Don't even fucking worry about everything else. And what's the worst is going to happen? Is it a run out a little bit? Okay. What's the worst thing is going to happen? with the wedge. You're going to hit it two inches or you're going to blade it over the street, which I did. I bladed one over the street. The footage is insane. I like it. I like it. Everybody's going to learn a lot from these things. Everybody

learns a lot from these. It's like with Trent's here. Everybody, everybody can learn from that shit. It's not just like, oh, you're that skill level. It applies to everybody. Yeah. And we're going to, I think he's really good buddies of Scott Fawcett. So, I mean, and Fawcett doesn't know this, but I'm coming to him too. So that's going to be the next episode or or episode three. So we're doing decade golf for sure. We're going to try that out. I mean, he doesn't even know it.

I'm announcing that now. I'm coming to him for episode two. Like, it's just, we're just going to keep rolling. No, Foster will be into that. He's a relentless fellow. He has sent me a thousand DMs about us,

like collaborating. I had to just stop responding to his team at one point. Yeah. But he's great. I like Scott Fawson a lot, but he was like, you need to come to this event. We're going to co-brand that.

And I eventually was, yeah. We're just Calvin Amis teaching me how to hit the ball in the middle of the green. That's all we're doing. Yeah, yeah. I think Kiz is a decade golf guy. At least he was, I know, last year. I think he probably still is. Because I remember on the 17th poll at the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines last year, when Tilleri, Trent swing coach, was like, yeah, the line here via decade golf, which we're using now, was actually like into the bunker on the right. And if you draw it a little bit, it's perfect. But if you hit it in that bunker, you're fine. If you miss a little bit left, that's why you aim at the bunker. If you miss a little bit left, it kicks into the hazard, which is exactly what happened to Louis Ousta, who's in a why he lost the U.S. Open. So I remember that I think Kis is a decade golf guy because of that.

So imagine you getting Mr. Dr. McCabe and Scott Fawcett. I mean, you're going to have. We're just going to see no excuses now, Frankie like standing behind shots, visualizing shots, talking to us about ideal target lines. It's going to be fucking insane. There's no excuses, lurch, but I like I have to just commit to like these processes. Like my day ended yesterday with Dr. Brett McKayb writing a word on my, my glove. and it's just a big word right on top of my thumb

It's just this process He says my process sucks Wait until you guys see When he didn't tell me what to do in the process And I just walked up to like how wrong I was Like he'd be like We had a process And then I would forget

I'd just tell him to the ball And then I'd hit in the woods And he'd be like Well would you just do Oh my guy was the best And one time like I argued with them And said I did the process And he goes well you're

He goes you're in a bunker and we can see your footsteps. So look behind you. Are there any footsteps behind you? And I was just like, oh, fuck. Like, it was actually caught right hand out. Yeah, exactly. Just wrong.

He's like, well, did you do the process? I was like, yes, I did the process. And he's like, there's not one footmark behind you. It's like, oh, fuck. I was lying. I was lying. I was like, you weren't even looking. You didn't see me doing the process.

He was like, well, I could see right behind you. You didn't do a fucking thing. Oh, man. That's great. I also do this thing with Scott Fawcett and you tell me, you tell me that the lines over the bunker, like through the bunker, and then you hit it in the bunker, that's where it's going to be a real test of all the lessons you've learned. The process, Scott Fawson, you know, like, now you're okay in the bunker.

Like, you're going to tell me, no, this is where I was supposed to be in the bunker. So it should be really, it should be good content all the round. We're just going to minimize our mistakes. We're going to turn eights into fives. That's the biggest thing. I'm not trying to become a scratch golfer right now. I'm trying to just become more consistent, and that's where he's getting me.

It's just mind shit that makes you feel that ease. And I also do want to say, I want to go back real quick, because I know the Nate dog will fucking kill us. The Barstall blog is still very much an incredible experience. I've been thinking about that since we've been talking about. That place has some of the best writers we've ever had, number one being Colie Mick.

If you're not reading Coley Mick on the blog, he has, he blogs the way he talks. And that's like the best thing of all time, which I love. So I just wanted to add that in because I still very much frequent the Barstool website. Oh, the Barstool blog is better than it's ever been. It's just different and we don't do it as much, which is probably much to their chagrin. It's much to Nate chagrin, much to Coley-Mick chagrin that like we're not on it as much. But again, we've sort of, we've done other stuff.

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all the course notes you need for the upcoming PGA championship. Do all players get this treatment at PGA? For Tiger Woods, this is just a. embarrassing that at PGA posted this photo and it's very telling. Now, the reaction to this has been from everyone in the industry, including professional golfers, yes, everybody gets this treatment. In fact, if you arrive at any course really in the country and you're not a professional golfer, if you're just myself or Lurge, Frank, or Trent, then you're in the pro shop and you pay your greens fee and you ask the director of golf or the head pro or the assistant pro in the shop, you say, hey,

I never been here before. You got any knowledge on the course? They'll go, absolutely, I got some knowledge on the course. We're here. You're going to want to be below the hole. Or it's actually on this track, even though it doesn't look like it, it usually opens up way more on the right. So you'd be great to miss most holes, you know, off the tee on the right side, favor the rights there, whatever. They'll give you any notes that you want.

I had Wesley Brian. I saw all kinds of people respond to the tweet saying, if you are any golfer and you show up to Southern Hills a month, two months, a week before the PJ Championship and you go into the membership, you go into the clubhouse, you go into the pro shop, and you ask the staff to help you out or give you some information. They are Jonesen to give you information. They live for this shit. These motherfuckers are at this course 24-7-365. They've been talking about hosting the PGA championship

since the second that it was announced and probably 10, 20 years before that. All they live for is to talk about. When they get drinks at the local bar at night, all they're saying is, yeah, I can't wait to see guys, you know, that missed the whole left on three, how much trouble they're going to be. And that's about these fucking guys do all day every day.

So their chance to share that information with people that are actually going to play in the tournament is their favorite thing to do in the world. And then I saw a bunch of people saying Patrick Reed was actually at Southern Hills, I think, last week or the week before, doing the exact same thing that Use Golf Fax, who may or not be Justin Reed, was bitching about. And all these things being true at the same time, I guess I would say is why we love Use Golf Fax. because use golf facts is trying to base its entire existence on writing the wrongs in golf and just being factual and bottom line. In reality, it's just a parody account that doesn't know it's a parody account. It's an amazing account. Honestly, it's sent to, like, internet a buzz with all different takes.

I loved reading all the takes. I was hoping that I missed something there and you were like, yeah, there was actually a picture of Patrick Reed with the director of golf on the first team. Like, you know, like, just be the best thing in the world. No, but it's, it is, yeah, it's a parody cow. I mean, she is, she just whines at every different level.

And like, if there's any edge to golf of, like, picking up tips or really honestly anything, she loves to knock that in, you know, to protect her boy, P. Reed. And it is just amazing on all different levels. Imagine it's not Justine Reed. I know. I thought about that too. That'd be amazing.

Just some troll. I mean, there's millions of trolls everywhere. Why is it to not, why is it not to be believed that it's some dude that tweets about Patrick Green a lot? Do you imagine like the giddy smiles when this person does that? And then they see like our podcast, other podcasts, just light up in flames about Justin Reed and talk about it and all these. He's like tweets about it and it's just like some guy named Jeremy. All-time troll. Just an all-time troll. Yeah, I mean, it would be the most successful troll account in the history of golf.

I mean, you're convinced the entire world that you're one of the most controversial golf figures, Masters Champion, Ryder Cup, star's wife, and you're just not. You're just, you're just like Tim, who goes to his accounting gig and occasionally at lunch, logs in and just fucks with the entire golf Twitter. it would be fantastic. I hope that that's true. I do not unfortunately believe that it is. I have to shout out Golf Digest who had a great tweet two days ago,

and they tweeted out an article authored by Patrick Reed. I think it was like from a week ago, but they tweeted it out the other day and wrote, stick with Patrick Reed's sand strategy to become a bunker expert. And that says how Patrick Reed succeeds from the sand and how you can too. there's no doubt in my mind that these folks over at Golf Digest knew what they were doing with this. You know, it's like a little bit of double-dippant. It's like, yeah, yeah, no, he's one of the better short game players on tour. Here's the tips from Patrick Reed, but then the way that they phrased it,

all of the replies were obviously, you know, screenshots from the Hero World Challenge and Cherf and Patrick Green, very well played by Golf Digest. They get a lot of shit these days, extremely well played. I laughed out loud. And then it sent everybody into a tizzy, people fighting. I'll say it's not a hockey podcast, but man. No, thank you. Oh, they're going to turn to bed?

I'm going to do a little, yeah, no, thank you. Nice to have that back. Nice to have that back for a couple years we really have. It's such an iconic tap, but I think they use a card to tap on it, right? It's almost like the card to get in. It's just I think they use whatever card they're going to use to get into this room. they tap on the outside because it's not a knock. It's like a it's a ringing tap and it's piercing.

But, you know, I avoided that situation just now. I'm sorry about that. No, you're okay. I have to say, you know, the Patrick Greed situation reminded me of, you know, a lot of the tweets that you get and see and what Twitter is like during playoffs, hockey playoffs. It is so easy to rile people up. It is so easy to rattle people.

People are so gullible on Twitter that, I mean, you know, I put out a couple tweets just like, yeah, it's nice to like teach Minnesotaans a little bit about hockey tonight. And I got like 15 DMs even where people take it not from the public sphere of Twitter. That's a good tweet though. Because you're like knocking their core of Minnesota. Like, dude, they're like DMing me stats about hockey in like Minnesota versus myself. I'm like, no shit, you fucking idiots. It's just like. But dude, that's a good tweet.

Because that's a good choice. And it's great because you, you know, you really, who inspires a lot of that is Dave with his bandwagon stuff about the Bruins every year, which is laugh out loud, funny. But man, you can just, you can rile up an entire state full of people in just a couple tweets and they take it so personally and they get so offended by it. It's great. It's a lot of fun. So to bring that full circle, well played by Golf Digest, I know exactly what they were leading into there. They got the reaction that they wanted. and that's just how you get engagement.

That's how you do social media if you can handle some of the backlash. I just wanted to comment to Tiger Woods. It's really a miracle. It's a miracle that this man is there doing it again. It is incredible that he's just showing up to Southern Hills three weeks before the PGA championship with his leg sleeve on, and he's going through the process. He's going through the entire start-to-finish process

that it takes to try to win a major championship. This man is trying to win major championships again. We didn't think he would fucking walk. People that responded to our tweet saying, can't wait for Tiger to come back after the crash last year, actually the accident. There was a fucking moment, which I forgot about. I'm reading Bob Erick's book about Tiger and Phil

and the dichotomy between the two of them. We're going to have him on, I think, next week to talk about it. But I was reading his book on the plane while I was audio booking it. So you guys might disagree with that. But I was, in my opinion, reading his book on the plane. And I had forgotten that like a week after Tigers crash last year, everybody in professional golf on the PGA tour and the LPGA tour wore red and black as like an honorable like a nod to Tiger Woods

while he was in his hospital bed like people thought he was going to die. People were literally doing that a year ago wearing red and black to like tip the old cap to Tiger Woods. And now he's just out there preparing to win major championships again. That's fucking crazy. Like people were treating him like he died. and he is going to, he's just trying to steal their majors again. It's, it's a comeback that we all, if we went back and listened to ourselves a year ago

and how we were talking about Tiger Woods, it's a comeback that we really never saw coming. I said that this guy wouldn't play golf all year. I was like the PNC, it was like nothing, like there's no chance this guy's going to take any risks. He just played in the Masters. He's playing in the PGA championship. He hasn't missed a major.

It's great, like the guy. We all said that like six weeks ago. We were like, yeah, no way. plays this year. I think I put like zero percent chance on anything except for St. Andrews. It was like maybe 50 percent just because it's like flat and he loves that place. But now like the guys walking up and down the hills of Southern Hills. It's nuts. It's truly incredible. You said he should move to St. Andrews a month before and acclimated himself to Scotland to prepare to play at one major and he's just laying in all of them. Which I still think he should do. I think

that being insane. He kind of is. Dude, he's going over the, he's going to Ireland like two weeks before and playing in this pro-am thing. And like the, I think it's the Monday, Tuesday before open week. And then I doubt he's going to fly back.

So I think he's kind of acclimating himself to the United Kingdom, which is, which is nuts. Good. We haven't really talked about, but like we're going to be over on that side of the pond at that same time.

So if we run at the tiger at the old pub in Scotland, that would be something. Tiger's just at the pub Just sitting back Having a couple beers Playing a game of cards Those Scottish people are crazy enough Where I don't think they'd even fucking blink

They'd just be like all right Like yeah what do you want? Totally You go out Tiger, You want to Guinness? And they just keep ripping I think I would just kill myself after that Like if we just had a Guinness

With Tiger Woods In Scotland I think that I mean That's just the best thing that's ever happened It's only downhill from here See you later boys Well you can either do that

Or you can fly on one of these fucking planes that are dropping out of the air recently. What the fuck's that about? I don't want to talk about it too much because I have a flight today. But like things are starting to happen on these commercial flights. And I don't want to get into it. I really don't because I think it's horrific to talk about on this big of a platform. But like these engine fires and electrical fires that are happening. I mean, that picture on the Padres like, he said his, he said his fucking plane nose dived down to the ground. It's like Delta flight, nose dive down to the ground. the fucking pilot was like everyone put your fucking masks on

I um I don't want to do it because I don't want to do that shit Lerz knows too Lurch was up there I mean I took 92 flights last year I think I'm probably going to take more this year I can't think about that stuff that's that's that's it's not a world I want to live in but both of both planes both planes one had been like I think one of them was like the Alabama or some SEC school

their gymnastics team experienced the same thing. Both planes glided down, but that drop down can't be fun. It can't be fun. Have you seen the Boeing document? No. Nope. Yeah, I watched a documentary, dude.

Dude, I watched that thing because, I mean, yeah, Rays, I don't know how many flights I flew, but it's an outrageous amount of flights. I'm sick right now. I have it right in my throat, right? And you're nauseous right now. There's anyways. I got to go up there today in two hours.

Basically, basically at the front of the Bowen airplane, there used to be this little, like, device that sat right by the nose. And basically, depending on, like, how the wind came, it would affect the way, like, the tail and the rudders would control the aircraft. Anyways, it was, like, one, it was a total fuck up because if something is, like, a critical device to a Boeing aircraft, it always has, like, 38 sensors attached to it. It's never a one-to-one ratio, so it knows, like, oh, that sensor is just broken. like we can trust others. This was a one-to-one, and that's where, like, Lion went down, which is a, like, United, I think, in maybe South Africa. But anyway, just a different airline.

And then another one went down because it was a one-to-one ratio. This thing had just, like, broken on the nose and then told the tail to, like, drop the nose, and it needed to go, basically, it needed to point the nose down. And it did that on two planes. And they just literally went flat and then just went pivoted and went straight down. By the way, when Lurch says went down, I mean, these planes, you know, nose dives

straight into the ground and ocean and killed everybody on board instantly. So like these were, but I will say the one thing that makes me feel better after watching a documentary is these failures that led to those crashes were like systemic issues that dated back like 10 or 15 years with like private equity companies or whatever taking over and then trying to like mitigate costs and like it actually all kind of led to that. The finance side into the equation. That made me feel a little bit better than it wasn't. It was like Boeing for decades had like 35 checkpoints that none of this could happen on any sense or on any part of any plane ever.

And then like because they kind of got trimmed down and were really threatened by Airbus and like they were getting dominated in the market by Airbus. They rushed out the Boeing Air Max, which is the one that ended up, two of the planes went down. And so like it actually made me feel a little bit better. But what didn't is like these executives, dude, in these meetings that just did not give a fuck about hundreds of people dying. All they cared about was just the reputation of Boeing being like, yeah, no, that was a fluke, a pilot air. And they're like blaming it on these pilots. Meanwhile, the pilots like weren't trained and weren't told about these issues. And so the poor pilots, Frankie, were legitimately fighting against the plane.

And the plane was purposely nosediving because of like these software. issues and it's fucking insanity dude. The other piece, the like, I think it was called an MCAT, wasn't even in basically like the how to fly the plane log. Like in terms of you, you learning how to fly, this piece of the puzzle wasn't even in the documentation of the lesson plan of how to learn about to fly this. What was the, what was the exact aircraft? It was the, what was it called?

The Boeing, like, it was like the, it was like the air. Air Max or what? Air Max. Yeah, something like that. Anyways, it was a mess. And so... Well, hopefully we're not part of... 737 max.

Hopefully we're not part of the next documentary where they just like realized that there was like a 20 year systematic problem and I'm on that flight. Like, hopefully they figured it all out. And look, this is not like this stuff's horrific. Like the scumbaggery that went down for these things to occur. Watch the documentary will infuriate you.

The only is I'm saying as someone that flies all the time is that at least it's not it didn't come off by like chance that this could really happen. It had to be, you know, and there's like all kinds of obviously redoing the system and like reaffirming that there need to be, you know, several, several, several, several quality checks so that these things can't happen. But yeah, it makes me nervous that like there will be another point where there needs to be a revamping of the system because, yeah, correction because things will happen. So it's horrifying. Well, two planes had electrical fires in the last like month. That's horrifying.

That's something that needs, that's a documentary coming up. Like, I don't know what's happening, but like we need to stop nose diving these planes. Yes. It's a little bit like, it's a little bit like you got to play the percentages game to make yourself feel better. Like if you don't, then you can like at any moment when the plane starts to shake a little bit, you think like, oh God, it's over. All right, we got to stop. We actually have to stop. Well, Frankie, but think about on the percentage side, like when you looked at that air map the other day with all the planes flying every different direction,

And like these crashes happen like once in just a blue moon. If you think about getting in your car, there's way more risk in that than there is in an air. You know, so it is a percentage of game in that way. But like there's still no excuse for to Riggs's point like how grave the mistakes were by the executives and just like basically this five, 10 year leadup of just like a bunch of missteps that got them in this point that we're building shitty aircrafts to try to save a buck where it's like, dude, you're an airline. you can't be out there to save a dollar. It's your 30,000, 37,000 feet up in the air. Like, let's have some safety precautions built in this and then try to evade those things.

And the whole issue really... I take a train home. I know I thought about it a lot. We're going to talk about Roman heroes. John Madden never got into a plane, I think. I think he just took his bus everywhere, John Madden. Is that right? Yeah.

I think he just took the John Madden tour bus around the country and did Monday night football and never got into a plane. plane. Dude, there was, when we did the Chicklets Cup in Vegas, which was awesome, we're doing the one in Buffalo this summer, but I flew on a really small plane, JSX, who's an excellent airline, but they're very small and they only do stuff out west, basically. But it's like 20 people on these small plane. And it was, remember how windy it was, Frankie, that first, that day before the tournament start? Well, we come from Scottsdale to Vegas on this tiny plane. I mean, our plane, trying to

land on this rope was like, like moving up, down. left, right, to the point we came in kind of like almost sideways when they're landing. And you're just like, this is, this is what you see come across your local news is like small plane with 21 people on. Like, this is what you see. And you're sitting on this fucking thing being like, I couldn't fucking drive. It's a four to half hour fucking drive. You couldn't just drive. Like, what are you doing in the sky in this giant tube flying sideways into the fucking bike?

What are you doing? What are we doing up here? How did this happen? We used to be on fucking carriages. And, you know, and now we're in. in the sky flying 500 miles an hour into the wind. And then they just land it, no problem. The guy's like, yeah, welcome to Vegas.

And you're like, dude, what do you mean welcome to Vegas? What you just did was one of the most heroic, like, piece. And then nobody talks about it. Like 35 minutes later, they're just back up in the air flying the other direction. It's fucking bananas. A new set of people. And it's like, I will say those crazy landings, though, where it looks like they're coming in the runway perpendicular.

And then they catch the near side tire. And then they just like, and now they're, going straight and you're like, dude, what? What did you just do to make that happen? That happened immediately. You put a lot of trust in that tire. I had my face up against the window, like squeezing it to see if I could catch a piece

of the fucking runway because I'm like, this guy's coming in sideways, man. I was legitimately up against the window looking, trying to look straight. Oh, God. I can't just have been going to fight today. This is insane. Do you guys know Phil Nicholson's dad was a pilot? No. Really?

Yeah, I learned that from this book that I'm reading. You're probably going to do a lot of tidbits because I'm reading this book. I want to become a pilot. I'd love to be a, I'd love to play. You know, our boy Dustin Schaefer, who plays in all the Barstool classics. He has his own little plane and flies himself everywhere, Air Shaf. Yeah, it's epic. He just said, he's like, I just decided however long it goes, five, six years ago.

He was like, I just decided to be cool to become a pilot. So I just signed up, took flying lessons. You get to a point where you've done enough simulator hours and all the other stuff that you can just fly. So he just flies his own plane. It's epic. So cool. We can talk about Roman real quick.

I feel like if you fly, it probably help you get into situations where you might be able to use Roman because Arnie Paul. I mean, guy was just the biggest stud pilot of all time. He like invented, I think don't people kind of associate Arnie with flying from course to course

in his plane more than any other person? And, I mean, talk about a ladies' man. Talk about Roman. Talk about needing to use it. I mean, Arnie's the stud of Stuts. Arnie's Army. I mean, Jesus. Yeah, no, one of the great, one of the great ladies, ladies men of all time.

Would you call him a ladies men, ladies' men? One of the great ladies' mans? Single or plural on the ladies, singular. Your Wi-Fi stinks, which sucks. Mine? My Wi-Fi or lurches? Lurches. Okay, good.

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Lurch, where are you, by the way? You're in like the Caymans or something like that? I am. Grand Cayman's actually beautiful here. Hit a tennis ball yesterday. I don't even know where that is. It's just kind of a... Looking on a map.

Could tell me anything, and I'd believe it. A couple hundred miles south of Florida. The weird part is we're in central time, not Eastern Standard. That screwed me up Because when you look at a map, Frankie, if you're looking at the map right now, that feels like Eastern standard. Right. And it's just, we're in central time, which really...

I get quick trivia. If you left Detroit, Michigan, going due south, what's the first foreign country you'll hit? Brazil. Mexico. Canada. Oh, F you. Get Roman.com slash 4 to get 10% off swipes when you choose a monthly plan.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, nobody ever gets that one right. There's another, uh, there's, uh, there's, um, what you talking about? Well, because there's a little piece of Canada. What is that? Like, Ontario that, like, reaches right underneath Detroit. It's just, said Brazil. Well, I was like, I was trying to think, yeah, you know what?

I was wrong. At least I said something. I guess I don't know if that logic holds up. At least you said something. You said the way wrong answer. No, but I will say there was a moment in the dozen a couple weeks ago when we just didn't have an answer. We just, it was like all we had to do was come up with like an ACC football team or something. And we just, we didn't even give an answer.

We were so wrong. It was like Miami. And we, I think I just frantically threw out like Clemson with like. like no time left on the clock and the whole thing just laughed at us and we ended up losing like 12 I love doing that show but I also hate doing it because I'd rather just watch it I'm just not good I'm not good at fucking trivia why would I want to continue to do that show I love the show I love the show so much I enjoy I watch every episode I'm just not good at it so like I wouldn't just like join a fucking basketball team if I can't play basketball I'd like to watch it I think why am I playing

there's there's there's there's intuitively i would say most of it we're actually pretty good at but there's like three or four categories that we are never going to college basketball college football we know nothing NFL we have no chance we know nothing like nothing i mean surprised te daddy didn't help with the guess sorry there's my internet's thanks i guess i was saying i'm surprised t daddy didn't have that answer for your boys i feel like he's got a little football that was stunning because he's an Iowa guy. He's a college football guy. I don't have college football in New York.

I'm not a big college football fan. I don't know much about it. I was going to say Syracuse for that answer. Then I didn't want to get laughed at because, like, obviously an NFL player probably didn't come from Syracuse. So I just stayed quiet. It was just like, it's just an embarrassing loss. I know.

I'm only good at like the face swaps where the two celebrities are one person and I can just get those. Yeah, you nail those. You would try and are good at those. I don't know any of that. I only know like our niche categories. And then when we do like, again, more like intuitive stuff, when we did though, like, what was it, McDonald's per capita and stuff like that, I can just, when we're all on a level playing field,

I feel like I can kind of navigate our way through it. But when it comes to just pure trivia about who was like a second overall draft pick from the ACC in the year 2001 on a team that actually was under 500, I'm like, what are you fucking talking about? Who on earth knows that? And then the other team, every person of the team knows it. Every person of the team. They're like smirking at us.

Like, what are they doing here? You're like, what world have you guys been living in for the last fucking 30 years that you know that shit? Sucks. Anyways, great show. People should go watch it. So Phil Mickelson reemerge. We talked about this real quickly. It kind of reemerged.

There's one swing of him hitting a golf shot. And then he registered for PJ Championship, the United States Open. And he applied for an exemption for the first live Saudi golf tournament in London, really kind of putting the ball, I guess, in the PGA Tours court in Jay Monaghan's court in terms of, you know, he is applied for an exemption, which is the same thing they have to do when they play in any event that's not sanctioned by the PGA tour. I don't know what the hell the tour is going to do because they did grant exemptions for players, if you recall, to play in the Saudi event in February. That's up against, I believe, the AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro-Aand,

but I think part of the deal was they had to play in the AT&T or something else within the next year or two. So like they granted it with a contingency. I don't know what the hell is going to happen. I don't know if they're just going to not allow the exemption for Phil Mickelson, but something's happened. Things are moving a little bit for Phil. Yeah, the swing looked good. He had a lot of recoil.

I saw, like, one of the tweets was, like, people thinking that, like, Phil, the demise of Phil Mickelson's game are, like, greatly exaggerated. Like, the guy's got swing speed. He's popping still. Yeah, I think that Phil's going to kind of, it's crazy to think that, like, a 51-year-old or however old he is now, Phil Mickelson's going to be, like, reinvigorated to, like, prove people wrong and like try and like have this crazy like edge over people on like he wants

to prove everyone that he's an elite golfer he's going to go out and win like imagine phil miclinson is in contention of win a major fee like like gets led into one of them it's going to be the craziest storyline ever of like a guy like coming back from everyone hating him like will people hate him if he's in the final like grouping like will people root against them it's going to be crazy storylines once phil comes back i'm actually looking forward to it He's certainly putting the pressure on them to make a decision, which is, like, kind of fascinating. It's been subtle and basically, like, long decisions. It hasn't been, like, rapid fire going back and forth, but the pressure is definitely on Manahan and team to, like, make a call, which is very intriguing.

And I think he'll get a warm welcome. I do, too. I don't think Phil, I think the, once he just, once he just returns, there will be a quick, like, day or press conference or a few moments that'll get highlighted on Twitter, which means nothing in the world, nothing. And then that'll be it. He'll be thumbs up. He'll be doing his goofy thumbs up.

The crowds will be going crazy. There might even be like Phil Chance. Like nobody's going to give a fuck at the end of the day. Yeah, he made some comments. He had some potential where he was trying to overthrow the PGA tour and people were obviously, you know, narrating it that way. nobody's going to give a fuck. Phil Nicholson's going to return. People are going to go crazy for him. It's going to be an awesome comeback story if he contends in a big tournament or wins a big tournament, which I imagine he will because he's Phil Nicholson. He's going to be in two weeks the defending champion of the PGA championship.

The defending champion. Like he's going to be, he should be on all the artwork and the, you know what I mean? Like that that's what they do. All the highlight packages and the essays from Rich Lerner and shit, they're going to have to include Phil Mickelson doing this goofy two arms up thing and like holding the trophy and the crowds following him and Brooks Kebka up the 18th hole at Keogh. Like he's the defending champion at the next major championship. Like he, I don't know how the fuck you explain that. This guy has now been ostracized by the golf world. In reality, it's a little bit of the echo chamber of the Twitter world.

And in actual reality, nobody I don't think is going to give a fuck. I think Phil should absolutely just return at the PGA championship. he'll do a presser on Monday or Tuesday get it over with and then I think the rest of the week everyone will just kind of celebrate Phil Mickelson am I do you think I'm wrong? No and then Phil it's another opportunity for him to get overshadowed by Tiger Woods

Tiger Woods is playing at the PJ Championship walking around he's got a sleeve on his legs wearing shorts he's swinging the club like crazy everyone wants to see everything that Tiger Woods is doing Phil Mickelson will just show up and just play a practice round probably come to the Tulsa Tango the night before and everyone's going to be like let's fucking go Phil let's just play golf people have made bad comments before and they just still continue to play on the pGA tour people have made mistakes and they continue to play on pga tour tiger woods has made many mistakes and continues to play on the pjutor and be one of the most celebrated athletes of all time phil mickleson can't make one or two quotes that we hated on him for and said he was fucking an idiot and he's a he's a dumbass and he should be yelled at and smacked on his hand but we're never going to let phil mickleson play golf again he's phil fucking mickleson it's sport when have we ever like not allowed guys to play

sport. Like everyone makes mistakes at the end of the day. Like Pete Rose is the only one that we've ever just like continuously just not let him come back, which is just insane. But like Phil Mickelson is going to come back. And if anyone actually cares about that, they're, they're insane. They're insane people. I mean, look, Ray Lewis murdered somebody. He was just on the coverage every, every week. And everyone's like, yeah, it's good point from Ray. You know, it's like, what are we doing here? It's like the guy made a couple comments. I think he'll be told. Totally fine. I think it's just the echo chamber from Twitter. It is what it is. Another really interesting part from the Bob Herrick book I'm reading is there's a quote from like late 1997, early 2008, where Tiger Woods himself talks about Tiger Mania.

And he goes through that stretch where which Bush Harmon on our very podcast talked about how Tiger came and changed his swing after the winning the 97 Masters and he had like a year and a half lull and all that. Where Tiger himself says like, yeah, Tiger Mania in early 1997 when I was winning all those tournaments and I won the Masters. Tiger Mania, I think, reached its peak. Like, it'll never be anywhere like that again. I mean, that was 25 years ago. And think about how many times Tiger Mania, in 2000, when he won every major by a billion shot, in 2001 when he won the Tiger Slam, in 2005, when he hold out that ship against Christa Marco. And then 2007, 2008, when he came back after his father passed away and he won all those majors again,

then Tiger Mania, after all the scandal in 2009. And then when he returns, in 2008, 2018, 2019 wins the Masters. Now Tiger Mania is at such a point where in Tulsa they're flying fucking helicopters over his practice rounds. Like they thought 25 years ago Tiger Mania had reached its peak and it's probably over. The guy is still, after everything he's been through, he's bigger than he's ever been. I mean, he dominates everything. He shuts down cities when he comes in for a fucking practice round three weeks beforehand. So now to kind of relate that to Phil, like we're saying, Phil will be fucking fine.

He probably should be texting Tiger like, you know, you're playing the PGA, right? All right, I'm coming. Like, um, what time are you doing your presser? I'm going to do my presser five minutes before you. And then as soon as Phil is done with this presser, nobody has any time to digest any other quotes or questions. And they just go straight to whatever Tiger Woods is doing. They should do them simultaneously. He should be like, I'll make you a deal with BGA championship.

I'll play in your fucking tournament. But I want to do my press conference the exact second the Tiger Woods starts his press conference. I agree. What would the PGA be like, no or not? We don't want Phil. Of course they want Phil Bickles and come play at the PGA. All right. Defending champion, holy shit.

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that responded to a tweet of mine. and Ty, Ty says, The Open Championship, are you guys going? Will there be a party slash social? The barstool tailgate at the Natty Shack, which nice, I'll throw back there,

at the 2017 Masters was Prime. Would be great to have a forward play set up at the Open. And Frankie touched on it earlier, but we are going to Scotland for the first time. We have never been as a group. I went for a couple days by myself. Lurch went with a couple buddies when he kind of parlayed it on a work trip, I believe.

But other than that, we've never done Scotland, We never put out any videos or content from Scotland. So we are going over with our friends at Taylor May golf for, I think, 10 or 11 days leading up to the Open Championship. We'll play in like seven or eight different rounds of golf. We're going to be in the pubs. We're going to be checking out a bunch of the sites, the scenes, the cliffs, all that bullshit. So we're going to be in fucking Scotland.

I don't know that people know that. I think we're going like basically very early July, right around 4th of July, all the way up until the Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday of the British Open at the old course at Santer. And we're just going to be in the mix in Scotland. I'm crazy excited. You know, there's a lot of times where you set up, you know, one of the coolest thrills that I get, you set up a trip to a place that you know is awesome,

and you get a couple of your best buddies or your brother, your dad, and they come out and they experience something and you get to like witness them, experience something that you love and watch them love it. It's such a cool moment. And now in Scotland, we're going to be seeing, all kinds of different places that I've never seen, that lurches never seen, and it's going to be such a cool mix of like, yeah, we've been there before,

but really none of us have been there before. And we're in a foreign fucking country that is the home of golf. It's going to be probably the coolest thing for play overall as like a trip, as a total experience that doesn't include Tiger Woods or some enormous celebrity. Probably going to be the coolest experience that we've had as a group. Without a doubt. And the production value will be off the charts, being able to film that type of topogical I know Brendan Jones eBug is gassed up to be able to fly the drone over there in Scotland.

I can't wait to see the type of stuff we get. I mean, I'm just picturing fog and really green grass and just like rolling hills and sheep running everywhere. I'm excited to get to Scotland. I have no idea what to expect when it comes to the food. Is it like, what's like Scottish food? Is it like Broughtwurst and stuff or similar to that? Is it almost like or is it like obviously? it closer to Irish food, soda bread, sourcress.

I think it is. Yeah, I think it is. You know, look, I wouldn't say Scotland's known for its food, for being honest. It's similar to, you know, like, I think that whole part of the, that part of the world, the United Kingdom. I don't know that they're- Bangers and Mash. Yeah, I don't think they have. I don't think the food's a top on their radar.

I think it's just a poor food. Yeah. Yeah, like London, London's maybe my favorite city I've ever been to for a lot of reasons, but the, the biggest negative is the food, sucks there and you know England Scotland Ireland there's a lot of positives about them we're going to highlight them I think overall their food kind of sucks okay so so

that'll take it down a peg a bit because I do like to experience good food one of the reasons why I love New Orleans so much was because the food was outrageously good I'm excited I'm excited for my game there I'm excited for to be able to just kind of spray the ball

over the place and now with like my new Dr. Brett McCabe my new process Maybe I'll be all to maneuver my way around those tight greens and those rolling greens and bump and runs. And it'll be fun. We'll see if we can we can put some good scores up there. I'm really excited. I'm nervous and I'm excited. What are you nervous for?

I don't know. New country, like going all the way over there. You don't know what to expect. Do they drive on the other side of the road over there? Yeah, it's just like a whole new thing. It's just taking me out of my little zone, which I don't even know if I have like my own zone anymore. We just travel so much that I don't even know where the fuck I am. I was walking into a restaurant last night.

And I thought I was in San Diego and I was in Alabama. I was in Birmingham, Alabama. I don't know why I thought I was in San Diego. I was just like we were in a place. Dude, it was fucking weird. I don't know if it was because we were walking into a restaurant there reminded me of a place that we walked into when we were in San Diego. But like for a second, I'm just like, oh, it's such a nice weather here. And I was like thinking of myself, like, where the fuck am I for a second?

Birmingham, Alabama. Just so wrong. I do that. I wake up in a bed and you're like, where the hell am I? I do that a lot when at Barcelona classics, you know, we meet like 100, 100 guys. They're usually fans and golfers and they come through every 10, 20 minutes. You chat with them and they'll be like, oh, you guys are on the road a lot. Where did you guys come from?

And I'll be like, I have no idea. Totally. What? I'm like, they're like, where were you yesterday? I'm like, I don't know. I literally have no clue. It takes me a couple minutes. Can you make the questions?

little easier, sir? Yeah. Slow down, dude. Like, Jesus. I don't think you're ever prepared to be a traveler of this magnitude. Like, people love to say they,

like, I want to travel when I grow up. It's like, this is different type of traveling. This is like, we're going to the same types of places. And they're amazing. I'm not going to play.

I fucking love going to golf courses. But like, we travel to a city, we go to a hotel and we go to a golf course. Like, it's just all like, I don't remember one golf course over the other when it comes to the city. It's just like, I don't know where the fuck we are,

especially the Barso Classics. You're like, I can't remember. It's not like I was at the bean. I was just at like out of golf course. When I go when I think back to like where I was, I'm just seeing green. You know what I mean? I'm seeing bunkers.

I'm seeing pins. I'm not seeing like the landmarks. Right. Every place I've been has like a restaurant and a bar at a golf course and an airport and a hotel. That's pretty much it. And like unless I'm like paragliding off the edge of the cliffs of mower or something, like I didn't travel there.

I just like there's no fucking different. I need help with like. capturing where I'm at and living in the moment. That's something that I'm struggling with. I feel like the last two or three months, I haven't actually soaked in anything. New Orleans, I definitely soaked in.

I remember the restaurant names. That's funny, because I think you're better at that than most of us are. Like, when we went to Myrtle Beach, you like made us go to the Pirates voyage. And when we go to Disney, when we're in Orlando,

you're like, we have to go to Disney. So I remember those because I did that. So I need to be better at like constantly doing that. more strenuous and it's like it makes you more tired and it's just there's so much more added to it but like that's the only way I remember the trips like I remember the Pirates for it. I remember everything we did in Disney. I remember everywhere we went, the days we went, what places we saw, what rides we went to. I remember like New Orleans, all the restaurants, but like, I don't know.

I just don't like even, I don't know. I just don't remember much like about these other cities when I just go to the golf course and come home. I just like, I don't know how to capture in my brain. Like you're so good at remembering golf courses and holes and like what we fucking shot. Yeah, but I can't remember where I was yesterday. You know what I mean? My brain does not work like that, man. I don't remember what I did yesterday with Dr. Rett McCabe. I can't remember what hole I made the birdie on.

What are you supposed to like sit here in Bama? What are you supposed to go to Bass Pro Shop and get a fucking fly rod and go fly fishing in the street? Like what are you supposed to do? You know, it's like you just want to go to a hotel and go to sleep so you can fucking catch your flight the next day. Oh, yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. A reminder when you, you know, a good way to help really cherish the experience is truly go get some truly hard sell to. Yeah, really good.

Derek says, is Frankie a mental case off camera? Does he just cook it up bit for the content? Yeah, I would say that you're definitely a mental case off camera. But I would say we're all pretty much what people would suspect off camera. Yeah, I mean, like that when the levy breaks thing happened, like just no, that was just as natural. of a fuck up and just mess as you can possibly imagine. I don't even know if Lurch was on the show when that happened. I got a good text for my mom and sister to listen to every show

who's just said that was probably their favorite story in the history of workplace. It's tough. 80 million songs. Hey, Frank, you were here in New Orleans. What's your, you know, if you had to pick a walk-up song, what would it be? When the Levy breaks, I'm going to go away. Just so oddly specific to the terror and death that,

happened. How many songs are there on Spotify? 80 million or something? I guess 80 million. I know it was also a stat where it was like 40,000 new songs are uploaded per day to streaming services or something like that. You could have picked any other one. I could have picked a song you wrote as like a seven-year-old, just anything. Anything. Doesn't matter. Where the hippopotamus is are. Like just anything like any song. Where do my sneakers go at night? Oh man, that's that Rick Shorette song. Ed. Ed says, do you think the earth weighs more or less now than it did a hundred than it did a thousand

years ago what? More more? Has to. Even if it's so slightly significant. I mean, even if it goes, why would you say more? Why would you say more?

There's just more. Oh, no. If you're going to throw some stat on me that like, no, I don't know. I'm just, I'm asking. I don't know. So like a factory being built has to have more weight to it. But guess what it was built from?

Yeah, I know stuff that was already here. That stuff didn't, like, they didn't go get that stuff from Mars and make that. We get hit by an asteroid or anything? We get hit by an asteroid. Do we get smacked by something to give us a little bit extra from outside? Oh, fuck. So there's nothing. So like, so weight and mass has nothing to do with, like, compounding, like, these elements together.

It doesn't become heavier. You think I fucking know the answer to that question, Frankie? Like, if I took, like, 10 trees and I smashed them all together and made a block of trees, that's not, in fact, heavier than they. the 10 tree separated. I don't know. Is that like, I don't know.

I really don't think so, but I don't, look, I don't know if you can, can you change the mass of stuff that's already here without introducing new stuff? That would be my question. God, that sucks.

Because I thought for sure, like, I was going to say stadiums and fucking, just not right, man, because like, yeah, all that shit's already here.

What the fuck am I talking about? The weight's just already, uh, we're so insignificant. it's crazy. We are extremely, extremely insignificant. Dude, I was watching this fucking thing on Netflix the other night. They were talking about the creation of Earth.

And I mean, the years that they're throwing out there, like, four and a half billion years ago, four and a half billion years ago, there were just two Earths, basically. And like the two Earths, like, ran into each other and one of them broke off into the moon. and the moon, like, every year, the moon moves like three centimeters or millimeters further away from Earth. And in like millions of years, the moon will just leave.

It'll just be God. And then we won't have any tides. And then you're just looking at this stuff like what, like at some point, which is, which has been talked about many times. At some point, like the sun is just going to suck in all the planets, right? And it's going to like blow up and suck it all the planet. And then like, what? what we did for our 80 years on Earth, like what in the history of the universe and solar system

could be less significant than what happens in your life on day 10,057 that is going to be compared to four and a half billion years of the Earth flying around the sun. I don't know, man. It sucks. And we're talking about a golf podcast. Fucking sucks, dude. Our bones are wet.

Our brain is floating and floating. by the way that's another thing so like dr brett mccabe was like yeah your brain is like floating in water so like you need to be hydrated or else you can't like think correctly said that to you is you're trying to hit a chip shot we were just in the car he's like are you hydrating i was like no he's like well like dehydration leads to like basically dehydration makes you more prone to like the bad thing entering your brain because you're not as alert dude he talks about this thing called the funnel which his so good. He draws it on the golf on the card, the scorecard. And I'm going to like leave it to him to

explain it. But the funnel is amazing. It's the way your brain perceives and like is like conscious and like moments of like hitting a golf shop. Like there's like a step where it's like here's step one. This is what happens. Step two is very critical. Like what are you going to do there? Because then that affects step three and step four. He writes it all out. It's just like it's this funnel where if you do the wrong thing, it flips it flips the funnel the wrong way into your brain, into your mind. Our minds are fucked.

Yeah. How like one thing can just trigger so many other things in your subconscious that you don't even realize it's happening. Yeah, it's horrifying. I got some messages from people being like, oh, like, do you believe in like snake oil and voodoo? It's like, I don't know, man.

Like, I just think that there's got to be a reason why these guys, like John Rom, and fucking Billy Horshill and all these guys like they attribute a lot of their success to just a guy like Dr. Brett McCabe where it helps it helps them just think through their process. They're the best athletes in the world.

They need that extra edge to be like, how do I perform my athletic ability at the highest possible rate? And it's by thinking. It's your brain. Your brain can fuck you up. Look at fucking Chuck Knoblock on the Yankees in like the 90s.

I couldn't throw the baseball to first base. One of the best athletes on the planet at the time. He's a second basin for the New York Yankees. Could not do it. Ruined his life. Legitimately, go look at a picture of Chuck Knoblock right now. And that's not physical. That's his brain. You'll screech. I can't do that. I would, you know, between the planes and Chuck Knoblock, I can't do those things. But yeah, our brains are fucked. The world is fucking useless. Like, we are all useless and our bones are wet. Let's go get some breakfast. Yeah, let's send a good message out there.

What do you got your big Rutgers hat on today, Lurch? No, that's Rangers. Rangers. It's a big R. Kind of looked like a Rutgers R, doesn't it? Is that like the Rangers, like, minor league team? Rochester? It's just a big R for Rangers. You sure it's not Rochester?

Yeah, it's not Rochester. All right, I'm going to go get some breakfast. I'll say, I want to acknowledge that the people that are listening to the show on Thursday morning. There will have been a Blues game since then. So some of the stuff we discussed at the very beginning, you know, we're recording Wednesday morning at about 9 a.m. So whatever happens, I do have the Blues Money Line again

tonight. They're 5 and O against the Wild so far this year. I don't see any reason that that will change. We're going to now throw it to a fighter. We're not really fighters on this show. So having one on, we'll be interesting in a new dynamic. He and Gary is going to be on the show. So enjoy him. we got to talk first about Celsius real quick. Celsius is what helps you stay active as energized. We are just discussing how important it is to be hydrated, how important it is for your brain to be fueled by the things that it needs to be alert and operating properly.

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Everybody, I'm going to say fly safe. Fly straight, right. And let's go blues. Let's go Rangers. Here's a question I have, too. How come every time you see the globe from space, you never see all those like the trails of the planes from the pictures? Probably too small.

Okay. It's always this like beautifully clear blue globe. But then when you look up, you see all these fucking, you know. Jet streams flying around. Yeah. But I think when you're looking up, when you're looking up,

you're looking up from like those planes are like, you know, what, five or six miles above you? And when you're looking down to the earth, you're like a thousand miles. So that's a huge difference. difference. It's a good point. Thought through it. It's a great point. I'm not going to be on this interview. So just asking what it's like to be like the opposite of what golf courses, like the snobby golf courses people love.

Like this dude's a legitimately a cage fighter showing up to golf courses. Like these old crusty men that like like like to have their shirts tucked in and like have fucking finance jobs. And they're like, no, what's your 401 gig? This dude legitimately pummeles people to a pulp right before they're about to die. and then he, like, lets them tap out. He literally has a job where someone has to tap out before he kills them. And then he shows him to the golf course and, like, sips on fucking transusions and, like, holds the pin for, like, Dr. McCabe as he, like, putts in his bird. It's, like, the most opposite life of all time.

It's pretty hilarious. I love it. Yeah. I'll ask him that. I'll say Frankie asks you X and then I'll ask you. Yeah, I like that. All right, boys. Everybody have a great weekend.

Fly safe, travel safe, be safe. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. All right, folks. We're joined here on the foreplay golf podcast for the first time, I believe, in our history by a fighter. He in the future, Gary. And I was just telling you pre-show that I did a little prep work with our guy, Octagon, Bob, Robbie Fox, who does a lot of our UFC stuff.

He had very good things to say about you and said you're a big golf. I am. I absolutely love golf. Obviously, Robbie is a legend. So shout out to him. He's an OG. I like him a lot. Yeah, I'm a fighter, but I'm obsessed with golf.

So I got to ask you, this is coming from Frankie, who's on a flight right now, so he was devastated that he couldn't make this. But Frankie had a very good question. He's like, you've got to ask him because he's a fighter. He legitimately for a living, like, murders people to the point just before they die. And then he arrives at, like, golf courses and golf clubs. Is there a big sort of contrast? Is it like a weird feeling that you're this best?

badass fighter and then you roll over these country clubs with their fucking dorks with their stutterers and all kinds of stuff is it's just like a weird dichotomy? I mean I like I I love the aspect um of the general public people think golfers are dicks and I'm like yeah I'm a dick so I can't I can't sit here and say anything else so yeah I'll just agree with that same yeah I have no choice um it is it it is funny because I am here and I train down in South Florida and I'm training with some of the best fighters in the planet and we beat the shit out of each other every day

that's what we do like we're all friends, we punch you to the mouth, we try to meet each other, and then I'll happily go home, have a quick shower and go jump out on the golf course. So it is a massive change. But in regards to mentality, it's not really though. The mentality behind golf and fighting are very, very similar.

I mean, at the end of the day, there is someone trying to beat me up in the, in the Octagon. There's someone trying to beat me up in here, but it all depends on what I do. It all depends on how I perform. If I step in there and I'm not in the right head space, I'm winning. I'm fucked up, right? I'm going to get kicked the shit out of. And if I show up to a golf course and maybe I'm rushing and I'm not ready and I'm going out, I'm going to have a shit game of golf.

It's the same thing. It's like, if I show up, I'm excited, I'm ready to go. I'm excited. I want to show. Maybe I've got a new club. Maybe I'm trying to shoot new shots or play different styles. It's like that's going to have me more excited to play well. And it's that mentality of if you're in it, you're in it.

You should do well. It's really funny because Robbie was telling me, he was like, you know, he was chatting with meatball. And she was saying that she thinks the sport, the game that's closest to MMA is golf and was talking about the mental aspect to it. And here you are right away saying, and making the same comparison that from the mental approach,

MMA fighting is closest to golf, which is hilarious because culturally, I don't know that you could have two sports that are further apart. So you think that's pretty true as well where you kind of compare a lot of the mental approach from golf to fighting. I think there's a lot of mental,

look, the mentality in regards to any elite level sports is all, the most important part of the elite sport is your mentality. Some people are naturally giving. Some people have amazing talent. Some people are war courses. But if you don't have the right mentality in any given sport or anything like that, if you don't have that right mentality, then you are beatable. like you can be you can be broken down and beat and whether that it's just going out and playing around I don't know if you take the young guys right you put them all out there and around with Tiger Woods at his prime and you've got I don't know you stick Marikawa you stick Victor Hovlin you put Tiger Woods out there

those guys are going to feel intimidated by that guy Tiger Woods why because they know that he plays golf every shot is like his last shot like he plays that he is the best golf in the world and that that ball can go in the hole, even if he hits it from a drive. Like, he's that good. Like, that is how good he knows he is and the world knows he is because of his mentality and his work at.

And I feel like golf is very, very similar in fighting in regards to you're only as good as you are in here. If you start, how many times have you been stood, you've hit a shot, it's not on the green, but it's just in front of a bunker and you're safe. Many times have you stood there,

there and gone, right, I've got a load of green to work with. I'm just going to chip this nice and casually up over the bunker and let it run towards the hole. Many times you thin that port with duff and stuck it in the bunker. How many times? I've done it. I've done it millions of times because. Oh, yeah, probably billions, probably billions of times. And I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it billions more times than you. But you, you know, what's amazing about that is that you, you know, the second that you start thinking, I'm going to flub this shit into this bunker and make double, then you flub it into the bunker. But when you approach that shot and all you're seeing is this beautiful pitch that lands five feet onto the green and rolls out, how much more, you know, consistently you're able to hit that shot. So, I mean, look, I'm talking to somebody who fights people for a living. Clearly, your mental toughness is going to be off the charts. You know, I got to know how you even get, how do you even get into MMA and fighting? Because you seem like a, a lovely, friendly fellow.

You're very engaging, you're very conversational. You know, people would think all the time in order to be some badass MMA fighter who's undefeated and kicking the shit out of people all the time. And you must be this total savage who just lives to like eat other people's flesh. And here you are. Again, pretty chit-chattie, friendly fellow who likes to talk about golf. How do you even get into fights? So firstly before that, I want to just go back to that point, right? You've done that 100 million times.

You've done it as many times you possibly can remember. Probably every round you've done it if you've been in from the bunker, right? If I ask you to step into that cage and fight another man, are you going to think. think you can win or you're going to think I'm going to get the shit kicked out. No. And that's the same mentality. I'm going to literally call my mom and cry and run the other day. And that's the mentality.

If I go into that cage and I think, oh, shit, this is a tough fight or I'm going to get beaten, you're going to get beaten because you're going in there already losing. Just like when you line up before that shot onto the green over the bunk, you're like, fuck this is a bunker in front of me. I don't want to get in the bunker. I don't want to get in the bunker. What do you do? Whereas you think, this is a nice shot.

I can flop this up over, land it. That's how it works. It's just about that, like, switch. you have to turn it on in here. Can you sense when somebody, can you sense when somebody believes you're going to beat the shit out of them? Oh yeah, you're seeing the rise.

That's something that you have to have. That's where you have to have IQ. Like, you have to be able to judge someone's movements. And this is, to go back to the question that I was saying, you asked me there. I feel like I'm born to compete.

It doesn't matter what it is, but I'm born to compete. I have a massive fucking ego. Like, it doesn't matter what we're playing, what we're doing, best at it. And I don't, I might have never done it before, but I'm going to be better than you, and I'm going to show that how good I am at it. That is just my attitude. When it comes to fighting, I've just always enjoyed the idea from a young age of, like, causing violence, like hurting someone

in a controlled, but beautiful way, if that makes sense. No, it does, right, because there's an art to it. I mean, just like, Clearly, again, golf's different. It's perceptually different. We're hitting, you know, you're hitting like these shots in the air. But, you know, it can, on one level, golf can look violent, right? Like sometimes when Tiger Woods used to swing in the 2007, 2008, like his swing looked violent. But also, there's such an art to it and the follow-through and Freddie couples swing and the way the ball flies and it cuts and draws. And I would imagine people that really are, are, are, know a lot more about MMA and UFC and fighting than I do. There's clearly a very. beautiful art to it. And even as someone who's a bit of an outsider to the sport, there's an art to how primal fighting is. Right? Like we're all competitive. That's what we love to do. But it's just as real and direct and mono-em-of-competition as human beings can. 100%. You couldn't be it couldn't be more right. Like that's the nail on the head there. Like it is primal. It goes back to years and years and and years and years of what we probably would have done if you come into a village in a range.

forest or whatever it is. It's like, you want this land, you want to take over, you've got to beat me. And that was where it would have come from. It's like, it is, it goes back to those tribal, those tribal kind of ancestry that we have of like, this is my land. I'm a protect this, but everything I've got. And you see that with like animals. You see like apes. Someone comes into their territory. It's like, hold on now. This is where I'm in, I'm king of this little pond or I'm king of this little couple of trees. If you want to come in here and take this and you've got to go through me. Obviously, look, the technique is the main thing in fight. You can be a fire and you can be slopping, you can win fights.

But the minute you come up against someone who's got technical ability and knows how to use that and has a good mindset, that's a smart fighter. And that's what I would consider myself as. And that's why I've always said that when I'm done fighting, I'd love to make a go going pro of golf purely because I know if I spent all the time that I do working on my technical. ability in jiu-jitsu, wrestling, strike and strengthening condition just to get better so that my body is fast and just all these little movements to increase my muscle strength,

my output so that I can push a pace and fight. I could do all that. Get rid of all that and spend my time at golf for a year. I'm going to get myself a golf coach. I'm going to get a caddy. I'm going to go play golf at 9 a.m. every morning on three or four different courses and little work shots. I'm going to

be so consistent with it. It's technique. right i'm going to swing my shots the same way i'm going to rotate my body i'm going to follow through i'm going to just hit those same shots consistent and that's the thing it's about tempo and consistent if i can keep that every single time i can only improve and that is it's the same we're fighting consistency and just worry we always uh hear the biggest cliche which is everybody's got to play until they get punched in the face you know for you to talk to you to talk about, you know, you're a smart fighter technique. How different and difficult is it once the bell

rings to, or do you even at all think about those things? Because, you know, in golf, right, you have, you have time. You know, in between swings, you can, you can work on your technique. You can exaggerate. You see everybody from Tiger Woods to you and me doing it. You know, once the bell rings, once your opponent comes running at you, you know, with Fiss of Fury, it's sort of you've got what you've got. So do you think about technique at all once you're in there? Or is it just instinct? Is it a mix?

It's instinctual. And I guess the best way, look, this is a golf channel. Let's try to keep this. I can try and make my comparisons mostly golf player, right? And this is the best way I can say it. So yes, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face, right? However, how many times have we seen, we've seen some of the. second shots in golf have all been from outer trees.

We've thought, like it comes to mind you've got like Macaroid, Bubba Watson, Tiger Woods, all these amazing second shots. They've had a bad shot off the tee. They end up in the trees and they've got to make some miraculous shot, whether it be a draw or a fade out and get it kind of to run onto the green and stop, right? Now, we've seen that many, many, many times. And the reason that those shots happen is because you're only as good as your bad shots are. and how you recover from.

So for me, getting points in the face, it's a part of fine. Getting kicked in the leg, it's a part of fighting. But that doesn't mean that it's a bad thing. It's just, right? I can't go in there and expect enough to get touched at all. I have to take some to give some. But when the whole thing comes together, it's like the best in the world know how to recover from one bad shot.

And that might be that one stiff gab where your head goes back, with that one shot that you've hit off the tea into the trees, if you can recover from that, then that switches the whole balance of the fight or the golf game. How many times have you played golf and had a sloppy par? We've been more proud of that than hitting two straight shots than a birdie. It's so true, and it's, you know, it's reflective of life, right? I mean, that happens in everything, and everything that you do.

And you make such a good point about, you know, these guys at the top. level in golf and we're going to keep making the golf comparisons which i love because it's a golf course yeah keep the golf going out always yeah you're right and that you know these guys work so hard on the range and they work so hard in their pre-round warm up on every part of their game they can tiger woods can hit a three wood or a driver dead straight he can hit a cut a draw high low medium no problem on the range you get out on the course you spray one into the trees and it's like okay you know here we go and it's like that in every sport that that's that you're that you follow or that you're a fan of in the same exact way that you're talking about is where

no matter how well you prepare, things are going to go wrong. And it's not about, it's never about only perfection and only going through games, sports, matches, fights, life, whatever, without, you know, having imperfections. It's about recovering and how you handle them. And it's like that every day in life. It's like if you, yeah, you're going to wake up, you're going to make your bed, you're going to have your fucking coffee. And then within second, shit's going to go south, man. I didn't get my coffee this morning. Because my wife dropped the fucking glass.

I'm broken, so I couldn't make coffee in the coffee machine today. So there's what happens. I didn't get my coffee this morning, right? There you go. There you go. And it's not that you don't have to live life without these things happening, right? You have to figure out how to react to them and not melt down. And if you melt down or if you don't handle them right, now it spirals out of control and things.

You're not happy. And you're right. and you start to affect other people around you and whatever. So it's really interesting to hear you say that. And I imagine, you know, it's pretty, it's pretty easy for me riding around in a goddamn golf cart with like a, you know, double vodka transfusion to like get over a bad shot. Of course. It doesn't really matter. It's got to be pretty stressful when like someone's coming for your livelihood and your face and your family, like to try to beat the pulp out of you to recover and like handle it and remain calm when, when, when you.

you're in the most primal battle of your life. Agreed. Well, first, the adversity is a beautiful thing. Like, you can look at it two ways. You can kind of go, fuck, why has this happened to me? You can go, unreal.

Let's attack this head on and let's conquer it. And let's, let's grow, let's get better. And I suppose my attitude on all of that is when you say to me, like someone's coming to attack, like attack your livelihood and they want to beat you up

and they want to take everything that you've worked for and fucking flush it down the swatty. I'm in control of that. That is on me. For me, I'm the one who makes the mistakes. So if I get punched in the face, it's not his good work. It's my negative.

It's my fault. I made the mistake that allowed him to punch me in the face. I've hit that slice and put it at the trees. Now I have to make up for it. No one else, no one else can tell me that they hit me so good that they completely tricked me. It's my fault.

I'm so good at what I do. that I should see everything coming. And if I get hit, it's my fault. No one else. There's no one else to blame. I can't say, oh, when he was just fasted me, or he's stronger me, or X, Y, and Z, they're all excuses.

And that's what it is. Whereas if I go, no, it was my fault, I need to fix it and I need to get better. That's what it is. For me, it's about mentality. It's about owning up to everything that I do and knowing that if I'm getting beaten wrestling, because American wrestling is so far,

for so just for far advanced to most of the world other than Russia. It's like if I'm to sit here and have that attitude of, oh well I mean he's just so good. It's simple, no. First, yeah, okay, he's better than you. But how do you get better? You're just going to see him complain about it all day? Are you going to fucking go in there

and try beat him up? And you're going to try take him then. Are you going to try change the tides and be in control of that? Because the only way I can, I can outrestle someone who's a better rest of me is to get better, is to grow. And to go in there one day and wrestle, fuck them. and sit there and yes

fuck the young about a rest of you now let's go and that's the attitude same with golf if you're hitting bad shots if you're if you've got one club that isn't on and you're hitting that shot and you're hitting that shot and you just can't fucking figure it out why it is and then you just don't hit the shot again and then you say I don't know say it's a 56 degree and you go to know what I've got a 60 or I've got a 52

I'll just hit a different shot it's like you can do that that is changing your game to fix a problem that you have, but you're not fixing the problem. You're just kind of avoiding it for the moment. Whereas if you went to the range after or before and just hit that 56 over and over and over again, change your foot position, change ball position,

change the attack angle, whatever it is. You'll figure out what was wrong. And then you'll make it better. And then you're okay, we all have these little checklist in our head right before we hit a shot. We all kind of find that feel. We get our aim. We line ourselves up.

We make sure that our, our feet and our heels, everything is feeling right. We make sure our arms aren't feeling too stiff. Our back is loose. Everything's ready to rotate. If we don't do that, we're going to hit a bad shot. So if I don't have the right setup for a day of train, if I don't kind of stretch my body,

if I don't have a little warm-up with the guys beforehand, I can't expect to go in there and play as well fighting, go in there and train as well as I would, or fight as well as I would, if I was to just get above the couch and go. Same with God. You know, just get up off the couch, get in your car, go stand on the tee and expect to hit a fucking 78. It doesn't happen.

So in terms of prep work, right? We're talking a lot about, you know, trying to mentally feel like that guy didn't beat me there. I kind of beat myself or I didn't execute properly there. How much of your prep work for a match? Like what percentage goes into self-improvement and looking at your own technique and style and execution versus studying the shit out of your opponents

so that you know their moves and their game strategy inside now. So this is where I'm very different to most of the MMA public. Anyone in MMA is where I'm different. I couldn't give up for what someone's

going to try to do. I couldn't care what you were going to try do to me in the cage because it is my choice what happens in that cage. And if you might be a wrestling, you might be a striker. Whatever you try to do,

you've got to deal what I'm going to bring to that carriage first. And in MMA, we see people drop out every single, it happens every single card, someone drops out, someone's sick, someone's injured, they have to get a short notice of placement. I never ever want to set my game plan on another person and what they can bring to the table and then it potentially be changed around. Whereas if I was just focus on me and just it all be about me, it's always just me that I focus on. If I just focus on what I want to do to improve my game set, so maybe I want to shoot a faster double leg,

maybe I want to improve the speed of my hands, maybe I want to work kicks to the legs. If I improve all of those, then whoever is standing across that cage is fucked, that's my attitude. It's just whoever it is, I'm going to show everything that I've been working on, and I'm going to use you as my fucking canvas

to show the beautiful art that I've been working on. are you surprised at all that more people don't have that approach, right? Because if you make yourself the most indestructible weapon in the fucking world, then literally no matter what anybody else does is not going to matter. I mean, it's not going to, like, no matter what their technique, their strategy, their style, their game plan, how could it matter if you are just better at every facet of fighting than they are? Yeah, I think there's two. you don't necessarily have to be better at all those aspects.

But I have a massive fucking ego. And I think there's not a lot of people whose ego matches. A lot of it's probably confidence. A lot of people probably don't have a confidence, right? It goes back to the first thing we talked about. It's a lot of mentality. I believe that no matter who you put me in that fucking cage with it right now, I can,

I can beat. I don't care who it is. If you put me in that cage, I can find a method to victory. sure that person may be phenomenal at something they still have to deal what I'm good at and they still have to deal with my skills and how I approach a fight

and also my energy on fight week is different I'm so fucking loud like you literally hear me before you see me because you hear me shouting down the hallway I'm so loud I've got so much energy I'm always game to fight and I'm always game to talk to chat shit stir the pot

that's what I do best I was like I chat I annoy people I keep poking so people get annoyed and I don't stop because I'm like if you want to fight let's go I'm game like I'm always ready to go and so a lot of it a lot of it is due to confidence

and mentality and also in understanding of I know how fucking hard I work and I know how good I'm going to be I know how much potential I have and I know how much I've already touched to that and I know how much further I can go with the hard work but I still believe right now

that I'm good enough to be a world champion. As of right now, I can only get better and prove how good I will be. Man, it's insane how much confidence matters in every single part of life. Like, if you, every part of life, obviously fighting the top level of sports, golf, like golf, if you stand up to a tee, and you're just confident that you're going to hit the failure, or you're going to hit this hard, like, cut. You just fucking do it. Like, whenever you're thinking about the technique, where you're like, oh, man, I hit some bad ones on the range.

and like I'm going to try to hit. Like, then you hit a shitty shot. But when you step up and you're like, no, no, I have a driver, there's a golf ball. I'm an athlete. I'm just fucking hit it. You just fucking do it all the time. Just rip and rip.

But like it's, there's a lot of it that is just in our, in us, okay? How many, and like, let's go back to something that you would have experienced years and years and years ago when you were a kid, right? And your friends, that circle of friends and you were a child, how many of them would have just been more confident around women or more confident when they were speaking to girls because they just have confidence and that's something that matters you know what I mean like it you can see the difference and then some other people

going uh look I like her but I'm probably not just gonna talk just because I'm a bit nervous it's like great so you just fucking roll a set right and get I and have that confidence in yourself to go well what's the worst that happens you get turned down do I mean and it's that mentality of going right but then if she turned me down fuck her I'm better than her anyway she just deserve me dude it's like that honestly yeah it's like that in in You know, when I go to check a bag at the airline in my golf bag, I know it's like 56 pounds, but like it's got to be under 50. Like if I approach that, that agent and I'm like, oh, I'm so fucked. I'm so fucked.

I never get through. But if I approach it like, of course I'm going to get this bag through. Nope. I'm chit-chatty. Like, I get through without an issue every time. It's like, if I'm hungover and I'm groggy, I'm like, oh, there's no way they're going to let me through. They never let me through. 100%.

And that's the way it is. The amount of times my misses has been like to me, we need to fucking go. We're getting on the plane. I'm like, it's fine. We'll be there in five minutes. The gate closes in half an hour. And she's like, we've got to get through security.

I'm like, look, I have a tattoo on me for a plus sign for like positive energy. If you put positivity out there, you will get it back tenfold. You just have to have that attitude. And like, just be yourself. Be good. Like show people. Pass that positive. positivity around and that's everywhere that doesn't mean just like that means even when you're

feeling shit still make people smile still fucking put on that kind of front be like I'm good yeah I could complain but I'm not going to do you know what I mean all is good life is good because every day we wake up more breathing it's a benefit right because you could be dead that's the attitude you should be having a what an attitude what a what a just little life lesson this is for everybody out there listen it's kind of it's not kind of it's very motivational very much like you can apply it to everything from your profession to your travel to your fucking coffee in the morning with your wife like you can just literally apply it to everything so when's your next when's the next fight you're officially i got to tell you're officially the four play golf podcast

mma guy you are you are our guy so now you know we have to make that official we have to go we have to meet up we have to get around there as well and we have to make that official show off the skills we have to get we have to get around then you're going to we're going to get you out there in front of the YouTube audience, in front of our social audience, and, you know, these,

these, this delicate golf community that's out there is now they've been, they've been desperately looking for a fighter, you know, whenever they just want to, they just want to punch one of their buddies in the face for being cheap or never buying drinks at the 19th hole. And they've always thought about that.

They're going to personify that through you. They're going to channel their inner ear and Gary. They're just going to go, you know what? You know what? You're our guy. So when they're looking, they're like, all right, that Ian Gary, that guy that's my man, my UFC, my MMA guy, when are they going to see you next? When can we root for you in the cage?

So there has been no contract sent, no talks yet. I did tell the UFC that I want to fight in Vegas, international fight week for two reasons. One, I want to fight in Vegas. I love Vegas. So I got married. It's awesome. I love it. Two, I want to go play Wolf Creek.

just saying. It's awesome. Dude, I can't wait. There is, like, obviously there's the courses like Pebble Beach, Augusta, that if we could all play St. Andrews that I'd live to get up and see. But, like, number one of my list is Wolf Creek. I'm like, I've never seen a golf course that looks that beautiful. And I'm like, that's the one that I want to play right now. The rest, like, I'll hopefully one day eventually play.

But right now, that's the one I want to play the most. Dude, it delivers. like you have to sign a waiver where if you drive your card off like a cliff and kill yourself that they're not liable, it's that crazy, but it is awesome. And it's one of those. I mean, I had seen it on the Tiger Woods video game, you know, and played it in on the video game. I just assumed it was a video game course. Yeah, it looks like it, right?

Outside of basic, yeah, like a world of the Sims that you can make a course like this. It's phenomenal. You're going to love it. I can't wait. How is your golf ground at the wrong? What are you shooting? Talk to me. Let's get into the actual.

Let's get into golf. Well, look, I'm kind of what I've been. I'm like a four right now, but I can shoot 90 or I can shoot 75. I got down last summer I played really well, and that was the worst thing that could happen to me because I thought that's who I was. But it's like, at the end of the day, we are who we think we are. And so it's funny, dude, because like at the time, I just had endless confidence. Like my handicap got down to like a 1.8.

My buddy's like, there's no way you're 1.8. And I was like, no, no, I'm legit. I'm going to kick the shit out of you. and then I just kept playing well. Then I had like one bad day where I just suck dick. And ever since then, it's like my confidence just melted down. And now I have good rounds here and there, but I'm not. Again, you just got to.

Look, pretty inferior. Every time you stand on the tea, right? Every time you're ready to tee off, you've got to fucking stand there with your dick out and go, I'm going to fucking nail this. This is going to be, this is the drive that everyone sits saying, oh, wow. And that's the one that men, men, they're men. The mentality then when you hit that driver and stand up first, I have no problem

standing up on the tea. I played a scramble recently. We played a, I played down in Miami, you played a celebrity golf tournament. It's called Celebrity Sweat. And I had no problem. It was playing a scramble. I'm like, yeah, I'll put my fucking ball down. Boom. So yeah,

many years need to hit. It's good. Let's just go. Why bother? Just take time. I'm not going to get better than that. That's the attitude. And literally the amount of times that like I'd walk up onto the tea or onto the green and I'd be like, sorry, I got it. And I'd sink the fucking port and I'm going,

it's all right, let's go on to the next one. On to the next one. Let's just keep doing this. It's about confidence. I want it. If you were a one point day, you're a fucking one point day handicap.

That's it. End of. You can sit there, get your app up and show your fucking mate and be like that sick the film with me, fuck you see, I told you it was. There it is.

Eat it. I'm obsessed with you. You're absolutely right. You got to, dude, you got to, you got to act and believe like you own the fucking place. And if you do, you will just get what you deserve and get what you want out of any. Every building that I walk into, I'm the fucking man.

I own it. I'm like, I'm the fucking, I'm the shit. It doesn't matter what it is, where it is, who I'm with. I am the fucking king in that room. And that's it. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're the biggest sports side on the panel, I don't care if I'm stood there with the lights of fucking the goat, Brady, or I'm stood there with.

Ronaldo's like, I mean, Carrie, I don't care. I'm going to sit down and pick your brains because you're elite sports first. I'm the fuck of man in here. And that's just the attitude. And yes, it is absolutely ridiculous for someone like me to say that. But that is why in a couple of years, I am going to be one of the best looking fighters of all time because it's my mentality. And no one can see her and tell me otherwise.

No one. That's our guy. That's why you're our guy. Come on. We got to get you to fucking Vegas. We got to get Wolf Creek A win in Vegas You got to get married there for fucks

Yeah 100% Come on Got the whole shit I fucking married there I love it Yeah dude Dude that look Well let's play some golf

We gotta sync up We gotta play some golf together I gotta come to a fight I've never been to a fight I've only watched them on TV So we got a lot to accomplish What you need to do You need to do is he needs to go

To boy Robbie Fox And short that out as well She's all get the whole Bias to a crew You head down to USC Where are you based out of Primarily is Vegas or New York So I'm based out of Scottsdale, which is obviously not far from Vegas.

It's a 30-minute flight, so I can make it there easy. Okay, well, what we do is we get all your boys down to Vegas. We'll all come, we'll all go down, we'll play a game out in Wolf Creek, we'll shoot the fucking lights out, tell me we'll put the world, and we'll show everybody what's up, and then afterwards, I'll go in and knock someone out, and we'll sit back and we'll just enjoy it tonight. I'll get myself a pizza because that's my celebration. What a weekend.

What a goddamn weekend that is. 100%. I love it. All right, Ian, you're the man. I appreciate it. I know you're a busy guy. You're training, you're grinding. You're beating the shit out of people.

So good luck. Stay in touch. Let's play golf. Let's get to a fight. 100%. I don't have a beating people up. I want to go play them golf. My wife is like to me this morning, let's go do some work.

I was like, does work involve my driver? She's like, no. Let's go work. Man, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much. Pleasure's mine. We appreciate it. Yeah, good luck.

Let's get out there. Let's play. Let's fight. Let's do it all. I'm always game. Every day, all day. Thanks, Ian. Take care, guys.

All the best.