Fore Play - The Delicious Traveler, with Zack Sucher

Episode Date: June 25, 2019

Zach Sucher (47:55) maxed out credit cards to keep his golf dream alive. Then he finished T2 at the Travelers Championship for $633K. Then he joined Fore Play. We get Zack's story, what it took to get here, and what it was like going through a life-changing weekend in Connecticut. Then Riggs, Trent and Frankie do some singing, break down headlines, and talk golf courses from Greathorse to Lake of Isles to Whistling Straits and more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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Go bid. If you win that oxy, you play golf with us, let's do this. Zach Sucker, who finished T2 at the Travelers Championship, kind of stole a lot of the headlines with his comments about, you know, we had a bunch of credit card debt. He's a absolute grinder, and he's 32 years old. he's battled, battled, battled on the web.com tour, on the PGA tour, missing a lot of cuts. It's a struggle. It's hard to make it.

It's hard to get out there. It's hard to build a career on the PGA tour where you're actually one of these guys that makes a ton of money. And he is a living example of that. He had an injury that took him out for like over a year. So we had him on the show for about 30 minutes or so. Incredible story. It's a little different, you know, he's because he's got, I mean, there's a moment where it almost got a little emotional. in here to be honest with my daddy and myself when he was talking about

well leveraging you know everything financially that they could come up with to keep his golf career going and he's got two little girls he's got a wife I wasn't in on this and you're just talking about emotions maybe it's good I wasn't in because what I started crying oh I'm a big cryer you would have probably I just saw um and by the way someone just touched something on my headphones so I'm just deaf now but number two I can't hear you my headphones can't hear our headphones just went away number two is I saw I saw Toy Story and I cry like a little baby. Toy Story 4, I cried like you wouldn't believe. Like, someone was taking pliers and pulling off

my fingertips. You couldn't believe how hard I was crying. What, does it get emotional in Toy Story 4? Toy Story 4? I mean, do you guys See Toy Story 3 had one of the most emotional moments in movie history. It did. No, it's true. Toy Story 4 is just a fucking unreal movie, but I'm glad that I missed that one because

I'm going to listen to it and maybe I'll sip on some wine while I listen to it, get myself in a nice emotional state. Because I told you guys, like, this guy's story is unbelievable to be on that grind. Not many people know about that grind. I know like Dave was talking about his guy, Jeremy Renner. Is it Jim Runner?

Jim Renner, not Jeremy. Jeremy Renner is, he's not grinding. He is a wealthy. That guy is not grinding for that next paycheck in anyway. You know why he's in my head? Because that movie tagged, did you know that in the movie tag with Jeremy Renner? Both his arms were broken. I feel like we talked about this on the show.

Multiple times. I just talked about it over the weekend. Someone did not believe me. They see J.I's arms on. We didn't we say that to you and you didn't believe us? And then you watched it. Oh, I knew this. this because I did a pizza view with him while I was filming it, but I knew this information for years.

There was somebody on this show. Maybe it was Riggs who hadn't seen it yet and we had to tell him about whatever. That's why he's in my head. I was talking about this weekend. But Jim Renner is also a guy like, he's a bar stool guy. So like these guys that have to, they have families and kids like you're saying they have like they have to pay their way to get the tournaments and like it's a dream of theirs but it's expensive. And it's like in a movie when like the wife is like, you can't be doing this anymore. Like give it up and he's like, I can do it. I can do this. Just give me more time. Like this is what this fucking guy did and he won. Well, he didn't win, but he made money.

And now he's like, $633,000. So now he's like set, like not set, but like he's okay now. Like, buddy, I guarantee you from what I took him and his wife have had some of those movie like conversations. What are we doing here? You know, we're, we're stretching this out. We're maxed out on that. We're trying.

Are we going to mortgage the home? Get a job. Give up. All this different stuff. And so again, it's, you know, we can be clowns on this show. We like to laugh a lot. sometimes we're in tears laughing. This one was different.

This was an incredible story about a guy who this past, who yesterday changed his entire life forever, changed his life forever. He goes through a lot of what that means. He goes through kind of the stress of always looking at the points, the FedEx Cup points, that when he was playing on Saturday afternoon, he had a great front nine. He teed off with a lead on Saturday. He had a great front nine, and then he made like double double on the back nine. And he said he sat there thinking like, I'm blowing it.

Like, I'm not even going to make $100,000 now all of a sudden. Like, what is going on? Because you always think, like, when you look at the payouts, you think like, man, that pot cost this guy at the end, 200 grand. Do they think about that? He's like, oh, yeah, of course I fucking think about that. So it was a very different and very good interview with a guy who, again, whose life completely changed yesterday. He stopped at a parking lot in a Burger King in Ohio to call us because he was traveling with his kids. And that Burger King had a playground.

So his kids are playing on the playground while he called in incredibly nice dude. We talked about fishing. We talked about the John Deere Classic. Yeah, we did. Oh, Jesus, Frankie. What was that? Oh, no, I don't like the John Deer thing. It's a great tournament.

I don't like that I have turned you against it because we should all like it. You should not have that sort of disgust for such a great tournament. If I ever end up at the John Deer Classic, maybe I'll enjoy it. But everything about it, I guess they say don't judge a book by its cover, but I'm judging the shit out of the John Deer Classic. That was one of the most disgusted noises I ever. disgusted by the John Deerfax. It's because of me, though. It's not because of the tournament.

It's true. I don't even know why. It just turns me off, man. I mean, it is in like Illinois. Right. Silvis, Illinois. It's not even in the four quads. It is in the Quad Cities, by the way.

The person who said that is just wrong. I know I didn't defend it very well because in my head he got in my head about it. In your head. In your head. Zombie. Zombie. Zombie. Zombie.

He's just so in your head. He was in my head about it. But then people were... We do that at tournaments all the time when we walk around. It's the best song of all that. That song is Zombie by the Cranberries has just become the unofficial song of Fourplay. I don't know when it happened, but at one point, Frankie and I were singing exactly what we did just now, down the eight... while we were walking down the 18th, 12th, Pebble Beach.

I think we were fucking so exhausted. We didn't know what else to do, and it just came out of my voice. I was just in your head. I think, oh, maybe we're talking about, like, how the golf course got in our... our head. I'm like, this place is just too much and I just started singing it. It's amazing that the song about being in your head just is the most in your head song of all time. I forgot how we got here, but the guy was in my head about the Quad City. It is in the Quad City. That's actually also the song of the, I heard it this weekend because the Korean

zombie, it's a UFC fighter, that's his walkout song. Really? Yes. Amazing. It's crazy. It's crazy. We just can't get away for that song. Does the place go crazy when they, everybody sings it. Holy shit. It's so cool. It's very cool. That's unbelievably. If people wonder what it's like to walk around inside the ropes with us, we just sing that song like every hole. I don't know why. It just pops up. I don't want a two-down owner here, but I think that what we just did there, that was pretty good singing. That would sound it great.

Jake Shaking and said yes. I think someone tried to like go harmonize. Was that you, Riggs? Did you try and go an octave up? Oh, yeah. Wow. I did. I tried to harmonize it.

Buddy, I'm a harmonizer over here. Oh, don't you don't need to talk to me about harmonizing. My dad, I know he's listening to this. He's probably laughing, probably crying, just listen to me, talk about this. Shout out, Mr. Borrell. He harmonizes like you wouldn't believe. He refuses to sing a song the way the song is saying. He always has to go an octave above or below.

It's every time. Does he do it when he's sing like happy birthday? Yep. Because I feel like there's always that one guy who always tries to take the birthday song. So like, example, a hard day's night. Like it's been a hard day's night. But he'll sing it's been a hard day's night. Every time.

So it's every time. It's like that. One time. I'm seeing the lead. I want you to take the lead on this one, full disclosure, my favorite part is when he goes, ah,

I'm, and I just, I did it early. You did do it early. I just got really excited and I wanted to do it, so I did it early. I thought you were going an octave above.

No, he wasn't. I didn't even know what that means. Shout out my dad who always refuses. You'll never hear him singing the little lead part. Always the background.

Travelers championship, Zach, Suker. Again, a little peek behind the curtain here is that I, in order to say people's names correctly,

who don't necessarily their names aren't on the and he is as it could be like sucker it could be suture it could be suker but i believe it's suker uh i just go watch youtube videos of other journalists saying it and then just try to mimic how they say it so i hope that's correct what is it suker it's suker it's s ucg r obviously and i think it's zach suker okay less problematic than sucker big time yeah it's a huge win for him i guess the other thought would have been suture right but it's apparently it's suker yeah anyways great interview with him enjoy uh ches rievi wins. It's been since 2008, I think, since he had won a golf tournament. What a name

Chez is. Ches is a great name. He's got a real homemade swing, which I like. He's one of those guys when you watch, you know, we've said this on the show. When you watch Roy McRoy hit the golf ball, you can very immediately go, well, I could never do that. When you watch Chez reviated it, you go, all right, that's a kind of a homemade swing. That guy feels like he could be in my for some. I wouldn't even think twice about it. They randomly get paired up with him on a Saturday morning at the local Muni. So I like watching guys like that. He's got He had the, what, the Diamondbacks on his hat, I think is where he's got. He's a big Scottsdale, big Arizona guy.

And a big smile on his face, so Chez Revy seems like a great dude. You know, it was one of those where he had six-shot league going into Sunday. So you're inherently no matter who it is, unless maybe it's Tiger Woods or Kevin Kisner. You're rooting a little bit against them because you just want to see a golf tournament. Keegan, people's golf are 2.0, made a great run. Then ended up double in 17, which kind of ended the tournament. So then the storyline actually became more about Sucker and finishing second. which got him X amount of money and all that stuff.

So Travelers, I was up there for a couple days, kind of hanging out, soaking it all up. Great tournament. I mean, it's gotten a great field over the last several years. It's really built up. JT. Speed, Phil. Obviously, our guy, Kiz, out there.

Bryson was in the next? Bryson was out there. He played really well. We were there a couple years ago. How many years? Two or three years ago now? Two years ago, I think. To follow Kegan with the Kegan's Army,

Keegan versus Everybody shirts. Kier-vers everybody. Yeah, that's a fun tournament. It was a good time to, walk around and just kind of soak it all up. Absolute blast, gorgeous golf course. And you're up in Connecticut, too, which is a place that, I mean, not a ton of sporting events come to Cromwell, Connecticut.

So people were fired up. A bunch of people come from Boston, from New York. Jim Renner was in it. Renner was there. He Monday qualified. The original, the OG people's golf. He Monday qualified and then didn't play great at the actual tournament. Finishing dead last.

I think he might have been DFL, yeah. My first experience with. Just so Jim Renner. My first experience. Dave was like, oh, Jim Renner's in the mix. I'm like, no way. He's like, yay, he's in the travelers. Look, what is he doing?

So we both pull up the score and at and we look and we just keep scrolling. Scrolling and scrolling and goes, Renner's dead last. You almost do that thing where you're like, did I miss it? Yeah, no, he's just in laugh. First time I met Jim Renner was at the John Deere Classic, actually. I made a homemade Renner's Army shirt, drove to Silvas, Illinois, and I followed him around the golf course. Met him, very, very nice guy, obviously. And I tweeted his whole round, and that was the first time I met him.

It was awesome. People's golf for a reason. He's just an unbelievably down to earth. normal guy. He had a bunch of injuries and whatnot, so he's had some setbacks. But Renner, original people's golfer, Monday qualified into the event, so clearly playing a little better, didn't have his greatest showing at the actual event. When you type in Jim Renner on Google, and this is on the desktop version, the picture that

comes up next to his name that's on top of, so it's basically like the Wikipedia version of him, where it's usually everyone's just profile. It's just Jim Renner and Dave Portnoy on a golf course. So that just goes to show how much of the people's golfer this guy is. is that his main Wikipedia photo is him and Dave. Yeah, that really locks it up. But Travelers, it was a great time. They had a gorgeous weekend up in Connecticut,

so it's fun to be out there. Rain at a kid's on the range yesterday. We, of course, on this show, he challenged me. He said he could beat my ass with just a five iron. He said his goal is usually to break 80 when he plays a course with just a five iron. He always plays it for the tips.

That's about my goal, too. Like, if I play really well, I can break 80. If not, you know, I'm in the low 80s or whatever. All the clubs. You get to use all the clubs. I get to use all 14.

He has just a five iron. I'm talking. it's like 25 minutes before kids is teeing off in the final round of the travelers he ended up making like 120,000 or something because he finished like 15th I'm talking it's like 25 minutes before his tea time he still got a shuttle over to the tea and all that I roll up and I say hi to dewey who's best calves on tour and uh kids kind of overhears he goes oh riggs he i was like what's up kids for chat he pulls his five-r-iron i was back immediately he goes let's see you want to see a couple these shots he starts hitting these fucking shots of this fire iron first of all he goes all right he played a hole

in front of my face. He goes, all right, here's the 220. He got hit about 220. He, like, closes his stance, hoods the face, just hits a absolute rope draw. This thing flew probably 205 and just was like, had so much top. Right down the middle? Right, dead straight. I mean, it started a little

right and just slung right in there. Probably flew it, maybe like 2.10 with some serious roll on it. So if it's a firm course, man, that thing's going like 2.30 or 240. Then he goes, all right, now we're 1.30 out. He like, fuck, it opens up the face, hits this like soft, like little baby's swing cut five iron that ended up

landing like maybe 10 yards short and then he's like grabs the he's like I got a little chip here and he like chips it up there and then he kept doing it he hit this one fucking at the end of it he hit this 130 yard big old like cut with it that landed legitimately maybe five feet for the pin with his

from one 30 with a five I saw him he was like opening up the club face and he was like hitting like flop shots with it at one point oh yeah I mean how do you feel yeah how do you feel after watching he's gonna dust him yeah I mean he was a machine the only thing is like I couldn't really tell how good a short game or punting could be. Like, and he, yes, he was, don't get me on.

He could hit these crazy shots with it. But I don't know that he's more accurate from 1.30 with a 5-iron than I am with like a pitching way. Frankie brought up, I think it was last podcast where it's, it's consistency, right? Yes. He's always going to hit it exactly how he wants to. You, maybe not every time. No, not many times. You know what I mean?

And that's where he's just going to consistent you to death. He's good with that thing. He's going to be in the fair way on every hole. Every single one. So he's always going to be in the mix. And he's going to give himself. the shot that he needs for the approach shot. I was thinking, like, I know someone said,

oh, you need a course in which he has, like, maybe water or bunkers and elevated green so that he has to get it up, and he's like to be able to chip. But I don't think he's ever going to come up to a point where he's not going to give himself, like, 180, 170-yard shot to just hit it to the green. Like, he's just that smart, and he just... Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Then again, I guess, like, then you would have to argue that, well, then he'll have to be that accurate off the T with that yardage, right? Like, at some point, he has to be accurate with different yardage. Yeah. Not every hole is just a 400-yard hole where he goes 200 yards, 200 yards.

So he's either going to have to hit it, you know, 235 off the tee and then have 1-80 in or whatever his fucking yard. You know what I mean? Yeah. Or he's going to do it the other way around. So it certainly seems like he's in your head about it. I mean, you see that video of him hitting those fucking shots. He's so good at golf.

He is really good at it. You know, and this is another thing I was tweeting, I was texting a couple of my buddies afterwards who were fucking sending the video to me and laughing is it's like, kids is such a clown. and he gives us such access and he's such a normal guy whenever we see him he goes out of his way

and you just kind of and like we've seen it we gotten like drunk with him all that stuff you just forget man and he's like fucking whatever he is like five nine

140 pounds soaking wet and he is so fucking good at golf like he just stands there talking in his back swing with us chirping him and stuff and was just ripping drives like before he went to the first team man

and I know like we were talking about we had a big debate of Frankie could out drive kids or not I'm talking man he stood right front of me it was like what do you want here rigsie you draw and hit these he smashed these drivers out there on the range with all this wind going on he fucking roasted him i was like oh my god yeah no it's not even close i think it really gives you a look into just how good these guys are obviously they're

professional golfers at the highest level you know that they're very good at golf we watch them play with every single club and they can smash driver they're good at everything but this really shows you just how good they are remember when we stood behind tiger and he's a whole other thing i know we stood behind him at the PGA and we watched him hit his driver and how many different ways he hit his driver. Dude, Kiz was doing that in front of me yesterday. I couldn't believe it. Because you always, we always chirp him.

I mean, Kevin Chappell was chirping when we played out there with him. He's like, yeah, kids just always hits these low hooks. Well, I mean, he stood there. He hit like a high cut, a low cut, a high draw, a low draw with his driver. He did it with his five iron. I was just like, I just try and get the ball off the tee in the air. Like hopefully go straight and in the air. And if it goes a little off.

If you think I'm thinking about different cuts and different back swings and different follow throughs on my T-shot, you're insane. The fact that you can do all those different things with one club really shows you. And they all can. Like you're saying, but the fact that he is the guy that talks to us and, like, in his back swing and we'll drink with us and, like, text you, like, he'll, like, miss a cut and immediately talk to you and be like, hey, like, I see you guys on TV. Like, he's just one of our friends. Dude, he, yesterday. He's that good just is scary.

It's actually alarming. Yesterday, like, PGA tour, I don't have inside the ropes. So I'm just, I was following him, like, walking outside of the ropes. And obviously, like, Cromwell's halfway between Boston and New York. So a bunch of stooys out there. And I think it's like the fourth hole where he hit like driver three iron into that hole and made Bertie. And I'm walking down the fairway like next to him. And there's fucking a bunch of, we ran into a pack of stools.

They're all taking pictures. Kids are walking down the fairway. He looks over. He's just laughing. He's like, this is fucking preposterous. Like, what is going on over there? Then he ropes a three iron in there and makes birdie. And it's like he's interacting with us.

It's just, it's shocking that that man, it's an enigma. that he is that good at golf. He is a legit top, like 30 best player of that sport on the planet Earth. And that's crazy to me. It's just crazy. But watching him hit those shots and all the interaction, I followed him on the front nine. He went out.

He shot a three under on the front nine. I think he shot 32 on the front after all that. After fucking around on the range with me. He shot a three under 32 on the front. Ended up posting, I think tied for 15th, which again was over $100,000. So nice little week for kiss. You will not find another polo, pant or sport shirt.

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Just ultimate confidence. Yep. Yeah. And just like he's a majors only guy. Yeah. He's clearly not going to win the travelers. What the fuck does he care about at that point? No, waste and swings on the traveler's range.

No. No. Not today. No, no, he ate. So that was great. Patrick Reed. I had to tweet this out yesterday. Or no, I think I tweeted out Saturday.

A bunch of people were asking if I was under the spell of Justine Reed or if I was a Justin Reed burner account. And I wasn't taking sides at all. I was simply tweeting out a, uh, a fact of what I've continued to hear. And we actually talked about this about writer cup time, about how we think there's like two different Patrick Reed's because of Justine, when she is around,

when she's not around, she obviously runs the social media, all that stuff. But I continue to hear when this happened the same thing at the travelers from people who are volunteers who like check everybody in and all that. They said they're like, yeah, we check Patrick Reed and we've heard all the rumors and all the stories and on that.

They're like, he was the nicest guy that we dealt with all week. Said he was incredibly friendly. I know guys that worked the range at Shinnecock at the U.S. Open. and they said that he at the end of the U.S. Open, when he was warming up for his final round of the U.S. Open, he had headphones in.

He was in contention of the U.S. Open in Chinat last year for folks that remember, and they said he legit took his headphones out while they were walking by and walked over to them and said, hey, guys, thank you so much for all the help. You guys have been incredible this week and that he's just been an incredibly nice guy to them during the...

And then underneath his voice, he's like, please help me. As he smiled. He smiled and thank you so much, and he took everyone's hand, and then through his teeth. He's like, please. Hands of a napkin. like, please kidnap me. Get me out of here.

I mean, yeah, we're not anti-Patrick Reed at all. We, we have just figured out the truth about what's going on. And it's that he is a very nice guy. It's just when he is around Justine, things change. And he gets a little more aggravated. Maybe he smacks or smashes a club over his knee. We, we're very, I know we had a long debate before we had, we had figured out the truth that we were, where are we out on Patrick Reed? Are we in on him?

Are we out on him? How do we feel? Then once you see what's actually going on, you become very pro-Patrick-Reed in almost a sympathetic way. And we're just, you know, we're big Patrick-Greed guys. Huge Patrick-Gree, guys. In the sense, again, that we understand who he really is. We get it.

We've been alerted to this situation for about a year now, and I like to just relay the things that I hear. I've heard some bad stories, too. There's obviously all the stuff from college. And a lot of the drama that went with that, the family stuff, all that. aware of that and I've tweeted about and we've talked about in this show that that exists

and I'm also tweeting out and telling people on the show that this other stuff exists where apparently a lot of different anecdotes a lot of storylines from folks that have dealt with him and said he was just the nicest guy in the world to him. That's just you being a journalist. That's all. That's just what we're doing. Trying to do our job. Great horse. So this golf course

up in Hampton, Mass. Stop by there on Friday. Myself and Lurch, he'll be back on Thursday by the way and we can kind of talk about a little bit more. But I believe this is going to be the venue for the Whitney match. All right, now we're getting to it. You guys got the bet down. You got the strokes down.

We figured that out. We're out of Pebble Beach. And now it sounds like we may or may not. Of course, things are moving. These guys are incredible this course. So I didn't, you know, I didn't know much about it. They started kind of tweeting at us an email on us last summer when this match between myself and Whitney started to get a little bit of legs and said, you know, you got to come up here.

We'd love to host you. They're big fans of what we do up there. And they have themselves an unbelievable venue. I didn't even know existed. It's a Brian Silva golf course. He also did Black Rock, which is in South Shore Mass. He also did Renaissance, which is kind of North Shore Mass, which are a couple courses I played that I love.

And he came in, touched up what was already a layout there, and sort of completely redid it. This clubhouse sits up on this hill. It overlooks everything. They have so much room out there. Maybe the best practice facility I've ever seen because they have so much space. It was unreal. The showers at this place at Great Horse,

the showers legitimately have windows that overlook the 18th green. So you're just showering, you can just watch people finish on 18 while you're showering. It was something. It was unlike anywhere I've ever heard. A load of these windows go. Yeah, that was just like eye holes.

No, no, the bottom. So, I mean, the windows. It was a good follow-up question. Thank you. So the windows, the showers are up in the clubhouse. So you're way elevated. And the bottom, two-thirds of the windows are tinted.

Okay. So it'd be just like your face. You'd be like, you'd be like a bodiless person. Watch it. Yeah, if people could see. Yeah.

It's perfect. Don't give me your eye. It's perfect. Unbelievable venue. Spectacular golf course that was in perfect shape. Wild bunkering. I posted a bunch of pictures. Bunkers are insane.

Bunkers are just absolutely crazy. They have like jagged edges and they're like, they're scary bunkers. They have so many curves and turns to it. I never seen bunkers like that in my life. Buddy, when you're standing on those teeth, you're looking at all those things. It looks like fire. my ball is going to land in a pit of fire.

Here's a word that Riggs was using a lot to describe this golf course that I found, you know, intriguing. He was using the word delicious a lot. I saw I saw you use that in your Instagram story and in your Instagram post. I think I know. I think I know why. What do you think about that? You wrote great horse, a delicious golf course with no rules and world-class facilities. I think I know why he did that.

He used it twice, Trent. I think he did it because. It took me. It took me. We're at the point now where you and all of us, but you specifically have played a lot of courses, A lot of beautiful, nice courses. It's true. And I think you're running out of adjectives.

Yeah. It's a factor. It's 100% of that. Because we've talked about it on the show before where it's like, we're playing incredible courses. We play supply glass. We play pebble. You can only play so many before you're just like, everywhere we're at is beautiful and gorgeous and awesome. So now you're starting to use words that are not commonly used for describing golf courses.

And you're calling them delicious. Now, I want to say this. You are, I believe, trying to a little bit. put on here that I didn't put a lot of thought into the you no I'm saying you have thought about it and you're like I'm running out of fucking options here well the the word delicious if you really think about what it means right when you eat something that delicious think about what happens right that goes in your mouth you get all those taste buds you sort of digest the entire thing and you get the full experience that was the way that I felt about great horse that the whole thing from start to finish the men and I laid eyes on it until I was done eating that fucking delicious it was delicious okay it was just I don't say that it's the wrong way to describe a golf course. I'm just saying that when I saw Delicious in multiple places coming from you about Great Horse, it just made me think. I was like, what is Great Horse doing?

Did it kind of, did you perk up a little bit? I did. I'm like, delicious. Yeah, I'm like, what's going on at Great Horse. Now, look, people and what Trent saying is also very true. You know, you hear people say that course is pure, pure. Pure. I use that a lot.

Yeah. And we need a new pure, man. How about Kevin just keep saying it's not going to be delicious. I'll tell you. that. It can't be delicious. Yeah, but you can mix delicious in. Dude, Kevin Chapel tagged us in an Aldera Instagram story. Yeah. And he's like, where your boy's at? And I wrote back so pure. It just felt so right to say that. It is right. But everybody says it. Imagine I wrote so delicious. Imagine I wrote so delicious. He blocked me. Somebody's got to be a trailblazer here. Okay. Well, it's not all use it. Pure this, pure this. Every course can't just be pure. Like butter. Just the same thing. Maybe we'll just say. I'm with you. I'm with you on this one. I think that it makes. Yeah, we need another peer. The very fact that we're talking about this means that it caught eyeballs and we're like, why did you use that word? You did do a good job on that.

Thank you, Frankie. Let's figure out what the new pure is going to be because it ain't going to be delicious. That ain't, but can we mix delicious in here and there? No, I don't like it. You hate it. I hated it. I hated it. I'm looking at synonyms of delicious and I think I might have one.

I think next time you do tasty. Oh, no, I like taste. People say tasty on a shot. Yeah, that's a tasty little wedge. I love that. I hate a tasty little wedge. You know what I said that? My guy, Brock Nelson once.

We played and he goes, that was a tasty little wedge. And it made me feel tingly inside. I'm like, oh, a tasty little wedge. Tasty, tasty, buttery. I got mouthwatering, appetizing, flavorsome, flavorful. All those things describe great horse, man. I can't tell you how good. Mouthwiring?

It's mouthful. You see that fucking, you're standing up there about to hit this little wedge shot in an flavor. A flavor some 18th fairway. It's great. I don't hate it one bit. I guess the moral of the story. here is that gray horse is an unbelievable golf course for an unbelievable golf event in which

Whitney will take on rigs and I think I mean looking at these pictures watching you guys come down these stretches like I see this one drone footage this one drone picture you put up and there's water everywhere in this like four whole stretch like if that is that towards the end of the where is that on the golf course so there's a bunch of water kind of in the middle of the golf course like that it I mean it's like four holes in a row it looks like that could be so so so important in this match. Like you guys coming over these water holes and these little like dry. I mean, it looks like it's all over your T shots.

And it's going to be so much fun if you guys can nail this down and this is the golf. Yeah, how locked in are we? I think it's a very good chance. I mean, we obviously, we got to sit down. We've got to go through dates and all that. There's a lot of logistics with myself, with Whitney, with Barstool and Barstool's bandwidth and put on production and all that. But this is, I think it's 90% and this is the venue.

Did you sleep at this place? Oh, I slept there. What does that mean? Buddy, they got a bunch of cottages there. So what happened was, on Friday, we had to do a couple site visits. One, we had to go to Foxwoods. Also. What's that Foxwoods commercial?

Damn. They used to sing a song, man. Burlington Coat Factory. They're more than great coats. That was the first ad song that came to my mind. That's why I did that. Foxwoods, I don't know. I never heard one.

You're trying to call up the Foxwood song right now, Frank. He's trying to pull up on YouTube. I'm watching him. Continue. Oh, the wonder of it all. You don't remember that? No. Oh, fuck.

Way more singing on this episode than any of the other one. It's a musical show for us. Foxwoods. You kidding me? All right, go on. So the next Barstow Classic, July 15th, is at the Lake of Isles, which is Foxwood's golf course. It's at the private course, the South Course.

So we had to go up. We had to film a little bit there. We had to do a site visit because you've got to map things out. And then I figured I would also go up because Great Horse has been very much throwing their hat into the ring and saying, you know, we want to host the event. So I had to go up and check that thing. out. Lurch was with me because he had to go up for a wedding, so we hit both spots up. We get to Great Horse. And I'm like, you know, they give a tour. Like we got a bunch of cottages

and all that. And I was looking for a hotel room to stay anyways. So they were like, why don't you just sleep on property? We gave you this cottage. They gave me a cottage overlooking the whole property. I woke up, fellas, I slept into like eight or nine, woke up, walked right out to the driving range, hit balls for like a half hour. Delicious. It was a delicious experience. It was a delicious experience. So anyways, they're also, they are very likely going to going to be able to host fans. Oh. They thought about trying to sell patrons,

trying to sell like a thousand tickets for fans, spectating and walking along during the match. That could get a little messy. Which could be intense. I love it. They're all for it. So I was thinking maybe if they did do a thousand tickets, we'd do like maybe 400, four play,

400 spitting chicklets and then, you know, 200, whatever, others are random or whatever, but make sure we got like a good mix. So if people out there that are listening, I know a lot of people have been like this, better be a ticketed event, all that. We're working on it. Great horse is a spectacular venue.

Also, a thousand people following the hole in touch. So they'd probably go whole by hole. Oh, yeah. It wouldn't be like a normal, like, tour event where like they'd go all the way out. Like it'd just be all 1,000 people just migrate from hole to hole. It'd be. The drone footage of that would be hilarious. Amazing.

Yeah. It'd be a scene, man. It would look like pictures from like 1900 where people were playing golf tournaments. It's just a big circle around the tree. Just a thousand people moving through the golf course. at great horse two, three, just the whole thing one small moving cloud of people

those pictures that you saw like imagine that course with 1,000 people with like all of our cameras Dave commentating it's going to be a scene so so that's looking like the spot big thanks to Frank Guy Brian obviously is the architect

Billy the pro up there they're all super welcoming they want to host us out there so good chance if you haven't heard a great horse go look it up and go check it out because it's really really awesome whether you are at the range playing around with the guys or on the PGA tour, don't be unprepared for messy situations on the course. Pack some dude wipes and dude shower wipes.

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We are auctioning off a round with the Foreplay Boys. It would be two foursums because there's four of us. You get four buddies. We'll do two of us in each group, do a little game, do a little match, something of that nature. Course is TBD, but it's going to be awesome. We won't do this at like just an average track. We're going to use our connections and make sure we can lock down a really sweet track. The auction ends on Wednesday.

That's why we're kind of rushing it. We don't have the course yet. What this is, it's for, and you guys might have seen blogs for dogs that Barstville's been doing, auctioning off a bunch of different things, pizza reviews. You get to do a guest blog, Erica intern, chicks in the office, stuff. Just a whole list of stuff. Pizza review with Dave. Yep.

What you get, if you are the high bidder, is you get a full day, a full round of golf with the four-play crew. You're going to play with us. You're going to gamble with us. You're going to hang out with us. I'm sure we'll have some drinks. It'll be spectacular. Social teas, animal rescue.

They are non-profit organization. They take abandoned animals from killshadders and houses. They house them in a safe haven with vet care until boom. They're a place and proper home. So unless you don't like animals, in which case you should stop listening to the show, you should love them. You should love social T's animal rescue because they do an incredible job. So you go to dogs. com, and we will also be tweeting out the links.

It's like there's like an eBay link that we're going to have all set up where you go on you auction. So whoever's the highest bidder gets a foursome or gets four guys in? Four guys, you're going to have two with two. But it all comes down for one auction. Right. It's not four different people. Cool. it's the highest bidder.

It's you and three of your buddies. Right. So if you're smart, you should grab three buddies, and you should all pull your money together, and you're just going to beat all the dumb people that, like, put in money just on their own. Like whatever they put in, you should put in,

and then times that by four, and you'll just win, and you'll play golf it. And when Rick says, like, it's going to be out of sick course, like, it's probably going to be an unbelievable golf. Do you see the places that we play? We just played Spyglass, Pebble Beach, MPCC, C, Great Horrors. Great horse.

Yeah. I mean, the list goes on and on, and I would assume that this is going to be just at the same level. I would say outside of like Augusta National, nothing's off limits. 100%. We could be playing this thing anywhere. So, again, do you go to dogs. dartral sports.com or go to any of our channels, okay? Foreplay pod.

We're on Twitter. We're on Instagram. We're on Instagram. These links by the time this podcast airs. The links will be out there. You bid. If you're the highest bidder, you can pull your money. You and three of your buddies will play golf with myself, with Trent, with Frankie, and with

Lurch. It's going to be a great time. So go check it out. I believe that's pretty much all I've got. We will be back on Thursday. It's July 4th next week. Oh, by the way, I want to make a little announcement. I will be doing myself and Lurch and six of our other buddies.

These guys got other things going. And we probably just need a break from each other because we've been doing some goddamn golf tournaments. I need a break like you wouldn't believe. I can't imagine how much you need a break. I can't imagine how much you need a break. I need a break so bad. I don't think anybody needs to break more than Frankie.

do like four jobs. I'm going to break the shit out of this break. You're going to take a great place. Someone's going to say something to me like, Frankie, and I'm just going to be staring out, and they're going to be like, Frankie, it's going to be like a movie scene where, like, I hear just echoing. And I'm going to be like, not now. Whatever it is.

Whatever it is. My house could be on fire. I'm going to be staring at the water. Frankie needs a pool. Frankie, you need a break, pal. You need a break. But myself and Lurch and six of our other buddies, eight of us, we're going to be playing golf in Wisconsin.

We're doing a golf trip across Wisconsin. Hell of a golf trip. of a golf trip. We're doing Lassonia links, Sand Valley, and Whistling Straits. We have like five days off for Fourth of July, which is incredible. So basically, I think it's Wednesday through Sunday.

We're going to be playing a shit ton of golf. So anyone out there who's been telling us, you've got to go to Wisconsin, you've got to get out more to the Midwest and see a lot of these courses. We're doing it. We're posting all over the four-play accounts, where we're filming a bunch of videos,

are we taking a bunch of pictures. I'm going to be on my phones, me on portrait mode. You won't. It might run out of batteries to be doing so much. Sam Valley, Whistling Strait is going to be outrageous. Outrage. So cool.

I can't wait. I was just talking to, I mean, Whistling Straits is such a destination golf course. I was just talking to Kevin Chattonkirk on the Rangers. He's my enemy on the ice, but off the ice, really good dude. You guys had a whole little thing on Saturday. Yeah, we went to this charity event, really good stuff. Cam, it's jam cancer in the can.

So they raise money for cancer awareness, and they play can jam at all these events. Really cool stuff. Great people that run it. But he's going out to Whistling Straits with, like, a huge crew of NHLers, and, like, they can't wait. He was talking. and like they're all pumped up. It looks incredible and I've never,

I mean, I don't know if I've ever even been to Wisconsin. No Aaron Hills. No Aaron Hills. We decided to skip it. So, you know, a bunch of sources who I trust, whom I trust said basically Lasonia Links is maybe the best value in all of golf. It costs like nothing and it's supposed to be one of the more spectacular public courses just from my architecture views, shape that it's in.

I talked to the Friday guys. I talk to our boy, Lynx Jims. We love Links, Jen. They said. Love links, gyms. Love links, gyms. They, you know, because we kind of had, right, like Sand Valley is a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a 18-hole courses. They got a 17-hole part-three course. They've got a bunch of amenities on property.

It's kind of a once you're there, you're there for several days. You know, we're going to be doing, like, grab three clubs and go out and play the part-3 course at 6 p.m. with a bunch of beers kind of thing. And same do at Whistling Straits. They're putting us up there for a couple nights. We're going to be hanging out. There's all kinds of other activities to do. Whereas it felt like Aaron Hills was more.

Our one day we'd have to, like, go out of the way to go there. It's a lot more expensive. And people said if you get it kind of a certain wind and stuff, it just can be a bear. Right. And just beat you up. So we figured our first round of the trip, uh, we want, we had to do, uh, thank you.

Either Losonia or Aaron Hills and we're doing Lonsonia. So if anybody out there can make a great case, then next time I go back, I will do Aaron Hills, but we're just going to skip it this time. Uh, so that's kind of what we've come up with. Again, we'll be back on, uh, on third. What's the episode? I'm a few days. Today's Monday.

Tuesday episode. Yep. Wow. So we will be back. Tuesday, I'm sorry. I'm so bad at that. Yeah, you could never. Remember we did the try to do the New Year's?

That was nuts. You said Frank. We tried booking. Hello. This is me. You haven't heard me since last year. Yeah. But meanwhile, it was the year before.

That was nuts. That was weird. That's because we did the JT episode. We recorded Justin Thomas episode. Put it out later. Yeah, right. So I kind of messed your brain up. But no, you're not great with that.

Did you get any interaction with JT this week? No. No, I didn't really see him. He was, oh, yeah, that's right. There was one moment where he was right in front of me chipping with kids, but neither one of them saw me. And I don't, I never want to do you. So you got to be inside the ropes, man.

That's the difference. I was inside the ropes on the range, but not on the golf course. Got it. Yeah. But in that moment then, too, he was kind of walking by it. I was like 20 feet away, and I don't want to yell because then I'm just like a fan. Yeah. So I kind of just might have a long time with that.

It's tough. Speaking our guy, Bryson's in New York City this week. Today, actually. So a day before you guys are listening to this. He was in New York City yesterday. Oh, no. what's your brain doing it? Can you handle?

I would have love to have him at the office. I just would have. I just would love to have Bryson in here. You're like best friend. I want to bring him in my domain. I mean, he's always, he brings me on to his driving range,

and then I want to bring him into my domain. Maybe I'll lock him in like a, maybe I'll lock him in a room. My, how far you've come from Bryson? You hate him so much. Now you're like clinging like, oh, you're in New York and you didn't come see me. Right.

That is what that's like. I saw you were here. What would you stop by? No? Okay. Okay. What the hell, Bryce? Why do you say, I was waving to you, man.

Yeah. What is that way? Is that my voice, Trent? No, I'm saying it's like... You think I have a dainty little girl voice? Well, you have a dainty little girl kind of body. Body, yeah. It's like if you...

I wore a short sleeves shirt for the first time all year today, and I couldn't tell you how many people told me I was extremely white. Every time you come around the corner, I think you're Vibs. Yeah, I'm not... Yeah, I'm not fucking... If you don't know who Vibs is. He's a guy who also works at bar school, and they guys just have slender, pasty flame.

Gibbs looks like that, what's that lady's name who's like in the news media? She is. Oh, I know. Rachel Maddow? Rachel Maddow. What's that lady's name who's in the news media? The fact that I was able to get from there to Rachel Maddow is tells you how much they, you know. Yeah, they look exactly.

That's like that time Frankie and I saw. We were at hanging out by the practice putting range at Bethpage Black. We ran into a guy who had a camera on his shoulder. And we kind of talked to him. He was a little bit of a stool. And then the conversation died down. And Frankie just goes, are you with the news? That's not exactly.

I didn't say it with that aggression. Yeah, that was like your, oh, it's a dead air. I got to fill it. Oh, hey, are you with the news? The guy walked over to us with a camera. He had like a number 12 written on the fucking microphone part that was attached to the camera. And he's like, what's up guys? I said, what's up?

And he continued to stand there. There was no speaking for four to five real minutes. And I just turned to him, so, you with the news? And he's like, yeah, yeah. Are you what makes things come through my TV? All right. That's end the show. All right.

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What are you doing? Okay, so I'm driving from last week in Hartford to Detroit for the Rocket Mortgage Fiji event. And I'm parked at a Burger King somewhere in Ohio. It had a playground, so my kids are going nuts. I like that. You were like, you know what? The best spot to do this interview? I'm going to find this Burger King.

That's right. So your guy was kind of telling me you're not a big flyer. You like to drive everywhere. Yeah, I don't mind flying by myself, but I like driving a lot. It's not that I'm like scared of flying. It's not I think it must be a control thing. I like to go at my own pace. flying just stresses stresses me out.

I hate how they hurt you through the airport, and you don't know if you need to get there two hours early or 30 minutes. And I also like to travel with all my fishing gear and tackle boxes, and that becomes a hassle. And so, yeah, I like to have all my own stuff, and, yeah, take it kind of at my own pace. And it's kind of, to be honest, like a 10, 15-hour drive doesn't bother me too much. It's kind of relaxing.

You travel, from what I understand, pretty much everywhere with your family, right? That's right. So some of the WebDoc, well, corn fairy tour now, I've got to get that straight. Some of those events are harder to do as a family, but for all the PGA events that are played in, the family comes, and we have a blast. The child care they have set up is ridiculous. So, yeah, we come and we all have a good time. So obviously, travelers, we're going to get to all that and how much that meant for you and kind of being in the mix. How much in the last, I guess, three weeks or a month?

How much have you driven? Like where to where to where to where have you driven? I actually flew to San Antonio, which was crazy. I normally would drive, but the next event I had after that was in Wells Fargo, which in Charlotte, which was quite a haul. So I flew those two, flew back home. We drove to Raleigh back home. had to get home to touch the flight the next morning for the Canadian Open.

So that was fun. We got home at about 3 a.m. East Coast time with the family to fly out the next morning. Flew back home, left my wife and kids at home for the web.com event in Springfield, Illinois, which I drove. It was about an 11-hour drive and then had a – because I wasn't sure where I would play from there, I drove to all of them and said we're going to drive to next. months. So there's about a 15-hour drive from Springfield, Illinois to Hartford. And now I'm on about it's about an 11-hour drive from Hartford to Detroit, and then we'll drive home from there. So we're kind

of cross-country to it right now. What's the most important thing you, what's about driving, being on the road, like when to stop for gas, when to stop to take a piss? What's the number one thing you've learned? What's a tool of the trade of you would? I'll tell you what. If I'm driving by myself, by far the number one thing to have is have a good book on tape ready to go. That's what kind of relaxes me. If I get into it, I'll go for like five hours straight and it feels like nothing. And with the family, that's a little harder. With the family, it's 100% make sure the kids are fed and they've gone to the bathroom

because otherwise you're stopping every 10 minutes. So you get about three hours of them both sleeping. It's amazing. So when you're by yourself, what kind of books are we, what kind of audio books are we doing here? We're doing history. We're doing fiction. We do in fantasy.

Let us know. What kind of books are we getting into? The book says, hey, you should get on a flight. If it was history, I'd be asleep in two hours. No, so I've gotten into, I've done all the Game of Thrones stuff. Lord of the Rings. I did The Hunger Games a few years ago. I really like to do a series, something that has like at least three books

because then it knocks out a bunch of trips if I get into it. I've got a lot of books done in the last three or four years. So somebody told me you're such a big, you know, fisherman that you bring your rod out to round sometimes and just fish in the middle of a practice round. Exactly right. I have a poll that will break down and I make my caddy carried around with a little bag of lures.

When I travel, when I fly, it always goes in the golf bag. And I've ruined a few rods that way, but that's okay. It's well worth it because there's no better place to catch a big bass than on a golf course. No one ever fishes them, and they've got plenty of food there. What's the biggest bass he pulled out of one of those ponds? I'm from, you know, Trent and I are both Midwestern guys. I'm from Missouri. He's from Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

So, you know, we've done a lot of especially with a lot of large mouth. What's the biggest bass you pulled out of some of those pounds? So pretty upsetting that I've never gotten one that goes above 10 that I'm sure of. I think I've gotten a few that would push really close. But whenever I've had my scale I've had, I have three with a scale that went over nine and under 10. And I probably have four or five more that looks really similar. But I can't get, I'm not going to get myself in the 10 pound club without a scale to back it up. So lots of, a lot of nine-pounders, I'm still waiting on something that goes to it.

I like that you're checking yourself there. Like, now, Zach, I know you want to do it, but does the, does the fishing community, like, they come after you if you claim to be in the 10-pound club and you're not in it? No, I just can't say I'm in the club without proof. It's got to be, I mean, you've got to have a picture to back it up. So what are you just, you got to let you just wave people through that are playing in these practice crowds? Hey, you know, I'm fishing. I'm trying to catch a fake 10-pound bag. ass over here?

Normally when I fish, and this is another golf course thing that's so much fun is I love doing top water. I'll take a two-pounder on a top water over a five-pounder, regular fish of any day. It's just fun to see him strike and do all that. So usually when I'm fishing, it's early morning or late in the day when it's not too crowded and yes, it's waving through. Most of them I think are pretty jealous. They're not fishing.

I like that. All right. So you've obviously got an incredible story. We've been doing, you know, some research, reading about it from the medical and the injuries and all the stuff. Let's go back to, you know, UAB, college golf and kind of walk us through our story or through your story of how, you know, you go from college golf or you love basketball. You might have played more basketball than you did golf at that time to now, you know, you're in contention and finished T2 at a PGA tour event. Yeah, absolutely. I was trying to decide where to go to college golf at.

I had had a few offers to play college basketball that I briefly looked at, and I'm so glad that I was able to realize that there was absolutely no potential to go any further with basketball. Early on, because part of the reason I picked UAB was because they were doing awesome in basketball. I love the golf coach. Coach Kaufman was the best. But I kind of had it narrowed down between UAB and Kentucky as where I was going to play golf at. And that year that I was deciding, I think they met Kentucky was a one-seed. They met in the NCAA tournament, and UAB took down overall number one-seat Kentucky.

And I think that was the decision. At that time, there was Mike Anderson with the coach. They were the fastest 40 minutes of basketball. It's ridiculously fun to watch. And so that was kind of, to be honest, that was one of the big deciding factors was basketball has created both at the time. And so I ended up picking UAB and my first year there, I did. I honestly probably spent more time in the gym playing basketball than at the

bus course. If it wasn't, I mean, it was fairly close. Our coach had, we didn't have a workout regimen, but we had to sign. in at the UAB rep for at least five hours a week. And the first, the first week we had to do it, I ended up signing in like 43 hours or something at the wreck. And so our coach called me in, he thought I was lying about it. And he thought I just forgot to sign out or something one day. And then he ended up being mad at me for playing so much basketball. injuries that would come with playing basketball.

But I got kind of tied in with some of the UAB basketball players. They joined in on the rec games. The coach would come and he would, this is before they could practice officially as a team. So they'd all show up there and practice all officially. Yep, well, captain's practices? Exactly right. And so, I mean, I was a, I was a computer.

I was a lot lighter than I am right now. I thought I could move around decently and it was the most resounding good call on not playing college basketball and I'd ever had a couple practices in a ring. I had a guy sneaky Johnson that was a point guard

at the time and if he didn't want me to get the basketball there was nothing I could do to get it and I couldn't run off any screen I couldn't get a foot away from this guy if he didn't want me to And so it was pretty cool to say, like, I'm so happy because for a while, like I said, I thought about going to Division II or junior college and playing both sports. And, man, I was so happy about that tall.

But, yeah, I had a great time to be.