Fore Play - “Performing Better,” ft. Chase Rice

Episode Date: December 17, 2020

Country star Chase Rice (71:16) joins the show to discuss the challenges of golf, analyzing and improving his own live performances, and how quarantine affected his career. Before Chase, the full crew breaks down a new article detailing the Tiger Tracker account, how different sports have changed over time, and Frankie being a little drummer boy in the high school marching band!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We've got a big show. We got our friend Chase Rice, who this is his second time on the show. Last time we saw him in person, he was thrown right into the mix. Darius Rucker had to bounce. He had a previous obligation, contractual obligation. And it's like the back nine, really tight match in the four-man scramble. Everybody had been drinking.

And then boom, there was Chase Rice, who's just rolling around, learning golf. And he was thrown in with Jake Owen and Morgan, Wallen and Hardy. And that was the last time we saw him. He's out legitimately had just gotten back from the deer stand and joined us. And it turned into an awesome chat. It was myself and Trent. We hear a lot about kind of the behind the scenes of performances, what goes into his thought processes is behind performances.

The difference between, you know, I got understanding and touring with Kenny Chesney, Eric Church, how we can make it performance is better. So it was really, really good, actually. So that's coming up of the second half of the show, our friend Chase Rice. And then we got a bunch of from the galleries that we are going to get to. So stay tuned.

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So it's in Florida usually I feel like And it's a place where I feel like my grandma Always used to add an ass Because you know this place is where grandma's add asses Walmarts You know what I mean? Target Yeah

People do a bar stools Are you guys working at high schools? Yeah, barstools So like I always thought Publix was just called public And she's like I'm going to Publix tonight And whatever, it was like a big day to go to Publix. And it turns out that it's the IXS.

And I think that, I actually think that there was a meeting where it was like strategically named that because it was going to be in areas where older people were going to be. And they were going to add the S anyway, that S sounding. Publix is such an easy thing for people to say. You know what Publix always reminds me up? Forever it will be connected to when James Winston stole Crablitz. That's the first time I've ever heard of Publix. I didn't know what it was.

and then I guess it is mostly in the south. And then they were like, James Winston, Florida State quarterback, stole crab legs from Publix. That was the first time I've ever heard of it. And I've never heard the name Publix without thinking about James Winston and crab legs. Was that the official downturn in his career? Since then, he's just thrown a massive amount of picks and behind Tassum Hill, like who can't really throw the football.

He went, yeah, he went 30 for 30 last year, 30 touchdowns, 30 interceptions, which is unheard of. I remember the last interception was a pick six in the final game of the season, and it was an uproarist moment on Twitter. People went crazy for it. But, yeah, I don't, I mean, I haven't really followed James Winston since. You know, I mean, James Winston was part of my favorite, potentially my favorite sports moment ever,

was when he got suspended for a game and he still came out fully dressed in pads. And he was like, I don't understand why you guys don't want me out here fully dressed in pads. It's just, it's one of the funniest visuals. It's one of my favorite things that ever happened. happens in sports history. Now, would a team want someone throwing 30 picks and 30 touchdowns over a guy who throws like five touchdowns and zero picks? No. I don't have enough of a football knowledge to know what's better and what's worse. This is this is a classic classic case of the same argument we would have in college all the time about Halo. Would you want a guy in your

team who goes like, who basically hides in the corner and goes like, three and two, or do you want a guy out there wreaking fucking havoc who gets like 30 kills and dies 35 times? It's like, it's kind of, well, dude, I had like four double kills. I was a, I was an absolute menace out there. It's like, well, we, you were minus five on our kill death ratio. Like, how does that help us? So this is, it's the same debate, I feel like. Yeah, it feels like it. I mean, obviously the score, um, I feel like, I don't know, it adds up to the same thing. You're getting seven points here giving up seven points there. Well, not really, actually. You're getting more points

on the touchdown. Just because you throw an interception doesn't mean it's a touchdown the other way. Right. So I think you take that. I agree. I think you take the 30 for 30. If I tell you, I'm going to be a quarterback for your team. I'm going to throw 50 touchdowns. I'm also going to throw 50 interceptions. I think they say we sign up. What do you mean? No.

I think the guy gets five touchdowns, no interception. Lurch probably knows better than anybody. Like, is he a starter right now? No. And there you go. There's your answer. They're actually going with a guy that probably will throw five touchdowns and zero picks in Taysen Hill.

Like he like never throws up. I'm saying like add touchdowns to it. Right. Like this guy's a fucking, like he's setting records. Like I'm going to throw 60-put-time this year. I mean, you're thinking of a guy that like just stands back there, hucks it up in the air, and either he gets a touchdown or it's an interception. It's basically a Hail Mary every time in the way you're thinking about.

Oh, electric in that game. If I was a casual fan of some team, I would love them to sign James Winston just for the chaos factor. Totally. What's going to happen out here? At any moment, you could throw a 75-yard bomb or it's just a pick to no man's land, pick six. Like, it wasn't even closed. I'm just picturing the Frankie offense that is literally a Hail Mary every plus. You get first down, quarterback drops back, scrambles around, five receivers just go out there and you just hucks a bomb.

And you just do that three times in a row. I don't hope you get a better one. I feel like that's what like the Dante Cole Pepper Randy Moss Vikings were like. I'm pretty sure that's all they did. They just threw it straight up into the, Dante would throw it straight up into the air, and Randy Moss most of the time would catch it for a time.

Dante Colpeper, what a name. Dude, it's also, it's like that in any sport. Like, from a fan's perspective, we're going to obviously choose the 30 for 30. It's the same thing in golf. Would you rather watch somebody who makes, you know, nine birdies and nine bogeys or somebody who goes out there and makes 18 bars?

It's like, would you rather watch the fucking, you know, like the New Jersey Devils of the late 90s and early 2000s, you just played the trap and won one-nothing hockey games. Or like, now you turn on Toronto Maple Leafs. They're giving up five goals a game, but they're scoring five or six. And it's an absolute, it's just mayhem out there the whole time. There's like two-on-ones, three-on-twos the entire game.

Right. It's like John Carl Stanton makes hundreds of millions of dollars because he hits 60 home runs and strikes out 320 times. The guy strikes out twice a game. That's a different perspective. Like the fan in me wants to see just chaos, wants to see the guy in Halo just run out there, get blown up by her grenade, kill two people. But like the coach in me says, no, I'm taking. But there's a difference between coach and if you're the owner of that team.

Like your team, you franchise benefits from coaches. His career is over. But the franchise might soar. Like, you're doing great. You show up to the ballpark because John Carl Stanton and Aaron Judge may hit a ball. 650 feet, but you know they will strike out three times combined. You know that when they get up there, they're going to strike out that day. Something negative will happen in that game, but the possibility of them hitting a ball

of the moon is worth price of admission. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Or like an offensive player in hockey where he's just a liability in defense and you're just like, this guy's going to end up in the wrong spot today and give up a goal. Like you know the other team's coming back, but he could also go end to end and end up like number one top play of the year on fucking sports center and that's why I'm going to see. He just spring into a breakway the whole game and it's like, no, we're...

Matt Barzell's kind of that guy. He never gets back on defense. That was always the Carmelo thing too. He could, he dropped 50 and he plays zero defense. Yes. But it's fucking awesome to watch. I love how Carmelo's actually playing like as hard as he's ever played right now. So the Blazers.

He's playing. I haven't kept up with Carmelo, really. Yeah, he's playing for Portland. Dude, I hate you. I mean, now we're all over the place, but I hated Carmelo. Guy would pass him off. He'd hold it for 23 seconds and then hit a fadeaway two. It was like the worst.

I think I talked about this on this podcast, or did we talk about it when we were together? But I bought tickets to Carmelo's first game as a Nick with my buddy, and we just, 300 bucks each, they were fake. I think we talked about that on stream, I think. Maybe, yeah. So 300 bucks each, cash. Guys, like, hold on, come on.

First time I really ever scalped at the garden. I always used to scout at the Coliseum. My dad used to send me up to people before we had season tickets. He used to make me go out to him. I was seven, eight years old. He'd act like I was lost. That's true. You told a thousand times.

Give me tickets for me to get inside. I'm cold. And my dad would come running, jogging out of breath. Oh, there you are. Oh, sorry, son. We can't afford tickets tonight. And the guy's like, take the tickets. And you know, while my dad's, like, buying $200 worth of the fucking gear inside.

And like, Ben Bob, like, such a move. But, yeah, me and my buddy were like, you know what, fucking Carmel's coming to the Big Apple. The Knicks got their guy. Like, you know, it was fucking, I don't know, New York, the Knickerbockers at the fucking Mecca. I was like, let's do it. That was a big deal when he signed there. Night, like, Mello's first game. And this guy's like, oh, I got you.

I got you. He brings us over the corner and he's like, I got two tickets, level 200, 300 to pop. These things are going for 500. I'm like, fuck. So we actually brought a ton of money. I gave him $300. my friend gave him $13. He gave us a fucking envelope that had the season ticket thing on it, everything.

We looked at them. We looked at them quick. And we're like, oh, these are fucking tickets. Turns out, if you actually took them out, they're fucking made out of, like, paper machet. They were, when I went to go have the person scan it, I said, this is not a real ticket. We waited online to get in for so long that they actually started melting in our hands. Like, they were just, like, the part that's supposed to rip off was already halfway ripped off. Oh, fuck.

That's, we took the train right back. home to Long Island, went to my buddy's house, and we watched from the second quarter on, just on my friend's couch, and like, Mello hit a huge three. The crowds going crazy. I'm like, by $300 are just in some guy's fucking coat right now, and I'm just sitting here. Fucking, what a joke. Let me tell you something. This has been barstool sports, ladies and gentlemen. We've covered every sport under the sun on these last 10 minutes. I was just trying to think about Rolf. What sport? True. What sport can you actually just play offense?

I mean, outside of football, obviously. But even then, it's like if you throw in picks, it's punishable. What sport can you just play, like, offense, like an asshole? And really, there's no negative to it. You have to play, like, maybe strikers and soccer. Like those guys are-D-H-H-and-Baseball. Yeah, D-H-and-Basball, first thing comes to mind, obviously. David Ortiz.

That's such a unique position, but you're right. It's like one position. But with that, it's different that there's not even the option to play. defense. Like what's the sport where you are, you can be an offensive juggernaut, and there's the option to play defense, but it doesn't matter. Maybe soccer. I feel like in stock, those guys go balls to the wall, and then when the ball gets turned over, they literally just walk around for like five minutes until it comes back. I would want to say soccer. I don't know enough about soccer to the point where I think if the guy ends up not getting into his position, even if he leisurely gets there,

I feel like a team like Barcelona or whatever can like move in because one guy's not in that spot and they can just dominate one player up? I don't know. I don't know anything about soccer. I'd love to ask troops. Shout out to Troops and Zah. What a fucking electric factory that guy is. That guy's great.

Those two are hilarious. Whenever I watch a clip of troops, I never know what's happening, but I am 100% entertained. Like the way he talks to his passion, how angry he gets. Like, he really is. He just came out of nowhere and I cannot.

Anytime a video of him shows up on the internet, I have to watch it. he gets angry it's like funny and entertaining when i get angry people say like that i'm like over the top and i'm going to be arrested like he's just got that accent he's so fucking passionate about his soccer team it's like i want to i want to watch a game with him i want to watch football and see now i'm calling football european football just to have that like connection with him so i can enjoy watching arsenal games with this guy lurch and i want you to try to force feed being um from your

year league fans down our own throats by betting on Everton. We got them at, you know, shout betting responsibly, virtual sports book. But we essentially were like, we can't get into soccer. We need to like force our way into being soccer fans. So we got behind Everton football, soccer team. And, you know, we really wanted them to finish like top four in the table. And turns out they were exactly what we were talking about.

You don't want your team to be. They were just the most defensive, boring. They tried to win every game like one nil or like draw nil-nil. That's all they cared about. They never scored. They never had a shot on net. They never had any offensive pressure whatsoever. We made it about two weeks and we were like this fucking sucks.

And I don't think I've watched the game since. They were so bad. And they were all defensive. It was that guy like Clayton Baines and he was a good like left back. But it didn't matter. They would only counterattack. But they would play defense for. 70 of the 90 minutes. It was the worst product I ever could have put myself through. And I,

like, sometimes still will watch Premier League soccer in the mornings or whatever when it's on, but it was exciting to get behind a team and it was just the biggest flop in the history of trying to like circle the wagons and actually go forward with a team. It was awful. There was a period, I think in the early 2010s, if you were in your mid-20s, you at least gave Premier League soccer a shot. Because it was, it was on early. early Saturday mornings before college football would start. So you're like, oh, this is just something I can watch. You put it on.

It's a little bit of white noise. You don't have to totally pay attention. Because I remember I did it too. I had like two buddies who were super into Premier League soccer. I was like, oh, that seems like fun. But I was the same as you guys. Like three weeks now, I was like, I'm out. This is something I can't watch.

Yeah. It was the World Cup effect because that was like what, the 2012 maybe World Cup, where the U.S. made a little bit of a run. And that was when like you get the residual for a year, too, where people were kind of into it. But yeah, I feel like I was texting with Fidelberg about this a couple months ago that I kind of want to become a Liverpool fan. Apparently their coach is just off the charts.

He's the guy that just runs around and screams. It's like the biggest fan in the world, but he's manager, wherever they fuck they call him. So I do want to get behind a team. I also don't know where they are. Like they could be in the last match of the table, or they could be in the first right now. I have no clue.

So anybody who's listening, they're probably like, you fucking idiots. now we're touching on every sport, but I would like to become a Premier League fan. I just, you got to get behind a team. I need, like, a good reason to get behind a team.

I was getting into rugby a little bit. Sevens of rugby is sweet. To the point of, like, just watching it, not like into it, but I'm like all blacks, New Zealand. Yeah, of course.

Everything about that is cool. And the games are crazy Australian rugby. Like, they're just sometimes on NBCSN and you just get hooked into it because there's just nonstop. madness. The announcers go absolutely ballistic. The crowds are insane. They don't stop from beginning to end. And like, I don't know, we're just a bunch of pussies when you look at like the sport that they play. And it's nonstop. It's absolutely nonstop. Yeah, rugby's crazy. I don't even really

know how those guys get through a match. It's just nuts. But the soccer effect was a total letdown when we didn't make this past World Cup. I mean, that was the biggest flop in sports. And then that just cut out like any and all interest. Because there's a FIFA ride later to the World Cup. Like, We're the United States of America. What the fuck? What? We ended up losing it like Trinidad and Tobago or something like that on like a rainy wet field, and it was just like pathetic.

It was absolutely pathetic. And we beat them in Mighty Dutts Hockey anyway. We got them back. I remember like Freddie Adieu Mania. Do you remember that? Oh, of course. The women's team has more hype than anything. For sure.

Yeah, well, they're sick. They deserve it, too. They're just, they have stars. They have absolute stars. stars on their team. Who's the goal? Who's the goalkeeper for the U.S.? Who's the tall guy? Tim Howard. Howard. Yeah, that guy was a star. He was a stud. Yeah, we had some good players. Christian on Wayu was a good player. Polisic, the kid, Landon Donovan. Yeah. They have some good young talent, too. What's DeAndre Yedlin has been a stud forever. You know more, you know more than I

thought. Oh, dude, I got into, I used to play a little mosa soccer when I was a kid. And who's the current, like, savior of American soccer? Christian Polisic. Yeah, yeah. But he's, I mean, he's good. It just was so frustrating. Then, then make the World Cup. It was just a way.

Let's talk to a little tennis. Is it? Yeah, one of those sports when we hit. Before golf. Yeah. There's bad, not there. Who is the generally accepted goat of tennis? Is it still a fight?

Or is it as clear cut as like tiger? Rod's, right? It's got to be wrong. No, no. Not really, man. Like, it was Roger, like, five years ago. But Nadal's been such a beast that now it's like, like, if you talk to McEnroe, he just is obsessed with Federer, so I'll say that. But there's definitely an argument to me made that it's just Nadal.

Like, but then people go, well, he can only win it. Like, he only dominates on clay. Roger's won a little bit everywhere, but Roger struggles on clay. Well, is that because Nadal's been so dominant? There's definitely a discussion to be had on who's the goat of tennis. Can you explain to me, Nadal was originally a. writing. Yeah. And his uncle Tony said, no, you're going to play lefty. And so then he got sick like lefty, but that's why his forehand looks a little unorthodox. But then his backhand is just

money and he can put it down the line. He can use his dominant hand to just flick it cross court when somebody comes in the net. So it just cuts right across their body. He's a born righty. He's a born righty. And it was like, no, you're going to play lefty. Are you fucking me right now? No, that's just how it went for the kid. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he's, that kid's a specimen.

Also, I used to be a Federer fan because I had a one hand, but Nadal's like fight and his determination to win is unmatched. Tigers is a dog guy, right? Right. Well, he gave the fist pump for him, which is a little outrageous, but I love it. I'd be like, say again. It's just like, you know, he was sitting in the press box with a charge.

gave this massive fist bump. It was a little too much for me, but I liked it. Federer is not Nike, right? The dollars, right? Yeah, $1.00. Federer was, and now he's Uniglo. Oh, I don't even know what the hell that is. That's like the big one.

Isn't that what Joker does do? Doesn't he do Uniglo or no? Joker was, I think, and he still is. I'm not sure. Does Joker even in that conversation or no? He's just getting there for sure. Yeah, he's, I mean, Well, it's like, you know, they go to big three, but he's definitely getting there, but he's not in that conversation.

Don't they hate that guy? Don't people hate that guy? He's a little bit, he's definitely hateable. He goes, he's a peaks and valley guy. He, like, he'll do some funny things on camera, but is it fake? Is it real? I don't know. I think he's funny. I think he cracks me up. Yeah, I think to a lot of, like, people that see little tidbits here and there, they really, you know, he cracks up a lot of people. He just hit that mishap where he almost killed the lady, you know, but I'm like, sparking, the ball off. She took a little bit. It was her time to shine a little bit. She took a little bit of a fall there. I mean, I'm glad that everything worked out, but that was just a hard video to watch.

I mean, she milked it. She milked it. You know, it's really interesting. We can get off the, we can start talking golf. But, you know, we're living in a world in which there's a lot of the best of all times playing right now. Right. You think of like the best of the sport. And I don't know if that's just a product of advancement and technology and like human evolution but like Nadal and Federer are like still playing still winning you've got Ronaldo and Messi which like it's hard to say that they are the best of all time you have other guys in soccer but these are like these super stars of the world like Ronaldo may be the most famous person on the on the planet I mean he's got the most Instagram followers he's fucking winning everything and then like I

mean people don't want to hear it because it's Jordan but like LeBron's like it's like it's It feels like there are like, and Tiger Woods is still playing. Like it feels like right now there's like the greats are all playing sports. Do you think that's just the product of the moment? Like when Jack was Jack, like were people thinking the same thing that we're thinking right now? Are we thinking because we're in the moment? Like I get that Michael, like MJ and LeBron, they're great.

Federer and Nadal are great. But in 50 years from now, are there going to be guys just like that and they're going to be saying the same thing? Or would they be looking back saying, man, MJ and LaBron? Ron. They were great. We don't have any of that. I don't know because you would think that every 10 years you would be within the realm of like a great and you can make that same argument each decade. But like you can't really make the same argument. I just made that argument for tennis, soccer and maybe basketball. You can't make that argument for hockey. Like Wayne Gretzky was the

greatest and there will never be one. Like yeah, Sidney Crosby is a great, but he's not the goat. Baseball. Like I mean, you could talk about Hank Aaron. Yeah, but still like, there's still like achievements that no one is like like like trouble like eventually be the greatest like people are saying like diehard baseball fans or like his stats are untouchable but like you're still going to have people that are going to argue like whatever ball bonds fucking mark what like these there's names there that are going to be unachievable numbers go to maggio his picture like there's numbers that you won't touch right now we're living in a time where numbers are being broken hockey is probably the only one where no one would even really argue it.

Correct. Yeah, I don't think you can. You can't. And Frankie doesn't think the great one would make a roster these things. Well, I mean, the great one himself, I don't know if we want to put the audio in, but he says he couldn't play that. And so people say he's being humble. Like, I can only use the words he says to my argument. Like, I don't know. I think he's being humble, though. Frankie, you kind of got screwed there because you took an argument that you were having with other people and then you just brought it public and then you kind of got like your head put on a post of like the face of that entire point. Yeah, it's not the craziest point when you think about

what I said. I said you just take him out of 1984 and drop him in a 2020 team. His style of play does not equate to a 2020 roster to the point where they're like this guy's a fucking, he's not even on the roster. Like this guy, he's not doing anything we're doing in the year 2020. which I think that argument works for any other sport and any other time when you get take that big of a gap goalies were so much different back then the game has changed my argument was that hockey has evolved from 1980 to 2020 more than any other sport I think guys are still throwing fastballs curveballs and hitting home runs in baseball the same way they were in 1960 I think if fucking cc sabathi went out there and tried to strike out a guy from 1950 he'd have just as hard of a time you don't agree

compared to if a goalie from 2020 was just stopping a Wayne Gretzky fucking, like, Rister that he went through five different defensemen. And I understand he was ahead of his time. And that's why he was able to do that. But goalies now are just so much bigger and so much more fucking compact. The stats back it up. They don't score 200 points a season anymore. They just don't.

Yeah. And there's technology that made advancements for goalies that made it that much easier. Like you're not wearing leather paths where baseball is still the same shoulder. and it's very human the whole time. Correct. And I think some of the sports maybe you mentioned, like I don't even know if I agree with it. Like, is soccer for sure,

is Messi and Ronaldo definitely better than like a Maradona or a Pelle or the old like, I have known? I don't know, but like, I mean, I'm assuming the argument could be made that one, like, you see is the greatest soccer player of all time, right? Like, for sure. Pele and Maradona and stuff, like, I'm sure they're up there.

But, I mean, the argument I'm assuming could be, me. Yeah. Look, it's an age-old argument in golf that if you, like, if you, if you made Jack Nicholas, if you took him when he was, you know, 19 years old and Tiger Woods when he was 19 years old right now, and you gave him all the same technology and the same, you know, 25-year stretch, like who would have the better career? You could do that with a bunch of old timers. You could do that with Bobby Jones. You did that with a ton of different players. And I don't, know, like, I don't know really that it would be, and, like, I almost think in golf, there would be a better chance. If you just gave everybody the same technology, there would be a better

chance that somebody over the last 150 years, like, would actually be better. Like, their skill set was better because I do think that, like, physical advancements aren't necessarily as important. Like I know now we're seeing it with Bryson, but it's not like Bryson just because he's able to hit the ball so far is on Tiger Woods level, like not even close to what Tiger Woods was doing, you know, 20 years ago, not even close to what like Jack Nicholas did 40 years. So it's not like that's been really obvious. So I would almost think golf, you could take someone from the 1920s. You could take like Ben Hogan from it and put them in. And I wouldn't be stunned if they were just as good or on that level. Whereas I do think you're right. Where if you just took like Wayne Gretzky

or you took and put him in training camp right now, like I don't know that he would stand out at all. And same with like football. The physical advancements are so key. The game is basketball too. You put a guy from the 1960s on a court with fucking Russell Westbrook and LeBron James and you know, it's like what is happening? These guys are, are they flying? Like I don't know. So yeah, there's a lot of sports that it happens. I just, you know, I was new to Barstool. I wanted to really, you know, get, I'm a big arguer. I'm a big debater. And that one I really, I really hit home. I do remember that when it was back in the day, one of the Islanders coaches, like assisting coaches was Apparelli's and they were making that argument to each other,

writing things down on fucking, on, like writing down stats and showing the way he would play pulling up foot it being like, dude, like Matt Karkner, this fucking guy on the islanders would absolutely step into the lane and destroy Wayno. Like now that we play this systematic, like everyone moves in a certain way defense, I don't know. It's just, we don't have to get back into that. I think there's arguments to be made on both sides. Obviously, he's the greatest of all time because he's a product of his fucking environment

and there's nothing he could do that he grew up in that time and he just dominated it. So, I mean, he's the greatest. Paulina's awesome. And that's all I have to say. Let me tell you a little bit real quick, folks, about Harry's, which is founded by two friends, Jeff and Andy, who were tired of open. overpaying for raisers. I'm sure you can relate. I'm sure you hate overpaying for razors. It's very annoying. It's very frustrating. It's something you got to use it all the time.

You got to clean up. Frankie's cleaned up. We actually were looking to picture the other day when you weren't cleaned up. I like that version of Frankie, but like I understand not wanting to live like that. Think about how different, I mean, I'm going, I got no hat on right now. I'm showing my soft feminine forehead. And I mean, the fact that I had that mustache for major moments in my life, you got to think I had it during a whole Islander's playoff season that extended, it was basically a full year. I said it was going to be like a playoff fucking beard. And then I didn't know that like a pandemic was going to happen and everything. I couldn't shave it throughout the whole entire fucking layoff, seven month layoff.

And then, you know, I went to the White House. So I was inside the Oval Office with that mustache. We interviewed the Jonas brothers. So it's like all these big moments in my life, like certain like was happening. And my face was the joke, like the butt of the joke. It almost was the icebreaker. Oh, we got the North Brothers on. How about how bad is Frankie's facial hair?

Okay. You know, it's like, I don't like, I don't love that. So now I'm clean shaven. I got Harries. I get the subscription. And it's nice. You know, I get a little bit of a stubble. You know, I'm 27.

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We watched it last night. The footage from this place on the drone is probably the best footage you ever had. It just pops. You've got these dunes. The kind of like green and brown shades of Tasmania juxtapositioned with like the teal color of that ocean. It was just popping on the drone. And then amongst that, you had us with like snakes,

hitting good shots, hitting bad shots, which ultimately culminated with a moment on the 18th Green at the Lost Farm course that people will probably talk about forever and was incredibly reflective of pretty much all of our games. So it was a good show. Go to our YouTube channel, our YouTube channel, new video platform people are using, and check it out.

Foreplay golf. That's how you look it up. You think that goes down forever? You think the 18th Green? goes down forever. I mean, we're going to be talking about it forever. It's as bad performance that it could possibly happen between us. You can't do worse.

No, it would be tough to do too much worse than that. I mean, I for puttted from at the bottom of the hill. What really wasn't a hill probably went up a foot from where I was into the pin, and I four putted an uphill putt from there from probably what, 75, 85 feet? It's just as bad as it gets. And yeah, that footage there is incredible. I mean, my dad has watched every single one of these. And he's texted me out a couple times after him, but this one, he just wrote,

wow, what a golf course. Like, he had it up on the TV and he's like, that place looks phenomenal. I think the drone work pops, even just like the regular videos of us playing. It's worth the watch. It's worth sharing with your friends. I think it's a place that's like, you know, one day when the world is all better and we're all traveling and getting on long flights, like this is a place that I want to go to. like Tasmania, Australia.

We're going to go to stay at Bar Mugel. It's a place that you can't even imagine fucking going to, but if you just crank the numbers, you can make it work. Like, it's not that crazy. It's not undoable. You just go and do it. Like, it seems unachievable to be able to go to Bar Mugel,

lost farms in the dunes course in Tasmania, but you can do it. There's flights. There's hotels. There's tea times. You can just do it. I mean, look how incompetent we are and we did it. Like, we just went there.

We just played these golf courses. But yeah, my group taxing, my brother and my boys from home, like, they just, once it went, I started being like, so Barnebougal, like, we got to go to this place. This looks outrageous. And it is. It's a different terrain. It's a different part of planet Earth than you ever think you would be at. It seems, it does seem unobtainable.

And when you're there, it almost felt like it was kind of a flash in the pan. It was a dream. It was a fantasy. we were never actually in Australia. Not only were not in Australia, but we were never actually on Tasmania. Like, how did we get there? Like, what do you mean?

Like, look where it is on a mat. We couldn't have been there. And then the footage comes out. It's like, well, that's us. And we're walking on that ground. We're hitting golf shots on this golf course that someone created here. This is pretty fucking wild. And it was.

It was a, we had to hit some T shots over gigantic dunes. Then you go back through like this part that's more like a farm. and then you kind of re-enter with these great reveals, the back nine on like 13, 14, 15, these holes that are all along the water and the ocean while the sun was setting. It was fucking crazy town that we were in this place, and we had a great match on top of it.

Yeah, I mean, I can't believe, and maybe it is Rigsie weather or foreplay weather or whatever the case is, but we have walked out when it comes to weather for the most part. I mean... Scott'sdale where the weather was going to be. Yeah. Well, but, yeah, that was one.

It's as unlucky weather you can possibly have. It was the only day. The first time in 100 days and it's rain. And it just rained the first day that we were shooting a video. So we went to Barnboogel. We're across the world. Thank God it was perfect that day because we were there for literally 18 hours. We played two rounds of golf, slept and had a good old time.

Because it was stunning in terms of abuse, vistas, the whole bit. And then when the sun would set and look at that like Tony Stark type of rest, restaurant that was sitting on the hill. It was so sweet. I'm walking in there for dinner and everybody was already sitting down. And I was just looking out of that like vast kind of landscape and view that they give you. South Pacific Ocean. Is that what that is? I don't know. I'm going to say the Tasmania straight between Australia and Tasmania. I'm going to say it's a South Pacific Ocean. I'm going to say, I don't know. I got nothing. I don't know. I don't know. of the map. I'm Googling it right now.

It's the southwestern Pacific Ocean. Holy fuck. I think the other side of that island is just like the south like Antarctic Ocean. Yeah. The Bass Strait. What do you mean? It's the Bass Strait, Trent. You're the Bass Strait. And it's right next to the Tasmania Sea. We could have been looking out of that Tasmania Sea.

I just Google Tasmania Ocean and it gave me Southwestern Pacific. Okay. Sorry. I was in a clinical South Pacific when I was in elementary school. I was a lieutenant and I died. How was your, how was your death performance? I feel like that's a big one. I was like in fourth grade. I can't really remember. I just remember I was like lieutenant something and I was in South Pacific and I don't remember. Do you like scream or squeal or do you just like? Yeah, I think I think I mean I squealed a little bit. I don't know. I don't remember how the death scene really went. I just remember being in South Pacific, you know?

Yeah. And then the next year was Sound of Music. I got a bigger role that year. Yeah, that's a good one. That's kind of more of an upbeat one, right? Yeah. Dying as Lieutenant Frank or remember? Wait, was the Sound of Music?

Yeah, I think it was Sound of Music. I don't know. I can't remember anymore. Now you got me. I was in a high school production of Wizard of Oz. We were in elementary school, and the local high school was doing Wizard of Oz, and they needed,

can not think about, think of the word. The Lollipop Guild? Yeah, like, that, they needed those roles and they needed smaller people and the elementary school is right across the street. So we were in the Wizard of Oz in elementary school. That was the highlight of my early life. You got cast for a smaller people type. I was going to say, did they bring you over?

And they were like, no, we like, you're like, sure you weren't the hot air balloon that she flies into fucking? I showed up and they're like, well, this is just a high schooler. so why don't you send him back looking for elementary kids. No, that was, yeah, we were in production of Wizard of Oz. It was a great time. It was good. I remember I was the one play I was ever in, you know, we rehearsed it for months,

and then we were supposed to do it on like a Tuesday. And that weekend playing hockey, I broke my arm. So I came in on Monday for, like, the final rehearsal, and I just had, I was in a sling. And I remember, like, the teacher, whoever was running that, was like, what the fuck? Like, what is this? You can't be in a sling.

Like, you're not a hurried. I was like, dude, I broke my arm. Like, what do you want? I'm in a sling now. And it was a whole fiasco. I ended up having to drop the sling for the actual thing and just hold my arm there. Like, it was like a dead arm, but I think it worked out.

Munchkins. That is the word I could not think of. Munchkins, yeah, or Lollipop Guild. But they're like in the community. We represent the Lollie. Do you guys play any instruments growing up? Yeah, drum. We know what you played Lurch.

What I played? And he didn't even give him a fuck. an instrument. You just spoke. No, I did not, I did not play an instrument growing up. Just wondering. What did you play the trombone? You had to. I did play the trombone. The trombone and a little guitar and a little recorder. Ubo.

I played the drums. I wore a little hat in high school. I was in the high school marketing. Yeah, I had a feather on it. All my friends were on the football team. I was on the fucking groan. You were in the marching band? Yeah, well, so East Ender High school, like my high school has a really, really, really good music program. So we would go like around, like we went to Disney and played underneath the fucking Magic Kingdom with the fucking fireworks going all over the place. We were in like the Macy's Parade and it was like, it was fun. It was like competitive marching band, like really good drumming. I was on the quince. That was five drums. Yeah. I was playing a fucking full set. It was a lot of fun, man. Really intense.

It was at the time, like, fucking drumline, that shitty movie, not the shitty movie, but you always compare it to. Blathing drumline, pretty much the same thing. Not even close, but yeah, it was, like, cool to be in the fuck and learn it. So, yeah, I loved, I loved it. But the optics weren't the greatest. Right, I can feel your, your friend was the, my friend was the quarterback, and I was like, I had a feather sticking out of my hat, being like, go ho! But, like, deep-de-dust you really loved it, and you're like, I wouldn't trade this for the world. If football games were tough.

There's no denying that. That was, I enjoyed it when it was first period. I didn't like going out there on Saturdays. Yeah, that. Paraded around wearing fucking shiny boots and playing, and playing, two little legs kicking. Yeah. Bottom of the totem pole on those, at those.

Yeah. Yeah, it was bad. Tiger Tracker. So it was a new piece that came out. This, I think it was today. and it's very fascinating. So we talked a lot about Tiger Tracker. I think it was during the Zosdo Championship.

In California, Tiger was playing first time since legit, like 2012 or something, that the Twitter account, Tiger Tracker, Golf Channel, Tiger Tracker, wasn't tweeting about Tiger, nothing, not a peep. And Golf Channel, clearly they announced the beginning of the year. They were relocating, they're moving from Orlando, where they've been their whole life, their whole existence, up to Connecticut, restructuring. A bunch of people got laid off, which is very sad in the industry. And then boom, the Tiger Track account goes quiet.

So everyone assumed did Tiger Tracker get fired? What was what's going on? And look, the Tiger Tracker account, what's it got? Four or five hundred thousand followers, something along those lines. So it's a big account. And anybody, I mean, especially all my years pre-Bars school, and we weren't necessarily couldn't be locked in all the time, the Tiger, like, I'd pull up the Tiger account. be watching and updating religiously because not only do you want to just check into the, you know, the leaderboard app and see what scoring posts.

You want to know how Tiger got there. You want to know what he's acting like. Is he happy? Is he sad? Did he hit a good team shot? Did he make a miraculous, like up and down? Like, what happened is what you want to figure out? And Tiger Tracker delivered all of that while being like pretty funny cultural references.

Like, it's just a great, great account. And it was pure. It was always about Tiger. was jacked up excitement when Tiger does well. Legitimate, sincere disappointment when Tiger does shitty is a great account. Everybody knows the account. Then everyone's like, well, did they get fired? And a big part of the account has always been the mystery behind who is it.

Like, who is Tiger Trager? Who runs it? We talked on the show a couple months ago when we kind of talked about the thing that, you know, pretty sure it's several different people. I think like in the golf, I guess, media world, that's been a long-kept secret because it's fun to be like in on the game. It was one of the first questions I asked when we got close with Golf Channel and when they started, you know, providing us with like David Farity and Brandl Chambly to do interviews. I was like, what's going on with this Tiger Tracker thing? So I had heard years ago we had talked about amongst ourselves years ago.

they're like tiger tracker isn't just one human being who gets paid full time to just follow tiger around like tiger tracker is just a golf channel account and whoever is working on the beat that week on golf channel for golf channel uh would just run the tiger tracker account they kind of studied figured out how to like make sure you have the right cadence and the right verbiage and the right references but like they could do it consistently nobody really knew it was different people whatever um this article tells a lot about that and then also goes into sort of of the businessy aspect of how they, the writers weren't necessarily happy with golf channels, sort of not, not getting behind the account, not supporting the account,

not being able to and not supporting like the writer's ideas of how to monetize the account. And it's just kind of a fascinating piece on what all goes into it. And to be honestly, it's kind of a little bit of a look. I thought it's some of the stuff that like we deal with that ultimately I think we've been like better at, which is this idea of like they're a little bit, they almost have like a governor on the account because Golf Channel and the riders who might be younger and who might be a little bit more like us, you know, they have to report to like the old brass and the old management at Golf Channel and NBC who doesn't necessarily get it.

It was not going to green light this a little bit like wild card account to go out there and make all kinds of money, sell T-shirts, was part of the article. So it was very, very interesting. I believe it was on the ringer, but it was a very interesting sort of detailing of the Tractor account with interviews from different writers at Galk Channel who are not named, who have kind of run the account. Yeah, once you got past the first part of the article,

which is who is Tiger Tractor, which we have, like you said, rigs, we've kind of known that it's like a collection of writers who were ever at the tournament at the time, do it this way, keep the same cadence, keep the same sort of jokes going. But the second part is far more interesting, I think, where it was, it's a disconnect between the suits essentially and the people running the account where like the suits didn't quite understand what it was.

Like they knew that it was sort of popular. They didn't know that all these different guys were running it the same way. So they kept the same jokes going. And they would. They'd shut down ideas of like I did like the idea where they would basically sell shirts that said I am Tiger Tracker. And then you make this whole underground community of people at golf tournaments where if you're watching on TV, especially in NBC broadcast, you could point out these people that are wearing shirts

and say, I am Tiger Tracker. Like, that's like a fun, underground thing. And then I think the suits were like, no, we don't want to do that. There was the idea that, again, I don't know necessarily where it originated from, but they wanted to do TV spots where he was basically a mob witness,

where you black out his face and you modulate his voice where I'm Tiger Tracker. You sort of build up the persona that way. The suits didn't want to do that. So I was our fucking idea. I'm pretty sure that was our idea. Again, I don't want to claim it too hard, but I was an idea. We 100% came.

We pitched that idea in a golf channel. But anyways, the whole point, the whole point, it's, you're right, Trent. It's like the behind the scenes of the account and sort of the ideas on how to turn an account like that and monopolize on this cool community, which, by the way, is all a good thing. Like, making money off that, kind of galvanizing that community because that community exists. They talk about how, like, everybody from Steph Curry to, like, Anthony, Scaramucci when he was the spokesperson for the White House, we're all following this account. Like, it's got a gigantic

following, and how can you, and they just kind of wouldn't let them do that, and how frustrating that must have been and was for the writer. Right, where they fucked up, whoever it was, sounds like it was probably the suits, where you don't have to make it this huge thing. You can make it this underground

cool thing to know about. Like, are you part of the Tiger Tracker crew? Do you follow him? Are you so obsessed with Tiger tracker or with Tiger that you follow this account that you buy like Tiger Tracker t-shirts that you're so invested in this account like that would have been a very very cool thing and it seemed like they just missed the boat like now it's just this account that has 450,000 followers that they don't know what to do with. Dude and they you know I think the article does a decent job of it but it is very hard to explain

to people how time consuming and difficult it is to tweet like Tiger Tracker tweets. Like we've tried to do it. We've done it in events and stuff. You might not have service in certain spots. You might not have a vantage point. You might like while walking inside the ropes, you might just strike up a conversation with somebody like Robbie Mac or somebody's

agent or a buddy, you know. And then you're just like all of a sudden for 15 minutes, well, you missed fucking five shots and you couldn't like. So it's very, very difficult to do what that account does for five hours straight while also trying to do other things. Like these writers had to do or like we would do if we were trying to be Tiger Tracker. Like that's fucking impossible to do that.

You know what's funny is my main thought once I got done reading that article was, you know what they should do? They should have one guy running this account. They should have one person. Like that's been the rumor the whole time where it's like, who is this one mysterious guy? Come to find out it's eight guys whoever on site.

And the main takeaway for me was like, oh, they should have just hired one guy to do it. And that was his job. He wouldn't have to do TV. wouldn't have to write, you know, recap articles. His main job would be, I'm Tiger Tracker. But that was, and that's what people thought it was all along, and that's what they should have done at the end of the day.

It was very interesting. Yeah, and they, you know, like, if they, from a business perspective, they could have done that. They could find ways to monetize that account that would way more than pay for someone's salary to just, literally just track Tiger Woods. Now, I see a ton of tweets of like, this is the most obvious barstool hire of all time. Well, A, you can't hire an entire.

staff of like golf channel riders so that it just doesn't really make sense from that standpoint and b you don't own the account so like i'm sure NBC or golf channel whoever owns the account technically like they so you can't buy we'd have to like buy that account and then buy or pay for somebody to run it like i guess one of us could try to run an account you know like that we probably could but then also you got to realize like tiger only plays like fucking five times a year. So it's like if you're going to hire somebody full time, they have to do something else the rest of the year. They can't just take seven weeks off at a time and then work. So it's a little bit, it's like it's very tricky. And I imagine that kind of was part of it as well for them. But, you know,

they could, they could take one of their, they should just figure it out. They did it. They talked about how for the masters, they were going to bring in like a freelance person from the outside to run it. And that the whole crew that has been the conglomerate that's been running the account was like, are you guys fucking idiots? How do you not, like, do you know what goes into this account? Do you know how hard we've worked to, like, work with each other to make sure that you write the same way and make the same references? They talked about there's like a multi-decade gap between the youngest person that runs it and the oldest person that runs it. So now you've got, what, a 55-year-old trying to run this account.

Like, they need to know the culture of it. So it's very, very fascinating. And I think it's, again, it's worth talking about because it's a huge account in the world of golf. I think, oh, go ahead, Lurch. No, no, I was just going to say to your point of, like, it being a huge account, like, it's massive. For, like, the standard, like, desk jockeys out there, if you have your tabs open and you can't actually watch the golf at that given time, but Tiger's playing, like, you have one tab open and that's just cheesy tiger tractor. Because to Riggs's point, like, yeah, you want to know that he made a birdie on eight, but, like, did he hit in the right rough? Can you now get excited about the ninth ball because he ripped one down the middle?

Like it's all those little things the account was so good at and it never missed a beat. I think in that article, I'm just looking at it now, 47,000 tweets. Like that is not just, I'm not working. It's like that is so active. It's insane. And then how they went about it to the freelancer, like, well, you can't do that because there's certain emojis that they put in there when he makes a birdie or does this or does that. And it became this cult following that everybody was glued to. Like when I was working at Oracle, there was just a thousand.

guys in a room and all we wanted was one TV screen that just had Tiger, but we didn't have that. So you just like walk around between cubes and everybody had GC Tiger Tracker opening. That was just like the Bible for that given day. Like that was the way you watch. Yeah, it's a necessity for golf watching. Even when you're watching the coverage, he lets you know like where the ball really is. Like when you're watching the master's like, oh, like Tiger kind of striped that down the left side. Is that in the fair way? And Tiger tracker is saying like, oh, we're in goes zone territory for the screen to be into like, like, no problem and you're fucking jacked even though you're watching the coverage that the rest of the

world is watching you now have more information than the average viewer because of gc tiger tracker um it's a shame that this is all going on because it's such a fun awesome great idea from a company that like probably doesn't have that great of uh like unique ideas always coming out the fact that they have a thing called tiger tracker and that it's must watch must like can like must obtain that information type of Twitter account and they're just letting it fucking run amok and and they're ruining it is kind of a shame. Yeah, I don't know that we'd be able to really pull this stuff because we don't have the juice that Tiger Tracker had. I mean, he had the access and he has fucking just, I mean, this crew had the access and just incredible awareness on when to tweet

and how to tweet. Incredible awareness. And you have to have like the access is huge and you have to have like secondary reasoning to be there right like if we go the golf channel writer who's at the zozo or who's at the farmer's insurance like they're also there to write you know an article or two a day so like overall justification of them being at the tournament and also handling the tiger tracker makes a ton of sense whereas like we don't have access at all the events and on top of that like what it doesn't justify to just tweet about tiger woods the whole time when it's like could kind of do that and just be watching on TV, but we're going to fly from New York to like San Diego and not be able to put out video content because like maybe the tour is not good.

So it's very like it's it's it worked out perfectly for them and they talk about in their heyday. Like it was it was relatively easy for them to make it part of their staff that was on site because they had to be on site for a bunch of other reasons. Whereas like we're not writing written pieces. We don't take quotes from afterwards and like we're not journalists. That's just not what we do. we do video content, we do podcasts, we do kind of like reactionary commentary type tweeting, not necessarily like journalistic tweeting on exactly where Tiger's ball is.

But yeah, like if Tiger Tracker was just one human bidding who owned the account, and then it would probably be like, yeah, we should get that person on staff, but that's just not the case. Yeah. And not, I mean, at one point they should have looked at the priorities, not to say that those recap articles that those guys are writing aren't getting clicks, but I bet the Tiger Tracker, all the Tiger Tracker stuff gets way more traction and has way more of an impact than some of the article, some of the recap articles that these guys are writing. And that's just like a mismanagement of priorities.

Right. It's 100%. If they focus, like you can monetize what that Tiger Tracker account is doing way more than you can monetize a article. And we know that because we have a website. Like, don't get me wrong. The blog is very important. I can page views to it all day. but if you were to isolate any one, you know, article about, you know, golf that day versus the fan engagement and the reaction and how glued into the account people are for like six, seven hours a day for four days straight at every event.

Like even his practice rounds are like must, must read tweets. It's like, how's Tiger playing on Tuesday? Like, what's his demeanor like in the pro am on Wednesday? Is he smiling? Oh, he's smiling? Fuck yeah. You share that with your day. He's like, you hear Tiger smiling and he just made two.

parties in a row on Wednesday. It's like you're just into it. And then you're comparing that or you're prioritizing like what Paul Casey said about his trackman numbers on Wednesday. Like who gives a fuck about that? So, you know, I agree with you. It's clearly a misunderstanding of the priority. And it sucks because it seems like they sort of have already missed the boat and mismanaged it. And now the account is at least for the time being just dormant. And I mean, Tiger's playing with his son this weekend. Doesn't sound like there's going to be any tweeting about it. a mess. And it is like it's almost like old metrics too of, you know, Twitter drugs so many likes, so many retweets and they're carried about like, I don't know, page time and whatever

other metrics you get off a standard website. But like when I go back to the example of just me and all my like co-workers looking at, like we would just sit on that like specific URL for GCT tracker all day long. So like if you wanted to compare like metrics of like read time, how much time I was on a page, which I don't think Twitter actually. looks at. Like, we would just be on that one page all day long. And it's just a total mismatch. Like, the fact that there's going to be potentially, like, I don't know this for sure, but like a dormant G.C. Tiger account, when Tiger is playing with his son could be the biggest day for that account in the history of the account. Like, they could launch a G.C. like Charlie tracker. You know,

like it just, and the tracker game, as now we all know, is becoming so weird and wild. And now friends thinking, hey, maybe that's our idea. Maybe we should launch that. Charlie Tracker made my ears perk up. I just, you know, that's interesting. Also, like, how hard would it be? Think about how many people, like we said, are tuned into every single tweet.

I've been there thousands of times where you're just refreshing Tiger Tracker, waiting for the update. And if, like, once an hour, you just tweeted out a fucking sponsored tweet. Like, how hard would that be, you know? Like, fucking go to Owensimixures.com. We got this great transfusion with, like, a nice picture of a transfusion. It's like, you know how much value there is in that? And that's not going to.

You're not ruining the account. Like everyone, you know how easily I would sign up for that? I'd be like, yeah, fucking plug me all day. I just keep giving me the tiger updates. I don't care. I'll buy your fucking transfusion.

That's great. Just keep giving me the updates. I'm happy to support, just like people do with us. Like, they're happy to go to our URLs with our codes and buy our stuff because they get to listen to a podcast that's free every day, twice a week.

Great, give it to me. I'm happy to play along. This is how the world works. We live in a capitalist society. And they've just never been able to do that. And that's crazy. It is. like it would be so easy.

Like not even being creative. It's like, oh, Tiger's making the turn. Guess I have time to run and go get like an Owens mixer. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's the easiest. Like it's an update yet also an ad. Like it is so simple and they just mismanage that to like a thousand. Just like a zoom in from his, you know, like Tiger nips one tight on on the par five going for it too.

He almost hold it out for Eagle. And then you've got like a sweet up close high quality photo. of like his tailor-made wedges. And it's like, remember, he's using the, blah, blah, blah, you get that here. And I'd be like, you know how many of those you would sell? It's like, it's so easy to do and they just never did it. Right. You could almost co-sponsor, like you just, as a sales team, you reach out to all of Tiger's sponsors

and just be like, we're not Tiger, but like we're just, we're the same thing as him. And we'll just like continually promote all of his brands, so sign a deal with Taylor Made. And all everybody else he works with. And lo and behold, like you have just perfect synergy. And I feel like I can sense right now at least a couple of those writers that worked on that account are listening to this because I know they're pulling their hair out because it says in the article that like that's pretty much what they pitched. And they pretty much said like we could work with tire sponsors. We'll be like whatever. And I'm sure I know those guys.

I know that like how flustered they must have been that you have this massive asset. they see other like alternative golf media ourselves included and probably at the forefront of it that like are capitalizing on things like this and they've just been roadblocked a whole time and to the point now where golf channel had to, you know, it's restructured, it's relocated and it's just got to be really, really frustrating. As a fan of the account, it's very frustrating. I think it's going to lay dormant. I think it's, I think it's going to lay dormant, at least for the foreseeable future. There's so many business paths to make that work though. It's like, all right, So you manage the account, no expense to the golf channel.

Like if I was the person, if I was GC Tiger Tracker, I'd be like, look, I'm going to manage this account. I'm going to go to the tournaments. I'm going to tweet about it. I'll give you 20% of all revenues, but I've got a business path that's going to make this work. And like, it's no expense to them. Like, I can't believe that they can't come to terms on this to make it go forward because the last line is sad and sucks. And they're like, sadly, it's just a nasty divorce. and you're like, oh, that's just a bust on so many levels.

Like, how can you let that be? It really speaks to how big of a personality, Tiger Woods, is that there's getting in legit arguments and corporations are weighing in, and they're writing media articles about the guy who follows him on a golf course and tweets about every shot of his. It's really incredible. What if Tiger stepped in and just did an ad and posted it online?

It's like, I need the G.C. Tiger tracker to exist. You imagine the scrambling suits? Or if like golf TV just absorbed it. I mean, that Tiger Trucker's already North Korea like in terms of how they follow him and love him. They might as well just absorb it, throw a guy on it and take it to however far they want to. You know what's almost more,

and it's a little more off topic, but what's more disastrous of what's going on with Tiger Woods? We talked about this a little bit. You just got so sad. Are you okay? Yeah, you're dead now. The fact that Tiger Woods doesn't have an all-time great logo, is one of the biggest misses

in the history of sports. We were comparing it to Michael Jordan and he's got the Jumpman logo. And the more I think about it, the more pisses me off that Tiger Woods, the coolest, baddest motherfucker on the planet who is a fucking machine, who is built to kill. The greatest golfer of all time doesn't have

like a shoe or a hat that the whole world wears. No one wears Tiger Woods golf shoes. No one really wears like the mock neck shirt when they're golfing. The fact that like it's not this tiger logo or something really cool that we're just wearing hoodies all day long, every day. Like you know what I mean? A million different hoodies, hats, fucking beanie, sweatpants, shoes, Jordan. Why not? This is the Pat Perez.

This is the conversation we had with. him while we were clearly going over his Jordan collection. And it's like, it's a miss. The best, the coolest Tiger Woods logo that's ever, is the one we came up with that we sold tons of, which was like the tiger fist bump. Right. Sunday's great again underneath it. And that, like, that logo was really cool.

You also, the, the Frank head cover logo that they've come out with in the last couple years, that thing fucks. But the actual TW, I'm not going to say it's horrific, but well, Jordan, it is horrific. Like it could be so cool. He could have sold and created such a brand. Look at how much money. What's Jordan make $400 million a year off of the Jordan brand,

the Jordan logo, the Jordan shoe, and Tiger's not making anything close to any. He's probably not making anything. Now, people do wear the Tiger Woods hat a decent amount, but outside of that, you really don't see it anywhere. I got one right here. Yeah, this is, that's it. Yeah, so that's a good logo, right?

Like, it's a fine logo, but it's T.W. It's like when you're thinking of Tiger Woods, like, sure, Tiger Woods, T.W. His initials, like, we'll put him in a cool little fucking thing. But, like, it's just, it never really caught on. This could be a good, this would be a good secondary logo. Yeah, it just never caught on. There's nothing about Tiger Woods that he doesn't own golf apparel. He doesn't own Michael Jordan owns basketball.

Well, yeah, he doesn't own golf. even though he does. He just didn't take, like, he didn't take advantage of him. He owns golf more than, Tiger Woods owns golf more than Michael Jordan owns basketball, I think, almost. Like to the sport, right? There's like, there's so many superstars in basketball, there's not that many in golf, and Tiger is the number one superstar who transcended the sport. He just didn't take advantage of it.

Michael Jordan just knew he's the fucking savant when it came to this stuff. And it's just a shame that Nike and all these other people that did this shit for Jordan couldn't fucking figure it out for Tiger Woods because he's just as fucking cool. Like that, like the jump man for Jordan is just the act of him jumping from the foul line and amazing everybody else to potentially do that

before, like that action logo. Like Tiger own the like, you know, just like, not a fist bump, not fist bump. What is that? Fist pump, there it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fist bump.

He owned the fist bump. Like, that, I feel like that could have been a logo that should have been but they just mismanaging and it's just a shame. And, you know, by some inside sources, it sounds like he doesn't even want to do it. Yeah. Two idiots from,

from basketball sports came up with a better tiger with logo than they did over 20 years ago. Of course you did. I mean, yeah, it was a no-brainer. It was like, we sent a couple emails to our graphics guy at the time and they just whipped up that logo in like a day and put it out and people went crazy. Tiger Tracker.

We also brought to bring this full circle with Tiger Tracker tweeted about it. He's like, oh, this shirt's sick. And it was like kind of a no brain. Now that I look back, Tracker might have been doing that as a fuck you to golf channel, which I mean, that could have been, who knows? But the whole point is that like, yeah, Tiger could have been, what could have been branding wise.

I mean, we should be obsessed with Tiger Flatbrams and Tiger hoodies. And like, the only tiger stuff we wear, the red mock necks, we do it as a bit. Like, we kind of do it as a buffet a bit whenever we do it. That's literally what, that's the only reason I have this hat is for, when we're like, hey, we're going to do something Tiger-like, let's do the red mock neck and the black pants and the black hat. Like, that's it.

Yeah, we do it as a joke. Like, we're kind of mocking the whole situation. Instead, like, it should be, even we talk on the show. Like, if someone shows up in a tiger outfit on the golf course, like, they're usually to be laughed at. It's, like, kind of a joke that they're going to, like, unless you're going to shoot 61, like, you can't show up wearing the outfit. I guess in Tiger's defense, like, you know, Nike backed up so many brink trucks to his house

that he doesn't have to worry about it. It's just he could have made, you know, a couple billion as opposed to a couple hundred million. So at the end of the day, he's like, what do I care? Like, yeah, it'd be nice, but I'm still living a pretty nice life. But he could be making Michael Jordan money yearly. And let's be honest, it's not, like, we keep saying Tiger. It's not up to Tiger to, like, come up with his logo and be the branding guy.

And it wasn't up to Jordan either. Like that was his team. Like, yeah, obviously he's a part of it. He makes some decisions. But ultimately, like, your team around you. And that's just a miss. Like, Tiger's gear should be, it should just, it should be something, and it's just not. Like, yeah, they've done a little bit and people probably throw somebody, well, they sold that.

It's not iconic. It's not, it's not, it's not cool. It's not something that, like, look at what Jordan's shoes are. Look at what, it's just fucking awesome. The jump man is awesome. Even the equipment he didn't take advantage of. Like the Sasquatch and the Nike equipment was unusable. It was, people bought it because it was Tiger, but like, it wasn't.

really the tiger driver like tiger doesn't have fucking clubs he doesn't have putters he uses tailor me he's scotty cameron you know it's he uses other brands which is great for the brands but like you would think like jordan was trying on his shoes and wearing new shoes and perfecting his shoes before playoff games and like putting on new pairs of shoes and being he was being like a shoe an ambassador for his brand while being the best at his sport like tigers like Yeah, he's wearing the red, and that's the best branding maybe in sports history, the red on Sunday. But it doesn't translate to me going to the mall and buying something or supporting Tiger Woods.

I'm not saying he needs any more money, but like, fuck, he could have taken, neither did Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan didn't need any more money sitting on a fucking pile of cash now because he has guys like Pat Perez filling up his fucking movie room with thousands of pounds of of thousands of shoes for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, Jordan hasn't played basketball in 20 years. still to this day when there's a Jordan's drop, a shoe drop, people go fucking crazy. The people are on the internet.

They're like, oh, I didn't get them that time. People like, oh, fuck you, I got them. Like, that's still happening. And Jordan hasn't played basketball in decades. Jordan's a little bit of a different, like, selling point. He's the Chicago Bulls. He's the NBA. He was winning all these championships.

But like, and he had people waiting outside his fucking hotel room everywhere. Like, Tiger's super private. That's the way they lived their lives. like Jordan was in the limelight, Tiger tried to hide from it, I feel like, when it came from off the golf course. But like he still had the same opportunity. And then early in the early 2000s, late 90s when Tiger Woods is winning the Tiger Slam and all these things are happening. Like he could have sold just as much his brand as anyone else. He was on all the commercials, but he was pushing just regular Nike products.

Like the Nike swoosh, his swing would go in slow motion with a symphony commercial. Instead of it being like the Tiger Woods Golf Club, it was like, nice. Nike. It was just the brand. He was pushing someone else's brand. Getting a shit ton of money for it. But it's just, it's like we missed, we missed, missed, missed, missed all these years. A really cool logo with really cool merch. Because my room, like, Pap Perez has a fucking room of Michael Jordan.

I want to have a room of Tiger Woods shit. It's not just going to be a bunch of fucking red shirts and driverhead cover that they don't even really sell. I agree. It's a miss. I wish, I wish that we had that. I really do. Another thing that would be a miss, by the way, is to not have Roman whenever you're having sex. Sex is cool.

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Go to get roman.com slash four. Okay, once again, we have a long show and we didn't get to a single from the gallery, which happens every fucking time that we do this show. But I do have good news for folks, which is that our little programming update we did earlier, pretty much the next couple shows and the next couple weeks of shows, we're going to just let it rip going through from the galleries for hours and hours. And we're going to put those, you know, three or four shows out or throughout the holiday. So those are coming. All the from the galleries that you guys submitted, please submit. more. Email us for Play at barstalsports.com. Title it from the gallery. Don't make it longer. I won't read it. And we're just going to crank through dozens of from the galleries over the

next couple weeks. So we will get to them. Now it's time to get to our good friend, country music star, Chase Rice. All right. Well, we kind of hop right in. You know, we don't do official introductions. We got Chase Rice. I think it's your second or third time on the show. Last time we saw you was really you were thrown in the fire. I mean, it was probably the 12th or 13th hole back nine scramble match and darius rucker just leaves and then jake owen and company tagged you in and all of a sudden you had to play in this match yeah i literally just started golfing this year like i didn't before this year i didn't have clubs i didn't i bought a bag before i even had clubs to put it man i don't know why i did that but now i got that bag filled up

with my own clubs the extra half-inch with the two degree upright man i'm dialed now i got my i got a new rider last week. I just learned to golf this year. I love it. The first time I met you guys, like I said, I wouldn't even golfing then. So this year's been obviously a lot more downtime. So you've got to figure out what to do with it besides just writing songs and producing all the time. So I got into golf and it was right there at Trubidor. So I went from not golfing at all to now owning a house on a golf course. Yeah, what made you get into it? Was it the pandemic quarantine and more downtime where I know all those country guys, they seem to golf was part of that? Like, what got you into it?

Yeah, it was literally just having a lot of downtime. I love hunting, I love fishing, and I love music. Those are the biggest three for me, and now I throw golf into that category because I just didn't have anything to do. I mean, I get burned out if I'm writing too many songs. And I was with James Neal and Ryan Johansson from the National Predators, and those guys are big golfers.

So they started going to this new place called Trubidor in town. And like I said, I literally threw going with those guys to Trubidor. Trubodore is a different style of golf. It's music playing, it's drinking. I don't have one score still to this day on a scorecard filled out fully from Trubodore because I haven't finished 18 holes yet. Or at least I haven't finished it even halfway sober. It's a fun style of golf, which I think really made me start enjoying it.

But now I go to the range. I'm like, I'm out there in the shed, you know, getting it done, trying to figure out how to drive over 300 yards trying to figure out like when i was looking at clubs it uh the question that always asked you online is how far you hit your seven iron i'm like how the hell am i supposed to know how far i hit my seven iron who knows that and now i'm realizing that's pretty common knowledge to know how far you hit your clubs yeah but it's also it's um it's also like you could you could just be like which swing like i could hit my seven iron 120 if i hit if i miss it i could hit it 175 or 80 if i flush it so it's those

things are it's tough like I went I remember one earlier this year when I was doing my little quarantine at pie hearse I went over to high needles one day I think it was the true spec guys and uh they're like you know we want to give you the whole fitting experience we'll kind of take carry I was like course I'll do that so I hop over there and I just I was shanking my six eye like every other swing was just a cold shake and they're like you know we think you need these shafts and I was like no I don't think I don't need anything right I need to go home take a maybe like a warm soup because I can't hit the ball in play. So how are you supposed to judge off of that?

I think the same thing with like how far to hit your seven or it's like, dude, some days I hit it 150, some days I hit it 180. I don't have any fucking idea how far it. Yeah, it's for me. And then people are like, oh, man, I'd hit a soft seven. It's like I don't have a soft seven in my bag. I don't have a soft anything in my bag. I'm swinging full on every time I hack it that ball.

So I'm just trying to figure out what that is. and the better I'm getting, now I'm like, man, I just hit my seven ironer, sailed the green at 170 yards. I guess that's a six iron, or I guess that's an eight iron now for me. But, yeah, it's an interesting game. And I asked Ryan, Johanson, I asked him, I said, when you're over the ball, are you contemplating like, man, I hope I connect this time, I hope I don't duff it, I hope I don't swing it right, just completely shank it.

Like you were just talking about, and he just looks at me like I have two heads. He's like, no. I just know I'm going to hit the ball solid every time. And I don't know how you get to that point. I think you can only get to that point if you grew up golfing. I genuinely don't believe that you can get great at golf if you start later in life. I'm starting to question that because I have my great shots and I can be good. But then there's always going to be that one that's like, oh, yep, I'm clearly not great at golf.

Over the ball is really interesting. Some people say, you know, have no thoughts. You want to clear your mind or you want to have one swing thought or you don't want to be thinking about too much. I still haven't perfected that. But I think getting closer to having no thoughts is better than having 500 thoughts. Like, oh, I got to come through. I got to go. Having less thoughts, I think is a good thing.

Yeah. For me, it's like if I'm up there playing on stage, I'm not thinking about it. I'm just doing it. If I played football, the best games I played, it wasn't like, okay, ball. is about to snap. I need to be in my A gap. No, you're sitting over there. You're watching the quarterback. You're watching everything. Knowing what you're supposed to do, but you're just reacting. And I've not gotten to that point in golf yet. I'm not sure I ever will because I think, I do think golf is much more of a mental game than any other sport. Like, Colt Ford said it to him

one time. He was like, he said, man, there's no other sport where you're standing completely still when you're about to do, that you grew up playing when you're about to do your job. Like, football, you're moving around. Baseball, you're sitting up there like this. It's like, golf, you're like, that's not normal. It is so interesting. You know, I've always, over the ball is such an interesting place in sport, right? It's like one of the most interesting places in all of sports is when you're standing over a golf ball about to take a swing. And, you know, like we're talking now about how you're right. Like a lot of it's so reactionary. I think maybe that's like the Matt Wolf thing.

where he does the hardcore, like, right knee kick in to activate the hips. Like Jack Nicholas did a little head tilt to get kind of like a swing trigger. And like, yeah, and other guys do like a waggle. You see like some part like Duffner, Jason Duffner has the most epic waggle of all time where he three gigantic waggles over the ball. But when you're over the ball, I do wonder all the time like, like Rory McElroy. Right. Like he's not thinking, okay, man, like take it back.

Like don't take it back too far inside. And then when you get to the top, like point the shaft to the right. And then he's just, I guess he's probably just thinking like I'm going to draw the ball or whatever. And that must be awesome. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what that's like. But, yeah, I think it's just they've done it so much. You've got to do it as a kid. What you do as a kid, you usually pick up a lot easier later in life.

I can handle all that, the waggles, Furek swing. I can handle all the weird stuff about golf. What I cannot handle is more than. one practice swing. If you take more than one practice swing, I'm losing my mind. I'm like, hit the damn ball. It's not, come on, you're not going to get any better with 16 practice swings. Just hit the damn thing. People usually waste their good swing on the practice swing. Our guy Frankie Borelli, who's not here right now, but his best swings are always the practice swing. And we tell them every single time, don't practice swing. Just step up to the ball and hit it.

And he always uses his best swing in the practice swing. I'm with you, though. If you start practicing swinging more than once, you better be on the tour. Like, you better hit a great ball because otherwise you're just wasting our time. Yeah, my buddy John who actually introduced me to, he's my tour manager. He introduced me to Barstool back in like 2010 or 2012 or something like that, way back. And he's the king of that. He gets over there and both his practice swings with the driver hit the ground. I'm like, dude, you're not supposed to hit the ground with your driver.

And I don't know much about golf, but I know that. And then he gets up there and he's like, oh, man, I dropped my right knee. and my left ankle twisted a little bit more. It's like, no, you hit the ground both practice swings. You're going to hit the damn ground when you do your real swing too. And that's if he only takes two practice swings. Usually it's like three. Come on, John.

If you're watching this, hit the damn ball. Just get up there and hit it. It's infuriating when people, if I'll say this, if you take two or three practice swings and then you flush it down the middle and you shoot like even far, you post a really good score, I can handle it a little bit because it's like that's working. And overall, you're going to. good enough that you're actually saving us time because the rest of us,

I mean, if I'm hitting fucking 85 shots, like, that's just going to take longer than it takes to hit. So that I can, I can stomach it. But you're right. When someone goes up and they take a million practice rings and again, a shout to our guy, Frankie, who he's, he's not a slow player. No. But when he was going, when he was going through his chipping, and his chipping is not perfect

now, but it's better. When he was going through the worst of his chipping hips, dude, he would take like 11 practice. I can't stand there just kept. And then just blade one 70 yards over the green. You're like, dude, no, like you just got what you got. You can't, you're not going to find it out of you. I'm with you, man.

I'm glad you guys agree because it drives me nuts. And then you can't be like, just hit the damn ball because then they stop. And they're like, dude, you just messed up my whole thing. I got to redo it. Yes, come on. Just hit the ball. I got to redo it. Isn't that the way?

It's like, man, I remember growing up getting into the game. game, you know, it's not growing up, but maybe when I was 17, 18, I started to really get into golf. So it was probably 15 years ago. And you know how that is. You're watching golf channel nonstop. You're reading like golf digest articles. You're on a plane and you find yourself like deep, deep in like fucking, you know, lead better's thoughts on how to like perfect the sit. And a lot of it was like pre-shot routine. And I remember going through that phase then where every one of my buddies now had like a pre-shot routine. and they would go through their whole pre-shot routine before every swing and then hit a 40-yard slice that went like 210.

And you're just like, dude, no. Like, I get, if you're trying to win a golf tournament on tour and trying to make a million dollars, and you need to in the moment, like, try to somehow fight off the nerves and stick to it. I get that like a routine is kind of how you get. Dude, we're out here trying to break a hundred. Like, what the fuck are you?

Step up and hit the ball. Like, it's like you're all. sudden you're playing with a bunch of Jason Days who shoot triple digits. It's crazy. Close in their eyes and visualizing behind the ball for 15. You're like, dude, what are you visualizing? I know, I'll paint the picture for you. Dude, you're going to come over the top. You're going to cast at it. It's going to spin off to the right. We'll go find it. We'll hit it again. You don't need to do the routine. Yeah, they do the whole back of advance thing. It's like visualize the field or whatever they're talking about. Come on, you're not in

back of vance. Just hit the ball. You know what's even worse? We've been playing video games that PJA tour 2K21. I don't know if you guys play that at all. But there's a practice swing option on that. And there's guys who will come up to the ball in a video game and they'll take three practice swings. And I want to throw my controller through the TV. It's like, will you just hit the fucking ball?

It's a video game. That is the most, that game's great, but that's the most infuriating part that they even give those guys an option. You got to be a real asshole to take a practice swing in a video game. Yeah. No, that's even, yeah, you do that. You deserve to have a video control come out of your TV

and hit you in the forehead. That's bad, man. And then for me lately, what I've also noticed is if I'm hitting the ball really well on the range, oh my God, I'm about to have the worst day of the round. I don't get that. I guess, like you said, you waste your good swings. You know, I don't know if it's a mental. I think it, the issue with that is it, I think, and again, I don't know the answer.

Otherwise, I just wouldn't do it. I've had the last couple months has been, I've had the worst case of that where I just can't bring my range game to the course. People talk about that all time. I'll hit like 12 drivers, great drive. Not like, oh, perfect. I'm not fucking Rory, but like, there'll be really solid drives that even the worst one would be like in the right rough and you're fine and went out there pretty good ways.

I get to the first tee and they'll be like, two off the first tee and I hit this tabby at Whisper Rock. I like shank, towed one off to the right. And then I teed another one up. I'm like, ha, yeah, great time, guy. And then I hit just a high hook out of play left. And I'm like, dude, how is that physically possible? And I think, like, I think it's better to have a shitty range.

All my good rounds are after I've had a shitty range session. Because mentally, you're in a better place on the course when you do inevitably hit a bad shot because you know that they're coming. Whereas, when you have a great range session, you somehow get on this, your expectation, your bar raises. And then when you go below it, we're not mentally tough enough to recover from that. And it's just a train. Yeah. I mean, I don't know why. If I have a good range session, I genuinely think I'm going to birdie or parades.

every hole. And it's like, dude, the highest score of the best, I guess the lowest score I've ever had was an 89. Why do I think all of a sudden I'm going to go out there and hit a 71? Like, I'm the biggest idiot in the world to think that I can do that, but I do. And all that ends up doing is me by the third hole, start slugging some Jack and Coke, whatever. And I'm just like, okay, I'm done golfing. I'm done golfing for the day. I'm just going to drink. Is Jack you go to? I feel like country country singers, Jack's like, go to for everybody. Or church has songs about it.

Oh, church does. I do. Yeah, it always has been, man. I don't know. I had a real tough experience with it way back in college, and I laid off it for like a couple of years. And then I remember one night at the bar, I was at La Rez and Chapel Hill. And they were handing my buddies were handing around shots.

And it was Jack. And I smell it. I'm just like, oh, man, I can't do this. And I did it. I toughed it out, did the right thing. and I don't know why from that night on. As soon as I did that, I was clear and good to go. So I've actually switched, though, I've started, Jack and Coke's kind of always been my thing.

And I've started drinking Jack and Pepsi, and I've just to piss people off because they're like, well, you can get that Jack and Coke and my Nause's a Jack and Pepsi. They're like, why? It confuses them, but it's amazing. Didn't it funny how you get a nice little kick out of a stupid shit like that in life? Just like, you know it's, you're setting them up for it. Like, oh, yeah, you're pouring it. You're, like, showcasing you pouring it.

So they'll ask. You're like, no, no, it's actually a Jack and Pepsi. Jack and Pepsi. It's a Jack and Mondeau. They're like, what? It's good. Try it. Are you, do you drink, like, on stage when you perform?

Oh, yeah. I'll have one or two before I go on. And then the problem is, if I, the more I drink, the better I think I do. And I'm like, I'll come off stage. I'm like high-fiving everybody. I'm like, I was the man out there. And then it never fails. The next day the drummer comes on my bus.

My drummer, Jeremy, comes on the bus. He's like, what's up, boss, man? I just, you were just kind of all over the place last night. And I'm like, no, dude, it was a great show. And then I'll listen back to some of the recordings. I'm like, oh, man, I was definitely all over the place last night. So I try to keep hold back now. And I don't even go remember because it's been literally,

this year we have. I've had like two shows this year. But so I've had to be a lot more careful because I go on. I've done a lot of acoustic shows, but I've had the full band. When you have the full band, you can kind of hide behind them. And mistakes don't show as much. When it's you and a guitar, if you're falling off your stool, people are probably going to notice that. So I've had to be careful this year, but I like having a couple before I go on.

And then there's a certain point about halfway through. I'm like, okay, the tougher part's over. I'm singing a bunch of songs from here and out that I really, really know well enough to not screw up. I can let loose a little bit. Man, it's funny, that's not, we're not on the same level, and not even close, so I'm going to preface it with that. But, like, you know, we do a couple podcasts a week. It's an audio show.

And- You got to kill that, man. Doesn't happen a lot, but, like, we've done, I don't know, probably 10, 15 times over the 300-plus shows we've done where I've clearly been drinking and other people, and in my mind, I'm like, man, like, we were ripping. Like that was a funny fucking show. We had a great time.

We were on point. And then in Everlake, the show goes out at midnight. So people started getting in for their morning commute. And by 7, 8 a.m. I get, I'll see 15 tweets. And I'm like, Wigsie was cranked for that show. That was a good one. I'm like, in my brain, nobody could tell. And it's just these people that there's no visual, there's no nothing.

They're just listening. They're like, oh, yeah, that guy's hammered. And you're like, fuck, I didn't think anybody knew. Yeah, that's the worst. But it always goes back to, I think, I think the expectations, like you said. For me, like high school football, I'd come in on Monday. I'd be like, oh, man, I had the best game ever.

16 tackles. I was the man. And I always watched it. And I'm like, damn, it doesn't look near as good as I thought it did. And then I'd come in, I'd be like, oh, my God, that was the worst game ever. I missed a tackle. Like in high school football, if you miss one tackle, you know, so then you're the worst player ever in your head.

And then you watch the tape and you're like, oh, that wasn't near as bad as I thought. So I think it's all expectations. But I think the rule of thumb is, it's just funny. like with your guy's job my job it's it's not only acceptable to drink on the job it's expected and praised to drink on the job the more of a shit show you are it's like the more attention you get these days and i don't understand why that's the thing but uh i've kind of gotten a little bit past that part of my life where now i'm actually focused on the music i'm focused on the songs people are paying good money.

Like, it's easy to do when they're paying $5 come to you play. Right. But when they're paying a lot of money to come see you play and there's a lot of people showing up, it's like, okay, I probably should give these people that money's worth. Yeah, it is, I do think, I guess,

I don't know, I'm just guessing, but I think it's authentic, right? It's like if this guy's singing about Jack and Pepsi and those are the jams that I listen. It sounds so funny, don't it? And then I go see him perform. and he's like, you know, he's got a full cocktail back there. Like, that's pretty authentic.

So I feel like that's, maybe that's why people like it so much. But yeah, it is a, it is a tough balance. Like, our brand is like, it's bar stu. These guys are normal, normal dudes, normal people, normal women who, who just shoot the shit and it feels like we're in the room. And if they're having a couple cocktails, like, that's what normal people do. So I think you're right. Like, you can get away with it a little bit, but also sometimes afterwards, you're like,

I can probably be better. You could probably be better. Yeah, that's how I feel. And for me, I'm at the point in my career where it's still very, very real. Jack's always been my thing. Mix it with whatever. I did shit lately. I've just been drinking it literally like last night we were sitting around the fire here at camp,

and I'm just sitting there drinking Sinatra just straight. And it's amazing. When you get into that mode, you're like, okay, you're starting to really appreciate Jack Nails or whatever you're drinking, you know, without the mixer. Right. I'm at a point in my life now where the job is very important to me. At this point, the party mode, I love party, but I got to get the job done first. The songs, the way I sing them, the way I'm running around on stage, the way I'm interacting

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Now we are back to our chat with Chase Rice. I'm interested in the like performing aspect, right? Like you just talked about it. It's a performance. You're an entertainer interacting with the crowd. And like especially for you guys, performance is how you guys like doing shows. How you make a lot of your money with like the different streaming and how to, so, I mean, do you look at how other people, like, I think of Kenny Chesney, right?

Like, he's one of the, in terms of country and performing, like, you could, people could, and there's debates, like, whether you love or hate his music, is he too poppy? Is he, is he classic, like, whatever? But in terms of performing, that guy fucking delivers. Like, he just puts on the performance. So do you, like, look at stuff like that and try to see how you can be more, not necessarily like somebody else, but how you can beef up your own performances? Absolutely.

Before this year, we were actually with one of Springsteen's old, not I guess stage coach is what you can call them. But there's people who can take your show and elevate it. I've always had a great show. Live show has always been one of our strengths. But like you said, it could be better. I mean, you go out there and our band rocks. I mean, when you got, we were on the Chesney tour,

it was me, Chesney, and Eric Church. And you had Eric Churches and Kenny's band on the side stage watching us perform. that's a huge compliment. It's like, oh, they really want to see what we're doing and they enjoy it. And that they all, even a bunch of Chesney's people, they said, when you guys bring it, we know we got to go onto a stage and bring it ourselves.

And that's just a huge compliment. But at the same time, I'm going to be on the same side of the stage when they're on, when church is on. And church and Chesney, that was such a cool concert because they're so different. Eric's up there. He doesn't run around as much as Kenny does, but he's got a thing about him that makes you shut up

and want to hear his songs. makes you want to focus on what he has to say. And Kenny's up there running around singing, however many number ones he has. I don't know, but his shows are so energetic and crazy fun to watch. I try to take it in, but at the same time, you can overthink it and be like, oh, I got to do this move. Like the golfing.

It's like you're not at your best when you're doing that. Right. So I try to watch it, take a couple notes in my head, and then go try it the next night. and the one thing I've noticed that I really want to get better on this year is not talking so much on stage. People want to come see you. They want to hear your talk.

But at the same time, I want to sing 17 songs instead of 13 if it's going to be in the same amount of time. And then when you do say something and when you do talk, people are going to listen. And I listen back to one of my shows. I was like, damn, I'm just talking too damn much. They didn't pay to come see me talk. They paid to come see me sing.

And there's always points where you can. do that but you really need to get to the music and deliver the songs which is why the people are there and i actually got that idea like you talked about taking notes from people i listen to eric church's live record and i'm sure it's edited and they cut some songs out or i don't know i'd have to ask him but man he doesn't talk a whole lot and he gets right to the music the transitions of the songs are awesome um and that's just the testament to who eric is as an artist that's interesting man And that's so, because I've seen both those guys, you know, we saw, we were there with you at Jake Owens event last year, which obviously, I was a little bit more of like a private smaller thing, but still it's like a live show. And like, you guys were, you guys were crushed. And you can tell, too, you get into it, which is just cool. Like, you can tell you love it, which goes such a long way. But it's, it's funny to hear you kind of break down the talking versus amount of time, play, because as a fan, I would never think about that. You just like, you just absorb. the show, right? Like, Trent's the same thing. It's like, we just observe and absorb

and whatever the show is, that's just the show. But behind, there's a person who, like, delivers that show, which in this case, it's fucking you. We're talking to you. And, like, it's up to you to determine how much to talk, not talk, which songs. And you're right. Like, when you guys break in between songs, then you, you kind of give you a little spiel. A lot of times they give, like, a background about the next song. And I'm thinking, like, I do think the best that do that, they keep it concise, and then they're right into the next one. And ultimately, at the end of the day, like, when you go, you kind of tell everybody about, like, which songs and how many songs you heard live and what it was like.

You don't talk about what fucking Chase was telling me about, like, hunting with the boys last weekend. You hear you talk. That goes back to, like, in the moment, if you're telling this long story about hunting with the boys or whatever you're doing on stage, and if you're drinking, you're having a blast. That can feel good in the moment, but at the same time, you listen back and you're like, man, that had nothing to do with why people were showing up to watch me play. Like, I think it should, for me, I'm learning. And here's the thing, if you're dead set on your show, and I've had years

where I was like this, where it was the same show every night, man, it's just, it's not a good place to be. I think the best people, the best artist, no matter what your job is, are the people that are obsessed with just getting better. No matter what year it is, look at Michael Jordan. He was just obsessed with getting better. And I think that's the biggest thing for me and my career, because it's still a very young career, but I've learned so much this year. I mean, the year with Kenny, Eric, that was huge. This year, our last big show was with Garth Brooks.

Nobody does it better than Garth Brooks up on stage, where he sits there and gets done with, you know, Honky Ton Bar Association, and then it's ringing out and he just looks at the crowd. Garth has this thing. He looks at the crowd. He's just, he's mesmerized. they are so into it. And I think a little bit of that is just part of the show.

But I think a lot of it is just how Garth is as a person. So he looks at the crowd. He's excited. This crowd starts cheering because you can see that he's excited. And he takes off his hat and says, oh man, Detroit, we've waited to be here for a while. This one's called French and Low Places or whatever he goes into. And he's just, he gets right into the song.

And actually that song, he starts with the three notes that start the whole song. but there's nobody I've learned from the best I've literally learned from the best in the business so I'm excited to take what I've learned even this year in the next year and do some more a lot of shows and be even better than we were before very cool man it's very interesting always just kind of hearing how the sausage is made and the thought process that goes into it and and again especially something that anybody can relate to everybody's been to a show everybody's been to a concert so like hearing from the other side of it is fascinating um tell us some of us about the new single. I know it was kind of spawned from quarantine and there's a lot of themes that

people could probably relate to involved in it. Yeah, drinking beer talking God, amen. It's with Florida Georgia Line and the biggest thing for me about it was I've never done a major collaboration ever. I've never put one out as a single. I've never really put one out, period, as a major thing. So I wanted my first one to be something. I think some collabs can come from just popular artists, coming together and making a big song, which is cool. But I personally wanted to be personal to me, and there couldn't be anything more personal than Brian and Tyler from Florida, Georgia Line, because I moved to Nashville in 2010, moved into their house.

They just started this thing that Brian was like, yeah, we're going to call it Florida Georgia Line, and as soon as I saw what they were doing, I was like, man, these guys are talented. And I'm growing up with Brian, but I'd never seen him be as good as he wore. was when him and Tyler were together and just like they just had a thing. And then we wrote Cruz 2012. That came out and changed country music history, really, which is something I'm very blessed to be a part of.

But 10 years goes by and all of a sudden we haven't worked together, which is kind of crazy, but life just goes that way. And then all of a sudden it comes back. That's attest to what they've done and how great they've been for that long. And attesting that me and our guys raising our game. up to that level, which is really cool to see. But the song itself, that's kind of the background of how the song happened. The song itself is just so relevant to this year, drinking beer, talking God, amen.

I've sat around more fires this year. I've definitely drank more beers. I never thought I need tour to get back going so I could calm my shit down and get back to focus on music. My God. I like to have fun on tour, but I didn't realize how much fun I like to have during quarantine. I need to get back on tour quick. But yeah, man, it's just a song about conversation, song about real life,

song about how life's been for a lot of us this year, having to slow down, which I think has been a really, really good thing in the grand scheme of things, even though it's kind of sucked at times. It's been really cool to sit around and get to know people in a way that normally you never would. Yeah, definitely. We had kind of a similar sentiment from seven. He's the CEO of the PJ of America or leader of the PJ of America, whatever his exact title. He runs the show with PJ of America, PJ Championship, all that stuff.

And he was talking a good amount about, and this was in, God, this must have been in May or April. I mean, it was pretty early in quarantine. But he was talking about, like, you know, quarantine sucks. Everybody knows it sucks. Bars are shut down. People are getting sick. People are dying. He's like, but when you look at some of the positives, you can take away, he's like, you know,

been in time with family and the amount of, you know, kind of like removing yourself from a lot of the typical robotic stuff in life and like how much you just kind of sit around and interact and chat and get to like know and understand people better has been something that's kind of come a lot on quarantine. I feel like the song, like you said, represents that. So it's just kind of interesting for people to reflect about. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I don't think we'll ever have another thing like this happening in our lifetime. If it does, we'll deal with it. But I just, I try, and I don't do it well all the time, but I'm trying to take the positives out of it.

And the song itself is actually a positive. I don't think without quarantine, I don't think this song is happening. And I definitely don't think it's happening with FGL. I think it just, everything led to this point where it was like, all right, let's get together in the studio and maybe work together again, produce this song together again. And that turns into, man, this song just feels like it should be a duet. How about you guys get on it? Brian being like, man, that would be fun to have a CRFGL song again 10 years later. It's just, it all the stars line.

And we've had a hell of a start. I just hope that we can play this song live next year. I think we'll be able to. The vaccines are all coming out. I think live shows will start coming back. They've been happening, but they just haven't been happening at a level that is exciting in the way the music's supposed to be listened to. But if we can get back to that and be playing the song live

and at some point me and FGL get up on stage together. That's going to be one hell of a show. Hell yeah. Well, look, man, keep it up. We're all pumping. Everybody's pumped for shows to come back. I think that's one of the biggest things. We all talk about bars, going out to bars, going out to restaurants.

We've got a little bit of taste to that. Now things are kind of shutting back down. But I feel like shows are going to pop off. Like that's going to be people like that and going to games, right? Like going to football games, going to hockey games, going to PJs, tour events, whatever it is. that and live shows because live shows are I mean we talk so much about performance on this show already but live shows people miss live shows man yeah man I miss them every I miss shit I just

want to go see one I was going to see spring spring this year I was going to see Willie Nelson this year I'm excited for the day that I can go do that um it needs to happen it will happen it's going to be a renaissance period right for sure it's going to be crazy as soon as the floodgates open it's it's going to be like you might try to shut them but good luck people are ready uh look we appreciate the time as always and uh we got to get gonna check out your little golf house at troubadour next time we're in town we got to get you in a better golf mindset than just jumping in as the as the fourth man in a scramble and a tight match down down the stretch yeah i don't think i helped the team pull through at all but jake certainly wasn't helping our cause i think he had a

a little bit of help from whatever he was drinking that day. I think he actually snapped the axle of a golf cart that day. But, man, I appreciate you guys. I want to be able to show you. I want to be able to show you my improvement. I've got my P790s ready to go, my Taylor Mays. That's not a sponsorship. That's just what I happen to buy at Golf Galaxy.

So they feel good. I'm getting better with them. I'm excited to play with you guys again. What a plug. That couldn't have been a better plug for us if you try. the P790s are sick. That's what I have played the P790s as well. Do you?

Yeah, that's what I was between those in the Mizuno MP20s, I think. And I went with the 790s and I was just like, they just felt good. They had some crazy pop. I was hitting them all further. By the way, on a simulator machine, I don't think I've ever hit a bad shot. Those things are full of shit. Like, I can't miss the green on those things. But I can certainly miss the green on the course, but the 790s are legit.

They're trying to rope. you in with those simulators, dude. It's like, they, they know if you hit, like every golfer says, if that one good shot that keeps you coming back on the golf course, well, now imagine a simulator can just all the shots are good. Of course, you're going to fucking come back. It's like, I can shank it, but somehow the ball, like, goes up in the air, comes back and lands on the green. It's like, oh, that's the club. It'll do that on the course, too, or it doesn't do that on the course, too. It's so true. I got the 770s and they're sick, so we're on the same page for that. Let's get on the course and do it again soon, man.

Y'all get down to Nashville. I'm a member of Truvador now. I was closing it when you guys were out there, but now I'm on there. Hell yeah. We'll get out. We'll play. We've got to check out that improvement. And we've got to come to a show.

That's like we've got to come to a show. Yeah, that'll be a whole thing. I don't think you guys, yeah, you came to the Jake thing, but that was all acoustic stuff. Get to a full band, real live show, and we've got a backstage bar. That's when you guys can just relax and have some fun. Hell, yeah. All right, Chase.

We appreciate it, man. Have fun out there. Hell yeah. Good talking to you, boys, man. Yeah, brother. Glad it.