Fore Play - Scramble Is Back, and Kyle Westmoreland Joins

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

The crew is live from Boston again. Kyle Westmoreland calls in from the Fortinet Championship (01:21:04) to talk about his journey from the Air Force to the PGA Tour, playing golf while in service, how the new Tour changes affect him, and more. Before, we talk about seeing Roger Goodell at the Masters, whether the majors should ban LIV players, the plethora of young talent in golf, and preview a couple intense Fore Man Scrambles coming up.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Do you think, like, Kyle, Lesmoreland, of the U.S. Air Force Academy is the least likely guy to go to live in the world? I got to be up there pretty high. Just a non-starter for you. Don't even come and ask me. Forklay, presented by Barstool Sports. We are back.

We have a very special guest today. Kyle Westmoreland who just graduated, got his PGA tour card, and he is the first graduate from Air Force Academy ever to earn his PGA tour card. So we chatted with him for about 30 minutes. He's making his, you know, season debut out in Napa on the PGA tour. He's excited. He did five years of service, Air Force, the whole deal. So we get into all of it, as you can imagine, great guy, great American, great guests. So that's coming up on the back end of the show.

A little administrative reminder. we have Thursday night, Dundonald. We're going to put it out before football. So seven-ish, I think we're doing, right? You got lucky, Roger Goodell. Roger. You got lucky that we decided to bring it back. Your viewership would have been cut by 75.

I saw Goodell in Colorado at a ski resort. Tom in the flesh. Yeah, he's pretty tall. He's a big dude. I've heard. I've never seen him. Yeah, like one of those big goose, Canada goose, basically. You know, ski kind of ski snow jackets

with the fur. Furn. Fooke with the fur. He, um, if you were to make, if you were like making an NFL movie, he is the perfect commissioner type cast. We saw him at Augusta a couple times. I think he's there during the Masters.

He's there during the messrs. He's there during the messrs. We were talking to someone. I don't think it was Kisner. We were right by the clubhouse. Someone brought out drinks for us from the clubhouse. Was it my, was it Kevin Hopkins?

It was Hopkins. And then we were also talking to a place. player. We were. Stu Hoggstad? I remember, I think it was Stu and I remember Colt Nost was there. Colt Nost was there.

Yeah, the penguin. And I was saying, like, I was telling him to be ready to film me in case I have to do because I've always had this idea that I'm going to go up to Roger Goodell, one of these things and like go and shake his hands. See, the Roger Goodell or Hendrik Lunquist.

I'm going to go and shake their hand, then I'm going to give them the slow. Swipe the head back. Right. And just crush them. Just no thanks. And say no thanks. and you have to have it on video

you have to have it on video he would go crazy for that he would go crazy for it and I've like I've tried to do it and I knew that if I did it at August we'd be banned forever but I think it's worth it tough scenario to be right outside the clubhouse

at Augusta he's in a green jacket we're lucky to be in the state of Georgia barely and you're gonna you would have done it I remember you talking to me about it being like I have to have this whole thing but like this is this is not the spot I thought it would happen and I thought like I pussyed out

I just never got the chance he never came up his he never turned his back and I didn't want to like scream Hey Roger that would be even better. Do you think you would have done it? Yes. No way. They would have been like get the fuck out. I would and I will too. I'll do it. You get kicked out of Augusta for punk and a member will you get kicked out for that? Oh yeah.

Like it would draw the laughs that you expect. How fucking soft is that guy? Putting out the video in real trouble big time. You don't care in real time. Who cares? The video is what is what it's for. Yeah. Video would be all time. It's true. I would have to film it too. I would have to film it too. Too slow. Oh man. Come on, man, that's bar still right there. You'll have a chance. I don't want to go in rogue and like with the, I'm just saying if the opportunity presents itself, that's always been my plan.

Maybe I'm now giving out my cards. You're not a punkster. You're not going out looking for this. Going there trying to recap. If it finds you, this is how you're going to react. I don't want to do that. Never do that. I'm just saying if the opportunity presents itself, I will too slow him and say no

thanks. Sounds like he had a pretty good opportunity to Augusta. I did have a good opportunity. But I remember I was so in the moment that I was like, Colt, if this happens you have to he's like I'm not fucking doing any of that shit he's like I'm not filming you at all he's like I'm on the other side of the ropes I'm drinking these what were those

things called? Oh. The magnolias Might have been it. It might have been it. They might have been like frozen magnolias or some shit like that. Oh my God. They were really good. Really good. The under the tree hangouts out of Gus that's about it's pretty close to golf heaven. It's special. You feel lucky to be there. There's little fucking petals like slowly falling down

from the tree. Riggs do you remember you're not going to remember this. Do you remember who Who did we see hanging out right under the tree near the clubhouse? You remember who was? It was. Oh, wait, hold on. Was it Tom Rinaldi? Yes.

It was Tom Rinaldi. We just watched Tom Rinaldi alone by himself, just stand with his suit jacket over his shoulder, just stand under a tree at Augusta and just take in the moment. It was a video. He was making a video essay in his head. Right. He wasn't, there wasn't, the magnolias are blooming. Right, he was trying to think of a line probably, but he was just, it was so Tom

Rinaldi that he was just hanging out under a tree at Augusta and there was nobody around him. And he was just like, this is the spot. That place is incredible. It was still one of the first times of my life, we could genuinely see on all of this person that he was just a, he was in a, I'm taking in all of this right now phase. And he wasn't trying to accomplish anything. Nope. He wasn't trying to be seen.

He wasn't trying to talk to anyone. he just was like he had the jacket slung back he might have been hoping somebody was going to take a picture or something but he had the jacket slung and he just was like being one with the moment of augustin national and we were witnessing the whole thing like that's top fucking roos grabbed his feet and he was just going to become the next tree it really is one of the way places in the world nowadays where self-reflection can happen because normally it's just like if i'm bored i'm just going to look at my phone tom rinaldi was like i got no phone i got no cameras i'm just going to stand under this tree that place is so so crazy It's so cool too because it's one of those places where you know that the people that you're standing around are really important in some walk of life. And the tour players know that too.

And so the tour players are like interested in talking to people. Right. A lot of times like at tournaments they finish and they kind of put their head in their phone like you mentioned and just walk away. They stop and talk because they, it's like I might be able to, you know, an investment opportunity or I might want to go on his private jet to some vacation home. So players are hanging out. The patrons are hanging, you know, kind of watching. It's a good place. Augusta was the first place I saw Bill Simmons in person.

Okay. It was very odd. Yeah. He was with his dad. Small, right? He was taller than I thought he was going to be. Okay. But it was him and his dad, and they walked right past us.

We were walking towards the part three contest. And I just recognized the face. And it was one of those moments where you're like, I know I know who that person is. And it's going to take me two seconds to place it. And then as you went by, I was like, that's Bill Simmons. Yeah. It's pretty wild. One of the best people I've met at a golf tournament was Chris Mad Dogg Rousseau at the PGA championship in Beth.

Dude, I was with you. Yeah, how cool was that? We talked for like 10 minutes on the outset, like at the end of, at the range. We were at the chipping range. We were near the bunkers. Yeah. So I don't have as much of a history with him because I didn't grow up in the New York area. I know him and I know him and Francesa were like gods and that was like, Mike and the Mad Dog.

My dad would run out into the car and listen to them start their day, like before school. We would actually sit in the car and just listen to Mike and the Mad Dog. That's why Simmons was so interesting at Augusta because I was like, I've been reading that guy forever. How do you feel about the mad dog or Russo going national? Because he's like all over ESPN now. He's no longer like a New York away. Is he Stephen A Smith's new foil? Yeah.

Yeah. I still like his personality. I like his stick. I think it's hilarious. I think he's actually great for Stephen A. I think the way that they're like, he's gotten viral a couple of times, a lot of time.

And like Stephen A actually cracks for the first time in his life. Stephen A makes me laugh out of every single clip I see from him. I laugh out of it. I think it's a really good litmus. He's phenomenal. If you don't like Stephen A. Smith, like you got issues.

You're taking things. You're taking things way too seriously. The best is his poise to deliver. Like when he, when someone else says something and he takes that just extra moment to be like, all right, everyone. I hope you're ready for the incident.

You know what you remember? I was talking to JJ Redick about this when we golf with him. And he's been with Jay. He's on that first. Yeah. And he's like, he is a showman. Like he turns it on.

Of course. Like it's not like he's like that all the time. It's like when the lights go on. It's a performance. It's a performance. It's an actual performance. That's how good he is. That's what people don't get with like, what you're saying, Danny.

People who are like, his take sucks and he's the worst. It's like, you don't get it. You don't get it. He's like actually saying things that are going to get you mad. And he's like, it's all, it's all calculated. Be like, if you went to a play, you're like, I can't believe that character's advantage point. Like, what a dick and he murdered that other guy. He'd be like, well, I mean, it really is a character.

It's a play. It's all pro wrestling. All of it is pro wrestling. Dude, Stephen A. Smith walks out in a cowboy hat and is like going crazy with Like the little Wayne chain. Yes, dude. It's all performing. It's like, now let me tell you guys.

And if it wasn't that, it'd just be a regular guy talking sports. You know what I mean? Yeah. He's Stephen A because of that. And dude, how about when he did a couple weeks ago when he teased that he was going to have his take the next day? Oh, yeah. The best was when he threatened Kevin Durant. What do you say?

Well, Kevin Durant came at him and said something. He was like, you don't want to make an enemy out of me. It's a great clip. I'm Stephen A. Smith. It's a great clip. But yeah, it's a performance. It is the right test. It's like if you don't find Stephen A amazing, then I,

you weren't out of the same way, when it comes to just the internet and humor and TV. It's actually interesting that you talk to JJ Redick about that because he is nowadays one of the few guys who's genuine. He like has genuine takes and feelings and will chop guys down who give like the tree topping hot takes. He got into it with Russo pretty aggressively about like, I don't know, it's like a shut up and dribble type stuff. It was.

Yeah. So, but yeah, there's like two sides of it. You can either be Stephen A and you can be pro wrestling and you can be outlandish or you can be J.J. Reddick who's like, no, this is what's actually happening. It's an interesting dynamic. I interned at ESPN one summer when I was in college. And I remember seeing him in the cafeteria and I was super, super stars straight. Yeah.

And he was tall, right? He was very tall. He played college basketball. He's like 6.3 or 6.4. Oh, wow. And he was just funneling gummy bears into his mouth. There was like a little in the, in the little. In the little, it's not a little, but in the.

the cafeteria there was like a little candy station and there was you know one of those jars that you pull the thing and there's like a funnel and he was just funneling them into his mouth phenomenal it was amazing so good god i love him so much what years were you uh did you interned to usby yeah it was the summer of 2016 okay yeah just trying to think we lived in uh like a junior college it was okay it was okay okay so sullington connecticut connecticut not my favorite place sling television has something for everyone all your favorite shows and your favorite channels all right at your fingertips, what you watch is up to you. It really just depends on what kind of mood you're in.

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Sling the TV you love for a price you'll love. Try us today. Masters, you've been credentialed. How many years? Uh, four. Do you think you burn that bridge? I really hope not. Okay.

I don't think so. I mean, they know me. I know them. They had good, good out there. There's obviously someone who knows what's going on. You know what I mean? You know how media works? Right.

I'm definitely going to apply. I want to be there. I want to do serious work. I think they're going to play ball, right? I shouldn't have said burn bridge because we don't, we don't have any sort of relationship with that. Yeah. As far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, and at the burn bridge, like, do you feel like you've entered an island of which there's not a bridge to get off of. It's possible. It's definitely possible. is one of the things I thought about it was like, am I still going to get to the Masters? But I think you will. I think I will.

I think I will. I still go to the Masters either way. Yeah. I just think that they know that you might just be what I'm there to do. Like I'm not going to shoot video. I'm going to write articles like I've done the last couple times. We got, we got fucking lost in the,

I guess. Yeah, how did you guys? What was the deal with that? You guys, someone like had tickets for you guys? Because you weren't there in a media house, right? Right? Kids got us in?

Kids got us tickets for Wednesday. We had badges. We, uh, yeah, we don't, We didn't apply for credentials, nor did we get, you know, we haven't really. Frankie had a call with Augusta one time. It went well until the last five minutes.

What you asked for something? No, that's a really good story. The whole call we just had. What year was this? This was like two years or years ago. The whole call we just had was great, but what about all the times you guys just never follow the rules and all this merchandise that you guys just rip off onto all of us? And we were just like, whoa.

She flipped it on the whole head. Dude, and we, I kind of BS my way through it pretty nicely. And then she goes, I want you to. take a look at the latest item that you guys put up. The one that says aim in corner on it. The aim and corner bet that we did just let me know if you

think that that that didn't you know violate our their. They're not you know what? This next year might be our least likely year to be allowed in because they did not like the video we put out. I don't think they like that at all. I did put it. I will tell you that that video

made its way around the press room. Of course it did. And everyone was like how the fuck did they do this? We just put out a video of our day at Augusta, and it was an amazing video. Which is not the only one on the internet. No, it's not the only one. You can have a digital camera during practice. You can do video?

Yeah. Did we have a digital camera? Did we monetize that video? Thank you. We looked it up before. Yeah. What's on? Do we monetize that video?

We had no ad on it. We didn't do any ads there. No. We didn't do any ads. If YouTube monetized it, take that up with YouTube. You're going to ban YouTube? We'll give that back. Can you do that?

Augusta could probably de-flap, D-platform YouTube in a second. I looked, we looked at the regulations, which are like you as a patron, which we were a patrons, you are allowed to bring a digital camera on film and record stuff. So that was like we put it on our personal, put it on our like channel. Right.

Like it's just the personal video of me and Frankie out of the, at the way. Yeah, I don't get why that is an issue because we didn't show any golf. And it's not like. Well, it's still up, isn't it? Yeah. So then it's not that big. Another like, like someone.

They didn't demand we take it down. I think they just, they just floated their general sentiment that was negative about it. I could see another media member Some of them being like I'm not allowed to take video How come I can't do it and they can But like for us

Like people just want Like we're just showing our day there It's a very specific to us video It's not something that like We're taking away from another media member That they could have done We didn't do any They just wanted to see us there

What do they say in the press room about us? They're like I like to tell other people's stories Yeah We like to have the camera turn the other way I love that shit Yeah that's what I've gotten a lot Oh you like to turn the camera We like to tell other people.

That's why Jeff Shackofford's site is called Jeff Shackofford.com. They're stuck in their own cocks and they don't want that on fucking film. I did not say that. Sorry. For the record. That was Frankie. Who's sucking their own cocks?

I said they're all sucking their own dicks on the other side of the camera. That's why they turned it out. They want it turned out to the public. I hope you get credentialed. And if they're like, hey, we're going to give you three extras. Like, don't turn those down. I think you should be credentialing.

I'm definitely going to send an email. I'm different than what we do. Yeah. You can be mean to, throw us under the bus if you want. We're like, I don't, I disavow everything they've done. I'm actually here. Since I've joined, there's been zero, like, they haven't brought in any rules.

Perfect since I got there and they're going to be perfect. We have been there. Weekly, you should just publish things that you disagree with us on. Right. On any level. You can even be like, I am a double agent. Say, listen, this is what's actually happening. Yeah, I'm a mole.

I'm here to keep them in line. You know how good that be for ratings if you're just a double agent? That'd be amazing. Awesome. Be great. I might be. Slowly just starts putting up like good good videos and all these like just every You already mentioned good good during this podcast.

I know, I noticed that. Sorry. That's okay. We can talk about that. We can talk about that. I got no issue. I actually like good. No,

we like that. We're supposed to play them in a match. I think we're going to. I think we can really play them in a match now that we have, I mean, Danny's legit. Yeah. No, I think we got to,

that would do numbers. And I'm playing better. You're really right. I have more confidence now that we could play them. Let's do it. It's also a scrambling. It's a scramble. It's like,

anybody can play anybody. We'll see how tomorrow goes. If we just dust the New York Islanders, I think we can play anybody because they're going to be really good tomorrow. I've been hitting a lot of shots out there. I know you're two, Frankie's played five holes, I think, today. He's two under. He was, I can't know spoilers from the video in Myrtle. Oh, yeah.

But I'm playing, I played a couple holes today. I also made a birdie on one of my two holes where we're playing good. We put up your first full video, your first full hole on video out here at Walliston. It was a 17th. It was a par three. You made a birdie. I watched that video and it's, you're just, You're just a good golfer.

I also got a lot of action on Twitter. I think Pete, there's a lot of, like, you know, new car, everyone wants to see how I swing and how I play and stuff. It was up for like 10 minutes.

I had like, 1,500 likes. Some people are like, oh, why are you talking in acting like Riggs? It's like, maybe because I've watched Riggs do this exact video

25,000 times. And I don't know. It's just like, maybe it's subconscious. I don't know, but like... In the video, you're supposed to talk about the ad

and then hit the golf shot. So it's not like Riggs invented the idea of talking before a golf shot. Like, trying to be Dave or something. All the time. But like Dave just talks and does the thing that he's doing. We're talking to anything that we're doing.

I keep getting the Riggs little brother and a skinny or glennie balls. What? That's like what? Skinny balls is what he's getting a lot. Look at the comments. Skinny balls. Are they saying you look like Glennie balls? They're saying I look like a skinny or glennie balls.

Like a really skinny. I don't see that. Yeah, I don't know. Skinny Glenn. People are saying they can't unsee it. I actually don't see it either. Okay, good. Once you do, you won't be able to unsy it.

I don't see it. Frankie's starting to see it a little bit. If you forced me to see it, I'll see it. That's what I'm worried about. That's why I don't want to see it. No, you guys look like brothers more than anything else. Yeah. Yeah.

Plenty balls, man. What a human being. Augusta. Yeah, so just, I wouldn't send them this podcast if I were you. Okay. They'll be okay, dude. They're human beings. They get it.

I think about that a lot, too. Those are just people that run that. And they're, like, a lot of them are fans. They knew the pizza reviews. It's like two people that. We did 25 minutes with her on the phone and she was great. Like, I actually a big fan of this Pete's review. Frankie's like, oh, yeah, I'm filming those.

It's great. Then we went through a bunch of stuff. She had heard some of the interviews and my fan. And then she just had the hammer drop at the very end. So that's the issue is the merch? I imagine there's more than one issue, but that's the one that she really put a kibosh on our call. So then we have to do things like we did last year. Like, we're one of the biggest golf brands on the air and that we're not going to be or cover the masters.

Like, why are they suppressing that from us? It's insanity. What are you allowed to do with the master's in your credential? Really not much. See, that's another reason we have to give. a ton of efforts. Right. So what are we going to do

without a phone Oh, really? See, I was always under the impression that media could have their phones on the golf golf. Nobody, dude. Oh, interesting.

So the only thing we would get is you're able to we would just be in the media center instead of in front of our TV on the couch. Didn't someone sneak in their phone like last year wasn't there? No,

it was a guy from Snapchat that was allowed to have it. There was also a, there was also a PG tour coach who I won't name who was escorted out because he was just like checking the leader board

behind the fourth T and they were like, what do you think you're doing? Jesus. Hey, escorting them out, and the player had to, like, go and be like, hey, he's my coach. Like, please let him back in. I thought you, did you guys tell us a story that I can't remember if it was off mic or on mic, so I'm not going to mention any names about that, somebody that happened to?

They just accidentally brought their phone in. This wasn't an accident. Yeah. Was that off, is that off Mike? Yep. Okay. Then I'm not going to talk about it. Yep.

Yeah, that happened to someone. Okay. Well. Yeah, so there's really not much you can do. All you can do is go out there. I mean, you can talk to guys, but you can't video it. You can't. You bring, you have.

to get like a voice recorder to go out there and record stuff. It's like a 12. Well, so we'll keep going as patrons. I loved that last year. Couldn't agree more, dude. I really want to be there. Plus, you can be there as much as you want. Plus, we lower the expectation.

Like, you're telling me, like, we can just tell people, you are not allowed to have phones. So guess what? We're going to go in as patrons and we're just going to sit at a main corner and have a couple of beers and then tell you about the experience later. Right. That sounds nice. Yeah, I agree with that. I thought they could. We got to hit up that Magnolia place, that guy.

That guy's legit. legit. Do you guys get in Birkman's? No, there's a new place like outside the entrance and like we should do our podcast from there. We should do live shows from there. What was it called the Magnolia? Magnolia Club. Bro, this place is. Imagine we couldn't go up with the word club.

This guy basically bought out like seven properties right outside the gates of Augusta and created this. It looks like Augusta, like the way the buildings are all moving together and he has like a stage in the backyard. He has a putting green in the backyard. He's got restaurants back there. He had full swing simulators back there. They were there, like, showing off their simulator. He was a CEO guy. I love that guy.

It looks like large. That's Jason. I love Jason. What a legend. Love him. He's one of my favorite people on the planet. They, and they're like, yeah, if you guys want to do like live shows, like for all, I mean, there's thousands of people there.

It's crazy. That would be cool. That would be awesome. If we just like hosted shows from there and we could have guys funnel in and stuff. We're going to do that for sure. It's just not, it's hard to get guys to get guys to. funnel in because it's not in you know it's not in augusta georgia it's not in augusta cross street yeah it's cross street when you get traffic and everything afterwards but if you like we could

get our guys in there we get kids and stuff over there i think he'd be fine with it yeah mattie would stop by for sure yeah yeah that's right it might be too big for us now he's big now he'll still do it as long as he doesn't have you as long as contact have you had since you got this job with mattie a lot a lot is he pumped yeah he's super happy i mean he's very british so everything's like oh how you doing barstool boy? How you doing Mr. Camera? Like, oh, you know, he's always, everything always comes with Mr. Camera? That's a good one. Yeah, something like, something like that. He's like, how does it feel to have a camera in your face during your whole life? And I was like, whoa, just relax. But no, we've talked about it. You know, he's just, he doesn't, he doesn't want to do anything that he

doesn't want to do, which I, I love that. I respect. He's like, the thing that I've learned most since the U.S. Open is that nothing, what's the one thing that everyone has that they can't get more of, no matter how much money you have time. And so he's like, my time is not worth anything. Right. So if he's there and we talk to him for 30 minutes, yeah, if we want to ask him to play a round of golf for us on an off day, I'm not so sure that he would do it.

I'd love to do a four minutes of grammar with him. Come on, Maddie. Don't be like that. I think he's out. Grow up. He doesn't get a fuck now. No, he should still fucking care. It's fun.

Does he? Fun is true. I don't know. Social media presence. Does he have a lot of fun? It depends on what, not the traditional definition of fun. I'll put it that way. Does he listen to the podcast?

I said yesterday that we're all going to die at some point, so we have to have fun. I don't think he listens to the podcast. He used to do tests. I mean, maybe he does. We used to say color at the other show. He's the kind of guy who would listen to it every episode and not tell you. Well, we used to do a test because he started texting me about stuff. And I was like, I think he had this is probably a year and a half two years ago.

He has to be listening to show. So then we would slip in. We said purple at the show and we said, Matt, if you're listening, you know, you have to say, perp, tell us. and the code was purple and he would text me purple there you go okay so he does listen purple

but that was a while he might be off the train now he's got to use open out again he can do whatever he wants at all time you want the fucking you have so open not far from where we're sitting

right now no no nine miles nine point eight miles by the crow fly he can't do everyone's can Zach Johnson do everyone's that guy's a fucking he's just what

we talk about this he's a sheep a master's a open championship he's a sheep a master's a master's and an open championship at St. Andrews. It's a Rider Cup captain. What's your problem with him?

She doesn't do it for me. That's okay. He looks like an astronaut. Yeah, but astronauts. Do it. What do you mean? How can you see a person and say that guy looks like an astronaut? He's Frankie Burley's brain.

Unfortunately, and I appreciate you trying to defend him. Unfortunately, we did a rendering and he looks just like it. We photoshopped. We showed it to him in an interview. That's the other thing. He's one of our guys. I know. He was very nice.

I don't shit on. He was very nice. Salaheth is in the Masters. this year. I know. Incredible. We'll be, we'll get him to probably do something. Dude, we got to do chess game. Magnolia club. We got to find somebody for him to play chess with it. We should get some like super smart CEO who's like a, I guess the guy. Who's the best chess player in the world right now? Is it still that Magnus dude? I have no idea. Magnus is his name. That's a tough question. That sounds like a name. There was a chess.

That's a chess champion. There was a guy, even Magnus, I think it starts with the C's last name. Magnus. I think IBM Watson is the best chess player in the world. Who? True. He dusted everybody. They've had like series where they play against the computer and the computer always wins now. Dude, Trent, look at this guy.

Magnus Carlson. I've heard that name. Rank number one. Ding Leran, rank number two. Fun fact, one of our Barstow Classic Championship last year is Dustin Dingus. Oh, wow. Yeah, Ding Leran, number two.

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Al-Azerra-Fru-Rogne in the Joe Rogan podcast when Zuckerberg was on that I didn't bring up on the show. I brought up to you in the car. Yeah. Was that Rogan brings up the fact that basically Mark Zuckerberg is working on something so much right now to make augmented reality a thing. Blend virtual with reality, right? And how much he's advanced in the last, let's say, 10 years? And Rogan said that if you really think about it and expand that thought, it's the perfect

example or argument for simulation theory that. that another universe has just been doing what Mark Zuckerberg is trying to do and has accomplished it 100,000 years ago and that we are just like the version of that. Or a billion years ago. Or a billion years ago. Think about how real Mark Zuckerberg's trying

to make his virtual experience. He's trying to make eye contact and he's trying to recreate like environments. Oh, wow, you're saying 100,000 years that would be just like us. That could be so real. Somebody did it too us. The simulation.

Wow, that's like the beginning of it. It's going to be super real. that it's just this. You guys, are you guys in on the simulation? I mean, once I heard that, it was like after that conversation, the car, I was certainly in on it. I'm not. I'm not either. Really? Yeah, because the simple fact that I don't think we're ever going to know in my life and I would rather

think life's more beautiful. Okay, but what are you, all right, but that's like your hopes and dreams. This is still pretty good though. Even if it is a simulation. Really good. Yeah. Then like, think about like glitches. What if that's, I was saying, like, what if that's like lightning or some shit? Like, you don't, we don't know what glitches are you know sometimes you're just like how'd that just happen de javu earthquake i would say though that like we've come vo is just like oh shit we're doing it again hold on i would say like here's my counter to that is that there there used to be like in earth in humans minds billions of glitches and

we've just checked tons of them off with science true hurricanes used to be glitches like the sun coming across used to be taken across by a god with a chariot and everyone on earth believed that solar eclipse And then eventually they were like, no, that's like, they're just a giant planet and simulation. Like everything you're going to say about Earth is in a folder on someone's computer. Like all that stuff's just happening in there. You're waiting for the Truman Show moment where the boat hits the wall. I'm waiting for some kid in a fucking universe that's a billion years away to like,

he's like jerking off or something. And the mom walks in and he like has to exit out of all of his shit. And this whole thing comes down because we're inside one of his computers. He's just some kid that started a fucking simulation. You think that's crazier. in the big bang theory? I don't know, man. I don't know. I'm just saying.

I'm not really in the big bang theory. What was Zuckerberg's response when Rogan brought that up? He kind of danced away from it. He pranced away from it. Well, yeah, he doesn't want to seem like he's like the creator of men. Right. Essentially, every time Rogan questioned him on like, why are you doing this? He's like, well, I just think it's going to be better.

And Rogan's like, you're just going to make like people not be people anymore. And he's like, oh, no, well, how about surfing? He just like kept changing. I'm scared. I listened to it too. Yeah, I thought. I thought it was interesting. They did so much on the Metaverse stuff that I got a little sick of it.

Yeah. And then I thought Zuckerberg, it was super interesting. I think it's like must listen just because he's such a big figure and everything that we do. Right. But he's just, he is truly a robot. Yeah. He's hard to listen to him for that long. And that's rare on rogue.

Sorry, that's rare and rogue. Most people, like when it's three and a half hours is up, I want to keep listening. Yeah. And him, I like, I couldn't make it through the whole thing. I felt that way. I felt that way about Elon Musk. Those guys who are, they're so smart and they have so much going on, what I've noticed is they really take time to answer a question.

And you're just like, and it's the right way to answer a question. You're thinking about it and you're like, I want to have a thoughtful response. But when, like, Rogan will ask Zuckerer question, there is like a five second delay where they're like. Yep. Here's what I think about that. And it's just like, Elon does that the whole interview. He does.

And I listen. I think he's done it two or three times now he's been on there. Yeah. And I've listened to all of them because I went. through Elon phase probably like six months ago. I was just consuming everything. But it starts to drive you nuts after however long where asked question that he doesn't say a word.

And you're like, all right. Hey, like you almost start talking. They process like a computer. Yeah. They bring the information. They're like, all right, here we go. You just think about all the things that we've accomplished. And then you think about if someone else had 100,000 more years, how much better could

everything that we have be? And then if they had a million times 100,000 years. Right. Which is, you know, you're getting into the billions of years, which this whole thing's been around for like 14 billion years. So it's not that crazy for there to be a civilization that is just a billion years more advanced than ours. A billion. I think it was you or one of you were telling you that you're a big Roman emperor guy, right? Oh yeah.

Like a Roman Empire. They were like pretty far and then they kind of like cannibalized themselves. And then like everyone went backwards. So like they were. Did we talk about that the day before he got here? Must have. Weren't they? They were ahead of like the 1500s, weren't they?

in like BC? They were far along. Yeah. So they could have came up with a car 1500 years ago, right? They were like on their way to what I still want to know the answer to is what is the one thing that they just didn't get to that like if they would have, it would have triggered all of this. Right.

Right. Because why couldn't they do the industrial revolution and shit like that? That's what I'm saying. It feels like in like 1700 or 1600s, they were like really not any farther along than the Romans were in like 100. Right. So what? Definitely quality of life wasn't higher.

Right. and then look at from then until now how far we've come. So what's the one thing they just didn't get that if they would have gotten it, it would have triggered everything. It might be electricity. It's got to be like storable electricity. Because that really gets things moving. That really,

that's the engine. Has to be. I watched a video on aliens that freak me out about how if we ever run into aliens, it's either going to be really, really bad news or it's going to be okay. Like if you, the chances we run into an alien civilization that is at the same level of technological advancement of us is incredibly rare.

They're either way, way, way behind us or way, way, way ahead of us. Did you see Arrival? No. Dude. Must watch movie. It's a very, very realistic depiction of what it might look like if we had an alien encounter. How do you know it's realistic? What it might look like.

I got a situation going on out of my house right now. I'm going to watch it. This guy's not going to leave this package at my front door right now. Do I have to be there? So I've got this piece of art being delivered to my house from a guy named Tim Smith. He painted with his own hands. and fingers and whatever. This is real time.

He painted the seventh hole of the level of beach room. Hold on, hold on, hold on. This guy just like... Can you talk to him? Yeah, I'm going to go on the ring door, but I'm going to go on ring. And simply say if I could talk to him,

I think it's too far away. Oh, no, I got to log in now. What are we're watching this guy in real time? I just saw him, yeah. Hold on now. It's making me kind of hot a little. It's creepy. It's unlocking something I didn't know I had.

Come on now. He's not going to leave this thing? Tim Smith Art. Frankie, can you jack into? the microphone on your... I'm trying, I'm trying. Hold, here. And then we can talk to him?

Wait, wait, wait. Tap to go live. What would you call him, Mr. Delivery, man? He's gone. Hello? Oh, he's gone. Did you leave it? Check the other camera.

Let's check the other simply safe. All right, I'm going to watch a rival. Yeah, I've got the doorbell and I've got the... You're going to love it, Trent. Yeah, I'm really excited if you to watch it. Thank you. Yeah, I think it's more likely than not that if we encounter aliens, Well, I think it's almost a certainty that they're going to be super, super super

didn't leave it. Super farther advanced than we are. Of course, because they reached us. But I actually think it's more likely than not that they're going to be friendly and helpful than just destroy us. Where does that, where does that thought come from? I don't see how, I think in order for them to be super advanced, that would require collaboration.

And they didn't destroy themselves. So clearly they defeat them. did that instinct to be like negative and adversarial towards others and are have worked together to get to this point for so long that if they encounter us, I feel like there would be way more reasons for them to be friendly to us and want to help us than to just destroy us. I don't, I don't think it's likely that they would get much out of just being like, oh, we're going to fly by these guys. Why don't we just blast them off the, like, who cares? I think we're still thinking about it through too much of like a human lens. I agree. And that's what's cool about arrival. It's like, it's not,

It's not like they're nice or not nice. It's like they don't operate on the community. It's not the same communication style. It's just a completely separate ether. Because the story right now people always say is like, if they're here, if they come here, they're going to want our resources. They're going to kill us and they're going to steal our resources. If they're here, they don't need our resources.

They probably won't even know what those things are. They're just like, what is oil? What is coal? You guys are using coal? Right. We haven't used that for 200 million years. It's like they're not here for resources. They got the reason.

That's exactly. They figured out something. They're going to be like, you have a sun there. Like, that's all the energy we need. Like, we don't need you. Right. They're going to hit this sun like a gas station. They're just going to be like, that's what we're going to use for a little bit.

Right. Yeah. Like the War of the Worlds is like another example where they're like, oh, they need to feed off of humans. And know what like that all these, these, these, have you seen World of Tom Cruise? Yeah. Can't breathe the air or something, right? Yeah, it turned out to be a bacteria. They're like, yeah.

The end is a zero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a zero. Because they show up and they're like, oh, here are these big aliens. And it's like, oh, we are, our machines can't take your bacteria. Well, they sprayed them with water or something because there was like living bacteria in the water.

And the water just killed the, or the bacteria just killed the big machines that were just sending tentacles out, destroying people. But it's not. It doesn't make for a great ending of a movie. No, no, it did. Realistic, though. It was, I believe it was a book before. I would be, it's better in book form. That's a, that's actually a horrifying movie.

Dude, when those alien things are like just grabbing people with that tentacles. I think the movie came out when Tom Cruise was starting. to go a little haywire because I remember the hype for that movie was insane. What was the one that was filmed like from a camcorder? Oh, uh, Cloverfield? Cloverfield. Yeah. Don't fucking shake your head, Alex.

There was another one that came out a couple years later, like 10 Cloverfield. Yeah. It was just like a different series of Cloverfields. Yeah. I was Alex shaking his head. I don't know. I thought, I thought for sure he was going to be Cloverfield guy. So I threw Cloverfield at him and he was like, I don't know. Well, he just looks like a Cloverfield. We still don't know what kind of guy Alex is. I think I know. You do? He's super into video games and shit.

know that and the buffalo bills the buffalo bills loves the buffalo one and out is there anything deeper to you out i don't know what kind of porn he watches no that's how that's how you know i think that's where i think that's workplace i don't think you can ask i just said i want to that's even weirder dude it's even weird to do it's supposed to go on casey radio the next week oh yeah you'll get all that out of your system okay good you'll get all that out you come back fresh yeah cleansed a little bit sun's coming out it's nice out there it's been raining in boston all today relentlessly. What time do we start this fucking show, Alex?

1150. Oh, we got to talk some golf. Golf? Yeah, Liv. G-O-L-F. Liv got the Arizona State, the best college golfer in the country. He was number one at one point, I believe.

I think he was definitely near the top. Met this kid. He did? Yeah, the Let Them Play Classic last year. I believe his girlfriend at the time was playing in the Let Them Play, and he was out watching her, and he just came over and said, What's Up? And then sure enough, a couple weeks later,

I see him in Nationals, like playing for ASU and hitting it like $3.50. I was like, oh, this guy's sick. And now he's a live guy. Euros love Liv. Yeah, they do. He's not the first guy. Remember Eugenio Chikara from Oklahoma State?

Another Spanish guy who was like number three or number four in the amateur rankings studded Oklahoma State, went straight to live. James Piot. He went straight to live. James Piat's a little different because he kind of caught lightning in a bottle at the USM. He wasn't like one of the best amateurs. So for him, I was like, I'm going to turn this win into eight.

million dollars or whatever it is. A lot of people have done on different levels. It's like Cam Smith really kind of did that. Yeah. But this is different because it's like you got now I got two kids, two of the top, I don't know, 10 prospects of the last year who've gone straight to live. And so they're, I guess they're gambling that they're going to be able, there's going to be some path to the majors or maybe they just don't care and they want the money. Yeah. But it's definitely sort of pokes a hole in the whole argument of these are all has beens unlive and, you know, no one is about competition. These guys are just starting their pro career. And I think we talked about this when there were other younger guys going when this was originally happening that

it's it's an interesting risk for for a young guy like that because how do you become a star without context without the context of the pjutor like what does a star look like on live well i guess we're going to find out like if the eugenio or david puig start winning we'll see like how big they get but honestly pat Perez is a star on live because he's won like three times on the team level it's like he's winning like he's winning like four million dollars i don't know what like what's better over there. But I mean a star to like that transcends into a general audience. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Right. It's it's tough. Like the PJs where everyone knows

because it's been around for so long. You win this tournament. You win this many of tournaments. You win a major. You do all these things. And you get elevated. Then you're on magazines and you're on TV shows. You're on podcast. Golf Digest. If you're on if you're live like I just don't like if this guy wins a bunch of tournaments is he going to get the exposure that turns him into a star? I don't know. I don't think we have the answer. It's a good question. It's, it's, it's so weird to think how young and early we are into this. Yeah. How long's Tor been around, PJ, Tor? Like, they split off in like the 60s or 70s.

You're talking 60, 70 years of history and we're in the first three months of this. It hasn't even started. It's really weird. Next year is when it starts. It's really weird to try to like guess that type of stuff. So it's interesting because we're in Boston now. We're at Walston Golf Club for the Barstool Classic, our third to last one of the year, our 25th stop of the year. and they live Boston was not far from here a week ago

and there's a bunch of people that were playing that one guy had a live hat on he came over and was like I just thought I'd kind of like rustle things up I got my live hat on yeah and we were just having a real conversation about he's like yeah went to the event he's like actually it was really fun and he was making a good point of how calculated and prepared they actually are where he was like yeah it was no joke that they did at Labor Day weekend because the what was the tournament? the PG Tour Tour tournament's always here.

It used to be the, it was like the playoffs tournament. What was it called? It was always. No, that's, no, what was it called? What DJ wanted? Northern Trust. There was always Labor Day weekend.

And so he's like the same vendors that are prepared, the same staff, the same volunteers, all that is in place and in place for this weekend. A lot of this stuff makes sense. I mean, they were like, they did it extremely smartly where they really didn't have to raise too much of a new footprint. They just moved it to a different course, but his same vendors. same people and he said it was like super fun to be there and then they've made a lot of decisions that make a lot of sense i saw an interview that greg norman did where he's like we're going to play

in new york boston and chicago because the pj tour is not playing there this year and it's crazy yep i mean you got three massive sports towns that have had tournaments before they're used to it and the pjutor you know instead of having the first playoff event last year was at liberty national it was at it was in delaware this year right it's just like they're looking at this as just pure business. How can we go to the biggest market possible? And it makes a lot of sense. Now a word from our sponsor, Better Help. More

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Is that becoming true now where like you're not going to have the young guys become like the superstars anymore? I think there's enough good players to fill the void if that makes sense. Like as long as the PJ tour ecosystem is still existing, there's always enough players. Like, it's not like there's only two guys who have star power. I mean, Cameron Young, everyone was talking about how big it was that he stayed. No one had any idea who Cameron Young was 11 months ago, 12 months ago. So true.

It just happens fast. Yep. And people fade fast. You know, you think that there's never going to be a guy who's going to replace this guy or that guy. And it always happens. Dude, it was crazy thinking about how fast it happens. When we were in Myrtle Beach last week, uh, played off Myrtle Beach, brusselmerdlebeach.com. Great.

great situation over there had a great time they were talking about the one guy Kyle that we were working with was talking about how when they had like the I don't know if it was an NCAA regional or it was an amateur or something that was at Murtle at TBC Murtle that

they were like oh yeah morcawa was here and it was like 2018 yeah and I was like no dude it couldn't have been like 2018 what year was at he's like yeah I think it was 2018 or so and I was like holy fuck like in 2020 Morcau one a major championship.

Last year we won another one. It's like, that's insanity. It's Morikawa was in 2018 playing a college tournament. You look at the 2017 Rider Cup, not Radar Cup, sorry, the 2017 Walker Cup team that just absolutely dusted them at LACC was Mori Kawa, Scottie Sheffler, Will Zalotaurus, Doug Gim, who's on the PJ tour, Maverick, McNeely. These guys were all on the team five years ago, and now they're all massive, massive stars.

It's crazy. How fast it happened. It's happening a lot faster. Like there's these two, I was. telling you guys before we started recording these, he's two freshmen. One's Caleb Surrott, who I think lost in the finals of the U.S. Jr. and Ben James, and these guys are like, you know, the top two recruits. Ben James has shot 28 on his first nine holes of college golf. He's 20 under, last I checked, he was 20 under par, like midway through his third round, leading by six. He's 18 or 19.

And the kids are just, they've grown up with track, man. They know how to play. They have all these course management systems. They're smarter. Used to be like your, your peak in golf. was early 30s, mid-30s. It's just not the case anymore. It's so wild to me that things continue to advance, right? Because you think 20 years ago when Tiger Woods was in his peak. They're like, all right, that guy has reached basically a level that other people will probably mimic that is like as good as golf can ever be.

And now you're like, that's 70 years removed from Bobby Jones and those guys being so good that now today we're just getting a new generation that's like, oh, they know a lot more about course management. How the fuck did they not? Like, how do they not know everything? It's computer. And I think a lot of it is like track man and technology has gotten so much better. These guys know exactly how to optimize their ball flight. I mean, these kids, if you had an average, yeah, sorry, full swing. If you had an average driving distance at like NCAA championships, I bet you it's longer than the average on the PJ tour for sure. And the kids just

absolutely smash it. I mean, when I play in these tournaments, what did you say there? I think if If you took the average driving distance at the NCAA championships, it would be longer than the average driving distance on the PGA store. I really believe that. Yeah, they send it. I know a lot of people have said that, but that's, I mean, generally, I think the consensus is because the courses they play in college are way easier. So guys just send it as hard as they can.

And then when they get out on tour, of course, it's significantly harder and you have to learn that you need to hit it straight or rather than that. I played with a kid. Is that right? Yeah, I think that is right. I play with a kid Robbie Herzig who got to the finals of the Met Am, who's like a, that's like a big tournament in the normal. Northeast and he goes to Colgate so not even one of these but he's a really good

good Colgate hockey I hit it far he was he was 30 he was a good 35 yards past me 40 yards past me and two irons past me you know it's like flying at 315 it's it's another they've reached another level of distance huh what do you think about that Trent that's that's that's that home is unbelievable that just blew my mind the the talent pool is deep fuck it's insanely so it makes it that's like a good argument for like what i mean the the question that frankie pose was like is this a problem for the pj tour when a young guy like this goes and it's like just the next man up literally and they just come yeah but i mean i guess looking back like hindsight 2020 you know that like calomorcao became calomarcai you know that jess and thomas became jesson thomas

this guy from arizona state like could have been the next one for sure and now like you're losing him to live and I know that like now that opens up another spot to be that next guy but at least you're you're still losing like what could have been the next column yeah I think just ignore that we haven't had a guy who's been like so crazy hyped since really speath like if someone like speith had gone where it was like okay this guy's won the juniors he's won everything right that would be different right like we didn't know about this guy and this no right true like I think Matt wolf was kind of like that because of his swing and he won the NCAAs, but there hasn't been a guy like that for a couple years who's like, okay,

this guy is like the real deal. If someone like that went to live, that would be, I think, more significant. There's also, you know, I feel like there's a chance just the other way that like this, you know, Pue could, if he, if he had gone to tour, there's a chance he could have become a star, but he could go to live, play really well, but just never become a star. That's what I was saying where it's like, I don't know what that looks like. Well, what does the star mean? He's going to make a lot of money. But I'm saying for, yeah. You're looking forward to doing it to seeing is how they're going to rank guys

going into majors if they're going to be a lot to play in them. Like how are we? We talked about this last, like, a couple months ago. Power rankings? Just like the power, like, yeah,

if we're trying to say, like, who is the betting favorite going into the masters? And we all know, like, how they do it based off of the PGA tour. You have X amount of tournaments, however they finish.

Like, what if like this guy is just fucking tearing up live? Yeah. Is he the betting favorite, like going into a major? Like, how are you going to do that? How's the Barst's coursebook going to figure that out?

There was nine Liv guys who finished T23 or better at Wentworth. Nine. Right. They played well. They're still good. Turns out. It's also the, that's also the DP World Tour versus the PJ Tour.

So that's a little bit misleading. Yeah. Right. Because like, not as deep. Right. Live took like players from the PGA Tour. Right.

They didn't take like. Taylor Gooch wouldn't be playing. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like if you, that's, that's, that's in my opinion, pretty equal to like the,

the PGA tour had just had X amount of people. that if you added the PJ tour play. Because like the, it'd be one thing if all the sudden Liv was allowed to play in like one PGA tour event and they were like, we had nine of the top 22 where live guys, that'd be great.

But like the DP World World Tour by its nature is, is less caliber than PJ tour events. Yeah. So clearly they did well because these guys that are on live were taken from the PJ tour. Right. From the better tour. So it's like,

I thought that was a little misleading when I saw that. Fair? it'd be like if they went and played on the Asian tour and they're like Yeah I mean I get that there's other PGA tour guys in the field But like it's that's still an element of it that I think was being lost When I saw that's that yeah I just think it's you know there's a lot of talk about

And I even run an article that I look back and kind of cringe at is like your own article My own article It's like you're gonna be wrong You're gonna be wrong in this business There was some talk about you know are these guys going to be able to stay competitive right If they're not playing to make the cut every week if they're not playing for this or not playing for that. It's like, well, football players are guaranteed. A lot of them have guaranteed money contracts, right? Or the quarterbacks do. Basketball players have guaranteed

money contracts. They don't just stop trying. You're playing for your next contract. You're playing for your endorsement deals. You're playing for all that stuff. And you're a competitor. Your whole life, you've gone competing just because you have a lot of money now. Doesn't mean that you're all a sudden going to stop. I like that. I really think it's case by case. I think some guys are that way and some guys aren't. You're 100% right. I think it could actually unlock a competitive edge in the live guys if they are allowed in the majors more than they were when they were just coasting to the PJ tour like a Dustin Johnson showing up to Augusta National like being like now I really want to show these guys that I can do this like I have like a new fire in me that I'm like the enemy

now walking in like they might take that villain role and run with it a hundred percent they feel it like opposed to just being Dustin Johnson the seventh favorite and the masters now a sudden he's Dustin Johnson live bad boy bad boy like holy shit that's a new storyline for him and they feel that way because because the tension which is I'm surprised by like it's going tenser and tenser. It felt like this week at Wentworth was like the tensest it's been. It's galvanizing, I feel like. It's pretty old.

It's definitely becoming like a real thing. And even Shane Lowry and his press conference. Did they come out and say that that was nothing? Oh, which I think kind of might have been bullshit. Didn't they do? Didn't they do like a spoof? Yeah, but like they combined their Instagrams and posted it, didn't they? Oh, I didn't see that.

That makes me even more sketched out, like that it was real. Yeah. In his press conference afterwards, they did do something stupid like that. Lowry was like, you know, this was a win for the good guys. Like, it's definitely tense, and I think the tenser it gets, the more they're going to feel the way you were talking about, Frankie, the more they're going to feel like they don't want us here, fuck them. Bulletin board material. Does the decision have to come down for when who can play the Masters and who can't? Is there a cutoff or is it just right up to it?

They make their own rules. I mean, I'd imagine there's some clarity, communicating. Fred Ridley's sitting in a dark room just being like, here's who can play and is your can. I just think there's no chance they shut him out. Like here's who can be there. It would be Bubba, DJ, Phil. All these guys, Schwartzel, you're going to just tell them that they can't come back? I saw Padraig say that he wants the majors to be above everything.

He doesn't want it to, he wants everybody to be able to go, which is an interesting point. And I think theoretically I feel that way. Like I would prefer the majors to still have the best fields no matter what. And I think it benefits the majors because it makes them like the Champions League of Soccer. Right. Whereas like there's four times a year when the live bad boys and the PGA tour, Goody Tushie. I'm joking here, but that they all play each other. And that being the majors, the majors would be even more hype, right?

Because this is the only time when you get to see DJ play against Roy. Right. It's as closest people always say they want to see, like, I want to see a live versus PGA tour tournament. Majors might be the closest you're going to get. On a on a general level, what would the majors justification or reasoning at all be for not letting guys play that are qualified, that are past winners or that are whatever? like what would their point be yeah i mean i guess i think that was a bad decision by you to go there tiger wood says so didn't he really said like he doesn't think it's good for golf i think that martin slumber said the same thing so i guess they would say like you're not acting in the best interest of the game

but it feels pretty fuzzy like what i'm saying that's what i mean that be like if guy won the masters you told him he has a lifetime invitation and now you're telling him he can't go because he decided to play on another tour it just i don't know that's what i mean that that would be their only reasoning right they don't have like there's nothing else that's that's in the stipulation They could hide behind the world rankings, I guess, if the world rankings continue to. But I'm saying if you are qualified, though, if you're a past champion or if you're a... I think there's almost no chance. They're going to be like Sandy O'Ile's playing, but fucking I can't play.

I mean, what are we doing here? It's a good point. I can't see it happening. I can't see the Gus is saying no to the live guys. Yeah, I'd be stunned. I'd be stunned if they got suspenders on out there, slapping it around. It's six or seven. And that was a choice that Liv made, too, by the way, to go after pass faster champions, 100%.

Yeah. Because they're saying, you're going to kick these guys out? We got seven of them. Right. They have seven. I don't know. I think they've got Reed, DJ, Bubba, Phil.

Sergio. Bubba, Sergio. Five. Louis. Six. Schwartzel. Seven. It's like it writes six or seven.

Holy cow. I saw Bubba had a moody statement about it. He's like, if they don't want me there, I don't want to be there anyway. Definitely said it like that too. They don't want me there. I don't want me there.

It's making, it's just made, I mean, this whole thing has been wild. It would make the majors. infinitely more exciting and they're already very exciting. If it's just live versus... I think they'll do something next to their name like they've been doing with Russian athletes and like the US Open.

No, they just like don't put where they're from next to it. Yeah. Oh yeah, they can't have the flag. Yeah. I find that to be fucked up, by the way. It's so... Athletes don't have anything to do. They don't even know what's going on.

That's the stupidest thing in the media doesn't even tell them what's going on. It's crazy what they... Their media says like there's Nazis attacking us. We're sending the troops and they're like, that sounds like a good idea. Imagine them show up. event like what's going on? Right.

Tell me what's happening that? You're not going to put my flag on it? That's kind of fucked up. Every Russian tennis player just had nothing next to their name. It's such a weird move. It was like USA versus blank. They weren't even allowed to play in Wimbledon. No.

And I'm pro. I'm pro. I'm pro. Yeah. But that seems like a colonial, Colonial Springs golf club on Ohio. Where we belong, they've still got the Ukrainian flag right there on the pole.

We're still standing. Is there like a pretty deep connection? Somebody in the shop. But at some point. I think it's gotten to the point where it's up there for so long that if you take it off, it's then offensive. Well, you know what I mean? It's up there for so long. It's going to get past like two weeks.

Yeah. They're going to keep it up there so long. It's going to fade and it's going to be nothing. I know. The flag's not going to be up there anymore anyway. Yeah, the majors would be way, way more interesting. They got to get the live guys in there. They have to because if they don't, then it's not a true test of who's the best golfer in the world.

It just isn't. That was Patrick's point. Yeah. It's like you got it. It will be too. It will be amazing. lines win Cam Smith or DJ or somebody peels off one of these majors as a live guy. It's going to happen.

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I hate this line, but this was per the telegraph, an anonymous high profile player told the telegraph, However you look at it, this is two fingers up from Garcia to the tour. He came to Wentworth saying he wanted to, quote, support the tour, but was obviously annoyed at what DP World Tour CEO Keith Pelly said. Just bad PR for Sergio in general, I think. Yeah, but... Interesting they say two fingers, because that's like the FU and in Europe.

That's why he said, it's two fingers to the... They do what? I think so. I thought it was two middle fingers. I don't think it was, no, this is like a very offensive thing. So Ringo Star and all that. No, not this way. It's like, if you go this way, you're like up here.

Oh, okay. I was insane. That was the Richard Nixon. His departure. Paul McCartney and Ringo have been given up. If you show the back of your fingers. I think it's like an up yours situation. Up yours.

Yeah. Is that right? Up yours. You're like double fingering on basically? I'm pretty sure that's right. I'm pretty sure that's right. God, you really need to get to KFC radio. Dude.

There was this, I don't know if it was real. There was this commercial that I saw someone sent me. It was like chicken fingers and they were called the finger blasters. The chicken finger blasters. Oh wow. That's good marketing. They were like, you can do. double blast it we're talking about it's good marketing it was an old 1990s commercial oh i think it

was a spoof hmm it made me laugh though how much do you think they find sergio and is live picking up the bill a hundred million no no make him go broke yeah live will probably pick that up greg normans yeah sure me i'll talk to mb s we'll get that taken care of it's the last public appearance greg morman gregg norman made i feel like i haven't seen him in a while no he's at all the tournaments like passing around beers and stuff he loves it high-fiving guys in the range yeah he loves it what's there what's it like being media there they pretty button or not button are they pretty uh yeah a lot of the people like you're in you're in north korea no a lot of the people it's funny before i went there we had a had an email north korea no

to the first live event had our security team sent us an email being like don't log into the wifi don't do this don't do that i was like i don't think they really i think they got the saudis got bigger fish to fry than my browsing totally totally um no a lot of the people who work they're heard to have that data yeah right all of a sudden rap just starts super pro live on wifi you think that's that's they're getting me at a golf course. I'm signed into every fucking, I mean, I think about that all the time. I sign into public Wi-Fi's. I sign onto things on TVs at Airbnbs. I sign into everything. Oh, I give everybody everything. What are you crazy? I'm not going to sign into this because of the fucking money it's backed by. What are you nuts? Yeah, no, I didn't follow the directions.

But no, a lot of the people who work at Live and media relations used to work at the tour. So it's very similar. It's kind of a shit show, though, because at tour events, the way you talk to guys is like they sign their car and then you talk to them after the round at live there's just like crazy rush because everyone finishes at the same time so it's like a whole shit show of like trying to decide who's going to come they definitely don't make people it's not super easy after the round but you know they've been cool they listen they want friends so they're super nice to us what can i get you how who do you want to talk to you know the guys are definitely trained and given talking points on what to talk about but as far as the actual media experience it was like pretty standard yeah yeah that makes sense uh we have a quick

from the gallery to get to, and that's from Zach, who said his favorite truly flavor is Wildberry. In 10 years, who are PGA tour pros thanking more for their bank accounts? Tiger for being Tiger or Phil for live and creating this chaos that has led to more money. Do you see Zaner Shelfley's interview with our friend Dylan DeCher? No. He did an interview on the Drop Zone podcast with Dylan DeCher. Friend, we like Dylan. We do.

Friend of the program. For sure. Great name wants you know how to pronounce it. Yeah. DeCare. It's not deathier. No. You sit in the chair.

Exactly. That's how he pitched it up. Zander was basically like, yeah, Phil was right. This is what Phil wanted to see. We're seeing it. Thank you, Phil. I think there's a little bit of that feeling going on right now. It has to be.

With the way the tour responded just so quick. I mean, I could not believe how fast everything happened. The tour is going to look nothing like it looked last year next year. Like that. And Phil's definitely, I think things are sort of flipped in Phil's direction a little bit. Yeah, it's, it's true. It's undeniably true that if it weren't for what happened with Liv, none of these changes would have been made by the PJ Tour

and definitely not anywhere close to as quickly as they were changed. There might have been some more money because of the TV deal. A little bit, but not hundreds of millions, not these mega, you know, guaranteed cash events for the best players, not 500K for our guy, Kyle, which we talk about in this interview coming up. Like none of that. would have come down and Liv would not have really happened

I don't think of it weren't for Phil how involved he was behind the scenes literally creating it creating the team environment making all his pitches going so the fact that he was I mean he's the ultimate pariah and the whole thing it's pretty crazy I have seen the argument that if Rory

and Tiger is in a world where Liv doesn't exist if Rory and Tiger had gotten together and gotten had that meeting that same meeting and been like we want to make these changes would the changes still have happened? Probably with the urgency, no. Tiger wouldn't have been involved.

Why would he have cared? You know what I mean? Right, because they weren't doing that. They just didn't do that. I've just seen that floated on Twitter.com. Yeah, and you, Dan, you probably know more about that than we ever will. But I do wonder, right, like, was there any of that going on? Like, was Phil?

Because what Phil has said and will say is like, yeah, I was going to the tour and they just weren't. Right. entertaining this, but I find that shocking to believe that, like, if Phil was Phil a year ago as PJ champion and as beloved as he was and was like, you know, had supportive players and was going to the tour being like, here's what we need to do. That they were, Monaghan was just like, go fuck yourself. I think that's kind of what happened. That's crazy.

A couple of years ago, or maybe it was five or six years ago, he didn't play in one of the FedEx Cup playoff events. He used to be four events. And he didn't play in one of them. And they asked him why. And he was basically like, I'm just super frustrated at it with the PJ tour. I've had all these conversations and I feel like there are these changes that need be made and they're just not

making them and I'm really frustrated. So I actually think he was. Yeah, it's nuts that that, then that is a huge dropping of the ball by the tour. It's amazing what a little competition will do. It's true. It's just very much so. You know? Facts. Facts.

I'll still say Tiger that answer the question. Yeah. Tiger? Yeah, probably they'll be saying Tiger. The little guys will say Phil. for right now. Kyle's definitely grateful to film.

I mean those guys, even the big guys that are still on tour they're going to be making a lot more money because of these changes. Yeah. I mean,

millions and millions more. And they know exactly what tournaments are going to play. But ultimately, we are talking in a million because of Tiger. Right. Yeah, that's true.

There's no live without Tiger. And Tiger's Tiger. There's no foreplay without Tiger. That's correct. Yeah. In the bedroom or on the podcast. There's no Charlie Woods

without Tiger. That's definitely true. We're Sam Woods. True. No way. The barst of classic. That's just how genetics works. That is how genetics work.

I think, yeah, it's interesting. They both, Phil and Tiger have both contributed in just their own ways and they couldn't be more opposite. And I think they've probably never been further apart from each other. I would imagine so. There was that little bit of period where they were kind of getting closer to each other, like when they did the match. Yep.

Tiger ain't talking to Phil. Dude, when we went to the Masters, was that the first time we went to a practice round? They played together. They were hitting flop shots on Together When Phil was wearing the big button down shirt Yeah We were like holy shit

These guys are close Closer than we thought Remember Phil like a hole the flop shot People went nuts We were standing right there So how many times have you guys been then? Three thrice Thrice

I've been twice We went to when we had the You had the party of the Jiffy Loop Yeah the Natty Shack The Natty Shack We went with Gary Player Yeah We wrote down Magnolia

About that And that's it You didn't tell me the real street random it was great it was really fun actually i think it was all a lot of it was thanks to this is before him and all of his sons were in war with each that's what i was gonna say gary brus mark player is some drama and i think mark was our guy right he was the one that hooked us up with a c yeah and he's very active on twitter response to everything we loved him he was mr dinner table guy he's a charismatic individual he sits at the end of the dinner table invites everybody and then he just runs the show

all night and he's very charismatic he's great but his most recent thing was that like apparently he's selling Gary players like memorabilia. Yeah. And Gary players like basically put out that weird statement that was like, this is not, you can't sell my stuff. I didn't give him permission my son. And Mark players like,

actually I've been running your whole business. Like I actually have, these are the guys we were with family. Me and Trent were sleeping under the same roof with these fellows. I saw someone out. Luca Donchich is like suing his mother for image rights. You never like to see that. No,

it gets too messy. Sad man. And then when do we go to the third? Oh, you went the third time. I've been twice. Me and Frank went and we had to sleep in the Atlanta airport. That's right.

That was horrible. We slapped on a coffee table together. I have a feeling tonight's going to be a bad night of travel. I don't know why. I just, I can foresee. Just problems. We have to be on the golf course at 7.30, at 6.30 a.m. tomorrow. Yeah.

T off at 7. How am I going to get there for the city? I have no idea. I'll drive you if you get up. It'll take you like 40 minutes. If I can get to Brooklyn, I'm already in an Uber. I'm just going to go early enough. Early enough, you'll hit no traffic.

Early enough. You're going against traffic. To this really cool. course we're playing? Probably one of the best courses on Long Island. Amazing. Can't wait. Easily. I hit up my dad who's who's from Great Neck and I told him he said great golf course. It's really good. It's getting better too. Maybe 40 minutes that early? That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. I could do that. I'm gonna be asleep. Well, we can talk about what course we're gonna play because it's coming out Thursday. We're playing Glen Oaks. Yeah, we are. There you go.

They had the, it's where DJ. It's in 27. It is so pure. It's actually fucking, it's like laughable. Looks like you got it. What's his name Craig? Craig. The Super. Yep. We got to get him something nice. He's a big golf guy, big hockey guy. We should bring him something. It's extremely pure. It looks like Augusta. They have yellow pins.

It's crazy how pure it is. It's really good. Conjoining fairways, water. And then like just like up against the little ponds, the way that they like trim the grass up against the fucking up against like the brick. You can't. There's not a piece of grass out of place. It's weird that it's tomorrow.

This job is messing with my time. Oh, yeah. Alex was talking about how the president's cup is now. next week. I was like, whoa. No, that's a nightmare. I was like, we have nine things to do in between a home. We're never home. Never home. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have a home. Miss you, I love you. Emma. You joined up at a time when the travel

is a lot. We completely lied to you. It's just this job. Yeah. I messaged rigs or I called Riggs and he's like, yeah, you know, it's fine. If you ever don't want to go, you know, it's like, okay. I am on there. I live on the road now. We are in, I haven't been home in a week and a half. We are in our five days at home, I think in September or something like that. We are in our final super busy travel stretch. And then it gets. from early.

Yeah, but then we're going to probably add four minutes grand. We'll add a few things here in there, but they're quick days. This is like you're just not. What is October 7th is our day of, that's the day that I return to Arizona. Okay.

No, I thought that's when travel series is over, October 7th. And it might be a little sooner. I think it's third to, we want a big cedar, right? Yeah.

Yeah, Big Cedar Lodge. I can't wait. You guys are going to love it. I was talking off camera with somebody yesterday being like, I cannot wait for these guys to see Big Cedar. Cedar Lodge. It is fucking awesome. Yeah, I can't know. I've been looking at...

I can't wait for it to be, like, cool at night. Like a fire and hot beverage. We got to get out there, by the way, boys. I think this thing's going to be coming. It takes them like five and a half hours. They've only been out there before. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, this one's not ending at like 1.30? No, because we usually do 8 a.m. shotgun. This one's nine. Oh, okay. So these guys, it's 1 o'clock now. These motherfuckers won't be done until like 2.30. They're slow a shoot out there. Uh, so yeah, our last day at Big Cedar is the

that we're playing and filming and stuff. I have October 7th list is when I'll return to Arizona. Maybe I'll get a flight, but it's hard to get from Springfield, Missouri to fucking Phoenix. How are we getting to Big Cedar from New York? No idea. Do you guys want to go boating one day while we're there? Sure. You want to do like some tubing and water skiing or something?

Yep. Sure. Yeah. Is the weather going to be appropriate for that? Yeah. It'll be hot still. I'm in. It'll be hot still.

Yeah. I'm in. And then they also have go-kart track. Really good one. Love it. This place called The Fun Spot. I think we have to have a race. Yep.

It's going to be a great time. Oh, good. I'm in on all of it. We go fishing. I'm in. I don't want to get seasick, but I'll... Can we shoot guns? We're not in the ocean.

It's like a shooting range or something? Lake sex. Is that what you call a lake? I would... We should shoot guns. We could shoot guns. Whoa. I stink out of it, but we can shoot guns.

Okay. I'm in on all of it. All right. All right, folks. Everybody have a great, great weekend. We're going to be busy. So we'll be back Tuesday with another podcast. But in that time,

we are flying from Boston to New York, then New York to Colorado, then Colorado back to New York, and then New York to Charlotte. Before our next podcast, after you're listening to this, comes out. You're gonna get Diamond by the time

we get to Charlotte on Delta? Frankie's really close to getting... I'm 19,000 miles, like the MQMs or whatever, away from Diamond on Delta. That's how much we've been flying this year. I just hit gold on Delta. Diamond's crazy. Diamond, I thought, was reserved for like George Clooney

and up in the air. Yes, the person next to me on the plane yesterday was watching that and I was just watching their screen the whole time. Great movie. Yeah, it's a great movie. Dude, when he packs his suitcase, it's like perfectly every time and he's got it. That's a great ending. It's like a low budget movie and that's like, it's really enjoyable.

Colorado, yeah, we're going back to Colorado. We're going to be back to Colorado. I can't, anytime we say Delta, I just can't stop thinking about that lady. That was like, you're going to have to contact Delta. And I was like, right on her shirt. I guess we could tease that one too. We're playing against the Stanley Cup champions. Yes, we are.

Are we ready to tease that? Yeah, I think so. We're playing the New York Islanders tomorrow, and we're playing, this is coming out Thursday. I know I'm just saying, like, we got a lot of time between them with that happens. Oh, that's happening. We're fully booked flights. They're playing this. All right.

Courses. Locked in. We're playing the most outrageous golf course of all time out there. Yep. We have two really good four-man scrambles coming up. I think it's going to be a really exciting time for our YouTube page. And we're going to get them out. I mean, I'm looking at Alex.

We're going to get those out right before hockey season, right, Alex? Yeah, that's right. Poor Alex. He's fucking dialed, dude. We're talking about how miserable. our lives are. Look at that fucking dialed. Then we've got Kyle back home. We've got Kyle back home.

Watching the bills. All 22. Max, right? Max is a new editor. So we've got Brendan, Jake, Alex, Max. Kyle. Kyle. That's the crew behind me.

That's the crew that's going to be pumping these videos out like you wouldn't believe. We've got four-man scramble against the Islanders. Four-man scramble against Devon Taves, Cal McCar, Landis, God. The old fucking crew. Let's go. Man, I can't wait. I can't wait to meet to meet McCau. dude, I'm gonna...

I can't wait to meet the car. I'm gonna cave. I'm just gonna be... I bet I'm gonna love them. It's like you playing the Rangers for me, right? Yeah, no, the Blackhawks. We hate the Blackhawks. Chicago, St. Louis, obviously, long-term rivalry.

But I will say it's, a lot of it's dependent on, like, the era, and obviously the abs are a problem for us right now. They take you guys out in the playoffs. Yeah, I think the Blues were the only team that really had a chance to beat them this last year. Lost in game six, they were leading with like 10 minutes left in the third. and if it weren't for fucking that asshole took out Benner, our goalie, I really think the Blues could have a serious shot.

The guy, that guy's playing? No, he's on a, where do you go to Calgary now? Who? What's his face? What's his face? Codry. Oh, yeah, he went to Calgary. Did you go to Calgary?

Or Ottawa. I mean, he didn't go to the island. Anyways. Where do you go, Danny? I don't know, Chuck. It's either Calgary out. I think it was Calgary. Anyway, he took out...

He took out Bennington. You're St. Louis, Blue's side. I can never fucking pronounce this guy's name. Kiroo? Cairo. Oh, good. He's signed him for eight years, 65 million. He's a stud.

Kairu? Yeah, Cairo. He's a total stud. Yes, we're playing the abs, which Islanders can, I can like, because they're Eastern Conference, they're kind of my boys. But the abs, that's big for me. That's like a team. And we're playing, like, the best team in the NHL and the best defensive pair.

We're going to have them on the golf horse and their captain. It's going to be fucking nuts, man. I mean, McCar is a legit. Wayne Gretzky said that he might be like the best player he's seen skate and Canada LePucketticoe ever. How old is he roughly? 23. Oh, let's go.

We're playing. Bro, he's... Got some youth. He's like, his clips on Twitter go like viral, viral for all the stuff he does. Is that the really, really viral goal I saw last year? He did like a spin and like everyone was like, what the fuck is that? It goes 100 miles an hour, did this spin thing and then sniped short corner. He's a defenseman.

Bobby Orr. How good is he at golf do we know? We'll see. Fuck. Dude, we're playing the team that legitimately is probably going to take out my favorite sports team and like the only sports team I truly move for every

year. They're our biggest problem. Fuck. So yeah, we've got two good hockey four-minute scrambles leading into an off-season. Hopefully we can get some good golfers going too. So it's good. The format scramble's back now.

Yep. We're back. It's back. We'll see if we can get a win tomorrow. We got a lot of travel. Hopefully we make it through it. and then we'll be at the President's Cup next time. Yeah,

wow. It really does feel so far away. I'm like staring into the abyss right now. It's just less than a week away. It's less than a week. Tiger's going to be there, you think? I think he'll be there. He loves a team competition.

That makes me excited. Really tough out there. Oh. Really, really tough. It's really. I can't wait to see it. I can't wait. He's posted pictures from this fucking Nexus thing,

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Also, I believe, to make the cut at the Sopen T68 last year. You've been through a lot of it with the golf over the last couple years, grinding, making it. What's, you know, what's life like right now as someone who's been, you know, you did, obviously, Air Force Academy, five years of service, grinding trying to make it and now here you are you're in napa you described it a little bit the feeling but are you trying to hold back a little bit of the excitement of like hell yeah i'm on the bjutor right now no we're i mean it's definitely exciting we're thankful to be here you know it's it's been awesome it's been a great journey and and i've had great people around me to make it possible but you know going up through military time looking at my buddies and peers who i played college

golf with an amateur golf against you know seeing them make it it makes you it makes you hungry to get out here and do some damage, right? And it's, you know, the last three years of playing professional golf kind of working out through BGA Tour Canada that was played in the States because of COVID. And then Corn Ferry Tour and now the BGA Tour, you know, thankful to be here, thankful to be able to be on a stage where we can do some good damage and, you know, just excited. We're excited. I think we'll be excited for a long time.

Talk to me about the decision to go Air Force. Obviously, as a golfer, a really good golfer, that's probably not the most traditional route if you want to play on the PGA tour clearly you're the first guy what all went into that decision what you know you know you're going to have to do service afterwards you know that maybe playing Colorado and the whole deal is not the same as going to an ASU or Oklahoma State or whatever what all went into that decision for you you know it was really coming out of high school I was pretty raw so I did get recruited to a number of this like kind of the smaller schools at the time in Texas the U of Texas tech that kind of deal I grew up being a big a big

big University Texas fan. And that's where I wanted to go play. And I planned they had a walk-on program at the time. They didn't have any scholarships available because there's a kid named Jordan's beat that was coming up after me. And so they, you know, they didn't have any scholarships available at the time. So I plan to do this walk-on program. But at the end of the day, you know, I was thinking about it like the last week I had to commit to one of the schools. And I had gone through the Air Force process. So most people don't know like application of the Air Force takes about a year and a half. It's quite the process. So I had gone through that, had been accepted, and, you know, didn't plan on going there at all. But last week, I was like, well, if I go to Air Force, you know,

I'm not going to take on any debt. I'll come out. I'll have a job out. And honestly, I wasn't thinking about playing professional golf at that point. I was just thinking about trying to make the first tournament, you know, compete at professional and college golf and trying to do my best in college golf. So I ended up making that decision had no idea what I was getting myself into. I didn't have any friends or family that went to the Air Force. I got my butt kicked for about a year. What are those first like couple weeks of, because, you know, our first weeks of school were just like, you know, drinking and nothing serious. I can imagine that the first couple of years, the whole thing was a whole thing was a complete show. I can imagine that the first month at the Air Force

Academy is a little different. Yeah, you're in basic training and rewind. So back to my recruiting trips. I took all five recruiting trips. I went on my recruiting trips by myself, you know, so I kind of got the full experience at these colleges. And Air Force was the only one where I went there and people were sitting in the golf locker room. They were freshmen at the time. Freshman, you know, kind of take the brunt of it. I said, whatever you do, the love of God, don't come here.

You know, this is not a good place. It's not fun here. And, you know, back now, one of my buddies that is actually a mutual friend of ours. He's from L.A. area. He's now a Thunderbird pilot. So the guy that told me not to go there is not flying for the Air Force demo team. doing all kinds of aerobatics and stuff like that, living the life. So he loves it now.

So fast forward like 10 years and we all like it. But it's a really, or more than 10, maybe 12, I guess. But it was an awesome time. And then to answer your question going through the first, you know, three weeks at Air Force, you go straight into basic training. So week three, we're living in a tent out in a place called Jacks Valley in the dirt and just, you know, getting it every day. So it was a, and it wasn't, there was an alcohol,

I don't know alcohol involved. There was some water, probably little electrolytes and a lot of dirt. So it was, yeah, it was awesome. Different, different college experience, but, you know, I wouldn't trade it for anything. Tell me about the Air Force Swagger. I mean, were you, when you, when you get like, background, no, I said we're from. That's all right.

Don't worry. I mean, this is not. Look at us. Exactly. We're a disaster. Tell me about the Air Force swagger. I mean, I know you're going through basic training and you're glad. Would you finally get those.

moments to go out or go out of the town or whatever. I mean, especially when you're at college, you carry some some pretty serious swagger with you guys when you go out. Oh yeah. You know, at this. Yes. The short answer is yes. So you don't go out. You don't go out often. Most of your, you know, you know, are pretty controlled a lot when you can't leave and especially be on a golf team. That weekend is the time they're like really grinding it after it. But all that leads up to like, you know, a few weekends that you can go out. And we had some guys on our team that had friends at the University of Denver and, you know, it just, yes. The answer is yes. These weekends that you do go out were kind of like blowout type deals, right? Where you go out and we all had a little bit of money

because, you know, you get paid like a stipend to go to Air Force and you're not collecting any debt or anything like that. So financially it's a great deal. But at the time, you know, these new, you know, college performance deals were not in effect. So we thought we were, you know, on top of the world and just live in large enough to ski in Colorado everything revolves around the mountains in the winter time that's most of the time that we had off so we ski trips were you know a big thing and uh we only had a couple guys get hurt which was fine you know they were they could suck it up and so it's it was good i can imagine man like up in like breckin ridge or something here comes six three two ten you know kai westmoreland with his gear on just on a break just go with a cash there's also

a few Las Vegas trips in there, too. There you go. Yeah, it's not far, is it? No, it's a short Southwest flight to Las Vegas from Denver. I read that you made the decision your junior year that you wanted to play professional golf. So at that point where you kind of already locked into going right into service after school, could you have deferred?

Or like, what was that process like? No, so as soon as you hit your first day of class, your junior year at the academy in that fall, you are committed. So we call committed, you're committed through the last two years and through your service time. So if you don't fly, you have a five-year service time after school just by going there, right? The deal is they pay for your school, they pay for your college, give you a great education,

give you all these, you know, access to all these flying programs and everything throughout the summer. And then you kind of pay it back to your service time. But you do have a job there. So, you know, like I said, financially it's a great deal. But you are committed your first day of your junior year for five years. So when I decided that I was going to play professional golf as a, you know, afterwards, as a junior, I was already committed in that, in that stream, right? And if you're, if you fly, if you're pilot, it's a 12 year service commitment afterwards.

So they invest so much in pilot training that, you know, there's a return on that investment that, you know, the Air Force has to get. What are your options when you show up for what you're going to study, what you're going to major in at Air Force? I'm an idiot. I just think like, oh, Air Force, you're there to throw in a plane, you're going to fly and you're going to take out bad guys. It's going to be great.

That's like, that's the only thing I think about. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. Exactly. Just show you top gun. Everyone's there to be, you know, in theory, like an engineer is kind of what the school is about, right? No matter, there are a ton of different majors. You can go English.

You can go like political science. You could do a business major. You could do any engineering you could think of. You can do like history. No matter what major you are, though, it's all a bachelor of science because the core classes are all the basic math, physics, chemistry, and engineering. So everyone has to take those classes and then your majors kind of come about, you know, major's class kind of comes about like kind of later in your junior year, which is a little different than I think a normal school from what, from what I hear, they start getting sprinkled

in a little bit earlier. But there's all kinds of things you can do. The predominant major is aeronautical engineering. That's what they want you to do or astro. So like, you know, space, you know, airspace, cyberspace, used to be the mission, right? And since the space force has kind of has split off and has become a new entity. But, that was the mission when I was there. So aeronautical engineering and Astro were the two big majors. I was a business major because I was trying to play a lot of golf. And my brain works a little bit better on the business side of things.

It's been crunching the crunching of Calc three numbers. Same. So I saw that you were in the financial services department. Is that right? Yeah. So I know you did five years of service. Financial management. Financial management.

So walk us through. What does that actually look like? we're having some technical difficulties here. I'm not sure if you can hear us. But what does that look like? Yeah. Yeah, financial management, you know, it's basically that you're typical like budgeting forecasting, right?

It's the complete opposite. Your civilian, world war companies are like actually trying to make money. You're trying to spend the money that the government gives you in an effective and efficient manner and in plan for it for years to come. So I kind of did that for about two and a half years and I had to pay dues, right? It's like six months of being a glorified secretary. glorified secretary, we called an exec. But you basically work for the commander and you field all of his emails and, you know, get some coffee and it's basically your, you know,

controlling schedule, right? It's a glorified secretary. But, but everyone's got to do it. It's a, it helps you out. It helps you get to where you want to go the next one. If the commander of the base gives you a good recommendation, pretty much pick your job. And that was the goal. So I, I did that and then went back to the Air Force Academy to teach for my last two, which was awesome. But I was stationed in Biloxi, Mississippi for about half a year. Big spot. You know, I had pretty low expectations and they blew them out of the water. I actually liked Biloxi quite a bit.

And then I went to Charleston, South Carolina for about two and a half years. And then back to the academy for another two, two and a half years to teach. So it was awesome. Just during this, you know, your service five years, what's your, what's your availability, accessibility to golf, practicing golf playing golf grinding i played some a few mondays each year and i played a couple try to play like one or two state open type tournaments but you know the mission came first and that was the deal and we knew that during my time you know thankful for my time in and in and when i was in charleston got to travel a little bit so got to go tour around africa three times and it was uh you know there were

some good places some bad places but a lot of great people i met so thankful for that but the mission was the mission was first. And I did get through a few Mondays, so that was fun, kind of navigating, you know, playing, you know, saying I was going to be gone for a day and then playing a week, I probably could have navigated a little bit better with my commanders. But, you know, saying you're going to be gone for a day, it seems a little bit better. And then asking for forgiveness was, you know, it seems like, at the time seemed like a good idea. So playing the Mondays and just a couple days a week, you get 30 days to leave.

So I try to use at least a couple weeks of those to play some golf all I was in. Yeah. That's amazing to me because you think like those years. prime years, you know, in your low mid-20s of like, that's when the Jordan Spieth, who took your spot at Texas is like out there winning majors and here you are, you know, you're focused on the mission. I'll be the first one to thank you for your service on the show, by the way. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your, I don't make a mockery of it. I was going to do it at the end. It's not a joke to me.

It's not a joke. No. What was your favorite, like, favorite, most interesting or surprising place that you visited that you saw, that you're like, wow, this place is crazy. Great. Oh, man. So we were en route to Niger, so our Niger, not a great spot. I've been there before. You know, it's, there's a reason, like, there are no resources there. It's just a tough place to be. But I went to sleep in the back of the plane. So I would ride in the back of the C-17s and you can have like, put up like a hammock or you can basically string up however you want to, you know, travel there. My mode was a hammock and went to sleep in-root and woke up and looked out, you know, there's like two. little peep holes on the side, right? You get two in the front, two in the back. But it's a massive plane and there's just two little holes to look through your side. Walk up there and look through these holes and see like beach on the one side. I was like, holy cow. And so I ran to the other side of the plane, you know, it's like probably 10 yards. Ran to the other looked out and there was a mountain. I was like, holy hell. Like, where are we? Where are we right now? So I ran up to the cockpit

it's like upstairs and they're like, oh, we're in Sudda Bay, Greece. So we're on the island of Crete in Greece. So we got the inverted mid-flight. And I thought I was going to be in Niger and ended up in Greece. So that was the biggest win I had, you know, probably of my entire military time. We're known for having an opinion on this show. That's, that's true. We're not usually spot on. That's, oh, no, it says we are usually spot on.

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the corn ferry i did have like a little bit of leeway um by like a couple shots right but the difference between like T-19 and T-40 is a little like two shots, you know, so, so it was on the number. Three, you know, three, three shots go another way and, and you don't play in the U.S. Open and you're not on the PGA Tour. It's just, it's just wild. Your journey's been so around the world, and it came down to, you know, this far three times. Yeah, I'll tell you that being on the number at, you know, either Q School or Corn Ferry finals is not the spot to be. You got to, you got to play a little bit better and not be on that number because after you know the two hours after I finished last week um were not that fun they were they were stressful and I it they were fun you know it was it was a great

time and I'm glad to be on this side of it but I wish I would have taken you know just done my done my job and played better and then it wouldn't have been on that number but you know thankful that it's turned out the way it has and it wouldn't trade it you know when you when you put yourself in those situations where it's a pressure pressure pack situation and you and you do form. I thought I needed to make a birdie on the last hole of Q school or of corn fair tour finals. And I did. Turns out I didn't. But, you know, just being in a situation where like, hey, you're back against the wall. You need to do this and getting it done. You know, it's all buildings. Do you feel like you moving forward like and kind of build on that? Do you feel like you have an

advantage in these situations because of your background? Like you've seen some shit that these guys haven't seen. You've been through some stuff that these guys haven't been through. Do you feel like like when the going gets tough, your background helps you? I think, you know, the military, like, the biggest benefit that I gave me his perspective, right? And kind of the knowledge of like who you are. You know, so many of these guys come out really early fresh out of college and, you know, they can barely can tie their shoes, right? And, you know, they're coming out.

And country club. No one knows you out there. Yeah. I would argue that no one really knows who you are. Like, who you are, what's important to you at 20 years old. Right. So I got, I got hit in the face with some perspective and some life. experience that I think, you know, I can, I kind of use to, you know, drive me and kind of power me.

And I don't, I don't get super up or down, but I'm pretty dedicated to the day and day out, kind of put one foot in front of the other and just trying to get better. And that's what I like to do. And I think that's what the military, you know, taught me in a great way is, you know, you have the same goal, but you know, you got to put forward and, you know, try to, try to accomplish that mission today. And so that's kind of what I focus on and then just let, you know, what plays out play out. What uh, so you're, I mean, it's only Tuesday of your, you know, first event this season, but what, I'm sure you've noticed a few things already of like, okay, this is different now the route on the PGA tour versus a corn fairy tour. What stuck out? Yeah, well,

first fans were out on a Monday. People are there. That people are here on Monday. And then, you know, the whole, the media around it is, it's, it's truly the show, like the, the big show, right? You know, you're here. There's, you know, a bunch of media support around it is incredible and I'm thankful for, you know, all these people, all the opportunities I've had this week. But, you know, getting to, getting the PGA tour, it's obviously, you know, I'm going to tour and people, you know, kind of, I mean, I think there's the support around tours is crazy. Like the amount of people that it takes to put on this golf tournament are nuts in comparison to the to the Corn Ferry tour. And I can't be, you know, thankful enough for.

all the volunteers and the work been going out this for weeks to make this, you know, make an event like this happen. What's your prep look like for a normal week, you know, trying to treat it like a normal week like this? How many practice rounds, you know, you've been, do you take course tours leading out? Have you been there before? What's just like a typical prep week look like for you? Yeah. So I, you know, I won't be in a Wednesday pro am. The Wednesday pro ams to go off like prior year FedEx Cup, right?

So none of the guys out of the Corn Prairie Tour category this year will be in pro-am. So on, you know, Monday, Tuesday, this week I played 9-9 and played the front yesterday. I played, I'll play the back, play the back today. On Saturday, we got out here because we were at, you know, new player orientation. We had a few hours. So got out, grabbed a moon bag out of the caddy barn and grabbed five gloves, went and played four-year-olds, you know, just kind of get some blood flow and enjoy it.

And Carson Young and I had a, you know, our $5 match went to $10. So it's a big jump here. Big. You guys started playing for more when you got your tour cards. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And then, you know, guacamole on the Chipotle bowls, that's Victor Hovins said. No, it's, it's great. It's, you know, I play 9 to 9.

That's typically all I do because I like to do a full practice. Every day I go on, you know, trackman has kind of changed golf. but I go on trackman and just kind of like calibrate like numbers like where my wedges are how far my wedges are going how far each club of bag is going in the morning versus the afternoon. I like to play one nine stretch early, you know, eight, nine and then I like to play the other one like two. So I can get kind of both, you know, kind of both sets of numbers because the weather here has been, it looks like it's going to be pretty, you know, consistent throughout the week. Kind of 60s. It's perfect. 60s, you know, in the morning and then low 60s in the morning.

and then, you know, 85 in the afternoon. So the ball will, you know, back to we go probably like three, four percent farther in the afternoon, which is great. So I kind of get those numbers. I, you know, plot those. I don't adjust off sea level or anything. I just kind of normalized to where we're at and go about it. Your goal in golf, you know, I got a nice piece of advice from a good buddy and a great player. He said, you know, play your practice rounds in the afternoon because that's when you're trying to play three days of the week.

So it's a, you know, it's a pretty good. pretty good deal. And if you play in the afternoon, you missed about 90% of the, of the crew or just the whole, you know, circus that is here, all the players, all the managers, all the caddies, all the, you know, teachers. So I try to go out and tour reps and try to go out and late when I can just do my thing and get around there in a more efficient amount of time. I think this is the first year of the 500 grand minimum. Is that right? Yeah. So if the listeners don't know that the PJ Tour is now guaranteeing $500,000 for everyone basically with a tour card. Your goal is obviously to make way more than that.

If you're going to keep your card or finish in the top 125, you've got to be north of a million. But is that big to have that safety net to know that no matter what, there's 500K coming your way for getting that card? Yeah, it's a great perk. You know, for it to come out this year, like, you know, we'll call it what it is. It got expedited by Live. And, you know, I think this was in process for a while. and the fact that it came out this year is huge. It makes a difference for a lot of these guys, you know,

for golf. So they're kind of really like, it's a game changer. You know, it makes a difference. We all get that, you know, on Tuesday, today. So it's a big deal for a lot of guys and a big deal for me. They give you the money now and then it kind of like is that what you, sorry, we're having a little bit of problems, but they give you the money today? Today, Tuesday.

So you're getting five. you're getting 500 Gs today. Yes, sir. How does that feel? Not the worst day. Yeah, not the worst day. I'm getting paid to talk to you guys. That's really interesting.

I didn't know that's how I did it. No, I didn't know that either. Yeah, it's something with, you know, like the way the company structured financially, you know, it's not a traditional 5013C. So they had to do it all once or else if, you know, they would be concerned. considered like a kind of like a for profit type thing. So they give it all at once and then we take it and, you know, it's awesome.

It's a great perk to have. The perks of being on this tour, I've never been better. So I'm thankful to have got my card this year. You get your courtesy card this week? No courtesy cars in Napa, but we'll happily get a rental car. The Avis line is great here.

You can do the fly in the San Francisco or Sacramento. And it was great. So shout out to Avis for doing a great job this. week. I didn't realize that 500 grand came in one piece. If you win a tournament for 1.2 million this week or something, whatever it's going to be, he gets 700,000? Yeah, how does it work? So your first 500 come out of that? Correct, yeah. All your on-course winnings go, you know, basically to that until you increase the threshold. Got it. That makes sense.

So if I was going to, you know, 49,000 this week, I'd get it. I get it, I get 9,000. Got it. So it's honestly, it's a, it's a great deal. You know, thanks, you know, thanks for the PGA Tour from doing it. It's funny. It's like if you're just a degenerate, like you might just go spend your 500, you know? I hope because there's there, I hope people don't

go and spend it in a financial manager. I mean, it says like, hey, there's going to be quite a bit of taxes taken out of that. So don't go blow it up. Yeah, that's right. Taxes going to. If you had to rate a PGA Tour orientation experience one through 10, what would you, what would you rate it on a

fun level? Cool. Well, it depends on who you are. There's a few guys that had a pretty good time that are moving slow this week. They do a great job of, you know, it's an orientation, but it's kind of a celebration at the same time. And you're doing it with

all the guys that just came up for a trip where they played with all the years. So it's kind of accumulation of that. And they did a really good job, right? I think in any organization if you kind of give guys insight into, you know, how the PGA works, where, you know, where funding comes from, how to be successful, kind of give people, you

know, some buy-in with, you know, like an organization. I think that's how you create loyalty. And as, you know, at the time right now, there is competition in the golf world. I think they, I think they did a great job with it. Um, is there filler in a two-day orientation? Yes. Like you, no one is going to go to a convention or whatever for two. There's not, I'm probably with power. But, but I would say for the most part, it was a great experience. They, you know, was that they took us to like, you know, two wineries in Napa, right? Like it, what spouses were invited. There, you know, it's pretty, we're pretty fortunate.

And, you know, I can't, I can't say anything bad about it. Is the goal this year, just keeping the card? What's the goal going into the first season? Win every tournament. Yeah, yeah. So I typically keep my goals pretty close, but, you know, the goal is not to get to the PGA tour. The goal is to win on the PGA tour.

So we got to keep pushing and get a little bit better at areas that we can. And, you know, just keep pushing until we do that. Getting to the PGA Tour is a huge stepping stone in that, you know, being able to play more than like one or two events a year that you might have qualified for is huge. But we're going to keep putting forward and try to keep their investment in our process and, you know, see if we can't win out here. That'd be great. God, I like that.

Do you think, do you think, like, Kyle, was more? of the U.S. Air Force Academy is the least likely guy to go to live in the world? I got to be up there pretty high. Just a non-starter for you. Don't even come and ask me. I mean, you know, I think I blame nobody for the decisions they make, right? I think, you know, there's so many good things that go from either staying or going or whatever, whatever you decide. I just think that it's important that if there are repercussions and you look at those repercussions and you, you know, you see them and you acknowledge them, then, you know, you got to live with them, right?

And so if you go there, go there. If you're here, here, but to be honest, you know, the world of golf is, it's a exciting place for me right now. live you know live golf is okay it's it's changed in lives however the pGA tour is taking you know some pretty good steps to make sure that it's life changing as well so don't blame anybody but to answer your question I'm probably you know probably pretty high on that least likely list yeah you got to think so uh well look how we appreciate it

it's it's very very cool obviously you're at the pGA tour I like seeing the like stars in your eyes you know you're a clear early like I'm out here, I'm doing it. You got a whole season ahead of you. So, yeah, we appreciate taking time. I know it's early too in California. I think it's like you started at 8 a.m. there with us. So we appreciate that. Yeah, if I'm on, if I'm not up and moving at 8 a.m., there's, you know, there should be a problem there. Yeah, you probably woke up at like five for like 10 years, right? Yeah, except for I just missed the link on this podcast. So, you know, I can wake up early, but if I'm not tech savvy enough, it doesn't do me any good.

Incredible. Yeah, we appreciate it, man. you very much for the time good luck congratulations on on everything on making it this far and yeah hopefully lots to come go USA I appreciate it Joe thanks for doing this and go air force beat Army sink Navy right I love it so thank you Kyle appreciate it