Fore Play - The Golf Media Industry, Christmas, Prison, Antarctica, & Bad Golf Teaching

Episode Date: December 23, 2020

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Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. So we will say it again, as we did at the beginning of the last show, Merry Christmas. If you don't celebrate Christmas, we still want you to have a Merry Christmas because it's just a day that's called Christmas where you could have a Merry Day, and that would be better than you not having a Merry Day. I tried to explain that. So I do the radio show The Cousins with Mike Portnoy and Cousin-Murie. and I tried to explain that concept to them,

and they were like, no, no, no, that's just not how it works. I was like, no, but on Hanukkah, I wanted to be happy. And they were like, you can't. You're not allowed to be happy on that day. Yeah, that's pretty much the only route that they could go. I feel like they didn't really have much of a choice there. But on this show, we want you to have a Merry Christmas, no matter what, your affiliation or your heritage or your religion or anything.

We just still want you to have a Merry Christmas. So, Merry Christmas. I guess should we release this show on Wednesday so that people can, listen to it while they travel. Yeah. Not the worst idea. Try to jump into that merry spirit. Yeah.

Thursday's Christmas Eve. So this will come out to, this will come out. Yeah, this will come out Wednesday. This will come out the day. This will come out the 23rd. Right. You said Wednesday, so that'll be Wednesday. So tomorrow, yeah.

23rd of December is when you are listening to this show. We just kind of figured that out. A little peek behind the curtain there. You are welcome. Anyways, we're going to go through a bunch of from the galleries that we've been saving up upon for months now because we just never get to them. We talk about one subject usually for an hour and a half, but then that's kind of the full show. So now you're going to get a bunch of your questions answered, a bunch of your hypotheticals. You will be reminded that for play at barstoolsports.com, please put in the subject title from the gallery, make it short or we will not read it.

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Okay. Quickly, before we do get to from the galleries, we kind of touched on it briefly on Tuesday's show, but Golf Channel is going to be, I mean, we were talking about coverage and how it's a debacle, and that was kind of our most intense takeaway at the end of last show.

But meanwhile, while all this is going on, I'm like golf channel's just gone. Like they're moving to Connecticut from Orlando where they've been the whole time. They're downsizing. They got rid of morning drive. Almost every golf channel, a ton, a vast majority of golf channel reporters, anchors, personalities that I follow have at some point this year essentially tweeted out that they're, you know, getting let go.

They're keeping some still that you'll know, but a lot of people getting let go. and I feel like that's kind of been swept under the rug a little bit. There's not a ton of talk about that, but Galt Channel is literally how I grew up. Like when I got the golf bug in when I was in late high school, early college, like all I watched was Golf Channel. That's just it. That was on nonstop.

I watched it, cared about it more than hockey. That's all you wanted. They had Michael Breed with his instructional stuff. He's been gone for a couple years, but he's our boy. We love Michael Breed. Brandl breaking it down all the time. Like they had all kinds of different, the carousel,

there were folks that were on Golf Central. I remember when Duval first came on, like DeMarco's been on a buck, but like all these different, you had Damon Hack and the morning crew. So like, golf channel is just how I pretty much became obsessed with golf in a lot of ways.

And now it's just going to be repurposed, downsized, consolidated, moved up to Connecticut. Who knows what it's going to look like? But it's kind of crazy that it's just gone for the way that we knew it. It's sad and it was brushed under the rug.

Sorry, Frank, I didn't mean to cut you off. But, like, it is, like, it's obviously people's jobs, their livelihood. And I don't know if it's like a microcosm of like the game of golf like shrinking at all. You know, with like the tiger effect coming off maybe the like the peak of his career. I don't know if that's like timed up at all. But it is sad, obviously, that everybody, you know, there's a lot of people who lost their jobs and then moving to Connecticut. It seems like it hasn't. And maybe they wanted this way that it hasn't been.

big news. To me, I actually think the opposite of that. I think that it's whoever is the hierarchy of golf channel and the golf networks are doing a horrible job of growing the game on their own, you know, in their own plans. Like, it's really not the like the Brandlchamblies of the world. It's the people that are deciding what goes on the golf channel. I mean, there's reruns consistently about just tournaments that no one really cares about. And, you know, the game of golf is growing, I think, especially during the pandemic. Like, this has been the biggest year for golf like on the golf course people getting out and playing because it was the only thing we could do during a pandemic especially in the United States and I think like they just weren't creative enough

like we have podcasts like us and media outlets that go out and do like scrambles against pros and and all these things like Mulligan challenges and like they are just traditional media and it just doesn't work that well with a sport that's not a top four major sport it's just never going to work and you have to be able to like pivot and move and also it's kind of like and I feel bad for all the people that are losing their jobs. Getting relegated to Connecticut sounds like such a mean thing. And so it's bad for Connecticut. Like you're getting moved from, like, they're all getting sent out to Connecticut.

And we're all like, ah, ha, like that's like, like Connecticut's kind of a nice place. Yeah. I think it's a combination of what both have you said, which is that they blew it. Like the, it is not like the brand. I mean, Brandel's doing fine. I don't think he's, but it's not like the reporters, by all accounts, they've done a great job. It is the hierarchy, and they collectively, who kind of decided what content would go out, how it would be managed, new programming, how to funnel in new program.

Like, they just blew it because they were riding high during the Tiger era, and they couldn't fucking miss. And everything that they did was working because everybody was getting into golf. People were watching golf. Tiger was playing and winning all the time. The hype was off the charts. And they just couldn't miss. And then they fucking blew it.

They didn't capitalize. They didn't come up with creative ideas like Frankie's saying. And they now and then found themselves in a spot where they left a hole for people like us and a few other media, golf media organizations that have come out and have grabbed it and come up with creative ways to keep people engaged. And now during the pandemic, I mean, golf's up like fucking 20 something percent during the pandemic, even higher in a lot of places in the United States. And it's been declining for years and years and years. So they, for them to have, have to lay off a ton of people, I know it's like ownership and then

they, again, like the owners are consolidating, moving them up to Connecticut, which is going to save them money. But the operation clearly wasn't this massive, like, lucrative thing. Otherwise, they wouldn't have to do that. Meanwhile, like, we're thriving. We're hiring more people. We're growing. So, like, there's clearly an answer.

And it's not just like, oh, yeah, golf struggle. and so everybody's kind of laying people because that's just not the case, right? Like if you're good, you're creative and you can capitalize on more things in golf than just Tiger Woods, which is a little bit ironic because like we capitalize on Tiger Woods all the time. But we've also come up with other ways and so have other organizations, other groups, other whatever to, you know, be successful and not have to like lay people off and move to Connecticut. And they really haven't. And that sucks. And, you know, you see a lot of it.

Like you, you could tell with the Tiger Tracker article and a lot of the information that, like, those people that are creative that are sort of the, the uses of like golf channel are frustrated because, like, they couldn't get what they wanted to get done. And it's sort of another for us in the way that I look at it, it's another sort of tip to the cap to Barstall Sports and to Dave and to Erica. And the fact that, like, we were able to come in, not one of us. was hired to like run golf. Not one of us was hired to do anything golf related.

And here we are, you know, four years later. And we run pretty much like an alternative media empire in the world of golf. We do so many fucking things. We do them, you know, the crew that you see on this show,

the four of us, Ebug and Jake, like we run all of this and, and we've expanded into events. We do merch. We do a drink. We do podcasts. We do all kinds of video series.

We do tournament coverage at majors. Like, we just figured it the fuck out a lot of what we were talking about with how annoying the coverage was where they couldn't just figure it out but we were taught that way by Dave by Erica by Dan by Kevin by like K Marker like these guys paved the way and we're like oh that's how you have to do it and grow a business and we like golf so we're going to do it within golf and we just figured it out and they didn't and it's it's very sad it's really interesting that TV isn't the goal anymore right like that's really the biggest change is that forever I'd say 10 10, 15 years ago, it was all about what's on TV, can you get on TV, that's how you reach the most people. And things have shifted in such a way that TV just isn't as important as it used to be. There's YouTube, there's podcasts, there's Twitter, there's Instagram, there's Instagram live. Like, there's so many different avenues that you can voice your opinion about anything. Artists happens to be golf.

But if it's football or whatever your passion is, you don't need a TV camera and a studio and a suit and a tie to get your voice out there. And it's like they got too big. Like you were right, they grew, golf channel was huge during the Tiger years, and it's huge, and the rings are massive, and everything's great. But then the internet comes along and the bubble pops.

And then the guys like us show up, and we're like, we're not traditional. We don't want to, like I said, wear a suit and tie and look into a TV camera. We just want to talk shit on a podcast. And it turns out that far more people relate to that, and that just became the next big thing. So now they're like, they're just struggling.

They have all this programming to fill, but nobody really is watching and that's not the goal anymore. It's just really like, this is obviously a different avenue, but like Conan O'Brien had a TV show on TBS forever. But he's recently decided that he's going to stop doing the show and focus on his podcast. If you had told anybody TV executives, viewers 15 years ago,

that that was going to be the case, they would have said you're crazy, but that's the reality of the situation in 2020 going into 2021. The internet has just taken over in such a way. And it is sad that people are losing their jobs because it has shifted this way, but that's, you know, the nature of the business. But TV just isn't as important as it used to be. Yeah. And like look at, look at just quickly, like with golf channels, a good example of them not figuring out. Like they have Rory Macaeroy and Carson Daly do like a podcast, but put it under like the golf pass thing. And it's like, that should be bigger than us.

That should be way bigger than us. It's Roaring Macor. Like, that should be fucking huge. And they have all these, these talents. They have like, imagine if Brandl and like Rory, week after week, we're breaking down like what was going on in the world, but able to do it with pure freedom, right? Like I've talked with Brandel about it,

about how they can, you can be constrained. And you have to be constrained to a certain level in that industry in the way that they all, you know, grew up learning and producing and running a show and television and not able to just like pivot and figure it out. And some people have, like you're saying, you're giving it, like some people have and have been extremely successful and some haven't. And I think this is clearly a representation of who hasn't. And what's another thing it's sad about is everyone's going to push it up the ladder when it's talked about, right? Like, you know, the people, the, the, the, the, the, the, the report.

that we read, the writers that we read, that we follow on Twitter, that we see jump in on golf channel coverage, live from, whatever. Like, they, I know that they have the creative ideas and couldn't get them, you know, approved, done, executed, whatever. And that when you would hear that, then it would go to the next level. And then that person would be like, well, technically like, you know, NBC has these certain things that you're not allowed to really go after. So it goes up to us. And it always gets kind of pushed up the ladder. And you never really know like why didn't it fucking work but it just clearly like hasn't worked and they haven't gotten there on a creative level and that's why we're seeing what we're seeing and it's it sucks

well yeah and then I don't know we're saying that it's this like monumental change from TV to other avenues but when you think about like their consolidation process and where they're seeing value that's why I think it's a bigger shame and we talked about this on a couple podcasts ago but the GC Tiger tracker it's like there is just like a value-added bucket that's not TV, that literally could be its own business, of at least hiring a few employees based on ad revenue from the GC tagger tracker.

And that's why, like, when they make the change, and, you know, I feel like when we say go to Connecticut, it's like going down to, like, a single-A ball team when you're in the pros. Like, it has just a bad connotation to it. Like, you think, like, warm Florida hitting homers to literally, like, breaking ice off your car and, like, pitching in the back office

and trying to like warm up your fastball from 88 to like 89 and you still can't touch the pros. But that's why that G.C. Tiger tracker and everything that's happened there is sad in its own right. Because like when they're looking at the business value add, all we got to cut this or cut that. It's like someone, how do you not just look at that and be like, this is a different avenue? Thank God that we had a couple creative people that did this. Let's push that avenue and at least keep that going. So, you know, it's sad on a couple fronts of maybe not, you know, When Tiger was going well, everything was going well, and they weren't like revitalizing

different parts of their business and constantly being creative. Then maybe when that dropped off, their content wasn't like ever changing, ever growing and kind of moving with the times. And now when you see them like totally chop it and also cut the GC Tiger Tracker, it feels like, you know, not being too critical, but like there's just a ton of misses in that business with regards of the go forward plan, which is sad. Yeah, they just didn't know how to promote their stuff either. like you're saying that they have a podcast of Rory Maceroy and like I'm looking at the charts like

I mean four play number one golf podcasts in the world not a big deal not the steel spitting chicklets is a little fucking thing there but they're nowhere in the right I mean they're not they're not even close on the top one I don't even know where they are I couldn't keep scrolling but like if rory Macquarie McRae came on four play it would be the biggest guess we've ever had in our entire lives we'd be going absolutely fucking crazy and he just appears on that podcast every episode so like how is that not and they have an avenue in which they can put it on television. If you can handpick one PJ tour player to have a podcast right now, it's Rory McElroy.

He is by far the most interesting and thoughtful golfer they got on tour. And he is right now on a podcast and very few people know about it. And like, we have serious XM and like obviously those conversations are ongoing, whatever. That's like a Dave and Erica thing. But like when we have a platform that we finally get on, we put our like best people on it. right Dave has a show with pick central and then like brando walker's on for two hours and kfc has an hour and big cat's on for two hours and like they're putting them on so that the people with the big we we wherever we have big audiences and we know that it's a new avenue to

to promote other shows and other forms of content we put them on there so like imagine we had a golf channel Dave would be on there for four hours big cat would be on there they'd be promoting part of it would be like a no-brainer and they have rory mackeroi speaking every day and like they don't just like how do you not put like the video podcast up of that like for like a half an hour and like and have him do like wacky stuff like you're on fucking tv it's so much easier to grab eyeballs to the general public when you're just on tv than us like tweeting out shit trying to get retweets yeah and they did it right like they did it with a paywall so it's on the golf pass so that's kind of the route that they went and i i don't know how successful that is i have no clue but i know that

it doesn't make waves it doesn't no in any way and and you don't need to do a you don't need to do a you don't need to do like a paywall for a podcast because you can just sell ads into the podcast. And it's the same like with the Tiger Tracker where like let the creative people who were in the, who are the writers who were the four or eight, you know, writers who run that account, let them like turn it over to them. Maybe do like some sort of rev share, some sort of bonus structure where like if this account does X amount and revenue, and let them just get creative and figure it out. And then you actually don't have to do anything. You don't have even work.

You just turn it over to people who want to work harder, who want to get creative and thoughtful and come up with new ways to make money. And instead, they just do nothing. And it's, and they shut it down. That accounts just not tweeting during one of the more viral tiger weekends that he's ever had in the history of Twitter and social media. So it's just been clearly fumbled, clearly. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in this situation.

It's sad because the people that are the faces and voices of Golf Channel that we all know that we all follow are the ones getting punished. And a lot of them by losing their jobs, having to go job hunting, having to find a totally different kind of route in the golf industry, golf media industry, and that sucks. So it'll be, you know, interesting. We'll all watch to see how Golf Channel evolves. The morning drive is done over.

They did their last show on Sunday, I believe. And then I think golf today is going to be the new show. And they've got a couple like new hires. so they're going to clearly go some sort of different direction with it. It'll be interesting to see. But just thought we should discuss that and kind of put our thoughts out there. Did our guy, Shane Bacon, get hired by them? Did I see that?

Yeah, I don't know the full capacity, but Shane Bacon did get hired. You know, I saw him tweet about it last week. It was a little bit weird and that, like, he's tweeting about getting, like, hired and, like, it's at the same exact day on the same timeline, there's people that, like, lost their job that are sad, that the things leave, but that's the nature of it is. Like, that's, that's just what it is. So, um, big congrats like Shane Bacon.

It seems like a really cool opportunity in a something like pretty, um, pretty like stable that are going to be doing all the time. I don't know if what is connection to Connecticut's going to be if they're doing it more remote. I'm not really sure about that. But he did the way that I've seen him sort of tweet about it, whatever seems like a really cool kind of like opportunity and, and something that he's been striving for for a while. So Shane Bacon's great.

So him being on there, um, it could be, It'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see how it goes down, what they do with it. If they get a little bit more creative, I imagine that they will. I imagine that, like, us four talking about this in this way can't be the first time that golf channel suits have heard something like this. It just can't be. It's impossible.

So they must have thought about it. They must at least be trying to go in some kind of a different direction. And hopefully it's successful because golf channels, again, like as iconic for people that love golf as it gets. You wake up, you throw a golf channel on. And a lot of times, like, especially when we were blogging originally from home and then since quarantine, it's like golf channel is just on 24-7. Whatever they put on there is fucking on the TV.

That's just what it is. Yeah. It's a entire channel dedicated to golf. Like, that should be awesome. I mean, and then also, I mean, and they have affiliations with other networks and stuff. But like the fact that, like, you know, you go to other channels to watch the actual golf hurts as well, I feel like, too.

Like, I mean, I'm always just like, you know, you go, you watch the pregame stuff, basically but then like you know most pregame shows just go right into the actual golf and like when there's a major or whatever the fact that we're going to tn t or fox or mbc and stuff it does make you just change and i don't know if that was ever the case back in the day when they had more tournaments on golf channel but you know my upbringing of now watching golf in like my actual knowing what's going on years it's always been just like all right you throw on golf channel for the brandles of the world to tell you what's going on but i think it obviously would have been big or bigger if they got the tournaments and that's just like a money thing

I assume. Yeah. I mean, the, look, like the main, there was a time when I originally started watching Golf Channel, they didn't have any tournaments, none. Right. Like, they literally didn't have any tournament coverage. And then they got to a point where they were able to have about as much of it as, like, I feel like they could outside of, like, networks.

The networks are just going to dominate, like the CBS and the NBC contracts. But the aspect of like always, like the live. from stuff has always been great. Like, you know, you just turn, like, that's just on perpetually the whole week of a major tournament. And you get Randall and Duvall, like, at each other's throats about, you know, writer cups sometimes and a behind term. And it's awesome.

And they're like, you know, and they're breaking it down hardcore. And they, I mean, they go through the whole fucking field, like the masters is in every person. And then the strengths and the weaknesses. And you're just, like, obsessed with it. You can't wait for, you know, and it's really good. I remember, like, well, I have from coverage. so good on weeks where they a major is at a course that you don't know that well and like when

they would have nobelow out there dropping the balls and rolling them on the green and doing the flyovers and you're like trying to learn the course so that you're ready Thursday morning for the U.S. Open. I mean it's fucking great and and you know it'll be hopefully good and and hopefully they will the decisions they're making are going to even improve upon it but right now it's it's clear is that it's clearly indicative of some decisions that have been made and hopefully it works out of the first of the year. We talked about promoting stuff. Well, Owens. Owens is our title sponsor, our big sponsor, and they are for a reason. It's because we like to have a few cocktails, a few drinks, a big part of golf, huge part of golf, and there's really no one better to do it

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I saw one on Twitter that said, This wasn't one submitted. This is just a good. He said, would you live in Antarctica for five years and $228 million? Yeah. Yeah. What's your average? Your average, I mean, Janus just signed a deal with that exact amount.

And it's like, like, he has to play basketball and perform well and have media scrutiny. If I just have to move to Antarctica. Wait, wait, wait, wait, I have a question. So is it, you moved to Antarctica and you have to stay there for, Or you have to, you go and only have to stay there for five years and you can come back. You, you live in Antarctica for five years. So I believe the thing is you move to Antarctica. You live there for five years.

And then after the five years, you can just go back to doing whatever you want. Oh, my God. But when do you get that money, though? Because can I build a place in Antarctica? No, it's got to be post. So then you're just living in a tent with some warm soup? I think there's a good chance you would die. you went through Antarctica.

Like that's, I think that's a big part of it. Here's a stupid question. Do people not live in Antarctica? No. Oh. I don't know if that's a stupid question, though. There might be a few people to do. Well, maybe, but I think that they're only like researchers and like people.

I think they're only like researchers and explorers. I want to Google it really fast. There's researchers and explorers, but like if you found yourself to be, I mean, obviously you die if you're just in the wilderness. Obviously you die. If you find yourself into one of these little like, or like a fucking researcher lab. Like, yeah, that's going to be fucking brutal because you're essentially going to jail for

five years. But at the end of the day, like, if I'm walking out of jail with $220 million, sign me up. Sign me up for jail right now for five years. And if I, like, oh, I'm going to be 32 years old and I'm going to be worth $200 million in cash, what am I doing the next five years? It's going to get me even close to that. Nothing. Yeah, I'm just a little, I'm a little concerned that Antarctica is like when people try to climb Mount Everest and it's like not like you could just die.

I think it's like the population is from 1,000 to 5,000 seasonally. So I think 1,000 year round, 5,000 maybe a big fucking continent to only have 1,000 people. Right, not many, dude. Not many at all. And what I'm seeing here, there's a thousand people on my street right now. Right. Most of it, I'd say the majority of it is scientists being like, what the fuck's going on down here? Like that's not a place.

It's not a place you're going to vacation. I'll say that. Like in the winter in an article, like, you might, you need to be prepared. You need like a comp, you need more science protecting you that people have brought there than you know what to do with. And now you've got to go through five of those. Now, if it were just like you're saying, you just go down to a hut that's in kind of a miserable place, but like, whatever, and you come out with 220 Schmill, yeah, not a problem. But I think if you have to just, like, if they just drop you off on Antarctica and you just need to

like live for five years and then you're good, I don't know that I would do it because I think I would die. I mean, I see three sunrises if that's the case. Like, I barely there. I'm there for a couple days and I'm dead. I don't even know if the sunrises in Antarctica. Dude. I don't know.

Sorry, you get no Wi-Fi. You get nothing. Nothing, man. You just have Antarctica. I'm looking at this fucking picture of this. You'd be a different person when you came back. I'm looking at this picture of this little, like, scientific village in Antarctica. If you just type in, can you live in it? Like, that looks, and then there's people there.

And, but I don't know that anyone could survive there for five years. Are you looking at that, like, red hut? Yes, the red. It's like a bunch of red huts in one little circle. Yes. And then there's, like, another picture of a dude eating, and then there's just a penguin next to him. So that would be pretty cool for a little bit. But then it's just too damn cold, man.

This article I'm reading says that scientists at most stay there for 15-month contracts. So, like, I think you're going to say. Yeah, you'd be a different person. Now, you'd come back with a lot of money, but you would be out of this world weird probably at that point. Also, there'd be so much to catch up on if you didn't have connection to the internet or anything. Right now, it's negative 14 degrees in Antarctica. Is that Fahrenheit or Celsius? Fahrenheit.

I got to tell you, I think the no Wi-Fi part seems like the most appealing part to me. Sometimes, sometimes I just want to shut off the internet. Right, but for five years. Yeah, but for five years, Trent? Oh, Wednesday it's going to get. You see Trent just banging two sticks together like year three and a half? I'd have $220 million at the end of it and five thousand tweets I'd want to send. I'd be ready to fire off a bunch of them.

When you write them down and then tweet them out when you get back? Yeah. Wednesday, December 30th, it's going to be, a little bit of shower. Negative 49 degrees is going to feel like. So what? It's just hail. $28 million.

It's raining at that point. Yeah, no, a little snow shower. I mean, it's freezing. Whatever's falling is frozen. Dude, negative 49 degrees Fahrenheit. With only eight mile an hour wind. So that's just straight cold. My brother lived in Alaska.

He played hockey in Fairbanks, Alaska, a year of junior hockey up there. and there were in the winter time, it got down to that, like minus 30, minus 40, minus 50 days, where they would fill up like a bucket of like boiling hot water, go outside, throw it in the air, and it would turn to ice and then shatter by the time it landed. Oh, Jesus.

So would you risk it? I would risk it. Yeah, I would. I don't know. I don't know that I would, man. Dude, like, I'm reading these, like, they tried to colonize Antarctica, like this dude in 1971, a team led by German architect Frye Otto, tried to get an air-supported city dome.

Like, it could house 40,000 reasons. That's the other thing, like, oxygen and heat, like, heat, you need fucking power down there. Like, could you survive for five years? I don't think you could. I mean. If you had some sort of livable area, I would do it. So you're basically just saying, yeah, just go into, like,

solidarity confinement for five years and just stare at a wall you can't go outside you can step like a fisherman you can step outside not even you step outside for like a second it's negative 49 degrees you literally will like die and then you go back inside it's basically like living on the moon would you do it break and the more i talk about it i don't think i mean i can't the other day my room slipped down to like 68 degrees and i was like oh like i put on a fucking uh i started like tiptoeing around in my robe. I'm like, I don't know if I can handle this tonight. I'm soft, so I don't think I could do it. I want to say that I would be able to do jail, I think, for five years. Yeah. I mean, we talk about that fucking putting thing. No way. I'd rather

do Antarctica than jail. What? For sure. What, dude? Bro. Three person? What are you talking about? Bro. Bro. Bro, what? You'd rather be, I mean, you're not a free person. You're literally on an ice island in the the bottom of the year. It's the worst jail in the world. Have you watched, have you ever watched one prison show? Oh,

you're worried about getting fucking, like, dropping the soap? Sure, that's a problem. But second of all, are you not worried about that? Yeah,

I am. I'm just saying. You'd be smoking. Bro, yeah, sure. I am worried about that, but there's also jails that, like,

you just, that this doesn't happen in, right? Like, like, what kind of jail is it? Like, is it just like a fucking, who, I'm taking Antarctica all day.

A lot of guys go to jail and they come in, Now, I mean, that not a lot of guys can survive in Antarctica. Listen to me. My point with jail, you got to make sense to fucking me. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying to you, Trent, is that Antarctica is just a worst jail. It's like you're still in a fucking box and it's negative 49 degrees outside.

At least jail, you can go out and shoot some hoops. You can get ripped. You can fucking, you eat. You eat, like, you eat food. You can see the sun. You actually get to see family members if they want to, like, see you. in what world is going to Antarctica any better than going into a jail in your hometown? You were in jail.

Lurch was, you know, see, you got to make a distinction between jail and prison. Because jail, like a local jail, like that's different. If you go to prison, it's like Lurch was saying you would come back from Antarctica with like a different mindset. If you go to prison for five years, you also got a whole different mindset. Like I would rather deal with Antarctica and polar bears. than fucking prison and whatever goes on in there. No, no, no, no. You're like, I mean, you would be,

you would be in such trouble in prison that it's not even funny. Right, but I think to Frankie's point, he'd be dead in Antarctica. He just wouldn't, that little body, his inability to problem solve, he would be dead in Antarctica. Jail, he would come out of,

but he would be a changed person and also a he would have some trouble dropping the soap in jail. I do think you guys think going to Antarctica is like going to Connecticut or something. Your life is legitimately in danger every single day in Antarctica. Who are describing prison? Dude, I just like, I'd rather just be in my like cell where there's like a little bit of like regular sun and they just like hand me food underneath a thing. like I would just never leave that room

and I'd rather be there than in Antarctica where if you leave your room you're a free person yeah to do what did you watch the show the night of on HBO yeah that's bad just think about that I don't want to go and I don't think any of us I guess that's bad but like

that dude survived better than he would have in Antarctica you don't think so you don't think that guy survived better than he would have in Antarctica for five years he came out and just just like went home like that was a little bit more to it than that but a little bit um i don't know i i guess i maybe i don't have the the correct vision of what it would be like to live in antarctica like i don't think you're sitting in a little wooden fucking house and you're here in the wing go

and you're just like what the fuck and you step outside it's negative 49 degrees and you're like what the fuck i got to do this for five years good luck being a fisherman and like fucking catching some fucking frozen-ass trout. It gets down to details of like, how do I get food? How do I? How does my house stay warm? But I'd also like not love to get shanked in the kidney. We do the same debate.

I don't know why you guys are like acting like we don't do the same debate of if you have five putts from five feet and every putts $10 million and every mist putt put is a year in jail. We all are like, all right, yeah, no problem. If I make two, I do three years in jail, I come out with 20 mil. We're talking 200 mil to just do that for five years and then just come out with the more money than you can ever fucking imagine. That's a fair point. I'm probably a bit inconsistent in that regard.

Completely inconsistent. There's soundbites of you being like, put me in jail. I like jail. Okay. That's not true. I think you can search our entire archive and I'm like, you know what? I love jail. It's an interesting debate.

Antarctica, it just seems, $228 million. I think I'm really very torn, very torn on jail slash prison versus Antarctica. And I do think, I think there's a chance you would actually live, you'd be living a better life in prison than in Antarctica. But I don't, I do believe that there's something about being like behind bars and having like armed men usher you around in order for you to go piss. and stuff that clearly, I don't know, I can get old, like, I don't, I don't know that there's anything worse than that.

Here's what it boils down to. I am more scared of a, of a group of gentlemen who have been in prison for a very long time than I am of the cold weather. Seeing those, seeing those B cups strolling, seeing Trent walk in being like, oh, boy, we got a meeting one, fellas. Yeah, no. We both day. Let's have fun.

Dude, you're going to get fucked in the ass by a poll. bear. Good. That's better. I think that's better. Sorry. Sorry to get graphic on a four-play Wednesday before fucking Christmas Eve, but... Yeah, not so merry there. No, but like, we're all thinking, and the polar bear could do just as much damage, just as much damage. I would argue worse. Yeah, I would ever see a polar bear. Oh, we saw

a polar bear at that golf course in Vero Beach. Oh, yes. Dude, remember that, yeah, well, it was a fucking stuffed one. Oh, and quail in the locker room. Yeah, then, Waltz. Dude, remember how tall that thing was? Yeah, but this is a little different. No, I think, I think a polar bear would just break my neck and it'd be.

Bro, it was like 12 feet high. That thing was massive. Standing up, its claws were like a foot long. It was crazy how big that thing was. Kind of a scary locker room that, I remember that. That place was a little scary. It was just death all around us. It was fucking weird.

Out of left field, too. You're just like out of a golf course in Florida. And then there's just a bunch of dead animals. It was like a target golf course in Viro Beach, Florida, where you had to iron off the tea boxes and, like, water all over the place. A perfectly manicured golf course with, like, transfusions and egg sandwiches. And then you go into the locker and put on your socks. And there's a 12-foot polar bear standing there that was just murdered in plain daylight.

It was fucking. weird man it's like wait a minute i was just like hitting a wedge onto a green like playing like the most like innocent game in the world and now i'm looking at just destruction death and like carnage i just want to put my socks on okay next one um this is something somebody submitted something similar and then i was thinking about it because i was looking okay i kind of was thinking about this one when the uh master's coverage it was like a week before the masters and you know, they start to, like, in their promo packages, they start to show highlights and get you hyped and whatnot.

I started thinking about, like, what is the most viewed, like, shot in the history of golf? Like, what shot has been viewed the most ever? And I was trying to go through, like, what type of shot that might be? And, like, is it Tiger's Chip from the Masters in 05? Is it, like, Jack Nichols' putt? when they say like, yes, sir, is it, I was, I was, and you got to factor into like the time, right? Like, so the Jack, if Jack in 86, like his put, well, he's had 20 more years than like Tiger's

stuff has been since the invention of the internet. So it's like, his just gets viewed so quickly. So I was just trying to think. Like, does anybody have any thoughts on like what the most viewed shot in the history of golf would be? I would say Tiger's chip or the put at TPC, the better than most. I would say one of those two shots is without question the number one shot in playing golf. It's the chip, I think, and it's not even close.

Yeah, because that commercial, that Nike ad? The commercial, it's the most iconic moment in the sport. And when you're talking about the most iconic moment in the sport, you're then talking about the most viewed moment in the sport. It's, it's. I actually don't think it's even close. Like I think if you talk about like MJ, like there's multiple moments of MJ's career

where like what was more viewed, like is it the jump up and like celebration? Is it the fucking crazy dunk? Like I feel like Tiger, it's the chip. But here's one that I think it could be like it could be his final like three foot put in 97 when he won. Like and then he did that first fist bump with the master's scoreboard behind.

leaderboard behind them. Like, they show that all the time in like every promo that they've ever done for the tournament. And like, they just show that all the time. So, like, I think more people have sought out to like watch the full shot of Tiger's chip because it's more iconic. But in terms of like what has actually been viewed the most ever, I'm not convinced that it's that chip. Like, I don't know that I actually on my, on an average like week in my life. I don't know that I see that chip more than I see, like, the tiger putt when he, when he, when he, or even the putt when he, like, one in 08. That's what I, that's the one I was thinking, the, to force a playoff, that 2008, yeah, that U.S. Open putt, that's got to be up there.

When he does the double fist pump, when he goes like that, like that. Massively famous, but the chippin is just, I don't know. I think you're probably right, but it's interesting to think about what the other candidates would be. I think the 2008 U.S. Open is up there. the Nicholas Putt. The better than most, that's a good one. That is a good one. The waste management hole in one.

That could be a good one. Yeah. Yeah, when he raises the roof. That's a good one, but it's also one that, like, you'll forget he did. And when you see it, you're like, holy fuck. Like, what a moment that was. Like, that happened to me the other day when they showed that during, like, the Charlie thing. They put that up there, and I'm like, once the footage went to that, like, shot,

you're like, oh, he's about to hit a home one here. But you just, like, forget that he's about to hit a home one here. but you just like forget that he made a whole one there and went crazy. Phil Mickelson's master's putt. That'd be a good one. The jump in the air? Yeah. There's no way that that's close.

No, no, I know. I'm just saying like if we're talking to top ten. All right. All right. You know who's actually probably the closest is Payne Stewart's putt? Yeah. Yeah. A good one.

That's pretty fucking really good one. That's pretty repurposed. I mean, it's a statue. I wouldn't say that that's close. To the Tiger Chip, just that Nike ad that played... Oh, no, it's not close, but I think it's one and then like... Oh, a couple. You're just mentioned...

A hundred is number two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I think, at least. I do think the chip is like far... It's just... I mean, I know that the putt is shown, but I don't know that you can watch any Masters footage without them showing that chip.

I don't know that... I don't know if that's even allowed. I think it's in the contract that they have to show that. That is the Masters. It's Nike. And there's a lot of... There's a lot of areas on... on August, obviously, where you can be like, that's where the Bubba shot, that's a big one,

where you can go around and be like, this is where this happened, everyone goes to 16 and is like, that's where it happened. Right. No brainer. Oh, totally. I'm just, yeah, I was just trying to think about, I guess, I was seeing, I think I saw a compilation that was like the tiger putt from 08, the tiger chip, the Nicholas putt.

And I was just thinking, like, I wonder which one of these I've seen the most times ever. just, you know, and I will say that ball, like, even just the section of the clip of the chip of just the ball, even show Tiger, of just the ball rolling into the hole, like they show that all the time. You almost can't make a professional golf promo and not include it. Yeah. You just have to include it. That's like a, that's a moment that doesn't even seem real. Here's a question that came up, and it's kind of, I mean, it's Tiger.

because we were talking about me and my buddies were talking about Charlie Woods and how he probably hasn't had the same upbringing. He hasn't had the same upbringing as Tiger, obviously. Like we've all read that book. But he, do you think that Tiger Woods has taken the most golf swings of all time? And if so, like, do you think it's like, or do you think there's just like a regular fucking college athlete that like just swings more than Tiger? Or like, or does Justin Thomas like at his age have more swings?

Tiger. Might be VJ. Singh. I would say Tiger's not like the top 100 for most swings. Well, like it went to his age group. Like I know there's fucking guys that are 80 that are still playing. Like, but I'm saying like up until his age right now, like has he taken the most swings? I don't know if I agree with that lurch. You got to think about when his hand first touched a golf club and when like is early. Like we're like he picked it.

Like some of us, we picked up the game when we were teenagers. And that's just how it is. But he was two years old, and Earl was like, take this thing, swinging around your back, and then swing it through. And then it was like, that was it forever. He could have taken a thousand swings at the age of two years old. Certainly on the age group, yeah. But on the last couple of years, he's falling off. But it can't be a college athlete that now has, like, a job and is also hitting golf balls.

Because all the practice rounds that they do, all the just, like, hitting a thousand balls a day to work on a draw and a cut. like there's no way in comparison that a pro athlete would or like an amateur would be close to a pro but he's got to be very close to the top of most swings of his age like you have to say like Tiger Woods is taking more swings than Phil Mickelson I would say yeah but I would say for sure yeah right I would say for sure yeah but you also too you got to realize there were like a three or four year stretch in like the last seven years where Tiger like logged like for all intents of purposes like zero like he just wasn't couldn't even walk yeah right so did Phil catch up to all those two to eight years old swings when Tiger was whatever 35 to whatever he was 30 to whatever yeah right if you

asked this question in 20 you know 2009 you asked that question he's like number one but now it's just been such a weird decade that yeah Phil might have been taking more hacks than Eldridge. I'd love to know what he, how many swings Tiger thinks that he's taken. Like, like, what number would come out of his mouth? Like, if he really thought about it, because he has to

have some sort of regiment, regimented, is that the word? Yeah, a regimented. A regimented, like, schedule of how many he takes a day and he could sort of do the math, like of a recent schedule. Like, he knows he takes 200 pre-round, two,

post, 500 on a day off. He knows that. And maybe he could be like, all right, if I've done that for last 10 years. And then before that, I used to do 500, 500,000. Like, is it, is it 2 million swings? Is it 10 million swings? Is it 100 million? Like, what's the number? My brain can't compute it. Well, all of his PGA tour swings are recorded. So you start there. And then you, you got to start, you, like, that's the number. I think there's a Google that says how many swings is time you're taking on the tour? I bet he could get pretty close. I bet he could get pretty close. I bet it might have been an interesting estimate.

Like, I don't even know how much, how many balls are the pro hit a day? If you're in like peak season, how many balls are you trying to hit a day? And I'm sure that varies based on where your game's at. But like, what's the average that you think you hit? Like, I would be amazed at that number. Here's another thing that's got to be factored in why I don't, I don't think it would be the craziest thing ever for it to be like some businessman amateur is like the number. number one because pros are very methodical when they when they hit balls like their each shot has

a purpose and you practice with a purpose and they even go through like a routine a good amount of the time and so whereas like you can get some amateur out there who's some rich guy who just loves who's just banging him for fucking years and years it would be funny like we think oh is it tiger oh is it Phil no it's the CFO of the life insurance company who's just out at the range every day trying to figure this shit out it's like five balls a minute and he just goes for hours and hours and he never ever stops and he's been doing it for 30 years because he sucks and he wants it like that would be very funny if that were the number one but it would be amazing but like his body would break down like you know like he just

couldn't do it like like that cfo has just got a pot belly he's got a body like frankie maybe like but much bulkier but that kind of build where just no muscle and then just a pot belly but I'm interested now like what your guy's ratio is of range balls to like in play course balls like what's your ratio I would say that mine my ratio is like one to 10 of driving range shot to on on course shot and then you said that in a way that I can't understand it like so what's your so if you've hit X amount of range balls in your life and you've hit X amount of range balls in your life and you've hit X amount of like course like while playing an actual golf course balls in your life what is the ratio of that so you think for every range ball you fit you've hit 10 on course balls

yes and I think that might even be low I mean no I think I've hit more range balls and I think it's a significant amount more than then I think no oh because I'm with you frank way more range ball way more do because think about You're thinking of like when you're shooting 100 and like that's 100 swings. But to me like putts aren't like a part of that. And like I'm actually taking hacks. I'm taking 120 hacks on the range when I just do a regular range session. Like dude, when I was going to Eisenhower, I would just get two large buckets and I would go like all the time.

And I would play golf maybe four or five times that whole year like that summer. Like when I was fucking like 15, 16, 17, I like would just like barely get out. I'd go with my dad to whatever and we just go. I was definitely thousands of balls. Yeah, at my time I like early on when you first pick up the game where it's almost all range

and then like you're saying, Frankie, when your dad's like, let's go play 18, that's definitely further in between than just pounding in a bucket of balls at the range as a kid. And then it shifts obviously. Like as you get older,

maybe evens out a little bit and then now if you live in New York, you go to the range for 20 minutes before a round and then you play. So it's a little different. But early on, I hit way more range balls than I played. Dude, like when we did these scrambles,

like I'm like, I also hit 70 balls on the range, you know? Like, you don't think, like, I mean, I went through two of those fucking, like, like when there was those little bags, I wanted to. Right. And so that's less than a course round. No, it isn't. Because the course round, you're only hitting 40 to 50 shots.

Like, you have 30-something putts and, like, 10 or 15 chips. You shoot 85. You only hit 40 to 50 shots. I'm ripping 30 drivers on the range. I'm hitting only fucking 11 or 12. putts, I think I'm still like one range ball, five, five in play balls. I think, I don't go to the range ever. So here's a little arc.

This is a typical day of practice for Tiger Woods. I guess he laid it out. It was two hours of driving range work and an on-course swing work in the morning, followed by 30 minutes of putting. Around noon, he'd play nine holes. And in the afternoon, he'd do another three to four hours of on-course work focusing on swing and short game. So that's just, that's five hours of practicing.

the swing and hitting golf balls plus nine hours of nine holes of afternoon play. That's a practice day. That's a practice day. Yeah, that's crazy. Five hours of hitting golf balls. How many golf balls are you hitting five hours? But they're not bashing balls. No, but he's still hitting hundreds.

Right, hundreds for sure. Yeah, like Rick said, it's more methodical than your average hacker, but it's five hours of dude. Well, we went on the range behind Tiger. He must have hit a fucking hundred balls like at Bethpage right in our little viewing of it before the right i mean he was there for an hour just hitting constantly i don't know if he hit 100 but yeah let's say it hits one every like 60 seconds that's like you're there for five hours like 300 golf balls that's like that's uh that's if he hits one every 60 like i'm sure he goes

through phases where he gets starts ripping him quicker i'm sure he sits i mean i know from reading like Hank candy's book where he would tiger would take minutes off at a time where he would just like sit in the cart and think about like what they're working on on because like just trying to like hit it again doesn't work he's like needs to process it and think about it but like yeah that's hundreds of golf balls like a day and that adds up quickly so quickly so quickly when you see their wedges and like when he shows his wedges in the ballmark after hitting yeah just probably a month worth of golf balls honestly i like i have no idea when that erosion starts to take place after you just hit the center of the club face

that square, but you see it just eroded in the middle. It's like, I don't know. I think I forgot what the original question was. So sick. What is the original question? Who's hit the most golf balls in the world? Man. It's hard to pin one person down, but I think when you start comparing it,

it's like has Tiger swung more than, like, someone who's, like, V.J. Singh. Like, has Tiger swung more than Pat Perez? They grew up kind of together. Like playing the same fucking tournaments. Like Tiger Woods has just swung more than Papuares. Pat Perez would say yes. Yeah, I think that's a yes.

Yeah, it is interesting when you start comparing players. Players to just the normal world, like you're comparing a guy whose job it is to hit golf balls as opposed to a guy whose job it is to work at an office. And that's the players they're going to have a decided advantage there. But player to player, Pep Perez is a good one. How many rounds? You guys, and we're all like skewed now because we've played a ton of golf in the last two years.

But how many rounds of golf do you think you've played? Oh, man. Is it under a thousand? Has to be for me. Has to be for me. Probably. Like that's so many rounds of golf. So many rounds of golf.

I would say I'm only like five or 600. Right. Because if I think about like my summers when I was like 17, 18, 19 and I was really like able to play because you're not in high school anymore. you're like whatever. I was in community college. I was able to play like 10 to 12 rounds of summer. That's a lot for just a regular golfer. That's a lot of rounds.

Think about like you get out like one or two times like a week maybe, like maybe twice in a weekend like during the summer months. Like that's, you're playing all the time if you play 12 rounds in a summer, all the time. Yeah. I mean, I think I only picked up the game after college. And before college, I only played probably like 10 to 15 rounds in my life. And then, I mean, I probably, even if I average 40 rounds a year for the last 10 years, like, it's not a lot of rounds of golf a year.

Right. But like, we've played a lot of golf. Totally. Yeah. And so I would think that my average is somewhere probably around like 33 rounds a year for the last 10 years. So you're only talking about 330 plus, you know, called another 50 rounds before that. And so you're still like at 380 rounds. Like, yeah, I think averaging 33 is low.

Really? Yeah. Dude, I don't think many people have the access to be able to play like multiple times in a weekend. I'm talking about work. I've no, I've no work for a time. And I'm like, we go on, like a few of the golf trips we've gone on. We'll play fucking six, seven, eight rounds in a golf trip. Yeah, then, yeah, that's what I was about to say.

I don't think the average golfer plays multiple times in a weekend. I think the average golfer gets out there on a Saturday. No, I know they do. I told me 100% agree with that. But I just looking at our own numbers. Yeah. I would say like the average round for like, you know, Joe Schmoe is 19 rounds a year, like between like 18 and 22. And then if you have kids, I mean, you can play with like, you know, I play with friends and they're like, oh, I haven't played in like two and a half months.

It's just like I can't get out. Like I got this and that going on. So what do you think your number is? 500, you said? I would say my number is at like 425. So even at that then you would be, let's say 425 times. 50 swings is going to be what, like 20-something? 4.29 times 50.

Everybody's trying to do my- 125,250 swings. So you don't think you've hit that many balls on the range? No. No way, in fact. That number is outrageously high. What? Only outrageous because you heard it there. But I bet if you started thinking about your range sessions,

you would, I think you'd pass that number. You hit the range. a lot of the times before you played each round of golf. Not true, not at all. I try to. I would say most rounds, you just go to the first tee and see what you got. For me, out of ten rounds for me, I'd probably hit the range seven or eight times. Okay, ten rounds for me, I'm hitting the range once.

Woof! I feel like every time we've played, we've hit the range. Yeah, but those are like with pros and stuff like that that we'll go. Yeah, but like that's just when we've played. Right. When we went to like all these like travel series, we hit the range. And when we can't, we're like rattled. We're like, all right.

Like in Australia, we're like, I guess we're stepping up to the fifth T. You're like, we haven't even taken a swing yet. We were going crazy. We're like, this is just abnormal. Barnbougal, we didn't. I mean, yeah, but like that was closed. Like these are all things that like we had no control over. The range was closed at Barambuble.

We were hitting golf balls onto the first hole as range balls. Oh, yeah. I always try to go to the range if I can. I'd say mine, I'm like 70 to 8% of the time I'm at the range before if I can. Riggs, what do you think your ratio is of range, range sessions to rounds? Total swings hit like on a range versus total swings hit on a course. Sure. Probably like, probably two or three to one, like range ball versus course ball.

Okay. You had a couple years. But granted, though, that you were going up there, putting in the headphones and dialed. That was, I think, when your game was at its best, like, a short game was just impeccable back then. So you had a lot of range sessions then that I don't have, because I would meet you guys after at, like, I would leave Oracle and drive down. I'd just meet you on the first tee and then off we'd go. Yeah, I would, yeah, and Granite Links had a range with lights on it that was open until 10 p.m. And there was, like, a stretch working, like, sales, where.

I'd come back, get off work at like five or six, and you could literally go up to the range at Granite, put headphones in, you go to them like there was like a member's range on the backside, and then the public range, which is an absolute shit show. But you could go up there for two, three hours before they show the lights off and hit balls.

And it was like, what else are you going to do? Like, why not? God, that place is so sweet. But yeah, I would hit a ton of balls. But I would say in the last, dude, when you moved to New York,

I think a lot of people listening that don't live in New York, probably don't get it. That like, I, I'm now having been in Scottsdale for a month, I'm re-immersed in the fact that you can just get into a car, drive to a driving range in less than five minutes, and hit balls for like as long as you want, and it doesn't cost that much money,

and it's just incredibly accessible. In New York, dude, there's legitimately not an option to go hit balls. The only option is like Chelsea Pierce, which is like a novelty experience thing that costs $30 or $40 for a bucket of balls. Right. And you're getting off mats and you have like a time limit.

It's not, you're not really hitting balls. So you go do that like once a year with your buddies that are in town. But other than that, like unless you go to a golf course and a lot of courses in New England, especially around the New York City, Tri-State area, don't even have driving ranges really. Like Wingfoot is one of the best, maybe the best 36-hole golf facility in the world. They have 36 of the sickest golf holes Tilling Hass in the world.

They host the U.S. Open every 10 years. Like, they don't have a driving range there. They literally don't have a, they have like, you can hit an eight iron on the range off I'm at. That's all they have. And like Baltas are all similar. Like Baltas has like a really small little range. So like just hit into a hill. It's like the weirdest thing in the world. You're going to play this world class golf course and you go hit a couple balls into a hill. Like it's so weird. Driving ranges just aren't that prevalent in the northeast, especially again like in the tri-state area. So I will say like the last four years since we've been doing this a lot. Like I there was a stretch for like a year where I would tell people we'd show up or if we'd get invited out to a cool club.

and like and they'd be like oh yeah like how's your game be like you know like it's just my game is just what it is when I show up because like we can't practice golf anywhere and like five iron golf guys are great like that was maybe the most we ever did where we'd go in there a little bit and like hit balls on the simulator range but which is cool but it's still not the same thing it's not the same thing as like watching the ball fly and hitting off grass but it is great like those they popped up they'd had to get creative and come up with ideas to like allow people to practice golf and feel like you're hitting the range. Five Iron is fucking fantastic

time. But that's like fun. You're not really like grinding. You're having a good time there. You're having drinks. You're playing around a golf. You can go play Pebble. But like actually going and working on your game at a driving range if you live in New York, unless you're rich and belong to a really sick club, that's close. Like,

you just can't really do it. Yeah, it's a shame. I mean, Riggs, we bike to Chelsea Pierce and like, you put the clubs across your handlebars. You bike over to Chelsea Pier. By the time you get over there, it's like, you know, it's half hour. Then you get to Chelsea Pier and it's just mob. So then you wait for like an hour and 15 minutes for a little box. You share it. And then by that point, you're like, all like we're going to go meet buddies at like

five or six for drinks. It's already like 430. We're going to be here for a half hour. Let's just try to hit like rope hooks into the net or mash drives and see if you can reach the back net. Like it just, then it becomes like, well, I didn't actually work on any part of my game. I'm just kind of just destroying this golf ball. Like, let's just get out of here. You go have a beer. Like, I'm glad we did it just to say that I did something. It's literally, it's not, it's not made for practice.

It's made for an experience, like a novelty experience, like you said. Yeah. So, yeah, it's interesting. You know, I think, I do think, like, the range balls just add up more than the swing. You just don't, you know, like if it takes, it takes four and a half, five hours a lot of times to take, what, 50 swings on a golf course. And like, you can hammer those out in fucking 30 minutes on the driving range. So I just think that those add up for me over time. But yeah, you go through stretches where you don't, you know, and like the nature of what we do is we kind of some, a lot of places we do show up.

We're trying to film stuff. We're trying to get it done. And like, we don't do a ton of range time. we're just on the course and like you're hitting more balls on the course than you are in the range. So yeah, I don't know. It's close. Closer than I thought for me. Yeah. Not for me. I think I hit a lot more range balls. I definitely have hit more, but it's closer than I thought, I guess I would say. Speaking of training, whoop, day strain training, I got, I've noticed now my whoop picks up when we're playing golf. It's like it's detected a golf activity, which is so,

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family that you're alive so whoop is cool go to whoop.com check out the six month plan and boom it's going to be zero dollars tom says what is the worst golf advice you've ever received any advice from my buddy who's playing who's like at my level or something like that when i'm having a bad day i would say is the worst advice that i'll ever receive just like hey you're doing this. It's like, dude, let me be. I don't know if I'm qualified to say that any advice given to me is the worst, because that is then up to me to put it into practice, and that's where the disconnect comes. Like, I think aside from the Kisner knuckle tip, you could give me a piece of advice, but I'm not sure if I'm able to follow through with said advice. You know what I mean?

Yeah, but you'll, I agree. But like my question to sometimes view is, like, do you want a piece of advice before you like if I give you something that I'm going to try to help you with because it's unwarranted but I agree with that of like well now I can't even put that into practice which is almost why I really don't want a piece of advice why I'm playing because I'm not sure that I can recreate that effectively to hit a better golf shop right I always like when like I take it I'll take any advice from you guys because you guys are all better than me especially Lurch. When Lurch will give me tips,

I usually say yes because it's, I know it's coming from a place where improvement is likely going to happen. But any, yeah, I agree with what you said Lurchie. Anybody who is that a single level to you?

What? Why don't you guys kiss on the lips? I will, dude. That's what I got, I will. Do that five years in prison. You'll be doing a lot of it. If I,

well, yeah, if you're like at a similar level to me. All advice is usually coming from a good place, but if you're at the same level as someone, it's kind of like, why don't you keep your eyes on your own paper. Yeah, I don't know that I have like one bad piece of advice. It's more like they can't explain it to me like I can understand it. Oddly, like I've gotten all these same, the same chipping lesson from 15 different people it feels like multiple professionals, some like the best of the best. Like I mean, fucking Robbie

Mac just works with Tiger Woods. and still like, like, he's giving me all these tips. But, like, even the way Paige Spirannick, like, explained it to me where she was just like, no, like, that all makes it 100% sense. But, like, if you just turn your belly button and face the, like, the flag when you're followed through, like, it's going to actually do a lot of the things that are saying. Like, you're just, she took a picture, basically showed me I wasn't moving.

It's like, oh, yeah, that kind of made more sense than, like, when Bryson tried to explain to me, the force of the gravitational pull, hitting the bottom of the ball and spinning and reacting in a certain way that like the coefficient of the restitution of the flag stick will allow it to fall it's like I don't know dude like that's bad advice for me because I don't know what the fuck you're talking about I know what I have to do just explain to me like the easiest way to do it it's like it's like explaining a math problem right are you gonna like sorry keep going well no it's just like when you learn like you have certain teachers in math like I was bad in math growing out just like I couldn't fucking understand

it's just something I'm like Yeah, but it's just like, and I had problems with the teachers where I'd be like, like, you know, this means nothing. But not any, every other subject, like, every other subject I was a good student, like love social studies, love science, like loved all that stuff. English even, like I enjoyed like all that, but math, I just had a problem with them. And it's, but you really saw the difference between like one year we had a really good teacher that's like, no, like you may have learned it this way. but if you just pay attention to this part of this equation, it's so much easier to apply it to the rest of it. And you're like, holy fuck.

It's like the light bulb goes off. You're like, oh, my God. All I had to do is turn my belly button. And I'm also taking the bottom of the club head through the ball and I'm making contact on the line that Bryson drew. It's, you know what I mean? It's about the way that the tip is given as opposed to the actual tip. We all know what a good golf swing is.

How do you apply it and execute it? is the way that we need the tip. Yes. I mean, you can know how people learn. Like, I think that's a big thing of like, you know,

people say like class sizes and stuff. If you have smaller class sizes, potentially like the teacher will engage you at a deeper level, the way you think. Because I do think mathematics is, like, you need to know how people think through the equation and how their brain takes to it because like,

you know, 2x is equal to 5x can foul people up and like X just has to be zero, you know, but like you can go down into like a, weird wavelength, but it's all the way you go through it. And I see you shaking your head. No, I was just like, it just triggered me. Riggs, Riggs goes, he always gets on me because we go and play with these pros. And the pro will say something in pretty much like science. And I'm a layman's term guy. And so then I'll look at him and Riggs will see my face like light up with kind of

excitement like now, what did you just tell me? What did you just say over there? And then Riggs will be like, you just focus on like the two things that you think about and hit the golf ball. But then lo and behold, by like the third hall, I'll be like, now, Joel, what did you say about like standing the club up straighter? Like, what do you mean by that?

And, and Riggs would be like, now we're like, he's out for the next three holes. Because you hit the ball, you do it when you're hitting it well. That's what I don't get. You'll be clearly hitting it well.

And then someone will say something. And then you'll have a horrible swing like two holes later. And you'll be like, yeah, he said something. And I'm like, well, why are you?

you're hitting it great. Why are you worried about this other thing that this other person is thinking about in their own swing that's totally different than your swing? Like, it's just, that's crazy. Yeah, it's a little crazy, but maybe that's the Tiger effect. You want a bunch of majors and then just destroyed his swing

and started over. So maybe I'm like Tiger. Yeah, for me, I would say the worst golf advice is pretty much anything I've ever seen on Instagram or like people that don't, sort of along the lines everybody's saying people that don't have any clue what you're actually trying to work on and instead think that saying what you just need all the things that you just need to fix and make perfect is equatable to golf advice right whereas like some of the accounts that I do follow on Instagram with like instructional stuff I think it's really important that they harp on like feel versus real and like where you're trying to get versus like where you're actually at. And a huge part of that is people,

like not understanding that you're, your, you're like thinking in your head of you're trying to get to somewhere is not the same as like trying to get somewhere. Like you're trying to open your club face more in your back swing than like doing a rehearsal swing where your toe is pointing at like the sky. People are like, oh, that's too much in your rehearsal swing. It's like, no, I know.

but like in my actual swing I can't get anywhere close to that so when you're a rehearsal swing you try to open the face like you exaggerate the fuck out of it and then what you'll get is the responses that people are like no no what you're trying to do is too much like no no I know but do you see the actual fucking swing so I think the worst advice is like when people give advice not understanding what you're actually trying to like work on and instead just telling you like oh you need to risk you need to hinge your wrists earlier and then move your hips to the best and then also rotate it's like well no shit you're just saying you just swing like tiger woods or roy macro i get that but like how do you actually get there which is kind of what frankies like

how do i get there is actually what i need to hear from you not just like what a perfect swing is i know i can see what a perfect fuck is off yeah we watch it all the time on tv we know we got to get it up and we got to get it through it's like how do you get there yeah i i um i think it's all about the teacher not the um not necessarily like the actual thing that has to be done you know what i mean because the thing that has to be done is the same, but you have a thousand different people with a thousand different variations of how to get there. And who is that right person out of the thousand people is the biggest thing?

Yeah, I very much agree. Okay. We've been going, what, an hour and 20 minutes here? I think we're good, folks. The lurch dropped it. Lurch did a classic corporate lurch thing that makes, it's like we're on a podcast. We're just talking about getting,

having sex with polar bears in Antarctica, and he writes a little message that blurps up like got a drop boys like someone's pinging me it's like dude just say it on the podcast you like what's going to happen like why doesn't he just say that stuff on the podcast not only did he he texted all of us into the group and there's also a a messaging feature on zoom that he then went to as well and was like hey i got to drop like yeah just say it man this is the most informal podcast ever most informal podcast ever and did the other day and we're doing we're doing the classic i mean i this is right out of my playbook here

just he dropped and we're talking about him but we um we were like looking for a guest the other day and he's like i have a note out to him and like who the fuck talks like that like what what did you say trent did you're like did a carrier pigeon bring it to him like yeah i have a note out to him it's like i wrote a note he's like a dm it's like bro we're like you can't just say like i sent them as like a message or something i have a i have a note out to him is such uh a insurance company like corporate email to like your your superior advisor being like hey have you talked to mr smith like i actually have a note out to the family and we're going to see what it's like no like that's not how this works at all like did you get that contract executed

for that invoice this well i have a note out to him yeah it's like oh you said the DM okay you use an emoji if you're using an emoji and a message on an instagram platform you can't call it a No, I'm sorry. You can't. Yeah, he did. He did put it in the, he did put on the text and in this, the Zoom chat feature, I got a drop. It's like, you can just interrupt the show and say, hey, fuckers, I got to, like, ghost. I got to go.

Yeah, see you there. I got, no problem. But, um, but, but yeah, that was, I, now Trent and I got roped into Frankie's move of talking about him. Yeah. Frankie, did you, do we talk about the Shay Mooney stuff on the last show? No, no. that happened today.

I mean, that happened last night, but it would be today's show. Right. That's pretty cool. Yeah, so Shay Mooney mess. I may have actually mentioned that he was going to be doing it, but Shay Mooney played Darius Rucker last night on this thing called Tied Up Invitational. They basically get all these celebrities to play, golf tournaments, and they were doing it on a simulator and on Twitch.

And it's all for charity. So each person picks a charity, whoever wins, the other person has to donate to that charity. So our Shay Mooney of Dan and Shea fucking When I taste, no, not tequila. No, no, no, that's fucking Morgan Wallin. No, no. Isn't Tequila Dan and Shea?

No, it's another tequila song. Oh, oh yeah. No. Yes. I think you had it right. I think he did too. Oh, yeah, when I taste tequila. Driving on the front of the wrong a t-shirt.

Sky High Colorado. What's the fucking Morgan Wallin's song that Jake O'n was singing to him? Whiskey glasses. Whiskey glasses. And he's got his whiskey glasses. Yeah, very similar. But anyway, Shane Moni, Dan and Shea, I mean, they have a song with fucking Justin Bieber. They have that song.

They have hundreds and hundreds of millions. We had them on the show. Everyone knows them. He messaged me. I saw that he, like, reposted one of our Borrellys, a barcel fund stuff, things on his Instagram. I'm like, dude, like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, thank you so much.

This is crazy. Like, you're raising money for the Barstall Fund? Like, what the fuck? He's like, yeah, man, like, that's awesome. Like, love what you guys are doing. I love the idea of taking the money and bringing it to food banks of the food. So he goes, I'm actually playing in this event tomorrow against Darius Rucker. And I'm picking Borrellys and the Barstall Fund as like my charity of choice.

I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, that guy is just to be that big of a superstar, to be like the brayette. to be like the breakout performer of the year, country music artist and pop artist and winning all these awards. Like they were rocking in awards during awards season. It's crazy that he cares about like this little thing, like our restaurant and whatever. And yeah, I tweeted out the clip.

We put it on the Instagram. He's like, yeah, my buddy, Frankie. And the way he's talking, it's like we were friends for 30 years, even though we really only just DM about golf. He'll message me once in a while about like a, picture I took about food or like a like we were at pat perez's house and we took the picture of pat perez's view and shaman he's like that's not a bad place to live every day like he's just like a normal funny dude um i actually think he ended up losing the match so he's got he's got a he's got

he's got to get better if he's going to play us with the with the Jonas brothers because he's going to be the fourth ringer there darius is kind of a kind of a ringer a little yeah he is he is um but yeah no it was uh super nice of him and to have someone that's that fucking, like, successful and famous to care about that stuff. And watching that clip was surreal. Yeah. Yeah. I was waiting for Darius Rucker in that clip to be like, fuck those guys.

Yeah. Yeah, true. Me too. I left those fuck. I left those fucking idiots on the 13th hole. He was like, I don't care. Oh, man. All right, boys.

Well, Merry Christmas to all. We lurched. He can't say goodbye because he had to say. a he had to have a note out to us that he had to drop from the call. But look, last thing we'll leave you with is you can go to our store. And if you missed out of Black Friday, 7 Monday, store. At barstualsports.com. I got on the unreal hoodie.

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