Fore Play - Rickie, The Ryder Cup, & A Call-In Show

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

Golf Superintendents, Club Pros and aspiring Pros call in from across the country – differing perspectives from California, to Arizona, to Long Island. How do you maintain a golf course in Arizona? What steps do you need to take to become a Teaching Pro? Stories from a Club Pro who competed in the PGA Championship at Kiawah. Before, Frankie, Trent and Dan discuss eating habits, a new Breaking 90 episode releasing Thursday, Rickie Fowler’s win, an idea for the PGA Tour on Designated Events, and much, much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot a lot. His name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Knives because he always knifes it across the green. Broads 100.

Now you've got to break 90s. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. we bring you know. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go, fuck yourself. What? What are you that different? It's a hobby. It's four play presented by Barstow Sports brought to you by Chevrolet. It's the Danny,

Trent, and Frankie show today. No Rigsie boy. He's out at Band and Dunes. Even on my wedding week, we can't get Rigsie out here. He's just bad with wedding weeks. He is coming to my wedding, though. I will say that. How sure are you of that? He's coming to the wedding. It is the day after 4th of July when we were recording this. So it is July 5th. And yeah, how are you guys feeling? It's a fucking summer Wednesday. We're going to shoot the shit a little bit. We're going to talk amongst the three of us. We're going to get some club pros, hopefully to call in. We're going to get some superintendents to call in. I want to hear from the people that make the golf circle go around. You know what I mean? You got to shine a light sometimes on these guys that work in the darkness.

They're in the, they're in the, they're in the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they're in the, they're in the, uh, they're in the, uh, they're in the shops, you know, it's not, it's not, it's not so glitzy and glamorous, um, behind the picket fence where these guys work. So, um, I definitely like to talk to those guys from time. Yeah, in that vein, Frankie, whatever happened to behind the greens, did you, did you, did you become too big time to continue shining that light or what, no, you know, behind the greens is, um, um, I always say that my, if I had another shot at this thing, like, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if just like my dream to go pursue. I'd maybe want to go make movies, like legitimate movies. I'd love to be a producer or director and just be able to piece together a story. And behind the greens scratched that itch real hard for me. If you go back and watch that first behind the greens, or really all three of them, um, was it. They are. It was wingfoot, it was wingfoot, Torrey Pines. And then we did a winter one where we went to national golf link. We went to fucking national. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They let you guys out there. Dude, bro, like the wind was like they put up the American flag during a snowstorm.

It's one of the sickest golf videos they'll ever see on YouTube. It doesn't get enough shine. Like people need to fucking watch that thing because it's a movie. I don't people like to say Zuvie, movie, Vovie, all that fucking bullshit. But it's a movie. It's a legit. It's like we, we went through like orchestra. We like, we like, we did the whole entire thing.

Everything's perfect. We got a narrator. This guy Cheeks McCray. It's incredible. So yeah, I definitely enjoyed doing it. But it was such a time. consuming thing where it was like if only niche amount of people are going to watch this because they're into like the behind the scenes of golf it might not even be worth our time and effort.

I mean, it took us legit a month of editing where like me and Brendan sat there and stared at every single keyframe to make sure everything was on the beat and every single. Not one camera shot was not used like purposefully in the first episode of. I just can't get out of my head you wanting to be a producer. You know, you have to like wait for things to come out. I feel like you want you want to, you want to, you want to, you want to, us to pump it out. It would be hard for you.

Man, I would love the whole deal, though. I would love everything about it, the music. I'd love to deal with all that shit. I would love to just have a blank canvas and just make a movie. I would want to make like a cool drama movie where everything's very serious, you know. Can you do it with golf? I mean, I feel like, you know, can you use the platform that we have? Could you make a movie?

Like, uh, like, like we write a script. can help with the script aspect of it for sure. Can we make a movie? I mean, I'm thinking, what's the next step for the brand? What if we made a fucking movie? The only problem is, is like, you ought to maybe make like a comedy and then it has a chance of just flopping. I don't know if any movie has a chance to flop, no?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, those St. Andre guys, we gave them a shout out on part of my take when we were on there, but like, they do it right. They're like little clips. They're funny. They're golf, like situations. and it's like as much as you can consume of like golf comedy when you're acting I feel like I don't know if you can do you can't remake a caddy shack I don't know if people have the attention span for that anymore maybe you know the attention yeah we I mean are some of our videos of us playing nine holes are two hours long you know what I mean true hey listen you don't have to fucking persuade me to go make a movie you guys you guys you guys know you guys know I said yeah I think I sent you guys this I was trying to write like a golf comedy show um before barstool happened

I still have it. So I'll send it to you guys and we can see if there's anything we want to take from there. But like I was basically writing a, the pilot is the name of it was the tour. And it was basically just making fun of the PJ tour and mostly the media who cover it. Because I feel like there's all these different power dynamics between like caddies and players and players and tournament directors and players and players and writers and other writers and writers and broadcasters and influencers and like this whole crazy world that we all exist in. Um, so I wrote a pilot that was, you know, like a 30 minute slapstick, kind of like a deep style quick comedy, um, but I haven't really done anything with. So maybe I'll, maybe I'll resurface that. Maybe, maybe we get into the, to the fiction game. I mean,

I grew up on and probably all of us grew up on the Will Ferrell, the semi pro, the Talibagena nights, the all those where it's, you take a sport and you just make it so absurd, but some of it's true, some of it's not and you, and that's a great way to make a comedy. Is it that slapstick where it's like a Talladega? Knights or is it a little bit, aren't they? Well, so there was that Will Ferrell thing, but it got put on hold, I think, with the writer's strike. Oh, I see.

But those are so silly, though. Those are very silly. And Veep is, VEP is silly, but there is an aspect where it's more grounded in reality. Is that kind of what you were shooting for? I would say it's more, yeah, I would say it's more grounded in reality. It's definitely like making fun of golf and like the golf country club culture, but also it's more of like, VEP isn't really about politics. Right.

Like, it's more just about power dynamics and like. relationships and I felt like the tour, using quotes, was the same way where it wasn't really about golf. Like it wasn't, so much about like birdies and bogeys. It was more just like, you know, golf is a background for this very intricate world

with all these different overlapping and, you know, relationships that get people in weird places. The veep angle of a country club show does work. There's so many different characters, dude. Oh my God. One guy has power over the other guy, but he has no power.

over this guy like once the guy from the board comes in versus the head pro versus the assistant pro versus the caddy master versus the caddy versus the member you got something there yeah you got something there even like weddings you right they got a book weddings there you got an event manager you've got the bartender you've got the person in charge of food you've got literally the golf shoot up heroin on the 14th hole i mean there's a starter it there's and then just like all the members right like i mean you got a real real yeah you've got a show there for sure i don't even know if you need to incorporate the tour or any of that. I think, I think just like the country club could be a really good show. So there was the show that was called like red something, red oak or red hawk or

something that came out like 10 years ago that kind of did the country club comedy. I just thought that obviously this job is, I'm very busy now. And then I thought this Will Ferrell show would would just kind of like swallow up all that stuff. Yeah. I just feel I feel like that's going to be, I feel like that's going to be. I mean, Will Ferrell is supposed to play like a Danny McPhers or what's his name, Kenny Powers meets Phil Mickelson. Like that's going to be really hard. It's going to be really hard to beat that show in terms of golf comedy. True. And in terms of casting.

That's kind of, you're kind of screwed. Yeah, it's like Will Ferrell is going to play Kenny Powers meets Phil Nicholson. Yeah, that's a winner. That's going to win. People are going to watch that. People are going to watch that. Chevy, Chevy, Chevy, our best friends, Chevrolet, the bow tie. It's iconic Chevy.

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That's very nice. Yeah. That sounds pretty nice. It was good. I do. I just went to Hannah's house, her parents' house, and we just watched fireworks. They're in one of those towns where fireworks just pop off, man. Like, it's every person on their block is sending them off.

And they have this little, like, village green area, like on the other side of their house where everyone goes in there. And it's a professional fireworks. So we kind of just sat in the backyard, smoked cigars and just kind of watched the fireworks. There's nothing better than that. If you're not the one setting them off and you don't have to deal with any of that shit, the setup, blowing your hand off, like, possibly igniting the entire fucking town on fire. If you get to just sit back on a lawn chair and just kind of. of sip on a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch just fire go up in the air. It's pretty fucking fun night.

Are you, do you have to keep like 25 feet from it because you're in like a wedding bubble now? Yeah, right. We can't have a Justin Tuck or Jason P. or Jason P or Jason P or Paul? Jason Pere Paul. JPM. Was it, it was a JPP situation. We can't have that, you know, I'm definitely on lockdown right now.

I mean, there's, you know, I have like limited sun exposure time limits. I've got, um, I haven't eaten really any real food. Like last night, yesterday, everyone had hot dogs and we had grilled chicken kebubes. with fucking green peppers and no salt or any toppings on it it was just the most plain dinner of all time how do you feel do you feel I feel unbelievable yeah dude I wake up I do crunches I do I did like a minute long plank yesterday and just felt like so so good yeah so it's uh I definitely feel better I haven't eaten shit I had a couple slices of pizza the night at Borrelli's tap room because a couple of the island just came in and I couldn't not eat that fucking vodkaoni slice every time it's in front of me I got to eat it it. So, but so I'm not like getting crazy, but I'm definitely eating better. I think back to what I

used to eat like every single day. And it's fucking so different. I mean, I was eating Mo's, Chipotle, bacon, egg and cheeses, bagels, ice cream, cookies, sugar. I haven't eaten any of that. Any of it. Any of it in a month, two months? I don't even know. I haven't eaten any of it. The last time I had a bacon, egg and cheese is when I almost puked in Nashville. That was the only time because I was so hungover from Big Rob feeding fucking old-fashioned down my Yeah, those are all foods that should be hungover foods. Like you really shouldn't have a bacon, egg and cheese unless it's like, okay, I was,

I got after it last land or you shouldn't have. But then, you know, a sober. A sober Saturday morning bacon, egg and cheese is like it's, it's disastrous to the body. That's like how I live my life though. And I will say the last couple days I've been trying to like,

I'm trying to kick sugar again. This is, if you listen to this podcast for the whole time, I've tried to kick sugar 25 times, but I have to because I look at the way that I eat. I've been watching Frankie. We travel so much together that I watch him and I watch what he eats. And the things that he's not eating are the things that I eat every single day. I've been doing it for years.

So it's like, where does that mean? It can't lead to a good place. I'm only doing it because of like the wedding and for photos. But now I think I'm just going to keep with it because when you, I mean, I know, I'm definitely not going to keep with it as hard as I am, but I do enjoy the feeling that I have right now. I feel awake. I feel more alive. I feel like I'm ready to do stuff.

Like, even when I'm working out now, it's easier. Like, everything I'm doing is easier. I can do way more pushups. I can do way longer planks. I can do way more pull-ups. I can do all that stuff. So it's just, I feel a little bit better about myself. And then I feel like you're going to enjoy, like, the cheat meals a little bit more also.

Like, you look forward to it as opposed to just constantly. Like we would just sit around. I would just eat Taco Bell because I was lazy to go make a grilled chicken fucking sandwich. And like that's what I would have every single night. I'd have Taco Bell. I'd have McDonald's. It's like it adds up. And then you hear that saying over there like,

oh, if you treat your car like your body like a car, you only get one car and like you're making oil changes and like and you're replacing the bumper. It's like sometimes, man, like you're going to, if you keep putting shit in that gas tank, it's going to fucking kick out.

It's going to, it's going to shift the bed. You see on people's lawns that are rusted out and they don't run. They've been there for decades. That's my body. That's my body in that front yard because, yeah, I don't change the oil. I don't rotate the tires. I don't get it detailed.

I just treat it like shit every day. And then I wake up and I'm like, I feel like shit. And it's like, yeah, dude, you wonder why because all you eat is sugar. That's all that I eat. I got a question for you, Frankie, because I think I'm beginning to have a bit of an unhealthy relationship with food where it's sort of like the thing that I look forward to. most. So it's like, I mean, we had this conversation, I think on the podcast, we were talking about trying to get Frankie into smoking weed.

And I said that like, the only thing that I, like, if you took, if you took food away, I don't even think I would like enjoy it that much. But it's like, I'm so excited. And like, yesterday, I remember at bowling, I was like, all right, I'm going to drink three more beers because when we order this Chinese food, it's going to fucking smack really hard. Everything in my life sort of is building up to food. Right now, I've put on a few pounds.

I've seen it on the, I see it in the videos. I see it on the scales. I've definitely put on a few. What do you look forward to? Because without that piece, I'm like, what, I don't know this is just married life, but like, I guess you feel better, but that's not something I can get, like, excited for. That's something that's like in the background. I'm like, how can I give up this this stoned Chinese food? Like, what do I, what do I fill that void in my life with?

That's such a good question. Somehow some way my brain has switched it into, I'm looking forward to finding a good tasting healthy meal. Every menu we go on, I'm like, oh, that actually sounds really good. And something I would never order. The salmon or the chelaine. sea bass that has peas as opposed to like the fucking double decker cheeseburger that's on the menu and you eat it and you're like that was a fucking good meal and then you're you go out and you maybe you have a glass of wine or like a tito's and soda and you're just like all right i feel way better

than all my friends that are sitting at this table right now that had the bacon and chicken cheeseburger they're drinking beer and they're like i want to go home and take a nap you're like now you're like you're like i'm better than you now you're going for the i'm better than you oh i i'm on your side also it's killing me but like you do at the end when everyone got i used to cream in Nashville. It was the hardest 10 minutes of my entire life. He's on his high horse. He's on his high horse. No. No, it was the hardest 10 minutes of my life. I had to legitimately walk away. I couldn't even fathom these guys were eating the thing that I love to live to eat. But at the end of that, I like didn't have to go to the bathroom. I wasn't like, I didn't have to shit my pants.

Everything about it after. Once you make it through it, I think you actually feel pretty good. Last night, I got the urge to get Ralph's Italian Isis. We had that shitty fucking grilled chicken meal. I watched everyone eat hot dogs and mustard and ketchup and sourcrow and relish and all that shit. On the 4th of July. On the 4th of July. And I ate grilled chicken and fucking pepper kebabs, right? So I'm sitting there. And I'm fucking looking at these people and I'm saying, I want ice cream tonight.

I deserve it. I said, I deserve ice cream tonight. You know what we end up doing? They're like, if you just eat this watermelon right now, it will just, you're that craving that you have right now to like crunch on something cold and sugary will be gone. And I had a bunch of pieces of watermelon and I was done. It was over. I didn't think about it anymore. The thing that I wanted was was cured.

It was craved. Dan, what it might boil down to is vanity. You want to look better. You will look better. I'm married. I'm aware of that. That's a truck card.

What are you going to say now? I will say what Frankie is saying, it is amazing how stupid your brain is. When you want ice cream and you just want it so badly and then you end up eating like a couple pieces of fruit, you don't even think about it. Like the thought that I have to have. have a chocolate sunday with peanut butter sauce and like Reese's pieces bits in it. And that's the only thing that's going to satiate this craving for sugar that I have.

And then you eat a piece of watermelon. You're like, I'm fine. So you don't know. I'm largely with you because I look forward to food more than everything. Like the end of the night is here. I've made it through another God forsaken day on this God forsaken earth. Yeah.

I'm going to have a bunch of candy. And that makes me feel better. I don't know what the solution to that is. because it's their food is the thing that keeps me a lot there's like this ninja there's a ninja um like creamer thing that makes ice cream at home and there's a guy on instagram it's called like uh i don't know what his fucking name is he's got all these these under 200 flexible dieting lifestyles his instagram and he's got all these under 300 calorie ice creams and he'll go to fucking chick filet and he'll get the lemonade from there and he'll pour it into this fucking this little

court and he'll put sugar and all the stuff in there. And he just freezes it and puts it in this creamer. And then it's like a sorbet. And he's eating it every single night. And it's healthy. So there are ways to scratch that it. It just takes a little bit more time. Instead of just going to Carvel and Ralphs and having just the straight sugar injected into your veins, which is what we love to do. It's what we live to do. It's just the other parts just taste a lot of work. I think it's even harder in New York, too. I think it's even harder in New York when there's so many options within walking distance that would just satiate that craving where I'm will be like oh should we cook I'm like or we could fire up door dash and there's 5,000 options that will be here within 30 minutes that are all going to taste way better than anything

you're going to make they just are I will say my mornings are much better when I'm eating healthy like I've been eating healthy for three days and my mornings are no longer an emergency like I wake up usually and I'm like I got shit now has to happen Dan Soder's got that joke where he's like if you eat late you will wake up with the heartburn of like a 25 year homicide detective. And that's how I feel every morning. I wake up and I'm like, his joke is so good. And it's burning. He's sitting there. Grabbing his chest. They killed all those children. It's not as sexy as, you know,

every night I get to eat, uh, chocolate Sunday. But my mornings when I don't do that are so much better. I feel better. It's not. I have to take a shit immediately. So it's little wins. It's not going to be a big one, unfortunately. Yeah. I, I, I, In my head, I have the, I'm still under 30 bit. You know what I mean? So in my head, 30 is a big number where, you know,

oh, I'll just quit, you know, vaping and nicotine and I'll just become like a superhuman at age 30. The problem with the problem with that is that age 30 comes and then you don't do it. And then you really feel like a fuck up. But the wedding is come and gone because we were, Emma and I were both talking about, oh, we're going to do all these wedding diets. Neither of us did anything. We just accepted the way we were going to look at our wedding. And now it's like, I don't really have anything on the horizon to get up for.

If you don't think I'm going to like overdose on food on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, I mean, we're going to like Coney Island on Tuesday. We're getting as many hot dogs as we possibly can. We're doing the whole bit. I mean, I'm going to eat. I'm having Taco Bell. I want it. But I do think if I can keep this, if you can keep it in moderation, that's the best way to live,

I think. Like health, health and moderation. I don't know if that's the way that the doctors would say it. But for me, I think I'm going to try and do that. Well, that's how I look at it. I look at 100% of the time in the past, I'm eating like garbaggio. I'm just eating whatever I want all the time. All of my impulses are met.

I'm like, I want this. So I'm going to have it 100% of the time. I don't think you have to go 100% in the other direction. I think you can go 50, 50. Start slow. Go 25, 75, keep it moving, keep it moving. And then eventually, hopefully the goal is that you don't crave those things that you are craving 100% of the time.

Now you're craving them 10% of the time or 5% of the time. That's it. And it's easy. It sounds easy, but it's fucking hard. But I think that's the way you got to do it. If you want to be healthy, if you want to look a little bit better, again, you're talking to a guy has 265 pounds. Like what advice can you really glean from me? But that's the way that I would look at it.

Yeah. I think you're right. And you also see these athletes like, you know, at Borelli's Tavern then night, we had a couple of guys that are fucking, they're built like gods. And they're able to just eat like pretzels and nachos and pizza. Well, they work out like crazy. They work out like crazy. But the rest of their day also, they just like, they probably just pay attention a little bit more. They wake up.

They have like eggs, like, you know. and then they have grilled chicken and they have quinoa instead of rice and like throughout their day, they're just kind of eating better food. And then at night that once, whenever they go out on a Saturday, they can eat like nine slices of pizza and drink heavy beer. And then they're just fine because they have made their body a little bit better. It just can't be your everyday situation. Right.

Mm-hmm. The bullshit. They can't be it worth something looking forward to. Something that's worth looking forward to is tonight. Brer. Breaking 90 is back. The biggest show in golf, YouTube is back. It's a massive, massive episode.

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Did I lose Trent? No, I'm here. I don't know if Trent's gone. We lost Trent. I just think it's so far. So how many, how many guys do you have? There's probably like,

what, like 10 guys who are waiting now or something? Yeah, we got a bunch of guys waiting. This is what I'm saying about the patience piece that I don't know if you have for the movie. You put that thing out. And one minute later, you go, I haven't gotten a single DM. I haven't gotten a single,

I haven't gotten a single DM. It's been like 25 minutes and there's like 10 grown men. Oh, I've got at least 50. I've got 50 DMs right now. Okay, 50 DMs. You guys should. I wish we could rewind to 30 minutes ago. And Frankie's like, I mean, we're nothing.

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purchase terms apply i want to say real quick before we get to the um calls i want to talk about ricky fowler for a second we haven't really talked about him dan an amazing uh you know ricky fowler's back i mean i think it's it's easy to say that now I felt like it was kind of dirty to say that because he hadn't really eclips what he wanted to do, eclipse. He was falling short. He was in the mix. And now Ricky Fowler is officially back and he did it in orange. He fucking did it in orange.

He did it in orange. I saw a couple clips of you say you should get rid of the orange resurfaced on Sunday evening. It's a loser color if you're being. And that's coming from a guy who has orange and blue all over his fucking little office here. Orange just doesn't hit as hard as the other colors. It's like it's the Knicks. It's the Mets. It's the Islanders.

The Broncos have been, I mean, yeah, they won with Peyton Manning, but like they kind of suck. Texas Longhorns. I feel like orange is a fine color when it comes to sports. Again, Texas Longhorns, like, don't really get it done that often. You know what I mean? There's a lot of misery and despair with the Longhorns. A lot of horns down. There is a lot of horns down.

Yes, Ricky is back. I would say, we're comfortable saying he's back because it's not like he was winning majors before. So it's not a shot of Ricky, but he's back to be in the figure that he was, which is he's going to finish in the top 10 of the pit this year, maybe even in the top five. he's that big of a star whether you like it or not you just look at the guys who were tweeting like little wayne tweeted congratulations ricky fowler like i'm wearing my orange or whatever i don't want to curse because you know this is a family show um but you got a guy like like little wayne who's noticing the rocket mortgage classic or challenge class rocket mortgage classic i think and is is firing up his twitter to to reach out to a pj tour player that doesn't that doesn't

happen with the rocket mortgage classic with any other guy really so yeah i mean ricky is is uh obviously moves the needle in a huge way. Nice to see him back. We got Trent back. I will say one thing. And I'm, I'm turning into a bit of a curmudgeon. I think now that I'm on this side, kind of outside the whole like media ecosystem echo chamber. All the people who are like, oh my God, I can't believe Ricky. Like he went through so much and he could have just rode off into the sunset. Like he's 30, he was 34 years old. Like, are we, we just, we're saying that he's just, he was just going to retire like that. That would have a reasonable move was just like, oh, he was once the number seven golfer in the world, now he's number 130.

So yep, just fucking give it up right off into the sunset. People were acting like he got his leg amputated and he somehow came back to play professional golf when he had billions of dollars in the bank. Like it's a great comeback. It's nice that he wasn't playing so well and now he's playing really well again. But to make this into like an unbelievable triumph of, you know, perseverance and, you know, through the jaws of defeat, like no, he was playing shitty for a little while and now he's playing well again. It's great to have him back, but I don't think we need to make this into like a hero's return

situation. Also, how great is talent? Being talented has got to be the best thing in the world. Just being able to go through not playing well and then just figuring a few things out and still having the talent to win a golf tournament on the PJ tour, which is arguably impossible. Like if you go through the numbers, like when you're born, the chances you're going to win a PJ tour event are basically zero. So the fact that you can come back from being good at it, and then going through a bit of a lull and then being good at it again. Talent is an amazing thing. And I don't know how much you guys have talked about it because I just, my IMAC died.

It ceased to exist for a few seconds and then it came back on. But I've, I've been taking like little weird shots at Ricky for the past few months while he's been playing well because of the Tillery connection. I know Tilleri loves Ricky. I'm just fucking around. But that, when he made that put,

that celebration, that won me back over. I'm all the way back in because the, an athlete like that showing that it means something to them and showing without verbally saying it just like I have been through it. And I know you were just saying like he's Ricky Fowler. He's probably had $400 million for the last 10 years. Like he's going to be all right.

But just knowing that even something like that can still mean something. Money aside, all of it aside. The fact that like he felt it. He felt that monkey on his back for years. He knew people were talking about it. His friends are becoming the greatest golfers in the game. and for some reason he is stuck in neutral for whatever reason that it is and then for him to feel all of that and show it all come off of him at once he makes that put i thought that was very cool

he's cool he's cool he's got a cool factor obviously i mean that reaction was very very cool very memorable i saw a lot of videos of being like what was he looking at and then it was like chubs chubs peterson and happy the sky clapping which was really funny i mean i remember a couple weeks ago when he was at lacc remember and the guy was like what do you doing ricky and he was like you gave him like the shrug. Like that was cool. I think he's just, he's just cool. He looks cool when he does things. It's why they want him in all his commercial. It's a good actor. He's a really good actor. It's a cool factor when you're winning. When you're not winning, you seem a little aloof and you're kind of like, does this guy actually want it? We don't know. But then when you win and you

you just see all of that baggage come off of him, it's very cool. It's a very, very cool golf moment. It's amazing. Yeah. You know, I think we live in a world where everything is so overreacted. I'm probably the number one in that where you have the biggest overreactions for the littlest things. You watch any time the New York Island to score a goal. I act like they just won the Stanley Cup. And to see a guy that wins something that meaningful to him just kind of be like calm, cool, and collected and just celebrate within his own brain. Really, it's just like, fuck yes.

That was really cool and refreshing to see. It's just different. And Ricky's always just been different. He's kind of just built differently. He's got a different vibe to him. He's got a different brand. And he's great for the game of golf. I think when Ricky's playing well, golf is in a better place.

So it's exciting to see him. I mean, the guy is going to be on the Ryder Cup team. How do you not pick Ricky Fallor for the Ryder Cup? You're going to pick him. He's obviously best friends with that the core group. They want him there. He'll be there. So good.

It was a great week for longevity and golf. Bernard Longer got 65 years old. This guy won another major. The guys had the guys had time to win 12, 12 senior majors. He's 12. He's well in double. How many wins does he have on the senior tour is like 45? 46. He just broke the record.

Like who has time to win 46 golf tournaments after turning 50? Most of these guys, they do all their eating on the champions tour right after they turn 50. We saw Phil won his first couple events. Potterick Harrington, our guy has been an absolute force out there. You know, usually they're 50, 51. They're still playing PGA tour events. They still have all that speed. They beat up on the younger guys.

No, no, no, no. grandpa Bernhardt he's almost 66 he's 65 years and 10 months old he's the oldest winner of the u.s senior open by eight years uh so the records just keep coming he he i'm going to say this and i don't mean this in a mean way i think he would agree he looks old i don't know if you guys have seen him in person recently it's not like you know you walk by you walk by phil who's obviously in shape now you walk by potter harrington who's you know still hits the ball a long way you're like oh these guys you know they don't look out of place on him if you saw bernhard and langer on a on a pj to a Ranger now, he'd be like, who's that old man?

He looks old. He's very skinny, obviously very strong. Kick my ass. Kick my ass on a golf course, whatever. I'm saying he doesn't look all that young. It's amazing what he's doing. I want to add one to note here. I would like to see a little more room between the left hand and the chest when he's

putting. Oh, wow. I like to see a little bit more room. I'm not saying he's anchoring. I'm just saying I'd like to see a little daylight. I'm not really seeing any daylight, but an incredible accomplishment from Burrard longer, 65 years old. Does he have the most senior major?

Everything. Everything. He's got a wall. Gary, Gary player won nine senior majors. And then like a normal person was like, I'm done. But Bernhard, I don't know if he hates his grandkids or he's still out there winning tournaments. How is he doing it? Is it like what's the best part of his game? Because I'll be honest, I don't watch the senior like open. He doesn't miss. He doesn't miss. He doesn't miss a fair way. He's obviously not hitting as far as these guys.

No. He's just dialed into the pin. He doesn't miss. And then he makes all his puts, which is why I'm saying I'd like to see just a little bit more room. This is not an accusation. things I wish there was a little bit more room. How far is he hitting his drives? That's a good question. I'm going to see if I can get a little. I mean,

he's made the cut in the Masters like a couple recent times, but it's not like, you know, it's not like Padrig where if he has a good week, he'll finish like fifth on the European tour. Like that's not happening with Bernhardt. Like he's, his game wins on the champions tour and it fucking wins on the He's got to be hitting a 280, right?

I don't, I don't know, man. That seems deep. That seems like a, yeah. I think that dude, he's 267, it looks like on average. 267. This year. He's like 60th in the champion store. His driving distance, he's average on the champion store.

His driving distance, according to this golf.com article last week was 244, which was 20 yards shorter than average. So he's not hitting it that far. Right. So he's just got to be a magician on the greens, around the greens. With his design. Yeah, you just hit it. He hits it dead straight. And then, you know, he puts with a.

a technique that I'm not a huge fan of, but, you know, not taking anything away from him. The guy just won 12 majors. He won two masters. What a strange career. He's got two masters and he's got 12 majors since he turned.

He really hit a stride post 50. It's crazy. It's crazy. We talked about Ricky possibly on the, or definitely on the US Rider Cup team. When you look at the European team rankings, he goes, John Rom, Rom, Rory, Macaro,

and then Janick Paul. Can you talk to us about this Paul fella and what we're expecting to see out of this guy? Because he's going to be on the team, right? Yeah. So the European qualification system is a little facoccus. So there's two lists. You're looking at the European list. There's also the world list.

So I believe that there's three guys who get in on the European list, which is basically only European tour events, which is why Mr. Yonnik Paul is flying so high because he's had a nice German guy. He's had a nice year on the European tour. If you look at the world list, it's kind of more based on the world rankings. and it's more of the players that you'd see. But yeah, there's always like one or two guys who make it because they've had a nice year on the European tour.

Bern Wiesberger made it a couple years ago. Victor Perez was like almost that guy. So yeah, Yonix's going to make it. But the European team is a really arguably a stronger core than the American. That's what Kirk was saying. Like one through four, they've got Rom, they've got Rom, Rory, Hovland, and then you could either say Hatton or Fitz or Fleetwood. So they've got a good team.

They've got to really get one through eight. Like Shane Lowry's had a good year. Patton, Tommy Fleetwood's playing nice. This guy Ludwig could very well make the team. Sergio, not going to be picked? I don't know. No. No.

So that's also a difference is the Americans who are playing live are still eligible. So, I mean, it seems like Brooks. I think Brooks is still third in points, which is crazy because he only played three events. But Brooks will probably be on the team. And, you know, DJ has a chance, or I guess, Taylor Gooch is a chance because those guys, I don't know exactly why, but they're still PGA members. In order to be on the European Router Cup team, you have to be a member of the tour, of the DP World Tour. And all those guys said no, because they don't want to pay the fines.

So like Sergio, Polter, Westwood, those guys are no longer members of the DP World Tour. So they're not eligible. So it's going to be that whole group of like Stenson Casey, those guys are gone. So it's going to be all a new set. I did see that Sergio and Rory buried the hatchet. They seem to be buddies again. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. He said he got a friend back. Got his friend back, which was very nice. Could they still be? I mean, I don't know that this would happen. But could they be assistant captains? I don't know if there's a rule against like, I don't know. I mean, Henrik was the captain.

It's so crazy. So, yeah, that's going to look back. That's going to be one of those things where we look back in a couple of years. And we're like, remember when they stripped him of the captain's saying they made a deal like eight months later? Yeah. Yeah, that's a mess. You did get a short end of the stick if you think about. about it.

I don't know because I do think he kind of used the Rider Cup captaincy as a bargaining chip to get a fatter deal from Liv, which is not the most stand-up guy. Like there's no way he was getting the same deal if he wasn't the Rider Cup captain. He has denied those accusations, but I bet there's some truth to it. I mean, come on. Come on. Like, you think he's, you know, I'm 48 years old over the hill European player who's won a major in the past. Or I'm the Ryder Cup captain.

You want to make a real, a real narrative, fuck you. Make me an offer. True. True. That is very true. I'm loving the way it's shaping up, though. We did think at one point that the Ryder Cup was going to be a dud. I remember people talking about that. We said that on this very show that we were a little bit nervous that the USA was just going to go in and steamroll Europe and that it was just going to become this thing that no one really wanted to watch anymore because the fucking PGA and live and all this stuff messed it up. But it's shaping up to be a great event in Rome. And I think if we can figure out the time slots and when we're going to actually watch this thing, it's going to be a great event. it's going to be like three o'clock in the morning right oh yeah those early that early thursday or early friday is gonna probably start at like two or three a i remember like when they were in france i was like i could barely keep my eyes open for those first t shots i was like this is fucking stupid that's what sucks is the first t shots where it's supposed to be like this is the moment

that guys talk about in their careers i'm gonna be in a rem cycle like i there's just no way i mean i'll get up i will wake up because it'll be worth it but no it's it takes a little bit away from it for us Americans. And I know that's selfish. And I know people say Americans are selfish. In this regard, I agree. Because I want the Ryder Cup to be on at times when I'm awake. You know what REM stands for?

Rapid eye movement. Yeah. What is that? It's just like your eyes are going crazy. So you're actually. They're closed. They're closed, but you can sort of see them moving under the skin.

What's actually happening there? Why is that produced more like, you know, rejuvenation? The dreams are vivid. I wear this whoop, been wearing it for years. And I can tell when I wake up and I was just in a REM cycle, I know it and I'll check and it'll say that you were in a REM cycle because my dreams are extremely vivid when I'm in a REM cycle. It's just a deeper sleep.

Sleep is so weird to me. Oh, sleep is the weirdest. You're not going to get to the bottom of it. We just kind of turn it off for eight hours. Pete Holmes has a great joke about it where he's talking about if aliens ever visited, like and they're asking us questions like, how do you guys get energy? He's like, well, we eat food and just kind of,

that's kind of how we go about it. And the aliens, like, that's great. And then they're like anything else. And he's like, for eight hours, we just shut it down. We just, there's no, no matter how much energy and food we consume for eight hours, we shut it down. And there's no explanation. Really.

If you get, if you go far enough into sleep, if you research it enough, at the end of it, it's, we don't really know why. It's a mystery. It is a mystery. It's one I'm not willing to dive into right now because I don't think we'll get to the bottom of it.