Fore Play - Rahm Fireworks, Beating Old Jack, & U.S. Open Conditions

Episode Date: September 1, 2020

Olympia Fields just delivered an all time finish with Rahm and DJ draining MONSTER putts on 18 with everything on the line. We breakdown the BMW Championship, the conditions of the course, the latest with the Barstool Golf Society on PGA TOUR 2k21 and the upcoming U.S. Open. We also take several From The Galleries, including: Could we beat an 80 year old Jack? What would you shoot at Augusta if you began every hole at the farthest point on each green from the hole???You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. As myself, Frankie Trent, and Lurch behind the scenes, we got Brendan Jones, we've got Jake Bass. Wow, did we have some golf? We got a lot of golf to talk about. These guys are good, live under par, whatever you want to call it. DJ and John Rom absolutely delivered last night in maybe the most dramatic, intense fashion that we've seen all year long. We had that. I guess that would only go up against the PGA, which is a major championship,

and what Kyle Moracawa was able to do down the road, down the stretch. And then the workday, the first tournament in Ohio, when we had J.T. and Moracawa, who was in the mix again, who came out on top of that, dropping absolute bombs. These ones were crazier. These puts were just, not only were they long, I think it was a 43-footer and a 66-footer, but they just weren't. that you're even supposed to get close, let alone can both of them and the way that it went down. So we're going to get into all of that. We've got wing foot stuff to talk about. Frankie's going on two hours of sleep. So you know his brain's going to go into some extremely weird, bizarre places that already has in both work calls that we've had today and in pre-show stuff that

we had today. So you've got that to look forward to. And then I combed through a bunch of from the galleries. So we're going to be able to hear from the people. We only got one week left in the PGA tour season, which is really bizarre because we still have two majors left. So I'm a little bit, they're a little bit force-feeding us that, like, the year is over because it's just not.

Like, we just, we have a U.S. Open and a Masters after the, after East Lake and Tiger's not even going to be a fucking Eastlake. So I feel fine about this whole, the season's over thing. They kept saying, oh, this is, if Tiger doesn't finish in the top four, his season's over, which I get technically that that's true, but he's still going to play golf.

Like they're making it about when I hear, when we all hear end of season, we think something's ending. And this thing is just carrying on. And it's actually getting better because we got more majors. Right. They're legit.

Tiger, they're going to be talking on Saturday or Sunday about Eastlake. And then they're going to cut to Tigers playing a practice round at wing foot. Like getting right. So they're, you know, I mean,

I get that they're going to be that there's a week off. We've got two weeks until you has open week. But it's not like Tigers, when the season's over, that means we don't see Tiger for fucking months. And he just goes off on his little yacht, spearfishes, and kills shit with his bare hands and then comes back and begins his slaughter on the PJ Torgate. No, he's going home to gear up for the U.S. Open. And then there's all this talk of them moving the Asian swing to Shadow Creek,

to Sherwood out in California where Tigers won a bunch of times. So he's going to be playing plenty in the next two months. two of those are two in the next three months. Two of those are going to be major championships. So everything's okay with the end of the season. The whole thing's kind of weird. It's like the regular season's over. It's like I don't want to say exhibition,

but like, you know, it's like that season is over, but now the majors are there and he'll play. So I don't know what the right word is. So it's not, it's definitely, but it's definitely not over. Right. And also the season, they're talking about the season. Like the season, we missed three months of the season, and then we just up here and it was this playoff thing

that people don't really care that much about to the point where Webb Simpson just sat one of the events out. Brooks Kevka is, he kind of missed out and then is just hanging out, maybe fixing his knee a little bit. And they're like, oh, his season's done that. That was the big storyline, what, last week?

And now... Wait to describe rehabbing. You said fixing his knee a little bit. That's rehab. The guy almost just won the PGA championship. We're going to act like he's going through this intensive rehab. Like, no, he's just getting ready and resting for the fucking United States open at week, but in a couple weeks. So it's just a bizarre thing.

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John Rom and Dustin Johnson, it looked like this thing was over. It looked like Ram kind of did what he did at the memorial, where he just came out on Sunday, stamped his foot down, and just said, I'm going to play better than everyone. And it was a difficult golf course. And when someone posted a number like 6364, I think is what he shot, at a really difficult golf course, then it's just fucking over. You can't make a ton of birdies.

you can't really chase. There was a two-stroke advantage that he had, so it looked like it was impossible. And all of a sudden, DJ is behind a fucking tree on the right side in this brutal, rough, firm greens. Nobody can get the ball close to these holes, even out of the fairway by the wedge in their hands, let alone from where DJ was on the 72nd hole,

hits this crafty little shout that we don't see a ton of these days, right? People bitch about bomb and gout, the guys could just fly wedges from the rough on the PGA tour. It doesn't matter. You don't have to be an artist. He kind of runs this one up through the middle of the green, almost caught that ridge but landed and stopped the top of it. And you're thinking like, okay, this thing's over.

He's got a 40-something foot putt, but he's got to hit it like two feet to the left. It's going to take a slope to the right, then pull back left. Like he'll be lucky to even two-putt this thing and finish second. And he fucking canned it. He fucking made it. He just made it. It's just the most insane putt that you can possibly think about going in. Before the playoff.

Yeah, like the deep. DJ putt, like, that's the craziest putt I thought I was going to see the rest of the year and for a couple of years. And then like a couple minutes later, John Rom made that six to six footer. But, you know, DJ celebrating, that was nice to see. He actually has a little bit of a personality that we never see. There's such a dude, like, celebration, like a little bit. He knew he wanted to give a huge fist bump, but then he kind of stopped it halfway. Like, almost like when Tiger used to stop his downstring before he hit the ball.

It's like, no, dude, you can fist bump. Like we, it's fine. It's totally fine. It was like he thought he was going to get a fine from the PGA tour for doing it. It was so weird. It was like, yeah. And he stopped like where you go now upward. He stopped at the downward down by like his belt buckle.

It's like when they caught Kanye West smiling at a Bulls game. Like he's like, no, no, my persona is that I don't smile. So I'm not going to smile. But if you catch me, I'm going to stop smiling. That's how a DJ celebration was. Just regardless, seeing Rahm and him was incredible in terms of both putts made. and like their celebration. I thought Rahm's heart was going to jump out of his chest.

DJ, like he gave his heart a beat for the first time in 10 years. And they do have completely opposite demeanors on the course, right? Like we talk about John Rahm is a nut job. He's a head case. He's a lunatic. He gets it in his own way. And DJ is the exact opposite. DJ is just flatline the whole round.

He shows no emotion. If he makes triple, if he makes eagle, you can't tell. He just kind of saunteres slowly off the green every time. And here you actually, I mean, yes, you could tell the difference, but it was cool to see DJ with no fans in something that has, and a lot of people's minds have been fabricated and just thrown money at to become important, which is the FedEx Cup playoffs. And him make a punt that caused that man there to give a fist pump and have to like try to rein it in was cool.

Like anytime we see that emotion, we get excited because you never, ever get to see it. So seeing something that matters to those guys was, was exciting and especially to get a reaction like that out of DJ, sort of woke us up like, oh, fuck, this is, they kind of do care about this. So, so I thought that was neat, especially among this time when, I mean, we're getting Rory quotes about how he feels like he's a zombie going through it. We found a little bit more out about why with the fact that, you know, they're pregnant, they're having a child very soon. But it's a lot of it has been sort of this monotonous. There's no fans. There's no electricity. And all of a sudden,

to get that reaction out of DJ. So I thought it was pretty refreshing to see that. Yeah, I think the electricity on the golf course is always, like, you know, the fans obviously add to it even when it's not as crazy of a moment as hitting a 66-footer to win it in the tournament. But you see that, and this is not a hockey podcast, but you see it in hockey with the Islanders are the closest they've ever been to a Stanley Cup in my lifetime, 27 years. They've never made it to the third round of the playoffs.

So we're very close. That's six minutes into the show. Is that what's happening here? I'm still riding high. It's crazy. It's a hell of an experience. But my point to that is like... You're answering questions as if we asked you.

Like, yeah, I'm still riding high. It's pretty crazy. You created this. You created it. You've created it. No problem. But, well, it's because you guys are dead and I'm alive. I'm up top.

We're all... We're all... It's like you're responding to transcript questions from, like, a Islander's presser afterwards, except we're not... Boys are playing tough. you know, we're just playing a team system and that's all you got to do. So, I mean, I don't know why all the Canadians and all the hockey players always say,

so whatever. Anyway, the reason why I bring that up is because when you watch a hockey game, especially like the one that's going on right now with the Islanders and the Flyers, you don't think about the fans when there's such a like, holy fuck moment. When it's a two, two game or a three three game, you're not, yeah, like you're upset that you're not there and like I'm upset I'm not at this game. I'm so dialed in and what's happening. Golf is a little bit different because it's such a slow,

spaced out sport where it's shot, walk, so maybe you realize it a little bit more. But in moments like that, like when he hits that put and Ron hits that putt, I'm immediately doing what I do in hockey. I'm like, holy shit, like going crazy at the TV.

And I don't even think for a second that like, oh my God, like, I don't think anyone's sitting there being like, ah, that would have been better if there was fans there. So like the whole fan thing to me is like, when the big moments do happen, you don't even realize. Yes,

afterwards it'd be pretty cool. Like when we saw Tiger walking up the up to the green on 18 last year and there was like he was Jesus Christ like like everyone was running up to go see him like give a sermon on Sunday. It was insane. But like that's something that like I don't know. Now that we've gotten that taken away from us, my point being I don't I don't find it so as harsh or as like apparent as I thought I would. I agree. I think when it's there it's a cool extra piece like you're saying with Tiger walking up at the tour championship.

like Jesus Christ. But yesterday, when there are no fans, I'm just jacked up at the moment itself and I'm celebrating in my apartment and tweeting like crazy like I normally would. And so, yeah, when the fans are there, it's very cool and it adds an element to it. But these moments can stand alone by themselves.

They're so great. Yeah. Yeah, and I think golf's always done that where it's really hard to like, even though the fans are there for big pucks until they do the pan out. Like until they give you that shot, like the shot is like there.

It's caught really like, tightly. It's not a wide angle shot. So you really don't even like know it's there until they give you that larger angle shot. And like golf is a great sport from home, honestly. It's an amazing sport from home. It's almost better than live because you do get all the shots of everybody playing. You don't have to watch them all walked up. I don't even think the Payne Stewart shot has the fan in it, does it? Like it goes straight from like the long put to like his move.

I don't even think you see the people there. No, you're right. Like the close up, right? Like they always zoom in on the ball, going into the hole. So, like, you're never going to notice a difference with fans of that. You can only see, like, a two-foot radius. So there's no, like, you're never going to notice. Baseball is a huge difference to me. Yeah.

Like, you think about Aaron Boone's home run against the Red Sox, right? Like, something like that where when right while the crack of the bat, I know I'm so biased at all my, like. All your takes are like a one-way examples of like, thank you. My fandom stuff that his teams have done only. But like that home run, the crack of the best. that place is going crazy. And imagine that just goes into like an empty state,

like an empty fucking upper deck or wherever. It didn't hit the upper deck, but like, you know what I mean? Baseball. Well, I think all those sports are wide angle shots. So like in that case,

like as soon as it gets hit, it goes to like that large angle shot. And you see all the fans like reaching for the ball or like standing up like they just started to go crazy. Maybe there's a playoff. The fact that like the actual thing you're trying to do is send the ball into the fans in baseball. Like the best thing you,

could do in baseball is hit a hit the ball in towards the fans like where like hockey you keep it in the rank and golf you keep it on the golf course basketball you keep it on the court baseball the best thing you could possibly do aside from on the defensive side like throw an actual perfect game is hit the home run over the fence into the crowd i will say in hockey in playoff hockey though the fans make a big difference like when it's late yeah the old goalie and you can see all the Panemoneum on the bottom part of the screen, like right below the camera. And then when somebody scores and you can see the fans, like, you can almost see the fans jump before you can tell the puck went in behind the net. Like that is so exciting that I don't, you know, I think that

probably affects the viewer experience more than anything I've noticed in golf. But I, golf, like, I feel like it affects being there, like, and playing in it more than it does as a TV viewer because you're right. Like I haven't noticed anything really as a TV viewer that you can tell a difference. And clearly in the huge moments, like we saw J.T. go nuts and his heart rate thing from whoop. He made that put at Mirfield Village. We saw, you know, Rahm's reaction, even when he chipped in that time when he won the next week at the Memorial. Like, he went crazy.

So we're seeing wild reactions from the guys. So I don't, I think you're right. I guess the fan experience hasn't changed it much, but it is cool to see that emotion because you don't get the emotion from the fans. So you really are reliant on getting it from the players. And a lot of times in golf, like, Moracala is a pretty flatline guy. So you're not going to get a ton. When DJ won by a million last week in Boston, like there's not a ton of electricity in that at all. And then all of a sudden we get yesterday, like you're kind of relying on the players and the, you know, the actors in the play to provide the energy.

so when they do, it changes the experience, I think. I can't wait to see John Rom's whoop live from that putt. I mean, the chip was one thing. It all happened in like four seconds. This will be a much longer, like it'll probably start. It's probably pretty high, but it might start triple digits. But by the time that thing goes in and then with the celebration, I think it's going to go fucking crazy.

I love those whoop lives. He surprised himself. He was like, as the ball was going, he stops and goes, hold on now. Like, this is about to go in. Yeah. There's no way. Because he did the walkover to see. like, because you hit a put from that length, you usually think it's just going to go past the hole.

And, like, he was trying to get the angle from, I'm sure the put put in one direction. And then, like, but nobody was over there. So then, like, he did a cellie in the other direction. And I think it's going to be fantastic on who because the shock factor is totally there. I totally agree, frankly. It was, it was amazing. I mean, it's just, it's one of those finishes that you'll, we'll talk about that forever. That's just the B of W championship.

It was also cool on top of how. brutal the golf course was playing. I mean, we are seeing guys with wedges, land them on the first two or three yards of the green, and then it takes five hops and checks and rolls out to the back, right pins. That is so much fun to watch because we don't get that very often. These guys are able to hit it so high with so much spin.

They have so much control that them having to do that. You know, I'm talking to Kiz, Kisner was like, yeah, I had a 115-yard shot, and I'm thinking I got to play this, what, 85 yards? He's like, we don't do this. that ever, never, unless it's maybe intense, links golf when it's baked out and been dried out all summer long and you're downwind. So getting that at Olympia Fields in the Chicago area, in a playoff event coming the week after we watched DJ shoot 30 under, we saw 59 and a 60 in the same day. And then we got that kind of golf, that U.S. Open style golf. Kids said at one point

during the week, they didn't get any rain that he thought even bar was going to win it, was going to win it, not win it. I think only five players finished under bar for the entire week. Mark Leishman was 30 over. So he was as cool as it was the DJ was 30 under last week. Leash coming in at 30 over. I respect to how I just out there battling until the end. There's also no cuts. We didn't really have a choice. So brutal. When you're like, know you're out of it and you're like, there's just other stuff going on in everybody's life now, probably more so than ever. And you're just out on this golf course. You have no chance to win. You're just adding bogeys galore. And like that's not fun because they're professional. standard is like probably like you know a half shot under par for every hole and he finishes at 30 under it's got to be so deployed i don't know what's more i don't know what's more impressive like the fact that somebody can go 30 under over four rounds or somebody can go 30 over over one round i mean like you said for a professional golfer they don't even dream that that's like a thing no

and leash is like he's very good i mean on their president's cup team last year he was they're one of the best players i mean mark leishman is a stud he's one of a bunch of times it's like he shot 30 over part. Such a good number. So I enjoyed watching that. I think Stephen Bodech was chiming in about trying to protect his record. He was like 32 over or something like that one week. So shout out to Boto.

I haven't talked about him for a long time. Tiger did finish his air quotes season. He was 11 over par. His final two rounds Saturday, Sunday, actually were, I thought, incredibly optimistic. He had a triple on 17 on Saturday and then a double on 17 on. Sunday. Otherwise, you would have shot both those rounds under par and ended up finishing 11 over. So you could be one of those people that's like, why are we even talking about Tiger Woods? He shot 11 over. He's not in the mix at all. We get it. We've been Tiger guys forever.

We understand we're loyal because he's the greatest player of all time. And if you see positive signs out of Tiger, you know he is 100% capable of finding a little positivity, building on that momentum and showing up at Wingput with a chance to win his 16th major championship. So I thought I saw that. It's not going to be easy for him. He hasn't gotten a ton of the reps, but he did talk afterwards about the rye grass. They haven't played much on ryegrass. This is the only time he's really going to get the play on it before Wingfoot, which is the same type of grass. So until he really shows up in his on-site. So reps, we're just going to have the detour from we want Tiger to win every week to, oh, he got the reps in. That's awesome. He's warming up for the U.S. Open. We peaked four times a year.

That's sort of the slamp that we're taking on this one, and I feel pretty comfortable. Yeah, I feel great about that. I'll mold Tiger's story, however, it suits us best. Like, we've got that meter that we used to put out. I don't know if we put it out anymore. But, like, if he's not winning, you put it right in the middle, and you say he's healthy, he looks good, he's getting the reps, and he's preparing for a major championship.

That's it. I will say on the meter, Trent, I noticed, I think this is kind of reflection of it. But the far left part of the meter is Tiger with his mugshot. and I don't I actually think I tweeted it out maybe during the PGA and then I deleted it because I didn't feel great about it. So I think we need to, I just, I don't know, I think we can't if we're going to be us and be Tiger. I don't know, I don't want that picture anywhere. I think we should try to get it white from the internet, to be honest.

Okay. Well, let's update it. We'll update it with, at this point, you know, I knock on wood, but like the far left, I don't know what far left would be. It's not, it used to be, the bottom used to be way further down. to be bad. He would hurt his back. He wouldn't play. He'd sit out an entire season. Now I just think like he just doesn't play that well. That would be a far left. Maybe it's just catting for Charlie is as far left as far left. Yeah. Because that's kind of like what's over there if it doesn't go well, but it's still very nice and there's an upstart. You know, there's some positivity on that. You

can create a positive angle on that side. And it, yeah. Do you think there's a world where Tiger Woods, when Charlie is playing in U.S. amateurs and then going out in his professional career young, that Tiger Woods is caddying for him on like a professional scale. I could see him being like a coach, but never a caddy. Like I could see him like standing behind and just like looming over Charlie and like helping him with things or talking about golf.

Because like in an interview, Tiger said that's Charlie starting to ask the right questions, which is just like, what are those questions? What are you living in? But I could see him taking some little role in it. I don't know what that role would be, but I could see him being.

fairly, you know, public-private the way he was today. Yeah, I could see, the only time I'd see him cadding is like a last-minute thing where Charlie's normal caddy can't do it. And then it's a huge fucking thing that Tiger's out there on the bag for him. I agree. I like that. I like that a lot because there's no way. It would be too much pressure, as everyone says, for him to have Tiger on his bag.

He's got to be his own purse. He's got to be waiting on 18 for him after he walks up 18 at Augusta. He's got to be hugging him. We're going to have the same shots. Like, I mean, think about that. Tiger hugging his dad, him hugging Charlie, then Charlie hugging Tiger. I mean, come on. Well, now I'm just thinking, like, the U.S. Open's upcoming.

Like, obviously the U.S. Open is usually right on Father's Day. Do you imagine, like, a world? The world would blow up tiger caddies for them that day. They win it. No, we need, like, Tiger, Charlie Sunday final pairing. Like, them playing, though. Like, Tiger's fucking 60-something. Oh, my God, that's true.

Like, Tiger's 60. You would have to be at Augusta. is going to be contending in the Masters until he's like 75. See, Charlie's 11 right now. Tiger is what, 43? So if we go- Charlie could be competing in seven years. 50 and 18.

50 and 18 works. Yeah. Works well. Tiger at 50s double bagging. 53. Tigers, let's say Tiger's like 53 and Charlie's around like, you know, he's what, 21 somewhere around there. Yeah.

And that's, I can see that where Tiger's got it going. He's playing like his smart golf. He knows the, and then Charlie's just like letting it rip all over the place. And they go at each other. Oh, who would we root for? I mean, I know who I'm rooting for. You got to go, Tiger. I'm going Eldrick, top of wood all day.

Yeah, no, I'll go Tiger until he hangs it up for sure. It's really funny that we're talking about this, by the way. That's hilarious. What a hilarious thing that we're talking about. Just a hypothetical. or that it's just there's nothing wrong here you know it depends up like that i wouldn't root like that no i'd root for tiger but it would be i would be i would like to know where we're going to be in 10 years with tiger you know what i mean like where we're at with the

major championship number i'm always going to root for tiger but i do want to see charlie start to get in that major championship mode where are we going to be tomorrow with tiger i mean there's a lot to uncover with the guy true it's true we're going to be we're at we're i mean we're on the wing foot lurch that's where we're at with tiger we got just want to make sure everything stood on a daily basis we got two there's a chance i mean there's a chance tiger could be going into augusta 2021 with a chance to tie jack nichols is reckoning that's the way i'm looking at it i don't know i don't know what wing wing foot's going to be hard masters is kind of the one i'm looking at as a real real chance wing foot's going to be hard i mean i love the guy you're

But it's going to be, I would say it's to be hard for everyone. It's, yeah. That's fair. There's a lower percentage chance, though, for a wing foot win than Augusta. We got, I got a story from Wingfoot, um, that Tiger and J.T. When they were playing. Now, I'm going to fuck this up. It may have been nine.

Maybe it may have been nine. Because I was with you when the story was told and I vaguely remembered. I believe what percentage of your story. Okay. What percentage of what you're about to say is, do we think is going to be true? 99% of it is true except for what hole it was. Now, it could have been nine.

Is nine like a long, long, like 565, par four? It's a par five. So I think they're making that a par four now. Aren't they switching it? I think they're actually switching it to a par four for the pros. Whatever it is, there's a hole on there. It's like nine, whatever the hole is, they're switching it. And they were stepping up to the T.

Jake, was it nine? I believe it was 11. Oh, fuck. no oh not 11 11 11's not that long no 11's short whatever dude so i knew tiger was on the t-box and with j t and then um they teed off and then our buddy steve superintendent steve looks back rabidoo rabidoo rabidoo rhabido rabidoo looks back and goes hey guys you teed off on the wrong teabox there's like one behind you and like tiger and jt were like what and like look back they're like where's their one behind us he's like behind us he's like behind us he's like

behind that green back there. Like you got to go walk. And they kind of like made a face like, ah, fuck, like went back there and like re-teed it up. And like, like,

so that's how hard that fucking place is. Dude, there are. You have the best of all time. Well, no, one of the best of all time. JT's just a really good young player.

But you have two of the best on the fucking tour, not even knowing where the T-box was and like surprised there was one behind them. I bet. The 12th hole. Because the 12th hole is where that T-box is tucked. Remember when we were playing and, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. he went back there. Yeah, because that is, that's a T-box that we never would have saw. Right, right. Got to be it.

Even though Steve told us that they made that box poor tiger because he basically destroyed the course because he was so much longer. And he also mentioned there was like a green

in the middle of it so it makes me think it wasn't 12. You knew that the story was never going to come out correctly. You got the meat of it. It's such a cool story that sucks that I don't know like the detail.

Yeah, let's go. The cliff notes are that we're, wing foot is so tough they built T-box way farther back than anyone would ever guess even JT or Tiger. Correct.

Okay. Yeah. No, it's true. I mean, that should give people hyped up and Wingfoot's going to be really, really, really, really hard. And we we've been talking a lot with the maintenance staff, the core staff, the superintendent

about the golf course. We've been talking with the USDA. And every sign that we're getting, all the intel that we're getting is that there are the people that are in charge of this golf course for this golf tournament coming up this championship coming up they want it to play difficult extremely difficult wing foot prides itself on hosting incredibly tough championships watching people struggle and whoever can survive it is going to be your winner it's not going to be someone that goes out

and goes low so root for no rain root for a lot of win, and if you get that for the next two and a half weeks leading up the U.S. Open, the score is going to be substantially over par, I think, in all of ours opinion, going into that tournament. It makes me worried about my guy, Zach. You know, I hope he's prepared. I hope he's ready. I hope he's ready to go when this tournament starts.

See, the problem is that he's not going to be able to say, he's not going to be able to say they've lost the golf course because Wingfoot is what Wingfoot is. Like, wing foot is, is just there. It's not going to be lost. you know it going in. Like same thing with Shinnock that they should Zach has no idea what he's talking about. How about you?

How about you know you? Zach Johnson can say whatever he wants. You don't tell Zach Johnson. Like my point being like yeah. John's a big. Maybe they made Shinnock a little bit harder than Chinnacock is usually. But I think Wingfoot has always been known with this stretcher screens or really thick rough, tight fairways.

I think what they're about to show you is that they're going to let Wingfoot be wingfoot. And if Zach Johnson complains about it and says like, oh, they've lost the golf course. Be like, buddy, this golf course has been under our nose the last 100 years. We're fine. Like, we haven't lost this thing in a minute. There's an ad out there that Zach Johnson actually speaks in where he wins the

Payne Stewart Award. And I took a small uptick. I was like, oh, I don't hear you talk much and this was kind of nice. But I will say, Riggs, to your point, with wind and weather, this is like when the mid-Atlantic, like, Jersey gets a lot of, like, storms and hurricanes blowing up the coast. So I do think it should get even windier over the next couple of weeks. And like there's a chance over that weekend that it's blowing like hell because there's a storm off the coast that's just creating a huge wind. So I think Wingfoot is going to be impossible.

Are you going to tell us what does Zach Johnson say? I thought you were going to say something nicer about Zach Johnson. No, he just had a nice, basically his tone, his presence on the camera. I saw a quick ad the other day on TV. You know, Zach Johnson was speaking. And it made me. In an ad? he like won you over in an ad?

Well, he won the Payne Stewart Award. And he was talking about it and it was kind of nice. It was a nice ad. And it made me kind of warm and fuzzy inside and gave me a couple small points for Z. I mean, when you think about it, the Payne Stewart Award is like, the Payne Stewart Award is the top three award you can win and golf. Look, I'm a huge Payne Stewart guy. What's the number one award you could win and go? Well, you win the Masters, you get the green jacket.

I guess what's number two? To the Payne Stewart Awards, probably 12th. I mean, come on. Like you have four majors. I guess there's the Claire Chugg. Yes. Let's see, the green jacket, the Claire Chug, and I think the Payne Stewart Awards right there.

Yeah. I mean, look, not even, you can't even keep you. I forgot you were doing a bit there. I actually thought you were being serious. I was like, what in the fuck are we talking about here? I am being serious. Trent being serious is brought to you by dude wipes. Dude wipes are the original flushable wipes for guys, created literally out of an apartment a few years ago by four Chicago dudes.

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You're going to use it. And you're going to come back. Okay. Kevin Kisner, T23, going into Eastlake, shocking. That's he's just right, you know, right where we need him to. be anytime Kiz makes it to East Lake, it's great. There's a lot of money in that. Kiz obviously plays a little bit more of an old school game. He doesn't hit the ball particularly far. He's accurate. He's a great wedge player. He's a great putter. So him up against these guys

and those tough conditions, he was right there going into the weekend. He was two over, I believe, and was only three back, especially when it looked like even Parr could win it. Kiz gets hot with the putter and all of a sudden he could have won that damn tournament. Did not have a great Sunday, but regardless, he made it to East Lake. He had one of the best 30 seasons on the PGA tour. That's our guy. That's Kiz. So good luck this week to Kiz at Eastlake. This is going to be like his fucking sixth week playing in a row or something,

which Kiz doesn't usually do. He will start nine shots back from Dustin Jopton, so I don't love his chances this week to come out on top. What do you really think about that? We've got DJ starting the week at Eastlake, 10 under par, John Rom's starting at 8 under par, JT starting at 7 under, and then it sort of trickles on behind that.

So we've, you know, we've got the handicapped Eastlake Tour Championship this week. DJ's playing so well, he should start plus 10. Make him start plus 10. Having him start at 10 under is like, oh, well, I guess DJ is going to win the Tour Championship. Because nobody's catching him right now. Dude, he's playing so fucking well. It's really interesting thing about going in to Wingfoot, too. I mean, his one major he has is a U.S. Open.

It was at Oakmont, which is up there. with Wingfoot as the most classic toughest U.S. Open venues. He clearly blew it at Chambers Bay with the three jack, Pebble Beach when he had that triple on the second hole. I think that was 2010. So he's had a great history in U.S. opens and now he's coming off a 30 under finish where he destroyed the field and coming off a playoff loss and then going into East Lake and eventually going to be going into Wingfoot with a ton of momentum. So DJ playing this well right now, maybe get a bet on him in right now for wingfoot before he might win at Eastlake team off at fucking 10 under

par but it does seem unfair like the fact that that man is just starting 10 under bar at golf tournament uh i don't really know how he's going to lose this week just lurchase loose picks you know if you want to make a bet you just let me know by the way i was right john rom i picked correctly on our for our picks of the week i was correct so trenties you know tight picks uh take those take those oh i just something's going off my computer here some sound. Oh no, what's going on?

There we go. Music started playing. It was hard rock music, heavy metal music. Because I was what I was, more porn. I was, yeah,

because I was trying to look up what, how much money. Trent's laptop opens up and it's just horrors in the background. I mean, catch me on the right day.

And you will, but like, I was trying to look up how much money Mattie Fitz made this week because he played more. $337,000. You got a T6.

Wow. Good. That's a lot of fucking money. I'm pumped for Fitz because he needed that because last time I really got to watch him play. He was on PGA Tour Live with Tiger and TBC Boston. And the whole tournament was like 12 under bar. And he was like six over on the first day, just slapping it all over the place with Tiger, like standing over his shoulder. Are you ever going to finish your round, dude?

So I felt a little bit for fits. But he's really, really good at golf and bounced back this weekend was up there as well. What did he actually finish? He finished. T6. A blover. Oh, even. He finished even.

I'm sorry. He had a pump for Bernie on 18. Yeah, T6 even. He had a makeable puff of Bernie on 18. They showed him and he almost made it. But, you know, $337,000, nothing to sneeze at. Yeah, you know. T6 got him 300-something K this week.

Holy shit. What was that, Frankie? What's going on with it? The way he said that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so I'm the hottest gambler in this group right now because I picked John Rob. That's right.

I hit on Kisner top 30. That was a nice win for me. weren't there only like 70 guys in the field? Yeah, so Kisner was like minus 250, I think, for top 30. So I took Kisner, top 20, top 30. I took J-Day to win, which was a total miss. And then I had Rory to win and also a top 10. And Rory did not play well on Sunday.

And then also the news about his wife being pregnant, I was like, oh, that's a loss bet. Because he said he could leave at a moment's notice if that happened. Why did you plug Lurchy's loose picks if you won, like, really not? Because I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to be like you and swindle my bet followers. You'd probably just lie to them. I'll swindle my bet.

I don't have bet followers, number one, number two. I just pick Justin Thomas every week. So I'm the most transparent better of all time. I just pick the same guy every single week, whatever he is. Go to be the leaderboard. That's how I did. I will not be bringing my pick next week if it doesn't win. I like that.

I mean either. I won't even. Well done, Trent. great pick. Thank you. I have a real problem with PGA Tour 2K21 right now. I can't set tonight's event because it's just, I'm getting us, is it a pinwheel or a spinning wheel? I called the wheel. No, that's not still there. The ring of death, that like red circle. Oh, like when you're like on Google Chrome or something and you go, yeah, yeah, get too many things. Is it a spin wheel? Is it a pinwheel? I think it's a pinwheel, right? I think they call it a pinwheel,

but it does spin, so that would make sense as well. well, I'm getting a little pinwheel loading circle on the bottom. JT's on my screen. I did it just, I broke the game. No matter how many times, it's crazy. It's almost as if like the game is a real thing and I broke it.

Like it should always work if you reset it. It's a fucking app on a, on a platform. So you're just trying to play the game and you're getting the pinwheel slash spin wheel and you can't progress further? I cannot progress further. I can do everything else on my Xbox. I can do literally anything I want in the world.

I just can't progress. can't get inside PGA Tortuke 8-2K-21. That's a problem because we have 50,000 members in the Barsu-Dal society. We have 50,000 members playing in our fucking online video game. Let me ask you this. Let me answer this. Should we, are we going to host a major around the U.S. Open? Yes.

So I was thinking about doing a major this week. I did a championship this weekend. I don't know what that consists of. For you to run a society, to have a major, you have to have a combination of regular events and championships, and then you can unlock the major. So I did a championship this weekend. It was called the Sunday Red Cup. People thought it was like a Red Solo Cup,

but it was really like Sunday Red, like Tiger was wearing red. Yeah. Oh, I get it, yeah. It was a play on words. I'm trying to think of four play words this entire time. I did four the boys open on Saturday. That was brutal.

And then Friday I did. What the fuck did I do Friday? I'm just running out of, I'm running out of work. I did the Desert Classic, which has nothing to do with Foreplay. But I picked Wolf Creek. So I don't think you can broaden your horizons. I don't think you know. You don't need to,

you know yourself in where you have to have to do with for play. Just start like Desert Classic. I was going to take the chains off, bro. Take the chains off. I was in the society. We know what's. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, that works.

Like the Trent Cacky open. Yeah. Do shit like that. And if I can open up the goddamn game, I will. I need a lesson in that. You just, you got to play. You just have to play. I played a ton of it.

So I've been playing my career. I've been doing my career. But then anyways, yeah, Frankie, I created my course, Poppy's Irons, and I sent it out to the world because you didn't want me to send it

before your course, whatever. It's your world. Keep saying that. Anyways, I put it out there. You're out there south of Cron. I can't find it. I don't know where.

it went. All I wanted to do was play it after, and I can't find. So it doesn't exist, but I didn't delete it. I don't know. I have to find it tonight. I will say I had a busy weekend. So you spent all this time building this golf course and filming yourself serving tennis balls to nobody. And the game just like delete them out. I mean, were those even in? Yeah, the first one was in, but hit the corner. There's nobody on the other two when they're not in. What? How do you put up the other two when they're not in?

in. I mean, how do you put up a golf shot when you don't hit it in the hole? I mean, who cares, dude? I feel like that's different. I feel like that's completely different. Showing off a serve that doesn't go in is much more different, is much more different than me attempting to just hit a golf shot. I feel like, I don't know why. It sounds kind of similar. So those were just three consecutive tries. I basically just threw it up three times and hit it and that was my, that was my serve. It's a pretty good serve. I sent it out to a couple people. Did you? What they said? Well, I got a couple friends that think they're good at tennis Because, like, you know when you get in that mode with tennis?

You just play a shit ton of tennis. Yeah. So they're playing a lot of tennis right now. And I'm like, you guys would get absolutely worked by Lurch. It's like those stairs are fucking. Here's my take on it. Here's my take on it. My take on it is that Lurch is a very good tennis player.

Lurch, like, plays tennis against D1 tennis players and can, like, hold his own and play. So I think that was your way of trying to tell the, internet that you are good at tennis. I just, I just didn't think it translated particularly well. Because two of the serves were just out. And I fucking, and I boom, roasted you in the comments. So, and then Riggs followed up with pretty much the same message of like, it's way easier if nobody's over there. And, um, yes, I get that. No, it was basically because Frankie and I just played the U.S. Open, the two U.S. opens of tennis and golf are going to be happy at the same time within like 10 miles of one another. Nobody talks about tennis. So I was basically just telling us,

the tennis world, you know, we got some tennis upcoming. And I know Frankie was actually, last summer, was it Frankie, that you were picking up tennis and playing like 5-5 with buddies? It was Labor Day. We had a clay court in the back of our house that we rented. It's awesome. And I played the most of this. Anyone's ever played tennis in a 24-hour span.

No element of that was to tell people, to show that you're good at tennis. Obviously. No, it was, I mean, I guess, I don't know. It was just kind of like I like tennis too. And I've gone back with that guy, Riley. old pecker a few times on instagram so you know if you wants to hit i'm i'll hit with them also do you you feel like page sporannic is like on your heels because she's been playing tennis on her instagram and i see you guys interacting like you think you're like you a match you a match against

her with you would be incredible so we were going back and forth on instagram today actually about playing tennis which it was not uh maybe when the world opens up we'll do something like that okay you're a good tennis player you're very good i'm not i wasn't defending good or bad i'm not i wasn't defending good or bad. I just, you know, you're a good tennis player. I just, I want the world to know you're very, you're very good. Frankie keeps smiling and biting his lips, so I'm super

intrigued of like what he's like. Well, you're just a good battle player. It's weird. Really good at ping pong, really good at tennis. You don't have the body for either of them. It's stunning, really watching that thing. A couple, nothing about comments and then one job. Oh, it's just nothing about you is finesse and you play finesse sports really well. Thank you. That's right. That's correct. I feel like you do these sports with like

touches, like light touches and soft hands better than you would like play pickup football. Like, like I feel like you would you would you're a better athlete on the tennis court in the ping pong table than you are like pick up like two hand touch football. Like I wouldn't be stunned to find out that you can like do ballet like you're just like on your feet and like he's like I was going to me Instagram this next weekend of him doing pirouettes and it's like oh well of course yeah right it's gonna be like oh there's the u.s. open of tap dancing is like in new york too so here's a video of me like tap it's like all right that would be great if there is a tap dancing i'll put up susan tap dancing this weekend oh god how sick would it be to be able to tap dance just a skill that isn't you know it's

not many people have it or you don't know that they have it but then if you can just break that out somewhere That's something. You got to get tap dancing shoes. You got to get those, like, wood and bottom shoes. You know what I mean? Tap it up. I'm not going to do that, but I hope you do. He's a pretty good dancer, too, actually.

He's a good wedding dancer. I will say, thank you, Rick. This is great. Anybody else have any kind words to shame? Oh, man. Roy McElroy is going to have a child. I think that was alluded to earlier, but it's on my little note here.

He's going to have a child. He kind of used that, I guess, is to say, Hey, I haven't been as focused as I maybe would have liked a bit on the golf course because we could be having a kid at any moment. And his caddy, Harry, has the phone, you know, on ready to rock a la Phil at the 99 U.S. Open at Pioneers No. 2, just ready to go because this thing could pop out any moment. Nobody knew that.

They kept it a great secret. His wife, Erica, is due any moment. So, yeah, I think that makes sense. Rory seems like a guy who is not, he's clearly not just some robotic golf machine. He is a person. He's a family guy. and I could see him and he said if something happens, I'm bolting out of here immediately.

I'm gone. There'll be a lot more, you know, toward championships at Eastlake. There will not be more first, you know, the birth of your first child ever. So I got to be there for that. So it makes sense that Roy's been a little distracted. I felt betrayed by that news because Roy and I are the same age.

And I think we all feel this way. Maybe we don't. When, you know, you got friends who are your age and they start having kids and you're like, I don't think I'm ready for that responsibility. And then it just starts to happen across the board. And I felt like Rory, I lost another one of my buddies. He's having kids.

It made me feel old is what it did. Like it made me feel like I'm falling even further behind the curve with societal norms where, of course, Rory's 31 now. He's ready to settle down, have a family. And I'm still like, I'm just not ready for that. So seeing Rory have that, it felt like a little bit of betrayal. You're still sleeping on like a pile of Sour Patch kids in your little New York apartment. I had 25 disturbances last night.

It's just none of us have kids in here, but you know the joke obviously of like, you know, oh, that's why you're single. I was trying to figure out that way to plant that of like, oh, that's why you don't have kids. Like Rory's had the best 31 years a man could ask for. Yeah. Any four of us have had, you know, a billionth of what he's been through and how good, you know, some of his life has been.

And so, you know, that's why we don't have kids. It's my choice. Yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he's, he's just got it together. I mean, he's just, he's also, what an interesting character. Like, Rory had the glow up, right? Like, remember how just ridiculous he looked for a, oh, yeah, a couple years? It is.

He was younger on tour. And then now he's just, like, this jacked, like, you know, he's rocking the Nike fit stuff. He's in great shape. Brando was chirping him for working out too much. He signs this, like, $100 million contract with Nike, and he's got all these endorsement dollars, and he's got four, MAKES. he's got four majors and he's just the fucking king and now he's having kids and yeah here we are you know all of us except for what one are like older than rory is and we're just doing this

bullshit and counting our disturbances at night yeah really it really just made me look in the mirror like man some people are just a lot different than me and rory mackleroy is certainly one of them maybe polar opposites one could argue close we're definitely close yeah no last night the reason I had 25 disturbances is because so. No, no, no. I've been trying to eat healthier and I've talked a lot about it on this podcast. I've been doing better with it. But last night, Sunday night, I ordered a healthy dinner.

I was sticking to it. I was ready to go and I was ready to stop eating by 8 p.m. and have a low amount of disturbances. And then my food didn't show up. It just didn't show up. And that gave me a license to just go crazy. Like, if you even open the door a little bit for me, I'm just going to kick that door down. So as soon as my healthy dinner didn't show up, I just, you know, I ordered, you know, fast food and I got some candy.

And then that was it. And I had 25 disturbances. Yeah, you got screwed. You tried to do the right thing. And the universe was like, bro, that ain't you? And you just had to go down your usual fat. So I'm trying. You're trying.

Are you down a few pounds? Yes, I am. Yeah. It goes so quickly when I change. Yeah. I am such an asshole with what I eat that when I even change it a little bit, my body, it starts So drop weight like nothing. Good for you, dude.

Thank you. I love the way to describe it. I'm such an asshole with the way I eat. I am. No, no, I mean, it's well said. Thank you. It is well said. I played a couple golf courses.

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Tyler asked one that I think relates to all of us. He says, do you guys post scores for your handicap normally when you drink too much during the round? Hold on. So do I just post all scores, no matter if I'm drinking or not? It's pretty much the question. Yep. Yeah, I do.

Any score, like any course that I play, I just enter the score, whatever it is at the end. Yeah, I agree with that. But I will say, I've thought that, like, man, this isn't fair. Because in theory, you should, like, you should err maybe on the side of not posting a higher score. Because if you're going to get more strokes against somebody, that's not really reflective of your actual handicap. Like, you know, so it's. I will say I play. the most rounds that I play, I have a couple drinks on the course.

Like rarely do I get like blacked out. I can't stand up on the golf course. So it's all kind of like in the realm of me going to play golf. I like, you know, I go out. I might have, I don't know, two, three drinks aside. And then I just post that score. Right. But he's saying if it's a, if it's a, where you drink too much.

So I would say an example would be like our second round at Cabot. When you're playing 36 holes in a day, you started drinking three or four transfusions at the first round. You had a little break in between. You drank three or four more. By the time you get to like the back 36, you're pretty cooked. And you're like, you're just out there to have a good time. You shoot like 88, a sloppy like 88. You're like, are you just posting that like a normal score? I do. Maybe that's wrong. I definitely do. I, yeah, ever since I've gotten the gin, I've put in every single round I've played. Aside from, I forgot to put in that one, the 50 at fucking, because I, I would, I, I, I, I,

I haven't played nine holes or I haven't gotten one rained out. It's like you don't input 10 or 11, like the holes that we played, Lurch. You just do the nine holes at Wingfoot. Yeah. So like I think like unless you have like a hole or two remaining, you like just take the nine holes. So I just put in a 41 at Wingfoot. That actually came as a 2.0 index, which is crazy.

But yeah, I think I'm not sure what the rule is. but like if you might have one hole to play, I think you enter, so you take, if I'm a seven handicap and it's within the top seven hardest holes, then I would call that a bogey, enter that score. And then you could enter the full 18. It says you must play a minimum of 14 holes

to post a full round, and then you just take your handicap score on the last, whatever it would be, four holes. Yep. And then you can post nine holes, and it'll actually pair up two different nine-holeers. Mm-hmm. Yeah, which is like even if they're just totally even golf courses

because it can do its own slope and rating it'll just pair them up into one round, I think. Yep. Yeah, because when we were in Boston, I play fresh pond, and you just go out, play nine holes and do it again, and they give you a handicap. Yeah. Mason says, and this one's for Trent,

he said since Phil technically won an event this year, does Trent win and collect on his bet that Phil would win post 50 years old? No. No? Absolutely not. And by the way, so he wings a backyard, with a football game, it doesn't count.

True, I agree with this. That's, now you're being mean to the senior tour. You're being mean to the Champions Tour there. And I can't remember. We talked so much on this show about everything that I could have swore I said that Phil Mickelson wasn't going to win. Like I thought I was on that side.

But have we talked about Phil Nicholson winning that Champions Tour event? Well, just being mean and going there and just absolutely dominated the old men. Crazy. crazy. He's going to do that every tournament he goes into. He's just a,

he is a just beyond his prime like PGA tour fucking player that's hitting absolute bombs. Like he's at maybe better physical strength than he was 10 years ago, Phil Mithlesson right now. Like he's, he's more fit, he's more jacked, he's thinner, he's hitting way further than he ever has in his life, right? Like arguably.

I mean, statistically, He's hitting him far. He's hitting him fucking far. He's going against these guys. I would look to see a stats on that, by the way. I mean, he's an average. He's playing longer balls right now. He's playing Fred Funk.

He's playing Brad Faxon. He's playing Colin Montgomery was in the field. Colin Montgomery. It's like, come on. The way he cut through that event was in the field. I mean, what are we doing here? Larry Mize was in the field. Yes.

I've got a bone picture, so I thought. So I try. He plays golf every year, I feel like is the masters when Larry Mize gets to like ceremoniously stroll around. Maybe he's tuning up for him. It could be, you know, he's got a couple months here. He wants to get his game into him.

But so I tried, well, I didn't do it perfectly, but I did Phil Mickelson's coffee thing where he puts his like salt, the cinnamon. And I actually did that over-salted my coffee. It is, I'm not a fan of that. Has anybody tried the pink Himalayan salt and coffee? Is that a cold brew? No. What the fuck are you talking about?

No, but I did look up his coffee because I was interested in trying it just to see what it was like. Yeah. But I never pulled the trigger on it. Like if you can go on Amazon, you can buy all the shit and make it. But first of all, it's not enough. Like his diet, he drinks one of those, and then that's the only thing he has for the whole day.

And also, I think that thing would just make me shit my brains out. Dude, I had to drink, like, eight extra cups of water to, like, balance me out after, like, a salted coffee. It was not. It's a pass for me. The way he went to that championship tour and the way he won felt very condescending. The whole thing just felt mean. Yeah.

I agree. It did. It felt like he was there to prove a point that like I don't ever need to be here playing against you people. But I did see a stat that the first place prize that Phil won was equivalent to him finishing like top four of the BMW or something, which he clearly wasn't going to do or top something. So financially it's not it's not crazy for him to just keep going and play. Why is your computer? you're doing that trick. He should have to, sorry, I was sitting the side of it. He should have to donate that money to charity. That money should go right to charity. If Phil Miggelson is going to go to these champion tour events, all of his prize money should be donated to charity. T5 was Steve Stricker and Rocco Mediate, tied for fifth. I mean, like, I mean, Rocco fucking mediate. It's been a while since we've heard about these guys. What's he hit at, 240 off the feet? I know. He's basically doing what Tiger did to his generation, but he's just doing it to the guys they're a little older than me here.

The next time Bernard Longer, Cecil Nicholson, there might be a fight. There might be a fight the way that he made this Champions Tour look. Could you imagine the senior tour is putting in Phil Mickelson T-boxes back there to lengthen the course to make it more competitive? They might have to. It is like, it reminds me a Seinfeld when it's like somebody's been holding down that shuffleboard court

for like decades down in Del Boca Vista. And here comes the new hot shot in town. And they're just not fucking happy about it. and it's Phil Nicholson with his stupid sunglasses on. It bombs all over the place. I could get behind it. It is mean, but I could get behind it. It's such a new look for Phil.

Okay, we've got Phil, who says, could Riggs or any of you beat an 80-year-old Jack Nichols? What do we think he's shooting? First off, Riggs or any of us, I mean, like, I think I'm the top guy on a podcast right now. Oh. Well, I'm a lower handicapped than you are, right? Are you really right now?

Let's check them. I think I am. Whip them out, boys. Oh, boy. Let's see what I am. Let's see what I am. I'm currently a 5.9. Wow, you're better than I.

So it's rigs than any of them. I would say on a 6-2. Damn it. That really backfired. Never should have. Ooh, it's close. We're very close, though. I would say.

Yeah, I'd beat his ass. No. No way. What do you mean no way? I think no way. I think he'd beat all of us. Depends what distance you played for. If you played from like 7,200 yards, I think there's a good chance.

But if you play from like an average like 63, 6,400, he beats you probably like three and two. I mean, dude, didn't he like a couple years ago, wasn't he like under par in the part three tournament at the fucking master's? Yeah, I think he was close. Are you talking about the year where his grandson hold that whole and one? Well, it plays in it every year, but I thought, like, within the last couple of years, he was, like, three or four under in the part three contest. Okay. But even with that in mind, even if it's a couple of years ago, we're talking,

these are the late years. So if he was 76 when that happened, he's 80 now. And that's a big difference in terms of mobility, how far. He's a Jack Nicoling. Doesn't matter. He's 80. Have you ever seen an 80? People who are 80 years old, they're barely hanging on.

I don't know what the hell's going on. His warranty has expired. He's no going back now. It's over. He's got nothing left. His body's breaking down. He's 80 years old. We're already talking about Tiger not being, like, in 10 years you won't be able to

swing. This guy's 80. Oh, dude, he beats us. I just Googled Jack Nichol's current golf swing. It's when he's 78. he rips the ball rips it I mean

he beats us he kills us I shot 50 at wingfoot on the front he kills us I think he destroys every one of us not even close how often do you think he plays a full round of golf anymore let me watch this video

I would tell you're probably playing a full round not much, but I bet you plays nine holes all the time. I think you guys are really understanding the difference between 76, 77, 78 to 80. He's pretty good over the ball. Let me tell you. Yeah, I mean, his action, like, hasn't changed. He's just old as fuck, but he still, you know, like,

Wow, he stripes the balls. Holy moly. We'd lose badly. I think three and two would be a generous score for us. I think it's closer to, like. would definitely lose. I'm not, I'm not saying all this to say that I would beat him because I definitely wouldn't. But I think, like, Lurch and Riggs, if you guys get hot, I think there's a chance. I think us playing, like, our, like, our best player in our podcast, whoever that is,

playing, you know, around, like, their average solid round of golf, I think Jack wins, like, seven and six. Yeah. Yeah, as someone, and now, there's only two, there's, this video that Lurch said this only has 2,000 views on YouTube, and there's, like, two comments on it. And one of the comments from this user on YouTube called Peanut Butter said Jack shot a par 72 at Augusta at age 77. So that could be a frankie fact because there's literally no way of knowing if that's true or not. But if that is true, then he's fucking playing elite golf at the age of 70s. That's true. None of us make it to the 12th hole.

I think it'll just be an absolute drop. Right. And like you got to think Jack's in this situation. Like he wants to win. He's just going to figure it out. He's going to just win. He's Jack Nicholas. We suck.

How far you think that shot's going? Like 240, 260, which is probably all he needs. I'd probably say closer to 240, but like his next one is going to be dialed up and he'll run it up the front of the green or whatever. He's elite on the greens. Elite.

We're also, we're talking about how Lurch played like the best golf we ever seen. He shot 41 on the front. Like that was going crazy. Lurch would have beaten Jack and Nicholas on the front night of Wingfoot. That's a fact. I just, too long. I just don't think that's correct. Dude, Jack Nicholas never would have gotten out of that rough.

We'd have to get an ambulance on the fucking third hole for him to get out of there. Honestly, dude, there's no way, man. There's no way from that length. That was too far, too windy, too thick. That's a, it's a problem. Like, he couldn't, it's a health wrist. Like, couldn't get the club through that rough. The first hole he wins, he doesn't make double on the first hole.

So the first hole, he's just one out. He loses the second hole because Lurch made birdie. Yep. Third hole Lurch made a bogey. Like, there's a good chance he wins that hole. Yeah, or a half. That's one of the harder holes in golf. But yes, I agree.

He's got advantage. He certainly doesn't lose that hole. He's closer to winning than losing. So he's like a half hole up. The next hole I made, the next hole I made par. He probably makes par. Like, I don't, I agree. He's Jack Nicholas.

So, you know, I just. I just think. I'm conceding. I think he beats me. And I think at Wink 40, before he won to. Like, imagine him in our group there.

You really think he's like, I don't know, man. I mean, dude, I've never won a golf tournament in my life. He's won everything. Oh,

obviously, but he's 80 years old. I'm not talking about Jack Nicholas when he was fucking 30. But then like around the green, he's just going to get it in the hole, dude. That's like the only thing

that I can really tell about pros. is they just get it in the hole so fast, so much better than anybody else. And he's going to putt probably lights out. He beats us. Well, we're putting the challenge out. Jack Nicholas, if you want to face us, bring it on.

And if you want to play, we're down. So we'll do that video for sure. Riggs, I'll carry your bag. Since the question was directed to you, it's Riggs versus Jack, and I'll carry your back. He would fucking destroy me. Imagine like Tiger would be rooting for us so hard.

You guys got to take down Jack. It would be a huge letdown if we didn't do it for Tiger. I was trying to think, like, crazy to me that you guys think Jack Nichols at 80 years old is going to go, like, let's say he plays like the tips from, let's say he plays a 7,100 yard course, hitting the ball 2.30, 240. Like how you think you guys wouldn't have a good match and let alone, like, beat him out there when he's an 80-year-old man who can barely get the ball out there. Yes, he can keep a straight. Yes, he's probably elite on the greens. Like, if you play his local country club, he dusts you. He shoots a 75, 74.

But you put him on a course in which he physically can't keep up. So that's what I'm saying. I think from 72, 7,700 yards. It's over. We have a good chance. But from like your average, because he probably played Augusta from 66. Then it's done. 65 members T's.

Dude, so then I was just thinking in my head, I was like, dude, let's go back to 7,600 yards. and let's get Jack, Larry Mize, Bern-Langer, and we'll do a four-play scramble versus the senior goal would be one of the funniest things of all times. Bernard Langer, they would kill us.

Yeah, right. Rangler shoots like 20 under every week. Dude, them as a scramble would destroy us. I know. They'd go 10, 15 under on the front nine. They would equal every hole. Like, our Langer is sick. Right.

He's a German machine. He's an assassin. Yes. That guy has been done. destroying like 60 year old men for fucking 20 years, I think. So what if you had, do you think if we played from 7,600 yards and we played Jack, Gary Player?

Gary Player. People that are like older and lost their distance, like, could we compete? Yeah, because we get a scramble. But they're scrambling too. It's the four of them versus the four of us, but we're way back there. Right. But our distance negates a lot of our poor accuracy. Right.

But that's what I was trying to go to. Bernard Langer's too young, too nimble, too agile. It's the too far. But I was trying to go for that age demographic and going for what the match, what the outcome would be. I think it's fairly competitive. Yeah.

But the thing is, they're so consistent as individual golfers that one of us playing them in a match, they would just kill us. Gary and player still shoots like, he shoots like low 70s all the time. He's 80 fucking three or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that.

I'm not saying we beat these guys. I'm just saying where we could compete with them. Yeah, it would have to be a really long course. That's the only play we have a chance. Forever. Here's another question. This guy, this is an interesting one. This guy, Justin, says,

if you were to place a ball on the green at the furthest point from every single hole at Augusta National, and that's where you start each hole, could you shoot even par 72 or better? Holy shit. Hold on, hon. Say that answer. Have you started on the green, but from the furthest point away? Yeah. Could you shoot even par better at Augusta? If you start on the green from the furthest part away, hitting one?

Yep. Could you shoot even par at Augusta National? I'm just thinking playing the ninth and not getting it to that plateau and it rolling like 50 yards off the green. Also think about how many times you're done a two-putt and make it. You don't think you're going to put two put two or three times. You don't think you're going to lag one up there two or three times and make two eagles or three eagles. I think I break part. I think I break par.

But I think you can go six under and three holes just from getting lucky. Just from getting lucky. No, I agree. I do think though there's certain, like when you're, you know, there's also four par three's out there. So you have to two put every one of those or you make bogeys or doubles if you four put like, you know, or whatever. you'd make a you make very high scores like think about the 16th hole 16th hole if it's that Sunday pin and you start on the very front edge like how are you going to get the ball even close I mean you might put it into a bunker I mean yeah you're going to have a trouble there

and then like you're saying lurch if that pins like front left on nine on the ninth hole and you start on the back right edge of the green like kind of like tigers punt that he like you're putting it off the front now hitting your second and you have a putter in your head like what are you you gotta do? Yeah, you can't play that hole. If the pins in the front, you legit can't really play that hole because you're just going to put it away. And he's so humbling to get beat up by a golf course, only on the Greens.

Like you want to play that golf course so badly, but then it's like, what are we doing with the rest of this real estate if we just get our asses kicked by the greens? I do think, like, Frankie's right. Like, the par fives, par fives, you should be able to eagle every one of them at least because you just try to lag it like 10 or 20 feet below the hole. and then two putt from there and you make an eagle. But the part three is you're going to make bogeys or doubles probably. Part three is you're going to make bogeys.

Also, if it ever happens, like in a round of golf where you kind of feel like you've lost the pace of the greens, it's the biggest nightmare in the world. Like the third hole might be the hardest green in all of the world. And I just don't see myself three putting that green. Like there's going to be some humbling moments. Now, what do you think the highest putt is, like, that you make? Is it like a six putt?

you think you have a six putt? No. I do think, I think you'd shoot somewhere in the... The green's not made out of lava. You can still get the ball in the hole at some point. Right. Well, like, on...

It doesn't disappear into the middle of the green. I mean, the ninth hole, you put it down the front, it goes 20 yards off the front, and then you give it too much oomph and you're above the hole. Then you're just... Think about the greens we've played in the world.

We've played, like, we just played wingfoot. A four putt feels like an eternity of putts. Imagine a six. Like a four putt feels like you've been on that green trying to attempt to get in that ball for two years. You can't believe you're still attempting. When I'm on a four putt, everyone's like, oh, they're making noises. Like, oh, God.

Yeah, you would do it. You'd probably shoot in the 50s or high 40s, I think. Like, because what, 54 would be a three putt in every hole. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, yeah, I think you'd do better than you think. But it wouldn't, there would not be many two puds.

you would not be many two putts. But you just have to average a four putt and you, and you shoot even pot. Right. We can do that. I want to do that at, I want to do that, I want to do that at Wingfoot because I think those greens are fucking

diabolical. They are. They're just as crazy as they're just as crazy. They're amazing, those green. That's a fun thing to do. Really two put the first. Like, that's a three putt. Yeah.

It'd be a good challenge. It'd be a really good challenge. I think the more I think about it, it'd be somewhat close because you're going to bogey and double bogey a decent amount. Like the par three is you're going to bogey. Well, just that three putt would be a par. Yeah, you're going to four putt, a couple parthers. Ah, I don't know.

Like 10, like from the furthest part at that wing foot, you can get that in three or four pot. It's like worse you come away with a bogey. And that's like one of the best part threes like in the world, right? Like, so it's like. That whole's amazing. I don't fucking know, man. I would like to do it, though.

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He says, just give me one of those gas powered old school ones with no speed governor on it. And I am golden and good to go. And I have to agree with it. Well, I love the fancy new ones with all the GPS and all the fancy technology where you can play music and they got speakers. When you get an old school gas cart like they had over at Tanglewood where I played yesterday and there's no governor, there's no windshield. There's nothing on the damn thing. It's just old school gas and you let it rip. going down hills and shit while a little bit dangerous is an absolute real ride and you can go anywhere on the golf course without it doing the stupid stop and go and reverse thing and you know you're at a muny where it really doesn't matter that much i'm all in on gas carts um gas carts are a little i'm happy that the invention of electric carts came around gas gas carts are my like memory of growing up and playing golf like getting in a gas cart was like a huge thing i felt like i was driving a car with my dad was like the coolest thing ever like hitting the gas here in the

gas rumble and like you can smell the gas it's like a go-cart but now that i'm older and like i'm i play a lot more golf i feel like that when you get a golf cart that makes zero noise like a fucking like the tesla of golf carts there's no better feeling because you know that like you can drive it around you're not going to bother anyone knowing you hit that gas or sometimes it's a squeaky it's a squeaky stop and then you got to hit the top left part of the break just to to lock that in sometimes you do that in someone's back swing and you're like oh or like you're next to a green you don't even realize the cart shouldn't be like an issue for that stuff sometimes the cart makes it the the cart wants to get its 15 seconds of fame out there it's a little loud it's making beeping noises you leave it there starts rolling down the hill it's making the be give me the ones with the auto brakes all that shit couldn't me i like all the

you like the governor on the cards the auto brake i like the old break like on the hills you know like you don't have to hit the you don't have to stop in for the break i don't want to have to always kick that thing in if i can just get out of the cart and it auto blocks that's fine. What I hate is the one where it's like you're too close to the rough, you got to back out. I hate that. Oh, that's, that's straight from like communist China. That that's, they don't let you drive where you want it. Like, it's crazy. I mean, I'm not going to go across the fair, like the rough or the, I'm not going to go through a fescue or through a pond like a crazy person. You don't need to, sometimes they're just wrong. They're just flat out wrong. Yeah. We should actually get in his business because there are, there's, there's good carts with the technology and then the simplicity of the old card is great because like when they

give you the little USB plug in really nice feature. Oh, yeah. The silent cart, the whole thing. But the control of the GPS where you have to like you go someplace and then you have to back up. But you don't even, you can even back up but circle and like go in the same direction that you want. You can like back up in that same way as long as you're going backwards. All that stuff sucks.

The big things for me in a golf cart, comfy seat, USB parts are. real nice plus and then also for an easy of the easy experience with a parking brake when you're doing the stomp kick stomped kick waiting for it to catch is awful so if that's really easy and it's a great card i haven't had many where i've had a u sb port i i maybe less than three that sounds like a delight oh yeah because a lot of times to trend they're hidden like you wouldn't notice it there they've got like this little hatch that you have to slide around so you might have had more than you thought and you just didn't notice them. But the USB port is,

I mean, you almost have to have them everywhere now. Like, if you book into a hotel room or something like that that doesn't have just a USB thing, it's like, what fucking planet are you living on? This is 2020. But how about those fuckers at Apple that have those new, the new chargers are USBC now? Oh, I got one here. Now, they're fantastic chargers. They charge, yeah, they charge the, like, where do you plug that thing into?

this is I so I got say that's not compatible with anything in the well well I have the wall is that Trent what is that I have the wall plug so you've gone back in time right so we just said like hotels need the USB cords and the USB ports and you're like yep they do there's nothing worse when they don't you're like golf cars need the USB course now all of a sudden we have this new technology USBC and we have the docking station but we're not able to utilize all this technology the golf carts with the USB course that thing doesn't plug into anything. But what I will say, that doesn't have a USB.

That's the small USB now. What I will say, what the fuck is that? Apple sucks. You plug this thing in. I plug my phone in at 8% it's at 30% in two minutes. Yeah, it's crazy.

It charges the phone like you wouldn't believe. It's just, oh, I didn't know that. It's instantaneous charging. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. That's that change. Well, I take my comments back.

No, I will. say. I have that charger. I know you're out there. I didn't say Apple sucks. I like to give these things time to breathe. I didn't know it's like a supercharger. It's a supercharger, but you have, you're stuck with it. And you have to plug it into walls and it's a nightmare. You can't plug it into cars. You can't do anything. That's actually not true, Frankie, because you and I rented a car one time. And it had it. It had it. Yeah. That was a 20-20-1. That didn't take long. That didn't take long. That's true. It was a newer car. It was a newer car. I also going back to the cards conversation, I don't mind the governor. I don't need all that speed out there. I don't need to be like, figures. Watch the weather come in on the porch.

I'm just saying, like, I don't need to be speeding around out there. A nice governor, you put it to the floor, and it gives you a nice speed, you go to your ball. Oh, man, I like him with a little jump. I like him with a little jump. I made a comment.

I was in a golf cart today. I said, this thing I's fucking jump. To the point where we thought that the place that we were in the carts actually modified them to make them go faster. Like I was in a, we were in a quick little cart today, electric. I like you. You put it to the floor and you don't have to worry about going crazy.

I will say it's nice to have a governor when someone else is driving who you don't necessarily trust. Some people are reckless drivers. And if they don't, if they don't have a governor, you're just standing there like clinching your cheeks a whole time. That's not a funny career. Coming from Mr. Ten and Two driver rigs, just slow. No casual, no speed to him.

Is that a dig at me? No. That has nothing to do with you. I mean, you took it as one, so what's that say about you? No, I figured it was coming in my way. And I have a producer, can I have a producer Jake question for the fans? Sure.

So I've noticed that a lot of the Barstle classics, when the, like the staff, they give us their golf cards, they're significantly faster than golf carts you would ride at a golf course. Is there like a function that they, they can like turn off how much electricity or gas goes. So like staff cars are faster. You can take off the governor. So a lot of times, a lot of people too know this.

You can lift up the seat. And then there's certain little, depending on the cart and the maker, or you can like detach some things or just flip a switch and turn off the governor. And then you can just fly around the golf club. Seems dangerous. Well, in theory, if you're part of the staff, they think that they can trust you more, that they can trust the average golf.

I would never, like, try to, imagine trying to take off the governor. I'd rather just be, you know, going at a slower speed and lifting up the fucking hood and trying to make the car go faster. Me and Trent, a couple Midwestern guys just kind of coasting around out there. It's not a drag race out there. This isn't fast a serious. Like, we're playing golf. Like, who cares if I get to my ball two seconds sooner?

Like, who gives a shit? I agree. That's not a fair point. But, you know, I hate Elon Musk. You don't like efficiency. You don't like speed. You don't like getting places faster, easier, better.

Well, you better get rid of all you people who fucking love Elon Musk. Get ready. He's going to put some wire in your brain, and he's going to take over the entire human race. So get ready for that. So you're telling me you wouldn't take that chip in your brain if it made you better? Why would you, you would be okay with putting a chip in your brain? My brain is so fucked up right now and so masterfully.

We need a chip in that brain. I need electrodes, fire, and I need synapses. I need a little help up there. I do. I really do. Yes, I would take it. Yes, I would take that. I feel like I'm living in a movie where now it's the point where we're all agreeing to put chips in our heads.

The only problem I read about what Elon Musk is doing is that virus, like, attacks and like this, what's the term for it where it's like you can hold it hostage, like, someone. one's like software where like ransom like ransom viruses are like a huge thing now and like um they like hold these people like these huge companies data for ransom and that's anonymous can can get it i'm actually a little afraid of even talking about it right now i almost want to delete this part of the fucking podcast like it can do this shit and then yeah i actually don't even want to talk jay can we delete that can we can we stop to i don't want to get anyone do you think yeah no i no i no i yeah I don't fuck around with that shit. Do you think there's like a dark web warrior out there who's also a big golf fan who's listening to Forepoint?

Yes. Yes. Who's like, oh, watch this, Frank? My point is that people are afraid that you can get your brain hacked, like if you put a chip in it. Uh, yeah. No shit. Someone could legitimately like fuck around with your thoughts, right? Like if this is like helping you, like remember things or like it.

And someone hacks that, you will be, you're done. You're dead. They can walk you off a bridge if they want to, right? Like, they can do whatever the hell they want. Elon Musk hooks one of these things up to one pig, and everybody's getting in line to have a chip put in their head. It's crazy. But, like, Frankie is talking about, like, he read, like, a couple articles,

and he knows all the side effects of putting a chip in your brain. Like, no, I'm a pass on a chip in a brain. Instant pass. Yeah, we're not a technology podcast. Actually, I would love to put a chip in Frankie's brain. I mean, if you're open to it, let's do it. I'll do it. I just need like,

you know, I'm going to Stanley Cup, I'll put a chip in my brain if it becomes accessible. You just need like an interior designer type chip to just kind of like organize your brain. Yeah. I don't think,

I don't think you're that far off, but you, it's just disorganized. I've, I've had, I've completely fallen apart on PGA Tour 2K21. Since we've been doing this podcast, I've uninstalled the game,

and I've reinstalled, installed it and now I have no Wi-Fi attached to my Xbox and I'm at zero percent for the last hour. I just want to play. It's the best game I've like ever owned and I just want to play it all night tonight. I want to play it all night. I want to play society events. I want to play everything. I want to get better and I can't. With that, with that I think we should end the show. I think with Frankie going into depressing my video game won't work mode, I think we've had enough. Join the society. We've got 50,000 people. We're working on all these tournaments, majors. We're working on building a world.

I'm not even going to expand onto that. We're working on building a world that is dealing with PGA 2K20, PGA 2GA 2K21. We want to give you more access. We want to give you more stats. We want to give you more of a life inside the game. We want to bring some bar stool to it. So we're going to be working on that while I try and reinstall the fucking thing on my Xbox. And we're the join our society.

We're the queen golf club logo. Yeah, we have just a random ass logo. It's a Queens crown with a golf club and a flag coming out of it. I don't know how that hell we get up with that thing, but that's us, that's us. That's us, baby. So join us. Join us. Join our society on PGA Tour 2K21. Frankie will you get the game going again.

I think that's all I've got. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Quickly before we go. Oh. I played in a charity golf tournament this weekend. I just want to give a shout out to everybody that donated. I basically did something.

This kid I coach passed a horrible accident. But there was a charity golf tournament in his name, and I just did a couple stories, and we ended up raising about $7 or $800. So just a big thanks to everybody that gave as much as you could give. What's the, are you still open for donations or what? Yeah, I mean, I guess it's always open. I don't want to just continue to ask people.

It was just kind of a fun little thing during the story that I did. But yeah, this guy, Mikhail G. I used to coach Northeastern lacrosse and he was a player and passed during that time, but a good kid. And now there's a couple scholarships in his name and things like that. So if you do want to send a couple bucks, I'd be happy to send along to his dad to get it into the foundation. So feel free. What can they send it to?

My Venmo, I guess, you know, Ben-severance on Venmo and find me on there. But it's still up in my story and I can repost another story, just the cap at all. But big thanks to all those people because his dad is super appreciate it. and it's just a cool event so thanks again hell yeah appreciate everyone donating stuff lurch n dash chevrence venmo are you gonna congratulate me on the island is or no are we ending this yeah that's fine congrats man up three and one the series isn't over but uh congrats man that's great um super psych for you i'm not congratulating you because it's not over yet well exactly i love to congratulate someone early before it's over because then it's just like this why would i

why don't we congratulate. No, it's not about winning. It's not congratulating about winning. It's like we've made it as far as I've ever been in my life. That deserves some sort of congratulations. Like I'm, I'm experiencing it. I'm living it right now.

The funnest part is the ride, right? Like after you win, you win, it means nothing. I appreciate you prepping me for the ass clerks. You're going to say anything about my Highlanders? Just a real comment. I'll congratulate you if they make it to the Stanley Cup final.

That's fair. That's fair. Because they haven't won anything yet. I just enjoy the run. It's so fun when your team is like in it. They're a team of destiny. And Big Cat tried to troll them when he said that. And they lost the next game after he said it. And now they've rattled off three wins and rest.

It's like I really think that it's got that team of destiny aspect to it. The bubble I think has produced like tight-knit teams are going to go the furthest. I think that's what they are. You have to have the destiny stuff. You have to have it. Like, there's always something in there. So I do think that they have that. They have that, like, charm.

Yeah. And so, look, I love the Islanders. So I'm rooting for you, but I will not congratulate you until I think if they make it the Stanley Cup final, it deserves congratulations. If they get past the Flyers, it's going to be an absolute fucking awakening playing either Boston or Tampa Bay. Those are two teams that I don't want anything to do with. But, you know what, if you make it that far, anything can happen.

guess. Yeah, they'll be underdog. I'll bet on them if they make it that part. They'll be underdogs for sure. We'll see. Shout out Brock Nelson, two goals last night. Full Nelson was on the back page. Shout out Devontase. He's a... All right, hit it hard, boys. This was a pleasure. I'm not doing it. I love Devontes. I'll say I had Devontees. What's up Devonte. What's up to Devonte's? What's up to Devonte's? Yeah. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.