Fore Play - Playing Golf With The President With NHL Legend Jeremy Roenick

Episode Date: January 25, 2022

What’s it like to play a round of golf with the President… during a security breach? Jeremy Roenick (01:08:23) joins us to chat about that plus a deep dive into his historic NHL career. He also buries Frankie and the Islanders. Before, we breakdown Danielle Kang's Fore Play bump win, maybe the best weekend in NFL playoff history, and our journey around the happiest place on earth, Disney World.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, I'm presented by Barsal Sports. We are back. We have a big show. We have Jeremy Roneck joining this show. I will say as a hockey guy growing up, St. Louis Blues fan against the Chicago Blackhawks against Jeremy Roneck all the time. This is one of my favorite interviews we've ever done.

JR's a huge golfer. He was playing in the Hilton Grand Vacations tournament of champions last week. celebrity portion, obviously. He has some history of Barcelona sports and being on Barstville podcast. We were a little nervous going into it because of that history, and he just led the interview with it. He's real, he's raw, he's candid.

He told stories about playing golf with President Trump when he was president. Unreal stories about old-time hockey, the difference between them and now. I know it's not a hockey podcast, but if you're just a sports fan or a fan of greatness in general, he's obviously a hockey hall famer.

He was a huge part of hockey broadcasting for many, many years. And it's just a really, really good interview. So, J.R. Make sure you stick around, listen to that. And then Danielle Kay, four play bump. We had her on the show, the last show. She goes out and just fucking want. She won down there.

We were there all week. Big week for us. We got, what, six interviews while we were down there in Orlando. And then Danielle Kang. And I was looking at it. I mean, obviously she wins. It's really cool. You feel like, oh, yeah, Daniel Kang's awesome.

She wins tournament. She's a major championship. Like, that's her sixth win ever. So, like, she plays golf tournaments all the time every year, dozens of them and just doesn't win. And last week, she just won. And she won the fucking golf tournament. It's phenomenal.

I mean, we talked to her for an hour, and I tweeted it out, and it meant no disrespect to Daniel Kang, but we talked about nothing for an hour. I mean, she said she didn't. didn't know anything about the golf course. We talked about mermaids. We talked about if we're real people, if we're living in a simulation. She asked us if we were going to Disney. She said maybe she'll go to Disney if she can get out of like the pro-am in time. Everything about it felt like it was just a maled-in type of week for Danielle Kang from our point of view. Meanwhile, she said that she had

worked like four hours on the front nine on her Tuesday practice round. It's just you forget that when they're done recording and they leave us and like we all are having fun and we go to Disney and our milkshakes and our brownies sundaes and our steak sandwiches and all that stuff and we're discussing human beings that she goes back and she's a professional athlete it's hard for me to make that connection where it's like all right we're hanging out with her she's one of the boys the way she was talking it's like all right and then she just goes out and wins like an l pGA event i can't make that connection of how good of an athlete she is because of how awesome she is and i struggle with that with all of our guests the fact that

that they go out and do these things. It really is mind-blowing that she went out and won that tournament, the way she was talking about how she knew nothing about the golf course. And I felt like I was talking one of my buddies. And you watch her on TV making these eagles and draining these puts. So who is that? I don't know. Who's that person that is doing all that stuff?

How could someone be that normal? How could someone be that normal and that awesome? And then also that amazing at golf? You can't compare everybody to Bryson. I mean, like, there are people out there. Like, she might be, like, deflecting her saying, like, you know, downplaying how in tune she is. I mean, she spent the whole day playing nine holes. So if you spent the whole day, like, putting around night, like, she did at least admit to that.

So, but she does make it on our level of, like, no, I'm just like, you're, like, having fun so you can talk to her as a human being. But certainly everybody's not like Bryson, which is just you can't even talk to that species. She's a little bit, Kisner-esque. there's what's that a little bit kisneresk where kiz plays it off like that too and then you learn like he got there two and a half hours early and he's with the physio and he's in the truck and he's working on his body and he's like when he grinds he grinds she reminded me of that a little bit and like frankie said she said it took her three hours to play the front nine she let three groups go through like she was working as hard as humanly possible to learn the front nine of that golf course

or nine holes whichever nine she was playing that day um So you're right. It's cool that she sat there and shot the shit with us. We were supposed to do the interview with her a little behind the curtain at noon. And then she was supposed to tee off, I believe, at one. And she was like, how long do you guys want me for? And I was like, well, 30 minutes, you know, at least would be great. She's like, well, do you want to go like longer?

Because if you want to go longer, I need to come at like three or four and we can just talk forever. And we were like, yeah, let's do that. So that whole hour long conversation about talking about nothing was her also being aware that she was going to talk about nothing with us and that if she's going to talk about nothing with us forever, she needs to do that later in the day, not when she actually has shit to do. So she's just the best. I'm with Frankie. There's still a total disconnect for me.

For whatever reason, I can't wrap my head around these professional athletes doing what they do while also speaking with us at any point in time. For whatever reason, it just doesn't make sense to me. Like, it's stupid, but it's human nature. I put myself in her position, right? Like, all right, I'm down here. Termin of Champions. I'm playing this week.

I'm a professional golfer. This is my job. If that were me, I think I would be in my hotel room until I had to go to the golf course and, like, practice and then go right back. Like, I would be a ball of nerves. I'd be freaking out. I'd be like, oh, my God, I got to play in front of people. There's these expectations that I'm this person and I've won this major and this many tournaments. So I just have to be laser focused.

I certainly don't have time for this stupid fucking podcast where we talk about mermaids and conspiracy theories and whether or not we should be eating seafood. I would just be focused. But this is a credit to her because she's, it's part of her. It's just who she is. She's loose. She's like, yeah,

I don't know much about the golf course, but I was out there for a few hours trying to figure out just the front nine. I can come talk to you guys. It's pretty relaxed and chill. And then when it's go time, it's go time. And I'm going to try and win this tournament.

And, you know, sometimes I am actually going to win the tournament. And that's what she did. It's just a different level. And for me, there's a disconnect that I don't understand. And it just makes what, these people do all that more impressive.

Yeah. It does. It's also a plug to go watch that four-man scramble against her. And, you know, the interview is not the only piece of content we've done with it. We played around with her for five hours. And we got to see her up close, play golf. And it was a course that we didn't love and she didn't know and she still was amazing and came all the way back and stormed back to try and tie us up. And it's a great match.

And I don't think it's gotten as much love as it should on YouTube. It's got to get more views because of how awesome of a. person she is. And hopefully this wind will catapult that side of, you know, people wanting to watch more content with her. Let's make this about us. I love it. I think that's a great call.

Yeah. I got a small update that my brother just texted me that I have to share because Frankie was just chatting. And if this happened to Frankie, I think he'd blow the whole place up. So my brother is flying home with his two kids and his wife today from Florida. They're checking in their bags, whatever, like in line. The guy, and it's a small, like regional airport. the guy who is checking in bags,

checks in two bags, and then quits his job. He's done. He quits his job, walks off. Now all planes, everything's just delayed because he checks in for multiple airlines, and he's done,

he walked out. And I'm like, no, no, no, this is not to me believe. My brother's like, yeah, we're just, I don't know when we're going to leave because we need to get somebody new in here

to check the bags to get us on the airplane. It's over. So the guy stopped the whole airport. He just quit. He quit. I go, what do you mean he quit? He goes, he just quit and he walked off and he's gone.

How does that not happen more often? I was going to say, I get being in your brother's shoes and being like, we're screwed now. But on the flip side, I love a rage quit. And just like, I'm done. Like, I don't want to do this anymore. I reached my limit. And I'm just leaving. I'm just at one, like right in this second, I am an employee of this company.

But I'm just going to head towards that door and now it's over. And I don't have to deal with this shit anymore. The energy he came into work with today, he got in, he checked two bags, and then he's done. He was so close to quitting priori. He just needed to see one more bag tag, and he's like, you know what? It was your brother. I'm done. He's like one more, one more 51-pound bag, and I'm fucking leaving this place, all right?

I'm getting out of here. And then the first, the second bag was 52 pounds, and he was just, see you. Okay. I'm done. One time, when I was a kid. When I was a kid, like probably fucking 20 years ago, we went to breakfast one time with the whole family. And we're sitting there. We order our breakfast.

And it's like 45 minutes go by. And we got nothing. I'm telling you, like, nothing. No drinks. No food. No updates. So eventually, I believe, like, my dad gets up and goes and, like, finally grab somebody and ask us and goes, hey, we ordered food like 45 minutes ago. What's going?

And they go, oh, your server quit. And we like, what? what do you mean like yeah they just like quit so so like we don't know what to tell we don't have anybody and we were like oh so like should we we just leave and they're like you know you kind of do whatever you guys want but we were just like so it's over like the whole experience now is just over and we sat there dude like we got we didn't get our chalk of milk we didn't get orange we got nothing like yeah your server just like they just laughed we're like oh

It's amazing. When shit hits the fan in some of these places, people are making minimum wage or whatever. I'm not saying that guy at the airport was. I don't know why he quit, but it's amazing when things are so busy and so hectic that these people that, you know they don't give a fuck about their jobs,

that they actually stick it through there because it could be full on chaos if people just start doing what this guy did. Where it's just, you know what? I'm done. Okay. What's the scene from, I think you should leave where he's like,

I'm done. Okay. He just gives up. Trey, which one is that? I know. I'm trying to think about which one that one. Oh my guy. He's like,

I'm done. They're like, you're not done. He's like, okay, no more. It's just you can't, you can't say no more.

You have to continue, you have to continue on. Dude, I'm also just picturing like, how did he leave? Like, you know how you have

that little weighted section and there's the stand there that he sits behind? I mean, if that bag comes through and he just walks over the weighted stand just clears out and just gets the first cab out of there. Like,

what was his exit path? That is just, I picture, yeah, ducking under those ropes to get like through the lines. People are like, where's he going? Where's he going? You're right, though. Yeah, you're right, though. Like, he probably went in there thinking like, all right. I got rents due in a week.

Like, I just got to, we're just got to tough it out. Put our, like, keep our head down and go. And then there was just one thing. And apparently it was your brother's bags where he was just, I'm out of here. And, you know, best of luck to that guy. I hope he, I hope he finds happiness. I hope he finds what he's looking for. It wasn't my brother's bag.

per se, but he was in line. So I'm not going to say us fat severances showed up, and that was the final straw that broke those guys back. But, you know, my brother did see it. So now, yeah, now he's just in the airport, and he might be in Florida for a couple extra days. You guys don't have a great bag history in the Lurch family tree as is with your,

I think you're still looking for your United bag that Frankie saw on the carousel and just waved at it? I did get that back about eight months later. So, yeah, that was a tricky one. and Frankie waved goodbye to it as he got to Newark. And Trent did too, so I don't know why he's laughing, but they both arrived about eight hours before I did. I put my hand on it and I was like, God bless.

I know we talked about this not long ago, but we were just together at LAX after the impossible connection. And then our world separated. Yep. Boys, I have a new golf game to introduce you guys to. A brand new golf game. So it's called Anamuel. And this is a game two weeks ago, I believe it was.

These guys, Gary and Mike, who came up with this game, flew out to Arizona and so we got to teach you this new game. Everybody's looking for a new golf game all the time. At any given moment, you're looking for a new golf game. It's called Anna Mules, okay? A-N-A-M-U-L-E-S. You download the app. I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to start by showing you guys the logo, which is awesome.

Yep. It's a mule. Look at their logo. It's a mule and two golf clubs. It's a good logo. Here's how this game works. Animated mule. And a mule.

Not Elwood. Here's how this game works. There's a bunch of, actually, different animals for different kinds of golf shots. For example, an armadillo is if the ball lands on or bounces off the cart path. Okay. And once you get an animal, animal, and a mule. You have that animal until somebody else does the same thing. Whoever has the most of these animalules, whenever the beverage cart comes by,

has to buy for everybody. That's the entire game. And it is awesome because you could be playing horribly. You could be playing terrible. You could be playing really well. It doesn't matter. If you do any one of these, I don't want to call them objectives, but if you accomplish one of these things, whether you're trying to or not,

you pick up that animal, you have the most of them. beverage cart rolls up. you got to pay and buy for the entire round and it is really fun. And I'm talking this Armadillo thing is a good example where like somebody will hit one off there'll be a little rattled and spraying off to the right hits the cart path.

Everybody goes, oh, Armadillo! And everybody starts going nuts. It's a phenomenal game, a ton of fun. Animals, obviously everybody loves animals. Animals are cool and cute. They get all these little, I'm showing you guys are they, are the objectives, quote unquote, largely positive?

or negative? Are they negative? Generally negative. So you get a rock lobster as if the ball hits a rock. Okay. A quail. If you lose your golf ball, you get a quail. So is this, so the app, so are you like, is the app just the rules or are you like plugging in what happens in your group? Like what, explain the app to me. That's a good question. So the app tracks exactly the status of everyone. So if you get one of those, you hit it. The animals go in and you're the zookeeper. So the zookeeper is a person that has the most of the animals. And this app, again, in real time, each hole you just plug in what's going on. And then it tells you who has how many. And you can just follow that in real time. And then there's a couple other ways you can play.

But whenever the beverage cart comes by, typically that person buys the round and then everything clears out and starts over again fresh. So you just got to dedicate one person as a zookeeper. and that person's keeping track of, and it's a beverage cart game. I like it. I mean, there's always this weird politics when it comes to the beverage cart.

Like, you don't know who's going to buy the next one. You always want to try and buy the first one, especially if you're the guests. And then they are saying, no, it's on me. Come on. At least this makes it, like,

let's play a little game for it. And if someone happens to have the shit luck today by hitting all these rocks and the cart pass, like it's going to be a pricey day for you, try to keep it in the fairway. trying to keep things straight. I like it. It definitely adds a different wrinkle to it.

And if someone can keep up with being the zookeeper and on their phone. I think that's the best part of the game is that somebody's a zookeeper. Yeah. If we're just having fun with terms, I think if we're going out for a round and I get to be zookeeper, I think there's some benefit in that. Dude, and it completely changes your mindset, right?

Because like you go from, you know, you're trying to make pars and birdies and you care about your number. Number means basically nothing now. You're just talking about animals the entire time. Like a ringworm is a put lips the cup halfway around but does not go in. Somebody could win the hole by five shots and have a four-footer for birdie. And it lips out hard. Everyone's like, oh, ringworm.

And you like lose an animal on that little. And then the beverage cart comes around the corner and that guy all of a sudden has to buy everything. So it's just a completely different way to look at the game. You can download the app for free, available for free again in Apple, Android app stores, download today. A little link. If you want to link, it's www. Anna Mules, A-N-A-M-U-L-E-S dot com

slash download. These guys that came up with it are like your quintessential golf boys. They're like in their 50s from Minnesota. I played with them. They've been telling the same jokes, having a great time laughing with their boys playing golf for decades.

And they came up with this game. So it's got a really cool, again, like quintessential OG origin story and it's just a lot of fun. So go download the Animal Mules app. Everybody's looking for a different way to play golf, come up with something spicy,

something unique. Animal Mules is a great way to go. Disney. We went to fucking Disney last week. God. Shout out to Jordan. Our good friend Jordan. Yeah, shout out to Jordan.

No one has ever hooked us up maybe better, more, whatever in any realm that our boy Jordan hooked us up. He's a club 33 member. I don't know if I'm even allowed to say that. You're not setting it up enough. You're not, like, you're basically just announced

that someone's an Augusta National member just in the middle of your sentence. He's a part of the most... Can words do it properly? He's a part of the most exclusive club in America. Or maybe the world. One of the most exclusive clubs in the world. Five-year waiting on who you're talking to.

Dude, I don't know, man. The most exclusive. I don't know, man. I think the most exclusive people in the world can't get this. Like, it's five-year waiting list. The numbers are not to believe on what you have to do to get. You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy.

It's another level of access. Listen, we were going to fucking Orlando, and anyone knows me. I love entertainment. I love the shows. I love the big lights, the bright lights. That's just me, man. I love the pageantry. I love to be entertained.

I cried at Jimmy Fallon. it happened, you know, the curtains open, the roots played, the lights went down. And there's just something about that feeling. I get the goosebumps and I love it. And it's history, it's memories, whatever you want to call it, it's Disney, man. And we were going to Orlando for this tournament and I said, if we don't bake in a Disney trip, I'm going to do something bad. Like I can't look at the map and say I'm 12 minutes away from the Magic Kingdom for my hotel.

And I cannot, I can't not enter that bill. So we figured it out that, you know, our good close personal friend Jordan, who we met at the golf course, he came down and talked to us and we ended up loving the guy. He's like, hey, I have these passes and he was, who's a Disney guy? And he looked at me and he brought me over, like, under a tree and talked to me, like, personally. He's like, I want to let you know I have these Club 33 member, this membership. And I'm going to give you guys a couple tickets here. and we're going to have ourselves a day tomorrow.

And I said, I don't really know what that means. I'm going to go back to my room and I'm going to look it up and I can't wait to see the access that we get. But, dude, we ended up having a long day at the golf course. So we had like, I think, who did we end up interviewing? We ended up interviewing Lee Bryce and went a little bit longer and Keira Dixon. And Keir Dixon, yep. So, like, it kind of just went on for longer than we expected. And we ended up leaving the golf course around like 2.30, getting to the Disney area around

3.30. So we have from 330 to 9 to do as much Disney stuff as we want. And we don't know what kind of access we're going to get with this Club 33 membership. We showed up at Hollywood Studios, previously MGM. And I fucking love Disney guys. You've heard me say that everything is Disney like. Pioneers is Disney like. Whenever there's really good service, whether it'd be at a restaurant or store or whatever I say, wow, this feels like Disney. It's your reference point to whenever we have a good time. If you're like, if you're having a really good time, you'll just say, this feels like Disney. And you guys never really grasped what I meant because you both had never been to Disney. You've never entered those, those gates. And you didn't know the perfect, just like the symmetry

of the streets and like the, the feeling that you get, the music, the charm, the everything about it, the magic. So we started off at Hollywood Studios and, and Jordan's waiting for us at these gates, man. And we had like, bro, we, we go to drive in and where you're supposed to pay for parking, they go, yeah, it's going to be like $40, whatever. And I said, we're Club 33. And the guy looked to his partner and said, oh. And they said, you go right on ahead and you stay right and go on that personal path to the parking lot. And we said, okay, it's like, now this word here, Club 33 holds some weight, fellas.

Like we didn't know, we didn't know specifically what it meant, but when I saw that guy look over his shoulder and go, oh, I knew we were in for a day. Jordan's waiting for us at the front gate. We parked in front of the front gate of Hollywood Studios. He's waiting for us at the front gate and he goes, he gives us these little wristbands that have Walt Disney on him. And he goes, welcome to the happiest place on earth. And we walked in and we went straight to Toy Storyland and did the, and did the toy story ride. And it was Trent.

It was Trent and Riggs's first experience of, Disney. We didn't wait for a second with these fast passes and then we went to Star Wars and it was, I mean, your guys can tell your experience. It was one of the crazy, we entered a movie in Star Wars and Hollywood Studios. Never seen anything like it in my entire life. We loved it. Let me say this. I didn't know much about Disney. I thought every time that you would make the Disney reference, it was just like a little bit, it felt a little bit like lazy, just calls everything like Disney. I didn't understand the encompassing reasons that you kept saying that is because of the perfection and because of the overall magical experience that they curate, I didn't know that. I was thinking

roller coasters, a couple rides, it's going to be great. You have to immerse yourself in not just the park and the story. Like, you're part of the story when you are there. When you go into Toy Storyland, like you get into Toy Story Mode. When we went into, Star Wars world and we're walking around and there's a Star Wars marketplace and a bar and then we went on the Millennium Falcon. Jordan was so mad at Trent that he wouldn't put us

into light speed fast enough. He was so immersed. He loved it more than Frankie he was giddy being like put it at lights speed, put it at light speed and you're like dude we're in Star Wars right now like Trent is Chubaka we got Frankie's on solo I'm back I need to shoot these guys otherwise they're going to knock us out of the sky

and then our pilots that are going to matter what they do because I'm back here. Me and fucking eBug need to be shooting people. Like you're just immersed in the entire thing, which again, I wasn't fully prepared for. I thought maybe you'd ride a roller coaster, throw your hands in the air, get a picture and leave. I was obsessed with the entire storyline and the fact that you become a part of Disney when you're there. Yeah.

For me, I'm in the same boat as Riggs for the most part. Like I had no nostalgia really attached to it because we didn't go there as a kid. Like that wasn't one of the family trips. I know going to Disney World is a big deal. We saw a ton of kids while we were there. It's a kid place. And that just wasn't one of the destinations as a family where we would go. So I didn't really know what to expect.

I thought it'd be a couple rides. I thought it'd be a lot of fun. I thought we'd eat some junk food, which we did. And then that'd be kind of it. But Riggs is right. It's the commitment. Everyone has to commit. And it's the employees.

It's the people who go there. Everyone commits. And if you do that, you have one of the best experiences of your life. Like when we went to the Star Wars Land, which was honestly just incredible. Like they really built out that world like you're actually in the Star Wars world. You walk from whatever part of the park we were in, whatever part of the Toy Story is in, to the Star Wars land.

And you're just, you're in the movie Star Wars. And you, the people who are running the rides are in full commitment. They're not like yucking it up and talking about things outside of the Star Wars world. If they're in the Star Wars world, they are playing their Star Wars part. And it's that throughout the entire Disney world. I mean, we only saw what pretty. percentage of the park do you think we saw frankie yeah so we had from 330 to 9 and we wanted to see the magic kingdom so we spent probably two hours at hollywood studios we saw some of the club 33 access which is insane that took up some time which was amazing something i never thought i'd be able to see so shout out to jordan but and just the workers there insane amazing um so we probably spent like two hours ad jordan the worker in there that guy oh my god more about the tour guy history oh yeah he was great Disney just does it different, man, and they just know how to, they hold themselves to a higher standard.

They really do. Like, for me, growing up, we used to go to this thing called Hog Wildeys. And I know that's a very Iowa thing. But it was like a, it was like, they would build rides in the middle of a field. And you would go and you would ride those rides that probably weren't like approved or checked within the last decade or so. I think Dwight, does Dwight, Dwight true do this? It's called like the, the hay thing. the person running the ride was like probably a little drunk and like tattooed and was just kind of like whatever like get on the ride.

So that was my experience really with with a theme park. And then you go to a place like Disney and you're like, oh, that's what this is supposed to be. Yeah, we probably experienced like 25% of those two parks. There's so much that we didn't experience like the little mini restaurants and the places to eat and the characters that come out. I mean like you go and get breakfast and Winnie the Pooh and Tigger come. them out and all these things and you're just like, what is happening? It feels so childish and ridiculous because it is, but it also makes you feel so different than you've ever felt before.

I mean, it sounds like a loser to say that, but like you feel like you're in a movie. You feel like you're a part of this play or something. Something's happening. Like you said, people are committing to something and you're just a part of it. And then you commit to it and you're just like, what's happening? Everything's beautiful. The hotels are amazing. The restaurants look insane.

And just, I mean, I showed you guys, we're walking around. It's the busiest place on earth. there's a billion people walking around and there's not one piece of paper on the ground. Like all these disgusting Americans, all these fat people and just like disgusting humans and we're all just like throwing ice cream on the ground

and like popcorn shoving out of our mouths. And you look at the ground and it's sparkling. Actually sparkling. Like someone's walking around with glitter and just like it's just fucking insane. What's happening? Like where's the garbage going? Is it being sucked into the concrete? Where is it going?

because you know it's there. Every other place on earth is disgusting. It's immaculate. And I put up a picture from Disney. It's one of my better pictures. You took over the internet. You took over the internet. Yeah, I wish, you know,

I wish my brethren were in it with me for whatever reason. They didn't join me in the picture. It's just me with Mickey Mouse ears on. But I had a couple people say like, oh, are you a Disney adult, like condescendingly, like saying that's a place where children,

adults shouldn't go there. And people like that are missing out on so much in their lives where they take themselves so seriously and everything is nine to five. I sit at a desk and then I go home and I drink a glass of whiskey and I fall asleep on the like you, if you can't go to a place like that and just embrace everything and really get ruin some people's souls right there. You just get everything out of. That's what they do all the time and that you just, you just spoke.

I'm sorry. Some of those people can be a kid. I think Trent's getting at like if you can't have a little like child in you. No. Right. You can be able to do it just. Like, you can be that person. You can definitely be that person.

Those people are very, they're essential in some areas of the world. But like also, if you go into a situation like Disney and you are, you poo-poo it or whatever, if you can't just throw yourself into it, then you're, then I got nothing for you. And I really enjoyed the fact that you guys immersed yourself in it. You took it. Like, I was really happy with your guys experience. I was judging you the entire test. Oh, yeah. I was judging you the entire time.

It's like me. Me at the Islanders game. Oh, yeah. I find out afterwards that Frankie's making a report card of how, while I'm paying attention to the game. I was really, we knew we were on the stand. We knew we were on the stand.

Oh, yeah. And you guys were far in a way better than I ever thought. I mean, you guys liked the little kitty rides more than you like the bigger rides, right? Like the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, you fucking, you guys loved the stuff that I loved, the smell of it. And just when we went through the first part of the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, which is,

oldest rides at Disney. You guys were like, oh my God, look at this. You're in another world. I love this movie. And even though like it's animatronic guys like fighting, you guys love that. It wasn't, you know what I mean? It was like the coolest part to see the thing. You guys fell in love with the stuff that I fell in love with all the little stuff. Um, so yeah, I love this. Pirates and Caribbean rides been like that for like 40 years, dude. I, I mean, and it's hard for it was hard for a period. It was the ride before was the movie. So it's like, that's hard. That's, that's what Frankie broke that news to me. It's hard to ram my head around. Yeah. they based the movie off the ride.

So really, really cool stuff. And yeah, Disney. We got a full vlog coming out Thursday. Yeah, we do. Oh my God. That's coming out on Thursday? The experience. So Jake Bass just updated me via text, us, I guess.

But we got Bannon Dunes, episode four, which is, or no, episode five. It's the final episode. Last step. Episode five, Bandon Dunes. So it's Bannon Dunes, the OG, uh, tonight. So people, we're listening on Tuesday. YouTube,

4 Play Golf. And then Thursday, we have the vlog from Disney coming out. Wow, what a YouTube week. Holy shit. So one of the best courses on the planet, maybe one of the best public courses you can possibly play,

literally on this Blue Earth. And then the happiest, most magical place on Earth on Thursday. Just a lot of big things happening this week on the 4Play YouTube page that we're going to have to go subscribe, rate five stars, whatever you got to do on YouTube.

You got to make sure that you have your reminder set for this week on our YouTube page. Disney World is the happiest place on Earth, and you will see that via the vlog, us having a good time. I will say there's going to be a stretch during Space Mountain where it will seem like I am not having the best time in the world because I was afraid.

Dude, I'm old now, and I get dizzy easily. And I'm not turning into one of those guys who I explained earlier, but there is a part of me that's like, the Pirates of the Caribbean right is perfect, because it's just like you're just going through the water and there's things happening around you. There's not a lot of fast movements or my head's not getting jerked around. Space Mountain was the last ride that we rode.

And I think Frankie did that on purpose because he was like, all right, it's going to be the last ride of the day. Let's just let's do this. It's going to be a lot of fun. And we went up to the ride to wait in line. And you can see the, I don't even know what you call those, the where you sit that wherever you, where you're going to strap yourself in. It looked like a rocket. And it was built for speed. It was aerodynamic.

Those things are built for speed, man. They were. Because the other ones that we rode, we wrote some other like four out of ten roller coasters. I heard one of the guys described to someone who was asking. It was a four out of ten. And those ones, you strap in, the rides where you sit is a little clunkier and you know that you're not in for, you know, a space ride. Space Mountain was the opposite of that. So during that ride, I think I yelled some bad words.

Are you going to see me? No. Dude, it was literally like you're one of those. built for speed. When your when your feet are dangling, you know that you're about to go faster than you want to do. This was like feet like in the like extended. So like you're almost in a Formula One car. Yeah, you had to be as low and as aerodynamic and as strapped in as you could be. So that one was scary. And credit to Riggs because we we sort of before we got on, it was there was a discussion of where is everyone going to sit. And Riggs volunteered to go into the front. I'm pretty sure that was a

heroin experience for him. But I was third. in line and I was still scared. I was fun because you can see the track get eaten up, which is like exciting. No, you couldn't see anything. It's pitch black. It's pitch black in there. Dude, it looks like you're in space.

I will say that was 15% of me thought like this is it. Dude, because it's an older ride. You can see anything. We're going to be super fast. You think you're going to get your head chopped off. Exactly. Exactly.

I was like, dude, if I just get to capitated here, will anybody even know? Yeah. Like the, Well, we'll know because we'll be covered in. Yeah. What are I covered in?

Well, this bullet that we're in is going to return to like the loading station and like, Riggs's head is just not going to be there. Like, they're not going to know where. It was terrifying. That thing was fucking terrifying. I will say on those old school rides where,

you know, it's old and you're like, man, I hope these screws are holding on. You kind of have that little like shimmy shake where it's kind of like catches itself and it's not perfectly clean in terms of how. Space Mountain did that a couple times. Okay, yeah, that throws me off a little bit.

And if it's pitch black, I don't know if I like being front because, like, T, you would know that it's going to, we're going to turn left just based on, you know, like, rage and whatnot, like a little bit. You'd have a sense of it where Riggs has no idea. Sort of. Yeah. I don't know. Like, you're saying, when you're going to bank left hard, your body does things naturally to prepare for that. Yes. I just had, like, I would even mentally think like, oh, we might go left here.

And then we would just rip right as hard as you possibly could. I couldn't see anything. Dude, I was in a house of horrors up there. But again, I was the lead pony. And I knew that you guys thought that was pretty brave. So I was trying to put on a brave face. It was a scary. It was a scary experience.

I will say, Lurch, it is, there is a bit of comfort because you know you're not at Hogg Wild days where you know that these machines are checked like crazy. Like there's always that fear. Even if you go to like a six flags or wherever we're. you're like, I'm not so sure about these bolts on this contraption here. But Disney, I mean, how long has that place been open? You don't hear a peep about, oh, this malfunction here or some kid went flying into the parking lot here, like none of that stuff.

So I felt comfortable in that respect, but still very scared about the bullet train that we were on. Yeah, it was fun, man. It was really fun to see you guys experience it. So watch it on Thursday night. I mean, I think for our viewers and listeners, if you have ever wanted to, wanted to see me in in the most positive state you'll ever see me in. It's that video. I mean, I'm unconditionally happy and unapologetically happy in that video.

And I can't wait to go back. We got to go back to Universal. We have to see more of Disney. So if we ever do a travel series there, we got to do the other parks. You guys have to see the Animal Kingdom. We got to go to Epcot and do the beers around the world. That would be a fun day. We got to do more of Magic Kingdom.

And then we have to go to Universal and go to Harwich. Potter world. That's just an absolute must do. So we haven't seen the last of Orlando. I won't let that happen. We've gotten a little taste and we need to, um, we need to finish. We got to finish that, uh, that craving. I'm jealous that I

kind of, I like Orlando. I kind of like Orlando. It's a weird place. It's a weird weird place, but I like it. Also had, yeah, it's just, I mean, you guys, you guys fell in love with everything. You guys are taking videos of the tram that goes in and that's like one of Walt Disney's greatest inventions like having the tram go through the original

Mickey Mouse on it. It was like a Mickey Mouse Tram came. Yeah and it's it's quiet and it's futuristic and they made it in the fucking 60s in California and the original one. So everything about this fucking place is just amazing and I love that you guys loved every part of it. Lurch we missed you. It's you would have been a nice

because you're you're you like to get into the uh into the bright lights. You like the theatrics. I've got a young child in me too. I like all that stuff. I don't know if it would have fit in some of the rides but that's what i was thinking it was like my head got goofy too i've been a good addition i don't know if i want to say i i don't want to say that our future experiences are going to be a bit tainted because i think we'll always be getting the lightning pass no matter what because if you don't i i know it's

like if you don't get the lightning pass it's it's a tough go because we we waited in line the most we ever waited was like three minutes and there's if you don't have the lighting pass people are waiting for an hour hour 20 was 95 minutes and we walked in and just got on the ride. 95 minutes? Yeah, it's sad. And I did that. When I went,

when I went to Disney last before these, that's what people do. Yeah. Yeah. My then girlfriend and I said, we're, we're just here on this ride and then we're going home. We have nine,

we have a one shot deal. It's a hour and a half. Two hours and we are on this one ride. And if we don't like it, it is like, right. So we're, I mean,

we're very lucky in that respect where we get these, awesome passes and we can just fly right to it. And there's, like you're saying, people waiting there for an hour and a half. And you would said, Frankie, that they'll hand out games to the people in line to, like, pass the time it's madness. So, so, like, if we, I mean, we just have to get the lighting passes every time we go. Amazing. You guys do not believe what this son is doing to me.

I see you get dominated. I mean, you're ducked behind the mic. You're like, yeah. I thought you were reading something. I was like, man, he's really into whatever he's reading. Trying to get away from that big ball of gas. that's killing you right now. I actually don't know how far.

What, look at this. What am I going to do here? G4. I'm going to talk about G4. That's what I'm going to talk about. So these videos that we just mentioned, especially the band of dunes on, you can look at our feet,

and our feet are rocking all kinds of different G4s throughout the entire band and trip, because, I mean, they make the best golf shoes. That's just, I don't really know any other way to explain it. They make really comfortable golf shoes. They make stylish, classy golf shoes. They make cool, the MG4s, the cool, like you're walking on a fucking cloud type of golf shoes that have,

I don't even know what it is. I don't know if it's the souls, the bottom, but they did it like that layered, cushy but stable technology that they came up with a G4 that the MG4s are famous for. That I don't know that you could physically argue any other shoe on Earth. Not even golf shoe. Any shoe on earth is more comfortable than that shoe? Do you think there's a single shoe more comfortable than that? No, I just got my dad those shoes for his birthday.

Oh. He'd never experienced. Excuse me, guys. You're okay? Yeah, I'm just choking on something. I don't know what it is. We stopped talking about Disney and Frank. He's just dead now.

He doesn't care. He's never experienced like good golf shoes before. I mean, people have roasted him before on my Instagram stories for his shoes saying, what are those? and he had those black shoes where you kind of like click the back of them and you don't have to tie them. And he always just had the weirdest golf shoes ever. And I finally just got him a pair of proper golf shoes from G4. Got him the MG4s.

And he put him on yesterday. And he comes over to me, he goes, can I just have this insert in every shoe I've ever worn ever? Like at the restaurant, every, like I want this. I want to wear these forever because it is a different type of feeling. And it's not just us trying to sell the shoe. Like you have to go try it out. Go to any store that sells G4 or whatever. Put your foot in that shoe and you're going to understand what we're saying.

It's different. It's, it's, it's, you've never felt a soul like that ever. G4.com slash 4. You get your first, uh, order 10% off. You're welcome. G4.com slash 4. Um, the galavantters, I think, are the best all-round shoe ever created. I'm going to wear those today at the Rossi.

Um, and they've got many different styles. They got, uh, camo styles. They've got some of the more classic with like the brown trim And they're just phenomenal You could wear them in any set If you went and played Augusta you would like rock the gallivanders They're just made for that kind of look They're super comfortable you can walk in them

Cart in them no problem And then again if you want to get in terms of the more sporty And unbelievably comfortable ones The MG4s they got the MG4 X Tuesday They got all kinds of good shoes So g4.com slash four You get 10% off I feel bad speaking about dad getting roasted.

My dad's still mad at me, I think, from like two years ago. I took a picture of him playing golf. And, you know, my dad's an outdoorsman, a fisherman, a hunter, a bit of a farmer. He had like black cargo pants on. And the top comment was, that looks like a man that owns a lot of duct tape. And I showed it to my dad. And he just goes, I do own a lot of duct tape. Yeah.

Then it's fair. Then he's wearing the right clothes because it's on breath. So perfect. Like, I know the internet looked at it as like a dish and I showed him that. And he's like, yeah, fuck yeah. He was like, he was like pumped about that. He's like, you know how many situations you find yourself in where you can use duct tape? There's so many.

I made a touch like, man. There's like, he's like, you know, I actually need to get some more duct tape. I think that is. It reminds me. I got to get more. Yeah. Should have some of my dog. Uh, we got Hudson Swafford, one.

The American Express. Not the most electric name of all time or player to watch, but he's a Peter Malar guy. So we just did a little G4 thing. He looked great, extremely classy. But if you're just a general sports fan with the name and sort of the demeanor, I don't know that you would call him the needle if you really, if you were really. You know a little played well. Needle played well this tournament, by the way.

I know people, a lot of people are wondering, people are feeling like, wow, I wonder how we play. He played pretty well. He played pretty well. He didn't win. He's no Hudson Swofford, but he played well. And then probably my favorite part of the entire weekend was John Rom with a video yesterday that came out where he's walking by. And he just, we'll put the audio in. But he just said, piece of shit fucking set up putting contest week.

Piece of shit fucking set up putting contest week. Candid, what you want, what we're looking for. That's why we want guys miced up all the time. I understand. They probably don't love it. They get a little bit, they're vulnerable, they're exposed. This is what you want to see here. If this was captured in a three-second clip,

imagine the kind of shit. Imagine the kind of shit that is just set out there all week long among these guys. Phenomenal clip from John Robb. Yeah, really good. And then also, whoever caught it, their buddy was standing right next to him. I was like, did you just get that? Did you just get that? And it was just, yeah, it was a really good clip.

Yeah, it's almost, you bring up an interesting point rigs. Like, if you mic these guys up, they wouldn't say these things. They might, but they would largely probably avoid it. It's almost like, and it's not the way you want to do it. And it would not be a happy, candid relationship with the player. But if you just sort of like, you basically have to catch them in a moment where they, they don't want to be miced up where you get the best stuff. So it's hard to like balance that because John Rom would.

Rom is different though. Rom, I think even if you throw a mic on Rom, he forgets immediately. And it's just John Rom the entire. around but there are guys who would put the mic on and they would know and they'd be like all right let's just be let's not say anything crazy so it's tough like yeah i would love to mic everybody up but i also think that deters guys from saying anything so it's kind of a tough song and dance yeah i think they're all protecting their brand and then like i'm just thinking about rom if you did have a miced up and he was focused on that he's like i can't say a word i can't say a word as soon as

that mic comes off i mean he would just have a case that's rats he would just have a thousand curse words that would come out just to unpack it all because you know that just boils inside of him and he has to get that out. I'm sure he might play worse if he was mic'd up, honestly, because he couldn't let that tension out. It was a great clip though. He was fucking bad. Torrey Pines this weekend, we're going to be there.

We're actually going up to the kingdom on Friday and then we're probably going to be at the tournament Saturday in San Diego. So excited, big week. This always was, again, when Tiger Woods would play a full schedule. This is when Tiger would usually start his year. He won at Torrey Pines like 8,000 times. So I always start to feel like the real PGA tour begins when Torrey Pines starts,

when the Farmers Insurance starts. So big week for that. And then I just have to mention the Bill's Chiefs game last night. It was awesome. Crazy game. I was going to say, like we're talking about Hudson Swoffer and I get that this is a golf podcast for sure. There's no doubt about it.

It's a big part of what we do. It's true, true. But also, we're about to have a hockey, the greatest weekend. For 45 minutes and talk. Where I will say, we only had three mics, despite being a podcast during that Jeremy Ronick interview. And I, I just handed the mic to the three hockey guys.

And I just sat there and looked at him for the first 45 minutes of the interview until I grabbed the mic and said something. Because I, Jeremy Ronick is a guy that I know through his media appearances. Like, that's how I know who he is. I remember he used to go, on the Dan Patrick show all the time, and they would punch him in the face. That's how I know Jeremy Roanick. And then he's obviously, to you guys, he's a much bigger deal.

So I sort of sat that interview out. But what I'm saying is that we just had the greatest weekend of NFL playoff football that we've ever seen. And it was truly, truly unbelievable. I know we don't say that on this show. But there's no other way to describe what we witnessed this weekend. And especially last night was just not to be believed. Yeah. It was, it's not recency bias either.

I saw a lot of people on Twitter trying to say if it's recency bias, if it's not. It's just flat out. I don't know how you can have better games. It's just flat out the best, the best playoff weekend you can possibly have. Every single game ended on a buzzer beater if you think about it. Just the best. Three of the games finished with a game winning field goal. And then the fourth game finished with maybe the best game ever played touchdown in overtime.

I know a lot of people have takes. Lurch was doing his lurch things on Twitter, talking about the overtime. And, yeah, I mean, I just called himself Josh Allen. I mean, that was. Yeah, I am Josh Allen. Well, everybody was just like Josh Allen. I was like, if I'm going to be a quarterback, I'll be Josh Allen. In what way?

I thought that was pretty funny. I mean, in no way possible. I'm sitting there sore as hell from playing a game called paddle tennis. I can't move. Obviously, that's not connected through the tweet, but like, in no way. my Josh Allen. So I just, I don't know, in my own head, it was funny. And maybe it didn't land as in others' minds as well as it did in mine.

But I thought it would be, I thought it was funny. So, no, but I think the games were absolutely incredible. The only thing that I think the, it just said, if I was a QB, I would be Josh Allen. And you, so. And Lurch knows that it's not going to hit because he even said he's like, I'm sore from paddle tennis, but people don't know that that's not going to connect. So people just think that you're calling yourself Josh Allen. they're like, why?

Correct. Correct. Well, it's like, you know, just a fantasy world. Obviously, I'm not Josh Allen in no way, shape, or form. But if, hey, if I was going to become a quarterback, I'd like, maybe I should add, added the word light to be in there. But I think taking it away is better. I'd be Josh Allen. The way you framed it was like, hey, obviously, if I was a QB, the best person you could

compare me to would be Josh Allen. Right. And that's good. That's a good takeaway. He's so good. So good. It's hard for me to wrap my brain around. And Mahomes is obviously like just as good probably.

You know, their neck and neck for the best quarterbacks in the league. I was going to say he's so good. I think Mahomes might be better. He probably, he might be. He's certainly more experienced. And I mean,

he's got a ring. Like, I get that. It's hard. You're arguing about the best of the best. But it just feels like if Josh Allen wanted to, he could throw a football 300 yards on a string. Yeah.

He just has a cannon. And I agree. Mahomes is just as good. That's what made that game so great. He's also a truck. The way Alan just like, they're just a Zion run plays, but then he's wildly athletic. Like that guy was making plays at the end that he had no business making. It was incredible.

But then you'll watch Mahomes too. Mahomes will be dropped back in the pocket and he'll have somebody coming from his blind side and he'll step forward, see it at the last second and step back and the defender will fly right by him. That is. He's so shifty. It's impossible to comprehend the way he does things like that. What's crazy to me is we met Josh Allen at the same time that we met Sam Darnold. We did pizza reviews with them prior to the draft.

So, you know, Josh Allen, there was all this huge campaign. Josh Allen is tall on part of my take. And there was always this draft Josh Allen. Draft Josh Allen.com they had. And there was all this talk about this guy's going to be the real deal. And it was almost like a joke that because he's tall and because he has big hands and because he throws the ball really far, he's going to be an amazing draft pick. Whenever part of my take takes that up.

You don't know if it's sarcastic or if it's real. And we met him during the pizza review. And I remember texting my buddies. And my buddies reminded me of this in our group chat last night. I was, like five years ago, whatever it was, whenever he got drafted four years ago, that you guys, that Frankie texted us and said, I hope the Jets don't draft this guy because he has like rocks for a brain. He was just a, he was like, he came with his parents and his girlfriend to the pizza review. And he was so nice. And I'm like, how is this guy going to be an NFL quarterback?

It's almost the same when you look at Zach Wilson. Like, how is that guy going to go out there and lead a team, which he evidently did not? But there was just something about, I guess just he was so young and he wasn't drafted yet. And I was like, is this guy having? I mean, he's from Wyoming, right? He played in Wyoming. So it's like, you know, hometown boy. And it was just like, hi, Mr. Portnoy and Mr. Borrelli.

Like, thank you. Like, I was just like, is this guy dumb? Like, you know, I didn't know. And being able to watch him and how much he's fucking taken over this league, he is a, he's he is a killer now. The look he has on the sidelines and the way he screams. He's fucking psychotic. And he's like another huge.

He's like a, he's like a robot, like a, like a raged robot. Like he, he's not, he's not who he used to be. He's like he's this man now.

It's fucking crazy. Well, and Dave made a video last night and he was right. Like as excruciating as that loss was. And it doesn't get, you can't get your heart ripped out more than that. Like that type of game over time. Josh Allen doesn't even get.

to touch the ball in overtime because of the NFL. That was my biggest problem. Yeah, no, people can go back and forth on that. But like 13 seconds, dude, they just needed to like, they just needed to not let them get 40 yards in 13 seconds. Right. Right. So my quick point, all right, you go to you and then. Well, I'm just going to say, but as bad as last night hurts and it doesn't get much

worse, you can lean on and fall back on and think, we have Josh Allen for the next 15 years. And that is, you are going to be. successful at some point as long as you just you don't fuck it up. And I don't think a guy like Josh Allen can really fuck it up. He's that good. So generational talent. Absolutely. Both those guys.

And so last night, as much as it hurts, you got such a bright future. And Dave also said, you're not the New York Jets, which they're not. Like you are just, everything is so much brighter than that. Like take solace on that despite waking up this morning and being like, man, I can't believe we lost that game like that. You got Josh Allen. It's going to be great. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like the NFC quarterbacks used to be awesome. Like, that was a gauntlet to go through in the last, I don't know, from last year for the last 10 years, honestly. But now the AFC quarterbacks are just outrageous. Like, that is going to be so brutal to get out of the AFC. No, but my point on the, like, the NFL has made the league a quarterback league. Like, it's pass heavy. It rewards quarterbacks. And just the O.T, like, not to allow those.

quarterbacks to go back to back because NFL is an entertainment business and I just think that that that just needs to be changed. I mean, everybody would have been on the edge of their seat talking NFL for another, I don't know, could have been hours, could have been until now until one defense had to stop those guys. And I understand 13 seconds, you know, you could have stopped them there, but. Squibb it maybe. Right, or something, right? Like there's maybe, you know, you can play other ways to win the game. However, the way the league is, with regards to, like,

what they're trying to make it, I think that you can't take that out of the quarterback's hands in overtime. Like, that should just keep going in my life. Look, I agree with you. Obviously, I think everybody wanted to see, like, more just QB versus QB stuff last day. I had a bunch of money on the bills responsibly.

So, like, I couldn't agree with you more. But I would also argue those have been the rules. people know that the teams know that and if you can't stop them from scoring a touchdown then by stats you're going to lose like you have to at any point right if they could just if they get the ball and that means they're automatically going to score a touchdown you will lose the game like you can't you have to be able to stop them on and also and so I understand that like in overtime it sucked sucked at the bills that obviously Josh Allen everybody wanted to see QB versus QB it's really stupid but like if your team

if you're instantly like, oh, it was a coin flip, and we knew they were just going to score a touchdown. Well, then you can't win a football game if they're going to score touchdown every time. And also people were bringing up the fact that a few years ago when it was patched chiefs, the same thing happened to the chiefs. And they lobbied for the rules to change and they got voted down.

So it's like, you know, they wanted it changed as well when it happened to them. And it just didn't happen. And KFC made a great point. It's the Players Association saying that like injuries and like, you know, the percentage of how long the game goes, you're more apt to get injured. KSC made a great point that if the bills had just won the coin toss and went down and scored a touchdown,

majority of the takeaway would be that was the best game of all time, amazing win. Josh Allen's amazing. We would not be talking about the overtime rules just because the bills are a super likable, amazing franchise with a really fun fan base and like the unlikable team just happened to win and the really likable quarterback sitting on the bench, like the shots of him sitting there, not touching the ball and being like kind of just stunned standing there. Like that kind of added to us being like, well, how does that guy not play? Meanwhile, if it was Mahomes, he just would have walked off the field and the game would have been over and that's it.

All of this, all of what we're talking about just comes to one point. And it's that football is king. And Max Homa tweeted about this. He was like, how are we as the game of golf supposed to compete with anything like this? Like how is any other sport supposed to compete with this type of entertainment? Because when football is good, when NFL football is good, there's just, nothing better. There really is nothing better. Last night was so much fun. It's the suspense. Just the format of the game creates such suspenseful and intense moments. And I remember there's

actually a clip in the show, The West Wing. And it was, I can't remember who the actor was, but it's like the vice president at the time. And they're talking about going to the Washington Capitol's hockey game. And he's asking whoever he's with, it's an aide or something. And he's like, oh, are you into hockey? And they're like, oh, you know, I kind of like this. And he goes, you know, I want to like hockey, but I just can't get that into it because it just feels so chaotic. He's like, they're talking like, oh, yeah, this guy's from Nova Scotia. Oh, they score. And it's, and football doesn't have that.

Football is like, it builds up to it. It's like you build up to a huge second down, then a bigger third down, and then a fourth down. Like, think about how many times last night, Josh Allen and the bill is like converted on fourth down. In those moments, you have 30, 40 seconds to build up. It's like Frankie with the Islander's clip, wherever the whole Borelli's, went silent for two seconds on that breakway and then they scored like that suspense in football just because the format of the game like delivers again and again and again and again and you just get to prepare for something that's going to be really important and it's fucking awesome and

homas right like you can't compete with that like football is fucking king in this country yeah the only thing it compares is tiger woods coming down like the 18th and every swing he makes like He has to make a birdie and every swing he makes is basically a fourth and ten in football, where you're just like this guy has to hit the fairway, has to hit the green, and has to make the putt. That's the only thing that could ever compare. But shout out to Andy Reid, too, for somehow having three timeouts with 13 seconds left in the biggest game of the season. I just don't know how it's possible. Dude, when I looked at the graphic and they just had three of the little lights next to it,

I was like, for a guy that got killed his whole career for time management. and like that was one of the biggest knocks on him. His whole time as a coach is like he just doesn't know how to do any clock management at all. The fact that he saved all three timeouts for a 13 second fucking drive is psychotic. How about that quote he gave after the game? Do you see that? Oh, yeah, I did. What he's talking?

He's talking about like, what do you do when things look grim? And he said, when it's grim, be the grim reaper. Woo! It's good. Sheesh. When things are grim, be the grim reaper. It's really fun. The two minute drill, like the two minute drill is out, right?

Like, they can just score touchdowns now in 13 seconds or kick field goals in 13. Two minutes is. Are you kidding me with how long two minutes is? I just didn't understand the bills. There was 17 points in what, the last minute and a half or something. 25. Two minute drills out. That is out.

It's like a minute and 45 seconds. Well, that goes to my point. Riggs of like, O.T. Just you have to give the other quarterback at. Like, if they're scoring that, it was a track meet. Tyreek Hill is the fastest human being I've ever seen. On the planet. On the planet.

They shot on the planet. They just shot, like, I didn't know you could shoot somebody of a cannon to down the field. Like, that's not allowed. When you were watching him run by guys on an NFL field, he is running by the fastest, most talented people in the world. Right. That what to kill him.

They gave a peace sign to him. Like, see you later. And they'll know it too. You're looking at 10. Yeah, you're looking at that guy. and you're like, there's no way. I'm just stop running. I mean, he's so fast and he's so agile.

It's not to be believed that that's inside of a human body. I mean, it's preposterous the way he moves. It was, yeah, that game was honestly, probably the best football game. Maybe, like, I'm a Giants guy, so the Super Bowl's room. But that was just, that was incredible, absolutely incredible games. I'll say, too, shout to the Barstville sports book, like my buddies and I. That was the only game all weekend where we, were on different sides of it and I just all day I was like I was like I was like just don't know how good

the bills are and they're like too we're hard on the chiefs so you have to go bill so it was the only game we had two of us on the chiefs two of us on the bills and the last 10 minutes of that like actually a minute and a half of the actual game but like 10 15 minutes of us watching time was the most fun electric back and forth like two guys would be depressed and they're like and like those two guys with a minute and a half left, still had two touchdowns to look forward to in the game. And we're going nuts and chirping. Like, it made that game for us,

the most memorable watching experience because we were just on two different sides. You have a little skin in the game. It was awesome. It was just awesome. It was so much fun to watch. And I was on the losing side of it. It's the divisional round.

Divisional round. I mean, the crazy thing is about the AFC, though, like, those teams aren't going anywhere for the next 10, 12 years. I mean, it's crazy. Mahomes. Alan's 25. Mahomes is 26.

Get out of you. One of my buddies texting me like we could have had Alan. I guess maybe it was the year we drafted Sequin Barclay. I mean, toss up between them and their Jets for just the worst franchise. And that hurts looking back, obviously. Yeah. My friend texted us and goes,

we all just watch that game. Now imagine the Jets and the Giants playing that game. Oh, no, no, no, no. Just imagine those wide receivers trying to make those plays, our quarterbacks, like Jones and Zach Wilson trying to maneuver their way, even those defenses rushing the quarterback like that. And just we have no talent in New York at all. We have like Galloway is the best wide receiver for the Jets.

Like, how is that even possible? We don't have anyone like a Derek Hill. Yeah, you could put that whole Chiefs team in a Jets uniform and that whole Bill's team in a Giants uniform. and the game would just be substantially worse. For whatever reason, they're just horrible of football, but no, if they were,

if that was Jets Giants football, it's like 7-3 finish and nobody wants to watch. But that's why that goes more to your point where you say like, all right, the end of that game had 25 points, how do they not have a better overtime? Like most games in reality aren't like that.

So usually scoring a touchdown in one drive is a massive overhaul and like an amazing, an amazing accomplishment. In that game, it was kind of just like sneezed at because touchdowns were coming at every second. So it's hard to... Yeah, but that's the pinnacle.

That's the playoffs. And in order to be in the playoffs, you have to have a great quarterback. I mean, we're looking at Stafford, Brady, you know, Mahomes. And it's just like, right, it's just every... So in that level, like those... It's such a quarterback-driven league

that they do get more touchdowns than, you know, what we're looking at. Daniel Jones and Zach Wilson, they might have had 15 touchdown passes all year. They're horrible at the position. And the team is horrible. So, like, if you're going to get to that playoff atmosphere, sure, in the regular season, just wrap it up.

And, like, overtime, someone when it's a touchdown done. But in the playoffs, like, I just think you have to, if you're going to pay these guys $20 and $25 million a year, and that is the, like, the apex position of the football field, you need that to go into overtime and continue to, like, reward them with a chance to do it, in my opinion. I mean, it was amazing. It's an entertainment game.

But, like, I wish that I just did. I also just from a human level did not want the game to stop. Right. I agree with you. I agree with you for sure. I think they'll probably change it at some point. And especially because, you know, I think the best point was that they have catered to it being a scoring,

offensive quarterback league. Right. So, like, it makes sense to change the way. they do the overtime to allow that to be showcased and rewarded because that's how the league is going. Yeah. Thank you for accepting one of my fantastic points. Still going to make a stop. I just don't. It's rare. Never should have let the chief, it's never should let the chiefs go down. No. 60 yards in 13 seconds. I mean, they played a prevent defense to not get crushed like deep, but you can't keep letting those guys come up the middle on two

plays. I mean, it was just psychotic allowing those two fucking passes to be completed. Whoever their defensive coordinator is for the pills, I think is interviewing for a bunch of head coach jobs. And I saw somebody tweet out, like, all head coaching jobs for this person is just rescinded. Like, there's no way he can be a head coach if you're just going to let that happen. I just don't know why you change your game plan that much. Like, I understand you don't want to get crushed by these really, really fast by receivers on the outside, but you have to play a little bit tighter because he's just, he has two timeouts and he's just going to complete two 30-yard passes and you're going to fucking lose. It's as simple as that. I also don't know how kickers don't just

pukers don't just puke all of the film every time. Sometimes they do. Butker, he missed that 50-yard earlier in the game and he missed that P.A.T. And then he's got to go back out there to kick. 49 yard. Like Mahomes has done the heavy lifting. He's Patrick Mahomes and he did it. Now he's, he's depending on you to go out there and make this kick. I know that they're professionals. They've been doing with their whole eyes. But if that's me, not only do I throw up everywhere,

but that ball hits the back of my lineman in the ass, and I just run away and run off the field and disappear. We're not even talking about Tom Brady's game. Like, there was a point where it was 27 to 3 in the third quarter, and we said there's no way that he could possibly do this again. You're putting yourself in the situation saying there's no way Tom Brady can do the 28 to 3 against the Falcons again right now. He's no chance.

He doesn't have like the, the Bella check, the whole thing. He doesn't have the magic. And he did it. He came all the way back. I mean, obviously, crazy stuff was happening. Like, extraterrestrial stuff was happening to the Rams. I don't know what happened. I think just them being in the presence of Tom Brady happened.

But that's part of it. That game was fucking tied. And he did it. He came all the way back. Fumbles. Just touchdowns. Amazing throw to fucking Evans. It was insane what was happening in that game.

And we were actively saying, is he doing what we think he's doing? I had a moment where I was like, I'm watching the greatest quarterback of all time in a divisional playoff game, actively do one of the greatest comebacks of all time. I kept telling myself that, and as he was completing passes and throwing touchdowns, I'm like, it's happening. Right now, we're watching what we're going to watch forever on highlight rails. We're watching it right now. This next throw will be on a highlight reel, and then he threw a bomb to fucking evidence. It was like, I felt like I was in another planet. I was outside of my body.

I said, like, right now this next highlight will be a high. life forever and they threw it to Evans and it was a fucking it was it was fucking nuts and they lost then they lost um all right jeremy eronex coming up hall of famer we're talking to all kinds of sports football how cool it is this guy's done it he's done it all um he's a legend he's incredibly candid raw real he's got great stories um so stick around jr for almost a full hour um real quick after answering just a couple questions wealth front okay wealth front will build you a diversified portfolio of low-cost index funds in just minutes. You can also build your own portfolio with clean energy funds,

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Get your first $5,000 managed for free while I was right for life by going to wealthfront.com slash four. Here is Jeremy Rone. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're joined by a very special guest, NHL Hall of Famer, Jeremy Ronick. I will say on this show, it's a golf podcast, but we talk hockey. Also my first time I bought Barstool since I got fired. Welcome back. It's good to have you back. So we're, what is it, been two years?

Has it been two full years? Been two years. Actually, actually two years almost to the day. So the fact of me being here now, two years afterwards, it's fitting. It's a special time. It's special time. It's special. Well, especially because it's Barstall, right?

So if you want to talk and talk the way you really want to talk, it's probably a good place to be. This is a spot. This is what we do. This is a spot. How has life been in the last two years? Amazing. You just going to golf tournaments? I actually grew up as a man, right?

So it's like I had time to be at home. I'm not traveling. I played golf. I became like the best husband of all time. No question. A little pat on the back there. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, it's okay. I'm going to pat myself in the back. Trust me, there's a lot of times where I was not. So it's nice to know that, you know, my wife loves me very, very much, especially when I've been home in COVID. And I've had my son home for two years. So yeah, life has been good. I like it. The further away from sports I can get probably the happier I'm going to be. They've been like sick of you at home and all yet? No, not at all.

Good. Not at all. I'm really good at keeping people's attention at home. How's your golf game? My wife is, my wife is, she loves having me home. Yeah. Your golf game getting better? By the way, it's just me and my wife, by the way, at home together.

Nobody else, just the two of us. So it's good. Yeah. Way supposed to be. Yeah. Are you getting better at golf? Worse? I'm actually getting better at golf because I've,

I've been able to realize that I'm not going to hit the farthest ball. I'm not going to be the biggest, strongest guy. But if I just outthink somebody, it's going to be really good. So, like I said, I've grown up a lot over the last two years. And I don't have to be the furthest guy in the fair way. I just have to be the first guy in the hole. So I like that. And a whole new perspective.

A whole new perspective, right? Do you think that way when you played hockey, or has golf kind of made you think more? No, when I played hockey, I wanted to knock somebody out and then score a goal. Right. So it was like in order. So it's like you hit somebody really hard, get into the game, you know, or you get hit, and then go score a goal. Because it's so much cooler scoring a goal when you have blood dripping down your face

than it is if you don't. It's funny to see how much golf has changed where now is, in all sports is analytical now and they try and maneuver their ways around the golf course and, you know, you minimize your mistakes. Have you seen that hockey's made the same sort of change or is it still more just like running gun? feel type of game? I think that's a slippery slope for me to answer a question like that because hockey is a physical sport and there are a lot of guys in the physical sport of hockey that don't want to get hit.

Right. And we'll play their game to where they are going to be protective. They are going to be a little bit more cognizant of when they're going to get their head knocked off, right? I love getting my head knocked off. We didn't even consider that in the early 90s. Nowadays, you consider getting hit hard. And there's a different kind of mentality now, whereas golf is, I just think it's golf is one of those intimidating sports because there's so many guys that are unbelievable.

And no matter how good you are, there's probably two or three hundred thousand players that are better than you. You know, and it's just that's a frustrating thing for golf. in hockey, I can get my frustrations out by punching somebody in the mouth. In golf, it's just you and your anger, period. There's nothing else. Right, there's a certain level in hockey you can just dump and chase and just pounce up to the boards and it's like, okay, don't have the touch today, you know, whatever. Let's go run this guy in the corner, but in golf, it's just, you want to run yourself at some cases.

100%. If I'm not having a good game offensively in hockey, I can drop my gloves and pound somebody. Right? You get to a fight. And then that's a good motivating feedback to your team, right? So what better sport can you play? 100%. When you get really mad, you can actually punch somebody in the face.

And it's fine. Oh, yeah, go to the box for five minutes and then you're free. Just calm down. You're free. Five minutes for Friday. Yeah, five minutes for fighting. You ever tried that on the golf course? TVD.

I just have to say I'm not, there's been a couple of members. ships that have been kind of revoked for me for certain reasons. Yeah. Did you really just peg that at the flag? Sir just grabs. Yeah. Would you fucking knock it off? There's been many broken things in the golf course with me over the years.

But like I said, after the last two years, I've kind of grown up a little bit. I'm kind of more in a realm where I love my life. I enjoy it, but I still have a little competitiveness that will come out every once in a while. Yeah, it's in your DNA. Yeah, for sure. We grew up, I'm a St. Louis guy, St. Louis Blues fan. We had season tickets growing up. So, man, you were just our worst fucking enemy for the first 15 years.

I lost my teeth in the St. Louis arena. My first playoff game, my teeth got shattered all over the place from Glen Featherstone. So, yeah, I fucking hated St. Louis because of that. It was just one of those things. Every time I went back into St. Louis, all I felt was there's going to be pain. Because, you know, you lose your teeth in the first, like your first time you ever lose your teeth. I pray to you guys never to lose your teeth. It's the worst, worst injury you can possibly get, and I did it in St. Louis.

So forever going in there was, like, just painful memories. Your teeth look great now, though, I will say. Yeah, modern dentistry is a beautiful thing. How'd you lose it? I have a really good, really good insurance plan. How'd you lose them? What happened? Glenn Featherstone cross-checking me in the face, right, you know, right to my mouth.

And he's like 6'4, and I was 6' foot. So even if he went to try to hit me into chess, it still hit me in the mouth, right? Do you think it's crazy like that? Like, it's an insane gesture. Do you think it's crazy where people are just like, oh yeah, old time hockey? And they're like laughing off.

I love old time hockey. I love old time hockey. I will say this. The players today are faster, better, more talented, shoot the puck harder. And I think, put the best word I can. they're they're

pussies compared to what we played, how we do it. Like 100% pussies. We played a game hard. We played a game where you had to defend yourself. You had to live up to the game that you played. And if somebody wanted to fight you,

you had to fight. Nowadays, you don't have to worry about that. You guys can run around and... I mean, I don't think it's just hockey. That's in all sports. I'm not a basketball. We're... The two or three of us are really all hockey guys.

Not so much, too. But I'm a ranger's fan. Frankie's an Islander. fan. And I'm not a basketball guy by any means, but even back in the 90s, like, I could watch that game with Ewing and those guys, and it was physical and you felt the passion. They were playing defense. In your face. Basketball, I can't watch any of it now. Well, now basketball just wants to see how many points you can score. Right. No defense. Nothing. Fuck defense. It's a brutal game. Defense is gone. It's gone. It's similar in the NHL where you can't touch. You can't touch. You can't

grab anybody, right? Like, I remember, like, Dary and Hatchett Church used to just grab and hack the fuck the fuck out of people. Yeah, you can't touch, you can't grab, you can't hook, you can't hold, you can't, you know, and granted, you know, games change. People change and sports change, but that still doesn't mean that we can't have an opinion about the sport, right? The players nowadays are the most talented of all time,

but they're not tough. Right. At all. They would get their ass fucking handed to them back in the 80s and 90s. I would say probably 50% of the players that play today would get would get scared out of the National Hockey League back in the early night. Is that right? Sure.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's also a crazy blend, too, because some of that, you know, the quickness, like, you know, the Paul Koreas of the world that, you know, would dance and move and get held. And it's beautiful now that they, you know, escape. But again, like, you. Yeah, but look what happened to Paul Korea.

Well, with Scott Stevens? Yeah. Totally. He comes across the middle and Scott Stevens just knocks him. Put him into Mars. So I've watched that. Correct. Hundreds of times.

It is the most chilly. And he doesn't even remember scoring a goal afterwards. No. And he's, but he, you know. only misses it like four or eight minutes of game play. His breath came back on his visor. You see that. Yeah, just out of it. The breath, you could actually

see his breath come back. Yeah. Oh yeah, his visor got fogged up when he was just it was just a total and but again that's what happens. Right. When you don't fear that as much anymore. No. You can go across the middle. You can go across

the middle anytime you want and probably you're going to get away with it. No Scott Stevens there. Yeah, remember what he used to do to Eric Lendross and just bury him. He crushed Eric and Joe's career. You know, coming across the middle twice. You know, it's like, hey, listen, it's a tough game.

It's a brutal game, but we also need brutal men to play it, tell you the truth. And it's just a little bit different now. They're more talented, but they're just not. Yeah, we had your debate with Wayne Gretzky. Yeah. Oh, this is brutal. Frankie, why?

We've gone back and forth a lot on it, but, I mean, Wayne even had his quotes that sort of. There's a quote that Wayne Gretzky says the style that he played and the error that he played, he doesn't know that he'd be able to play today. And I think that I made the argument that NHL has changed more than any other sport to the point where the best player of all time really wouldn't be able to compete in the style of hockey. You remember this. Gratz is very humble. Grets is going to say a lot of things that's going to take the attention away from him.

Don't never believe what he says is actually how he feels. because he's a humble person. And he'll, he said, oh, I hope, I hope O'Vetskin breaks my goal record. No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. He doesn't want him to break his goal record. Nobody wants to get your records broken. Right.

But I will tell you, Wayne Gresske can play in the league today, but he would be, he would be a 70, 80 point score. Because he wouldn't be able to score as many goals. He'd be a big, big time assist maker. only because the defense are faster, defense are stronger, the goaltenders are bigger. Wayne Gretzky is not scoring 94 goals. No. Nowadays.

No. He'd be lucky scoring 24, 25 these days. Right. But he'll get 78, 80 assists. Right? Because he was the smartest player. So you look at five seasons over 200 points. Yeah, but those days are long gone.

Right, right, right. So, like, it almost makes me. There's no, there's no goaltenders that don't like the, go down on the ice anymore, right? Like they played when Gretz. Gretz scored 94 goals. He had, what, 25 empty netters, 30 empty netters, whatever the case may be. But goaltenders didn't want to go on the ice, dropped down on the ice because then they had to stand up, so they stood up all the time. Goaltenders now are totally athletic. Wayne Gretzky probably, I would say, if he scored 30 goals in the league right now, I'd be impressed. But I think he'd had 75 and 80 assists for sure.

Because that's what he did. That was the best. How different do you think the sort of full-on kind of athlete, nutrition, working out off-ice, having it kind of dominate your entire life? How different is that now from your guys' time? Were you guys partying in between games? Well, I made $90,000 in my first contract. You think I'd give a shit what I ate?

You think I gave a shit what I drank at $95,000? bucks it was like that's what we did to work to um during training camp scrimmage for an hour and a half and drink for six hours that's what we did so nowadays it's like it's all power shakes and you know power bars and everything is is make sure that your body is fit i didn't see an ab on a hockey player until i was 26 years old not an ab nope who's the first one swear to god if you if you have somebody to do 25 pushups they'd puke It just didn't happen. Nowadays, it's like these guys are just shredded,

but they were born and raised to be professional athletes since they were six or seven years old. If I could have told you what our camp was consisted of in 1988, you'd laugh. You'd laugh. You guys could do it with me in 10 minutes. Just go out, play, do 25 push-ups, 50 sit-ups, do a little bike work, and then go to the bar. That's it.

Perfect. It was awesome. I remember we had Mark Messier came and gave our team a little speech one year, and we were growing them with a couple questions about, you know, Gretzky and his younger years and the Oilers. And he said, yeah, the best thing that we ever taught Gretzky was how to just live. And he's like his first year, he was so 100% hockey. It's all hockey.

He's all life. Yeah, and then he said he came in and we taught him how to like enjoy it and go out. And they're like, and it made him the best person he'll ever be. I heard the middle 80s, Edmonton Oilers were fun. They were fun. Sure. I can imagine. And Yari Curry.

Kevin Lowe, Mark Messier, Glenn Anderson. Glenn Anderson. Those guys taught Gretz how to have fun. Now, I don't know what kind of fun Gretz had, but let me tell you, he definitely had fun. You're coming right off the heels of, I'm going to plug the Islanders, but four Stanley Cups in a row,

that team was nasty too, and they were a tight group also. Well, it's kind of crazy because Tampa has a chance to be the first team to win three in a row since. Yeah. That was a dynasty. I mean, the islanders of the late 70s, early 80s was pretty unbelievable.

And it would be nice. It would be really cool to see another team dominate like that. Yeah. I don't think it's going to happen. It's killing me because they keep killing my islanders in the fucking playoffs. Everybody kills your islanders. Sorry. Give it to them.

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You guys will never make the playoffs. It's just, it's brutal hockey. And by the way, I'll tell you, they have the smartest hockey mind on the planet with Lou Lamellarillo behind. But, and I think Matthew Barzal is one of the most exciting players in the National Hockey League.

But the most fucking, they almost have like New Jersey Devils of the mid-90s kind of mentality, right? Why is that wrong? though. You know, they're a glimpse of hope in this soft.

Sometimes I'd rather watch Monke's fuck than... Come on, you're killing me right now. You're fucking killing me right now. This is my favorite segment. Why is it boring hockey to be one goal away from the Stanley Cup finals? Yeah, but why is it...

Why is it not a... Why is it not a boring hockey game when you get one goal? You said one goal from a Stanley Cup, but when you go to a game, you get one goal. That's not true, though. They scored goals in the playoffs.

The Matt Barzelles, the Brock Nelsonsonsons, the Andersley. I'm not going to let you diminish this team. They are a very good skilled team. I thought you would enjoy the type of hockey they play. No. They go out there and they say,

we're going to fucking stop everything you throw at us. We're going to be systematic and we're going to pound you into the fucking ground with Cal Clutterbook and Matt Martin leading the league and hits constantly. Their whole entire careers, these guys just keep going in there into the dirty areas. And they fucking send the fourth line out there with a minute left. Dirty areas all they want. Come on. Who's your favorite team to watch?

Tampa. Tampa. Colorado. Yeah. Those teams that can throw some offense in. Yeah, I hate defense. I hated playing New Jersey Devils in the mid-90s. They crushed hockey.

They killed hockey, literally. They changed every rule that you can possibly imagine offensively with the league is the way that they played. Yeah, I'm a big islandish fans, don't get me wrong. But if I'm going to go, if I'm going to pay $250 for a ticket, Islanders would probably be like 20 to 30 range. I'm going to respectfully disagree with you.

Obviously, you are. Yeah, I will. Who would you say in the league right now do you see as most similar to your game? Do you find it? Nobody. Not one specific guy. You're like that guy as me?

No. Wow. No. Because I'll ask you. Somebody, and I've been asked this question before. So who in the game today wants to go out and knock somebody's head off every shift?

Every shift will be physical, hit somebody really hard, who scores goals, scores assists, is we'll fight. We'll fight. I had over 40 fights in my career. But who is going to go out there and be so, like, I would say like earlier Ovechkin, but he didn't really fight. But he would go and, he would get into it. Do you think Oveckon was a better playmaker than me? Not a chance. No, I'm not saying it, but I'm saying somebody who was offensively talented.

Who also would run into people. No, but this is the thing. If you take all the intangibles, right? Yeah. Playmaking, defense, offense, physicality. There was a time when Alex Ovechkin was the worst defensive player on the history of the game. Yeah, true. He was minus 36.

He was minus 36. And then. And he's like leading the leading goal. And he's the greatest power play goal score of all time. Yeah. Okay. So is Alex close to me in relation to how I played? yeah he's physical but he doesn't play physical like i played physical yeah he'll hit somebody every once a while

i hit somebody every fucking shift yeah i hit somebody hard every fucking shift you almost got to combine a brad marshon and a tom wilson to get you know i mean i'll i'll accept a little bit of that yeah for sure because tom wilson is a guy who'll hit everybody in sight he's got some skill but he's not i mean those big strong that's it's a great you know what if you could combine those two players because Brad Marchand, I think, is probably one of the most underrated superstars in the league. Yeah. Because I wanted to give him your comparison alone, but he doesn't do what you did.

Because he's a grime, he's a fucking warrior. He hits guys, but they bounce off him, but he'll go right back at you. And you'll snap at you, and he likes when he gets cuts on his face. Do you chirp a lot out there? I chirped a lot. Mouth run and nonstop. You ever feel bad by anything you said out there? It's never stopped. You ever take it too far, and you're like, fuck, sorry. I've never really taken it too far

verbally. I've had, I've had people that have taking it too far verbally. Rob Bray, being one of them, who's a piece of shit, tell you truth. What do you say? It's, it's, it's,

we know. It's not coming out on this point. We know. It's not, yeah, it'll never come out, but Rob Bray knows he's a piece of shit to me. 100%.

He knows. That gets back to him, it's just like he's listening to the four play podcast, trying to get some golf stuff. Yeah. Is there anybody out there that you think says the same thing about you?

Oh, I'm, I'm sure there's more people that say it about me than I say about them. There's no question about it. But you know, I didn't want people to like me, you know. Yeah. No. I wanted my teammates to like me, but I don't, I could give two shits whether the people I'm playing against like me.

I don't want that. When you get booed going into a stadium, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a phenomenal feeling. Because if I went into a building and nobody acknowledged me or I touched a pocket, or they, then, then I didn't do anything. At least, at least people know when I was there. And they know how I was there. and they know what I was there for. Because if I just went in there and nobody paid attention from the day I walked in on the ice until I walked out and there was nothing, what a fucking terrible life to be a part of as an athlete.

You're irrelevant. I like being relevant whether you booed me or you cheered me. Would you get more fired up for some of those games even than home games? For sure. I actually, going into Columbus at one time, there was a guy who put a sign up and that was like, you know, every time I came on the ice, he had a sign he would put up on the glass. Like, you know, old-time men's hockey is at 8.30 down the street, you know, you're an old has-been, so on and so forth.

So I remember going, getting ready for one of my last games in Columbus, and I put, this guy was old, too, like in the 70s, 80s. And I remember putting a, I wrote out on the piece of paper, and I clipped it, taped it to my chest because I knew I was going to come out and the guy was going to be there with some derogatory like sign for me and he did so I skated right up to him and I nobody saw that I had this picture this thing paper on my chest and I walked right I skated right up to him I stood right next to the glass and it said I can't believe you're still alive that was my that was my sign how long did you stand there for five minutes I can't believe you're still alive

And he's looking at me like, oh my God, this guy is chirping me from the ice. So good. No, the greatest, the best thing of it was after warm-ups were in, you know, we go off the ice. And he grabs one of our trainers. And he writes his number down on his phone, on the piece of paper, says, give this to JR. He goes, I love that. Give this to JR. I end up calling the guy.

And he ended up donating like 10 grand to my favorite chair. And we became like buddies because we chirped each other. Right? Because nowadays if you chirped somebody, they, they piss themselves and cry and whine and go around and, you know, they want to sue you. But like, I chirped this 75 year old and he ended up giving $10,000 to my best charity. And we became friends. Yeah. Because I loved that he was chirping me.

Right. And he loved that I chirped him back. that's something you'll always remember, right? You included him in the... Yeah, he's part of the team. He was part of the experience, right? It's part of the experience. Did you ever have those kind of relationships

with guys you get in fights with? I mean, I fought a lot of guys that I... I mean, one of my best favorite fights of all times was with Craig Barubi, who became a good friend of mine, right? I fought Bob Probert. I fought Martin McSorley. McSorley is a great friend of mine.

How did those guys? He hit me in the forehead so hard one time I went blind for like five seconds. McSorlerler? Yeah, I couldn't see literally like picture being on the ice and see total black and it's like grabs

anything that you possibly can. How'd the prober fight go? Not well. Yeah, he was as big as because him and Domey is maybe one of the best fights all time. It was just a ragdoll situation but I'm throwing

and I'm trying to staying in there and I was always of the case if I woke up the next day, I'm good. If I woke up the next day, I'm okay. Whether it's with a broken jaw or broken something, I'll get over that. But if you show up, a lot of guys today will be bitches and run around and they won't drop the gloves. They'll just chirp. They won't be accountable for the way they play.

I like being accountable for the way I played. Yeah, and that also made you, I mean, imagine when you're chirping the shit out of people, made it come from a much more real place when they received it because they're like, this guy will stand in there with me and fucking punch me. And by the way, that's, I mean, that was a fun part of the game, right? You knew who you can go after, who you can't. You know who is going to not give in. So, and that would make, that's what made fucking sports great back then,

because it was a battle mentally and a battle physically. Literally, I knew going to St. Louis, my mental state was like, okay, just get in there, get hit first. Once you get hit, then you're going. to get into the game because you know it's going to happen early you knew you're going to feel pain early and often early and often if you think that early and often you're okay hit or get hit first shift yeah that's it's 100% always that was the whole thing it's by the way that's an amazing quote by you get hit first shift yeah first shift get hit hit or get hit

there's nothing that gets you in the game more than that somebody just fucking rocks your bell rocks and you're like all right my dad used to watch all the games and and he used to say he used to say to my mom, if I bled in the first period, I was going to have a huge game. If there was blood on my face or there's blood, my dad would turn to my mom. It's like, it's all over. He's going to throw him five on these guys. It's all over. He's going to have a game.

It's so true. We're all huge hockey fans. I was a ranger's guy, and I was a goalie all growing up. Were you a ranger's guy? I was a ranger's guy. I am a rangers guy. Me too. You know, I think, I don't know, I assume you're on the squad, but Hextal obviously

It was a crazy netminer. I loved them, but at the garden one time, they're all just going, heckstall. Bro, you know what? So I have a, I think I'm one of the, I think I'm the only flyer in the history of the organization to get a standing ovation from Ranger fans. Standing O. Now, whether they were standing, you know, because I was leaving the ice with my jaw in my, and shatters. But I broke my jaw in 28 places, and I actually, like, skated off the ice at the garden,

and they were holding my jaw, and they, and they. stood and clapped for me. Now, even though they clapped a lot because they were happy, but you know, the fact that I walked off the ice and skated off the ice without being, yeah. But I don't think any flyers ever got a standing ovation

from the New York Ranger fans. I doubt it. Yeah. I was going to ask, though, what's the, who's the craziest goal that you've ever played with? Eddie Belfour. Eddie Belfore? By far. Why so? Well, we call them Eddie the Eagle, right? I mean, there's a lot

between, you know, the ski jumper, Eddie, that just didn't give a shit about anything. Eddie didn't give a shit about anything. He had his ways. He had his mentality. He had his superstitions. And he played the game in the way. But he was crazy as a shit house rat. Didn't he just destroy one of the rooms one time after you guys lost a series of the blues?

Many. At the blue, no, Winnipeg. We were playing in Winnipeg. and one of the players grabbed the puck in overtime and grabbed the puck and threw it into the net. And they called it a goal. And I swear to God, I thought Ed was going to flip. His head was going to pop off, spin around, and kill the referee at the time. And the referees, the coaches came out.

But it was probably one of the worst officiated calls of all time. The guy literally grabbed it and threw it in. Can't do that. And Eddie was, so Ed never liked you to shoot above the pads the first 10 minutes of practice, right? Let him warm them up. Anything above the pads, he'd be, okay, he'd freak. So first drill, we got this drill. You go around, you get a pass, come through the center ice, take a shot.

Just, you know, go around, come through center ice, take a shot. Dave Manson throws a slap shot off of Eddie Belfour's ear. So the next time Dave Manson goes He goes down He's coming back through the middle He's looking back for a pass Ed

Came flying out of the net And right when Dave Manson Picked up the puck at the blue line It was the collision of Eddie Balfour knocked him on his ass At the blue line And it was a big brawl fight This is five minutes into practice

I'm like What the fuck And I'm like I'm not going in there Those guys are like really mean and really physical and strong. But Eddie was bad. He was mental. I loved them. I loved every bit of them.

Yeah, I remember just the stories on the other end of that as again as a blues fan. And, you know, we would always chirp and Eddie. Oh, yeah, just chanting that off. Try to get him going. He'd be over there talking to his goal pose. That's what I was saying. At the garden, so, I mean, you just love these old memories. And you're a kid growing up and you're like, you know, my dream was to play in the NHL.

The whole guard was going, Hextall, Hextall, Hexall. And he'd give it up five. And he loved it. He got yanked. Turns around, Tomahawks a stick over the crossbar, snaps it, and skates off the ice. And I was like, hockey is the best sport in the world, and I need to be out on that ice. And then I chose going. He shan.

He shan. My head missed me by a quarter of an inch. Hextal was just. We'll say, had a little crazy of me, too. I think some guy hit a slap shot of me one now and just chased me. Yeah, but I would love to have had Hexon. on my team. Oh, yeah.

That would have been, like, the greatest thing of all time. I mean, competitors. Competitors, you're fighting to stop the puck. Like, you're not guys for putting a spotting in front of them. It's a little bit different nowadays, but it's funny. Oh, yeah. It's so good. Yeah, the, uh, it is funny how almost every sport it feels like, like you're talking about

it's just a little bit softer. People were softer with like the-cadom-boys. Yeah. And they're all, like, best buddies and even in golf or in, you know, we talk about it all the time. We want there to be some rivalries. Want there to be some heat. For sure.

Some bad blood. For sure. I mean, some teams have it. There's some, you know, some rivalries are there. But, you know, I'd still rather be in the back of the bus and drink a beer and play poker than drink a protein shake and play video games. Did you ever get into that, like, phase? Were you more the conditioning and all the bullshit that all the guys were doing? You had to, right?

Yeah. You had to. Especially when the salary starts skyrocketing. Right. I mean, you had to. I had a really bad, you know, part of my career. during 2004, 2005, 2006, right? Where I kind of revolted against the whole mentality and, you know, almost ended my career.

But, you know, it's, you have to be in the physical aspect now. Right. But these guys are so strong and they're so good, but yet they're so weak and so feeble. Do you play a lot of golf even when you were playing? Yeah, played a lot of golf. Well, I was in there, a Sona, too. Phoenix Day. Yeah.

I mean, we'd go to practice. Next thing we'd be on the T-box by 1 o'clock. Who were big guys you played against? So Keith Kachuk was, you know, Rick Tockett, Craig Janney. We'd all go play all the time. Sounds like a good foursome right there. Yeah. Kachuk's your kind of guy.

Yeah. He played your kind of hockey. One of the best captains of all time. Yeah. One of the best captains of all time. One of the best leaders, one of the most grittiest, grindiest, dirty. Yeah, he's a dying breed. There's nobody like Keith's a chook anymore.

How are those golf matches go? Did you guys get heated at all? Yeah, he'll always accuse me to cheating. Always. Found it. Found it. Found it. But that's when I used to hit it into the woods.

Now I don't hit in the woods anymore. You can't do it anymore. Big good shirt. Sell that shirt. Found it. Everybody's got a guy, a buddy that's like, haven't seen you in five minutes in the trees. They're like, found it.

Found it. Then they rip one out dead to the green. You're like, I mean, come on. Yeah. Yeah, that was my, that was my M.O. with Walt. But then, you know, then he saw me in the middle of the fairway on the green, middle of the fairway on the green. So he can't, he can't say that anymore. My game's definitely gotten to be where it's competitive every single time.

You get nervous for an event like this? You don't give a shit? No, I don't really care. If I have a, you know, I'll have one Vak de Soda in the locker room and go out. out and be perfect ready to go. Would you do that when you were playing days, real playing days? I only played drunk twice. Played drunk in 1994 when we were going to go, when we were going to strike against the

union at the end of the year. And we ended up not doing it. And we were drinking heavily for the whole day. And I played hammered. I got a goal and assist. and we tied 3-3. So I escaped that. And then I had, I drank during the 2020, or 2000,

2019 All-Star game? No, 2009. My last All-Star game was, shit. Shit. I mean, I made nine All-Star games. I was like, oh. I'm thinking, 1999, 2009, 2004. Okay.

It was my last All-Star game. I was drinking beers in the locker. room in between. It was great. I didn't give a shit anymore. It was great. Kind of like I don't know. The All-Star game is funny you bring that up because that's such a microcosm of how much the league has changed.

Like every team gets a player now. It's like three on three and like there was a huge debate like Tampa should be sending just more guys and Colorado should have seven guys on their team. I think it was always, every team always had at least one.

The difference now is there's only what 14 players 13 players per I like the All-Star game to tell you the truth I like the 3-on-3 I like

I like how they play it You're not gonna You're never gonna get Their entire attention Yeah Never it's it's vacation Yeah You're never going to get

An unbelievable All-Star game Because they can't wait To get out there And compete right It's gonna be boring as fuck It's gonna be boring as fuck No money could solve that

Like Well, they're making money. Right. They're offering them, what, a million bucks or a million bucks for the winners? Yeah. And still they're going through the motions, right? Yeah, I just wish, it's hard because these guys already make so much money and they're so successful, but, like, I wish the All-Star game was when we were all-kids

and making the All-Star game was, like, a really important thing. You got a New Jersey, and everything was, like, you know, it was your time to shine. For them, their time to shine every day, so it's hard to get them to get up for it. And it's such a pressure-packed situation now in the league these days. if you put them in a situation like that where they do not have to grind, they're not going to. Not at all.

They're going to take a day off and just, even if it's during the All-Stars. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't knock people out in the All-Star game, too. People would have love that. I did.

I'm thinking I hit more, I have more hits in All-Star games than anybody in history. Is that true? That's an amazing. That's a really good stat. Yeah, 100%. Yep.

And I've been. hit more than anybody else too because they come after me too I'm sure all-star game you get back checked or somebody runs you in the boards you're like dude I'm coming after that coming at it's like summer league hockey like what are you doing chill out yeah that's incredible listen there's a lot of there's a lot of correlations between golf and hockey but physicality and stuff like isn't not but that's why it's great to be out here with you guys man you guys are your golf pod fucking bar stool which is the the rats the tits of all fucking

podcasts and I love it even though it got me fired I still love it we are the Jeremy Ronick of a podcasting yeah we're just trying to hit or get hit every shift that's me hit or get hit yeah some big-name golfers you play a lot with or like tour golfers tour players um I don't play with a lot of guys actually tell you truth um you know Phil Mickelson plays at my course all the time uh Shifley plays there I know I just I stay away from all the big guys. One of my good friends, Tame O'Slani, I set him up with Donald Trump. Yes, two days ago.

You played with Donald, yes. So I set them up and a round. I've played with Donald a bunch of times. One of the best, most fun rounds you can never have. Did you play with him while he was president? How is the, like, what are the logistics? We were saying we watched a video, or Trent was saying he had watched a video on YouTube about the logistics around moving the president.

Unbelievable. Where there's like pints of his blood in the car. So I got to tell you a story. So we're playing Trump National Bedminster in August of 2020, right before the election. And we're playing. And there was a security breach, air breach. So we're sitting on the 12th T-box. And all of a sudden, you know, the bully comes in, the cars come into the right,

the Secret Service come running onto the T-Box. I'm surprised we have a security breach We have an air breach Right and the four of us are sitting outside the realm of the security What the fuck is happy? Where is it? Where is it? You know, we're like what? You guys are screwed And Donald's like looking like what where is it? Where is it? And we see this Cessna come over the hill It comes into our airspace, right? Within three minutes You had two F-16s no way

cover this Cessna. No way. Cover the Cessna and throw air flares at it, pushing it off to the side. And we're literally, like we're sitting here right now, looking up in the sky, these two F-16s push the Cessna off to the side, right? I mean, the Cessna's moving at like 100 miles.

Yeah, F-16s. F-16s, and they came from both sides. Dude, they came from both sides. And then they threw air-flarees at it. This guy had a fucking heart attack in that SS now, 100%. This is such a large story. So we're sitting there. So we're sitting there, right?

We're sitting there. And so the security around President Trump, and all of a sudden they get the air, okay, aborted, you know, everything's fine. Mr. President, enjoy your golf round, right? So I'm sitting there with my jaw dropped. And Donald looks at me and goes, Jeremy, now that's power.

And I went, holy shit. That is the coolest thing I've ever seen. He's like, yes. And he goes, now that's power. That's why I'm the president of the United States. I'm like, that was the coolest thing I've ever seen. It really is another. Yeah, there's a flying the Cessna.

Oh, dude, they brought him down. They brought him right down, arrested him right on the spot. Nobody's seen him since. Okay. But it was crazy because if you, if you, if you pull him, player at the president, there's 25 golf carts that accompany you. Right. So there's, no matter where you're going, you go up to the T-box, there's 25 secret

service carts, and they're surrounded. And in the trees, they have these radars, right? These radars that pick up people. They have the birds' nests where all the people with the guns are. They have these radars. It is the most unbelievable, intense security you have ever seen. And it's... I think I read an article.

It might cost like a couple hundred grand per round or something. Like it's an outrageous. I want to say the number was like 600. It's got to be more than that. It's over a million dollars for him to play a golf round. Has to be. Without even a question. We do this every day for every president for all time.

We're lucky we have a president now that doesn't play golf because he can't even see the ball. It's stunning. It really is just stunning what goes into security. We're saving money with our president. now because he just wants to go back and sit in this house in Delaware instead of going. So that's an easy run back and forth from Washington, Delaware with the Secret Service. When you play it, not so much. When you play with Trev, is he play lightning fast, like everybody reports.

So fast. Yeah. So fast. And he hits the ball right down the middle and he just goes back and he plays like lightning. But I will say we had fries at the end and he puts ketchup in the middle of the fries, all of them. Right in the middle of them? Who puts all ketchup in the middle of the fries? Wait, just like not all over the fries, just in the middle of them?

Right in the middle of them. Like right in the middle. And I'm like, Donald, that's, you don't put ketchup into the fries. Concerning behavior. He goes, that's, those are my fries. Those are my fries. That's power. I'm like, hey, listen.

Right, yeah, he leaned in and he said, that's power, baby. That's power, that's power. Catch up in the middle. But I will tell you, he is one of the most fun guys to play golf with, and he's a generous man. He's a very complimentary man, and, you know, we'll see what happens. I enjoy playing with him. He's one of my more fun of celebrities that I play with for sure.

That's got to be one of the more memorable rounds he can have, you know? Yeah, yeah, I've played with him probably five or six or seven times, and every single time there's something that just jumps out of ear with him. Yeah, I can imagine, Jesus. He loves golf, right? He's like one of the biggest golf in theaters ever. And he can play. He's a good player.

Gets his hips through the balls. I've seen some videos. Oh, yeah, there's a couple videos out there and striping him down in the fair. Never picture. He does have a big bottom half. He does have a big bottom half. Yeah. He gets the bottom half through the ball really good.

Yeah. Incredible. So I'm clearly not the biggest hockey guy. These guys are carrying the show. But my question is, how does the body feel now? Like when you wake up? Not bad. I mean, broken jaw 28 places hit every shift.

Like, how's that age? Not bad. Um, you know, I go, I go up and down. Like, I'll go two or three times a year where I'll really, I'll get myself back in the shape and I'll lose a lot of weight and get physically fit again. Yeah. Then I'll let myself go again and get fat and drink and do all that crazy stuff. Then I'll bring it back again. I find, you know, it's crazy.

I find when it's a golf tournament, I'm better when I'm fat. I'm better when I'm loosey-goosey because I'm not strong. I'm not pulling everything. I can swing through things. honest, it's a crazy thing, but that's the Jason Duffner. Remember when he tried to get all skinny and he sucked? You're like, you get skinny, you

get too strong. Daly said that too. He said when he lost, he couldn't put without the love handles. He got really skinny. Remember when he got really skinny? Yeah, it was weird. I'm telling me there's something to it. Yeah. And my wife hates it when I go to a golf tournament because she's, you know, she's like, dude, you don't look good right now.

I'm like, yeah, but I play, I put like a motherfucker. Played great. Tiger at times, we've said he's two throughout his career where it's like too much muscle, wait too much muscle, can't get around the ball. Yeah, there's something to be sad about it. That's why I have my body, loosey, goosey. We're all justifying the body.

Yeah, by the way, I think you've got to be, you're good. You have to worry about it. Guys like me, we gotta shut it down a little bit. First time I ever met Tiger, you were there actually. It was in the locker room at Shadow Creek. Shadow Creek. Yeah. At the match, remember that?

At the match, my son was there. We went in there. Yeah, and I did like a quick little hit with him two or three minutes and then you guys were right there and you took a little picture with them. That was actually a really cool event. That was awesome. Yeah, it was a really cool event. I think, you know, it's getting diluted a little bit, but that was a fun, fun match.

That was probably the best one or one of the best ones. Especially when they went to a chip off. At night. I was sitting right there at the chip off, and I can't believe how bad actually Tiger hit those chips. Yeah. They had that stack of cash behind the green. And remember they made a big penis from the air? Yeah.

You could see it. That's right. The T-box, all the people line, and it just looked like a big dick and balls. Shout to my guy Hopkins out there. I love it. Have you had any interactions with Tiger? Yeah. Yeah, I've played with Tiger a bunch of times.

I was actually with Tiger 10 days before he got into his Iowa-Worth incident. You know, so. Playing around here? We were actually in San Francisco right during the President's Cup. Was it the President's Cup? Yeah, is that Harding Point? Park, right? At Harding Park. Yep, that's exactly right. Was it at Harding Park right before it was Thanksgiving time? And we're hitting balls. I was playing and I actually saw him up there, so I went and hit

balls with him and just said hi. And if I ever, if I just only knew what was happening, I'd just say, don't go home. That'd be like the voice of reason. Don't go home. Stay right here. Don't go home. Stay right here, man. Just don't go home. Yeah, because that President's Cup was the year that he hit that like two iron and then twirled the shot of it and walked towards it. Remember that? Yeah. He's a stud.

I don't care what anybody says. There's nobody that has influenced the sport more than him ever. That's amazing. Ever. And I just hope Charlie plays as well as he did because it'll give us something to look forward to for the next generation. Is he a fun guy to play around a golf with or is he just in his own world, Tiger? He's all right.

He's fun. Play with Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley a lot more fun. I can imagine. Bring a lot of cash for those? With Michael, yeah. With Michael. But Charles is great because Charles knows he's bad

and he accepts every bit of it, right? And it's just, I don't know anybody that would have a game as bad as him and continue to play as much as he does. And publicly bad as him. Right, he's arguably like the worst public golfer,

historically, the way people have looked at his swing over the years and he keeps going out there. Yeah, but he used to be. really good back in 90s. He used to be really good. And I think it was at Tahoe where he sliced one and hit somebody in the head.

And Charles is one of those people that loves people. Like he's one of the most caring, one of the most affectionate people that really he loves his fans. And he almost killed somebody with a slice shot. And that kind of, when people

around, that demon mentality gets in his head. And literally he had had that hitch because he fears he's going to hurt somebody again. That's awful. But that's a great mentality to have for him. It shows you how great Charles Barkley is, right? And he'll play and play and play and play.

No matter how bad a swing is because he loves it so much. But he has the hitch because he hurts somebody bad, right? You ever had anything like that? Like a hitch or yips in sports or hockey or golf? Yeah, that's why I drink vodka when I play golf. Just a couple shots before we go out and takes away. But who was it? Yvonne Lendell called me Mr. Yippe.

That was his nickname for me. Back in early 90s when the Tahoe tournament was a celebrity tour. And I think I played, I think I had almost 36 putts in the first nine holes. And I threw my putter in the middle of, in the middle of Lake Tahoe on the ninth green, which was 18 at the time because I was teen off the back. I had 36 putts through my putter in the lake. And, yeah, I putted with my driver the next nine holes.

Putted better. But Yvonne Lendell, he called me Mr. Yippie because I missed every single putt. Now you got the vodka. You'd be fine. Yeah, not anymore, though. Yeah, I remember I played in the amateur tournament one time, my buddy Ryan, and we were both, I mean, there were like some of the top amateurs in Massachusetts playing in this tournament, and he and I were both like four or five handicaps

at the time, so we have no chance, but it's the two-man best ball. First hole, I cold-topped one. He, like, grinded out a par. Second hole, he, like, hooked one. I grinded out of par. And on the third tea, he pulled out a bottle of whiskey over on the side and was like, hey. It's all over. And we ended up shooting 67, and we were like tied for third after the first round to go. Get rid of inhibition. You're all good to go. Just got that sometimes. Those, those puts become a lot straighter when that whiskey's in you. Start playing lights out after that. Yeah.

All right. Well, anybody else? Anybody got anything? I mean, what a legend you are. What an outlook you got. Thank you. I love it. Sometimes it works for me.

Sometimes it works against me. But just raw and real. Listen, people don't want to listen to podcasts and talk about bullshit. They want to hear what you really think. They want to hear like your life. They want to hear real opinions, right? So, might as well give it to them rather than be boring. Couldn't agree more.

You've never been. boring your whole life. No. No. You're not a boring guy. No, definitely not boring. It'll be the last thing that's going to happen to me. Just Islanders hockey, right?

I don't, I'm not Islanders hockey. No, I'm saying, you think Islanders hockey or not? No, I'm not Islander's hockey. No. Frankie's still better. I am bitter about it. No, baby. It's okay, though.

I love the Islanders. It's okay. I'm a fan. Appreciate it. I just, I just won't watch them. Awesome. Thanks, JR. We appreciate it.

You got it.