Fore Play - Scottie Scheffler & Wyndham Clark

Episode Date: August 19, 2021

Scottie Scheffler (0:33:02) & Wyndham Clark (01:12:55) join the show live from our set overlooking 18 at Liberty National. Scottie talks his history with us, with following Barstool, getting mad on the course, and being a top-20 player in the world. Wyndham talks about how he and his caddie settle on yardages, how serious talks became with The Bachelor, getting competitive games with other pros, and having style as a golfer. We also breakdown our interactions at the Northern Trust with Phil Mickelson, Joel Dahmen, Harry Higgs, Keith Mitchell, Abraham Ancer and more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports. We have myself, Trent, Frankie. We are live at Liberty National for the Northern Trust 2021. It's the first playoff event. There are 125 of the best players over the past season here. We have a big show.

We have Wyndham Clark. We have Scotty Sheffler. and we're live. When was the last time we did a show together? In person? Probably been a lot. Forest Dunes? Man, it wasn't that long ago.

Wasn't that long ago. You know? Like three or four weeks ago, Chuck? I was thinking it was way longer. Were you thinking like a year? I was thinking the last time. I was thinking San Diego. When we were at that hotel and we were in that conference room.

Oh, we're talking about Fat-Face Frankie. Yes. That's the last time I thought we all did in a show, by the way. That was in February? I don't, time is something that I don't understand. January was? Yeah, see, I don't remember. Wyndham Clark also said that Frankie looks like Justin Thomas.

Yeah, I don't know that it was a compliment or not. You had a very funny answer to that, I thought. Yeah, you did. And people can hear that during the interview. Ooh, nice little teaser. I got to say, I don't see the Justin Thomas thing. I know you've gotten it a lot. I don't see it all the time.

Sometimes I really see it. Yeah, I don't know. I think we just have two doughy white faces. They're white, yeah. That'll do it. Just like nothing going on on them. Sometimes I see pictures of him. I said, man, that guy looks like me.

There's got to be something to it because a lot of people do say it. There's just no definition. It's almost like looking at something that is round. Yeah. Well, moon fate. It's almost like it's like a 720P. Same shape of that thing up in the sky there. I don't know if the moonface kid is with us anymore.

You think he's passed away? I think he did. I think he couldn't take it anymore. Like as a moon face tweeter? There was a guy who used to comment on every single YouTube account. and he'd just say Frankie has a face like the moon he had merchandise that would have my face looking like a moon and it said Frankie looks like

the moon Frankie has a face like the moon no matter what the video was no matter who it was I mean it was crazy and then one day he tweeted out like I can't take this anymore and then like it just was no more he was gone you outlasted him I think so well done he's not here anymore so unless he has an epic resurgence

moon face kid has has left us rest in peace yeah it was quite the turn quite quite the turn the northern trust We're going to be out here all week. Folks should buy tickets. Come out. There's a ferry that's taking people from downtown.

Obviously, you know, with the pandemic, haven't been a ton of events that have been able to have, you know, fans. There hasn't been a golf tournament with fans around this area in a very long time. So Liberty National is a stunning, stunning venue. Even if there was no golf to watch, just walking this place, looking at Lady Liberty, looking at the New York City skyline, even this magnificent clubhouse here at Liberty. It is awesome.

So come hang out with us. We had a big day today. We had a huge day. We had Phil Mickelson. We kind of had a little bit of thank you competition with Phil Mickelson, which we're going to get into. First, Owens Mixers. We got to thank Owens Mixers. Huge meet up at the Green.

Green Rock. Green Rock in Hoboken on Thursday night, 6 p.m. So we're going to watch the golf. We're going to be out here at the course. And then we're going to go to Green Rock and meet up with folks and drink some Owen's Mixers. I believe it's going to be us. And then I believe more Barstool personalities are going to be there as well. I don't want to make any promises that.

I don't assume you'd see the likes of like the Marty Mushes, Glennie balls, and the Zaz, because they love that place. Yeah, yeah. And they're Jersey City, guys, I'm pretty sure, right? Marty Mush, Dane a B, yeah. Okay. Come out, come out, come out, come out, come out, come out and see it.

So come on out, 6 o'clock, Green Rock, Hoboken. It's been a great time. We're going to talk some golf. We're going to have some drinks with some folks. We're going to catch you up. I don't know, you say whatever you want to us in person, because that's sort of how humans interact with each other. Another way they interact is to have cocktails.

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You're cooking. So Phil Mickelson, Joel Damon, Keith Mitchell, and Harry Higgs. It looks phenomenal, by the way. Skinny, Harry Higgs. Skinny, Minnie. He's a skinny little bitch now.

He looked better. He looked skinnier at Kiowa, and I remember we maybe made mention of it then, and he looks even better out here now. Like he's just doing it right. Whatever he's doing, I forget what he said to us, what his diet was. Dude, he's doing the intermittent fasting. Intermitt and fasting. And I think he said meat and veggies. Okay.

So no cars. Sometimes it sucks when the fat guys get a little skinnier. It's sad. He's so funny and jolly. Right. Certainly a part of Harry's his idea. He's just like 130 pounds. I don't think they're

Jonah Hill Jonah Hill Jonah Hill Yeah Jonah Hill literally gets less funny Yeah He gets more serious

You want to see him In a drama It's crazy It literally fluctuates With their I mean Hollywood Is proven this Yeah

But Harry Higgs Looks great He looks fantastic I'm happy for him I'm just saying There's nothing Like seeing that guy With a little bit

Of a belly He got the shirt down Like that was his brand You're mad That Harry Higgs got skinny I'm not mad I'm happy for him Personally

I'm mad that we don't get to see That jolly I don't find him To be any less jolly Okay Maybe a little less jolly They seem a little more serious today He was in a big match

He wasn't a big match But I think the seriousness Comes with being a little bit more Flat I also think you're a little miserable I'm not miserable No no no I'm saying I'm saying the people that do it

Oh He's called him miserable No no no no no no What do you mean the people that do it The people who lose weight Like when I When I'm at my biggest I'm certainly at my happiness

Thought you were saying Frankie's judgment is skewed Because he is an individual is miserable. No, that also could be true. But I'm saying when I'm at my heaviest, I am at my happiest. Right. Right, you think Harry Higgs is happy? He's only having one meal a day? No. No way, dude.

I know that from experience. When I got, when I lost a ton of weight, I was less happy than I was when I was fat. He looked the most sad when you were the best in shape and most fit. No doubt. But Harry Higgs looks great. He looks great. So that had a big match today was Joel Damon,

our buddy, who we beat in a scramble match at Mesa Country Kill, killed him. And then he won on tour a couple months later. Joel Damon and Phil Mickelson, the reigning PGA champion against Harry Higgs and Keith Mitchell. And it was great. It was fun to be out there. There's a lot of people following along. There's no fans really allowed on property.

But there are some, like, Liberty National members and other kind of VIPs and then a bunch of media members around. It was very, very fun to follow to hear Phil chirp. I think Phil in the first he said, hey, guys, I'm playing a Callaway with a. a silhouette of me jumping in the air for when I won the Masters on it. What are you guys playing? That's funny. So that's a good line. And then, um, and so, you know, there's a lot of churper bag and forth. It sounds like him and, uh, Joel Damon won is kind of the, what I've been gathering. It's kind of finishing up right now and we're doing a podcast, so I'm not on Twitter the whole time, but big takeaway for us was we still love to death,

Joel Damon, Harry Higgs, Keith Mitchell. They're awesome. We've had them on the show. We've chatted with them, done videos with them. We love Keith Mitchell. We had him on the show a few years ago after he won the Honda Classic. He was nice. Very nice. He was at like a bar by himself. Remember that? He was, yeah.

Wow. Nice guy. He's really nice guy. He's a cool quieter, like, in terms of social and all that than the other guys. But really good dude. And then we haven't had a ton of interaction with Phil McEgerson in real life. Only kind of on the internet. We've even debated how much that's been actually Phil or his team or whatever.

All of it has been on the internet. The second biggest name in my golf history. You ran into him at a match. I ran into a match. when him and Tiger play, but he's very briefly just said like, oh yeah, you're from Twitter. Like, you know, I've appreciated the interactions. And then I saw him at Wingfoot, um,

when Jake Bass and I, but it wasn't on camera. Yeah. Me and Phil Chatted for probably 60 seconds walking from one, uh, agreeing to a tea. And other than that, we haven't really had any in person interaction. There's been a lot of it on the internet though. A lot. DEMs. DEMs. Dems. A lot of just back and forth publicly on Twitter. Like it's been tickling our ball sacks.

To the point where I, I have in the past on this show been like, I'm not sure what. how much of this is actually Phil and how much of it is someone on his team running his Twitter account. I've actually come to the other side of that for the most part. I do think he runs a lot of his Twitter count. It's just we've had a lot of interaction on Twitter and not as much in real life. That changed today. So today on the second T-box, I believe it was, at Liberty National,

it was a good environment for us because, again, a couple of those three other guys are our guys, Gino, who is Joel Damon's caddy I've played around with before, so I know him pretty well. So we're surrounded by allies, right? And whenever it just kind of warms the situation. Very much so. When there's a big celebrity like Phil Mickelson, you know, in our presence. So we, Joel Damon came over, gives Trent huge hug graduations. I want some credit for initiating that.

You gave him a big old fucking wave. And he looked at me and waved. He goes, hi, Frankie. You get that credit. Thank you. No doubt. What we know that you're fishing for credit. Because what's about to come out, we all know that I'm not a part of it.

So I just needed to make sure that that was stated prior to you talking about. Joel came over. He was very nice. He congratulated me on Breaking 100, which I've been getting a lot out here. Thank you to everyone who was saying. You've been getting it. It's an enormous amount. So funny to hear professional, top-of-the-line golfers, the best in the world.

Congratulate you on something to them is not even in the realm of mediocre. It's less than mediocre. On this property today, you may have gotten more congrats for you breaking 100 than Kevin Kisner will get for winning. a PG at Tor. I got it from Joel Damon and Harry Higgs back to back. John Tiller, you saw him, and that was a great embrace. He said that people were saying congratulations to him, and then he'd be like,

oh, yeah, that was crazy kids. And they'd be like, no, the other guy from Barstool, they're breaking 100. It's nuts. I've been getting a lot, and it is very, it's surreal to get it from guys like Joel Damon and Harry Higgs. So they came over, big hugs, high fives, congratulations on breaking 100. And then

it's hard to describe what happened next. Well, then Phil Mickelson. six-time major winner. 45 or so PGA Tour wins, maybe 46. One of the great players of the history of the game. One of the biggest celebrities in the history of the game. Made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. So much.

The lefty. Walks right over at us. He gives a fist bump. He says, hey, guys, how you doing? Who do you get fist bumps to? We gave fist bumps, and I said plural, because he gave them to myself and Trent. Yeah.

And his fist under no sense. Fist, under no circumstances, even realized Frankie Borelli's fists were in America. I got iced. He fucking iced to me. Didn't say a word to Frankie. Didn't address him, didn't fist pop him. But what Phil did say was interesting. He thanked us enormously.

I would say too loudly to the point where it was awkward in front of other media members. He thanked us profusely for all that we have done to make golf cool. Can we put that audio in right now, please? Good to see it. Good to see you? How we doing? Awesome. You?

Great. Games get to. sharp we're getting there we're getting there awesome well we appreciate what you guys do for golf it's really cool thank you you're making it cool we appreciate it yeah I'm very uh thankful for what you guys do thank you thank you for saying that you can have a thank you all I mean it because yeah we gotta be you're just helping making the game cool and we appreciate golf is cool uh good luck out there how you feel about your partner let's wait till Thursday before calling luck you know we're good today

And at no point, I would never shush Phil Mickelson. But he was being so loud with his... Shut your mouth. Shut your mouth. And like you said, Riggs, there were other media members around. It was a big crew following this match. And he just kept saying, thank you. Thank you for all you've done.

Is there somebody behind me? It's Harold Varno 3rd. Okay. Great guy. We saw him earlier. He just kept saying, thank you for everything you do for the game. I'm thankful for everything you do for the game. And he was saying it,

loudly so everyone could hear. We're not we're not guys that can really handle being praised. No one ever praised like praises us for any, like why would I be praised? We don't do anything. I have no idea how to accept compliments.

Well, ever. So then we have Phil Mickelson of all people who I'm thinking he's going to bust our balls. By the way, he did say, I heard your game's getting sharp to you. He did. He said, games getting sharp. I said, it's getting there. Yeah, he pulled that from his brain. There's something I'm supposed to know about this fucking guy here. He didn't say or look at me He didn't say a fucking word to me.

Didn't thank me. Didn't say a word to me. Didn't fucking fist bump me. Do you want me to say thank you for everything? No, I don't need, no. Listen, I don't need that. I don't need thanks like you guys. Because it needs to come from Phil, which is where we got it from.

It just hurts to get fucking, it was lefty on lefty crime, man. Of all the people in the world, Phil Mickelson, to not just fist bump me. I'm the fist bump king. Like, I love that shit. I love fist bumping people. I love getting in the mix with celebrities. and athletes. I had this guy, Michael, be like, fawning over athletes

is one of the most pathetic things you can do as a human being. And I was just like, this guy fucking sucks. That guy sucks. Imagine not, like, imagine not having your jaw on the ground in the presence of one of the best at the sport that you love. Like, that is what life is.

Like, you aspire to be the best and you aspire to be successful and, like, famous and athletic and the best in that sport. And so, like, we fucking love it. Like, the ancient Greeks used to love when they're fucking athletes and these like these these they would like battle to the death it's like it's like it's how I think the ancient greeks are you think so how many times how many shows you'll the next Olympics you think so and then it's going to re up in 2022 are you still bringing up the ancient Greeks every show at our core we love athletes true it's it's a human thing to watch athletic specimens do things and people like you're in you are right that's actually a very good time to bring up ancient Greeks it's it's been this way forever. We just are, we fawn over them. Thank you for the wording Michael on Twitter. So, yeah, when I didn't get the fist bump, I was devastated. And it's funny too, because you knew that you

were living through a moment that we were now going to talk about like we're talking about right now. Immediately. I didn't say a word to Tiger Woods when he came up to us. I forgot to like speak. And then I didn't, and I wasn't even in the video. Jake only got, I wasn't the video at some point, but Jake did not get my face shaking his hand. So, like, I was never really there. Oh, with the Tiger video? Yeah. Okay.

And then Phil Mickelson comes. You remember that? It was like, it just somehow catches rigs and then Trent, and I'm behind. And now this time. We're really uncovering some things with this, because I did not notice that before with Tiger. And for the record. Trent and I, during our really fun interaction where he thanked us so much. Look me right in the eyes.

And then thanked us again and again super loud so everybody on property could hear it. We had no clue that you were being shunned by Phil. Luckily, the part that didn't get on video is me actually holding out my fist. That's actually a shame. Somebody might have that somewhere. Yeah, it's a shame. You know, he owes me one. He owes me one bad.

Does this, like, hurt your fandom of Phil at all? No, it actually makes it more. He didn't do it on purpose. He didn't. Now it's a little more. Now I'm hungry. You know, he's giving me a little taste. It almost hurts more they didn't do it on purpose.

Like, you were unnoticeable. You were there. We were there. Riggs and I were there. Well, it's very well documented that we were there. Some people said, Damon fucked me because he was like kind of at Phil's left and I was to the right. Don't take this out on Joel. Brendan Jones. So he put you in a blind spot for Phil? And I was on the other side of eBug who was filming.

So it was like, was I on the outside, but still, man. I mean, come on. I was breaking 100 had. I had Barstool golf stuff all over me. That whole time you just watched us interact with Phil and you just, like you were a fan of us. Right after that moment, some guy came up to you two and was like, I'm the biggest fan of you two. Which are a picture?

You guys took a picture of them. I just stood there and stared at them. And it was just like, let's just take that mic away from you. What is happening right now? For about crazy. Two minutes. No, I'm actually, you know,

stop the hammering. Can you hear the hammering? I don't think they can probably hear the hammering. They can't hear the hammering? Can you hear that on the head? It's there. Just so everyone knows, there's some hammering going on that we can hear. Didn't they set these things up weeks ago?

I'm not actually mad. No, I know. Oh, clearly. Yeah. It made the video better, to be honest. Yeah. Right, because then you turned to the camera and said, if I don't get a fistbook from Phil Nicholson,

I'm going to fucking kill myself. I'm going to fucking kill myself. We'll be hanging front of Baton. You'll have to do dishes, nothing. That's right. It sets you up for a redemption story. Yeah, he owns one. Because he's going to, if he hasn't seen it yet,

he is going to see all the traction on Twitter about how, he missed out on giving Frankie Burley a fist bump. He's going to see that. Maybe he'll tweet something at you that says, hey, I'll get you next time. And that is going to be a sweet, sweet, sweet embrace between the interview. Yeah. Maybe I'll get a little bit more than fist bump, you know?

Maybe. The door is now open for me to get embraced by Phil Meckleson, and that's the place I want to be. I'm trying to have to wait for it. He was just so thankful. He really was. Now, do you guys think that he was doing on purpose? So many times.

What do you mean on purpose? I remember. Oh, like saying it loudly in front of other media members? He's been very public about it. hating the media recently. Detroit. You could pick up from his breadcrumbs. I think that he is not a huge fan of most golf media. I think that's a fair takeaway.

Except for us, which he thanked us for everything that we do for the world, really. Just making golf fun. Fun. Making it cool. Making it cool. My response, apparently, which people are noticing, is golf is fun. You said golf is cool. Golf is cool.

You said golf is cool. But that's just one of those moments where you're just hanging on for dear life. I'm looking for any words to come out of my mouth. Right. That aren't, like, ridiculous. Yeah. Golf is cool. And I think that's fair.

Nobody can disagree with that. Some people might, I guess, but for the most part, golf is really cool. Yeah, I just kind of mirrored, like, what he said, kind of. Right. I didn't say a word to him again. Yeah. You weren't even there. Yeah, he wasn't even there.

Yeah, you weren't. You were part of the line. You got people texting me, Vinnie La Terry from Minnesota. He goes, you're the ice man. Oh, no, he's going to texting people across the NHL that you are now the ice man. You got ice by Finn Miclson. it will live with you forever. I'm now, that's like, that is what I'll live by

until I get embraced. I was personally, and I wasn't thinking about this at the time, but now thinking back into my head, I'm just trying to avoid another where you station moment with one of the best golfers of his generation. He actually did great with this one. Yeah, because he said, you know, games coming around, and I said,

it's getting there. That's great. Right. You had an A performance. Thank you. I thought. Thank you. Because I wanted to avoid, once again getting asked a question Frank didn't even show up to the test No

Can't even give me an F I can be honest the hammering is getting closer Hammering's getting way closer Stop stop the hammering He bug shaking his head like oh yeah I can see the levels Now people haven't seen that clip We might have to put that in of the stop the hammering guy Oh my God it's coming from here

It's there Somebody over there Stop somebody in that control room is out of control What a clip It is such a good clip Can They're doing on purpose now Has to be ruining this.

They also have to be, they also have to hear us say stop the hammering and they're hammering louder. What do you think they're hammering? This thing was built. It's already built. We're sitting on it. As soon as we stopped, they stopped. We're good to keep rolling, bug? Let me ask you a question.

Yeah. What do you guys know about cryptocurrency? I know that it's a little bit of a risk, but a high reward and I like it. I know a little bit about it. I'd actually like to know more. well your answer to that is a little podcast called modern finance podcast hosted by kevin rose okay is a great place Trent and Frankie thank you for joining us Frankie yeah a great place to listen include him and everything about the latest did you bite your tongue when you just said

that Trent did you hear that no I kind of came up with the idea to to jab you a little bit there and it might have messed up the whole way that I yeah chew and talk is a great place again this is the Finance podcast hosted by Kevin Rose is a great place to listen about the latest trends in crypto and brush up on fundamentals. Cryptoism for everyone until you listen to modern finance. Modern finance is the crypto show for the novice and expert alike. Their mission is to demystify crypto in the world of NFTs without dumbing it down. So giving you all the real information without speaking to you like year or one year old. What I know about crypto is that I need to know more about it. I don't want it to be one of those things where I just brush it off

I'm like, oh, I don't understand it, so I'm just going to move on and not pay attention to it at all. No, I actually want to go the other way, and I'd really like to learn the ins and outs of it and try to understand it more. You don't want the whole world to get rich on crypto, except you because you didn't know anything. And it comes in waves. So it's like, it comes in your life. You're like, why didn't I do that? And then it goes away for a while, and you're like, all right, I'm not even going to think about it. And then again in the news, I just bit my tongue.

See that? Is it? Karma? That's insane. Yeah, is it's insane. I mean, I've bitten my tongue in years. That's insane. It's going on here.

I just called you up for biting your tongue. Dude, I think it's when you pivot. That was the saying. Something? It's like... The fact that like it comes back and it's this resurgence of crypto and you're like, how are these fucking people getting rich off this shit? Right.

You know what I mean? Being dismissive. Right. And being dismissive of it is at a point immature. Where you're just like, I don't want to learn a new thing. So whatever. But it sounds like this podcast will teach you a lot about it. Feel informed about your investments and don't miss out on the next big thing in crypto or

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100%. Yeah. That's right. Another guy, Abraham Answer. So clearly Word had gotten to him, a very recent winner. He won the WGC a few weeks ago. He's going to be a stud for a long time to come in the golf world. Clearly, he's just got everything about it.

The maturity, the vibe. He's just got his shit together and he's sick. He played great under pressure. at Royal Melbourne, except for when Tiger Woods, uh, dusted him in singles match. But anyways, he clearly would have gotten back to Abe answer,

honest Abe, uh, that, you know, we told the story that our, our running bit with him is that he tells us. I think his crutch when he would run into us was like, oh yeah,

I'm gonna get you guys those hats. We're like, that's awesome, man. Well, take it even further. Our crutch was saying how much we love the logo of his tequila company. And then he would say,

oh, I'll get you a couple hats. And they're, And we would never connect. My guy, oh, you did get those. I'm going to make sure my guy gets you those hats. It would be like, awesome. And we'd see him at the next tournament.

Same conversation. Same conversation. Well, that had gotten back to him that we had told the world about our running bit of crutches. Yeah. And he came running over to us today. With his phone. With his phone. And was like, all right, I'm getting you these fucking hats.

And he actually exchanged numbers with us and said, text me the address. I'm sending you the hats. So now we'll just have them on the show. we'll all wear the hats during the podcast. Yeah. That'd be fun. I'm in on that. Me too.

Because I will say I want the hats, but I also don't want the hats. You can rock that hat? The reason I don't want them is because I like the bit. You can rock that hat? I've been going hatless a lot lately. It's such a strong hat. Like, only Abraham Manser can rock that thing. He looks so good at it.

It's got this, like, wild logo. It's so cool. But, like, the way he walks around with his, it's a black hag. He's got the black shirt on. I'll be interested to see if we can wear those things and rock them. We can try. Yeah. We're definitely going to be a podcast where we show up on the screen and we're all wearing the hats.

And then there was a discussion amongst us of like, do we text them the wrong address? To never get the hats. So that we don't ever get the hats and it just becomes a thing. We'll take the hats. I want the hats. And I don't want him to feel like we dogged him or set him up for failure. No. Or anything of that nature.

Because the logo is sweet. Who else do we run into? I ran into Tilleri. My guy, John Tiller. I wasn't to see your swing coach. It was really great. I have not seen him in person. I obviously face-timed him after I broke 100,

but I hadn't seen him yet, and it's just different. We came upon him on the putting green, and it's always good to see him, but it was even more special this time around, obviously, and we hugged. Apparently, I let out a sigh. A lot of people are tweeting at me.

I saw that. And commenting saying, like, I saw the tweets about your side. relieved sigh like we did it man we did it and it was really good to see him obviously he's coming off a big month with me breaking 100 and then kevin kisner winning just the other day so he's he's living great and it's good to see him and we immediately started talking about what's next breaking 90 when am i going to go back down to georgia when are we going to get that rolling so he's going to look at some dates and we're going to work that out but it was just good to see him after such a triumph

One of my big takeaways from today is that, you know, the people are demanding a breaking 90. Big time. Yeah. Series. Yeah. Players, coaches, fans. And we've been getting a lot of that since I broke 100, but it continues to roll. And J.T., John Tiller, he's just been really busy and I've been busy.

We've been traveling a lot. But we are going to get together. We're going to work out some dates. And we're just going to start breaking 90 and go from there. But it was really good to see him. you guys have a pretty um you just have a great relationship i would say you and you and john tillery we do we're very it's very uh it's almost it feels natural feels like the the two of you have been close for decades and i said that when i came back from georgia during the first time when we started

breaking 100 that sometimes you just meet people and you connect immediately and john tillary is one of those people for me and it's really amazing how it has worked out just because the video series went so well and it's going so well like it could have happened where i went down there jake and i to start the video series and we just didn't click totally and we still would have made the videos and we still would have had a good time with it but it's really just worked out so well and i'm so happy that i picked him for my swing coach and that he agreed to do it it just all worked out together we're i think we're very similar in a lot of ways and it just it works out we saw pat perez hilarious to see him in the setting that he's like actually doing the thing yeah like a competitive

pretty serious golf I think that all the time with like the Allender sometimes I was watching them in the fucking Eastern Conference Finals I'm like can you believe Brock Nelson is out there scoring goals like to try and win a Stanley Cup crazy and I see Pat Perez

and I just can't believe he was standing next to Dustin Johnson hitting golf shots and then Pat Perez has made a shit to what was he on the all-time money list he's like a 50 something 54th or something Top 60 all-time money list and we're acting like this guy's like

not supposed to be out there but it just looks so weird to me. Same thing with Kisner. Yes, Kiz for sure. We've had some nights with Kisner where it's like, that's just the guy.

He's just one of the guys. Kis snuck on the golf course. Yeah, and then he's fucking throwing darts and winning tournaments in a six-man playoff. Like, it is. It's very funny to see these guys

in the different contexts that we get to see them. And Pappres is absolutely one of those. I think we're going to keep rolling until Sky Shephyr gets here and just make him sit down, you know, I don't want to even introduce my stuff. I don't even want to,

I just want him to sit down, live running. We think we're going to ask this guy. Yeah, all right. That's right. Before he gets here, let's talk about your history with Scottie Sheffler. My history of Scottie Sheffler. Well, we'll talk about it with him.

My history with Scott Schaeffler. I see him. I see him. My history of Schaeffler is that we were at Kiwa and I was just like, Scott A, and he turned around and goes, you know who I am? Like, what the fuck? And we kind of got into a weird back and forth.

Here he comes. Here he comes. Is that Mike on? Is that mic on? Scotty. Scotty. We're rolling, baby. We're rolling, baby.

We're rolling right now. No, we're not live, but we are rolling. We just thought that you've got the vibe where we just want to just roll right into it. Yeah. You know? Hello. How are you? How's it going?

Try to speak into that puppy as much you obviously can. Always nice at these events. Again, being out here at Liberty National at the Northern Trust, we ran into our tailor-made fam. We did. Family. We did. Bar-Bootty. One of the great characters in golf.

Who people don't really know about at all. But he's one of our... Have we ever told people about Bar-Buddy? I don't think so. I don't think so. He's our main point of contact for the most part at Taylor Made. He sends us all of stuff. I think maybe we talked about him when we said, like, think about how many balls you have to send and then double it.

That's your tip of my booty. That was too bar, yeah. He's our point of contact. He helped get the Trent video up on the wall at the Taylor Made headquarters. Yeah, the wall champion season. He's the one who sent that to us and was like, check this shit out. And we're like, that's maybe the best video we've ever seen. Bold dresser, I would say, in the golf world.

He is. He's got style. A stylish haircut, too. Big time. Yeah. He's got kind of a call. bro mixed to him, but he's also kind of jacked with like tattoos. He's got a big Jerry Garcia tattoo on his arm. Huge. Yeah.

But he's a golf guy. So as big of a golf as he can be, works for Taylor-Mate golf. Anyway, great company, great friends that we've got over there, including Barbudi. Big thanks him for all that he does. But we're laughing with them about you being in the Wall of Champions, Hall of Champion. And they said that they made two of those

and they're going to send one to the Barstall office, which we will be putting up somewhere. I don't know where, but there's a lot of space in that office. So that picture of me with the less than a 100 used the SIM 2 max driver. That's going up in the Barstall offices. And they said they slap it like we play like champion today. They start that puppy on their way, you know, into a big meeting. So.

Taylormade is very, very good to us. They get it. They get it. Go to Barstlesports.com slash Taylor May. We got our own landing page there. You can check out what we use. But Trent just shot the lowest round of his life using Taylor Made. My handicaps of the lowest it's ever been using Taylor Made.

Lurch, I believe it's just posted a score. where he shot like one over par. Let's sing the praises of Frankie Borelli. What are you doing well right now? I'm playing to my handicap, which is exciting. Because like there was a time where it was, it was going up. Like it was started an eight and then it was an eight eight, then it was a nine five, there was a nine seven,

there was like a nine nine nine. I've gotten it back in the eights because I'm playing easier courses. So it's nice. It's nice to the court. I'm not playing as good a golf as you guys. So I don't know what else you want to hear from me. But you feel confident in your. equipment, which you brought to you my

We really got somewhere there. We really got to something there. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck Taylor. Man. We all know we love Taylor, man. It's like a joke at this point. It's ridiculous.

Sim twos are insane. The new wedges they sent you. How about those? Oh my God, they're so nice. I can't wait to use them. So clean. They're so clean. They sent you the matte black ones.

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So we're just talking about our history with you. And Frankie, I wasn't dead. I'm telling you. There's something going on. You too smirking us a lot. Yeah. Because I guess we had to rush this today. and Josh just told us

you have to go train with Dave tomorrow That's how he phrased it Yes, training We are going to train Well, yeah, we have to practice We have a massive match going on And we have to practice So yeah, tomorrow's a training day

Big time Are you coaching him on? I don't know that I really have the I don't like have the qualifications for that But I'm going to be there I'm going to try That is an interesting dynamic That you're going to be coaching Dave Portnoy

I think I can help him get him to where he needs to be mentally. So you're aware of the match? I'm aware of the match. What are your genuine thoughts about what could happen during that match between Dave and Brooks? Like who's going to win?

Yeah. I mean, if I was betting on, I would probably bet on Brooks. Okay. Brooks is going to kill him. Brooks is going to kill Dave. Yeah, I forget he always goes against Dave. I've seen, I've seen Dave's video of him doing the Mulligan challenges. He only took 385.

Stinks. But also, I've never seen Brooks play. lefty so I that was gonna be my question to you have you ever seen you so you never never even attempted I think the world has really only seen videos here and there it's pretty good could be doctored the video I put up last night was the video he put up last night was blatantly propaganda blatantly fake I think it was CGI to 100% dude you could hear it fall in the cup it was a pin in the cup do you see the video from last night no he had blindfolded um Tom Brady did one like two weeks ago where he just like

was hitting it into the, or wait. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was completely fake. Yeah. So Brooks was like, I saw Tom Brady to do this. I'm going to do it. And he put the fucking blindfold on.

Hit the put and actually looked at where the ball was going with the blindfold on. It was like a 70 foot put. It was a 70 foot puck. He made it. Yeah. On the CGI. So your money's on Brooks. Yes.

My whole thing with this match is that we got to get Dave to a certain number and not worry about Brooks. Right? Like, Dave has to break like 95. Yeah, what can you shoot? That's like yet to be seen. We don't know. We don't know. I mean, he shot 4 under at the U.S. Open.

He had 365 bullets. Doesn't matter. So he actually shot like 4.30. He still did it. He persevered. So can you play left hand at all? Do you ever try? I've tried.

I'm not good at it. You hit it like dog shit? Yeah, terrible. I got to be you seem pretty plugged into Barstow. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a big fan. I appreciate that. Yeah.

That actually, that makes more sense. Because when we were at Kiwa, we had such a funny little back and forth there. It was so, like, almost awkward. but not. Because we had just talked about you on the show a couple of weeks before that saying, like, we like Scottie's vibe. Like, he seems like a very cool, very relaxed. He fell off his legs.

Came out of his pocket? What were they fucking finished? That is unbelievable. Man, I wish they had fallen. It just fell off the cliff. If we're being honest, I wish they had fallen, just because that would have been funny. So the interaction at Keogh, because I wasn't there.

So we were just walking by him, and I'm like, stuff, Scotty. And you stopped and laughed at me. And I'm like, what the fuck? And you're like, oh, I just didn't know you knew who I was. Or my name. Well, it was weird because I think I had, like, walked by him. And so I just was, I think I was talking to my coach or something.

And so I walked by and I hear this voice. It's like, hey, Scottie, I turned around and it was Frankie. And I was like, oh, I didn't think you knew my name. And then he started, like, yelling at me. That sounds like Frank. Yeah, you are a crazy person. I was like, how the fuck do I know this guy, Sheffler? I mean, come on.

Because we had, yeah, we had just talked about him being like, oh, we like his vibe. We think he's cool. And we didn't think that you knew who we were. So that's like... We've always wanted you to be in our crew. Like, we have like a crew of guys. I just think you're laid back, you know, kind of a big body.

I just like your vibe, man. Big in a good way. In a good way. Like, you're just like you've got a presence out there. You're not like some fucking, like, wimpy guy out there. You're like a guy. Give us one of the wimpy guys you were thinking of. Matt Fitzpatrick.

Yeah, I do that. So I've seen the video on YouTube. There we go. The fire or whatever it was. That's your crutch when it comes to a little. He's our guy. guess we just take it. Yeah, he's great. No, we did. We said you have like such a chill vibe about you. Yeah, well, thanks. I appreciate it. I've been a fan of bars still a long time. So, I mean,

I'm glad you all are getting into golf now as well. So talk to us about this, like, vibe. You just don't like get nervous on the golf course. Like, do things not affect you? No, I get nervous. You just like don't like don't physically show it? I guess because like. I guess. I don't know. I'm not looking at myself. Yeah. I mean, I definitely get nervous. I get nervous when I got and play for fun. So, yeah. I mean, like, I like to play well. And so I get nervous. Just do you get nervous on first tee? Yeah. Still?

Yeah. Is that something you like never want to lose? I feel like. Yeah. So I feel like when I'm nervous, I play better. Right. And so like if I get a little bit of nerves, I tend to focus a little bit harder. And so for me, if I'm not nervous, I'm probably going to be worried.

Usually, so I used to wear one of those whoops. Yeah. And so it measures your strain. And so like guys who said when they're playing better, the whoop score is higher. And for me, my bad rounds, my whoop score was always crazy low. Like when I played terrible, my whoop score, I would have a strain of like a 12. And when I was playing good, it would be like a 20. Right.

19. And so for me, if I'm not nervous, I'm worried. That means your, like, heart's pumping. Well, no, you're learning that you didn't, like, care enough to, like, play well. Yeah, exactly. It was like, I started playing, like, in the rounds in which I played terrible, my whoop score was really low. And even my mediocre rounds, they would still be high, but when I played terrible, it was really low. I just picture Scott yourself, like, watching planes fly by.

He's like, what are we doing out of it? In the middle of those rounds, did you know that that was like, you were thinking yourself, like, I'm probably going to have a low whoops score today. Well, I'd even tell my caddy, I'm like, I just can't focus right now. I just can't do it. Yeah. I just, for some reason, it didn't happen very often, but for some reason I just couldn't focus. Do you find that, like, fans now are helping with that at all? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you don't want to play terrible in front of, you know, people. It's like a charged up environment now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you ever get mad? Yeah.

Do you have emotions? That's what we're at. Is that really what it is? Yeah. You robots. I wish you had my caddy in here. He would know a lot better than everybody else. Yeah, all right.

Because we'd ever see it. We don't see you guys. Yeah, I mean, so growing up, I would get really pissed, like really, really pissed. And so that was something I always worked on was not getting really pissed. And I feel like that's something I still struggle with. So I'm glad that you guys think I have this vibe or something. I was to say, I thought you had maybe slice the part of your brain off. No, I mean, no, I used to get really mad.

You can have, I mean, my college teammates, like, Doug, ask Doug. Yeah. Yeah. Don't ask him on a hot mic because he has too many stories. Yeah. In private, you can ask him. He's a big storyteller too. Yeah, he is.

Yeah. That looks great. Yeah, I feel like he shows some emotion. Yeah. A little bit, a little bit more. Yeah. I mean, I think everybody out here has some more fire than you got, than people think just from seeing us on TV. It's a healthy balance, though, right?

Because you want that fire. That's like what makes you strive to be better. Like, if you lose that completely, then you have low whoop days. You just don't play. I mean, you have to get fired up. You have to get excited. And, like, I think sometimes even when I'd have those low whoop scores, you know, I would, I leave the tournament trying to figure out how to not make that happen.

And so for me, just like being, I've always been extremely competitive. And so when I play poorly, so after we finished in Memphis last week, we stayed around and watched Sam finish because we were staying with them, end up not winning. But then my wife and I drove seven hours home to Dallas. And I was just sitting there in the car, like, just thinking about how I was going to not let this happening. And I was just fuming. Yeah. And so, I mean, yeah, I guess. I mean, it's just, you got to have the fire.

You got to stay motivated and try and play well. What's like the biggest shot of your career that sticks with you now in terms of like, fuck. I wish I had it back. Oh, I wish I had it back. Yeah. We'll ask you the positive one next. Yeah.

No, we don't care about that. Let me think about the terms. Like any of that you dwell on, like we asked, I remember me and Trent asked Gary Player one time like four years ago. Yeah. Pretty similar to question. and he just started fuming telling his story about when Arnold Palmer like hold out on him. And the final hole of the master was like 50 years before. And you could tell he was still pissed.

He's like, nobody holds out from there. And not necessarily that he could have done anything like dramatically different. But there was, you know, a moment in his career. I guess your career is still young. But even amateur, anything like that where you're just like, how did I not pull that off? Do you ever like think about that? I'm trying to think right now.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of one in which. It's probably good that you're not dwell. on stuff? Yeah. I mean, probably what's still stuck in my head is the last round of Memphis just because we just talked about it. And there's a couple shots and a couple puts that I wish I had back. And just because, I mean, I was so mad when I got off the golf course and I saw it 16 under one. I started the day at 13. And that was after bogeing 18 on Saturday, which I was still frustrated about. And so I would go back to just some shots in that round that I had last week that just just couldn't get anything going. And it's still, I mean, that's just because it's fresh in my mind.

What's like the process to correct that? Is it like more grinding? Is it focused? Is it at the answer? No, whoop is definitely, I don't even wear the whoop anymore. It was getting my head. What I took away from last week was when I'm at home, I need to be more focused in my practice.

And so sometimes I think I can get a little bit too relaxed and I'm not as competitive when I practice. And so for me, what I was really focusing on last week was bringing it to a tournament level at home when I was doing my stuff at home. How do you do that? just imagine yeah punish yourself

if you hit bad shots no no but it's like you got a whipping boy ready and it's like yeah yeah yeah bring my catty oh yeah no I mean for me I just imagine

I always felt like if I was playing tournament golf versus the driving range if you watched my dispersion on the driving range it would be like let's say it's this wide if you watched me in a tournament my dispersion would be this wide and that's something I

worked on college with my college coach was just making sure I keep that focus for whether it was 18 holes or 30 skills or whatever it was and so now I'm trying to do my best to take that to the range and the short came area when I practiced. Interesting. So you're number 20 in the world now obviously incredibly impressive but like how did how long did it take for you to get used to this level of golf on the PGA tour right? Your college high school I'm assuming you were like the best at your high school college you're amazing amateur status you're amazing when did you finally feel like all right I can play with these guys. Was there like a moment? Was there a tournament? So I was fortunate enough. I was able to play a couple of PGA tour events before I got.

I played two events when I was in high school, and I played two U.S. Opens when I was in college. And I had some success at the Nelson when I was in high school. I think I finished like mid-20s, which was, that would have been the most nervous I was on a golf course up until that point. I mean, it was my senior high school, local event, you know, all high school's out there watching. stud in high school that week that week only and it was you know at the very end of high school so it didn't do me much good he was like what's this dork play yeah exactly he's on tv yeah i'm telling you guys so so my wife we started dating my senior year high school and she knew i was playing in the barn

house and we'd be dating for like six months at this point but she knew nothing about golf nothing about anything and we were watching tv with her dad and she sees a commercial and she's like wait a minute she's like that's i was like yeah yeah like it's it's it's a thing that's like yeah like it's It's a thing. I swear it's a thing. People care about it. Some people did. But for me, those would be kind of some of those moments. I finished, I think, maybe 20th of the U.S. Open.

And so I always had the confidence that I could play out here. And it was just a matter of making it out here, I think. Okay. What's the, now to be positive, what's the best shot you think you've ever hit? The best shot? You know, it could be just flushed it. Whatever.

Yeah. So I'll go back. I think the shots out here, you know, I haven't really, you know, made a put to win a tournament. I haven't, like, made that huge put on 18 yet. And so for me, I haven't had one out here. My biggest one was in Q school, which is probably the most nervous I've been in a tournament ever, just because you're fighting for your career. So my first year out of school, I go through first, second stage, and third stage of Q school.

The first two stages, I had to shoot a really low round to get through both of them, was able to do that. And at final stage, I was in a great position. I was like T8th going to the last round. You only have to finish T40. And so I get into this mode where I'm not as focused. I'm like, all I got to do is shoot, you know, one or two hundred on this easy golf course. It's not hard.

And all of a sudden I get in this position where I have to Bertie 17 and par 18. And or else I don't get my card. And then I'm stuck without a place to play for another year. Right. I end up, I make a great up and down on 17 for Bertie. It was a par five. And I get to 18. I hit down the middle of the fairway.

I'm like, all right. I got it. Full wedge, two put. We're good. I'm fine. I hit this high snipe 50 degree. It's like I usually hit at 1.30. I hit it like 155. Long left of the green. And now I'm chipping like up and over this ridge down to the pin. I'm sitting back there. I'm like, I got my career on the line here. How am I back here? What am I doing? And I hit this chip to maybe six inches and just tapped it in. I got off the golf course and I was like, thank God. It's just as happy as could be. And so for me, I always look back on that shot just because first of all, is a difficult.

shot and it's one of those deals where I shouldn't have been in that position but I was and I was able to pull it off with you know the start of my career on the line. If not enough attention gets paid to that kind of pressure like your your livelihood and your career and the next year or two of your life on the line type pressure because you know when in a tournament yeah there's obviously going to be pressure it changed a lot of people's lives but like those guys typically like the people that are in there a lot of times they've won tournaments they've got millions of dollars they've got a ton of status they're usually playing really well already because that's how they're going to win the tournament.

Whereas like when you're grinding for a cut or you're grinding for Q school and it's not the glamour that's going on like out here all the time, that kind of pressure is different. Yeah. Yeah, because, you know, if I don't get that ball up and down, I'm stuck. I got to go back to doing Monday qualifiers on the cornfrey tour, which is a brutal, brutal way to do things. Just absolutely sucks. Digital security, very important.

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but kind of what's your mindset going in a playoffs? Is it different or weird at all that it's now a different, almost season within a season? Yeah, because, I mean, everything starts over. I think these tournaments are worth four times as much. Is that right? And so what I noticed last year getting to Eastlake, did you just say, yeah. No way any of us know that.

I know literally. Yeah, definitely. You'd be stunned at how little we know. It's not three times. That's why I was surprised you knew my name. I couldn't believe you said. You're like, yep. We're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, four times.

Well, I think, don't quote us on that. You should be two, I guess. Not three, not five. Four. And so what I noticed was going to East Lake, I think the guy who's in first starts at 10 under, then it goes to maybe eight, seven, six, or something like that. So if you're not top five going into the Fed's Cup final, you're basically starting five shots behind.

Right. And so I think last year, DJ was in first, and I was at maybe one or two under. And I was like, man, I just played with him two weeks before in Boston. And he smoked us again. I was like, we got to catch this guy, eight shots behind. It's going to be tough. You were second in Boston, right? No, I think I ended up finishing maybe fourth.

I think Harris ended up finishing second last year. Yeah, because that was when DJ ran away from it. Yeah, he beat us by, I think, 11. That's amazing. God, that was ridiculous. And then the next week, you got to give him, you basically giving them, like, eight shots or a couple weeks later, giving him eight shots. Well, then he almost won at Olympia Fields.

I think you finished second to John. That's right. Those putts. Those crazy puts. See, we pay you know what's going on a little bit. We're on top of our stuff right now. What's the most nervous you ever been over at golf shop? Probably that chip at Q school.

Really? I think I'm going to go back to that one again. It's such a different vibe. For people that haven't done it, I mean, I remember going into first stage, the final. I was on the number. and you're playing these easy golf courses, and what I find around the easier golf courses, you can't really limp your way around.

You still have to make birdies. Golf's still a hard sport where you have to go out and make birdies. And so I usually struggle on those easier courses just because of that reason. You have to still find a way to make birdies and just with your career on the line. I mean, if I don't get through first stage, I am going back to the Adams tour.

I'm going to travel, do Monday qualifiers. I think the summer I turned pro, I played six or seven Web Monday qualifiers. and was 30-something under and made one of them. Jesus. Yeah, the numbers in those, you see people shoot like 63 and like don't qualify. Yeah, that drives me crazy because, like, at that point,

those guys have the ability to be just as good as the guys on tour, right? Is the only difference that they can't put it together from day to day to day? Is that, like, what you gain once you make it to the PGA tour is, like, consistency? Yeah, and I think a lot of it is you have to play good golf at the right time. And so Q school is a really important time. Right, right. And now, especially because you can't. even make it the PJ tour at the Kee's school. You have to go to the Korn Ferry Tour as well.

And out there you've got to make a ton of birdies. Like how much better at golf have you gotten since Q School, like actually hitting the golf ball? Or has it been more about everything else the part of the game, putting it together? I think I've gotten a lot more consistent. Right. So I think you'll see a lot of those guys are more raw at that stage and especially coming out of college. You're just kind of learn how to control everything. And the way I describe the difference between Corn Ferry Tour courses and PGA tour courses is,

Let's say, so we got 18 here, dog leg right. If you hit it in the left, you're screwed. You hit it in those bunkers. You're probably going to go into a lip. It's going to be a tough time making four. And if you hit it up the right, you're going in the water. Corn Ferry Tour course, there's probably going to be that water on the right, but there's just going to be rough up here on the left,

maybe a couple bunkers that are mostly flat, and you're going to be able to play and still make three or four. Right. Out here, when you start missing shots, you're struggling to make pars no matter where we're playing pretty much. Yeah, right. And that's kind of how I describe the difference. It's just, let's say the cornferry tour fairway is 40 yards. PGA Tour is going to be 30 or 25.

It's just little differences. Just very small differences. That's interesting. I think that's also why you see a lot of guys struggle when they first get out here is they think they need to play perfect golf. And I think that's why you saw so many guys like Colin and Victor and Matt have so much success early out because I think they realized that. They didn't have to play perfect.

And they just had to fine tune just a couple little things. That's interesting. I remember one of the most interesting things like Max Homer told me one time was that. I think it was before, it might have been before the final round. Riviera where he won this year, but he was telling me that JT texted him, just like, little bit of advice, and he's like, remember, you don't have to play perfect golf to win. And he was like, that's stuck with me so much. It might even been like a few months before that, and then he was thinking about it that week or whatever. But it was so interesting to me, because it is true.

When you tune in, you watch these guys, you know, because they're usually just showing the fucking leaders, obviously. But when you see it, like, you're amazed at how many mistakes are made, yet you could still win the golf tournament. Like, and how good you guys are. It's scraping out. You know, it's like, man, Rory really struggling. You're spraying it all over there. Hey, you should have one under 35 on the front. You're just like, what?

Like, how is that possible? So it is amazing. You're right. Like, in watching, it feels like these guys are perfect, man. Like, we'll stand behind Kisner. We'll stand behind these guys in the range. It feels like you guys don't miss a shot. Yeah.

Then you go watch people play, and it's like, no, they're in the rough. You're in a bunker. Think about that six-man playoff that just happened. That first playoff? Everybody's all over the place, and they all make par. Yeah. Like, it seems like nobody's going to make par. and they all make par.

Two guys hit the green, I think. Right. And they all make par. And one of those guys that missed the green wins the playoff in the next hole. Right. Yeah, that's right. It doesn't have to be perfect.

Here comes an absolute legend coming out of the fairway. Pat Perez. I played the front nine with him today. Did you? How was he out there? He was good. With DJ.

Are you able to, like, keep up with that guy's type of trash talk or do you kind of just like zone him out? Because he's like, he's such a funny, crazy character. Yeah. I mean, we weren't playing a game or anything today.

So there was not much trash talk he was just kind of just talking yeah which is which was fun yeah that's it's entertaining yeah just hearing him talk is entertaining that's a great way to describe it i've never met anyone like him he's nice he's amazing he's the best guy he's so he's got he's like a teddy back yeah he's like such a friendly guy um is that unusual or usual for you to not necessarily be playing like a game it's half and half for me maybe a little bit more i just kind of go out by myself my caddy and just kind of learn the course and play um but like this This week, I played on Monday with my buddy Sam.

We had a game, and then today we just kind of relaxed. You and Sam were pretty tight, right? Yeah. You just play a lot of practice rounds together? Decent amount. We stay together a lot. Yeah. So your travel buddy?

I guess. Yes. And our wives. They're probably more the travel buddy. That's actually the real travel buddy. And what about back home in Dallas? They're like a lot of games. There's a pretty good crew there.

Yeah, we got a good crew in Dallas. So I'll kind of split time. I'll play a bit with the pros. And then I have a group at home that I play with just of regular members at the club I grew up at. Which club's at? Royal Oaks. And then, so we were just, with Wyndham Clark, we were just asking, like, what handicap do you play at when you play against it?

So they play me to a plus five handicap at home, which is a steel. For them? No. For you? Yeah. Yeah, agreed. See, that's what you're sure. Yeah, so my golf course is a little different, though.

Plus eight was too much. I feel like at our course, like, some of the guys I play with are like two and three handicaps, and they're not, you know, two or three handicaps. Yeah, totally. I don't know. I'm not going to insult them when they're not here to defend themselves. I got a hold of a club, though. I feel like people's handicaps be skewed. Yeah.

Because, like, you know your course, and you could, a lot of guys could post pretty consistent something in the mid-7, high 70s, just because they know the course. Yeah, and like our course, I think this rating is like a 75. And so. Murder's people. Handicap-wise. They go down.

Yes, exactly. And I wouldn't consider, like, a scratch golfer to shoot in 75. out there. Yeah, so if you're only given these two or three handicaps, you're only given like seven or eight shots. Yeah, I think. I guess maybe they're four or fives. I think the way they do the new system, it's different to where, like, one of the guys will play, we always have side bets going on.

I think one of them I give 16 shots, another one four, so there may be five or six handicaps, and then they bump it because they're playing the back to ease with me. That makes sense. Do you just, like, what is the worst score you would shoot out there? At Royal Oaks? Yeah. A couple over probably. Really?

Yeah, just, I mean, playing Texas, you get some wind. That's true. We played one of the guys that I play with these low 40s, and he played college golf, but he's like a plus two or three handicapped, and he's beat me one time out there, and I think I shot like three over, and he brings it up every time. Sure, you by them. Remember that one round?

Yeah, well, and then there was a high school kid in our group, too, who tied me. I think I birdied the last to tie him, and I made sure to remind him, I go, Ben, you're never going to beat me. That's so good. What do you do aside from golf? like when you're back home. I know you say you're trying to dial it in right now and get competitive at home, but...

Yeah, I mean, I try and... I think one of the hardest things for me is finding time to rest. And so I like playing other sports. I'll play pickup basketball, ping pong, pickleball, tennis. Just kind of, like, my wife and I'll play board games. We just do a bunch of random stuff. What kind of board games?

What's your favorite board game? We play sequence a lot? Yeah. I fucking love sequence, dude. I love sequences. I don't know if I've ever heard of that. You've got to make two sequences. Yeah, you got to make two...

It's kind of brainless, but there is some strategy. Totally. You got to pay attention. four people. You and your partner are got to be dialed in across the table. Yes. Like, I'm looking over here and you're trying to see you get mad at your partner, Frank. What are you looking at? I play sequence all. I was looking at you because you're clearly into it. Dude, it's a lot of fun. You basically have like red chips and the other team has blue chips and you put, you draw cards and you have six cards. And it's really hard to explain. There's this board with a... I can teach you to you in 30 seconds. You figured out and you know how to play. Okay. And I mean, there's a lot of luck involved, but you can't, like if Frank and our partners, you can't talk to you.

partner about what you're going to plan out there. I play this game. It's all like telekinesis. It's like, love me. Dude, it's great. Yeah, and then you have like two-eyed jacks. You can have a wild or one-eyed jack is chaos. You can take one of their

coins off the board. So they think they're about to get a sequence. You're like, not today, pal. And you take it off. I've gotten crazy playing sequence. Sounds fun. Yeah, it's a good game. It is a fun game. So Frankie, by the way, today he's a little bit on edge because we were chatting with Phil Mickelson, which we

never really done before. And he went up and gave me and Trent a fist bump, and he thanked us for all we do for the game of golf. And we thanked him for thanking us. And then he just didn't fist bump or acknowledge break you the whole time. He didn't even know you were there? Just didn't even make eye contact him. He didn't thank me. I'm sorry.

It's tough, especially the lefty. I'm a lefty. But yeah, we'll get through it. I am a little on edge. The wind. Oh, this fucking thing. But we're getting through it. I can't even get hold of it.

Yeah, we're getting through it. Yeah. It's going to be fun. It's okay. He owes me one. Yeah. So do you think he just didn't know. Yeah. Or you just didn't see you or what? I hope he didn't see me because if he actually tried to ignore me, that would keep me up first.

There's a theory that you were blocked out by Joel Damon. Yeah. He was kind of standing there in between the two of you. It could have happened. We don't know. Or Phil Mickelson hates you. How long have you been reading Barslow? Because you're a New Jersey guy, right? So you've been northeast? So I was born in Jersey, but we moved to Texas when I was five. So I really remember much. I started reading Barsol, maybe freshman, sophomore year of your college. I was never really into social. I just got the app and I would just read articles on the app and just watch some of the videos. Yeah.

It's all I got into the same way. I think that's how I got into it too. Pretty much everybody. I love the old barstool stuff. Like I'll go through some YouTube rabbit holes. Like the hockey challenge, the goalie challenges. Oh, yeah. We just talked about those early.

Yeah. Those are my favorite. I wish you'd keep doing me. He hasn't done them in years. Long time. Yeah. Let's go out on top. The, dude, the best pop.

Who was it, Hayes that lit him up? It was, no, it wasn't Hayes. Well, Hayes did light him. The last one I remember was like Austin Matthews. Awesome Matthews in there. But dude, when Hayes came in, he had me, it's on the video, he had me take the tennis balls and throw him under water to make them just like completely waterlogged balls.

And it ended up like costing him because they were coming in heavier. Hayes was going bar down with these like watered down tennis balls. I love the one where I remember one, it was a longer video where Dave ended up in the net. Benino. Yeah. No, Dave ended up shooting him. Nick Benino. Oh yeah, sorry.

Nick Benino was the goal. Yeah, he was like, it was like 100 shots. Yeah, Nick Benino said, you will not score me on 100 shots. And Dave gets to 93. Bro, Nick Benino had just won, I think, like, two Stanley Cups in a row with, like, the Penguins or whatever. He was on that dynasty team. And so he's coming in after, I remember he said he had this, like, party where all the guys wear these Stanley Cup jackets. This was at the old New York office.

Old New York City. So he's, like, coming in all cocky, and he's like, this NHL guy with, like, basically a master's jacket on. And he's like, you know what, screw this. I'm going to get in net. 93 attempts. Dave hits his chest, goes up, off the ceiling, bounces off his back and goes in. If you see me, I'm on the camera right next to Dave.

I just drop the camera and I celebrate like it's an Islander Stanley Cup. Because it was, you couldn't script a guy shooting 93 pucks and then getting the 94th one in. You can't script that. Amazing. Oh, my God. Especially off the ceiling, the wall. It was amazing. And then he's like, it counts.

House rules. Yeah, of course. We got to get back in the way. It was like raw. videos, man. Yeah, they're so good. And also, I don't understand, like, you always seem to root against him, but I feel like everybody in the office, for some reason you just root against Dave. I don't know what it is because, like, I love Dave. I think he's hilarious, but I watch his videos. And even if I watch the same one over, I'm like, they're going to beat him this time.

It's like, somehow they're going to get him and he can't. I don't understand. I don't understand. Like, it stems from, uh, from fandom. Like, I view him as this, like, loudmouth Boston fan that always, like, when the Cardinals, like the Brett Talks would beat the Cardinals and I'm St. Louis guy. So I'd get rattles. about him, like, always being a home or then. Then it was, like, Bruins and Blues. So you just kind of build up this, like, you just want to see him fucking lose. Yeah.

It's also because he's weird. So rarely in those things that, like, sometimes you just want to see if it's even possible. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you watch those, you watch the videos in with Big Cat. And for no good reason, you know, never made either of the guys, you're always rooting for Big Cat. And he always loses. Settled down.

Yeah, besides Frankie. Besides Frankie. Yeah. No, but I'm with you. It's always like, and you're right. Like, I've always pretty much. It's just rooted against Dave, but I don't even know why. Yeah.

How do you think I'm supposed to coach this guy around this, like, a golf course for this match? That's why I have no idea, because I feel like you're always getting taught by these guys. Yeah. And then now you're, I mean, I guess teaching what you've learned. See, I think I am better at that for being honest. I am a better teacher than executor. Like, I'm able to retain the information. I know how to hit a wedge shot.

I can't do it. I know it has to happen. But you were a great. No, that's, that is 100% true. My coach has had the yips for 50 years. But he knows how to teach you. He can't chip on the green. He literally, we'll have these bets where, like, that pins in the middle of the green.

I'll put him eight feet off the green. I'll say, right, Randy, get it within eight feet. You win 20 bucks. You missed the green. I win 20. And I win more than he wins. Just can teach it, like, amazing. And so.

Yeah, no, I've always felt that way. That's what makes it so frustrating is like I know what to do. And I still physically don't even do it. I'm like, all right, hands forward, feet. Like, oh, wait on the front. Let's put it on the front foot if we want to get high. And I don't do that stuff. and it's in the middle of my fucking stance.

My hands are like this. I'm not opening up the... I don't understand what. Maybe I have something wrong on my brain. Golf is a hard game. And I feel like you've gotten a bunch of different philosophies too. So you go through...

Totally. Yeah. You go through a bunch and one... Too many cooks in the kitchen for you. One that really fucked enough for a long time was in Bryson at PGA championship made me just hit as hard as I could into the line behind the ball.

Remember he just kept drawing a line just go smash this line as hard as you can? Don't pay attention to people. So then, honestly, he puts a ball from me. skull a ball down the fairways down the driving He was mad at you. He was like, what are you doing? I've actually seen that movie. He taught you, he taught you to, like, he said the leading

edge is your friend and to chip into the ground, which is maybe how he chipped, but. Not friendly for me. For someone who has trouble chunking it and not a good way to teach you. The next round I played, I'm like, all right, let me do that. And I remember just taking up these, these ridiculous divvets. Like, my club was getting stuck in the ground. yeah because he literally i've watched the video and i'm like man i cannot believe he's

he's going to chunk every shot oh you did no you absolutely did well man it's been fun yeah i'm glad we finally did this yeah we appreciate it we got now we understand why you like giggle at us when we were them when you walked by them well sure just frankie him he always says weird he smirks at me honestly he smirks at me first that's why i have to smirk back today it wasn't funny about that's where that's the part you yeah you were smirking me the whole time i what that was like that was here come sucking Scottie. It's great.

We got to do a match, by way. We got to come play you. Yeah. I think you can handle us as a for some or what? You guys have won most of those, haven't you? About all of them except for the group ones. We were three against the PGA Tour. We've lost a P.Gi-Toran and her friends.

We played against three women who have all played like professional golf at some level, and then they had this guy dusted on their team as well. We also played like shit. But you were. You played a group of three professional ladies? They're not like necessarily on the L-PG Tour. Yeah, they all played college golf or have played, like, oh, they're going to go with some.

Like, they're good. They're good. Yeah, yeah. And they had a, they had, that's what I'm saying. I feel like you guys would not have a chance in that match. Right, because they had an anchor that would, the guy would hit the ball 300 yards and then place them there.

And all of a sudden, it's like a wedge. Now it's a wedge contest with, like, girls that are just firing darts. But we have beat Kevin Kisner, Joel Damon, and Pat Perez. I've seen the Kevin Kisner video where he walks in the butt on 18. Like such an asshole? Yeah, exactly. I don't know where that came from. Fourth got to hit the put and you walk it in.

It's beautiful. The Perez one was crazy, lipped out on 18 to lose to us. And he wasn't missing the hole all day. He had one of the best lines we've ever had in a video where he goes, he hit a putt, it drains it, and he just goes, God, I almost missed the center of the hole there. It was a good life.

It was so good. God, can you, I almost miss the center of the cup. On 18, he hit it to like seven feet. And Lurcharly got hit it to about five feet. Perez steps up and hits the putt that's going dead center and somehow tails off, yes, and does a 360 lip out. We all were like, oh man, he was rattled. Walked up to his cart.

And we step and we're like refocus, we go. We make it and beat him one up. So we've had two really good matches. Joel just didn't have it that day, and I think he was pretty into the shelters. So we beat him like three and two. We got to do it with you, though. That'd be fun. Yeah, yeah.

We'll bring you down. Royal Oaks. You guys have some fun. I'm sure we can't know if we can play your home course. We'll have a good crowd. Ooh. I mean. All the members out there?

Yeah, our club is kind of funny in which, like, the group in which we play in is like the most watch groups. So if there's nothing going on in the 19th old guys will just come out on the course and just hang out and drink and do whatever. You guys don't mind that even when you're just like hanging out. Yeah, it's cool. That is awesome. We're going to do it. We're going to set that up. Yeah, we're going to take you down to be our fourth kill.

So it's just you guys. for Scramble versus me. Yep. That's right. We're lethal. It's crazy. Somehow it works. You recently broke 100.

I did. Congrats. Thank you. You're decent, right? I'm playing well right now. I'm playing well now. I'm not down to a three. How much golf do you all play?

I play a ton. We think that Riggs played the best string of golf this year than anyone else in the world. His course is end up out. I think that's right. Much better than you. He plays better courses than you do on a consistent basis, which is nuts. So how do you pull this off? What's just being raised?

I'm just me, man. You were in North Carolina all last year, right? Yep. All the last year. 99 days. Straight. You cried on the way. I saw that one.

It was emotional. Bro, just what was that? I do remember. I remember seeing that app like, why is it very, what happened? I was concerned for you when I saw it. You know what was the funny is that whole thing? I care about people, right? I'm sad to me.

I'm an emotional guy, too. I don't blame you. I don't. Dave was funny during that whole side. Oh, yeah. His blog was all time. All time. Dude, there's one stretch where you went, like, whistling straight.

Aaron Hills. It was like Cypress, Pebble, Spyglass, back to Aaron Hills. I agree. Are you just making videos and stuff? It was a really good stretch. A lot of times, yeah. Yeah. But also, like, I travel a ton for the tournament series that we do.

So a lot of times I'm just in different cities. And if I'm going to get a chance to play somewhere I'm in that city, I'm going to take it. You ever get bummed out that you, like, really don't have the time to go play, like, a cabit links or, like, one of, you know, like these resort courses. it? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, guys' trips are fun. Yeah. So just, like, seeing y'all, if y'all go out and play, I think y'all did a trip to Australia or something. Yeah, yeah. Around the President's Cup. I mean, that would be great. It would be so much fun. But, I mean, if I travel 30 weeks a year, the other 22 weeks, I'm, you know, we don't want to be traveling. Oh, right. So, yeah, for sure. Good bummed.

Like, abandoned, like, if you went to abandon with, like, that's crew from Royal Oaks. Oh, yeah, we'd have a great time. Cool courses that, like, you probably just don't want, like, you don't want to go out there and play, even though you'd have the time of your life out there, like you're saying, because of the travel, which sucks. It's a part that we don't think about as fans. I guess fans of golf, we have more access to go do things to play courses. And then it's the only sport that that's like that, right? Like baseball, the best stadiums are in the MLB.

Right. But when you talk about golf, like the fans of the sport are able to go play the best courses, like the coolest courses. It's not like Cyprus. It's sweet. What makes it off. Yeah, Cyprus, they'll never play golf around Cyprus. It would be really difficult for me to get a trip to go play Cyprus.

You've probably done it like eight times now. I can make it easy. All right, man, we appreciate it. It's about time. I'm glad that we were able to set this up. And, yeah, we're rooting for you except when we come down and play it. Yeah, sounds good. Appreciate you guys.

Yeah, man. Thanks for coming on. Thanks, dude. Good luck this week. Yeah, appreciate that. Big topic this week. Trent broke 100. Congratulations to Trent.

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because you chirped him for being a New York Islander. Well, I asked you. if you were a big hockey fan, you said yes. Denver, Colorado, born and raised. Yep, yep. So, big abs fan. Yep. So then I responded, oh, you have our boy there, Devon Teves.

You asked how I know them, New York Islanders. I said, I'm my psychotic, psychotic islanders fan. He responded, well, you have to be psychotic to be an Islander's fan, which I took offense to it. Which is fair, though. It is fair. What was the last time they were good prior to, like, last year? The last three years, they've been really good, back to back. Would they win, though?

Did they win a series yet? Yeah, they've won all the series. All this series except for the big ones. Except for the big one, yeah. They are sneaky. I didn't realize when you said this a few weeks ago that they were the only team that has had the Tampa Bay Lightning have to play an elimination game in the last two years.

Two seasons. Yeah. That's amazing. Honestly, if the Lightning weren't as good as they were, maybe you guys, it might have been a different story. I totally agree. This was our year. But Devon Taves is a good friend of mine,

and I, you know, unfortunately or fortunately, famously wore an outrageous outfit to his wedding. So I became buddies with them out off like from the team and I showed up. You know how hockey guys are. Like I feel like golf guys are just regular outfits. Like you just wear just like polos shorts and hats. But hockey guys are just different free. Is what you just described?

Yeah. Oh, that is what they wear when they play golf. I mean even like off the course. You're just like a regular. I feel like golf guys don't have the craziest style. No, not normally. No. You're kind of stylish guys.

Yeah. I'll branch out a little bit. How do you branch out? Would you take any risks? all the time, but it's sometimes backfires. I mean, I kind of go with the trends. I see what it's going. But do you know it's a risk?

Like when you look at yourself in the mirror before you're out, you're like, all right. Confidence. If it's no. Fashion is all about confidence, for sure. If you rock it, then, I mean, really, you try to look good for the ladies. So if you rock it, they like the confidence and they go, okay, that outfit was terrible, but he's got confidence. So it works out. Well, I got a question about, so first, I wore a turtleneck to this guy's wedding.

Turtleneck? Yeah, I went no tie, no collar. Turtleneck. That's a play. It was a play. I'm like it's a hockey wedding or no socks. How do you go? So that makes no sense.

So you had cold ankles, but a warm neck. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Well, no, I want to ask, like, so if you're into fashion, like with the trends, we at for play, always comment, like, on a guy's outrageous outfit on the golf course. So how much say do you have into your day-to-day outfit Thursday through Sunday? Like, if, you know, Nike comes to you and gives you this ridiculous pattern, are you, like,

no thank you or do you have to wear it? So they only script me like for majors. Okay. So majors I kind of have to go with what, but they give me some leeway. So like, hey, what shirts do you like? What colors you want to wear? So-and-so's wearing this color this day. So you can't wear that that day, but maybe Friday you can wear that.

You know, Nike kind of, I mean, they sometimes have edgy stuff, but it's more of the athletic look. It's not, you know, it's not joggers. It's not like super tight-fitting or very big prints or something. And so Nike can't really, you know, they just aren't as they're very much, they're, you know, they're athletic fit. But I would say like Brooks Kepka occasionally wears horrific. It's insane. Horrific.

Have you ever gotten some of those packages and been like, you ship those off to your boys? Well, I am in contract with them, so I probably cannot be saying. Yeah, that's why I said it. I said it. You know, I think every company has their horrific things that they think of, they think. think on paper maybe it looks good and then we're people are guys people are sent us some stuff that we've been like i could never wear that yeah yeah no for sure and some of the fits can be can be weird like i mean i have gone from large to medium to small to back to medium to small like i've gone

everywhere and i'm like i've never been a small in my life i was never really large and so things can be it's just amazing how sometimes you get weird shipments but you know i they had one line actually that was a lot of stripes and i'm just like but they were like unique stripes and I go that's that's pushing for me. I would have lost confidence on the golf course wouldn't that thing. But it's funny. The nice thing is they have five or six different, you know, varieties of shirts. So, I mean, you have anything you want when I do you think an outfit has ever affected your actual play and get a positive way where you just woke up, you put that on, you wall out that you were like, man, I wore an outfit one time and actually Tony Finan goes,

dang, that's a nice outfit. I'm going to wear that one day. And then I was like, you know, you're like, I'm going loaded. He's a stylish dude. What? Tony's a stylish dude. Yeah, Tony's a stylish dude. Yeah, Tony can, yeah, he just, just is pretty good. He rocks. You know, he does something I like where he'll wear a solid colored hat that's different than any other color in his outfit. Yeah. I kind of like that move, actually. It's kind of a cocky, bold move.

You've done that once, it didn't work. I looked ridiculous. When was that? We were at some, I don't know, we were doing some travel seats. You showed up with just like a yellow hat on, and you had, like, blue shirt, light blue pants. We're like, that just doesn't work. Frankie goes, you look horrible. By the way, did you take that picture of you and a turtleneck off Instagram?

No. Okay. Did you archive? I couldn't find it. I could not find it. No way. Not to, we don't, I wanted to circle back to that very quickly. I didn't find it. Maybe I never put it on Instagram. Wow. Okay. That's how you know. That's how you know. So would Frankie strike you ever just looking at his kind of frail figure as someone that would take risk? Outfit wise? Uh, I kind of just looked at him up and down. No, I actually. Because he does it kind of all the time. He does. Well, the hat, that's a risk. Yeah. That hat's a risk. I love the hat. Do you know what the story behind this hat is? I mean, it has to do something being better than breaking 100.

That's right here. We just did the complete of the video series. It's fresh out. This is like, this is the day. Brand new. That's a martial sports store. Roepap, you know,

breaking 100. Next one will be breaking 90. Yeah, shot of 95. Now we're on to 90. Yeah, so Trent had been playing golf. His whole life, but really the last couple years he started to get a lot more into it

the more we've been playing and whatnot. And he'd never broken 100. He was representative of a lot of the common folk out there who play. Yeah. And he got John Tillerie, who's Ricky Fowler, Kevin Kisner, swing coach, to be his guy. And he went on this mission that, like, fuck you guys making fun of me.

I'm going to break 100. That's his logo, but I think you're right in that. I don't know if you're a rope hat. You have like a changing logo. Yes, that's right. Hopefully it's a changing. Right. It changes hopefully pretty fast, but I don't know how fast it's actually going to change.

So how do you celebrate breaking 100? I mean, you had to do something. I mean, so we had, we played together when it happened, and we smoked a bunch of cigars. We went crazy when it happened. What kind of cigars do you got smoked? Macanudos. Yeah, that's right.

That's the only cigars that we smoke. He jumped on my back. I mean, it was honestly more than like a crazy, like pop champagne bottles. It was a relief. So did you barely break 100 or was it like you? 95. Yeah, so you could have. With 2 8s and 2.7.

We, yeah. I mean, it was, we'd been attempting it for a while and I just needed it to happen. And I just played well that day. And it was, it was nerve-wracking for sure because I can blow up at any moment. Yeah. That's just how it goes. But we got it done. 95.

It was a nice coastline. How nervous, like, did you have, were you nervous in the last tea? I was very nervous. Yeah. Yeah. Did you pull, like, six iron out? No, no, I hit driver. Hit driver.

It's out of bounds, driving range on the left. I do respect that. You kind of, like, teeter on it, too. I mean, I hit hybrid off the team most of the day. I will, I want to come clean about that. But once we were getting going, I hit driver and I felt good about it. Because I actually, most people that, let's say they're trying to break 100 or 90, whatever's, if you just hit four on off every tee, like, you probably could do it.

You just kind of like, that's not the right way. Yeah. You've got to play golf. You got to. There's times that maybe you don't hit it, but. Right. You may be able to, like, do the golf. Do you remember a time when golf was so simple that you were breaking these numbers?

I mean, I know you're only like 27, 28, but like still, you've been probably incredible for the longest time. It's been, yeah, it's been a while. I remember, the one I remember the most was obviously breaking par. And then, like, I remember cert, like, my dad would give me a number. He's like, hey, if you shoot 45 on nine holes today. And I'm like, geez, you know, it's just crazy looking back. Yeah, when you're a kid. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, when did you break far? I was going to say, I don't want to start a trend where we ask all the golfers what age you broke 100 at, because that's going to be a tough look for me. But when did you break par?

Do you remember, like? Yeah, I was, well, on a regulation 18, I was 10 years old. And I played from the women's teas. And I shot 71. And I was just like, I was cloud nine. 10 years old. Yeah. And I was back when you used to like care about your really care about your handicapped.

And it was like, you know, we're not gambling where we're doing the handicaps. where you don't want to be a reverse sandbagger. Like, you wanted to say, hey, I'm a two-handicap. Yeah, like, you were like, oh, I'm a two-handicap. You kind of flashed it out. Totally. So I couldn't wait to go in there and put my score in. I can't remember the last time I put a score in.

But then it was like a big deal. When you play, there's something that's always a point of contention, because we were talking before, you play games, and obviously you're your E-first, I believe, in the FedEx Cup staying, so you're one of the best players in the world. You're trying to find games all the time. When you play against amateurs, local club members, whatever, Or what kind of like, how do you get to your handicap if you're not posting scores all time?

It actually, the tour posts, I think the tour posts are scores because you could go in right now and there's all these scores posted. And I haven't posted to the score. And I don't even know how much. So you do have a like a hand. Yeah. And it's actually, it's not fair because it's like a plus seven something. And no PJ Tour Pro plays to plus seven on the regular. Like, I'm not going to go out every round and shoot seven under.

I don't care. Even if it's like normal day at Whisk Brock where I play, like that just doesn't happen. Right. You know, some days you shoot even one under. Some days you shoot 10 under. And some days you're on, you just constantly shoot. But if you play like against a plus four, like you're going to, are you going to beat them every time? So, I mean, if we play straight up, yeah.

Here's what we do. So then you release a plus five. All right. Keep going. All right. So you play a plus five. But here, I mean, I think so. But here's the thing is, like, when we play, our thing at Whist Rock is every pro is a plus four.

Because there's so many good players at the Rock that, you know, like, if you give a scratch handicap, if I gave him seven shots, I'll get, I'll get wax. Yeah. Because he'll go shoot one or two hundred in a money game. So I have to shoot nine or just to, like, tie him. Right. I mean, that's stupid. That's kind of dumb.

I mean, sure, that'd be great if I shot that. But even then, it's just not. So also you shouldn't be punished reading better at something. That's kind of what we like. Yeah, it is a weird dynamic. So, I think plus four is kind of fair. Now, I will play someone. I'll be a plus seven if we play the same T's and we play stroke play.

Or he can play his respected T's but a stroke play. Match play, it defeats the purpose. They hit one out of play. I make a par and he's just one down. And he gets a stroke later and it's same thing. Yeah, yeah. No, I've always been curious about that because we go back. So Kiz is one of our guys.

We do a lot of stuff with him. We become one of our good buddies. This tournament series that we do the Barstville Classic, he and I are playing together as teammates. And we do, we adjust the whole field. off the lowest handicaps, so nobody has to go, you know, to net three. We don't want any of that bullshit. So there's been a lot of debate about what I'm going to make him play at in the tournament.

I think I'm going to make him play as like a plus eight. But the reason I'm going to do that, A, like he probably is. But B, too, like we do 50% handicaps. He'll go down like a plus four, which I think is fairish. Yeah. You were just saying plus four. Yeah, then that would be for sure. I mean, anywhere of round four to five for us is fair.

Like, now what I will say is if we play good, we will win. Yeah. Like if we play really good, we're going to shoot nine under. That usually doesn't lose in any money game. I hope not. But the thing that is, unfortunately, is if you play just solid and you shoot like five under, you, you, it is a plus seven or eight, like you'll lose almost every time. Yeah. So that's where, that's where I've just, you have to get the game.

When you play with a pro in a money game, you kind of have to get the game right because either we can screw the other guys by it's not enough, or we totally get screwed and we play great and there's nothing you can do. What's your career low? 60. I actually, I had a chance. So the first time I ever tried John Daly's. I had a 50, my first 59 watch.

And next, I didn't really like. Do you go to drink now? Well, yeah. I mean, I was six John Daly's Deep. Had no idea how low I was. I was feeling great. Just going to my next one. And then I dropped like a 20 footer.

And then I'm playing in my first member guests. And I just turned pro. And I didn't know, you know, I didn't know all the, I mean, it was a blast. I'm doing my time. And then these guys all get quiet and they're like whispering. They're like, oh, he needs this to, he needs this to be. And I'm like, what are you guys whispering back over there? Like, oh, nothing, just keep going.

Whatever. Oh, yeah, sure, guys. So I make the putt. And then that gets me to, I think it was 11 under, or 12 under with two to go. And it's par 72. And then they bring it up and they're like, hey, do you know, how low are you right now? I'm like, I don't know. Who cares?

Made a lot of birdies out of. They're like, we think you're 12 under. And then, of course, then I think about it. And then sure enough, I parted the last two, and I was so mad. I was like, I was in the zone. I wouldn't say anything to me. Yeah. I mean, but.

Bold move from them to bring that up. When you get that low, it's just, I mean, there's no better feeling. Have you shot 60 multiple times? That's the one time. 60's my lowest. I've shot 61 a few times once in a tournament. That was, I was unconscious. That was amazing.

So you obviously, you're playing tour course, all the tire, playing the rock. You're playing these nice places. When's last time you played like a legitimate, MUNY or a place that like an average weekend golfer. Actually, you know, honestly for us, we don't do that that often either now. We're kind of assholes too. Like, right of fuck we go. You get snooty.

Because the reason I ask that is because a lot of people always bring up, like, what would a tour pro shoot at my like weekend course that me and my boys go out to because the greens suck, the rough sucks. You get like straggly dog shit lies. Yeah, it'd be tough to make puts. But it's like 6,200 yards. Yeah, but then you drive a lot of greens. So the last time, during quarantine actually, because places weren't allowing guests.

So I was actually going to all the public courses in Arizona to play with my buddies. So like I, you know, I'm playing with Rob or different guys. And I'm like, well, I can't bring you out here. So I played all the local courses in Arizona. So it's probably last time I played like real. But there are also some nice courses. True. Yeah.

True munis. That's true. So it's been a long time since I played a true muni. That's like a good series I would love. to do. Oh, yeah. Bring tour pros out to, again, like the local true muni. Have them tee off from the back t's, whatever it is. Whatever condition the course is in. Don't even tell the staff and just like whatever condition it's usually in on Saturday at 10 a and let's just see what they shoot. Yeah. We should do a little tour. Like, guys should go out and see

who can shoot the lowest score. You got to be paired up with three random guys though. Oh, yeah. Totally. The jeans. Yeah. Just with the pole carts. Yeah. You do like a hidden camera show. You try to at least. Yeah. You get their reaction. I mean, after hole one, it's over. Right. They're going to be like, what's happening. happening. Yeah, you just have a regular bag. You're wearing a jeans too and yeah. Yeah, after one swing to be like, all right, what's going on? Yeah. First whole, like the eyes and hour blue, the one right by my house, like a 430 yard part five. You'd just be

just a flip wedge in for a fucking eagle. Oh, yeah. But you could miss a two-footer because true. Because true. True. Um, so another thing I bring up, Trent Ryan is, um, I would say maybe the most vocal male bachelor analyst. Um, in the country. Wow, I've never had it puts me that way, but it might be true. Do you think that's right? I'm certainly very vocal. Outside of a contestant, like four contestants to do podcasts and shit? What an accomplishment? I actually do think that's an accomplishment. He's got to be number one. It's a thing that I love

unconditionally. We also debate if he's, um, how high on the list he is of most currently famous people from the state of Iowa. It's top three. Well, Ashton Coucher is from there. There's a lot of guys. There's more people than you think. No, it's not. Yeah, because you don't know. Um, Elijah Wood. Okay. Elijah Woods from... He's from Iowa. He's from Cedar Rapids.

Jesus. Wow. Zach Johnson. Zach Johnson, obviously. That's a big one. Anyway, we're getting distracted. I'm learning. Yeah, this is a 10.

I don't want to go too much further down there. There were rumors that you were going to be involved in the Bachelor franchise. Yeah, I mean, potentially. I don't know. It was, I mean, we're all stem from was I played with Chris Harrison in the Pebble Beach pro. Okay. And we played the first day. We're having a good time.

Then we go to the tap room. you know, at Pebble. Oh, yeah. And we're sitting there and we have a couple drinks after. And then he goes, man, you'd be great on the bathroom. I'm like, oh, yeah, whatever. And then he's like, no. Like, that would actually be, he goes, imagine this.

We start out in Ireland with all the ladies. And then we go from Ireland, that golf course to, like, you know, we go down to Augusta. Then we go to Pebble. And then he's, like, going through this whole thing. And he's like, then it comes down to it. And you have to choose between two ladies and you choose your golf clubs. And, you know, he's obviously joking.

You know, he's joking at this point, but then later he was like, well, would you be interested? And I kind of laughed. I'm like, I didn't know what to say. And then as I went on with it, some of my friends were like, well, you have to do it. So then it just led to us playing that a few times. And then he actually had some serious, I had some conversations with him. He was like, would you be interested in doing it? So the only way I'd do it is if I was actually the bachelor.

I wouldn't. You wouldn't go on as a contestant? No. Because I just don't have the time with golf. Sure. And I asked him, I was like, how long is it? He goes, well, we can maybe condense it to, you know, maybe four to six weeks. You know, but I said, well, I'd actually like to win a tournament to where I had a two-year exemption.

So then we could do, then I would be, it would be stressed free. Right. Yeah, then it would be like. These are serious conversations, though. It sounds like you're having with them. It was kind of serious. It was serious, but joking. But at the same time I was thinking about it, I'm like, I mean, if I did that, imagine my gallery.

I mean, it would be. Oh my gosh. When I come back to golf, you'd also be great for golf. Yeah, would be fantastic. And all these, like,

women around the country are just the biggest DJ tour fan. It'd be hilarious. Wow. Trans, I get you. Well, yeah,

because I do love the show, and I didn't realize that the discussions had gotten that serious because you're a young, good-looking guy. You could have easily done. That would be great.

Yeah, and then there was, I mean, I also dated a girl that was then a bachelorette. We kind of were talking, and that kind of sparked some things too. So, you know, then it became like a thing.

Then I did talk with some friends, and then they blew it up. And then it just kind of like everyone, I'd actually have people come up to me. Wives on tour would be like, hey, are you going to be the next bachelor? And I was like, oh, my God, how is this even, how is this a rumor right now? Like, how do people even know about it? Maybe you could still do it. Yeah, I don't know, maybe. You also, you run the wrist, though, I feel like if you do that, there's a, it's not high,

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People wanted him, didn't they? People, yeah, and it ends up like... Again, you have to be an asshole. Right. But also, when you're a contestant at smaller doses, and then when you're the bachelor, people get a lot of you, and sometimes they just get sick. Yeah, yeah, that could be... Yeah, I didn't even think about that.

Who's the guy didn't pick either chick? Oh, man. There was one, like, six seasons ago where the guy just said no to both of them was like, Yeah, like I wasn't, and America hated that guy. Right, I can't remember who, but it's the worst. Yeah, you run the risk of overexposure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure.

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I think top 70 make it. So is it like a weird type of pressure? terms of your season could be over. Is it normal? You just try to play golf? I mean, yes and no. Like, obviously I'd love, I mean, I want to be at the Tour Championship, so that's the goal. Yeah. I just either need four good days or eight solid ones here, you know, this week or the next week. But really, I mean, make it to the playoffs is obviously the first goal in any year to just keep, you know, keep your card. This is, all this is now bonus and you can just go free wheel it. I unfortunately, my game hasn't been as good in the last few weeks, but it's this week. it's been trending in the right direction.

So, I mean, if things get going, you know, be more of like I just want to go try to win a tournament. I want to be in contention more than anything than thinking about it. You know, last time I was here, I was the bubble boy. It was like 1.15 or something, or I forget what I was coming into the week. And then I finished 18th. And I was sitting with Amanda Ballionis, just sweating every putt coming on 18. It's like, well, you're 69th.

Now you're 71. Now you're 70. And that was like most nervous I've been because it was my rookie. year. Can't do anything about it. Yeah, I can't do anything about it. So hopefully I'm not in that situation. Hopefully I go out and kill it.

But if not, you know, you get three, four weeks off and we start the next season. Yeah. Is there any different kind of like scoreboard watching after each round? You know, honestly, I don't really want to think about it. I think, you know, if we get in certain situations coming down the stretch, you know, and we're in a spot where it's like, hey, we need to finish X and we kind of know that, I think, you know, like whole 16th's drivable, a hole out here. with a lot of trouble. It's like, well, maybe we lay up.

See, when Clark pulls seven iron. Yeah. You see me pull seven iron, you know I'm feeling the heat a little bit. Amazing. But, yeah, so who knows? I mean, I'd like to think that I'm just going to go out and play great and try to win a tournament. I'm always curious, too. So you mentioned, you know, like my game has a big game, feel like I'm turning a corner. We saw Cameron Champ who won a few weeks ago, who he's, like, missed a bunch of cuts. Hadn't really had any top-tail, and suddenly he just wins. Yeah.

Do you take confidence kind of stuff like that? When you say, I feel like my game's trending. Is it like something you found in a game back home? Is it just kind of I show up and hope that this is the week that it clicks? Like what is, how do you try to channel what those guys can do sometimes? Yeah, well, I'm still hoping that happens because I'm kind of in that, I'm in that spot right now where Champa is where I've missed a few cuts in a row. And it'd be nice to, you know, have a great week.

But really what happens is kind of in practice. You, it's so weird. It's like, you find the slot, honestly, it's the best way to say is you kind of like, all right, that's the shot that I was exactly trying to hit off this T shot. And then you hit in the green, it's the same thing. And you kind of like feel throughout the week, you know, man, I got a good feeling.

Like if I just do this in my swing, I produce this shot. That's part of it. And then when that is happening, then it goes, all right, now I just need to make puts. And so then that makes it a lot easier. So like I said, yesterday I worked with my coach, Boyd Summer Ways, and we, by the end of the session, like, I hit six drives in a row exactly how I wanted, and then I hit a few three-irons off the tee exactly how I wanted,

and then I finished with some eight-arms, and it was exactly how I wanted, so I was like, all right, that's a step in right direction. That's be nice, yeah. And then we come out today, and we kind of had some, like, some great shots on holes. It wasn't great every hole, but it's like, well, if each day gets better, then hopefully come Thursday, Friday, Saturday, it's dialed in. What is that shot for you? Is it like a cut?

I'm a fader. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I can't even. Yeah, it's so hard for me to see, like, I'll hit draws with short irons. But, like, if I had to set up on a hole to, you know, try to win a tournament and hit a draw, I just, I would feel so uncomfortable. Aiming out to the right is just like no man's land for me. Really? Yeah, it's so weird.

Yeah, and you just feel like you can lose it really easily. Yeah, a lot of times I end up coming out of it. And so then I'm aimed right, and then I hit it right of right. And then it's, you know, Oscar Broffered. Very familiar with that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a tough spot to be in real tough spot.

So, like, the fifth hole here, for example, par four. water all down the left, like trouble right? Are you just trying to like, are you cutting that thing over the water? Starting over the water? I actually was playing with Rory in a practice round today, and we couldn't have hit two different shots. Mine started over the water, cut in the fairway. He started in the right rough and got in the fairway,

and it's like, I mean, he sees it that way? I see it this way. Where the, like, how, you know, you move it out there pretty good. How is Rory, like, bombing it past you? You guys pretty close? Are you farther than Rory? I'm definitely longer than Rory.

Wow. That's a, I know you're moving out. No, Rory, Rory is hands down the longest player, pound for pound, everything out there. Like, he hits, it's un— You just called him short. That's fine. Yeah, it's all right. It's unbelievable how far he hits the ball, and it's so effortless, too.

His swings unreal. I mean, it's just, it's amazing. But honestly, like, we've talked about it, numbers and stuff. We're both, on average, like, 83 to 87, just kind of like on the range, cruising and stuff. And we both have gotten to the 90s and if not more, but you don't really do that on the golf course. Yeah. Yeah, so. Maybe adrenaline.

You notice, like, do you get, do you have different tiers? I think I remember, like, Kevin Nass saying this about, like, practice distances, then, like, even practice round distances, and then Thursday, tournament round distances? And then, like, Sunday and contention distances. Oh, yeah. So we get our yardages every week, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, and, you know, let's say our seven-hour, and, like, this week, our seven-round is about 194, one, roughly around that yardage. So when it comes.

You think you're talking about the wrong eye. No, yeah. So then we get to, let's see. say it covers 198 and it's or 199 it's we're kind of in between clubs it's not even a question my my caddy john will just be like oh it's a seven-h-h-h-hs he's not even like uh it could be seven he's like no it's a seven-hour because he just knows in competition i have an extra three to four yards that's just in general and then you get in like a heightened moment when you're feeling it like at waste management one year it was one to the back left flag it was like 178 or something

and I remember he gave me a wedge and we almost hit it long. I mean, a pitching wedge, which I fly 145. Like you get so jacked up that it doesn't even matter. So he's just like, Jesus, take the wheel? He just tells you? No, no, no, I feel it too. Like a lot of times I'll feel it. I have this vision of you just standing there with your arms and your hips.

And he's doing all the calculations. He just hands you a golf club. Doesn't even tell you what it is. Love it. No, there's just certain times when like, a lot of times I'm the one pulling the club. But there's certain times, He knows I'm, like, indecisive, and I don't really know.

And I'm like, I could be this. Or he can kind of feel it. I guess I give off the energy. It's not feeling right. Then he'll come in with confidence. He goes, it's his club. And then a lot of times he goes, if it's not, it's on me. And then it works.

And then he goes, I know it was good. You know, he plays it off. I know it was good. That's crazy, man. The balls that it takes. Yeah. It's cool because caddies, you know, I mean, the common stereotype, especially if you're not much of a golfer.

They're like, well, they get paid 10% to carry a bag around. It's like, no, that guy's doing telling you. There's a lot. There's a lot. I mean, if he makes a bad call, like, not I'm not going to say you'd get fired, but like there are situations where he makes a bad call that costs you winning a tournament, which is obviously tons of money, points, whatever it is. And that's a hard conversation to have with him because you want, you're so heated in the moment. Totally.

And, you know, we've had those. Like he said, I'm walking on. I'm quitting. And, you know, and then I said, fine, I don't care. You know. And then afterwards they're like, hey, I'm sorry. And then we go to dinner. Love you.

Yeah. Hug it out. Much on the line that it has to get heated, right? Yeah, for sure. There's times where, like, you know, if I started acting like a bitch, he's like, hey, you're literally being a bitch right now. Like, get your shit together. And then there's other times when he gives me a bad number and I get on him.

And, you know, he doesn't handle it well or he knows and he gets super down to himself. And I'm like, well, you've made a bad decision. And now you're down to yourself. Like, I can't have you down because now I'm feeling down. And now we're playing, you know. Yeah. It's a marriage, man. Totally.

So interesting. Yeah, it really is. So you put a lot of, you put, like, you just listen to what he says a lot of the time. Will you just go with the number? Or do you, because I know some guys will be, like, at the end of the day, I'm the one hitting the shot. Right. So then whatever number they give you, if you hit the wrong one, like, you should have known it was the wrong number. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I walk off a lot of, I started, I've got, I've done a lot of things. And I don't know if it's superstit. It's not really superstition, but it kind of is more of, yeah. That's what they all said. We've been hearing that answer for a year and a half years. Striped in the fairway he hits with his left foot. Not a superstition, but it works. No, but I only put my left shock on first.

My right shock. Right. But I, for a while, like when John, when we first got out here, I wasn't carrying yards because I was like, you know what? I'm just going to like, I just want to play golf. I don't want to think about it. I don't want to get too into the numbers. So I just trusted John.

And there was a few times where there were some bad numbers. And he would admit it. He's like, yeah, my bad. It was a bad number or whatever. And then I kind of transitioned to where I was like. like, you know what, I want to take a little more control because it got to where maybe I was relying on him too much. So now I'm doing the yardages and then I kind of get a feel for, all right, you know what, this is to this number. And, you know, we do it together.

But then I, like, ultimately now I choose the clubs. But I've gone through different ways. We're like, you know, if I, shoot, if I forget a yardage book one day and we shoot six under, it's like, well, no yards book tomorrow. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's hilarious. It's windy out here right now. How much when it comes to that, you know, those numbers.

Are you relying on him for wind? Do you guys throwing grass up in there? You're looking at flags around. You're doing everything you can. What's like, how do you kind of figure out how to dial it in with wind? Yeah. So it's so funny. John grew up in California,

and I think he's used to just obviously perfect weather all the time. And so he throws up grass. And I think throwing up grass is just, unless you're in a wide open spot where you know it's prevailing wind, he throws up grass and I always go, I don't care what the grass is doing. And there's guys, I think cooters. You guys are at Marry.

Are you trying that grass fucking chicken? Oh, you're doing that grass thing again? It's not going to work. Which times I tell you that, John? Yeah. But there's certain guys that honestly just don't even look in grass. And I'm one of them. So if it says all day at South, or like we get on the first hole or the range, like,

hey, every shot's coming in at South, Southeast. I will, I stick by that. Because especially you play a treeline course, like a really tough one is Hilton Head. It's like a caddy's nightmare. And he'll throw up. grass and it's going this way but I go no prevailing winds this way and he's like well it just went this way I go I don't care I'm playing the prevailing wind and so we disagree on on on wind a lot but when it comes down to it we will decide I'm sorry you yeah you did not know what you were getting

into it's like I got something I want to say about grass you're going to message me and be like you bring that fucking wind up one more time price the situation yeah but it's at the other day like I know it's me if if I flush one and I hit exactly how I want and it comes up 10 yards short or flies a green, he'll own it. But if I hit it, if I know like I miss hit it or we both thought it was this club and it's a bad, then I own it. I go, hey, you know what? That's on me. So, I mean, at the end of the day, we have a great relationship and we own everything. There's just very small instances where we get a little. Yeah, but you also need to be honest with each other. Yeah, that's just like how any good relationship. You're uncomfortable. It never

worked. Yeah. All right, man. Well, look, we appreciate the time. Yeah. Good luck out there this week. this course. This place. The venue's awesome, isn't it? Yeah, it's so unbelievable. We got Lady Liberty right behind us. We do. Sunny afternoon. So, yeah, we, again, we appreciate the time. Play well. You know, hope you're playing for the next three weeks. Yeah, we do.

Do you have any plans in New York City when you come to the Big Apple? I'm a huge foodie, so I'm trying to hit a lot of good spots. Huge food, go into the city, obviously, and you get pizza. Oh, yeah. So pretty much just be hanging out in West Village and meat packing district, basically, the whole, every night. Danino is Italian in the city is one of my favorite. Where's that one? It's in West Village.

It's on McDougal Street. And it's very good. Dave gave it, I believe, 9.1 pizza. He was in a hammock, but he gave it like none. It's a little skewed of a number. Yeah, because all that actually is. So he's rating those. Does he rate everything now?

You know, he's done almost everything in Manhattan, right? 1,300 reviews. So, yeah. Really? Oh, yeah. John's of Bleaker's his favorite. Yeah. Which is right down there, too.

So pizza. Yeah. It's also worth. It's worth it. You gotta go in and you can't, like, there's no slices. You got sit down, old wooden tables and booths. Nice saucy. How good of a reviewer is he, though?

Because obviously, food's all subjective. But, like, when you go to a place, you're like, this is. I am, I do them with them up until we started doing this. Yeah, but when people go there, they go or they say it to please you. It's the Bible now. It's the pizza Bible. I would say it's pretty bad. Well, I know it is, but I, you know.

They're legit. I think he's really good. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to pizza. He declared this area in New Haven, the pizza capital of the world, and it's true. There's three streets, three places on one street. Sally's, Frank Pepe, his mom. Sally's is unbelievable. That's his number one.

So, right. So the ones that he likes people like. Right. And like it ends up being the famous places. But like there's a reason why they're so famous old and like since the 1930s. Yeah, yeah. We love like good stories like that where like there's just like one guy in the back with like flour all over his body. Yeah.

And he's just like cranking out pizzas. Like there was this place in. jersey um oh my god i can't believe i'm gonna forget it where he's like i want the fucking guinea shit and it's just the all-time guy who lives in the pizzeria he has a room right next to it i don't know how i'm forgetting that place but does that affect your rating done enough a hundred percent it has to one hundred percent has to santillos al santillo shout out assantillo like you can't see that guy and then so i think actually dave gave it a review and then went back in and met him so it was like kind of like yeah but yeah man

It's, uh, the city's got some really good spots. Yeah. I actually haven't, it's the one city I haven't spent much time in. So it's, it's, that I made it like my mission that this, other than my 7 a.m. tea time. It's important. Pretty much every night I'm going to go out there and, you know, and just go to a new restaurant and try it out. That's cool. You're on the ferry?

You're doing the ferry back and forth? Uh, I'll probably just Uber, but yeah, I mean, I'll do everything, whatever. All right. All right. Talk to Morakaa about, um, wearing a, like a tuxer or something. suit on his way over here. I think you guys should start sprucing up your outfits on your way to the golf case. I would love, you know how sick that'd be like the NFL, like guys. I don't know why you don't do it. Next news suit. Well, you're a fashion guy. You can start

that. Dude, that's the only reason I brought that up because I don't want to start doing this with all the guys, but the fashion guys should have like a little group that you guys all show up and just like dressed at the fucking nine. Yeah, and then have like your sick duffel bag that actually has your golf clothes in and you just rock. Yeah. Yeah. Like, imagine a golf outfit from the car. What? Why do you have to wear your golf like in the car? I don't know. I mean, I guess it's just like, you don't wear your baseball uniform. The only thing that's no one's going to see, like you kind of need a crew there. Let's make a crew. We'll start

doing it. We'll start out. We'll have people. Yeah. We'll get our phones out. No one like videos, that stuff is because you guys are wearing the same thing you're wearing on the first tee. If you guys start to wear things from the parking lot to the first tee, it becomes a thing. This might be our trademark. Let's do it. We'll say, we'll be telling you do it and nobody's there to film it.

Yeah, and then there was like, why is one in dress like well, it looks great. They start like, making funny in the locker. I was the wedding dude. Yeah. I think. I think it's a great idea. Warcala doesn't do it this week because I said do it at Liberty. I said he said he was going to take the ferry over. I'm like, if you wear a tucks on the way from New York City to Liberty, the place will go crazy.

Yeah. I actually have a buddy that does like Christian McCaffrey's suits and everything. And it would just be awesome to have a different suit every time or just look dressed in nice. We do that's a calm. But think about like the shit that went down when Tiger just like wars hat backwards in those ridiculous glasses. The internet went nuts just because he did so thousand. But you know what I'm just thinking about. my mind. Like, imagine you're just in Moline, Illinois, or Iowa, Illinois, or whatever, for the

John Deere. And I'm just in the middle of nowhere, dressed like, you know, an absolute 10. Did you put, before this, I love it, because that's my home, that's my home country. What a waste of a golf tournament. He just brought that up. The whole golf world knows the tournament sucks. John Deer's a joke. I want to see your guys his text messages. If you guys texted him to say, you were like shit on the John Deer during this podcast. He comes dressed out like a tractor. Honestly, that I didn't even know. I was just, No idea. The whole golf world, no, you think of been making this up?

I'm going to storm off of this interview. I'm going to storm out of here. But the fashion thing, I think, is a really good idea. Yeah, that's actually a great idea. I mean, it might cost a lot of money, so. You have suits, though. You can start. Yeah, I only have a couple, but I need to, like, actually have six.

I kind of more than a couple. Six? Yeah, I don't know why. I kind of went, you sometimes go. I bought three in, like, one day, and I go, when am I going to wear three suits? But I, you know, I look at them and go, man. Now do you find reasons to wear? Do you find reasons to wear them?

Sometimes. I mean, sometimes I'll dress like overly nice and then it's like, why you dress so nice? I go, well, it's a suit that I bought. There's a lot of money and I kind of want to wear it. It's course I dress. Unreal. All right, well, we're going to try to start that.

That's going to be our trend. You guys never mess up these golf shots. Like, Matthew Fitzpatrick just like hit one like basic. Like if he just, is that Fitzpatrick? I think that's Fitzpatrick. I think so, yeah. He just like, if he just pulls one like a normal human being, we're dead. You know, I've been in some like, you get so trusted.

It's like, man, this guy shanks. It's like, you can. I was saying a jip before. We were staying in front of Phil And like, if he just messes up his job Like people mess up all the time I mess up every day If you just like mess up, you kill someone

The funniest, I mean honestly, it is a It goes through your mind when you, you know, obviously hit it way right or way left And you're in the trees And they make the tunnel with all the people You're like, I mean this is eight I have 10 feet basically A tunnel of human beings

A tunnel of human beings And I've, sure, I've shanked them in my life I've And that could happen. The reason we're in this situation is because I just hit it. It's not like I just striped it right down by the thing. It's happening. The tunnel of humans isn't in the middle of the federal.

And the best thing is they all turn like this and they're like, watch you get in the way like you. You're like to lose the tongue. Oh, man. A fucking butterfly goes in your eye or something. 100% you foot slips and someone dies. Go. I mean, it's very much. That is Maddie Fis.

What was Euro? You have any back and force of Fitz? I mean, not really. I think if I said something, you'd be like, who the hell is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I won't say I could beat him up. He's tiny. I mean, I wish it was someone I knew. He could chirp him, but.

Yeah. I don't think Fitz is necessarily a fashion icon. No, he's not. No, I love the kid. Yeah. He started wearing, I mean, it's like stereotypical, but like those, like, crazy, just like old schooling. There's really not that many fashion guys out here.

I mean, there's, the Europeans all, maybe excluding him. But most Europeans dress, I mean, we, we go to a nice dinner at a turn. tournament or like there's some sort of gala or whatever it is. It's just very funny. You see your southern guys that wear their classic southern outfit. Then you got your regular American. The jacket's too big. It just doesn't fit right.

And then you have the Europeans and everything's just tailored perfect. And you're like, man. You guys look pretty good. Yeah, I could see him like a night on the town looking good. Yeah. But like in his golf clothes. One guy I think with like amazing, especially on the golf course is Adam Scott. And he's on such a cold streak of looking good on the golf course.

Outfits have not been. Good. What's the company that he read? Uniclo. Uniclo? He just wears these like different shades of brown. Olive on olive on. So, should we, I'm playing with him this week. Should I? Tell him that. Yeah, you're up. Dude, you're out. Hey, your outfits are seven today.

Like, you should be hot. It's always wanted to be hot again. He is hot. But he is just to wear baggy brown outfits. It looks like a fucking UPS driver. Damn. Remember that? Remember that? I remember. Yeah, he did. I remember. Different shades of brown. Well, and then he's wearing those, those pleaded, massive. I mean, what are you back in the 90s?

It was like, yeah. Tiger Circa 2000. Maybe say something too, if you want. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's kind of my elder. Yeah. What's the second tee? What do you wear that?

Yeah. So what do you think about this suit idea? Get back to us on it. Yeah, I will. I think it would be great. You know, I'll try at one event. I'll probably get a lot of, I get a lot of shit, but then it'll be like, you know?

Like when you show up Sunday and you're in the final group or second of last group. Because their cameras are looking for you. Are you kidding? I mean, if I do that, everyone's hot. I mean, they literally have no chance. They'll go, wow. You have to remember that you. you will go down as either the cockiest guy of all the time or the biggest legend.

There's like no, there's no going back. Because you go shoot 85 and it's great because it's like, well, this guy showed up great, but he shot 85. And if you go shoot 65, they're like, this guy's,

I mean, his whole hair gel to the max, just tight outfit. Like, wow. This fucking briefcase. Wow. Watch,

different watches. You put your track man in a briefcase. Like just a couple T's in like in leather. Like everything's so like I'm here for work. God, I'd have like a pocket scarf, you know? Yeah.

Oh, And then sometimes, like, Bolo Ty. I mean, we can make, too. Put your golf glove as like the pocket square. Yeah. We could do. This guy's here for business. Yeah.

That would be good. This is not a fun day. This is a business. Or you, like, you theme it with the city. So here it just be like business working, man, briefcase, you know. But then you go to like L.A. and it's like a different vibe. Iowa, you wear a corn suit.

Yeah. A tractor. He dresses. He wears overalls with no, nothing underneath. So it's just. It's just. It's just. It's just.

I like the theme of the city, though. That's a good. Like, you, You're clearly into it, so I think you're a good guy to hold this mantle. You're a young dude. You're like up and coming. Let's let's get a brand. I know, I think so.

Let's get a brand, man. Your PhD. You're like, cool. Yeah, I think so. By the way, have you ever gotten to you like, looked like Justin? Yeah, my God. I mean, just looking at you, I'm like, geez, I'm talking to JT. Yeah, I've gotten that.

How do you feel about it? I like it? Yeah. You don't, that didn't sound like you. I mean, I don't think you love looking like me either. I think it's bad for both of them. I'm like, I don't even say manners. Like, do you watch him or does he watch you?

Maybe. Is it something? Probably a little bit of both again. We used to be a little rocky in the beginning of our relationship, and now I think we're better. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

That's right. What made it rocky? I don't know the history. I hated when he would write, because he's a huge Alabama fan, and he would say, it's game day, comma, you guys. He would always tweet that every Saturday. And it used to drive me fucking nuts. The comma.

The comma. He was just, like, grammatically correct. And it felt very like. Especially from, you know, Kentucky boys, and Alabama. I don't know. Like, what are you doing? So I would always get kind of after him on that. Turns out there was a good backstory.

Turns out there's a great backstory. It turns out he's like one of the coolest guys ever. It's been a couple years. Well, actually, I want to hear this backstory. What is? It was like the Bama fan. Right? There's like a really...

Jake is Alabama guy. Okay. Okay. Okay. So it was more like... It wasn't as dushy as I thought. Oh, okay. So it was more like...

It wasn't as duchy as I thought. It was like he was just doing it to his boys. It's almost like an inside joke to Bama fans that knew him. But that was years ago. We haven't had him on in a while, but we have to get JT. Beck on. But anyways. Yeah. Thank you.

Yeah, boys. Appreciate it. Thank you. Good luck this week. Good luck with the fashion trends you're going to sell. Yeah, I think we might try it. And we'll be rooting for you. Yeah, sounds good boys.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.