Fore Play - Patrick Reed is... Good?

Episode Date: February 25, 2020

Patrick Reed, amidst plenty of controversy, wins in Mexico. Does he deserve the hate he gets? What about Bryson? We discuss this, the NHL trade deadline (not a hockey podcast), the Premier Golf League, and MUCH more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of hockey talk. Trade deadline is legitimately happening. We're in the last hour of it as we record. It's crazy we're recording this golf podcast in the last 30 minutes of a trade deadline. With a lot happening with the...

I mean, the islanders are about to get Zach Parise, son of J.P. Perese. One of the best islanders of all time. Will you be just devastated, though, if they don't get him now? Because you basically resign, like you think he's on your team. Dude, I've got, I've been talking to players being like, we have Zach Parisi on our team. Like, we guys to play with like a really good hockey player for the next five years. Who's getting pumped up?

Well, there's a lot of guys on the Islanders that just don't make them a contender, like Tom Kunakl and Leo Kamarov. Guys that are like good locker room guys, but they just don't have the skill like. They're not Zach Pariza. No, like last night, the Islanders won a hockey game with Tom Kunakle, Leo Kamarov, Otto Koivola. Not Marge in the lineup. Not one guy has over five goals. And Lad, not one guy has over five goals.

You bring in a guy, Zach Parizé, regardless how much money he's making. I can't wait to see what they do with the money. It's crazy. I don't know how to feel. And you just traded for Pajot. Everyone's like, you got fleeced with all these fucking picks. We signed him for $6 million, $5 million. A million and a half less they cried a guy.

Crazy. How are you feeling large? Luz is just making moves. I like that. I have a GM that finally is saying, let's try and win something. Everyone's like, oh, those picks. Moves are exciting. No matter.

No matter whether you could be a little, feel like you're getting a little fleeced or a little beneficial or whatever, but just moves in general, you just want your team to be making. And I know picks are important because, like, and then once the draft comes around, and you're like, I want picks.

Like, I want this young, cool stud. That's how you get, like, your John Tavares is and the fucking Connor McDavid's and stuff. But at the end of the day, like,

if you really want that pick, you can also trade for a pick at some point. Like, just make moves and show your fan base, especially moving into a new arena. You have to re-time Matt Barzell. I'm so psyched that they're actually making, moves. They never make

moves. You have to make moves. You got to score. I'm in a somers. I don't even know how to feel as a Rangers. Well, the Rangers now... The Rangers are we... Car accident. Car accident. Crazy. Devastating. I mean, Igor was like the core of this little run of the last 15 games. And now with the accident... Which in and of itself is crazy because of how much time we've spent on this

podcast. Talking about Henry Lundis. Being like Henrik Lundquist is like the reason that they're even having a decent record and all the saves. how he's like the, you guys don't understand the quality of scoring chance. We literally battled here. What are you talking about? We battled on this show all the time.

For weeks. Rick, they've tossed it out just a different goalie as the ball. They've tossed their Hall of Fame, all-time great goalie to the fucking, I'm speaking, so stop speaking over me. I speak over people.

That's my thing I do. You're not allowed to speak over me. He's not going to stop. Like, I just said he's better than average. This guy's an asshole. Better than what you think? Who speaks. I was literally next.

You can do this all day and I can't do it. That's my thing. I speak over you and you listen. Well, you have a little baby voice, so when you have a baritone, you can't. People are probably fucking driving off the road right now, not to make a joke about the crash. But I didn't want to do that, actually.

That was not, that was no pun intended. Nobody thought that it was. Should we take a roll in silence? No, that's crazy. Nobody thought that it was. You guys have tossed a Hall of Fame hockey goalie and the guy that you guys call King Henrik to the side onto the burner.

Faster than I've ever seen anyone put their franchise saving player on the side than I've ever seen in my entire life. So go back through what I said. I was on the fan of trading Hank when they traded steps years ago. If you're going to get a little worse, get a lot worse. And so I've always been a proponent on that side. I did always think that he was better than what you gave him credit for. And early in the season, he was actually playing quite well, which I agreed with.

But had shit stats. That's what we like talking about. I don't, I was always against his contract. His contract was too much money for a goalie. And I wanted to actually get rid of him when they traded steps, but I'm not the management staff. I'm just here giving my take on it. Then sidlining Lundquist is you're saying like the core reason

that they're all of a sudden now on a run. Well, this kid is like Jordan Bennington. Like he has been fantastic. He's been the best goaltending prospect in hockey for the last couple of years. It's awesome to see this kind of athlete in net. Because you didn't have one before? No, we had one. I'm just saying.

It's just hilarious that for 20 years of my life now, it feels like the Rangers have always talked about how you have this incredible goalie. The team's playing so well with Panera. We can trust scoring. He's had King Henrik forever. And he's been phenomenal for years. And you haven't won anything. So why is like having a new. Well, no, the team is just playing also they're so like jailed right now that it's a joy to watch this hockey club.

I don't know. It feels like when like Peyton Manning was the best quarterback in the, and then he, end up winning one. But Peyton Manning was the best quarterback in the league, but like at some point, like he just wasn't winning at all. Like he didn't win the Super Bowl. It's like, well, I mean, how can you be the best? And then he finally won one, but that was always the talk, where it's like, you guys always talk about this guy. And then you get like Andrew Luck in there. It's like, you guys have always had a good quarterback. Something else has to be wrong. And if Hank had the scoring that Igor has had in his little stretch when he was in his

prime, like the, we never had a goal score, a point getter above like 55 points. And now to have a guy like Panarin that's a trusted source of points, we can actually have a real hockey club. So anyways, we're a golf podcast. Patrick Reed has won the WGC, Mexico. It's his fifth, I'm sorry, it's his eighth win on tour. He's got quite the resume. He's obviously been Captain America.

He hasn't been as good of late in team events, but he built up the reputation as Captain America, dominating at Ryder Cubs with Speed. He's got the Masters. He's got two WGCs, two playoff event wins, eight career total wins, which is more than Brooks Kepka. So Patrick Reed. Well, no, it wasn't a body shot.

It was people in the biz, you do that for perspective. Because a lot of people might be like, oh, shit, wow, Brooks Kepka is considered maybe the greatest player in the world or one of the top two or three players in the world. So for Patrick Reed to have more wins than him, that's very surprising. So you kind of do that for, you know, a little bit of relativity, theory of relativity. Anyways, winds down at WGC, Mexico. We, Lurch and I yesterday, bet on him. So my new move is I like to wake. I like to bet obviously on people at the beginning of the week.

That almost never works out. No. With the exception of Justin Thomas, the first term of the year. But I like to wake up Sunday morning and bet on somebody. It's just when you sit down, you're going to tune into the coverage. It's awesome to have a vested interest. It just changes fucking everything. You just want to have somebody to root for.

You know, the leaderboards pretty much, you know, who's it's always down to a couple guys or a handful of guys depending on how a bunch it is. You pick one, find some odds, have yourself a good time. Well, pick Patrick Reed. He's plus 350. And he's only one stroke back. And Justin Thomas was 15 under, and he was like even money. And J.T, if you recall at the, when he did win out in Hawaii, it was like he shouldn't have won.

I mean, it wasn't like he's closing out tournaments. Like, you know, it's a no brain that he's going to win golf tournaments. So I didn't think J.T. was necessarily a lock. and then the Van Royan guy who was behind him was tied with Reed so I was like oh yeah Patrick Reed at plus their 50 that's a great value well then obviously you're going to root for the guy that you bet on people very clearly put a tweet or two out about how like hey I bet on Patrick

Reed so I'm rooting for him people are like this is a horrible take that's not even the take that's just like oh it's money well it's just logic it's like if you bet on someone you're going to root for it why would you bet on someone and not root for them that would be crazy I agree when Bryson blew that pot past, P. Reed was still at plus 137 when I logged in. Then I shouted that at the bar, took it, pounded it. Some kid down the bar was like, I just heard you, and that's value. So we were going crazy.

So Patrick Reed gets the win. Incredibly controversial every fucking week. There's more statements from different folks about Patrick Reed being a cheater. It was last week it was Brooks Kepka and Kostas came out, you know, calling him cheaters saying they've seen him cheat in different instances. he's getting yelled at by the gallery, different, you know, they're trying to bring it up in the interviews

about the incident, which happened in the Bahamas, where he very clearly improved his line in the bunker and everybody's been calling him and she ever since. So any time you get that and then him winning, there is a small piece of me that gets such joy out of how much golf Twitter hates Patrick Reed. Totally.

I'll root for Patrick Reed outright. I don't need money on him for me to root for him. I think it's great. It really, It's a storyline guy. It's a spectacle. I'm a storyline guy and everyone should be because like he wins now. And then people are like, oh, shit.

Like I were talking all this shit about him. And then, but if he keeps winning, it doesn't matter. Yeah, they'll be like, oh, you're cheating. He'll be like, I'm just making tons of money and building my resume and I do not care. And the quote that he said that I knew we're going to get to, it just sounds like that he is protected from all the outside noise. And he just has to show up, play golf, win a tournament and then go back home and stay protected. It seems like a pretty decent life. Yes, and it is funny because we've obviously talked at length, at length on this show about Justine Reed running his Twitter accounts, running all of his social media.

And he essentially confirmed that. He was like, they're asking him how you stay focused during tournaments. He said with what my wife does, what my mother-in-law does, what my managers do, what Kessler does, his caddy. And my coaches do. All I literally have to do is just show up, play off, go back, rest, hang out with the little ones. There's not a lot of extra, just kind of energy being burnt throughout the week. Then he goes on to say like off weeks, I might look at some stuff here or there. So essentially saying, no, like my team and everybody, they look at stuff and handle all that.

I don't do any of it. And I believe him too. Some guys would say this and I'd be like, shut up. Everybody looks at their headlines. Everybody wants to know what people are saying about him. He very much strikes me as a guy who doesn't pay attention to anything. And if he even sees it, he's just like, oh, well, that's weird that they would say that about me. And then just keeps it moving.

At no point do I think he's like trying to get his phone, be like, let me see what these people are saying about me. I think he plays golf, goes home, plays with the kids, does whatever, and then goes back and plays golf again. Very much. I think that's spot on. And there's just a, I get a certain joy out of other people being, like, infuriated. And they just can't grasp it. They can't handle it. They can't live in a world where Patrick Reed, who may or man out of cheated once or twice, is able to go out and win golf tournaments.

And another crazy dynamic to me is that, like, he's very clearly now. the micro scroll all time like there's no evidence that he's like cheating in this tournament so he goes out and wins like fair and square and wins the golf tournament but it feels like people still like after this tournament like half of the questions are all about like the incident in the bahamas and that to me again i get that like it's a fever pitch it's on golf twitter and all that but like this is a totally different tournament and we're like dozens of tournaments or whatever a dozen tournaments down the down the road now yeah and he clearly like there's no evidence that no we even talked about him like cheating in this tournament he just came in started a brand new

tournament played four rounds yeah won it shot the lowest throne rounds and like and then that's all he gets asked about that's like that was in so part of that seems a little I don't know weird to me I think I think it's weird as well but I don't see it going away an extreme example would be like all of the games that the astros are going to win in this upcoming season people are going to be like oh well you know that thing happened last season you guys are probably still cheating. I think he just, I think they look at it that same way where cheating is cheating and they're not going to, people aren't going to let it go away. It's something of that even when there's no evidence of it, zero, there's cameras on this guy all the time. He's in one of the final groups. People are still

going to be like, oh, he probably cheated to win. You know what I mean? Yes, which is, it's fair and unfair. Yeah. It is. And it's, you're right. It's never going to go away. I guess people yelling stuff from the crowd and different, you know, prominent figures in golf from players to commentators and whoever else constantly making quotes and statements about it is going to make it like resurving. I mean, all the guys we've had on, we had like Chris DeMarco on. Like he called Patrick Ria Cheater.

So it's like no matter who you're talking to, it's going to get brought up. So I understand that. But a part of me, it's like people won't even let him like let it be considered like a fair win. Yeah. Almost. And it's like,

no, he just went out there like this time and just beat everybody. Like that's just what he did. He just played better than everybody else. Yeah. Once a cheater, always a cheater, though. Is that what you think? That's the line people are going down.

Many people say that. You know? That's the thing people say for sure. It's just hard for people to overcome that. And it's like a real principle of golf. Not the only reported incident. It's like other times. People have shared some other sentiment that it hasn't always been truthful out there on the old course.

Boy, do I get some enjoyment out of, I don't have to bet on Patrick Great every week. It is just, it's fun. It's just a fun world to live in. There should be a line item. Will Patrick Reed cheat this week? Yes or no? You could take that. but it's i've gone back and forth on this guy so much i think i love him so i'm not we got a picture

especially the way people handle a picture of him in the studio he looks like a guy that i would like he's smiling he's got his w gc trophy but he's so hateable that he's almost likable yes that's what it is that's pretty much what it is so he makes people so angry yes that's where i get my enjoyment riled up that like i don't know if i have to respect it yeah i don't know if i love him but i love the fact that people get so upset about him that i like him it's I'll say this. When he is near or threatening the lead late in a tournament, Twitter becomes must scroll through. Yeah. Must.

Yep. And there's a lot of players who it's not that exciting because you know what people are going to say or they're not going to say much because it doesn't generate much chatter. When Patrick Reed is starting to make a charge and his name starts to get up towards the top of that leaderboard, it is must watch because you know everyone's going to freak out. you can't miss it and you have to stay in tune on Twitter. Your text groups start to blow up with people that have hot takes. They're either pissed or rattled. Maybe they're on the same size. He just delivers.

He kind of like makes it happen. I had an interesting thing happen over the weekend. I was watching golf at the apartment with my roommate Robbie Fox, who does not follow golf whatsoever, although he was the producer on this show. Yeah, the first several months. But he was like, what's so interesting about Patrick Reed? And I like didn't know where to start. And that's what I like about him. Like if somebody comes up on the screen, Webb Simpson takes a lot of shots in the show.

But Webb Simpson comes up on the screen. What's the most interesting thing about Webb Simpson? It's like, all right. Well, I don't know. But if Patrick Reed comes up on. He uses hybrids. Yeah. What's the most interesting thing about Patrick Reed?

It's like, I mean, how much time he got? Because he is so interesting and polarizing that we can talk for an hour about this. Where would you even start with Patrick? It's like when somebody says, like, what do you do for work that has no idea what Barstall is? It's like, oh, I don't even know how to explain it. I think I just started with the word polarizing. we went from there. And we just talked about the Bahamas.

What did Bob Fox think? He thought it was really interesting. He's a guy. Where'd you start? I started with polarizing. I think I started with the Bahamas thing. I know it goes way further and it goes in different directions than that. But the most current one I went with that and sort of branched off from there.

But Bob Fox, he's a pro wrestling fan. He's like, this dude's a villain. He's a heel. He's a heel. And I'm like, would you call him a heel? He's a heel, yeah. Never heard that. That's, I believe.

You never heard a heel? No. Like that guy's a heel turn? A heel turn? Nothing. You turn into the bad guy. Okay. Yeah.

Heel turn is like correct. Like people were tweeting at me like sick heel turn rigs because I just became a huge Patrick. You're either, I believe, and I could get this wrong, you're either a face or a heel. I didn't know the, I didn't know you could be a face. Face is a good guy. Heel's a bad guy. Okay.

And Bob Fox is like he's a heel. I'm like, yeah, he is. You could be a face. I want to be a face. Speaking of moon face. Oh, yeah. Come on. It's good.

I've been getting those tweets now. Me too. The guy is incredible. Guys everywhere. fast. He's everywhere. You can't miss him. A lot more Patrick Rewalk to come. Unless you are Brooks Kepka, you're going to have to practice a lot if you want to lower your score. I guess we could use a lot of different names there. But when you're playing every day, it can really take a toll on your body.

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He's, of course, another headline guy. I mean, they're probably the top two. Pound for pound, they have to be the two biggest headline guys in golf. Is he a heel? Mm. Nah. A little bit. But he doesn't want to be is the difference. A heel almost like leans into it.

Yeah. You purposely turn heel. Okay. Right. Okay. Bryson is like he doesn't even know. He wants to be liked. Yeah, he wants to be a face. He wants to be a face.

Bryson, three jacks on 17, ends up losing by a stroke. He hangs around afterwards, congratulates Patrick Reed, and then they interview him. I'm like, you know, hey, why'd you wait around to interview or to congratulate Patrick Reed? Nobody likes Patrick Reed. Nobody likes Patrick Reed is kind of what they were trying to get at. And he, Bryson went ahead and said, I congratulated him because he's a great player. There's been a lot of stuff said in the past years. I guess you could say with him and even with me, and I feel like unfortunately sometimes we get quite a bad rap.

Yeah, there's things that we've done that have. haven't been right, but we haven't gotten the best rap, and we're trying to provide great entertainment for everyone. You know what? He's a great player. He'll be a great player for a long time. And yeah, I have to respect his game. We're coworkers right. And we understand each other's pain sometimes. All right. I mean, I feel like at some point, the person with the microphone just walked away. Yeah. Like, but right before the were coworkers right part, he's talking to nobody. I don't know how somebody got that quote, but we're coworkers, right? The person's like, all right, So you just stuck around to be like, you're trying to be, all right, Patrick Reed is disliked.

I'm just like, oh, yeah, but we're still great players and we're good people even though we've made some mistakes. Hey, man, nobody likes us, but we got each other, right? You know what I'm saying, bro? Just dumps him up. Patrick Reed's like, I don't know, man, I'm just trying to go back to my house. Did I have wife scheduled this meeting? It was, um, the, you know, the guy did ask something about like, oh, so you guys are, like, kind of in it together or something that. And then he kind of was like, oh, I guess we're like, I don't know, we're coworkers.

I don't want to make Bryce and Madigan. And if something gets pulled out of context from this podcast, he's probably going to be mad at us. Yeah, he was mad at him. Trans-Sawie. Sawy. Sawy. Don't get mad at us for writing bad things about you. Andy Sawy.

Okay. That's from the office that we're not making. I guess now we are a little bit of fun of Bryce. Oh, yeah. No, that would. That turned. I just think he's soft sometimes. I agree with that.

Just factual. Oh, he is. Yeah. And there's no doubt he is. I mean, the whole reason that we're in a fight with him right now is because he was very soft. is because he was very soft. Let me ask you this. Good look getting me on your podcast.

Dude, come on. Don't write stuff like that. Do you guys find yourself rooting against him? That's what I do. Do you guys find yourself rooting against him the end of this tournament when he three jacks? What's your feeling? We had money on Patrick. Oh, that's going crazy.

He blew it by. You obviously can't take that part out of it. Go. Go. Get the fucking water. I don't root against him like going into a tournament. When I know that maybe we'll have like a mental breakdown, when I know that he's going to go back home and like stare at all of his.

like bowflex gym stuff inside his room and like why didn't i make that pot like and just dismantling his brain and putting it all over his counter table and just be like i need to be better i just love the fact that it drives him fucking nuts yes one of his quotes was i've got to rethink what's going on with the putting a little bit yeah so like i love that he like everyone's like bracing and come have some asparagus he's like not now not now makes my pee smell bad and i need to figure out why i can't put And it makes him fucking go nuts. I like holes in the walls and everything.

I like the fact that he got insanely jacked and that everyone, every analyst ever said that there's no way that that's like the right answer. And then now he's playing really well. He had a second place finish yesterday. Last start before that was a tie for fifth. And the last one before that was a tie for eighth. So he started to trend and play really good golf. I like that. I like that like he's doing what you're not supposed to do.

Like he got crazy jacked and it's actually seems to be working. He's bombing the golf. ball. He's high up there with strokes gained off the T. He's hitting it insane distances now. And that's just not supposed to work. Everyone said that that would fail. I like that. I like that he's proving it. I don't know. I don't think my answer is that I don't, I don't root against him. I just see him up there. I don't actually feel one way or the other, to be quite honest. Same. I'm kind of with you on that. Like, he doesn't move my fanhood one way or another. Yeah. I don't not root for him and I don't actively root for him in pre-tournament.

Yeah. I think that's, you know? Yeah. But I'm on Ritchin side where I'm happy for him, like, that he went out, looks like, honestly, a square out there with, like, a club coming out of his body. He looks like a brick shit out. He looks so big on TV. Power to him, power to all the finishes and, like, the success he's having, even though it didn't go his way on Sunday. Like, cinderblock. Yes, he is.

He looks like a square with head on top. He walks around. Like a Lego character. Yes. I agree with that. Like an old video game, like NHL character where that nothing was rounded and they all, like, the square shoulders and square bodies. And then, like, skinny little layers. eggs and they had those score yeah uh what was that game was that NHL hits yeah awesome game yeah

you just played three on three that's pure fun right there we just get this trade done that's not gonna happen that's like Brady Shea traded to carolina really well that's what it says on the website that's brought it on tsn.ca not a hockey podcast no it's just a lot going on where I did I did put our text channel and do not disturb you did yeah smart I don't mind you guys I don't I get why you guys are doing it is a big deal but it's just like it was just too many yeah not for I don't know who these people are. It doesn't mean it's real. It's a little interesting caveat is.

Nice word choice. That like Pajot, the island has just got this guy from Ottawa, which we're not going to talk about hockey that much. But like to get him over here for the Rangers game tomorrow night, he has to like get all these types of visas, like one day, 24 hour work athlete visa. And it's like actually hard to get him here to like work. Work under the islanders. Yeah, yeah. To work for like a United States. Interesting.

Base team. Because he's an Ottawa. He destroyed us in the playoffs. Yeah, he dropped four goals on your nuts. on your nuts I was gonna say he dropped his nuts on your forehead and then it was four goals on your nuts you know how I mixed that up

I can see that right he dropped four goals on your nuts it's the same he's supposed to say he dropped nuts on your forehead it's the same words different spelling for one of them but it's like you can't do both should have been he dropped four nuts on your forehead

nah all right stop yeah we're good Victor hovelin uh one in Puerto Rico made like a 20 foot bomb on the 72nd hole very funny clip he made a triple a couple holes beforehand

looked like he's gonna blow the whole tournament and his response to that when talking about it afterwards he just said i just suck at chipping man preach brother frankie you were getting tagged left and right all over the internet fucking preach man trent boom roast this shit out of you you did boom roast the shit out of me yeah it was too it was almost too easy but yeah it was a layup it was a layup but a layup you have to make it's a very funny clip well he just and you can tell how like genuinely he's like i definitely need to work on my short game man i suck at chipping yeah it was kind of a pleasure to see him share that

It's good because I'm a Oklahoma State fanatic. I have it all over my... You are. I have it all over my laptop. I have it on my golf bag. I have these stickers, the swinging Pete. Go, go pokes. So it was nice to see me and my fellow poke, you know, not being able to play the game of golf.

You know, my favorite college golf team is Minnesota. Yeah, because we went there. Mine's rock. I haven't kept up with them at all. Have any of them done well? No clue. Okay. Die hard.

Oh, fuck. What's his name? I'm blanking on. Somebody big who was just kind of in the mix lately was a Minnesota guy. Hold on. Boy, I bet you wish you could just pull that name off. Big time.

I want to say it was, do you have the first name? Sure, it wasn't just the guy we met in the bar that was a Minnesota fan yesterday. Because we did talk about Minnesota after about 10 drinks, and I'm just wondering if those lines grow up. You got accepted somehow? I'm pretty sure someone was in the news lately.

high up in a professional golf tournament and part of the cool background was that they played golf at Minnesota which people are like that you don't get that very often damn now that hit something in my brain yeah Trent I'm dragging you closer now shit I really wish I could figure that out yeah I don't want to waste the

Eric Van Ruyen oh then Van Ruyen the guy who was just there he goes yeah yes he was part of his story was like he's a Minnesota golfer and yeah okay and he was wearing joggers yesterday which I called a bit of a shit shitster yesterday, which I don't hate. No.

It was like. But definitely going to cause a shitster. I mean, when you put those on as a professional golfer, you know you're causing a shitstorm. Yeah, but remember three or four years ago, Ricky did it in Hawaii and it caused a shit storm. At this point, I feel like if we're still freaking out about stuff like that and it wasn't an actual freak out, nobody really cared. But it was people were like, oh, look, he's wearing joggers.

I remember when Ricky worm in Hawaii, it was like batting down the hatches because we got a problem. Big time. Oh, no, it was like a watershed moment. Yeah, he was wearing high tops. Do you remember? Or was that what they were? No, he was.

Yeah, he was wearing the high tops, and he was wearing the, with the joggers, and the whole thing just mess people's brains up. People didn't like it. Golf couldn't figure it out. Van Roy. Minnesota guy. Speaking of Hovlin, the Norwegian call of his putt was so, so good.

I'd never really heard Norwegian before, and I'm glad I hadn't heard it, because the first time I heard it was when Victor Hovlin can that put, and the people just lose their damn minds. Oh, they were going nuts. And that, I mean, when they do the Spanish call for John Rom, whole in one. Yep.

All those videos where you just throw another language in, throw in the crazy excitement that they get, and it just delivers every time it nails. And that one was really, really good. But good for him. Really young, and he's 22 years old.

Always has a massive smile on his face. Yeah. I've heard he's the nicest kid in the world. Remember we were at Pebble, and he had had a good finish, and he was standing behind the little hangout area, and the people that want to do interviews with him had done him. And he was just standing there, like, alone,

just like, waiting for people to come talk to him. Yeah. And we were like, is that Victor Hovlin? And he had like just turned pro. We were like, is that Victor Hovlin just like, what is he doing? Is he not have a team? And he was kind of just looking around with a big old smile on his face. He was always got that.

Like he just got high? He was kind of like, he had that. Like he just got high? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He always looks happy. I haven't thought of it that way, which is another. Kind of like a sneaky smart.

I don't know. Like you just took a bong rip to the same. He does kind of squinty eyes. Looks like it's 30 seconds after he took a huge bonnet every time. Like he just walked out of the room. There was like a little smoke behind him. Like, what's up, guys? It's like a chipping.

Nothing's going on. I'm fine. I'm cool. Everybody just be cool. He's part of that like Hovlin, Morikawa, Wolf, those guys. Like, that's what everybody's talking about. That's going to be a fun little crew there. Yeah, they're all very young, too.

And they've all had a lot of success early on. So that's a fun, that's a fun storyline. It's when you get the opposite field event, you know, it's always a little tricky, but you can jump up into the headlines with somebody like Havel, making that put, having the comments about chipping. And some of his chips were horrible. He also was hauling out. So, like, he's bad at chipping for being on a PG tour, but, like, he's still pretty good fucking chipper.

Yeah, he doesn't actually suck at chipping, like, Frankie. No, it's all relative. Correct. It's all relative. Yep. But at some point, like, if he's, if he has the yips, it could be as similar to mine. Like, if I could have shot a 91, but I shot 96 because of my chipping yips, then. We played it with a guy with my partner yesterday.

This guy, Scott, he's like a one handicap. He's shanked five balls. Just Cole shanked him. Really? You're telling you, man. I think he had a case of the shame. Because all of a sudden they just appeared. It was kind of, it was crazy.

Was he like this always happens or it's like today? No, he's just like this like snuck into my game like a week ago. Now I've got a case of the shank. Would you say that I'm hitting a wadry off a tight lies the hardest shot go? Not for me, no. No. I mean, I think for me it's just like a six football. Yeah, it probably.

It probably is. But it's a shot that like I feel comfortable with. But I think for the like overall, yeah, I think that probably is. I would say... I kind of... I agree with Brent. I mean, like, just tattooing a drive right down the middle is harder to me than that. But like...

But that's like talking about where you're specifically hitting it. I'm like, I'm just saying like making pure contact with a tight lie with a 58 degree or 56 degree. I feel... I mean, obviously I feel it's the hard shot. Yeah, but I just think it takes like the most hand-eye coordination and like actual touch and feel. Yeah, I would say it's probably the scariest shot in golf. It's the one I'm the least confident in. Like, right, when you stand up there on the drive, it's like, all right, even if I'm in the drive.

left rough right left fairway that's fine yeah if you're up there and you have a tight light chip it's not like all right if i skull this or junk this a little bit i'm fine it's like no you're like you're fuck you got no grass under you it's just you and the ball in the club and it's always pretty much this is yeah but like sometimes you're like oh i have a little mentally like i have a little fluff underneath i can just scoop this thing right up and it's going to go kind of where i want it to go when i'm on a tight lie with if i'm like right behind a bunker and like it's cut real tight tight and like I'm lucky the ball didn't go in the bunker or whatever, and I'm like,

I got to get this thing over this bunker right now with this club. It's impossible. You're looking at it like, you know how when the police helicopter is chasing someone and they use the heat sensors? Like if you had, if there was an anxiety sensor for golf shots,

if you looked at a drive, there would be like little specks of anxiety. Look at a tight lie shot and it would be bright red. That's how I feel about a shot like that. I think that's right. I also think it's your last chance for recovery. Right. That's a terrible.

way to think about it. Yeah. On a drive, right? Like, you can get away with it. Like, all right, okay. You know, maybe I'm 2.20 out and I'm in the right rough. But, like, I could punch something up there. Like, even on your approach shot, like, if you did hit one kind of, like, down the

fairway and then you hit a bad second shot, you're still like, all right, like, I might be able to get up and down. But then when you've got that dial out shot, like, no, this is it. Like, if I don't hit a good shot here, this is our hole's over. Like, we can't. There's no, we don't have any other chances. That's it. So I do think that makes it very, very scary, especially for.

for you. It's real bad. Dude, I, I, I fist pumped in the air when, when I read that we got Parisé, which still hasn't happened yet. This podcast has been going on for 40 minutes now. It still hasn't happened yet. And I think I threw out my shoulder, like, officially. I think I tore a labrum is a labrum in your shoulder. I think I tore my labrum. My rotated cup is dismantled. I have a tingling sensation in all of my fingers because I went, let's go. You know what's hilarious is Frankie goes, we're not going to talk about hockey. He slipped it in like maybe every 10 minutes. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It's all you can think about. But we're not going to talk about how to. The shoulder labor room is a piece of soft cartilage in the socket-shaped joint in your shoulder bone. You hear that? I heard it crack. I heard it. It's bad.

It cups the ball-shaped joint at the top of your upper arm bone connecting the two joints. Yeah, that thing's popped out real nice. Here's another thing really good for you, Lurch, and kind of Trent. It's a really good time because new study shows that it's a great time to be a fat guy. What the fuck just happened? I knew you had to be going somewhere with that. A recently published article from Cornell University, ever heard of it,

found that weight among men is positively associated with perceived persuasiveness. In other words, overweight men like Lertr or Trent, not saying like us. High sales. Overweight men in a workplace are thought to be more persuasive than average-sized men, this study finds. Given the negative stigma around being overweight,

this findings are surprising. What happened? He's just negative. But he also probably somewhere deep his brain today he couldn't persuade anybody to do anything and then he typed something on google and found out this is on barstolesports.com it was just tweeted out it was just tweeted out it just hit me like a ton of bricks it was a blog i think there's a blog that was just published second ago are you jealous it's great news no i'm literally i'm just reading it says nothing to me personally

i'm just one of you're jealous there is there is advantages to being a fact guy there is clearly stated on barstoresfail the big man leadership concept is based of studies for of pre-industrial societies where weight and body status, you always say that. You always say, like, I'm a big man and I'm going to win, like, battles, right? Isn't that like your... I said I would be a better 1960s athlete because I never went to the weight room. At one point... I just feel like, don't you have that, like, I'm big, I win, like, mentality?

No, you guys just say that I'm going on time. No, he has that mentality. Right? Like, you would have won, like, Neanderthal fights and stuff. Like, you are... I would have had a better chance than you. Right. Our findings suggest an evolved bias to favor moderately big men with respect to perceive persuasiveness,

even in environments where there is... no reason to interpret overconsumption of food and conservation of energy as a signal, as a signal of wealth. Yeah, I was to say at one point in human history, being fat was a sign of affluence. It was. Because you're like, look at those old kings that would sit there and they would just eat grapes and drink wine. Yeah. That was like.

Well, everybody else is like, can we get like a crumb of bread? People in jail. That is a really good fact. Which is crazy. So two of my favorite facts that I know. You have a poor person food. Yeah. What was?

Go on, French. I actually can't wait. Two of my favorite facts that I'll like to this throw out there is that lobster was actually considered a, not a, what is the word? Delicacy. A delicacy. It was actually given to people in jail because it was a bottom feeder. And it was easy at the time for them to get them. And they'd just pick them all up and throw them at them with their claws.

And they'd be like figure out how to eat. It was hard to open up. They didn't know where the meats were and stuff like that. So that's number one. Number two is that when we learned in Australia is that Australia was originally like a jail. Yeah. Yeah, they sent all the misfits down. They sent, like, Australia started and was founded by just misfits and, like, criminals.

And now all those people, not all the people, because you could still be coming from another place, but, like, most of the people in Australia, I feel like, ascend from some sort of criminal or, right? Like, if you're just like, if that person, you think they're all descendants of criminals? Yeah. Are they not? I guess I never thought about it that way. Me either. But I guess I'm not going to.

How many kids are convict? Are, like, the criminals having? I don't know. That one you didn't think is for. No, no, no. But the original point is the fact. The second part is my opinion. Okay.

I'm not going to go out and say that all of Australia is like descendants of criminals. This is not going to do. Something to think about it. I like Australia a lot. I like those people. Oh, I love Australia. And I don't know. One of my favorite places in the world.

I'm just saying that's the first thing I thought of when I found out that fact. If you're like us, you're probably trying to get in as much golf time. as possible. We played yesterday, Lurchin myself. It was like 55 degrees out in Jersey. It was a lovely time. One thing you definitely don't want to deal with while you're out on the green is a spam call. Lucky for you, there's a solution to the growing spam call problem. It is Robo Killer. This app is phenomenal. This app stops spam calls for good. They have over 1.2 million spam phone numbers on their block list, adding more spammers by the minute. In the month of January alone, that was last month, ladies and gentlemen, Robo Killer blocked over 18 million spam calls.

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he's going to be he is the reigning players champion his last i think six finishes that i put down he finished fifth tied for fifth tied for third first tied for third tied for second it's an outrageous clip he's firing at an outrageous clip right now and that's with like when they cut to him on the green you just start laughing out loud like you know he can't make a punch and he still cannot finish outside the top five on the BGA tour. He can't put up. If he continues to do this year after year after year and win like one major here or there or however he ends how many he ends up with,

but if he keeps firing off these types of numbers where he's like T5, T3, one, T3, T2, he will end up going down as like one of the most, like we will talk about him as he could have been the guy that like won 50, 60 tour events and 15 majors had he just learned how to put. It's crazy. When you see that the ball from the fairway, you're like, oh, my God, does that make perfect sense? And then when you get on the green, he could have eight feet. You know, like, that's not going to go in.

Like, no one yet. Like, we're watching at the bar at Fiddler's elbow with like 20 people. And the minute that he hits his ball, it trickles towards the hole he's got like 12 feet. And everyone was like, zero chance he makes that. He hit a horrible punt. Missed by like five feet, barely made the comebacker. And again, it's not even when you look at like the stats and like last year, his stats overall, putting, like, really aren't that bad.

But it's like when you watch the coverage, he has no chance. And he was very upset. They've been putting up Hoana Green's the last several weeks. So like that makes it trickier fine. But he could just figure out that putter, figure out how to close. He's so close, man, to being on, I feel like a legitimate tiger-like dominant run. And 2014, I mean, he was. He won three tournaments in a row, including two major championships.

He's won multiple majors by like eight shots. So he's able to just go off and dust people. but he's just got this thing going on. He's got this new Zen approach. He laid it all out in that three-part interview with Kimmage. Like, is fascinating to read his brain. He keeps a journal. Like, he clearly thinks about all this stuff at an incredibly high level and all the time.

And it affects his brain in every way you can imagine. So it actually makes it that much more compelling watching him play because you know that he's trying to figure it out, but just like can't. Yet he's still finishing second, third, fifth every freaking week. So it's just a fascinating thing to watch. He came back and fired what? he had a two-stroke lead after Thursday's round. You're thinking like, oh, coming off the disappointment last week,

he's going to go on a tear. He didn't kind of faded, but then somehow still finish his top five. So some more interesting stuff going on with Rory. It's good money. Oh, yeah. He'll be the richest person in the world. You know, we're being real. It's just good money.

He can't get that damn ball in the damn hole when he's on the green, but top fives every week are going to make a lot of money. Kism made, what you say, $124? I think he made like $125,000-thous, $1,000. T-18, nice little couple days. And, yeah, Rory goes, 5, T, T, T, T, 3-1, T3-2. It's different money.

That's a whole different stratosphere, even in the same tournament. Like, that's crazy money. They're co-workers. Just like, just like Bryce and Patrick Reed. Just a couple coworkers. JT. finished with, what, like, like, 350 grand or something like that? Just these guys, you don't even have to win the goddamn tournament.

We were laughing money. We were like, 703 yesterday. He was going to finish. He made like $350,000. He was the only player yesterday in the top 28 players that shot over Park. We were laughing because we're at the bar. We've got a couple hundred bucks in the line for Patrick Reed, and he, like, shanked one off the tee,

out and then he had the two putt once he was on the green yep and somebody's like oh yeah you got a couple hundred bucks and on this it's like dude this guy's got like a couple hundred grand on these two puns like for 500 grand he needed a two punt an extra 500 grand yeah for you think do you think uh justin thomas bullies you on twitter frankie he owns you i don't know man i don't know if like yeah he owns me but like like what i shoot 95 yeah i know that i'm not a fucking professional golfer i never claimed to be a professional golfer i just claimed to be the golfer i thought you were going to be more pissed at riggs i the rings teed them up and then just it wasn't too man like here's a lob pitch why don't you just crank this thing over

and it's also like it's engaging with our fans and i get that it's fine it was funny and like i went i gave i gave justin thomas the victory with like the walk and gift but you also have misconstrued what i've done with the shooting which is fine i've never i never said i say shot a double i've never said that before i said that there's no problem with asking someone oh what did you shoot there which is so much more which you've literally done to me lurch You're like, oh, yeah. Right. And I was not against you.

Right. I was. And then I hit you back with the SpongeBob. Yeah. Yeah. Because, like, that's what it feels like every time we talk about fucking terminology of golf. And I wanted to go in on Justin Thomas, but like, I'm going to lose that battle all the time. I'm going to lose it every single time.

When the guy who just made $350,000 for finishing, what do he finish? You got no chance to win. Like, I have no chance to win. So when he's like, hence why he, quote, unquote, shoots. a 95 most rounds he plays. Guy can't even use the right terminology. It's like, oh, okay. Terminology.

Did your daddy teach you that when you were three years old at the country club? Sorry, I was making fucking pizzas. I was like, I don't know, man. I don't know the right terminology. It's not why I shoot 95. I'll tell you that much. I'll learn the terminology today. If that makes me a better golfer, then fucking sign me up.

I'll take a fucking class. You want to write on a pen and paper and give me the terminology? We should give a class. Like, I will be a little. worse golfer because i'll be thinking about all these things to say this is why i made that tweet lazy yeah whatever it's now three o'clock the trade deadline is now over zach fruze is not a new york islander as of right now but things could happen let me tell you something about the fucking metropolitan division 301 p m metropolitan division is a shit show

sherry back to pittsburgh this is crazy Yeah, it is I thought you're going to have more than that I was open for another punch there People are hearing about news they've known for Are you fucking kidding me? How dull that's got to be I also said Lamarro on a conference call in 15 minutes

That means there's no Paris A deal You motherfucker I love that you said We probably added that out What No that Frankie said he read something where he said, Porese's on the move to the Islander.

What did you read, Frankie? What? Didn't you read something that Pemise's on the move to the islanders? I mean, everyone talked about it. Yeah, well, clearly that's not true. McKenzie, Drager, everyone tweeted.

I think the word you're missing is potentially. No, no, no. But it's like Rick said earlier in the show, now you just set yourself up for failure. Or like, for like heartbreak. For a man who you go through severe heartbreak. So you need to really. Dude, this is bad.

Paper expectations, I think. This is actually bad. It would be good for you. See, right now. Currently live on the show. There's no way that they didn't get them. How was this bad?

You guys got Petjo earlier. No, I know. That was good. But I mean, Zach Perese, like, and I know how much the players wanted him too.

Like, I was talking to some of the guys are like, we have fucking Zach Pizze coming in. And now that we just like, don't. Yeah, he's definitely not coming.

It's like at that time you wrote that blog. I just don't get what happened. Let's go, Rangers. Blues are the first place team in the West. Business is usual for the Stanley Cup champions.

Well, I mean, the defending Stanley Cup champions are from the west, so that's just not an easier conference come out, so you're not as beat up and you're the West Coast finals. I mean, while we're talking hockey, you guys don't want to talk about the eBug, the previous story of the weekend. Let's talk about the eBug.

We should address that. The eBug was one of the great stories that I've seen all year long. That 42-year-old Zamboni driver up in Toronto, who played and got the win for the Cains with the Toronto Marley's gear on was some of the best stuff I have. I mean, it speaks to the fact that the Maple Leafs can't even get out of their own way. They're an organization that's faltering, had a lot of high promise, and then they get beat in a pivotal game

against the team that's contending for the final spot with them by their own Zamboni driver who works for the Marlies. I mean, you can't write up how bad that is on one side and then how great it is obviously for the storyline for all eBugs out there. And it's nice to know that we have one right here. I didn't, yeah, so.

Oh yeah, you'd love this. Do you know this full storyline? No, I definitely know. It's definitely one of the biggest thing that happened this weekend. But like, I didn't realize how rare it was. I knew our guy, Brandon, was an e-bug. But, like, I didn't realize how rare it was for these guys to actually get in a game and contribute and get a W. But it was the biggest story of the weekend, other than, like, Fury Wilder, it was the second biggest story of the weekend, no doubt about it.

People were going fucking nuts for the e-bug thing. Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was great. They're going to write a movie about it someday. They should. Yeah. Maybe they won't. Him coming to the locker room and all the guys, like, showered him with, like, beers or whatever.

Chills. Hands down that far. Oh, so good. That was insane. Like, if you would ask me, like, I would, like, this never happens. Like, is this a couple times a season or just never? Never. Never.

I mean, Scott Foster got in, I think, in 2017 and maybe like once every other year or every third year. And usually it's for like five minutes and a third. Right. He was in for like the game. 28 minutes. And for half the game. Eight saves, 10 shots. Let his first two shots in.

John DeVaris scored on him. Frankie, you thoughts? Was his first shot? Yeah. Well, yeah. Thanks. Like, welcome to the league. You got John Tavares coming down the slot.

First shot. No problem. Like it's like it wasn't even in there. Typical Tavares. Stavar's scoring on fucking e-bugs. Yeah. But the way the hurricanes... I mean, Tavares went to his hometown team

that he got in his all little pajamas and his bedroom that had all Toronto Maple Leafly's gear on it and he's lost to a fucking Zamboni driver. And Toronto's like burning in flames right now because they can't fucking get things together. Well, they can't stop people from scoring. The way the hurricanes handled it was unreal, like you said, Rob Bindermore made like a speech

and that's all you really need. Like if I'm going to get in, I know I shouldn't be in the game. And I'm going to be like super nervous. But if the players come up to me and say, hey man, go ahead, let in 10 goals. I was like, just have fun. That was an incredible comment. I'm going to be more relaxed.

One of the players told them like, you know, hey, if you give up 10 goals and we don't care, just have fun. That's so cool. That's like, that's phenomenal. So the eBug story, great call. Great call. That was probably the dominant story of the week. Honda Classic week is this week.

The Bear Trap. This course is great to watch PGA National because we like the carnage. We don't like to see a million birdies. You like to see guys backing up. Hit it in the water. You're going to get that on 15, 16, and 17 all week long. I look the last seven winning scorners. scores are nine under par, eight under par, twelve under par, nine under par, six under par, eight

under par, eight under par, nine under par. When you get single-digit winners under par, BGA tour event with how good these guys are, that means the place, plays fucking tough. Keith Mitchell's the defending champ. We had him on a couple weeks after he won last year, really, really good guy, salt to the earth guy, so he'll probably be seeing a good amount of him. And then two years ago, this was the site of Justin Thomas's famous, get in the bunker incident. Dave said he should be heckled when he buys groceries.

That's right. about that yeah was that two years ago already that's crazy i remember we were coming were we coming back from so much i was in an uber on the way to my apartment i remember you know it was cousins retreat that's right holy shit i knew i was in an uber coming back from the airport going to my apartment i couldn't remember what it was for but i remember freaking out that i couldn't like blog it right away i couldn't remember what it was cousins retreat we went and stayed with our boss's parents in del boca vista for like three nights and we had a great time yeah i mean this is a whole other topic but cousin murray constantly on the radio is like we got to do it again he's constantly talking

about different venues different places to go but yeah i can't believe that's been two years ago since the whole just the whole jason thomas thing yeah cousin murray's like let's go to hawaii and so you're like that'd be great but like we'll probably just like go to boston yeah totally anywhere that's different than florida yeah right um Justin thomas two years ago it's i mean we've like we've just come a long way with him on this podcast alone pretty wild really yeah that we're like buddies with him now yeah you know and he just buries frankie on twitter every time I think it's mean. I think he bullies Frankie.

You think so? Yeah. I think he's, it's like Frankie said, like he can never win. That's bullying. Right. I love it.

Frankie. Right. Right. Doesn't talk for a while? Then he just, we didn't get Breese as official. That's brutal. That's so great.

That's so brutal. Just from like, the fact that he, for you. For this show, it's great. Yeah. It's also just crazy that he literally has a no trade clause for every single

team in the NHL. He has no more. movement and he waived it for the islanders because he wants to play with it where his dad played and he wants to play for lu lammarla and open up a new arena was like this whole thing you're mad at the i don't think they could figure out the money i don't think they could figure out the money he makes $7.6 million a year next year he makes like over eight and i don't think they don't know how they can figure that out they're trying to get rid of lad but i bet you like they didn't figure out how to get that done i don't know i don't know what happened

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I think actually our boy Jeff Shackford broke the original story shortly after he was on with us. So I would like to credit us really for motivating him to sort of get out there and get in the game and bring it, which he did because again, he broke this, good for him. But now it's kind of like we broke it. Well, right. No. I know what you're saying.

Like, if you were to trace it back. If you, yeah, if you had to go back and like, why did he break this story? It's like because the four play guys, you know, kicked his ass on the show. And then we're like, oh, I guess I should probably get out there and do something. Boom, broke the news. Speaking of hydrant, you hear those fucking fire trucks out there right now? Yeah. New York City, baby.

Jesus. You know? New York City, baby. The city that never sleeps. It doesn't, especially now with that shit going on. Fucking Zach Grise, man. It's also 3.10 p.m. So it is.

So it'd be weird if you were sleeping right now unless you have kind of a night shift or something. Premier golf league. So it's been, it's picked up a lot of steam in that they've put a face to it. This, I guess, this, like, British lawyer, this guy. Andrew Gardner is the league CEO. They've kind of started to reveal some of the proposed formatting. What I really love about it is that it's gotten Jay Monaghan and the PGA tour have had to come out and make comments and make statements. Like if you compete or are a part of this tour that you are out for the PGA tour,

anytime you, with the establishment and the status quo has to have even the thought of something else coming in. in and like, you know, interrupting their monopoly. It's just exciting. It's exciting for everyone, especially because the tour, you know, we've had issues with them and strictness and this. It's just, you just like to see other competitors potentially emerge. It could make the PGA tour better, even if nothing really happens with the Premier Golf League. People just like that.

They like kind of the renegade, like it's a bunch of rebels coming up and creating a different league. The proposal would be an 18 event schedule of 54. whole tournaments with shotgun starts for the first two rounds. Ten tournaments in the U.S. swings through Europe, Asia, Australia, one stop in the Middle East, plus the majors. This could commence as soon as January 2020. Teams of four players would simultaneously compete for an individual and team prize with a captain deciding before each round which two players' scores will count for the team. One of the quotes that says it's easier to become emotionally engaged with a team and it will generate other.

dimensions of storylines and content. So I guess would you have like, that would be like your squad for the year? Would be, is it almost like NASCAR? I, if that's how I'm understanding it, yes. I have a team name. I like the team. I like that aspect. Frankie's in.

Frankies in on it. Frankie has just picked up one sentence in the last five minutes. I like that. I like that. I like that. Oh, I do like that. Yeah. My mind's in shambles.

I shouldn't have gotten myself so worked up. The Rangers just traded Che. I know. This is crazy. I mean, I don't even know how to feel. As a Rangers fan, I just have no idea how to feel. Resigned Crider, horrific accident, traded Shea. As a golf fan, do you have any idea how to feel?

Yeah. I have plenty of idea how to feel. The Rangers are playing golf real early this year. You're such a loser. That's probably true. Who knows? I will say we're on the run, and now it doesn't feel like the run's going to continue. And do you think that the premier golf league, do you think that it steps on the toes of the Barstow Classic?

Do you know? No. Okay. You don't? No, I think it's two wildly different people. Okay. One's professional golfers at the highest level. The other one is just kind of common golfers like us.

Yeah. But I do like, I think that if more golf leagues are starting, I think it's better for the Barstow Classic. You know, I think you're proving that you can have success. Right. There's not only one way to do it. But I do, you know, I enjoy that question, Frankie. I would like more professional golfers to play in the Barstow Classic. That would be great.

But it's going to be quite difficult because we don't have the backing. I mean, there are rumors that this tour that the Premier Golf League offered Tiger Woods $250 million to be a part of it. We don't have that. Where does that money come from? Saudi Arabia. Yeah, I guess they have a billion dollars of backing, right? So the funding. Isn't that what got Man City?

They just got kicked out of the English Premier League because of Saudi Arabia? they were doing um i think like emmrits with their they were doing some real sketchy payment because i think you're supposed to have like there's certain caps and this that and they were actually funneling it through something different but they got pun it they got banished big time banned two years in champions league um the monahan and the pjutor being like you uh you can't play in this and the pjutor the same time that kind of takes the knees out from under like the whole thing but i think it could be like an xFL NFL situation where the NFL at least the first time around with the XFL years ago, you just sort of see what works for the new league and you

pick it for yourself and you implement it in your league. I think it would be something similar to that. Yeah, the very interesting part about it is that, you know, they traced their roots back like six years when Tiger Woods was not involved in the game when Tiger was like out and they essentially were like, we're looking at the golf landscape and the professional game and it stinks. They're like, it's just not exciting week to week. There's not much, you know, backing player to player. There's not much interest outside of like the hardcore golf fan it doesn't transcend the game and so they're like there's got to be a different way than this kind of monotonous they go to the same courses same every week there's just a new event on tour kind of feels like who cares who wins this week because somebody wins

every week what's the difference so they kind of started to whip up these different ideas of like you have teams and you use shotgun and you can really pair up I mean one of the comments he says that like as a fan he loves the idea of being able to put rory and brooks kebka against each other like every single round Yeah. And like that kind of shit where you can really just kind of like manufacture almost to a degree the best drama that golf can possibly create. And from that vantage point, right, that's very different than the PGA tours protecting everyone. Everyone's a great guy. Everyone's classy.

Yep. You know, live under par, all their kind of BS stuff. And like their lack of transparency, they don't disclose like disciplinary fines and things like that. This is the exact opposite, almost like the NBA approach where like they like drum up the story. They love the fucking storylines. That's what drives. All season is almost more better than the season. It's fucking amazing.

Right. And so that's kind of the approach and the angle it seems like that they're coming from. They have been very clear and stated that it just doesn't work without the players. So like Rory came out and said he's out and wants to be on the right side of history on this. That's tough. That hurts. That's the biggest knee cutter in this kind of segment. That line from the number one player in the world.

And you're like, Roy Brooks. We put them together. Roy's like, no. I'm out. He's like, I don't want to do that. I'm going to keep doing this thing over here. He's like, I'm going to keep finishing in the top five and making like $600,000 a week. It's like, okay.

It's going to be tough without the players. Yes. It's impossible without the players. So that's one of the big hurdles. A lot of people are saying now with like Rory's comment that basically it's over before it even started. But it's interesting. It's interesting to think about it could even be just a thought, you know, provoker for future counter options to kind of what the PGA tour is. I don't know how you get past something that's as established as the PGA tour that's so prominent that's been doing it that has all the sponsorship money that has all the stops, that has all the history.

I just like it's it seems like too big to kind of like get around basically. There's like almost no way to do it. But this has been floated as an idea and it's interesting. I wouldn't hate this guy to just keep poking around because sounds like they just have like infinite money. No, and like you said, yeah, like the more like competition is probably not the right word. but it inspires the PJ tour to try to do something different. Otherwise, they can just keep clunking along and doing whatever they want because they're the only game in town. Bring somebody else in.

They've got to be like, all right, let's brainstorm some new ideas that's going to make this fresh and interesting. Let me tell you this, Premier Golf League. I'll play on your fucking tour. There you go. The four-play team will play on your tour. Absolutely. I'll sign up right now. Yep.

18 events. I, too, I'm going to need $250 million. Of course. I don't need that much. For the four of us. We could take the four of us. It'd be great. I'm willing to go as low as one.

A couple grand would be great. But I'm with you. I mean, I think it like this new, this new set of ideas is only going to inspire a change with the PGA tour. I think from a fan side, I love the way the PGA tour is set up because it only rewards the players that are playing that well. Like, right, they're the only ones that get paid. Right. But in every other sport, the top stars are rewarded financially and it's a set fee. So I do think that's where it has legs because if this tour treats the players better and is a more stable.

and is a more stable set of income, then it could really inspire change. Because if everything is backed by the players and that is kind of the safest way to make money, then I do think that that will really change the way payment and players are rewarded across the tour. The problem with that is like they're only focusing on a smaller number of people and like the best players.

And those best players are already making X and have endorsement deals on the PGA tour. So it's a very hard like sell unless you can make them like double the money. I know, but there's definitely a line there from where they are and where the PGA tour is. And again, to, like, Trent's point of, like, a new league poked around

with wherever the money is coming from because I think that's, like, stated, but really not sure of where the money's coming from and who's fun in it. I think it does help, like, power change. I'd love to see who the first player to flip is going to be, if there is one.

Like, I remember when I first watched the XFL a couple weeks ago, like the first day the games are starting up, and they're like, Cardale Jones face of the league. And they're like, all right, who's going to be the face of this league? Who's our guy? Like, how far do you have to go down in the world, world golf rankings for like we're reaching a point where this guy's like it's worth it for me

to just go over here because these other guys at the top obviously they're not going to switch right they're making and now we're talking happy birthday by the way 44th birthday today happy birthday yeah i was saving it for the end but if we're going to bring him up now happy 44th birthday that's great to the needle zj 44 he's so he's so non-essential that when his birthday comes at and you wish him happy birthday was yesterday yeah that's That's a problem. That's a problem. I wish it was.

Tough. We'd have to, like, do it. We're the only people that know that you wished him his birthday. That's just how not important this guy is. I would love for him to be the face of the Premier Golf League, the PGL. But he is too high. He's too high up. What?

Like, he is. Danny Willett. Right. Think of a name that was like, they're not making enough for it. They're where they are like, I'm with the PJ Tour regardless. I actually think of any name that we can think of won't do it. You know what I mean? Bradley.

a guy that's won a major that's kind of falling off a little bit, there's your face. Keegan Bradley being the face of a golf organization just doesn't do it for anyone. Keegan Bradley cut out of a fucking picture with like four barstow bloggers. I don't know that he's going to be the face of the court. And I love Keegan Bradley. I just wanted somebody to cross the line and be like, I'm with Perlough. I love that the money is being funded by Saudi Arabia. Yeah, exactly.

That's all you know, though. That's a country. It's like, what do you mean? That's also going to make people be like, I also don't. That makes me not want to do this. I think that's why Rory said. He's like, don't tie me to that.

Where's that money coming from? So they said, how would all this be fun? They said, so far, no television right deal has been disclosed, nor major sponsors. Gardner said his group has partnered with Omnacom Sport, the largest media buyer in the United States, and Gardner disclosed that Saudi Arabian interests are involved in the form of the public investment fund of Saudi Arabia.

Sounds like that has a lot of money. The Rain Group, a global merchant bank, is another partner. It is like the big villains. The Saudi Arabia slush fund is like whatever you guys want. Whatever you want, that's making people be like, I don't want it. Why are they so into this Premier guy?

They're like, you know, like they just, one of their young princes is just the biggest Tiger fan of all the time. They're like, yeah. We're going to send a fourth of our budget to Tiger. Just get on our tour. We want that man golfing here. The fact that they led with $250 million, that pocket is deep. Deep. That's a deep pocket.

That's your first number in negotiation. Yeah, $250 million. Saudi Arabia. Every time I hear that name, it sounds like a fake place. And also when someone's like, oh, you'll be paid by Saudi Arabia. It's like, no, no, no, like, give me the company. Yeah, what's... Saudi Arabia.

No, I don't want that. I do. I feel like a silhouette of a man is just going to come out and hand me my check. Just the guy holding a bag full of money. And just he'll disappear. We're Saudi Arabia. He'll be faceless. He'll have no, like, outfit.

He's just a silhouette of a man. You have been paid by Saudi Arabia. Yeah, I mean, like, Rory looks into that. He's like, no, I'm out on that. Like, I'll just make sure that, like, that company, like, Dell is going to be paying me money. Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting thought, though. Who's paying you your money?

Dell. Del. Like the sponsors. The computer? Dell. Dell. Like, you use, like, the computers. Well, I was just thinking of a match play event.

Yeah. Okay. Kiz. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you kind of tied it to Kisner. You know. Kevin Kisner.

Hey. No, he's too. We've, no, I don't think he could do it. Oh, he can be bought. I'll tell you that much. He definitely can be bought. Him and Scott Brown. Kind of a two-headed monster.

That's sort of, if Kevin Kisner gets in bed with the Premier Golf League, I think we could see some Saudi Arabia money coming on. I think we plug it right now. We could get a kickback. We'll be the official state-run media of the Premier Golf League. I'll say whatever they want. 100%. She'll give me a little kickback.

10 million a year. I don't know. So then that might be like, that's it? Right. Fine. Yeah, we get a lead with something bigger. What's your lead number? Lead heavy.

He just led with 10. But now he's thinking about it. You're going to have them re-lead? Oh, yeah. I think I, 10 million I'm good with. Yeah, same. We could just come on and do this. Right.

10 million works. We just, look at Frankie's face. 10 million. Mine was in a pretzel. He was looking at me. His lips were like quivering. 10 million dollars.

We just come on this podcast like PJ Tour doesn't exist. We're a Premier Golf League podcast only. They offered you 500 grand. So you do it? Yes. 500 grand a year? Ah, no. To do what?

To like only talk about the Premier League. Premier Golf League? I'm going to say no for the purposes of my argument. Okay. But behind closed doors, you probably get me on a number. You mean only talk positively about it? Fine. Yeah.

Yeah. Like we have to do a 15-minute segment. No, no, no. It's the only thing you can talk about. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. That drive me insane. It doesn't even exist. How are we going to talk about?

Yeah, no. Filling time until January 2020 or 2022. I'm talking like the whole show would be this last segment. Oh, every day. Every week? Yeah. No. Talk to me in January 2020.

It's like getting paid to do nothing. What are you talking about? It doesn't even exist. Maybe make it a couple million. Oh, man. I don't know. Like, then we don't have all this. Is that after taxes?

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That is how you email us. Miles says at what distance of a course could you win on tour? Example, pros are playing around 8,000 yards. You get to play the exact same course but at what yardage can you actually win? I don't know if there's a yardage because I'd have to put well. Yeah, you're a horrible putter.

So like five feet? Yeah, I know. Five feet times 18 holes me. How far are these like little par three courses? So I think the cradle from Pinehurst is like 790 yards or something. That's my answer. So 4,000 yards would be an average hole distance. I know.

average hole distance of 222. Yeah, no chance you could win that. No. I think I could compete. So that means every hole is a par four at 220. So you hit a five iron up there. You'd have an eagle putter or an eagle chip around there every hole. I think I could compete at 4,000 yards?

It wasn't. The question wasn't, could you compete? Can you win? I think I would win. To post like 20 under for the week? No chance. No. No, man.

No, no. I don't think you would. I'm furious through even entertaining that idea. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Like, what do you, what do you think your average score is on a 222 yard par 3? 3.6. On the, but, yeah, now you're on the PGA tour and it's like the greens. Right.

The greens are crazy. Three point six. No, I feel like you. I'm like par sometimes. I'll make bogey. Make double. It's a long par three. It's a really long part three.

I think you're over four. Five iron. I think you're over four. Lifetime. Lifetime. $220. Your part 3. My answer, my answer, 700 yards.

My answer is 700 yards. At 3,000, it's 166. I can definitely compete at 3,000 yards. I'm going to say I think can win at 3,000 yards. Yeah, I think that because those average is a par 4. Yeah, right. Yes, exactly. 4,000, yeah, I think you can probably compete.

I think you probably win at 4,000. Right. That's pretty fucking short. So now look who's changed to my side. 4,000? Yeah. You were just on the complete other side. Yeah, I know, he's flipped.

here's where I was confused was I was thinking everything was going to be based off like the what it should be the par right so I was thinking like when we were doing the yardage for the par three I was thinking every hole is a part three right that's just not the case we're all going to be par fours really like you average it out as a part four four four thousand range so at five thousand yards each hole is 277 would not be able to compete no that's too I think that's probably too long it's too long probably in the five four thousand range What's 4500? So now does each hole fluctuate? 4,500 is 250? That's still too far. I think the number is 4,000 yards. But you're acting like every hole is 222 yards. So is one hole 320 yards?

Another hole 100 yards? Yeah, I guess the course would be set up that way. Okay, I think that makes it much more difficult. Yes, it does. It's well said. I didn't think about that. Yeah, they're not all holes that created. Right, because you could do a hole that was 322 and then you could have a 122.

Right. And then you're fudged. Right. Yeah. Well, you're going to have to back it down. I'm with Friday of the cradle. Or your part three could be 22 yards. And you're...

Well, it's just... Yeah, I guess. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, you're in the sake of argument. Your part three could be 22 yards and you can easily make a three there, whatever. And then your part four or five could be four and 44 yards again. And Rory's just smoking you on that hole. It's true.

If you just took, like Beth Page, let's say. And I was playing from 7,300 yards. Yeah. If you just shrunk that down to 4,000 and played and took the same amount from every hole, could you win that? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. So you take down like half the distance of every hole.

15 is probably still like a 300 yard uphill par four. Yeah. That hole is still going to be hard. Exactly. So I don't think you have a chance. Yeah, that's what it. 17 is still like 160 yard over like bunkers every single where you look. part three.

And, like, you can easily just plug into one of the bunkers. Meanwhile, like, Phil Mickelson's, like, like, three feet away from making a bird. But you'd also make a good amount of birdies. Like, you would hit some shots in middle of green on a part four where you'd be putting for eagle. So with that, with that math, if it was 7,300 and you played at 4,000, you'd take off 3,300 yards. And so you would shrink every hole by 183 yards. It's that first hole to go from, like, 420 to, like, one. Yeah, I think I could do it.

Or to two. go to like two. It would also just be high twos. Yes. Like you play a par three. If you buy this math, you know, you really shrink it down. It'd be like 240 on the first hole. Yes.

That'd be like. Exactly. The third hole would only be. And that's with what distance? The third hole would only be a 40-yard par three. That's like 4,000 distance. That's on the 4,000 distance. Same.

That guy might have been right, right in the ballpark. I think 4,000 of about the math. 5,000's too long. Yeah. 5,000's too long. So 5,000, the average hole is like 2,000. 280 yards or something? 5,000 was 283, I believe.

Too long. No chance. We get murdered. We get killed. I might have to bump mine down to 3,000, 2,000 and 3,000. So. Just to be safe. It's an interesting question.

Imagine you just get to tee off from like fucking 180 yards closer than everybody else on every hole. That would be awesome. So if you took 2300 off, so you'd play every hole from, this is 5,000 a number, you'd shrink every hole by 127 yards. I don't think. think that's enough that's not enough not even close nope I think that extra 50 yards is huge massive on every hole yeah I think 4,000 is the number that I could win at which is crazy I just it does make you think of you we went out and played a 4,000 yard 18 hole course

right now what do you think you're sure like if we did this a wing fuck we just played it from 4,000 yards we just got the laser out on every T-box drop the ball and played it from 4,000 yards what do we I think we might be on to something it's pretty interesting yeah You just play, we could just do it half, just play half the artists and just see what we shoot. Exactly. We went out and played a PGA tour cords. Like maybe if we go, when we go do Wingfoot for the media, or if we go do something else. Harding Park for the PGA Jameson.

We just do exactly half and just tee off there and just see what we shoot. I think we definitely do that. Do you imagine the four of us teeing it up in the middle of the fair way, half of every hole? That would be so much fun. Dude, I think we get killed. It's a 500 yard par five. 500 yard. par five we're just in the middle of the fairway at 250 and it's our first shot that's our first shot teeing

up yeah we're off we're in the middle of fairway we're teeing it up we're doing our little pre-shot routine we're just ripping drivers from the middle of the fairway rip a driver or like a three wood 230 240 and now you're 10 yards in front of the green hitting two on a par five yeah chipping for albatross but if you spray it like a good chance we're right right i'm trying to like go through my whole maybe i draw a part maybe i draw a three wood to 230 to 25 and now i have a little little chip. I duff a chip. Now I'm,

now I'm hitting three. I get it up on the green, and I two putt, and I make a five. Exactly. So it's like, I mean, I still think you don't go

under par. I don't know. I think every hole kind of goes like that. You make a mistake here or there. You make a par. Right.

It just shrinks the areas you can make a mistake down. Right. But you'll find. You'll find. And you'll find different trouble, too, because the course is made

to be played a different way. Let's forget, you got to make a 60, you have to shoot a 67. You also just have to get the ball in the hole. You have to get the ball in the hole, which is hard to do. Once you're on the green, you guys are acting like you're putting, you're making one and two putts, and you're making albatrosses and eagles and birdies all the time.

You're three putt in every hole. My short games, I mean, I would think I'd have a better chance if I could just one putt every time we got on the green. Well, yeah, no shit. Well, we talked about this argument as well. You're talking about, oh, well, you think you'd have a better chance to win playing the same distance, but you're guaranteed a one put every time your ball's on the green, or playing half the distance like we're talking. Half a distance. Half the distance.

Half the distance. I would get smoked. Yeah. I mean, I hit like four greens of regulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't hit it.

Yeah, probably right half the distance. I don't hit any... I don't have it. Less than zero. So I would need... Half the distance would be good. It's a good question.

I would love to play that out. We'll have to do that. Yeah. We'll play a course from exactly half the tips. June line and walking off one green. I mean, there might be holes. And then you just walk to half,

halfway down the fairway and drop your bags and all tee it up there. How outrageous. There might be a part three. or we teed up in the water. Like, we're halfway there. You just go to the drop zone. Right. Like, if you play TPC Sawbrass and did it there,

you just go to the drop zone and play from there. I think it's a funny idea. Or you take it from just like the front of the T-box and then on another hole. Yeah, add it and subtracted. That's what we have to do. There would be some funny T-box though where we're like on a downhill fucking thing

in the rough teeing off. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, he was Trent with a driver in the fucking six-inch high rough on a downslope on this par four from 220 out. Good luck, Trent. I think we got to do it. I love this idea.

They're going to die at when we go. They're like, oh, people have been waiting their whole life to play wingfoot. We get out and they're like, no, we're going to play 4,100 yards or 3,800 yards or whatever it is. No, that's like not a golf course. No, yeah, no, it is. We got it. We got to worry about us. We got to play out a hypothetical that got sent to us.

Exactly. All right. We are done here. We're not going to talk any hockey. Obviously, training deadlines now 40 minutes past. Blues are the best team in the West, defending Stanley Cup champions. Carolina got Vottena, Brady Shea, and Trocheck, all at the deadline. Crazy.

They're just bringing in three really good hockey players. Crazy. I was not a fan of Brady Shea's contract. It was too much. So I'm actually happy with that trade. I thought they could have got a little bit more for the return maybe, but that's fine. I feel like I lost something, even though the Islanders. Oh, so here we go.

Lamarillo wouldn't say whether Lad was approached to wave as no. trade not something for the outside locker room. Sounds like that's important. Reading an article to people. Well, no, I'm just trying to figure out why the fuck the Priese I think couldn't happen. But all in all, I feel like I lost something today, even though the Islanders made a move that is very good for their franchise. They traded a couple draft picks.

They got J.G. Pajot, who is a running gun, balls to the wall, buzzsaw of a hockey player. He has 14 goals and 18 games against the Rangers, not including the four goals he scored in the playoffs. And then that defenseman that's so sick that now plays for the show. Eric Carlson. Yeah, so pager. So Pajos is good in the playoffs.

He's very good. So good. He plays 100 and 10% every single night, which is Barry Trots, like, formula to winning. I'm excited to have him in the line up tomorrow. And hopefully he absolutely roast the Rangers. Shout up to my guy, Tyler, for helping me win a couple horse bets this weekend. Happy birthday, Z, J. Hello to my mom.

That's nice. David, I love you, mom. Ebug Nation. Yeah. Big weekend for all E-Bugs. Are you still a current e-bug? I will be there Tuesday night with you. Okay, good.

Ready to play for the Rangers or Islanders. Oh, my God. That would be awesome. Also, Brennan has on his famous Chinatcock, Peter Mawak, Quarters, right now. That's so big. It would be so big for this podcast if he was, if he was an e-bug. Dude, we had a lot. Yeah, that was you last night?

We had a lot of people in our Twitter mentions just reaching out. Oh, yeah. How about this? The Rangers tomorrow night are without Shisterkin. Yeah, but they have Corgi-Evin-Lunquist. Yeah, but Lungwist is on his last legs. Georgiev actually was hurt I heard

I heard Crider's actually like sick He may not even played him This is now my rooting It's not like a goalie You're just saying The team sucks Just saying the team sucks

No they do Shout out to my mom My dad My dad had the time of his life At the Islander game It looks awesome I even I even tweeted like respect

On that sign The whole thing was great to watch I mean We went John to know And this is just This is not just a hockey Like conversation about what happened to that game.

It's a sport conversation to have about how awesome sports are that. My dad grew up having season tickets, watching his team win four straight Stanley Cups. His favorite player was John Tinelli. And then you get 30 years later to watch your favorite players numbers go to the rafters. Like, that's ultimate fandom of a player. Like, I don't even know. What does Anders Lee do?

Does he have grandfathered into that number? Yeah, so he told him that he wants him to keep the number, Tinelli told Anders Lee. And then he'll be the, well, Anders Lee do. actually be the last guy to wear the number? Yes. Wild. Sort of like how Mariana Rivera was still wearing number 42 after they retired Jackie Robinson.

But really cool, really cool stuff. Frankie, here's a question for you. So the cradle is 789 yards. That's nine holes. So let's say it's 800 yards. You multiply it by two, 1,600 yard course. But you play it as a par three course on the PGA tour. How could you do?

So it's all the whole. So just my final score. Can I answer this one? You have no shot. Wait, right. But it's my final score against their final score, right? Yes. Okay.

No, but like to par. You don't get how math works. Yes, I do. You just have no idea. Oh, I said par, though. Yes. I was saying, like, if I just finished with like a... No, no, we know that.

I was like if I was finished with a 54, I win. Yes. Right. I'm saying to par. Yeah. Okay. I thought you were saying... What'd you shoot even par?

Yeah, it was just around even par. So you get to do that every time. You get pretty grooved in at it. Do you think you could compete? They're all like 50-yard-old. 60s 80 it's easy I was making birdies and boe you're playing the PGA tour course it's just you're playing it

from fucking 60 yards right hmm I don't I don't know I don't think it's hard I'm really struggling with the math the whole to par thing is I knew you learn because like I'm going to end up being like plus one plus two and that's just not going to win it at all true if it's just total score I dust them you kill him yeah

Frankie comes off he's like man I'm like 10 over but I won by 30 10 over 10 over I shot at 64 All right That's it We'll be back on Thursday Everybody have a lovely week Hit it hard

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