Fore Play - Pinehurst & Tobacco Road Debrief

Episode Date: November 12, 2019

Pinehurst. Tobacco Road. A bucketlist buddies golf trip through North Carolina. This show recounts our journey from the wild and crazy Tobacco Road to the historic and cherished Pinehurst. We stayed at Tobacco Road's Stewart Cabin and at Pinehurst's Dornach Cottage (Donald Ross' old home). After each round, we sat by the fire and relived Tobacco Road, Pinehurst no. 8, no. 2, no. 4, and The Cradle. You don't want to miss this one!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We're back in New York City. We spent about 10, 11 days on the road. We were in Vera Beach. We are in North Carolina. We're in South Carolina. Now we're in New York.

This episode is very unique. It's be quite different than anyone we've ever done. What we did was after each of our four rounds across North Carolina. We played Tobacco Road. Then we played Pioneers number eight, number two, and number four. And the cradle. So five rounds, really. We recorded after those rounds, fresh takes, fresh reactions, fresh discussions about our rounds at each course.

We did it by the fire with a cocktail or two at the Dornet Cottage, which is at Pinehurst, which is Donald Ross's old home. So it was very, very unique. There's a lot of time jumping going on where you were confused in real time. It was a confusing time, but we got through it. I got to be honest, I couldn't tell you one thing I said in these podcasts. Nope, I don't really remember. Like I remember vague topics, but other than that, I don't, I, we recap all the... I know I said some shit in there.

Like, it was... Oh, we all said some shit. Because whenever we recorded them, yeah, we recorded them at the end of the day, which we usually played a bunch of golf, shot a ton of videos. I think on a couple of them, we'd had done the podcast before because we had a regular episode coming out. It's just, I feel like we're going to be loopy in a couple of these, but that'll probably make for good listening. Loopy is shit, man. I was so loopy at some of those. The first one, I think we said, all right, let's do about 10 minutes on, on two.

Today's experience. We went for an hour. An hour? We went for a full hour. On what? Tobacco Road and Piner's number eight. Yep. Damn. So I think that's what you're about to get.

Again, we did recorded like each day. So you're about to get a lot of different shit. It's also worth it. Yeah, it's going to be a lot, but it's so worth it because these are all travel destinations. These are places that, like, if you're looking to go somewhere, you can easily go book exactly what we did. Maybe not say at the Dornick Cottage. Actually, you can't.

And I think I actually, I think you continue to reiterate that fact. I kept reiterating that throughout the next. How long is this podcast going to be? Two hours, maybe? 225, Andrews. I tell you maybe 10 times within the next two hours that you can't do what we did and stay where we did. But you can do what we did. You can't stay in the haunted house that we stayed in.

Which is a real shame because I realized I left my laptop charger there. You do my laptop charger at the door. It's Donald Ross is now. I know. It's just part of the house now because we used it up there. I left it where you because you forgot you're somewhere on the flight trip. And then you left yours in Florida. I left mine in North Carolina.

It's in the giant bedroom upstairs. There's like a little bit of a hangout area in my room. Right to the left of the couch, my laptop charger's right there. Donald Ross would be charged his laptop with your charger, man. It's, it's gone. That sucks. I got to order a new one. It's one with the cottage.

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We did Tobacco Road. We did Pinehurst. It's very, very cool. Here we go. For Play, presented by Barstool Sports. This podcast will be a full North Carolina golf trip. Recap, reliving. I don't love the word recap.

I think recap is too general and kind of boring. Rehashing? Reliving, I like. Okay. Because it feels like you're alive. We're going to be your liaison for a North Carolina golf buddies trip. Do your North Carolina. North Carolina.

You come down here, you get a little twang to your voice. You get some sweet baby barbecue. and you just talk real low like this and if you all go down there to the Donald Bross Marshall, like this. And then you just fade off. We are live from the Dornet Cottage at Pinehurst Resort in North Carolina.

Donald Ross lived here. He built this place in 1925 until he died in the 1940s. We're just off the third green at Pinehurst number two, which we are about to play tomorrow. So the way this show is going to work, yesterday we played Tobacco Road. Today we played Pioneer's number eight.

We're going to go through that whole experience thus far. It is Tuesday night, November 4th. Let me look. 5th. November 5th, 2019. And we are going to relive our last basically three days that we've had. And then tomorrow and then Thursday night, we're going to go through relive Pioneerce number two and Pioneer's number four.

We haven't played those yet. So let's start with Tobacco Road. We landed in North Carolina on Sunday afternoon. We get a nice big old, or we have like a suburban is that what we got? Yes. We got a suburban. And if you were a little confused by what we just said, where we're like tomorrow, all this is just going to be in this one episode.

It's for us tomorrow. You just got to listen. I know people get confused with that because I get confused. Like, what day is it? What day are you guys recording? This is all one episode. So what we're doing is we are stop recording each night. Which we never do.

We've never done this. We golf, we come back, we record, we hit pause. The next day comes around, we golf, we record, we hit pause, and then we bundle it all together, and we put one podcast for you to listen to, and you can... You're doing it right now. All you have to do is press play. Yeah, you're actually, you've already pressed play. Right. You're listening to it.

You're on the ride. The ride is not stopping for you. How crazy is that they are now, like, we're talking to them, right? And our future has already been recorded on the podcast that they're listening to. When you hear my voice right now, it is now... We knew this was going to happen to, Frankie. Tuesday, November 5th, 2019, if you just, like, take your podcast, which I don't want you to do because you have to listen to the whole thing. But, like, if you just zoom to the end, that's something that happened to me in the future.

I could be dead. But right now, it's the beginning of the podcast, and it's Tuesday. Did you eat some CBD gummies before that? Is that what that's doing? You actually kind of just always like that. I'm always like that. So North Carolina, we, uh, Piehurst, man, we've been talking about going to Pie and Hurst for. ever the cradle the creation of the cradle that's pretty new the little nine holes short

course that they've got gill hans designed that thing uh that's been drawing us to to pine hairs forever they got 10 golf courses the number two course it's hosted u.s opens it was redone recently by core crinshaw like it was it was forever considered like the home of american golf the home of american tourism before the band doones and and the cabot links of the world like If you were in North America, the number one golf destination was Pinehurst. He had to come to North Carolina, and it's still up there. A lot of people still consider it number one. It's at worst, like a top three golf destination in the United States of America.

We'd never bet. So we said, okay, we got to go to Pinehurst. We book out this trip. And then the other course that people kept telling us, especially me, I love quirky golf. I love, you know, really unique type of golf. They're like, you've got to play Tobacco Road. Mike Strance, you've got to get to Tobacco Road. So we hit up Tobacco Road, a bunch of Stoley's there, a bunch of forwardplay fans there.

They helped us out. They said, you come. Not only will you guys come, but you're going to stay at the Stewart Cabin. Stewart Cabin is just off the 14th hole. Anybody who's played Tobacco Road before, the 14th hole is this downhill par three over a pond, and just to the right of the green, just beside the green, sits this little cabin where they originally worked out of when they built the golf course. Mike Strance was in there doing his thing.

He was drawing up sketches, and that's legit where they worked out of to build the golf course. It's really the first thing you see when you pull into the property. It's right to your right as you pull in. There it is. That's the Stewart Cabin. If you ever play there, the first cabin you see on the right, that's Stewart Cabin. A Stewart Cabin. You can get four people in there that'll let you put in.

And so we're like, all right, we're going to start our North Carolina trip by going to Tobacco Road. We're going to stay at the Stewart Cabin. And that's what we did. We get in Sunday afternoon. We pulled in around like 3 o'clock. And when we pulled in, we were stunned because you drive down. these roads and you don't really notice you're not really sure what's going on it doesn't really look like there's necessarily going to be a golf course right there and then you make this

left into this property you kind of see like you said you said you see like the 13th green you see the 14th hole you see the steward cabin and all of that and you see these tall like what are they north carolina of pines they're tall trees man they're tall trees i remember when i got there we were thinking of things to like ask certain people around the course because we're going to be doing some interviewing for a video series we're coming out with, which wait until you see what we have in store for you listeners and Foreplay fans. It's going to be outrageous. We're going to be stunned by that. You're going to be stunned by like what you can capture with a drone and what a video looks like when average golfers to

bad golfers play these premier courses. You look at me right in the eyes. When you transition from average golfer, you're kind of looking out there. Then you said bad golfers. You made intimate eye contact with shirt right there. It's just true. That's okay. You made like, I want to take you home that I look at it. But there's a sexiness to watch and Trent Daddy. And I'll give a little tease.

You know, I've been in the depths of hell sometimes on these courses already. And we're only two rounds in. So there is a tease to just know that like what we've been doing is out of this world with videography for just like a bunch of guys don't really know what the hell they're doing out there. We have drones and phones and we have two camera guys running around. and one of the first things I did is when we drove in, I typed into my phone, how old are the trees? That's all I wrote in. And I remember now, I don't even think I asked anyone.

I was just looking up at the trees, being like, how old are these trees? That's one of those things that the trees there are insane. You eat a THC Brownie and you wake up the next day and look at your Google history. Dude, I remember what the trees around here. When Riggs and I went out to Seattle, and we galloped out in Tacoma, Homecourse, Gold Mountain. So home course? Was it Home Course? Gold Mountain.

Aldera. There, it's got to be Aldera. I remember, like, people talking about the trees out. They were like, I don't know, fucking thousand-year-old trees. And they had the same height to them where it's all just skinny trunks. You can, like, see through them, right? And, like, underneath the trees, you know, a lot of places, especially in the Northeast, you get, like, this brush and this, like, fescuey brush, busy brush underneath the trees in the woods.

And, like, it's cluttered and you lose everything. There, it's all, or here where we are, it's all. pine and pine needles, right? And it's like your ball just sits up on top of them. And even though it messes with your shot, it might be fluffy and it's hard to hit out of it. You don't know if it's sandy or wispy. Like it's all so clear. So the trees are thin.

There's all these like the relatively clear pine needles underneath. And you can see through everything. Like you can see across the property through like the woods, which is, which is a really bizarre thing. Us again, like never having been to really this area or spent much time and being touristness, pulling in, you kind of drive like. Like on these little paths that are built between the really tall trees that Frankie looked up, how old there, and they're really old. It's a 1998 design, but the clubhouse feels like it's been there for 100 years when you pull in.

It has such a cool old school feel. They have a big old fireplace right in the middle of the clubhouse. A very small little like snack stand on the right hand side. It opens up into the pro shop on the left, all-time logo that they've got. And then... Oh, yeah. The logo. I was walking around the pro shop.

And, you know, I'm not putting that great. And that's something for another time talking about how bad my putting has been. Oh, soon. We're going to talk about it. Yeah. It's worse than my chipping. That's just a little tease for you. I would agree with that.

Way worse. Way worse. And that's bad because I have a name after me for the chipping. So we may have to come up with a name for the putting. You are the most infamous bad chipper in the world, I would say. And I'm 10 times worse. I don't even know if there is a second place. I'm 10 times worse at putting.

You are bad. Right now you just don't have a feel for it. Yeah, I don't have a feel. But I've been in this bad groove with putting recently, and I was walking through the pro shop at Tobacco Road. Like you said, it's an old school feel. I think it was built in 98. 98.

So, like, they really designed it to look old school. You'd think that this place has been there for 200 years. Yeah. And it feels like people stay there, like the Civil War, man. Yeah, for sure. That's like what it feels like. And I was walking through. Should I not have gone there?

What? I mean, that's a time that was a long time ago. Yeah. It happened a long time ago. Yeah. 1860. There you go. You know your history.

I took a class in college. If you would have asked me that, I wouldn't, I wouldn't know. It's like 1860 to 1865. No idea. Yeah. That's right. How far off would you have been? Like a century?

I would have said, um, probably would have said like 1890. Wouldn't have been that bad, but it was not bad at all. It's not bad. Not that bad. How about 1890 is like 24 years before World War I started? Yeah, that's tough. You're a part of it. So, yeah, I'm walking around and, uh, and I'm like,

Like, you know, I want to putt good today. And I was thinking that. I'm like, I'm going to play well. I'm going to put well. And I'm walking through this pro shop at Tobacco Road. And this freaking red putter cover is staring me in the face where I think like, you know when like in movies or TV shows like someone's eyes divert and it's like, dun dun, like real quick. And something's like, you zoom in on something. Yeah.

I zoomed in on this red tobacco road putter cover that just has, what is what is that thing that? That it's a, it's a coyote skull. Coyote's skull with antlers on it or something like that. Right? Doesn't that like fucking antlers on it? It doesn't have antlers. It's a skull. It can't be a coyote.

It's like a moose. It's like a moose. It's like a moose or like a deer skull. A deer or something. I think it's, I'm going to say. Whatever. It's a skull. Are there moose around here?

It's a skull of something that has antlers on it. It's just on the top of this putter cover. And I'm like, I walked out to the putting room with that. And you guys were like, holy shit. Because my Scotty Cameron has a red grip. Now I have a red putter cover It looks like a weapon inside of my bag You know what happened to the British man?

Let me tell you about this I know we're talking about wars The red coats I just can't get this off my mind Think about what happened to the British So for centuries Centuries Centuries

They were the best Navy of the world They're ever seen right They're like colonizing all over the planet They build like hundreds Thousands of these wooden ships Best ships in the world They're just dominating Early 1900s somebody else just

Invence steel ships like one of them steel ships could take out the whole fucking of those wooden ships are just useless just immediately someone just built a big ass steel ship and they're like you know what

I don't know I was like who was the first person to build a steel ship was like in like the French or the or the German and they're just the British ships man in World War I

they're fucking they're sailing these wooden ships in there and they just go I got toasted. Tough. They were living great. And then all of a sudden

steel games. I'm like, man, we're gonna be fine with all these ships. Think about how much ships you got. And then they see this what,

like what is that out there? What is that a ship? And all their ships are exploding. Boom. Boom. Imagine a wood ship going up against a steel modern day ship.

What's gonna do? No fucking chance. So anyways, that's like us going up against Tobacco Road. We just got our asses kicked. But we roll in. Very excited.

We did a bunch of drone in, which you guys are going to see. wake up Monday morning Martha Big shout to Martha who is Head pro there Pro there has kind of a lot of different roles She does social media as well

Transitioning into like a head of social media And the way their brand is going to be perceived And so she played with us Because we only got three out here Like we said multiple times Lurge can't make the trip He's at like a business conference in Chicago doing it Someone data Real job like a data conference

So there's just three of us Martha plays with us. First tea, Tobacco Road hits you with everything that everybody's been talking about. There's these two giant mounds on each side of the fairway. And it looks like you're at, like, the most intimidating bowling alley in the world where you've got to hit your drive through them.

Turns out you can, like, drive it over the mounds, which it's, it's hard to kind of convince your brain of that. Right, it messes with your eye. Big time. Big time. In terms of depth. And that's so different than like Piner's number eight today,

which we played, which we'll get to you. But, like, that is kind of the, when you look at the visuals and when you look at some of this drone photos that we put out, you're going to be stunned and be like, how do you play golf on that? Like, that looks like another planet and this and that. And, you know, they talk a lot about, and you'll see this on our video about how, you know, Mike Strance, who's the architect, he, RIP, he passed away. But you can tell he's such a legend around Tobacco Road. And the way that he built it was like, he used a lot of stuff that was already there. So they're like, they were saying, you know, we kind of like detest a little bit when people say it,

looks like you're on the moon or it looks like you're on Mars because like this is pretty much like a lot of these land formations and stuff. He just used them and built a golf course on top of it rather than moving all kinds of dirt. I don't really care because it looks like you're on fucking. Well, as I say, Martha did say she's like, I hate when people say it looks like it's on Mars because it's right here. It's on Earth.

You know, it's right in Sanford, whatever the place was called. Yeah, Sanford, North Carolina. Sanford, North Carolina. She's like, it's right here. You can come play it. You know, you don't have to go to Mars to play it. But, like, when we say it's like on Mars, it's, you're, I'm used to. you know the traditional just straight up

a little bit of elevation changes all green all green you know regular bunkers i mean here's another little fun fact about tobacco road they have zero bunkers zero all of all waste areas yep a lot of them you can drive your cart right through it there's no rakes we're talking about right around the green too oh yeah not a

everywhere no rakes on the course and let's be real people there's bunkers fucking everywhere it's one big bunker they just don't call it a bunker everywhere there's some like reddish sand that looks again legit like mars You can ground your club. You can, like, you don't have to rake after it.

You just kind of, like, walk out of it. You drive your cart through it. So it is like, you can change the lie, too, yeah? Yep. Yeah, it does say on the back of the scorecard, they're like, this is a local rule of you can't improve your position, but you can improve your lie. You can give yourself a good lie because their waste areas, like, animals walk through it. There's like animal tracks, cards drive through it. So, like, you're never going to, there's a lot of times you might end up in, like, a little hole because people just, like, walk through the bunkers.

But, like, you know, you just, you can, like, set it and give yourself a good lie, really however you want to play. I like that because that's actually a part that I really like because sometimes we go to these golf courses where when you're in the sand you feel like you are disturbing something. Like people are like, oh boy, you're really messing up like how pristine this place is. I like bunkers where waste areas, as they call them, where you can just kind of do whatever you want. Here's my big gripe with golf. In general? In general. Yeah.

You hit a great shot and, you know, you hit it down the fairway. the way golf should be played is like you should be rewarded with a good second shot and sometimes you just have these like shitty lies right like sometimes like the grass is just like weird like you should be able to always do what we did at Tobacco Road

and improve your life all the time you know where it really should be is in the fair way or like you know what I mean like even if it's not in the divv it's like up on the side or it's like or you're in that spot where you're in between the first cut and the fucking fairway like that drastically changes

your second shot. I go from shanking it to like hitting a pure shot into the green. That's a three-stroke difference for me. I've noticed that in my playing days. You know what golf should be? It should be if you're in your own fairway, you get like a scorecard length away and you can just place it perfectly. Right, because like why

is it, like you did everything you can do? And the intention is that you were going to be sitting perfectly on top of the grass. Right. And like you can't do anything more than that. You like, it's so hard to hit the ball 250 or 280 yards straight and you have this large target, like, that might be 30, 40, 60 yards wide that, like, the amateur

golfer is horrible at hitting. The best players in the world hit it at like 65, 70, whatever it is, percent of the time. So if you hit that, like, that should just all be one general great lot, the whole thing. Yeah. If Lyft clean in place was put in place for all amateur golfers across all public golf courses, I'm talking across the board, like even in the rough and in the woods, wherever you need to be, you would improve pace of play significantly. I think of the rough, too?

Anywhere. Rough's different. Rough's different. You should be rewarded. That's your rewarding a shot that wasn't that good. True. That goes against what you're going for. But I get what you mean.

When they put that fair way... I'm just trying to think of how slow the game is. Yeah. Just pop into my head. We don't have to get into that. No, pace of play-wise, it's probably not the worst idea. But anyways, Tobacco Road. One thing that we learn very quickly is that, like, it's more visually intimidating

than it actually is intimidating. Because... That's right. You know, when you look at the course back, right, after you drive the ball... Shout on Links, Jim. He said that's right 10 million times. Did he? Oh my gosh.

I didn't notice that. That's right. That's right. He's very affirming person. Yeah, that's right. People love that. Oh, he was the greatest. Linkshend is the greatest.

He is the greatest. John Cavalier, the best man I've ever met. Go follow him at Linkshend. That's so dramatic, but it's like true. One thing you learn is, like, at Tobacco Road, you look backwards on a hole and you realize like, man, like, we did just hit it over those mountains. Like, that looked ridiculous, but if you just hit a decent drive, a decent distance, like you're just going to hit it over those mountains.

Yeah, not to be fun. Not to jump too far, but 18. It's the prime example of that. You drive up to 18. You stand on that T-box, and you, and Frankie's got a pretty good story about this one. I don't know if you want to ruin it. But you stand there and you're like, this is impossible. If I don't get it over this, I'm going to be in hell.

I don't know how I'm going to get out of those bunkers or those waste areas. But then you realize the carry isn't that bad. And if you just hit a normal drive, ignore all that stuff that's there, you're just playing golf. Yeah, Martha was great for that. She was really putting our mind at ease because she obviously she knows the course. She's passionate about the golf course. She knows where to hit it, where not to hit it. One of the things that a lot of people who reach out to us said about Tobacco Road is that just trust your book, your yardage book, because there are spots in which you feel like, oh, my gosh, there's no way I have any chance to get this ball up on the green.

They're like, if you look at the yardage book, there's a ton of room. Even if you miss the green, there's stuff on the right and stuff on the left. Now, like, this was no easy golf course, aside from the topography, there was a ton of runoffs on this green, on these greens. I mean, it was impossible to hold to hold anything. I mean, we're not going to give it away And I know that sounds selfish I know that sounds fucking boring You're gonna love the video people

But when you see this video about I tweeted this out for anyone that may be wondering And they may have saw it I said that what happened to me on number five At Tobacco Road will live on with me for years I'm not over exaggerating No I think this clip will be one of the more famous clips

We ever put out Just because like I And I'm not giving way too much about this But I wasn't playing that great on the front And I wasn't playing that great to begin with And I get to number five, and I finally have hope. And something happens to me on this hole that's just, it's the definition of what can happen on North Carolina type of golf course,

like a Pinehurst or Tobacco Road, where they have these crazy things that are going on on the golf course. False fronts. And it's all wacky and false fronts, just wackiness. And, you know, you think you're going good. And then you're just not. But that's just, you'll have to wait for the video because I think you're going to really enjoying me

die. Let me say this. Like, Tobacco Road and the folks at Tobago Road took such good care of us. The hospitality was off the charts. It is a wacky, crazy golf course. It just is. There's no other way around it.

I personally love that. Tobacco Road is, like, in my opinion, a top 20 golf course I've ever played. It is so fun. It is so different. It's also a golf course where, you know, I was three over.

I drink through, like seven and shot a crazy number. And somebody DM me and we're like, you, I've played Tobago Road twice. I shot 104 and 76. And like, it's that kind of golf course where if you are hitting your spots, if you're hitting it out there relatively straight at a pretty consistent distance, like you're going to find yourself in good spots.

Like there's funnels and bowls on holes where like you can move the ball near the hole and the greens. Once you're in a good spot, you can make some putts. There's a ton of funnels and bowls. But if you miss spots, like if you, you chunk a wedge or something from, if you're 70 yards out, you chunk a wedge 30 yards short, you will be in a horrific spot that feels like you went from planet Earth to fucking the moon and you don't know what happened and how you're going to play a golf shop.

We asked, we asked anybody who worked there, what's the takeaway most people have when they play this golf course? And they said it's 50-50 most of the time. People will say this was the best round of golf in my life. I can't believe this place. I can't wait to come back. And the other half will say, I'm never coming back here ever again. And that's really, that's a pretty, you know, that speaks to what kind of golf course it is. Mike Stance wanted that.

Right. Strains? Strance. Like, Strance. Like, he wanted, he didn't want to appeal to everybody. Right. Because then it's like a boring golf course. Like, if everyone that comes there loves it.

Like, it needs to appeal to certain people that like, like, like, like to shape shots and like to hit the, like, like, like, Rick's saying there's bowls that funnel the ball down, which now, now that we're combining them, but, like, I thought tobacco road, now that I'm thinking about it, had so much more. more of the backstops where it was like I don't know if it was because of the pin placements but like when we played Pioneers today it was like upside down fucking bowls where it was just you go up and you go down and at Tobacco Road there was a ton of backstops where you could

hit it in the back you're like oh come on baby let's go and that's fucking awesome which makes it incredibly fair and it reminds me if anyone out there's played mammoth dunes it's very similar to that where like you can hit shots into greens that are that are 20 or 30 feet past the hole and we'll end up five feet below the hole all day long.

At Piner's number eight today, that was not the case. If you were 20 feet past the hole, it would roll off another shelf and you're off the back of the green, you have an impossible chip, which is just very different golf, but it's not as visually intimidating. What was beautiful about Tobacco Road was like, yeah, dude, there's a gigantic dune between you and the hole, and you can't even see where the flag is. They have to have a 30-foot tall flag so you can even see where the green is. But actually, if you hit, like, even a mediocre wedge, like that dune is not.

in play at all and it'll land into a bowl and funnel towards the hole. Right. But again, like I said, like, if you hit shots that the typical amateur hits, like, 90% of golfers are like 10 handicap or higher, whatever the hell of the thing, which means, like, you hit horrible shots. Like, when I didn't get it going at times, or yesterday,

I, like, chunked a couple wedges and was like 30 yards short of the green, and was just in a horrific place. And it was like, no, if I would have just hit a normal wedge, which is like, you should be able to do that, I would be rewarded to have a good birdie look. Instead, I hit a really bad wedge, And now I'm making triple.

And, like, that's just what the golf course is, I think, playing at a second time. Like, one of the greatest things I can say about it is the minute that we finished on 18, I was like, can we please go back to the first team? Oh, I want to play back. So badly. So badly. Especially because I had a all-time split, a front and back. Yeah.

All-time split. You did have an all-time split. Like, it wasn't the craziest scoring, but, like, to know what I shot on the front and to know what I shot on the back is crazy. Like, it was basically two different human beings. Yep. I think it's very playable. I think it's super.

fun. I think far too often in golf, you go to like your handful of muni courses, public courses around your house or you belong to your private track, and it just becomes repetitive and boring, and you've seen kind of the same hole so many times. You will go out to the Bacca Road, and there's not one hole out there that you've ever seen before. Like every hole out there, you're going to walk on to it and be like, okay, what is going on here? Where's the green? What are we doing? And then you get up to the green, you look backwards. You'd be like, holy shit, look at what we just played. But like, I get it now. That's pretty doable. look at this green complex and and so my my takeaway is like if you come to this area of the country

and you're here to play some golf you absolutely 100% have to play tobacco road yep 100% no doubt I think that is no doubt that is a no-brainer now again we're going to save a lot of the rest our scores the game that we're doing uh we're going to save that got to talk about one of my favorites out there you know during a lot of this show I'm actually drinking this and it's called truly hard selzer they got a ton of different flavors that I very very very very much enjoy. I'd never even try to Hard Seltzer in my life before truly jumped on, became the title sponsor of the Barstow Classic this year,

which the whole nation's enthralled with. They love the Barstow Classic. People are drinking them, cheers in them, toasting them, left and right. They got, like I said, so many different options. They're low on calories. What's your favorite? Wildberry. Okay.

I think I mess around with the orange. I dabble with the orange. I was using the F word, but, you know, I tried to keep it PC. there. It's smart. Yeah, I mess around with the orange. I don't know why. Every time we pulled out a huge thing of a truilies, I just went, I gravitated to the orange.

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We like them on the golf course. We like them on the fire. Buy the fire, the Dornet Cottage. And we're talking about golf. We like them everywhere. We like them all fall. Go get yourself some truly hard seltzer. You're going to very, very much enjoy it.

Trust me. By the way, the game that we are doing for the week is called the Carolina Cup. It is a very simple calculation that we did where we took the course handicap. So, you know, you take your handicap index. You throw it into the gym app. It gives you a course handicap. You add all those up for all four courses that we're playing this week. That's your number that you start under par.

So Trent Daddy started 120 under par for the week. What was his handicap? 25 index. 25 index. Frankie's a 9.2 index. Yeah, fortunately, I'd been playing, like, decent golf, and, like, I was shooting in the mid-80s all summer. came in at 9.2 kind of came back to

I don't know a demon came inside me and it has hurt me during the during the cup because I needed more strokes the three jack demon has taken over your body yeah like there's no reason why

I should have been starting at where I started with with the way I'm playing but there was no way to know that I was going to play like that until I played like that no way to know no just impossible to know so Trent Day started 120 under par yep I started 45 under par 45 under par

And I started 31 under par. Correct. And we had four rounds to try and see who could have the lowest score at the end. Four rounds. You know, whatever you post, whatever your raw number is, you add that up. And we'll see who is the lowest number at the end. We're halfway through now. I really do think anyone could win.

There's a lot to break down. But just so people know, that's the game that is going on. We're halfway through. Again, I hate to keep fucking saying this. We probably need to, like, ban this. But we're not going to give it away because the video, series and all that is going to be so good and we're so excited for it. We're going to take our time with it and we're going to edit it.

We're going to do this highly produced travel series. It's going to be very cool. Yeah, it's going to be worth it for you to wait too because if you're going to want to sit around and you may not, there may be people that will be like, no, I listen to this in my car and I just want to get the answer right now. But like, there's going to be a time where you're going to want to sit down for 25 to 30 minutes and watch how awesome this golf course is because from T to Green through 18 holes, we're going to give you a comprehensive look.

And we're also going to mix in like how an average person plays the course. And that's never been done from that side. We were just saying like for years and years and years, golf's one of the oldest sports in the world. And every single person that plays it and the way that golf is perceived is that it's like this stuck up, like stingy, like I have to be the best. And I'm better than you type like atmosphere. Anyone that does golf videos like goes out there and it's either like a trick shot video where it's like I can't do that. Right. Like all golf videos are either like this crazy thing where it's like.

like, oh my God, I can't do that. I can't replicate that. That's insane. Or it's like, like, or, no, it's essentially just that. It's just like you watch a golf video. I just can't do that. Like, this doesn't relate to me. Like, we're going to, there's, there's times where. Oh, you're going to be like, oh, I can do that.

Like, there were points in these videos, like, that you're going to watch, and you're going to see crazy drone work that took us hours to, like, find out and, like, find out where the right spot was with the lighting and all this stuff. It's going to look amazing. And then there's, you're going to, like, it's going to cut to Trent getting, like, destroyed by these. thorns in the middle of like a brush. Yeah.

Like where... Because that's where he hits a golf ball. Like, when do people that, that show golf courses show that stuff? Never. They never show someone shooting over 100 or like three jacking or four jacking. They're just like, hey, this is how cool the golf course is and watch us tear it up. Cool, man. I can watch Tiger Woods do that every other weekend.

Yeah. Tobacco Road. Insanely unique experience. Cannot wait to go back to that first tea and run. it back and try it again. Martha was great. Chris, I think, was that his name, the pro that was in the pro shop who kept chatting us up? He was really, really nice.

Morgan, who was the superintendent. So everyone there, Cody, I think he was the... Cody is the one who came back to him. He originally reached out to us. He came back and had a couple beers with us at the Stewart Cabin. So, like, we just had so much fun of Tobacco Road. It is a must play if you're in the area. We had a little gallery.

Must play. We had a serious gallery. Oh, yeah. On 14, which is where we were staying on the cabin. It's this hole over the water. And all of a sudden, like, as we pull up, and I was actually hot at the moment, I was hot. I was on fire. And, like, I remember Riggs being like, oh, Frankie, you're on fire right now?

Like, look what's up here. And we step up to this par three over water with a false front. And there's just six cars, carts lined up with just, like, nine or ten guys, like, all, like, Putin and hollering. Booze in and be like, let's go. Like, four play. Frankie, don't put it in the water. water and then your heart starts pumping.

Like everything that you had done up into that moment, if you were playing well or playing bad, it doesn't matter. You're in front of a bunch of people, your brain just shuts off. Imagine out there, folks, when you pull up to a tea and there's like a weight on the tea and there's like two carts on the tea. Oh, it's the worst feeling. You don't know. They don't know you.

They couldn't care less what you shoot. They're not going to tell anybody about it. They don't care how nervous you are in that tea. And then here we step up on this whole 14 of tobacco road with our cabin in the background, water everywhere, bunkers everywhere. Mike Strance just like tricking us everywhere. And there's like 10 or 15 guys who were all yelling like, breaking butter knives like Briggs you show him how it's done.

And then we're just like, dude, we suck at golf. We're terrible. What are you talking about? So it was an experience. You got to play Tobacco Road. We finished up yesterday. We took about a 30 minute drive from Tobacco Road to Pinehurst. We were right into the Carolina Hotel, which I got to tell you.

Are you okay? What's going on? leg. I didn't I tried to smack my leg, dude, and make a point, but we're sitting around this fire right now at Pioneers. And I had my legs up and I smacked my nut. Dude, I swear to God I have a

stomach cake right now. And I can't I can't pay attention. I hit my nut. About a minute and a half ago, you just went. Dude, I did. You're a borderline, like, not functional human beings. Dude, I was sitting here and I was trying to make a point like, and I just

smacked like, I don't know what happened. You're one of those people like, it's amazing. that you're an adult. It's crazy, man. You know? And you're a 26-year-old adult who, like, you like make money and pay bills and stuff.

No, it's crazy. How is that a thing? I don't know, but all I know is that I smack my nuts so hard, man. And I was sitting here trying to listen to you talking about, like, tobacco road. I'm like, shut the fuck out. Like, shut the, stop the bag on.

When you really got a shit. Dude, people are talking to you about something? You're like, dude, all I'm trying to do is not shit that thing. Yeah. Dude, you know when that happens and you get a stomachache? Oh, it, yeah, it crawls up.

I thought I was going to throw up. But I'm fine now. You okay? Yeah, I'm fine now. Did you do you do out there? It was really bad. I had to stand up. Yeah, it was bad.

So 30-minute drive from Tobacco Road to Pinehurst. We roll right in to the Carolina Hotel, which we didn't really, we didn't know. You know, we didn't know much about. One of my big things that I talk about a lot is, like, I want to be surprised when I arrive somewhere. I want to be surprised when I see a golf course. I don't want to go through and know every single hole before I tee off. I don't want to know, like, every little detail about the hotel before I get there. I want to walk into a room or into a ball.

or into a bar, into a restaurant, be like, holy shit. Like, look how cool this is. Not be like, oh, this is the place that I knew was here. And, man, we pulled into the Carolina Hotel. And it felt like we were in, yeah, it felt like almost like when they walk in the movie Titanic. Like when they walk on to the Titanic the first time, they walk into like that, the, like, dining room. Yep. And the way that they shoot that where you're just mesmerized by like how almost like, it's not gaudy, but it's so like.

elegant and just flawless and you're just standing there like wow am I in a place where people took meticulous meticulous care to like make it feel like I'm in such a special place and you walked into the Carolina hotel and checked in everybody's super nice they got their little North Carolina

like accent at one point we pulled up to the we pulled up to the front and in the front has Pinehurst that's it's cut into the hedges yes it is just like in Disney World I said it felt like it Piners feels like golfing Disney World. It really does. Everything about that is...

Yeah, but I feel like it's got the huge castle. Traditional and like... It is but no, oh yes. That's like a little goofy. This is like... No, no, no, not in the goofy way. No. I'm talking about like the, um, the way it's all presented, like,

how like every worker is like... Like, they say like they bring in like the Disney company to make... Like, I know like the Islanders brought in like the Disney company to make sure all the workers like could present you when you walk in. Yes. Like every, like, and also like everything's perfect. Like it's all. like Pinehurst was written in the hedges when you walked in.

The big white building was perfectly lit when you walked in. Everything was already decorated for Christmas. All the, like, that's what it felt like. Every time we walk outside a shuttle appears. We pulled our, it keeps happening. We pulled our car up to the Carolina Hotel, and I just left it on and, like, handed my key to the guy, the valet guy who's out there. I was like, hey, we're just going to run in and check in real quick. Is it cool if I just leave my car on and, like, right here?

And he goes, you're home. You do whatever you want. It was your home. He said, you're home. That's what he said. And I was like, I am home. I think that stuff is, I don't know if I've had, like, weird experiences at Disney, but I've gotten the magic bug when I go there.

You see the Magic Kingdom, and you're like, holy shit, this place. It doesn't, like, I don't think of Disney as goofy. I know you walk around, you see Mickey Mouse and fucking goofy and all that stuff, but, like, I think of it as like, oh, my God, everything is seamless. Yeah. Like, the track, like, the monorail drops you off, and then all of a sudden you're inside the Magic Kingdom, and then you're on a ride.

And, like, everything at Pioneers, like you were saying, You get dropped off. You walk in. There's a table waiting for you for breakfast. You get out. Your bags are already on the shuttle. You get to the golf course. Everything's perfect.

It's all like, it's got like the red drawing everywhere. It's a red coloring. The gold-plated on the top of the Carolina Hotel. Everything's crazy. Crazy. You know what Happy Gilmore when he's like, you're in my world now, Grandma? That's what that guy said. It's that exact.

Like, I feel like that except reverse his approach to where he's like, this is going to be a living hell. It's like you're in our world now. We are going to make everything so perfect and flawless and seamless for you. We are just here to like make sure that your four days here at Piedhurst are as perfect as they can possibly be. We walk into the Carolina Hotel. My buddy Tom Pashley, who is the president of Pines who I met through Matt Janella when I was at the Uncle Tony Invitational Abandon Dunes back in July, which I would have never like ever thought I would know this guy.

Tom Pashley is the president of Pineshurst. He's done incredible work to add the cradle and redo. doing Pioneers number four, which are going to play on Thursday, Gilhant's course, the cradle Gilhance. Like, he's done incredible things to kind of like keep Pinehurst as this traditional, like home of American golf that it's been for since 1895 while also bringing it into like the new age and competing with all these cool, like younger places around the country, around North America, around the world that are being up.

Tom Pasha, that greets us. He's telling us all about the Ryder Cup that was here in what, 51, 52. Yep. He knows his history. It's like his, it's like his own history. Oh, he tells it in such a friend's way. Yes. He tells it in such just like a, with a smile on his face.

He's telling us a little bit about the resort. He's like, I don't want to take up too much of your time, but like, please going up to the, what is it, the Rider Cup room or the Rider Cup cafe or the Rider Cup lounge maybe? Lounge, whatever it is where we ended up getting dinner last night. But it was just such a like, you're here. How can we possibly make while you're here even better type feeling from every. one of Pioneers. So that was last night. They take us to where we're staying, which, again, I kind of described the very beginning,

but we are at the Dornet Cottage. Dornet Cottage is where Donald Ross lived for over 20 years. Donald Ross built over 400 courses in the United States of America. He built multiple courses here. He built Pioneers No. 2, which is the U.S. Open Course, one of the most famous courses in America. He's one of the most famous course architects in the history of the world and the history of the game. Donald Ross, man. We're staying at his house. He lived here. It is like a two-story

mansion with four different bedrooms. It has Donald Ross's office inside of it. It's a museum. It's a museum. We're living in a museum. We're staying in a five-star museum is the best way we described it. Like, they've renovated it a little bit, but what they kept telling us last night is like, dude, this structure is exactly as it was built. Like, yes, it's been brought into the modern aid. The kitchen, they're like, the kitchen's changed. the most but there's all kinds there's like dozens of photos and pictures in his office they have written like they have the um like the bird's eye sketch and blueprints uh of pinehurst number four because gill hans when he was here redoing piner's number four he stayed in the thorntic cottage for months

and they have his sketches out on donnell ross's desk that's just like that's like maybe 40 feet away from us right now as we're talking about that in that room right it's crazy man there's so much history. I walked around. First thing I did when I walked in was I took a video from beginning to end, downstairs, upstairs, in every room, in every bathroom, in Trent's four bathrooms in his room. And I sent it to my mom. I sent it to my dad. I was like, mom, like, because my mom loves, like, old school stuff.

Like, she comes down to Carolina. She loves to go to, you know, all these, like, old school places. She loves, like, like, she just loves that whole, like, the way that kitchen looks. I mean, the dining room looks with, like, the old school plates and all that stuff. Like, we're staying in a museum that, like, people would legitimately die to see. And, like, we're just here. And I don't even know if anyone can stay in here. One guy sent me an email and he goes, hey, man, I saw you guys going to Pinehurst.

If you get time, you have to, like, try to stop by and check out the Dornet Cottage. It's where Donna Ross used to live. I responded. I go, no, we're just staying here. Like, we're just sleeping here for four nights. That place you wanted us to try and sneak into for five minutes, we're staying there. If you get a chance, go to Pider's website, check out the Dornet Cottage. We're just staying at Donald Ross's house.

It is magnificent. It's just off the third green. We're sitting by this fire that's out back. For anyone that's listening that doesn't know who Donald Ross is, explain to them, like what the significance of this. You know, because there may be people that are casual, like, golf and fans that may not know the architecture. I wonder how many, I'm trying to figure out how many Donald Ross courses are in the top 100 on Golf Digest. I bet he might have like five, ten courses, like inside the top 100 on Golf Digest, top 100. But he, like, he is literally designed, he designed over 400 courses in the United States of America,

up in the Boston area alone, like Essex County Club, a Donald Ross, the Pinerce number two, Donald Ross. Piner's number four is an original Donald Ross that was renovated by Gil Hans. So he's got his, I think a couple other courses here as well were Donald Rosses. So, like, he's got his fingerprints all over Pinehurst. He did live at one point, too, on the Essex County Club up on North Shore Mass, which is one of my favorite courses I've ever played. So, like, Donald Ross, also Skokie Country Club, which is one of my favorite courses in Chicago that I play the Skokie Challenge at every year, which I've bored all of you to death by telling you all about that. Beverly, which is in that area. Like, the Donald Ross courses go on and on Seminole as a Donald Ross course.

It's considered maybe one of his. is like, and we've never been there. So, like, it's hard for me to comment on it. But I think, like, Pioneers No. 2 and Seminole are kind of up there. It's, like, Donald Ross's most cherished and revered designs. But, like, he is as iconic, like, that golden age of architecture. Donald Ross is synonymous with all of that. That man, like, brought golf.

He's a Scottish guy. He brought golf from Scotland. He brought all his design principles. He was a huge fan of St. Andrews. He brought those design principles to the United States of America and made, like, he grew golf here in such a phenomenal way that is, like, stood the test of time. And we're just staying at his fucking house. That is like a bunch of idiots staying at this house. I don't know how else I can explain that.

Can you imagine drawing up a golf course of Pioneers number two? Nope. No. Like in that room that we're, I'm looking at right now. Yeah, I can kind of see through in there. See through. No, I can't even imagine that. It's not the biggest room either.

He just sat in there. The desk is in there, and he just went to work. It's a little eerie, right? Like, thinking about, like... It's like, like, the ghost of Donald Ross is going to tap me and be like, hey, you know, don't duck hook on the wood. This is a privilege to be here, right?

Like, they're... I think you have to be invited to stay at Donald Ross's place. Yeah, they don't just give that... Nine Donald Ross golf courses in the top 100. Nine dollars. So, nine percent. It's probably like a... It's probably an argument to be.

say that he's the best golf architect of all time. Yeah, and especially because of, like, how much he did, right? Like, Alastair McKenzie, you know, like Cyprus and Paso Teampo. We played top Paso Tiapo, Augusta National, but like... Not a big deal. Which is sick. But he didn't have the numbers, right? Like, what he did do was amazing.

And, like, Seth Rainey and C.B. McDonald and them, like, they did more, but, like, the number. McDonald-Ross designed so many courses. So you could argue that he's so much. more impactful than the others because like 400 plus courses is crazy like there's almost like there's not a city that you can go to and not be able to like experience a Donald Ross course and that's like that is nuts that is nuts and nine of them have been nine of them have been perceived by the world as a top 100 that means everyone that plays the game of golf thinks that nine of his courses are the best of the best.

Nine of them. Nine of them. That's a lot. And it sounds little when you think about like he's made 400, but to get nine in the top 100 is crazy looney town. So the number four course, I'm just kind of looking up things in real time. Pioneer's number four was a 1919 original Donald Ross design,

six years before he built this house that we're staying in right now, sitting by the fire, telling you about this. Original 18-0. It was not redesigned or restored. stored until 1973. When Robert Trent Jones came in, in 1982, Reese Jones, 1999, Tom Fasio. It has been a partner to the U.S. Amateur stroke play in 2008, and the U.S. Amateur in 2019, which was just about two months ago, that the Pioneer's number four,

and that is not even the most famous Donald Ross course here at Pinehurst. The most famous one is, of course, number two. So, like, Donald Ross, man, is as legendary as it gets. Legendary. As legendary as it gets. So, Piders, we're here. We had the great experience. We had an A-plus breakfast this morning.

I don't know how much we want to get into that, but they kept raving last night about the breakfast. You got to check out the breakfast. The breakfast spread and the options, they got, like, the omelets, they got the waffles. They got chocolate chip pancakes. They got the buffet. They had a guy tickling the ivories. Tickling the ivories while we're eating breakfast. Playing the piano right behind the waffle station.

Soothing. Very soothing. The fact that you just said. tickling the ivory is behind the waffle station. What world are we living in? The Carolina Hotel. A Carolina Hotel just sounds like. After we took a shuttle from the Dornet Cottage, which is where Donald Ross lived.

Like, where are we in? Like Snow White? Like, Dornick Cottage to the Carolina Hotel and everything about this is crazy, man. Like, what are we doing? I don't want this to end. I'm going to be like, the fact that people are listening to this now means that it's ended for me and I'm a sad person. And if you're listening to this and you're listening to how incredible it is, you don't have to come here and stay at the Dornick Cottage because you know what? You're not allowed.

Number two, you should come here and stay wherever the hell you need to. Sleep in a tent. Stay at the Carolina Hotel. Do what you need to do. But you have to come experience this because this golf resort is something like I've never seen it. We've only played one course. Ten golf courses. Stay at the Carolina Hotel. Stay in a villa, stay in a cottage, get an Airbnb. It's a must. Do whatever you got to do. So we played today our first Pine Horse, Pinehurst experience. Pine Horse. That's not right. It's Pinehurst. It's Pinehurst. Pinehurst experience. Pioneer's number eight.

I didn't really know anything about it. I knew about number two. I knew about number four, and I knew about the cradle. Those were the three that I knew about. I don't even know how many courses, Pinehurst has. Turns out they have ten.

Is there a Pioneer's number three? There's a Pioneer number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. You're shaking, man. But what did you think? I don't know, man. I don't know. You think they just skipped it. All right.

All right. So maybe, maybe they made ten courses, right? And number one's called the cottage. And number two, they just called. called number two. And as it went on, why they just called him? I don't know because it's a sick name, man. Number two is a sick name.

If you're pooping. Number two is a better name than number three. Number two. Pinehurst number two just sounds a thousand times better than Pinehurst number three. I think Medina number three is the championship course, but I do think two sounds better. No, I think it's too.

And even the way it looks, N-O-dot.2. I think that's revisionist history. Because if they, if the number three was famous and that was the U.S. number six was famous. Yeah. All right.

Well, yeah. I thought maybe there was number one to do three for twice. They have nine, 18 whole courses, and then at the cradle, 10 courses total. So is a Pynhurst number nine? There's a Piner's number nine. All right. You nailed it. Piner's number eight we played today.

It is a Tom Fasio design. It is called the Centennial course because it was built 100 years after Pyner's was opened. 1895, I believe, is when Pynhurst, when you look at their logo, that's when it says it was founded, it was open, whatever. And I think, you know, they started the designs and all that in the mid-Northy. 1990s and I think they actually opened the Tom Fazio number eight course in 1996. They call it the centennial course. I didn't know what to expect. It is built on like a wildlife preserves.

They say there's basically no houses on it. There's no residence on it, which is different because Pinehurst is such a resort in a community that you will see like Dornet cottages and other things kind of around the property. And there we really didn't see much at all. I will say there was, I saw one house. There was a couple houses. in spots that only I hit them to. Yeah.

And number two, when we play Pirates number two tomorrow, there's houses on Pioneer Number 2? I think they're like back in a way, but yeah. Okay. The way I hit off the T today at Pioneer Number 8, you know, Donald Ross, they may need to do like,

they may need to say like Donald Ross's house, it's the same since 1925, no restorations until Frankie Braley came around. Pepper. And on the third hole, he put one right through, you know, his old, wife's fucking window because I have been spraying the ball but go ahead no I'm not going in the piner's number eight was going to be a throwaway around I thought it would be hey I've heard about two I've

heard about number four I'm really pumped to play the cradle I don't really know anything about the other courses like how good could they be I thought piner's number eight today was really really cool I thought like the visuals of what I kind of expected pinehurst golf to be kind of like hit you right out of the gate, that first hole when you come over that precipice and that green, there's like a downhill approach to that green. The green because of like the dormant grass, where they say it's like champion Bermuda.

Yep. That this time of year it changes. So the greens have like this almost iron look to them. Yes. Of how slick they looked and they're darker in contrast to the grass around them in the fairway. They like stuck out like big time as like they're almost more intimidating because of that.

So intimidating. And like in that, that among like, the natural kind of like sandy part of pinehurst and the needles and the tall trees to me it just stuck out so aesthetically as like dude we are at pinehurst like it felt so pinehursty to me to experience that um i thought the greens and and i did a little bit of reading and like fazio um his goal with building the course uh a hundred years later was like to make it a little bit of a of an an ode to donald ross so like we got that like the greens

on 17 we'll talk about like the pin on 17 which is the short part 5 but you will learn that it's short part 5 for a reason because the green is insane that like if you hit the ball a foot past the pin on 17 like you rolled off the green into a horrible it was an illegal pin placement and I know people say like illegal when it comes to like the rules and regulations of the USDA and all this stuff but when I say illegal I think that someone who put the pin there should be arrested like taking away from their family and put into a holding cell and And, you know, given their rights and all that stuff. But the family has to only see them on the weekends, the whole thing. They have to talk to him on the phone through glass. Do the phone. I want the kids to go up to the glass and beg, Papa. And, like, he, like, reaches. And they're touching, they're touching fingertips through the glass.

And he's like, I don't know what happens. Like, you put the pin on the wrongs. It was criminal. You put the pin on 17 in the wrong spot, Papa. You know, I want them to be kind of. Are you going to miss Christmas, Papa? I think I am. I'm missing the next eight Christmases.

I'm missing the eight Christmases because I put the damn pin. Dude, they put it on a fucking volcano tip. Like, no matter where you put the ball, you have to be lucky for it to stop. I'll just say this. I had a put for Bertie, and I was so scared of going over the backside of the three. You hit it three feet. That I made a seven. I made a seven.

And it wasn't because I went over and putted it back up and went back down again. It was that I was so scared of that fall off, that drop off that I just kept nudging it up there. It's upside down bowls. That's all it is, man. And the pins right on the top. And you'd be lucky. to keep it going up or so it doesn't roll back down your feet and you'll be lucky to keep it next to the pin so it doesn't roll off the back it's the whole golf course is like that it's crazy

the greens were um were sort of from what we're being told those were like a warm up to what we're going to get at piner's number two which is outrageous tomorrow um and and they were man like their spots where it was like two to five if i hit this putt too hard i'm going to four put because i'm to be way off the green. I'm going to have to hit it up hill. I'm going to hit it way past the hole. I'm going to have like the same put I have right now. So that was treacherous.

I thought design-wise, I thought it was very inviting. Like off the tee, it felt like you could like rip a lot of drives out there. Yeah. Have it like kind of land on like a downslope and roll like on this cool fairway that's set between like the tall Carolina pines. Like I thought that whole vibe was very cool. It had the same type of like pine needles and clearing in between the trees. that tobacco road had so you could kind of see through the vistas to like other holes. There was a spot on like fourth, fifth, sixth hole-ish area where there was this cool pond

that kind of separated us and then like a few houses on the other side that like two or three of the green side sat on. That was very different than like the first three or four holes. And then on the back nine there was like that four-hole series where you're kind of going over like the wildlife marsh area that again was felt very different than some of like. like the kind of traditional, you're just in between the Carolina Pines. So, like, I thought it hit you with a couple different looks. And I thought the greens were sneaky, devilish.

I thought they were absolutely devilish. Yeah, I don't even know if I would say sneaky. They just looked devilish and they were devilish. I guess I just didn't expect it. Well, the color of the greens, I thought, and I tweeted this out while we were doing it because it was just so nasty. I said every green I step on at Pinehurst number eight feels like a new nightmare. It just felt like a new story. And like you said, it's inviting from tea to green.

Everything's inviting. It feels like I can rip this drive out there. You feel like it. Hit a wedge into this green and have a good look for birds. But you just like you just can't, right? Like it's something about it. Like the way it was designed, you just can't. And Riggs did,

Riggs obviously won't give it away because we're going to do a whole North Carolina thing. And we can't keep saying that. But Riggs played well and he was putting well. And it was like, it was crazy to watch someone understand the speed of the greens and then watch me and Trent try and do it. I would love to hear your take. on that golf course if you played it, if you posted like a good score. Yeah.

You know? Because that does, people say all the time, like, oh, the way you play should never, like, impact your thoughts of the course, but it does. Oh, it does so much. You go out to the course and you play really well. You're like, that was so much fun. Aaron Hill is my favorite course in the world. Right.

Like, and. 100%. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, anybody who says that makes you, like, a shitty person that, like, report on golf experiences is a moron. Like, the way that you play inevitably, inevitably, Who ever says Zach can come to my door How do you feel about a kicky in the shin?

Yeah, I'm mad at those people. Dude, when I... When I duck hook... When I... Oh, it's the worst. When I duck hook a ball off the T and then I lose my second shot and then I chunk one up on the green,

I make an eight. You think I remember anything about that hole? I'm like, get me the fuck off this hole right now. You think I'm like, oh, look at the design and look at the greens and the topography. Fuck my ass, man. Are you kidding me? I just made an eight and I want to leave.

I want to go home. I want to cry. A human being. He's got blood coming out of his eyes. I got blood coming out of my eyes. I got that mound over there. He's like, fuck you. Check out of this fucking mound of blood.

That was designed after Donald Ross's kneecap. Like, I don't give a shit, man. I made a 10. Like, you're kidding me? Have you ever seen the family guy where Peter Griffin hits his knee? And she goes,

yeah. It's all two minutes. It's just like, it's half the whole show. Oh, it's so good. So good. It's so good. It's so good.

It's longer and longer. It gets the funnier. Right. But yeah. Like now it's not funny. Now it is funny. I played the best, so I probably have the most favorable viewpoint of that course. And that's just kind of the nature of how it's going to be.

But I was surprised. I thought it was more unique than I expected. I kind of went in thinking that each hole would blend together. And a few of them maybe did. But again, I thought it kind of jumped through a couple different landscapes throughout the course, throughout the experience. And you kind of stepped on a lot of different teas. They're like, ooh, this looks on like anything I've seen yet today. There were some pretty severe dog legs, short holes, longer holes.

And I just thought it was really cool. It was really fun experience. And that was our introduction of Piner. So, again, you will obviously see the videos. They're going to be long. Each round is, each day of this trip is going to be its own series or its own episode. We're going to, we drone every hole that we've played so far. We got like kind of descriptions of the hole from people who never.

it, whether it's a caddy or one of the pros or whatever. So you're going to get to see everything we're talking about in real life, but we did want to throw this in the podcast form. Tomorrow morning, we're waking up. We're playing Pinehurst number two, U.S. Open course. People have been tweeting at as non-stop that we're all going to get our dicks pushed in by this place. And that's why I'll enjoy it a little bit more because I'm not going there to try and shoot

the course record. And I know we say that. Like, people will say that as a joke, but like when you show up to a golf course, you want to play as well as you can, you want to tear it up and you want to walk away. But like I'm walking into Pynast number two and I want to play really well, but even if I play bad and the greens like eat me up, I'm still going to enjoy it. Like I'm going to, I'll, going to go into Piner's number eight today, I was disappointed in the way I played it at all. And you can't experience the course, like the way it's meant to be experienced. Right. People say that with like, hey, like, don't worry about your playing. Just enjoy the course.

You're like, well, dude, like, I hit it so far right there and then I hit one into a tree and then I chunked one and then I like played it out. And then all I was doing was trying to two put for like eight. and that's not the way the hole is designed to be played, and so I didn't play the hole. I feel like I didn't even play the golf hole. But because of the history and because we're staying in Donald Ross's house and because it's a once-in-a-lifetime-type golf course, I will, regardless of how I play,

I will take each hole from T-degree, and I will make sure that I soak it in, and then I will give you my fair assessment at the end, regardless of how I play. I can shoot 180 tomorrow, and I will still let you know how it would think. No, you'll be screaming fuck my ass and you're going mad again. True. You will be. So next up is Pinehurst number two,

and then Pinehurst number four, We're going to mix in a round or two with the cradle in between. So you're probably listening to what? People are listening, we know it's already happened. You're probably listening to this on Thursday? I don't know. Or Tuesday? We're like Tuesday next week or Thursday next week?

Okay, so next week. You'll be listening to this next week. But right now it's last week. Right now it's last week. Hold on. Right now it is last week. We haven't even played tomorrow yet. But in 10 seconds, you're going to hear that we played already tomorrow.

That's so fuck, man. Think about that. In 10 seconds, or however many seconds it is. They are now going to be transported into what we did tomorrow. And it's right now for us. We now sitting here around this fire event. That's crazy. We have already spoken.

That's weird, man. We've already spoken tomorrow. Piders number two is coming up next. That makes my brain want to explode. Enjoy it. You don't have to wait. You're just like in a second. We have to wait 24 hours.

We have to wait. We have to wait. We have to wait hours and hours and experience it for you to experience where you're going to experience in five seconds. Enjoy. Enjoy. You know what comes at the end of a weekend, boys? You know what day that is?

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You use code 4. You're going to get 15% off. Again, that's Sundayscarries.com. Code 4, get 15% off. Okay, we are now talking to you on Wednesday night of our trip after having in the past told you that this was going to happen, but that we hadn't experienced it yet. We have now experienced it. Yeah, we talked about how you were going to experience it, not before us, but you were going to hear 10 seconds from now. We are now in that space.

A minute a half ago was yesterday, which was Tuesday, a minute and a half ago. They time traveled. Yeah, you guys time travel. We had to live it. And we made it. I'm still living. Me too. You know, I woke up, brushed my teeth, ate some CBD, gummies.

I walked around the room. I like you made it sound like you just stopped yourself with CBD, man. Eat some CBD. I played Pinehurst number two. And all this stuff happened. I played the cradle. We did all this stuff. Everything happened in the last minute that you last heard me from yesterday.

You people time traveled 23 hours and 59 minutes. Yeah, crazy. Absolutely crazy. But yeah, we just played Pinehurst number two. Donald Ross, original Donald Ross, 1907 design. It is the staple, the flagship of Pinehurst Resort, hosted three U.S. Opens, a PGA championship, a Ryder Cup in 1951. The U.S. Open is returning here in 2024.

It was redone by Bill Corr and Ben Crenshaw, I think, 2010-2011, and was ready to go for the 2014 U.S. Open, which was won by Martin Kimer. hosted the first time ever back-to-back men's and women's U.S. opens. Michelle, we won that U.S. Open. So Martin Kimer wins it one week. And then the next Sunday, Michelle, we wins the U.S. Women's Open. So that was one of my first big golf blogs.

A little blast in the past there. Michelle, we went in that tournament. She twerked afterwards. Oh. And that video went viral and I blogged it. So a little barf still throwback as well. Good for you, Trent. Thank you.

I was on it. I think I blogged it real late at night. It was really, you know, really. The show we like, is that she in like semi-retirement right now? She got married and then she just like retired. She's got that wrist injury that keeps coming back. That keeps coming back. Keeps coming back.

She's always given updates on it. But she did win that major and I blogged it. She did just get married. So congratulations to them. I think that happened months ago. Fine. So a bunch of our chatter yesterday slash two and a half minutes ago was about coming into Pioneers number two, the Greens.

That's where everybody says, T, the Green. It's not that crazy. you know, it's not going to be necessarily that different than some other courses that you've seen hit the fairways. You should be fine. But around the greens, the turtobot greens, the eggshell greens, it's going to be crazy town. It's going to be severe runoffs and slopes and you got very small little plateaus to actually land to keep the golf ball on. We found out incredibly, incredibly, incredibly quickly that that was the case. That first part I disagree with you a little bit on, I don't know, just in terms of what it looks like.

it doesn't look like a course that I had really played on before in terms of the waste areas right off the fairways. Most of the courses I played are like the ones everybody plays where you got a fairway and then you got a bunch of rough. This one, it's just a fairway and then it's all waste area, which I didn't prefer. It made me feel like I had a smaller landing area when I've got my driver going, which is pretty consistent. It really is.

Early on, it wasn't today. It is very consistent. You're a consistent driver of the golf. Some people, I think, I have to, some people may think you were being sarcastic. there. You have an extremely consistent drive. I'm a monster. Would you say that he hits 70% of his fareways?

Yeah. And I would say your ball, your drive, ball flight, and total distance traveled is within like 10 square yards every time. Yeah. Like you hit like a 15 yard cut

that goes like whatever your distance is and it goes within 5 or 10 yards of that distance. 2.30. 250. Yeah. Yeah. And it's right there rolls a little bit to the right. This is the thing. It's very consistent. Yeah, I wasn't joking.

That's just what it is. You missed, I think, three fairways today. And the only reason you did that was two of them, I think you flailed out to the right. So you didn't really. And you may have missed more, but these are the ones I remember. Two of them you flow out to the right because you just kind of pushed it. And one of them you pulled because it was supposed to cut back. And every other one, I think you just perfectly hit it up and it just landed in the fairway.

But I think that's part of it, it is consistent. And part of that consistency is it is a nice little cut. but it does sometimes get away from me a little bit and turns into a bit of a slice. Yeah. And on a normal course that we would play, it can leak out into the rough. And I'm used to that. I know how to deal with that. Here, if you did that, it would leak out into these waste areas that I'm not used to.

And once you start hitting out of the waste area, you realize it's not the end of the world. You can get out of there and it's fine. I love the waste area. But initially, initially I was scared by that. It's a very good point, Trent. You're right. It's not, it is unlike any other course that you've ever played in that regard. I guess all I meant was that, like, it's not particularly challenging.

I don't think T to green, whereas, like, Bethpage Black is impossible T to green. That's where, like, the caution sign comes from, the warning sign. But Betpage Black is not that hard once you get on the greens. They're relatively flat. They're not that crazy. Whereas this was sort of the exact opposite, whereas, like, I feel like if you hit good drives, you'd have, like, short irons in, and you could kind of attack the golf course, but where you would get your dick kicked in was on and around the greens.

Now you are right that it is drastically different in that there's no rough. Or your vagina is kicked in. If you're a female listener, your vagina maybe kicked in by this course, the greens in particular. The waist areas and all that, incredibly unique, unlike any other golf course I've ever played. And it's really dependent on, in terms of like your experience, if you're someone who's just comfortable with those kind of like hard pan, slightly sandy lies. Like some people just pick it clean off. They're like Frankie, for example. Like Frankie's a guy who picks the ball clean most of the time anyways.

And so you started to get the groove and we're just hitting out of that stuff unless you end up behind one of those tiny little bushes, which can happen. But for the most part, you just end up in like these little sandy areas and it's not that big of a deal. Yes. So we played number eight a couple of minutes ago in the podcast. And then today we played number two. My drives got significantly better today. My tempo was better. I had a couple duffs.

Of course, the first tee or whatever, the whole thing. A couple tops. and that's been happening to me. I lift my head. But I found myself, like, missing the fairway, but, like, running off into this wasteland area. And my caddy Logan, shout out to my guy Logan, who me and him were just hamming and egg in it all day,

just like, we were pals out there. And he was just telling me, like, hey, man, like, yeah, we were not in the fairway, but like, like, like Rick said, you pick this ball clean and you're going to, this ball's going to fly out of here. And to the point where we were, now, we said this yesterday or a couple minutes ago, we're not going to give away too much

because these videos are going to be out. outrageous they're going to blow your dick and vaginas off. Tees those motherfuckers. It's a tease. It's a tease like you've never seen before. I'm going to diddle all you. Uh, of age. Only if you're of age, I'm going to dittle you. If you're of age, because I feel like the word dittle is, oh man, that

is synonymous with pedophilia. But you know what? Why can't you dittle an old, why can't you dittle an old person? You can dittle an of age. It's a juvenile word. Why? Because that's just a side. They've taken that word away from They have. You know? The pedophiles have taken that word away from us. Oh man.

Fuck them. You know? For most reasons. Dittles should be like a friendly pot. Yeah, it's like a good time. Add that little. Why we don't like that. Get over here and dittle me right now. You know, it's a good word. Add that to the list. What a list they got going. But dude, awful people. There's some serious

horrible. So me and Logan were dittling each other and we just like, dude, there was this one hole where I had fuck man, I think I had 178 yards. and I was like, man, like, I'm in a wasteland here. Like, I have bunker underneath.

And he looks at me, he's like, take this six iron. I'm like, six iron. Like, I hit a seven iron in 175, like 172. Why would I take a six iron? He's like, you got wind up there. I know you can't feel it. Trust this. He's like, you hit the ball pure.

And I made contact on this ball in this waist area. And when I made contact, all I hear Logan go, he just goes, oh, God. I'm like, is it too far? He goes, no, it's perfect. as this ball is just bein lining right to the pin and it was just like like that's the best shot i've ever seen you dude the noise it made you had a lip in front of you too had a lip in front of me you're in a bad spot in the waist dog shit area and it was a par four long par four hit a bad job and me and logan just looked at each and i'm like holy fuck man like this wasteland area you almost made your burty putt

it's oh yeah almost made the birdie putt tapped in par really good hole and it was just like one of those moments where i was like you know what like this wasteland area is cool like i like i'm not in thick rough I like that I'm in like a crazy hard-pan sand area where there's a lip in front of me, but like it's really not in play. And like I can smack the shit out of this ball because you're never in trouble at that point, you know? There's tons of Bethpage Black where you hit it an inch off the fucking fairway and you're chipping out into the fairway because you have no other shot. Or else you're going to be at like City MD because you're freaking wrist broke.

Yeah. You know? No, it makes, yeah, it's, I enjoyed the shit out of that. And I'm opposite to you on the aesthetic of it. When I'm on a T-box, I love seeing a pure green. fairway when there's just white wasteland to the left and right. I think it pops. I would have disliked it more if I didn't realize how it wasn't as difficult to get out of as you thought it's going to be.

Once you hit out of there a couple times, you're fine. You get used to it like you're saying. Obviously, you did great in it. But it's like, first time in there, I was like, I'm going to make, I'm going to go double digits here because I don't know how to get out of here. And then you hit it out of there. I pick it clean most of the time too. So I, though I thrived in those areas. But initially I was scared.

Yeah, it is very dependent on, on, on, you. your style and your comfort level with those types of lies. Like some people are just, they're so mind-fucked on those wispy, sandy lies that it will ruin their whole day. And then there's other people who are like, dude, this is way better than being in the rough.

I don't even care if I miss the fairway. I can pretty much hit this anywhere on the golf course and I'm fine and it like frees you up and whatnot. And like you learn too that for the most part, whether you're in the sand area or whether you're in the fairway, Like a lot of your approach out is just going to end up in the little runoffs off the green anyway. So it's going to pull to the front of the green anyway and you got to deal with that. So the greens.

I have to deal with the same shit no matter what. The greens, they're these eggshell greens. They're these turtle back greens. Front have a slope. Left have a slope. Right have a slope. Upside down soup bowl. Upside down soup bowl every single one.

All right. Like number. So Tobacco Road had crazy greens or crazy runoffs. But it had certain like bends in the greens and certain walls. balls that you can... And bowls. They're good shelves. Yeah, shelves that you can hit it at and roll it back.

You can't do anything like that at Pioneers No. 2. You can't even think about it. Which makes me say this, that when you come play to Pineers number 2, which I think every single person that's listening to this should at some point, go on a buddy's trip and come play Pioneers because I think it's the most unique, 10 courses in the same area. We've talked about this a couple of minutes ago, even though it was a couple days ago for us. You have to come do it.

But I think if you play Piner's number two, I think you got to bring caddies. Do you guys agree? I don't think you can play that course without a caddy. You got to have a caddy there. I think you'll shoot a 200 if you don't have a caddy. There's times where the caddies will look at you and be like, you have to hit it up here and you have to give it a pace that makes you nervous. You're like, man, for me, I was talking to Logan, I'm like, man,

you're telling me to hit this ball this hard, and I'm looking at the pin, and there is a drop-off to the end of the earth behind the pin. He's like, you can't worry about that right now, Frankie, because if you don't give it this much pace and get it to this part, that ball's not just going to roll back to you. It's going to go back into the fairway, now you're going to have a wedge in your hand. Like, it's going to be crazy.

And you don't want to have a wedge. I had a great caddy today, and I still putted off the green twice. And, like, I cannot. I de-greened. I de-greensed myself. Yeah, we came up with a new term for Trent Daddy. We're like, I think he made D-Green here. Where he has a putt that it appears is a likely candidate to be putted off the green.

Trent was putting for a par one point. I'm not going to give it away. He didn't make a par. No, no, I did not. That's a little tease for the video. I thought you were going to give it away there. No, he just didn't make a par. He made a number that was surprised.

He made an astonishing number. So with that in mind, think about how many I would have done it on without a caddy. Think about how many I would have done. Dude, it's just seven, eight, nine. It's also just a huge part of the experience. Like, my catty Thomas is telling me about when he caddyed for like Tiger Woods and telling these different stories.

And one time I caddyed for this amateur here and he started giving me lip and he said he could hit this chip. And then after he hit three chili dips and one that he played over the green, he hit the putter the rest of the day. And they talk about the history and this guy. this is where Donald Ross lived, which is the house that we're staying. And now, like, they just know all of these things. It's part of the experience.

It's like a museum tour guide who also knows how to help you read putts and can tell you where to hit the ball and how to hit the ball. It carries your bag and, like, has your putter ready for you the minute you get it on the green. Yeah, it adds to it a ton. It's, we didn't have, we took a four caddy at number eight. We have cards buzz around. I think that's totally fine. I don't even know that you necessarily need a four caddy there.

Piders number two, I think you walk, and I think you take caddies. Yeah, I think you have to. because it's card only on the cart path only anyway go and take a caddy you're going to have such a better experience you're never going to know I don't care how like good you think you are at golf you're not I go ahead number two when you see these greens it's not just us like bitching and it's not just us complaining about the greens they are actually so crazy that you won't have fun without a caddy people are going to love watching our video of us try to navigate balls go just sideways you put straight and the ball turns to the right and goes off the green if you don't get it a high high enough on certain ones. It just peels. It just peels for the right and you're like, why.

I don't need, like, I love the course today. I love Piner's Number 2. One of my favorites that I've played, I really enjoyed everything about it, the whole experience. I just don't, I can't get behind how crazy where, give me a false front and that's it. Like, don't do the whole thing. There's a false back. There's a false left.

A false right. That's clown golf to me. Like that is like, oh, like, get lucky. Like at one point, like, my caddy said just like hope and pray that this thing. stays up there, man. Like, that's all you can do. Like, that's not, there's no skill involved in that. There's no skill involved in.

Yeah, but there is, like, but like that might just be user error. That might not be the call course. But there are certain parts where it's like, you have like a two foot, three foot window for this ball to stop. And if you don't get it hard enough to get it up on that shelf, it will just come back. Here's, what I would argue is like, here's the beauty of it is like, if they have a back pin, right?

And that back pin is like, there's a shelf right behind it. If you want to be a. aggressive and go after that back pin, good for you, go for it. And if you hit a good shot, like, you'll be tight and you'll have a good chance to make that put, whether it's for par, whether it's for birdie or whatever. But like if you go a little bit long, you're making double or triple. Your other option is like you could pitch it into the middle of the green 20 feet short, have an uphill look at it that you're probably not going to make and two putt and take your

medicine. And then the opposite of that is like if you have a front pin and you want to try to take on that front pin and get it close, you may roll off that front edge and have. another really tricky spot and make bogey or double. But if you want to go past the pin, which is the smart shot, you're going to have a treacherous like downhill put that you have to just lag and you can't go for. So what it does is it like forces you into like a defensive play,

which I think strategically, again, like if you are very skillful and aggressive, you can go after those pins. But if you're a little bit off and this is why it's considered such a like a pure championship test, is that like if you are a little bit off, like we were, some chips where we went after some back pins and it rolls off the back and you make double or triple it's like well no we're not that good so that's why we got punished this is a u.s. open course and it like punished the shit out of us but i didn't think it was i didn't think it was unfair i just thought it was it was very punishing for shots that were not that bad right like

number eight john daily man 11 where he just kept putting up and down putting up and down putting up and it wouldn't come and i remember that uh that hole i had a huge up and down on that hole where it was like our cologan was like man like you were in a spot that like one more foot this ball was rolling off the green right to where john did they made in 11 and like your ball just stopped right here and now we have like a five foot straight putt for par like it's it does feel rewarding when you find when you do do it like it feels lucky at some points and it feels like holy shit like i remember laughing on the eighth hole and i was like holy shit how that's that bowl stay because you see where it was going.

And you know, like, historically, even the best golfers in the world have had just horrible, horrible, horrible times doing it. Yeah, bad things have happened to people. There's something I just wanted to say. I just forgot. You just forgot it? Frankie was just talking about something that triggered me to say something that... John Daly?

It was really important. He was talking about John Daly? You drank a John Daly at the Duce. I had a John Daly at the Duce. It was a place called the Duce after you eat... So you play number two, and then you... drink at the deuce and then you take a shit.

Yeah. You love saying that. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of the two things, you know? Right. Like they called the restaurant at the dues. One kind of deodorant. That's where we're using for the rest of our lives.

For the rest of our entire lives. Ors and Alps. Used it this morning. I ran out of the body wash and it's ruined my life. I refuse to wash my body without it. You just been jumping in, getting wet and jumping out? Dude, I ran out of it this morning. So like I used a little bit that was left.

I actually opened up the can. This is how much I love oars and house. I opened up the top of the bottle and I sprayed a little water in there. Oh yeah. It's a kind of revitalize it. Turn it into so body wash. Yes. And I use that.

So I need to replenish my oars and outs. You know how you do that, Frank? How? You go to OAS skincare.com. You use code green, green like the color. You're going to get 15% off your order. That's OASKare.com. Code green.

Your first order, you're going to get 15% off the entire order. Now, we have talked about Orson Alps a few different times. And if you do not know, if you're not aware, Orson Alps deodorant is natural deodorant. It doesn't have aluminum. It's aluminum-free. Aluminum, what it does is that gets absorbed into your body. It makes your armpits of your shirts yellow.

Do you want that same stuff that makes the armpits of your shirt yellow being absorbed into your body? No. No. The answer is no. It's disgusting. It's bad for you. It's just wrong. Ors and Alps deodorant smells phenomenal.

It smells so good. So good. It works. They also just like their packaging and it just looks good. It just looks good. Like when I pull it out of my little docket, I just, I'm like, oh, man, this stuff works. It's packed. It's solid.

It looks like an adult deodorant. I feel like an adult when I'm wearing. You went from a child. But now I'm an Orson Alps guy because I'm an adult. I used to spray his body with all those bad chemicals. Yeah, like imagine. I can't do that anymore. Just that whole body full of bad chemicals.

Yeah, now I'm older, I'm more mature, I use Orson Alps. Even if, like, I will always use Orson, else, regardless of what I'm doing life. Regardless what I'm doing. If I'm back making pizza, I'm using Orson Alps. It's changing my life. I won't be back making pizza. No, but I just, I'm just saying. If anyone's following Frankie in a couple of years and he's just slinging pizzas back at Borrellas,

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That's true. OAS skincare.com. Code green. You're going to get 15% off. There was something about the course that I was going to say. It was so perfect. That's a shame. I was so ready to drop it.

I was like, man, they're going to be so happy I dropped this. And then I just forgot. That's a shame. It doesn't happen that often. I'm going to back in the day. I don't even know. Okay. On the back night, I lost track.

but we'll have to add them up. Yeah, that's in the video too. You were in good shape. Yeah, I feel good about the skins. I was very happy with the course today. Premier world class U.S.

Open golf course. Yeah, I'm excited for number four because number four, I see, I mean, I can't even speak right now because Riggs is thinking. He's wracking his brain.

Riggs is thinking so loud right now. Yeah. He's not making a noise, but it's loud. It's going off like a tornado siren. He just can't think of what he was going to say. He's just, the word thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Try and get something to hook it. Trigger that, trigger that thought. John Daly putt. Man, you were talking about John Daly putting like 11.

He made an 11. Kept coming back and back and back. Yeah, he said coming back and over, back and forth. John Daly. Man, I got nothing.

Wow. Damn. It's just, whatever I had of my brain is, it's just gone. Rare. That's a rare. It's a rare thing.

I don't even know. I'm not even. What planet am I on? We played the cradle. So the cradle. So the cradle. which is a last i think it's two years old the cradle it's like 789 yards total they call it um they call it i think the most fun 10 acres in golf whatever it is of is it 10 acres somewhere around

there it is a nine hole par three course that sits right out in front of the clubhouse at pinehurst and it is a delight i think uh trent daddy said it was the most fun maybe he's ever had yeah it certainly probably from a kid from iowa so let's just remember it's the most fun Don't discredit Maybe you can't have that a rock You You just be like you

Woo Man You're running around with the rock You guys see this rock? It's an airplane You can like roll it And then if you go to the water Are you?

It's an airplane If you throw it flat It'll skip on water It's an airplane Then you just Chucks it out of John Deer truck It's fucking Bigger pizza making fuck

You fuck It was so much fun though You know what's fun about it is that it's accessible for everybody. We, us three played, our two producers, Jake and Andrew, they played. And everyone just has a good time. I mean, the longest hole is 120 yards. A lot of them are 70, 55, 65.

It's just like a lot of fun and anybody can do it. I think you guys would agree that it was an incredibly fun time. And like I said, anybody can do it. It's quick. It's nine holes. It took us about an hour. There's like two holes that are 50 yards, 54 yards, 58 yards, where it's like you could literally put it if you want to. landing it though and that might sound ridiculous like 55 yards what are you even doing out there like half of us hit the green on that hole because the green there's like a huge knob before the painting you have to flight it perfectly if you don't it like could bounce and skip over and then you've got a classic piner's number two type putt or chip and then there's other ones that are like punch bowl where it's like you just throw it up there with a wedge from 75 yards and it will spin towards the hole and you have this kind of electric moment on every shot wherever it's like oh just you just throw it up there with a wedge from 75 yards and it will spin towards the hole and you have this kind of electric moment on every shot wherever it's like oh it's like oh it's

did it go in and the people that are up by the pine cone, which the pine cone is this like trailer that they roll in this like, what, wooden trailer? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That they roll in. That's the bar. It opens up and it's like the bar where you get drinks, you get a bartender right there, whatever you guys want.

And the pine cone sits up at like three different points after three, after eight, and then kind of on like another tea as well. And it's kind of the highest point on the cradle. So there's a bunch of people that are always getting drinks. that are like watching a couple of your different shots because they're at the higher point, chirping, everybody's laughing, having a bunch of drinks.

There's music playing. Yep. Chirpidimate. They have speakers like hidden into the... I didn't see the speakers. Into like the trees. I heard music, but I didn't see the speakers. I heard music. The waist took his shoes off. You can't even see.

He's barefoot out there. Barefoot blue-jured rigs. Maybe Jake was barefoot as well. I know somebody was barefoot. But it's just like number two of Piner's, it's like this was a U.S. open course. This is a serious golf course. Turtleback greens. You're going to get killed out there.

It's very, very difficult. And then you come off and you play the cradle and it's just, it's fun again. Number two had a great experience. But the cradle is just, it's pure fun. It's never not fun. It's always fun. It was so much fun. It was so, so much fun.

much fun. I was dialed in with my wedges, which, you know, you don't want to hear that, but, and that's also a video that's coming out. So it's a little tease. Diddle. You know, we were hitting off the mats, which was something. I love mats. You do love mats. And so the reason we're hitting off the mats, because the grass can't grow at this time of the year. So everyone's just chunking. You know, it's a wedge course. So it's like if you think about how many fucking divvits come on a wedge course. Yeah, the grass doesn't grow back. The grass doesn't grow back. So we were hitting off mats, which made it a little bit harder, but also fun when you can just spin the ball right to the pin.

Right? Yeah. Everyone just hits a pure shot off a mat. Yeah, and nobody, it's such a fun experience. Nobody cares. No, you tell me to hit off here.

I'll hit off here. I'll hit off a carpap. On one, it was a little weird. By whole two, I liked it. Yeah. Like,

that's how, like, I mean, it's just so fun. It was so just, like, perfect amount of, like,

hills and, and, like, bounces when you, because you're only hitting a 55-yard shot, so, like, you would think that it would be an easy chip, but like, like, there was one where I hit on the right side,

and I was like, Oh, yeah, baby. Kick to the left. And it just kicked to the right, 100 feet. I was like, holy shit, man. What's up there? Then you get up there and you're putting over a bunch of stuff. It was a lot of fun.

Must do. If you come to Piner's a must, must do. There's a train that went by. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love trains. I'm such a train guy. Why do you love trains? I don't know, man.

You know what? I think the reason is because my dad used to have and set up during the holidays a toy train throughout our whole basement. Oh, really? And we love Christmas And one of my favorite activities Was like setting up that train With my old man

It was awesome Awesome Yeah we used to have one that like During the Christmas time That would just go around the tree under it Yeah And that was always very fun Was it John Deer?

The train? Yeah Does John Deer make trains? I don't know I don't think so Probably not I wore my John Deer shirt today Yeah

Yeah you did that's right Did you get used to get Hest trucks Yeah For Christmas No Hest trucks They just get rocks No, we never, I don't know what Heschrucks are.

Those are hot wheels? Hold on now. Hang on now. You sound like you're just about to start sticking the Franks and not to rip valid. You don't know what a Hes truck is. The end is the year. A Hes truck I'll Google it right now. Dude.

And the Hest truck's back and it's better than ever. Hey now. Hey now. The Hestrach's back. Yeah. Nope. I don't know what. Dude.

I don't know what's happening. Every year Hesse came out with a fucking nude. truck and it was like an airplane it was a truck it was a corvette oh yeah i recognize that it was a it was a 18 wheeler and you had to get the hess truck are you insane okay no he's from i'm seeing it now i'm seeing it now i just never knew it was called the hestruck i didn't remember that before yeah i've definitely seen those yeah you get it from year to year train came by i started just saying chew chew chew out loud last time i saw a train i think was chambers bay we were on like oh yeah 14 or 15.

That was a train headed straight for Hogwarts at Chamber's bed. It was on this fucking, I don't know what that water is, but there was like mountains in the background. And this train was just chugging along. It had the smoke stack. It was chugging along straight to Hogwarts. And I, you can't convince me it wasn't. It was. It was out of a fucking fantasy land.

This one was a little bit more real. What was I just going to say? I don't know. I was, yeah. I still, every word that I said, I want people to know that 30% of my brain power has been focused. just going to try to remember what I wanted to say. It's contagious. It is.

It's infectious. I was going to say something. Then an email popped up in the name said Dave Portner and everything that was, everything that was in my brain quickly evaporated. I went to like SOS mode and I was just like what do I have to do? No, I was just like an email about like an upcoming pizza review guest. But I was like, what did I do? Because I'm out here playing too much golf. I just feel it.

I played too much. I've played too much. You know, but you know what? We've actually been working our damn dicks off at. here. This video we're putting out, this video series, it's going to be awesome. And we're, you know, we're doing interviews and stories and it's nonstop. We're putting out this podcast and we're doing it every day. I know it sounds like champagne problems because it is. We're playing Pioneers, which is awesome. Yeah, no, but we overall, we have like the perfect golf day. You play number two at Pinehurst and it's a true test. It's very difficult. The greens are insane. And then you afterwards, you go, you play the cradle, you relax. You play a very fun round of golf and that's it. What a cool day. Next up, we'll talk about Pioneers number four. So when you listen to this, that's tomorrow, but in a couple minutes, we're going to have a little transition, maybe an ad read. Who knows what the ad read is going to be?

Ooh, I don't know. We don't know because it's in a couple days. We're not even sure we have the it. What's the ad read? I don't even know it's on the itinerary because it's so long from now. But you're just going to listen to what happened to me tomorrow. Now, I've been lucky already. I've made it this far.

And each day you've heard me, and the next time you hear it could be like two people on the podcast and they're just like, Frankie died. Like something happened. You don't know. He had too much CBD. Nothing's guaranteed. I don't think you can. the overdose on CPD. Nate once,

Barstil, Nate once, had too many CBD gummies and he got all wacky. He started trust falling in a piece. He started trust falling. That's how I know. That's how I know when the dog has had too many CBD guns would help trust fall in it.

In our office, Trent and Nate sit behind me. And I remember one time, Nate was just doing a buffet of bits and he was just getting wacky and being like doing all these things. And I looked at him like, what's wrong with you, Nate?

And Trent takes off his fucking head, his headphones and looks at him so seriously, he goes, have you had C. have you had CBD gummies today? And it was just like a parent that was like, did you have too much sugar this morning?

Because you're bouncing off the walls. I have to ask him when he starts, when I see him walking across the office doing trust falls into people, I have to be like, did we get the new shipment of CBD gummies because Nate has taken too many? That's going to do it. But next you're going to hear us what we did on number four. So we're going to play number four,

which is surrounds number two, which is awesome. Number four is an original Donald Ross design that has actually been redone, many different times most recently by Gil Hans who we had on this show and apparently it's very different than it's a little. Less than a year it's been open right? Yeah the new version. Less than a year I think. So, uh, so next up is number four. You guys are about to time travel again. Yep. You're about to time travel again. We have no idea what happened, but you're going to know

what happened in a minute. Back to the future. That's so fucked if you think of that. In like one minute, you're just going to like know what we did. We saw the paint Stewart statute that was awesome. Oh yeah. That was so cool. It got a little dusty. We had one, one interview we did. Bruce talking about Bain Stewart, and it got a little, it got, yeah, I got like goosebumps. Big time. Yeah. Next time's number four.

You know what got me through this entire trip, walking golf courses, left the right, getting in, getting up, standing up, walking, running, chasing golf balls around. What? You want it made me super comfortable the whole time? What? You know what gave me a nice little pocket for my goods? Who was that? Tommy John.

Tommy John. Nice. It's the only underwear in our drawers. We threw everything else out. Gone. Gone. Gone. Threw him away.

Trash can. I don't own. A hard. a hard reset on all my underwear Tommy John Here's the other thing We had a huge debate With some of the girls in the office

Well it actually wasn't a debate There was just one answer And they asked like what What do you guys wear underwear This is a real argument that we had With Ria Fran Casey, Kate All these girls Ellie

They were like We like to see men In boxer briefs And you know These like nice looking Tight to your legs They have a little pouch You can see what's going on

Not these childish pieces of cloth that my chicken legs look like they're, you know. No, they said that that's like a boy. You're like an unattractive boy. A childish boy. Or like you're like how a girl will wear like their boyfriend's extra big boxers and they'll walk around the house. That's you if you're not wearing these. No, you want to put on boxer briefs that are tight and snug and they just, they're made out of a

material in which we've said this a couple times. It's like these places. that come out with these crazy materials. It's like they went to another world to get them. Like, how does Tommy John come out with this comfortable of an underwear and other companies can't? I don't get that. Like, what did they, did they buy out the market of comfortable underwear?

Because you can't switch to anything else. I once ran out and I tried to use a competitor of them and I had it. And I literally, I went back into my hamper and put on ones that I wore the night before. You're right. It's how bad the other ones are. I'm not kidding with you. It feels like this type of, like, lightweight. breathable fabric that's that soft

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Tom Fasio got his hands on it. A bunch of people got their hands on it. We just got our claws on it. Our paws on it. our golf balls on it, our wedges and our drivers and our putters all over that damn thing. Yep. And it was spectacular. No more future bullshit.

This is it. We're done with North Carolina. Yeah. We just played all the courses. You know, a couple minutes ago, you just heard us after Pinesh number two. It took us about 24 hours. How crazy is that? It took us about 24 hours to get here to where we're at right now.

But we're back. And listen, we played Pinas number four. It was my favorite course I've played yet. We're not going to give it all away. I'm going to edge the shit out of you again. There's a video coming. We interviewed our caddy. Are you getting sick on?

What? She's not like he's getting sick. The Islanders just lost their first game in a month. And I'm a little upset. I'm a little emotional. So maybe that's what you're hearing in my voice. Okay. It could be it.

You know, the Islanders lost to the Penguins. We lost in a shootout. We had a 3-0 leading the third. We lost 4-3. It's really tough to swallow. Oh, my goodness. It's really tough to handle. That home, too.

It's really tough. It's just really tough. It's just really tough. really tough out there. Your tiger is so good. Just that, just those, however many words that is, there are maybe four there? Really tough.

You know? It's just really tough out there. You guys think we're brave? I was thinking about this. Do you think we're brave for saying that number four is our favorite? Because I think people get bullied, not bullied, but they get pressured into saying that it's number two is their favorite because of all the prestige and what comes along with it.

But number four was across the board, at least with us, our favorite. Yeah. Someone said to me earlier, like, oh, number four is my favorite. And I don't just say that to be contrarian. So he must get that a lot, probably. I'm not just saying that to be a contrarian. I genuinely enjoyed, I genuinely enjoyed number two. I thought number two was light years better than number eight.

I disagree with that. I agree with Frankie. I thought number two was fucking awesome. It was hard as shit. It was hard as shit. But I thought it was awesome. And then I got onto number four and I was like, this fucking course is awesome. Yeah.

I thought number four. was one of the best courses I've ever played. And that's like no bullshit. That's no bullshit. We played Pebble Beach. I played MBCC. We've played fucking awesome courses. I thought number four was up there with all of them.

I agree. I think number four is one of the coolest and best overall experiences, golf course-wise, that I've ever played. It had such a cool look to it from the waste areas. It had a mix of rough and waste areas and bunkering. Gilhands had redone a bunch of the bunkers. so it had like a lot of different looks it was it was unique it stood out every hole it felt like was memorable like you can go through the round and each tea like one of my big complaints about number two and again number two was considered to be one of the great courses in america one of the best championship courses in the world it's a phenomenal golf course i love everything about it but at some point you have to like other courses better or worse or whatever and and i like number four more But one of my big complaints about number two was I did feel like there were a lot of holes where you stood in the tea in it like

At the end of the round you don't necessarily remember one hole from the other Yeah a lot right like they were a little bit like they blended together Um, whereas number four it felt like you stood on so many teas and they were distinguishable We said this in the video about like there were a lot of teas where we walked on the tea and and everyone in the group pulled out their phone and take a picture and be like holy fuck That didn't happen many times at number two Because number two was just like a bunch of wasteland And fairway and crazy greens That's like all it was from time to time

Over and over and over again Number four had color There was like red trees on it There was a ton of like There was a ton of cool little bunkering There wasn't that much waste area There was fairway there was rough It was cool man

Then there was that vista When you got to like a fourth elevation Or whatever it was Like you started to see You look out to your left And I guess it was three It was the third hole where you play that That little dog leg left par four

And you get out there And you can see through the trees on your left You can see like this pond And these hills behind it And all these trees and all these golf holes I think they said from that point In the course you can see like 14 holes Yeah

Of somebody you can see 14 golf holes On the same golf On the same golf property That doesn't make any sense It's crazy you use this word But it's Augusta-esque It was that word a couple times today People were tossing that word around today

The caddies were using it, the caddies that the loopers, and shout out to Logan. I talked about him a couple minutes ago, which was yesterday. Logan, my caddy. I think I'm going to invite him to my future wedding. Yeah, I, he have a type of connection in which I can't replicate with anyone else. It is. He double looped for you and me today. It didn't happen yesterday or two minutes ago whenever you're listening to it.

But he was a great guy. He can read greens like you wouldn't believe. Dude, I, so everyone was like, oh, Frankie is going to be destroyed at Pinehurst with his butter knives and all the turtleback green. and like this is the worst place in the world for him to go you can go anywhere else and he'll like whatever i had logan on my bag of pinnors number two and pinnish number four the ball never once rolled back to my feet once because of his reads one like two or three times throughout the two days of 36 holes like i putted it too much and too far in which it went over the green and like onto like the fringe area but never once did he give me a read in which it was like a mistake which i feel

like happens to people that play pine hers all the time where you're like oh i just didn't know where it was going to go. It comes right back on me. I mean, it happened to you thousand times. It feels like Trent. And Logan had me. Why did you point and say a thousand? Because it did happen to him at that time. He's trying to make a point, but it didn't happen a few times. I will say. Logan had me so dialed in and I didn't even score that great. Today I shot a better number. I had a goal. I beat it. And I had a couple triples and doubles. I had three triples and two doubles. That's without giving anything away without my score. I had a couple blow up holes. But Logan had me so

dialed in today that like, I swear I'm going to invite him to my wedding. There were times where I'd look at him. He'd be like, the pin would be 15 feet to the right of where he's standing. He goes, hit it right here and let it die. I'm like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? He goes, just trust me. I hit it up there, the balls ends up tap in range.

Tap in. Taping! You know what it was? It was on the fourth hole that part of three. That was crazy. That was crazy. He goes, hit it all the way up here. And I said, I said, Logan, there's no way the ball's going to die down there.

No way. Right? Like, there's no way if I hit it up there. It's just going to take a sharp right turn. And it did, man. He goes, one more inch, you would have been in the hole. I was like, holy fuck. And he was always just so confident.

Like, and so the caddy experience is so huge. Ryan Whitney actually texted me. Huge. Well, we were just like on our way to the brewer. We went to the pine, uh, the, um, Piners Brewer's Brewery. And Whitney was texting me like, how is Piners? Isn't that the sickest place you ever been? I was like, yeah.

And then he's like asking me how I shot. And I was like, man, Mike, he goes, I said, you know, I didn't play bad today, but my, my caddy really dialed me in. he's like the caddy makes the whole difference that the whole, uh, makes the whole experience. Because I guess he's been here before in which like his

catty made his experience or didn't make his experience. Like I think the caddy makes the experience your pioneers. Because we played like the, we played the cradle today without caddies and like some of these fucking greens impossible. It's impossible to know where they're going to go. Like, and I know it makes you feel like less of a golfer when the guy's telling you where to put.

But it makes it so much more fun when it's also a fun team effort man. You guys sit there and he's like, like, hey, you know, I think it's about maybe two and a half cups outside left, what do you think? And I'm like, yeah, I was kind of thinking that too, but I'm thinking about hitting this one a little bit firmer. He's like, all right, maybe it's like a cup and a half then, you know, and like, you have that,

you have that relationship and that conversation and that like huge, strategic approach. It's a part of the game. Dude, you watch your caddy, take that walk around the green, and you're like, this guy cares about what I'm about to do. Yep. You like, you feel a sense of like, he cares about me making a put. I felt that about Logan all day. Like, he

would go to my, my, my, he'd, he'd kneel down in front of my ball and then he'd take a walk around. He'd say, let me walk around. He'd say, let me walk around. Let me take some walking around money. Let me just. Let me put some change my pocket. A little jingle jangle.

Let me walk around. And then I'm going to look at your fucking read. Yeah. And he did that multiple times where I'm like, dude, this guy wants me to get close. He wants me to get close. Yeah. And it never once like hit me where it was like, oh, if I hit a bad put or something, he never once was like, oh, like it was just like he always would say like, all right,

we didn't read that one right. Or you know what I mean? Like it was always like a, there was no. there was no blame you're on the same fucking page I think all of pinerces like that you can tell that Austin that catty fucking barn all those guys look sick

every single one looks like looks awesome I gotta give love to Austin awesome was my guy today out there man he had me going we had such a good round going I may or may not have collapsed at the end you have to wait and see

on the video but I had a phenomenal round going phenomenal and my boy Austin had me dialed right in we were on the exact same page. 3-3-757. Club selections.

He had, after one hole, he's like, all right, let's reset. We're going to reset. We're going to redo this. Let's get back into the round, and we did. So my guy Austin was phenomenal, but you're right. The caddies make a huge, huge difference. There are certain courses where you need to have caddies, and they're a part of the experience and this at Piner's, I can't explain.

I mean, imagine what we would have shot if we didn't have caddies. We're not going to give the numbers away. and I played better on number four today than the rest of the days, but it's like with a huge blowup on the first hole, I'm not trying to give that away. But if I didn't have a caddy out there. Epic blowup in the first hole that everyone has to watch. Is it even, can you call to blow up if you haven't had any success before that?

Yes. Okay. Because you have had success. Like, you drive the ball down fairways. Your first team machine, like you play good golf. Like you're very capable of making like bogies consistently. And then this was not that. No, it wasn't that.

But imagine playing the Piner's Screens without a Pachia. Well, yeah, I can because, like, who is our caddy at number eight? What was his name? Dalton. Dalton. Dalton was a really good kid. Huge four-play fan. He said he knew exactly who we were.

He actually didn't know who we were until he walked up to the range. He walked up to me on the range of number eight. We had spoken all the CBD, MD guys. And we were, like, hanging out. And then Dalton comes up. He goes, holy shit. I got you guys on my bag today. I'm like, yeah.

He's like, I'm a huge four. play fan but like when you when you have a four caddy and he's just really like doing putters and greens and stuff you don't like get the same connection as when like no logan was carrying your bag so at number eight i felt a lot more on my own in which like dalton was really just taking care of the whole foursome like raking greens like i asked him a couple of things here i'm sorry raking bunkers raking bunkers a couple things late i know it is late and it's been fucking you know just he's out here raking greens you guys listening it's been a couple minutes from each fucking thing but like it's been four days.

We've been doing a lot of work. I've had 11 CBD gummies. I think you're supposed to take two every 24 hours. You're about to start trust falling into people. God. Nate, I just burped a pretzel. I had so many pretzel bites today at the deuce.

Holy shit. The dews is a a plus spot. And I had two uncrustables on the golf course. Uncrucibles. Let me just talk about uncrustful. Just to finish on Dalton. He was a great caddy, but I didn't feel like he was giving me the reeds in which, like, you know, same reason where I said, like,

Logan was walking around cared about what I did. Dalton's just like getting us through the round. Yeah. He's four caddying. He's four caddying. I've done that as a caddy a million times. You just want to get us through the round. Everything's clean.

He tells us where to hit the ball off the tee. That's fine. I also shot up, I shot a really bad score at number eight and I just didn't feel like I was putting the right way. I mess a put four putt four or five times. Yeah. Three putt every hole at number eight.

I would have scored a lot better. It was embarrassing. I would have a lot better had Logan on number eight. And that's no disrespect to Dalton. That just wasn't his job that day. He wasn't doing the same. Same thing Logan did the other two days. Yeah.

Let me talk about uncrossibles really quick. Okay. We're on number four. What hole is that? Number eight. Nine T. We're on number, we just finished eight. We're walking up to 90.

There's this place. I don't know. The nest. The nest. They serve a thing called a woodpecker there because there's a woodpecker preserve on the number four green, on number four course. I know. I can't talk, Andrew.

Shut the fuck up. You're a Ranger van. Sure. He is a Ranger fan. Rangers won today on his loss. How did you say that out of life? I don't know. Uncrustables.

Uncrustables. So, I'm on the tea box. No one had eaten. You know, we had a 9.30 tea time. Sometimes, like, you know, they have the California, oh, my God, the Carolina Hotel here, which has an incredible, impeccable breakfast. If you stay here at Piner's, go to the Carolina Hotel. They have their tickling the ivories.

They're playing the piano. They'll make you fucking waffles. They'll make you fucking all these things. It's great. They'll make you fucking waffles. Dude, like when you have an early tea time, sometimes you don't want to do that. So you're like, let's just go to the course. Let's hit fucking balls.

Let's put on the greens. Let's chip around. So we did that. We teed up at 9. I'm starving by the time we get to number 9. It's like 12.30 in the afternoon. I'm like, hey guys, I'm going to go get like a hot dog or something. Do you want something at the nest?

Fucking Logan, my catty goes, I said to him, do you want a granola bar? And he goes, he almost said yes because he's such like a sweet, nice dude. Yeah. And he goes, you know what? Do you have uncrustables down there? Do you mind getting me one of those? And the whole foursome goes, uncrustables?

Yeah. Like, you guys all gave me granola bar orders. I don't know. I just need something to put in my son. I just panicked. I get me a ninth tee bar. I'm like,

what the fuck does that mean? Uncrustibles were there. So I go up there and there's this, this lady behind the glass, she rolls it up. What can I get y'all? I'm like, it's just me,

so don't say y'all anymore. Don't ever say it again. I almost said that to her. Because other people down south say, y'all, it was just me. I looked around. I was just me.

y'all they use it pretty liberally get y'all just me i said let me get some uncrustables she goes why don't you check why don't you all check around the corner and there's some uncrustables in there i looked at that i said there's only four ma'am i said i need nine said i need nine of these you have six people a couple of them one extras let's just get this going she goes she goes into this freezer and grabs as many uncrucible she goes you just cleared me out son i'm like yeah i did yeah it was so funny watching thirty four dollars worth of uncrustables at the golf course it was so funny watching fregy wander back to the ninth T just swinging a bag full of uncrustables.

She gave it to me in a bag. So there was a bag full of bags of uncrustables and I handed them out to the whole fours, the whole threesome. It was me, Trent and Rags. We had the two guys and we had our two producers, Andrew and Jake. They were both like loving the uncressibles. I got an

extra one for myself because I carried them all. So I had two. But you know, like everyone was talking about how they have the best amount and perfect amount of peanut butter and jelly. Can you imagine? We hadn't had an uncrustable since Pebble Beach, which I don't understand why the gap has to be that large in terms of time between uncrossable.

The only place you can get across the place is like Pebble Beach, Piner's like, what is with this? The world. World class U.S. Open iconic venue. It's the only place you get a fucking accrucible. That's what it's, I mean, our small simple size, that seems to be true. It has to be. Why are we not having these at the office for lunch? I don't know.

Why don't I bring them every day? Why don't, when we're recording the pockets, why am I not eating it? Why am I eating a crossbow right now? Let me ask you that. Are uncrustable is like okay for you, you think? Probably they're probably so bad. No, peanut butter and jelly sandwich is actually a pretty good meal. You gotta think that like to have the preservatives.

But like bread and sugar. But like you gotta think for them to keep them like in order like to be in a freezer and all that stuff. It's got to be somewhat like, you know, it's not like natural peanut butter and like the best. Who cares, dude? I don't care. But like you got to think. What are you a vegan also? Oh, I'm just saying it's got.

There's no way it can stay fresh when it's massively like. It's like a McDonald's burger. Like, if you leave it out for a year, it looks exactly the same. There's no way. It's the same. There's no way that's the same as, like, getting a jar of peanut butter. There's no way. And it makes it better.

And it does make it special, I guess, when we stumble upon on Crestibles now. Listen, if, like, today when Logan was like, I want it on Crescival, everyone was like, holy shit. It would be a sad day if I got to a point where I ate it on a Crosseville and it felt like a Chipotle burrito feels now, or it's just the same thing over. Right. Do you have a crazy reach on this podcast? So many people listen to it. Do you think that there's someone that knows someone that works at Uncrustibles? Yeah.

You think we're not going to get a DM from Uncrustables? You're crazy. So I want to get a DM from Uncrestables to my personal account. Not 4Play. I want you to DM Frankie Borrelli and be like, we got you, son. Send us a whole mess of them. No, no. I want Uncrucibles to write the words.

Listen to me. We got you, son. Write that. If that happens, then I know we've made it. So Uncrucibles writes to me, we got you son I will pass out all right I think it's going to happen

I'd rather have a deal from uncrustables than I don't know I don't even know what I'm saying that's just number one on the list that's number one like imagine having unlimited uncrustables boy that would be nice damn they're so good number four though today

really good stuff ninth hole the nest the whole thing picture ass holes I took pictures on my Instagram today people were calling me Frankie gems that's no offense to links gems but people were saying Who was calling you that? Multiple, multiple people.

We're going to need to see evidence of that. I'll show you right now. You just flipped your phone up. Yeah, nobody, I mean, the pictures you took were great. The one looks like a painting. I took a ton of good pictures on this iPhone. You took great photos. Frankie Jams all over the place.

I have to say, before we're done here, Pinehurst, we wrapped up Pinehurst. Number four was all three of our favorite courses, which is, which I don't know that anybody really would have expected. It's a spectacular place. It is such a unique place. It's the cradle of American golf. The cradle also is extremely cool. We talked about the cradle. Did we talk about the cradle?

Yeah. I think we talked about the cradle. Yeah, we did. We talked about the cradle. Cradle has been a ton of fun. A ton of fun. You can spin balls back. Our producer Andrew almost had two hole in ones, two nights in a row.

Yeah. A lot of fun. A lot of fun. We met someone that hit their first hole and one today on the third hole. Ninth hole. Ninth hole in the cradle. Ninth hole of the cradle. This guy walked up to us and he goes,

I actually had my first hole in one. It's like 110. 10 yard, downhill, crazy, right to left once you hit the green, fucking green. And this guy drained it. Man, what was his name? Hunter? Hunter? Sebastian? I don't know.

Who? Dude, honestly, Sebastian is closer because I think he was a redhead. And I'm thinking of the Sebastian, the lobster. Is it a lobster? Yeah. Is he a lobster? Under the sea. Under the sea.

Under the sea. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, I think he was a Sebastian. Definitely. Now I'm just going off his haircuts. Congratulations to him, whole and one. Big thanks to Pinehurst, to Pinehurst Resort, to Tom Pashley, who's the president of Pynerst,

who's a good buddy of ours who had us down here, said, hey, you got to play eight, you got to play two, you got to play four, set us up, made sure we had a good itinerary. Our boy Eric at the Pineshurst Brewery, we just came from there. We just had a little dinner there. Great stuff. A couple beers, that place is spectacular. All of our caddies, from Logan to Austin. to Thomas, to Dalton.

I don't know who else I'm missing? Am I missing any other caddies? I had Zach. Zach. Zach was great. We ran into a couple of caddies in the actual caddy yard, caddy barn area, who called into the show, called into our show when we did the behind the greens,

which is a lot like behind the scenes. And finally, we have to give a shout out to Tom. Pashley? Well, I led with that, but yeah, you can give him another one. I'm going to finish it with it. Okay. That's what I'm finishing with. Finally.

There are not enough words to talk about him. He's an awesome guy. He is a perfect gentleman. You know what's great about him? All right. Here's a couple. Here's a teacher for our video. Our video series at Pineers will end with Tom Paschley's voice, I think.

Yeah. That's how good he is. Because he did a great interview. He talks so passionately about Pioneer. She's the president of the entire place. The way he described himself, he goes, I am the president of, Pinehurst resorts And I

And we are going to evolve We're never going to stop The stuff he says makes you want to run through a fucking wall He talks so Tom passionately about it Ooh That got me going Daddy out of his chair You know what I'll say about Tom passionately

Is I'll say that he's a guy who gets it He is You think president of Pioneer's You probably picture something in your head Or everyone here's We're all doing it We've all done it. Before you meet him.

Yeah, see. Right. You picture somebody very, Hello, gentlemen. Hello, Spalding. That's exactly what it is. Yeah, and he's not that. He's like,

he's very forward thinking. He's very smart. He knows what he's doing. I mean, it's just, I can't say enough about the guy. He's a guy who just gets it. He wears a ton of hats and he wears them all like so appropriately, right?

Like, it's not like he's masking anyone that he is, but he also, he can, like, thrive in so many different environments. Yeah. Like, you know that man can go sit down with a bunch of suits and just work the room. Yep. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

present all of the traditions of Pinehurst in the perfect manner for that setting. And they can also sit down to the Pioneers Brewery with us and crush beers and, like, laugh about this Instagram post or that. And this is the same man who brought the cradle to Pinehurst, which is like, and, and, and you're going to see in the videos that we put out that that was, like, an insane. bold thing for them to do. Like they took an area where there were two other golf holes that were parts of like Pinehurst 4 and Pinehurst 5 or whatever.

And that's right in front of the clubhouse. Like right there at the vista where all the pictures are taken where everybody sees it from the balcony. It could be 18 for like a premier golf. Correct. And they just took that, blew it up and just made it a nine hole 789 yard par three course with fucking speakers in the trees. playing country music and a pine cone, which is like a ridiculous little like van bar

that sells draft beer and cocktails to you at Pinehurst, this incredibly traditional place where they hang their hat on being the cradle of American golf and then they just built this thing right there. And it is and every one of them talks in the video about how that is like done more for their resort in the last year or a year and a half, however long it's been open than anything they've done in 10 or 20 years because those types of things are just so fun. So Tom Pashley

was he's the vision, he's been the present, he's been the overseer of all this and he is our friend and he has hooked us up and he has guided us through this entire trip, giving us suggestions, given us recommendations, told us where we should go, what we should do basically held our hand throughout

the entire thing and he could not have been he's been like our personal show for he's been like a friend like you said you would think he'd be a buttoned up wearing a top hat like you're below me type of person fucking being the president of piners i walked up i walked up to him today i walked up to the president of piner's today at a fucking brewery and i dapped him up and said man this place is fucking awesome i dropped the nft bomb right in his face he goes isn't it and he punched me on the chest like you're the man frankie i'm like dude you're my

bro like you're my bro yeah like tom's my bro and he goes anytime you want to come back bring anyone you want like you this is your place like i love the fact that you guys love this place. Dude, he could be, uh, uh, he could be a salt and pepper. He could be a nameless, faceless president of pinerers. He could be a douchebag is what we're trying to say. He's not. He's the man.

He is the fucking man. I love him. Like, I would, I'm proud to like have talked to him. That's how cool he is. I agree with that. I think the fact that he likes me. Yes. It makes me feel better about myself.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. It makes he's willing to associate with a guy like me and guys like you. It's like, all right. He had him sit down for our video series and he was like, like, he was like nervous to do our stuff. The guy fucking runs Piner's.

He's like, oh, he goes, was that good enough? Like, the way he was talking. The guy runs. Look, was that good enough, man? I just got the chills where you're talking. I just ran through that wall and came back here while you were talking. What do you mean? Is that good enough?

Tom Pashley is the man, Piner's a great, great, great spot. It's everything that I thought it would be. And we've only played three of the courses, three of the nine courses, four of the ten, if you include the cradle. So there's a lot more to get to. We will absolutely be back. I think that's our podcast on Pinehurst. This has been North Carolina.

Finally, you guys got it. What, Andrew? No, we know what to say. Yeah. We do the show. Well, I'm saying, we do the show. We've probably done hundreds of shows. We've never not said.

How many shows we've done? Yeah. Tons. Andrew told us to say hit it hard. how crazy is that I don't think you should say it I don't think we should say it I don't think we're not

I don't want to say it I don't want to consider I don't know whenever someone tells me to do something I don't want to do it I'm not saying it I'm not either I refuse to say

this will be the one episode I don't say it well actually I used to not say it until Tiger 1 you can till Tiger 1 but now I'm not going to say it I'm not saying you can edit it

and we're telling you no we're going to tell you not to yeah who runs this podcast he's like demanding that he's going to change a podcast

he's now saying That's just not how it works. We are saying that if you're listening to this, we are not going to say hit it hard. No. And it's. Andrew, one of our producers told us he demanded we say hit it hard and we won't. I refuse. This has been North Carolina.

Yep. You finally got it. We're done. We're going to go play with Kevin Kisner. That's going to be another fucking episode. That's going to be crazy. We're going to play golf with Kevin Kizner tomorrow. It's going to be sick.

It's going to be sick. It's one of the craziest things that's ever happened on us. Now we're just going to end the podcast. All right. All right. The podcast, the podcast is now over. Clap. Clap for us.

Okay. Ready? Okay. Thank you for listening. A little programming note on Thursday. We will recap the entire weekend with Kiz from our round of golf with him to the Kisner Foundation event, the concert. And then we're also going to plug in about 20, 25 minutes of audio of the roundtable that we did. It was myself.

It was Kiz. It was Kevin Chappell. And it was Jason Duffner. We were up in front of the audience of the. Kisner Foundation, very, very funny. We had a bunch of drinks. So we're going to include that. We're going to recap the entire thing.

Big thanks to Kiz, to Kevin and Brittany Kisner for having us out, the Kisner Foundation. You're going to hear all about that on Thursday's show, so stay tuned.