Fore Play - SHOOTER!!!! And Jim Herman

Episode Date: August 20, 2020

We are joined by two very, VERY special guests for today’s episode. First, the most recent PGA Tour winner Jim Herman (60:41) comes on to talk about his outrageous 61-63 weekend, what this win means to him, playing with Kiz, and more. Then we’re joined by Christopher McDonald 86:32 aka Shooter McGavin and he does not disappoint. He tells us the story behind Shooter’s finger guns, becoming a better golfer to play Shooter, his viral moment at the Barstool Sports Super Bowl party, and more. Then we talk Northern Trust, the Winged Foot logo, and tons more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, four play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. FedEx Cup playoff time. We got TBC Boston, the Northern Trust. They're in the Northeast, which is where we are. So it's always cool when they come up this way. Orge and I lived in the Boston area for a long time. Sucks that they can't have the fans, especially because they do the rotation now instead of a staple every year because they kind of limited the playoffs and cut it down to three from four. and that seems like a decade ago that they did that because the whole world has changed so dramatically since then. I also was thinking about I was listening to JT talk about participating in the playoffs and getting to the FedEx Cup and getting to the to East Lake to the tour championship and just forgot that they started 10 under bar if you're leading the whole fucking thing.

The fact that we did that last year and that they're going to continue to do it. So it is playoff time. There's a lot to get to and a lot to cover. We got a big show too. We have Jim Herman on the show, who's the most recent winner on the PGA Tori, just won on Sunday at the Wyndham Championship. We talked a lot about his hilarious stats of being only in the, finishing only in the top 25 twice in the last two seasons.

Both of those he just won. And we get into his career. He played with kids the first two rounds. He chirps kids a little bit about how short he hits it. He's one of the few players he can hit it. So it's a good interview with Jim Herman, who's coming off fresh off a win. And then we also got Shooter, Fucking Megatvin. We got Chris McDonald, who's hilarious.

He loves the shooter character. We talk a lot about Happy Gilmore. We talk about 2K21 coming up. They put a video out with him and JT. And who's the rapper? I don't know these guys. Cool Boy Q. There you go.

The Ms. The Ms. And the Ms. He loved the Ms. He loved the Ms. So Shooter's on the damn show, and he just leans right into Shooter. We have about a half hour with him. It's very, very funny.

We can talk about the making of the movie and the origins and how it's become a cultural, kind of an iconic movie, especially with golf. So it's fun with Shooter. It's fun with Jim Herman. I really appreciate that. Same with Brian Baumgartner, where you've got these guys who have iconic, you know, pop culture roles, and they lean into it. They don't lean away from it. Because, you know, there are people who are famous for certain roles who don't lean into it. And it's like, but come on, man, that's like your thing. But Christopher McDonald is the exact opposite. He loves being Shooter McGavin.

He knows that's a big part of who he is, and he really does lean into it. appreciate that you have to people that don't do it are assholes like that's why you are rich and famous is because you played a role incredible and also like imagine being mad that people type cast you it's like oh your your your movie was so popular and your role was so good that people can only know you as that like that just means that you were extremely successful in that movie i hate people that'll be like oh no like i do other stuff like don't call me that or whatever is jason alexander one i feel like he's he gets he gets upset about being george Costanza when people kind of typecast him that way.

I can't, I mean, maybe I'm making that art. I think there, no, I think there was the arc in Curb Your Enthusiasm where it was like, where he talks about like, I'm sick of being George. I don't want to be George. I'm more than George. But yeah, also that, I think that was a Costanza type. Right, right. I was thinking that too, right.

There was a lot of levels to it. But there are people, but there are actors and actresses for sure who resent being iconic characters. And I can sort of see it because you're like, more than that, but just do what works. Shooter McGavin, iconic, the fucking finger pistols, which we get into, just embrace it. People love it. So those are coming up.

They're great interviews and Shooter was shooter. I mean, he's just the fucking voice. Hearing his voice is just his laugh out loud funny because you, you quoted it a thousand times, the memes, the videos, the movie, it's one of those, and he alludes to it. Whenever it's on TV, you should have to watch it. You can't be like, oh, Happy Gilmore's on. I'm going to flip for the next thing. No, you're locked in for a couple hours because Happy Gilmore's not.

good and it's that iconic. We also had maybe the most technical trouble with him of all time where we saw him for like 10 minutes and then he was just like we'd start it and we'd like, Shooters here and you'd hear him like slip into the shooter voice like ha like took on that one. But then it would like it would like go like and then we'd be like, ah, you're back? And he's like, yeah, back. And then we're like, all right, this is a fucking nightmare. So we ended up just having him call in.

But I would have loved to see him because he slipped into the shooter voice so many times. that I would love to see his face and his facial expressions and him actually doing the guns and the pistols. But like we ended up having to call him in because it was a goddamn nightmare trying to get that thing to be clear. 8-2 is going in and out so much that he'd be like, no, it's fine now. I can see you guys clearly.

He'd be like, no, I know, but like in eight seconds, it's just not going to be clear. And then the whole time where producer Jake was trying to give him the number, it was crystal clear like 4K internet, where the whole time it was. just completely fine. But then any time we'd try to fire up the interview again, it would go crazy. Yeah, it was the toughest time we've had on Zoom during quarantine by far. We had to read him a number to call into the podcast and it was like a 47 digit number. It was like you had to call a number

and then like we didn't know if he was hitting the plus one. And then finally he had to get, once he called the number, then we had to quickly give him another set of like nine digits and then hit a pound sign. And at one point he, we finally got him to do. And at one point he, we finally got him to do it and then he just hit the call button. We're like, no, you've got to hit the pound. He's like, okay, we've got to restart that whole thing again. I remember I just, I wanted to crawl underneath my couch and never come back up at that moment.

But eventually, eventually he called it. I know that was bad. Oh, yeah, the Marcus Ware was bad because we had to tell him to leave the simulator he was in. We're like, ah, like it's a cool, cute idea. You're in there, but the Wi-Fi is horrible. Like, you got to get out of there and he's like, ah, all right, and like, walked out. It was bad.

Then he walked through his castle to talk to us about golf, which was cool. But, yeah, we have Shooter and we have Jim Herman. So stay too, and those interviews are coming up in a few minutes. Owens. We've got to talk to you about Owens. You're going to talk to about the Postal Transfusion. Weekends coming up. You're going to be fired up.

You're going to be wanting to play some golf. Those summer weekends are kind of dwindling, so you've got to maximize them. You've got to get the best you can out of them. I don't know if that was like a wind tunnel. Somebody just interviewed or something, but I heard it. Anywho. I kind of took a deep breath. That was Frankie for sure.

Did you hear that? That was just a deep breath. Yeah, I don't even know how much I, I don't even know how much I exiled. It was more of like a deep breath in. Stressful day? A stressful night last night, but it's fine. The Islanders are fine.

That was the best hockey game of the series. Let's finish this Owensry before you two start going at each other. It was a great reason to cancel them talking to say, no, we actually haven't talked about the partial transfusion. There's just one little thing that came up was just like The NHL has a lot of times in which now with the COVID and the bubble that you have to practice. And for an 8 p.m. game, the Islanders got the earliest practice slot. They had to have an 8 a.m. wake up for an 8 p.m. game.

So about the drink. We got to get you a cocktail. We've got to get you nice refreshing. Barstool transfusion by Owen. It's got the perfect mix and combination of ginger ale, grape juice. You put a little vodka in there, Frankie. Take the edge off. You won't be using your mind, pouring your hair out of it.

about practice slots and whatever the fuck else you're coming up with is an excuse. Just go to Owensmixers.com. You can find the store locator, Frankie. You can drive right over your little store. You can pick up a couple packs in the transfusion, and you can just chill out a little bit and prepare for game five. When's game five, Frankie? You excited for game five?

Thursday night. I am excited. I mean, they're getting, and also you can stop in by a little place called Borrellys and get a transfusion as well. We're having those out of our patio. So my dad's pumped to bring out some of those cans. You get a little bit, he's going to come over with a little bit of vodka in the glass, and then you can pour it yourself with a whole little show.

So it's, go go get your. A little show. Yeah, it is. On the, the outdoor seating, the patio. That's right. How's that kicking? How's that kicking? We got the indoor now 50%.

So it's like, it's starting to rev up a little bit. But the outdoor area has been a hit. I mean, it sucks that it took this long to do that. Like, we should have done that 10 years ago. I'm hoping a lot of those stay in New York City, especially. It feels a little European, but it's a cool look. that there's a good amount of outdoor seating and people being creative with it. Hope that doesn't all just disappear whenever, you know.

Yeah, I mean, local governments are usually the worst things of all time. So I have a feeling like after a year, they're going to be like, oh, yeah, you owe us like a $20,000 fee for putting up like a fence and outdoor seating and shit. And people are just going to like, I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. But hopefully, hopefully they do the right thing and just let people keep it. Because it's like, it's not hurting anyone. And like you said, it makes business just better.

A little small business political Frankie here also. Yeah. Has local government stepped in? So have you owe us 20 grand for a fence? Well, they want, so like, if you put up like a fence fence, it's usually like an addition to your building. So you got to pay for all this sort of zoning rights. Even if you own the land, it's crazy. But right now they're kind of like turning a blind eye to it.

And they're like, all right, like, it's just like we're going to give people these certificates to get their stuff going. And the next year we'll reconsider. Like if you have like a local official, people can call. and talk to or something, Frank? Write a letter? Yeah. Pretty good following here. No, I don't have, no, I don't have anyone that I want to bury just yet because it's like,

you know, we're going, it's the whole thing's a fucking nightmare with small businesses. I mean, we'll see what happens, like, come next year, but like, I'm not going to get into the whole thing. It's crazy. Let us know. Just let us know if it gets to that point, you know, it might be something we can do. Anyway, get a drink. Game five tomorrow.

I'm not nervous, but like they're getting backs from back. It's like you kind of let them, you kind of open the door a little bit. But it was also a good game, like they were just saying, like, fucking the capitals, like had their backs against the wall. The islanders looked a little sluggish in the second and third period. That was bound to happen. Ovi's a fucking Neanderthal. I've never seen anyone like that.

He skipped, like, I've said this in the opposite of the day. He skipped like two or three steps in evolution. Like, like they, like you see that thing where it's like they're like evolving and like the, like the body starts forming. He stopped at like, like, two stops. before us and was in like a hyperbolic chamber and like and someone found him in fucking like arctic Russia and they're like opened up this fucking door and he just came out like what's going on they're like you have to play hockey now and he just came and played hockey did the guy drinks

it can't be it can't be hyperbolic chamber it can't be it simply cannot be I don't know what it is but it's not that hyper hyper hyper baric hyper because okay because you will use the word like basically hyperbole, which has nothing to do with freezing someone like Austin Powers. Hyperbaric chamber. That sounds more right.

Sorry, I couldn't think about being about I'm like, who's he looking at? I was looking at you because I could not think about anything else after you said hyperbolic chamber. But Ovi's just in the end of though. He drinks Dr. Pepper on the fucking bench. So it's like, does he really?

Yeah. Holy shit. But I'm confident in the island is, I mean, we have three more games to, like, to get one in. So let's just figure that out. You're up three to one. You're up three to one. You should be, you're fine. You shouldn't be bad.

I think we're fine. TBC Boston, it's Northern Trust Week. We've got, you know, I mean, we've seen the course million times. Tigers playing great field. Tigers most likely going to be playing if he, if he does well in these first two events, you'll be playing four out of five weeks. We've got three playoff events here, Chicago and the East Lake. And then we've got the U.S.

at wing foot coming up. So, you know, it's a big stretch. He, of course, has had issues with his back, with his body. There were even concerns when he played and showed up at Muirfield Village not that long ago that his back wasn't in great shape all the time. That was going to dictate how he can play. We were a little bit upset that he didn't play more in the year, but I think now we're going to see why, because him going four out of five weeks in the fall is very demanding on someone like Tiger Woods, who's 44 years old and been through a shit done, as we all know. It's well documented. of Wingfoot, Justin Thomas came out with some quotes that I think are going to get everyone excited about the U.S. Open coming up about the next major championship. He said, it's really hard.

I absolutely loved it. It's one of my favorite, if not my favorite courses I've ever played. It's right there in front of you. It's not tricked up. Nothing is hidden. You just stand in the tee and you're about 490 yards away. You have a really narrow fairway and a pretty severe green. There are a lot of holes like that. So Wingfoot has delivered massacres. We've seen seven overwin there before. The last time U.S. Open was there in 2006. Phil Mickelson collapsed on the 72nd hole, and Jeff Ogil be won at five over par.

That was the winning score was five over par. I think if you were 11 over, you were inside the top 10. So that tells you what we can expect. At Wingfoot coming up, these guys, you know, I mean, it has been 14 years. These guys hit it farther. They can get the ball up in the air. They can spin it, technology, strain.

technique, all that has changed pretty dramatically. So I would find it really hard to believe that it's going to be that over par. But I think JT, another interview he gave, he alluded to he wouldn't be surprised if six over par or something like that won the tournament. So it's just really cool to hear that about Wingfoot. What do you guys think about Wingfoot's logo? I personally, nothing against them, I think it's the worst of all time. Whoa.

Is that a clickbait take? No, I don't like it. I'm staring at it right now. and it always throws me off. It's just like that gross... Are you looking at the right logo? It's maybe the best logo. One of the most iconic in golf.

I don't like it. I don't like looking at toes and like toenails. Like it's weird. I mean, don't act like I. We have a foot fetish because it's a good looking logo. Really stare at it and you think that's a good looking logo. It looks like it was made in clip art. It's a foot with a wing coming out of it and two golf clubs behind it.

Like could you have any more? like creativity. It's crazy. Are you mad? Are you mad? Because like Whitney's shit on your... No! It has nothing to do with that. I just genuinely, like the more you look at it, especially a high-depth version of it where you see like the toenails on it and stuff, it's a very strange logo for a golf course. Like, yeah, maybe there's like a cool part of that where it's like very weird,

so people like that. But man, when you look at like an HD version of the Witt logo, it really makes you feel weird. So I haven't seen any with the toenails on it. I don't think that. This one might have the toenails on it. Yeah, you got the Tone. Yeah, the U.S. Open one is the one I'm looking at. And they really fucking spiced that thing up.

They added a lot of detail to that foot. They got a toenail on there, and it just makes you feel real weird. I don't know. Like, like, I will say, I think that the logo looks, it's one of the best looking logos on merch. You put it on a pullover,

just right on the front of a hat or, all right, I'll show. I'm track. I'm going to backtrack a little bit on when you look at it. So the U.S. Open logo is the one I was looking at. And they really went HD on it. And it's the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen. When you look at the West logo, like the, like, if you scroll down on Google images,

and you look at like just the one that's, like, kind of blurry, and it doesn't have as much detail in the golf clubs. And the toes don't, you can't really see the toes, but you really just see like a nondescript wing, it looks a lot better. But that fucking U.S. Open one, and I love the U.S. Open one, And I love the U.S. Open. We're very friendly with the U.S. Open. You did not need to put that much detail on the feet.

You really didn't. It doesn't bother me. Oh, like Wingfoot, for me, they do March Madness brackets about golf course logos, and Wingfoot wins them all the time. Wingfoot logo is as sharp as it gets. It's unique. It's clean. It's just, it's awesome.

Too clean. It's like this. Frankie's, Frankie can smell those toes. I can. I can. I can. I don't know. But Lurch, like you love that logo more than anything, and you saw the one that I was looking at, and you felt a little different about it, didn't you?

Toonails, I agree. Like, it's winged foot. It's not winged toes. Like, you don't have to have to. And I think that's just like, oh, we can do more with technology. Like, let's make it more clear. Like, you don't like the work is all you need. I think the logo is absolutely pristine and beautiful.

And I don't think the toenails will come out on a shirt or a half. Okay, good. So I think we'll be saying it's a little different with the tone. But it's, it's a lesson for all people. Like, we don't need to change things. We don't need to get, like, we don't need to bring everything to 21st century. It's not broken. I hope now, like, USGA, I hope they send us all, like, gear for you.

And they just don't send any for Frankie because Zee doesn't like the logo. Or just give all toenails. Listen, the more, like, when I looked at the old school version of it, I liked it a lot more. Anyone that's listening to this take and thinks that I'm just trying to fire off, like, hot takes. I don't think that's true. I think you need to type in 2020 U.S. open wing foot logo and you need to see what I'm talking about because it boy is it all you look you go straight to the big toe like and it shouldn't be like that you should see the wing first more than anything

so don't bring my eyes it's like you know when like people are making logos it's kind of like a madman episode with like back in the day they were like trying to figure out like the right way to to like use marketing and stuff like they should have sat around and been like what's the first eye point that people like the visual point people what are people drawn to yeah what are people drawn to and I'm drawn to that big toenail, and that's not good. Like, I don't want to think of a toenail when I think of wingfoot. I think they did a great job with it. I don't think.

I think you're just you. Just too HD, man. It's crazy. More of a you think. J.T. went on to say, he talked about kind of being on a play practice round up there. He said I was not going to make the mistake that he made to the PGA, where those guys took a flight from the WGC, Memphis right over to San Francisco, didn't really get much time, I didn't get to get all the way out west and do many practice rounds or anything like that.

He said I was not going to make that mistake for the U.S. Open. I was very fortunate with us playing up here in the North. Just go check it out for two rounds. That way, whenever I decided to come for the S Open, I'm not completely starting from scratch. So, J.T., if that means J.T. is doing that. That obviously means Tiger was doing that as well, which I like. We spoke a little bit about it on the last show. But any time that Tiger is getting out there early and preparing and taking something that seriously,

that's a really, really good sign for us. because he's the greatest of all time. So if that fucking guy is locked and loaded and focused on it and already thinking about Wingfoot and already coming up with a strategy and preparing, that's very good news. He's not happy the last time he was there. He was the first major championship since his father had passed away.

He missed the cut. He said afterwards that he was pissed. And then he went on to win the next two major championships in 2006. So clearly he, I think, is looking for a little bit of revenge at Wingfoot. Wingfoot's also about as iconic as it gets, even if some people don't like the logo, which is incredibly rare, but some people might not. Bobby Jones, tons of U.S. Open, the Phil Nicholson collapsed. It's got all this history in Tiger Woods is one who likes to stamp his name on history.

So I love the fact, again, that we're already getting wing foot chatter. And one of us is going to be there. Actually, when this show comes out, you people, you listeners out there, will know who won tonight. the PJ2K21 play-in round where I believe we're going to do 18 holes of stroke play at a course to be determined and the winner of that round will play wing foot in a week,

less than a week next Tuesday, I think it is. So a lot at stake, we're going to get to look at the course ourselves. One of us is. As long as everyone involved. Why are you smirking? I'm just, it's going to be a very interesting round of golf because I, again, people are going to know the results

by the time this comes out. But, like, I think I'm pretty good at that game, but it sounds like we are going to be messing with the difficulty to the point where I don't think I'm going to be very good at the game. So I liked my chances earlier in the week, and my, you know, my confidence is getting lower and lower as we get closer to game times. Yeah, I'm interested, like, who's the favorite in this group?

Because I saw Frankie and Trent stream, and, like, Frankie's game was not impressive when we watched you play Dr. Death or whoever that was. but I didn't see the other streams. I kind of had a busy week last week, so I couldn't participate. And I know Riggs usually beats me in it, and I feel like we're the worst of the four, though. I'm interested. All right, so we cannot play on the easiest level because I'll shoot a 58.

Like, I shot 58 yesterday and playing it. Right. It's too easy. Then I bumped it up, like, a difficulty or two, and I shot 101. Like, I couldn't get the ball in the hole. So I think that just makes it a month. much easier playing around because like I couldn't do the wind. I couldn't figure out how to get it to land softly. Like maybe like if you guys have like a better golf sense, you'd

be able to figure it out more than me. I just couldn't figure out anything. I think everyone needs to take their time on each shot and like really study each swing and like, well, we need to make it a harder difficulty to make it even if that makes any sense. Because the easier difficulty, I absolutely dominate. I would dominate it. Yeah, I think it needs to be on a harder difficulty. If it's on super easy, there's no way I can shoot a 58. So I think it need that will even the playing field. And I think with stroke play, you're saying the putting is changed. And I feel like with everybody playing Tiger Woods as they grown up, like you get the swing, just like back and forward. And then it's about

kind of like navigating the wind and, you know, change of height and elevation, that sort of thing. But putting, when they like took away that like stroke meter of how far to bring it back and then it became a field thing, it's changed the game in putting. to where now you can like Twitch or just wherever. The ball can go wherever. So now they brought back the meter. It's less feel, which I think is sometimes harder because if you're like not perfect on the meter,

it juices it like you wouldn't believe. But we also have to come to a conclusion, which people have already known what we've decided, there is a putt preview. And now you can choose how many putt previews you get per app. So it's like getting zero. You want zero putt previews. I mean, you can golf you don't get a putt preview.

Okay, all right. I think you get one on the front nine. I've never played this game before. I think you should get one. Also, like it has the beads, right? Yeah, I never used it. I don't even use the, what's the point of the putt preview?

You know if it breaks one way. I don't care if it's zero. You have no idea. Or a million. Because I don't use the pup previews anyway. I use the beads. Yeah, you use the beads also, but basically a pup preview means like, you set where you think it's going to go and you get like one or two.

chances of hitting A and it says like, all right, like if you were to put this right now, this is exactly where the break would go. And you can adjust based off of that. I think you get one on the front line. It's not like here's exactly how to get it in the hole. It's like you have to adjust where you think the break is going to go first and then hit it.

Yeah, because you don't, it basically gives you a better chance to make the puck. Because sometimes you just read the puck. Most times you get it's like, all right, like, yeah, like aim here. It's better than it. It's better than a caddy, but it's, it's better than a caddy, but it's almost like getting well no it's almost like when a caddy gives you a spot like paint the picture here's your hole

that's exactly what it is I mean I'm not going to use it so you guys can find no I'm not I won't use it either then you fucking bitch like fine whatever fuck you I'm not using you were going to use it I'm not going to use it whatever still staring at those toes I got it on a text thread I texted it to Whitney I said you like these toes did you respond

no no you didn't respond It'll be interesting. It'll be interesting. I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot on the line. There's a lot on the fucking line, especially with all this chatter about Wingfoot right now. I think everybody's antsy.

Everybody wants to see it. See what JT's talking about. And somebody's going to win and get to go see it. Okay. We got more to get to. Speaking also of being antsy and things you like to see, Peter Millar. Okay.

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welcome to the major club. That was the quote apparently that he said to. An incredible quote. Big timeline. That's got to be better than winning the major for Kalamorkela. That moment. That moment. where Tiger Woods, your idol, the reason you play the game of golf, the reason you love the game of golf, comes over to you and says, hey, welcome to the super duper exclusive club. You're one of us now. Congratulations. Is it that exclusive, though? It's the hardest thing to accomplish in the sport, right?

So it's not necessarily that it's super exclusive, but it is the ultimate goal is to win a major championship if you're a professional golf. Well, it's exclusive if you look at, you know, the entire population of people. And you're like, how many of people, how many of these? What's the percentage of these people that have won a major championship in golf? That's a very exclusive club, yes.

Right. Yeah. What's your point there? Although, like, Zach John, like, you get guys like, I don't know, you get Zach Johnson. Like, is it the same elite club when, like, Kalamorakao? Like, does he feel like, all right, like, yeah, Tiger Woods is saying it to me, but there's a guy over there with, like, man tits and he's got fucking, like, mittens over his hands, and he won one, too.

It's like, is it really that cool? You know what I mean? Winning a major? I know it's that cool, but I'm just saying for a year for every year. It's like, let's go. Like, fucking it's, it's not like, you know what the champions dinner is my point. You know what I think?

Elite clubs and that is like you get into that champions there, that makes me feel like, all right. Like, if Tiger Woods opened the door to me at Augusta and was like, welcome to dinner, I'd be like, holy fucking. So you're shitting on the PGA championship. No, I'm not sure of the PGA championship. The championship would be that big of a deal. Oh, I don't want you guys to say it's the most elite club in the world.

Like, it's like I felt like we were teetering on that. You know what it is an exclusive. Teetering on it. An exclusive club is Tiger Woods walking up to you and saying, welcome to the major championship club. I would imagine he doesn't do that with every new major winner, but he sees Colin Moracowah. He knows he's the future.

He knows what's going on. He's saying, hey, congratulations. I think he says that to him because he's like, this guy's going to win more than just one. Yeah. There's a lot of gamesmanship, though, and that? Like, I think there's, yeah, a little bit of, like, congrats. But, like, I don't know.

I think there's a little gamer and Tiger there that. I took it, I took it a little bit of Tiger being, like, congrats on eating your piece of broccoli. Now you can sit at the adult table. Like, it was almost a little bit, like, welcome to, like, my fucking club. Now you're up against the real. Like, this is where the real, this is where the real game began. I've got 15 of them.

Like, I know you got your little. one like welcome to the club like what's really it's almost like he became he entered like the challenger tier now at the top where it's like okay now this is the real fucking game welcome to the club yeah that's exactly that's kind of exactly how i took it like oh no i mean you did that's almost like you played it you know yeah level below but now you're actually participating with the big my only argument against that is that in the past i don't think tiger was congratulating anybody about winning a major championship he was pissed that he didn't win it and he didn't want anything to do with the person that won it. So I don't see him. I feel like we cut it

anyway, because we're huge Tiger fans, we cut it in a way that it's like, oh, he's trying to fuck with these people. When I think part of it is he's genuinely going up to Kalamorakawa, looking at him as a young guy and being like, congratulations on winning this major. Listen, I'm all on board if we want to say, he's saying it and looking at me in the eye and being like, you're now in my world. But I think there is a very real part of him that's like, congratulations, is Collin Morikawa. Right, but I do think, yeah, I guess I sit on the side of, like, Tiger Woods is a gamer. He finds out ways to win, whether it's on my course or mentally.

And, like, any way that he could add pressure to Colin Moracawa's plate and just being like, no, now you're with, like, now you're part of this crew, but it only gets harder from here. Yeah. It's kind of like the message that I think the tiger's also saying with that. I would have loved to have had the audio of it. Purely a compliment. I think there is some of that on the surface, but I think if you go deeper, it's like,

no, no, now you're with us and, like, it only gets harder. It is one of those things where it's also with the written word, too. We don't have the audio of it, so we don't know what kind of spin he put on it, and that adds a lot of context. Yeah, he also, like, he didn't say, congrats on winning a major. He said, like, welcome to the court, right?

Like, he made it a little bit about himself, which I like, you know, like, he could have easily said, congratulations, great tournament. Instead, he said, oh, by the way, I've been here for decades. It's cool. Like, it's cute that you walked in now and you have arrived. Like I thought, I think it was a little bit, he could have said it differently and he didn't.

And that was on purpose. I'm sorry. Well, I was just going to say, if we ever get Colin Markow on the show again because he has been on before, we'll ask him, how did you take this? How did you take that compliment, quote unquote, from Tiger Woods? So it is a pretty cool club. there's been 452 majors of all time. Okay. Okay.

Guess how many different men have won majors? Oh, man. 452 majors. So although the USM and the amateur championship were once considered to be majors, they no longer are recognized as such. So they are not included. They are not. Those are not included in the list.

Okay. So for anyone that really wants to do the math, and fact check me, those are not considered on this list. So, 452 majors. 175 major winners. I guess, 2.11. I'm going to say 194. Wow, Riggs was pretty close.

224. Okay. How many do you think of won two? Two or more? Have one at least two, yeah. Holy five. Yeah, you can do some math here. I want to tell you I think it's higher than you guys think.

Let me stop before we do that guess. 224 people is an exclusive club. It's a super exclusive. Super exclusive. Do you know how many people have lived? Like that's not even a 0.1% of a 0.1% of a 0.1% of people that have ever lived. It's an incredibly exclusive club. One of the most exclusive clubs in the world.

Let me say this. For everyone that's picked up a golf club, the fact that's a only 224 people that have won bad thing. It's one of the most exclusive clubs in the world. You should start walking around, Frankie, and be like, welcome to the 12 handicapped. There's more people that work at Barstall Sports than have one major championships in golf.

I'll be honest. When I was saying that, like, oh, like there's four majors every year. I thought, like, we were going back to BC times. I'm like, there's thousands of majors. There's probably 10,000 major winners. And all of a sudden, I'm thinking, I'm like, let me search this, because it's probably around like 400,

something majors, right? Like 100 years, four majors. Fucking 224 guys. Now, you have to guess how many of those players have won at least two? I'm going to say, I'm going to say, 90. I'm going to say 72. 52. 82.

Wow. It's higher than I thought, honestly. Yeah. Wow. And it starts to get, how many, do you have the whole list of like how many of one, three, how many have one three? No, no, I don't. on.

Yeah, I mean, like you, most people, 99.9% of the people in the world will go their entire lives and never even meet a major champion. Like, never. Right. Right. Like, you'd be hard pressed to find a more exclusive club than the ones who have won a major championship in golf. So, 224 is just such a low number.

Well, yeah, I guess we can do that. Yeah, there's been 30 people that have won three. and there's been 20 people that have won four and there's been 14 people that have won five yeah that's the list I was trying to get to and there's been 12 people that have won six seven people that have won seven six people that have won eight

four people that have won nine three people that have won 11 and two people that have won 15 yeah I think we can get it from one guy that's 11 we can take it from that well we don't know he's those are up for debate I guess Those are easy, I feel like, but we don't talk about that. Five PGA championships.

Jesus, Jack. Jack's career is ridiculous. Six Masters, six Masters, four U.S. opens, three opens, and five BJA championships. Oof. Oh, that's strong. Fuck. Harry Varden, Walter Hagan, no Masters. Well, they were...

Well, it's because there wasn't, yeah. They were pre-masters. Pre-masters, that's right. When was the first Masters? It wasn't 1929. There was... Wow. Something.

I thought it would be in the 1920s for sure. That was in the 30s. Can you name the top five countries of major winners? Top five countries? USA. Boom. That's a good one. What a great country.

South Africa. That's in the top five, but it's not two. But we're going for top five. So that's one of them. That's fair. That's fair. We're going to do them in order. England

Yep Australia Yep Come on Rigsie No chance you get this next one And it's got to be Wow

Wow Is it I'm torn between Like I'm torn between Scotland or like Spain I was thinking Spain I was thinking Spain Because Sevy's got a good amount

Sergio's got one. That's kind of, I mean, that's kind of it. Me knowing the answer has me on the edge of my sit. Oh, man. I'm going to say, who all would have won many from Scotland is the thing. I don't know that there have been. I guess if you go all the way back like Old Tom Morris

was winning fucking British opens in the 1800s like they were nothing. Now I'm going to say Scotland. Bingo. Dang. Yes, let's go. Yeah. Come on. That was impressive, dude.

I was. Dude, so Spain is seven, six, you'll just never guess. It's Jersey. What are you talking about? What did you just say? Where's your 1890s, 1900s? Tell me what you mean by that. There's a country called Jersey?

Yeah. No, no, no. What's, well, hold on. Scotland has, USA has 274. Scotland has 55. Holy shit. Yeah, England. 30 fast.

Scotland, but dude, you also, you got to look at, like, you got to look at the years, like Scotland, when you go from, like, Andrew Strath, Tom, Kid, Mungo, Park, Willie Fernie, Jack Simpson, David Brown, these guys won in 1865, 1873, 1874, 1864, 1866. They dominated the late 1800s. Like, it was just England and Scotland. That's literally all it was. So it's like. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. That's why it was tricky because that was so before, like, we would even remember or anything. Or like, you know, like even... From Jersey, Harry Varden won six times and Ted Ray won once. They're from the ballick of Jersey. No, I actually remember in the greatest game ever played,

I think they say from Jersey with Harry Varden. Yeah, that would make sense. I just keep thinking you mean like fucking Jersey Shore every time. Me too. I'm like, what are we talking about? He did with Walter Hagan never played it. What do you mean he's from Jersey? He'll have Walter Hagen ever played in a Masters.

I have a tough time saying it, honestly. Hagan's like time for, what was his like competitive time? He stopped playing. He stopped winning in 1929. Yeah, first Masters was March 22nd, 1934. So then Bobby Jones didn't play one either. A little history lesson. Yeah, it's stunning.

Because you think of Augusta as like, it was just always there. Like Adam and Eve? Adam and Eve were actually like in Magnolia, like, like walking down Magnolia Lane. Well, if you think about it, that land has always been there. True. Very true. You know, just not the golf course or the club. Did we talk about Brooks Kepka being injured and not playing this week?

And we just got that breaking news via our producer, Jake. Brooks Kepko withdraws from Northern Trust due to injury. It's got to be his knee, right? He's been talking about lingering knee issue, yeah. That fucking concrete at the Zozo? Was it at the Zozo or was it prior to the Zos? It was prior. It was at the, what's the other one over there?

I can't think of the name. They're like CJ Cup. Is that what it is? Oh, yeah. Because there's like a concrete bridge that they like walk across that he like fell on. So the softest injury ever even though like it's a real injury, like saying you slipped on some wet concrete. And I know we talk about like spikes and all that stuff. But it's just it's the same as like when Justin Burlander missed a start because he had a bruised fingernail.

It's like it is a really bad injury, but you just can't like say it with a straight face. I remember back. for a year with fucking slip concrete. I hurt my hip the other day. I feel like I'm 95 years old. Yeah, so I remember Sammy Sosa back in the day, hurt his back sneezing. Speaking of like hurting yourself and feeling stuff,

tonight for the stream, bring like hoodies and sweatshirts because that fucking stream, we're playing in that new gambling room. It's, I have like a little bit of like a cold. I've been sitting in there for the last like two days. It's 12 degrees in there.

It's legitimately 12. 12 degrees in that. You got you got hyperbolic thermia. You can't believe you can't believe you can't believe how cold it is in that room. I appreciate that. It's a good tip. Okay. Last thing on the headlines I want to talk to. We're going to throw it to some interviews that we got a little from the gallery situation. Women's British show. Love lady gone. Always have. And our girl who is by far. by far, our favorite player on the LPGA tour. Although Bronte Law is up there, she's very cool too. Danielle Kang is on a heater. She won back-to-back tournaments.

And then this past weekend, over the Scottish Open, gearing up for the Women's British Open, she finished one stroke off the lead after a shit starts. You're expending all this energy, this emotional energy, winning a couple times on tour, comes out a little flat and then finishes one stroke out of a playoff. So she's playing, lights out. She got a great attitude, too.

I heard her talking about. You just have to like accept that. And links off, you might get some shit bounces. You might get sick condition. She said, I've done my laundry. My clothes are clean. I rain gears ready to go. And whatever the hell happens happens.

So I fucking love that attitude. Danielle Kang, the people's women's golfer. And you're going to get some of those crazy times. So you can flip on the TV really early the next four days. Throw it on Golf Channel. And you'll be able to get yourself a little women's British open. They're playing at Orl Trune, which is where Phil and Henrik Stenson just went nuts. And Phil finished second place.

and he was like 10 shots better than third place. And they've got the postage stamp eighth green, which is one of the coolest in the entire rotation. You can remember that one. I think it was Roy that put out a video of him taking like five shots to try to get out of one of the Greenside bunkers in a practice round. So again, if you're looking for your little Lynx golf fix this morning, or in the morning over the next four or five days,

check out the women's British Open. I wanted to give a quick shout out to Will Ahmed, who was the CEO and founder of Woop. we talked on the last podcast when we interviewed him about my sleep disturbances and we basically got down to it that the reason I have so many sleep disturbances we're talking 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 sleep disturbances. A night is because I eat food and sugar up until right before I fall asleep. So last night I decided to not eat sugar or anything after 8 p.m., which was a struggle, gentlemen. It was an absolute struggle. I can't imagine.

All I wanted was food. All I wanted was Sour Patch Kids. But I didn't do it. I woke up this morning. I checked my Woop app and I only had seven disturbances. So I had three times less disturbances because I didn't eat anything right before I went to bed. So I just wanted to give him a shout out. He knows what he's talking about.

It turns out. I mean, you saying you being a grown man and saying all I wanted is sour patch kids is that's got to be just posted. Well, it was funny because the night. after we interviewed him, I was still sort of living in a world of disbelief. I was like, I can do whatever I want. I'm fine. So I remember walking into my bedroom with a handful of frosted mini-weets and I was just eating them as I laid down because I don't know, I just like to eat right before bed. So I remember doing that. I woke up. I had 21 disturbances the next morning. And then like I said last night, I didn't eat anything and I had

seven. So, you know, it turns out science is probably right. It's crazy that it worked overnight. Like, you'd think that'd be, like, a thing that your body needs to get used to and, like, kind of flush it out, like, flush it out the system, all the sugar and shit. I mean, I'm not putting in that given moment. Like, oh, fuck yeah. He's not bringing up to most of many weeks and sour kids in the bed. We're going to have a great sleep tonight. That, no, that's where you're wrong, my friend. My body is rebellious when I don't eat those types of foods right before bed. I was telling you guys, I don't know if we were on the podcast or not, but I decided yesterday that I'm like, I got to go on a diet. Like I got to get things together. And my body rejects the idea of going on a diet where once I decide I'm going to start eating a little bit better, it's like, well, here's a headache.

Here's a stomachache. Here's you feeling like shit. Here's you being in a bad mood. So no, my body is not okay, at least at this point in time, with me not consuming food right before bed, but we're hoping, you know, in the future that that's going to improve. So shout out to who way. That's not an ad. That's just, I wanted to give people an update on what's going on with my body. How pumped were you to see that result?

Was that? I was more surprised than anything. I didn't think it was going to have that big of an effect. And again, this is a small sample size. So tonight maybe it'll be different. I'll keep people updated. But I was more surprised than anything because I did not think it was going to work that quickly. So I just have a quick story because it's a golf-related story of one of my buddies.

And he was not a golfer. He's like a 30 handicap, but he did caddy for a couple of years at the club. And so anyways, my buddy, my buddy Jeff just text me. He goes, I go, hold on. How did you get fired in like the club championship? He goes, I caddied him for 36 straight holes. Jeff knows that he did a horrible job. After the 36 hole, this guy qualified for like the final flight, the championship.

He fired my buddy Jeff on the spot and had another caddy, caddy for him for the last couple holes in the championship. and the guy did not win. What are you guys thinking about? Do you follow? So, club championship, I'm cadding for you, Trent. Yep.

36 holes. You win your flight. You go on to like the championship of all the flight winners. Okay. You look at me and say, you've done such a poor job that I'm going to fire you

in this exact spot before the flight championship, got somebody else to gattie for you and lost the flight. What did he do? That was so bad. How did he end up? He's just,

this kid's kind of, kind of aloof. Like he doesn't get golf or anything. So I'm sure he was just like swaying in the wind, like looking at other parts of the golf course, potentially standing right behind him while putting, doing whatever, but it was probably kind of annoying, maybe walking to other people's lines. Like I don't, he never grew up playing golf. So I think probably he was doing some of those things. I don't know. But I figure I just report that and then get your guys take on that. It sounds like he's thought a little bit too much into it. and he probably should have just kept going with, like, I don't know, like,

clearly he didn't need a good caddy to get to the championship. So it seems as though, like, him thinking about his caddy in that tournament or the next round was all on his head then because you didn't need to get there because he was a bad caddy. For sure. I think that's great, though. To get fired mid-tournament is quite impressive. I forgot to bring this up, and it's more of a, you know,

everyone deals with this guy or this type of person on the golf course. And the other day when I was playing with the guy who hits 14 out of 14, fairways. My partner, we were in a really good match. You need to be in a good match when you have when you face, you have to have a good partner to face off in a match play against the guy who who has 14 out 14 fairways and the plus three. My partner was a guy named TC and he took a phone, we were like tied at, on the 10th T box and we're playing the 10th hole all square. We just fucking hit a huge put on nine to make it all square. And this fucking guy takes a phone call for work and I lost them for two or three holes. Like you lose them. And like, what do you do in

situation and we all we all deal with the guy like this right like he's on the phone he's putting it down for speaker phone hitting the shot picking it back up i'm like come on man like give me something you're my scratch golfer here i'm now it's me versus two golias this is fucking crazy like come on well what i would say it's like what would you do if dave called you at that moment yeah it's true it's fucking true it's true so i was like no worse guy to hold the ship together than frankie that's what I mean like yeah if there's like your partner's gone for two holes you're gone for the two holes like you're not you're not holding the ship with your arms out there right like you're not you're not coming back being like how do frank it's like no we lost all three holes

exactly it's also and we all know that frankie's having a mental meltdown because he's thinking about all the fairways this guy is hitting like he can't think about anything else so he he can't focus on trying to win the holes right I don't think Frankie and I apologize who's just a roast of you, but I don't think, like, if he hits the fairway, you've already lost the hole. You're not thinking like, oh, I can still make a five four. I've lost. Like, I can't beat him and I don't care about the strokes. Oddly enough, I kind of used my mental breakdown to my favor where, like, I wanted to beat my partner at that point. I was so angry that he left me and abandoned me that I won that 10th hole and he's on the

phone. I'm like, we fucking won, man. Like, we fucking won that thing because I made it up and down over here on this bitch. Like, let's go. Hang it out. Hang out the phone. Yeah. Having to take phone calls on the golf course, like, luckily,

actually, you know, I actually had to leave the golf course when we interviewed Matt Fitzpatrick. We did it on like an off time. He just was calling in like from the car driving to the golf course. So like that was like a you had to run off and go do it. it. Luckily, knock on wood, I've never had to really do anything via Dave.

But I can imagine, like, being a lawyer or something, like, you get that call and you're on the fucking 11 T-box, this has got to be no worst feeling because you're just out there on a weekend, like, come on, let me enjoy my fucking life for a second. Yeah, I was trying to think about any work calls of it, but, I mean, you can, I always keep my AirPods with me, actually, especially like, I feel like that's actually a doable. Like, you can put your phone in your pocket and hit mute really quickly and hit a golf shot if you had to, but it isn't, that almost pisses off your partner more, because it's like, you're not, no, I need you to be like, I need you to care.

Like, I need you to fucking care. And then the minute that it feels like your partner's not caring, then you're, you have an internal strife and you're like, well, how am I going to care if you don't fucking care? The whole back nine is just fuck. So, yeah, it's just, it's hard. Especially because everybody's plugged in now. Yeah, you're down too.

It's a nightmare because you're like, dude, we're down fucking too. when you're getting a fucking call. Like if you're up to or through, it's like, oh, it's great. It's like, you guys stuck. This guy's not even playing. We're still up free. It's amazing how that little swing

just makes the whole world the difference. I'm very jealous of people that can just put their phone, turn their phone off and put it in their golf bag or something for the whole round. Like, that's amazing. But, dude, if you play some of these clubs, like the Garden City Golf Club, like, you can't pull out your phone. You have to keep it, like, in your locker or in your bag. Like, if you pull out your phone.

Like, I remember when. I was caddy in there, people were taking down people's numbers, like, well, on a pen and paper, or, like, a pencil and a napkin. And if you put your phone, it's, like, the worst thing of all the time. It's just not a world we can live in. And we're talking about, like, James Dolan belongs there, boomer, Syacin, like, it's fucking, these guys that need their phones, which is, I can't believe in the year 2020. Maybe it's, like, they're a little piece of, like, you're just away from the world. And when you're at, when you're at Garden City, like, no one can fucking bother you. James Dolan and Boomer, those aren't, like, we are in more pressing, like, need for our phones than they are.

Really the owner of... I also feel, though... Look at how he runs that team. Rangers in the next. They have, like, the secretary outside. Like, if they get a call or secretary gets the call, runs onto the golf course, and then they know that they have to do something. Yeah. They have, like, some...

Their phone isn't going unanswered. They're not, like, unaware of news. Like, Gus has got to be like that, too, right? For sure. Yeah. You just kind of sneak your phone out to take. a picture or something. Yeah,

I will say, like when we played Cyprus, not to bring it up and talk about how we played Cyprus, but it's no phones there either, but you can use it to take photos and videos. So there was a little bit of like, you'd pull it out,

put it, and then you'd like scroll through your email or text real quick to make sure you don't have. So, like, I'm not actually using it. I just make sure I didn't miss anything major and then put it back in there.

Like if you took a phone call at Cyprus, like walking down 17, are you just like pushed into the water? There's just like a sniper who, who's ready for that moment and you're gone. Right. Do they have a dress coat at Cyprus? What?

Do they have like for members like so like Garden City you have to wear a blazer? I have to wear pants. No shorts allowed of Cyprus. So we had to wear pants. But I do think like yeah, you take a phone call, shot dead on the spot and then like one of those little cargo golf carts comes up where the back's like a bed, you know? They just throw you on the bed and you're just gone. Dude, what me asking about the fucking dress code just reminded me, I have a buddy, Mike, who knows golf, plays golf.

I've played golf with him many times. He's a good golfer. And he's just like, I don't know how to explain this guy. He's like a child in a man's body. And he was playing Trump in the Bronx. Trump, is it Trump National? Is that the name of it? Ferry Point.

Ferry Point. Trump, Ferry Point. And he's like, yo, it's my first time playing it. And he's like, I'm going for my brother's birthday. And he texted me and he's like, so like, we're getting a caddy. I never gotten a caddy before. And I'm like, all right. He's like, texting me.

I'm like, why is Mike asking me back? He's like, so like, what do you pay a caddy? I'm like, oh, you know, it's like standard like, like, 80 to 120 bucks. Like whatever. Sometimes the course will say like it's like an $80 fee. You give an extra $20, 40 bucks, like $120. He's like, oh, okay, cool, cool, cool. He's like, so like, what do caties like do for you out there?

And I was like, no, what the fuck you talk? like what are you talking about he's like yeah like what do they like what do they what do i what do i expect like mike like you watch like they fucking carry your bag like they like read your like read your like read your greens like fucking like fucking like like break your bunkers like what are you fucking talking about he's like oh shit so like they won't give you the yardages i got to bring like a fucking range around like i was like Mike are you fucking kidding me right now what is happening like have you ever like have you watched tiger woods play golf with joey la kyle have you ever watched golf before? The guy, he's a golf fanatic. He didn't know what to expect. And at the end,

he goes, what do I wear tomorrow? I'm like, you wear golf clothes. You want me to come fucking change you and tuck in your shirt for you? This is crazy. Yeah, I will say there is a, like, when you've never had a caddy before the first time, it is super awkward because we're, like, we're closer to the caddies than we are to people that deserve to get caddies. Yeah, true. So, like, who am I to have this person? At first, it's like, why are they doing all these things for me? Like, I don't. I do.

That's true. I do remember being very uncomfortable when I first had a caddy because I was like, you are more in tune or more adept to like doing everything yourself. And then when there's someone doing you, you're like, no, no, no, like, I almost wanted to carry the bag for him. I was like, no, they're like, no, we'll do it. It's like, all right. It is uncomfortable the first time. But I knew what they were probably going to do going into it, unlike Mike, who just sounds like he was born literally yet.

I mean, I've even carried the bag for caddies before. They're double bagging. I've just been like, I'll take my bag over here. Like, don't worry about it. I'll carry you the green. I'll meet you there. Because to me, carrying a bag is really like, it's nothing kind of. You know, you just throw it over your shoulder.

I mean, obviously, it's a lot after you carry 18, 30s and holes. But, like, it's no big deal, and I'm happy to help. And honestly, it's about fun. And, like, if you have great caddies, they just kind of add to it and whatever. So, like, if it's easier on them, it makes their day more. enjoyable? I don't get that. You know, whatever. Somebody said Maddie Fitz, Matt Fitzpatrick earlier.

And I just wanted to say that he's paired up with Tiger Woods at the Northern Trust. So that'll be, it's him, Tiger and Dillan Fratelli, the defending champ of the John Deere Classic. But that'll be a, that'll be a cool day for Maddie Fitz. I'm excited. Mattie Fitz would say like the four play guy say what up or something like that, or he is so fucking not even close to being that confident with Tiger Woods to ever say something like that.

Or what if you like brought up like, oh, you see that four play video the day? those guys are fucking hilarious. Like something crazy, just in sept it in Tiger's brain. I could see him doing it, but I wouldn't want to, like, ask him to do it. No, I know. Come up naturally, you know?

I will say. And I'm trying to hear it without asking him. Just maybe he hears about his buddy. He's like, yo, you got to bring up four play next week. I don't know what this four-man scramble? Yeah. Oh, yeah, what do you think about that? You think you can take those guys on?

And he'd fucking dust them. I got, so speaking of Maddie Fitz, I'm really glad you brought it up. I just sent him a quick text yesterday and said, interesting pairing this week with the eyes emoji and he said yeah i don't think i've played with dylan before it's going to be interesting to see his game that's our guy so fucking cool that one of the guys that we are like fucking boys with and like is our age and like is like a young fucking tiger fan is playing with tiger woods that is jacked up like he's probably so fucking jack to play there

it's very good uh so we kind of then we do in our own little bit you know back and forth and he goes uh he goes, I'm going to let you, there's, there's plenty of material with, with Dylan Fertelli's sleeves. I'm going to check those things out. And then he goes, hoping the third guy in the group doesn't hold us up. But yeah, imagine you get married with Tiger Woods. I mean, it's pretty goddamn excited. So it'll be fun to watch.

They'll be on the feature group coverage, which is great, because I do not like when it is the feature group coverage with Tiger and like the other two guys or, you know, somebody that you don't care about it. I love when it's one of our guys that we don't typically get to see. their entire round. Yep. And it was cool to see Kiz. I think Saturday this past week was on the feature group coverage.

We got to watch his entire round and we'll get to see all Maddie Fits. So it's cool and like usually I'm upset when they cut away from Tiger during the feature group. Like what the hell are we doing here? But now a good of a chunk of it's going to be Maddie Fitz, which is going to be very exciting. Okay. We get a couple interviews.

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Not a problem. It's great. I love doing the media things. When you do these, it means you're playing well. So, you know, no one wants to talk to you when you're in the back of the pack. Well, yeah, I mean, we'll just hop right in. We actually, Trent and I were laughing. We had you on the show probably three years or so ago. It's been quite a while. You've gotten a couple wins since then. And everybody's kind of talking about the stats and how when you're in the mix, you seem to get it done. So, I mean, is this kind of feel like it came out of nowhere? Or how are you feeling about it? thing. No, it's, you know, it looks that way. I guess we spoke after Valspar in 2017, maybe. Yep. And I was in the mix there, so I didn't bring it home there. I guess I'm not batting a thousand, but, but yeah, seems like I play my best golf when I'm in the mix. You know, last summer was truly out of the blue. This year, I don't feel as, is, as, is, you know, as, you know, it didn't feel as out of nowhere. But last year at Barbazol, that definitely was, you know, life-changing.

Again, you know, like my first win because I was out of my exemption. My medical was up and I was playing out of the past champions that first week at Barbazole. So just to get back to full status with that win last year and then with everything happening this year with COVID and leading into the break. I really didn't play very well in the West Coast. And, you know, the Florida swing was not, I didn't have much many great results there. I was playing well at players four under round one before the shutdown. So coming out of the COVID break,

I was just drawing on that, that all right, we're just going to pick up. My last round was great at players. And it just didn't turn out that way. A couple of miscuts at Colonial and, I don't even know where we went after Colonial. Hilton Head now.

I don't know. I don't know where we went. It's been a while and I forget the schedule already. But, you know, I wasn't playing terribly. Missing cuts by a shot or two. You know, you're playing against the best players in the world on the tour. And, you know, it's not a given to make weekends. And if you're not playing well, you've got to play well to make the weekend.

And sometimes it's four under, three under, two under. you know and you shoot even par you'd be going home most most weeks so the stats don't show that they just show miscuts and things like that so you got to look into the stats when when you're evaluating your play to know whether it's just a three putt here or there or or if it's you know something major and it wasn't anything major just just you know you got you got to have better short game than I was putting out there sorry I'm going long-winded on you there no it's it's it's interesting to hear i mean it is a fascinating case and we see guys come when they win it's sometimes it's a long build-up we've got me i kind of was laughing thinking that

you're like the the opposite of tony phenout like the exact opposite it's like he's mr top five top ten yeah i mean he can't win to save his life you've got a couple top 25s the last couple seasons they're both wins so it's just uh yeah i don't know do you feel like you when you're on, you're just red hot? Do you feel like you're just getting less nervous? I mean, what is that difference, you think? Well, the nerves are there regardless of. But I think you're, you know, it's, Tony's great. I mean, goodness gracious, I'd love to have his results week in, week out. I know everyone wants to win and a little more consistency would make everything a little bit better for me, but I know he would take three wins in a heartbeat as well. So it's just kind of, it's

interesting how you look at it. You know, he's been contending in majors and right there and almost winning every week. So, you know, it's going to come for him. You know, he's going to get it's that Puerto Rico jinx, I guess, that that's holding him back. So I know, everybody talks about that. I feel like every, every week that it happens, it just gets worse and worse. I know. I know. It's, it's, it's weird. It's funny how things get in your head and the, the media and people will run with it. So, you know, I'm very comfortable when I'm in those high stress situations around the lead. It seems like I get more uncomfortable when I'm making some bogies early and, you know, and it's just kind of like, all right, you kind of get that more

the same. All right, this isn't my week and, you know, maybe your intensity level drops a little bit and you're just not all there. And when you are in the mix and, you know, you're putting some good shots, good holes together, you just keep it going. And maybe you just don't have that. It's pretty easy to get frustrated out here as I'm sure anyone you've talked to from the tour. It's very easy, especially guys that aren't, you know, world, world class top 10 guys like myself. And, you know, especially as you get a little older, you know, you feel like, all right, maybe the game's passing you by, and you know, you only have those weeks that maybe you contend and you want to take advantage of it. But, yeah, it's pretty demoralizing, like last week or the week before at Harding Park.

You know, I've got to capitalize on hitting the ball straight these days since I'm not exactly the longest player on tour anymore, if I ever was. but you know you got to i got to capitalize that i'm not going to be contending if i'm playing from the rough like some of these guys have chose to just bomb it and air it out every every hole so i feel like uh you you kind of alluded to this but you're um you might have to play golf with the president as much as possible because you every time you do you seem to win a bj dor event yeah i there's nothing wrong with that so maybe i got to get out with them again um yeah it just uh i got to I don't know what the window is, but I mentioned it. It was about three, three and a half weeks prior to this past Wyndham.

I was, I played with Brett Favre and the president, and that was awesome. Brett gets all the attention. There's other people in the group, but just him and the president get the photo op that gets released. So it's actually a good thing. He got all the press or negative press. Sometimes there's a lot of negative press, obviously, with playing with him. but yeah it's it worked out again and you know it happened last year at barbizal and then four years ago at uh houston open i had played with him the week before so i guess he just

brings the best doubt in me i get ultra motivated and uh you know he's usually pretty critical of me he doesn't you know it doesn't understand why i'm missing cuts or anything like that and just says to get out and do it and i guess i listen maybe i just need a tape recording of it and play that weekly. Do you look into like the fact that you set, you know, or you equal the tour low of the weekend scoring? Is that something that you can't believe happened? I mean, think about how long the tour has been around.

And Jim Herman just at the top of the list now with a 134 weekend score. It's absolutely insane. Is that something that you cherish or is something you're not thinking about right now? Didn't think about it too much. I've seen the post about it. But yeah, I mean, that's amazing. A lot of golf been played on tour, and, you know, you thought it would have been, it might have been done or tied, or I don't know, but yeah, that's pretty amazing stuff. You know, I wasn't thinking about it at all, you know, while I'm in it, but, you know, as golfers, we always think the last, you know, we should have made every putt.

I made plenty of putts on Saturday and Sunday. So, but I definitely could have made that putt on 16 and the one on 18 looked like it was going to go into. So maybe it's 61. 61 would have been nice. I would have had a little cushion, but I'll take it. I'll take it. No way, no matter how it came. And, you know, that was, that was amazing. I still don't know how it happened going off first thing, Saturday morning, first group out. It must have been that pairing I had on Thursday, Friday. I had kids. I had kids, and we had a great time. And, you know, you guys love him. He's on with you guys all the time. So I don't know, maybe that just had a good pairing. And I had a good pairing. great pairing on Saturday and Sunday. And, you know, you're just very comfortable and just making some putts early. And you just see him going in and it breeds some good golf, I guess. Yeah, I laughed because I did. I sent your little congratulations.

And you replied right away and you're like, a couple more birdies and kids could have chased me down. I saw him coming after me. That's right. Yeah. Kids got nothing on me. So, you know, 61, 63, your last two rounds, do you feel like you just wish you could get on the golf course competitively? as fast as possible right now because you can't shoot higher than 63? Well, yes and no.

It was as nice to get a little break, so I'm not going to lie. The last two days have been pretty exciting. I love doing the media. Like I said earlier, it's great doing media because that means you're doing something right. So the more of this, that means there's been some good results. So I don't get tired of doing interviews or podcasts or radio. This is good stuff. it all means I'm playing some good golf.

Thursday will come quick enough. I know I just got in some practice today and back into the car. Talk with you guys. I got another interview later on tonight with some hometown Cincinnati folks. And, you know, love doing that. But, yeah, Sunday or, I mean, sorry, Thursday will be here soon enough. And then we'll get back at it. You know, just hope the hot putter going.

hit some fairways and make some birdies. I'm going to keep at it and see if I can't get in a tour championship. That would be amazing. Obviously, you know, a week ago thinking you might have a chance for a tour championship was not on the radar. And, you know, I was just thinking it's going home, have some three weeks off, spend time with my wife and children and, you know, just get in some pool time, get in some practice and get ready for Safeway. Let's, let's talk a little bit about the water bottle incident. You're watching Julie Horsal come in. down the stretch, wondering if there's going to be a playoff or not. The camera shows you.

You try to take a drink of a water bottle with the cat's still on it. Is that nerves or what's going through your mind at that moment? Yeah, a little bit of nerves, but I really didn't know that the camera was on. You know, I was just in thought I was in scoring and, you know, you got to watch. The cameras are always rolling. So, yeah, I was pretty thirsty. You know, you just get those nerves going. Everything I could do was over and it's out of my hands.

hands so you're just, you know, taking drinks and, you know, it's there. You, you know, like anything, you've got to drink in front of you're going to take it. So, you know, I didn't know I put the cat back on the last time. It made for some good TV. I'm glad everyone has some laughs about it. You know, you know, a lot of memes and all that and all my friends are poking fun at me, but it's all good stuff. So it's easier to take it when you're the chance. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So TBC Boston coming up will give us a little insight. How's it looking out there?

How's it playing? What do we expect this week? Yeah, they decided it wasn't long enough a few years ago, and they had to add some teas. And, you know, just what I need is more length. It's small. Yeah, just I'm sure Kiz talks about that. I was nice.

I wasn't the shortest guy in my group on Thursday and Friday. he can put way better and I can't I guess maybe I put it better on the weekend but I definitely most times I got him by a few yards so that was nice that was nice that's not a commonplace out here for me yeah they it's always you know immaculate out here the greens put so well fairways are pretty wide I would say for for us and you know that's great for the long hitters wide fairways and long golf courses. You know, you're just going to, for me, it just got a, like I do every week, just march my way around, hit fairways, and see if I can attack some whole locations and

make putts. Anytime I've won or contended, I've been in the top two or three in putting for that week. So if I can put well, I can be in the mix. But, you know, like anybody, no one can putt poorly and be in the mix. So you've got to make putts out here. But the course is in great shape. It always is. I can't name a course that we play that's in bad shape.

So we're very fortunate to, you know, immaculate conditions every week. Well, what? Let's keep that putter hot this weekend. And I think that's kind of the key. That's the goal. That's the key. Well, Jim, look, we know you're busy. You've got a lot of interviews.

And like you said, that's a good side. So we really appreciate you taking the time. And congratulations. It was very fun to watch you light up that golf courts with two straight days. Yeah, no problem. It's fun and, you know, I love doing these things. I don't get on with you guys enough. But maybe we can change that. We can change that. And I got to get out to Pinehurst. I've never been to Pinehurst. I know you guys. So I know you guys do a lot out there. It looks like a great facility and a great place. We can tell everything you know about Pioneer store. Oh, yeah. That's that's that's me trying to get those, trying to get those huts to fall. Yeah, that's a...

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'd like to take that challenge. Maybe I could have handled that last week the way I was putting. Yeah. I think so. I think you were to dust of it. Well, 40044 feet of putts. I don't even know what that means, but it sounds like it's good.

That's a lot. I mean, geez. Holy cow. I mean, it's mind-blown. When you're in the middle of it and you're making some of these things, it's crazy. You know, hauling out a long pot or a chip or

hauling from the fair, I mean, I hold out from the fairway on Thursday, my final hole of the rounds. I mean, for an eagle on the night full. I mean, that just, it was my week, I guess. So that's what it will take. You got to have those things

that happen to win. Well, you did. So congratulations. It's over a six-footer, every hole. golf course if I'm doing that math right. That's just preposterous. But anyways, congrats to you. And thanks so much for jumping on. All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you, Jim. Good, Jim. Thank you. Joy. All right, that was Jim Herman. Great guy. Nice to have it back on.

We've got to get him for a longer period at some point than the near future because he is a good dude. I like him taking a little shots at kids there. So thanks to Jim for joining the show. From the gallery. We got a couple good from the galleries to get to. And then we're going to throw it to Shooter McAvon from the gallery is brought to you by our friends at Scott's lawn care. Your lawn gets beat up in the summer. It gets brown. It gets that crunchy grass. You all know what I'm talking about.

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He said, what's y'all's first memory of watching golf on TV? You all have a good sample size of ages. That's true. we are, you know, we got a little spread out. So I'm curious because I'm only 20. Mine is Rory winning the PGA championship by a million shots. I must have been at Kiyawa. So first golf memory on TV?

What's y'all's first memory of watching golf on TV? Mine is actually, I think mine is watching Mike Weir. And this isn't like the first one, but the first time when I was really paying attention was watching Mike Weir, lefty Canadian, win the Masters. I think that was like 2003 is when he won that. But I remember very vividly that we were at like a nice family dinner or something and it was on and we watched in a playoff.

It was actually a sloppy playoff. I want to say he made like a bogey or something on the first, on the 10th hole to win in a playoff. But I remember very vividly, and again, I'm sure that I've watched golf before then. Like I had to have because 2003 or whenever that was, I must have been. I was like 15, 14 at the time. So I clearly watched golf before that. but in terms of like remembering it

like the Tiger 97 Masters win I only remember from just like rewatching it and watching the highlights and the reruns I remember watching it live like the Mike Weir I remember watching that shit live My the first thing It's not a specific tournament or on TV or anything like that But the first thing I remember about the game of golf

And like at the professional level Was Greg Norman being like the coolest Motherfucker in the world Like I remember the logo sticks out me very specifically the hat, the straw hat. So it wasn't a tournament on TV that I remember somebody winning or a putt, but I just remember Greg Norman being really, really cool. My dad loved Greg Norman. And that's, I just remember Greg Norman was my first introduction to professional golf.

Norman, the shark, I was obsessed with the shark growing up. He was my favorite golfer by far. I don't think I had a second one until I became like in high school and became obsessed with the tiger. Right. It was, yeah, the logo, I just, I love. love the logo. I still love the logo. And that as a kid was the first thing I grabbed onto for sure. Yeah, I have no memory. My brain is completely off. But I do remember... That's true. Your brain is very... I do remember in... Oh, God, now the year. 2002 was the U.S. Open at Bethpage, right? Tiger? Yep. So, 2002, I remember watching the U.S. Open. I was like nine years old and watching it on TV. and then like us all going to go to go watch it like i remember seeing on tv and like my dad and everyone

being like oh we're going to go like we're going there tomorrow like that was like a cool thing like going to the place that it was on tv it was like down the road you know what i mean like i remember that being very very very cool um so yeah i mean i can't remember anything prior to that like that's i mean i can't remember what i did last week this is insane yeah this is a tough question i i don't know if i have them. I don't have a first memory. They all just kind of get blended together. I don't have any memories of any of. I remember like in chronic logical order of like, do I remember tigers or is it just that I remember rewatching it so many times? But it's not like vivid in my brain. So it's hard to say. How about these people who will speak glowingly about their first memory ever? Just anything that they

say like they remember basically the moment where your brain breaks through and they're like four or five years old. Like, I remember. They're lying. They are lying. This is what I'm getting to. They're like, I'm sitting in my backyard and my mom's holding me against her bosom. It's like, you don't remember. You made that up. And the only reason you're allowed to make that up is because no one can contradict. I don't, I didn't think this is where this was going to go, but I hate people who make up first memories to sound like cool or smarter than the rest of us. I don't remember anything until I was like 14. I don't think. I don't remember fucking anything. Dude, someone asked me where I was. in Australia.

I said it's that little, that little city on the water right there with the river. I was like, what's that fucking place with the, with the food and the restaurants and the fire comes out by the restaurants? They're like, what are you fucking talking about?

Right. I remember the name of Melbourne. I was like, it's like, it's that city with the restaurants of fire. I love, I didn't even know what you're talking about. Learn just like,

what is, what? I remember my put in Australia and everything else is a wash. Everything else is a complete wash. I will say. It's together quite a bit. I've got one memory. where I kind of remember, I kind of don't, but my brother threw this like banjo or guitar of

mine down the stairs. And I remember being super pissed about it. But I don't really remember much about anything else. In terms of golf, I remember there was a period because it was, it had to have been, it was around 2003, 2004 that I started to really get into golf. Like, I played as a kid a little bit, my old man. And then I didn't play for like a decade. And then around midway through high school, I started to get very into golf, but it was playing golf. And then I remember being like, okay, like, started to get a little bit more interested in the PGA tour, what was going on, probably around like 0, 4, 05. And I remember kind of tuning in on, I think it was ESPN, I was watching Sports Center,

and they were doing like the highlight the updates, and they were kind of updating us on golf, and it was like Tiger winning a tournament by like seven shots or something. And I, and he was coming out, I remember just thinking like, because Tiger was obviously and mega, you know, he's fucking Tiger Woods around that time, but I wasn't that glued into professional golf scene. I remember just thinking like, oh, yeah, that's like Tiger, I guess just wins every week. Like, I wasn't that, like, glued in. I was like, that's interesting.

I want to look more into that. Like, does he just win every week? Like, I just, the first clip I've seen in fucking two years is Tigers just winning by seven and I started to get really into it. And then leading up to the 2005 Open Championship at St. Andrews, I started getting glued into the scene and was started to get obsessed with Tiger Woods. and then he fucking won that by, you know, whatever it was, four or five shots. And from that moment on, I remember almost everything about Tiger, not every,

but like I could go through a lot of his wins because I was so glued in. But prior to that, I just had this vague knowledge that Tiger Woods just won every week on the VGA. Which wasn't that far off. No. It was pretty close because then the next year, 2006, 2007, he went on this street where he won like seven tournaments in a row. It was like, if Tiger won't, Tiger teed up, he was just winning. what happened. And those were the times when he was a one-to-one shot versus the field to win. I didn't really take Tiger or the field. I imagine that way. I had obviously been following Tiger

closely at this point, but I remember vividly where I was and who I talked to immediately after. The thing that happened that we don't talk about happened. That's something that I remember just, I can tell you where I was, I can tell you what time it was, what I was watching on TV. That is one of the more vivid memory. that I have. But other than that, like before, it's just, I'm with Frankie where my memory just kind of goes, but there are specific moments like that one that are so like, what the fuck is happening that I remember. So I was in college at the time during the, the, what we don't talk about. And I was Mr. Tiger to my friends who were like, they were very skeptical of, you know, I was like, no, you guys don't get it. Tiger takes such a wholesome approach to the game. That's why he's the best

from his workouts to his meals to the way he prepares and practices and he's the fit he's just like the perfect figures and when everything broke they it was just feed it to riggsy time of like oh yeah here's your guy yeah mr perfect fucking role model who does everything right and that was it took several years to recover for that yeah i had i have one i have one i have a couple buddies who were all tiger super fans but i had this one buddy who him and i we were that way rickie We were the Tiger guy in our friend group, and he's the first guy who called me. We must have seen the news break at the exact same time, and he called me, and we were talking like a family member of ours being rushed to the hospital.

Like, it was meltdown mode. So that is one thing that I have a very, very clear memory of. It's not a great memory, but it is a memory. Man, imagine if we were doing what we do now during that? What, like, how, oh, God. I mean, I know we're not going to talk about it. We don't talk about that time specifically. But that was the biggest sports story, maybe the history of the sports at the time, and potentially still is.

And it was for months, it was just a fucking shit show. Oh, God. Yeah, we don't, I don't even know what we're talking about, not talking about. But yeah, that was a while. That was wild times. Okay. We've got, we've got Shooter McGavin. So we've teased it for a while.

He's very funny. He likes to get into the character. He leans into it like we alluded to before. So next out, we got Chris McDonald, Shooter McGavin, enjoy. this interview. All right, folks. Next up, our guest is a name, a voice that you're very much going to recognize. Chris McDonald in the golf world, maybe one of the most quoted people in the history of

golf, golf courses, people out on the course. He's Shooter McGavin and Happy Gilmore, and he's most recently saw him in a video promoting the upcoming release of PGA Tour 2K21. He's kind of back in his shooter character with a sweater. the whole thing. Christopher Donald, how's it going? Welcome to the show, my friend. Oh, gentlemen, very nice to be with you.

We had a little technical difficulties, but we're good now. We're all good. We did. We had a lot of fun with the old Zoom, but we just went with the call, the phone call. That seems to be working. But this game, we've been hyping up this golf game a lot. The PGA Tour 2K21.

We've been hungry for a golf game for a while. Here you are. You're playing with James. team with these other guys, how pumped are you for the game? Well, extremely pumped. This is a really fun game. I wish I was in the same room with the guys at the same time, but, you know, that's the duty of this game. Anyone can play from anywhere, and you can design a lot of things, play a lot of great courses, and I think it'd actually help your game.

So those days when it's inclement weather or, you know, golf courses are closed, you take out the game, PG-8 Tour 2K-21, Ben. Ready. A lot of fun. It's funny that you say that you can get better at the game because, you know, the customization in 2K, it's incredible how much, not only can you build your golf course, I know people know that I'm building Knives Creek right now. It's an oasis in a digital world. It will be the premier golf course on every platform of video games. But like you're saying, you can actually learn how to shape shots and hit flop shots and hit splash shots. And it actually teaches you like when you're standing on a bad lie, maybe the ball's below your feet. You're going to see

the difference in the terrain when you're approaching that ball. And you actually learn like, all right, if it's below your feet, you want to aim a little bit more right or a little more left. You learn how to shape shots in a video game. And that's stunning to me. So I think they've done a fantastic job. Yeah, that's outstanding. And I don't know any other game that does that, but not that I'm a huge gamer,

but I tell you what, if you really want to learn for the average golfer, this is fantastic. And of course, you get the guys that are really good that are like, you know, single digits. They can get on this game and quite as quite challenge as well. and choose courses all over the world. It's fantastic. They got them from, they got them like in the Twin Cities. They got them in Southland.

They got Scottsdale. They got Sawgrass, San Antonio, Quail Island Club. It's really Atlantic Beach Country Club. I mean, it's a really great courses. So they really thought it out, and it's a great product and a lot of fun. I just wish I was in the room with Justin Thomas at the time. I was such a fan. And I got to meet, like I say, School Board Q's cool as hell.

And I had a virtual meeting with the Mizz, Mike, the Mids. So, but you can imagine how you can get your boys together and just have a freaking riot with this thing. So it's excited. I've been playing against Frankie. I've been playing against Frankie. He's been beating me. I guess we haven't, have we gone against each other in the 2K game or has it just been? No, we haven't.

Tomorrow. That's right. We're doing that tomorrow. But, I mean, once we get that down, I'm going to smoke Frankie. It's going to be a lot of fun. I will say, I played my first, my first. my first hole of the game yesterday. I made an 11 on the first hole.

I mean, I just couldn't get the ball into the hole, so I've got some improving to do, which is, again, it's pretty realistic. But, Chris, I'm curious. I mean, you know, we all know you, your face, your voice from one of the most iconic golf movies ever created. How big of a golfer, a golf guy are you, and kind of were you before the movie?

Well, I kind of got better when they had a guy named Mark, lie as my coach. He was on the tour, or just off the tour at the time. And I spent a lot of time with him, as you know, when you're making a movie outside and it's like all these other different variables. My short game got stupid good. And I really wanted to make all my puts. And, you know, because they said, Shooter misses a 15 footer. Happy makes a 35 foot. So I said, the best way to, you know, to miss them is to try to make and have it lip out or something. And then I put a lot of them in. And then in the, in the cut of the movie, they said, it's better when shooter makes these shots. because it raises the stakes.

It's all, it worked out really well. As far as what I play now, I play a lot of tournaments for charity. Everybody wants to play with the shooter. So it raises a lot of money for, you know, St. Jude with my friend Patrick Warburton to any number of charities I do. I play with Jim Kelly and my friend in Buffalo. I know that stuff is put on hold now because of this crazy pandemic. But that's what I usually I pay, 12 to 15 of those a year.

My country club, I play when I can. But I'm on the road. I'm still working as an actor, so I don't get the chance and play as much golf as I'd love to. It's funny, actually, because we've actually met in another world before. You were on your way, I think, to a Joe Namath charity golf tournament at Beth Page, and this was years ago. And I remember...

I still go. Yeah, you still go to that, right? Because I think they hold that every year. Yeah, yeah. They do. It's at... what's it called black uh beth page black yeah so i remember one day it was like a maybe an afternoon shock gun or something like that and you were with uh you you you came into my restaurant actually

beryl's restaurant it's on long island and you and you walked into the bar and i remember i was working there and i'm i walk in i'm like shooter i couldn't believe you walked into the bar and you're like hey yeah how's it going like you guys grabbed the beer and then and then you went who you were with an actor from the cutting edge i'm I'm blanking on his name. Oh, my goodness. This is fun of all. This is fun of a lot.

Watching Frankie try to think of someone from the cutting edge was good stuff. Oh, my God. All right. I mean, you have. Anyway, that's another great event. I don't remember that exact situation or the actor, but Joe Namath has been putting this on for over 35, 40 years, March of Dimes,

raising money for kids with, you know, with disabilities and issues. So he's another one. He's my childhood hero. My God, who didn't love Broadway Joe. And to be there with all those NFL players, some of them limping around and, you know, bad knees and bad backs and all that stuff,

but still pretty great golfers. It's a hell of a nice event. And I hope they'd be going in September. The name is D.B. Sweeney, by the way. But, yeah, I do love the fact that. That's it, D.B. Sweeney, yeah. Yeah, that's it. So I do love the fact that you do those tournaments.

And, you know, we always often, or we often ask a celebrity when they come in and talk about playing in these tournaments, like, what is it like stepping up and playing amongst other, you know, other celebrities, big names? And sometimes there's fans at these events, especially the big charity events, like, does that ever get to you? Or do you enjoy playing in those types of scenarios more than just playing, you know, on your backyard or at your local country club? Oh, my God, absolutely I enjoy it more. I'm playing with my heroes. I'm playing with like the front line or the undefeard. I've been in Miami Dolphins in 69. I'm playing with players that are, you know,

that identified my whole youth in football and stuff like that. So, and then a lot of cool actors come, and that's a joy too. When there's a crowd down on the first tee, gets a little, get you, get you going a little, but get the short hairs, you know, perking up in the back of your neck because you don't want to take an eye out. But as long as you have a good time and you do the best you can, and if you don't,

is always swing juice, right? So we have a lot of fun. So I'm curious, you were talking about a little bit earlier, but the whole idea of having a coach, a swing coach, because you know, you're shooting the character of Shooter McGavin because it needs to be believable if this guy is the best player in the win. How tricky is that to try to get it so that, you know, your swing or your short game or whatever looks like you're the best player in the world?

Well, that was a challenge at the same time. It's a comedy. So I talked to a few people who have seen it. Like when I get scared by, you know, by jaws there with a bullet with a nail in his head, it's like, that's a terrible swing. But, of course, you know, people brought that out. I was like, yeah, I was scared. He was going to kill me.

So, you know, those kind of things. But for the most part, I just try to keep a smooth swing and was playing pretty well, I think, during it, and especially the short game. So here's a free lesson. So I just had a great time. And thank God for Mark Lai and all the time we had off between shots. I really, really enjoyed it. And the only time that I did make a suggestion to our great director, Dennis Dugan,

and said, wouldn't it be funny if Shooter tried to do that crazy happy Gilmore swing? So, of course, we went off and point the camera in the woods there, and I did that attempt at it. It was like, I can't do it. So it was a little, you know, grace note in the character. We just had nothing but fun making that movie. It was enjoying it. And I am just so grateful that it's like generational now.

People from grandfathers to like little toddler. I don't know how you let your kid. He was like six years old watching the movie, but they do. And they all laugh. They all think it's funny on so many levels. So that's a ton of them out through really good screenplay. And Sandler's The Man and Jim O'Hurley. Really good writers.

Judd Apatow producing, you know, Dennis Duggan directing. great chance. Yeah, I mean, Shooter McGavin is one of the great sports villains of all time. One of our co-workers, KFC, did a March Madness-type villain. I think it was sports villains or maybe movie villains. He did a March Madness type tournament, and Shooter McGavin won the entire thing. Like that, you have to be a pretty iconic villain to win a tournament like that. It's pretty cool.

I was really happy because I was up against, like, you know, Heath Ledger from the Joker, you know, at Batman. So that got down to that. I remember watching that thing and I think, wow, Shooter's getting some love. I was very grateful because it's, you know, it's kind of a bragging rights, you know. Absolutely. You need a few black and rights.

Do you still keep in touch with the cast because it's like a legendary crew that you just mentioned that made that film? Do you guys still, is there any like reunion or anything like that alongside that movie or no? Well, you know, it's a good question. It's going to be 25 years, I think. coming up this next year.

So I'm hoping there's something being put together. I got friends who want to do it down in Florida right now, but I have a lot of logistics that go on. I see Carl Weathers, the great chubs. I spend time with him. He's become a good pal. We go to this thing in Celebration, Florida, where it's a great car.

It's a celebration of classic, beautiful, ridiculously nice Ferraris and McLaren's and you name it. there and it's a lot of fun and Carl comes with me for that. We did a shooter McAvin tournament down there once and it got rained out the whole time. I was like, all right. So we just go and watch beautiful cars. I see Julie Bowen. She's just, you know, I watched you pick up a couple of Emmys from her great series on Modern Family. Right. I don't, and I'm not in the same circles with Adam, unfortunately, but I still think he's hysterical. And, you know, his last movie Uncut Jims, I thought was the best work he's done in

agents. And I just wanted, I'm glad that he got a lot of attention for it. But that's about, I guess that's about really all I see. The guy that played a very funny Canadian actor, he was jackass. He was very funny. I always see Kevin Neal and from time of time, too, a different golf tournament for charity. But we do the Emmy, every year we go to the Emmy Awards. And then SAG has a big Emmy thing over there at Lakeside in California.

here and I see him and yeah but for the most part I get a lot of love when I go on in a golf course it's crazy I just wish I had better game to back it up so I'm hoping this game right here when I play it is going to help me with my flop shots and my and my drives and all that stuff because there's a learning curve and then once you know how to do it you go oh yeah I can take that to the course and that'll that'll work great which is what's so wonderful about this game yeah we got to I got to get if there's a pretty good learning curve I'm in trouble because we're playing tomorrow night, huge, just a huge round of golf.

So I got to get figured out pretty quickly. I'm curiously, we're sort of talking, you know, you've had a long career and acting career, a very successful acting career, been in a lot of different things. How do you feel about and kind of what's your relationship with being known as shooter, people coming up to you being like shooter and you're sort of, you know, leaning into it.

I feel like during the show, we are a golf podcast. How does that, in terms of it's sticking with you, how do you feel about that? How do you handle that? Well, it could be worse. I'll tell you, not having a movie

that is as iconic as Happy Gilmore is. Right. You know, at first I was like taking it back, like, wow, people really like that movie. But they, you know, they yelled out other things like when I was in film in the week. Like, how could you be so mean to film them? Like, come on, lady, I'm an actor.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have that. You don't have any, you know, no contention. You have no real story. So that's what I've kind of embraced being, Shooter McGavin. He's the guy you love to hate.

And it happens a lot, especially guys like your age back in the mid-20s like that, mid to late 20s. This is right in their wheelhouse when the movie came out. So, or maybe in a few years later even, because the fact that they get on television as much as it does is the power of longevity. I mean, my God, it's on. it's on the golf channel or it's on, you know, on a wheel that happens for broadcasting. And people see it and they love it.

And a lot of people tell me, the movie comes on, it's so freaking funny. I don't, I just have to sit down and watch it. I just got to watch the whole thing again and laugh my hands off. So that's fantastic. So, to answer your question, I have embraced it. And it's a fun character. I'm nothing to be ashamed of at all about it. So I just, I go with it.

And in my other choices of roles, I chose things that are pretty far away from that guy so that people don't think I'm a one-trick pony, if you know what I mean. Yeah, and we've had some actors on before who we've talked to about that. Some of them embrace that and they kind of know that they're relatively, you know, for the most part of one-trick pony and they kind of get hired to do this same role and play a very similar character. So it is interesting to hear, you know, you say that it's sort of a, effects or at least it's on your mind to some degree your next roles that you're going to

take because you want to be more dimensional and have kind of more layers to your career I guess. Yeah, absolutely. So if you can, you know, you find, try to seek out roles that are that are different from it because you do get typecast in this business so easily. And as a guy was, you know, I'm pretty tall. I'm six, two and a half. And, you know, I'm a big guy. I'm not going to be able to be working with a Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino, unless I

I'm the bad guy because, you know, he's the goon over there, that guy. But there's other very interesting, really interesting films that I really love, like independent film actors are just sitting their voices certain. I've worked with a lot of first-time directors who are doing their passion project, and I just feed off of their energy of doing this thing. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of money to sell it, but now they have so many great places for it to be seen on Netflix or, you know, Amazon and all the other, you know, broadcasting platforms that are out there.

So they will be seen now. So that's a lot easier. I'm going to start. I have two lined up as soon as the pandemic. The game is a break. We'll be shooting those in the fall here. So, yeah, you do that as an actor because, boy, we have so much more in it. And I just wanted to let the world see that.

I can be a lot different from this guy. But again, answer your question, it's been a joy to be a big shoot-up. And every time I go to a ball game or any kind of sporting event, it's like, people just scream it out. They just love to go, shoot-ah! And I get my guns out, and it's kind of like that. It happens at airports.

It happens at, like I say, ball games, and it happens in the grocery store. So it's kind of like, it's a moniker I'm living with and embracing. There's nothing better than hitting the guns after a big putt when you're with your buddies. He's like, I've done it so many times where you just fucking do the shooter and like, it just murders the other guys in the group. It's such a good move.

Also, you've become like a social media Twitter legend without even really like having it, right? There's like a Twitter account, Shooter McGavin that has 400,000 followers. He's the number one bad guy on the internet on the golf course. Like people like love to see him tweet as if it was you. And then also like the gifts every single time like, like I'm a hockey fan. And when the Islanders score or goal, I'll go like shoot like, I'll just do. the guns like bang bang i'll shoot out the gif it's like you become a way of life it's it's off the

golf course you can you can uh you can snag a new phone online like a new iphone or something and be like i just got the new iphone bang bang shoot it it's like it has nothing to do with golf and that's got to be so cool for you to see like you you did it before social media and now now it's taken on a life of its own with a new generation i love that actually because uh when i was doing the movie i thought why did it heck do they call them shooter So I thought, well, he's got to have pistol. I know, when I make pucks, I'll just pull out the guns and bab boom, baby, choke on that, baby.

And it's kind of stuck, and that's what's so interesting about. I mean, even in this game, you know, PGA 2K21, the guys do it. All the guys, just to mess with shooter, you know, the Mizz does it, and, of course, you know, the school boy Q does it, and even J.T. does it, which is very cool. so I can't make a put without taking the guns out right afterwards. I just do it happen. It comes out of my hand.

The guns go to my lips and I go, yeah, don't come out, maybe. Yeah, it's funny. I'm glad you guys do that because it's pretty nice. It's pretty cool to see it happen all the time, and I do see it happen all the time. So it happens to all kinds of different sports. Yeah.

I love the correlation. For whatever reason, it doesn't make sense, really, but it makes perfect sense. at the same time when you say, choke on that one, baby, after shooting, like, with your hand? Like, somehow it works, but I don't know how it does. I know. He was such a privileged, you know, self-involved, you know,

kind of like, you know, remember the shark when he was in his heyday? And I got, he was, I just kind of model it up. But, man, he was just too cool for school. And that was shooter. And so, you know, he pays pretty much as the number. one guy. You know how tough it is to be number one. I mean, who was it this week?

John Ryan. But, you know, and then J.T. was, you know, two weeks ago. And then before that, it was DJ. It's like, it's crazy. But in Shooter's world, this is his year. This is his tour. So that's like good, that's good writing. And it just feeds your egotism.

And then you see what kind of a petulant baby is. And he's like, like, he pleases it like you for breakfast. He goes, he peaches in for breakfast. No. It's just so flusher when he walks away. So that scene and the other scene was like, you listen to what I say or you'll pay. Maybe I may.

He said things out of hay, down by the bay. And the little shooter can't come back with anything because he's such a dupist. So that makes me laugh. Those are really funny scenes too, and to play. So it's funny that you've taken on that, like I said with the internet and the gifts and stuff.

We also at Barstall Sports fueled another viral Twitter sensation video, Instagram video when you came to our Super Bowl party. We have a ton of athletes and celebrities. This year, actually, in Miami, there was a massive storm like a hurricane hit. Oh, I remember this. And the water, the party was honestly,

it was the best party we've thrown ever. We had a fight. We had fights going on in the middle. The people were going crazy. You had C.C. Sabathia. Everyone was there. I mean, every single Joe Burrow was there. All these athletes.

Shooter, Gavin was there. And all of a sudden, this, this water comes in and it fills the place up to everyone's ankles and their shins. And they everyone's, everyone sprints away, gets in cars. It's impossible. And then there's this video of you, Chris McDonald's sitting in the middle of just what looks like an ocean of water and you're on the phone. And it went so viral that people couldn't believe like this. Like it just summed up what the ending of that party was. And I want to know like what was going on in your head, sitting in the middle of our dumb party with water up to unique ass. like sitting there, like trying to figure out a way to get home.

That was a, that was quite the party, I must say, because the, I was up on the upper level. I'm with my, like, Buffalo Bill's friends and even Josh Allen came in. It's like, whoa, Josh Allen here. But I'm with JK and all those guys. And then I, you know, went to the restroom and I came back and I couldn't find them. They left. And now it's pouring. So you wait for a while.

You look for, wait for the car to come. It's not coming. And then you get on your phone. You try to get a signal. out of there when it's raining and when everybody's on their phone looking at way to get out. It was, I think as it was basically monikered, it was a shit show. So there it was. And you guys went crazy with it.

And I was like, oh, nice, charming pictures. You guys had your laugh. Yeah, really funny. I'll get you back. Oh, you will. That shooter always does. I love that. Yeah.

That was a fun party, though. Well done. It actually was. It was such a bummer that the hurricane came in because that party was, like Frankie said, with the rough party and then turned into an absolute. It was fun. Well, look, we appreciate it coming on. We really have been for, it's been 24, 25 years, like, instead of quoting the movie. I mean, there's no way you guys could have known, I guess, that it was going to be this iconic. Did you have any kind of sense of that when you were making it or shooting it? It is got to be the most quoted. I mean, Adi Shack, but it's up there. Yeah, it's, no one has any idea when they're making a movie how much, I mean,

unless, of course, it's a Marvell movie when you know you have a built-in audience like this. But it's just a funny comedy about golf, and you don't know how it's going to do. But I think, again, the power of, and the cycle of television, people have caught onto it. And it's, you know, it's free. It's right there. It's front of you. So that they could see what a funny movie it was.

I think I only made less than $50 million. when it came out, but it has gone on and it has got legs, as they say, which is very, very cool. And I hope this, and it was great talking to you guys too, but I hope this PJ-T-R-2K-21 has legs as well. I've got to say, lined up. I mean, they're licensed pros. There's 12 of them. I'm Justin Thomas, of course. Cameron, Champ, Brian DeShamboschambeau, Matt Coochard, Kevin Kisner, Gary Woodward, Billy Horsso,

Paulter, Tony Finole, you know, Jim Purick, Sergio is on it too, Patrick Cantay. So, you know, it's just, it's just a great thing. And I hope that people embrace it, get their games early because it drops Friday, what? So you can get the games. So that's going to be pretty exciting. I think it will have legs, like you said. I think this is a game people are really, like, looking forward to. I think it's the first versions of this game with the golf club,

2019 and all this stuff before that. It laid such a good groundwork for like a really tight-knit, like, die-hard community of like video game golf players. And then now 2K, the whole version, like everyone coming together to make this one with like licensed players, licensed golf courses. It's like it's more for the average like video gamer. And it also has the aspects where like you were saying before, if you put it on harder difficulties, you legitimately like if you're a scratch handicapped,

if you're like a scratch golfer in this video game on a hard difficulty, it's essentially the same thing as being one in real life. That's how real they made the game, but also they've added so many things into it that make you feel like you can just go there. Like I played the other day. I shot a 59. And then I bumped up the difficulty. Yeah, but then I bumped up the difficulty and I shot 102.

So like it really is a realistic version of golf. One day you can have it. One day you can. And they've totally made that in this game. I can't tip my hat to them anymore. than I am already, and I cannot wait to play tomorrow night or tonight when this episode drops. I cannot wait to play, and I can't wait for everyone else on Friday night to see how good this game is.

That's well said, sir, well said, because I think if it wants it has that kind of capability, this game is for the novice to the scratch golfer. And that is, that's quite, that's quite something. They built this thing really, really, really well. And, oh, my God, can you imagine the trash talking that goes on at your party and what goes with these foursomes all around the world. They're just going to eat this up. And then they'll turn it up next week.

And then you can design your own little green and say, I'm going to have a break not towards the water, but towards the mountains. Just to mess with your players, you know, it's going to be very interesting. It's got almost unlimited possibilities. Yep. Yeah, look, I'm pumped.

I can't wait to get out of it. I can't wait to play a lot of the courses. I think the coolest part is the course is how many different options are. I was playing national last night. We got Knives Creek coming out. So we are. excited. We're going to be streaming a lot. Maybe we'll have to play with you at some point, Chris, and get out there against shooter. That'd be fun. I'd enjoy it. Sweet. Well, thanks a lot.

Yeah. My pleasure, guys. Thank you for having me. And have a good time on the PGA tour, 2K21. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, sir. All right. All right, next talking to you guys. Take care. Thanks. You too. Thanks. Have a good one.