Fore Play - “So Tiger Calls Me” Featuring John Smoltz and Kevin Millar

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

We’re playing in the Hilton Grand Vacations LPGA Tournament of Champions Pro-Am this week. A pair of former MLB stars join us in Orlando. Hall of Famer John Smoltz talks baseball, golf, his personal relationship with Tiger Woods, and more. Kevin Millar chats with us about long baseball seasons, the game evolving (or not?), the memorable 0-3 Red Sox comeback in 2004, and more. Before, we discuss the Barstool Classic schedule release, Riggs going to Duke-UNC, our victory on The Dozen, and as always, much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. He'll like, his name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butternives because he always knives that he's always nice to the crops the green. Rock I'm hungry.

Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. We appreciate it. I was like, hey, Bill, you only fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100.

He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that? It's ain't a hobby. For Play, brought to you by Barstool Sports, presented by Chevrolet, great American company doing the EV game, which we'll talk about more throughout the show.

We're live from the Hilton Grand Vacations, tournament of champions, LPGA's kickoff event of the year. playing in the event when this podcast comes out that will be the day that I am playing. I've been on a Hilton Grand Vacation, actually. So is Trent. Me too. Recently. We talked about a lot on the show.

Why was the, was the grand vacation? It was, yeah, that was the, yeah, we talk about it a ton on this show and that was the, what was the name of the hotel you say that? Conapali Beach Club. Hilton Grand Vacation? Yeah. I believe that's right. I went to Cabo when I went to Cabo last year.

How was that? I was a Hilton Grand vacation. It was grand. It was fantastic. I was trying to get some sun on my forehead, by the way. If you see my hat changing different areas. It's a good idea. Just last year I got a really bad golfers, like Stuart Sink tan line.

Yeah. I saw Scotty Sheffler got one in Maui. Oh, we got a really bad one. I think just like that January first exposure to the sun when you like travel from. I don't know where I'm in the Northeast. Well, yeah, you are in the sun every day. But I'm like, if you're in a place where you're not really in the sun for a couple months, and then that first exposure

that could set you back for a long time showing a line across your fucking forehead Trent had one of the more famous ones What event did we go to, Trent? That was the Masters. We went to the Masters tournament Probably heard of it. First time we went to the Masters

I walked around in a backwards hat the whole time and I got such a bad Like because it was a snapback Oh you got the hole I got the hole on the top of my head And we were staying with Dave Dave was staying at us that time And he was like

Get over here I got to take a picture you and I was like all right and he just there's a picture of me I don't remember you having that fucking sunburn really I really don't oh dude I remember that house I remember doing the podcast on that bed it was worse almost like the next week at the office didn't go away for a while

he had a basically a reverse hat on it's just tattooed on the bed I can picture what it probably looks like I just can't picture looking at you with that so we're at this tournament of champions at like I said LPGA event we're doing the relay race so it's myself dan

Trent Frankie it is on a golf channel for I believe three hours a day and then NBC on Sunday oh I do remember this that's insane you're so red dude what we're about to do

is nuts I mean for anyone listening to us we're playing our first event on TV with the green jacket oh yeah for our listeners this is a fucking pinnacle moment in four play history I mean we are playing on television we're playing golf who knows if they'll show us but rigs is playing thursday danis playing friday trends playing saturday i'm playing

i'm playing sunday we are picking up where the let the guy before left off or one cumulative score um it is wow stableford right is that what it's stable for but no net so it's just that we're playing in the same we're basically planning it's marty fish the good part is that you can just pick up after double bogey yeah so it's it's zero points for a double point for a bogey two for a par three for a birdie we're not going to make any beyond that no No, eagle, albatross, a whole on one. A bunch of eagles. I mean, I can make an eagle.

This is the real deal. Do you think we're on TV at all this week? Do you think that any of us hit a good enough shot? So we just got food, and over there was our good friend, Alfonso Rubero. Yeah. And, you know, he's a veteran miles an hour. He's a veteran of these things. And he said that they will only show the good shots.

They're not going to show the horrific shots. Do I think we get on under that criteria? No. If the producers have any brains, they would show every single bad shot that we have. I mean, that's the stuff that's our YouTube channel. That's our YouTube channel. I think that a couple of us are going to get on. I think there's going to be a shot.

There might be a part three that someone sticks it right next to the hole on an iconic part three out here at this golf course, Lake Nona. I think we're going to do it. I think we're going to get a couple shots. That's a good point. I hadn't thought about the producers slash cameramen knowing that we're so bad. and wanting to show us knowing that it'll get like somewhat of a reaction on social media. So that might be our way in. Yeah.

If Hilton Grand Vacations has any fucking brain, they're going to put out whatever clip that they can't because everyone's just going to roast us. Yeah, you know, that's kind of the thought process behind them bringing us down here, I would think. Yeah. And then the other thought process is we got a bunch of interviews. So on this show, people are going to hear more baseball than they've ever heard. But in an incredible format, we have John Smoltz. And we have Kevin Malar back to back.

Smolzzi has phenomenal stories about playing golf with Tiger Woods, how into other sports he is beyond baseball. And then we get into pitching. And man, when you get that guy going on pitching and on the little intricacies of it and his strategies and now, you know, the game now versus them. Full fame pitcher. Starter, closer, World Series winner, Braves, Mets, everything about this guy is like, he's just a part of my childhood.

the Yankees, late 90s, 96, 97, 98, 99. They're playing the Braves every single year. It was the back and forth. Braves win one, Yankees win three. It was fucking awesome to just be able to look across this little area we have set up here and just see that that guy from TV when I was younger who got me into, like, he was a part of why I'm into sports so much, that whole robbery when I'm 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 years old. Fuck, man, listen to him tell stories was awesome.

I don't think I'm ever going to get used to interviewing guys like that. Like if I was going to get used to it, it would have happened by now because we've interviewed so many people. But when John Smolts is sitting across from you, I'm with you, like Frankie that. I grew up watching those teams play. The Braves were motherfuckers in the 90s. And he's just sitting right there and I'm still giddy about it. I don't think I'll ever get used to it.

It's very strange. Sorry, I was distracted by Jake Bassson and just horrible texts in the middle of us trying to do a show. Yeah, we're doing the show and he said, breaking news. And it's just like wasn't breaking news at all. It was just like something stupid. That's just a classic again. No one's ever more confidently right and then turns out to be wrong about anything than Jake back.

So that's again, again, we're trying to record the show. And then we got other important things coming. So that again, I will say if you're not sticking around for this interview, you're fucking any because at one point he dropped. You know, I played with Tiger 40, 35, 40 times. I mean, anyone that can say that, that's more than most professional golfers ever. He's legitimately good pals of Tiger and he's- stories are insane.

And he had a front-road seat to peak Tiger. This wasn't just, oh, they became friends in the last five years. He was friends with Tiger in 2000, between 2000 and 2009 when he was on top of the world. All time, all time stories from him about playing with Tiger. And then he starts chirping Kevin Mlar who's getting ready to go on about them facing each other. And then Kevin Laker, and him talking about, no offense, Frankie, him talking about the socks, breaking the curse, coming back from 3-0. And that entire saga and what that meant to be on it was, I mean, it was spine-taker. Yeah, it's really cool.

It is cool. I mean, enough years have gone by. Yankees won 2009. It's not like we have our own curse now ever since then. But, yeah, it was devastating time in my life. Like, peak of me being. Dude, it was fucking, yeah, the Yankees. I never knew what losing was.

Yeah. Like, yeah, they lost to the Marlins. Yes, they lost the Diamondbacks. But, like, they also were in the World Series in both of those. And it was like, all right, like, you can't win every single year. They won four out of the last five, like, whatever. Then all of a sudden, it's like the Red Sox or nothing. We just beat them last year with fucking Aaron Boone.

And then now we're up 3-0. Mariano's on the fucking bump. No chance we lose this. Lose four in a row. You kidding me? No way. I remember sitting there being like there's no way. Like that's like I wanted to throw like a flag like in football.

Like that's impossible. You can't. Red Sox can't beat the Yankees. We were talking about Riggs and I were kind of whispering. Is that the greatest championship of all time? You're not going to get me to say it, but I mean it's got to be up there. 2019 Masters is what Riggs said maybe up there. I was making a little golf joke because we're kind of...

No, I mean, there's definitely people who can retort, but... There might be a football one there somewhere. Oh, dude, the drought, the curse. Yeah, it's tough. Aaron Boone. And then, yeah, down three-nothing. Like, I mean, again, people will argue that till... It's a little recency bias for me, but like the messy World Cup was up there.

Messy World Cup's pretty epic. With just the storylines and, you know, you know, soccer. But the storylines and him trying to... It's his final World Cup, but him trying to go for that and be in the... greatest and playing in the final against his teammates that are praying like that was up there i thought for that game how good that game one in the videos after at the time when it happened the um the 2011 dallas mavericks was a big one oh and they beat lebron because i was really hoping lebron would never get a title at that point everyone was like if he what if he just goes to miami and

never wins a title yeah so that maves team that dirk and jason terry that's a good one all berrea j j j jrera j j j jr jrera that was a great one but i really do do think 2004 Boston Red Sox is number one. Yeah, because you just, you can't, like, you can't replicate all the years of the drought to anything else. Like the messy thing, it's not like the World Cup had missed an all-time player not winning a World Cup in 100 years.

Like, like something about the fact that the Red Sox had it won since, like, 1918, the curse, the Billy, the, the, the, they weren't the Billy Go, oh, it was curse of the Babe Ruth. I don't know why the fuck I didn't say, think of that. Babe Ruth, they trade him to the Yankees. They never win one since they trade them. It's fucking, all the history is insane. 27 rings, blah, blah, blah.

David Goliath. Boston, New York, the accents. You can take a train from each place to it. It's right next to each other. It's a fucking... About as good as there's ever been. It has to be. It's about as good as it's ever been.

And then we've got other big interviews coming. We've got on Tuesday. We've got Michael Waltrip, who, who, he's a trip he's a trip he's a trip he's one of the funniest interviews without expecting it maybe that we've ever got that guy staring at yeah we get you know i got i fucked we get this list of names that's you know who we're gonna interview you want to go fight him what no man i looked like he wanted to fight me some guy drove by and just stared at me and i like gave him a head down he did not crack go over there

i think i need to call him the carpet i don't like the way that guy looked at me um present your dukes at some point i have to stick my chest out i can't can't be fucking pushed around like that. I would love to watch you throw a punch. That would make my life. Have you ever hit anybody? I've only thrown one of my friends. But he also punched one of my friends.

The least surprising thing. This was like a night out. I punched my buddy big rob right in the face because I still, one of my friends stole, one of my friends stole the kid's hat. They were like, he was dancing in the middle. It was at one of the, we were at the Hofstra bars and it was like, dude, we may have, yeah, we may have been like 17 and these, you know what I mean? It's one of those bars like you just get into.

And fucking someone takes the kid's hat. He was in the middle of our. crew. He turns around looking for someone who took his hat. He looks at Big Rob, punches him in the fucking tooth. That tooth is still falling out to this day. Hasn't come out yet? 13, no, 13 years. He's been dealing with his fake tune coming in. It comes out in a sandwich. He doesn't smile when he, when he works, but when he eats a ham and cheese sandwich, the tooth gets stuck in there. It's fucking hilarious. But, um, so Big Robb gets punched and then

I'm behind him. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is a moment right now. I have to do something. So I kind of just, like, side-swiped him on his temple. Did nothing to him. And then everyone jumped in and it was, it got bad. But yeah, and then we get kicked out and the whole thing happens. But I remember saying, like, I punched, I punched him too. I hit him. I was showing, like, my little knuckle. I had, like, an abrasion on it.

You got involved. I had to. But I wish I could, like, roll call. You know, I wish I could have, like, turn him around and punch. I always think about, you watch the videos where they say, like, if you punch, like, up the nose, like, maybe you can go right into their brain. You kill him. You want to kill a guy.

I'd love to see if I could, like, break his nose, though, by, like, hitting it sideways or something. What you talked about, I think was how you kill someone. one, isn't it? I thought it was a broken nose. Is that a kill? Well, the way that I always heard was the nose bone goes into the brain. Okay, yeah, that's something I would like to try out of you. Let that guy steer a big rod. You don't think I'm going to send his bone into his brain?

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and I just smoked one of the mics that was on the ground and Alex Bush had the headphones in and he just goes blow his eardrums out. A guy's back. Yeah, there's a guy with the children. Still have those children. I'm crying.

What a land. People are going to hear about that guy there before they hear about him originally. That's right. Time travel. That's tough. That's time travel. That is time travel.

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Before we end this ad, I want to talk about real quick time travel. I forgot to say about it, talk about it in the podcast. But the boys, Bustin what the boys had someone on, I didn't really, I was just reading all the captions of whoever they had on. And they were talking about time travel. And the guy said that he doesn't think that you, because like time travel would be fourth dimension and like anyone in three dimension can't like access that so we'd have whatever he was getting into all that and then he said he doesn't think that you can time travel back to just a random

time you'd have to have a time machine to start and that's when you can time travel back to that time machine does that make any sense yeah like if we created one now maybe in 50 years you can come back to this one now but you can't just like pop out of thin air into like the 1500s because there was nothing there to go back to right yes I understand how does that wrap around your head They need two time machines. No. I would assume that like you need the base one to like be created at some point to go, right? Like, isn't that what the time travel would be?

Like the fireplaces in Harry Potter? I mean, yeah, it made more sense. Like time travel doesn't really make sense to me because it's not real but yet. But like that made the most sense to me that you would need to like go back to the thing. Right. So our burden isn't making one to go back in time is just to make one. Right. So people can come back in time now.

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It was almost like one of the earlier episodes of Drive to Survive, when you're like learning about this new thing that other people love and once he starts to explain it you'd be like oh I see how people love this because it's this part's fucking fascinating and he was a trip half the things he said I still don't know if he was he just made up or if he was serious his delivery is insane

I think yeah it's a very funny delivery there's a good chance that like 75% of the interview he made up yeah um Michael Waltrip he's coming up Tuesday and then I sat down this week um and because everything we got going on we're at this event. We're going to put it out, this out, I believe, next Thursday, but I sat down

with Brando Schambly and Gary McCord in Scottsdale. And the stories that those two have playing together, Gary McCord has, because he's unchained now. He doesn't care. He's not really employed anywhere with his TV gigs. He doesn't have to be careful. And he told just phenomenal stories about being at the Masters on the broadcast, things that would go on during the broadcast, people potentially cheating that they catch on camera on the broadcast, all kinds of amazing stuff. So that's coming out next Thursday. So we've got a lot going on. And then Barstall Classic.

So today, if you're looking on social media, the Barstall Classic schedule is released. And then you will be able to register February 1st, which is a Wednesday, 12 p.m. Eastern time is when Barstallelclic.com. So you're going to go barstleclassic.com. You'll be able to register. So a lot of people would ask them, we're releasing that schedule. today. So look at that.

We're going to put it out on social media. That's coming out. But we got 25 stops. A couple big ones. This is year five. On the list. This is year five.

Year five. What a fucking time to be alive that we have the fifth year of a tour. It's basically, it's an amateur tour at this point. 25 events. I'm sure more will get added. Like we just added the Sawaro Scramble. That's happening in Arizona. But like this is fucking insane that we're about to embark on a 25 event tour again.

What did we do 27 last year? We did 27 because we added a couple of Canadian stops last year. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. The lineup that we have this year is insane. Again, just like we said for the Sawara Scramble and it rang true, if you're not there at, are we going to do 12 o'clock? Is that what we're going to be doing? 12th.

Noon Eastern on February 1st. If you're not at your computer, you have a couple days now to get your ducks in order. Ducks in row. Ducks in a row. Ducks in a row. Call your buddies. Make the text messages. Send out the e-mails.

else, figure out who your groups are going to be, figure out who your partner's going to be, you have a week, you have a bunch of time to do this. You got about two weeks to figure this out. Make sure that you're on that website because sometimes it crashes, sometimes fucking, so many people are on it. We are going to be ready this year for you to sign up at 12 o'clock on February 1st. Here's the issue that people run into is they're not ready with the information. This is what I'm saying.

You need to have you and your partner's names and emails. You need to have your gin handicap numbers. You need to have a team. name is another thing I believe that we asked for. We'll clarify everything you need next week, but what happens, people are ready at like noon and then they don't realize that they need this information, so they text their buddy, their buddies in a meeting.

They don't sign up until 1207, bang, sold out. So make sure your ass is fucking ready. We're going to keep following up because we've got a few weeks until that happens where the Barstool Classic schedule is out now. So midday today, if you listen to this podcast, probably out already. But check social media. We're going to put the schedule over the place. You go to Barstoolcliccom and see it.

And then make sure you're ready for that way. website. Okay. Yeah. Let me check my list here. Oh, another thing. I'm going to Duke U and C game. That's going to be fine.

At Cameron, right? At Cameron. Which is like when you go to the schools, you like sleep outside for like two days. Sheffskyville. That's the whole thing, yeah. I'm pretty blown away. It's something that I will say once started going to Pioneers a few years ago since those schools aren't that far.

You see the year all the time. You start thinking like, I'd love to go to Duke and Cuggan. But it is the time of year that it happens is not. golf season necessarily. But I'm doing a trip to the house for a few days. My brother and I and a couple of buddies are going down. We're going to work on the house a little bit. We're going to play a little bit of golf.

And Mr. Pashley hit us up and said, I got a few extra tickets. Is there any way you guys would like to go to Cameron? Of course we'd like to go to Cameron. So we're going to Duke, you and C. I believe it's February 4th. I will say, if anybody from any of those, that Cameron that works there is listening, we are one ticket short. So I could use one more ticket.

Good luck. It doesn't seem that easy to get. Probably the hardest ticket you get. In my... There's only like 6,000 seats in the whole stadium. In my scouring of the internet. How are those teams this year? I know...

Not great. That's one thing that stinks. I don't know how bad there. I didn't really look, but I... When Pash invited us, which is incredibly nice. One of my better friends, love Tom Pash to do death. When he invited us, he did say it's a bummer that the teams stink this year. I don't know if that means they stink relative to what they usually are.

I don't know if that means they're actually not great. I also don't think it really matters. It would obviously help if they're like one and two in the country. But going to something like that, I've heard that. I've heard the environment, the rivalry, the whole deal is as good as it gets. So I'm extremely jacked up about that. And I would find one more ticket. That'd be great.

Yeah, that's a bucket list thing for a sports fan. It's a big guy from UNC. Did he graduate? They got a big guy with a nice fat ass on their team. And you can tell, he has like, he's like, fuck, what's his fucking name, man? I watched him during the tournament last year. He's a problem on the boards. I just looked.

It doesn't appear that Duke is ranked, and I don't know of North Carolina. Well, this is the first year of the post coach K era. John Shire's at the real. He graduated a long time ago. No, I'm not talking about Tyler Hansborough. Luke May? No. Sean May?

Stop. Who were the brothers that went, the, all of the Plumlies? The Plumley brothers? Those are Duke. Oh, Armando. I never know to say his name,

back it, backot? This guy. Armando. He's a fucking proud number five. I guess he's still placed for them. He's really good. I'll see him. Yeah.

Tell you all about him. Dude, he's really good. You're going to love him. Yeah. Backet. back out you have a rooting interest yeah pass is a duke guy uh he's got some duke so i'm i'm gonna be rooting for duke and my friend jr who's

going is a duke fan weirdly i still don't know why he's always been a duke fan we've actually always made fun of him for it but if i'm going and we're going pass and he's a duke guy and he invited us i'm not going to not root you it's funny every friend group has a duke fan i had a duke fan and my friend group growing up and we're like why i think i know why because they're so good seems like a cowboy's fan yeah yeah that's very Or a Yankees fan. Or a Yankee fan, that's right. True.

It's one of those. So, yeah, I think we're all going to be... It's a fat ass. We're all going to be on the Duc train. I'm telling you something about when he's, like, getting boards and he's backing people in, he's got a... He's got a double-cheeked up inside Cameron. He's got a caboose. Very powerful.

Yeah. The other thing I'll say is, we came all the way down here. There are a couple LPGA players we thought we might be able to get. Thought we were getting Nelly quarter who we talked about is on T. Taylor. I mean, unfortunately, we're not to be able to get her, but she's on our list. I would like to get her on the show soon. For sure. That would be nice.

Superstar. Great. That's something I'm putting on my radar. She became a superstar in the last 12 months. She, I think she was the only athlete. Or maybe not an athlete, but she's definitely only the golfer on the Forbes 30 under 30 list. Is that right? Yeah, which I thought was really cool.

That is cool. So yeah, she's, yeah, and she got her ducks in a row this offseason with the Nike deal and with Taylor Made. Back to back. Yeah. Shout out to the toilets at the hotel. Just want to get those a shout out. You talked about them last year. And they're the most high-tech toilets in the world.

seat warmers. They'll spray warm water right up your asshole. I sat on it for about eight minutes. And they dry it too. They'll dry it too. It's a safety risk

of how much water you're putting up your ass. I mean, I feel like I'm floating. Yeah. I just want to give them a shout. I'm sure we shouted them out on last year's podcast,

but it's good to come back to Orlando. Dude, I've been blasting my fucking asshole. That's what I was saying. High pressure. Pulsating. Pulsating. The pulsating one's great

because it stops your asses. in this with this dog oh you have to so much so that it started to like you know when you get like a massage you know what a massages on your back and your back starts to itch like my ass started to it was hitting it so hard you you won't let any water go up there

nope that's that's immature that's like wearing shorts you know come on when you wear my I'd be hiding those legs when you wear a point when you wear pants you blast your asshole in the bathroom that's that should be the other way around really though

Give it a try. Give it a try. It's a fucking treat. And don't, you know, it's like, such an uncomfortable. It's not, no, it's like, the first second's like, oh. You guys do this over there? And then you're fucking on there. Behind the scenes, guys.

I do. Yeah, I texted them immediately. I sat down and was like, I haven't gotten unbless 10 minutes. Brendan legit was like, I'm not getting off this thing. Brian, you don't even need to blast. You just need to sit on the warm seat. Brendan said the way you sit, like, when you get to a hotel and there's a bed and there's a couple chairs, where you just like sit in the chair and hang out, he's using the toilet towel.

I didn't have to shit. I didn't have to piss. I was like, I'm just going to go sit there, text for a little bit. He sat there for like 20 minutes. Only dropped like one turd, and everything else was about the enjoyment of the technology.

It might feel like a violation for the first half a second, and then the rest is bliss. You just got to let go. Uh-oh. How's it going? We got children that are coming by. We've got children that just rolled up, so we're going to stop that segment.

Yeah, we'll do it. We're going to do a photo. This guy's got, there you go. Little children. They are. Tiny child.

You're live on the podcast. If you listen to this show, you're going to know what kind of conversation you just rolled up to and why we stopped when the children got along. He has another wagon with another child. And we were just talking about shoving water up your assles. Appreciate it. We're glad to be here. Love for you. Now that they're gone, that thing fucking blast your ass.

All right. I think blast your ass, man. All right. We can move on. But rigs, if you don't have to. But you know how it's a getting over the hump thing. I can't get over that. I'm not going to get over that.

The first hit is definitely, you feel, you feel like you want to kind of like twigley your fingers. I'm not ready for that. You want to twinkle your fingers a little bit. I'm not ready for that. We're not going to force you. Do you do this? See? You don't blast your ass?

No. I just figured they had to be somebody. Fucking nerd. He did. Yeah. He tried to call it a bidet and he said it. It's a bodegas. Or a bodega.

That's actually interesting. So you want to be in the same category as book? Right. On this instance, yes. Nothing. But do you want to be the same category? I actually thought about doing, Trenna, I thought about doing a segment where we just read out loud Alex Bush's most recent tweets over the last 24.

Well, Alex Bush, speaking of which. Talk to us about this guy that just retired, this Call of Duty guy. How come everyone was sucking his cock? I mean, in Call Duty in e-sports, he's like Tom Brady. Like, he's the guy who's, like, lasted the longest and been the most successful. So from the inception of professional Call of Duty, he's been, like, number one. Now, how many years is that been? There's, like, two or three guys that are, like, the top, like the goats.

That's what pictures of him and Natech out. They looked like they were children. They played together. Now, how many years has this been going on? How many years has he played? Yeah, like, how many years have he played? He's probably eight to ten years. And he's able to retire already.

The guy's got the bag. 2930. Fuck. Isn't that insane? What's his name? Loaded money? Scump. Skump?

He's got to be. Fucking hell. He was saying, because I was talking about this morning, because I was also curious about it. He said he's retiring from competitive. So he's still going to stream. Yeah, he's still going to, like, stream. Right.

He's technically there. Wow. The real COD coat, and it isn't even a question. The game has huge shoes to fill without the king. Can I ask you one? I mean, everyone was posting about it. Totally. Yeah, he's huge.

What makes him so good? I mean, he was just, first of all, he was successful, you know, playing, but, like, he. Pioneer? Yeah, kind of like a pioneer. Like, he grew the game when it came to, like, people caring about, um, that don't, you know, aren't as into the game. He's an Arnold Palmer finger. Like, people that don't watch gaming, some people have heard of it. I guess, like, technically why is he so good?

What do you mean? The most head shots and most kills. Like, does he have all the, like, the stats? Yeah. He's disgusting. He's just nasty. He's just nasty. He's just nasty.

I want to know because I actually am interested in this because I also played like there there's different like I guess they call him roles which is like a position he played pretty much all of them so okay because I saw everyone posting about it too Frankie and I am interested in that world because I do love following Alex Bush's tweets he'll get riled up about something that no one on my feet has any ideas even happening but he'll start losing it but I always am interested in like a guy who's that good I just want to know why like we were talking that we talked to John Smolson and Kevin Millar and they're talking about pitch selection and you know, how to stay a great hitter. I just, in that world of video games, I don't fully understand what's separate. It's also like the longevity because the game changes every year. I mean, now they're on a two-year cycle, but the Call-Duty game changes, you know, every year. So different games, different styles,

and he just continued to be really, really good. In every crew, there's always a guy that's the best at Call-Duty. It's like, imagine that times a billion. Like, this guy's just better than everyone else. When he goes out there, he kills the most people. He knows all the things. He knows everything about the game. He's fastest.

His hand-eye coordination is insane in the game. And the games they had like five, six, seven years ago where nothing compared to now, like, when it comes to how people play the game. It's the ability to adapt. There were five-person teams. Now there's four-person teams. It's like, now it's, you know, there's a lot of games like the last two games where, like, all about these cracked-out movement.

You see, like, these clips online about, you know, these 16-year-olds. Turn your fucking mic off your name. No, I'm just trying to tell you that it's completely fucking different. Fucking listen to this marriage shit. His fans absolute morons. Hilarious, how stupid these comments have gotten. Before we get you, before we put you back into the shadow realm, what's with the Bills? You like the Bills right now?

Much better than I did Sunday. They barely won on Sunday. Yeah, they barely won. But the Bengals have, like, one healthy offensive alignment right now. I'm not. Joe Burrow and like his hotness and just like the best vibe that the Bengals don't scare you right now. I think the Bills beating themselves scare me more. Not that the Bengals are.

This game's in Buffalo? Yeah, it's in Buffalo. Do you think DeMarne's going to show up to the game? Yeah. Holy shit. That's quite the emotional list. They said he's been in a facility like every day this week. Dude, that is going to. That's a pop that.

That's a pop that you can't replicate with anything else. You know, I had the same conversation this morning. I asked him about scum and I asked him about DeMarhammel. Really? We literally did. I wasn't there. No, I know. Oh, yeah.

It was just me and Alex. That's fucking weird. He's going to get a fucking pop, man. Yeah. I mean, can I, can I place on the Barso's sports book? Like, first score. absolutely is going to be the Bills. Probably like a 75-yard fucking touchdown.

I could just bet Bill's money line. Yeah. What's going on in your life, Brendan? I do a lot of traveling for this golf podcast. Yeah. We have a lot of YouTube videos. It's true. We do have a lot of YouTube videos. Yeah.

You're missing your men's league playoff. I'm missing a men's league playoff game. That's the sacrifice. And you're a lot of stress on being like a really good men's league goalie because every team is looking for one. Like, how many teams are you on? I could be on a bunch. Right.

I just don't have a ton of time. Are guys texting you all the time? Like, hey, you available tonight? The legal text you. You'd be like, oh, X, Y, Z needs you to play. For people that don't know, we call him bug. We call him e-bug sometimes. People have listened for a long time, no.

But that is because he is an emergency backup goalie for the NHL. For the Islanders, he was. Was. So that's the type of talent we're talking about. That's a shame. Our YouTube videos. Where, this is on Long Island, your league? Yeah, yeah, so I live in Queens, but Long Island's not far.

Probably 35 minutes each game. So when I moved back to New York this summer, if I moved out east. You want to skate? Good skate. Let's go. I want to skate again. Yeah, man. Wow.

Summers are better, too. You got to get in that summer league with like Charlie McAvoy and all those. Yeah, you were in the Sunny Milano. Yeah, in Long Beach, we played. I heard that's elite. You played with them. Yeah, yeah. I was like, they're goalie.

Yeah, that's insane. That's one you got to get into. Adam Fox. That sounds fun. Adam Fox is on the theme. Yeah. Because they're all back for the summer. Yeah, yeah.

So when you're an emergency backup goalie, you're sitting in the stands, you're in a suit or like you're just like chosen? I had to wear, yeah, like clothes that were good enough to wear like a press conference. So then you're sitting there. A goalie comes down. Like he gets, there's a scrum around the net. The goalie's down. He's stretching.

They take him into the locker room. Are you immediately heading to the locker room? You get out of your seat and you walk down to the locker room? You get a text. You get a text? Yeah. I don't know. what position the person holds within the organization,

but you get a text and they're like, you know, head towards the locker room or whatever. You start getting dressed. So now you're putting, you're in an NHL locker room. You're putting on pads to now potentially enter the game. Yeah. It's the craziest thing in all sports.

How many times did that happen? Never. You never actually got dressed? Never had to get dressed. That's fucking bullshit. That sucks. It does. But I know how rare it happens,

and I'm not a hockey guy, but I remember when it did happen like once last year, maybe or two years ago? A couple years ago. Carrilyne Hurricanes. Even just getting dressed is cool. He just happened at the Winter Classic. Yeah, the guy got dressed in the locker room and they're like, holy shit.

He sat in the dugout. The next guy comes out. He's in. I'll be honest. I think the rule is kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I think that that should just be like if you don't have another goal, you don't have another goal like that's on you. Play with six.

Right. Why do you get to just because if you're allowed to dress 20 players, right? So why would you be able to just dress another one in the middle of the year? It's a stupid rule. And the idea that you could be the emergency backup goal for both teams that are, present. So if you're a diehard rangers fan, you go on for the Islanders and you have no care for fucking society. Whoops.

And you're playing in like the last in the season that the islanders need two more points to get in. You've got fucking money on the game or whatever. I don't know. It's probably imagine that scenario where he or a bug goes in for the Islanders and you know that he's a diehard ranger fan.

I actually think you guys don't work together anymore. That should be illegal though. The scenario we've just posed should not be allowed to ever come true. ever won have enough money on a game for it to be significant, but I also wouldn't ever want to embarrass myself. Right. It'd be such a cool moment to be the guy that you went in and made saves.

It would be awesome. And it's just like, oh, I let these goals in to win like $300. The one that happened in Toronto? Was it the one that happened in Toronto? He wasn't a Toronto fan. Oh, he was a Toronto fan, but he went for the other team, right? Yeah, he beat the league. He was the Toronto.

Yeah, he beat the Leafs. Die hard Leaves fan. Skates with them at practice. Skates with them in practice. He's like their guy that, like, they shoots on. Beat them. That's awesome. He had a ton of saves.

Yeah, yeah. I think he let in his first two shots and they wound up He must have been panicking. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. That's very cool. It is an interesting thing in sports. That is in no other sport.

Imagine there being like an emergency backup closer in baseball. And like it's like dude that's sitting in section 225 that like throws like seven. Why don't they just make an outfield guy or a, you know, guy who's defenseman, why don't they just make him go and goal? Well, right. That's what baseball does when like you run out of pitchers, the outfield position player pitches. They say it's injury. They're just like, this guy's never even come close.

to these movements before like why would we risk our five million dollar man i'm not even saying that it should be like if you're not right it should be like you're playing six on five and then if you're a goalie or or like if you're that if you're so nervous that like two goalies isn't enough you should have to dress three yes and take like that's crazy

that's a rule that i'll enact on i'm the commissioner and the other one is i've brought this up on twitter i don't know if i brought up here but that you um if you have a power play if you have a power play and you get it with like 50 seconds off then period and you're crushing this team, you're cycling the puck in the office zone, and then all of a sudden the fucking period ends, and then the next period starts and it's a center ice face off, that drives me fucking crazy.

That time elapsing, even though the other team didn't clear the puck, makes you come out of the zone. So every time you get this power play at the end of the period, it's almost like the defensive or the team that took the penalty is getting an advantage just because of the time they took it. So like they're getting a free clear when maybe their guys are tied. and all this stuff. You know what I mean? I don't know what I'm saying. The next period, the puck in that zone as a face off. You still have to win the face off.

It'd be like it's soccer if they called half when you have a corner kick or something. It's crazy. It's like in reality they let that rush play out. Right. Or let the period go on until the power play up power plays over and then take it off on the other side. You know what I mean? Let the momentum go. Power plays are all about momentum. So I don't know.

It's like a weird thing to get mad about. The flip side of that is you get excited when you have a fresh sheet ice for a power plant. Yeah, but I always feel like it takes a second until I get going. Definitely. win the face off. You're like, you're back in your own zone. Now you're trying to do an entry. That other team just killed 15 seconds just because the clock ran down. Yeah. So, I don't know. It's just, it drives me crazy. I never really thought of that. They've debated the e-bug thing for a long time. I think the NHL kind of likes the story.

Like, they just like the buzz. When it happens. It's so rare. Because they never get in. Super rare. So I think they like the buds. It's like, oh, XYZ is dressing. He played six years ago at fucking Stony Brook University. It's awesome. You know, it's like, could you imagine if this guy gets in? Never, never gets in the game. But it's like, you. You know, a minor head guy. It's a great story. It's hard to stick with working out. Oh, definitely.

Really hard. I don't know if I've ever seen a show that is more encompassing of that. People are looking at this on YouTube. Yeah, and traveling definitely makes it harder. I know that I've been on kind of like a workout kick. I've been getting my heart moving. I'm sweating. I'm playing pickleball.

I'm riding the Peloton. I'm doing Pelotan workouts. I'm doing all these types of things. And then, like, you come to a place like this, Hilton Grand Vacations Tournament, and you're staying in the hotel and you know that that gym is filled with like athletes and celebrities because it's a celebrity

pro am and I like don't want to go there I'm like I'm very I'm very like you're intimidated I'm intimidated I'm embarrassed I'm not going to go to that's a good reason I'm not going to go now right I don't want to be working on next to yeah I'm also very intimidated are you insane so Peloton is something to me it's in my it's in my room

I'm in the confines of my own home I can wear whatever I want I can look at as ridiculous as I can I'm panting. I'm out of breath. I'm screaming. I'm cursing the person out that's supposed to be helping me on the other side of screen. I love it for that reason.

I really do. That's a great point because that's one of the main blockades for people going to the gym or going to work out. It's because you're embarrassed. You don't want to go and other people are working out and they've been doing it more and they're into it. And you're trying to get into it. Everyone knows what Peloton makes bikes, but they are so much more than just that. If you have not heard, they've got the different classes. hear people talk about that their favorite instructors i do the yoga classes with christine wow yeah how

nice is that it's great you throw on you could be in a hotel it's actually great for when we're on the road and you know you can you can chrome cast it and you put on like a 45 minute yoga situation on your on your tv in the hotel and you do yoga in your room kendal tool rocks my world on the fucking bike she's a fuck she just goes fast and hard it's crazy i just can't keep up with there and then this guy germane johnson fucking puts me in a pretzel man with the full body strength yeah he does germane johnson just puts my body in a fucking sleeper hold and says you're your mind today daddy and this body is not going anywhere unless it's going through me i swear i swear i can't do half the things he does that's good i like that you're calling out specific people because um i know people like fall not fall in love but

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see additional terms once again at one peloton.com slash home dash trial what we got for a video tonight we got ozarks Ozarks National Danny versus Lurge yeah Danny versus Lurch is that the narrative that we're going with you should see the graphic Danny versus Lurge in a match where Frankie actually played really well

and was not like I don't even think we show them commentated by Riggs yeah you guys are like side characters Frankie and Trent that's like one of the better ones I ever played really cool spot it was it was heated It was a heated, large versus Dan. There was a little bit of... Match.

Of extra motivation outside. There you go. Yeah, it's what you dream for. He's a nice guy, but when every piece of content that you put out is, you see the same name 80 times in a row, you kind of want to beat that guy. Totally. So, that's just human nature. There's a lot behind this.

It wouldn't be a human if you didn't. Yeah. I mean, the last one did great. You know, I think this full crew puts out a really good product. And I think this video is another addition to that. I think the next two are really, really strong. Just everything about it. I think the competition between Danny and Lurch is really strong.

I think the next video is coming out. Is that going to come out? What? Oh, and water skiing is coming out, which is super embarrassing. You want to hang on. And if you get bored of golf, fast forward to at least the last like 15 minutes. Yeah, it's really embarrassing. I have a shirt.

I have my shirt off. It's bad. I saw editor Kyle saying it's like the funniest 10 minutes he's ever seen. I mean, it's, yeah, it's us on the lake. Are we putting us on the lake? What promo? I mean, there's, you. have people on this podcast

who are afraid to show their legs and he has his shirt off. Yeah. Is it a vulnerable promo that they made? It's a little vulnerable. It's very funny. Brendan sent it to us

the other day. All the wording is hilarious. It's like a magazine cover. Bush knows obviously what I'm talking about. I mean, now we have to put it out, which is my intent of bringing it up. Which is your fucking piece of shit.

That's 100% why. Look at a second. The words on it. amazing. There's this, the fellas are out of their comfort zone. Dude, they put me on a Playgirl

magazine. I'm fucking holding my crotch. I got my white-ass body. Also, you fucked me with the, the lighting on this is insane. I know I'm that white, but you fucked me on this, Brendan.

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Who did that? Kyle. He came up with a copy? Yeah, he did it all. Shout out to Kyle, man. Kyle, great. All right. So that's coming out. That's tonight.

Yep. I'm pathetic, and there's really no way of getting around it, and that's just who I am. I'm okay with that. On the flip side, Riggs and Lurch, very good water skiers. Really good water skiers. Yeah, you'll see some talent out there. You'll see some actual athleticism. Yeah, I grew up with it.

It makes a lot easier. Start doing it when you're fucking young, whatever. I miss all that stuff. When you get into the life in New York where we live for a long time, it's like water skiing is like... The furthest thing. Well, yeah, you can't even imagine the effort. It was like, we had to fly to the middle of the country.

Dude, I grew up with... There were people who went to my school who were on, like, water skiing... I don't even know what you call it. Circus is a condescending term. But like the... I know what you're talking. I don't know what the word is. They would ski together.

They would like get up on pyramids and they would do tricks. It's like dressage. It's like organized, synchronized dance. Synchronized ski. Yeah. Yeah. But they were they, I grew up with people who would go to, they like, I got to go to ski practice. And they would be out on the water just doing crazy shit.

And I was never good at them. I couldn't even turn around so that the fucking ski handle. could be in between my skis. Like that was the hardest part. I honestly felt like my body was going to just be like, I'm out. It's over. Good life. Lurch's commentary that he had to,

it was quicker for us to move the entire boat around you so that the rope would come in at a different angle than it was for you to just turn your skis the other way. The skis were like heavier and bigger than my body weight. So like I couldn't, I couldn't turn. And then, yeah. We rolled like the whole time. You're just like, all right, wait, go. Wait, all right, go.

No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. My legs are locked. No, my knees. Wait, wait, wait. All right. All right, go. Then my fucking, and then you get up and just go right.

I think my fucking peepee popped out at one point. Just like, all my, my, my shorts just left when I was just getting dragged by the water. You're taking out of water. Took a lot of water. I was sick as a dog that night. All that lake water just couldn't sleep, right? I could not sleep, dude. I legit.

My body, my ears, my nose, all that water was just going through my system, that disgusting lake water. I mean remember your first time water skiing couldn't have been that easy That was my first time ever attempting it So like you do that on video in front of 400,000 people It's not going to be that fun to watch Trent didn't even attempt it I know where I know what I am

I should have known what I was I never should have gotten those things But that's on tonight What is it 6 o'clock? Is that what we're doing? 6 o'clock 6 o'clock Because the dozens on at 7 right Is that way we always do?

We try and not We've been struggling with trying to like release our stuff around all the stuff that we do at parcel It's hard to... Contrary to popular belief, Barstool, like, has a programming schedule. We have a programming schedule. And, like, they don't really take us into account.

So that's what kind of, like, gets me. It's like, we put something out every single Thursday. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, Barstall put something out at six on Thursday. I'm like, no, no, no, no, we've had this spot. Like, our last episode did really well, but, like, we put it out at six, and then we were on the dozen at seven. And it's like, that's just too much for people to, like, consume the same guys,

back to back to back. It's crazy. So, like, we have to be better at that. I don't know, like, who needs to whatever. Six o'clock tonight and it'll be a good view of. Ozarks National is a hell of a golf course. Correction, and core Crenshaw, I mean, I think Bill Cores the best living architect

and how different it was from Paines Valley. It's only a couple miles away and it was just like a complete, you know, Paines Valley felt kind of manicured Ozarks and they're masters of this. They don't move a lot of dirt and it just feels like they found this golf course in the hills of the Ozarks. It's spectacular. It's spectacular. Yeah, I didn't play this round.

I just walked and commentated and I was very jealous. Yeah. It's a great spot. It's a cool place. We have to talk about the dozen real quick. We won. We got our first victory. We haven't talked about it last episode.

First W in dramatic fashion. Huge performance at Trent. Thank you. A couple big answers from Riggs. I wasn't much of... No, you got, um... You got a big one. You got the movie one.

You got the music one. And the music one. Yeah. It was a team effort. Yeah. It was a team effort. Yeah. We lost, we missed a couple of easy ones, like, looking back.

I know. It was like a couple of them that we should have got. Celebrity mashup was hard. We knew who she was. that we didn't know her name. Sigourney Weaver. Scorni Weaver, yeah. Do we have one where we almost talked ourselves out of it,

even though the other team had given us the answer again? Yeah. And then we ended up going with that being like, we just can't live with them not having given us the second again. We don't know NFL. No. No. We don't know college sports.

Nope. So it's like if we can just answer everything else. Thus far we, no offense, we haven't known NHL either. We haven't known. We haven't missed every. We're not. We don't know. We're right.

We don't know. We don't know. I'm like, dude, there's, they're hard answers. Like, who, dude, when I looked back at my answer, it said, active player closest to a thousand points. I think you said Jamie Ben. No, no, no. I said, um, I threw that name out there.

No, I said, um, I said Joe Pavelsky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I looked back at his stats and he had 987. Like, to actually pull out a guy that is that close to a thousand. The only problem is, they said that he had joined a new team that prior year. So like, now of a sudden, you're not going to think of fucking. all these guys and it's fucking... That's the thing is we just don't know NHL.

We're like one layer off. We're not like... Claude Jaroo went to Ottawa. I forgot about that. Like, I mean, come on. That team... No, he went back to Ottawa, I think. Yeah.

I didn't know that Phil Caswell was... Maybe Florida. Phil Casaswan. I totally forgot that he'd go out of the night. So it was like, fuck. We got the win. We got the win. We got the victory.

Trent was on fire at the end. Just saying random-ass things that were hitting. I mean, how you know, scream is nuts. But yeah, if you haven't seen it... I'm actually a big scream fan. If you haven't seen it... episode it's on YouTube. The original scream is one of the best four movies of all time.

That's great. And they create a whole universe and then there's, I think there's five now, four or five screams. What an opening scene in that first screen. It's one, it's a classic, horrifying. That's Drew Barrymore. Yep. And I love the screen movies.

So we got a little bit lucky, but that's, them's is the breaks in trivia. There's a new show in HBO. I watched it on the plane. It's called The Last of Us. It was a video game adaptation. It's now on HBO. It's got the third most watch. It was a third most watch premiere in HBO history.

I think. I think number one may have been like Thrones. Dame of Thrones and number two was House of the Dragon and then three now being the last of us. I'm going to say this. I enjoyed it.

Rohn tweeted this out so I'm going to steal what he said. If you've seen one zombie movie, you've seen them all. And it's so fucking true. It's like the same archetypal. The first episode's like, how did this happen?

Second episode's like, let's get away from these fucking guys. Third episode's like, how are we going to fucking stay a lot? And the only ones come out so it may be different. But it's just like, I know where this is going. Let's try and not get eaten by these guys You know what I mean? It's a fucking zombie movie What else could someone please come out with like a really unique zombie movie one time World War Z was kind of good

Oh what was a zombie like Lincoln one Oh that's what Johnny Ball's favorite movie That's a fucking that right there is a unique zombie movie Vampire vampire Slayer? Vampire Lincoln and Vampire Slayer It's like Abe Lincoln is a vampire slayer That does it for me That's like hot tub time machines

It's a goddamn hot tub time machine It's like boss there in the title the title right there in the title. Like boss baby like Nate says. He's a boss. He's a boss. Empire hunter. And a baby?

One golf thing. Okay. Live golf got a TV deal. Oh shit. That's right. Yeah. What is that a, is that confirmed?

So everything is like nearing, nearing. I hit them up. They gave me the old no comment, which means, which basically means, because they would deny it if it wasn't true. That's a confirmation.

You hit up live or CW TV? I hit up and live. CWTV. The home of the O.C. Well, not the O.C. One tree Hill. Yeah. Yeah, it's obviously not a network that's synonymous with sports.

I love one. True. Young demographic. Yeah, what's that song? But it'll be interesting to see what the numbers are. Like, because now you can actually compare it to PJ Tour broadcasts and see, you know. Yeah. I mean, my prediction would be low.

Oh. I think so, but. I don't want to be anything other than what I've been going to be lately. Maybe like the premiere. Like, I mean, I'm sure a lot of us will watch the first tournament or the first round. I don't know. I predict a low, but, you know, I've been down on Liv the whole time. It sounds like they're doing the paying as well.

Liv is paying for airtime. Liv's going to handle the production cost, which is normally, that's not how it works. So, yeah, they've bought eyeballs, and we'll see if people watch it now. Wow. Things are moving fast. Yeah. It's moving fast. Should we move it fast to these interviews?

I mean, we have such a great interview with these guys. John Smoltz is such a legendary Hall of Fame picture. the fact that we're about to hear from him right now is exciting so get ready for that also alice drowardy we have to talk about that 30 very solid debut first round you look i know he's bummed i mean i know he's bummed i know he's disappointed i can't imagine that a couple months of all that hype and how well he's been playing he's all pumped he wanted to go low he shot that first round 30 or uh three under and was thinking you know i'm right there are you fucking kidding me man his first first tournament having legitimate status, a bit of a runway in front of him, eight starts.

He goes out, he makes the cut easily. He makes a, what do you, how many, 19, 19 birdies and an eagle. 19 birdies and an eagle, clean a few things up. I'm sure he's still a little, he's still getting a little frustrated out there. We're in great fucking shape. T30 is what he's at right now. You'd much rather be T30 from making 19 birdies in an eagle and a whole bunch of mistakes than making like six birdies because it's there.

The good, the good stuff is there. And this golf course, from what I gather, is not a golf course for guys who are heading a long way. And Alistair... Nine drivers the whole week. Yeah, so nine drivers the whole week. So it's a course that is designed to nullify his strengths. And he's still finished in the top, you know, third, four... Top fifth, probably, of the field.

So it's a very, very good sign going forward. You get a lot of one irons and two irons. And there's a lot of guys who are on the same status as him who missed this cut and they're starting... And they're already starting to panic. You know what I mean? Getting that first made cut under your belt when you have eight starts is huge. I agree I love it

I'm pumped for him They go straight to Abaco Which I've been to before Stunning place They're still in the Bahamas for one more week And then they just keep going It's like eight in a row or something like that Eight in a row or six in a row

Or six in a row And then they have like a month off And then they go a few more But the reshuffle happens after eight So that's where he's got to get through So good stuff Alster and Sam Our boys down there Griding it out

All right let's throw it to these awesome interviews Good luck to us at the Hilton Grand Vacation tournament of champions this week. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. All right, folks. We're joined by somebody actually played in a, I think last year we played in the Tucson.

I guess the member, or the, sorry, the Pro-Am Wednesday before the Tucson event at the Colagard, maybe a few years ago? Played in the Champions Tour event, I think, three years there. Didn't play last year. So it might have been, it might have been two years ago. But obviously baseball legend. John Smolts, you've done a lot of playing. You've gotten big into the golf world lately.

One of my big takeaways when I played with you was you were using one of those putters that you leave there. Still have it. You still use that puppy? Bloodline putter. Is that what it's called? Yeah. They tried to make it illegal.

They did? They did. But they've suspended it until 2025 to make a decision in 2025. So it's still legal now? Still legal. Just kick the can down the road. Yeah. So this puppy, how'd you get into the bloodline putter?

So Arizona, my financial guy had one. I was like, whoa, let me check that out. I made everything. I was one of the worst line putter. Like, you could tell me where to putt it, but my alignment was horrible. This has saved my putting life. So I don't stand it up very often anymore. I still can.

but I've gotten to the point where now I feel, I see all my lines again because of trusting. You line it up, you think you're lined up, you go behind it and you go, oh my gosh, that's two cups to the right. And no wonder I'm not making any putts. So I've gotten to the point when it's 15 to 20 mile an hour wins, it's a tough, it's tougher to, you can't stand it up.

You just got to use it as a putter. Okay. That's how it happened. As soon as I putted with it, I went right to the store. Then I got connected with the founder and, and the rest is history. Yeah, it's, I couldn't believe it stands up.

Yeah. The fact that it stands up on its own, that's very funny that if it's windy, it'll just get along. Well, you know, when they change the rule that the caddy can no longer line you up, this became a huge advantage. I'm sure that's why they've been trying to figure out it's a conforming club, why that was maybe never the intention, but too bad. Does it just buy one?

Does it feel just way different from like the waiting from a roller cutter? It's a very light shaft, all the weights in the head. And again, when you think about golf and how hard it is, if you can eliminate one facet of, like, if you only have to worry about speed, putting becomes a little less challenging. Totally. But if you have to worry about speed and linement, then you've got a lot of things going on.

So, you know, the pros are at a whole different level. But what I'm a very sight-oriented guy, pitched on the mound 60 feet away. looked at a target, tried to hit it. So that's the same way now I'm approaching golf when I'm physically good. Which you said is not right now. I'm not physically good right now. It'll probably sound like an excuse, but I am, three years ago, I had surgery scheduled

when it was the Diamond Resorts the next day after the tournament, and I won the tournament, so I postponed it a year. That was the hip surgery? Yep. Then the next year I had the same surgery set up, and I won the tournament again, so I postponed. it again. And then last year I postponed. There will be no more postponement. I'm having it as soon as this is over about 10 days from that. So full hip replacement. Yeah. I'm not excited about it. But I know a lot of good things happen when you, I just can't keep doing what I'm doing.

My dad had one and it changed his life. Yeah, that's what I've heard. But you know, when you're, you know, I had what, nine or 10 when I was playing surgeries? You know, you just don't want to have anymore. So I get it. It'll be better in about eight weeks. I'll be playing again. And I'll probably playing a lot earlier than that, but don't tell my doctor. Is it hip a common injury amongst pitchers? I mean, 20 plus years on the mound, it's, you know, I wouldn't say it's common, but it definitely is something that you, genetically, I'm probably, you know, my dad had it, his brother had it, my dad's dad had it. So I probably loose jointed, very loose jointed and pitching, but I'll tell you what probably did me in was the 10 years of competitive basketball I played

after I retired from baseball. In what form? I played two and three leagues a week. What? Why? Because I love basketball. Basketball is my first love. And I was getting after it.

It was my competition after baseball was done. I had a group of guys playing with some ex-MBA guys and just loving it. You know, stay it in good shape. And then when I hit 51, that was it. I haven't touched it since because if I touch a basketball right, if you throw me on right now, I'm going to find a place to go play. And that's not going to be good. You really love it.

Yeah, that's how I grew up in Michigan playing. That's what I thought I was going to play at Michigan State. And then, of course, baseball, I knew would take me farther once I played my senior year in an All-State All-Star game against seven NBA guys, Glenn Rice being one of them, Roy Marvel, BJ Armstrong. And I said, Dad, we're going to go to baseball. What's your game like on the court? I love to run the point, love to kick it out, break a guy down, kick it to a wide open three.

I can shoot, but I'd rather pass. And so, you know, when you're known for baseball and you get in this league, and they start, they were three-quarter, full-quarter pressing me, talking trash to me the entire time because I was a baseball player. Well, I quickly silenced them within five minutes because they didn't think I could play. Right. So basketball, you know, in Michigan, I played three sports, seasonal, unlike what kids do today. Yeah.

They're one sport, and that's it. So when the season changed, the weather changed, the sport changed. And I loved it. It taught me so much about baseball. I mean, how to be balanced and compete and utilize those skillset. Baseball, basketball. I played football as a quarterback could wing it like crazy. I didn't say, you must have.

You're a stud, man. But my dad made the right choice. Once I got to high school, I said, no more, can't play, because I would have got crushed. Because I'm the guy that would stay in there. I'm going to lead it in interceptions and touchdowns. You're like a Brett Farfiger. Because I'm not throwing it away. I can squeeze it in there.

We'll never know. But my whole career, I threw a football in the offseason. And that's what helped keep my shoulder and everything loose. It's less stress on your elbow. And you're exercising your body in your arm without throwing a baseball and putting that tension on the... That's really interesting. You threw football every offseason. Yeah. That's, I must have been an interesting choice because if you're the QB, I mean, was the school devastate?

Was your high school? They weren't very good at all. So they needed you. They wanted me to play quarterback, but they were not very good. They got this slinger coming out. Yeah, I made the, my dad made the right choice because I knew baseball was what I had a chance to play long term. Basketball was my first passion, and football was just something. I could say this now, but I played a lot of off-season football games, flag football.

Yeah. You're like the general managers couldn't have been happy. No, I, nobody, you know, I stayed healthy. I shagged like crazy during baseball to stay in shape. There you go. That's how I stayed in shape. You know, I didn't do stupid stuff like play with people I didn't know and pick up basketball. But my routine in the offseason was three days a week, legs, upper body, and an hour and a half of basketball, three days a week.

And with the guys that I trained with, and that was in the best shape of my life. So you clearly have this kick, too, about playing. with the best because you've played quite a few rounds of golf with Tiger Woods. Yes. Yeah. And what a blast. You know, TV cannot even come close to justifying what you see live. And I tell people all the time, you know, he has gears that most people don't have. He has imagination that most people try to have. But his will to compete is right there with Michael Jordan.

I don't know who I'd put. I put him, you know, neck and neck tie. Yeah, my old job was basically following Tiger around. I worked for Golf Digest for a couple of years. And I only really caught one window of Tiger greatness. And it was toward the end of 2019. He won in Japan. And then he went over to the President's Cup and he was the best player at the President's Cup by far.

And he was, you know, every shot's turning toward the flag and every shot's cutting. But you probably played with him in his heyday. I did. So what, you know, what's your best Tiger story? I loved watching him warm up. I loved going to the range. The shots he would try and the. You know, obviously I would be the same way throwing a bullpen, in particular where my hand is.

And mechanics is everything. But his will to win, and obviously his ability to talk trash was second to none. But he had the stinger any time he wanted it. He had the shot. Now, what I remember during that stretch is he would hit a shot. I was playing with him and Marco Merrin. He'd hit a shot, and he would go six feet from the pen. And he goes, called over Ameris says, look at this.

Look at that. Now, he had nothing to do with where the ball ended up. He goes, that's just talent. If that continues, I'm in trouble. And he was talking about his divot pattern and where the club was coming through. And I'm going, yeah, you're really in trouble. You hit it six feet. But then I realized that next level for them and how they translate under the gun what they're trying to do.

And I played with him and Onica at the same time when Onica was the first time she ever played with Tiger. Truly the greatest round of golf I've ever been part of. Where was that? That was at Oworth. She was getting ready to play on the men's tour, play I think, in Memphis. So she was nervous and rightfully so you're playing. I mean, two number ones in the world. And so I, he told me.

He told me the night before. He says, we're playing with Onica. And I said, all right, you know, don't make a big deal. But I think I'm going to beat her straight up. And he goes, all right. So we get out there and they both tee off. And I'm ready to pull it back. And he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Oh, God. I'll bet you, Onica beats you straight up right now. Oh, shit. Call me right on the carpet. Well, fortunately that round, I did. I beat her. Hey. I didn't say a word.

She said something. It got out, and next thing you know, it's like baseball was secondary. I beat Onica. Well, the next time we played, she waxed us. Oh, man. Talk trash and won all the skins. So she definitely was a treat to play with as well as Tiger. So I was recently reading about you got a call from Tiger a few Sundays before the Masters.

Yeah. I was in spring training. He called me up. You know, he wanted to always hit against me, which he did. We did a simulation game where I was trying to get ready. Nobody was there at the stadium, and he hit off me, and he did what he did. He wanted to see everything, and he got a little mad when he realized I was trying to lay it in there for him because it would be like me trying to go to Augusta and qualify.

I mean, he's a great athlete. He handles the bat. But this particular day he calls me, and he says, we're going to go to Augusta. I'll pick you up at 6 a.m., and I'll have you back by 3 p.m. can you do it? I'm like, man, I'm in spring training. Can you give me a day? I don't think I can do it, but let me ask my manager.

Well, him and hawed and went into the locker room and finally went into Bobby's office and said, I totally get it. It's on Sunday. I said, I got a really kind of an off day Sunday. Here's the deal. If you say, no, I get it. And he said, I'll see you Monday.

And I was blown away. So the part of the story that got a little crazy, was I couldn't find his FBO. It was foggy, and I couldn't, I was like 20 minutes late. And I'm on the horn, just trying to figure out where his plane is. We get there, we land, couldn't hit any balls, had to go right to the first tee.

Because you guys were a little late. Yeah, it's because I was late. And I pipe it down the middle, and he hits it in the bunker on the right, and we're walking down a fairway, and he goes, this might be your day. I said, you darn right, it's going to be my day. And I made six, he made four, he shot 66, I shot 76.

and I've never seen anyone to tackle golf course. They were all Sunday pins. What year was that? Gosh, this would have been early 2000. So, yeah. And so, I mean, he boringly hit, you know, shot 66. It was nothing spectacular, but it was a course that he knew so well, and all the pins were Sunday pins.

So, you know, that's a memorable round on our period. There was a clip that came out like a month ago or two weeks ago, and they asked Tiger, like, what's the most? fun round of golf that you've played with celebrities and he said like with smolts and the baseball guys yeah yeah he he loved baseball he went to a lot of our games um we had a we had a three on one it was me maddicks and i think avery but it might have been glavin but i think it was me maddox and avery and we were waxing them like a scramble or no it was our best ball against his like you know three on ones i mean it's not that's not easy

for even the great new well right he turned it on the last five holes and he netted out winning fifty dollars and you would have sworn he had won the masters he went crazy rallying back and uh he he just like i said loved competing and we we we had a it was like the greatest run of ever for me personally he has such a reverence for athletes he loves athletes he loves picking their brain i remember watching him talking to dwayne wade and any sport he just wants he just feels a camaraderie with you guys. No doubt. We play ping pong, shot hoops.

You know, and the thing is, like, watching him do his thing is, I mean, he played me on his knees one hole. And I knew, I knew, I mean, it wasn't like I didn't know he was going to hit great shots, but he had to play every shot on his knees. So he'd hold it down on the shed. And I had to use one club. I had to use one club and one club only. Okay. So par five dogleg right 500 yards, par four, sorry, at Iowa.

So I figured five wood, five wood. If I missed the bunkers, I got a chance to make four or five. Well, he striped his driver, striped another one short, chipped up. He made five. I made four. And I got, I said, not again. We're not doing that again. And then he got up and down with a two iron from the bunker.

Just for sheds. Just, it's just stuff. you can't make up if I mean I wouldn't believe you if you were telling me this but I saw it and he got up and down with you know he could open that two iron up it's just that kind of stuff I can't imagine how many different ways he created a shot how's he hitting it from his knees that just seems I know just hitting this big draw yeah he just rotate and peered it so he's clearly using these opportunities to to refine himself right in those moments he's coming to back against you three and all that.

Did you, do you feel like you got better at baseball while playing against him? You know, I learned, I learned so much. We had, we would have these inner competitions. I'd have one.

He challenged me in my sport. And then he would throw out a challenge in his sport. And it was a fun, friendly kind of like, hey, you get your ERA to X. I got to win three of the next five tournaments. And just thinking about that statement.

That's just the coolest thing of all time. I have that with your friends. Like, me and my friends is like, oh, let's try to meditate. for three days ago. No, it's us.

We're like, if you break 90 and don't jerk off during the month of February. He did a great. Well, what happened was my first second game as a closer, I gave up eight runs and two thirds of an inning. So my ERA for the year is done. That's tough. So he's like, hey, I think it would be a great challenge

if you can get your ERA into the threes, and it'd be a great challenge for me if I win three in my next five tournaments. I go, you got it. Well, he won the next three. Oh, my God. So he accomplished his. I had to accomplish mine.

I did. But it's just the mind. mindset of the way that he competes and trained. It's not shocking why he did what he did. How do you end up that close of friends with Tiger? What's the first time you guys interact? You know, what's funny is that we met at a grand opening of an All-Star Cafe in Orlando, and he was just embarking on the tour. Like it wasn't, you know, you knew of them and you just knew what he was about. Before the Masters. Yeah, way before. And so I just said, hey, we're going to be down here, spring training. Here's my number. If you want to go to any games, you want to play any

golf you know that's that's what i wanted to do totally and sure enough it comes the game well let's play golf and uh took took took took me up on it and we we if it was 35 or 40 rounds it's probably close i mean it was a ton of golf we played all day when he had time and because we were there in orlando and it was the perfect timing of the year it had a nice window before the players and then before the masters and you know um it was you know he came to Atlanta and played my course when he won the first American Express Championship and then Eastlake and went to some playoff games. He just loved sports like he said. He loved watching it. Love being part of it. Before we lose you, I got to ask you a couple of baseball questions. Obviously

Yankees fan. So late 90s, that's like where I got into sports. Yankees braids was why I became a sports fan, amazing rivalry. One of the things I've always wondered in this new age of baseball is how much do you see pitching has changed from like now we're in the in the position where they're taking out pitchers with perfect games just to preserve arms and they have all these pitching limits like do you see is there mechanical differences now like what like what is the main difference between when you pitched in the late 90s early 2000s as opposed to information and reward system okay they're just not rewarding guys for doing things differently and if you're not then you're going to they want you you to throw as hard as you can go as long as you can and not too long so it's not the players

fault. They're training for what the reward system is. It is, in my opinion, really, really affected the game, I think, in a negative way. They're going to try their best with rule changes to try to speed up the game a little bit and get these great athletes, you know, in position to do some things rather than stationary kind of three-true outcomes. And it's not about, you'll, you know, you hear a lot of old-time players going, well, back in my day, the reward system is totally different. We got paid on performing and basically you had to pitch 250 innings and you were going to get paid. They're getting paid today on possibility. Potential.

So when you run an algorithm and analytics the way it's being run, that's how the game and that's what you're chasing. So, you know, from that standpoint, do I think that's a good long-term plan? Absolutely not. But from an economical side, I'm sure they've run those numbers to say this is, there's factory of arms coming left and right they're not ready they rush them the big leagues they can throw like the dickens they got stuff that's unbelievable but again that's a trainable thing that's not law you can't last you got to be such a freak i say it all the time like you look at your tachometer in the engine and the car there's a red line you don't go past the red line too much you don't yeah

you want that car to last their red line pitching well it feels like Tommy john is inevitable these days And that's the other flaw in the philosophy that people have adopted. Like, hey, it's inevitable, you're going to get it, you'll be better. Not necessarily. There's a lot of myths about Tommy John. I had mine after 2,300 innings. I knew what I was going to do when I came back. These kids are having it at 16, 18, 21.

They have no idea. It's like preemptive. You have no idea. So the thing that I tell, and I said it in my Hall of Fame speech, it's not a guarantee. But you can likely come back to where you once were. if you're a 12 year old, the likelihood to coming back as a 12 year old is decent. Yeah. But then what?

Right. And what's the life shelf, the shelf life of that? So I just think that the athletes are so big, they're so strong, they're so talented. My personal desires to see them play, like I got to play, 21 years. I would think, and again, I know financially they don't have to, but, man, wouldn't it be great to play as long as you can? And I think that's, the curve is coming the wrong way on the average. career length for these guys. Man, they're way more talented and way

more gifted. I just want to see them to stay healthy. There's just like an artistry to do a complete game too. Just watching one is way more I don't know, fulfilling than watching something like you're saying. Watching somebody pitch a complete game is like, that's cool. Yeah, and here's what I'd say about what they could do differently is when you

watch an all-star game, it flies. You know why? There's no mid-ending pitching changes. Right. Everyone pitches an inning. You wouldn't know the difference if you showed up an inning later, two innings late. There's no stoppage. the more stoppage you get in our game, the more innings that are interrupted with seven pitching changes, that's where the game slows down,

and that's where the strategy's been allowed. They're not doing anything other than the rules allow them to do. So if the rules change, the philosophy will change, and then maybe, just maybe, you'll be asking your guy to do a little bit more than what you've been asking them because you need that. 10 to 12 pitchers, starting pitchers per team, on average is what they need to get through the year.

My gosh. So, I mean, if they can keep doing that, well, then they're going to keep doing it. So hopefully, you know, the pendulum always swings a little too far. Maybe it'll come back. Because if you look at all the teams that win and all the teams that win a World Series, pitching, pitching, and veteran pitching. So the formula's there. Kevin Malar wants to speak for the hitters.

Got to score some runs. There's a pitching second. We'll get the hitting in a little bit. Oh my gosh. Yeah, no, it is crazy. I just feel like I'm still in that. Like, I'm at that age where I saw both of them. Like, I'm in the analytical world now,

but obviously late 90s, early 2000s, you're like, this pitcher's pitching well, let him fucking go, let him pitch against this guy. And now it's like you're pulling him out because the analytics say that he pitches better against a leftie, even though he's a, you know what I mean? I just... We've got about eight or nine pitchers that when they leave us,

which is soon, starting pitching is going to look really different. Who are those guys? Kershaw. Erlander and Kershaw. and Kershaw and Scherzer and, you know, those guys who've lived through both eras and have learned how to maximize the information and still know how to go eight and nine innings, right? I said Burlander's a 10-speed bike. Everyone should look at it that way. He can gear it up when he wants to, but he's not living in 10-speed. Right. And like, Kershaw's not throwing 99. No. So the guys that are in our younger generation that max out, when they lose velocity or get hurt, their career is based. They don't have any other way to pick. So I hope they're learning to do those things because that's where the era of baseball is going to change drastically when we lose those kind of guys.

Because in theory, what analytics wanted to do as a puzzle they put together to say, we use more pieces to get through. It takes care of not having the stud, the $25 million pitcher. They've tried to replace that. And by doing that, you cut short the starting pitching that everybody needs. And so that's why you see some veteran guys extending well beyond. what normally would be their expiration date because they still know how to pitch. Charlie Morton, Adam Wainwright, you know, those guys, when they're done, we won't see that anymore. In my opinion, until we change philosophically and ask guys to do a little bit more.

I think that's right. That's interesting. Yeah, a couple of us are big hockey guys in the show, and they did that in hockey 15 years ago when they came back from lacqueror. They changed the rules of the game because they had a clutch and grab and it was boring, and they changed it to a lot more penalties if you even put your stick on somebody and they wanted the excitement of the game to stay fast and speed up

and it worked. It's a lot more exciting. Every sport's done, and baseball's been slow to do it. They finally pulled the trigger this year. You're going to see some absolute changes to the game that are going to affect it positively. The shift going away is going to be fantastic. And, you know, opportunities that are going to create an opportunity

to probably steal more bases than we're doing. A lot of things that'll happen and that'll be great. And, you know, I think if we had the rules that are coming into play, Kevin Millar would have more than eight stolen bases in this career. Is that the correct number? Is it eight? He would definitely.

Whatever you guys do, I mean, he's a good friend of mine. Don't ask him about how he fared against me because that will set the show in a whole different. Well, how did he fare against you? Zero damage and he was a bully because he decided he could say a fastball slider. Also, he was developed a split finger. Like, who does that? I mean, small. And, you know, like 150 wins or a plus and 150 saves, like, bully.

And he could hit. He's only after you on the team. What was your strategy trying to get him out? A lot of sliders. He wanted to pull the ball. He didn't like going the other way. So right-hand of hitters, there was only one or two I feared. Albert Pujols was one of them.

And the Cabrera, Miguel Cabrera. They stayed on the ball. I like guys who didn't stay on the ball. I like guys who wanted to lift, clean and separate, hit it out of the park. I had really good success against them. But those guys, they were elite, and obviously are Hall of Famers.

That late 90s Yankees team, what was it like trying to go through that lineup? Because for me, I love the homegrown nature of them. I thought they all, it was the perfect baseball team in my life. You know what they had that doesn't really maybe exist today, is they had a team approach to beat us, and they executed it perfectly.

Right. And that team approach, They didn't have a bunch of 40 home run hitters. They had a bunch of 20, 25. They were disciplined. I only had two free swingers in that lineup. But they said from the start of 1996 when we were up two games to nine. And then I blacked out.

I don't remember what happened after that. They said they were going to make us get out of the game and get to our bullpen. And they said they took pitch after pit. They basically waited us out and it worked. And they won the next four games. They were very disciplined. and I've never seen a whole approach like that collectively guys buy in. Right.

How does that happen? I mean, you guys had similar, though. I mean, you guys were such a good team for that stretch. It's like, is it someone? Is it like a Derek Jeter in the locker room? Like, who's, like, how is the whole team collectively all buy into the same thing? They bought in. Bob Watson, I believe, was the hitting coach then, and they bought in, you know, about what you see.

All the things that we knew then, the same guys know now. It's just more advanced. We had the same information just not as 10. technical. You knew where like they liked to hit it. You knew everything that a hitter wanted. And we just didn't have the printouts and the, you know, the sexy stuff. Yeah. So at that part of the season, when we had won three in a row against St. Louis, we're down three games to one.

We scored 30-some runs. Then we beat the Yankees 23 to two in the first two games. But I remember saying it was 11 to nothing on my game won against Pettit. And I kept coming in. I go, they're not swinging. Something's up. Like, you've got to be swinging an 11-0 game. But they stuck with that plan the whole time.

And finally afterwards, because I knew Bob Watson, I said, Bob, you got to tell me, what did you guys do? Like, why did you didn't swing? And he told me, he said, we collectively said, we got to get you guys out of the game. Wow. And we'll beat the chills. They did. That's incredible. Wow.

Fucking awesome. That's incredible. Well, what an interview. Good luck with the surgery. Thank you. This week. Eight weeks? That's not bad.

It'll be back in five. It's not bad. I mean, Malar had hair transplant, and it was like six weeks. He's playing golf. I got to say this, too, and thanks for having me on, but he carried me yesterday as a partner. The man's on fire right now. I hope he stays that way because he's climbing a corporate ladder of where he wants to finish

in these events, and it's big for him. Like, this is like he's passionate, loves the game, loves people, loves life, but let's face it, he's got to get in the top 15 sooner or later, and maybe this is the year. All right. Awesome. John, we appreciate it. Thank you so much.

All right. So I'm going to imagine people have already heard the Smoltz interview at this point. Yeah, we're going to do a baseball episode. This is a baseball podcast episode that we're doing. Kevin Malar on, you were just getting chirped pretty hard over here. Yeah, yeah. What is your vantage point of what he was saying about, you know, your guys interactions out there, you guys duels.

Yeah. What happens is it's Smoltsy's playing. played probably 42,000 more rounds than everybody because let's be honest, guys. You guys were talking about pitchers and stuff. Think about what they do. They play once every fifth day. Think about it. 30 times here if they're quote unquote healthy, awesome.

Position players 162 every single night and pitchers want you to go out because they're partying for four nights. They got golf clubs on the road, right? They're going to a city. They don't even play. Hey, bro, where we're going to go golf? So then they want you to go out and party with them. But then the night that they start, they're in bed by 1123.

They got their, you know, they got their lotion on their hands. And, I mean, it is a racket, you know, as a starting pitcher in the big leagues. And I'm telling you right now, kids, if you're listening, pitch, just throw. Throw as hard as you can. And then you're in. And, you know, you can go three-eens now. Right. That's so true.

And you said, I mean, a pitcher can't hit, except for that, the one that we just had on the show. Yeah. He's a pretty good hitter. Smolsey's good at everything. He's the most competitive dude I've ever been around. It's probably what Tiger likes him so much. He'll compete ping pong, basketball. I mean, the guy, and we got close, you know, since the networking stuff,

and facing him as a, you know, as with the Marlins, you got, Gladvin Maddox & Smoltz, that was a fun, you know, series. We lost 100 games a year, and we had them a million times, and the Mets were good without a lot of them. But it was, like, facing them, and now seeing them, it's as I wish they were just this nice of guys. He was saying he was playing flight football in the off season. Like he couldn't keep him off a basketball court.

You couldn't keep him off a football field. No. He's crazy. He stayed with me. one of the World Series. You know, we live outside of Houston a couple hour drive in Austin and I mean, he just,

the guy gets out of the car, you know, he has the basketball and we get a little, you know, the hoop in the driveway, he just, whew, whew, I mean, look like Steph Curry. I'm like, bro, is there anything you can't do him? His hair's not good.

The hair sucks. His hip is bad, too. Right? He's got the convertible. He's got, well, the hip now, but that's age. But the hair, you lost that, you know, fifth grade.

But the guy is an unbelievable athlete. So you want him on your side. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm always curious of that, dynamic, even on a team between the pitchers and pretty much everybody else. Because that every fifth day, that's so unlike almost any other sport. It really is because, like, he should be good at golf. He could play four days a week.

That's why they're all great. Like Derek Lowe, won it last year, Mark Mulder, I mean, Marty Fish, you know, tennis, but you look at all the pitchers, they can play golf and they play well. And, you know, honestly, God, I never play golf when I played. I really wish I would have. But wasn't that cool now golf's really cool. Yeah. But think about it.

We've got to be at the field that, you know, you got to, four o'clock bus, three o'clock bus, whatever it is, you're getting up at 6.30 as a position player, golfing 18, right, driving back to, and then you're just a quick shower, and then you've got a game. So that's why there's not a whole lot of position players to play. Consistently, you know, on the road,

that was a big word, by the way. Consistently, you got through it. I got through it. We battled. Did you guys get that? But, you know, they are. They can play golf, most of the pitchers. So when did you get the golf bug?

When I got released in 2010 with the Cubbies, you get home, and you're 30 years old. You're old in sports, but like, what are you do you do? do. Like, what do you grind? It's a lot of years to fill. Think about it. Our whole life was, you know, 1 o'clock bus, you know, 4 o'clock stretch, BP at 6, games at 7, so you're wired that your whole life for 20 years. So there was a golf course near, you know, and back when you remember of a golf

course, like you had to be rich, right? I mean, that was like the rich kids, you know, so I never was around. But I joined it, met a few guys, and, you know, you started out as a big 20 handicapped drilling people and losing balls and then, you know, it's been fun. 162 game season. Was that just the biggest grind ever, or is it okay when you're in the midst of it? I loved, like, every minute. Like, you know, and I love baseball. You know, Dustin Bidroyo, we were with John Lester, his retirement party a couple weeks

over Atlanta, but just talking, but like dudes, not everybody loves baseball. There's a lot of guys that are great at baseball, that they just, they want to get away from it, right? No more Garcy Pahr. You know, he's great at baseball. Want to watch soccer on the TVs where we're trying to change it to the other games. But he was just like, that was the way for him to get out. Like once they play, they're out. I was a lifer.

So I love the grind of like 162. I hated days off. You know, you had spring training for 30. So you're getting ready for, you know, that six weeks prior. And it's just, but that's the grind. So that's all you know. Yeah. It sounds like a lot if you're not a baseball fan.

But once you're, when you're a ball player, like, you're in there every night. And it's a dog fight. You know, you're rolling, you might have Clemens, Messina, you know, Andy Petit. In the next series, you know, you're playing. Rain Johnson, Kurt Schilling with Arizona. So you can get, you could fail a lot as a hitter. And I think that's the one thing that makes you tougher as a position player is you fail.

Like, you know, you're making a right-hand turn 350 times a year, opposed to making a left, you know, 150 at a 500 bat. So it's one of those things like it's a grind and you just never, you can't get too down and you can't get too high. Where does he rank on all the pitchers he ever faced? Dude, he was as nasties or was, honestly God. Like the nastiest guy people ask is Randy Johnson. When he's thrown 100, 610, you know, not easy on the eyes.

Yeah, and nasty slider. So as a right-hand hitter, you're looking heater. It's 100, and then all of a sudden here comes this 92-mile slider that just drills you in your right ankle. So when he was on, he was tough because of the velocity. He smoltz, powerful, man, fast-ball slider. You know, I was joked with him, and then he developed a split finger. But he's just, he's power. You know, Glavin and Maddox, they're just going to frustrate you all game.

you just never find the barrel. But like those guys, they're going to embarrass you. Was that more frustrating when a guy, is it more frustrating to get these like little weak ground balls than to swing over something? Yes, yes, because Maddox, you know, he threw 70 to 88 and the ball moved everywhere. It's like playing wolfball in the backyard with your buddy.

You know, once you crush me, like, yeah, but it's always moving. It's just they never find barrel. How do you, because you talk about failing a lot, you do as a hitter. That's just the name of the game. How do you, over 162 games, keep yourself. straight because you're striking out, you're, you know, hitting ground balls. Like, how do you keep yourself together? Yeah, I mean, you line out, you know, it's like hitting a good shot golf or a putt, you know, whatever. But you just, it's one of those things, it's a constant craft. So every

day you take batting practice. You go to the cages, you go, you know, you're doing flip or some guys who have team, Manning Ramirez, you know, I used to follow him around because this is the greatest right-hand hitter I've ever seen when I played with him, you know, oh, three, four, five, you got pulled and Cabrera. But I was with Mani, so watching him, and it's, it's an art. Like every day he hit. He'd get there early. He'd go, Bobby, let's go. He went to cages every day, and he's hitting 340 with 35 and a hunter.

So he comes off so aloof. You know, like, oh, we're manny, me, manny, and what's he doing? Defensively and goofy when he runs sometimes. But when he's in that batters box, like, there is so much time that's put in at 12 o'clock during the day. The game's at 7. He's watching video. Like, it's not a secret why these guys are the best, like Jordan and, you know, Kobe Bryant. You hear about Tiger.

I mean, he's going to arrange five hours after a round to work on. that craft. So hitting's that. Some guys don't do that. And then, you know, it pays up. You just, you don't make the adjustments. The guys that work, they stay in the game. Has baseball evolved like the other sports have where, like, I feel like if you take a guy from the 90s in the NHL, he may not translate to 2022. But if you take Manny Ramirez and throw him on the Dodgers tomorrow, you know, prime many Ramirez, he's still hitting 340, 30 home runs. I mean, has the game changed that much to you, do you think? not for right-handed hitters.

I think right-hand-handerers, you can't shift like the left-hand-of-hitters. Ryan McCann's here at this event. And, you know, it basically put them into retirement. Yeah. Because it does get frustrating. I mean, I did, you know, do a few of the Red Sock games. And the first time I really saw it was in the booth.

I'm doing a game. And Devers comes up. And there's four outfielders. Yeah. Right. Like, and, you know, the fan. Well, just Bunt, just Bunt four times. Like, if we're going to watch Barry Bonds,

and you're going to watch him drag bunts three or four times. Like, that's not. what we really want. It's something that it looks normal because there's nobody on the left side. But at the end of the day, like we're waiting for Big Poppy or Barry or somebody to hit it in the leg. And that's where it's just now with the shift changing, it might get back to like what we're talking about. Now, Freddie Freeman, he hits 330 with a shift on. But he's a bona fide hiter. A lot of guys don't hit. They're swinging for the downs. They're paying to hit 220 with 30. And so this launch angle and all the stuff you guys are hearing, it's an uppercut.

Right? We had uppercuts, now it's launch angles. Like, so there's this, but at the end of the day, you got, it's the best cat-mouse game in all the sports, pitcher versus hitter, like the adjustments and who's going to grab their crotch and let's roll. I mean, and that's the mindset, but we're like matched up now, and then you can't see the hitter more than twice and two times around the lamp. So there's all this stuff going on that sometimes deteriorates the battle. And they're bringing the shift.

Are they stopping, eliminating it? Yeah. Are they trying to? This would be the first year's back where you can shift, but you can't go on the other side of second base. The second baseman can, the shortstop or the third baseman can stand, what, like, just to the shortstop side of second base? That's right. That's right. There's been shifts, but we're the only sport.

Like, you can't line up ten linemen on a line or you can't stand the key for more than three seconds in the NBA. So we're the only sport. Like, there's got to be just a little bit of rule. So is it two guys on each side of the bag? Yeah. So the shortstop can't even cross. I was actually trying to think of, like, why are they allowed to basically tell you, why are they allowed to basically tell you? you where to play defense, but that's a great point

about basketball where you can't stand the pain for you can't just stand, right? It's fucking great point. It really is. That's a huge argument on behalf of changing the rule. Because I think I was going to say at some point, like they shouldn't be able to tell them. Well, it's just like, oh, wow. You guys have figured out the defense so well that we have to change the rule, but like every fucking sports

figure. We're the only sport. Right. It's crazy. Well, that just blew my mind. You're always coming up with these great things. See, guys, I didn't realize that. I was an L.A. City College graduate at my associate's degree, and now we just figured out. Well, you got that.

And then, where's LA City College downtown? Yeah, Vermont Melrose, right by SC. Got it. Beautiful place, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the SC campus is nice. The SC campus. The area around it is not so great.

We were a mile down the road, and I'm telling you, first week my car broken into twice. I'm like, man, this is awesome. But you did it to play. Could play anywhere else. We figured out the rule, and of course, fucking don't let us win today ruin my life. I mean, as the Yankees fan. No, remember we bonded. We did bond for a little.

little bit, but you know, for anyone that doesn't remember when you talk about, it's just, it actually, like, hurts my soul going back to that time. Watching that, I watch you do that interview before the game. It's just insane. Just remind us just a little bit, like what was going on in your brain, like why you're saying that. I mean, was it like a joke at the time, as you're saying? Did you actually have the confidence? No, so what really happened was Dan Shansi caught us frauds and did the, in the Boston Globe. He's right up there for Boston, and instead a pack of frauds, we're down 03, and I was taking a deuce that next morning reading the paper back when we read the paper. And I just see the pack of frauds.

I'm like, dude, frauds? Like the Yankees might be better than us, but to be called a fraud because we're down 3-0 and a 7-game series, that was the one word that. So I got to the field that day, about 12 o'clock. Media is allowed to come in probably at, you know, two or three. And, you know how it is. You're down three games.

We just got our asses whipped on game three. And so guys just sitting there, you're just kind of a lot. I came to just talking smack. And I was like, all right, frauds, bro. So here comes the media. Here comes Shansi, and there's 50 guys. And so I just started, you know, talking smack to Dan, like, your hair sucks. Your hair sucks.

Your hair sucks. And so you kind of see it's uncomfortable for a second. And all of a sudden you got dudes start locking it. What the hell is my saying? And all of a sudden, big pop. Yeah, bro. Whatever he said, you know? And then all of a sudden he started this little fire of that word fraud is now we're not down

O'3 right now. We're kind of like, let's figure this out frauds. So I'm like, is Trott Nixon a fraud? Is Billy Miller a fraud? It's Pedro Martinez a fraud? I go, they might be better than us. And so I'm getting my shoes on, getting ready to go out there, and that's when the boom stick caught that. And where the

dug is like, you know, why are you so hard of me? And I said, Danny, there's a difference. Yankees do their line up. It's A-Rod. It's Jeter. It's whoever. It's Jambi. It's Sheffields. Masui. It's the whole scene. Billy Miller, Orlando Cabrera, Mark Bellhorn, Kevin Millar, got it. They're better. Fraud's a big word.

That cross the line. Well, that's a big word. You get the power of the pin, but don't let us win tonight. I'm going to tell you that right out. Don't let us what we got. We had DeLo going. It wasn't a great matchup-matchup-wise. But then we got Pedro Game 5, Shelling Game 6, and anything happened in game 7.

So that's how that started was that on the toilet seat with the word fraud. And then there we have it. It's amazing how much media can. change the landscape of a series like that. It's crazy, right? Because it gives you, they call it bulletin board material, but like it gives you guys a reason to like really rally what you said? Bolton. Yeah, I couldn't get

there. Baltimore Oriole board. Yeah, Baltimore Oriole board. Bulletin board material. But it is, it's amazing in sports how, especially team sports, how you you almost take that word and even if like he didn't deserve it, which he does, he's a loser. But

he doesn't necessarily serve it or whatever. You take it and you find it. You start chirping your own guys and like in the Jordan Doc when he literally makes up what people say about him so that he'll hate these people so when he goes on to the court he's got this fired he's going to go out he's going to bury you and it's like you guys

found that like you said it's like maybe they are better but like we're not frauds we're going to bring the key it's a big word and it worked like that clearly fucking worked it just gets you off that mindset of what the series is at because to beat the Yankees four straight I mean Michael Waltrip won two

Daytona 500s I mean, anybody wouldn't one. Tell me about where you were standing there. Two outs. We're down by one. Mariana Rivera, one of the greatest, number 42. And by God, I walked, Mike. He threw up my neck.

And Joe Torrey this day says, the only only one regret is walking to the mountain saying, go after Milar. And God bless America, Mike. We're standing together because if I'd have popped out, I'd have probably been reincarnated as you know what. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, a fraud. 1.5. Now that survived. So we have a brew company, Mike Waltrip and I, and I have number 15. He was the real 1-5. He's older. I was going to have to bring that up. Talk about when you said, please don't hit me.

Please don't hit to me. So, yeah, that was, so, you know, Yankee's team. You guys are really friendly with the Red Sox. Yeah. So I look over there, and there's a sign to my left, and at first base, and we're playing defense. And it says, Malari. equals Buckner. And I was like, oh, God. You know, he had to move to Montana. I wasn't ready for that move yet. So. He had to run. Yeah, I'm sitting here going, oh, my God, please don't hit me. Oh, my God, please don't hit at me. And I started counting, like, where are the righties? I'm like, okay, Pasado lefty, Jambi lefty, Bernie lefty, and Matt Suey. And then Jeter goes to the right. God, pull the ball. And I'm like, you start panicking. Like, a physical error cost you're life. I've been in Montana. Mike and I would probably never have been friends.

They don't race much up Montana Did a ball come to you while you were freaking out or no Maybe one I think I smothered it because I had great hands I got snubbed a few gold gloves as you guys probably remember Yeah Now we're going to talk about him, huh? No I was being facetious I was being facetious

I liked you better when you were scared I was that's what I'm saying Brick hands you get scared over there What was that month after that like For you guys in the city of Boston I can't imagine a group of guys being more revered, beating the Yankees down three. I mean, that must have been heaven. It changed the culture.

As a player, you don't realize the years that people had suffered. So that was the cool thing, like to realize the grandparents that had passed or Denver saw the Red Sox. They call us a rivalry. Excuse me. And I said, wait a minute, 27 rings to zero. That's not a rivalry. That is a butt-whip. Yeah.

So there wasn't a rivalry. The cities and the towns and, you know, generations. But as players, it was like, we won. And that's what you're trying to do. And then you realize how special it was in time to do it for the Red Sox. Because now with just the, you know, the emotions that people come up to you, it's pretty cool. You don't realize that while you're in the moment. You're just a player.

Right. You're just playing against the Yankees. But then if you're not from Boston or not from New York, you don't realize the passion that the fans and the towns have. And then you have three and a half million people for the parade. And Massachusetts is very small, but it feels like you can be in Seattle. Somebody's from Boston. Somebody's a Red Sock fan. It's like the Yankees and the Cubs and the Red Sox.

There's just fans and they travel well. But it was the coolest thing. It's life changing because you're a normal guy and then now you're Errol Smith. Yeah. And we were just normal dudes. You never paid for a drink. Yeah, you're Jack Daniels. I mean, you know, you do shots of Jack now.

Every bar you walk in, you're doing Jack now for the rest of your life because somebody's going to remember. What feels better? A Boston fan being like, a Boston fan being like, oh my gosh, thank you for doing this. Or a Yankee fan like Frankie being like you ripped our fucking hearts out. Well, Frankie's got to understand this. How much nicer can I beat to Frankie? We gave him a three-game lead. And a lead in the ninth inning.

So they're up three and they're up in the ninth with the greatest closer in history. You would think Frank would just say, you know, Kev, God bless it, man. You guys deserve that. And he's still mad at me. Did you just see anything change with Mariano? Like what what? Because to us, it's like, hold on. Everyone in the house is like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah. Do you guys seeing something on the bench being like, that's not the usual, that's not the usual Mo?

No, we face him a lot, right? Because you're the same division. So my, me personally, I enjoyed facing Mo. It's not that you made a living off Mo, but he was a one pitch hard boom. And I could hit the fastball. But his command is impeccable. So when he puts that cutter and Posada sits there, that glove doesn't move. Like that's, he's got 95, 96, 97. You know, he's. elevates it, but it's a filthy pitch because it comes at you as a righty. So anything that throws at, you're kind of like flinch, right? And that's what his hitters, you know, it's 95 in your ribs or hopefully it's going to cut. So I just kind of, you're hoping to cut it. But I love facing him. And, you know, I had a home run against him. Maybe that's, he knows he's homered. Maybe he's like,

want to be more careful than he was. And obviously he threw five balls. I mean, you know, sorry, four balls, but one hitable pitch was the one O count. I fouled off. I think he gave bloody towels like behind me the ball was coming out in my face something I was fouled it off over the left little dugout and some bloody towel you see the towel up oh god that's before the nets it's before the nets exactly right it's funny when you talk about like yeah the towns because I always think about when you see a stat you watch a game and you're like oh this team hasn't won against this team in 30 years at home or something ridiculous that and you think like well those players weren't around in 1980 they don't give a shit about what the record was or what like the the lifetime

record between the Yankees and the Red Sox is that they've that guy may have just gotten signed four months ago he doesn't give a fuck but then like when you're saying when you look at the bigger picture it all like you're when you're signing on to that team and you're putting on that jersey you're taking it all in you're taking everything that comes with it you're taking the town you're taking everything that happened a hundred years ago 80 years ago it may not feel like it but it is a part of the story it's your it's such a great point yeah media you know you always hear uh the philly in boston new york but it's the passion also yeah like when we played the royals we were sold out.

When we played the raise in Tampa, we were sold out. You don't realize that until you go play for the Orioles my next three years after that run in Boston. It's not like that. Like we go with there's 17,000 people in Tampa now, and everybody's talking about what a bad place it is to play. And I'm like, no, we were sold out. It was awesome.

But you don't realize it, but until you leave those organizations, the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Cubs, they just travel well. You know, people that can't get tickets would sell out in Baltimore. They'd drive up the road and go to that game. So it is an amazing thing because you take on all of it and that's what you want as a player. And the ones that don't want it, then keep them, you know, in the West Coast or somewhere that's more mellow. But you know makeup's a big deal.

And GMs don't think about that enough. Give me some makeup from our player besides being maybe the best player that doesn't like that. Yeah. Did that factor into your decisions about like where to sign based on the city and based on the team and the history? Or was it just get as much as I can? No, my whole life I want to pay for the Dodgers, right? Growing up in L.A. I was 20 and I left L.A.

I've been in Texas for 30 years, but Dodgers were my team. Vin Scully, my dad, every day. And my whole career, I was on the East Coast. But when it's all said and done, my makeup is an East Coast player. Like, you know, I loved everything that comes with it. The pressure, the negative, and then the positive, right? And when you do well, your love for life. And that's just the way it is.

So winning a championship, obviously, in Boston is huge. And being the first one, I mean, there's no greater championship world series ring right now, in my opinion. I mean, the Cubs did it. But I just feel like there was something cool about Boston because of the Yankee series. Yeah. It's on the Mount Rushmore of all-time championships. No, yours is number one. Yeah.

Just the Yankee Sox series was crazy. And then the year before was unbelievable. You know, when that game, Aaron Boone's home run, like, we're extra Indians in Mario. His four-inies in, he could have pitched 17 a year, we weren't going to score a run. But that was an unbelievable game. It was the 2003-2004 back-to-back. Yeah. It was the highest of high.

Three was Aaron Boone, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that rivalry was so hot down. fire we fought you know there's always something going zimmer and then the trot nixon did any punch or veraac punched arad errod that thing sheffield fought you know some fans are right field feller flew the old guy down but yeah that i mean that was the it was crazy it was insane crazy you guys like what do you guys saw that clip were you like pedro what did you just do pedro was just walking out of the dugout

and pedro's just walking out of dugout and all said zimmer comes running across the field they hated Pedro because he hit Jeter a few times and you know Pedro would pitch and all of a sudden you just see him step aside and kind of going down and it was crazy because you don't know what's going on until he's a video I'm like oh my god and everybody loves Zimmer I mean he's the best grabbed his head it was an insane video I want to kill him so how do you feel about this week here playing your game your game feeling good yeah I love it man I honestly got I will my way around and my golf swings terrible I love just the competition of it you know getting the ball

in the hole. Putting's always the thing. I could drive the ball pretty decent, but it's just the nerves, you know, it's our Augusta. Playing the ball in the hole, right? You're like, with your buddies, like, that's good. That's good. And you get over a 16-inch putt here, you're like, oh, gosh, oh, my God. Downhill and left for right? Like, it's, but it's, it's amazing playing with the LPGA girls.

Like, Nelly Cora, like, watching them swing. And, you know, dudes, when we swing, we're like trying to smash it. Chicks take the long ball. It's, we don't even know. And their swings are just like butter. And the ball goes, just as, far as ours. I just swung as hard as I can. You know, they're awesome.

It's a fun week. It's a fun week. We're doing a relay this week. What do you got? So I play the Thursday round. We keep one score for the whole time. I play a Thursday round. Dan plays Friday round.

Trent plays Saturday around. Frankie plays a Sunday round. Dude. So it's the first time we've ever done anything like this. First time we've played in something like this. Speed, bros. Let me just tell you. On the putting.

don't worry about making it just get this son of a good I putted for like 30 minutes and they're rapid just speed just kind of know your speed no down grain no injury right my guy fucking Scott Fawcett he tweeted up the other day stop trying to make putts did you see that tweet

dude his whole thing is that putting to make puts he said and everyone's like what the fuck do you mean and like what he's actually saying makes sense just like he always does like with the decade golf stuff where he's like if you try and hit the put percentages are it's not going to go in or exactly where you want it.

So just try and get the speed and the location of where you want to start this ball. If you nail that, everything else is essentially just locked. Like, you know what I mean? 30% of perfect putts don't go in because of imperfections in the green. Exactly. So he's like, just find your line, find your speed and just hit it there. Just be aware of down grain and in the grain. Down grains fast.

Stop looking at the hole. Stop trying to make this going to hole. We get 20 foot put. That's not a birdie putt. You're trying to putt and get the hell out of it. If you watch on the PJ Tour putting green, they're all doing speed drills. Because it's not all that hard to start a putt online for most people. It's like if you put them on a dead flat thing with one of those putting mats, you're going to make the puts.

It's where you're just matching up speed in line. And nerves. Yeah. Right. You get a little nervous. I'm nervous. Totally. I'm nervous right now.

I'm nervous when you said the word putting. I think, yes, I think the first putt I might hit this whole trip is going to be on the first green 12. Yeah, seriously. Just wild out. Figure it out. Yeah. You got on your good job, roll the rock. Good lot.

What's your best finish here? I think I snuck into the teens once, but most of the time been down there at the end of the 20s and some 30s. But I just want to get into teens. Do you like a six handicap or a seven? Yeah, five, you know, but I mean, I'm going to shoot my good rounds going to be 74, 5, and then my shooting rounds is 8. That's pretty consistent. You're pretty tight. Yeah, I just want to, if you can just play four good rounds in the 70s for me.

Yeah, what, how good are it like top 10 in this? They shit. I mean, Marty Fish and Tahoe. He had nine birdies in the first day. He shot 65. I'm like, I don't have that. He was almost a pro- Yeah, so like you're playing against dudes that

like Derek Lowe, like they golf. Right. I mean, we're up there, like you said, you get a few pars and roll. You're feeling good about yourself. Totally. A bogey and another par. Like, I'm like, I'm on.

Beautiful. Right? You mix in a birdie or two, but like, you know, shit can happen out here. You can have par five to get there in tune and do something fun. Well, it's good that we know we have no chance. At least I'll take a little bit of the bottom. I agree with that.

How long is it? Is it like 6,500 yards? Yeah, it's not too long. Just get in the good grass. You know, the roughs are different. Keep the course in front of you. These greens would not, would that would be a fucking. Like long always good round.

It's not good. Just keep it amazing. If you're in between clubs, just take the shorter and keep the course right in front of you. All right. All right. All right, cab. All right, boy. Appreciate it, man.

Thanks for stop. Bye, guys.