Fore Play - Sophia Popov, and Bloody Winged Foot

Episode Date: August 27, 2020

The most recent Major Champion, Sophia Popov (43:23) joins the show to breakdown her win and discuss her career. From overcoming Lyme disease, losing her LPGA Tour card, missing a short putt to get status last year, to just last week being ranked No. 304 in the world and winning at Royal Troon, Sophia’s story is amazing. Before, we discuss Frankie and Lurch’s experience at Winged Foot as things get heated, BMW Championship, Bryon’s odd fake dog story, and more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. It's our second show of the week, and we have an awesome guest. Sophia Popov, one of the coolest stories in golf that I've heard in a long time, and she tells it in a great way. She's cool as shit. She's German, yet also American. We can get into language.

Frankie asked a great question of, like, do you think in German or English? that threw your brain into another place, Frankie. Yeah. Bilingual humans are something that I can't wrap my head around and I won't accept. I can't accept. You all who listen to this podcast know I can barely speak in English and I've been speaking for 27 years. I have no idea.

Well, I haven't been speaking for 27 years because I guess my first year, I didn't really know what was going on. 26. 26 years, basically. And she like can think in German, dream in German. I don't know. It's fucking crazy. wait until you hear. She's awesome. She has such a good vibe to her.

Yeah. And we also get into the fact that like some people have labeled her as like a caddy that wins the open, the British Open. And like she has been grinding at this playing and fucking collegiate tournaments and all this stuff. And she was on on and off getting her card and stuff. It's really, really cool story. I'm a huge fan. She was awesome. I agree. She's just got, she's very cool. She's down to earth. She's such a normal person. She's clearly got good friends out there. She's had an interesting experience coming from, Europe playing at USC. So we talked kind of about that transition and then clearly going from someone with no status, qualifying for the British Open pretty much last minute and then winning it.

So the story is phenomenal. She had her boyfriend on the bag. She's literally drinking wine in Germany while hugging the trophy the whole time. So it's an awesome interview. That's coming up in about 20 or 30 minutes. Speaking of drinking, one of our favorite drinks on Planet Earth, as you know, is the barstool transfusion. we could talk about transfusion for what four years straight. We've been talking about that damn drink.

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Yes, because then the next day we played Sage Valley and he was there as well. Yeah. So, or no, it was that night. I don't know. That whole weekend's a blur to me. That was also the same stretch that we did the Pioneers Travel series. Yeah, that was fucking nuts. Jake Owen, Private Jet experienced the weekend before.

Crazy, crazy stretch of a week or two there. But Libreys is the man when he came to Westbury Theater and played, which actually feels like it was right before, it was on Valentine's Day, so it was right before the world ended. It was like the last fun night. I had in public was like the Lee Bryce concert. I went backstage. He was recording a new song on his fucking RV.

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how did you guys get lee bright or something you guys get lee bright he's arguably one of the biggest country stars in the world. His songs are absolutely massive. He sells out arenas, not like little venues, arenas down south. So, I mean, he's the man, and I cannot believe that he just did that, like, just out of the goodness of his heart. Yeah, I know. I got to know when's text, too. It just said LFG, all caps, with like 10 X baseball points.

I didn't know what the fuck was going on. And then I jumped on Instagram and knew instantly. So it was sweet. But anyways, go get yourself someone. Owens, go check out the transfusion. You're going to love it. LeBrice loves it, so why wouldn't you love it? You can go to store.dop, varsalports.com,

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So I went in. I usually do the I usually do the glass with ice, you know, like ice, just make a glass ice water, but it goes so fast. I drink it so fast. So when I did my little breakfast sandwich and coffee run this morning, I saw this fucking huge jug of water in the fridge, and I grabbed it. It was like, give me, give me one of those.

I'm going to need one of those. And it's just made it a lot easier today. It's cold, and it's just a ton of water. It's great. Yeah, for the people who are listening, it's like a gallon jug of water that he's now opening the lid and drinking out of it. It really reminds me of like a fitness bro does that. Like Billy football would carry around a jug of water and drink it like that.

So, I mean, it looks like you're trying to, you know, stay healthy. Oh, your audio's gone. Yeah, gone. But I don't think that people. No, you do that. Is it back? There you go. There you're back.

What the fuck is that? Is that the laptop thing I was talking about? I don't know. It's like sometimes it's Zoom. If you, like, don't hit the right decibel. It just takes you out. My decibels are off. you know what I mean like sometimes if you like scream it like cuts other someone else off like when

I cut you guys off during the podcast because I just keep talking and talking and talking you guys will go silent so like I think that almost happens like when you speak maybe it's just like is it the squeaks when I squeak maybe it just it just I don't know for the listeners sake that makes me wonder if any I wonder if everybody crashed their car the other day listening to frankie scream at the top of his lungs when the aisle scores some guy named uh some some some Twitter handle named Arnold Palmer was like, I really could have done without the Islander celebration this morning. Okay, Arnold Palmer, like, thanks a lot. I understand.

I apologized for all the listeners. Like, you can't make me. They're already in the poll when you, when you apologize. You can't make me watch. Like, my life depends on the Islanders. Like, that's just what it is. Before this podcast existed, before I even existed, the Borrellys have watched the Islanders play hockey. And that is what I am going to do every time they are on the screen.

and when they score, I'm going to get happy. They play today at 3 o'clock. We're doing the try. Speed of which, like, your family obviously, like, was obsessed with the islanders for a long time. Your dad loves them. Did you ever try to play hockey or now? No, it's,

Long Island's not really a hockey area. Like, you were so obsessed with. But my dad wanted to get me into it, but with the restaurant business, like, he's like, he looked into, like, the ice times, like, my dad played pickup hockey when he was younger. He played on some teams at Kaniak Park and stuff. And he's like, the ice times were such a hassle,

and he's running a business 24-7. He's like, I couldn't get you to practices at night. So I just did baseball. And then during the winter I did basketball, which was an absolute waste of time. Like, I mean, I was the skinniest, frailest, you know, no one even wanted to look at me. I actually had a decent shot. You know, like the big shorts that they give you. And like, I played in like CYO, like a pretty good league too with like, because all my buddies are good at basketball.

So like we'd play like a really big game against like the best team in the fucking county. And I'd be sitting there on the bench. I wonder why I'm not going out there. It's the only sport I would ever get like benched on. And I felt like an asshole like, like, all right, come on, let me get out. I just picture you in a jersey and shorts that are three to four times too big to you. I can't wear a tank.

A little arms coming out of the back. Just little Frankie Borelli getting guys water, helping out as much as he can, but he's never getting on the floor. There's a picture, and I'm not sure why I'm even bringing this up, because I have the choice not to. But there's a picture of, like, my high school golf team, like we got, like, written up about in some fucking herald or, like, the newspaper and there's a picture of my golf team and there's 10 people on the team and they're

all wearing pants and I'm the only one wearing shorts and they're the skinniest little legs and I'm sitting there like hello like I mean I looked I looked sickly maybe that's when you stopped wearing shorts you saw that I think so look at all the other kids by one friend's wearing Tiger Woods pants like Tiger Woods circa like 2002 pants and he looks like he's just going to get blown away by the wind it's parachutes on his feet so Yeah, we're going to need that picture. You know, I know you, that's, you reluctantly brought it up, but I felt the same way when I talk about how my sister's dressed me up as a girl.

So now we're going to need that picture. Yeah. Yeah, we've got to get the pick. I want to give a, I want to shout out our listener, Kyle, who sent us a DM that I stumbled across, and I want Kyle to stay positive, stay motivated, and here's why. He said, hey, guys, I'm a huge four-play fan and an avid golfer. This past Friday, I was enjoying a cross-exam. quick round at one of my local clubs when I got struck in the eye by my own golf ball.

I had to have an emergency four and a half hour surgery to try and save the eye. Unfortunately, the damage was extensive. I have another doctor's appointment tomorrow morning talking about surgeries and what potentially lies ahead. I've been binging your podcast this week and just wanted to say thanks for the content you guys put out. I'm obviously going through a tough time right now, but you guys have been giving me some much needed laughs.

I'm hoping tomorrow will bring some good news. they'll be able to play golf sooner rather than later, and then he sent a few photos. I got to tell you, that's one of the most unlucky things. I don't know how it happened. I don't know if it had to hit off a tree or off a fucking sign or a cart path or something and bounce back at him to hit him in the eye. But that is, to me, that's one of those just,

he's going through a round, like any of us go through a round. There's a normal round of golf in a totally freak, unlucky accident takes out one of his eyes, and he's been listening to the podcasters, has been helping him get through it. But shout out to Kyle. Good luck. Yeah, it makes me want to throw up because, like, at any moment,

something like this could happen. I feel bad for you, Kyle, but I'm also happy that this stuff, like, kind of gets you through some bullshit that's happening in your life. That fucking sucks, and there's no way around it. I'm sorry that that happened. And I'm glad that, like I said, I'm glad that our stupid little show about me screaming about the Islanders and Trent,

looking like an idiot and Lurch to be dumb and rigs, I don't know, squeaking around. are the worst put-downs I've ever. Well, just trying to be lighthearted. Mine was so big that it hurt my feelings. Like it was so non-specific that I was just like, damn,

that hurt my feelings. But I got, yeah, what was crazy, man. What did he give you? He's just an idiot. That's what you called me.

Isn't that what you should, looking like an idiot or something? Looking like an idiot. Yeah. Makes me never want to hit through the trees again. Yeah, it's just fucking, because you don't think about this stuff,

you know? Yeah. And it sucks. Yeah, keep your head up, Kyle. give you the rest of the day is better than the news you already have. Keep your head up there, Kyle. We're thinking about you.

Hope your eye hails. I hope you can play golf one way or another ASAP as soon as possible. Okay. Wingfoot. We were at Wingfoot all day yesterday. Interesting. It was interesting. First of all, I mean, let's just state the obvious.

The course is going to be a phenomenal test of golf. classic U.S. Open, sometimes people may complain about veering from that, going to a place like a Chambers Bay or even at Shinnock where they kind of, the fairways, they did the restoration, the fairways were a little bit wider at Aaron Hills. The fairways were a little bit wider, and it wasn't necessarily the traditional U.S. Open, which you think Wingfoot, you think Oakmont. You think these places where the fairways are incredibly narrow, the rough is incredibly long and thick, the greens are firm and fast, and that's a classic U.S. Open setup. And Wingfoot has delivered the massacre at Wingfoot where the winner, Hale Irwin was seven

over bar. It's delivered Phil Mickelson collapsing, which we got a reference from, because one of the jokes that the boys on entourage told of like he's collapsing like Phil Mickelson at Wingfoot, where Jeff Ogilvie won that US Open at five over par. And there are whispers around that place that the winner is not only going to be over par, but could be several over par. And that's coming off the backs of Dustin Johnson, winning the last tournament, a playoff event at 30 under par. Imagine how fucking good these guys are.

Scottie Shephylars up 59. And they're not going to be able to do the best player. The person who plays the best for four days is not going to be able to finish better than one, two, three, five, seven, eight over par. is crazy to think about when we say those numbers. But after having witnessed Wingfoot, and you guys clearly, I mean, weren't playing it from the tips.

You're also playing the blues, which are pretty damn good. But that punishing of the golf course is going to be so enjoyable to watch. Yeah, I mean, it is incredible. Like, it's glowing right now. You can also, Reg's, we were walking down the rough, and you can see how much they shrunk it

just because, like, the old rough is like a little bit like a more faded green and the new rough is more of a darker green. But the place is immaculate. And somebody, I put something out on Instagram this morning of like just me chipping and it's just rolling way off the front

and somebody responded like, oh, like if I want to see guys struggle like I'll just go to my local muni. It's like, well, no. This is like that's idiot struggling that don't know how to play the game. This is like a joy because Steve and his crew and Wingfoot have this like ultimate test of golf and it is going to make these players think through a golf course like they never do on like a usual track where you know up in Boston that

you know DJ can go 30 under 30 under is just unattainable and unattainable at wingfoot um and the place is in perfect condition and it is going to be a challenge I think it's got to be we all threw kind of like numbers out yesterday I think you guys were like three one and then I just did the obvious over and I take four but I don't like feasibly I don't think that you can shoot you can't be under par nobody will be under par it'll be four or five over a par i think is yeah it's um it's a mike tyson 12 round match you can't you can't get a breath of fresh air you step off one green you go to the next tea you can't believe that you have to go through those obstacles and there's not really that many obstacles it's just a te box it's a green

but there's everything in between even though you don't see it like it's just the is so much more than anything else the golf course can put at you. Like give me all day, like those dead areas and like Arizona golf courses where like maybe you can still like get a piece of the ball. Like I'll take anything else. I'll take water. At least you know that you have to like re-tee and hit another shot. When you hit it into the rough at fucking Wingfoot, you're dead.

You're absolutely dead. The got the, the caddy that we had at Wingfoot yesterday said that you can't see the ball until you're standing over it. And that is so fucked up. Like, no matter where you are. I hit a drive yesterday, or I even hit, I hit an iron shot that hit a fucking mound. It was right in the middle. Riggs was laughing out loud behind me.

It was like in tears. It hit a mound and just kicked right to the point. It was a perfectly diagonal turn off the middle of the fairway, ran to the rough. And it was a punch out. I was just trying to play it safe. And then, like, we lost the ball in the rough. Like, it was like, I couldn't believe what was happening to me out there. I don't know how guys are going to score.

I think when you're like 170 yards out and you're, and usually like, maybe you watch like a fucking pro like Dustin Johnson, Tiger Woods, they'll attack up in. I think they're going to take fucking wedge out and just punch it out into the middle of the fairway. It's just too thick. It's like unhittable thick, unhittably thick.

And this is what we want. Right? Like we have used the word carnage. It probably gets overused now, but it is the perfect word for it. Because that's what we want to see once or twice a year. We like to see it. When the weather is horrific at the British show,

and you can see it. And then usually just the setup alone, you get to see it at the U.S. Open. That was when Bryson at Shinnikov called it clown golf. Zach Johnson, one of those boring figures in all the sports, said they may have lost the golf course. That type of stuff is what makes the U.S. Open, the U.S. Open. It is its identity.

And it also comes with this amazing amount of prestige. So you can't, as a top golfer, you can't, you don't have a choice to skip it. You can't be like, yeah, that's just that golf isn't. right like almost any other turn web simpson withdrew this week to just rest up for eastly when the u.s. open comes around you don't have a choice you're one of the best players in the world you're you're playing because it's one of the four opportunities of the year only three this year to get a major championship the u.s. open and you just have to do it like frankie said it's 12 rounds with hyson because this golf course wingfoot west does not let up you tee off and right away it's like

if you don't hit this perfect draw down number one down the right center of the fairway and get the right bounce and stay in the fairway, you are going to have a battle on your hands to try to make par. And like neither of you guys played that hole particularly poorly. And it was one with a double bogey on the first hole. And it was like you just can't be pin high or deeper and not on the green and keep it anywhere near any of the pens. You cannot do it. And when you're talking with Steve Rabidoo, who we had on the show years ago, I think it was legit three, four years ago that we had them on this show, was the superintendent at Wayne's foot. He worked with Gilhance to restore the greens, which we got an amazing behind the scenes

look at last night going through the maintenance shed with those guys. But he was saying that what you have to realize, you can miss short. But missing short is an intentional decision. These guys are so good and precise that they obviously can hit their numbers. And if you're going to go at a flag that's 16 yards onto the green, you better hit it on the fucking green at that flag because if you miss left, you miss right, you miss long, you cannot get your chip anywhere near the golf hole. It's like it's fucking impossible. And we're going to see that for four straight days from every golfer.

And that's only if you hit the fairway. Do you even have that option? If you don't hit the fairway, you're going to lose 30, 40, 50 yards of roll because the fairways are firm and fast. But if the second it hit the rough, it just disappears. Like we lost balls yesterday. Jason Gore, who we're playing with, who probably shot one or two under, played great golf.

on the second hole we missed the fairway what 10 yards to the right we just lost his golf ball we never found his golf ball and that is three and a half inch rough they're going to keep it five to six inches it's going to be significantly longer than that during the u.s. open than it was yesterday so it's going to be fucking awesome the people you know the people that they put in chairs with little flags out there are going to be put to work at wing foot because they try to scramble put a little flag next to somebody's ball but we were laughing because you know at our level we certainly can't control our miss. We kind of just like, at least for me, just try to hit it to the center of the green. And if you miss it and it goes to the flag, awesome. If you miss it too much and it goes in the rough bummer. And Frankie for nine holes straight, just missed on the wrong side of the hole every time where he had no green to work with had to chip up, couldn't even get it within a mile of the flag sick. And you don't have control really of where that miss is going to be. Like Frankie's trying to hit it to the middle of the green or wherever. And he just, his miss just can continually was on the wrong set of the hole in the wrong spot every time.

And he just couldn't get away from a double. Just like, here's another double. There's triple, double. It was laughable, how bad it was. I shot a fucking 50 on the front. And honestly, like, I hit the ball really poorly. Like, I was, like, rattled. And you were destroying me, drubbing me as you keep using the words.

I couldn't get it all. I mean, the reason why is because it's so demoralizing playing that golf course. Because, like, the first couple holes, I felt like I was actually hitting pretty good drives. A couple of the holes, I actually was piping them, but like they were just missing on the right, or maybe I clipped the tree. And then like we were saying, you're done in the rough. But like on most golf courses, if you can just get the ball like out there off the tee, like, you can miss, like you're saying, maybe you miss on the right, maybe you miss on left, maybe you miss alone. But you can at least like knock it up there, make a two putt, make your bogey. And like,

we'll finish the front nine with a 45, 44, and let's move on. Like at wing foot, that 45, 44, It turns into a 50 in the blink of an eye because my chip, my third shot of the hole, which is supposed to be a chip like maybe 10 or 15 feet away from the hole, is going towards the hole and then it comes back down onto the fairway. Now I'm back to square one hitting four. And I have to try and get this next chip up onto the green. So it's like now I'm hitting five when it comes back to my feet again, or maybe it rolls off the back.

And now it's a seven. And obviously I'm not a good enough golfer to be playing that golf course in that condition. I'm just like that. If you want to talk about the handicap, please. If I played wing foot every single day, my handicap is a 250. I mean, there's no, there's no, I'll never finish around. I can't play with that type of rough. I just couldn't do it. I don't know if I have two weak of wrists or I don't know. I can't figure it out. So I entered the 41 I had on the front from the blues and it came in as a two index. So that's just outrageous on the front. That just shows you the challenge that it is. Like it is so difficult. We were playing with

the guy who won a fucking tournament on the PGA tour and you were going shot for shot with him on like three or four holes like driver to the same distance iron to fucking closer like I mean we're hitting irons closer to the pins than him and then you were like kind of knocking the putts around but like you were still making your pars and bogeys like he was just playing with us he is now like the head the player relations the player sort of liaison

for the USGA and he's an awesome guy We're going to have him on the show in the next couple weeks leading up to the open. What a cool guy. And watching him play, because, like, you know, you think, okay, he's got this new gig. So he's clearly not, like, out there competing and playing on tour. And so it's like, yeah, he'll be fine. And it's just, no, that's such another level. Like, on one, he clearly hit the worst drive he said all day, like way left into the trees and the rough.

I look up. He's got, like, 12 feet for Bertie makes it. You're just like, what the fuck is this? What are you doing? Like, why are you? It was almost like the magician was back. I was like, what are you? What was that?

Also, let's talk about the fact that we step up to the first T at Wingfoot and we're at Media Day and they have these USGA fucking T's. And I guess there was going to be from like, what is a quick, I don't know what the color was. Maybe like the greens. The white. So it's like the white. So it's like the white. So they have them set up at the white. We're like, oh, nice.

Like we won't play it that long. The wind's in our face. The wind was kind of gusting a little bit when we stepped up to the team. It's picking up on the putting range. And I was like, don't do that. If there's anything you don't do today, the wind, you don't pick. All of a sudden, this fucking guy. comes up, gore comes up, he's like, I'm going to hit from back.

I had my ball on the ground on the white tee. He goes, I'm going to hit from back here if you guys don't mind. And I'm like, well, now fuck you, man. I'm not like some old-ass man or like some, like, I don't have something wrong with me. I have to go back there now. I now, you are forcing us to now go to those back tees. I actually told him, like, I'm like, who the fuck are you think you are making me do this? And he, like, started cracking up.

He's like, I'm not fucking kidding. Like, we're here doing a video. I got to fucking beat this guy. now he gets the ball longer than me. I was so at a disadvantage. It was crazy. Yeah, it was fun to watch, and it was, you know, Lert played great, but I also think you weren't, you know,

you had to to post, like, if you played a little bit worse, I think your score would have been closer, Frankies, because it's just like, if you play it, you have to play great to even post a decent score. Like, if you were missing some of those fairways or missing a couple of those greens, like even the fifth hole was a great example, or no, what is it, maybe six. that short part four.

Yes. It was like, Lurge hit a great drive. Just up there, it's like 200 or around a 300 yard par four. Yeah. I did. I rolled through the green.

I made a 5 because it was right. Right. It was exactly. Like you were pinned high in 1 on a par 4, made a 5 and it wasn't like you had to make like a 2 or 3 footer for like the 5 because it's just so penal around the green. So watching it was cool. The video is going to be great.

There's a little bit of controversy with a weather situation after what. 13. Yes. We said it's most Frankie. Would be 99.5% mine like to win. And the only chance that he would have to not lose this golf match is lightning struck the golf course. And what happened?

Lightning struck the golf course and our match was over. Yeah. And a lot of people saying be a man, take that L. I took the L. I told him. I gave him a handshake. I took, I didn't take my hat up.

I said, we need to get pet. Like, let's keep the hats on, right? Like, let's just fucking have a. a handshake and let's go on with it. We took a handshake. I said, fucking, you drum. What is the word?

Droving. You drubbed me. I don't know. I never used that term my entire life. You drubbed me. I was down five with six to go. I was making a little joke. I'm making a little Frankie bit that like, technically you didn't beat me if this was like a U.S. amateur tournament or fucking the U.S. Open and they stop it. You can't just accept that as a win. You can't, you can't say, oh, he would have won. So that sucks. Like we were on the T that would have won you the match.

I am going to give you the victory, though, because you played phenomenally. It was fun to watch you play. And we made a bet prior to the fucking round that, I don't know why I just threw the word fucking in there. No, it was just lazy. Why do you do that, right? You know, like, why is that my filler word right there?

That's nuts. I got to be better at that, too. I think I'd just stay in as a filler word. We had this, like, eight-year-old come up to us. We're like, I'm a huge four-play fan yesterday. It's like, ah, well, it's like, tough. You're like, that's fucking, right? Yeah, don't listen to the dude wipes ads or anything.

Sometimes I do forget that we have listeners, as crazy as that sounds. Like, we just come in here two times a week, and we yell at each other for a couple hours, and I forget that there's people that listen into these conversations. So everyone knows that me and Lurch have our, you know, our differences when it comes to hockey, when it comes to the way we, like, present ourselves on the podcast and all these things. He likes to tell me I'm a little child.

I like to call him a big ogre, the whole thing. So obviously, like, you know, when it comes to 2K and this new fucking league I've started, which, by the way, it's coming. Well, now I'm getting a little animated. We're getting close to 30,000 society members on 2K, which at this point now, I think, like, I don't know, I don't want to do the math. I think we're like at $1.5 million worth of video games. Like, I was saying it the other day, like a free game on an app on your phone, you can get people to join that.

But, like, the fact that we have found a niche of, like, people that, spent this much money on a video game and all this stuff. Like, let's, that's nuts to me that there's that kind of fan base that wants to play in our virtual tournaments. Awesome. I built Nice Creek.

Took me two months to fucking build this place. I said another F-Bomb. Two months to build this place. Lurch thinks Poppy's, uh, Poppy's short picks are going to be, is a, poppies irons.

Poppy's irons is a better, is a better golf course in mind. He's trying to do the whole golf course. Link style golf course. And honestly, I didn't want it to be a part of our elite club. I said, I will let you have a major in our society if you beat me in this match, which is a big deal.

We can set a huge, we can get sponsors for that. We can, whatever. Like, it's a huge deal. We can set a huge prize. Maybe, like, a person plays with us. And, like, I don't know, like, we can set a huge prize for a major. It's going to be, like, there's going to be 20,000 entries into this thing. Whoever wins that thing is a huge deal.

I said, I'll give you a major on Poppy's Irons. The people won't be happy if it's not a good golf course, but I'll give you the major. Now we have to decide and we have to negotiate, like, since it wasn't an official win, but I am giving him the win morally and as a good guy, do we now give him the major? I don't know, but not really doing anything about it. Do we not give him the major and just give him a tournament? He can call it their lurchy loose picks open, whatever he wants to call it. Or do we just like let him act as though he won the official event?

Because everyone there, even the USGA that was there, Craig, was there, everyone. He's like, nope, that's not an official event. Like, it's a no contest. So here's what I'm going to say. First of all, we're talking about PGA Tour 2K21. When you game, you should go download, you should go buy, you should go play, join our society. It's the best game on the market. They just need to fix the servers because I think we crash them every single night. I think there's too many people playing it, which is a good problem. It's an awesome problem. You play in the tournaments.

I actually get jacked up for Frankie's tournaments now. I think weighing in on PGA 2K21, which you should go download and play and enjoy our society, I think that you should grant Lurch a regular tournament and see the feedback and have him for the regular tournament, put it on pretty standard conditions, and then see how it plays, see what people think, see how the scores come in, and see how it stands up as a tournament venue. and then you can have a further discussion, perhaps based on other things that happen on golf course, maybe a travel series, whatever, a match where Lurch's course can then prove that it's able to hold and host a major championship. I like that. Yeah. Because you can then beat me on the golf course again and then you get both of them.

You'd end up getting two and I get nothing. The funny part which we haven't talked about on this podcast is my side, if I won, you had to delete all the work that you put on top of his eye. No, no, no, no. I couldn't release it for a calendar year. Couldn't release it for a year. So on 2K21, the game couldn't come out. I mean, that might as well be forever. A year from now, who knows what the world's going to look like?

That game may not, that, that course may not even be able to be put into the other ones. So it's like, right. And that's such a, that's such a look into Frankie's, like, sadistic, like, brain that you have your back, your back, the backdrop on your computer is obviously, like, your least favorite team losing. And then the best thing, the best outcome for you was not you of any, anything. It was something bad.

Right. I won nothing. I mean, I guess I won something if I did win, but technically, no, it was all a bet for you. But you did play, you opened my eyes at that golf course. You showed up. You said that you thought you were going to be exposed at wing foot because everyone was sucking your penile after the Kisner event. And they were going fallacious town on you because you were hitting all these fucking. We just talked about an eight-year-old two seconds going.

But all I'm saying is that, like, did you not on the range be like, I think I'm going to be exposed at here because, like, I don't know how I'm going to play. And then you shot a 41 with a couple missed putts. You easily could have shot a 39 if you had, you know what I mean? Like you missed a couple. It was a couple bad reads here. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I had a bunch of three puts.

I hit the ball great. Like, I had the ball great. So you fucking just. You deserve. Double one and then made birdie on two and then was kind of like buzzing after that. Just made a bunch of good scores. You deserve to win something. I think we should have a big tournament.

You can name it whatever you want. We can make a little logo for it. The way you're talking about it is not even part of the Barstool group. Like you're like you're talking to this like upper echelon. Like you're the emperor of all things Barstool like golf related. So it's a little bit of a barsoil Golf Society power trip. He's making those greens a little rough. But that's, you know, that's all right.

It's not a power trip. It's just what I'm doing. I'm the one that's like I'm doing it. That's like, what are you talking about? I'm not going to hold your hands. I'm not going to hold your hand and teach you how to, like, build the golf. Like, I've been doing it for three months. It's not a power trip.

It's just what I am doing. I've been building Poppy's irons. But you said not to release it prior to yours. I've listened to your direction because you were so sensitive about it. And that's not being sensitive. You were trying. I built Knives Creek and I'm like, hey, man, I'm like taking a lot of time to release this. It was a, it was an ad deal with 2K.

We're trying to release it. The day it comes out. You said you wanted to release yours before mine. Just because you're going to put a half-bast product on it. Just like, you just like, you're losing the argument. Are you stand up? I said, don't just put out a shit product just to get it out before me.

Let's like try and make it look good. Making some assumptions then. Okay. Lurch, I don't know what you want for me. Go sell some drones or something. Like this is like I don't know what to tell you. Like this is crazy. It's like you can like you're complaining about like a that we all agreed upon.

That's nuts. What do we agree on? The release of the golf. Like we're talking about virtual golf. We're talking about virtual golf courses here. Let's get to our new topic. Architecture Wars. It's one of my favorite things on this podcast that's simmering right below the surface,

and I've said that before, where just like two guys making virtual golf courses, these two are ready to rip each other's throats out. Like he's selling your drones, let me make the golf course. Anybody wants a drone, please reach out. There you go. It's like, that's your thing. Like, I don't know.

I'm just trying to build golf courses over here. we have a heated, heated virtual off course architecture battle going on in the show. And it's, you know, it's interesting. I'm with Trent sitting back and just kind of observing it as it's fun. And yesterday at Wainthwood, it was a battle that was waged really to try to wipe Lurch's course off the map. I was afraid of his goal. He did not succeed. So we'll kind of see how it plays out.

We're going to move up. We've got a real golf course this weekend, a BMW championship just quickly, and then we're going to get to Sophia. We're going to talk a lot more about Winkwood. We get close to the tournament, to the championship, sorry. They correct me that a couple times at Media Day. Really?

Very excited for the tournament. And they said, Riggs, we don't do tournaments. We do championships. Woo! Yeah, strong language, which I appreciate it. And then they said, you know, we understand that some other organizations do their little tour. we do championships.

And I love that. I thought that was really cool. Yeah. Okay. BMW championship is this week, second round of the FedEx Cup playoffs. It's tough to really be like wing foot and then be like, oh, the BMW championship. But Tiger Woods is playing. It is a, you know, it's a FedEx Cup event.

It's a playoff event. People are playing for $15 million and the ridiculous scoring situation going into Eastlake next week. I think Tiger's got to finish tied for fourth or better in order to play next week. I don't really know if that matters because he, I mean, want him to be rested for the U.S. Open. We also want him to get his reps. So he's sort of in that, in that space. So pay attention to that. Tiger has to have a good finish.

Bryce D. Chambot with what I believe was a fake dog story. Is that a tripper or whatever the fuck the dog's name was? Trigger. Trigger. Trigger. Trigger the dog. He posts this thing about how it's great to be reunited where he won the U.S. Amateur. And with his dog.

When you call the dog? Tripper. Tripper. He just goes around tripping people. I don't fucking know. Trigger. The dog's name is Trigger. Well, somebody, I think, did just a quick little digging into the situation.

And the dog was born in 2017. So he just can't be reunited with a dog that didn't exist. So a tough little look for Bryce. The moral of the story for him right now, and it's been this way for what feels like months at this point, he can't get out of his own way. Like, I'm sure someone just asked him, like, will you take a picture with this? dog. Maybe they gave him some quick details. Bryson isn't paying attention to what dog was at the USM or what dog is there now. And he's just like, sure, I'll take this picture. And then this guy,

I wish I could think of his name on Twitter, did like a very quick dig and was like, this is a fake dog or he's using the fake dog. And it's just, it wasn't intentional as much as I would love to pile on Bryson that he was using a fake dog for likes and retweets. It's just he can't get out of his own way. This would only happen to Bryson D. Shambot in 2020 with everything that's going on in his life. Yeah, exactly. So it's just something to take note of. It's interesting. It's Bryson.

And then we've also got Phil Mickelson right now, I mean, on TV, is dominating his first ever start in a champions' tour event, senior tour. I don't know. They get like so offended when you say senior tour. Like, they're fucking seniors. That's just what they are. So Phil came out and shut 10 under the first round and then seven under the second round. 1700 through two rounds. Ozark National, which is in my home

state of Missouri, big cedar. They built a bunch of courses down there. There's a court Crenshaw, which I love Crenshaw Crenshaw courses. This place is supposed to be phenomenal. So the viewing and kind of checking it out and watching Phil be filled with his sunglasses against a much of old people is very, very funny. And also it's just cool because the course, it's playable.

It's more of like a resort course for people like Gus than it is for some of the best players in the world that are over 50 years old, seniors as something. make all them. So watching is, it's just been fun. It's been cool to see. And Phil's going to potentially win a tournament. So that's of note.

And other than that, before we get to Sophia, that's pretty much all I got. I hadn't thought about the Phil playing the senior tour all that much. But then now that he's playing it, you had to know that he was going to make it his mission to completely blow the field out of the water. Because if he played in this event and didn't win or got like tied for six place or something, People would be like, oh, well, he just belongs on the senior tour now. You had to know that his mindset going into it was, I got to win this thing potentially by double-digit strokes so people know that I still belong on the PJ tour.

I mean, I'm looking at the names down the leaderboard. I mean, you got Colin Montgomery, you got Fred Funk, you got Brad Faxon. Like, you just have the names of like that we grew up with. It's like, yeah, I mean, he's going to be a favorite in this thing. I mean, in third place, I think is KJ Choi. It's like, I mean, when you start thinking about it that way, it's like, yeah, I wish, you know, Lurchy's loose picks would have been good. to take Phil this week. But you know Phil

like went into it like I got to prove that I don't belong here. I belong on the younger tour. And that's what he's doing. He's lighting that place up. I love you call it the younger tour. I had the senior tour in my head and there's just young. It's the younger tour. Yeah. So good for Phil. I think you're right. It'd be cool if he came in one by 10 and then just never played the senior tour

ever again. Right. So good for Phil. Okay. We got like 45 minutes with Sophia Popov, who is the British Open Champion. Her story's really cool. We get to a lot of that. We also asked her what she's going to do, right? She's got $600-something,000 that she just won. She's gone from grinding, trying to make it on the LPGA tour.

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Sophia Popov is the 2020 AIG Women's Open Champ at Royal Trune. I imagine that's never going to get old to hear. No, I was thinking of actually changing my alarm in the morning to it. I mean, I had to just hear it every morning when I wake up. So you got the, I like the vibes. The vibes good. You're, I think you're in Germany. Is that right?

Your home country? Yep. I'm in Germany right now until Sunday. And then I head back to the States. We got like a little glass of wine here next to the trophy. Is that what I'm seeing? Wow, absolutely. I was going to put it in the trophy and then I was like, now I'll just wait and see what they say.

If you want to drink out of the trophy on our show, we're never going to be against that. Yeah, I know. I figured. So I was like, well, let me start drinking out of the glass. first and then eventually a portal in there. So how did, I mean, there's a ton I want to get into. Your story's amazing, the things that you've overcome from Lyme disease to cadding very recently to losing your car and all of a sudden you're the most recent major champ.

But I want to start with, like I said, you got the glass of wine, you got the trophy. What does like Sunday night and Monday look like for you because you sort of alluded to there were some rough days a few days ago? So what was a celebration like? Yeah, I mean, you know, I was on a podcast earlier when I was saying it, it probably wasn't quite my level of celebrating that I usually get into. But the only reason is because it was just very tough. Like media obviously did media for three hours after the win and that was more than I thought I had to do. And it just kept going, kept going.

And I was like, I just want to have a drink with my friends right now. and so I didn't get to the hotel until about 10.30 p.m., I think, but the moment I walked through the elevator doors, they popped a ball of champagne for me, and we had two of those, and I didn't have two of them. I had half of both of them. No. So that was pretty nice, but I also forgot to eat, which was great. It made me feel fantastic next morning. And so then Saturday morning, I fly out at 6 a.m. back to Germany. And then we continued celebrating here over dinner, but just obviously a lot of obligations that go with winning.

So kind of media from morning till evening right now, but, you know, just in between I'm celebrating. And just I hope no one notices. It's funny because I've heard that before from guys, girls, women, when you win something that you're so focused on the task, on winning, on, you know, trying to hit the fairway, trying to hit the right side of the green, try, you know, and then once that's over, you've always thought in your dreams, like, I'm going to celebrate, but then you're exhausted because, like you said, you've got there. So I feel like I've heard a lot of

people just be like, you know, actually, once everything was done, I just wanted to go to sleep. Well, it's actually really interesting because, you know, I mean, I've played professionally for six years now and every time, you know, when I go to bed and I have a dream and I picture myself winning a tournament, I think this comes from seeing other people win tournaments and they're kind of like pretty chill about it. And I just like dream of myself being on the green and just freaking flipping a shit, like just flipping out completely. But then I was so emotionally drained by the time I like hit my last pot that I was like, I've like got one more fist pump in me. And I think I'm just dead.

I'm just so tired right now. And so I think I always pictured that moment to be a little bit different in my head. But it was so much better when I was in that moment. And because it was just that, it was just very, very emotional. And then, yeah, I thought, honestly, I was going to be partying the whole night. But then I totally forgot that my flight goes out that early. And I was like, well, I don't want to be that person that's like throwing up all over the place before she gets in her and like I didn't be you know ridiculous about it so you know everything but again like you said

you're so tired you're like oh my god like how am i even gonna pack i am you know and then you got the text messages and you have you feel this obligation to text back people even though it's like 360 text messages and you're like it's like your birthday but on steroids like okay am i gonna like who do i who do i text back and you say well that's not fair if i'm gonna text that person And I'm going to take that for the back. So all I did was call my parents and just went to bed eventually at like 2 a.m. and woke up and kind of did the whole thing again on Monday. It was pretty crazy.

Did you do the like thing at all? Like if somebody said, hey, like Sophia, congrats. Did you just like? Yeah. Love. Yeah, right. Because like I was saying, I feel like I got slided a little bit because after JT won, like a month ago, I texted him like, Gray Win, brother, whatever, some like bullshit.

shit, yeah, it was it. And he just liked it. And I was like, I was like, I was like, I was he just trying to justify in your own mind there. Well, yeah, you're bragging about texting JT, and, but you found out during that brag that you guys aren't as good of friends as he thought. Right. That's right. Which is good. It's also cool that he got, that you texted him and, and, you know, I, you know, not me, but cool. I didn't, I didn't have the number. What do you want to try? I would have replied. So that's a difference between a major. I, your winner on the women's side and on the men's side. The women, they text back. They're really nice about it. The guys are just like school for school, like. On to the next one. So let's go back,

you know, you're from Germany. You played college golf at USC. You guys won a national championship. Let's kind of go through the story a little bit. How did you end up, you know, deciding to come to the states and go to USC and what was that experience like coming from Europe? So I think my mom went to school on the West Coast. She actually swam for Stanford. So we kind of had that little, I guess, college connection there. And then both of my brothers actually finished high school in the States and went to University of Arizona. My middle brother, he swam at U of A and the other one managed the swim team.

So they kind of went, you know, everyone was kind of on the West Coast. My mom went to school there. So when I was looking into colleges, I knew from when I was about 14. 15 years old, I wanted to go to college because just turning pro out of high school was not an option for me. I always wanted to get my education first because I figured everyone said it's like the coolest four years of your life. So I figured I had to at least try. And so I looked into schools, but then I think when they started recruiting me in 08, like 07-08, that was about my sophomore junior year of high school. It was mainly, it was a, I looked into all the West Coast school. So it turned

to all of the California school, Arizona, Oregon. And I eventually went on recruiting trips to almost all of them. And I mean, this is a great story. And my college coach, she loves to tell this because she thinks she just made the move of the century. But she basically, when I went on my recruiting trip, Mark Sanchez was still our quarterback. And she took me on the football field and she was like, oh, my God, I know what kind of

person she is. Like she's probably, she loves sports. She's probably going to want to get to know this guy. and so I went on the football field and he came up and he said hi and I was already like flashed and I was like oh my god this amazing and then he threw the football with me for about 20 minutes and just like asked me all these questions and I'm like I'm just this little like 16 year old girl from Germany who even cares and he's just like he took time and and and you know it was I mean I would say it was at least 20 minutes of just throwing the ball asking me questions kind of what do I want to do etc and I thought

that was the coolest thing ever and I was like coach where can I sign like I'm going to come now and then he left awesome that was pretty cool and Matt Barkley had to take over but I think that's how I pretty much made my decision to go there and they had the number one golf program in the country at that point so that was pretty cool and um and I you know LA you're not gonna you're not got to pass up on LA and just try it out it's it was awesome for the four years don't don't regret any decision I made there. And yeah, just crazy.

I'm always curious, like, was there a culture shock coming over to America, coming over to the States, or were you pretty used to it? I think, you know,

not too bad just from the fact that my mom's American and I kind of, I used to come back to Boston. I was born in Boston, actually, or just outside.

And we used to come back every summer until I was about, you know, 13, 14 years old. And I think, I kind of, I was familiar with the culture over here and I visited my brothers a couple times and but it was definitely different in a sense that, you know, it's a big city. Yeah, you're low key in the

ghetto, you know, it's like you kind of have to stay safe. Germany is different. You, from when I was, I don't know, seven years old, my mom just said, see you later and I took the bus to school or the train to school and it's kind of a small town feeling over here more than is. And then you get there and you're kind of like, well, I can't get in a bus because, you know, it's like this big world kind of you're going into and you have to find out, you have to, you know, find your way around and all that stuff. But I think I adapted really quickly. I made a bunch of friends and, you know, I loved it and what's there not to love when you

have like five days of rain a year. That's kind of nice. That was different. So then, you know, you guys win the national championship. you have a great amateur experience, college experience, you turn pro. Talk about the sort of the road from, you know, turning pro to, let's say, 2019, where I think a lot of people are kind of familiar with your story now. Yeah, so I turned pro in 2014, and I immediately got my LPGA and European Tour card at the end

of the year, and, you know, everything was going just as I think. thought it was going kind of as planned. Everyone expected that, including myself. And then at beginning of 2015, I started struggling with a bunch of health issues, including just like extreme fatigue. First, we thought it was just, you know, mono or something. Then I got these, like, stomach issues where I couldn't keep any food down. I lost like, I think maybe 20 pounds, 25 pounds that year and I wasn't a heavy person to begin with so or like I was I was pretty small anyway so I was just really small then and um just kind of from hospital to hospital jumping around trying to figure out what was going on had a couple surgeries I think two in 2015 another one in 17 and then

a colonoscopy a year later I think but it was just it took so long um I think just because the symptoms for Lyme disease are so not vague, but they're not, it's kind of, you know, I guess they call like the silent killer because it's not easy to identify because you say, okay, I have tingling in my hands, my feet, like I can't feel my feet at night. Sometimes I'm trying to grip the club and I can't apply any pressure and like weird things where a lot of doctors immediately said, oh, it's the stress of playing golf professionally. And I was like, nah, I know what pressure on the golf course looks like since I was about 12 years old, and I didn't feel in my hands. Like, it's just not happening.

So it was just weird. And then, you know, it was like headaches, like incredible headaches to the point where I couldn't even. It was like kind of a migraine, but it wasn't categorized as a migraine, but I was just like laying around and couldn't do anything and stuff like that. So it just took until the end of 2017 to finally diagnose it as Lyme. And that was a total game changer because then I did my own personal research. I started changing my dietary habits, like really, like really extreme from one day to the next. I went on like a raw diet for three weeks.

Then I slowly added certain things again. And it was just kind of, it was kind of brutal. But at the same time, like, an, like great kind of journey for me that I went through. through kind of the beginning of 2018 to kind of regain all my energy, my weight, and kind of get back to where I was before and try to battle back as far as my golf game goes. So, I mean, that's, that's crazy that you got to go through that. I mean, it's, what is it like now? What's the status like now with your health and how it affects everything?

Yeah, I mean, now I'm doing a lot better. Obviously, I worked on it a lot during quarantine. I was super, super strict during that time. I did a lot of, I worked out a lot and, you know, just trying to get my energy back for, because I knew once we start up, it's going to be a lot of playing. I honestly didn't expect this much playing because I just, like,

happen to qualify myself into the British, like a week before. So it was more, more playing than I anticipated. So, of course, I'm doing a lot better now, but I just have to, you know, as much as I like to have a drink or two, two to celebrate. You know, I know I'm going to have to go home and basically no drinking, no sugar for two weeks just to get ready for Portland and KPMG and everything that's to come.

But yeah, you know, I mean, I think it's a mix of that and just the mental, emotional drain from, you know, playing on LPGA, going back to Symmetra, back on LPGA, back on Metro back on LPGA kind of like flipping back between the tours and now finally you know rewarding myself with just full status for the rest of the year next year so i mean insane story and we're not even to the best part yet so trance ears perked up by the way when you said the no sugar part of the diet yeah i mean i i i'm addicted to sugar everybody knows that sophia doesn't know but i am i have i'm trying to kick it right now and it's it's again it's not as serious as lime disease it's not even close to that. I'm just an idiot who can't eat Sour Patch kids at 11 p.m.

But like, you know, in that respect, I completely relate to you, Sophia. It is the hardest thing ever. The only time when it starts getting easier is if you haven't done it for about three weeks and then you're like, okay, I'm starting to get the hang of this. And then I, at the beginning of the open week, I had a poke, which I honestly haven't had soda a long time. But European Coke, I don't know about you all, but it tastes better than the States. Really? Kind of like. Yeah, it's honestly, it's like, you know, the bottled Coke that you can get, like the Mexican?

Yes. Yep. Santa Claus Coke. Yeah, that's just like spot on. So I had one of those. I'm not really sure why. And then after that, I was like, oh, my God. I want one every night at dinner.

It was really hard. But it was, I don't know, I guess it was somehow a recipe for success, too. You are speaking to Trent right now. Yeah, now you're going to have to drink a Coke every before. tournament so you can win. I mean, the Coca-Cola when it hits right is the best drink in the world. It goes bottled. It goes bottled Coke and then it goes the Coke from McDonald's. I don't know why McDonald's has a better cook than everyone else, but when you get a large Coke with like a burger and fries, it tastes so much better than any other place. It's crazy.

Because you care it with the burger and the fries. I think that does it. True. It's pretty good. I mean, we've got to stop talking about this because I'm three days in and I'm like, I'm in the thrall of it. I'm just shaking. His legs are turning right now. I'm just, I'm getting way. are crashing into me and I just I can't handle it shivering. So let's talk about a couple of the bullet points that everybody's throwing out, you know, the losing your status, I think you were, what, one shot away from having status. Is that right? Yeah, like a six-footer away.

It's six-footer away. Yeah, six-footer away. When you came in, I think you were 304th in the world coming into the week. You had finished tied for ninth, and I think it was the second Ohio event to actually get you into the British. So going into the tournament, what are your expectations? Royal Truman is playing. The weather was going to be difficult for a few days, incredibly miserable weather. What were your expectations going in?

Yeah, it was really funny, actually. I just talked to my coach, like a couple of minutes. minutes ago. He's actually in Chicago with some of his guys right now. And he sent me a screenshot of the text that I was sending to him, like right before the tournament started. And it was really funny. And I'm just like looking at it. And he goes, he's like, how are the, how are the preps going? And I said, so far so good. I honestly don't mind the tough conditions. And then I said, and I go at dot, dot, dot, tough for sure, but true British Open. And he said, so close. cool, get some rest, have a blast tomorrow. And those were like the last words before I went out.

And I think that's how I approached the whole thing because honestly, my expectation levels were not high just having flown in on Tuesday, played one practice around on Wednesday. I'm kind of jet lagged. So I'm thinking, let's just see how this goes. But at the same time, I knew my game is in a really good spot. We were on the range. We were hitting a couple different shots and everything, every shot that I was trying to hit, I was able to hit. So I said, there's really no reason for us to not play well this week. We just have to pick the right clubs and pick the right spots to hit because that was key in the first two days. I think those two, as much as people say, like, my weekend golf was like incredible or was the deciding factor,

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in? So growing up in Germany, we, I played, I've been playing for the national team since I was about 13 years old. And we, I played the German, the British girls and the British Am, I've probably combined maybe 10 times. And so I played a lot of Link's. We've got, I played the British Open 2011 as an amateur. So I've played a lot of links golf.

And I've honestly, I've gone on a trip with my dad just to Ireland. Like who does that? But like I did that with him for his birthday and it was the coolest week of my life. It was like not a tournament, nothing. We just played like six courses and seven courses in seven days. And I just remember I just loved it so much because on the really crappy days like my dad would be like come on it's raining sideways and I would be like yes let's go and just let's try to shoot as as good of a score as we can today and this is awesome like let's see if we

can keep it under 80 this is this is amazing and he would always be like what the heck is she talking about like this is just frigging weird but um that's that's how I felt going the first two rounds like my boyfriend and I he said he said you know let's just be creative let's just see what happens let's go out there and have a lot of fun. I mean, how cool is it to start your ball, like 40 yards right of the green? And it just like falls in from the right. And it's just, I don't know, it might be a little weird, but we thought it's cool. But that is the attitude you have to have, right? Right. So many people have been adverse to links golf or they bitch about it. They don't like to be, you know, not in full control. And here you are. I feel like Danielle Kang had kind

of similar comments before the tournament started of like, no, you just have to embrace it. And And I think it was, I was Paige McKenzie. I was watching on Morning Drive, who she was like, I admittedly sucked at the mental approach to Link's God. She's like, I didn't like that I couldn't control everything. And hearing you talk about that, and even like the text that you got gave me kind of chills before, but hearing you talk about that, it seems much more obvious that you had a great week because you're sort of, I mean, if you're going on trips with your dad to Ireland,

you're clearly into that kind of thing and embracing it while even like your father is like this weather sucks. this is awesome. Clearly, I get you an advantage. Yeah, I mean, I can't say I love cold weather, but like if I know in advance and I can prepare, I'm cool with it. And I just, you know, I everyone was like, how are you even wearing shorts that first day? And I said, if I'm warm, like if I'm layered up at top and I have my beanie on, if my ears are warm, I'm cool. Like, I can be wearing shorts and a T-shirt, but I'm going to be fine. And I think it's just because I didn't even care. I was like, let's just, let's just see how things go.

and I don't know. It's a weird, it's a weird feeling, but I like it. You were, I keep seeing this everywhere. I don't know all the details. You were recently a caddied for someone else in a tournament. Is that right? Yeah, so three weeks ago, I mean, it must be three weeks ago, I guess. I don't know if you guys know Ann Van Dam.

She's a player, so she's my best friend. And we were kind of, we were trying to match up our schedules. And I said, well, I'm playing some. Symmetra the week before Inverness, which is the first Toledo event. And then, but I got into marathon. So I have this week off in between while you're playing Inverness and she and I said, I don't know, I mean, why don't I just like caddy for you? Because I don't know what else to do that week. And she said, oh my God, that would be amazing. Like if it, if that works out, that would be awesome. And since I was a Symmetra tour member and not an LPGA member, I was allowed to caddy for her.

because an LPGA player can caddy for an LPGA player. So we said, all right, let's do it. And, I mean, we had, like, the coolest week. We had so much fun. She played well that week. I think she came in, like, T-E-11, and it's just fun to caddy for someone like that because she hits it a mile.

And I just love her game. And I think there's so much that I learned that week about how to look at a course from a caddy perspective instead of a player perspective, at the following week going into marathon, I was like, well, I know my game's pretty good. Maybe I should treat myself more from a caddy perspective on the course than I do myself as a player.

Like, you know, I kept telling Ann, just hit it to 15 feet all day and just give yourself chances and you'll make some putts. But I would never say that to myself. To myself, I'm always like, just go at it. You have to hit it close. If you don't hit it close, like, game over. Like that's how, so I said, like, why do I treat her differently when I'm caddying for her as opposed to myself when I'm playing? It doesn't make any sense. So I think that was really cool for me

to take that into the week of marathon and then, and then I want, and then I, and I, and I, qualified for the British and I was in the scoring area and Ann calls me on FaceTime. She goes, she just yells into the phone. She goes, you qualified for the British. And then I'm like, what? Like, I didn't even know that. I didn't even know. It wasn't even on my radar or nothing. And she goes, and I said, what? What do you mean? And she's like, yeah, the top 10 not already qualified are going to the British. And I was like, oh, my God. And then it was just, it's just crazy. And now we get to travel together for the rest of the year, which is awesome. What a name too, Ann Van Dam. Maybe one of the all-time sports names.

Yeah. Right. And then what I was thinking when you were telling all that, because that's an incredible story. Is there a part of you that's almost like, like, not pissed off, but like the storyline about you being a caddy winning the open? It's kind of like misconstrued, right? Like you read this. It's like from caddy to champion. It's like, well, like you kind of just like had a week off and like went with your like your body. Like, you know what I mean? Oh, I know.

I was actually a little bit annoyed about that. Not for the reason of like if someone had correctly written about it the way it was. that was fine by me but a lot of people wrote about it like I was cadding all year last year and then I saw playing and now I won the British like no that's not true like I've been playing the whole time I just happened to be able to caddy that one week and it's because I was like I was carrying her staff bag all week and I think it was people were like how are you doing that right now like that's just it was pouring rain and they were like this is exhausting why are you why are you doing this And I said, I think it's cool when I'm having a good time and I'm fine physically.

So I think people were just kind of took it into a whole, like a little bit. I don't know. Like you said, they kind of said, oh, she went from Caddy to winning the British Open. Instead of being like, no, she was working hard and playing herself and just catty one week. Right. It came across a little bit wrong, I think. but I mean either way I mean it's true that I did catty three weeks ago I don't really know what to say about that yeah because even when we read the headline at first and like we saw it

we saw it happening and then riggs had brought it up like oh yeah she was catting last three weeks ago i was like oh man that's like the greatest game ever played like the movie with shy la buff like all of a sudden this person that's not supposed to be there wins the british like oh my god and then now you hear the breakdown and you've been grinding at this and you just deserve all the accolades and you've been practicing and you've been going there with your dad and all the stuff like so it's it's much more of a you know like a coming of like everything that you've worked for as opposed to like oh it's just a lucky week that the caddy we let in won the british won the british yeah no and i think i think the other thing is you know people think i mean

and it's true like the whole she came out of nowhere scenario i i do agree that i was probably on no one's radar. At the same time, you know, I've, I've had a, like, I've had a, like, I've had pop finishes at LPJ events. Like I came in 13th. I've come in 17th. I've not, you know, I haven't not been there the last few years. It's just that I've always been kind of right around that keeping your card, like right around the top 100 in the money list. So it's just been like, I played, I dropped out. I played, I dropped out. So it's just been in a battle just to keep my status over the years. And I think, and a lot of that came from, from a lot of the health stuff I was going through because I would have to cancel events and stuff like that. But, um, so it's for me,

I guess, personally, it's tough to hear like, oh, she's this nobody that came out of nowhere because I feel I have been around and the girls that are there, they do know me. It's just that that the, I did go from no status this year to, to qualifying through a marathon to winning, which is like a crazy, I guess, you know, crazy three events in a row that no one thought was going to ever happen. That I agree with for sure. And then, but I would, I would love to think I have been around for a while. I can't imagine how hard it is to keep status. I mean, we just played wing foot yesterday.

Golf is so fucking hard. I can't imagine being able to play and, like, compete and be that consistent. It's got to be the most grueling, impossible thing of all the time. Yeah, it's just, you know, golf's impossible. And then you have bad conditions, like, and you're on the wrong side of the draw, like, and you think as a golfer usually things are going against you. And then, like, on number seven on Sunday, I hit my drive just, like, pure down the middle, and I'm in a divot.

And I'm like, really, come on, you know, does it, does anyone ever make this any easier for you? Or is it just like, well, we're going to throw all these obstacles away in your way, then you're just going to have to figure it out. If you do, I mean, amazing. Yeah, you win this. But if you don't, like, if you don't, you're part of the 99.9% that didn't, which is just crazy. I think it also speaks to, I mean, like,

you've been there for so long. And, yeah, with the health concerns that you went through. And then, like, if you play a stretch of hot golf, like, everybody even in this room to a much lesser extent, like, it's been like, oh, man, like, I get golf now. And then it completely falls apart. but like for you you obviously on like a hot stretch of golf and just like in a good mental space and hitting the ball well and so when you're up at that upper echelon like you have the ability to do it and it's

I mean yeah it's not the rags to riches story it's pretty much just exactly how frankie put it of like a coming to age and just yeah you put in the time grinded it out or like freed yourself up because I think if you don't accept the rain or like don't accept that it's there and almost enjoy it and embrace it you've already lost the golf tournament. So, I mean, I think that you have that just like in you. And congrats to you. And I love that the trophy just will not move from the fame. Pointing to the trophy and just being like, no, if it goes well, you just win this thing that is that I never leave out of my sight. And when I leave the house, I'm like, do I leave it here or do I take it with me?

In our world, you win something that looks like this. It says that's the best thing we got right there. I'll just hold this next to me. I can fit in right with you. Leave it out of your sight. At what point in the week did it change from, you know, I'm playing good golf. I'm focusing to like, oh shit, I'm like doing the thing. It's like, no, this is the thing where I could actually do it. So I think Saturday's round to me is probably, it's weird.

pressure probably one of the most solid rounds I've ever played. And then after Sunday, I would say the same thing about Sunday. But Saturday to me was like the kind of, all right, you know, on number four, when I hit driver off the deck and made Eagle. And I was like, this just, this doesn't happen in a week that's not your week. Like you, there are too many things that are happening right now where I'm going all these, I made a bunch of like like really good up and downs and stuff like that. I said, this is just, it has to be, this has to be kind of a sign. So I started, that's where I started believing in, I think I'm supposed, I'm definitely supposed to be leading this event right now. I'm playing really, really good golf. And then Sunday,

I think, you know, after I, I made a part pot on 11 that was about like a seven foot or eight footer, I think was probably the most important pot of my round because that was kind of where, for me the momentum shifted in a way where I was like, all right, it's almost like I can't, I can't do anything wrong. I'm just keep doing your thing. You're hitting it well. You're putting well. So just relax because you have a lead. So you're just and just keep going. Like just head on to the metal kind of don't, don't shy away from something because you really belong here. So then 15, 16, when I made the birdies, it was kind of like reinforcement to me. Like, yeah, I, I, I obviously this is my week and no one's going to take this away from me.

And then I could kind of start, start actually enjoying it because, you know, of course you're kind of enjoying it. Everyone's like, oh, go out there and just have so much fun. And like the first 14 goals are pure misery because you're like so nervous and you're like, every shot is just count so much. And then the last, I think, well, obviously the walk down 18 and me was super relaxed and And finally things kind of not super relaxed. That's a totally wrong word.

It was kind of kind of like just emotionally everything kind of came, I don't know, just all the pressure that have built up just kind of being released. And I think I'm okay now. And I was talking about some freaking scenery around. I don't even know I was doing that. But it was in German. I'm like so glad that no one's. I was like talking about the mountains and the like the clouds covering the mountains and my boyfriend's like what the fuck it's going on like he's like why are you talking about the mountains and the clouds because in about t minus five minutes you're winning a major

and I'm just trying to distract myself right now yeah speak two languages like this like do you think in German and like when you're like you're mentally thinking all the time in German no um I think in English when I speak English and I think in German I speak German. I mean, yeah, I mean you don't know Frankie Braille that well I'm amazed by it as well but this is going to drive Frankie crazy. I always think about that because like if you're like a native German speaker and then like you see something like oh look at that color on that wall are you immediately thinking just like off the back of your head that in

German but then if you're in an English speaking setting do you have to then immediately switch to being like oh look at the color on that wall. like that blows my mind to be able to turn that on and off well i think it's just for me so i mean that's how i grew up speaking speaking both languages like mom speaks english dad speaks german and and and everything so i think and i went to to an international school where it's funny my best friend and i went to school for 12 years and we have like a language that we call jinglish just because you speak german and english and we mix it and match it like we do whatever where you want with it.

Like half the sentences in English, half is in German, and I dream in German sometimes and sometimes in English because I talk. So, and then it's a little cray cray sometimes,

but yeah, it's just, I don't know, sometimes I'll speak a language with my mom. My mom speaks both too, and I speak something with her, and I can't remember which one I say,

spoke because someone will be like wait you just switch languages and I said no yes I can't remember so it's a little bit weird do you like do you uh if you're gonna if you're gonna say some some fucked up shit are you like when you're around like English people or do you just go straight German and you know you can get away with it well it depends on the setting are we talking about him on the golf course and if the camera's around, I'm going to get fine. Or I guess like, yeah, I guess like do you, for me, right, like if I'm going to, if I'm frustrated or anger or something just drives me to say bad stuff that I shouldn't say, I don't have a choice. Like, I's just going to come out in English. Everyone's going to know what I said.

Yeah. I feel like I've, you know, if I watch like Sergio even or something like Span, he'll say some shit. I'm like, that was bad. I don't know what it was, but he said, he's mad person and he said bad stuff. Yeah, I say it in German. I don't, it really depends on the situation. Like if I'm with my friends and we're just at the bar and we're having a good time, I'll say all that stuff in English. But when I'm like on the golf course and I'm mad, it's always, it's pretty much always German.

Like I think I've actually worked a lot on that just to not get mad. But when I do, I have like my three or four things that I say in German and everyone always starts laughing because it's like, usually I say something like God Sophia like what the heck are you doing and I'll say that in German though because I kind of even though that would be fine in English but it's just so I'm so used to doing that I'm so used to saying what the F like in German like that's how I grew up so I'll say like I'll miss a pot and that's and I'll do that which is great because when you're on camera and they catch you obviously saying throwing a couple of f-bombes that's obviously not great for your image and your bank account.

So you kind of have to be careful. So I'm glad I kind of default to German because it kind of, you know, I can get away with it, I guess. Although, you know, there are certain things that people just know in German. I mean, everyone knows, like, chises. Like, everyone knows that's, you know, it's not that far away from shit. So it's, but stuff like that, people can kind of tell. And they're like, yeah, this is definitely like,

hardcore swearing right now, but I guess... That was going to be my question was, can the LPGA tour find you for swearing if it's in German? I don't think so, but don't quote me on that, and I probably should not try it out either, because they haven't caught me yet, so... That's so American in the sense of just like, we know what it means, but we're just like lazy, I guess, enough

that we're not going to find you. It's like pathetic on 10 different levels, which I love. I know. Okay, because we'll just forget about that you said it because it's kind of different. So we'll just, it's just ridiculous because we're doing the same thing. Right. And instead of like, you have JT and he's just like, what do you say when he missed that like 10 footer? He said like, you got to be fucking kidding me or something.

Yeah, exactly. And he didn't even care at all. He was like, yep, I'm going to do it. And it's going to be really clear and really loud. I love that. Yeah, we had. old man golf media did not like that he did that and uh which is preposterous it's like we need to see more candidness out there from the professional players and that you guys are real people and less

of like the buttoned up image protecting so it's nice it's cool to like just hear a very real raw like oh no this is how i kind of do it and handle it uh you are you feeling like now going into you know the rest of the schedule for the year that you've got your playing with house money a little bit A little, you know, it's kind of just a little, it's definitely freeing in that sense that I just kind of, I can go out and play. I'm not really, I'm not really worried financially what's going on. It's a little weird. I'm not going to lie. I don't know. It's, you know, it's very hard to say. I have a feeling my personality is the kind that once I get out there and I'm playing, I'm going to be just as intense and, wanting to win as much as I did before I had any money. Like I don't think money is going to change my mentality on the golf course. It might free me up a little bit, but I'd never really thought about it that much anyways. I always, also when I was walking down the 18th Fairway, I was like, I never thought about,

oh my God, I'm $675,000 richer. I was more like, this is the British Open. It was not the money. So yes, it helps 100% And I'd be totally lying if I said I didn't love the fact that that came with it But it's still I still think I'm going to have the same approach

And the same mentality going in through the rest of the season Because I don't think that just changes overnight Or over the next three weeks. You're going to splurge? You're going to buy anything crazy with this? I'm going to go ham on everything, boats And boats. Boats.

Boats and like all people can think about is yeah maybe a dingy like you can't afford That's I mean that's a lot of money though you can buy something Yeah no I definitely for sure I think I'm actually I've been looking into buying a place So which would be probably the first thing I'm looking at And I really and I got into kind of triathlon training She's been doing triathons for a little bit and I'm kind of starting to train with her a little bit So I'm looking into a road bike, good road bikes that I realize are really expensive. So something like that, I'm kind of more, I'm a very, I just, I serve, so I want to get a new surfboard.

Stuff like that. I'm so, I'm really excited for that because I can finally just, oh my God, I can get a new wetsuit and a surfboard and like stuff like that. It's like so things other people probably wouldn't be. It's just a full-life upgrade of all of this stuff. Yeah. Like new skis, new everything I do, like recreationally, I'm going to upgrade. What distant try are you going for? I'm going to go.

So Ann's been doing, Ann Van Dam's been doing like, it's a 500-meter swim, I think a 40K bike and a 5K run. Okay. Yeah, I've actually done those distances. They're fun. They're fun, right? No, I'm not. I'm not a tri-person at all. When you said, hold on, hold on.

They label me, what's that big horse? They label me as not a thoroughbred. Secretary? No, I think it's thoroughbreds. They say the thoroughbreds, they're fast to go off, and you have to be 225 pounds or heavier. And so then they just put all the fat people on the back, but they're like strip triathlons.

And you're done like in an hour and a half, two hours. Can you take us back here about this? What's going on? Well, when he, I didn't know what he said when he said, what distance try are you doing? I was afraid that she wasn't going to understand the question because I didn't know anybody knew what that meant, but I guess that's the triathlon community.

Well, I wouldn't call us, or at least I'm not the triathlon. Acting like he's in the triathlon community. Are you fucking kidding me? Like, I went down to this guy. Athletes over here, you know? I just athletes. He also, he made like a noise when she's like, yeah, the road bikes are really expensive.

He was like, oh, yeah, no, like he, to a lesser extent I bought a road bike it's on the cheaper side than probably you're looking at but you know I did this you know maybe I did you ever ride it? You ever ride it? I wrote it the other day okay. Went 16 miles the other day. 16 what?

Did you call the ameth and tell them where you were thinking about finishing? No. Follow me please because I might break up. So Sophia when are we going to see it when are you playing again? see you out there in action. Portland can be a classic in three weeks. Oh,

no, someone's knocking on the door. It's cool. Right, good times. More media. You got more media. They're knocking you on your door. I know. I'm like, someone's ringing the doorbell.

Like, I don't hear that sound ever anymore. I don't know. I feel like people in the States don't do that. And I like ring the doorbell? When was the last time I heard a doorbell? I couldn't tell you. No, it's weird. I feel like people knock it on.

There's that... There's that I love the Italian guy, Sebastian Manuscalco. He tells a very funny joke about, like, back in the day, like, ringing on doorbells and knocking was, like, a thing you would do, like, your parents' generation. You'd, like, just go over and walk into the house. And he's like, nowadays, like, you hear a doorbell or ringing. He's like, he does the whole thing where they're all sitting down watching TV

and they hear the knock and everyone gets down on the ground. And he's like, turn the lights off. Turn the lights off. Go get the bat. Get the fucking sword. Like, who the fuck is coming over? Who's knocking on our door? Like, looking out the window, seeing who is it?

What is it? What are they wearing? So true, though. No one does that anymore. What are you insane? You don't go to people's houses like that. No, it's like, you know it's like an official thing. I think it's an official thing.

It's like someone's coming by because they need something and it's really important. And it kind of scares me. So I'm like, I look through the window and I check who it is. And then I go, no. Exactly. Well, look, we were following your story. It was infectious. It was fun to watch.

This was a blast to hear all about it. And you, I think you totally twisted Frankie's brain into knots with the whole two languages and you're thinking and you're talking, which is great. He's not going to recover from that. But we've got to do this again sometime. And congratulations. It was awesome to watch. much. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you having me on and yeah, hopefully we can do this again sometime soon. For sure. Good luck the rest of the way. Good luck. Congratulations. Yep.