Fore Play - The Golf Media Ecosystem with Kira Dixon & Leona Maguire

Episode Date: January 27, 2022

Kira Dixon (00:51:03), former Miss America now turned Golf Channel reporter, joins to discuss her unique career trajectory. From traveling the world & representing the United States to interviewing Tiger Woods and golf’s biggest stars. Before Kira, Solheim Cup MVP Leona Maguire (00:34:15) joins to talk about destroying the US at Inverness, her rigorous training schedule, difficulties of being a pro golfer, and more. We also address Lurch’s double life, behind his back of course.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, I'm presented by Barstool Sports. It's just a little threesome here. We got myself, Trent and Frankie. You guys are in studio, Lurch is not here. Threesome, I guess, would probably the wrong. It's probably the wrong.

Probably the wrong terminology, but accurate. I'd lick your tits first in a threesome. Welcome to the Barstle Golf Show. Trent, what's that hoodie? It's a Buda Ben hoodie. Dude, that's fire. Thank you. Man, that's the most aggressive way to ever start a podcast.

Yeah, that was really, I mean, I apologize. No, you don't have to, certainly don't have to apologize to me. That was, that was actually a compliment. Have you thought about licking his titty? No, I just thought about how I would, how would I start it off. And I looked at Trent and I said, yeah, that's probably where I would start. Woo! Whoo!

Who's right. Yeah, this is a boot up. Is that how they start? Does somebody just start? I don't know, man. You say where you just started? What are you doing out? Be cool to find out.

Wow. Wow. You think, what do you think? Keep it? Um, shit. That's hard. Hey, we got two guests on this show. Oh,

We got Leona McGuire, who was an absolute stalwart for the European team in the Solheim Cup, decimated America, which obviously sucked. But she's a stone cold killer. She's on this show for 20, 30 minutes, Jake Bass. How long we have her on the show? About 20, 25 minutes. I really like her. We interviewed her in person down when we were in Orlando. And Silent Killer is the best way to put it.

You almost have to watch that one on YouTube because when we say, things to her about the Americans or about her golf game or about match play. She just smiles and grins and smirks. And I thought she was great. I really liked having her on the show. She was very serious. First introductions were just very much, hello, hello, hello with a handshake. And I was like, whoa, this is going to be a weird one because she's very into it and serious. And I didn't know if she was going to be able to kind of like flow with us. And immediately you could tell that she was just had the best personality ever loves the game of golf loves to talk about the game of golf loves to talk about competition loves to beat americans apparently on the golf course so um no everything

about her was awesome and i really really enjoyed that interview it was one of those shocking ones because she just came off the rain she said she was there hitting balls since like eight a m and i just didn't it felt like we were like impeding on her yeah um like her workout and of the winter and like getting ready for her season and um and she couldn't have been better and it was one of my favorite interviews interviews of the week because she is. Stone cold killer, man. Stone cold killer. It's a good point too because she was,

she's one of those via text. She came off way different that she is in person. Like every text she would send would have like an exclamation point. I'd be like, hey, Leona, like we'd love to have you on the podcast. I got your number from, you know, one of the guys at the Hilton Grand Vacations. And then she'd be like, hey, exclamation point. Like, I'd love to be on the show. And then when she came on, she's a stone cold killer.

Yeah. Which is just different than that type of texting. but she was cool. She was awesome. She's going to be an absolute star. She's clearly going to win a bunch of tournaments. And we had her out. She was cool. And then we had Kira Dixon on as well, who, 2015, I believe, she was Miss America. And she has transitioned into, obviously, golf reporter, journalist, after rounds. She does a bunch of the post-round player interviews. And we got into some of the weeds, I would say, into like the nervousness, the bloopers, what it's like asked of the question. at a lot of the kind of ins and outs of what goes on with like post round interviews, which I actually found really interesting.

Yeah, I thought so too because we're technically in the same world as her, right? But we, and she mentions this, she talks about it as an ecosystem. We represent very different ends of it. And there's, there's all different types of golf media and everybody kind of falls in their own lane in the ecosystem. So having her talk about that and talk about what it's like to be on live TV and having to say something and coming up with questions, listening to the person you're interviewing.

I thought that was a really interesting side of it because on this show you get the stupid shit for the most part. And for her, she is like very professional. And if you ever watch Golf Channel or any of the coverage of the tournaments, you know who she is. And she's great on the coverage. And I thought she was great on the show. She was the, she is

the exact opposite, I would say, of Frankie. She is like Frankie you're a little dark and sort of pessimistic about stuff she is like bubbly and optimistic and just super positive about everything um and you know it was one of those where it's like you don't we have a pGA tour player on it's clearly like oh this could be they've won terms we have her out i was like you know what exactly we're going to talk about and we could have talked to her for four hours it feels like her ability to kind of convey

what it's like how she got in the spot that she's in and then what it is like behind the scenes as players are wrapping up their rounds you know what's going on

the microphone it was fascinating like you could have listened to her talk I feel like all day long about it I thought it was really interesting I tried to bring her down

to my level you did pessimicity I mean pessimism fuck yeah for Riggs is right that you guys are

opposites to a degree because you guys guys, I wouldn't, budding heads is the wrong way to describe it, but you guys throughout the interview, you tried to bring her to your level. She was about to tee off in the, um, in the tournament playing with, you know, Lydia Coes and the Daniel Kangs of the world. And I said, aren't you nervous? You have to go hit golf shots in front of these people. And she's like, well, I wasn't really thinking about that. So, so a lot of that was, uh, me trying to show her the way that I think about the world. And she's very much the opposite where she sees the good in the world. She likes to be

happy. She likes to take everything in. and just go with it in stride. And I like to be nervous about it. I like anxiety. I like to talk about all the bad things that are going to happen. So yeah, it was a nice little mix there.

And yeah, she was great. I do want to say that a little peek behind the curtain. We were on our way to Disney right after that interview. Yeah. So if that interview was cut a little bit shorter than it should have been, that's maybe on me. We could have talked to her for two hours.

And I was just, all I kept thinking about was entering those doors at the end of that interview. I'm like, we're about to leave here and go to the happiest place on it. You had Mickey Mouse on you. I had Mickey Mouse on the brain. I didn't think we cut it. We didn't.

I'm just saying like, we could have talked for seven hours, but I remember just being like, all right, we just got to, we had a great interview. Now we have to go to Disney. I remember giving it someone a look being like, we got to go to Disney. Yeah, we'll definitely have her back on. We have to because we could talk to her for about a lot more things. And I did a lot, like, she won Miss America. Yeah.

And full disclosure, like, I didn't know much about that prior to us interviewing her. Like, I knew that she was Miss America. I knew that that was a storyline, but like, I didn't like, had, I hadn't read up on it. I didn't, like, go back and watch, like, how she wanted and all that stuff. And, like, I ended up going back, like, she's a fucking superstar. Yeah. Winning Miss America is no joke.

It is no joke. Yeah. You are, like, paraded around, like, the president. It's crazy. I knew nothing about winning Miss America. Like, you know, I thought maybe they, like, I thought bad things about it. I thought they, like, keep you in a fucking cage. And, like, they were, like, come out when you're supposed to, like, walk across the stage.

Like, I don't, I think there's bad, um, there's, um, there's, um, um, there's, um, um, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, like people think poorly of pageants and, and pageant moms and all that stuff. It's got a strange reputation. Weird stigma and reputation is the word I was looking for. And I think she just kind of like crushes all those because she's like the happiest,

nicest and most down-to-earth person ever. Feels like she probably just went right through that whole entire system and just crushed everyone and just left. You know what I mean? Like everything about her rise to the top in like the, in the, in the pageantry world, like she just stunned them.

Like she's not exactly. exactly what you're supposed to be when it comes like that that when I think of like the pageants I I don't think of Keir Dixon you know what I mean I think she's like such a normal person yeah the reputation is much different yeah yeah you think of like a stuck up like oh I have to have my hair like ruthless if you're not dressed a certain way like you're you guys only I'm and I'm and she does not like that at all she did that she did that she just showed up and won't and got her mask like the whole oh she's amazing yeah the whole story of her trajectory is very very interesting she was amazing

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Maybe it was like when I was joining shows when I could, and I may have missed that interview. Yeah, I think it was a long time of weird murky waters where I just didn't show up to the podcast. Well, yeah, you would come in from the gallery. We'd bring in for questions and then we slowly integrated. I kind of just picked and choose when I wanted to do the podcast, kind of like Lurch. Whenever you weren't doing pizza reviews. Right.

If you were doing pizza reviews. He's not here. So I do think this is a good time to talk shit about him. Yeah. He doesn't show up. Uh-huh. No, I thought that was a clean shot that you gave him. And he would say, I know what he would say.

They got a real job. Yeah, we've had these discussions a million times. This isn't a real job, I guess. Yeah. See, there's that negativity for me. No. No, I love Lurch. I really do.

You can see, I'm starting to, Lurch is starting to grow on me on these fucking trips. and Ben and Dunes he was great. He's a great trip guy. He's a great guy. He's just a great. He's an infuriating person. He's a great guy. He's like perfect in person.

He's like he's so, he's a little bit like we were just talking about Kira. He's like bubbly and infectious and he's like hugging people that he sees. And he's a great trip guy like you just said. But when anybody's not here, whether it was me, whether it was Trent, Lurch, we're going to talk shit. We have to talk shit about. He's a, he's a fantastic human being. lurch and I'm glad to have him as a friend. I just wish we could figure out how he can get on the show more.

That's just me being honest. Yeah. And full disclosure, we're pulling the curtain back on this show a lot today. But, you know, he has a schedule. He has meetings. He has calls and all these things. And he can't just miss his other jobs. So, like, we're not going to, we're not going to, like, not do the show when we can do the show.

We have three people moving around all over the place. Riggs is in Arizona. Trent's doing bachelor stuff. I'm flying all over the place. There's no way we're not going to do it at 11 o'clock. night because that's when he stops doing his fucking phone calls. So whenever he can take some time off of his job or maybe in between calls or maybe in between his job's insane, by the way. The guy travels more than the president. I mean, he drove from like Colorado to fucking Washington and like he had drove,

he literally drove there. So it's like the stuff he has to do is insane. He is whatever the platinum, the highest level of every airline in the world, he has it. Yeah. Because he travels so much. Every time we go anywhere and he is in like a normal seat like the rest of us or whatever, he walks up to that desk and just says, I'm Ben Lurch and they just give him whatever he wants. Because he has so much racked up because he really, his job is insane. He travels. Well, shout out. I mean, AXon has one hell of a worker on their hands.

That guy travels the world for that company. He is, we've seen the other side. I cannot believe how much that guy works. He works nonstop. Yeah. last year, I always try to shove this down people's throat to like get a little bit of sympathy. I took 93 commercial flights last year. Lurch just took more. Like, yeah, that's like nothing.

And he travels infinitely more than that. He is on the road all of the time. Yeah. Yeah. And shot like when we when we're done with the podcast, he has calls after that. You know what I mean? So he's constantly working. He's doing this thing.

You know, one day we'll bring him over here so we can get that big brain and head just fully on to the podcast. so we can take this thing to the fucking moon, but until then, we'll figure it out. Lurch is, you know, he's just Lurch right now. I also think Lurch-Schnie hates being called Lurch. Really? Well, I don't know about that. I think he loves it.

I think he kind of loves it. No, I think he likes Ben. I think he always tries to be like, hey, I'm Ben. Like, they kind of call me Lurch, but like I'm Ben. Yeah, I've heard that. He does do that when we need you people. Well, he thinks this whole thing's like a joke.

Like, he always said, yeah, because these guys that call me lurch on this, like, thing we do on the internet. It's like, dude, it's the biggest golf. podcast on the fucking line. We're like, no, that's like why you're meeting this person. Literally the biggest golf podcast on the planet. Look at the stats.

He just like acts like it's just a thing. But he's very polite too. So like when he introduces himself, I think he feels a little embarrassed that he has to say the name Lurch to like the owner of a golf course or something. You know what I mean? We're meeting some like he doesn't like people sometimes. This is a lot of shit talk behind Lurch's back. I think it's fine. It is fine.

No, I think he would appreciate that we're actually talking about it because this guy fucking has, he lives two lives. Yeah. And I'm sure people are curious sometimes. So curious. Like, why is it only the three of us sometimes? And it's just like, Frank. And he missed so many podcasts in the last like two months. So they have to know.

Yeah. And it's like like Frankie's saying, like Riggs is all over the place doing a bunch of different things. I'm sometimes doing different things when The Bachelor is on, which now feels like 365 days a year. So whenever we can fit it in, we fit it in. And if it's just the three of us, that's just what it is. Lurge gets a little bit screwed on that sense too because we originally Tret and I, little peek, more peaks behind the curtain. and with Frankie.

Trent and I originally were told you could do the podcast but it can't interfere with your actual jobs, which was blogging, 8 a.m. till 8 p.m. so we would record the podcast at like 9 p.m. on like Monday or Tuesday.

And then once we added Frankie, Frankie was doing pizza reviews and working for Dave all the time. So we would again have to at not usual work hours, we would like sneak into the podcast room and record a podcast for Frankie. So now when we get a time

where we could just record our podcast in the middle of a work day and live like a real life afterwards and go to, I don't know, dinner or something with our friends. We choose to do that and Lurch gets fucked because he has actual day job because this isn't a real job. And he, you know, misses shows a lot. So you're right, Reggie. There's a lot of the stuff that even he didn't see like, like you just, Lurch didn't

really see all that. And he's kind of like, it's not like naive to all that. But he doesn't understand how hard it was at the actual office to get this podcast up and running in a way that we wanted to. I mean, we literally hid the fact that I was on the show. I was publicly on the show for a year and a half and we hit it from Dave Portnoy. He didn't know. He didn't know that I was on the show.

He never once, like, there was never a time when he needed me that I wasn't there. So we had to figure out how to do two shows a week while me doing all that. And I was constantly. So like that was five years, man. That's like, that's a long time to build something up and try and get to a schedule and like a lifestyle that we really want. And luckily, like the way you listeners, listening to it right now. Everyone's really, you know, warmed up to the show and everyone loves it.

And we're putting out videos every single week now. Our YouTube fucking pages is the most busiest page at Barstool. Our YouTube page, Jake and Brendan are cranking out videos nonstop. Go look at our uploads. It's insane. We don't put up a video less than a fucking hour long. It's crazy. And it's every single day. This week, we're putting out abandoned episode, which Brendan cranked out. And then right after that on, so that's coming on Tuesday, which it'll be out when you're And then tonight, when this podcast comes out, we've got the whole entire Disney fucking episode coming out of us going to Disney and experiencing that and the whole vlog. And that was just turned around within a couple days. So it's nonstop.

And we want Lurch on the, we want Lurch on the bandwagon. We want them on the train that's going 10,000 miles an hour because this is a new year to. 2020 is going to be the biggest year of four play yet. We want Lurch on the train with us. And whenever he can make, he can make it. And I hope he can make it more. That's just my, that's me being honest. I want Lurch to be here on the show more because I like having him around.

Maybe I'm growing a heart. Maybe the Grinch is growing a heart a little bit. I like having Lurch around. I like calling him a piece of shit to his face. I enjoy that. That's a good, that's a good little back and forth that we have. That's a fun relationship to have.

It's an amazing relationship we have. And if you don't think that me and Lurch is like actually buddies, like, I like, you should have seen us walking around like Florida, like the way that he's just a good guy. He's just a good guy to be around. He's a very good person. He's a great guy. He has a big heart. I think overall this was an extremely positive behind his back shit talking about Lurch.

Yeah, we're never going to do it to him because he'll just go, whatever, and just kind of wave us off. So it has to be done behind his back. Get a little negative. I want to hear a little negative. And the people deserve to know because they listen to every goddamn show and they want to know. I mean, when I listen to podcast and I watch shows, I want to know when like one of the characters aren't showing up. Yeah. He's a fucking character on a show.

That's who he is. He's Ben Lurch Severance. and he's the fourth mic on four play podcast, the number one golf podcast on the planet. And when he doesn't show up, people are like, where is he? So we are answering your questions. We don't know where he is today.

He also fights a tough life because, and as he said to us, you know, he, like, runs and manages the sales team that if they look and see or feel like he's out just frowlicking around playing golf on a fucking Tuesday, then they're like, well, how am I supposed to work hard for you? Meanwhile, he's, like, balancing two different jobs. So I couldn't agree with you more. I think that he deserves a ton of credit, and I know that our listeners are invested.

That's why Lurch isn't here today and why he misses a lot of shows. He's out there grinding and working really hard. I'm going to do another ad read, and then we'll throw it to the interviews. You guys are okay with that? I'm good with that. Speaking at grinding and working hard.

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I can't believe that's how you started the podcast, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. He's on his phone. What did you say? Sorry, I got a funny text, so I looked at it and laughed, and I didn't hear what you said. He said he can't believe that's how you started the show. Oh, well, it's the worst way that anyone's ever started a show ever.

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They're both great. They're both quite different. And they're both obviously super involved in golf, golf industry. We'll be around for a very long time. So enjoy these two interviews. All right, folks. We're joined for the very first time. We got Leona McGuire, who I have to say,

you were a serious problem for the United States of America and the Solheim Cup. dominant performance how did that feel yeah i mean i think it was one of the best weeks of my life um you kind of you picture how these things go you dream about how these things go but that was that was something out of a movie or a tv show not not what i expected at all but a lot of fun to be there and you've got some history um i believe you and your sister with the rider cup when you guys were how old we're about 11 or 12 i think yeah 11 years old so you've been like dreaming a team golf forever Yeah, 100%. I mean, I think growing up as a twin, you're almost like a little mini team in yourself,

and then playing Junior Radar Cubs, Junior Solan Cups, you get that taste of, you get to watch after you're done, and you go around watching, like, the big teams, and sneaking under the ropes and seeing them hit shots and hold those pots. And yeah, you dream about being there one day, and nice that it actually happened. We've had a lot of discussions on this show about Team Golf and European Team Golf versus American Team Golf. Do you think the way you guys kind of play over in the game? the UK over in Europe gives you a little bit of an advantage when it comes to team golf? Yeah, I mean, that's...

You know, cards are not quiet around here. We're on a golf course, everybody. That's a big question, I guess. We roll up playing a lot of match play and a lot of team golf. I guess the fact that we're in our own countries. European team championships were always a big one every summer for us, and home international is where we play like England and Scotland Wales to play against each other and Curtis Cops and all that sort of stuff.

So we're definitely very used to playing match play and team golf. and I think we enjoy it as well. We enjoy playing forces, the strategy that goes along with it. And, yeah, I think we just, we probably have that passion and stuff that comes to those sort of weeks. People need to embrace that more over here.

It's like, because we film a lot of videos, put up videos, and everyone's like, what exactly did you shoot? You guys were picking up here, and we're like, well, we're playing team. Like, we're playing two on two. We're playing basketball. We like the strategy, too.

Like, sometimes I'll put, and maybe I'll give my partner the read, and he'll say, no, Frankie, you're good. And, yeah, I may have missed that, and my score won't reflect that miss, make, or whatever, but match play for us is so much more fun than me just going out there and trying to put a burden on my scorecard. That's a little personality to the game with out.

Yeah, it does. Yeah, I mean, it's different. I mean, it doesn't really matter what you shoot. You just need to be better than whoever you're playing with. And there is a little strategy that goes to it. There was a couple of times during the Solon where I was surprised at the Americans, especially that Cup Chosalice match. They let me put on, I think it was the 12th, that I was shocked.

they let me put and then I gave them out the line and she hold the pot and I felt like that was massive in the entire match and there's just a few things like that that over years of playing match between team golf you kind of you pick up as you go along you can't necessarily teach when you're standing over that are you like I can't believe I'm they're letting me do you like rushing the butt no I mean I was I probably didn't think of it quite at the time but in hindsight definitely was was surprised they they made me pick it up or didn't make me pick it up and even I mean that first match against me and Georgia we were playing and four balls against, was it Brittany and you let me know.

And Beanie walked over and told George to tell me to pick up my pop as I was going to give Brittany the line. And there's just little things like that that may not matter, but why take the chance? It is totally different too because you go from playing the course, playing the course, playing the course, the mentality of playing against them. And it's just a different approach to go about it.

You know, if they're on the tee and we saw this at the Sony, Hemley put it in the bunker. And then Matsuyama pulled back and hit the, something more that he could know that he get in the fairway and go full three wood because it switched from, you know, playing the course to just a match play versus him and how do I ensure that I beat him? So, yeah, I mean, momentum is huge. Right. You just need to hit that one shot at the right time. If it's a pod, if it's a drive, but you hit the fairway and all of a sudden that fairway just becomes a little bit more narrow. Those bunkers get a little bit bigger. So, yeah, it's all about hitting

those shots at the right time. You look like you enjoy twisting the knife a little bit and wrenching it down. Yeah. your shoulders. It's one of those things. It's nice for me, knowing that we came out on the right side of it, but, you know,

just as easy the next match, you golf's a humbling game, so you can turn around pretty quickly. Isn't momentum an amazing thing? It's just an invisible, like, not real thing? That's incredibly real. Yeah, I mean, you can't quantify it at all.

And I mean, our entire team said that that half point that me and Mel got that Sunday afternoon, it was a half point. It was only a half point, but it felt like about three points in the grand scheme of it.

And that was, because of momentum and it just it changed the energy that evening and kind of gave us that little bit an extra burst that we needed heading into the singles how does it fire you up playing in front of like a hostile crowd that's rooting against you um i mean i'm pretty easy going i didn't i didn't really engage too much with the crowd i guess i think mal maybe got a little bit more of the crowd than i did she also probably got a little bit more heckling than i did but yeah i mean it's it's nothing had ever experienced before having people cheer when you missed a pod not knowing i guess the way the greens were at inverness there was a lot of raised green so we didn't know where the ball had finished

so you knew if the crowd clapped it was either a really really good shot that they had to clap or the ball had just trucked over the green there was no in between so they're like forced into it we had like three or four europeans around every green that you kind of you'd hit your shot and you'd look towards them for the for the reaction of that thumbs up whether it was good or not that was a really fun course to watch I mean, it was an incredible golf course. We said it at the time. It's a U.S. open venue, and it's nice that we're going back there in a few years.

Yeah. So you have been over in the States for a while. I believe you had the number one ranked amateur for the longest period of time ever. How do you kind of work to, you know, translate that? Is there a lot of pressure that comes with trying to translate that to the professional game? Yeah, I mean, I think that's, I suppose, when I was in college, was probably a big fish in quite a small pond and then you tone pro and nobody really cares you're kind of you wipe the clean again you're you're a small fish in a very big pond so lots of new things to figure out um

obviously college you're you're in that team environment all the time you've your coaches your teammates everything's done for you know exactly where you need to be when you need to be and then you turn pro and you you got to figure it out you've got to do everything for yourself so a little bit of adjustment and lots more travel lots more events but sort of use 20. to figure that out and I felt a bit more comfortable last year. How do you like the pro life? It's good. I mean, it's the best office in the world. It changes every week, but it sure beats any nine to five that I can think of. Are you like scheduling all your own? Do you have somebody

a team that kind of handles your hotels and your bookings? Do you like to book them? Like, how do you handle finding places to eat on the road? Like, how do you handle that whole side of it? Yeah, I mean, I'm lucky that my twin sister works for my management company. So she's very nice with everything so she books all my travel accommodation amazing replies a lot of my emails before i even said it in my inbox which is nice by the way i did this i did this i'll see the the confirmations pinging on my my hotels or whatever it is so yeah she she looks after pretty much all of that so makes my life a lot easier she played for a while a little bit right she played in college at dick with me as well okay professionally for for a few years and then she's actually

she's gone back to dental school so she's two years really and that so that's quite a change of pace but it's nice that she still sort of working part-time at my management company and came out this summer for a few events. I think that helped you growing up having that competition all those years. Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, we competed at everything. It doesn't matter if it was something in the back garden or board games or cards or golf. I mean, when we were younger, you'd go to an event and I'd come off the course.

I didn't care what was leaving. I just want to know what she shot. I beat her or not. We brought each other on without even realizing that she beat me one day. She was better when we were younger. She was bigger, taller, stronger. She had it further. So I was all the time trying to just catch up with her, beat her.

And that brought us on without realizing. And also had like a buddy to go out of the course all the time, play little matches against whatever. You're never sort of by yourself. We reference this movie all the time, but it's the King Richard with Venus and Serena Williams and how they both kind of just pushed each other to the finish line. obviously one person gets there more than the other person or whatever, but it's amazing how much that helps, obviously, the growth of your just competitive spirit and you can see it when it comes down to team play and everything.

Yeah, I think that, yeah, it definitely turns over to that match with that team, team sort of thing. And it's something that I haven't noticed I did. People have commented when I came over to America, I always talk in we a lot, because it was always, we did this, we did that. I don't say I a lot because it was never about me. It was sort of our parents was like either one of you, Both of you're doing her, that's it. You look after each other.

I mean, I remember one of the first sort of bigger events we went to. We went, Lisa won. She got this really nice Adidas, pink jacket. And Dad went in at the pro show and got me won as well. Because it doesn't matter who won. Both with the same effort. I don't want any fights on the way home. We will get him the same.

Making it easier for himself. You two in the backseat. We were in finals together growing up. Some she won, some I won. It was always a quiet ride home in the car, but we used to be patched up pretty quickly. When did you know that this was going to be your life? Like, when did you know you were going to be able to take that leap?

And it's obviously different coming from the UK to the States. Everything's really based here. A lot of, like, the things that you're going to have to do. We went to Duke, right? So that's all, you know, not risky, but it's, you know, it's a big leap for you to come over and do all that stuff. Yeah, I mean, we'd played a few times over in the States, junior Radical Cup, Junior Solheim Cup.

And, I mean, we got whitewashed and both of those. I'm pretty sure the Americans were. a lot stronger than us. Curtis Cobb was a little bit closer in 2010, and bit by bit, the college coaches come over to a few events during the summer. They used to go to British girls and sometimes the Europeans and stuff. So we knew what the college thing was, didn't really know what was involved, just knew that the coaches were always there and they're matching gear,

and they always looked cool and fancy. It seemed like a cool thing to do. But we went to the USAM and Charleston in 2013, and it was pretty clear that the best players there were either in college or going to college and it was kind of in Ireland you can if you go to college it's so specific there's no college sports like there is over here you either pick your job or you go down the sports route there's no kind of both so we knew if we wanted to sort of pursue both get a good education and have a chance of going professional America was the way to go and yeah lucky that that Duke was one of the options

so first event of the year is your hype level incredibly high yeah I mean ready to go. It's one of those things where last season seemed like it was, it was almost like a two-year season, and then you get two months off, and it seems like a long time, but it comes back around pretty quickly. So nice to start off with two in Florida. It would be even nicer if I was getting to play the tournament champions here at Nona. But yeah, I guess watching the girls this week will be making me a little jealous and sort of try and make sure I'm here next year. Is it weird after two months off? Like we, we, because, you know, sometimes we're, we're pretty bad at golf, right? So every time, you know, we'll take quite a few weeks off, months off,

whatever it is. Sometimes we go out and we play the best golf we played in a long time because you don't have any band-aids, you don't have any scar tissue in there. So like after a long period of time off, what's that like for your? The first couple swings, like, whoa, or is it pretty standard? Do you hit balls the whole time? Yeah, I mean, I went home for four weeks, so it was a little chilly in Ireland. Did a lot of sort of inside and a simulator and stuff like that. So it's a little different getting out here swinging in a few less layers of clothes, but made a few tweaks to my clubs. So still trying to figure out that, nail down the arches and stuff. There'll be a little bit of rust, but sort of ease ourselves back into it these first two weeks

in Florida. I have three weeks off against. It's like a mini-start and then hopefully be fully ready to go in Singapore and Thailand. Do you watch much golf? Will you watch any of the golf this week? I'll see. I have a few friends playing, so I might go give them a little bit of hassle. Yeah.

Yeah, Melger and the week and Georgia and that. But, yeah, I mean, I'll be, I need to get ready myself for the week after. so I'll watch a little bit, but probably not a ton. Live sports, baby. We talked about live sports a lot this week on Barcelona sports, but just past weekend was probably maybe the best sports, just football, sports viewing weekend ever? I would say ever, yeah.

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We were laughing because we were watching a couple of the guys hitting some drives. And there's some of the drives make it to that other side of the driving. Yeah, there was a few that we're getting pretty close. Yeah, we saw a celebrity. We don't know who it was, but he was pulling drives and I was like, ooh, these are getting a little close. Is that one of the guys or is that one of the guys? Dude, he was coming close.

Yeah, you wouldn't have seen him because he was kind of, there was that kind of like hedge that separated so we could just see on diagonal. Pink shirt or pink sweater. Yeah, it might have been. You could hear it. You could hear the thump just before. And you got to practice and hit balls in that. But yeah, the guy was, he like pulled two that way and then he sprayed two way right.

And then he started actually hitting it pretty good. And I was like, if he pulls another one over there, I mean, that's landing, got to be 15, 20 feet it looked like before. Yeah, pretty close. Ah, that makes sense. That makes sense. If anyone's going to hit it. Who knows.

It's going to be a long drive day. So when you're back there in the back side of the range, like, what are you working on how long are you there for? Like, what was your routine today to try and just get some work in? I was there from 9 a.m. this morning. Until right now? Yeah. And it's...

You got a little lunch in there? Yeah, lunch in between. Okay. Yeah, just grinding. Just working on a lot of wedges, did some testing this morning with Scott the Ping guy. We're figuring out my new irons and stuff like that. And yeah, just getting ready, I guess. And when you're grinding, are you, like, just distances?

You're like, all right, 60 yards, 62 yards, 64 yards? or what is that? A bit about a few things with my swing, working on mechanics, and then sort of that technical side, and then, yeah, totally target, just sort of dialing in those numbers, knowing exactly so that when my caddy comes next week, and he says it's 1203 yards that I'm able to hit that number,

and not guessing. Wow. You guys have a pretty good network here of golfers. I mean, I know a lot of the members that we were hearing the names of. It's a pretty good network here at Lake Nona, right? Yeah. I mean, that's one of the reasons I joined, being able to have people to play with, playing those games. Even this week when here's close, going over to some of the other courses like Bay Hill and Ayworth and Orange Street in the area, to get those games in to just get sharp before we go.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of the guys are here, a lot of the girls are here. So that was something I missed in college. You had that sort of team around you that there was always people to play with. And don't have my twin sister here anymore, so I needed to find people to sort of replace. that and be able to sort of compete on those off weeks as well, some money games and things like that. Who's going to fit the way? You got to fill up the way, I guess. Got to get a wee in there. When you were at Duke, did you like watch any basketball games over there? Like, was that? Yeah, I mean, we used to go to as many as we could.

Never got to go to a Carolina game. That was always, we always somehow had an event then. But if there was any home games, we were there, we always went. And I mean, Cameron's just a cool place. Yeah, really cool. It's small. The atmosphere was always really good. And, yeah, I mean, I went to as many sporting things as I could, but basketball was definitely sort of up there. That'd be really cool. Yeah. I would love to go there. Never been.

Well, for us, I mean, you guys, none of us really went to, well, fuck, he went to Harvard. Yeah, but we didn't have, even our, like, most of our sports were that. There were a couple years, though, when, like, Harvard basketball was really good. I'm saying, going to the sport, going to a college where, like, the pinnacle of that sport, like, Duke is basketball. Oh, yeah. Best of the best. So when you go into that game, you're seeing.

what everyone on TV is watching also. That's got to be really cool. Fencing. I think our fencing team is really good. Iowa wrestling? Pretty damn good. Pretty good. I remember talked to one of our trainers, and I was like, because our sports programs were really bad. I was like, what do you think?

Like the win percentage here of just all our programs here at St.A. I was there, and he was like 20%. I mean, it was terrible. Our lacrosse team, we were like one of the better ones, and we were just maybe a game over 500 or something like that every time. And we were like a good program. Everybody else, oh, and 23. Just terrible.

How many golf balls do you think he hit today? I don't know. A few hundred, I guess. Which is insane, because I've been posting a lot more practices on my Instagram, just to try. You're tired out. You can't do it anymore. Dude, I did.

I probably did about 400 swings in one week. One week. She did that today. I couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't swing anymore. By the fourth day, we went to a simulator and tried to play nine holes, me and my buddy. And I was like, man, by the 7th toll, I couldn't do it anymore. My shoulders were creaking.

Every time I took my club back, my wrist would crack. It's amazing how many swings you can get in. I mean, I hit a lot of wedges, too. I don't probably hit as many, like, full, full shots. For me, if I'm working some of my swing, like, I'll do it with the wedges, and then it generally transfers over, which is pretty nice. So I'll not hit a radical amount of drivers unless I'm working on something specific with that. But it's a lot of wedges and a lot of short irons.

If you have a wedge in your hands, from like 123 and you're grinding, like, what's an acceptable distance that it lands at where you're like, I feel good? But in a yard or two. Within a yard or two? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, like if you've got a 72-yard shot, that thing's going to land really close to the hole.

Yeah. Yeah, that's where it has to. I mean, inside 100 yards, it kind of has to be dialed in. And that's something I've noticed, like, out here, I mean, accuracy is key. The best, the best players, Jean Young, Nelly, Lydia. Yeah, I mean, if you put a wedge in their hand and it doesn't miss, it's all over the flag every time. They hold out more times than they miss a green or outside 20 feet probably. Yeah.

What are you actually working on to get in your distances? Is it like when I take it this far back and put this much force into it, it goes this far, and it's all just mentally trying to remember that? Yeah, I mean, for me, I do it by distance also where I grip on the club, but it's repetition. I mean, doing it again and again and again. Yeah, your body and you just remember off. The grip got you going. Grip has me thinking these days.

But she's talking about gripping down for going longer. Yeah. Because I literally just have like kind of a 60-yard shot. Somebody told me to strengthen my grip one time, so I just gripped the hell out of the clock. He just squeezed it harder. Oh, no. That's only for fairer bunker shots. For fairer of bunker shots, if you grip it as hard as you can.

It helps? Is that right? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why? You won't like chunk it? It gets the contact so much better. Really? Try it.

I've never heard that way. The big thing that I learned about fairway bunkers is to not dig your feet in. I think J.T. was like, yeah. If I see somebody dig their feet on in a fairway bunker, it's like you're an idiot. Because you're really just trying to thin it out of there. Yeah, no, if you grip it as tight as you get out. All right, well, then there we go. Strengthen my grip to the bunker.

I don't really squeeze that thing so hard. Oh, I'm going to break the grip. Yeah, we're not a great bunch of golfers here. We like the game. We're just not very good. Yeah, it's a great game. More than anything. Sometimes I hate it.

So you got grinding this week and then two weeks on, then three weeks off, and then go time. Yeah, and then we're pretty much go to Asia. I haven't been to Singapore and Thailand before, so that'll be new. You excited for that? Yeah, I mean, new places, new countries. Hopefully we'll be able to do something when we're there. I like Thai food, so hopefully. Your sister respond to all emails?

You got booked up? I think so. Do you do any preparation for the different types of grasses and, like, styles of the course? Are you just going to kind of attack it when you get there? I mean I haven't been there before usually the Asian grass are a little bit thicker I mean Japan was So I'll figure that it's more the heat

I mean I think Thailand's going to be really hot and humid So not like Ireland did A little bit of Preparation for that I did a bit of like sauna work and stuff For Japan last year for the Olympics So my what is that entail you just wear a full get-up in the sauna Pretty much

That's amazing That's awesome Sweat tons yeah In your gear No way. Phenomenal You bring your clubs in there too

so the grips feel the same? No, I probably could add that in, I guess. That's insane. I mean, our Olympic team for the Olympics, we did that. They had bikes in there

in the heat chambers and stuff like that, yeah. So the other teams were in it so I figured. Let's do it. Can you please send us like a picture or something? That'd be the funniest.

Of me, the color of your your honey. Just gearing up for the Asian swing. Just about, you know, tea times in 30 minutes. Just going to sit here, sweat it all out,

come out, just whoa. Here we go. Man. That's an amazing way to train. Well, there you go. We do a ton of traveling, and we like to hit different golf courses, and we're going to start going international with our series. You might see us start to train like we're going to Thailand.

We're the four of us going to sauna for a half hour. Is Ireland a place that we should really be putting on our list for golf? Oh, 100%. Have you guys never been? Never been. Oh, I mean, we're spoiled. Spoiled over there. There's so many good options.

You just literally take it all around the coast, and there's so many. I heard Ireland is just the most. fun people ever. How would you explain the style of golf there? Is it, I mean... I mean, it's a real mix. I mean, you have parkland courses like you get here, and then you've obviously links, which is quite a bit different.

Get four seasons in one day. But, I mean, yeah, there's obviously all the famous ones, like Bali Bunyan and Port Rush and Candy Down and all them, but there's also a lot that are really good, too, that just aren't famous or off the beating track a little bit. I think we would thrive in Ireland. I'm 50% Irish, so. I'm Irish.

Everybody's got a little bit Irish in them. Deep, deep down. That's right. You've got to do that. You're actually Irish, and then when I say I'm 50% Irish, does that almost offend you? Because, like, my parents were both born here, too. So, like, their parents were born in Ireland.

Like, I'm not Irish. It seems, I guess it's flattering that people want to be Irish. But we're not. It seems like everybody over here has some sort of percentage of Irish in them. They let you know, right? Megregor fights. McGregor fights or, like, the St. Patty's Day. and wearing green.

That's where it comes out. Kissing each other at bars. Oh, boy. I'm saying. It's like the whole thing. Yeah, kiss me on Irish. Come on, Lurch. Keep up.

No, no, no. I mean, I didn't think. I want to go. I love the culture. I love the food. I love everything about it. Speaking of the food, didn't you have, isn't that wasn't that an Irish?

Why did you look at him when you thought about food? Bangers and Mash? Is that Irish? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I had some of that before a flight. And it was a problem. Sausages and potatoes.

Yeah, I ate it before a red eye flight from Arizona to New York. It was a bad idea, but it was a delicious meal, I will say. Lived a tell to tell the town. Everyone on the plane lived as well. Barely. It's the kindest of all time. Battle to breathe on that flight. I got to get there.

Ireland? Yeah. You're 50% Irish. Yeah. I actually thought about getting married there. I wanted to go there. Oh, boy. I mean, Rider Cups there in 2027?

Oh. In their manner? Should be really good. Does that place cool? Yeah, I haven't been there, but it's as close to Augusta, apparently. Yeah, it looks magnificent. What? Yeah, it's like pristine.

They've got the subair. Yeah, it's perfect. Dude, they have like a castle. They're clubhouse, too. Well, immediate Google for this. What's the name? A D. A D. A D. Manner.

Okay. What is it? A-D-A-R-E? Yeah. Manner. Yeah. It's in Lerick. You fly into Shannon.

Shannon? Yeah. That's a clubhouse. What do you think, Frank? Is that suitable for you being 50% Irish? Yeah. You like what your fellow country You're like what your fellow country

And women came up with it? Yeah, it looks nice In that one image It looks like, yeah, I'd go there I mean, come on, what are we doing here? That looks insane Billion people living that clubhouse Doesn't feel like it's Irish

It looks fantastic All right Cool, this was great Well, we'll be rooting for you this year We appreciate you taking the time First time having you on the show Nice to meet you all You've got four new fans now

That's right And hated you prior Yeah, right converted you can only hate me every two years so you got the fire I like it yeah we appreciate you coming on good luck this year and yeah you got some you got some new fans here we appreciate it

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Go to getwood.com and go check it out. All right, we have flipped the microphones. You're on the other side of the microphone now, Curia Dixon. Hi. Are you like nervous in front of us? Well, you put it that way, then yeah, a little bit. We've been doing the thing with all the guests during this week where we have separated them from the group,

which makes it feel a little more intimidating for the guests. It's like the three of you were over there. It's very comfortable. You've been doing this all day. I'd roll in all of a sudden. I like that range A little separated I like that

It's fine, it's good We're just talking about vases And I was gonna say I don't think I own any vases You said you own a bunch I own like I own like 10 I was gonna have double digits

That's a lot of vases Well flowers are beautiful And they make people happy Do you have them like full of flowers all the time? Well no I'm actually renovating my house right now So I've got all my vowsers are packed away But generally I do love a good Yeah

How's that going? I'm trying to renovate a place right now too Don't do it. Just buy one that's good. Okay. Wow. That's too late. Just take it back.

Is your place just... Nowadays with how hard it is to get things? Yeah. Yeah. We just figured out that we ordered the wrong refrigerator that we waited six months for. So I don't have to wait another six months for another refrigerator. Oh, man. Do you have a functional refrigerator right now?

Yeah. But it doesn't fit in the space. So it's going to be fine. Does that give you like anxiety? It doesn't fit in the space. I can't get on the road, guys. I'm sorry. Incredible.

It's going to mess me up. Absolutely. Incredible. So I want to talk a little bit about your kind of trajectory because I feel like you really went. I mean, the first time I think I really saw you was the AT&T Pebble Beach program, which is what? Four or five years ago, maybe. The first time I saw you playing was, yeah, four years ago. This will be my fourth year.

And then it was like you're kind of in school, you kind of playing in those types of tournaments. And then all of a sudden you were kind of conducting like post-round interviews on Golf Channel. and you're on golf coverage all time, which is really, really cool. Thank you. How was, like, how was that, does it feel like crazy to you that all of a sudden that's happened in the last, I don't know, a couple of years? Yeah, I think that golf is crazy in general that, like, I get to do that job. And then I also, this week, get to play with some of the best players in the world.

Like, you don't have the basketball announcers, like, dribbling down the court. Like, I'm open. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't happen. So just the fact that golf creates those types of opportunities. life is what I love about the sport. But I mean, I got into, I grew up playing golf with my dad. It was, you know, I played very serious junior golf and then quit in high school because golf was stupid. Which looking back is stupid. Couldn't agree more. It wasn't cool. People were mean to me about it. And I wanted to be a cheerleader instead, which really got a lot out of that. You didn't want to be

like the nerd playing golf. Yeah, exactly. So I obviously regret that. But I've, I came back to the sport. When I was Miss America, I got asked to play in a pro-am on the golf channel. And I was like, oh, the golf channel. This is cool. And they interviewed me. And I kept doing golf stuff. I kept getting golf opportunities. After I was done being Miss America, I kept hosting proams. I kept doing one-off deals. I kept growing in it. And then Miss America is the largest provider of scholarships to women in the world. Still, to this day, I had all the scholarship money that I was going to use on law school, decided not to go to law school. I went to USC instead, I'd got my master's in journalism.

Got a phone call from the golf channel. Wow. Wow. And now, if you do well on the golf course, in the golf world, you get to chat with me afterwards and tell me all about it. So it's part of the prize package. It's a super impressive stuff you just rattled. Right. Far more impressive.

You asked about the trajectory. That's how it's the spark. That was awesome. That was what I was looking for. Yeah. Just being able to throw in and then I was Miss America in the middle of any sort of stories an amazing, amazing thing to drop down. It's a good conversation starter.

There's so many women in America. What an amazing. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Is that your most proud achievement? I mean, it's something that will always be a part of me and define me. I hope to have many other big, amazing things happen.

But it certainly changed my life. Like, I had paid a deposit to go to law school. And then I got exposed to, like, I was giving awards at the billboards to one direction and, like, introducing Pitbull. And on the, like, my first carpet ever, I turned around and there's Heidi Klum walking. down next to me. Wow. You know, you could expose this entire life that you never even knew existed.

And the idea of going to law school got the way side pretty quickly. Credit to you for pivoting. Like, seeing that and being like, I'm going to go do this. I'm going to get my master's from USC. That's incredible. Yeah, yeah. How did you get into the whole world of Miss America? How did that start?

So there was a little movie called Miss Congeniality. Love it. Came out when I was 12 years old. I was obsessed with Sandra Bullock. I wanted to be Sandra Bullock so badly. like she was everything still is everything to me um and we got a flyer in the mail for like a local little pageant i begged my mom to let me do it my parents were like what like a pageant like no like why would we do that we we wait we got a dress off of ebay i looked probably ridiculous and

but we went and i won the first one i ever did and i was like you know the golf bug bites you it like that that kind of bit me but we did it once a year as like just a fun thing You know, my mom always made sure to say, you know, like, we're never going to do Miss America. Yeah, it's just not something that we're going to do. That's like a whole different thing. Like, okay, great. So it was just like a hobby. And then because of the scholarship money, I wanted to pay for school, la, la, la, la.

Ended up just, you know, let's see what we can do. I went to school in New York. And so I competed in New York with Miss New York. And I was like, great. I'll just be Miss New York. It'll be fantastic. You know. I'll just be missing.

No problem. It's wonderful. And, yeah, then you know the rest. So. Wow. Amazing. Was the incredibly demanding, like people stereotype it? Yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. But the job itself is it's 365 days. They pretty much own you for a year. 20,000 miles a month. You're in a different city every two days. You're the National Goodwill Ambassador for Children's Miracle Network Hospitals. I went around the world with the U.S.O into Afghanistan, Bahrain, South Korea, the DMZ. Being the president.

Yeah, I got to, oh, I got to me, Michelle. I didn't get to me to Obama, but, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, me? Like, you're, it's like, it's like, it's like, When they say you become present, the next day your life changes completely. Yeah, completely overnight. You're brought behind all these closed doors and you don't have to go to all these places.

That's exactly what America sounds like. And you get asked to play in golf tournaments. Yeah, that's pretty cool. It's like hunger games. Like you just walk through and then all of a sudden you're just the symbol for like the entire country. That's crazy. Exactly. Yeah.

It's really cool. It was wild. Like I look back and like, did I really do that? That's psycho, first of all, that I would like decide to do that. But it was amazing. And I learned a ton. have a much thicker skin because of it. Sure.

Really thankful for it. I have amazing friends. There were 25 girls that I competed with that came to my wedding. Wow. Is that right? Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Like everybody from Georgia to Colorado to pretty much our state in between. Wow. Yeah. That's really cool. What a world. Okay. So then you're in, you know, journalism. You're studying journalism.

Yeah. You get a call or what happened with, you know, golf channel and becoming a big part of the golf coverage. You want more, more in, yeah, just a little bit more. tales of how this happens. Okay, so... I feel like this stuff just keeps happening to you or else then it changes your life. Yes. Okay. So, um, have you ever had that feeling when, like, you're going along something and it's not exactly happening the way you want. It's not exactly happening the way you want. You start to doubt all the time. And like, maybe I'm going to start thinking about something else.

Yeah. So I have that feeling about two years post Miss America. Like, what am I doing with my life? Like, am I, am I just going to host proams for forever? Like, what, what am I doing? Like, I really wanted to start getting into, like, legit reporting. But you have to have experience and, like, you know, more things than just haven't been Miss America to get to be a reporter. I got a phone call one day completely randomly from the USGA. They needed somebody to host their digital coverage. I'd been doing some digital stuff. And they took a complete, like, risk on me.

And they're like, yeah, like, you were Miss America, the United States Golf Association seems to go well together. Like, let's figure this out. I worked, Shinnecock was my first U.S. Open with them. and it was like a life-changing, like, okay, I want to do this type of thing. Yeah. The USDA gave me the experience and the time to grow as a personality, as a reporter. They let me make mistakes. They let me try stuff out.

They let me do pretty much whatever I wanted. I'm sure you guys have had a lot of great opportunities with the USDA. Can we? I love the USGAQ was our first U.S. Open. First time. We basically go way back. Same trajectory. You were like, what are we doing here?

Can we allowed us to be here? They let our boss try and win the U.S. Open with Unlimited. mulligan. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that was a whole conversation. They are very open to things like that. Like you're saying, they gave you chances to do whatever you want, try new stuff. Like you wouldn't, like from the outside looking at you, you wouldn't think that was going to be an organization that would do that. But they actually are very open to it. They are. I mean, it's about democratizing the game and making it more accessible, more relatable to the masses, not just, you know, those that can qualify to compete at the U.S.

Open. And because of what I was doing there, and I had done some one-off things with the Golf Channel. I just kept getting more opportunities with the Golf Channel. I hosted Golf Advisor for them, which is like a travel lifestyle show, which went away during COVID. But that was kind of like my entree into like the greater Golf Channel sphere. And then January of 2020, I got to do live reporting at the PGA show. That was my first time to be like really really doing that like someone's counting down in your ear like, let's go. This is live TV. And then COVID happened. So for most of COVID, I was, I started I was like, okay, whatever, like, we'll see what happens. I still got my USDA stuff.

Tried to not put too much pressure on it. And then end of 2020 in December, they called and said, hey, we have a reporter position to you want it. And I wanted it. Yeah. Very cool. Shout to Craig Annis, by the way. Yeah.

Not there any longer at USGA, but. Yeah, Craig was amazing for my career. He said yes to a lot of big stuff. Absolutely amazing. Do you get nervous? Hell, yeah. You kidding? Yeah, what's live TV like?

you know like that's something just you mentioning it it makes me like yeah like we do we do live streams but it's the least professional thing

you could imagine we could say anything and it's well it's like there's no people aren't expecting like it to be professional I just the other side of that live TV

I would imagine seems very intimidating it so I've now I've had a year in the job now so I've like calm down but in the beginning I was like

okay like somebody something has to come out of my mouth that's right So there, I'm sure, were plenty of moments that I look back and I just cringe because it just, I was learning and, like, growing through it and figuring it out. But something always did come out of my mouth. So I'm thankful for that. Yeah, yeah.

So I've calmed down for sure. I just try and tell myself, it's just a conversation just like you and I are having right now. Yeah. I'm there because they like who I am. I don't have to try to be any of these other wonderful reporters. I need to just be Kira, and that's enough. and it's going to be great. And whether that's true or not, I just have to believe it.

I think, Frankie, if we put you on live TV in a situation like that, I think I have this about myself as well. I would just freeze. Yeah. I don't think a world, like you're saying words would come up. No, no, you wouldn't freeze because it's life and death. You've got to say something. I might just run away.

You might just take off. Life and death is right, and we die. Fight or flight, and I'm flight. You're flying. I'm flight. I'm out of there. I haven't died yet. We've frozen up on this show and we've had to talk.

I mean, there was one time where Riggs didn't show up to the beginning of the podcast and it was us with Brian Baumgarner. I can't say it's fucking, I can never say the last. I think you got it. Baumgarner? Bombarner, yeah. He's here this week. Yeah, he is. He's one of our, like, pals at this point. But in the beginning, like, he just popped up and it was just Trent and I, we just go, so, uh, yeah, we're not going on. We didn't have our host. We didn't have, like, our live guy. Yeah, yeah. So, like, we just didn't know what to do. What did he say to you guys? Like, wow. He goes, this shows is, like, bizarre. This is a bizarre show. Well, I mean, you can always count it to tell us.

Like it is, I said, I was like, how's your game doing, Brian? He goes, eh, shitty. Well, I mean, he would never remember this. But if Tiger were to recount his meeting with us, he'd be like, those are the three weirdest dudes I've ever met my life. No. Oh, we didn't say anything. I couldn't answer questions.

I tried to get the word out. So what game, what are you going to do tonight? What game do you like? Basketball? I couldn't say it. I just couldn't say the words. I couldn't say it. And my throat closed up.

Because you have one chance and he's going to walk away. One chance forever. You're never going to have. Just gone. You never know. He asked me. down him when you left. I did. Yeah, he was probably like, he asked me, where are you guys stationed? And I just had no answer

for him. I literally had nothing. We were at Pebble Beach. So we had a radio station on the 18th Green. Barstool Radio was there. So we had a presence. We also were talking to Tiger Woods on the putting green at Pebble Beach. So when Tiger Woods asks Trent, where are you guys stationed? Like, what is the answer to that? Is it where is Barstool station? Like,

New York? Is it the 18th green? Yeah. Is it like where are we right now? What hotel are we? Where are you guys stationed? It's just way too vague. My entire 30 years flashed right in front of me and I had nothing. There's a picture. He actually goes, duh.

There's pictures. It's a meme. It's on video. There's pictures. It's really super unfortunate. I would rather that. It comes to a good story. Yeah, it is.

It's one of the things I'll remember forever, but maybe not for the best reasons. The Tigers Foundation gave me one of my first hosting gigs right after Miss America. TGR Foundation reached out to me on Twitter and asked for me to host Tiger Jam in Vegas. And I was, my best friend came with me, like, as my date. And she knows nothing about golf, like, zero, like, she maybe knows who Tiger Woods is. And I was up on stage doing something. And I look over and who's sitting next to Tiger, but my best friend Kelly.

And she just was like, hey, look, it's that guy. It's like, yeah, that's one way to call. That's a guy. Yeah. Wow. That's amazing. Is it really difficult as things are concluding to like structure as plays concluding, sorry, as golf plays concluding and you're about to do post-round games?

I was like, kicking me out. You're done. We're done here. To like have structure and know who you're going to talk to and what exactly happening. Is there so many players finishing, they could bogey double the last, then they're not that interesting or they're not the person you're going to talk to you. Yeah, yeah. So generally throughout the week, like you're,

you know, rarely to someone, like, completely come out of nowhere. Like, if you're at least within the top 20 or something, I've either talked to you or I've looked up your stats or something or another. So throughout the day, like, I'm tracking exactly what's happening. If it's coming down to, like, the wire, like a pot or something like that, like, I've got stuff prepared. But this happened, I think at the CJ Cup, like, I had stuff prepared for Ricky, because Ricky could have won that day.

I had stuff prepared for Rory. And, yeah, I think, I forget who also was, the third person. But I was like ready to go, you know, pick, choose your own adventure, whichever one decided to win that day. And just like, then you go. You just like pick up that door number two and walk through it. Is it always like, is it, is it an awkward interview with people doing like, like, they lose? Oh. Yeah, it's, the loser interview is not.

It's, it's, I think it's a really important, strong moment for them because it's super vulnerable. And for them to actually stand there and do it is, I think, amazing. It shows a great amount of strength and just, yeah, that's part of the sport. It's just part of being a professional athlete. So when they take the time to do it and stand there and give you good, thoughtful, long responses, I really appreciate that. But, you know, you really feel the, like, especially if it comes out of a playoff or one shot, like you just feel the energy, the disappointment, the sadness, like everything that comes

with that. And you kind of just have to be there in that moment and not, you know, make it worse. And somehow, you know, foster this good. moment, this nice conversation that, you know, what's the positive that we can take from this? What did you really learn this week? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, what are you going to take from this? Like everything that, I know you didn't walk away from this with the win, but you had so many incredible moments. What's something that you're really going to lean on as you go into blah, blah, next week? So a lot of times somebody will win or finish a good round, whatever, and you'll have like

60 or 90 seconds only with them. The questions that you ask, do they have to get like approved by anybody? No, no. No, no. There's nobody that's like telling me that I have to ask them. And of course, depending on the situation, I work with amazing producers and people in the field that will be like, you know, like if this happens, like this is really a storyline that we're really passionate about and we've been having those conversations all week. But when I get up there, like, whatever comes out of my mouth is what comes out of my mouth. And it depends on, it also depends on what they're giving back to you. You know, if they give you something and you're listening, you can follow up on that and be like, well, why did you decide to pull that club? Or what was that conversation that you had with your caddy if they mentioned something like that. And it's, supposed to be like a real natural conversation even though you only have 60 or 90 seconds but it's up to you to like foster a good moment have you had any slip-ups oh yeah I accidentally told max home it was his first win when it was his third win at Napa I bet the internet love that actually oh I hope not I didn't check people are cool that's smart yeah well I corrected I corrected myself um but it threw me off and I was like, uh,

what color is the sky? Yeah. And like, I love Max and he was the perfect person for that to happen with. Um, so when we were done, I was like, oh, I'm sorry. It was so awkward. He was like, I don't care. I just want a golf tournament. I was like, fair enough, go do your thing.

That's so good. I love, I don't care. I just want to golf. Yeah, that's literally what he said. You walked off to take pictures with the trophy. Like, great. Please don't ever remember this moment. Scott has just be so nerve-wracking.

It's very, I mean, it's just very impressive. Because again, like, we, we get to edit. We don't really add it much, but we get to do a podcast for an hour and a half. You don't have to be on. Or if you say something really stupid, you could just be like, you just look it up and 30 seconds later be like, hey, I was wrong. Yeah, exactly. I was just wrong about that.

I think my most nervous moment over the last year has been, I worked the Corn Ferry Tour Championship. And like, everybody in this scenario is, like, it's not just the winner. It's the top 25 that get in and get their PGA tour cards. So the story, there's so many storylines and so many things that can happen. if somebody happens to get in by just one put, like Justin Lauer, who got in at the 25th spot, just happened to knock out Taylor Montgomery with,

he was able to get up and down on 18 at Victoria National. Like, it just was his personal story. If you don't know Justin Lauer's story, I strongly recommend you looking it up. But then to be able to sit down with him in a really emotional interview knowing that he had just gotten onto the PGA tour for the very first time. And like, ah, like, that you're responsible for that is so much pressure.

And then on the flip side, this is my first time doing a live green side interview in the broadcast. And Joseph Bramlett wins. He has had four years of crazy injuries as one of the best players of his age group. And he's been through so many ups and downs. And he's got his tour status. He's been playing the players, like all these big events. And this is one of those moments where I was like, okay, this is like a make a break for me. either I do really well and I love this or like I need to pick a different career.

And it was, it was an amazing, awesome. Like, I walked away with that with so much adrenaline. Like, I wanted to cry because it was just so, like, this is what I meant to do with my life. It's really cool. Awesome. Yeah. I love it. So much more important than what we're doing.

You know what I mean? Like that exact. It's important in the sense that. I wouldn't say that. I'm saying important in the sense that like you have to be on. It would kind of echo what Riggs was saying. Like with that guy sitting there, all the emotions, it just happened. It's very raw, it's very real for that moment to just be handed to a bunch of idiots like us

that are going to be fumbling around with like our words and saying the word like a million times and um. Ironically, usually the worst we do, the better it goes. Yeah, we're in a different lane where if we're a train wreck, it gets more clicks. Exactly. And for you, it's like there's such a fine line between, it's almost like if you weren't prepared, it's almost disrespectful for that moment. You know what I mean?

That's your homework. But I firmly believe, I think Ashley Mayo told me this, that golf's media is an ecosystem. system and there is a place for everyone. Yeah. And without Barstool or without the golf channel or whatever, that system starts to fail and it doesn't do what it needs to do. There's one person that's extinct so far as Jeff Shackleford. He's becoming extinct, but we won't get into that. Okay. Sorry.

Maybe a different pod. Sorry. But I think that generally, like what you guys have done for the game and the growth that you brought to it, like what you guys did with the NCAA stuff, like I just, I, I, um, I think it's really awesome. And I love all your stuff I listen to most of your pods. I appreciate it. That makes me feel horrible.

Your conversations about the universe, rallies. A lot of that. Yeah. A lot of that. Yeah. You know some problems. It's weird than anybody listens to our show. It's bizarre.

Do you ever feel that about like when people call out to you? Yeah, I always find it bizarre that people are like, oh my God, Kira from the Golf Channel. Oh, somebody recently came up to me and they were like, oh, my God, are you Kira from the Golf Channel? It was one of the first time somebody said that instead of, oh, my God, are you Kira, Miss America? And I was like, I am Keira from the Golf Channel. The fact that I am. I am. I am a reporter. Yes, I am. Thank you. They had no idea about that past, which is awesome.

Like, they knew me for a completely different thing. Five tool player. That's what you are. What's the next event you're working? Farmers. And then I'll play the AT&T. So at the end of the AT&T, I will have played more on tour than actually reported. Wow. So I'm happy about that.

That's exciting. And then I'll work Genesis. And I can't tell you my... I don't know. Do you get, like, as nervous for Tiger? Oddly, no, because I interviewed Tiger five years ago for the first time. And, like, I've gotten to do a lot of stuff with their foundation. And, um, but that's almost like a comfort zone for me.

Like, I get more nervous around, like, the Dustin Johnsons or the Brooks Kepkas of the world. Um, just because, you know, you got to be, you got to know your stuff and they will call you on it if you don't. And, um, yeah, they're very nice. but like I gotta be prepared for this. Totally. Yeah, especially Brooks. I could see Brooks being like... And Dustin, you gotta kind of,

you don't have to like pry it out of him, but he's not gonna give it to you unless you really ask me the right questions. And they've got no patience for mediocrity or anything like that. Like, if you ask just a good dumb question, they'll be like, no, I'm not answering that. Like, okay, cool. Oh, sweet.

Try to avoid that. All right, back to you guys. Yeah, yeah, back to you in the studio. Thanks. Did you guys see that reporter from the Edmonton Oilers yesterday? Talk to Leon Drysidal. Yeah. So this reporter, the Edmonton Oilers are, they've had,

They've lost like nine games in a row and like they're just fed up. They have the best player in the NHL and everyone, their fan base is just going crazy. Maybe the second best player in the NHL. Drysadle's sick. And maybe the second best player. Yeah. So they asked Leon Drysaddle, I guess it's this Hall of Fame journalist up in Canada. Okay.

And he basically said like, is there anything that you guys think is going, like what's the reason why you guys are losing? Like, is there anything you guys need to get better at? And Leon Drysaddle rolled his eyes and was just like, like, Jesus, like, everything. We gotta get better at everything. And the reporter just kind of snapped and goes, now, why the hell are you so pissy right now? Oh my God. And Drysad was like, what?

He's like, and then they got into an argument. And basically Drys Seidel was set. Yes, it was all live. And Dreisle was like, why do you, like, what, you know everything, right? So why are you even asking the questions? You know everything. Like Mike, whatever the guy's name is. And he goes, you're just, you're always just so pissy. And the reporter kind of snapped. And it's just funny to see that, like, I mean, you were just saying, like, if something doesn't go right,

like, you have to kind of just, like, shoot it back to the, to the guys in booth, but like, this guy kind of just lost his mind for a second. And it must happen more often than not in your brain where you're like, I kind of want to tell this guy to go screw himself. Or that one, like, Cura, do you ever feel that? No, no, but it's just a man. No, I don't want to trap you in anything like that. What's the closest you felt to be, I just have never seen, because reporters always have, we've talked about this in this show that like you have to, you have to be a certain professionalism. You have to just be on it and you have to just get it and you have to remember, we see them every single week. That's right. The minute that they no longer trust

you to do the job. Like, it makes the job impossible. So it's just not, it's nowhere that I'm mind-blowing to see this. You have to foster those relationships. Because like you're saying, week in and week out, you're going to be there and they're going to be there. And it's like, how are we going to do this for a full year if we're at each other's throats? We've talked about that on our show. We've said some crazy things about players and then we have to see them in real life. It's freaking awkward. Yeah, how does that go? Tell me about that. It's weird. It's really weird. So how do you approach it? We don't. We just run away from it. Oh, okay. Good.

There's some awkward eye contact. We just heard from someone that like Ian Polter's just never going to do our show because he just, we've been too mean to him. He says we abuse him, which I don't think we abuse them on the internet. But I think that was five years ago. I personally love Ian Polter. Our point is that

like we when you do cross that line, it is awkward. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Different part of the ecosystem. There you go. True. True. No, I will say we've had confrontations of people that have gone well. Like, Justin Thomas originally.

Yes. We were in it. We were chirping JT for like a year. Big time. Had him on the show, talked it through. Yeah, there's some things that I did

that it made me come off like a douchebag, but like I thought you guys shouldn't have said then. We hash it out. Now we're tight with JT. I love JT. Perfect. Yeah.

Big fan of JT. You pick JT every week. Every week. I mean, that's a pretty solid bet. It was a pretty solid bet. See, I start winning more majors, which I'm picking for this year. Okay.

Yeah, you are. I can see it. All right. All right. Well, Kira. We appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for having me.

Good luck this week. I appreciate it. I've got a badass group tomorrow with Michelle Wee and Marty Fish. Wow. So is there any pressure for you to perform at the highest possible ability? Absolutely not. Really? No.

I mean, I'm just going to, if I put that pressure on myself and I will be forming at my lowest possible ability. You're playing with two of the best players in the event right now. Yeah. But I mean, they're going to make me better. And they are both, Michelle is one of my favorite people on the podcast. planet and Marty I met for the first time yesterday but he came up to me and he was like oh we're playing together I'm so excited like it's gonna be a fun amazing group Marty's great we've had him on the show Marty's a cool dude I'm excited he's a cool dude I love his obviously his Netflix special

for the amazing breaking point yeah yeah I mean I think so yeah I watched it recently like not not understanding what it was but like my husband just put it on and I was like in it so I'm really excited to get to play with him from the very beginning and things just pulled You're going to see some good golf tomorrow. Hopefully you contribute. Thank you. I'm detecting a bit of doubt. Why are you trying to like put

too positive around me? You're putting me down. You're putting me down just a little bit. Absolutely. I'm saying that. You're planting it in my teeth. I'm getting in. I want you to know this is a big round of golf for you tomorrow.

It is a big round of golf, but I'm trying to think of it from an area perspective. She's never coming back to this part of the ecosystem. She's never coming back. This part sucks, oh me. Come on, I want you out there like, yeah, you're doing great. Oh, I'm going to root for you. Okay, good, good, good.

I just want you to know what you're prepared. I got Michelle We. I'm going to root for you, but. I watched Marty Fish pipe drivers yesterday in the rain. He was unbelievable a golf. Isn't it annoying that somebody can be that good at so many different? No doubt my mind could have went pro as a good. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, if at some point it just went this way, it's that way, he's a pro golfer, no problem. You just talking to me mid-talk? He was just hitting drives like 3.30. Lefty. How's your game right now? It's good. Guess who is the only player in the field that gets to play from the forward T's all week? You? You? Only player.

Well, because I'm the only not, like, man that was a football or basketball or tennis player or whatever, right? So they're playing from the back teams with the pros. The other two women in the field are Onika Swarnsdam, who is not playing from the forward team. And Blair O'Neill, who's also not playing from the forward T's. So I was, shockingly, not a professional athlete and just, like, play like a normal person. I hope you light it up and win. I'm so excited. That's awesome.

That's huge. They came up to yesterday and they kind of were like, oh, like, is that okay? Like, have you play from the 40s? Like, hell yeah, I wouldn't be. The best thing I heard of the advantage I can get. That's what I like. Exactly. That's awesome.

Except for the part three's. I'll be back on the part three's because there's like whole and one prizes. You were dialing it in on the range today? I was. Feeling good? I feel good. Michelle took a look at my swing. Yeah, we played nine holes on Monday.

And I was doing too much sliding. so I'm trying to do like more hip turning as opposed to sliding Yep So yeah We're all familiar with the slide Tent knows a little bit about all that I do yeah

That's what Tilly would tell me I do too much sliding You gotta keep the hip Oh yeah how's your golf game It's pretty good I was like really in that journey for a while Thank you For a while then she got sick of you

Breaking 100 Yeah that happened though It did happen Yeah congratulations Thank you very much 95 97 95 Garden City Country Club. Dice.

We're going to be doing breaking 90 coming up. Pretty much the same deal. Are you still in the Till Gang or whatever you call it? Okay. That's my guy for life. For life. Me and Ricky and Kiz. All the boys.

Ricky with a great DM. Oh yeah. You've had limited. Hashtag tag. Hashtag tag Tilgang. Speaking of ecosystem, he hasn't come around much. Ricky, but. No.

Oh, he has a little bit. A little bit. But you planted the seed with the till gang. Right. So, yeah. We DMed a little bit. Didn't you DM him while you were recording the pod? Yeah, we came up with that during the podcast.

He was like coming down the stretch in a tournament. He was playing well. CJ. CJ. That's what it was. And you were saying like you crafted a message on the show saying like go get him this week. We need another win for Tillgang. I was saying we're all in the same stable.

Yeah, exactly. A rising tide lifts all boats. Yes, absolutely. You can gain much from his success. That's right. So we all kind of feed off each other. but it's going the game is Yeah dude come on

Everybody heard that No it's a new year We're gonna try and dial it in again New York now the East Coast is obviously getting colder So it's like it's hard to play when it snows But I'm gonna, you know we're gonna work at it And we're just gonna keep moving forward He's gonna do it

Okay yeah I have feet Thank you to I'm gonna keep it positive for you As opposed to Well I was gonna say I know the best guys I like to direct you Down to my negativity because it makes me feel comfort in my own negativity. So people around.

It's good to balance things out too. Yeah. The only time I'm ever happy in my life is when we did Breaking 100. That's right. If you watch those videos. I genuinely felt positive. I felt happy. My family liked me that week.

He is the positive life. I was like, I was like coming home. A little color in your face. Yeah. I'm getting too much color on my face. You were so positive during that. Like my mom is in love with you.

She's just. We were just vibing, man. Hopefully we can keep that going. I think we. Can't. Till game. Because it was breaking 100, breaking 90, then it's going to be breaking Frankie. He's just going to start beating all of us. He's going to get really good.

What do you shoot? Me? Yeah. What's breaking Frankie? Well, my average for 2021 was like an 87.5. So, I mean, he's like not far off. That's close enough. Yeah. Breaking 90, you're basically breaking Frankie.

That's right. Yeah. Breaking Frankie would be good. That's not good. We got to do fixing Frankie first, so I don't bring our guests down to a dark, deep level. Yeah. on the show today. We almost had to take your microphone.

No, no, I appreciate the shock of realism. There you go. Shock is underlined. Give you a good reality check. All right, thanks, guys. Yeah. Appreciate it. Good luck with everything.

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