Fore Play - Sam Ryder & The Glorious 2022 WM Phoenix Open

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

Sam Ryder electrified Scottsdale with a Saturday ace at the Phoenix Open. He joins to walk us through every moment. Before Sam, the crew reacts to one of the best weeks golf has, Scottie Scheffler notching his first win during the start of the Super Bowl, Harry Higgs and Joel Dahmen popping tops, Charley Hoffman’s explosive IG post, and Brandel Chamblee declaring “it’s not old school; it’s Barstool.”You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, I'm episode by Barstool Sports. Huge week, I would say, for everything of this show is about the waste management, Phoenix Open, the WM, Phoenix Open, a little bit of a rebrand there. I was there the entire week. Lurch was there for the first time in his life. And I would say that from a media standpoint, the tournament was amplified more so than it's ever been, which again, I think is a great sign for us, one of our guys, Scotty Sheffler,

who follows Barstool, maybe more than anyone else in the world without trying to make people know that he follows Barstool, wins the tournament, a couple aces. I think we're going to have Sam Ryder on this very show to break down the first ace, I think since, like 2015 or so, was the first ace of the waste manager was on Saturday. Then we had the Charlie Hoffman thing, complaining about a rule, and then invoking the Saudis and tagging Riggs Barstool. So there's a lot to get to a lot to get to per usual we got the whole squad for uh now it's myself trent frankie and lurch boys hello how are we fantastic good charlie hoppin tagged you in that tweet yeah oh yeah you didn't see that i didn't see that i did i i saw the tweet i saw he tagged i saw he

tagged saudi's and then i didn't see that he tagged riggs barstile i just dude frankie let me show you this he tagged and this is why it led to phil mickleson saying we'll let you You handle this one, Riggs? He tagged. Golf Channel, Golf Digest, D.P. World Tour, the Saudis. Barstool, Barsall Sports, Riggs Barstool, ESPN, Fox Sports, CBS, and NBC. Oh, boy. So you're the only individual that he tagged.

Correct. No Golf Channel? Golf Channel didn't get a tag? I believe I said Golf Channel. Golf Channel is the first one I said. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, so. All right. Okay. So Riggs, what are you going to do about it? What are you doing to help Charlie Hoffman? Max Homa, who we're going to play very soon in a four-man scramble, he, he texted me that night and said, good luck, Riggs. You have been enlisted now.

You've been requested as the guy that's going to save the PGA door from all outside threat. So, you know, Commissioner of Barstall Classic, I don't know if that necessarily qualifies you for such an important task. but an amazing, amazing, really thing that happened with Charlie Hoffman, the reaction, which I think was a dramatic overreaction from a lot of the golf journals and the blue check marks, but also kind of a crazy statement and tweet and Instagram from him. So we got that's like, that might be, it feels like the sixth thing that we're going to talk about because there's so many things to get to. Tommy Fleetwood.

So Tuesday night, tonight, YouTube, we've been hawking our YouTube channel a lot, maybe it's very important to us. But tonight, eight? Do we know what time it's going on? 8 p.m. Eastern Standard time. We have our first video from our, you know, Foreplay is Taylor Made season two season.

We have like 18 videos, so 18 straight weeks of videos that we filmed very recently with all the new Taylor Made stuff, with all of their athletes. We have Tommy Fleetwood, a short game lesson. Sneaky and subtly, one of the funnier people that we deal with

in a very, again, sort of dry, subtle way, Tommy Fleetwood cracks me the fuck up. Yeah, we got a text from our guy Ebug who said that. And when we're filming it, like everything's happening so fast and we're still kind of nervous to be around a guy like Tommy Fleetwood. You don't want to say something stupid. But Bug texted us and said, Tommy Fleetwood is sneaky, the funniest guy we've ever had

on any of our YouTube videos. And I could definitely see it. And especially for a guy, like, Bug is editing that. So he's seeing that footage over and over and over again. So if he's still, after all that being like, oh, Tommy is actually really funny, Tommy must be really funny and Tommy seemingly loves us.

Every time we're with him we have a great time so all the videos are going to be great and we're starting with Tommy and those are going to be fantastic. We had a really awkward first start with Tommy Fleetwood in our relationship with him.

It was that... You did that. That's more than a youth thing. So for years I said that Tommy Fleetwood just fucks. He looks like a guy that fucks. He fucks all around. He fucks everything that he sees.

He fucks on the golf course off the golf course. He's just a guy that fucks. You place that guy in 1962 in London. He's carrying a guitar walking down the street. You might as well just put him in the fucking Beatles. I mean, that guy would have, I mean, he was born in the wrong era with his little lanky look, his, you know, the tight little ass, and he's got, and he's got that hair flowing. So I've always said that about him.

Pebble Beach, U.S. Open. We're standing behind the 18th Green. He just walked off. We had someone come over and say, hey, guys, we got Tommy Fleetwood for you. And we were like, holy fuck, it's time. I remember it as clear as day Ryan Whitney was with us He was at the US Open that week And he stood there and watched us interview Tommy Fleetwood and he's like This is a huge one for you boys

He gave us all fist bumps We go and interview Tommy Fleetwood We're looking out at the cameraman And then behind the cameraman And then behind the cameraman is Whitney staring at us Being like all bright eyed saying Come on let's go let's go First thing I say to Tommy Fleetwood is

I just got to say man You fuck And it just did not hit It was a swing and a miss he's like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. And I remember looking at Whitney being like, did this guy just say Tommy Fleetwood

fucks right through his face? He was crying, laughing in the back, say, what an absolute clown show. I'm watching here behind E. Tina Pebble. So yeah, really Rocky started. That line needs a little banter. You need a little rapport there to drop that in somebody's mug. First time. It was, listen, I was getting, I was very new to it. It was my first time really trying to get into the mix with these guys at a tournament. You took a swing.

took a swing and I missed, you know, in baseball, you can miss seven out of ten times to be a Hall of Famer. Somebody handed you the bat. They put you at the fucking plate and you said, well, since I'm here, I'm going to dig a swing. You know, I'm probably batting 25 at this point, but, you know, I'm getting some balls in play and we're going to get up there. We're going to get into the batting cages and we're going to figure it out. I will say that we've really grown in that relationship with Tommy Fleetwood to the point where he looked at our new golf balls that we're going to be coming out with Taylor Made. And he's like, I kind of want to play these things. So he is one of our guys tonight's video.

is a tough one for me. It's a real tough one for me. Chipping lesson. Something happened to me where, yeah. It is crazy. Like, we do so much in that day. So when ebug texts you, you're like, oh my God,

and then you try to recount everything, and then you see the promo of kind of you. And so, I don't know, what, we played with like eight golfers in one day. And I forgot the whirlwind of a situation that you got yourself into on that thing. No, couldn't even get it close. No, it was one of those things.

He drops the, oh, this. is the one and then just heavy chunk and it went like a quarter of the way there. He goes, not the one. So that's why I think E-Buck saying he has such a dry British sense of humor, I felt like. You know what I mean? It's like every sitcom you've ever watched. There's a guy like Tommy Fleetwood's type of humor that makes you laugh every time he speaks. He doesn't even have to say something funny.

It's just that line in particular in the promo. This is the one. I chunk it. He goes, that's not the one. And it made us all just die. So it's definitely a must watch. My last thing I'll say on this is YouTube callout, go subscribe. Last time I did this, I threatened everyone to just go fucking be a person, be a human being, figure it out, go sign to your Gmail, log into YouTube, hit subscribe.

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And the second he saw that, he went from in to just out. And he sort of stumbled back. It was like, hey, okay, I got to go and just left us alone. So we've had a couple weird interactions with him. When we see him at Taylor-May Media Day and he rolls up, he's fucking fantastic. He's dry. He does have that British, that Euro sense of humor. So the video is really good.

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Waste management. Best event in the world. Agreed. Trent and I had been, we went on a whim four years ago, something. I think it was like 2018 or so. Trent and I went alone. We just booked our own tickets. The whole company was at the Super Bowl.

We said, fuck this. We're going to waste management. And I had a little bit, I guess, forgotten since that time. We got up at like 5 a.m. on Saturday. We waited in line. They opened the gates at 7. We ran. We were there by like 705, 710.

We get in. We had seats in like the third or fourth row. We didn't see a golf shop from 7 a.m. until like 11 a.m. And it was the most fun we'd ever had at a sporting event. Now I've moved out here. last year was significantly watered down because of COVID and restrictions. So this year is the first time I've ever just lived and been in Scottsdale for the entire

Waste Management Week. It truly might be my favorite event in all of sports to physically be at. It's fucking awesome. And really, any amazing event, especially sports related, relies heavily on the fans. If the fans are into it, if there's massive crowds that are loud and engaged, it makes anything feel like the most important event, most important shot or breakway or throw fourth and one, whatever, in the history of sports. And this tournament, every fucking hole now, it feels like has a massive theater.

And it all builds towards the biggest theater that has 40,000 people around 150, 60, 70 yard par three that are boozing, hang in. You've got like, yes, it's a golf event, but you've got like girls are gearing up, to the nines because it's a party cocktail event on top of being a golf tournament. Guys are trying to wear their coolest outfit because you know it's a party while also being a golf tournament. And then in the middle of all that, you had an extremely strong field this year that included, I believe, 15 of the top 20 players in the world. Scotty Sheffler, one of the most upcoming players in the game, cool, calm customer, friend of the program, took down John Rahm at the Ryder Cup, hasn't broken through yet, breaks through and takes down Patrick Cantlay in a three-hole playoff who Cantley is coming off Fed at

Cup, one of the most consistent players in the world, hasn't finished outside top 11 in a PGA tour event since August I saw since fucking August. He hasn't finished outside the top 11 in any golf tournament. So all of that at play. And then you had the fucking ace on Saturday that all the footage wasn't, if it wasn't enough, if all the chaos and the chanting and the hilarious fans and the environment overall wasn't enough, then on Saturday day before the Super Bowl, the entire internet social media was taken over by Sam Ryder getting this ace, 124 yard shot perfect lands it just right of the pin spins back dribbles into the hole. People are throwing fucking beers left and right.

Complete and utter chaos in a great way where everyone was just having fun. And Lurch was there. It is, I agree with you, especially when you're there in person. It is the coolest event to attend. It's really fun to watch, but it is the coolest event to attend maybe that I've ever been to. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's, we never say that potentially somebody's going to be on a show before they are. But I am interested to ask this person that made this whole and one, how good of a feeling is that and where that they would compare that whole and one to anything else or making a hole in one around the world and how good of a feeling that might stack up to be? Because that event is so good.

It's really tough to put into words. I mean, one, the place is mob. They estimated a half million people roughly are going to be there over the four day span. Over the weekend alone, there was supposed to be 400,000 people. They were, you know, whispers earlier in the week, they were targeting trying to get over a million spectators at the event. Also, the thing that's crazy is the 16th. So that atmosphere gets taken down and put up every year. There's like crown molding in there.

Like, it is done. There's rugs. It is stunningly beautiful on the inside when you're actually in the atmosphere. And yeah, I don't, I was just, I don't, I'm kind of at a loss for words if there's any other better golf tour. I mean, it is so good. Fans are, you know, liable to do anything that they choose to, a whole and one, the beer, everything gets thrown on the course. That was interesting of that. Like from a golfer's perspective, all those beer cans say they're on average at quarter to a half full.

Like, does that affect the course at all? Like, does that affect the green when they just get hooked out there? Can't this ball bounced to like off over a mountain on that punt on 16? Yeah, I mean, it has to. I think it absolutely has to. And yes, I saw people complaining about that, bitching about that. And we get that. We understand like, okay, if you're actually affecting the playing surface, you know,

but guess what? The fans affect everything. When you're standing over a fucking T shot on the 11th T, which is right next to 16th. There are like 20,000 people that can't get into 16 that are standing. And you don't have the buffer that you have on 16. On 16, at least it's a little bit like the Coliseum. Like the fans are back a little bit. They're in fucking grandstands and sweets and stuff.

On like the 11th T-box, we're one of the harder T-shots on the golf course. The fans are four feet from you. And there's 20,000 idiots that at any moment, anyone could have a lurch type voice and they're just trying to talk to their buddy. and they just screeching your fucking back swing. You could have somebody yells something from the 10th green. Like, it affects play. The fans affect play the whole time.

And like when I was walking, this first time I ever actually had access like inside the Ropes, walking literally with fucking Max and his caddy Joe and with Joel Damon, being in there like, you hear shit. You just hear shit. Right before you pull the club back, someone will be like, let's go, Max. Like right before he pulls the club back. And like he hears that. Like he can't not hear that.

And so the whole time it's just committed to that role. Yeah, that's a promo right there. It just affects you, man. Like it affects the whole thing. So yeah, I get that there's a physical aspect to it affecting the balance. But there's a reason that people say, yeah, once a week each year, it's great. You can't have it every week. I never really understood what that meant.

I always thought like, okay, if it's great, then like it could just be great all the time. But it's true because it's not for. everyone. There's certain players that choose not to play this event. And it does affect you. It's quite distracting and annoying. And there's an argument of like, well, all the other sports and football and hockey and basketball and baseball, people are screaming the whole time. But you're removed from it and the reactionary. Golf, you're not removed from it. It's an incredibly intimate experience. You are just walking on grass. People are walking right next to you. When you stand over a shot, you need to be focused on that shot. And sudden like noises or movements will affect how,

the outcome of the entire event. Someone like moving around in the crowd doesn't affect if you fucking snip in the top left corner or not in a hockey game. You're just reacting to what's going on. And in golf, it actually does. So I do agree that like you can't have this all the time. It's a little bit of chaos in golf. But man, having it this week and celebrating the shit out of it

and all the good that came from it, I think the waste management is becoming and will continue to become the best non-major in all of golf. Well, and also it seems like it really takes over the city of Scottsdale. As a guy who wasn't there, like, and I don't know if it's because we're coming off a COVID year where it wasn't as crazy, or if it's because Riggs lives there now and I have more of an inside look at it. But it seems like it's one of those few events. And I guess you could compare it to Augusta in that way where when the master's takes place, it really takes over

that whole, that whole city or that whole town. It just felt like I felt like Scottsdale was the place to be. Like as a guy who was not there, I was like, man, I'm pretty jealous that I'm not there. and there's really not that many golf tournaments. There's really not that many sporting events that are like that where, yeah, there's what's happening, the golf that is happening on 16 and all these other great holes, but it also just seemed like it took over the whole town, and that is pretty rare and pretty cool.

Absolutely. It 100% does. It 100% does. And the other thing is like it leans into Scottsdale, right? Like the waste management, you get tournaments that go to different place and they try to have their own identity that doesn't. in a line with the city or the town. The waste management is perfectly in a line with what Scottsdale is about.

People move here and live here for what the waste management Phoenix Open is. It's a vacation party, young, exciting place with perfect weather and great looking people. And everyone's trying to celebrate that all of the fucking time. And like the waste management has just leaned into that and it works. It's like not, you know, the only thing that that sticks out is that Church Pew Bunker on 18 that shouldn't be anywhere near Scottsdale. But everything else is Scottsdale as it could be in this place. And so it just works because it's the ethos of the town and the part. And you're right, Trent, every restaurant that you go to, it's standing room only at the bar.

You know, it just takes over this entire place. Like Lurch said to me, he's like every person that I went, you know, because he was in town for work, like that he works with is like, oh, you're going over the tournament this afternoon. It's just, it's a part of this entire place for a week. And everybody you know is there. Every Instagram account you follow from personal one to a business one to their own brand is at the tournament at some point and posting Instagram stories of it. So it does take over this entire place and everybody's happy about it. You got a million friends in town. Dana Beers texted me on Saturday like at 10 a.m.

And he's like, you're the smartest person in the world for moving to Scottsdale. He's like, this place is the best place in the world. It's hard not to feel that during the Phoenix Open because the Thunderbirds and the whole crew that run it have done such a good job of leaning into it and embracing it and now amplifying it to the point where, again, I honestly think it's the best tournament outside of any major. Also, they're being rewarded because every top golfer is showing up and now playing in this or a lot of them are. So it's like it's obviously working. And yeah, like when I got my rental car, I talked about a lost podcast. Like the place was like desolate. It was like, I'll take any car in here.

I just got to get out of this place. And then Scottsdale is absolutely flooded with people. And then the amount of people, like they have a small city that literally is grown and built from kind of 15, 16, 17, and 18. And honestly, I think my only cripe with the tournament is that I wish the playoff hole, I wish it went back to. Huh? Is that a form of a crepe? I meant to say gripe. What did I say? I think you might say cripe.

Cripe, which I think might be a form of a crepe. Also might be, yeah, those I would love a crick. Yeah. Brite is an award-winning Indiana MBE multidisciplinary design firm. That's the first result. You were looking for gripe. Sorry. I was looking for gripe.

What's your only grape? My only grape that I wish we could have out there is I wish the playoff went back to 17. Like I understand maybe they got to clear everybody out on 16 security or whatever, but I like the 18th hole. I would like to see, I think, 17 be incorporated in that. I don't think that you could go back to 15, like 15, 17, 18. That would be the only cripey gripe. Well, the, yeah, I would say one of the more underrated positives of the whole tournament

is the golf course. The golf course is perfect for this tournament and for, a PJ tour event. I mean, the winners were 16 under par, which is not that low, especially we had a guy, what, 32 under par, Camp Smith won when we were out in Hawaii. And it's perfect weather, very little wind. There were like maybe two mornings where there was some wind. So you've got perfect weather. You've got almost no wind. And yet the scores were pretty manageable. They weren't crazy lows. Like if you could shoot, you know, three or four under a day, like you had a very good chance. to win the golf tournament, which for these PGA Tour pros, that's a pretty damn good defense

of the golf course. It played pretty firm, pretty fast, and the closing stretch, the front nine is not that exciting. And I would argue when you come out here, like, I live three minutes away from TBC Scottsdale. We never go out and play there. I don't think it's like the most fun course out here to play. It's not bad. It's cool. But from a PGA Tour tournament perspective, that closing stretch, that whole back nine is phenomenal. Like you've got 10 and 11 are. are par fours that can kind of test guys, 12, there's some water. Then you got like par five, you got a long par four. And then when you get into like 15, obviously is a really cool par five.

Water all down the left, water all around the green. So the approach shot's tricky. Guys can make birdie, eagle, or double there easily. They obviously then go into 16. 17 might be the best hole on the PGA tour. It is awesome. It's so easy for guys to make bogey or double on that hole from within 10 yards of the green. or you see eagles, you see birdies.

And then 18 solid. Like you said, Lurch, it's not amazing. I think it's a good closing hole. They should just go back and play 17 over and over again. It would never make it further than like one playoff hole, maybe two. But yeah, you get a really exciting finish where you get guys can go, you know, I believe on Saturday, Max Homo went like four birdies on the last five holes. And then on Sunday, you know, he was, I think, two or three or four over on those

holes coming in. So you get that big of a difference on those last four or five holes. So the golf course delivers. It's just fucking a great, great tournament. Players get really excited to playing it. The fans get pumped up for it. It's early in the year, right? So it's like, we haven't really had any intense dramatic golf yet. It's like Hawaii and they're in kind of California. And then this, it feels, again, with the fans and the Super Bowl and those kind of aligning, that shit's starting to get real. And it just delivers. The Phoenix Open. fucking delivers. There's just, yeah.

Yeah, what are you saying? Just wanted to give my thoughts on the golf, on the golf tournament. We just watched this weekend, but basically is, um, what I was going to say, Lurch,

is that I enjoy that the players have bought into it, um, as much as the fans have. It looks like they mark their calendars for the, that's the week that they're going to really let loose, wear jerseys around and the whole thing. Justin Thomas puts up like, what jersey am I going to wear on 16?

You know, Harry Higgs is showing his nipples, which we'll get to. They're popping the tops off. It's as great of an event as you can possibly have. My question to you guys is, is it okay to say that it's almost too much for me to want to go enjoy, like Trent would never want to go to the waste management and be on 16?

Dave Port and I tweeted out, like, am I too old by saying I'd rather die than be stuck inside that, that mosh pit of people? Is it okay to say it's one of the best tournaments to go to fucking awesome, but like it's not for everybody, right? and not in the sense that like it's not bad for golf. I'm just saying there's a lot of people I'd be like that that's like just. Have you, did you see anyone, did you see anybody tweeting,

I've been to the tournament, it sucks being there? No. It's just people that weren't there that claim that they wouldn't like it. Well, no, it's like, yeah. It's like it's easy to say, but like when you're there, it's awesome. I don't, I don't deny that. I'm saying, is it, is it possible to have both scenarios be true? It is an amazing event to go to.

And like, yeah, you get to see a whole one and everyone's throwing beer cans on there. But like it obviously would be better if you weren't in the beer filled like arena as opposed to not. I think a lot of it comes down to age. Like I think if you took the app, if you just took that whole swath on 16 where all the crazinesses and averaged out the ages, it would be lower. Like that's, is that kind of what you're saying? Like you're not seeing. It's like saying, do you want to go to a college football game? do you want to sit in the student section

or do you want to go sit in a part of the stadium where you can just enjoy the game? I think what it comes down to is you just got to fall into the right age category. And for that age category, there's no better place on earth. Totally. It's just like going to like the best bar in town

or a college town and you're like, oh my God, it was a greatest night of all time last night. But then in reality, you put a camera on what that bar looked like and it's shoulder to shoulder. You can't walk in. You got three beers from the bar and that's it. Like you had to go back. back to, like, it's still super fun, one of the greatest memories you ever going to have.

If I'm just saying, it's like a, it's a chaotic, ridiculous environment, which I don't think is for everyone. You definitely got to know what you're signing up for. Right. Well, there's also, it's, the 18th hole is like a club. Like, the 16th hole is a madness party. And, like, Riggs made a point earlier on where it's like, this doesn't have to be every weekend.

It's all part of growing the game because it's a different way to view it. But what you see privately and, like, what that tournament actually is publicly. the 18th, 17, 18th, 17, 18 hole are like kind of reserved, but it's also really nice on the, like the infield part of the course that Dave would go to and sit there, you know, with like his hat or whatever and enjoy the finishing holes. That's much different than what I saw. Right.

I was going to say there's a bunch of different options. Like there's the bleachers at 16, which is like a bleachers at fucking Wrigley Field. That's like chaos and peanuts and fucking beer all over you. And then there's also really nice sweets, like the Axon Suite that, like Lurch was in with his like company and stuff. They got like gourmet food right behind you and like cocktails and like a ball. Like there's a that's like most of 16 is actually that. They're like really nice sweets where you're not getting beer tossed on you at all.

You're under like a fucking, you're basically under like a really nice club building that was built. And it's the same way, you know, in a lot of the different parts. So I guess what I'm trying to say is like that that the image that people are kind of reacted to of like, oh my God, beer being spilled. That's the first time that it happened in seven years that there had been a whole and one there. Like, people aren't throwing beers all over people. You know, yeah, the bleachers are the bleachers like they are anywhere. Definitely. A whole hundred percent understand. But also like when Dave goes to Kentucky Derby, he's not in the grindy bleacher part. He's sitting up in a fucking really nice, like sweet with like Lurch said his hat and like having nice

food brought to him. So I think you can clearly get a little bit of everything. Like our boy, Josh Isner, I put him in Dave's category. He's not. His favorite. week of the year is like waste management he's not grinding it out in the bleachers getting beer thrown all over you kidding me you'd have those people arrested and tased in a fucking heartbeat right so like you can have kind of whatever experience i guess you want i totally get people being like man if i was sitting in that blows bleachers uh and and i had you know drunk college age kids throwing beer on me i'd rather be anywhere else in the world definitely understand that i guess what i'm trying to give a is like lurch said you you there's a lot of different experience you can have i'm sure they're going to

depend on money. Right. If you have money, you can have like a really nice sweet experience. But yeah, it's, it's definitely a bit of a younger crowd, even the older people that are there. It's a, it's no different than when somebody does go to like a nicer high-end nightclub. If you're older, you're trying to feel fucking younger. That's why you do it.

That's sort of the experience that you're chasing. And it's a younger fucking collegey, ASU type crowd there. So I do get that. I guess they've just also done a really good job of offering all kinds of an option. because if you have a million people going to a golf tournament, you're probably going to need to offer more options. But yeah, that scene on 16,

I could see people, too, being like, with the ace being like, I do not want to be in that whatsoever. But that's where the question that I had came up, because that was the image of everyone saying, greatest tournament in the world.

So that, we didn't see the crown molding at the axon thing. We saw like a guy in the middle, literally going like this as like the biggest douchebag of Sigma Kai, whatever fucking of Arizona State is literally pouring beer on his forehead because the guy had a whole in one. So like some people are gonna love that.

I would, if I was in that scenario and I'm on like a bachelor party, like get me in the mix. If I'm still in my fucking 20s, I want to go nuts and go crazy. I'm in the mix, but like, there definitely was that argument on Twitter to be made

where it was like, if that's the image of why it's the greatest tournament on earth, I could see why everyone's like, well, I'm just gonna pass then. If that's the best that we have to offer, to go and, visit.

You guys understand what I'm saying? Totally. Because I'd rather see a picture of 12 at Augusta and be like the greatest event on earth. It's like, holy fuck. Like I need to be there right now. I can feel it. I can sense it. I can taste it.

I mean, you're washed up, baby. Let's go. On this, on the podcast, you're washed up, baby. Come to my end. On last week's podcast,

I said, I've been to a bachelor party in seven years because I don't want to go. Come to my end. Water's warm. We hang out. We go to bed at 10.30. It's like, I don't know anyone.

I don't know. I don't know that if you gave anyone like the chance they'd want to always be in that situation on 16. So the other thing, Frankie, it's like it, because it's a part three, you think it's small. You're washed. It's a hundred, what, it's probably, it's literally two football fields long of stands. You know what I mean? It's 170 yards. You got to add a little bit on like the boundary of each side. So it is massive.

Like there is a section that goes absolutely ham and there's different parts of it. but that's obviously one hole. And yeah, when I say it's the best tournament ever, just walking around and the energy towards this golf tournament was amazing. Like, I don't deny that. That's what got me so excited. I'm not saying, I'm just saying like their poster tweet or video or picture was that mayhem.

And I loved it. I loved Harry Higgs. I loved Joel Dame. I loved everything about it. I literally went crazy when it happened. I'm screaming at the TV. I was laughing so hard. I'm just saying if that's the poster,

if that's what, like that I could see why people would be like if that's the best that that tournament has to offer count me out but they have to just do a better job of showing everything else like you know what I mean like or just another tournament like a tournament the next weekend you know what I'm saying so it's like yeah yeah I mean they get a million people go and I don't I think they're marketing it fine I think it's like people are checked up it was fun man it was washed you're washed you're washed so loud we didn't hear what you said I said you're If you do go next year, you might want to bring some dude wipes. We have a serious chat about, you know, bathroom habits. You probably need to have one. It's time to quit shitty, scratchy toilet paper and switch to dude wipes. Dude wipes are extra large, flushable wipes made with plant source fibers designed to give your butt a cleaner, more refreshing, finished than TP after dropping a deuce. Dudewives will change your life.

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I think that's such a good idea, and not to toot my own horn. I think somebody's going to do it next year. Any pun with the toot your own horn? No, but I'm just speaking in riddles and poems now because I guess that's the way that it is. I think, because that's a part of the problem for me. It's not a big problem, but like when the Super Bowl is on,

it's unlike any other sporting event in that you have to sit down and watch the commercials, or you're going to be outside of what a lot of people are talking about the next day or on Twitter or wherever, where if you're a company and you want people to like you and you want a good commercial, a creative idea, that's what everybody's trying to do. They spend millions upon millions upon millions of dollars

for these 30 second slots. Why not break the mold and put up a, say, in big letters, bathroom break 30 second clock or however much time that you, you purchase and give people a break. And then at the end of the commercial, throw up a logo, I think you get a lot of loyal customers for life if you do something like that. And it's certainly,

that would have been the best commercial yesterday because the ones yesterday stunk. Were you struggling to go to the bathroom during the Super Bowl? I didn't. I didn't find that that big of an issue. I just went and peed like whenever I needed to pee. You missed something, though. The game was, I don't care. I don't miss one of the plays.

Oh, well, then we're talking. I'm not talking to you. Oh, okay. There's definitely, I've never had a problem going to the bathroom during the big game. It's not one of those things where I'm the, you go and get chips and, I mean, there were, you know, talking to people and stuff. I definitely missed some things that happened. I agree.

I like that type of, like, what is it, is it, what type of marketing would that be considered? I mean, the crypto company did it. It was like a, it's a completely different form of marketing where you're not even going to promote your product. You're just going to make a scene. So, yeah, I mean, there's, there's definitely room for that. I like that idea. I don't not like that idea.

I like the idea. I think you would accomplish it at a much higher rate than the other companies are. I think a lot of the other companies are failing. What I'm finding out about that idea is it is better written. Like when I talk about it, you guys are like, you guys are poking holes in it. When I tweeted, I don't have to listen to anybody else. I think if you watch a Super Bowl like this and you just sit there and be like, all right, I'm just going to watch Super Bowl today and everything that's happening, I need to consume.

Sure, but like last time, I must have made myself 15 plates of nachos, pretzel bite. you know, little mini one-byte pizza things. I mean, come on. There's things I miss for sure. I didn't need a commercial. I didn't once take my eyes off the screen. I didn't need a commercial to go tell me to fucking spank myself, you know, at the, at the buffet line. I mean, come on now.

I'm always looking for something to tweet about. That's why I don't want to miss anything. It's not a bad idea. It's just you definitely get up during the Super Bowl. That tweet did, no, because I know. I know you. No, you know, you didn't stand. You know what? Let's talk about something else.

Did you stand once during the Super Bowl? What? Did you stand once? Did you, after you sat down for the first time, when that kickoff came on at 6.30, Eastern time, did you stand up until that game was over? A couple times, yeah. Okay.

Barely, though. Did you watch every second of the TV from, like, the minute the coverage started until it was over? Honestly, yeah, pretty much. I want to, I like to know. I like to see it all. I want to watch the game. I want to see the commercials.

I want to make fun of the commercials or I want to be like, that was a good commercial. I love all that stuff. I don't like it either. I, I can choose. You see a commercial. I wasn't as into it as you were.

But I get it. If you're that into it, you probably needed a bath. You couldn't find one 30 second break to go to the bathroom. I didn't want to miss anything. I love that about you, dude. I do.

I respect that. That's crazy. That's great. Theatrix guy. You're a theatrics guy. You're locked in, man. I'm a, you know what I am? I'm a loser Twitter guy.

Like I, I want to just tweet about, like, how many tweets did you get up during the commercials? I'm getting the, I'm getting, I'm getting, I don't know the number, but I'm getting the vibes that everybody else in this group went to a Super Bowl party, which is cool. That's, Super Bowl parties are definitely cool. I was just sitting here. I ordered a bunch of wings for myself and I was like, I can't wait to tweet about it.

Which I love. I went and got the party pack boxes from Taco Bell, and I brought four of those things. We're talking 48. soft taco Supremes I brought to this party. I didn't eat them all. I definitely ate seven though. I ate seven soft taco Supremes. Was it well received? Oh my God. Do people are crazy. Come on, man. You walk in with those. I had four suitcases in my hand walking into the party. Most people bring beer. I was I was strapped with soft tacos and you'd think that this was pretty good, dude. That's a pretty good idea.

This was a party for like eight or nine people. So there was a lot of tacos to go around. A lot of people didn't them. But yeah, it was well received. I do want to say, if you want to blend the golf talk with the Super Bowl talk and something that the waste manager needs to figure out, especially for this week, my goodness, do they have to start earlier if they, you have to bait, you have to bank in sometime for at least two playoff holes because I got to be honest with you guys. The second Scotty Sheffler missed that put and we saw it was going to overtime.

Overtime. Someone said that at the party. They said, oh, when is it going to over time? time and I fucking ridiculed him. You know what it was? It was my fucking buddy Rob. That fucking guy who never smiles at work. He fucking said, is it going overtime?

I said, who the fuck calls it overtime? And I just said it on a fucking golf podcast. The second I went to a playoff, we turned it up because you have to watch the national anthem that fly over. We had it on like a little phone. I was keeping track because it was Scotty Sheffler, but come on, guys.

How many people do you think dropped off to go watch a Super Bowl during the playoff of the waste management? 95%? but I think it's a tough calculation because I think that they get a significant boost if they run as close to right into the Super Bowl as they can. That was a miss though. That's a miss though. It was a miscalculation because.

But I don't know if there is because I don't know that they don't care who sees the ending. Right. I think that they get the people viewing leading up to and then if people like missed, then you were already sacrificing people missing by not do it. You see what I'm saying? So I don't know that they really care that much. Like you have a drop off.

It's just as a product for a viewer, like we want to be satisfied and see the winner of the golf tournament. So it's almost like going to a restaurant and the restaurant being like, well, we got all these bodies in. We don't care about the product. Like, at the end of the day,

I don't care if I give them dessert. Like, just they got here. They were here anyway. We got their money because they fucking paid for dinner. Like, I didn't get to fucking eat dessert. I didn't get to watch them. They had to turn on the Super Bowl. You have to turn on the Super Bowl.

I do. I didn't see a second of the Super Bowl until midway through the second quarter. This guy. This guy was one. Oh, now. the bathroom whenever we want. We just learned a lot about you then.

That's, yeah. I was just more into the goal. I would also say that this is partially mitigated, partially mitigated by the fact that like multiple screens or streaming. Like, even if you drop, like if you drop it off the TV, somebody can put it on their phone or,

you know, not to chew my horn as a billionaire, but I have two screens here in my living room. So it's like, I just put them on both. And that's actually a really good viewing experience. You put the sound on, listen to the national anthem.

And then you got Scottie Schaeffler and Cantley. dueling it out. Like, that's actually pretty nice. I don't think it's, people definitely drop off. Like, I'd say 98% of people that were watching the tournament turn to the Super Bowl. Is that a fair estimate? 95%? I think that's high.

Yeah, it's really high. Wow. I would say, talking about the Super Bowl here again. Hold on. Are you saying no, like, flipping back and forth? Because I was flipping back and forth. I'm saying at 630 once like you knew Super Bowl coverage of starting, right after Scottie missed

that, you turned on, you turned on the Super Bowl. That number's high. The number's high. and it might be where Frankie's putting it. Also, every TV in America watches the Super Bowl. And no disrespect to Cantley and Sheffler, but they're not like household names, so to speak. Grones were happening across America when he missed that putt because everyone was like this can't go to a playoff. We've watched, I will say this, it was the greatest lead in to the Super Bowl.

Just being able to go to the party, we were at a buddy's house from one o'clock until whenever we ended up leaving. From one o'clock till 6.30, you're watching really good golf. Everyone's talking about it. We have bets going. The whole thing. We're on a Barstall sports books. Everything you love about waste management watching on TV is that. And then as Scotty Sheffler missed that putt, groans happened throughout the whole house, the women, everything.

And then we had to turn it off. You have to turn it off. I think Riggs is right. I think they got what they wanted. It was a crazy finish. I mean, Sheffler came from the clouds, too, because, like, you know, he was nowhere to be found on 17. then I'm going to butcher his name. Sahith.

No, I think it's... I actually think so... Sahith. Sahith. Anyways, he puts in the water. Cantlay misses his puck to basically win the tournament on 18. It was crazy finished that way. But no, I was a last guy.

I didn't jump to the Super Bowl by any means. I like, oh, okay, what's going on over there? I missed the national anthem. I think I missed kickoff. Yeah, I didn't even, but I'm not saying we're in the... majority. I definitely get it. But I don't, I just would rather, I'm also, I like the end of things more than, like, I would way rather watch these pressure moments in a playoff in the golf tournament than the

kickoff in a football. You didn't have, you didn't have coin on the touch of the first kickoff touch back then. I wish I had. Yeah, it was good. You didn't have coin on the. Sports book was minus 106. Yeah, you didn't. Yeah, you guys weren't into the Super Bowl, which is fine.

I mean, the, the theatrics. If I'm going to go to see a voice. If I'm a Super Bowl official and listen to this, I'm, I'm, worried because I thought that everyone watched every second of the Super Bowl clearly. I think we just lost. National Anthem, the time, how long is she's going to sing it? I mean, it's a yearly tradition. Scotty Sheffler, I fucking love that, man.

He's a huge foreplay guy. At the end of the day, I got to see, I got to watch the Super Bowl once a year. Yeah, that was just, again, it's personal preference. That's what I was more into. And then I get to catch most of the Super Bowl. It's not a big deal. Wasn't that big of a deal for me. I just flip over when I can flip over.

And I watched it. I don't know that 95% of people that are watching. watching the golf because I feel like if you're choosing to like watch golf you're pretty into golf right like I that's not as mainstream I guess because I was in a with a big group of people here to watch the Super Bowl every single person I'm watching the golf with is a huge golfer we love golf we watched seven hours of it leading up to it it was it was no one even blinked at the thought that you have to turn on the Super Bowl once I went to a playoff we did switch back and forth once I was I had it on my phone and I'm like oh like Scotty's got this put

Cantley's got like we'd you'd go back after you saw the theatrics of the Super Bowl it's just a Super Bowl it starts at 630 you got it you got it Jim Nance you have Al Michaels and you got fucking Chris Collinsworth coming in you got the whole thing you got to watch it fucking football yeah I the golf tournament I leading up to the Super Bowl is smart because it's the best thing on that day like who is watching those fucking pregame shows that last for eight hours you just go down if you're your TV guy and it's like Super Bowl pregame, Super Bowl pregame.

And it takes up the entire day. I can't watch that. And I don't know who can. So golf is the best alternative on Super Bowl Sunday before the game. Especially waste management with the excitement down the stretch, 16. Like the fact that they go through 16 and it's the now it's not just a novel novelty thing throughout the week. Now it's all of a sudden the tournament's on the line and they're going through 16 and hitting shots and getting booed. It is great leading up to the game for sure.

I don't think you're wrong. Bringie. I think they got to get it. It's not the first time this has happened. I mean, we had like Hadecki and Ricky, I believe, went to like a six or seven or eight whole playoff several years ago that bled into like half time almost of the cerebral. And that's, yeah, I agree with you. That's not ideal.

But I do think it's a tough, again, I think it's tough timing-wise for them to nail it down because I think they want to sort of benefit from people starting to get into viewing mode and turn on the finish of the Phoenix Open because they're already like ready to rock for sports in the Super Bowl and everything else. I do think it's a little bit tough. But yeah, I saw plenty of people bitching that it ended early

because I think most people were like you. I think they're going to change it to the Super Bowl over a golf tournament, you know, in February. You're talking about what, a 30 minute difference, maybe just like tweak it? It's not that big. It's not like how long did that playoff last?

Yeah, but then if there's no playoff, it ends like an hour and a half before the Super Bowl maybe. and you're sort of like there's a like then leave and I don't know like allows people to like go to their parties or turn on the Super Bowl go get food like if you're really trying to engage all these sport watchers it's just too tight

you're watching all day golf and then you're watching all night football it's just way too tight for such a big sports day it's just I wish it was just a little bit regimented better to the schedule uh you know who regiments things perfectly boys Peter Milar

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Go check them out. Brandlchambly, best analyst in the game. A couple of huge shoutouts for Barstle Sports. And he came up with one of the great quotes. in history, which we obviously put on a t-shirt. I own a couple beers because we stole his quote, put it on a t-shirt, we're going to make money off of it. So I own a couple beers at Isbell's Kitchen,

one of the best spots in town, which I'm going to buy them, make good on it. But he, in his little spiel about the waste management, Phoenix Open on, I think it was Friday, he said, no, it's not old school, it's bar stool. And that quote is so appropriate for the Phoenix Open, for everything that we've talked about thus far, for ushering in the new era of the game.

He elaborated more even on Saturday morning before coverage started going on and on about how clubs need to embrace the younger, newer culture of golf. They need to not be against it and adverse to it because that's going to hurt the growth of the game. The way that you help the growth of the game

is embrace what the new generation is into, which is more relaxed. And that's not just about golf. That's about everything. People don't fucking wear suits anymore. People that go to work don't wear the same shit that they do, or at least not the same rate that they did.

It's a lot more casual. Everything about life is more casual. Steakhouses that you go to, I see people in hoodies and they're wearing hats. And obviously that's going to be true about golf as well. If you have this whole younger, newer generation that's now starting to get a little bit older, they're starting to have kids and families and make a little bit more money. If you try to stick in your old ways, if you have to dress this way and you have to act this, they're not going to fucking like golf.

They're going to stay away from it. They're going to find something else that embraces what they like to do and their culture and their style. The waste management encompasses all of that and has done such a phenomenal job of it. And Brandel leveraged that into an excellent rant spiel, whatever you want to call it, about how golf needs to continue to welcome what we've been saying for years on this show if it wants to continue to grow. And he's fucking spot off. I feel very blessed to be living in this reality that that is the case.

You know what I mean? Because we could be living in a reality where it's the other way, where it's just we, I want, to sit around in sweatpants and go to a golf tournament like the Waste Management Phoenix Open. But instead, everyone's like, why isn't everyone wearing suits? Why aren't you guys being more dressed up? So that's something to think about because we are living in a time where our style or like in style in terms of like the media company that we work for, the whole world is heading towards that as opposed to the other thing. And that is, that's just a great, great spot to be in. And Brandel's right. It's not an old school golf tournament. That's not what it's

trying to be. It's trying to be more open to everyone. So everyone is having fun. Everyone wants to to get involved. And that's what it is. And he gave us a great quote. And again, it's a great time to be living in for you guys like us. Yeah. You can look at it either way. You're either going to hate it. You're going to love it. And no one's going to cater to either person. You're just going to, everyone's just going to do what everyone's doing. Does that make any sense? Like the world just reacts this way now. So golf is just going to be that way. And I, agree with you, Trent. Like, the fact that golf is just, is just going with it and not catering to a specific

person, just going with the flow is an amazing, amazing thing to see because we thought that golf would be the only thing in the world that would net would, they'd always say that you have to, you know, you can't eat with your elbows on the table and you have to take your hat off when you speak to your mother and all this stuff. It's fucking crazy. Like, that's not the way the world is going. Golf was always a step or two behind. But now you're seeing this is what 18 to 24 year olds do at events when,

they drink. They fucking go crazy in the crowd. They throw beers on the fucking green and they go nuts and they pour beers on their heads. That is what the waste management is just accepting and allowing to happen. And it's amazing to be able to see that because that's just what they do. If you tell them not to do it, you're not going to have any fun. You're going to turn them away from the game. We're just allowing what's happening to happen. Right. And if you fight it, you die. You absolutely die. In terms of a sport like golf. Like if you fight it, You can continue to clutch your pearls and keep putting up barriers and closing down these clubs and only letting certain people go to them. Obviously, that's still happening a lot.

But in terms of something like this, like if you go against it, people are just going to find something else to do. Because there are other leagues, other events, other sports that are going to embrace it and they're going to grow. And luckily, like Frankie is saying, golf has not decided to turn their back on it. In this instance, they have decided to go with it and they will grow as a result. Look at all the videos that came out from this tournament. That is a result of embracing this new, younger, social media-driven society and culture, and it's going to help you grow. People can hate it. People can dislike it. The dinosaurs can try to fight against it and become extinct. But if you don't fight it and you roll with it, you will grow with it.

They're also explaining the success of Barstall Sports. That's just like why Barstall Sports is successful. They took a bunch of people from the regular. lifestyle of the people growing up on this planet, this generation. And they've just, we're now, quote unquote, the voice in some sort of sports world that we are part of the golf world and we do the things that we think most people do. And that's just now getting accepted. That's why Brayneill says it's not old school. It's barstle way of doing things, aka the normal way that people just grow up in this

generation and do things. That's just the thing that has to be accepted. And when we get asked that quite a bit of, hey, I, I really like some advice. I'm going to start a podcast. I'm trying to get into sports media. I don't know. We just are us.

We're just real and raw. And we actually don't know. We don't know the answer to that because it turns out that what media was lacking and what Dave Portnoy was such a genius and figuring out was that if you have a pretty good platform and you're just speak about things like most people fucking speak about things and have normal opinions and thoughts and try not to be somebody that you are not and try not to be. some buttoned up robot, you'll actually resonate with everyone or pretty much everyone or at least an enormous chunk of people that will then continue to build and grow your audience. And that's what we do. We don't talk about golf with any crazy analytical background. Yeah, we try to be prepared. We try to be up to date on what the hell is going on so that we can bring them up and discuss them

on the show. But we talk about golf like normal people talk about fucking golf. And that's what barstool is. That's why chicks in the office. They talk about entertainment and what's going on in TV. TV shows like normal people that are sitting around having a wine night watching The Bachelor, talk about that. And the same with part of my take and football and the same with Dave and all he's done. And that's what we do. And that's exactly what Brando was alluding to. And again, that's why I kind of brought in sort of the whole, you know, shifting cultural landscape and that things are more casual and more chill and more raw and real. And there's less of this like professionalism in all of the world now. Because I,

I think professionalism is largely just a term for pretending you're somebody that you're not and acting a way that you don't typically act. And what we do and what golf is now bringing out in people is that you're out there to have fucking fun. There's four and a half hours that golf is competing for with so many other ways to entertain folks. There's streaming services. There's e-sports. There's a million new games popping up all of the time.

There's more access now to finding ways to entertain yourself. than there ever was before. People are almost never bored now. It's almost impossibly bored. You have so many options to entertain yourself. Golf is trying to capture four and a half, five and a half, six hours of your time,

if you factor in the commutes each way and a beer afterwards. That golf needs to be fucking super fun. Otherwise, it's going to lose out. People are going to find other stuff to do. It's going to be impossible for them to justify with their friend group or with their wife or with their kids that they're going to leave for five hours and go do something.

It needs to be awesome. and people now are expressing themselves in the golf world saying like, I want to be able to wear what I want to be comfortable. I want to be able to listen to what I want to listen to. I want to be able to hit shots the way that I want to hit shots, play by whatever rules I want to fucking play by. And the fact that golf forever was against that, I think was a big part of the reason you saw declining numbers and declining numbers and declining numbers,

people leaving the game, people not playing as many rounds. Now that it's embraced that, accompanied obviously with golf being one of the main things people were still allowed to do during the pandemic, but I think people are sticking around. and being like, yeah, golf actually is more accepting that I thought it was going to be. This is really fun being out here ripping around in a golf cart, hitting shots, being able to occasionally hit a drive, 250, 300 yards, and have a good time with my buddies. And it doesn't matter how I play.

It doesn't matter what I look like or what outfits I wear or the way that I speak when I walk into the clubhouse. Yeah, there's certain occasions where we like that. We've said that many times. We like that Augusta holds itself to that. And it feels like it's the 50s. But you can't have that everywhere. You need to overall be able to be accepting of people, being whoever the fuck they want to be when they play golf.

And that's why golf, I think, is continuing to boom. And that's the only way it's going to boom. Yes. And Brandel's right. Brandl's right. Brandl-chambley fucking said that. He said, he said,

maybe have a vape. I think he said that. Did he say that? I think he said maybe have a vick. I don't want to dog him. The terminology was fun, but he, it was funny because then Rich Lerner was like,

did you just say vaping on this program? And he was like, people should be able to do whatever they want on the golf course. He was right, but it was very funny to hear, Brandel say that. Yeah, I can't. Picturing Brandl say vape is very, very funny.

It was funny. So he's right. Big shout to Brando. He's the man and we owe him some beers because we put that on a t-shirt that people can get at stored at Barsallosports.com and they're really good t-shirts with the-shirts. It's selling like hotcakes that people said. They're selling fast. Our design team, too, is how about our graphics team whipping up that little sketch of the

16th hole? It's insane. I don't know if we're allowed to say that even. maybe of just that sketch, whatever that sketch might be. Who knows what that sketch is. It could be anything. It really could be anything. It's just a cool sketch, whatever they came up with. Their art.

I don't understand art. I don't understand art. I was all the ears on the green. I liked it. Can we talk about Joel Damon and Harry Higgs? Loved it. Loved every second of it. Are they not the best?

Mm-hmm. Harry Higgs with that premeditated thought to say, if I'm going to drain this put, I'm going nips out for the boys, is so good. It's so, so good. the crowd loved it as as expected and it's just it was happy Gilmore it was it was chaos like the way the cameras were on Higgs and then they went to the crowd and then when they came back to Higgs he's running around the green and Damon's just in the middle of the green just going crazy with

his shirt off it was unmitigated chaos and it was beautiful and it took over everything once again people were throwing beers again when they did that amazing. Right. And if people don't question this, but if they would ever question why we love those too so much and why we have them on the show, why we played a four-man scramble against Damon,

and I would imagine we're eventually going to go against Higgs, like these are the guys. Like these are the types of guys that we love, that the game of golf loves, that more people should love. And we're talking a lot about like how to grow the game and like what to embrace. And like those two,

their voices are the ones you want to amplify because they're funny. They're normal. They love golf. They're spectacular at golf. And they're just types of, they're the type of people that once you introduce them to someone else, they're going to love them too.

So it's like you want to keep showing people, Joel Damon and Harry Higgs because you know that they're going to like them and in turn are going to like the game of golf more. And the more you have of that, the better. And the Netflix show, which I understood that they're obviously out in Scottsdale and they were filming during this whole thing and following

these two. Like the footage from all of that, that whole thing is going to be so great that like, I just can't speak highly enough about Harry Higgs and Joel Damon because they're fucking awesome. Those guys are so cool and so good for golf and so the opposite of what I think a lot of the negative stereotypes are about golf. So they're going to continue to be huge for the game. And then I got to give a shout out to those guys to our guys. Just the access and acceptance that they have of us of me this past week. I mean, at one point I walked up, J.T. Posten, by the way, we've had him on the show. He's the fucking man, too.

I'm going to lump him in with those guys. Him, Keith Mitchell, uh, Poston's caddy. Aaron Fleener is an awesome guy. But I rolled up, you know, we, you guys know how it is. And we have these inside the ropes passes, like, we don't really know what to do with them. We don't like, we don't really have much of a plan. We're not, we don't, we don't know what to do.

We're just out there to try to get some insight and just kind of be in the mix. We're just like, eh, I think if we're in the, the mix. It could be like good and we'll see what happens. I rolled up to the 10th T on Thursday and it was Joel Damon, Keith Mitchell, and JT. Post and standing on the tea. And immediately, every one of them walking by is like, oh yeah, why don't you roll with us? And I'm rolling with them. And they're asking me after each shot. Like, what did you think about that? Oh, look at, you hear this guy over in the crowd and just chit chat with them. And then Saturday, Max Homa's in the mix, him and his caddy Joe. He's like, what, two, three off the lead, four off the lead, maybe

going into the weekend. He was in like the third to last group. And I walked the entire front nine with Max. Max is coming over to me. He came over to me after one T shot, walk down. People are screaming. Crowds are crazy. And he just pulls me over and he's like, Riggs, what do you think you would shoot out here?

Just walking the whole way up the fairway to his ball. We just debated what he thought and I thought I would shoot out there. And so you think these guys are like in the arena, right? They're like in uniform. They're super laser focused. And they are. But they're also been like the reason we've been able to be successful, those guys are so cool to.

us and the fact they give us like their time they give us the time of day max home was willing to do the scramble with us next week during his week off when he's finally not supposed to play golf and travel around the world for his job he's going to spend like five hours filming a video with us that it's not a sponsor's exemption we're not paying him for it he's legit just going to be like yeah i'm going to spend one of my days off before i fly all the way to florida and then continue traveling over the world for my job i'm going to spend five hours filming a video with you guys because it's just going to be fun so i got to give a shout out to that whole crew of guys who have just welcomed us.

And this past week was no different. It was actually even cooler than majors because majors, everybody's a little bit more serious. But just being in there and literally hearing every single thing and having these guys not like scoff at the idea that I was kind of in there, but just be like almost, I was just part of like the group. I felt like I was somebody's caddy just like rolling around with the fellas out there. Yet they're playing professional golf at an extremely high level to the point.

I mean, Max Homo could have won the tournament really easily. Our guys are just cool as fuck. And I think they're great for golf. I saw you carrying around a backpack. What'd you have in the backpack? I was throwing out head covers on 16. Wow. Oh.

Smart. Yeah, I threw out a bunch of head covers. I mean, you guys know we get endless stuff sent to us. Anytime we release a new item for the store, like they send a shit ton to us. So I had so I was,

I threw out like a Peter Malar quarter zip at one point. I threw out a bunch of head covers, a bunch of towels, some hats, those bucket hats that we got. And people, I mean, people are going.

You flash a fucking head cover in front of a crowd of people on 16. The only thing was tough is I couldn't film it at the same time. I had like a backpack thing. So I was trying to get the footage. But throwing out head covers. You know, we say a lot of times like a camera is like an idiot magnet. Like when our guys walk around with a camera like a big event because everybody just comes running over. They want to be in front of the camera.

This was like a crowd fucking pleaser when you pulled a head cover out. Oh, yeah. Any hockey game ever, they toss out the worst triple XL T-shirt of all time. and people literally punch children in the face to get it. In that situation, you can be throwing steak knives and people would be like, I want it. Give it to me. They'll take whatever you got.

So if it's something that they're going to be able to use like a head cover, yeah, they're going to be excited about that. Yep. So I was throwing a head cover. It's kind of annoying because 16 is obviously really late in the round. And I kept like meeting up with guys. I'll follow you for the round.

So I'd have to carry around that giant backpack with a bunch of shit in it until we got there. So it was actually a little more annoying than I wanted it to be. But it was worth it. people were going nuts for that. So I was throwing out a little merch to people. But again, store. At barstolesports.com. Go check that out.

And you can acquire anything that you didn't get from me. We got head covers in there. Those new Arizona style head covers. I've got two of them on my bag. I've got the putter mallet cover one and the three wood one. Oh yeah. If you're watching on YouTube, which you should be because I've already yelled at you to go fucking subscribe and watch on here.

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Love Robbie Burger. The goat. He cracks me up. He just cracks me up. His voice is so funny. He had a couple of his boys with him. They were super cool and chit-chat. I felt bad.

I didn't get to chat with them for too long, probably 10 or 15 minutes. But we're playing a match against them. Freeman doesn't know that's coming up within the next month or so, which is going to be great. I think people are going to go crazy for that. And then I met the good, good guys as well.

It was brief. Again, I felt bad because it's kind of in passing and everybody's busy. But they were super nice, too. I think I met like the whole crew. I don't follow all their stuff. I didn't know who all. was there, but met them really briefly.

And they were super nice. And it's just one of those weeks where everybody's in town. Like the whole fucking golf world that feels like is in town for the waste management. So you're meeting a thousand different people and everybody's kind of rush in and trying to get stuff, but also trying to enjoy themselves. It's hectic but fun. And then we had Charlie Hoffman who we just, he, boy, that he, he set golf Twitter on fire. And, you know, I was tempted to just, I almost wanted to, to.

satirically just Saturday morning or something because he sent this, I think, on Friday evening. I wanted to satirically just start backing Charlie Hoffman because golf Twitter, when they all get piling on and they all just like compliment each other on how great they're like digs are at this one person that they're hating, which was Charlie Hoffman on Friday night. It's so infuriating and they could be the worst that I wanted to take the other side of it. But Charlie Hoffman's Instagram post was incredible. He wrote, what a joke. USGA, PGA tour today on the 13th.

totally hit my drive in the water, took a drop on the side of a hill that had no grass, dropped twice, then placed the ball in a small turf of grass, which is what happens if your ball keeps falling in the water, turn around and the ball started rolling into the water. This is what happened to Ricky Fowler a few years ago when he won. He goes on, I was out of the impression that the USDA had changed that rule. I was wrong, which just not just explaining in something that you're pissed off about, that you were wrong about the rule is very funny in and of itself. he said had to take another penalty for doing nothing wrong at all,

which he just said that he did something wrong, did everything by the book. It's still mind-blowing that a group of amateurs ruled a professional game of golf. I also blame the PGA tour rules officials, which he tagged, for putting out a terrible penalty area line where this could even happen. No accountability at any level here. No protection for the players at all. You wonder why guys are wanting to jump ship and go play on another tour.

players need transparency, protection, and consistency. We don't have that under the current governing bodies. Then he tagged a bunch of golf outlets and me and the Saudis. Sorry, Jay, Jay Monaghan, we need to do better at all levels of the PGA tour and tagging them again, including myself who represent the players in the board of the tour. If we don't, we won't have a tour any longer. Hopefully there will be a change. Do you think some of the beers that were being thrown from 16 landed in Charlie Hoffman's hand or what?

I mean, what caused them to fire this one off? Then the next day it was such a, I am so sorry, I never should have said that about the PGA tour. We love it. Yeah. And I also think, and this I guess goes for anybody who posts anything, but you think you know what the reaction is going to be. I've been on the other side of that from time. Right. And then when it's not that, and I've been on that side of it too, where you're just like, fuck, that sucks that I'm on the other side of that.

So I understand that part of it. Not, and I'm not the first one to say this either, but like calling for transparency. while also, you know, talking about the Saudi League and being like, this is why people are going to go over there. Like, that's obviously a conflict there. So he was mad. He was clearly upset about what was going on. He wanted to talk about it.

He wanted to post about it. He wants Riggs Barstool to come help him out and be, you know, his lawyer, his internet lawyer in a sense. And it just didn't work out. And yeah, the next morning, he was seemingly very apologetic in being like, I love the PJ tour. I'm not going anywhere. Yeah, we've had very good.

We love Charlie Hoff. And, you know, we talked to him most recently, Ebug and I were out at Torrey Pines when we were doing Behind the Greens. And, you know, he was just putting around because he was from the area, obviously. And he was there a month or two before the tournament. And he was, he gave us all the time in the world to talk about like growing up in that area and playing Tori Pines. And just like couldn't have been a nicer guy and loved what we were doing with Behind the Greens and for the game. And he obviously came to Borrellys that night with kids. And I fucking love Charlie Hoffman.

And I agree with you rigs. It infuriates me to watch just like that circle jerk Twitter golf. Sucks. Media conglomerate that loves to just who can come with the wittiest, funniest. You win the internet today. That's my least favorite thing that people see on Twitter. How can we be this like witty, witty Twitter golf account and, you know, people can, you know, at one plus one equals two, you probably know the fuck we're all talking about. There's this little group on Twitter that is insanely annoying.

And who gives a fuck that Charlie Hoffman said this? I just like everyone acts like this is what's wrong with the game of golf. Like the guy just rattled off like why he's mad about a rule. He's just ranting. He's pissed off and ranting. Every other guy does. Everyone does that in the planet. We all rant.

Like it's, I don't know. I just didn't see this to be as crazy. The Saudi tweet, the Saudi tag was the thing that was the problem. Aside from that, like who gives a fuck? So I couldn't agree more, Frankie. And yes, like, we're going to make fun of the post. And there's a lot of parts of it that you can break down and be like, what the hell were you thinking here? I'm sure if you broke it down on the, he'd be like, oh, yeah, you know, probably should have said that.

I was having a little bit of a bur. But like to, to, they were basically piling on that now they think and believe that he's like public enemy number one and that every angle that he's coming from is horrific. And that's why there's bad regimes in the world. And he wants journalists to get chopped up. And you're like, what? Like, no, he was just ranting. and the best part of this was Danny Rappaport who I think tweeted out, you know, he was so excited to see the reception for Charlie Hoffman on 16 on Saturday. And there wasn't a fucking peep about any of this from anybody on 16.

Because the people that are complaining on Twitter don't have any actual influence on what's happening in the actual golf world, which is we just had a huge hour long podcast talking about how the golf world is the people now in the stands of 16th. That's just a new generation of golfers. they don't give a fuck about what's happening on Twitter and your arguments and your witty tweets and your hashtags and all the fucking shit that you're going to try and come up with and be like the voice of golf on Twitter. Who cares about all that shit? No one cared about what Charlie Hoffman said. Nobody cared. It didn't really truly matter. And that was incredibly,

incredibly obvious. So I, we're going to poke fun at it. It is, it is hilarious. There's a massive contradictions with saying, you know, we want transparency. And then there's, you know, the Saudis who, again, are well documented that if there's any

adverse opinions or transparency wanted there, it's probably not going to go well for you. So tagging them totally understand that. He definitely deserves some shots, some chirps. He got them. But I do think the golf Twitter circle jerk about, you know, piling on this guy is so fucking annoying and makes me hate that whole, just every time that happens. It makes me hate that entire process so much that I wanted to just be rooting for Charlie Hoffman. And we love Charlie Hoffman.

So he'll be fine and nothing made that more clear than he walked out on 16. And like one person said something. I wish I could find his tweet really quick. Oh, here we go. He said, oh, by the way, one other thing real quick. Charlie Hoffman then started, I believe Saturday is next to the 10th and 11th holes, I think. He hit balls into penalty areas when he started this round Saturday after the whole rant. But Danny Rabbit Report tweeted the response to Charlie Hoffman sent a clear message.

Fans are not dummies. They won't fall for BHS occasions for Saudi. It's a money grab and everybody knows it. Remember the fans, not money, torpedo the soccer, Super League, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he went on when it came to his actual shot. And he said, hold, let me find this. Hoffman There's going to be another golf podcast out there

Somewhere on iTunes that's going to break this fucking This tweet down for four hours So if we don't get to everything You can go listen to that one A volume tweeter There's nothing wrong on being a volume Twitter I'll tell you that much No no no at all

It's also refreshing that What goes on on Twitter Even for me I'm saying for me personally like that the world doesn't care. Like, you know, you just, you just,

a bunch of dudes that want to be relevant and they make people want to care. But I mean, I'm, I mean, we talked about earlier. I'm a Twitter guy. I love Twitter. I think it's the best platform we got.

But it's like, it's nice to know that for the most part, it's a small percentage of people just talking shit. So what, let's say, Frankie should die and not be on the podcast. And then when we're on fucking, we're in person.

Not one person has ever said that to any of us about anything. It's not real. That's true, too. It's just not real. So what Dan Rapport tweeted was going to have to be at 16 when a man Charlie comes through. This is my civic duty to you, golf Twitter. Then he quote tweeted that himself. And he just wrote very anticlimactic, a few isolated chirps, but nothing major.

A reminder that Twitter is a very small place compared to the real world, which again is kind of sums up everything that we are saying, which is that, you know, Twitter and golf Twitter. It's just this feeling of so much self-importance that that little. sect has when in reality most people just do not care and Twitter's an extremely small place. So the whole Charlie Hoffman thing being amplified and people try to paint it like he's the worst person in the world because he had a rant where he tagged a few things he probably shouldn't of and said a few things he probably shouldn't have that didn't make a ton of sense. We still love Charlie Hoffman. We'll always love Charlie Hoffman.

We're going to break down his ridiculous Instagram posts and make fun of him. And next time we have him on the show, we're probably going to make fun of him for it. But I still love Charlie Hoffman. Dude, at like I love Charlie Hoffman as well. ask my dad about this Charlie Hoffman thing and he'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like my dad is a big golfing. He loves it, watches pretty much all the tournaments.

And if I was like, if I texted him or I called him was like, man, that Charlie Hoffman Instagram post, he'd be like, what are we talking about? I want to talk about something else because I don't even know what you're referring to. The more we're around regular people, like I just went to that Super Bowl party and watched the Super Bowl and turned off the golf for the, for the playoff and watch on my phone. The more you're around that, people don't know anything about anything.

No. like it has to be crazy viral or like a 15 second thing that they saw on Instagram were like oh yeah I saw that that was pretty funny like no one actually cares about any of this shit that's why a podcast like this exists we're kind of like relaying what the fuck is going on right like half the people listen to this probably don't even really care about what Charlie Offens that or even saw it and they're getting their news from us people legit like I'm sure you guys all get it I get text every time people like how about that one story and I'm like oh we talked about the podcast that came out on Tuesday

Tuesday, that all went down on the internet on Friday. You didn't know about that? No one knows anything. How the fuck am I supposed to know about that? You know what I was doing Friday night? I was getting blackout fucking drunk at a bomb not on Twitter, like paying attention to golfers. Not to take more, not to take shots at my dad.

I'm not taking shots at him. But like when this didn't actually happen, but me and John Fidelberg were talking about it on Twitter, like when Tom Brady, when the news came out that he had retired and people were just Adam Schaefter reported that he retired, like for most of the people in the world, the people who watch like ESPN, like or or those traditional news outlets he retired and they just figured he retired and then but then there's all this conversation on twitter like oh but it didn't actually come from him and he's what we got to get the word from him and if it's not from him then i don't believe it and

adam schaefter he he should lose his job and and all and lose his twitter account and all and then like nobody cares about that like and then by the time tom brady actually announces everyone who thought he retired who doesn't go on twitter is just like oh i already thought that already happened. And then that's it. And people just go. And nobody cares about any of this shit. Dude, but I like it because I'm an internet guy. But you have to come to the realization that like, the vast majority, nobody gives the fuck about anything. Well, the big thing for us is like videos for sure, people like to sit down and watch. It's a form of entertainment. The stuff like the Barstow classic, it's real life. You see that you have the fans. They're there. They're actually

engaging with you. You'll see a tweet that gets a hundred 20,000 like, something like a Tom Brady breaking news tweet that maybe this didn't come from him. 120,000 people. It seems like it's like the whole world. It's like Nassau County on Long Island has 1.5 million people. We act like when something goes 120,000 people like everyone in the world knows this news right now. I don't know, dude. It's like that's like East Meadow.

You know what I mean? Like it's not like that's spread across the whole world. It's like 160,000 people is like infinite amount on Twitter. That's like a little bit more, that's more, like that's about how many people live in see why are you wearing a golf club? I don't know. It just was on my desk. No, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's all time.

It just kind of gone on me and I noticed it as I was moving my hands. I don't know. It just kind of came on me. The big stuff matters, like the big videos, people know about those. Like, you go anywhere. Everybody knows, for the most part, about Dave's Pizza reviews. Like, they know who that, who that guy is, what he does. He's like, oh, he's the guy who eats pizza.

But in terms of just, like, everything. else in regards to like the minutia of what goes on on Twitter most people have no idea now I'm talking Twitter specifically I think there's a huge difference between like Instagram YouTube something about videos it just it just reaches more people

it's more of a conversation piece Twitter is just it's so fast and it's so viral and it's just like we act like we got to get all these fucking things that no one's fucking seeing it man like you know what I mean even it's just like no one's fucking the real world's not even seeing it

In order to really know, you need to be glued into the whole conversation in order to really understand the Twitter beef or back and forth. Like if you're just, if you're just a lurker and you're just scrolling for 20 seconds while you're fucking waiting for your pizza to come up or something, you're not stopping it like somebody's reaction to another tweet and being like, I'm going to go to the whole background of what the, you're just like, fuck this. You scroll through. I'm looking for a funny video. Oh, there's fucking Trent. Great shot Trent. And then you're just like, I got Seth. The leader of the PG of America following me on Twitter,

and I tweet about the Islanders making me want to come. There's no way that that platform is important in any sort of way. The fact that that's allowed to happen on that platform means that there's got to be a reason why it's not real. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Oh, yeah. I have, I can't, I mean, I have people who follow me who are not as important as Seth Waugh,

but like who are notable people. I send out 40 Bachelor tweets a week to, and those people, they don't care about that. The people who care about it, care about it, but the people who don't, they're just like going right by it. Twitter does move so fast that, like, there'll be beefs at bar stool that'll happen

that I won't even know about. You just miss them. And I'm a guy who pays attention on Twitter. So imagine the people who don't getting involved in things like that. It really is, it's eye-opening when you realize particular Twitter, how many people just don't know or don't care.

You know what people are going to care about? And I'm seeing, I'm seeing messages about this. We talk a lot about space, and we talk a lot about the universe and golf, specifically the moon. We're working on this new piece of merchandise that I just saw an image for. Regarding space, golf, moon, it is fucking insane how good this crewneck sweater I just saw it. So that's just a little tease. I'm sorry. I had to.

I had to, and we might even be doing a collaboration with in-house with another podcast at Barstle Sports. My goodness is this thing good. Sorry, I know that kind of derailed that, but. No, we were kind of going in circles anyway. I've seen it too and is very good, which kind of ties into Shopify, which gives entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs. You each say entrepreneur real quick? Entrepreneur. That was better than I thought.

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That is shopify.com slash four. All right, boys and girls. We have the Ace Master himself, the whole one one Saturday at the Waste Management, Phoenix O'Bin that sent the world into a frenzy. Here is Sam Ryder. We obviously got Sam Ryder. You got the first ace in seven years on the 16th hole on Saturday of all days, which is unbelievable.

We got Lurch Frankie and myself here too. But I was there. So I was in the crowd. I had just gone from following a bunch of groups, got to 16, threw out a bunch of head covers. And then I was up on like the first level kind of mezzanine where it's kind of nice walking through the sweets. And then all of a sudden it felt like a bomb went off and people were just going crazy. So I can't, I mean, from your vantage point, I'm sure it's all just a blur at this point. Yeah.

I mean, it was kind of a blur. Honestly, I was kind of playing shitty. You know, I was too over for the day. Like, Kirk, I was playing with Kirk and Brian Harmon. So you got Kirk who's like, doesn't even have a pulse. I mean, the guy is just like, you know, so level the whole time. Tees off, hits a good shot. And then I, you know, followed him.

And I was before Harmon. And yeah, it was nuts. I mean, I was just, I'm thinking about looking at Harmon's face. Like, because originally when it went in and the place erupted, Harmon was like, and you know, I love Harmon. favorite guys on tour, but he's not necessarily like the happiest guy all the time out there, you know, but he gave me, like, we had a good high five in celebration. Then all of a sudden it was like, shit, like, how am I going to hit? Like, there's stuff everywhere. So he ended up

happened to wait for 20 minutes. But yeah, it really was kind of a blur. I mean, it was just, dude, I mean, I can't imagine any kind of, I was talking with some of the guys about it, because like winning is a different kind of adrenaline rush, right? And I haven't won on the PJ tour. I wanted some lower levels. But you kind of almost usually like you kind of expect it or it kind of builds. And that's one of those things where it was just so spontaneous. And especially after kind of like not having the best day. Yeah, it was, yeah, I was like going to 17. I was like trying to come down a little bit and just like finished around a little. So it's crazy. You're having, like you said, you're having kind of an up and down day, especially after your, would you shoot on

Friday like 64 or something like that? Yeah, I shot seven under on Friday. So you're probably coming out thinking like, okay, baby, today's my day. It's Saturday at waste management. It's one of the most chaotic days in the world of golf. Much of bogeys, you start making a couple of birdies. You birdie 15. Walk me through, like walking off the green on 15, walk me through the next, you know, 20 minutes, basically. Well, I think in the walking off 15, so Kirk just went on a good run because he got off to a bad start that day too.

And Harmon was kind of playing steady all day. So I got off to a bad start. Like you said, I battled back, made a sloppy double. on 11. It was just like it was one of those days. And then I was like one of those things where I could redline at any point. And I was trying to like stay patient because you know like you got 13s of par five and you got 15 and 16 you can make a birdie and then 17's driveable. So you know you can make. I mean, historically you can make some birdies right there or even an eagle or whatever. So walking off that green, you know, I'm get I'm two over for the day. And Saturday is just a

different animal. Like Saturday is just a completely different beast out there. Like, I mean, there's no other, you know, I haven't, I've only played in a couple majors, but there's no other environment that just, you just feel like you're just in a little cage. Like, because there's 20,000 people in really not that big of an area. And I was just trying to, I mean, I didn't even know where the pin was. I didn't know anything. So I watched kind of Kirk T. Off. And we're actually on the clock. I actually forgot about that. Oh, wow. We have one of the rules officials is this kind of timing us because we fell behind with rulings and stuff. And Kirk hits like just a really solid shot in the middle of the green.

Like anything you could really want. Like you're just trying to really that that pin is tucked just left. If it gets left, you saw Cantlay hit in the bunker. Like if it starts going like I didn't know where my ball would end up if it didn't hit the hole. It looked like it was moving pretty slow. So it probably would have been fine. But yeah, I mean, I was I was just watching Kirk Tia off first did kind of cleared up everything for me. because the yard is like 124.

I watched him hit a gap wedge pretty smooth, and he hit it well past the pin. That's a hole where you always club down. I mean, it goes without saying. And I pulled a 54, and I told my caddy, I was like, it's just perfect, right? There was like no dialogue at all. We're like, it could be anything else?

The wind was kind of off the right. And, you know, it's just you're in there, and there's like, there's so much noise that it's like, you can kind of pick out a couple little things. Like I get like go hatters or something like where I went to school or I get like some random like don't hit in the bunker like you hear these random things. But I mean it's all. Yeah. I mean, but you just like it just is what it is.

And that like I pulled a 54 degree wedge which typically is like a 115 stock. Like it's I mean that's all I really usually get out of it. In that environment, I'm flying it easily 125. Wow. And and I just. yeah with the wind off the right maybe just a touch of help it was like it was one of those things where when it took off in the air and it did feel like the time kind of slowed down a little bit because I do remember kind of watching it in the air and Harmon was right there to my left

and these fans have seen so many balls like you were there these they've seen so many shots come in there so they know at this point like what's a good shot and what's not a good shot So they were starting to get loud as it was kind of like reaching its apex and like coming down. And it was like a positive loud. It was like, oh. So I was like, this thing looks good. It just never really kind of left. Like it was exactly like I probably pulled it a yard.

Like I mean, I was I wasn't necessarily trying to make it, but I was trying to be pretty aggressive with that club. And the wind maybe took it maybe one or two more yards. And right when it landed, I mean, we've been there. You guys play golf. you've been there where you see like a ball starts spinning and you know the ball and the pin are going to cross at some point or another and it looks good but you really don't like how often does the ball actually stop you know and it was it never hardly ever stops right like well how many

hole in once you have zero so not never it's never done that just never ever it's like 15 feet behind it every time yeah exactly exactly we've all been there and it was just it just appeared in hormones right there. And, like, it was just so spontaneous. There was no plan. I mean, my caddy came over, you know, Brent, he, like, he's such a chill guy. Like, he's not, doesn't get up, doesn't get low. I mean, doesn't get down.

And, like, came over the embrace. I think he got a little bit of shit. Like, the next day we came out in the morning and we're playing a Russell Knox to his catty. He's like, can you guys recreate that for us? He's like, no chance. But yeah, it was, I mean, that next, my parents were in there. One of the cool things they do is like, my parents loved one out there because they like get to go to the concert.

They saw Macamore and Sam Hunt and all this stuff. And it's just a big party. But the family and everything, they get to come into 16 because there's no other way that they would be able to watch the golf shots if they don't come in. So they get to hang out. And then as it's all kind of dying down, there's beer everywhere. A high five colt. Like Amanda's right there. Like, because they have the whole thing.

like their CBS setup is right there. And then my mom is right there. And she's like, freaking losing her mind. I didn't see my dad or anything. But yeah, it was just like that first little instant after it was just kind of like insane.

And then I was like, there was just beer cans everywhere. And Harmon said something funny because I think they were like, and I don't know if this is like if he was serious or not, but the rules official came over and was like, do you want to hit or do you want to let us like clear this stuff? And he was like, are you kidding me?

Like there's hundreds of beer cans all over the green. Like I'm not, I'm not going to hit. My ball could hit that. And I was just like, I was like, man, like, Harmon has to hit still. There's, I mean, it was probably 20 minutes before he hit. But they did it. I mean, they did it on. And then, of course, he like three puts.

Like so. So I was like, all I was thinking at the time was like, dude, it was such a positive thing. Like, I don't want something that's so positive and so. good to turn somewhat sour negative because a beer can hit someone or you know the group course gets messed up a little bit or the pace of play gets totally screwed or whatever so um but i mean yeah it was just i seemed like like the scottesdale PD did a really good job the maintenance crew came up i got beers for the maintenance crew but i got beers for everyone i mean it was just when they just when the people stopped throwing stuff and they started clearing like they

They did it like really fast. Like it was pretty impressive. Yeah. Like. And then next thing you know like they're throwing beers like and Joel Damon's chugging one the next day making car. Of course. Joel and Harry Higgs are up there just ripping them.

It was so yeah. That whole, you know, I don't think anybody expected that, right? Like everybody was excited for a whole and one and clearly they move it up. They moved the tee up and the pin was front left. And so I, the Thunderbirds everybody clearly like want there to be a little bit more excitement. But I don't think anybody prepared for. that and for them to clean it up that fast I thought was incredibly impressive I was walking around actually with slees with drew stolts at the time we were walking because he's a thunderbird and we were actually down we missed you by fucking one group because we were down there for like two or three groups hitting through and then he was like holding up a quiet sign and he's like all right I'm done with my duty of the quiet sign you want to go up and get a drink I'm like yep so we legit are walking through the mezzanine on the first level grab a drink and we both kind of ran into a bunch of people we knew so we're stopping here and there and then

And then all of a sudden, like you just said, the positive anticipation buzz started. And you're right. Like the fans have been there watching every shot so they know. So it's like, oh. And then it just, the place started shaking. And beer started. So everybody runs over to the edge and leans out. And he's like, it was saying fucking writer.

And we're going nuts. And then we're like, oh, no. Like we started to immediately think, oh, no. Because we could tell Harmon still had a club at his hand and a ball. And we were like, oh, he's never going to be able to hit. because beers were raining down. I'm talking like six minutes after your ball hit the bottom of the hole.

Beers were still raining down out there. We were like, dude, he's never going to be able to hit. Once they started cleaning stuff, they were still throwing shit down. They were still throwing beers down. And like, I wanted to get the picture of Harmon's face when it initially went in where he's like this and there's a big smile on his face.

I'm like, that is the nicest thing I've ever seen Harmon do. Like, just a picture. of the happiness, like him high-fiving me because that turns sour pretty quickly. He's like, wow. Like, it reminded me of like the happy Gilmore, like, Shooter McGavin. Like, go back to your shanty. Exactly. He was just like, what is going on?

But I think was it one of you guys, like I think it was maybe Lurch or someone put like the Matt Walsh was on the range or someone was hitting. Yeah. I think it was Riggs put that out. I tweeted that. That was my favorite angle of the whole thing. I know. I saw that tweet.

I thought that was great because Matt Walsh, who was like notorious. for like taking swing videos and stuff too. Like it was just like, unmistakable. Like when I play with like Stu, they were like, because the craziest thing is I played the next day and then Carlos Ortiz makes the one

when I'm on 10 green right there. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm on 10 green and then it like erupts. But it was like, Stewart was like, Stewart Singh came over to me and he was like, yesterday's news, man.

Like it's over. And I was like, but they were like the roar and everything. doesn't compare. Like, you know, like, everyone's getting ready for the Super Bowl, really. Like, Sunday, Sunday is docile compared to Saturday. So, I mean, and I was playing pretty well, so it was pretty late in the afternoon. Everyone's super-saw stuff.

Like, they've been there since, you know, 6 a.m. or, you know, lining up at 4.30 or whatever. People were saying they were lining up at 4.30, and there was hundreds of people in front of them in line already. So, did you? Yeah, it was. You legit authored probably, like, one of the loudest roars in the history. of sports. I mean, when would there be a roar that would be louder than that?

You had like 30,000 shit-faced people going nuts for an event that that never happens. There haven't been an ace there in seven years. And it was the Saturday. Like you said, it wasn't Sunday. It wasn't Thursday morning. It was Saturday. People have been there since 5 a.m., boozing their faces off. They were ready for an ace.

They'd seen a couple close calls. And you just dumped one. And his, that angle from the driving range, I loved because everyone was kind of wondering, like, man, was that roar just that crazy because the cameras and all the audio is inside the 16th? Or like, what did that sound like from 100 yards away or 300 yards away? And that angle, like, that was such a cool moment where he just was like, oh, it's a whole one. There's nothing else that could be. Nothing else that could be. Yeah, it was.

And then the beer mist was everywhere too. No, that's interesting question because I had, like, I didn't think, like, I was immediately. thinking of like tiger like when he made a hole in one but that wasn't all enclosed you know so i don't know how many people they had there though because it wasn't contained at all so who knows how many people there could have been far more people but it wasn't i'm thinking like and then you like i grew up in orlando so we are old magic i'm trying to just relate it to something because our old like o rena they called it was just this little cracker jack so when it was like shack and penny days. It was like you're kind of ever there's no bad seats. You're on top of you everyone. But I mean,

Cameron indoor or something like that like, but how many people are there? So I don't know. Like it's just yeah. It was that pretty I think like a buzzer beater or something like that. Yeah. I mean, it's up. It's up there with like walk off home runs. I'm thinking of like Tino Martinez at a home run for the Yankees, a grand slam and like Yankee Stadium legitimately almost like crumbled. You know what I mean? The late 90s. But you know what I talk about pop? Like just. immediate pop and decibel. Like they talk about Seattle Seahawks and the 12th man and they have the decibel rating during the football games and it's always like breaking the record. Like you want to talk about straight pop?

I think that has to be definitely top five in sports of all time. It has to be because of every, it has to be. Yeah, if it is. I mean, you guys would know much better than I would, but yeah. You talked about the Orlando Magic. I just watched that 30 for 30 on the fucking plane the other day of the whole just. Shaq and Penny and the magic and how insanely good that team was and then just just the crumbull of what happened after.

I mean, I knew I was just too young for all that and it's just, it's insane. The back to back first picks and then just absolute chaos, Disney, Mickey Mouse ears on Shaq. And then he's like, I'm out of here, dude. Oh, the little penny, the little penny commercials like everything. Like it was, yeah, that was a good time to be a magic fan. Not as good these days. but we know how to squander some good teams.

But I mean, we had a little bit of a bright spot there with Dwight. Like we went to the finals, but I mean. Jamir Nelson and whatnot in the next thing. Timer Nelson and Tito Turkaloo. Oh, yeah, there you go. So do you just hate the Lakers then? Because like that could have just been, that could have just been the magic. I think I actually remember, I'm pretty sure Dwight missed four straight three throws in game three.

and if he makes one, we send it to overtime. And then they ended up winning the next three games or whatever it was. But, I mean, there's no rivalry between the Magic and the Lakers. It was just kind of like we were happy to be there, I think, more than anything else. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't hate, I mean, it's hard for me to pull for any L.A. teams in general. So, I mean, I didn't necessarily like it. What was his name that missed the four free throws?

Oh, Nick Anderson. Oh, my God. Four free throws. I've heard that story. I've heard that story actually firsthand from Nick Anderson. We were playing like pickup basketball at RDV Sportsplex, which is like the good gym where the magic would practice and stuff. And they have like a fitness center or whatever.

But we're kind of just playing pickup basketball. I think I'm fresh out of college or maybe high school senior. And he was like, yeah, man, like I was a 90% free throw shooter or whatever, 85%. He was an all-star. He was like, I missed those four free throws. And he's like, I never shot above 60% the rest of my career. And I think that's how I, tying it back into golf, that's what I start to relate to golf. Because, like, I have a lot of respect for, I mean, I have respect for all these athletes, but, like, the guys, like, the free throw shooters like that are just ice.

Like, the guys, the place kickers that are ice. Like, how about the guy for the Bengals that is a rookie that was just making everything? I mean, your mind can kind of, like, get in your own way at that point. Golf, it's like, when you're shooting a free throw, there's no, there's no, there's no, playing defense on you. It's just you versus yourself and, you know, how many times have you done it? And then golf, there's no one trying to stop you unless you're like at 16 at waste management and they're trying to like. He got the yip. He got the yips. He said that in that 30 for 30, he actually would he wouldn't drive to the basket because he didn't want to go to the line. He

would actually admit I don't want to go to the line anymore. No, he said it openly. He said it openly, man. It hurt. It hurt to hear. I was like, man, because he was so good and you could just tell how just changed them like i mean but you've seen it with golf like i mean you're susceptible to that from the tea oh yeah like at any point do you have you ever personally got through anything like that where you maybe miss like a three-footer and then the rest of the day you just you just you can't imagine making one i've never got i don't think full like full blown yippie but i've definitely hit some sketchy putts but i mean i think what is that what is that i'm going to start calling them sketchy puns.

Like, I got a real... Ooh, I just have a sketchy one. The one where you kind of like, you just can't, like, pick it out of the hole fast enough. You're just kind of like, ooh. Oh, yeah. That was, that was dicey. Sometimes you don't even, I mean, you don't even know what just happened, but you just move on. But, I mean, I have a lot of respect for the guys that moves through that.

Like, guys have beat it. I mean, I think... It's like, what's the first step acceptance? Like, first steps, like, denial or whatever. So, I mean, I had, when I was playing on the Canadian tour, after I got out of college, which was like PGA Tour Canada or McKinsey Tour, whatever the heck they call it,

I had full-blown shanks for like the end of this season. I mean, I played a tournament in Calgary and I finished top 10. I think I had like five or six shanks. Holy shit. I started some upside there though. I started putting, like I would do anything. I started aiming the ball off the actual hazzle

because like I was like, that was the only way I could start to, because you think like, okay, I'm hitting the hazel. That's how I'm shanking it. Like, not to get too technical about it with you guys, but like, as a righty golfer to shank it, like your handle is kind of working away from you and that brings the hosl into the equation. So like I kind of, but I don't want to hit the hosel. So I kind of start lining it more on the toe and the toe.

So I'm just getting farther and farther away from it. So my handle is just going farther and farther away from my body. So I really just like did the exact opposite and got on top of it and just tried to swing everything like dead. left and like it worked for a little bit but then got a new swing coach and then trying to iron it out he was like whoa that was like the first swing coach was just patching things up with masking tape yeah let's get through the canadian door here i was doing it it was pure grit i was like i was i think 60 guys keep your card on that tour at the time and i was 60th going into the last event and i was like i had this shanks and i was like i i'll like i'll do

anything to just get the ball on the hole. And like, yeah, it was, we got past it though. Try to keep it in a hosel. Because people are like, you don't, they don't want to talk about it. They don't want to say yip.

They don't want to say shank. I know. I mean, I'm a little loose with it. I'm currently in the yip stage for the last five years with my wedges. So I, I'm a little loose and fast.

Yeah, I'm a little loose and fast with that. I know that when I'm talking to professional golfers, I actually shouldn't use the Y word. I've actually been told that by other people. So I do need to be more conscious of it. because some people are crazy. You say that to the wrong person,

and they would just hang up to, they would just hang up to Cisco WebEx, and they'd be done. Oh, they would. I mean, but I, like, I talk about, like, I've gone through it. So it's like,

everyone kind of goes through their own version of it. I mean, like, the driver yips, I mean, the, it's all, it's happened to so many guys. So,

what a game. You go from that, you go from the driver yips and the shanks and the Canadian tour to just drilling an, on fucking 16 at the voice management. It's crazy. Honestly,

on 16, like, I'd be lying if it said, like, if I said it didn't cross my mind, like, what have you just cold shanked? Like,

it's gone to my mind. Like, I shanked one at the U.S. Open at Aaron Hills so bad. Like, just, I mean, straight off the hassle.

But at the end of the day, it's like, I mean, it's funny and people make fun of you for a minute. And then it's like, moving on. Like, you know, it just happens.

Well, I saw the former bachelor's like, Oh my God. Cold shanked one right. Oh, wow. He killed a person. Hit him right in the gooch. That's just, that's just a bad idea for them to be there in general.

Like, it's one thing to be there for us or for Justin Thomas, but to be there for someone that. You let a bunch of amateurs play through. You'll kill 10 people. No. Yeah, right. Dude,

when you're in front of that many people taking a shot, and you already walked us through your mindset, but is there a part of you that's, like let's just not embarrass ourselves right now. Definitely. Let's just like try and get the crowd to just be happy right now, as opposed to let's try and get a birdie here, like make a birdie.

Oh, it definitely goes through your mind. I mean, the whole is short. So you're usually only hitting some kind of a wedge. Right. But the way the green is, I mean, it's a nasty green.

Like anything to the left goes off, anything long slides off. Everything's fast. Like it seems like you're always putting back to front, which is always fast. And especially on, on Sunday because I was playing pretty solid on Sunday. I was like bogey free.

I was like a few under and following up a hole in one. Like if I don't make another hole in one, these people are going to boo you. Like it's a hole in one or bust. I mean, the amount of times people all day said make another hole in one like on par fours. Like I'm just like, okay. But yeah,

I was like, I mean, I was like get this ball in the center of the green, make a par, get out of here. I mean, it was everything about what, my strategy on Sunday was just hit it to the safest possible spot I can.

And if it goes towards the pen, it's kind of a mistake. But how nuts was the Scottsdale Police Department's video? That was pretty good. Yeah, is there a favorite video that you have out there? That's got, I mean, that's got to be, that probably is the best one. I mean, they, and not to get, you know, too into it, but they did like a really good job. And I talked about that that week before even that happened. Like, because you know the environment.

People are sloppy. People are stumbling and bumbling, like, drunk. But, like, no one, it, I didn't encounter anything that seemed like aggressive where it was, like, trying to, like, you know, they kind of like, for the most part, we're trying to let people sort it out as best they can. And keep it within reason. It's such a fine line because it's like people are throwing stuff. how easy is it to just like get really pissed and just be and just you know but everyone kept their cool really well and they just kind of embraced it and that's kind of what makes the event so cool and so great there's been a couple of the ones like there I think that's probably my favorite I mean

just because it kind of captures the whole thing but there's a couple of the ones I saw the one that was like from the 1917 scene like where the guys like yeah they put my head on like the the dude that's like running running away from the bus. mortars and stuff. And there's just like beers like going everywhere. There was another one that was like like the Russell Crow where I was like, you know, are you not entertained like kind of thing. But yeah, we were, Harmon was like, if I got hit in the head with a beer,

you guys would be playing the Brian Harmon open next year. Like I would own this place. There was one that definitely like whizz right past me. And people were, I mean, Huckin' them. Yeah, they were. They were gunning them, dude. They were fucking gunning them. They were gunning them. And there is a lot of beer left in some of those. Like, I picked a couple up and kind of tried to get him out of the way. There's a lot of liquid.

Did you notice on tour, just like, you know, amongst the guys, you know, everyone buys into the tournament or there, Harmon obviously has a couple things to say about it once it was affecting him with the beers on the green. But like, is everyone buying in or is it like, or some people, just like not into it. I think if you play, you're bought in pretty much. But guys that there's a lot of guys that don't play. Right. I mean, and like Pat Perez is my boy.

He doesn't play a lot of the years. I mean, but I can't imagine what that's like being him. Like, because he went to Arizona State. He lives there. Like, he's dealing with so much more on every hole. Like, I was like, I talked to Bubba after I made a hole in one bubble was in there. And he was like, and everyone was kind of. know, like, Bubba was like nice ace or whatever.

And I was like, now I just know, like, a little bit of what it feels like to be Bubba, like, every single day. Like, I play with Bubba there. People yell at them constantly, you know? But like I said, I mean, Bubba plays well there. Like, he takes it, like, I think he's gotten a little bit, I mean, he got a little scrutiny one year for something that maybe got taken out of context. It's like, they're kind of flirting with the line, I think. And I don't know if that's the direction golf should go. went all the time.

But, I mean, you saw all the time JT got criticized for having the person, you know, removed from the Honda Classic or whatever. But like, it's just, I get both sides. Like, you know, you feel like that this is. Yeah, people sit there and heckle Kobe constantly sit court side and just yell at him constantly. And he just has the blinders on. Right.

But then, but golf's a little different, you know, like golf's a gentleman's game, you know. And it's, you know, you go to Augusta. Like, you got to love that environment, don't you? I mean, it's an educated fan. But, like, you also love waste management. Yeah. Like, so you just kind of. And I mean, we were talking about that earlier, but I was kind of saying that golf goes to every region in the country.

And a lot of the regions like in the world. And it's an outdoor sport. So you're going to have different places that you're in that have a different vibe and a field. And like, you just. mentioned like Augusta is it's the masters it is respect and an educated fan and they golf clap at the right times and their patrons they're not like spectators and and then you're in Scottsdale and Scottsdale is a different place than Augusta George it's going to have a different vibe and a different feel and I just think that they've leaned into that and the beauty of it is if it's not for you

you don't have to play it's not a major championship where you have basically no choice like if you're you know it's it's the Phoenix open and if it's not for you and you want to skip it. Totally understand. Nobody's going to hate you for it. Pick a different spot. There's plenty of tournaments in the calendar. But I think, you know, 15 to the top 20 guys in the world were there this past week. Like, guys are embracing it. And, you know, I haven't walked inside the ropes with guys like, I get it on both sides too. I hear, you know, you're able to actually understand what you guys can hear and what you can't. You guys can pretty much hear fucking everything. It's really, it's not like you can really block it out. Like, yeah, maybe over the

shot, you're focused on your aiming point. You miss a little bit more. of it, but if somebody really sticks out and screams something, you're going to hear it. You're a human being. Yeah, I mean, you're, I couldn't have said it better. I mean, it is, it just, that's the nature of it. I mean, it's, you know, you go to, you go play valspar in Tampa and they got the Hooters tent, like on whole number like 12 or 13 or whatever it is. And it's like, you know what you're going to get.

Like, I mean, if you, and if you go play, if you go play at Quail Hall, something, it's probably going to be a little different, you know? And like you said, there's plenty of guys that want to play. So if you don't want to play, there's an alternate list of guys waiting to get into the tournament. Right. So, and how good was the leaderboard? I looked at the final leaderboard top 10. I mean, stout, like really good leaderboard. John Rom and Brooks and Zander and Cantlay and Sheffler. Like, it was, it was a really good showing of a lot of really high class, world class players at the top. So clearly the course is a good test because it's bringing out the best players.

And the guys are playing. So I mean, I love it. It's great. Probably the last year of throwing beers, though. If there's a Harmon out there and somebody else gets pegged with one of those things, I got to think that. I was going to figure that out. That's probably.

Because J.T. Chipped in. And then they're chucking beers. Yes. So I like kind of, I guess you could say I open the floodgates a little bit on that one, like, because once they were like, this is our move. It just, it reminded me of hockey. Like guys get a hat trick and they just start throwing whatever, like minor league games. Yeah, that's true.

It's not beer cans too. Yeah. They wear aluminum pints though. At least they weren't like metal glass or glasses. It's true. Yeah. I wonder if they're going to go to, you know, just don't give it right. Because they had those aluminum like cores light cans is what it looked like everybody.

he was throwing. What's the safest? Yeah, if they just went to like a, you gotta go to like a styrofoam cup. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like that, because there's no way they're going to be able to just tell everyone like, all right, this year we're not throwing beers.

That's just not going to happen. No. I know. I was thinking too because it was like it and it's the waste management. So the whole thing is about like being clean and disposing. Right. I was like looking at this scene. I'm looking at the scene.

I'm like there is shit everywhere. And like to their credit, that should be. that should be their that should be like one of their commercials or whatever is like the you know time lapse of all the people out there with their backs and then just getting through all that stuff like they what better tournament to just have garbage all over the green than the waste management that's fucking they managed all the waste. If we can clean up scots there, we can clean up anything just as well. That's really good stuff. Perfect. So you in where are we at LA now? Yeah.

Hell yeah. You like Riviera? Everybody raves about RIV. Yeah, I've made the cut here and I miss the cut. I haven't done anything super great. But the course itself, it's like you go in the locker room and Larry David's locker is there and the course is like, it's just like one of those like out on the West Coast, I compare it to like something on the east where it's like just a player favorite.

Like you got Shinnecock or you got Oakmont or like some of these, you know, courses that are old and just stand the test of time. it's just yeah it's just a really cool vibe have you been out out to this tournament haven't been to it riviera is uh for me it's on my top five bucket list i just heard it's phenomenal i heard like you're just saying it's sort of the yeah kind of the prestigious like east coast you know feel to it except it's in la and the people rave about the the golf course and the architecture and the history and coming up 18 that giant hill although i did hear uh who is it somebody's caddy was telling me going up that hill on 18 after you were out is like the worst part of their whole year.

Yeah, I mean, that that hill is definitely no joke. But it's one of those places where you kind of get, it's like the more time you spend in the place, the more you start to like it. You're just like the nuances of the course and the architecture. It's really hard, especially this time, like this time with equipment changes and guys being so good and hit it so far, like courses that are old, like, they just become obsolete, you know, and how do you manage that? And how do you have something that's a good test, but also not goofy? Like, because every week, they could make it Mickey Mouse with pin positions or rough being ridiculous or the greens, you know, are kind of at the mercy of the weather. But it's just, it's one of those places

where it just kind of seems like it stands to test the time really well. And you're always going to get good winners. And I mean, it's just, yeah, it's, I'm not like, I don't love, I'm from Florida. I grew up in Central Florida. I mean, I don't love, like, L.A. is not my favorite place in the world. I do like it for a week or a couple weeks or whatever, but when you're there, it doesn't, it's a little different feel, you know. And I'm staying in Santa Monica, so it's a pretty nice, fun week, invitational, smaller field. Not bad.

Not bad. It sounds pretty good. Santa Monica. You're just the ace guy now. I mean, you're, you know, like, that's like when people, you're going to get it for the rest of your career. No matter where you're at, even if it's not a rowdy environment, when you're walking by, be like, I got a couple of years. So much so that he, so much so he's got a radio interview to go do right now.

I just got the email. So you're a little late to that one. We've taken you for too long. Thank you, sir. You're a wanted man right now in golf media. You're wanted. You have an ace and you're just on all these shows. I enjoy it being with you guys.

We'll have to do it again sometime. Yeah, we'll get more time for sure. Yeah, we'll do more of a long sit down. we can really get into it. But congratulations. You're the ace guy now. Good thing to be known for. Sounds good. I'll take it. Thanks, Sam. Good luck this week. All right, thanks for us, man. Thanks for you. All right, big thanks to Sam Ryder. Good dude. We got to get him on for longer. He's a real. He's somebody I feel like we could chat with for hours. Yeah. Super personal. Set that up and there was supposed to be 15 minutes.

And I, you know, I told his whoever his media manager was or something, yeah, no problem. We get him in and out. Thanks. He has a radio interview after. I mean, that was a 35 minute. interview, no problem. Welcome to Foreplay. Yeah, yeah. We'll talk about it for about five minutes real quick. Yep, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll just talk about the ace.

We'll get them out of there. No problem. Just quick. Yeah, it'll take two seconds. Last thing that we wanted to make sure that we touched on was Sahith, the Gala, who was one of the best stories of the entire week, maybe the best story the entire week outside of the waste management. Yes, we're pumped for our boy, Scotty Schaffler, the Ace Sam Ryder, really cool.

The event, great for golf. We had all those talks. the gal of the story and the way that he took over the tournament, he was clearly the fan favorite throughout the entire weekend, ended up finishing one shot back out of the playoff at 15 under par, tied for 30. He had the emotional embrace meeting with his family afterwards, and you could tell how devastated he was.

He had, I believe, at one point on the front night, and he had a three-shot lead, but there are some big names. People are chasing him down. It's very difficult to close. He got a horrible bounce on 17. He had a pretty damn good shot, actually, off the tee, a little two iron thing that he hit that got an awful hard left kick. Ended up in the water. And he ends up one shot out of the playoff.

I did like that he was aggressive. He made an interesting quote on that, too. Did you like, so what do you say? On 17, he felt, so he placed the ball on that, like, steep slope there. And he was worried that the ball was going to roll back in the water. And I didn't know if you were going to take because, like, Charlie Hoffman talked about rules and all this. So he was like, I think. I was a little bit quicker with my swing there.

Anyways, I made a horrible chip, horrible pot because he was fearful of the ball rolling back into the water. And I didn't know if Rigsie Rulebook was going to jump in at that time. But, I mean, he like, what was that? What was that? Riggs E rule book. Well, it wasn't, didn't Charlie Hoffman,

didn't, what he was complaining about the USDA and the stupid rules. Yeah, I think that would be the same rule. Yeah, it'd be a similar wavelength. So I was just been, though, if you want, you know, because Charlie anointed you along with all of like true he did appoint me I'm the only individual that he you know recommended

take care of the situation this is one of those situations Lurch missed the Missed the Charlie Hoffman talk in the middle No I was there for that Oh you did Yeah that's why I referenced it there saying Because Riggs was like

A little callback person he mentioned Little callback is what we called In the Bids That's right A callback here in the Bids Well the way you said I thought you were like explaining that Charlie Hoffman did that tweet for the first time I'm all no no I was just

nobody caught the callback so then I had to explain the callback which is maybe the worst place to be in the callback term. It's a bad callback zone. I want to talk about the dollar for a second. That guy's fucking parents just mucking it up with the crowd. It was one of the funniest laugh out loud moments you'll ever see. They have all of these

just college bro, ASU, Arizona guys going fucking crazy. And then you just see his parents jumping up and down. It's like, whoo-hoo! Just along for the ride as crazy as can be. I'll say, uh, the gala, he's, he's an emotional roller coaster, man, like, crying after the, after in the interview just saying, like, how much it meant to him. And, and when he played well, he would, he would give people the ears. I can't fucking hear you. It's just like, this guy's a firecracker. So, um, yeah, it was fun to watch him. I was rooting hard for him. It was a really good story. You know, I, 18, it's like he was coming down. He played a little safe.

it was a very strange way that 18 came in. He almost felt like he wasn't playing for the birdies. Like, does he know he needed a birdie? He came up short. It just wasn't aggressive enough. I'm like, this guy, does he know he has to chip in now?

Every time I wanted to like strangle him and be like, hello. Well, I think he knew he was making mistakes. Like, he knew he made mistakes. I know. No,

no, the second shot was just weird to me. No, I know. He just came out crumb, like he shittily. I know it did. Yeah.

I know. He ran that chip by close though. He did. I thought he gave that. Chip a good run. That was like I want to win this tournament kind of run. Scottie Sheffler was like, oh, for a second, he's like, that almost went in. Yeah, I mean, his, how emotional he was, I think, was a big part of the reason the fans were just obsessed with him.

We don't get that enough in golf. We talk about it all the time. And occasionally that type of reaction, that type of emotion on every shot can turn people off. Some people get turned off to like Jordan Speeth about it and that he's some of us. But man, when you get somebody in a sport that's typically pretty boring, you know, shot by shot, it's just pretty boring. When you get somebody that's like living and dying on every moment and the crowd, it's fucking awesome to see.

And he became an enormous fan favorite. And I think we'll be for a long time. And the fact that his family was there with their heart just on their sleeves, the entire tournament as well. If you weren't rooting for that, dude, you fucking suck. I agree. I think a sneaky victory, though, for him at the end. So 17 makes what he makes, kind of falls off the lead.

Now he's got to get Bertie to go back to this playoff and potentially go to the extra holes. He lost like a considerable amount of money, which I started to now think about because makes the score, not going to win, chips it way by. Now he's got like a 15 footer, maybe 10 footer down the hill that he needs to make. Kepka pours one in to go to one off the leads. So now he's at 15. So now there's two people at one and two people tied at three. If he misses that 15 footer or 10 footer down the hill,

he goes into a three-way tie for third. Now he finished in a three-way tie for fifth. He finished in a three-way tie for third because he made that putt. Probably saved himself two or 300 grand, which I started to think about for the big man. Yeah. There was a. Especially from Corn Ferry. All the guys that finished tied for third got $434,000.

The guys that finished tied for six got $2,000. $87,000. Yeah. There you go. Big pot, especially come from the corn ferry. And that would have been to get into the logistics of it, if he misses that, there's a higher dollar allocated. Like I think that dealt to separate.

You know what I mean? Right. So it would have been even higher. So yeah, it would have been, it would have been a 150, 200K swing for that put for a man who needs. We say it one thing when it's Justin Thomas and Jordan Speeth battle. Right. fine when it's when it's the gala our guy who's fucking entering this world for the first time and his

family lives with his fucking parents and he makes that you know 200,000 dollar put coming down the hill after by the way like the emotion has already been ripped out of you. You've already not won. You're already like there's a it's called a fucking downer that you're on. He's already down and now he's got to get back up and make a $200,000 downhill putt and he made it. So he's awesome. What a great week. What a great week for golf. Hashtag good. for golf. Good hashtag, great C. Good one.

Great good. You like that one, don't you alert you, boy? It's a good one. Yeah, it's a good hashtag. Fantastic for golf. All right. We're done here. Everybody, make sure you tune in tonight.

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