Fore Play - Sean Foley + David Woods, The Writer Cup, and Cool Teenagers

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Big week at Barstool Golf. The first ever Writer Cup golf matches are being played out with a dozen Barstool personalities in North Carolina. And we’re joined (01:02:01-02:06:29) by Sean Foley, former swing coach of Tiger Woods, and his partner David Woods, coach to many Tour pros. Sean and David created the ProSENDR, a swing aid that’s being used by the likes of Rory, Cam Smith, and many others. We dive deep into golf swing thoughts, key fundamentals, and mindsets that lead to better golf. Before the interview, the crew chats Travelers Championship, Keegan winning his hometown event, a dramatic finish at Baltusrol for the Women’s PGA, and Trent and Frankie getting swarmed by a pack of hardcore hockey teenagers.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot. His name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butterknives because he always knives to cross the green.

Rock 100. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. we bring you in. I was like,

hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs a hundred. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 at these yesterday.

He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that? It's ain't a hobby. Foreplay presented by Barstool Sports. It's almost 4th of July. I was just thinking about that today.

It's almost, we're very close to it being 4th of July, which is the hardest summertime. So it's crazy how fast things go. A lot going on. We've got a very big show today. Keegan Bradley, just one.

He's a friend of the program. Barstle Sports's very own, the People's Golfer 2.0. Jim Renner was the first one, and then he basically lost his card, so Dave had to find somebody new. He grabbed Keegan Bradley. I think Keegan Bradley was the first professional golfer

ever be on the rundown. He was on right after Jordan Speeth collapsed at the 2016 Masters. I'll never forget that. So big win for Keegan. We're going to get to that. We've been to the Travelers Championship. It's a phenomenal tournament.

There's a lot to get to on that front. We've got a huge interview on this show. We've got an hour. with Sean Foley, who we've had on before. Tret and I interviewed him years ago. It was a lot about obviously Tiger Woods. He was Tiger Woods, a swing coach in 2013 when he got back to number one in the world.

And David Woods. These guys are both very renowned swing instructors, so it's a lot of golf talk. I think people are going to love it. Anybody listens to this show that plays golf is going to love it. They have the pro sender, which is their swing aid that Rory McElroy picked up and uses and has gone all over the internet with the fact that he's

using it. I saw Cam Smith was using it this past week. They posted some videos. So we had these guys on. David Woods has ties with Taylor made guys. The Taylor made guys love them. It was a phenomenal chat. They tell all kinds of good stories. We get into swing thoughts and everything. So we have them on for about an hour. And then we're doing something big this week that I was speaking with Hank a little bit about and he essentially was like, there's no way people aren't going to just know that we're here. And people are going to post stuff. So we're filming an enormous production this week for barstool sports and foreplay um that involves dave big cat part my take in a lot of ways and it's kind of a barstool golf video with big personalities i don't know how much more of that we want to

spill uh but we're all going to be together this week so we're trying to kind of go around film record podcast put them out do interviews early uh so we got a lot going on this week fellas yeah it's the first like um group company mash up on the golf course i think it's been a long time coming we've had this idea for a long time to get everyone in the mix and it's finally happening. It's really great that this is the week. Right in the midst of the busiest schedule that we've ever had in four play history. We're just putting in the biggest video that we'll ever fucking shoot probably and it'll be mega viewed, I think, when this comes out. So it's going to be a great video.

We're all heading down to the Pinehurst area. Riggs you're there now. I think Danny's there also. We all have early flights tomorrow and we're all going to meet you guys down there. and then it's go time. It's like five days of filming. Oh, of course you're. I'm crazy.

I'm very nervous. I'm very nervous. I feel like I'm a big, because I feel like there's the only thing I can do is, is bad. I feel like I, there's expectations of me to play at a certain standard and Kirk Minahan's going to be there. So I feel like, I either play well and people are like, oh, yeah, this guy like is, is like a golfer or I play shit and no one stops like it. Yeah.

You made a bunch of fair points right there. I'll be honest. I'll be honest. I think everyone that's involved in our show feels that way to a degree, right? Of like, we're the golf guys and now we're doing the sport. And even though we talk about it nonstop on this podcast about how we're not good at golf, Dan's the closest thing we have to a legitimate golfer, obviously. But for the most part, like we talk all time about how infuriating it is that we suck at golf.

I think that relates to a lot of people. Yet here we are going to be thrown into the fire with Dave, Big Cat, with all these fucking personalities being like, you guys are the golf guys and we're going to hit horrific shots, left and right and that's all coming our way. So, yeah, it's basically Barstool's version of a Rider Cup like Buddy's trip with the Barstool personalities. It's not everybody. It's not every person you can imagine, but we piece schedules together. We got as many guys, girls, whomever as we possibly could. That made sense that worked scheduling-wise that could get here during this time of year for three or four days. And we're going to film a Rider Cup formatted two-teau.

team golf event with us and with, like I said, some personalities that you're going to hear about that we're going to get into, people that you know from the internet that don't always do shit together. So that's all kind of descending upon this part of the country tomorrow, which is going to be very interesting, I think. Whitney's on vacation, right? We'll just get that out like six months in advance. Ryan Whitney will not be there.

I feel like that's going to be the number one where the hell is spitting chicklets. They are not coming, right? That's not coming. He was invited and he did not show. and he has something else going on. So I wanted to get that out there because you know that's the number one four-pointed invite chicklets guys. They were supposed to be there.

They're supposed to be there. Yep. You know, that was a big part of it. They put out a lot of golf stuff. Obviously, that Whitney's, I think a bigger golfer guy than he is hockey guy at this point. He just plays golf every day,

which is exactly what I would do if I were retired like him and pretty close to what we try to do. But yeah, he's, I think he does like Martha's Vineyard all summer, basically it sounds like. Yeah. I just knew.

that that was going to be overwhelmingly when that comes out. It's like how do we not get Riggs versus Ryan, which is, I mean, eventually will be, after this comes out, that will be like the biggest video of all time. So I mean, like at some point, that's going to have to happen, but it's not this one. It's just not this one. They're not there. No, we would love them for them to be here, obviously. I, you know, I also invited Whitney to be part of the Corn Fairy Tour coverage and he's like,

you know, I would love to. I'm on vacation. All right. I respect. No, I, he's earned. That's what I would discern him. And I made $30 million in the NHL and now had this everything that he's got going. So, yeah, that's a good point.

They won't be here. But it is, it's part of my take. It's us. It's Kirk. Francis is going to be here. Jersey Jerry, who is part of one of the funniest videos we've ever released him and Frankie playing golf last week. That was incredible.

So, yeah, it's going to be amazing. I'm wildly intrigued to see how it goes. Like we've, we sort of live in this world where we're removed from the bar stool sphere a lot of the time. And now we're just kind of just, we've like relocated it and then thrown ourselves into the middle of it as the guys with a lot of attention because this is kind of our, our world, the golf world. So yeah, it'll be interesting. There's going to be a draft. There's going to be all kinds of stuff. That's going to be very.

It's going to be fine. I'm sure it'll be totally fine. No, I'm excited to get down there and play just to see how it all goes. The draft I'm very excited for to see how that, you know, it's it's Dave and Dan, as one would probably guess. So those are the two captains and we'll just see what happens when we get down there. I think it's going to be a great, great bunch of videos for sure. Yeah. So that's going on this week.

So I think we'll probably have on Thursday show, we'll probably have some folks from Barstool that will be on the show. I imagine Kirk. I talked to Kirk asked him if he would like to be on it. He said absolutely. I imagine Kirk will be on the show. Him and Dan have a very interesting history. It's so one-sided. It's not even a history.

It's one guy just chirping at me. And I've literally never responded. And yet the narrative is that we have this long and complicated history. This is a fucking ridiculous place to work. This is a ridiculous place to work. That's got to be the one thing. And I'm sure there's actually a bunch that you didn't have going on at Golf Digest, where it was just.

Yes, no. I know there's probably a bunch. Calling me out. Yeah, you can speak to whichever ones there are. But like this one in particular, you probably didn't have at Golf Digest, but it sounds like you're going to be in the same room with them this week. And it sounds like you're probably going to be on the golf course at the same time as them this week. So very interested to see how that goes.

Look, I'm going to be as nice as I possibly can to all these people. And we'll see. We'll see it with the chips fall where they may. You know, all you can do is do your best. You and Kirk, I believe, have been together twice. Right. Mini golf and at the Masters tournament. Didn't you see each other at the Masters tournament? The Masters, he came out to me. I was in the media center doing my job and he came up and gave me a handshake. And it was very stand-up guy. And then he kept going. So I think there's a mutual respect there. I would be all class. That guy's all class. All class, baby. That's what I expected. You know that we have been a part of this very important family, very important family. It's called the Chevy EV family. It's electric vehicles for everyone everywhere. It's everything you comb to know and love, sleek, amazing designs, iconic.

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entire evy line electric vehicles again that chevy dot com and go learn more uh frankie you look skinny what you look skinny i appreciate that it's working thank you it's it's a noticeable effect because for those that don't know he's got a wedding coming up and we've been on the road for like a month straight and he's been abstaining from ice cream and sugars very nice of you wow Dude, you look good, I think. I genuinely, it was one of the things that came to my mind when we all hopped on the Zoom. Well, yeah, it's been a hard, you know, we've been on the road like crazy. We had four classics and five days.

We've been jumping around. We've been filming a lot of stuff, Barstall golfs, breaking 90s. It's been pretty much. And then we had LACC, obviously. So it was a lot. And being on the road, you just eat junk food and fucking ice cream and snickers and Reese's. And I said to myself three weeks ago, or I guess I said three weeks leading up to the wedding, I will not touch, I will not touch sugar.

So, and I think I'll, once the wedding comes, I will have not touch sugar for a month. It's been two weeks. I got two weeks to go. It makes a big difference, man. Like usually at like night right now after we do this podcast, I would sit down and just eat like chocolate and popcorn probably. I would sit there. I'd watch a movie.

I would eat one thing of popcorn and one thing of chocolate, one thing of chocolate, and I would just go for an hour. And I stopped that and hopefully, just to tighten things up, I'm already skinny. I got noodle arms. I got a pathetic body, but my face was getting so fat right here. And I didn't want those photos. So it's hard. You showed some real willpower in Nashville.

We all went out to dinner. Shit. Well, I mean, dude, we all went out to dinner. The, the, the, the, the, the barcel classic crew, just a man seen and his whole crew and a couple of our guys and me and Frankie. Beautiful. Big Rob. Big Rob was on it. Rob was there.

My buddy, Big Rob, Rob, who's in Nashville now. He met us for dinner. So yeah. That was, yeah. So we had dinner. And then what did you guys fucking do? It was in like this food hall court area that's right off Broadway and you walk down the stairs from the restaurant that we were at and there's just a bunch of things going on, a bunch of restaurants, a bunch of things you can try. And there was this place, Hattie Jains that is like a creamery, an ice cream place.

And all of us, every single one of us got a huge ice cream cone or a milkshake or whatever. And Frankie Borelli just stood in the corner and watched all of us eat a bunch of ice cream. And you did not get any. It was an incredible display of wellpower. I must say. Big Rob got a fucking ice cream parfe. That was ice cream, brownie, cookie, ice cream on top and then whipped cream with chocolate sauce on top.

Everyone got milkshakes, double malted. It was hard, man. I actually felt like I had the shakes. It was really funny. Me and Rob were looking at you at one point. And you were, and Trent was at the window about to go order. And he was bouncing back and forth. And I said to Rob that he reminded.

me of a hockey player on the bench as the national anthem is being sung where like you it's that sway and if you look at a bench on in a hockey game they're all swaying and they're kind of tapping their feet left and right left and right left and right left and right and they're kind of moving and Trent was in an athletic stance about to get his whatever peanut butter cookie dough ice cream and that I've never seen you more in your element than at that creamery it was very very funny you were moving you were really moving I was excited it's a place that I had never seen what they do is you can they've got all of the ice cream down there and the barrels that you can pick from but what you can also do is take you can pick something and then turn it into a milkshake they'll just

turn it into a full blown milkshake so that got me very excited i think that's probably why i was on on my on my tippy toes because i was excited to get a ice cream flavored milkshake and yeah it was really really good uh speaking of hockey guys i ran into just a train of hockey guys this past weekend it was insane. I go to this steakhouse in Scottsdale on Friday night meeting somebody there. I'm standing at the very front. You check it in

and the hostess is like getting everything together, getting ready, taking a table. And I just like, I'm standing right next to the door to checking the whole deal. And then all of a sudden like just one after the other, after the other, after the other, like eight, a train of like eight guys that just look

like the same guy, hockey guy. They all dressed the same. They all have the same like body that like hockey like body and size where they're like athletic but not like overly big like basketball players or but and just same hair same fucking they're all wearing like the the lulu lemon like jaw you know they're all wearing the same fucking thing and and then eventually i see like brady she and i'm like we kind of make eye contact and i'm like dude and then like jimmy vizzi and like vene and like just like five guys all of a sudden that we just know from the hockey world.

And it was a Friday night in Scottsdale. I think they had all gotten there like Thursday. So they were like in one. I hadn't had like a drink yet all day. But I catch up with these guys. They're having a great time, whatever. And then today on my flight from Phoenix to Raleigh, Brady Shea was on my flight. And it was.

So I like chit chatted with him and caught up. And we were talking about all about Minnesota and the classic and the whole deal. And I was trying to picture like, because you guys just mentioned, you guys had four and last week, like, we've already done 10 or 12 this year. And I was like, I don't even know when that Minnesota classic was. But saw just the most like 18 hockey guys in a row or 20 guys. Crazy. They were there for Vinny's a bachelor party.

And I can't even imagine that career that was there. He's actually getting married in the same exact day as me, which was a shame because I really do like Vinny. And I didn't want to have to share the day with him. You know who getting married the day before you is Corey Kispert, who, it's a big wedding week. Wow. It's a big wedding week. Yeah.

I will say I like, I oddly picked this date so that like a couple of my hockey buddies could gum to it. Like I knew it was off season, you know, October weddings are sometimes nicer, early springs nicer. It's going to be a dead of the heat in the summer. So sorry for all the people that are coming, but I needed Brock Nelson there. You know what I mean? Like I just needed those guys there.

Couldn't, couldn't not have them there. Speaking of hockey guys, we were in Chicago and I don't think we've done a podcast since then, have we? Maybe not. I don't even know anymore how many times we've traveled. but um we Trent and I were playing at the Glenn club and we stumbled upon these hockey bros that were they were high school hockey bros they saw Trent out there did we talk about this I feel like we've said this story so many times no so I don't think I don't think I've heard Trent's up on the tea

box and he hears what's Trent daddy what's up you legend you absolute savage so I'm like no ways it's happening right and they walk up they're like you ledge and they're they got these big fucking legs and they're they're wearing lulu lemon shorts and like loose t-shirts. They call it to me, they go, Frankie Borrelli, one bite, everyone knows the rulesies. I'm like, no way are these guys real. puts his arm around me. He goes, Frankie Burelli, fucking Davey buckets.

Like, is this actually happening right now? Every word out of these guys' mouth was straight out of a cartoon. It was like that show Shorzy. It was like that, who's that guy on Instagram that really he does like the Zimiter Tarts? Freezer Tarts. So, Frisor Tarts.

Yeah, Zimbabwe's. So Freezer Tarp is from that town that the Glen Club is. So I think either he's either he talks like that in real life or he's making fun of all the kids he's ever grown up with because it's exactly the same way. They were just these guys where I've laughed about them when they said one bite everyone knows the rulesies. Like that was like them approaching us. Like Frankie Borelli one bite everyone knows the rulesies. Like is that you're you're speaking in another language.

They're like Trent Ryan with the Magnies on the dome piece like wearing fucking glasses and shit. It's just like you can't even like it's a different. language. It's legitimately a different language. Nobody less prepared for that moment than me. Like, these are high school kid, like cool, good looking high school hockey player. They all looked like Matt Barzel. And I'm just like, and I'm in my 30s now and I got these three guys coming up to me calling me Savage. And I'm just like, I don't know what to do. Dude, he put his arm around me and just under his breath just goes, legend. As we're taking the photo. I'm trying to get a yardage on a part three and they're like, what's up, dude? and I'm like, oh, no, I'm in trouble. They were nice guys.

They were really nice guys. He goes, where's Davey buckets tonight? I don't know. I don't know. It's also like teenagers before these kids even speak the way they are, are the most intimidating people on the planet. Oh, they're so much cooler than us. Oh, and then the best part, they go back to their carts and they're just ripping those

like skateboard golf carts. Yeah. You know those like, they're like razors almost or electric razors. Danny doesn't even know what I'm talking about. That's how cool these things are. I mean, I've never seen anything like it. And they're just like, see you bros and just fucking skateboarded down the fucking fairways. I played I played nine wolves today with a kid.

Walking only. I played golf today. I played golf today with an 18 year old kid who's going to Rollins College to play golf next year. And he was also just way, way cooler than you. So I got punched in the face at a club in the Bahamas. I was like, since when are 18 year olds the most intimidating motherfuckers thing out? Dude, we went to that. top golf event in LA and it was really cool.

Taylor made and 2K event. And there was a dude walking around with just a black eye. It was just the craziest black eye I've ever seen in my entire life. Like he had just gotten socked 12 hours before it and it was just completely bruised. And he wore it to the show. I mean, he wore it to this entire event. It's a cool thing. And everyone was like, that's sick, dude.

Like no one even asked him what it was. It's fashionable to get punched in the face. I don't know what I would have to do in life to get punched. in the face, but it's not going to happen. And these kids are pointing themselves in, these kids are pointing themselves in positions where they're getting punched in the face. I think when you're young, there are way more opportunities to get punched in the face. You're just out there.

You guys are, everyone's filled with testosterone and hormones. And like one guy bumps another and somebody gets punched in the face. It's those opportunities. If you are finding yourself in those opportunities nowadays at our ages, you got to grow up a little bit. But I think when you're 18, 19, 20, 21, I, I absolutely. Certainly when I was at age, people could find themselves getting punched in the face just because guys are filled to the gills with testosterone. But we were surrounded by very cool stuff at that Taylor Made 2K party.

So cool. Yeah. Made in a Nate shot. Nate shot was there. Nicest guy on the planet. Absolutely nicest guy on the planet. It's his fiance, right? They haven't gotten married yet.

I think we met his fiance. I think that's right. Just the nicest people. Day before you. What? I think he's getting married the day before you as well. I think it's just a jam-pack day. I think it was right around that same time, too.

Crazy. Absolutely crazy. So, yeah, no, that event was great. 2K knows how to put on an event. My God. That guy's so nice that I thought he was trolling me via DMs for like years when he would just or tweet. Remember when nature I would just tweet at me that like, love rigs and the four play.

I'd be like, I would ask Bush, be like, why is this guy making fun of me on Twitter? That's not. It's just not very nice guy. He put up a great, like, long, long tweet. I think it was yesterday about golf. This is it. This is what he says. This is what Nate Schatz says. Friday morning I went out to the golf course and shot in 94. Yesterday I shot at 79. Golf is maddening. I've broke 80 twice this month. And both times, the recipe for success was simple. Club up on every shot and feel like I'm taking a half swing. Ball striking is immediately better and I'm not killing myself. I went through a bad slump over the last few weeks. And the only way I found out is by doing less. I've spent this entire year trying to prove to myself that I can hit the ball longer. Sometimes it would lead to a great shot that I've never had in my bed. and boost my ego, but more times than not, just led to worse scenarios and worse scores. If any of you are going out for a round today and you've been struggling with your game,

give it a try. Club up, swing easy, and let the club head just fall on the ball. I know this advice is thrown around a lot, but it wasn't until recently that I've really taken it to heart. Best of luck and have fun out there, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, what a fucking PSA to the world of golf from Nate Shot. I thought that was so cool. I read the shit out of that thing.

I, uh, we actually get into a good amount of that type of talk with the, with David and Sean Foley at the second half of that. And like, Foley says at one point, he's like, you know, everybody talks about using the body and you're swaying and the bigger muscle, the lower body. And he's like to make the point of that you need your hands and you're to use your hands and arms. And that's like he doesn't want to take that out is he's like, imagine if someone cut off your legs. You could still hit a golf ball. Like you'd have to really fabricate. still like make a golf swing and hit a golf ball. He's like someone cut off your arms.

You couldn't like you just couldn't play the game of golf. One of the things he told me that stuck with me is that the guy who uses the most ground force on tour is Kevin Streelman who doesn't really hit it that far. So he's like, yeah, your arms are still pretty important. Yeah. Tillery said that to me basically the first time I met him when I went down to Cuskewila. He was like your swim. And he wasn't saying it in a way where it's like he wasn't saying it in a positive way.

He was like, if I cut your legs off, your golf swing would be the exact same. Yeah. Because I was all arms. I'm still like 90% arms, but I got like a little bit of legs in there. But he was like, dude, if I cut your legs off, you'd be the same golfer. I was like, damn, that's fucking brutal. I love talking swing, swing transformations. And like when someone finds that thing, I was just talking one of my buddies, Kyle.

And he was like, he hasn't hit a ball this year outside. He had a little bit of an elbow issue. But he's been going to five iron golfs. And he's been taking lessons and like just finding the slot and like not being so flat and I was talking to him last night and he's just like so excited about the game like like that like finding that thing and like opening up your hips and moving your legs and like doing something new just makes the game so much more fun to go play like you have a new adventure it's not the same ball flight it's not the same so many people like find this block that they can't get through obviously

like trying to shoot 89 for the first time like you just can't get there and like trying to achieve that that's why breaking 90 is so fucking good it's like getting that next step is the best part of the game. It really is. Like, everyone can find it, whether it's like trying to what Nate Schatz's saying, like, just make it feel better or actually try and physically change something or try and get to a certain number. That's the best

part of the game. That and what I saw Francis did this week. Did you guys see our guy Francis? Yeah, he made the member of guests at Silo Ridge, like one of the most exclusive incredible places you can possibly be playing golf that. It's fucking shoeless drains a put to win the member guest. That's also fun in the game of golf. He makes

like a 10-footer shoeless. That's That wasn't a short pot. That was a real pot. He got drenched in champagne. It just felt like it was just the craziest celebration ever. Silo Ridge, by the way, if people don't know, is a discovery land. If we're going to give Danny Rap shit about Quaker Ridge, we got to give Francis a lot of shit about Silo Ridge. It's impossible to get it.

It is the most exclusive, most rich person place you could possibly be a member. I don't even know what it is. I've never even heard. He wears long sleeve polos, which is, I thought was a joke. I thought if you, I thought wearing a long sleeve polo was a, ironic move. I've never seen someone do it in film. It's, it's probably, is it because he's like, I mean, he's a pretty fair skin like red-headed guy. The son must dominate him. I'm just, it's, it's a move where if a guy's wearing a long-sleeve polo, you know, he's worth at least 50 million

dollars. Yeah, Tyler Ridge is no joke. It's basically, it's the New York version of Trubidor and all those discovery properties. Oh, I do know what that. Okay. Now that rings. I think we've talked about it for. the property there and it's like you have to know someone to get in because the properties sell out before they're even built it's crazy so shout out the properties are no like they're not just like affordable property you have to own a property i remember i mean i remember a couple years ago talking with max homa about this because he was thinking about getting like he wanted to join troubadours so that during most of the golf season they didn't have to fly all the way back to phoenix in between events they could like fly to somewhere neutral or whatever and he was like it's just crazy that like i have to own a home on that

property and the homes are like millions of dollars to own a home at troubadour and i think silo's like the exact same situation so that's just to like just to let them look at you and consider you joining you have to like own property there oh yeah wow yep well shout to him i mean it's it's going well for him you know it's brand new club and he knew he won the member guests it's that's pretty cool he's a good player isn't he he is he's our next he's our next episode yeah we're about to find out in Pioneers, but he's also our next episode of Barstall golfs, which I think people are going to really enjoy. France, I mean, JJ must have, Jersey Jerry may have just like set the bar way too high for just

any single person that comes on that show because he was so fucking funny. But Francis really hits the ball well. And it's obviously funny. He got a stand-up comedian and a very successful one at that. So, yeah, no, this should be a wild week. I didn't even think about Francis until he just said it that he's going to be playing in pioneers. That's a guy that's going to get, you know, Dave and Big Cat.

that's a guy they can get into his head easy on the golf course they really can oh man kirk like all those guys you say something to francis he could spin he can spin out of control francis and danny are the two guys i'm keeping my eye on this week you got it you guys got a lot on the line francis not so much but i just francis gets in the mix i think if you make a comment to him he'll just spin out of control danny's dan he's got a lot on the line you really like if you shoot a like you're saying if you shoot 36 four days in a row he's just like yeah dan he's supposed to do that. But if you, if you crumble, I mean, Kirk's never going to let you hear the end of it. I know I'm not helping you right now, but it's insane. I'm going to plead the fifth until,

you know, I'll let the clubs are the talking. I think we're only impressed by like doing outrageous shit. You have to like, you have to just blow our dicks off. If you play well, everything, it will take care of itself. Everything else. That's right. Wendy takes care of everything. That is true. If you're holding the trophy, you just win. It's over. Let us talk about the newest league you guys need to join. No, it is not an NBA bracket. No, it's not a fantasy football team. It is a dating app called the league designed for busy career-oriented people to find their other better half.

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Obviously, it wasn't as big. It's not the Canadian Open, but I mean, Kegan's a New England guy. There are like no New England professional golfers. Keegan's kind of the guy. He's from Vermont. He's talked about how much this event means year after year after year after year. He finished second, I believe, the year that Chesrivy won it,

goes out, has a dominant performance, wins. It was incredibly emotional. He's also just a fire. twitchy into it guys. So like him coming up 18 and just going fucking nuts was so sick. It was so real and wholesome. And I know against everything with Liv and the Saudis and the money and everybody's playing for money.

And Patrick Cantley is apparently staging a coup at the same time that Russia has understood a coup and the whole deal. And then you've got fucking Keegan Bradley up there who's already won five times. I already won a major championship. He's played in two different rider cups with Phil Mickelson. He's out there, Houghton Howard. And yet this meant so much to him. He's got his cute family out there and the kids got their own trophies.

It was just so, so cool. It reminded me when Max Homa won at Riviera, when you win kind of your hometown or the closest thing, closest thing you have to a hometown event. Zach and the JDC continue. Yep, yep, Zach and the JDC. It just means a lot. So shout out to Keegan.

He's got a sneaky, a sneaky plethora of, like, great wins that won the PG championship. It was his first major ever. I obviously just won the Travelers. a New England guy, very cool, hometown event. He's also won a playoff event, Fed's a playoff event, and a WGC. So it's like, and he wanted to do hand earlier this year.

He's had a fantastic career. So he's one of the Jordan's best friend. He's MJ's, boy, I put that on my fucking list. Like, Kegan's kind of sneaky, got it going. So it was really, really cool to watch. He dominated the field so much so that he was able to pretty much collapse down the stretch and still one by three.

And we had him on the show a couple months ago, and he talked about how he had to like basically retrain transform retrant no just transform not not re transform just had to just transform his body I don't know why I put it but he had to just transform his body again is that a re I guess you know it could be multiple transformations which would be then be a re transform but he um he basically just had to like keep up with what was happening on the tour guys were getting younger he was getting older and he felt like he needed to really like just turn the page and like change everything and that took a lot out of him. It was, it was like a long, winding road for Kagan to like get back to where he wanted

to get back to. And he's a guy that really feels everything with a lot of emotion, the highs and the lows, I feel like. And he really expressed all that on the podcast. Was that just Trent and I that were talking that day? I think I was on that one. Oh, you were. I was there. I was there. It was me and Danny. He was at the Bears, right? Yes. Or no, he was at, he was at, um, the grove. Yeah, that's right. And he was just like so emotional talking. about like that fucking grind back and to see him to see like when you go through like those transformations and you're like all right i'm going to take a risk here i'm not going to just play for like 18th place and 30th place i'm done with that like i know that i have to do this to

win and you take that risk where like if it doesn't work then you just wasted like the last like of your career that that probably happens more often than not and for you to be successful that's fucking awesome for kegan you know what i mean it fucking worked he sat down looked in the mirror and was like, we're going to change us and I'm going to lift the trophy again. And he just went and did it. And it can not work, right? It can backfire. It can probably have to walk you like Martin Kimer.

I think about right. He like tried to change his swing so he could win at Augusta and he fell off the planet. So it can backfire big time. So I totally agree. It's really cool. That re-transformation that he did for him to go out there and get the win in such a big event down the stretch. And an event too where he had to just keep your foot on the gas. You had to make birdie after birdie after birdie.

amazing. So it was interesting too here and I talked a lot about the transformation or re-transforming his putting from the he was obviously a belly putter broomstick or a belly putter guy. And then he really struggled after they banned it, really struggled more so than he thought. And then he found AIM point and we see everybody doing AIM point. We had Adam Scott walk us through it when we crushed him in a scramble. we have Matt we see Max Homa deal with it and he gets chirped about it sometimes online for how long his process takes but he's a big aim point guy and to hear Keegan kind of talking about how much aim point helped his putting over the last couple years was really cool as well so I like that he's

kind of an open book with all that stuff I want to hold my dear friend Rory McElroyd to accord here because last week at the U.S. Open he he chirped back in me I asked him about the stat where he has never won a tournament at single digits under par. He said, well, actually, if I shot single digits under par at congressional, I would have won. And if I shot single digits under par at Kiowa, I would have won. So now I'm going to kind of bite back here. So Rory McElroyd today said, I don't particularly like when a tournament is like this. Unfortunately, technology has passed this course by, right?

It has sort of made it obsolete, especially as soft as it has been with a little bit of rain that we add. Okay. Then he said at the Arnold Palmer Invitational, it's hard because the leads changing hands. with guys making bogeys, not really birdies. So don't know how people find that entertainment value. So which one is it? Which one? Are the courses too hard or are the courses too easy?

Because it feels like you're kind of playing both sides of it, my friend. I just wanted to get that out there because he chirped back at me and made me like kind of an idiot. So I'm returning. You know what? It reminds me of a lot of how we, the amateur golfer, that gets to go around and play different courses, how we all like to claim or try to claim or wish that we could claim that how we play at that course doesn't dictate whether we think it's like an awesome course or not. And this reminds me of that so much where you go in and you could, you know, like,

you play really well and your buddy or your buddy plays really well. Your boy's like, dude, that's honestly a top five for me. Like that course is great. You're like, well, you know, it's like after you shot fucking 93, two weeks ago, we went to this other course. You weren't singing those praises. I feel like Rory kind of is in the same same mindset. We're like, I've never seen a guy win a golf tournament and then afterwards be like you know like this kind of style and they can't really rain it in with the with the rain is not my favorite there's no fucking way you're going to hear king and bradley saying that this afternoon so you know he's probably a little bit of a victim of that but i i like that day i like that you're keeping receipts i'm keeping receipts man these guys are

going to trip back at me i'm going to use my platform to trip back at them it's okay what goes and comes right that's how it works rory come on the show and defend yourself yeah come talk Get on the show. Shots fired, pal. Get on the show. You know what I found really interesting looking at this leaderboard is you got Keegan Bradley, 23 under par. But then you got Zach Blair, Brian Harmon at 20 under.

And then you don't have to go much farther either to get to Chesrivy T.4 at 19 under. Out of the top six guys there, three of them are not only not bombers. What's up? They're three foot seven. Yeah. There are three foot seven guys. There are three foot seven guys that don't hit the ball. anywhere relative to the other guys at tour they were still able to be near at the lead so i would

say counter to your adversary rory's point it's like kind of the course is allowing almost anybody jim fucking furek shot of 58 to 59 there like it kind of allows any style of game it feels like to potentially persevere there yeah dude speaking of a fucking three-foot-seven guy the complete opposite of that we saw at the uh at the um three Half a national. It's a ridiculous. It's a ridiculous thing. The National Barstle classic.

This guy. Dennis Kelly. Dennis Kelly, who is an offensive tackle, right? For like, I guess he plays for the Indianapolis Colts right now. He's not three foot seven. He played in the, he played for the Tennessee Titans. Six foot eight, 320 pounds. Dude.

We looked at him and we said, I don't even know if it's possible to be bigger than that. Right? Like, I, 320. pounds of pure muscle. Think about LeBron James, I think at his biggest. In his Miami days, he was probably, what, 270? And he was a brick shit house, like, barreling people over down the court. And obviously super fucking athletic.

But this guy is 6-8, same height, essentially. 320. 320 of pure fucking muscle. We watched him walk up to this fucking T-box. I'm like, who, how was that the same species? How? He stood next to spider. Our beloved spider, Dandy Oriole.

Spiders up to the bottom of his ribcage. It was insane. Can you imagine that kind of person? Right. He was, he's a specimen. He's like, he's perfect. Like if he's a little bit taller, he's maybe like not as agile. If he's a little heavier, he's maybe not as agile.

But he's just sort of, he's sort of on each end of the scale is maxed out. And he, nice guy in the world, by the way. Yeah. But he is just, he's perfect. 320 6 8 In ancient Greece In ancient Greek days He's like a god

He's a he's a warrior They're putting armor on him And they're chanting his name And he's walking into like this huge coliseum And everyone's going crazy Because he's gonna beat down a lion With his fucking bare hands 68, 320 are you kidding me?

And it just goes to show how funny The game of golf is He like hit like a very like Baby Fade like slice type of thing off the teeth It's like it doesn't matter You still have to have the swing nicest guy of all time, but definitely didn't have that like 400-yard bomb, like you would think a guy who was 6,8, 320 would have.

The game kind of equalizes everybody. Brian Harmon could out drive a Kelly. What's his name again? Dennis Kelly. Dennis Kelly. I can't try to say Chad Kelly. Fuck. That's why Kelly.

And then, speaking of, Zach Blair, I just wanted to shout it out, shout him out. He, Kyle Porter tweeted out that he has $4.5 million dollars in career earnings. and made $1.8 million this week. He shot a fight around 62. Again, he's big into like golf, the golf architecture world. He reminds me a bit of max in a way of like when he goes to a lot of different places.

He jumps out and plays different courses. He's obsessed with golf. He's obviously launched and like a crowd sourced golf course. I don't know a ton about it. I've just pieced it together from seeing stuff online. It's like the tree farm, I think, that it's called. So he's deep in that world. seems to be beloved by that crowd

and for him to go out there who he's a little guy and against that type of competition and shoot 62 in the final round to vault himself up in an elevated event make that much money incredibly incredibly impressive and I'm going to take him this week in my for the cut bet

he's back at it at the rocket mortgage which we've been to this no we've not been to this event we've been to the 3M 3M and the Rocket Morgan they're right next to each other alleys their same color logos uh rocket mortgage Detroit they're going up to Detroit they still do it at the Donald Ross track up there uh the one that gets the one that gets crunched every year it's another they shoot like a thousand under here don't they yeah they do yeah um I wanted to one more note on

Zach Blair he said that this week he goes he was saying that when he was first came on tour he used to play you know he would go out and play all the different good golf courses in the area but he's kind of been back to you know focusing on the golf and he said this week he goes funny enough this week kind of went on a little bit of a heater played eastward hoe before we came in played fishers island on tuesday and then wing foot on wednesday so he played those three courses in the lead up to the week and then he finished second i made one point a million dollars so yeah good to be zach player dude i fucking saw that i was like is he doing practice rounds and then go one of these places guys following him on instagram in real time and i was like he is getting after it and then i saw him

in the leader bro i was like holy shit so yeah it hell of a week for him um good stuff so that's my pick for the cut bet, by the way, hit again. That's right. It was plus 375 last week, which we love to see. It was a little bit of a sweat with Sawheif the Gala. We looked great. It looked like it was going to be Coast City. And then he kind of lost it in a similar way to like Keegan.

It was like he was like three or four clear with pretty easy holes to go with some good birdie opportunities. And then just struggled. He hit one in the water on 17. He was right on the cut line. he hit it in the middle of fairway and then hit a gap wedge in the water on 17 and then got up and down from like 90 yards and then hit a drive a mile left on 18

hit a heroic shot from there and two putted from 30 feet to make the cut on the numbers so that was a goddamn sweat on Friday all right I'll go next I'm going to take Ludwig Aberg wow yeah Ludwig Aberg is the pick he's made his first four cuts on the PJ tour first PJ tour you winner guys hungry he's got energy just a professional

We're going love to get better. So you're going to be on the Rider Cup team, Dan? I don't think so this year, but the Riter Cup team, the picture is getting spicy for that. I'm going to write about that for the Monday route tomorrow on barcelports.com. We got some on the American side, Kegan Bradley, Ricky Fowler, Wyndham Clark. There's going to be some turnover. 21. I'll go for my pick for four of the cut.

We're on fire right now. I'm going with the guy named Doug Gim. This is who I'm going with. Doug Gim, he was missing a bunch of cuts. You want cut, T-54, cut, cut, cut. and then just turned it around. The last two months, he went T-27 with a four-under at the Wells Fargo. He went T-19 with a 16-under at the Byron Nelson.

He went T-12 with 11 under at the RBC Canadian Open. And then this week, he was 15 under and just like right in the mix. So, I mean, I got to go at Doug Gim. He was fucking T-F, I'm sorry. Yeah, he was 15-under T-15 this week. I'm definitely going Doug Gim. He's riding a hot streak. He's found something.

And that's my guy. I'm going to go with Joel Damon. I have no statistics. What? I think he finished dead last this week. Get those odds up. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

That's what it is. What I was going to say is I have no research. I have no statistics. I looked at the field. I scrolled a little bit and I picked Joel Damon. Didn't realize that he finished dead last. But I'm going to stick with him because he's poised for a major comeback this week. He's going to make the cut.

We've also had that same, like, you know path to success throughout this entire the the history of for the cut has always just been we just pick whoever pops out to us that's right and we're what aren't we up like a what's the statistics 19 and a half units wow that's good so if you bet a hundred dollars on uh on each one you'd be up 1900 dollars correct it's pretty good it's pretty good it's a pretty good little thing we got going on here just picking golfers names and then we just go week by week And you'd just be, I mean, like just being up after all that time. How many have we done?

Oh, probably doubled everybody like in theory, probably on average double your money every week or something right. Right. I mean, right. Is that good? Joel Damon, baby. Joel Damon. Let's see. I think we're going to be like a plus 900 on this thing.

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And the only thing that I saw was some guy the day before had tweeted out of like, going to thinking about betting the house on my boy, Kiz this week, you like that? And tag Kiz and Kiz just wrote, nope. He, we, you know, Kiz has been a friend of the program, basically since day one. He's done more for us than we can even say.

He's come on the show and just shot the shit for two hours at some points. He would also be an interesting guy to have on right now. And I'm not saying he has to or that I want him on. If he doesn't want to come on, he doesn't have to. But if he came on right now, it would be a very interesting version of him. About a week of. two ago, I think two weeks ago, I invited him on. I think you guys were doing a Barstool Classic, and I was trying to find a guest to kind of like make sure you guys could do that.

We do that, whatever. And he was like, you, you always invite me on the days when I have an event. He had like a sponsor's event that day. So he's down to come on. And I really wanted to get him on for that. A lot of what you just said, Trent was like, I don't want to only like hit him up when he's playing. Wow. It didn't be like, we forgot about you. We played like, shit. Like, I think it'd be great to have him on. Just like when we had Billy Horshal on. We ended up having Billy Horschel on instead or that week. But I completely. agree with you. It'd be great to get him on right now. I actually think he'd probably be more relatable now than ever for him to go through. He was when Dan asked him at the Masters about what, you know, what's going on with the driver. He's like, well, I'm going to go to the range. I'm going to hit 8,000 drivers. I'm going to go out and I'm going to wipe one into the bunker and be pissed off for the rest of the day. That's like what he's going through. So shout out to our boy

kids. We fucking love kids to death. It's going to be that much sweeter when he gets back to the top. We've had him on. Like he said, after he's won tournaments before he won the WGC, one millions dollars right now we're struggling a little bit but he'll figure it out um and then the uh baltist roll really cool to watch the women at baltest roll really cool to watch them come down the stretch i had i'd kind of forgotten that baltie had like back-to-back par five finishers um how cool that is the one with the great hazard as they call it on 17 with like the huge bunker is very similar to the ninth hole at piner's number four um gill hans kind of restored that to a similar you know, template type hole, if you will.

So I totally forgotten about that finish par five, par five coming back up towards a clubhouse. Really, really cool. The water and the creek down the left actually played a huge role. Rosang hit it in there. A couple balls found that water.

And just seeing them play out of Baltimore's great. Roseing grinded to get a top 10, which me and Kirk both had picked her this week on our cool golf gambling show. To do that, ended up being a 20-year-old. I don't know exactly how to say her first name. Do you know how to say her first name, Dan?

I don't want to disrespect her. I'm not, I don't. R-U-O-N-I-N-G. So I don't want to distract her. Yin, she's from China. It's only the second woman from China ever to win a women's major. She buried the last hole, making like a 10-footer up the hill on a put that nobody else was making. Nobody was really, there's just a lot of mistakes made on that hole.

It's a final hole of a major championship. She goes out there. Hit a pretty good drive up the right. Hit a gutsy layup as crazy as that sounds because it was like she had, she was in brutal rough and had to fly at at least 100 yards over this creek. And she was tied for the lead at the time. She does it and then hits a good wedge to 10 feet, makes it, ends up winning by one.

So it was a gutsy finish. Watching them play out of Bolta stroll again was really, really, really cool. That course has, I think we said that's like second or top five most like US opens. it's held of any course ever so it's got more history than you can imagine and yeah it was just really really cool to watch they were on NBC too which i liked uh just seeing them kind of get that coverage that type of golf course with that history uh it was it was very fun to watch down the stretch and rosang she's going to be a serious problem out there i think i mean she finished eight and she played pretty pretty shitty the whole week so she's she's at that level you know that scotty sheffler level

we also should say that scotty shephler has still hasn't finished worse than 12 and 16 straight events finished type just fourth which was huge for me I had on top five this week I mean the guys the guys that's a crazy run that's wow nothing worse than 12th and 16 straight professional golf and that includes all of the designated events and three majors it's not like he's playing a cup that doesn't make sense that is he's leading the tour and money right this year he has to yeah he broke the record I'm gonna check what he's at right now uh yeah they him and rama both like comfortably broken the all time record for earnings because obviously with the designated events this year, they're

making so much more. He's, uh, what is he at? He's at coming into this week. He was 17.7 million. For the year. For the year, not including obviously endorsements or PIP or FedEx Cup. A few wins of FedEx Cup. That's crazy.

They still have a major, they still have all the playoff events. That's insane. Good for Scotty. He's still driving as like Chevy. Yeah. Did you guys read Amon Lynch's piece on the Patrick Cantlay and Jay Monaghan? I highly urge you to go read it. It was just for the fact that there are, he just absolutely rose Chesson Hadley for being a nobody and Patrick Cantley for being like in terms of the Q score like nobody's. And some of his lines are laugh out loud. Yeah, he said something about, he said like Patrick Hayley speaks with the confidence of a man who thinks he would be a partner at goal. Coleman Sachs if he wasn't just wearing their logo on his hat. It was great. It was really good. It was all about Cantley's trying to basically stage a coup behind the scenes. He's trying to get rally player support to just not approve the deal for the player side that Montahan and company agreed to and how he's basically getting no traction. And it was aiming just like roasting them. And then obviously roasting Chesson Hadley, you had the comment a couple weeks ago that he was like offended that the tour made the deal without them and that he feels like they. as for staying loyal to the tour should, you know, get paid out.

And Aeman obviously roast him for that being like, who the fuck are you? So it was interesting. I thought Aeman would be on the side of guys like being opposed to the live like merger. He basically says that not that he wouldn't. He's his whole framing of it was that like, yeah, yeah, that'd be great that they'd be against it if it were for moral reasons. But it's clearly not. That was the whole point. Was that like not in any way.

Are they morally opposed to this deal? They're opposed to it because the money is not going to be raking in for them as it could have been is the issue. Gotcha. Yeah. So that was, I thought that too. I was like, this is weird. Why would he be? And he puts that in the first or second paragraph basically being like, this would all be great if it weren't for the fact that not one of them cares about a moral stance against any of this, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Which is, I think, why he tied in the Goldman Sachs line. It was, it's good. You should read spicy. You had to, like, look up half of stuff because he's way smarter than I am. So I was like, what is you saying here? And then once I got it, I laughed a lot. It was great. Okay.

I think that's all I got. Oh, we got video coming out. We got nine in mine with Fat Perez's coming out on Wednesday night, I believe. Yeah, first nine of mine. This is my interview show. We're playing nine-hole matches with not professional golfers. So I know Fat Perez, probably not the ideal for Steph because he's like sort of a golfer. But we've got some cool guests lined up for that one more than the like kind of athlete celebrity world.

but we play nine holes at their home course. That's the at my aspect. So we went to Virginia, we filmed with FP and it's a good match. You know, two solid golfers going at it, having a lot of fun, drinking a lot of fireball whiskey.

Excited for you all to see it. He's a big friend of the program, obviously. FP's the man. So, so yeah, I'm excited to watch it. And you guys are pretty similar skill level.

I feel like in the game of golf. So I'm very excited. Yeah, we had some good matches. We did one for ours. I think they also filmed some stuff for their channel. I don't know when that's coming out. Our boys beat him to market. Yeah.

That's just, back of the matter. I had a boy. At a boy. That's it, fellas. Our guys are editing their fucking dicks off right now. It's crazy. We got so many things on.

A lot of people were like, we had a lot of Taylor made videos to get out. And then I felt like people were like, when's the next time you guys are going to like golf? Like, when's the most recent time you guys golf? And now we're just hitting them with a lot of just golf content. There's a lot of us golfing on the channel right now. And it's just a good place to be. And the guys are editing videos nonstop.

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to enter to win a three-day three-round golf trip to merdle beach all right folks uh we're joined by two guys in the golf world who are really doing god's work helping people out with their golf swings we talk a ton about that on this show we kind of are the epitome of the weekend golfer most of the show is really documenting all struggles with the game of golf. And like I said, you guys help people. We've got David Woods, who coach guys on tour. You guys, you and Sean Foley, Sean Fully, we've had on before, actually, Sean.

Coach Tiger Woods, last time he was number one in the world. You were his swing coach. So the two of you have an amazing pedigree in the game of golf. You've got this training aid, the pro center, which has made waves in the last month or so. Roy McElroy, I would even say, is endorsing it. He appears to just be using it on his own to help his golf swing. pick up a ton of strokes, gain Tita Green last week at the U.S. Open. So, fellas, welcome to the show.

I'm very curious, how'd you two get together? Because I feel like it's a pretty competitive world, the golf instructing, teaching guys on tour world, and here you guys are kind of collaborating together. How'd you two get together? Well, first, thanks for having us on, Riggs. I really appreciate it. It's been a fun few months here since the launch of ProCender. It's been a couple of years.

the making. Sean and I have been fortunate to be very good friends for, gosh, probably nearly a decade now. We met, I think we met up at Pebble Beach at an event, kind of like 2010-ish. Sean came up to me in an event, introduced himself, was lovely and welcoming, and it was kind of nice, a fellow Canadian. And then we just kind of hit it off from there. The last several years, I think we're going on probably close to 10 years that Sean's been kind enough to come out and co-host my golf school here at the club. So we've kind of gotten to know each other really well. He's a close family friend now, stays our home. And, you know, it's like Uncle Sean and my kids.

So, yeah, it's been a good number of years and just appreciate his friendship. Yeah, it's about the exact same thing. Regsy. You should come, Regsy and come stay with me in the casino. It's quite a nice place to go versus the daily ride of hotels. The casino, I get there. It's filled up with Heineken. It's perfection.

Yeah, but that's kind of been, you know, that's been it. It's been probably a decade. And, you know, I think as it relates to the pro-sender business, what Dave is great at, I'm good at. And what I'm great at, Dave is good at. And so we actually continue to build, you know, distribution, all those types of things. I have nothing to do with that. That's all been Dave's side of the business.

And, you know, you've got to connect a lot of dots to make these things seem seamless and easy. So that from that standpoint, and then with Dave, we work on, you know, just continuing to understand the swing and these players and the game. And it's a never-ending structure. of learning this golf game rigs. Oh, man, is it? You know, I'm really interested because so the pro sender and, you know, obviously I don't want this to turn into an infomercial,

but at the same time, I mean, when you've got, I was just watching the clip Todd Lewis is going on about at the memorial about Rory. I looked at David, your Instagram, you've got multiple posts about Rory. You're helping Rory at the, I think U.S. Open kind of he's talking through what he's working on with it. I've got one. I used it. Alister, so you just mentioned Sean connecting the dots. Alastair Doherty, who's one of our guys, he's the only guy in the history of golf that we've sponsored. We pay the man to wear our gear.

We believe in him. He's a good friend of mine. He goes nuts about this pro sender. I have to think golf training aids have been around for probably two centuries. I mean, old Tom Morris is ever making golf training aids. Here you guys are in the last, you know, year you've come out with a new training aid, Pro Sender, it's, it's, like I kind of laid out, it's Rory McElroy, who has maybe the most desirable golf swing in the history of the world.

If you dropped an alien from outer space that didn't know a single thing about sports, golf, anything, they would look at that and be like, that's correct. Whatever that guy's doing is right. And here he is using the pro sender. Where did this thing come from? how long in the making is it? And kind of why do you guys think it's so effective at this point, despite the fact that we've been seeing golf training aids for hundreds of years?

Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Yeah, and first off, yeah, just any interaction I've had with Rory has just more than a listening session for me to hear about what his thoughts are on the pro sender, and I've known him for a number of years. He's a great guy. by no means am I helping him in any way at all. Hopefully the pro center is helping him and he's enjoying it. But, you know, this has been a project in the making, like I said, for a good couple years.

It stemmed from me just hitting balls on my own and kind of getting tired of seeing my swing on video with a, you know, a cup left wrist and not high enough arms and not rotated enough torso. And I just kind of thought, gosh, if I could just, if there was something that could put me in a really neutral. Tiger Woods, Adam Scott, flat left wrist, extended right wrist feeling, but not force me into that position because so many training needs put you in a position that you can't replicate when it comes off. And I think that's what the tour players are liking is the freedom to be able address the ball properly in the way that they, you know, the manner that they hold the golf club, to be able to lay it back into that cradle and deliver it in the release pattern that they prefer. So it was just something that I kind of, you know, messed around with for years and then

Sean came into the mix and added the component of the compression sphere. And I think, you know, Sean can speak to this a little bit better and kind of go over why it's so important for that ball to be small and in the wrist joints and how it really helped him bring Lydia Coe back from, you know, the high ranking that she had unfortunately climbed to. And he brought her back to world number one. I mean, I'll let Sean kind of speak to that. But it was a collaboration that came together to basically create the only three and one training. eight on the market, soon to be four and one, and we'll talk about that at another time. But it's an impressive piece of equipment that's easy to use, looks good, not embarrassing to put on the driving range. And to have over 50 more than well, well over 50 PJ and LPJ tour

players using it now and using it on a regular basis is pretty impressive. And like you'd mention, you know, for the arguably the best player on the planet to be kind of behind it with zero paid endorsement or anything like that. It's just we owe a lot to Rory for just being such a good guy and even allowing us to, you know, post any swings of him using it as generous and nice of him. And he's a class guy every time I talk to the guy is just five star. And I think Riggs, it's like, you know, in golf instruction, I think there's an overfocus on what the body does. Okay. Tiger is tiger because of his hands, right?

No batter ever got struck out by Noel and Ryan and came off the mound and went back to the dugout and said, man, did you see that guy's leg drive? They came back and said that guy has a cannon. Okay. So when you look at a golf club and its design, basically this club is going to balance at this point, right? So there's equal torque on both sides. So this is the club's center of mass. All right.

Now, for years, you know, we talked about swing playing and swing plane and swing plane. But, you know, when you look at a trackman, a trackman has mostly numbers that don't identify any old school golf language, right? And we need to change the language in golf. Okay. So when you look at all these pros, now all these pros swing different because they just look different. They're all different size. Shane Lowry and DJ are going to look very different. The way they're squaring the face is very similar.

The way they're generating energy is very similar. There's way more similarities than there are differences. Okay. And so when you look at the right wrist position on the PGA tour, so this is extension, right? Now, this position would come from evolution, from us throwing things. Okay? That's how we would have hunted, right? So this is quite normal for human beats.

All right. So now, when you put the processor on, on the PGA tour, that right wrist angle goes from around 42 to 603 degrees. So this is kind of set right at about 51. That's almost the tour average in neutrality. So for someone like Victor Hovlin, this wouldn't be enough. Like he would try to, he would snap through this, okay?

Whereas somebody like a Phil Mickelson, his hand probably wouldn't be on it at the top. But if you look at the kind of the neutral, the ones you'll see 80 out of 100 times. So you got to, we got to stay away from, in all things, we have to stay away from the spectrums at the end, right? Because unicorns are unicorns. All right. So when I get my right wrist into that position, it's one, I'm laying it back this way, but two, as the club is going up, I'm also twisting it. And all of those things are outpicking to get the club's face to where it's more square. Now, just for people to understand, even that looks square as we've been taught.

But in 3D, this club face is still really open because all the good players, Rave Z, they're closing the face rapidly through the ball. That's how they square. So the problem that we hear is stable club face. A stable club face is moving 3,000 degrees. There's no such thing as stable. A putter might be stable, but a driver is just whipping around at the fastest speed you can imagine. So one, most amateurs at the top are like this. And so two things happen.

One, the face is obviously wide open. So they're not going to have time to square it. And then two, that point that I pointed out earlier is the mast of the club. So when that starts to come down this way, the only fix is to extend and try to straighten it out. So when we look at some of the prodigious ball strikers on tour, the guys who make it look really easy. If anything, that position is way more here than it is here. So when I can keep this behind me, I can continue to rotate to hit the ball. As soon as I get it to in front of me, it's game over.

And so that's the important part is that, one, it gives them a chance to square the face because they're going to feel much more shut. But even that's still open in space. They're going to have to still rotate their arms to square the face. But two, as it comes down behind, the body knows what to do. So it gets here, the body knows what to do. It's just not desirable. So really, this right wrist position, also the way that the way that David put the

craft in there, you can't go to radial. So radial is hinging, right? The problem with radial, if I get too radial, then my elbow's going to bend along. So the two biggest differences between pro golfers and the amateurs, and understand, I can teach any amateur on the street how to ship their weight and turn their body. That is not the golf swim. That is a reactive thing that's occurring based on the intention of the hands and arms. Okay. So the idea being is that the pros are, have more extension in their right wrist, and they have less bend in their right elbow. So if I can get an amateur to get into the pro center and keep his arm straighter, it is night and day.

We have to, you know, Riggs, you've seen all this stuff about shallowly. Oh, yeah. Okay? And I'm not saying it's not real, but it's not really happening that way. Okay? If you just look at pure measures, if I'm at the top and that right elbows in that position, now my arms are going to be pretty extended at impact. I can't really come into the ball like that.

That makes no sense. Unless I can side bend 80 degrees like Joaquin, Don't try it, right? He's a unicorn. So I get from here, now that club is in position. As I extend my arm down, the shoulder stays external, but now look where the shaft is. So the shallower is in the extension

and in the width of the right arm. That's period. That's not for discussion. So when we put the ball in, and so what they're so beautiful, about this is when I saw David showed me and I was like, oh shit, you got to be kidding me, right? You know how many years I had to tape

like, you know the bendy rulers we used in school? Oh, yeah. The bendy ruler here and tape it and my kids would hate it and you'll work on. You're just 10 cup in your house. Once that gets in there, Hogan always talked about keeping the elbows together. This is not

for everybody, all right? This is more of a high level aspect, but it's very good for helping people to learn short game and learning how to use their arms and their body together, right? The closer to the wrist, the more imperative it is because we have all this stuff about the shoulders staying external, but that only happens because of what the thumb and the wrist do. The shoulders just is up to this. So I can't be like this, Rakesy, and be like that.

That's just not natural. You see what I'm saying? Yep. So when you put the ball in, when people build the back swing, keeping the ball in getting the right wrist on the cradle creates quite a bit of fork at the ground. rip, which really allows the face to come down a lot more square for people. So the wrist angles, because I grew up in the golfing machine, all I ever thought was that golf was wrist-enged. Then luckily, you know, in early 2000s, I got with a couple of chiros and physios, and they

taught me how to use the body. But then I realized, man, most people have to earn the ability to move like that in a gym with people. So Dave and my job as coaches is wrist angles and the geometry of the strike and the physios are there to increase people's ability to rotate and create more force. Hydration is key. Hydration is key. Being hungover stinks. That's when you are dehydrated. You need to replenish.

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So I got a question because I, you know, my relationship to the game of golf is, I think, pretty similar to probably most people that are listening, that watch, that follow what we do, which is I played a different sport, pretty much played hockey my whole life. I know you guys are Canadian guys. Pretty much played hockey my whole life, played hockey in college. That was what I was good at. And then picked up golf, played a little bit as a kid. But when I was in high school, 16, 17, 18 years old, thought right away, here's all these

fucking country club dwebes. They're pretty good at this. Like, how hard could it be? I'll be good at this. And now it's been 20 years and I'm still fighting that same fight. And I, my original relationship to it was, you know, if I would chunk a ball or blade a ball, right? In my head, I'd be like, I just lost focus.

Like, you just need to hit the back of the ball. And now that it's 20 years later and I've read everything and I've watched all your guys videos and everything. Now my immediate reaction when I do do that. inevitably is that I technically got into a spot where there was no way I couldn't do that. Right. So I always kind of fight that. And I'm actually now, I feel like going back the other way or probably kind of somewhere in the middle of, because you started the whole thing, Sean, with like Tiger Woods at the end of the day, no matter who his swing coach is, like his golf game is in

his hands. He talks about it all the time. When he does those Golf Digest videos, which I love, he talks about fading it into a back right pin or we're trying to hit a high draw to you know a back left pin or whatever he's like I pretty much just do it in my hands at the end of the day like yeah I set up this way and that way but like I'm just going to draw it with my hands and so you know me being a hockey guy that I held a stick and I could deflect the puck you know like Joe Pavelsky and like at times and I had good hand eye and so part of me is like yeah man you think about your technique but another part of me is like dude just go out there and use your fucking hand. and skills and like Wyndham Clark was saying like just be an athlete to just like stand over a golf ball and just hit it properly how you want to because your body will figure it out so for you guys you know is it is it tricky to try to put a percentage on or to try to help the average the normal weekend golfer with that sort of balance between like just figure it out and you know technically if we put you in this spot you'll actually be a able to figure it out way more often.

You know what I mean? Yeah. I definitely think for the average player, I mean, you can see why the tour players like using it because they're real close to that position anyways. So it's kind of a home base for them. It's a place of comfort for them. For the average player, like Sean alluded to, that's more this way at the top, they've got to work to kind of feel, okay, what does this even feel like to get that trail wrist

into extension and feel it against the cradle? And to me, it's, as we alluded to earlier, most training aids that are holding you in a position, if you go against that position, you're pushing this way, right? So let's assume that the ProCenter held you back in that extended position by way of a band or whatever. The whole time you're playing, you're going to be fighting against that. And when you take it off, you're actually going to go more the other way. So I think just intuitively, because you have to take responsibility for your own improvement with the pro sonner on, you've got to feel that motor skill learning, feel the kind of sensory touch against the padding of the inside. You're actually pushing against it. So when it comes off, the average player actually feels like they're going the other way, like the good way, rather than pushing against it.

And I think, you know, like you said, you know, it's tough with with amateurs to change patterns if they're used to doing it a certain way. But this is definitely a way that kind of incentivizes you to head in the right direction. So I think the biggest gain is going to come with the average player. I mean, for any coach that's teaching someone who's just learning the game to not put this on them immediately, you're robbing them of like massive advancement in a shorter period. So I'm in our opinion. Yeah, big time. There's no doubt.

Wrist angles are tricky rakes to teach people. And did you play left or righty? I was a lefty hockey player, righty golfer. Yeah. Right. Literally Tiger Woods asked me about that. We were walking up the 18th pole at the PGA last year at Southern Hills and we were talking and we were getting into sports. Obviously, you know him well.

He's a sports junkie and he was really curious. We were talking about. I played hockey my whole life. And he, his first question was, which hand did you play? And I was like, I was left handed. And he's like, put your right hand at golfer. And I was like, yep. And he's like, that's always so interesting to me.

And he like filed that away as an interesting thought. Yeah, it is interesting for sure. Yeah, so the thing is for you, if you played golf lefty too, right, hockey has a lot of really good things that are very relatable to golf, right? The ends are just separate, but you'll see the chest opening, you'll see side bend. The problem with hockey where the guys get struggling is that when they go to take a slap shot, that center of mass is much more this way as it comes into the ice. Yeah. And so when they golf, they do the same thing, but they're very strong and very good through impact with how they can do that. So I've seen a lot of hockey players hit the ball up you.

Typically lower, right? Typically lower because you're using this. Nobody draws a hockey puck either. Like nobody shoots, nobody, nobody rips like a good wristers or whatever and it's like a draw. Right. It's always like you cut across it. Yeah, no, it's definitely tough when you've,

you've played another sport the other way. I think just intuitively trying to figure out how to switch around your motor skill. But yeah, I mean, the use of the hand, like when I've watched your swing, many times, rigs. And it's gotten quite a bit better, I feel like, you know, over the last a couple years, you know, quite a bit better. But it definitely looks, you know, growing up having played hockey my whole life, it was way more important to me than golf.

It definitely your swing looks to me way more body and kind of, you know, almost stiffer in the arms and hands rather than that freedom of, you know, like if you took like a wippy club or an orange whip or something and just made a bunch of practice swings and feeling the hands, You know, that to me would freeze some of that up for you. That's the thing, though, Riggs, is that a lot of the amateurs aren't, they're not talked about this. Like, how many times in the program do I have to fix someone's grip? Like, we don't even pay attention to the low-hanging fruit.

Like, the grip is so imperative. It's so imperative. And based on the type of grip, the type of way you're going to load the mass of that club is going to be slightly different. It's not massively different, but it's slightly enough. So I think what happens is when they put it on, they go, oh, I've never been told to do that or I've never been there. And then all of a sudden you start seeing, I mean, literally, it's instant because if they're able to stay on it and get another piece of the puzzle, it'll change their ball flight into shots. This isn't, whenever you're working on something, you should never get. If someone ever says you're going to have to get worse before you get better, then you need to get a refund.

That's just not true. You should be able to hit it. Now, will it take you some time rates to give me 10 minutes? You have the best side of your life. I promise. Now, how low will that take us to produce naturally you falling out of bed? That's the difficulty of golf is the amount of mundane focus that you need on things to get gratification eventually. Whereas, you know, I text my players all the time at the end of the text.

You can't get this shit on Amazon, boys. There's no shortcuts. You got to do the work. Right. But a lot of people are doing the work, but they're being told things that are just not accurate. And, you know, all this stuff about footwork when we're actually holding onto the club with our hate. Like, I just, I don't understand it. It's funny because we, you know, again, on our show, we talk about this stuff nonstop and the struggle of golf.

That's the beauty of it. I think it's the only sport in the world, at least like the most popular sport in the world, where you get a fresh shot at it every time, right? Like you don't, there's no other sport. Like hockey, we talk a lot about hockey. Like everything that you do when you're on a hockey team is in the context of the season, right? Your team record or how many goals you have that year, every time you play, there's like a continuity to it. And this is just part of the longer linear season or whatever.

Every time you play golf, you stand in that first fucking tee. You're even par and you've got a chance that day. And even if you shoot 107, like the next time you tee it up, you're even par. and you got another shot at it. And that's what's so beautiful about it and also so infuriating. And you just mentioned Sean like a lot of the fundamentals, right? And I've got a handful of golf instruction books from Sam Sneeds, like how to hit a golf ball that was 70 years ago or whatever it was.

Brandl Schambly's book where he ties in all the keys from all the greats, Jack Nicholas Tiger Woods' book, all of them, the first, second chapter, are not about the perfect wrist hinge that it's all about grip, set up fundamentals of the game of golf. You don't go a page before you get into that in every single book. And so it's very funny to me of you can talk about everything. You look at Jim Furek swing versus Adam Scott swing versus John Rom swing. But at the end of the day, when they're standing over the golf ball, they all, before they pull the club back, they all look pretty goddamn similar because there's just a there's just a key to fundamentals.

and we talk about it in hockey. We've interviewed guys in the NHL that literally when they're really out of sync or whatever it is, they go to fundamentals. I've got a guy, my guy, Brian Kane and Jeremy Moran who do Prodigy Hockey. And they work really, really hard with the Blackhawks, especially. They worked with Patrick Kane and Jonathan Tays a lot. And I've gotten into deep discussions with them about kind of the moneyball version of like hockey, right like taking statistics like they did in baseball and applying it to hockey and he's like dude in the off season the number one thing that we've worked on with Patrick came with all these studs in the NHL are fundamentals like they just after decades of playing the game there's two or three key fundamentals that you get lazy on or that that just get tweaked in the wrong way because you're working on something else and so it's always been amazing to me in the world of golf especially which is such a cognitive sport where you're just standing over the

ball and you have to just apply the same motion over and over again, how much it just comes back to people really need to focus on having the fundamentals right. Just hold the goddamn golf club more properly and things will work out better. Yep, definitely. I mean, in order to do the necessary things with your wrists, you know, everyone's slightly different, right? Like when people stand up, their arms don't all hang the same way. So you could get someone who's this way, and you get someone who's this way. They can't grip it the same. So you got to be able to mat, See, the grip is even, like, as it's written about, it's too, like, you know, me as a kid growing up and just how I've always been, you know, get these two Vs pointed at your right shoulder. It's like, I asked everyone why, and no one had an answer for me because I'd see all these different grips on tour, but then I'd see effective ball drive.

So the thing is, like, with amateurs, for the most part, when a pro gets to you and he needs, and his grip is say, not what you like, right? The whole goal when we're coaching is not to teach people our preference. Like I'm dangerous if I'm teaching you my preference, right? Does he have control of his club face and does he hit the ball? Well, he does, right? So you won't necessarily change a grip with a pro unless it's something that's causing an injury potentially. But that's, you don't want to go there because that is like, that's their whole connection to the planet. But with an amateur, I've changed grips all the time.

And it's amazing. I mean, if you, and they don't like it, it feels awful. And, you know, so there's a cold plunge, but it's good for you. So once they do that better, they get the face in better positions. They can swing the club better. So remember, it's a golf swing. So it's like a swinging action, right? There's some hitting in it, too, but it's definitely a swinging action.

So we have to be able to use our hands to swing it. And the thing about the pro center when it's on and you're able to get wider, I mean, think about all the times you were told to lag it, Riggs. like lag the club, right? But when you go fly fishing to make the fly go really far, you have to cast it. But casting is the wrong word in golf. So how am I casting this to create wit and distance? And in golf, I'm trying to keep it.

How can I speed it up if I keep it? So we just need to overall just, science has come a long way in golf, and that's been helpful and I think it's been productive. But, you know, how science is used often is just to prove people's previous agendas anyway. You know what I mean? you could prove this, you can prove this. So it's, it, I just think if I cut your legs off, Ridge, you could learn how to get it all pretty well. You'd have to get the club's design different, but you could still hit

it well. If I cut your arms off, bro, you're not playing golf. That's just a simple way to get people to be understanding what's more important. Riggs, you also talked about just kind of like what, what's been done over the course of time in some of these theories of coaching. And I think what's not talked about enough is all of those concepts were invented, let's say, when the equipment was dog shit, right, compared to what it is now. So there's not enough discussion about how the instructional patterns are still often talked about the same ways they were in the 70s when the equipment was bad and the only way to hit it far was to, you know, drop it underneath and, you know, have a ton of donation on the right arm and really hit these sling hooks, whereas the equipment now is just so much better. You know, so, you know, some of those theories have not quite evolved.

And it's certainly at the club instruction level, you know, the everyday, you know, teaching professional level, there are still, you know, if you read the PGA of America, you know, coaching manual, it's still, still a little, you know, design based off some pretty old theories. So, you know, that's, that's just not talked to. about it's interesting to me too because we all on my side of things which again i think i'm pretty 90 percent of golfers are probably pretty similar to me of and we all have this romantic notion of like i'm going to get a lesser i'm going to watch a youtube video and i'm going to i'm going to i'm going to

learn quickly how to do it properly and then i'm going to grind until i get it right right and in reality you know we've looked at tiger woods i was a great player of all time like when he's made swing changes for whatever four different golf swings he's had and he has admitted that it took him a year, two years of grinding eight, 10 hours a day on his swing before it got to a point where he felt comfortable with it. And so we as the average weekend golfer, if we do a two hour range session a week, that's grinding. That's like a lot, I think, for most people. And you're not even going to be fucking close to ingraining something that's that felt alien on Sunday. and the following Saturday when you play is now going to feel natural, not even close.

And so I guess my question to you guys would be, you know, for the for the real like average golfer, what, you know, what can they really do to most maximize their time? They've got kids. They've got jobs. They've got bills to pay. They cannot spend 40 hours a week on the driving range. They can maybe spend a couple hours a week on the driving range. what can they really do to just hit the ball better so that they could be in play and hit it pretty

consistent you know what I mean like what can they really do yeah I tell you what the first I and I would only jump in here Sean because I probably teach more average to hire handicapped players than you do sure and you know the one thing that I always try to emphasize with people because the vast majority of them you know they they can't deliver the shaft with any kind of forward leap. And if you can't learn to do that first, it's pretty hard to execute all the other things that are important in the golf swing. So, you know, like if I was trying to get somebody to be much better, I would get them to be an amazing chipper. And I don't mean like saucy little chips. I mean like standard old school ball a little back in the stance, weight on the left foot, open

stance, a touch, leaning the shaft, hitting down on it, getting your low point beyond the ball, learning how to have ground interaction. And then from there doing nine to three drills till your hands bleed, you know, like little half shots that go 70 yards where you can, you know, you feel that that ball compression that you maybe never felt before. Because that's just a microcosm of the whole swing. Like if you can do that and compress it a little half swing, that's, you know, a chip is just a mini version of a swing.

That's so interesting you say that because I did three years ago, whatever I could, during COVID. I stayed at Pinehurst for 99 days. I cried when I left the whole deal. But during that, I went in the Pinehurst Golf Academy. They were shut down because of COVID and everybody was shut down. And they were trying to basically kill time. We were trying to film stuff, whatever.

I went over there. We did a wedge charting where, you know, they basically, you guys are, I'm sure, very familiar with this. But every wedge in my bag, I have four wedges in my bag, a 60, a 56 of a gap wedge and a pitching wedge. And they were basically like hit one 50%. hit it 50% three times, hit it 75% three times, hit it 90% three times, hit it 100% three times. And we're going to chart with a track man and all the, and everything. And we're going to chart exactly how far they fly and where they end up. And it was amazing that with a hitting a 75% gap wedge,

I was infinitely more accurate hitting it 92 yards or whatever than I was hitting a 60 degree 100% in trying to hit it 92 yards. cards, like laughably more accurate. And the takeaway from it was after 30 swings or 40 swings, however many we took to chart the whole thing. After all of that, it was like, dude, if you just hit your wedges 75% and take more club, you will save infinite strokes over the course of a year of playing golf. It was a laughable difference. Yeah, I think, look, when you get done playing golf, what's the only question of people asking? What did you shoot? What did you? Right? So I think, you know, to piggyback on top of what Dave said, you know, you're a 15 to 30 handicap and I get the time constraints, right? I don't really have time to play golf because of the same reasons, right? It's like go to the range in the short game area and just bring your wedges in your putter. Like, do that for a year. Because when I am in pro-ams every week on the PGA tour, I see.

most people slice it, but they're pretty consistent with their slice. It's pretty consistent. As soon as they get around the green, you know, it takes four or five or six strokes sometimes. So, I mean, I know hitting a driver is fun, but most people don't even understand the math of how to hit a Bacher's shot. And the thing is, if you don't swing it great, you're going to have to chip and put any way. And so from a scoring standpoint, I would advise people, you know, to do that. And I think for you, with the 75%, is, Where we get off when we get the ball full, one, you don't want to get a wedge full anyways, because you need to have a certain ball speed at club head speed to create enough friction to control spin, right?

But when people go at it harder, that's where it gets ugly right there. And so when Dave talked about forward shaft lead, right? Now, Riggs, remember, the top of the back sling to impacts two and hundreds, three one hundreds of a second. There's not much I can, once my hands get to here, there's almost nothing they can do. Now, there's two fields of study there, Sashow and Jacobs, and they disagree on that. I'm kind of fall more with Sashow, Wikensi, on what he's saying. I agree with that. All the changes after this are made from the body, right?

The body can change in that time frame. So once again, when the pro center is on, at the top of the back swing, the right wrist is there and the left wrist is there. So you already preceded impact because impact is almost the same. Now, remember, you'll see DJ's like this, and he's at 40, whatever, seven degrees of left wrist flexion. At impact, he's only at 10. So, yes, the club is passing. There's no doubt.

So knowing that the club is moving faster than the hands, if you're already like this, which is like a flip, then of course you're just going to be more flipped. And that makes golf so hard for amateur because they can't make good contact. And with my pros even, when they're hitting the ball offline, they're not. Bobbler is when they have poor contact. That's when they get ball off. Right. So why not work on a position where you're already at impact? You're already there.

And then this would be, to me, on the excessive side, but would help so many more people than that. Like this is what you want to do is more in a bunker. So when you're trying to hit it fat in 10 yards, then you kind of want to get there. Well, golf is not about hitting it fat in 10 yards. Yeah. It's funny. I remember, like the first time Bubba Watson, I remember him. him going viral. It was like the first hole at the Masters and he hit it into like the ninth

fairway and they zoomed in on him and he was like crushed it though. And it was like you might have hit it way offline but he knew he's like, oh, I smoked it. And it was like that is as a golfer. It's like, yeah, I wouldn't. You know, I might have pulled that 30 yards. But dude, I felt good when I hit it. And that's, you feel like you can work with that when you're hitting it good, no matter what. Yeah. And I is the key to shooting lower scores. So if you don't have good content, but you're playing never from pin high. And all the terrible shit on the golf course is not at pin high. It's all turned to the green.

And then if you're over the green, that's almost always a guaranteed double-bow get just about every golf course. Right. Just jump just jumping in on what Sean was just saying, which is 100% accurate. I think what we're noticing too with the pro center on is most pros are not trying to drag as much lag as we want. amateurs to drag. And that's why this is so versatile.

So Cameron Champ, who Sean coaches, for example, who is like, his golf swings, unbelievable, he drags too much lag through the bowl sometimes. Okay? So I've watched Sean coaching him. I've watched Sean coaching him where he literally at the top is telling Cameron, once he lays in the cradle, he's trying to come out of the cradle, immediately, almost throwing it and trying to get the sensation of the hand working away from the cradle. So for the best players in the world, they're trying to have maybe fractional forward shaffling or try to align that club with the grip on top of the club head.

Whereas the amateur, we want them to keep that back of the hand in the cradle for as long as humanly possible. Right. So it's interesting that, and that, you know, I wouldn't say it designed it that way with that in mind, but it's kind of evolved where I'm like, wow, that's interesting. the more you talk to the best players in the world and how they feel. So I'd say the best players are trying to keep it in the cradle for the, you know, the first part of their down swing through to, you know, where the shafts last parallel of the ground. And then they've got the freedom to release it on their own pattern.

Whereas most amateurs, if they really just felt like getting their weight into their left side and lean in that shaft and keep the hand on forever, they're going to get that sensation I was talking about earlier where we're low pointing after the ball. We're hitting the ball first, creating a divot after the ball. So I think it's it's pretty unique that it works, you know, for both people. I think one thing that Sean didn't mention about the ball that he brilliantly came up with getting it really close to the wrist joints. But when you're working with the ball and the wrist cradle or even just like Cam Smith uses just the cuff and the ball a lot, we're seeing that. I mean, he hits balls like 70% of his practices with this on.

But what this does, you know, what this does is as you transition, and you squeeze the ball slightly and the trail wrist pushes into the lead wrist, it definitely aids in creating a little bit of a shallow. So, I mean, it's interesting just like things that have evolved just organically with feels that the players give us feedback and has been kind of incredible. You know, like in a tool that we felt like was, okay, this is, this has got five uses or five attributes is turned into like 15, which has just been awesome. Do you love golf?

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What's he working on that it helps him with? Yeah. Sean and I both visited with him. I probably visited a little bit more of them just when we were up in the Canadian Open. And I think ultimately, and I don't really like to speak for him because, you know, his words might be different in this. But this is just, this is me speaking, not for him. But I feel like he wants to get his arms more up and in front of him. And he wants to get his wrists.

You know, he's always going to have a little bit of an extended left wrist, a little bit of a cup wrist. a lot of that's because of his grip. So he's trying to get the shaft to be less crossed the line, less long and less cupped. It would be my interpretation of what he's trying to do. You know, what he has explained to me is he likes how it feels or where it gets him at the top of his backswing.

So getting that shaft to point more at the target or even a little fracturally laid off from the target and the arm's a little higher in front of him. you know, Sean, would that be what you would agree with? Yeah, Roy, with his grip, he's always going to be like this a little bit, right? Like, that's fine, because that's not going to stay like that forever when he start down, right? But I think where Rory gets into issues a little bit is that this right shoulder retracts too much. And when he retracts, his arms get pulled across his rib cage, and then he's kind of over here.

Now, because it's retracted, he gets a little bit across, but his arms are almost too, deep. So when they come out and go this way, then he's just underneath it. So with putting the right hand on there, it's hard to put the right hand in that position and retract the scat. You can't do it. You just elevate it. You could protract it, but you can't retract it. So this kind of movement that he gets is like he pulls the grip behind his body that's really hard to come down from I think with the driver, he's got more time. But once he gets into, say, shorter shots, there's not as much time. So the idea that he talked about, he just loved how he can put it in there.

That's having a mass, the thumb's having a massive effect on how the shoulders work. So the arms are able to do this now rather than that. So that's what I see is the biggest difference is that. Yep. Yeah. You know, Walt DeWarden, you can't really put it on and, do that. You wouldn't do that. You'd end up, I mean, it's kind of in the same position, rakes, as if you were, if you were doing overhead shoulders or just doing dumbbell press, right?

It's a very powerful position that is. You can never press anything from there. We're not, we're not ever wanting to get that retracted because that holds everything the wrong direction. So that's what I would say. It helps them elevate the shoulder and keep it. Look, all this stuff about external, it's probably internal for most players, external, slightly, and then internal again, because we're trying to get the face flip. So all the stuff about, to me, is more about the wrist than the shoulder. I think the shoulder is, you know, we can talk about people using their glutes, but if people can't use their big toe, they're not going to fire their blutes. So trying to jump off the

ground to hit the ball farther is kind of a silly idea because most people can't even jump properly. just hold on to it better and make sure that we get like this is the one thing that every 15 handicap can do exactly like a tour player is do that right mean if you can sit there on your phone you can do it it's it's not really that difficult and but the thing is as soon as this is better Dave and I did some fun DMs man where people are like you know I've had every trading aid I've begging lessons my whole life and I'm just I mean, if we posted them every day, it would take us probably two hours. And so that's, you know, when you look at the amount that we've sold with just the absolute minimum it returns,

that's proof right there that this thing is where it is at. And we don't really get any too many emails or DMs on how do I use it? You know, when you go to the website, we have the free protocols where we talk about this is what it's for. But once people get into there, this is the magic, right? It's important for shooting basketballs. This joint is the magic as it relates to sport. That's amazing. It's true.

So, yeah, like I said, I opened it this week. I opened it. I took it out of the box. I right away, I was on the protocols on the website. I'm looking. I'm like, fucking Roarer's using it. I got to use this thing. And it does.

It just gets you in that spot that is, I feel like, for the amateur. And, you know, I wanted to talk about this because it's Dan Rappaport, who obviously is, you know, part of our operation, golf journalists, he's a really good player, he's probably a plus one or so. He got a lesson during the PGA championship from Blackburn. And when they, when he, and he filmed it and we're doing the whole thing. And he said before they even went to the range, Blackburn had him go to the gym for like a half hour and saw what his body was capable of before he could even go to the range.

And I thought that was so interesting. It reminded me a lot of John Rom. When John Rahman, I think it was the memorial a few years ago, talked about his born with a club foot. And that's the way he swings the way he swings is because of he understands the limitations. He understands what his body's capable of. He just adapted. He adapted. Exactly.

And my whole point bringing all that up is that I guess to ask, do you guys feel like it's dangerous for people to see professional golf swings and try to mimic them? I mean, I wouldn't say it's dangerous. I just would say that they wouldn't be, they wouldn't have. any success doing it. Right, right. You got to, you know, when people look at Cameron Champ in slow motion and say, how do you get him to do that? It's like, I've never got him to do it. That's just, I mean, we're talking about a Michael Vic. We're talking about an absolute freak athlete. So we'll see that Cameron's butt is back and his chest is really open. So that must be where I need to go. But he's in the same position as everyone. He's just strong enough to stay in

flexion longer and flexible enough to look more asserted weights. So it's, it's, you know, to be honest with you, I would, I don't want him to be as much down there as he gets. So I want him to be taller. I want him to extend earlier to be honest. So it's, you're not going to be able, put it like this. Could we teach Bruce Lee to hit a ball like a golf professional faster than we could teach a golf professional to fight like Bruce Lee? 100%. Bruce Lee will get there quickly. Because the thing with Bruce Lee is he would be unlimited in his ability to move. So when you see these world class ball strikers, these guys. all have very special things they're able to do make like you know really special things they're able to do with their joints and their ability to separate joints and um but i think we took a world class boxer and they committed to it we could get a world class boxer at 180 all speed in probably five months but how long would it take you and i to be a decent boxer taking us huge so

oh man we be we yeah as far as going going to the gym and doing all that you know you got a Human beings are movers or supposed to move. And that's, you know, the issue for the weekend warrior is we spend all week like this or on the phone, not moving. We get out of the first tee. We just drop the kids off at baseball practice. We have 4.3 hours to get back to pick them up. And we're going to hit four or five drivers that go right to the first seat. That's how we get hurt.

Yeah. So, but how many people have 30 minutes to do a functional warm-up drill where they're activating their body? I mean, most of them are actually on the PG. You get a double, you get a double cocktail. You get like a breakfast sandwich. You go straight to the first tea. Yeah, that helps. Here we go.

That helps the gym. You know what I'm saying. And you steer one into the right rough. And you're like, all right, not bad. Here we go. Yeah. I, uh, no, it's, it's, it's, it makes me want to like stretch. Like, I just need to stretch.

I'm so pathetically inflexible that it's like, obviously I can't do that. I can't do it probably. People comment like, you look so stiff and rigid. I'm like, yeah, I can't touch my fucking toes. And like, I have a touch. touch my toes in 10 years. It's like, of course I'm stiff. So it is funny that we all want this secret, right? We all want the tip that's going to like change it. At the end of day, it's like, dude, you put no effort in on your body. You don't put in any hours at all on actually

making concrete changes to your swing that'll build muscle memory. And then you go out and you're like, well, I watch a YouTube video and I don't understand why I didn't get much better this week. No shit you didn't get better. Well, that's, and the thing is to get good at it, You know, it's like even the greatest writers in the world at some point, they learn the alphabet, and then they could write a word, and then they could write a sentence, then they could write a paragraph, and now they write Pulitzer Prize winning novels, right? That's the, as a process of probably 25, 30 years. So it's, you have to earn, you have to earn this, but breakthrough products like the pro sender,

where we're really defining, this is the biggest issue with amateur golfers is this. Right. I think it's unarguable. I really do. So at least when they go, they get better every time. And the thing that a lot of people have said is they like when they take it off, that they can then, because of the sensory feedback, they can just imagine it's on and what they were feeling. But a lot of them, when you tell them do that, they're like, I didn't know I was supposed to do that. So a lot of times, you know, we don't know what we're supposed to do. So if the concept, you know, how many people are out there holding a club, like Sam Sneed said, like it's a bird. So not tight enough that it would fly out and not, look, you're going to swing this thing as fast as you can, you better hold on to it really tight. Yeah. So the thing is like, that's a hand-me-damp, right? Like, that's the issue with golf is the tradition sometimes. The language is from those times. So, you know, drive for show, putts are dope, right, Rakes? Well, the best 10 ball strikers in the world are 13th in the world ranking. Best putters are 65th.

So a four-foot putt is something that my mom, who's 80, can do almost as well as everyone on floor. The difference is the difference between the greatest players of all time you could argue is their ability to hit it far and their ability to hit it high. And that's when you're starting to get into, you know, athletic stuff. To be able to generate speed and then be able to hit that ball straight up in the sky like Rory, like Tiger, like Nicholas, like BJ, like all those guys. You know, that is, that that's what we see. A Foles. A Foles. A Foles, remember when we had Charles Howell out for the golf school and somebody asked him about grip pressure? He's like, yeah, Sam Sneed, you know, he used to talk about holding it like a bird. He's like, I hold it like a bald eagle diving for like a fish in the ocean. He goes, I don't know, I don't know what he's holding on to, but like I'm gripping that thing so tight, which kind of goes to, you know, to your point. There's no way you're holding it soft and loose. You might walk a little bit. Right. Riggs. There's, there's. enough evidence to show us that that's happening, but people are still saying hold it like a bird,

but the evidence is, no, don't do that yet. If you're putting or chipping, of course, you're trying to, you're trying to not generate force. But if you're trying to generate force, she better get ready. You know what I mean? Totally. I've done that in the range a few times where I'm like, I'm okay, it's grip pressure, dude. I'm going to hold it really lightly. And like the club face is like this when I try to hit the ball. And it's like, of course I mean, right? Like you said, it's like everybody talked about tempo forever. And obviously tempo is important, whatever.

But like then there was Bryson in 2020 or 2021 like going up before he hit his T shot. Being like swinging as fast as he fucking could. It's like, well, yeah, he's carrying it like 350. It's like you're not trying to delicately like place it out that. You're trying to hit the ball over three football fields. So everyone listening, right, they want to hit it further. say for fun. They want to go out and get their personal best club head speed, right? If they really increase the length of the back swing as much as they can. So get the back swing as long as you can,

but take it back as fast as you can. You will create more club at speed. So the guys on tour will do the same thing, but they'll just lose accuracy. So they have enough speed to where you could take it to the top and go to take a full stop and still smash a golf ball, right? You got Georgie Yankis with the freezer drill. He gets to almost the same clubhead speed from a freeze. But when guys want to rip it, they take it back faster. And we're telling all these people who want more clubhead speed to take it back slow and then speed. The math is on the side of being fast already. You see? So there's so many solutions. We just have to be able to get where everyone's more on the right, on the right page. Right. Like there's not one car mechanic in the world who is going to tell you to

start your car with diesel unless it's a diesel engine and and we're still we're still putting the we're still putting the we're still putting diesel in buggades it's ridiculous it doesn't need to be it's interesting davy you're gonna yeah i feel bad you have my number now because i'm going to be out there on the range just you're going to have to invoice me i love this shit it's just it's the best i you know the best we can't tell raves the best part about this game too is like it it when you're hitting it good the food tastes better dinner's better your cocktails are sweeter like you're everybody's nicer your relationships better oh everything's great man when you're hitting it like an asshole the world sucks you're just like a trusty old man i have no experience in that raid's only only about

nine people i can't even imagine i can't even imagine but yeah it's that you know it's an addiction it's i got to give credit to like jo rogan who he's said many times on his show people come on they ask him if he plays golf and he goes nope because everybody i know that plays golf is addicted to it he goes and i know that if i play golf once i'll get addicted to it and i just don't have time for that shit but he's 100% correct he's like it's it's it's the it's the worst slash best addiction my entire life uh and it's just trying to breaks yeah yeah it's it is it is and it does give you it does force you to have a reflection upon yourself in a bad way like when you're playing good, you're like, oh, I should play good.

This feels good. When you're playing bad, you, you know, you talk to yourself. You're like, I must be a bad person. Totally. I mean, you just, it's so bad. I'm a pathetic loser. I'm a pathetic loser. Like, I don't deserve anything.

Yeah. What a great game. What a great game. All right, boys, we got to do this again. I want to do, I, I'd like to do like continual updates or something along those lines because I've got this thing. I was shadows swinging it in my apartment. other day. I'm going to go out to the range with it for the first time this week.

I know Alistair goes crazy on it. He's teed off here pretty soon. But yeah, I really appreciate the time. I think, you know, you guys are like doctors, really. It's like we just mentioned it, but it's like when you can help people with their golf games, hit it better, if you're a golf nut, like we all are that are probably listening to this show, it dramatically changes every aspect of your life when you're playing good golf for you. And boy, does it suck when you're playing shit golf. So you guys are doing God's work out there. And yeah, we appreciate congratulations on the success with the pro cinder. I know, I imagine I saw with the website and everything, but that Rory bump, I think the Rory bump's pretty real. Yeah, certainly, certainly all.

I mean, even going into when Rory started using it, we were already miles ahead of where we anticipated. We had already sold out four time. So, but yeah, it certainly, certainly helped. And now it just kind of brought just a little bit more spotlight to it. But yeah, if anyone wants to check it out, go to www. www.procendergolf.com. And then be sure to check us out at ProCenter Golf on Instagram, Sean Foley Performance on Instagram, and David Woods, PGA. I love it.

It's ProCender S-E-N-D-R. Yeah. So everybody gets it right. Procendergolf.com. Again, it's not a fucking infomercial. We're not getting any money off of this. I just think it's great when people have an opportunity. opportunity to play better golf and hit the golf ball better. I think it's so much more fun.

Life's better. Like I said, dinner tastes better. Everything, your relationship's better. Everything's fucking great when you hit the ball better. So, um, so I appreciate the time. I appreciate you guys coming on. I know you're doing God's work. I know you probably, the DMs you guys must get. I get a lot of them. I came in imagine being in that realm, uh, with the emotional attachment people have to their golf games. Uh, it's a hell of an effort you guys are making. And, and congratulations, honestly on the pro sender i know it took years to get this thing going and it's not easy creating a training aid like i said after hundreds of years of people coming out with these types of things um so congrats and i want to do an update soon i want to do kind of a a

a progressional thing where we kind of see how we're how we're doing with this thing because i uh like i said there's i'm going to band and i'm like a week and a half and i'm like if i can hit the ball decently abandoned it'll just make my life a billion times better we need to do a little before and after with you on pro sender. I'm in. Yeah, I think I think, I picture you right now with the beer in hand, the pro sender in the hand laying on my help so we can work through this attachment. You have your relationships even getting way worse when you're not playing well. We could do a little both, Rick. I love it. I've been there with Max Homa. His wife, Lacey, who's awesome, has like pictures of me and Max at like one in the morning with a bottle of red wine sitting

on the floor. And he's like showing me club positions in the whole deal. So I've been there before. Again, I want to warn you, it's a herculean effort to try to get this swing in a proper spot. But it means a lot to everybody. Everybody's got their own relationship to the game. So, yeah, I appreciate the time. We'll keep updating people. And yeah, keep going. Good luck with everything, fellas.

Thanks, buddy. Thanks, Rick. Thank you, boys.