Fore Play - Remaining Undefeated, The All Day Hole-In-One Challenge, & Tales From Arizona

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

After a string of heated scramble battles in Arizona, we remain undefeated (vs the PGA tour) and live to breakdown our matches vs Pat Perez, Joel Dahmen, and Paige Spiranac, Chelsea Pezzola, Melissa Mabanta, and Dustin Shafer. Then we discuss the 2020 U.S. Women’s Open, Matty Fitz winning on the European Tour, and Tiger & Charlie Woods teeing it up this coming weekend. Finally, we finish debating if our entire crew could get just 1 ace swinging at a 150-yard par-3 sun up to sun down!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We have returned. Everybody has gone back to their humble abodes from our Arizona trip, which was quite successful. We are brought to you by Barstall Sports, and we are also brought to you by our very good friends at Owens Mixers. We created the transfusion a drink we've been talking about for years on this very show. We taste tested it. We came up with our own concoction, our own mixer with Owens Mixers, and boom, now you can get it.

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It's that simple. Okay. We have returned. We got a lot to break down from the U.S. Women's Open, which just finished on Monday with a, with really a pretty heroic performance. We've got the Rue Cup. So the Rue Cup continues from Australia.

We filmed, I believe it's five total travel shows. We've got out the four. the fourth. So it's all square, it's all tied. And we've got a huge match at Barmbudel, Tasmania, along the water. So that's coming out 8 p.m. Eastern Tuesday night. We'll be in the chat. Frankie loves the chat. He was in the chat all week this past week. Love the chat. And then a quick little programming note. We'll be doing two episodes a week throughout the entire year and then just next year and then just forever. So I know Christmas is is coming, New Year's is coming. We don't really care. We're just going to keep doing two shows a week.

So that's not going to change at all. I know in years past, maybe we've put out some best of stuff. We might whip up a little bit of best stuff because they're fun, but it will not just be a solo best. It'll be an episode in which we sit here and do our damn thing and talk about golf. Anyways, we've returned from Scottsdale. I'm still here, but you folks have gone back to the East Coast. The biggest takeaway and kind of the main thing that needs to be discussed from the trip

is that we are now 3-0 undefeated against the P.E. PGA tour. We have not lost. We have played Kevin Kisner, who's currently, I believe, 25th in the world of golf. We took him down. We took on Pat Perez, who's a three-time PGA tour winner. Imagine going up against these fields, 156 players, how good everybody is on tour. We talk about it all the time. That guy's won three times. And then Joel Damon, who's up in coming. He's had some really, really good performances. He's going to be on the PGA tour for a long time. We are 3-0. We are undefeated. The entire premise of this original thing was, hey, can you four clowns that do this golf podcast playing as a four-man scramble,

can you beat a PGA tour player? Not only can we beat a PGA tour player, we're going to beat fucking all. We're undefeated. We are undefeated, and that's great. That's huge. But what I do want people to know is that, because I'm afraid we're going to start getting this perception that it's easy to beat PGA tour players because we're now three and O against the three that we've gone up against.

But if you look back, we beat Kevin Gisner on 18, we beat Pat Perez on 18. and I believe we closed Joel Damon out on 16. So these are matches that go pretty much the whole way until the end. So I don't want people to start being like, well, you guys are just proving that it's easy to be a PJ or tour pro because it's not. We are grinding during these matches. They are tough matches.

There's breaks for them. There's breaks for us. It's very, I mean, it's not easy. So I don't want people to think that it's easy to do because it's not. Yeah. And also, it's like if you take four scratch golfers, obviously they're going to beat one guy. But you're taking two five.

is a 10 and a guy who's never broke 100 before. So like it's the perfect recipe for a competitive match. These pros are going out there shooting five, six, seven under on their own ball because they're fucking phenomenal golfers. And we have to string together one shot out of four of us to play shot for shot with a guy like Pat Perez. He's going to hit the ball down the middle. He's going to hit the ball on the green.

And he's going to make the put. And we have four chances with our four horrible, disgusting swings and lack of practice and preparation to try and stay shot for shot with a guy like Pat Perez, Kevin Kessner, and Joel Damon. It's not that easy when you break it down that way. If you take four legit golfers, they'll beat anyone, they'll be Tiger Woods. It doesn't matter. But our makeup is like we have four different golfers and four different categories of the game of golf. And it's the perfect recipe for a competitive match. It just works for us. Yeah. And we call ourselves the one hit wonders all the time in these videos. And that's because it's true. I feel like,

Eight times out of ten, we have three guys that are just off the map on any given shot. And then one guy will heroically come through and get one. That happens all the time. So like you're saying, Frankie, if it was all scratch, would they just be hitting the green, hitting the green, hitting the green, hitting the green, hitting the green, and they'd have a put at it. With us, it's all over the place. It just so happens that the four of us, when you combine us all together, put us all against

one PJ Diorpro, somehow, some way over the course of 18 holes, we put it all together and barely eke out of wit. It's incredible to this point that we haven't taken, like, we haven't had to, like, re-up on the T and just fucking refire. Like, it's, to me, that's a stunning fact, because when you go back and look at, like, Trent starts off and he dubs one into the shit. And then, like, I'll go and I'll hit one way right. And then Lurch goes and he hits one off the planet. It's like, well, well, now we have a chance of legitimately hitting three off the T. And then somehow Riggs gets it on the middle, like, just on the fairway or in the rough and we're fine.

It's always like, okay, now we're fine. That's happened for three straight matches, almost every single hole. I would say, too, at True North on the Pinnacle course, it was as true as it's ever been because that is Target Golf, and if you miss the grass there, you're out of play. It's not even close. It's not a consideration. You're just out of play. Now, at Pioneers, it's pretty much like it's tree line and there's, you know, you're going to

find your ball. And at Mesa, it was, it just wasn't really a lose-your-ball type of environment. If you hit one in the trees, it just fell to down. At Trundrude, there were instances where three balls were legit out of bounds routine and just one of four hit the ball in play. And we were, see you later. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if all four went 280 yards down the middle.

We just needed one. And so, you know, I've been thinking a lot about, like, are we doing something that is actually just really easy? And think about how well we actually have had to play in order to, you know, get the wins that we've gotten. And think about the fact that, like, every single time Pat Perez basically teed off, he was in a better position than we were after the second shot. So then from, like, far away that he is, we somehow, between the four of us, have to hit a better second shot than he hits.

And then somehow between the four of us, like, have to hit a better putt than he hits and do that throughout a four-and-a-half-hour round in order to win. And we've just been able to do it. Like in terms of making bogeys and stuff, like we really should. We've made like a couple here and there. But we're going to make less like bogies, I feel like than they are because we do have the four chips and the four puts. But overall, when it talks about like making birdies and shooting in the mid-60s, like we just, like we simply have to hit the ball closer than they do from farther away or hit better puts than they do. And all four of us are worse iron players.

All four of us are worse putters. Yet somehow one of us is going to do it. Like that's not a fucking guarantee. and we've barely won. It's like we've played out of our dicks to win these matches. Also, those three shots prior or two shots or one shot, wherever you are in the order, has nothing to do with your swing.

When I step up behind Trent and he just knocked one into a bunker, everything that just happened meant nothing. Now it's just my regular golf shot. And then when I just hit one in the rough, nothing matters to lurch. Like none of that shot affected him. Like, oh, well, you have four. Yeah, I mean, like, we only have one.

each of us only have one. Right. What does that mean? It's not deal or no deal. Like there's not like a certain number of suitcases. It's just, we just have to hit a good shot. You have to do.

It doesn't affect it at all. It's just the, you're just still unlikely to hit a good shot. Correct. We've seen we have the perfect group to make it competitive, not like we're like Tiger Woods, like 2001 blow the fields away.

Like we are in these matches, like grinding out every stroke possible that puts us, somewhere in contention of like a top 20 golfer. Like we don't have the group that's going to blow anybody out of the water because we're all scratches. We just have this very like average group of guys that somehow scrape it together. And I agree. The fact that we didn't lose a ball at True North is maybe the most shocking statistic of all time.

Like if that was on the Marshall Sportsbook, the odds on that would have been incredible. Because one time I got lucky. Yes. And the third one hit a rock dead center, hit a drive, or probably the drive, only went eventually 150 yards because it hit a rock square and just came right back to us in the fairway because everything, every other ball wasn't even potentially to be found. Like it was so far off the map that it was in somebody's coffee cup sitting on like the eighth hole that was just so far away. Right. Yeah. We never had to re-tee, but we probably lost 40 balls that day.

I said 36 on the 18. Like I couldn't believe how many balls were like, plan it, planet, planet. One time I hit one so hard and low that I thought it was going to maybe blow up a rock, and it just never made a sound. So I don't know if it found a snake hole. It had to have your ball. Your ball, and everyone said that thing was going to come back 4x faster than it went into the rock, and it was going to come right back at our crew of 15 people standing on the tee trying to film and hit golf shots.

That would have been a hazard. That would have been a problem. And instead, it just disappeared into the rock, which is good because we would have gotten hurt. But, yeah, I mean, look, we've now done. again, the original premise, the big argument, and for folks to now, and this is what always irks Frankie, and he's dead on about this,

people want to change the goal post. People want to change their argument. The original debate was like, can you four, who the internet sits there on their little Instagram comments and chirps about how we're all 40 handicaps, none of us can play, how do we have a golf show

when none of us are even able to hit the golf ball in the air? But watch CBS. There's a lot of good golfers on CBS on the weekends. They would say, and they continue to say, you clowns cannot go out and even close as a four-man scramble compete against PGA Tour Pros, Kevin Kisner's, Pat Perez's, Joel Damon's. Well, guess what? 84% when we put that Instagram pull up like the day before we played Giz, 84% said we were going to lose and we won.

And not only have we won once, we've won three times. Now, we've done five of these scramble matches. We never claimed at the beginning, never that we are the greatest scramble team in the history of the world. That's unclear. We could be the greatest scramble team in the world. We could not be. Did we get defeated by Paige and the girls and Dustin? Well, guess what? Like the Bulls, like one of the great teams of all time. What do they have that year? Ten losses? Like the 2016 Warriors had what? Nine losses? Like, you're going to lose. Like, you're the best teams of all time lose. It's just like what, Jack Nicholas lost at 80% higher than 80% of the time.

He just lost when he teed up in the event. So are we the greatest scramble team of all time? It's unclear. Did we ever? claim that we're the greatest scramble team of all time? No, did we claim that we could go and defeat PGA Tour pros as a scramble team? Yes, and so far we have done. Correct. Yes and also no, depending on what show you listen to. Because we would say yes, and then we would say no, and then we would do it and we would somehow win. But we even go back and forth ourselves, but the original challenge was, can you guys beat a PGA to a pro? We had 84% of doubters. And even to the surprise of ourselves sometimes, we have one. We have one. We have

won all these matches against PJ Tour pros. I sit back right now and I'm totally shocked. Sorry, Frank, but like, I'm totally shocked that we're 3 and O against Pap Perez. I mean, when, or sorry, three and O against the PGA pros and most notably Pap Perez in the last match because he was like, oh my God, because on the first tee, all four of us, I think, hit the fairway and hit really good balls. And he's like, there's no way I'm going to win. We saw him hit one golf ball.

We're like, we're in, you know, just a world of trouble. So I am, I'm sitting here amazed that we are three and oh with this. group of guys against PGA tour play. And when he threw the ball down and just didn't tee it up on the first hole, hit a three wood and just smoke one, two hundred and ninety yards right down the middle, we knew we were in for travel. He didn't miss really anything all day, maybe short-sighted a couple of things.

He also hadn't played that golf course since he was in high school, he said. He doesn't have his caddy out there. He's just playing by himself, just kind of fucking ripping around and trying to learn the golf course at the same time as us. He's like the third screwdriver before he arrived. I was a third screwdriver, but like never miss hit a shot. Like we play Damon, he mishit shots to the point where I don't know if they're going to let him back on the tour. Like I don't know.

Damon was so, so bad to like what I thought he was going to be. But then also at times was like phenomenal. Like he hit drives that were just laughable, how good they were. But like Pat Perez just hit a different type of ball. And that's not taking anything away from Damon. I think he's had a bad day. He was probably fucking drunk too. But like Pat Perez to me was.

that level when we're at like these PGA tour events and we go like on the drive range of the major and you're like holy shit dustin johnson's hitting balls like another level. Pat Perez was somehow hitting balls that made me feel that way. Well, it spoke to me like the handicapped police are truly idiots because if you saw Joel Damon play that day, he didn't have a stuff, he never would have made the cutlass and on it goes. But in comparison to Pap Perez, like the fact that they play, you know, in the same league just shows you like if somebody saw Joel Damon play, they'd be like, oh, no, he's terrible, he couldn't play, like no way he can make. What do you shoot?

Two under? One under. Something like that. So, yeah. But in that, but I'm just saying, like, the handicapped police would be like, no way you good enough to play with this guy, but they're just idiots, which. Let me tell you something about the fucking handicapped police and not to let them get to me because they get to me every single day. I can barely sleep at night. I mentioned the term and you lose it.

Well, the thing about, and all, and I, I thank everyone for watching these things, but that fucking chat, I jumped in that chat and that is one negative cesspool, man. I mean, I think we had some crazy names in that chat. I think, was it, AJ McCarran was in there. A couple other just like athletes. Charlie Hoffman was in there. The Seagull. It's not all bad. It's not all bad.

It's not all bad. But like, fuck, they're like, they'll watch three shots go not where we wanted to go. And then they'll see one shot go where we want it to go. And they're like, these guys suck. The other guys are horrible. They're not 10. You are now comparing.

And this is the idiots and morons that don't understand the handicapped police. They don't understand that you are now comparing all of our shots to a team that is six under in our fucking round. No, oh, you mean my individual game that day wasn't comparable to our team score? You mean I didn't hit every single fairway green and putt? Because you know what, guys? If I played my own ball, I wasn't shooting a 65. Sorry to break it to you.

Fucking breaking news. Frankie Braley wasn't shooting a 65 that day. That shot that I hit that went into the bunker, I would have just like went up there, hit it onto the green, made a bogey. Yeah, I'm going to shoot a fucking 87 that day. That's my game. That is my game. Like, we didn't use it because we hit one better because it's a,

fucking scramble. It's a fucking scramble. They compare every one of our shots to the other guys. It's like, no, like, yeah, I didn't hit the shot that we used. But I was just in the rough and like I would have probably made a par of bogey. Like, I'm a fucking bogey golfer. That's what I am. So it's crazy to me.

The fucking handicap place drove me nuts during the scramble because like they expect us all to be playing six under type golf. It's like, no, when you compare and combine all of our games as one cohesive unit, we are six under. Well, Frankie, look, the chats and the comment sections on the internet, I hate to break it to you, are indeed miserable negative.

It's crazy town. And you just, you know, event, you kind of got to block that out. I actually thought, I thought you did an amazing job this whole week of largely blocking out negative. I thought you hit the ball. Great. You made some puts. You made some huge puts. First time ever.

First time ever, which it was very funny when we went back through and figured that. out, but I do think in the Scramble against Page, Chelsea, Mel, and Dustin, I think that was the first time you made a punt. I think every match prior to that, the two matches prior to that, oh no, well,

what am I doing here? Country guys, and then the country guys. I forgot, I forgot they existed. The country guys. Up until that moment, I think I made a put during like maybe a couple holes into the page when I said. I think that's the first put that we used of mine. And going back, I think either

Lurch made his right before me or I just missed when it was my turn and Riggs made it. So there was always a time where it was just basically I didn't exist on the green, but it was good to find one. And maybe if we go back in the footage, we find one that I hit, but I really don't remember one before the third match. I think I went 0 for two in two matches. So there are a handful other takeaways I want to get into. I also, I want to bring up whoop.

WOOP has been on the forefront of this respiratory rate and how it relates to COVID. We're hopefully in kind of the last six months, 12 months of the COVID situation. We were talking about before the show. Vaccines are going out. There's trucks going out. It feels like a movie. It feels like a crazy scene from some pandemic type movie,

not a real life scene. Yet here it is. They're literally sending out like FedEx trucks and Amazon trucks are out there, like taking the vaccine out, trying to save the day. This is another thing that's saving the day. is whoop. They continuously tweet articles, stories from folks who wear the whoop band. They're analyzing the difference in your kind of standard respiratory rate and your current one. And that's been a phenomenal predictor with, you know, with very legit accuracy on people then deciding that

otherwise wouldn't have to go get tested for COVID, finding out that they do indeed have it. And then being able to quarantine, thus saving lives, not infecting others with the disease. This thing. We've been rocking them for, what, a year or so now? It's really, really good at teaching you and kind of training your brain with the data to understand recovery, sleep, how it actually affects your body, and it becomes kind of a challenge. It's like, I don't want to wake up another day in a row and have my recovery be in the red. I don't want it to be 7% when I get ready to go play this golf match. How can I do that? Well, actually, you know, when you get a certain amount of sleep, when you get consistent sleep, when you go to bed, and this thing gives you

a little notifications, your app pops up, gives you a little notice on your app. It'll say, like, hey, in order to really get back to this level of recovery that you want to be, tomorrow's a Monday, motherfucker, get your shit together. It's like, you need to get to bed by 11 and you shouldn't wake up until fucking seven or eight, and then you're going to be good to go. That's huge. That helps you. It's just having that in your brain, having like a target and a goal. Right now, if you go to Woop.com, you sign up for the six-month plan. It's zero dollars. It doesn't cost anything in charge up or to sign up for the six-month plan so go to woup.com get involved we've been on it for a long time we're gigantic fans of it and it's it's better and a good

addition it's the best wearable they're valued a crazy amount of money right now you know why because they have a phenomenal product rory jt four play all these guys are behind it you should get behind it as well same group of guys right there yeah mega athletes just mega athletes tour play in the same level we play in the same level so thank you remember when when we had Will on and you, one of the questions you asked him, I think about all the time, where you said, how do you know when you're ready just to send these things out? Just to know, like, when do you know that it's up to par and you know that it's going to perform, people are going to buy it, it's going to ship them, they're going to put it on their wrist,

and it's just going to know everything about you. Not only did they do that, but now it's a pretty good predictor of whether or not you have COVID, like they didn't even see that part coming, and now they're huge on the forefront of all that. This thing is just, it's just stunning to me. I love it. I can't imagine not having it now. Like going from not having it, I didn't know what my sleep was like. It's having it for a year.

I know where I'm at. And then if you took this away from me, I'd feel completely lost. Like, how do they know that the technology is just going to work on my wrist? Like, it's going to read my heart rate. It's going to like, how do they know it's just going to work? I know that they have testing and I'm going to live my life now reading this stuff. And I'm going to go about, like if I see my heart rate go up, my respiratory system, I'm going to think I have COVID.

I'm in a quarantine. Like, I'm listening to this thing. Yeah. That they just built in a fucking... You answered it with... I think... I mean, like, that's the...

Yeah, but, like, still, like, you could test everything you want on one fucking little thing, and then you just, like, make a million of them, package them in a fucking box and just send it out and be like, here you go, it's going to work.

I think about that. With airplanes all the time. Like, you can do all the science and you can create the physics and you're going to have the lift, but you don't really know that fucking thing is going to fly until you just go 400 miles

an hour down a runway and if it doesn't go up into the sky you got a serious problem right like they tested all those planes they tested they let's say they tested 50 planes all right they're all tested everything works but then they just have to make a bunch more of those and you are hoping in the duplication process that nothing else goes wrong they now it's all just going to work and that's like i could never be a part of something like that i'm just not smart enough and you can't you can't again you can't prove that it's going to fly until it just just flies. Like there's no... You know the thing that always gets in my head?

I'd be happy to teach you about lip. This has nothing to do with whoop, really? I mean, I guess it kind of does. But like, you know what? It always fucks me up hard. Is that like regular people set that plane up and like do things that we do every day, right? Like, some dude that has diarrhea and just fought

with his wife the night before is like tightening up the bolts on the bottom of the plane and like getting the gear stuff ready. Like, that dude's just like moping around. Like, He had a bad morning and fucking his favorite team loss last night. He ate a bad piece of fucking Bershute. Like he's just having a bad day.

And like I'm sitting in this fucking plane watching four Christmases for the first time laughing and giggling, 30,000 feet in the air. And this guy fucking just like, like who knows what he did? You know what I mean? Like who knows if he did the right thing? Like did he just do the right job? I don't know. Like we're just trusting him. Like I think about like the Islanders arena is going up right now.

And I'm watching a live feed. And guys are just like just smacking fucking bowl. bolts into the ground. Like, I know some of my buddies are construction workers. Like, they're just fucking idiots. Like, I know how much of a bag of shit I am. So, like, a different version of me is just doing all the work out there. Imagine me doing something that would affect your life.

Yeah. But not even just the work, though, but, like, all of the design and the engineering and all of these, the weight differences, right? Like, if this flight happens to have 120 ames on it, that's got a golf bag that's actually 57 pounds, when it's supposed to be, you know, the average luggage weight is like 21. Then they got to like redistribute the weight and other. And what if like they didn't get, you just don't like, you don't know until it flies. You just don't really know until it flies into the sky.

And that's the only way to test it. We can move on after this. But you've ever looked inside of a computer and like what's going on in there? Like how did how did human beings figure out? You're like if you open up the back of a laptop over a computer, it's just like this crazy put together like motherboard like how did we figure that out how did someone was sort of like me

at least a little bit you know we're humans we breathe my heartbeats I got blood run through my veins and then someone else just figuring out how to make crazy shit I don't understand that it's uh yeah Steve Wozniak it's all these fucking psychos that just figure out how to do it these little pings and I don't get it man

and honestly we broke I broke an SD card the other day it's sad I don't want to talk about it but I mean, I'll talk about it because it's a podcast, but it was really cold. We were fucking filming this winterization episode of Behind the Greens. It was fucking freezing.

I'm filming this guy excavating a bunker. It was fucking awesome shit. He's giving us his like, his, like what he's thinking. He's literally like, all right, I'm pushing this lever and this is what I'm looking for. I'm trying to push this dirt and make this whatever the wording he was using. And I went to go take the fucking card out and I had no feeling in my fingers. and I just snapped it just a hair. I'm like, oh, it's fine, just a casing.

We handed it to this guy, this surgeon, this, like, this SD card surgeon. He's like, it's going to cost you like $10,000 to fix this little card. He's like, I don't know what's on here. Is it like the cure to cancer or is it just some guy fucking making a bunker? Because it may not be worth it. He said he had to like open up this mini SD card. Open it up and like hook up all these tiny little fucking prongs

to these little tiny little fucking things, these metal things. and then you got to somehow rewire it through his system. I'm like, just keep it, bro. We'll find another video. I don't know. Like, just keep it. I don't want you. And then he's like, it may not have a work.

So it's, uh, yeah, I don't know how they figured it all out. If you open up anything, open up your remote control and change your phone. It's a nightmare. I mean, the wide web, like give out a shot. Any of that stuff. How are we even doing this? Right. You could give you just looking at you guys right now.

Yeah. Right. You could give this squad. a billion lifetimes and we couldn't get internet. Dude, that's on Nate Bargatsy's. Like, if I went back, if I went back in time, I would actually be stupider. Like, everything would be, I would be, yeah. People would be like, what is wrong with this guy?

Because he'd be like, oh, there's these things that fly in the air. Like, I'd do it. And he's like, I have no idea how to do that. So now you're just going to lock me up and probably like tar and feather me because I'm just like an idiot. It's crazy, man. If you took someone from the year from a hundred, You took somebody from 150 years ago,

and you just blindfolded them, and then you took them to an airport, and you had them just staying there in the middle of the airport, and they look out windows of both sides. We got these giant vessels that are made of fucking metal that you're telling me, they just go drive out there and then just fly into the air with like TVs on them and human beings that are all,

the only reason that us human beings are taking on this great risk, because we just want to go to the beach for, a day or two, they would just be like, what in the fuck? And then on top, they got loudspeakers, people got cell phones, computers. They would just be blown away. Show them a pencil and they may pass out. And the advancement never stops, right? Like, why not in 2003? Why didn't someone stand up and be like, well, this is as far as we can take technology? So we're just, we're going to live with 2003 technology from here on out. But no, instead, everything gets better, everything gets faster, everything gets small, then it gets bigger,

then I get smaller again. Like it's, I just don't, it's just fascinating to me. I feel like just a dumb meat vessel that is watching all this happen. And it's like, all right,

cool. I have no, I have no input. I don't add to it at all. I just get to enjoy it. And then I die. And then we complain. Yes.

About like, like on my iOS, I'm like, this box that they fucking created covers the send thing. And I have to flick it to the top of the screen. You know like the picture and picture now they have an iPhone. I'm like,

I have to move this thing while. watching my Netflix and texting at the same time. They tried to make it easier for me, but it's just too not. I don't like the placement of the box. Meanwhile, it's like that wasn't even a thing two days ago. It's true, man. This is true. We're all assholes.

Whoop. I don't know how they made it. I guess this was an average, the whole thing, but whoops, great. Go to whoop.com, get yourself a six-month plan. Okay. We've got, obviously, the scramble situation, we will have our programming plan. is to have the fully edited, Paige Spirannic,

Dustin Schaefer, Chelsea Pazola, Melissa Mabanda video out before Christmas, and then the other two, against the pros, against Joel Damon and against Pat Perez, will be out early next year. So that is the programming plan.

If you went on to our little Instagram page there, and you noticed that the live feeds were not there, that is because if you missed it in live, you will now be able to wait and you will get it on YouTube. That is what we're going to do. Watch a video. We don't want you to consume it from some iPhone. If you're going to wait and watch the whole thing,

we want you to see drones. We want you to see all the audio. We want you to see the highly produced video footage. So that will be out coming up soon. We've got a ton of shit that we filmed. So those are coming out. Keep your eyes and ears peeled. You'll see those.

Last thing, I mean, we haven't really touched on the loss. I mean, we did a little bit. But fucking page on the girl's like, did we have a podcast since we played them or no? No. Okay. So, I mean, they just are better than us at golf. And we knew that going in.

And that guy doesn't. just fucking hit them further than us. So when you just place three girls that can hit the ball better than us, tighter than us, and they can drain putts better than us in a place in which they are just closer to the hole than us, they are going to beat us. So I've gotten messages like,

well, you guys beat Papuarez and Joel Damon, but like the girls could too. Yeah, no fucking shit. They're like ex pro golfers. And they had a guy dropping them like fucking parachutes right next to the hole. They're going to beat us.

Like we never claimed to be. incredibly good golfers ever once. Let me say this too. I mean, they're all good, right? Like Paige, we'll get, Chelsea and Mel, like they play a little bit more fun golf.

They were out there laughing, having a good time. They had drinks going. They were a good time. Dustin, same way. Like, he's pretty similar to, he could really pipe the ball sometimes. Other times he's off the planet

for four or five holes in a row, whatever. Page Sprang is a gamer. She had been practicing for weeks. And she, you know, I would be curious to see, like, if she played her normalties, 62, 6, 6,300, whatever that may be, and we played from about 7,000 yards,

it would have been a match her playing her own ball. Like, she is a stick. She pipes the ball. She really only missed one fairway when she had a club slip when it was pouring rain, and that's because she was trying to pipe the ball and kill it because it's scrambled. Outside of that, she was hitting darts. She was chipping it close.

she was like at one point their best team chip would be a ball like 10 or 12 feet away and she would just be like can you get that ball out of there not even market just get it out of there because she knows there's no way I'm not going to chip this within give me distance and almost in the hole

did that every time so she I think and some people will respond to yeah no shit she's like a pro you know how much fucking hate she gets how many people just chirp her for all you do is show this or show that you don't have any she is a fucking player And she brought it.

She was very, very deliberate and into it and focused and coaching her teammates. And ultimately that team with her on it, like it would have taken a herculean effort for us to win. And we just didn't have it. We missed a few putts that we shouldn't have missed, made a sloppy bogey on the par three. And they're just better than we are. So I think that, yeah, that's that you have three people who overall are just better than we are at golf. Our biggest advantage was moving it back, which clearly wasn't an advantage. whenever Dustin didn't hit it great, like they were struggling.

But when he did, they were actually just farther than us a lot of the times and better than we are at golf in that distance, and we lost three and two. So that's just going to happen. And like one of the times that he missed the fairway, Page hit a drive like 250 and then hit a three wood to 40 feet and then drain the birdie put all by herself and we lost the hole. So who gives a fuck about where she played from or, like whatever she does on Instagram,

that girl can beat you and everyone else listening to this because she's just better than 99.9% of the people. Like if you take distance out of it, she's just better than all of us at golf. Everyone listening. Yeah, I told her to stop. I told her to stop complaining about the distance because none of us can do that in the group

where you literally, she made a natural birdie where she would drive her, three wood, cand of 30 footer. And none of us in this group can do that. So just stop complaining about distances because you're just better than all of us. She's like, I had to hit a three wood there and you guys are hitting nine irons. Like, but you hit it better than us, closer than us and drain the put. So what are you doing here?

Yeah, she's good. She's very good. And so are the others. And when you add that up, you know, I'm pretty sure that we lost. So it is what it is. We also practice on that course from the tips for like two and a half, for like two and a half weeks, they said like every day she was grinding, going to ranges, playing. She just, like, she really wanted to win that, and they did.

They destroyed us, really. We are 3 and O, to our players, and that was the original format of the series. So we're just, you know, that's it. We're undefeated. That's just what it is. They are. I mean, we are.

We are. We're still waiting for someone on tour to be able to take down the four-man scramble. I was thinking about, I was wondering about a format of, like, because, you know, we claim that as together we are complete golfer, but still we get like, we get four attempts at everyone, no matter whether that's the strength of your game or not. I was wondering how interesting and strategic it would get. If for like each shot, we only got to pick two of our guys to hit, like, and we got to choose. So if it was like, off the tee, it was like, all right, Trent's a machine and like,

Frankie's hot right out and hitting it far. So we're going to go with like Trent and Frankie that like one of those two will be in play. And then for Iron, if we had to be like, okay, lurch is on with his irons and, like, Frankie can really strive his iron. And then, short, it was like, all right, we're going to allow, like, like, lurch and, like, rigs to chip and then, Trent and, like, rigs to put, like, if, if, how, how much could we dwindle it down to prove and get as close to being actually one complete golfer as we could? Man, I think we'd get smoked on that one.

I agree. I think if we dwindle it down, whatever the- We barely won the last one. Whatever the lowest amount of dwindle is, that we would lose. Because we barely beat Pat Perez. We barely beat Kevin Kisner. We, you know, Damon didn't have it that day. We played okay. But I think if you even, if you start picking and choosing between the four of us for drives and chips, I think we lose.

Think about how good Pat Perez was. And we were like, holy shit, we're in trouble today. And then he started hitting like sides of greens and had long putts. He was making a ton of butts. But like, we knew that he was going to make par on some because he was just going to missed a birdie play because he wasn't that tight. The day we play a Dustin Johnson or Justin Thomas or a fucking filmick or whatever, like whenever we play that next level player, they are going to be within that proximity

of the hole every single time. And we're going to be standing there like four fucking idiots being like, holy shit, we need to now eat Dustin Johnson from 10 feet out every hole now. Like he's never going to miss a shot. Like we are, we have to keep the same, like the same, uh, format because we, we've yet to reach that level of golf. Kevin Kisser's top 25, yes. We also like hit it further than him. Like, we need to fucking figure out how to like be better at what we are right now because we have better competition coming up, hopefully.

Well, there's no, like, the dwindle us down would mean like there's like fat on the team that you could cut off. And there's, like, we beat Pat Perez by one lip out. Yeah. Like, like that, like there is no. extra on this team that we could get rid of. I wasn't saying that there's, like, fact that we could trim, I'm,

I'm wondering, like, how strong is the, we are together one complete golfer argument? Because in reality, we get four shots, not like, we're not choosing,

like, our best at that aspect of the game each time. We're just all four doing it. Right. Right. I just, I mean, certainly on a re-tee course,

we're smoked. We're just going to, to get. Like on yesterday's track, like there was so many times where we just had one ball left. And Perez said the same thing as Kisner, who said the same thing as Joel that was like, dear Lord, this is so frustrating that you're not giving me holes because there is one ball in play all the time. And the other three are just lost balls. They're just gone forever. Like you can't even play it from where we hit it. So I think if we were, were to do that or reduce the number of opportunities we have, I think we instantly just lose

on like the 13th hole. Dude, and think about this. Like on 18, we beat Pat Perez on 18. He lips out from like eight feet. We make it from like five feet. But if you look like Trent missed the green, Frankie hit one right and missed the green. I yanked one into the bunker left and was like plugged in a bunker. Lurch hit it to five feet.

It's like if Lurch just hits a bad iron shot, which you've done before, if you just like hit a poor iron shot there. Like, we probably lose the match. Like, Pat could make his, it changed everything. He just, like, we're trying to get up and down. We might hit our chip then from wherever the fuck we have to play from outside of his ball. And we'd be lucky to make one of ours. And he wins easily. Like, that's just one hole. That happened for 18 fucking holes straight. So it's just like, it is, it is crazy how close it actually is. And, you know, the one time a PJ tour guy didn't play well, we won on 16, which isn't like we just cleaned his clock. like we won on 16 and then the two times they played pretty solid like we won on 18 barely and

the kids we had to make a pot and and against Perez we had to dodge a lip out it's like we just we barely barely barely barely battled away I'd say through the first four holes with Perez is the most worried we've been because he looked so good he I call it ghost car now where it's it's the guy who is just the world record on whatever, you know, race track, you just see it going. That's what Prez was like. Dude, we all teed up drivers. I forget what hole it was. It was early on.

Third or fourth hole, we all teed up drivers. A couple of us hit a good one. Maybe one of us hit a good one. He didn't tee up. He just put a three wood. He just put a ball on the ground, pulled three wood, and put it like 25 yards further than all of us. That day, we thought we were fucked.

He struck the ball. His ball flight had such integrity on it. And that's what Lurch and I were talking about. That's what we were kind of, whenever our carts would be together, our cart and your guys' cart amongst the fucking 20 carts that are out there, we kind of those first five, six holes, we all were like, dude, this is different. This is this man that we're playing right now. And maybe it's because it was a little target call.

I don't know or he didn't necessarily feel like he had to like pipe it every time. But dude, he was just, he flushed it dead center and then was pretty much a guarantee inside of like 170 yards to have inside of 15 feet for birdie every time and then rolled the rock perfectly like he he honestly hit he maybe had two bad swings the whole day he had the one driver of the par five where he hooked it left and he made bogey and we won that one with a birdie and then he had the other par five in the back nine where he pulled one left and he barely missed like a 20 foot birdie pot of that hole and outside of that he just didn't miss all day he shot a five under 66 and that was with a lip out from like six eight feet on 18 that could have easily

been a 65 and that's with like a lost ball basically on a par five where if he just hits that in the fairway like he did all day makes an easy birdie that's a two-stroke swings. So like that's just a 63 right there without he was drinking all day hanging out like it was just he he hit the ball and you know I like afterwards I was texting a couple of texts for max homel and he's like yeah that's that guy's been out there doing it for 20 years. Like he's been top, you know, in order to keep your car to be on that level, like top 125 in the world for 20 years. He's like, yeah, that's why he's fucking good.

And we joke around. He's fucking around in his house, which is outrageous wife Ashley has created one of the coolest houses. Maybe the coolest house I'll ever go to him my entire life. We can talk about that. But like he's got his Jordan collections. He's booze and he shows up with screwdrivers and he's got his hilarious outfit on and he looks like he's wearing pajamas.

And you're like this guy. And then he's just a. fucking stripe show for four hours straight. He's a fucking pro. His house is outrageous. Yeah, he's a pro pro. His house is Vegas. It's a little glimpse of Vegas when you stop your fingers.

Like if you close your eyes, turn around, I'm in Vegas right now. It's one of the more unique houses I've ever seen in my life. There's lights. There's lights. There's music. The most ridiculous stupid view of all time. Like just the perfect little like fall off of a cliff and then just all of all of Scottsdale overlooking it and you see all the mountains in the background.

It is it is quite the set up. He's got a full tennis court with also a full basketball court. It's a playground and he's got this fucking, obviously everyone's seen the shoe room, but like the shoe room in person is laughable. I mean, I FaceTime like five people while I was inside there. Like we FaceTime KFC because he's a huge shoe guy. Check out kicks in the office. And he's just like, no way.

He couldn't believe. We floored him. He's like, who the fuck has this collection? Like, what is happening? It just kept going and going and going. Who else could have that kind of collection outside of Michael Jordan? Like, Michael Jordan. Yeah, I don't.

Like, honestly, who could have that? There's got to be like one or two guys. Like, you know who probably comes to mind is like Mike Bibi or something? Like someone that, you know, like I could see like a Mike Bibi having the shit ton of Jordans. Yeah. Yeah, like anybody signed to Jordan probably has similar collections just because they can get whatever they want. They get them as soon as they come out.

I don't know that it's similar because he's obsessed. He's obsessed. Like, obsessed. But there are, like, Jordan is a, I don't want to say common thing to be obsessed with, but people, there are a lot of people who are obsessed with. The difference is that they are not signed to Jordan. So they can't get all the news all the time. So I think he's definitely in the top point,

0.000, 0.01%. I'd say he's in the top 10 of people that, in the world of people that own Jordans. And I don't think that's crazy to say. I mean, I don't think he may be top five. He may be top three. I was going to say top five. I was going to say top five. I have no idea. Do you think he has the

boxes for all those shoes or do you think the, like, because I feel like the box would be valuable too. I wonder if he stores those anywhere. Did I ask? I said, how many, what percentage of these will you wear? He said, maybe 5%. Like, you couldn't wear them all. He's got over a thousand sneakers.

So, a pair of sneakers. So, like, I don't know. Right. You'd be wearing them for four years. Like, you'd be wearing a new pair of shoes for three or four years. And then he's the only guy, the only guy who is doing Jordan golf shoes, who's got cement fours. And he showed us a couple other pairs that are fucking awesome. Like, he's the only guy who has those.

He said he got a box of like 50 shoes that came in that had cleats underneath him. He hasn't even opened him yet. dude he also like he's got those thousand pairs of jordan's got the cement four golf shoe and the and the you know the o'gees that's the only pair of jordan's i have of the cement fours and i bought mine used on ebay that was like the only ones i could afford and they like smelled like cigarettes but i'm like they're fucking sweet that's i was able to get one pair used and that guy has over a thousand brand new dude he has like the Travis scott he's got every single collection and then and then we were going through his other closet And he just has, like, lubitons, like every single pair of them. They says he doesn't even touch anymore. Those are $1,000 shoes. He must have had some wild, like, you look at your credit card statement at the end of the month. I mean, I know a lot is probably just given for sponsorship or whatever,

but he must have had some wild credit card bills. And he's a really good, humble dude. He knows that, like, he's always saying, like, I never should have been here. Like, people think, people think I never should have been here, my college team. thought I was going to be a fucking janitor. Like everyone thought that it was over for me. And now I'm the only one from that college team that's fucking doing it for 25 years. The other guys played in one or two tournaments.

I'm the only fucking, like, it's crazy. Like his mindset's like, I am proving everyone wrong. And I shouldn't, like, I shouldn't, I never have been thought in a million years that I'd be here. So he takes it like all so well because he's so, so happy. He, like, wants to show off every single piece of furniture and every single piece of, of like every trophy that he's ever won, every single, like he wants to show it off because he's like, I can't believe this in my life.

Yeah, like, just so cool to stay. As opposed to like, oh, yeah, of course I have all this shit. Like, he doesn't like that. No, and he's not, a lot of athletes, I think some of their humble, like the humble stuff is bullshit sometimes. I mean, you can't know unless you know him. But Pat Perez, when he talks about being signed to Jordan, being on the PJ tour over 20 plus years,

like it comes from a place of genuine awe. and it's it's incredibly endearing and he's just like a great guy he he very much too has reached a point you can tell where he's and he talks about it about how he he's like i just i want to not only i want to hang out he's like that's kind of you know he spends 30 plus weeks on the road which is crazy when you have that house he's like look at all this he's like you know i love my wife my young daughter he's like all i want to do is enjoy this this house and this life and spend time with my family And then the other main thing is like, and I want to share it with people. So like he was more excited for us all to go back to his house and, you know,

enjoy the liquor or the tequila or the dinner that his wife made and enjoy the view and do whatever the hell we wanted than he was for the golf facts. Like he was excited for that as anything. And he said to every one of us like come back out for the waste management, come over whenever you want. Like that's just he's reached a point life where he is a humble. He is realizing that like he's not entitled at all. it's a total bonus that he's got all of this stuff and he wants to share it with people

that he likes to have a good time with and we were just there to benefit from it which was really you guys looked up his career earnings or no 27 million that's so weird that you said that because i'm googling it as we speak 27 shmill it's a lot cake well did you did you guys get the number yeah we just said it on the podcast oh i couldn't hear you like my internet shit today on what was that we said that on the fourth place he said that on the full play five. 27 Shimmel. That's a lot.

Yeah, it's a lot of money. It's a ton of money. It's a ton of money. It's just a ton. It's an outrageous sum of money. And then the other thought of that is like, if you make a dollar on the PGA tour, what do you think your sponsorship dollars are in association with that?

Like, is it like 15% of your career earnings or is it like two X? Totally depends where you are. Yeah, it depends who you are. I think it would be less. Yeah, but there's going to be some sort of average. I forgot like Perez is probably like five cents for every dollar or like 10 cents or something like that. Right? Like it can't be too crazy.

Yeah, I would agree with that. I think it's low. I think it's, yeah, especially like the, yeah, I would guess it's pretty low. And I don't think he's also the kind of guy. It seems like that he wasn't, he's not out doing hard negotiations with Jordan. He's just like, no, I just don't want to pay for my Jordan. That's like pretty much all. I don't know.

We didn't discuss it with him, but that might have been the terms of the deal. Yeah, but he also has, like, other companies that obviously sponsor him. But, like, I would, and I don't know anything about it, but this is my dumb brain going. I would guess that if he made 27 mil, he's probably made about three to five mil of sponsorships, I would say. Which is fucking crazy. That's a lot of money to be handed by companies to just put a logo on your shirt. Because, I mean, he's won three times, but, like, comparable, those other companies are going to give guys who, like, other players more money. Yeah, he's probably close to $30 million that he's made overall.

Plus, the PGA tour has like this retirement, you know. He's well off. And his house shows it. I just see you. He's literally been inside his house. He's doing pretty well. Yeah, he's doing well. You're going to be doing really well, ladies and gentlemen, when you get yourself in one of our favorite items,

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I mean, if we have hundreds of thousands of listeners, maybe one or one or two people are actually a nudist. Like a true nudist. True. True nudist. I don't know. But chances that somebody right now that they're naked and being like, holy shit, these guys know that I'm naked. Like that's, I think that's probably good. I think like naked while listening for sure. Like that's high. Like they could be changing. They could be whatever. Yeah, for sure. But like put it on in the shower or whatever. But if you're like exiting the bedroom and going to make yourself a cup of coffee and you're just like butt ass naked amongst other people, I want to know that. Like. Now, would you play golf with said nudist if they invited you? Yeah, totally. If there was a nudist community out there, would you play nude with them? Oh, boy.

So I Googled, think about that. Hold on. Don't let him off the hook yet. He was struggling with that. I don't know, man. That would be tough because I, we've talked about, I mean, I'm not. You barely show your legs. I mean, I don't know.

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say? Well, I googled how many nudists are there in the United States. And a link came up. There something called the American Association for nude recreation. And I clicked on there. Is there a percentage before you say this number? Is it a percentage? Is it a number? Well, I have a number of, like, I don't know if registered nudists is the right term. That's right.

People who claim to be noticed in the United States. Do you guys want to guess? So how many people are in the United States? 315 million. Okay. I think that this number is probably going to be stunning. Is it stunning? No, I think it's low.

I think it's going to be, I'm going to guess registered nudis. I'm going to say 25,000. Oh, man. I'm going to say, it's a lot, actually. I'm going to say 500,000. Go ahead. It can't be a million. Let's get fucking, let's get real now.

It can't be a million nudis. We would see them. We would see a couple of them. So I'm going to say, I mean, they would just show up on the radar. I mean, they would be one and three hundred and 15 people. people would be just nude. I'm going to say there's only 10,000 nudists. All right.

According to the American Association for nude recreation, there are... That's not a real thing. I'm looking at the website. I don't know if I'm looking at one. The number is 213,000. Wow. More than I thought for sure. Whoa.

You'd think you're out there, man. They're out there. I don't know. What is that percentage against $315 million? I mean, that's basically... 0.15%. Yeah, so that's one in what, like 1,500 people? No, one in 100, yeah.

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Back this up. Remember how horrible it was when I was just taking grenades and you two just went and got on the plane and I was still stuck there? I saw my two buddies leave and I was dying. Before you start talking about horrible, you need to back it up. And remember how bad it was for me.

Not you. Stuck in L.A. on the second lag of that fucking flight. I had to wait like 12 hours in L.A. As I knew you guys were back to New York. And then when I got to New York, my bags were not even nowhere. Oh,

I let them go around the castle. Yeah, where my bags were. And I did. I let them. Later, I got my golf team. I saw your bag come around.

I said, oh, you know what, someone else. But my thinking was correct. Is that like, they have to have some sort of system in which to take it. And I was not going to be.

responsible for your bags while I was on my way. We were rushing somewhere, whatever. All I know is that I left, this is getting crazy. I left, I left a fucking Peter Millar jacket. And I haven't seen one in rotation. I don't even know if they fucking have it on the, I'm sure they have it on the website. But I remember getting it. It's a nice, puffy, like, light but warm jacket.

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I was going to look like a, I was going to look choice, mate. I was going to look choice, mate. And I left that shit on top of me in the fucking little luggage area, and I never got it back. I put in claims to get it back and they said, we're keeping it. They actually said we're keeping it.

That's how good it was. Here's what I want to say. I want another one of those, Peter Marl. All right. I left my, I need that shit. At this hotel. if you end up staying at the residence in North Scottsdale and you are in Excel,

you can go claim a Peter Malar-Cortezep and you can see how good this shit is. Wow. There's going to be people. I was going to offer that, but then I thought that would be a bad idea because now the front desk is just going to get loaded with people. I mean, what are people just going to, I don't,

were they going to stop by? I don't know what they're going to do. I thought it would be a nice thing to give a fan. They can have. I bet by the end of the day today, when this podcast goes out, We will have a photo of someone that has cloned. Okay, that's it.

If you go to the residence in North Scottsdale and you get that Peter Millar, tweet out a picture at 4 Playpods so we can tweet out so people don't also do it and there's not going to be anything there. That's what I'll say. Okay. Good idea. Okay. I guess a good idea, Tram.

Excel. Okay. We're going to move on. Scramble stuff was great. We've got a lot more to talk about and we will do a debrief podcast with Joel. We'll do a debrief podcast with Pat. and the match against the girls and Dustin's coming out within the next week. So it's going to come out before Christmas.

U.S. Women's Open. A. Lim Kim, Berdy's last three holes to get the W. It was a Monday finish, tons of rain, kind of interesting week down in Houston, where it was like 70 for the beginning of the week, and then it got pretty dicey. Then it rained like crazy. Scores were bad. They were high, which is U.S. Open.

That's what you're going to get. Only a few people under par. Amy Olson kind of became the by far, you know, easiest to root for story. Their father-in-law passing away over the weekend. Her husband had come out from North Dakota. He's, I believe, like the maybe like the linebacker, a front-line coach at North Dakota and was like an All-American standout, comes out to watch the wife play. Horrible where father-in-law passes away.

He goes back. She decides to continue to. to play leading the tournament throughout most of the final round, had a couple shot lead at the turn, or I think after 11 holes. And then Aelan Kim with three birdies, 16, 17, and 18, again, on a day when everybody was over par to go out and get the win. I saw Justin Ray, who always tweet now, great stats, said, Aelan Kim, on pace to finish with plus 7.37 strokes gain total in the final round alone

would be the most strokes gained in the final round by a U.S. Women's Open winners since Meg Malin in 2004, which is plus 7.88. The bottom line is like under pressure, then being on the line, and wearing a mask during a global pandemic, by the way, goes out and has kind of a crazy finish, really reminiscent of Schwartzel, who birdied the last four holes in Augusta, to kind of go out and just seal the deal of that masters. So tough conditions. I believe this is, now nine of the last 13 winners of the women's U.S. Open have been from Korea. So they're just kind of like dominating our asses now. And when it comes to the Americans, like, we're American guys.

We root for the American Rider Cup team, President's Cup team, Solheim Cup team. We want to see Americans win the tournament. That's just even if it's if it's men's, if it's women, no matter what it is. And they're just dominating us. They won nine in the last 13. I do, I will say that the two women that we have on the podcast, last week, I think we're like 12 over and 15 over. So we like to claim a lot, missed the cut. We like to claim a lot that we get these little four-play bumps and we're in Rufo.

We sort of had the opposite effect last week. So a little bit of a tough break for us there. But overall, you know, the women were spotlighted, highlighted a bummer that they weren't on network coverage on Sunday because they were supposed to be on NBC and then they had the washout. But it was actually nice watching it on Monday, especially like the third week in December when you really got nothing else on, on a midday on a Monday to watch a little major chamber. chip golf and it was a hell of performance. I also, I'm looking at Daniel Kang. I was hoping that she had played a little better.

She finished plus 12. She was plus three today in around four. So yeah, the four play bump did not come through at the U.S. Women's Open, unfortunately. That's an unfortunate thing. It didn't come through. And we really wanted to come through. We can't be perfect.

But, you know, we have a pretty good track record. And we'll be there. We'll get back on it. I mean, like you see, it would have been incredible. but, you know, the foreplay bump is something, I always see that, like, whenever we talk about them on the podcast, like there's just so many more tweets, there's so many more eyeballs on them.

And just that aspect, like, there's so much more pressure on our people's golfer, right? Like, you all of a sudden you have a guy like Kevin Kisner, and, like, he may not understand it, but, like, you know, I didn't even really know who Kevin Kisner was before we started getting in the mix with them. And yes, he's played fantastic golf since being, like, in our crew, fantastic golf since being our crew. He's a top 25 player in the world. but like he's a household name now and yes it's like in due part to like him playing well but also like we talk about them on every single show on a massive golf podcast so when we just pick like our golf when our ladies golfers now they become fucking household names

does the name mattie fitzman matthew fitzpatrick guys wielding a staff he's now a wizard i mean he has a wizard staff that he gets for winning the uh over in duby matthew fitzpatrick it is Dude, when they watch him What is that trophy? It's a staff. It's crazy. A plus. I saw people were making him like Gandalf.

Yeah. It's very easy. It's very easy. I mean, even my mind goes there. I don't even like go in those shows at all. I mean you don't go in those shows. Well,

I don't get, I don't engage with that like those movies. I don't watch those movies. I don't, I don't engage with those television shows. I have a buddy like that. can't watch sci-fi. Sometimes my words aren't perfect.

No, it's like, I can't watch it. He goes, nerd. Oh, sorry, you can only watch, sorry you can only watch Rudy and like, you can only watch fucking sport movies because those are the real things. And you watch like, like, Iads of March and you like to sip on your cognac, you little fucking bitch. I like to watch fucking, I like to watch Star Wars. I like to watch Harry Potter.

I don't say any of these things. I like all those shows. No, you don't. No, you don't. You look down upon sci-fi. I honestly don't at all. I don't. My buddy does, who's super annoying, who I used to live with,

would always say, like, Dungeons and Dragons, Dungeons and Dragons. When I would watch shows like that. Do you like Harry Potter? Never watched it, never read a book. Lord of the Rings? Never watched it. Star Wars? Only seen an episode or a movie or two.

That episode was correct. What? You hate fantasy stuff. Like anything that's not. I don't hate fantasy. I just don't. watch it that much. But when you, when you come upon it, you go, no, not today. Like, you're just like, no chance. No, so the Star Wars thing, I was flying a lot and United was doing this, uh,

where they partnered with Star Wars. So I started to watch. I think I watched like two or three Star Wars movies or episodes. What are they called? Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's episodes, but they are movies. And then I watched one with Riggs in a movie theater. It was my first Instagram post, we went and saw the last Star Wars or the most recent. No, that was like years ago, but I will say that it, we went to one of those fancy movie theaters where they give you, like, fucking cocktails and they, like, wait on you and you can lean all the way back, and it has the full cushion situation. There's a picture of Lurch looks like 17 times the size of me in the picture. So I apologize, because I pictured you to just be the kid that is in my friend group that looks down upon people watching. Quick apology from Frank.

Well, I mean, Lurch also, like, remind. me of him in every single way. He's like very lurchy and doesn't get like a lot of the jokes. The guy that plays hard defense on you and you hate him. Dude, I just fucking, dude, we were playing fucking pickup basketball. Like just, we were, we were just messing around and I had to like back away from Lurch. I'm like, Pat Perez's ass. I'm like, I'm going to end up with a bloody nose out here. And everyone knows that guy in their friend group when they go play pickup basketball. You're walking away with an injury because he just plays hard in the paint.

And that's a lurch is. I don't know that you try and do that. but like one quick box out to me, and I'm in the hospital. Elbow to the nose, broken nose, fucking chip tooth. Like, I just want to get the rebound so I can go take a shot. It happens a long time. It's like you go up for a rebound. Like, ah, fucking Amar Stadamara.

I can't. The thing is, the problem is you're pretty athletic. So I think you feel like you can throw things around. He ran at one point during this week. and it was the, like, I once said that I could beat him in a race, I wouldn't even come close. He's very fast. Lurch has got wheeled.

Yeah. Lurch also falls a little bit victim to like, in hockey a lot of times, people get like boarding penalties just because they're bigger and stronger than somebody else when they're both trying to hit each other going for the puck. I feel like Lurch, you fall victim a little bit to that where it's like everyone's trying to get the rebound and you're just, you're, everyone's going to claim that you're like trying to murder people and you're going too hard in the paint just because you're going for the rebound as hard as they are. You're just bigger and you're going to like,

kill somebody. Yeah, it actually shocked Joel. Joel, Damon, he like slapped me in the chest, or maybe he went for a chest bump. And that, and he was like, holy, you are thick. Like, and that, like, for maybe, you know, for another, like, 30 seconds or a minute, he was just, like, looking at me and asking questions about, like, my size and weight. Like, I was, you know, like, in a museum. Joel is a very funny dude. He was very funny. I was going to say, like, he didn't get enough credit, like on the show yet. He, at one point he just looked at us and he was like, can't be honest for you guys? He's like, yeah, he's like, thought you guys were kind of kind of be douchebags, but I really

like you like you got you guys. Yeah, when we were leaving, he's like, you gained a friend today. I want you to know that. And he looked to me in the eyes. He has a very funny sense of humor where everything's kind of, oh, this is what I want to talk about with Joel Damon. You want to know how good? And I was saying he stunk before, but it's like on the level of like whatever.

He's a guy shot two under. It's all relative. He knows he stunk that day. He said I fucking, dude, he said he's never. played Mesa even par on the front nine his entire life. And he did that. He said he was like a little nervous, a little banged up. Like it's just, he played poorly to his standard. And we were on the range. And I'm hitting balls. And I'm like, I'm hitting them pretty well in the range. Honestly, like my game recently has been perfect on the range. I'm striping irons. I'm taking divvits. And then when I get

on the course, it's a nightmare. I have mental problems. But I'm hitting the ball well. He's looking at me like, holy shit, dude. You're hitting him well. And he's saying that a lot, like to me. And he's getting me all jacked up. And then I'd look in the corner of my eye and he would just like shank one to the right. And I'm thinking of myself like, wow, that was fucking weird. And then I hit another one. He'd shank another one and he'd go like, ah, shit, like to himself. And he'd hit one like decently, okay. And then he hit one again, like way right, like into the trees. I'm like, I almost turned to Larch at one point and being like, dude, this guy fucking sucks. Like, he's a pro. And it turns out that he was doing that just on purpose. Like he says he actually

does that at tournaments and when he's playing with like his buddies and stuff he'll shank him on purpose he'll hit like off the toe off the heel he learns how he practices how to shank shots and he was doing that to get in my head and it worked i went up to him like bro i actually almost came up to you and was like you're going to get fucking killed out here put that on the first hole he crushed one right down he he was actually getting in my head and that just goes to show like he is like a part of the joke he He like knew that that was going to play a longer role by him just hitting shanks upon shanks. It would end up in my head and within the video and it worked. Like he's just,

he's a guy that just gets it. Like he knew what he was there for. It was to put on an entertainment show. And he did it. He was very, yeah. And he was, he was hitting those shanks.

Like anybody, I think if you really tried to you could hit something that looked like a shank or whatever. He was hitting them while looking like he was trying to swing normally. Like that's what was so. And then like you said, he was kind of muttering under his. breath like ah yeah and you're we're kind of like you can you always have a little bit of a of a radar up on the presence of like each person in the range and like who's hitting it like what and their tempo so when

it's going to be like a shot that they hit you hear it flushed and you're like oh that was like lurch or that was frankie's hitting a grade or whatever so you cut you know that he's there and you know that he's and you're just kind of like it started to seep into all of our brain and like what is what is that guy doing over there he did it so realistically that because they were like he'd take a seven iron out he'd hit like a hundred and sixty yard just like kind of a slapper that faded towards the right and i was like that like is just such a gross like contact he wasn't like shanking them low hooks like he was just the ballers falling off and making weird noises off his club like i was just like he didn't get that right he just didn't hit that correctly and it was like that for maybe five

or six shots in the middle of his of his warm up and i was like oh this guy is not good he's not he's not he's not Like we're going to crush us. Like we do. Yes. He was like, it was just like you're average idiot. And then he would call it out. When he finally admitted like what he was doing, he called him out. He goes, I'm going to hit like one off the toe right here and it's going to go 150 and just going to like go around that fucking bush.

And it did. Because then he started saying like this is a pro shank versus like an amateur because he could get it up in the air and like pretty much hit like a 50 yard cut. But then only went like 20 feet. Like the most amazing thing that you've ever seen. But yeah, he was a beautiful. beauty. He was a ton of fun to play with. And I did feel bad because, like, he wanted to have his game, but it just wasn't there that day. You know, and that it is what it is. He was, uh, yeah. And, you know, relatively speaking again, him not having his game. I think he was like, I think he was

about two under and he, on the front night, he was like one over through nine and then made like two or three burgies in a row to kind of get back into it a little bit. But he's like, he's, he, he was, I think when he FaceTime his cat, he's like, imagine being one over bar on the front night. at Mason Country Club. He's like, that's just not even, he's like, that's literally not possible. And here I am. So he didn't have his best and still pushed us to 16.

So it wasn't like it was a total blowout. And very funny, cool scene at the club. There are a bunch of members that kind of joined because they were doing their member members this weekend, which I just saw that Joel won. So clearly he found his game this weekend. But they were doing a member of members. So there were a bunch of members around that kind of joined on the back nine

and we walked in. And it was a scene. It could be a really good video. So a big thanks to Joel for doing that. you guys met Phil the guy who was giving me a couple lessons over at Rockville that I called George Bush and Trent actually said that if I hadn't told that story for a second he actually thought that George Bush was there did you not say that Trent no you did because we were pulling up to wherever his car was already set up there and we were pulling up and you said to me

you said oh look here's George Bush and I looked over I was like oh there's George Bush But it was in Frankie's friend from Long Island who lives down in that area. And it was just, I said to Frankie that if when George Bush was president and there was a, like if he had to get into Fort Knox or something, and the way he could get in was this, like the area of his face that is his eyes and his nose and a little bit of his mouth, that guy got gotten in when George Bush. Everything on the sides and the hair and everything wasn't George Bush. But there's just when you look at him and the way he talks and the inflection in his voice, it's like, you're fucking. George. I like, I like squinted out. I'm like, you're fucking George Bush, aren't you? You know, like, I poked him in his chest. I'm like, I'm not going to let it out, but you're fucking George Bush, aren't you? You're the president. You're the ex-president United States,

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So we are, we are, you know, children are great. They're incredibly important. They need, they're adorable. They need to be protected. On another level, like the fucking guy swings like Tiger Woods. He's named Charlie Woods. He's going to wear red and black. Like, hello, it's just there's going to be, of course, it's a second coming.

It's literally his child. Like, what are you talking about? I'd also say just their involvement, and Tiger allowing Charlie's involvement is a very large thing because then he is now deciding that this is now when I think Charlie can showcase his skills. He could have done it last year, you could have done it the year before, he could have done it two years from now, three years from now.

But he's saying right now, Charlie Woods, the state of his game, how he thinks he is mentally, he is ready to play in a tournament with me that's going to be televised. I think that's a very huge step in Tiger allowing Charlie to play. So I understand these articles where they're like, you know, don't go crazy. You know, he's Charlie Woods. He's not Tiger Woods number two. But like he's going to be out.

He's going to be on display, on TV. And there's going to be expectations. That's just the way that it goes. And I'm pumped. I'm excited. We've got the video of the two of them swinging basically, you know, in unison. There's synchronization to their swings and the Tiger's cat. for him in events that he's won.

Now they're playing together in this tournament. Of course we're going to draw parallels. Now, again, Charlie Woods decides next year in a couple of years he wants to play baseball. He wants to play basketball. He wants to play hockey. He wants to be... Chess?

Chess is hot right now. Chess? Oh, but, buddy, buddy. I watched, I think, last time, I think I watched five episodes of Queens Gamut. Yeah. So you're pretty much done, then. How many episodes are there? Eight?

I think there's seven. It's so good. Jeff is very, it's, it's good. I don't even know the rules to chess, to be honest. I don't even know how to play the game.

You sat me down right now. I don't even know what the pieces do, yet this show is phenomenal. Such a good, strong female character, driving the entire thing. Tons of parallels to, like, real life. I also thought there's a lot of parallels you can draw to, like, golf and, like, being alone and feeling like you're alone.

And it was, the show is fucking fantastic. Amazing. I do know I play chess. I play chess all the time. I have an app. I play against my friends. I send them fucking, I'll just send my friend

a random fucking challenge and we just play it for hours. I play my dad all the time. I was playing in the office. After hours, I would sit and Tommy smokes, we would just play. And against Rudy and YP,

we just, I'd have five games going at like 7 o'clock in the night in the office. I was stunned the first time because I sit behind you basically at the office and you have two screens. You got the one big screen

and you have your laptop. And the day, that I was over your shoulder watching you play chess, it was like 7 o'clock at night, I was stunned. I was like, there's no way Frankie Borelli right now is playing chess. And sure enough, turns out he plays a lot of chess. So I was, I think the listeners will be too.

Why is that brain can handle chess? It's a great game. I don't like, I'm not at any level a good, good chess player. I feel like there's, it's like being a fucking golfer. Like, I'm a fucking 10 handicapped in chess, maybe worse. There's fucking guys that know how to, to fucking, I can't think too far ahead. I can think somewhat far ahead in chess.

Plan my strategy. But you have to see every angle, man. Every angle. If I move that fucking bishop, I got to know that like in two more moves, if that guy takes that spot, like my queen or my king's going to be exposed, there's so many moves.

If you play a really good chess player, they can beat you in five moves. They can just fucking dismantle you. Yeah, it's great to see that happen. I feel like I was better as a kid. Like I played on the computer on the way home. I played a couple games of chess, and I just got beat by beginner, intermediate,

like whatever level you can pick, I just couldn't win the chess game and then I just turned it off. But I think it was better as a kid. I, again, I don't even know really the rules at all. But, you know, to me it was like, the common phrase is like, oh, he's playing chess and the other versus checkers

and like how simple-minded. that is I don't comprehend, because I don't know the rules of the game, how or didn't comprehend until I see the show, like all of the different strategy into the, I guess I always figured like once you're pretty much behind, that it's just like over, you're just going to lose. But, you know, the way that they talk through in the show about like attacking versus defensive and protecting your pieces versus like, do you continue to counterattack and then like reattack? And then at one point, you know, one of like grandmaster guys is talking about. about how, like, I can get out of this, and she's like, no, you can't.

And he's sitting there thinking, like, how many moves? What are they both thinking, 11 moves ahead? But she's thinking 12 moves ahead that, like, in the amount that goes into it is actually, I would say, I would say watching the show makes me, and I never was that into chess, makes me less want to play the game because I know I'm not capable. I didn't know that there were names for maneuver. Like, I didn't know. Yeah.

To be honest, I didn't either. like yeah okay they just keep talking about this like they're like oh are you going to go with the sicilian i'm like whoa but it's it's crazy it's like are you going to put a fucking two iron in or you're going to rock a five wood for that's like which it's it's you're going to go for this part and just try trying to think on my head like you're going to enter the entire game with a strategy that's that you're reading about a guy and like some russian in the 30s did against this other fucking guy from paris it's crazy down Dude, there's a move and I did it on, I did it against YP and he was freaking out.

He's like, well, you just looked up, you remember that argument? He's like, you just looked up a winning move and then you beat me. And I said, well, then, like, that's fine. Like, I don't, like, what the fuck does that mean? He's like, you just search, because you Googled how to beat someone in three moves and you did it. It's like, well, at some point, I would have had to learn the move and then execute it. If you study tape in football and you, like, learn to combat a defense. that's like good. That's just good.

So I did it. So basically I, you move this pawn up to, right? Whatever, the king pawn. And then you move your, you're basically surround his king to the point where he can't move out of it. So you move your bishop and then you move your queen. And no matter what, and then you take this one pawn right in front of his king. And even if he takes it, no matter what happens,

he can't move out. And it's three moves. It's a three move just done. you're done, you're dead and I did it against him. I went fucking crazy and he's like, anyone can look it up. I'm like,

well, actually, if you just moved your pawn one other way, you did what I needed you to do and I won. Like I don't, you could have just combated it. You could have just played defense.

When he says anyone can look it up, he's right about that. Yes, the one who looked up. Yes, he could have looked it up and he could have just not done. He has to make a move

for me to win that way. He needs to move a certain point. on for me to see that there's an opening right there and he didn't imagine if you came out and on like the first hole we're playing a match against you and you hit like a sick little nippy chip to like an inch and i'm like dude do you googled how to hit that chip and i and you'd be like yeah no i know it's like i'm trying to get better at the gate yes he's like sorry we're all don't like spend time like like looking up the new i'm like well i just tried to get better and i won and i feel awesome It felt so cool.

Charlie Woods could become a chess player, but boy, would I like if he's stuck with golf? Yes, please. I love chess, man. I think it's fucking awesome. I always wanted to go into these little chess areas of New York City where all the old men are playing against each other. What, did you sit there and have a beer and watch?

Just like, yeah, watch, maybe try and play one of them, see how badly you get beat. Like, is it five moves? Is it six moves? Like, can you? I almost think that I don't know how to play chess to their level so much that I would, you'd almost like throw them off. Like you'd be, you'd do it most so stunningly wrong that they'd be like, wait a minute.

So I think I win. I just be like, do they are, are they like, what the hell? What is he thinking right now? Because that's nothing I've ever seen. That happens in poker sometimes, doesn't it? Where there's a guy who's so inexperienced that no one can get a read on it. Have you ever watched Molly's game? Oh, shit.

No? You ever watch Molly's game? Because there's something like, there's something in there. No, but anyways, coming back to this, chess is just a game of like, percentages and open you just every time you make a move you give your other pieces on the table like less of a chance to win you download the chess app and it's fun like it kind of teaches you like the right moves and you also play against like other people in the world and after the game it tells you how many like correct bad poor horrible moves you made throughout the game it shows you like

when you went here you should have went here and you actually see like i would actually like that. My one buddy, my one buddy, Jeff, like, spends $25 a month and he has lessons on it on the app. It's crazy. He's got bought the Supreme package. I love it. Is he any good?

He's fucking really good. I've never beaten him. Really fucking good. How does someone invent chess? I don't know. How does someone invent the language? Like, you just fucking do it. We all fucking follow suit. But a language wasn't invented by

somebody. It just kind of happens through, like, I think hundreds of years of people like making noises. Chess is like, people sat down and were like there's this many poor this piece can do that and it worked out to where you could actually get deep deep deep like it's it's crazy that it's not at a level where all the best players just like tie every game like they can sometimes but like you would think the game would be like someone was so smart that they were able to create a game that is so complex that even at the highest level someone can be the best that's amazing yes true you would think there would

just be a level that you could just get to and then you just would tie every game. Right. The highest intellectual people in the world, like strive to find the best way to play this game that someone created, which is a very simple game. Right. Like, how did they make it so really, like, deeply complex? Right. Like, yeah. Like, you would think there'd be like a ceiling and it wouldn't be that high.

Like, there's only so many good moves you can make. That there would be like, uh, a hundred, 50 people in the world that are just so good that they're just the same. But the fact that one person can just be the best means really that the game is so well constructed that you actually can get to that. Right. Like the fact that the pawn can move two spots off the first move, like for some reason opens up that many more combinations.

And the fact that like, you know, the knight can do what it does opens up more combinations. And like it just goes on and on and on. And if it was any other way, like if the night. Nike can only go straight. Like maybe there's a limit to how far the game could go. But because it does that L turn, it opens up a billion more options. It is crazy. And I wonder how much thought was put into that, like the creation of chess,

if they knew really where it was going. Like, is there the perfect game of chess that can be played? And is that, did they move backwards from that in their heads, whoever made it? Right. You're right. Would that be the starting point? point and then you chisel away at that to get to what they have now.

It's also in the show, there's an interesting point because it's in like the 40s or 50s where they're talking about how they're like if there's, they say, you know, if you're, what's white is starting position, white starts. Yeah. So how like white, like in theory, like action always beats reaction. White, if perfect chess has played like white should always win. But then they're like, there's no way to play perfect. chest and then the guy's like well on some day when they have computers that they can simulate

this like the the computer that is white will always beat the computer that is wow right figure now they have to be at that point right right can't they just do that don't they have don't aren't there matches against computers that they play yeah yeah like a lot in from ibn just dust people in chess but that's what i mean when i said that when i said i wanted to go to those fucking park I think that that computer has computable move to get to a certain point. And if I did something so obscure and wrong, does it throw that computer off? Is it like a, is it, and I'm sure it doesn't.

But it's kind of like in poker where like you don't even realize you had a straight and you go all in. And the guy who had fucking, you know, three of a kind is like, I beat you. Like, this guy stinks. And you're like, oh, yeah, I just had, you know, I was going for a straight or whatever. I like the row of numbers here And like yeah, you just beat us Like what the fuck are you talking about? It's like you bring a girl to poker

And she's like, oh, I have all these cool kings and queens Like you have a full house Um Poker I feel like though is much more Like it is much more luck based Like you can play perfect poker Get all your chips in like as a 70% favorite And then just lose because of the way

Nate dog would like I think real poker players would disagree with that I think the best of the best players can win, regardless of what they're dealt. No, they can win over time, but in any one like hand. Oh, true. Whereas like in chess, it's just one game. I still think the best player would win every time.

Whereas in poker, like, you can play one game. You could just like, somebody can go in every, somebody can just go all in every single hand and get called by the best player in the world eventually and have, you know, pocket deuses against, pocket aces and like you just get a deuce and you just went. True. All I will say is

chess has never looked so cool since well obviously Queens Gavin made it look incredibly cool but Wizards Chess really put chess on the map for my generation with fucking Ronald Weasley riding the night to B5 and shit and getting absolutely fucking roasted. You know I mean that

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Now, it's essentially the European tour has done this a handful of times. They give a guy on tour, European Tour, like 500 attempts in one day, see if they can get an ace on a part three. One is the only, that's how many have done it. One. And our debate was, if you had the four-play guys, out there. We have 150 yard part three. So just pretty standard. Like neutralize

everything else. A standard of 150 yard part three. It's a hundred fifty yard shot. Hitting balls from, you know, sun up to sundown, trying to ace this par three, could one of us do? As a cohesive unit, right? One of us. So one of us counts

for all of us. Okay. It's a scramble for a whole and one. Yes, somebody makes one. No doubt about it. Essentially, we call it the four. man scramble hole in one challenge because that's what it is. You can, we could go around the world to your part three. You put parts down or mats and we'll go at that part three all day and we'll conquer

your part. So, all right. So before we get into it, before we get into the thoughts of if we can do it or whatever, to make this a realistic challenge, we need to find a golf course that will allow us to rip up the T-box and pelt the fucking greens.

Like we just have to, they have to be okay with it. So it's got to be set up the whole thing. Maybe they're redoing the green. greens. Maybe they're stripping the greens. I'm hearing a lot about places that get ready for tournaments. They strip the greens and resod them and all this stuff. Maybe we can do that. Like, there has to be a scenario in which we are allowed to just spend a day on a part three and absolutely torch it. And there's no other, I'm not hitting them off mats because I don't want the handicap

please, the whole in one place. I want to hit the whole on one and I want it to be fucking legit and pure. No mats, no spin, no the fucking bullshit. Let's figure out all that. And then, and even, like, I'll, I mean, we can even find something with a little backstop. Like, the ball will go in now that I talk about it. I think one of us will get it in. My question is this. Is it a time limit or is it until we do it? What's the question?

Well, it's until pretty much it's like dark, I would say. One of us goes to the hospital. Didn't do it. Now, again, on the European tour, I'm not sure if you guys have watched these videos. I know they've done at least four of them. They've done, and they get 500 balls, okay? It takes almost all day to hit 500 shots. Like it takes them forever.

And they lose their minds. And only one of the four has done it. It was Andy Sullivan of England who did it on his 230th try. Now, they've had, again, they've had other players do it. Eduardo Molanari and Brandon Stone. And then Thomas Peters tried it. And these guys legit lose their minds. Like they are hitting shots that are such good shots.

and you know like it might be 20 or 30 in a row before you get one that's really close so you can tell even if a ball is two feet you know three feet left of the pin off the tee like it's just not going to go in the hole like well you know it's not even to be coming close and they get these balls that just spin and roll right across the lip throughout the day it's like it's so hard to get an ace and these guys are European tour Thomas Peters their stud rider company and we suck and we're going to do it in a day I don't think there's a chance in half. hell that we get it. I think without question we do. My only thought is, do we have to clear the green every half hour or what does that look like? Because there are going to be balls everywhere, so they're just going to be kind of like bouncing off one another? I think you have someone up there with one of those little squeegey things.

They just clear it off every couple of balls. Every 10 minutes or something like that. I can't believe you think we're going to do it, Lurch. I think it's a lock. Wow. So Lurch, let me read you. some stats. Based on us being a top 20 player in the world. Oh, God. My gut says, like, 0.1% chance we do it.

It depends on what distance. Like, if it's a 200- 150-yard part-thor. Huh? 150-yard part-th. Okay, okay, good. Sorry, I didn't hear that. 150 yards, we just, we make it no problem. So, golf digest, I'm not sure. These guys are so good and they can't do it. Right. We got four times the amount of balls.

but we don't like we can't all hit at the same time I mean it's a range session I like it I like we need one confident guy because he got three naysayers right now I'm kind of like I said I kind of think we do it but the more you read into like the stats golf digest did this thing and I only got sent to me because I was talking to one of my buddies so I don't know exactly what they're basing this off of like is it a certain hole or whatever but golf digest had these odds at a tour player making an ace the odds are 3,000 to 1 and they need 9 rounds to do it essentially if you do that math.

A low handicapped golfer making an ace, the odds are 5,000 to one with 1, 250 rounds needing to do it. The average golfer making an ace, the odds are 12,000 to 1. Did I just read that twice? No. Okay, 12,000 to 1 with rounds needed 3,000. So let's say we're average golfers, right? They're saying that it's 12,000 to 1 based off of all the data that they have for us to

make an ace. Are we even taking? So it's 12,001 on every swing. Right. So if you take 12,000 swings, you should have one ace. Right. Are we even taking 12,000 swings? No chance.

No. We're baby swinging 600 times a person. So I don't even think we get, we don't even get to the tour player making an ace odds, which was 3,000 to one. Right. And we're not good. We're not even close to as good as that. Right.

We absolutely shouldn't have to do it because it would be so much fun to try, but it would be so hard. Now those odds change when you play the same hole constantly and just get to rip. So that 12,000 to one definitely goes down when you do our challenge. I think significantly. It does and it doesn't. Like, you know how exhausted we're going to be after fucking 30 minutes? We have to do this all day. yeah we'll have a buffet of food there we'll have to have a masseuse close by

but then that's time off from hitting your shots so it's like that's not yeah we'd have to come up with a system that would be optimal for like all right just like how often you have to go like how many shots hit an hour because we're going to be I'm going to be dead I'm the question is like it was 600 shots how many you think you're hitting the 100 hit the year green but like okay rigs here on my question on the other side of that quickly before we get to that point because i think it is a good breakdown of the numbers frankie is if you don't think someone makes one how close do you think we get to making a whole and one are we in does anybody get it within a foot yeah okay yeah i think we get

pretty close so at that point it turns into like a luck thing and it just may happen yeah but but but i'm basing it off of the the european torch challenge like they all are so much better and more accurate than we are, and only one out of, out of 2,000 balls that they hit, doing the same thing. It's the same like you get to hone in, you know the shot, only one out of 2,000 attempts has actually gone into the hole. So our odds are what? 15 times worse than that, 10 times worse than that? Like we stuff in there, and we're going to do it? No, we're not. You're making a lot of good points. And I think I agree with you, but I want to try. And how many balls, sorry, the tour player hit, how many balls?

They hit 500? 500 ball challenge. 500 ball challenge. Oh, for three are Eduardo Molynari, Thomas Peters, and Brandon Stone. And the one guy that made it was Andy Sullivan, who made it on his 230th shot. So there's one for four. That could be more, but this article I'm reading from like a year ago, and those were the only fourth that had ever done.

So this is based off nothing. But part of me thinks with 2,000 golf balls on the T-box, one of those little suckers goes in. It just does. Like it's just like one of them goes in. That's literally my whole thought process. Let me ask you that. Just 2,000 balls start flying in that direction. One hits the pole.

That's my point is they're not flying in that direction. That's how many actually fly in that direction? How many out of 2,000 even have a, fucking prayer of being like within 10 feet would you say less than a thousand. That's what Frankie was going to go down. Yeah, that's the road Frankie was going to go down of like how many we hit the green, how many within 10 feet, yada, yada. I think I have 2,000 shots, I have 2,000 shots, maybe 300 to 400 of them have a chance.

Maybe, maybe. What do you mean by having a chance meaning like, having a chance being like you hit it on the right side of the hole, like the correct side of the hole, and like while it's up in the area, you're like, this thing is going towards it. Now it still could go over the green. It could like be short.

It could skip off. But like right when you make contact, I think like one fourth of your shots like are going in the right direction off the club face. You're like, holy fuck, this thing has a chance. I think that's still a low number, dude. Like out of 2000 for like 300 of them to kind of go like, oh man, this has a chance.

That's what I think has a chance. Now really, really. getting close to the hole, I think it's under 100. Under 100. Right. Yeah. I agree with that. So now you're talking out of like maybe, let's be generous.

Let's say like 75% in the air we're like, oh, fuck. You got 75 of them? The European tour guys had 500 of them. Almost everyone is like, oh, that, okay. Right. It's tough, man. But also like those 70s. chances we're timesing by four.

So, I mean, like, oh, no, never mind. No, the way I did that was based up to 2000. Yeah, no, we're not. Yeah, no. Yeah, no, it's like 20 chances a person or something. It's like, right. We essentially get like 20 good shots a guy that have to go into the hole from 150. I think, you know, small, fucking hole is.

For no reason what's the head is just floating right now. For no reason. Yeah, my head, look, it's gotten much darker since we've been doing this show. but um you look like alice in wonderland that like that's the cat that smokes the uh what's that what's that's what's that's that's what's that uh hooka hooka now go ahead for whatever reason and there isn't a reason i think we would do it i don't know why but i like i just there's a little magic out there we got a little magic with our group and i think we would get one to go and it'd be what a moment that would be if we'd been out there all day just hitting away hitting away hitting away

hitting away and then one drops, that would be awesome. What if it happens on the first swing? It's just as likely to happen on the first swing, is it, you know? It's like the same. Yeah. All right. Do you call that a hole in one if you make it on your first swing? You just go play the other 17 holes? I'd play 17 holes.

I don't think we'd do it, and I really don't even think it would be that close. Riggs, what do you think the, like, sports book would say? What are the odds on it? I think it's about even money. Oh, I would say plus 250, plus 300. Yeah. Plus 500. Plus 500.

I mean, let's do this. How many scrambles have we done? Five. We've done five. So how many part three is that that we've done five times four, 20 times four of us, 80 shots? Have we had one that's been even close to someone thinking that it might go in the? Yes.

Trent. behind the other day. Yes, dude, Trent really came fucking close. But not like really, but like close, close. If he comes down that ridge just a little bit more, it goes, then the guys behind us, they almost had one. And let's say this. We were talking so much about Trent's being close. We didn't even take his ball. It was like six feet away. That's true. Dude, we haven't talked about that. I don't even think that made it on the live stream. It should be in the recap video. Yeah. But guys behind us on the hole that Trent almost hold out or hit it to six feet. the guys behind us hit the same shot as Trent and Pat, but it zipped backwards towards the hole. And we heard them scream and go nuts.

They say that it actually hit the pin at a decent speed, like a speed that it should just fall. And it went in and out and sat on the ledge. And let me remind you, or anyone that didn't see, these fucking pins had foam inside them for COVID, the COVID phone. They did, yeah. I think that guy got jipped from all of one. I think he did too.

Dude, he didn't fucking fly it in. He didn't like skip it in. He hit it on the back slope. It rolled very, very slightly, like with a decent amount of pace. And it fucking hit the pin and sat on the edge. I think he got totally screwed. But I don't know that you can count it. Like what can you get?

No, you can't. Dude, they said it's sitting on the ledge. That's 80 shots that we've had and no one's been even close. Yeah, but 80 different holes, 80 different swings, 80 different clubs, 80 different clubs, 80 different thoughts. We would get so tired as we're going to be. Right, but I'm just saying, like, you can start to, okay, hit a pitching wedge, distance, all right,

maybe it's full, maybe it's not. But I still, there's a little bit, like, it's slightly better chance than the one in whatever 12,000 that Frankie said. And I just think there's a chance. I just think like a little glimmer in Trent's eye, a little laugh. Maybe we have a masseuse behind us to stretch us out when we get tired after a while.

I know we have a lot of people that golf and run golf courses that listen to the show. If you have a course. Listening to this and you have a course that you know that you're doing some work on, it's a nice, beautiful little 150 yard par three. You can put the pin in the middle of the hole and we can fucking hit this thing, maybe a little down slope. So like, you know, we're not fucking crushing these things. You let us know if you're redoing it.

Maybe it's in a nice warm area where we can still go, like now. You let us know. reach out to us. We're going to fucking rip up your T-box. We're going to pelt your greens. We're probably going to need to do a whole production with like a live video feed or something. And we got to do it. We have to do this.

Lurch is going to dig a fucking hole. You will, man. That would be bad. If they say I have to play off a mat, I have to play off a mat. Like that all. All right. Pay off a mat takes away from it a little bit. Then I'll pay for new stuff. Yeah, before we even

get to the state, like, hit us with some feelers and then we'll talk about it. That would be awesome. It would be so good. Well, if it's 150 from like the beginning of the T-box, like Lurch, we'll just keep moving a little bit back. Like a little bit back, a little bit back. It ends up the way Lurch takes divvits,

he'll end up hitting 170-yard shot at the end. I mean, what'll happen is it'll probably be a 220-yard hole and they'll just pick like a T-box that's $150. Yes. And they just won't use that T-box for a month. It would be fun. Good call. I didn't think of that.

Good call. Yeah, you like that. that that's a good call yeah the tea box that's the gold tea box right has to have like you said a lot of people who run golf courses who know people who run golf courses listen to the show there has to be a perfect combination of exactly what we need somewhere in this country now also do we have like someone like someone on our team like do we have zai out there just fucking replay like like repairing ballmarks because like because also like not just for the green like I'm hoping they would end up like stripping the green or something. They have like a project this course, but it's going to affect

the way the ball rolls to the hole. You have a ton of fucking little mounds. And imagine watching one on the 1,200th ball roll to the pin that it just like bumps to the left. It was going in. Or what if you like damage the hole on the first swing? Like you fucking fly it right in and it fucking explodes it. Makes it bigger. I think we're going to find a course. sets up for this. I think that we're going to have to get all business Pete with like a truck and we're going to have to do it live and get a whole thing, a sponsor, a fucking masseuse. And we make it a day. And do we do it? Probably not. But if we do, it's the best day of all time.

We go absolutely crazy. I cry. I think depending on what it happens, we all might cry. We're going to be so miserable too after a few hours of this that when somebody makes it, it'll be like when you guys run the live stream. Like we'll hug you and clinch you and thank you forever forgetting a Now, do you count that as a whole one one? No. No.

Unless it's so much more impressive. It'd be a whole fucking 280. Right. But you're fucking so tired. It'd be so great. It'd be so much fun. Well, it'd be fun for a few hours and then we'd be, it'd be torture. All right, we're doing it.

Well, I think with like, you know, a sandwich platter back there, I don't think it sounds that bad. Dude, our shoulders, our arms are. back. Oh, it's going to be, the next day is going to be awful. We will be destroyed. It's also just mental insanity. Like, you're trying the same swing over. You're going to get mad at your swing. You're going to get mad at the green. You're going to get mad at your results. You're going to get mad at, like, the ball just not rolling a little to the right. And like, otherwise, that kind of ended the whole, like, you're just going to get mad that you can't do it. Do you end up, like, switching your club, you think? Like, that's like 150. I go, I start up with a nine iron. Do I end up switching to,

like, an eight iron punch shot? Do I end up? At the end of the day, you might be hitting a soft five. buyer. Yeah, who knows? Right. Whatever gets the job done. There's a lot of people that just perked up at golf courses that know exactly of the right hole, the right course, but don't send us courses that, like, you think, I want you to be a superintendent that you have the right to say, yes, this is happening.

I know when it can happen, blah, blah, blah, send it to us. Let us pick the right fucking partner with it, and we will do it. We are going to do this. Give them a subject line to put in it, so it'll be easy to find. What should we? Four play a hole in one challenge. Okay. Let me just make it easier to sift through because I feel like we're getting a lot of submissions.

All right, boys. I don't think we're going to do it, but in order for us to do it, I have to think that we will do it. So I think we're going to do it. There you go. No question we do it. You have too much action on your swing. I don't know.

Yeah. You have too much action, Lurch. It's going to be, those balls turn, they fly, they sizzle. I just can't see one softly falling in a hole. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I move the ball a lot, usually a lot from right to left. So it'd have to be, I'd have to somehow hit a straight ball in there or just cut down on the draw. But it happens. I mean, Pat Perez, I stuffed that thing in there.

Right, you're going to get a lot of chances at it, so you're going to figure it out. I mean, wow. It's not a horrible swing. No, it's a good swing. All right. What if your back just explodes? Can we just lose them? Well, then I'm done.

I'm on the masseuse table until I can split. But masseuse table is a given. And I think there was a masseuse table at the Barstle Classic Championship last year. Oh, dude. We might need a chopper nearby just in case we have to evax somebody out of there and do the petite. All right. We're going to try this, and I hope that we do it. We're done for the day.

We'll be back on Thursday. We're doing two a week forever. So, I mean, at least two a week forever. So stay tuned. We'll be back on Thursday. It's hard. hard.