Fore Play - The Announcement: Dan Rapaport Joins Barstool Sports

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

Dan Rapaport joins Fore Play full-time. Huge day. Huge show. We’ve got Riggs, Trent, Frankie, Lurch, and, yes, Barstool’s newest hire, Dan Rapaport on the show. We discuss Dan’s move from Golf Digest to Barstool, going from Big J to the Pirate Ship, and how the process unfolded. We also discuss Lurch’s role moving forward. In golf news, Rory wins the Tour Championship, LIV movements are upon us, House of the Dragon episode 2 is out, the Manti Te’o documentary blew us all away, and Riggs believes waiting in line simply shouldn’t be a thing.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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Really in the history of the podcast, we are joined by the usual crew. We have myself, Trent Ryan, who's the OG. Frankie Borelli. We got Lurch and we have added Dan Rappaport. The announcement came out just 30 minutes ago. So I think it's still pretty fresh. Obviously we've known about it. There's a whole fucking process. The whole deal will get into it. We're going to talk about all of it. It's a very big decision for Danny, for his career to sort of pivot over to the pirate ship from traditional media. A massive curveball, I would imagine to everyone out there that we went out and hired someone that is essentially viewed as a young golf journalist and writer to join our operation.

So again, we're going to get into all of it. I have all my opinions and excitement. Everyone in the show does. I do feel like we should start by throwing it to Danny, who from your vantage point, I would love to hear about what your last 30 minutes has been like, what your last 30 days has been like. It's just kind of where your mindset's at now that you are officially a part of foreplay and barstool sports. Yeah, I was just telling you guys before we started recording that I feel like I'm at the part of the party where you just kind of need to go out and have a cigarette by yourself. To go straight from the announcement video right into this podcast, definitely a lot.

I'm definitely yearning for some alone time. No, it's, it's amazing. It's great. My future mother-in-law is staying here this week. And she's like, well, what's your schedule this morning? I'm like, you need to be out of the apartment by 10 a.m. She's like, oh, what time are you recording? I'm like, 10.30.

She's like, well, what do you? I'm like, you don't understand. hand, like my phone's about to be complete blow up. I'm not going to be able to talk to you. I don't want to talk to you. It's been, it's been amazing. I actually felt like for the last two years, like I hadn't and you guys could talk to my friends for for validation here. Like, I've said multiple times, like I see a scenario in which I end up there. This has been something that I've sort of eyed for a while. And then Riggs, as soon as we started talking at the US Open, I mean, I don't know, maybe I kind of tried to play hard to get, probably didn't do a very good job.

it was probably like, oh, yep, this is going to happen. The first, the first conversation that we had, I kind of knew. So, and then this weekend, talk to Riggs about going quiet for a little bit, not tweeting. One of the hardest thing. I was texting Riggs yesterday. I was like, I am sitting on so many witty tweets right now that would just absolutely explode. But yeah, no, it's, it's cool. It's real.

I was just feeding you too. I was like, what do you think about, what do you think about this move is Cam Smith? And you're just like, fuck you. Briggs is like taking his tweets. He's like all the drama, all the drama, you know, don't, don't, don't, don't, you have takes on the drama. I'm like, stop it, Riggs. Uh, yeah, no, it's, look, for us, it's weird because it's not weird. It's just different because we, we've never done anything like this before. We've never hired someone really intentionally or from the outside. We kind of,

uh, it happened organically, if you will. We were the guys at barstool who were into golf. Trent and I did a couple weeks ago, an entire trip down memory lane, but we basically were the two guys that liked golf. Everyone was starting a golf, or a podcast. So we were like, why don't we start a golf podcast. Frankie ended up doing a few shows and he joined full time. Lurch ended up playing a bunch of golf with us. So he joined and it all kind of just happened more naturally, I would say, than then we went out and actually acquired someone. We did the show with you at the U.S. Open, which a bunch of stuff came together that week. But we recorded it on Wednesday. We were standing outside in the kind of player caddy area. People were walking by. It was a very natural like podcast, the way that

we do it, almost like our lobby podcast, where all kinds of stuff was going on. Do we jumped in and you were a part of it. And I think afterwards, we all very much were just like, well, that was really natural. What do we, like, can we, can we hire people? How does that work? And we kind of just started the process. And so, yeah, so since pretty much the U.S. Open, we've been eye on this. We've been going back and forth.

You and I had a lot of good conversations, long conversations about, you know, the, the move for you, right? Like, for me, I started reading Barstool in 2008. I was working a sales job, working at Barstool versus literally, any other path I could have imagined was just the biggest no-brainer. I learned a lot in talking to you about, you know, for someone that has pursued the career that you've pursued and made the, the leaps that you've,

that you've made that had the success that you've had, Tiger Woods calls you D, the whole fucking deal to then pivot from that and be like, I'm going to join Barstool Sports. For you, that's a, I mean, that's a huge career move.

Huge career move. Like I was doing exactly. what I wanted to do since I was a kid. Like I, I remember like I always wanted to be like an ESPN sports center anchor that was like the goal. And then, you know, I went to journalism school. I got a job at Sports Illustrated. Like I was doing exactly what I wanted to do. Then I moved over to golf digest and traveling around the world like writing about and I just, I don't know. Like it's it's not easy to to admit to yourself that, you know, what you've basically oriented your whole life toward up until that point is not what you want to do anymore.

And I just remember, I wrote about this in the blog, barcelports.com, my new home of Daniel Rapp's writing. I wrote about this. Like, I remember at the President's Cup, you know, when you guys came in there swinging your big dicks around and got into all the fights with all my colleagues. And I just remember being like, it was an eye-opening moment for me because you just sort of start to realize,

and I've talked to you about this, Riggs, like, all these rules just don't, just, they're not real. Like, all these rules that I grew up thinking, like, you know, you can't have an opinion and you can't, you know, There's no cheering in the press box. And you know, you have to do this, this, this. It's just like, it's just not how media works anymore. And you guys for me really signified everything that was new and fresh about the way that people consume media.

And, you know, I just was jealous. I just really wanted to join you guys and do what you guys do and play a bunch of golf and talk to pros like real human beings. Like I have this whole personality that I feel like I've had to, you know, not keep under wraps. But when you're working at one of these like legacy media places, is there's certain things you just can't say. There are certain things you can't tweet. There are certain things that you just can't do. And I just didn't feel like there was any reason why.

It was just like, what am I doing anymore? So, yeah, this is like I'm sure a lot of my journalism professors are probably throwing up seeing this news. But for me, this is a long time coming. And I could not be more excited to be joining you guys. Those journalism teachers might be throwing up, but you're still going to be doing a lot of what you were doing before as well. You're just adding to it.

You're jumping on the podcast. You're going to be doing videos with us. I read your opening blog and I watched your opening video. I thought they both were fantastic. This place just has freedom. Barstall sports allows as much freedom as you want that we let you go off. Or Dave and Erica, what they've all created. They kind of let you do your own thing.

And if people like it and people gravitate towards it, they're going to support it. And we found you. We saw you. We're like, we love what this guy is doing. Everybody, I know everybody read the Morgan Hoffman piece. That shit was fucking phenomenal. You're still going to be doing stuff like that. you're just adding to it and the freedom here is endless.

I mean, put yourself in my shoes like anybody. Someone calls you and they're like, hey, we want to give you total creative freedom to do what you do. We think that you do a really good job. We think you have your finger on the pulse and we want to unleash you. I mean, as someone in my position, it was the easiest decision in the world. Like, it was just, yeah, it was a total no brainer. And you're right.

Like, I don't know exactly what it's going to look like. I'm definitely going to keep writing. I love writing. But that's what's cool about this place. I feel like you guys have such a like a relationship with your, your listeners and your viewers that like, you figure out what works. You try it. And if people like it and they want more of it, then you do more of it. And if they don't, then you pivot off it.

And there's just like that flexibility and that sort of direct link between the consumer and you guys that I felt like didn't didn't really exist in my last place. There's a lot of editors. There's a whole process. Here, it's like, if it works, do it. And that's really, really cool. I'm really, I couldn't be luckier to be in that position. If you want any point, if you want any real pointers on how to win over the odds. audience, use the word fuck every other word, and then talk about your bum hole. Actually, no,

don't do any of those things. They hate that stuff, which is actually going to be really good to add you into this. It just feels a little more professional, even though you're not, you're not like in that box. You're just really, really talented. And I think sometimes that like crosses over into like, oh, he's like buttoned up and professional and he's like golf media. But like, no, it's just, you're really talented at what you do. And it comes off like really impressive as opposed to like professional. And adding that to us it's like holy shit now we get a whole new landscape a whole new like viewpoint from the things we're already talking about like someone that actually has done the work and like the dirty work or the investigative work or like looks into things that we don't look into and it's just

it's it's it's totally different for so I'm really I'm happy for you I'm happy for us but I'm more happy happy for our listeners that listen to every single one of our shows they listen to us for five hours a week talking about golf and now they have this whole new brand new fresh take on the game that they love. That's fucking awesome for the listeners. That's one of the things I was most excited about is like I felt like I was actually bringing something to you guys. Yes. You know what I mean? It wasn't just, I wasn't just joining another, you know, a chorus of people who do the same things that I do. Like, I felt like I was bringing a different angle and I'm going to have my boots on the ground. I'm still going to be going to events. I'm still, you know, working the phones. It was talking,

texting with Rays these last couple weeks, you know, I was trying to just take time off. But like, anytime something happened, I just could not help myself. I was calling these agents. They're like, aren't you like out of a job or something? I'm like, don't worry that, bro. I'm just trying to stay informed. I can't stay out of it for too long. But that's what was so exciting to me about joining this place was like I felt like I could have a role here. And I felt like I could add something to to the show twice a week. You know, I'm going to work my ass off to have fresh nuggets. I'm going to talk to people. You know, it's different for me. Because like a lot of a lot of it at Golf Digest was like all of my insider stuff, all of the product of that was in my writing. Right.

Like you'd write sources to adopt like now I can just come on here and tell you guys what I'm hearing. You know, it's it's just, fuck. It's like I feel like the veil has been taken off. It's, it's unbelievable. Yeah. And a big part of it in all those conversations was, you know, that we wanted you to be you. We don't want to hire you to be more like us. We want you to literally just be Dan Rapaport and do whatever you think is the best way to cover golf.

and you do bring a perspective and insightful perspective on golf that we don't currently have. But another big part of that is that that's what you fucking love. Right. Like we at Barstool, Dave's been huge on like never really hiring people to fill a void. He hires people that he thinks are talented. And then those people choose verticals to cover that they just love because his view is that if you're really passionate about something and you're talented, you'll do a good job covering it. And I think that what's awesome is that the nuts and bolts of pro golf and the tour and

being deep into that world is what you love to do. And nobody on this show loves to do that. Yes, there are moments when we love pro golf and we go nuts for it. We've done two and a half, three hours shows reacting to what we saw. I thought the finish yesterday at East Lake was fantastic. And it reminded me of the Canadian Open where it's like it was awesome. Obviously, Rory is a big part of both of those things. so we can get into it, but on a day-to-day basis,

none of the other four of us are that passionate about the inside track as what's going on in pro golf. And you are. That's what you like, you couldn't keep your fucking fingers off your phone, even though you were in between jobs and you should have been on vacation for two days. It's like, that's what you like to do.

And so having someone in all of our conversations, you know, you'd be like, well, can I still like write kind of the stuff that I've been writing? We're like, yes, absolutely. our nobody on earth is going to want that stuff more than us and then our listeners and readers of like you're taking all the talent that you have showcased at digest in Sports Illustrated and we're just putting it on barstalsports.com and then we're also adding you to the podcast and you'd be part of

video series and you're going to come up with your own video series and like you're just able to chase whatever the hell you want to chase and if you want to you want to say shit that you probably couldn't say shit previously that's great you're you're now uh you know you're a barstool personality that can say and do pretty much whatever you want, as long as you don't encourage people to gamble irresponsibly, I think you're five. Yeah. And like, you know,

guys talk about professional golfers talk about like getting that rush when they come to an event or come to a major. Like, I'm such a fucking nerd. I get that when I walk into a media center at a golf tournament. I really do. Like there's nowhere I feel more alive than like walking, walking the groups,

walking practice rounds with the guys just shooting the shit like on a Tuesday. So the fact that there's a place that doesn't just tolerate that. sort of nerdiness, but encourages it. Yeah, we're going to, we're going to do some really, really cool things together. And again, I don't really exactly know 100% what it's going to look like. And that's one of the exciting things to me is like, try on a job. We're going to see what works. We're going to see what works and what doesn't work. And yeah, just just feeling really lucky. It feels a little surreal. Again, kind of just Jonesing for for a metaphorical cigarette outside right now by myself, but I wouldn't be happy to be here. I love it.

too, because not only going to make yourself better, you're going to make us better, too. I feel like we're going to, I'm going to have a shot of adrenaline. Like, we haven't been, things have been going so well with foreplay. And I feel like we've been kind of just rolling, rolling, rolling down this hill with more momentum and more momentum. But it's like, sometimes you just get not comfortable, but things start to become easier. You're like, oh, we're just going to release these videos. And like we're going to go to, like, we're getting more access. So things also, I think my mic is just insanely loud.

So sorry if that's been happening. I think you sound good. Yeah. It's kind of your day to day. I appreciate that. We got these new hats in the in the store, by the way. I just, by the way, his video is doing really well. So I just tweeted out the link to the merchandise below it.

So my. Anyway, already moving, already moving merch. I threw our sound cloud out there. I just think sometimes like we kind of, or I personally will be like, yeah, we can get through this week just doing the things we already do. And like, because we're, we all have our own thing on this podcast. And now we add like a new, a new you. Like you are just so fucking. You're going to be so excited and you're going to be so energetic about this job.

And you're going to be bringing so many more things. It's like, we got to step up. We got to like, we got to get to your level now. It's going to add like a whole new dynamic to us too. I feel more like motivated to get better now, which is really, really cool. I think the whole thing is just great. And that's not even talking about the actual playing golf. Well, we'll have some fun.

Oh, I know. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I'm, I'm, I'm intense. I'm a bit of a psycho. Just so you guys know. Good. How's the game there?

Games all right. Game's all right. I'm not. I'm not going to make any declarations. Notice I didn't say anything about, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to wait and see because I don't want to come out here and say, oh, my game's grave. And then I come out and I'm fucking shaking on the first tee of our first video together because I will be nervous. You can't come out there and say, you know, I'm the best player. I'm going to this, that and not and not back it up.

So I'm going to try to be really, really downplay it and hopefully, you know, maybe practice a little bit. Well, I'm going to make you say it without saying. What's your background in the game of golf? Because now people need to know if they don't already know it. You can't stop to the first tee and have people. blind to this. I grew up playing competitively. I sort of half ash tried to walk on at Northwestern. That's actually where I became friends with Matt Fitzpatrick because he was the only kid my year, who was going to be on the golf team. He was the number one amateur literally in the world at the time.

So I kind of saw the writing on the wall. It was like, this is never going to happen for me. But yeah, I know, I'm like a, you know, hopefully a little bit better than scratch. So we'll see, we'll see what the video shows. But that's, that's sort of where my game's been. trying to get back into like the mid-am competitive level, which is which is different. The difference between scratch and, you know, being able to shoot under par and a USGA qualifier.

It's very, very different. But that's, that's where we're at. And I think, you know, that's going to be another thing that I'm excited about is like, I'm trying to get to like that level.

And, and I think that's a journey that people will think is cool. You know, I'm, I'm facing my fears. Like, dude, competing is fucking scary,

bro. I've played like five or six tournaments the last couple years. And like, not saying that I'm famous by any stretch of the imagination, but like you're accountable, right? Like especially now, it's like if I plan a tournament,

everyone's going to be like, oh my God, Rappaport guy says he's a plus one. He shot 84. Like, wow, wow, like it's hard.

It's scary. Like putting yourself out there, I know when I turn the mic on, I'm going to do a good job. I don't know that when I put the ball on the T that it's not going to be for right right away. You know what I mean? Like we all have our skills in life.

And I think you guys are going to help me, you know, hopefully some of you guys will caddy for me when I do make these things because I will make these things. And we're going to have a fucking great time doing it. Dude, the YouTube will let you know what your handicap is, by the way. They're very good.

You don't need to plug any scores in. It's not up to the gym. I already saw some comments. I already saw some comments that were like, what's his handicap? And someone's like, well, what's a rigs handicap or an official? They're two very different things.

You don't hit the ball like Rory off the tea every time, just 3.30 pipe down the middle. You can't be a single digit. Or you can't talk about golf. I have a lot of talk about golf public. Well, the funny thing is it once you join. this podcast, you're all of a sudden supposed to be like a professional elite golfer, like because of the amount you play, because of the amount people watch you, which I get,

we play more than the average person. But all of a sudden, you enter this arena where you have to be like really good at the sport that you're doing a video on. So that's a whole new world. And then how exciting is it for him for Danny now that like he played competitive golf growing up? He's joining more competitive golf tournaments. And now you're doing it every single time you tee it up, you have hundreds of thousands of people watching you.

That's going to add to that competitive juices on the course so much. I've always said like, it's a simulation. We get to play golf against professional golfers in like big time situations. You get to hit a chip like against fucking Scotty Sheffler to win a match. Like when do you get to ever do that? And all of a sudden you get to like reignite that like competitive high school sports like person inside you. It's fucking nuts. I was talking about this with with my fiance last night.

It's like I actually can't believe this is my job now. Yeah. I really can't believe it because I've said to my friends so many times, like, there is literally nothing better than a golf trip. Like I'm, that's my purest belief. If you have four guys or eight guys or whatever it is and everyone's down, right, everyone's about it. Everyone's there. You're in the middle of nowhere. You're hammered at 11 a.m. You're playing golf. You're talking shit. Like that is the greatest thing in the world. That is what most people work for. This is now a big part of my work, which honestly, I have to thank you guys for making this a thing.

Like I didn't when I was in journalism school, when I was like, this wasn't a thing. You know, like people weren't watching other people play golf, especially, you know, guys who are shooting in the,

you know, high 70s, low 80s or low 90s or below 90, Trent, hopefully. Hopefully. But like that just, it just wasn't a thing.

And then once that became a thing, I wanted to do it so badly. And now I get to. So thank you. Thank you all. You're welcome. No, it is like when you say,

he stumbled. of this so hard. You know, you just stumbled right. Like what Frankie was saying, like everybody now expects people who join this podcast to be the best golfer in the world. I actually broke through going the other way. If you are the worst golfer, one of the worst golfers in the world, people actually somehow appreciate that more.

So it's, it's just a very, very weird world that you've just stepped into. That can't wait. Yeah, it, it truly is. And I, like, the golf trip part is so true. I mean, it's almost like airport rules where it's just you wake up at the beginning. of a trip and it's, you know, you got like a 750 tea time and your buddy at 7.30 just walks with eight double transfusions and everyone's like, yeah, yeah, no, that's normally. It's fucking 7.30 in the morning. What are you people doing? So, um, so yeah, we've had some

good times on the trips. I know if like Forrest Dunes last year in Michigan stood out. We had such a phenomenal time filming that whole thing that we kind of looked around like, how is this what we do? We got a couple big ones coming up. We got Myrtle Beach and we've got big Cedar Lodge. And then next year we're trying to plan, um, a Canadian one. which we got a lot of chatter about because we were in Canada last week. Frankie and I were up there. We're going to talk about that. We got a ton to get to.

We got to first talk about game time. I know Danny just mentioned the rush of walking into an event as a media member, the media center, walking inside the ropes. Everybody gets that rush when you go to a live event, whether it's golf, whether it's a concert. Frankie here is our own little drummer boy who plays in a band. Some concerts, live shows, comedy, whatever the hell it might be. Game time.

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But those are the things you have to deal with when you go use game time is you get so close to the action that if the pitcher has the same name as you, that you're going to confuse it with you being pseudo famous and thinking that your ego is, you having a bigger ego than you actually are. So yeah, it was bad. That was a bad moment. How did they react? How did the guys behind me react when you go out? The guy was like, sorry what?

He looked at me like, no, no, I was just pointing at the MLB pitcher that's about the pitching the game. You were like, it's a long story. I have a. I was like, yeah, I just like a Danny Rap story in the podcast. So everyone knew everything was so big. Download the GameTime app. Go to the account tab to create a login, redeem code four for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply.

Download game time last minute tickets. Lowest price guaranteed. That's a guarantee. Use the redeem code for $20 off your first purchase. And again, terms do apply. Lurch, I saw you posted a video. I actually didn't even get to listen to it because we were just beginning the show. I imagine a lot of people were probably going to ask like, oh, what's the deal?

With Lurch, from my vantage point, it's like, I think everybody knows that Lurch has clearly had a very good job elsewhere. I think the majority of your professional commitment time is clearly to the other job and you've joined us as much as you possibly could, whether it's for podcasts, whether it's for different videos, whether it's different major championship coverage. So I think from our vantage point, it's you're going to join stuff whenever you can. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, like, you know, it's a, it's a great thing for the bottom. I'm psyched that Danny's on board. It's definitely, you know, different for me. Riggs we spoke last week. So like in terms of like, you know, commitments, financial commitments and all that stuff, it's like I'm part of AXon. This is going to be less so now because of all the news. But I'm going to certainly join as a fifth mic here and there.

I'm excited for the path of four play. It's been awesome to be part of it, obviously, for the last couple of years. Always been in a tweener spot with my sales gig and this. And so I think there's more to accomplish now. Certainly with the four of you, traveling, doing whatever. and I'll try to be part of it here and there, but probably less so than what's been in the past. But it's been an awesome run.

Golf's awesome. It's probably a lot of, like, good memories, good things. And we'll see. I might do some funky stuff on the side as well. And who knows where the world will lead you, but it's, yeah, it's a great place. Can't imagine what that'll be. Funky stuff.

Yeah, but, you know, like, you know, it gives me a little freedom, right? You know, the power of barstool. It's like I wasn't, you know, I just played golf and smacked it around. I started playing golf outside of Boston with, 30 guys, um,

sucked and did kind of what transmission on, you know, like I was in the 90s and then first day of the next season, I shot 85 and I was like, dude, maybe I can get halfway decent at this thing. Then it led to this podcast and, you know,

whatever's gone after that. So, um, yeah, man, it's a joy. And I'm pumped that Danny Raps on board. I'm pumped for the future of golf.

Where the hell it's going. Rory winning yesterday. Just be like the sample of the PGA tour and like, give a kind of double middle fingers to, Jay Monahan, I actually did a video because I was just buying, I bought some Thai food yesterday. I was having dinner with little nieces. And I just pictured Monahan like on a Pogo stick, jumping around, just smiling, just in a driveway, just being a kid. I can't imagine how happy that dude was, like all set and done. So yeah, congrats Danny, pumped you on board.

You know, for me, yeah, I just working two lives with this and Axon. Axon's an amazing place. pumped to continue to work there and do that and see where it goes. But did you, did you eat the Thai food? Because you just said I bought some Thai food. Oh, yeah, man. I eat everything. If you don't know me, if something's edible, I'll probably mash it down. You get home.

You're like, hey, hey, babe, I bought some Italian food. Do you want to eat it? No, no, if you know, I don't, I don't have a family of my own. So it's always for my brother's kids and whatnot. So we bought $250 with a Thai food last night after. Because we did a drive from Maine home. I was in this lovely little place in Maine, found this course just so relaxed, got back at 1 a.m. I actually thought we were going to run out of gas.

There's a DUI stop. So traffic built up miles, dude. We were like on empty. Nightmare, like literally had no gas, went into the gas station. We had 0.08 like gallons left in the tank, like when we filled it up. And so last night was just a typhood mess. And we literally had like $250 worth And I ate all of it

So anyways Have you ever run out of gas before? I was a couple times Couple times Yeah This was back in high school dude Where you were like Yeah I'll put $5 in the tank

Yeah You know like 10 today And you're feeling like one gallon Right no But like that's all you could do And you'd be like Oh I'm driving around It'll be fine

And I remember one time Dude I had to get out of my red Jeep Walk home Get a red gallon tank You know go to the gas station T you did the same Well, my car when I got when I was in high school was a 1985 Chevy Caprice. It was really old.

It was my grandma's car that she gave to me. I loved it. But the, what's, what do you, is it just the gas gauge? Is that what you call it? Yeah. I thought there was a special name for it. That broke. So I never knew how much gas I had.

Oh, man. I only knew when I filled it all the way up, I'd be like, all right, I got a full tank now. The rest of the way, it was just guessing. So I was infamous for just running out of gas and being on the side of the road waiting for someone to bring me some. Okay. I actually have a question for you because I've, debated this in my head. Could you feel when the car was low on gas? Because sometimes when I'm driving

and I have like very, very little gas, I'm like, damn. And then you fill it up and you're like, oh, she's ready to go now. Like when I just touch the gas pedal, is that just in my head or is that a real thing? No, I think it's real. I think when you are low on gas, the engine starts to act a little different. It's not at full go. It's like, we got a, we got to conserve here because this moron's gas gauge is broken. And he doesn't, he's on the highway. He's just driving along, listening to the G unit and he thinks things are all good. No, no, they are not. He's about to run out of gas. So I think there is a difference. I always fear, too, like if you're going up and down a hill, like how that affects. Because the gas thing, like, it's got to fall out of like the central part. So if you only have like a little bit,

that's what I was getting worried about. I was like, if we have to go a little incline, then the gas is in the back of the tank. It's not falling like through like the center like drop zone or whatever. Yeah, I don't know. But when you're when you run out of gas and you've never done it, Danny, it's just on no power. I have a question. I have a question about gas and electric cars and all this stuff. I had electric car in California when I went to pebble with my dad. And we were like, if we don't get a charge today and we go to the big sir and we drive the pebble and we run out of electricity, we're done.

Right. Like what's the option there? Like if you get down to zero, like no one can bring you like electricity in a can. Can they? Unless they have mobile electric things to charge you up. If you just run out of electricity on the road with an electric car, like what happens? They got to have a bad time. There's got to be a big battery pack.

I guess so. I guess someone comes with a battery pack. It's like a mobile phone charger. But then the second thing I was thinking about was, you know, wind turbines and like the way we can get electricity and like things will roll and like turbines will move and like electricity. Why can't they build an electric car? As the wheels turn, the car generates electricity. You know what? They probably just haven't thought of it yet.

What I would do. That's impossible, Danny. That's impossible. What I would do is I would just, I would just, I would just, I would just. I do is thinking about this shit. Just hit up your contacts at Tesla. Tell them they'll be like, fuck, that's a good idea. Dude, just do it.

So now I think I brought this up at Deney the day, and that's all we talked about. And I think there's like a hybrid car that does that. Like as you're sitting at a red light, all the movement actually charged up like the backup, the backup battery. Like there's some of these hybrid cars. Like I think like the Prius is a hybrid. It's got an engine in it, but it also uses whatever. Like the wind. What about the wind while you're driving?

It goes through. Yeah, because if you're, I mean, think about it. You just put your hand outside the window. It's incredibly windy because you're driving so fast. That's enough wind to power motor vehicle. That's what I'm saying. So can't capture that somehow? I think wind turbines don't do anything for electricity.

Honestly, I think wind turbines do so very little. It seems like a mess thing because they got these giant farms of them all over the place. I mean, they provide energy, but it's just minimal. It's just real minimal, I think, in like the output that it gives you. Especially like one. Now when you have like, you know, a farm of them, if you've ever seen those things, like when you're up in like Northern Maine, get on a mountain and there's just a farm of winter. They're just insane. This is why I joined Foreplay.

Conversations like this. The tour championship happiest way we'd get to say a single thing about turbines. All right. We should talk about the tour championship. Roy McElroy. What a fucking year. Of course, it came down to him and Scotty. Lurch's guy sung J.M.

threw himself into the mix. I love him a lot. too now because the win him championship he's like their hero all about high in the scenes people just are obsessed with him so i'm a big fan as well um so we're essentially um in a spot now like lurch described as well where uh rory is the prince he has been the prince he's been the face of the pj tour he has stepped up and grabbed that role and done a great job with it i think he is the star that you would you would try to paint him if this were a fictional story about how crazy this year has been.

He would be someone that I don't even know you could make up how great he is. You know, family guy. He always says the right things. He's authentic but never comes off like a dickhead. Everybody behind the scenes has nothing but positive things to say about him, including us when we had our one interaction with him last year. And we filmed our video with Taylor Made for like an hour. He was even better than advertised.

and he had been advertised as positively as you could possibly have it. And now here he is winning the Tours Super Bowl. He made the Super Bowl joke afterwards, which tied a bunch of stuff together from the Live, you know, lawsuit courtroom moment where the live guy himself called this the Super Bowl of golf. And he came in and said, you know, I'm a Super Bowl champ and the whole deal. So point is Rory guts it out, kind of a weird finish with the guys hitting some sloppy shots. but Rory, what was it on whatever hold,

an incredibly long 16th hole, part three over the water where nobody hit in the water, which was insane all weekend long. Cairns like a 40-footer holds on to win by a stroke, and obviously the tour and everybody's going nuts. They're as happy as they can be. Trent, I saw you tweeted out the South Park Giff of just come all over the place,

which made me laugh out loud. But anyways, Roy McRoy wins the tour championship, came down to him and Scotty, which makes sense, because Scotty's probably going to be player of the year. A dream finish by all accounts. I genuinely think that's how Jay Monaghan had to feel right after. Like I know it was a joke. There's a guy covered in come.

But I think Jay Monahan had to be somewhat feeling that way because of all the reasons that you just list. It couldn't have gone better. Rory's the guy you won't win in that. And it was a good duel between the two of them, Scotty and Rory. Scottie didn't play great. Rory didn't play great at times. But it was great to see two guys who've had great years come down to the finish. Like every bit of it was felt a little bit like a storybook.

So for that to happen for Rory to win, I saw him apologizing to Scotty's family and hugging Scottie's family. Like, Rory is that guy. He just is. Like, you can't have a better guy in a better position at this point where the world golf is going, how the landscape is shifting. Like, every part of it, Rory is stepping up to it. And it's, you couldn't write it any better.

Yeah, I mean, just to add to the chorus of just absolute Rory adulation, it's 100% authentic. I'm sure it's the same with you guys when people ask you all the time, like, who are the best guys out there? Who's the nicest guys out there? For me, I mean, Rory's like, he's one of the only guys. You know when you're talking to one of these pros and you can tell that they feel like they're doing a favor to you by talking to you? They'll talk to you. But they'll just answer your questions. They'll ask, you know, how's New York?

Like, how are the COVID restrictions in New York? You know, how's your fiancee doing? Like, I remember she's a lawyer. How is she, you know, he's just one of those guys who seems like just a normal person with a superpower. And I think that's what makes him so appealing to people is like, what you mentioned, about him going up to Scotty's parents. He had this sheepish grin on his face. Like he felt bad about beating Scotty because Scotty had this incredible year.

Like if Tiger Woods won there, he wouldn't be thinking one second about Scott. He'd be like, sorry, that's just what I do. Rory is a normal guy. He's the most normal guy maybe out there who just has this superpower of being able to hit a golf ball so incredibly beautifully. And yeah, Jay Monaghan was pumped. His post is the trophy ceremony afterwards. He was, he was buzzing. because you could tell like the other times that he's had to speak publicly was like to answer questions about live and to tell people about where all this money came from and he just knows he's going to get hammered yesterday no questions big jay just up there with the microphone standing next to rory's boy being like what a great day for our sponsors we're so excited about the future yeah a great day for the pj tory yesterday and one thing i wanted to add i had this written down was like how much variance there was yesterday with the last three guys so sung j m hits his ball in the rough and just completely misjudge

the lie. Just completely misjudges the lie. Didn't get under it. I had this rid of the ball came out hot, rolls over the green ruins his experience. Scottie Sheffler, there's no sand in the bunker. So Sung J. M hits his ball in the rough and just completely misjudges the lie. The shot Rory hit the second shot here into 18. That's under it. He caught a little bit of the ball, came out hot, rolls over the green ruins his chances. Scotty Sheffler, there's no sand in the bunker. Right. He turns to Ted right after hearing that shot and goes no sand. Rory. The shot Rory hit the second shot here into 18. That's in the parking lot. Right. If there's no grandstand there, that's in the, that's I hate that rule. I,

Out of your pocket. Out of your pocket. He gets to drop it. And then he couldn't drop it. And then he couldn't drop it. He dropped it. It happened to him in a matriot. Dude,

he dropped it. If you watched the video, he dropped it. It sinks right to the bottom. He just grabs it right away and puts it right back on top. I'm not saying that he didn't follow the rules. But there's just, you got $18 million at stake.

And golf is just so beautifully chaotic. Right. So much weird shit happened in that last couple holes where it's just like, there's no way to possibly account for this. It's just randomness. It's one of the reasons why this is the great. game there is. How funny was it that they kept flashing the money graphic. They flashed the money graphic like 50 times. And I'm pretty sure the PJ Tour and Jay were like, let's just flash that

money, that thing up there so we can let people know that we're giving guys a lot of money too. Like it was 18 million, six and a half million. Every time they got a chance, they brought it up. But yeah, it was a wild finish for Roar. It reminded me a lot, as you were just saying, Danny, of the of the Zalotaur's playoff, where it was the same way. It was like they would both play a whole phenomenally and it's like they both could have made birdie and then they do that for two holes and then the next hole it was like doubles going to win the tournament it's like they both ball finishes in the one little spot where i couldn't finish and it's honestly it's not to shit unlive but it's like kind of why you need 72 holes it's like you need to combat that variance

and really determine who was the best player throughout the week and this is what a lot of tiger's point was when he just his brain was broken at the concept of playing 54 hours he just he was like he was Like, I just, I can't imagine considering that a golf tournament. And his, because he understands he's played the long con. He has been considered as amazing as people like to describe his power and how violent he swings and how far he hits it as him and Jack, like the most conservative players of all time. Chess. Because, right, they play the long game. They understand that over 72 holes, if I outthink and I am more skilled and I have worked harder than you, I will defeat you by at least his stroke after 72 long holes of bad.

bad luck, bad breaks, good breaks, all kinds of shit. And then when it all comes down to like a couple holes and people finally turn on the TV to watch a couple holes, you watch it and you're like, holy shit. Like, look at what's going on. The whole tournament came down to just Rory made like a 43 footer that usually doesn't go in. Like you could argue that. But also you could argue a violent hook from the middle of the fairway that hit the grandstand and he gets to place it for 18 million bucks. That thing was in the parking lot. So it's it is amazing.

But again, if you went back and you looked at the whole deal, the 72 holes, the fact that he came back from a triple boge on the first hole, the entire tournament, his first drive OB, and then started six shots back, was 10 shots back after a few holes into the tournament, was six shots back teeing off in the final round and wins the tournament against the best player throughout the entire year. It was great. It was, I enjoyed on golf Central, I guess it was last night,

with Brando and Rolfing, where they were talking about. about some of the different battles throughout the year. And, you know, it was like, oh, Rory edged out Scotty here, but Scotty edged him out at Augustin. You, like, almost forget that Rory holds this bunker shot, and Scotty, you know, barely kind of hangs on to beat him at Augustine. It's like the same characters were kind of there throughout the year. And even Cam Smith, when it, like him in, obviously he wins the open,

but, you know, there's the moment at Augusta, like he was in the mix. And Scotty chips in on whatever. that was the third hole and it felt like the momentum was all going the same way and it's like you have smith and scotty and rory and it's kind of the main characters throughout the entire season that emerged and you kind of i almost forgot that like oh yeah i remember this guy won that but i had forgotten that they were the two or three guys battling it out throughout the whole fucking year right and last year i was thinking about last year's tour championship it was rom and can't way two different guys right it just goes to show there's there's not one alpha dog there is for like a little bit

but no one's been able to like distance themselves and it's it could be too different guys next year. You know, next year could be the year of, you know, Xander Schoffley and Victor Hovland. You know, we just don't know what's going to happen. One more thing is, you know, Tom Kim, right, remember he won a couple weeks ago making a triple on the first hole? Rory just really couldn't let him have that.

I couldn't let him have the whole triple the first hole and win the golf tournament thing. Roy just, I'm going to, I'm just going to take that from you right now because now it's a Rory. But yeah, that's what you're saying about 72 holes. There's time to overcome those things. Right. And I was thinking about that. If I was a better gambler, like just seeing that and seeing that.

and seeing that Rory did it in the championship, it's like, I wish I had thrown some late money on Rory as soon as he hit that first drive OB, just because, like, he is that skill, he is that good. And if there's that potential there, but obviously I didn't because I lose every bet I place and just another loser for me. But yeah, it's insane. Like, I look at it as round over round after that. It's just, he's just phenomenal. And yeah, he gets lucky with the grandstand. I would be interested if any player has ever taken that into account. as part of their strategy if they're in a horrible spot. Yes.

I'll tell you 100% yes. Yeah, that. It's long. It's long and it's left. So if like you're right, if you're in the right rough, if you're in the right rough and you're like, okay, I can't actually,

I can't get this on the green, right? There's no way I'm going to hit high enough and land it soft enough. But if I just bomb it down there anywhere, I'm going to get a free drop. It's a hundred percent strategy for a lot of guys. I've done that in my own game. We play Rockville Links. I think it's the eighth hole.

Everything on the left side is a free drop because it's the maintenance yard. So when I step up to that hole, I just grip it and rip it as hard as I possibly can because a par five, it's getable in two. And if I push it left, which is my miss when I swing as hard as I can, I just get a free drop and I'm still looking at the green and three. It's a part five. No problem. Of course, he loves this rule in that situation. Just loves it. Yeah, I do love that rule.

It's fucking amazing. But on a professional level, when they get the drop and he put the T down and he fluffed that thing. Oh, come on, boys. I mean, the announcers are like, this is the hardest spot in the golf course. You do not want to be here. It's sitting down. right there by the wall. How's he going to get this thing up? And two seconds later, you look. And this thing's on a T. It's like, obviously he's getting that on the green. Is it 14 at Austin Country Club? Is it 14 at

Austin Country Club? That's the par four that they can drive it over the water and they all just hit it in the grandstand on purpose over the green because you can't stop it on the green. It happens all the time. Remember there was that women's event a couple years ago. Yes. 18 total of a major and they had like the great blue wall. It was like this. It was like water behind the green and they had this massive wall right in front of the wall. water, which is like just get it over the green and you're chipping back uphill. But again, like, you know, if you bring this up, if you tweet to me like this and you'll have people being like, this is how they pay these guys, these monies, the sponsors and they want to sit there

on 18 and like, we get it. We totally get it. I still maintain that that ball was going in the fucking parking lot. It is. And like they can't hollow out the bottom or something like that. So at least, you know, it could flow under the grandstand because they're all elevated, you know, 10, 12 feet. So, like, if they did and put the drop zone in a brutal spot. They do that at the British Open. They have the drop zone, like, on down slopes in, like, knee high rough. And it's like, all right, you're going to hand the grand sign.

You're going to drop it here. The PJ tour, not so much. You can kind of fall. Yeah, because, like, you know, like with all the rules of golf, like, in the spirit of the game, you feel like if that was, like, deemed a penalty, that that was the choice that they made to play off, like, a man-made structure. There's just, like, a penalty for that. It's pretty shocking that, like, there honestly isn't.

You know, if it was deemed, oh, you. You pulled like a five iron and it took a full swing because you thought you wanted to smack him in the grandstand to use the chip to have like all the room on the green because it's a better spot to get up and down from. It is interesting. So shout out to the British Open for being a little forward thinking on that because I actually think that's a way better play to make it harder on the players if that is the strategy. Maybe virtual reality going forward. They should have like a hologram grandstand and the ball just fucking rips right there. I thought that was. Right.

Based on the full swing simulator, we deemed that you were. 70 yards over the green there. So you're actually going to drop. There's a drop zone over there. Yeah, we'll put you in that. It was also, it was also kind of a cool dynamic yesterday because because of the format, Scotty was not, was not playing well, right? Like if, if he, if it was a normal tournament, he would have been like middle of the

pack, I think. He might have finished like, you know, 12 or something at a 30. So you had this unique dynamic of you have two guys who are tied for the lead. One of them is playing great, right? Rory, Rory is absolutely dialed in, right? He's chasing. Scotty was was battling out there. And so you got to see, you know, a lot of times you watch TV

and you get a really skewed perspective of just how good these guys are because you're only seeing the best players who are playing their best, right? If this is a normal tournament, you wouldn't have seen very many of Scotty shots yesterday because he would have been like T10 and you just would have seen the end of day, like, oh, Scotty kind of played like shit today and he lost himself a bunch of money. But to see it up front, like he just had no control of his golf ball yesterday. And it was, it was interesting to watch. It's why PGATor lives great.

Like because you, you, you, you get to witness the entire round. We talked about it a few times, but it's like, you're right. When you tune in, they only aggregate the best stuff, really. Like, they're not going to cut to somebody who's T-13 and hits another wipey one to the right. And they're like clinging on trying to shoot 74. They only show the people that are playing the best. And those guys are making birdies and hitting every fucking fairway for the most part. Until they get to the late part of the tournament, guys get nervous and start hitting shitty shots.

And it's like, as a viewer, you're like, whoa, he's super nervous. is hitting awful shots, but it's like, yes, that's a part of it, but also guys are hitting awful shots all over the golf course, all the fucking day. You just never see it. PGA Tour Live is phenomenal because you just, from start to finish, you witness every single shot. You see the ups and the downs. You see how much momentum, right?

Like we talk about momentum in hockey or football all the time, but like golf, when you get through a full round of golf, you can see how a guy's hot for six or seven holes. He's hitting everything. If it's a right pin, he's hitting it 10 feet left of the pin. if it's a hole that calls for, you know, they're just hitting all these shots. And then there's moments where they're just struggling. And when you watch like a Rory on PGA Tour Live, a lot of times you'll see during that struggle stretch like six or seven holes where it's like he's hitting it terrible and he's

one under. And it's like these guys can gut it out. And you're right. That was like they had no choice but to show Scotty because clearly he's in contention. And he was struggling and you almost feel you feel for him a little bit. It made me laugh at the end where he had a $715,000 put. they were saying to save all that money. It's like, dude, he just lost $12 million on a bunker shot.

You think he was thinking about that there. And I know Scott, he says he wasn't thinking about the money. He's thinking about the season long championship. But man, at some point when he rests his head on that pillow, the thoughts creep in a little bit. I know all the money in the world doesn't make you happy, but $12 million bunker shot, you blade that thing over the green. That's going to sit with you for at least a week, at least one week.

There's just not that many scenarios that a human being can find themselves in where they can lose $12 million. I know. It just doesn't come across. all that often. And I get, yeah, I agree. He said he wasn't thinking about the money. But at some point he's going to be like, I had a chance to make 12 million more dollars and I just couldn't get it. I do agree with. I think that he does. He's one of the like, he's not weird, but he's definitely strange in the fact that I don't think money affects Scottie Shepler at all.

When he won the Masters, he was just playing like RumiCube or something with his wife. Well, when you're 23 and you already have that much or 25, but like, you know, he came up so quickly, right? Like he never had to worry about money. He never had to think about money. That's different. It's different for someone who. like right to the top. That's very true. That's very true. And I do feel bad for Scotty. And then I want to pose this question. Do you think he lost that money?

He obviously does, right? It's hard to say that as opposed to Rory one. I think so. Are we calling it a choke job? When you teed off in six shot, you know, he's six shots ahead of Rory and loses to him in the final round. Like, yeah, I think he knows if he would have played decently yesterday, he would have won by a couple shots.

I mean, I think he shot like five under, four under, four under three over. So it wasn't exactly. Like, you know, but yeah, no, it's, I don't think they're thinking about money. I really don't because we would, but that's why we're podcasters and they're play. Like, you just, all you think about is trying to play the best golf you can play and let all that take care of itself. And I know it's such a cliche, but just think about how paralyzing it would be to be thinking about money out there. You just, you just can't. You just tap into that competitiveness of like, I'm going to shoot the absolute best score because I know this tournament's important.

Before the week, you see the purse, you know it's important. You don't have to then go through each little point about how, much money it's worth. You just know this is really fucking important. And I'm going to play my absolute best and grind throughout because some weeks, you know, T4 versus T5 is not a big difference. This week, it is a huge difference. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I think that's right. I think it's, it's, it's ironic and that the, the guys that really think about the money or the guys that don't have any that are like on the, you know, that are fighting. Did you see what Rory said yesterday or something? Did you see what Rory said yesterday about that? They asked him, they asked him, why are you such a

dangerous chaser, right, when you're behind. And he said, because out of everyone in the field, I care about money at the least. That's some alpha shit right there. It would be interesting to tie clutch behavior, two dollars already in that person's bank account. Like in golf, like, do you see a guy that's like bubbling up that has a chance to make a ton of money, fail faster and fail more often? Because they have, I would love to know that statistic of like more clutch players are just rich or more successful people because it just factored be a chart i think yeah more money acquired more wins more yeah right no i know i don't totally safety net i actually think it's more success in in in those moments like what lurch is saying i think the more money you have and the more that

you're experienced and experienced i think the more that you're able to like hold on to those leads or find a way to catch people ahead of you in in the other end of the spectrum where there's no money involved. It's still like I was talking, Stuart Haggistad, who you guys know midam, he was talking about when he was making his run at the US amateur playing against all these college kids. He's like, I've been in these USGA events before. I know what it feels like. I know what it's like to be coming down the stretch of a match, one down with three holes to go. It's just experience. Just having done it before, I think. Yeah. And it's funny when you talk to the guys that have a ton of majors too. I feel like they have some great quotes when they're chasing or when they're going into the final round of like, well,

I'm looking at the leaderboard and like, it was Kepka, I think who said this at Harding Park and he ended up foot in his mouth. But it was like, no, I'm looking at the guys ahead of me. Like, DJ's got one major. The other guys have none. Like, I like my chances because it's if you've been there before, Tigers talked about that a lot of like, these guys are going to be feeling feelings they've never felt before coming down the stretch. I've been here. I've got, you know, seven majors or whatever it was at the time in the bank and like they've got zero. So yeah, I'm playing in that like metaphorically with house money, but also it.

house money. Like the money doesn't matter because I got a bunch of it. The majors doesn't really matter as much to me because I've got a bunch of them. This matters to you, buddy, because you've never won a manager. You don't have hundreds of millions of dollars. I've got all that shit. So all I'm going to do is hit golf shots and you got to worry not just about the golf shots, but like your whole career is at stake here. You better fucking figure it out. Like that's, that's a huge dynamic in a game that is so mental. It's like anything else though. Like, you know, Lurch, I'm sure your first like big sales pitch to someone. You're probably shit in your pants. And then now it's like riding a bike.

I'm sure for me, I'm going to be really, really nervous the first round we all play together on camera because it's a new thing. And then eventually it becomes routine. It's just, you know, just doing it. Yeah, people are risk adverse in nature. And yeah, anytime you do something twice, it's way easier. Because I remember like, I think the first big T shot we all hit almost was like at Bethpage. I remember that was like, whoa, we showed up and there was people there and we were like, dude, there's a couple videos of our swings on the internet, but there's not a tough. and there's certainly not many, like, in the real light of day. Right.

And Trent bent over too for fucks. Right. But like Trent bent over. I made a four. You remember correctly. Oh, yeah. I thought I was going to, I thought I was going to pass out. I think I remember telling somebody I would pay $5,000 to just go drop my ball in the

middle of the fairway because I just didn't want to do it. And then I hit one of the best drives in my life. And it just got way easier. It got way easier after that. Right. You're absolutely right. And then, yeah, now we like the internet knows that is what I, I shoot what I shoot.

Like, it's about that, you know, and so it takes all the stress out of it. So, Danny, yeah, you can claim your handicap, you know, you're about a little bit better than scratch. So that's kind of big news. So I would say anything less than 3.30 down the gut is going to say that you're not better than a 20 handicap. I have a pressure T shot, which is just right rough all day, a little fan spin job. That will be the first T shot I hit before.

No, don't go for that. No, I'm. Go for just an absolute pipe draw. And if you missed it, who gives a shit? I might go four iron off the fresh, just for nerves sake. Just literally just get it down there. Well, film and videos on golf courses, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, it's the golf capital of the world.

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