Fore Play - The Needle-Mover Bonus Pool and A Brain Discussion with Dr. Jared Van Snellenberg, the caddie from Happy Gilmore

Episode Date: April 22, 2021

A very unique and fascinating guest on today’s show. Dr. Jared Van Snellenberg (54:40) was Happy Gilmore’s caddie, and today is a doctor conducting important research on the brain. As you may imagine, this takes us down a lot of different roads: what was the Happy Gilmore role like, how does the brain affect good golf versus bad golf, how can we better control our own brains, and much more. Before Dr. Van Snellenberg, we have a lengthy discussion on the PGA Tour’s new “Player Impact Program,” rewarding a $40M bonus pool to the players who are most impactful on moving the needle.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, Foreplay listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen to Ad Free on Amazon Music. Hello, listeners. Hello, everybody. It is Riggs. We have a big show. We have a great show today. It's one of my favorites. We have a guest that you probably won't believe, very unique. We have the caddy from Happy Gilmore, who was now essentially a research brain psychiatric doctor. and with us and our brains and everything that we get into, you can only imagine where this conversation goes. His name is Dr. Jared Van Snellenberg, amazing name. And we'd also like to remind you to tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern Time

on our 4Play YouTube channel, the first video from our Vegas travel series, Rio Seco with Butch Harmon following us for 9, 10, 11 holes. An amazing ending is airing tonight. So be prepared. Please watch that. Enjoy the show. Let's talk some golf. Four players in our

Barcelona sports. God, I love to start the show with a laugh and a complete debacle. But Jake Bass, producer Jake Bass, behind the scenes. Big thanks to Jake and to eBug, as always. Says that it helps. It's the only way to clap sink. We do record locally. We're doing a whole thing.

So we're back. Trent, Ryan, has a microphone. Hold on. Did that actually help? Because that was the worst clap I think we've ever given. So I don't think they back. You don't think that helped? Jake, do you think that help?

Talk to us from the clouds. that one that one not as much sweet can we clap mid show does that help or is that just going to drive people off the side of the road no at the very end we'll do a clap sink then and I'll just I'll figure it out from there I do have a microphone this time around I want to formally apologize to all the listeners from the last episode I was not using a microphone and I just had the

headphone mic scratching up against my luscious beard the whole time and people did not like that, and I want to apologize. Jake Bass got me a mic, so hopefully we will never have that problem again. Yeah, people said that every time you spoke, it sounded like you were crunching, like, rappers in your mouth as you were speaking to them. Which is truly unfortunate because, you know, we talked about the whole Breaking 100 series. That's finally happening. Like, that was a big thing that's going on in my world.

And people were like, I can't fucking listen to this at all because it sounds horrific. But better this time around. hopefully that will never happen again. You sound very clear and very smooth today, Tram. Thank you. One of the benefits of not having a beard is that it can't rustle up against your hair. A little peek behind the curtain here. We were about to hop on and producer Jake said to Frankie,

hey man, I think you got like a sole patch going on. And I've never seen Frankie jump out of a chair faster and run to shave his face. He is now a clean, shaven man. And I almost wish that Jake hadn't said anything because the sole patch and your facial hair is such a disaster that I wanted to grow out again. Oh, boy. And unfortunately, I was also thinking, I think it's because we're having a little pre-Rangers Islanders talk to.

So I think the sole patch was like, now we can't criticize me about anything. So if I shave this, I can just hammer, lurch about the Islanders Rangers with simply no comeback. And so, yeah, you shot out of your desk like a cannon to shave that thing off. Yeah, I mean, I'm on top of the world today, for sure. There's no denying that. was at the National Coliseum last night. I went to Borrelli's pregame,

got myself a chicken parm with three of my buddies. You know, we're all in a group text about the Islanders for years, and we finally all got to a game together. Islanders Rangers, playoff implications couldn't be higher for the Rangers. They were eight points behind the Islanders with a chance to bring it to six,

with a chance to go within four points of the Bruins. Islanders dismantle their organization. One of the more just mean, bullying type wins I've ever seen in my entire life. Truba got knocked back to fucking Winnipeg by Matt Martin. Literally didn't know where he was anymore. I'm praying for him and his safety and his family. But yeah, it was a good game.

It was great to be back to the Coliseum laughing at people as, you know, all the Ranger fans that fill up the collie. They're all sitting there drinking their soft drinks. It was fun. It was a fun day. The other side would be hanging with your dad and brother for the first time in six months to watch this game that has playoff implications from the other side and be ready to turn it off after 10 minutes into the third period because it was a mess and then eBugs buddy uh i don't even know his name his name's like

bettto or something bettto he's the worst defenseman i've ever seen play the game of hockey he refuses to bend his knees and move anywhere quickly he just stands up like a pylon makes horrible passes it was a horrible game let's talk about golf not a hockey podcast uh that sounds lovely a lot of news in the world of golf right now, a ton of news. People are weighing in from all angles, from all different vantage points on the player impact programs. We're going to go through that whole thing. It's really tied to a lot of things that we've talked about, a lot of things that we do, a lot of the different players that we've highlighted or talked negatively about or whatever.

Another thing we like to highlight. What is this right here, fellas? Owens Mixers. That's Paloma, I think I see. Is that Paloma mix? You're right here? Yeah, this is your little grapefruit and lime, my friend. That's delicious.

Lercher, I had a Paloma. I had a Paloma the other day. Amazing. What did you think? Yeah. I thought it was fantastic. Isn't it really good? And the good thing about what they offer is that's just like, it's obviously the mix.

So you can do that with tequila or vodka. So you're either doing a Greyhound, which is another lovely drink with that grapefruit or with tequila. It's a plum. And it's, isn't it refreshing and just kind of like, it's like an upper drink with The tequila, obviously, gives you a little energy. But it's my favorite, honestly. I mix the tequila with the Owens Mixers, Grapefruit and Lime mix.

I threw a little lime in there. So as it got it, as you had a couple of sips, you had a little bit of the citrusy lime, like in your teeth or on your lips. And you really just felt like you were at a beach. I said the breeze hitting your face. Just good vibes. It's a good vibes drink. You can't feel bad drinking Paloma. Did you hate it a little bit because it's from me?

No, you didn't invent the baloma, I mean. This grapefruit and lime from Owen's mixer says it pairs with tequila, vodka, and champagne. So like Laird said, there's plenty of different options. Owens is continuing to expand into different places. That champagne thing really threw you for a little bit. What's the name of a grapefruit lime and champagne drink? No idea. Huh.

The Pomoc. Trent just tried to come up with a funny, witty joke, but couldn't. Yeah, I had nothing. I see champagne poloma. It's literally champagne poloma, which is. It's weak.

Yeah, I would like a better name. I mean, honestly. Yeah. But Owensmixers.com, I see a lot of folks tweeting. Let's call it bubble fruit. Folks tweeting, how can I find the transfusion? How can I find these things? You go to Owensmixers.com.

They have a store locator on the site, and they've got them in Publix. They got them in Kroger's. They got them in a lot of different spots. So big thanks to Owens for supporting us and go out and support them. They have the transfusion as well. The bubbly what mix? Bubble fruit or something.

I'm trying to think. I mean, let me grab a bubble fruit. It's kind of soft. Let's think on it. Let's think on it. Let's think of it. Yeah, let's workshop that one. Bubble fruit or whatever you said, I don't think is the winner.

Circle back. Yeah. Circle back. Player Impact Program. So this broke yesterday by our guy, Amon Lynch, who's one of our favorites, who will never come on our show because, A, I think he, I know he likes us, but I think he hates us as much as he like. We can talk more about that another time.

I don't know how to describe his feelings on us, but he'll never come on our show. And I think largely because he knows that the way that he likes to speak to us in real life is not the way that he can speak to us on the podcast, and he can't handle those two things. It is funny when I see him do a hit on Golf Channel, and I'm watching him speak in a way that I just know that that's not how he's feeling. Like actually, honestly, you say he won't come on the show, and I think you're right,

but this is the only place where he can speak the way he actually speaks. So I think he's doing himself a disservice not coming on here, because when I see him on Golf Channel, that is not the Aeman Lynch that I know. Correct. And he is maybe our favorite person in the world of golf to speak to you privately, and I chirp him all the time of like, you know, corporate polished Amon on golf channel

is a shell of the real Amon Lynch who is one of the funniest people I've ever met and the things that he says to us in private would make you love him more than anyone as well. Anyway. Because there is part of him that despises what we do for whatever reason, but what he

doesn't realize is we're just like him just in different places. Right. That's exactly right. We're just in a different spot. And he, yeah, we love him. I think he loves us. And he broke this story. He writes for Golf Week.

He broke the story yesterday that the PGA tour has created something called the Player Impact Program. The nuts and bolts of it is there's now a $40 million pool, bonus pool that will be rewarded to 10 players based essentially upon their overall impact on moving the needle in the world of golf and more specifically the PGA. tour. This is going to measure, you know, their social impact. It's going to measure their TV impact when they're shown on television, Nielsen ratings. It's going to measure all these different things as well as a little bit of their FedEx Cup performance and award legitimately a portion

of $40 million to said player, top 10 players, based on these different metrics. The first, the number one, you know, finisher in this little leaderboard will get $8 million for the year. I've gone back and forth a lot personally on this whole thing, but just generally as a show, what do we think? I'm actually surprised at how good of an idea it is for the game of golf. And maybe you guys disagree with that, but like it seems like an idea, like a theoretical idea that someone outside of golf would come up with and be like, hey, the PJ Tour, you should do this, that they would never think about doing,

but they've just done it. They're already rolling it out. They started rolled out January 1st, and they're just doing it now. I'm curious to see because it seems all good on the face of it, but I'm wondering what effect it's actually going to have on the players and what they're going to do in order to vie to be paid out by this pool. That's what I'm curious to see.

But I think overall, when I read it and I read the description of it, I think it's a pretty damn good idea, no? Well, I don't know that they're really. it's not that original of an idea. Didn't the premier golf league, this league that was supposed to take away the biggest names of golf, wasn't this one of their big, wasn't this one of their big selling points?

One of their big selling points to bring over these guys. Like you have a lot more opportunity to make a ton more money over here by your brand, your branding can be bigger, the purses will be bigger. Like this was their counterpoint to that, to keep them here, right? Well, right.

This was a direct response to that. And if, you know, there was a point where Roy, McElroy was being touted and being kind of referenced a lot with the Premier Golf League. And then it's no coincidence that earlier this year he gets hired or appointed, I guess, I should say, as the player advisory council. And then all of a sudden they're rolling out this bonus program for moving the needle.

So it is very clear that, you know, the Premier Golf League and the threat of like starting this league with the biggest names in golf, not necessarily the biggest talents in golf. of times those coincide, but they don't always, comes as that chatter in the last year or two picked up a lot. And it also comes right on the heels of our conversation with Pat Perez, interestingly enough, where, you know, we spoke a lot about the difficulties of making and as a professional golfer and how your performance on the golf course, a very rare sport, where your performance on the golf course weekend, week out, is essentially the only way that you can get directly paid by the golf organization or the golf entity. Yes, you can make

money on the side via sponsorships. But in terms of your actual pay from the PGA tour, from golf tournaments, it is just directly dependent on how you perform on the golf course, which other sports just aren't like that. Like you get a salary, you earn a huge salary. There's a portion of guaranteed money depending on sport by sport that you can go out and suck for six weeks straight and you still make a $25 million a year or whatever it is. And for those six weeks, you make, you know, the proportion of that $26 million, $25 million,

is what it is. Golf's not like that. If you suck for six weeks, you miss the cut for six weeks, you're losing money because you're traveling all over the place. There are entry fees. You're paying for a house and hotels and all the sudden. You're paying for your caddy. You're paying for all this shit. And you could lose money. In theory, this is now for some people, you know, a way where there will be supplemental income, significant supplemental income, simply for being an impactful player in the world of golf. So that's why, like, why not just extend it to the whole PGA tour in my eyes? Like, I think that you can still pay those top individuals, like the most money are a huge

percentage, but why not give it out to the whole PGA tour, everybody that makes it start, get some sort of check at the end of the year to, like, further the game of golf and use their social media platforms and ask them and ask everybody to promote the game. So I just find it weird that it's stuck to the top, like, percentage of players. Because I just don't think that that makes any sense. I think why not just ask everybody who makes a tour start to further the game to promote the game? And then I think the metrics are still a mess. Like Nielsen ratings are way outdated.

Those things are just about worthless. Nobody has a Nielsen box anymore. And then the last point is Tiger Woods just going to be first even if he doesn't play? Like, is he still just going to be the top guy that gets paid each year out of this thing? Well, I think Brooks Kepka said that he should just, you can put him at number one every single year because he deserves that for what he's done for the game. But I do think, like, I feel like Tiger Woods can put out one tweet, and he dwarfs everything that every other player could possibly do.

Like, it seems if the metrics don't put Tiger Woods at the top every single year, it seems like there's something wrong with the metrics. Well, yeah, and like, look, Tiger Woods could put out zero tweets, and he'll dominate the category every year. That's never going to be an issue. But it's also not an issue that anyone's going to have related to the tour. They're all fine with it. Like if they actually just said, I was texting with Max about this earlier.

Like if they just said, hey, we're going to pay Tiger Woods a $40 million thank you bonus right now. Everyone would be like, all right, yeah, that sounds legit. Probably deserves a little bit more. Like that's great. It does feel a little bit like they could have just called it the Tiger Woods retirement plan. Because if he's not going to be able to play, he's not going to be play as well as he has in the past, obviously.

We'll see. But like if they just want to give him $8 to $10 million every single year, I think all players are okay with that. Yes. And I think, you know, where it's going to get tricky is I actually think on principle a lot of people agree with this. Like the PGA tour, like any other league, and the NBA gets probably this the best,

where the NBA thrives on the drama and a lot of the sort of, I guess, halfway in between. you know, like on court and off court stuff where the NBA has embraced that. And it's become like a lot of it is the super teams and the players chirping each other and going back and forth and where they go and how one player can have a huge impact in the NBA more so than one player in a lot of other sports. And that's driven a lot of the interest in the NBA and how much success the NBA has had. So I think that on principle people get that the PGA tour and professional golf like any other sport

is entertainment, more or as much as it is about the integrity of golf. And the reason that people are working as hard as they are on hospitality tents, on making the waste management as big as they are, on trying to turn the Honda Classic and the Bear Trap into more of a waste management type feel, the reason those things exist is because it's a fucking business. And it's a business that's based on entertainment. And if you are more of a needle mover,

which is an annoying cliche that I think we're going to get really sick of soon, and I almost puked when I saw it in like, the language for, you know, the PGA tour in this new bonus pool. But if you are responsible for making the PGA tour earn more eyeballs, sell more tickets, and have more people tune into television coverage and have people, you know, watch more social clips, you deserve a piece of that pie. I think everybody agrees with that. What they're not going to agree on and what's going to have to get tweaked over the years

is the way that they actually determine and break all that down because it's going to be flawed. and it's going to be incredibly stupid. It's going to get laughed at a lot. And we are going to be people that are going to laugh at it for sure. Right. So they did run a simulation on the 2019 figures just to see who would be in the top five or the top 10, given these metrics. Tiger Woods, number one, followed by Rory, then Brooks, then Phil, then Ricky,

and then Spieth, DJ, Justin Thomas, Justin Rose, and Adam Scott. So my issue there is seeing the names Adam Scott and Justin Rose in the top 10, They don't feel like necessarily needle movers to me in the way that I thought a program like this would work. And then on that, is it like, is the payment static? So like first place when you win a PGA tour event is X? Or is it like how much you win by? Because like there's a reason that Tiger Woods should collect 95% of this money.

Does anybody know in terms of what that payment figure looks like across the board? No? Wait, wait. What's the question now? So I was asking like, you know, if you're first, with regards to, you know, this plot of $40 million of cash and how it gets spread out across the players, is that first place static when you blend all their attributes together? Or is it like, hey, I moved golf by, you know, eight times more than second place.

So my payment is actually even more of that $40 million. No, it says the first place gets $8 million. So I think that's static. I think it's like the FedEx Cup payouts, which honestly makes it. Like if you win the Masters by 12 shots or one shot, you still win the first place prize, you know? So there's, but this is different scoring.

So that's an interesting question. The metrics officially are listed, and they were in Eamon Lynch's article, who I came to say his name without kind of giggling because he's such a clown. But the first metric is a player's position on the season ending FedEx Cup points list, which I think nobody has a problem with.

Like, that should be part of the equation, is how well you're playing golf out there. the second is their popularity in Google search. Now, I don't know how detailed that is. Like, do they just type somebody's fucking name it and see, like, how, or they click in the analytics, you know, icon and going through. And if they are, how in depth are they going? Do they get to, like, chew?

Like, you know, we don't really know what that means. That's an incredibly vague topic. Super vague, especially when they put in the stipulation here where it says, quote, to recognize and reward players who positively move the needle. Now positively is a very, very important word, especially when it comes to Google searches. And I would argue that they should get rid of that stipulation altogether. Positive, negative. Like that, now if you get rid of positively, now they're just swaying into our area where we're headline guys.

I don't care how you make headlines, whether it's good or bad. But if you are bringing more eyeballs to the game of golf, regardless of how, I think you should be rewarded for that. Excellent point. The positivity clause needs to be eliminated immediately. and I'll have no issues with that because Patrick Reed, I love Patrick Reed for golf because he makes people turn on their television. Like, what's this? This fucking guy's cheating and his wife's berating people on Twitter and he's winning the golf turba?

I got to turn this thing on. You're going to tell me that doesn't count as moving the needle. That should count maybe two X if it's negative. That's like if you didn't have any bad guys in the WWF. Like, what do you, we're just like all out here. We're rooting for good wrestling. Routing for good wrestling? Like, you can't.

That's not what we're doing. it's like Marvel movies with no Thanos Like that's pretty boring Like you need You know This is just how the world works I'm not rooting for negativity But negativity is what moves the needle my friends

Negativity is what drives me That's why I live That's I thrive Imagine imagine Imagine not having negativity in this world About myself About the way the world works That's just what drives me

So I agree It should be worth double the amount of positive Positive stuff's like Ugh Oh like what Riggs brings up What this guy? What this guy give this little kid a fucking golf ball? No, I want to see Ian Polter fucking, I want to see him go out there and firing Ferrari people. That's like,

that is more clickable. Right. If this player impact program is based on all positive metrics, then I no longer want this to be put into the PGA tour. Because that is incredibly boring. Riggs brings up a perfect point with Patrick Reed. Most of the things that he does are negative, but they're hilarious and entertaining. And if the PGA tour is just going to throw that out, then you got to get rid of this whole program. Yeah, it's a deal breaker for me. The positivity clause is a deal breaker. If you keep that in, I'm out on this whole program. If you take it out, I'm very in on this program. Because it's, I mean, you almost can't have positivity without negativity. Like, you have to, it's Harry Potter and like Voldemort. One cannot live without. You got to have them. You just have to have both.

So that's got to go. That clause needs to be eliminated. A lot of the stuff that Bryson does is like negative, where he's asking for relief because of ants and should. Are they going to count that negative? That's an amazingly positive thing. That makes you, again, turn on your TV and you're like, this guy's trying to win a golf tournament. He's got ants crawling up his hand and he's trying to get a relief. This is amazing to turn that on.

And no offense to these guys, but guys like Justin Rose and Adam Scott, that's how they get on this list is the positivity clause. Like, that is 100% why they're on there. Those are great guys. They're great for the game. They're great golfers, obviously. But I don't think they make that list if you boot the positivity clause. you don't think so like Adam Scott in Australia like

I mean that's like that whole population probably he's probably massive over there he wears two shades of brown I don't think he's right that was a bad look for a handsome fellow that was a really bad choice but that's what Trent saying it's the positivity right Trent said like that's the only reason why they're on there right is because it's well Google search I would think for Adam Scott is what I'm saying like that would be my counterpoint to Trent like the only reason is the positivity I bet you Adam with regards to like girls Googling golfers,

he's got to be at the top of the list for Google searches. Justin Rose, I hear your point. Maybe, yeah, it is. I would like to see the breakdown on how they got on that list. But I do think if you eliminated the positivity clause,

I don't think they're on, I don't know that they're on that list. And I don't, in our list, right? Because our list is without the, we should just do our own list. We have to do our own list, by the way. What I was going to say is either A, we're going to do our own list,

or B, the PJ Tour needs to give it to us. And no, because nobody has a better gauge of like what's getting eyeballs in the game of golf than we do, honestly. Like in the way that we want it in the way that the internet consumes golf, I think we are the best consultants you can find. Let me tell you right now.

We are, we are officially at, at the beginning of next week, we will publish an updated list from Foreplay of the top 10 in the player impact or the Foreplay Player Impact program. And we will update that list. every single week. Is there a way that we can come up with our own algorithm?

Yeah. Do we know smart enough people where we could say these are the things that we want to highlight for these golfers, put it into an algorithm and it spits out a list? Here's my thinking. We should have an algorithm that gives us a list, and then we also get to overrule based on our own judgment. I think it's just called our eyeballs. That's just an eyeball test.

You know, I don't need some algorithm to tell me what guy, is more likable or moving the needle. We just see it. Right. All right. Let's do a consensus top five right now with the four play group. Number one, Tiger Woods. Tiger.

Yep. Number two, Bryson D. Shambow. No problem. Boom. Now we get to the third. Now it's tricky because golf, you know, you start, Patrick Reed could be third on our list, in my opinion. Jordan Speath.

Okay. See, I'd have Justin Thomas above Jordan Speath. I would say when Jordan Speeat, is in the mix. The stuff that you see on social media versus when Justin Thomas is in the mix is wildly more needle moving. How about Roy is talking about this year?

Justin Thomas has moved quite the needle this year. Yeah, there's a spike in January. Positive, negative. He was in the fucking matches. He's Tiger Woods' best pal. Like, Jordan Speath, we had to, like, bring him out of a bunker at some point. Like, I mean, the guy was gone.

He just kept shooting at it. But I still think, like, when he even, when he's, when he's, when he's, for the lead on Friday afternoon, Twitter goes nuts. When Justin Thomas is tied for a lead on Friday afternoon, I don't think it's that big of a story. Like people were just kind of like, oh yeah, hell yeah. JT's number two in the world.

He's right up there. You know, we'll see how it goes this weekend. When Speed, you put out a, you put out a Speed tweet on Thursday at 10 a.m. When he's 200 through three, it gets thousands of likes. People are going nuts. I'm Speeth over JT for sure. I think I'm Rory. Make a case.

I mean, he's a one-name guy. True. All of Europe, I mean, is obsessed with Rory. I would just say, like, without question, it's Rory. As a needle mover and Google searches is really what I'm weighing heavily on. I like Rory as well because you do get the honest interviews, and that's where you're going to get the most clicks. Like, when he actually came clean at the players and talked about that he actually got involved in the Bryson arms race,

Like that is, that's good content and it's interesting and it's honest and that's where you're going to get from Rory every time. I agree. I will say too, Lurch has really benefited from just making abstract, like not abstract, just kind of vague like that guy has the whole continent loves him move. Like he did it with Adam Scott and you just kind of put the whole continent in his bucket and you did it with Europe. Like with Rory right now. It's tough to argue that It's like he's just got the whole continent And that's tough

The world just doesn't work that way anymore The world is so much smaller now That I just don't think that That it works in that sort of way I mean Trent we streamed with that Irishman Apex sound he's like a sick Fucking PGA tour 2K21 guy He hates Rory

He's from Ireland hates him How did he defend that comment What was his reasoning? What was his reasoning? What was It had something to do. The other guys north, so there's just like a huge... Right. I don't know. I don't want to get into Irish politics, but it had something to do with Rory's comments during the Olympics.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would... I would think it's safe to say that we could go basically Tiger, Bryson, Speed, J.T. Rory are our top five and you could argue the... Oh, Trent... I want to put Reed. I want Reed in there somewhere. Well, that's interesting. Do you get the wives? Do the wives count? Of course. Volts into the mix with Google searches.

Like, Paulina's at the top. And then you get P. Reed's wife who also helps the his image. So, like, is it a family? Hold on. Hold on. But are we doing this based on the PGA Tours metrics? Or are we doing this based on our eyes? This is our list.

Who deserves the money? So Google searches and shit just don't. They just don't matter to me. I don't care. And I don't care about their position. position in the FedEx Cup like point. I couldn't care less about that. Just the eye test.

You know, Lurch still makes a point because like the Google search thing is in some way attached to my eye test. Like that's, there's a reason, right? Like if you, like when DJ won the Masters, we put out a T-shirt with Paulina and DJ on. Like that's, that's just part of the package deal. And he's got the Wayne Gretzky stories and he's got the Butch stuff. So, so yeah, I don't think he necessarily cracks my top five. But Reed, Reed's tough because unless he's doing something. really negative.

He's not, like I haven't heard about Reed in like a month, I feel like. There's still a big part of me that wants to put Reed in front of JT. Straight up. Because when that, when that Patrick Reed title wave hits,

it might not hit very often, but when it does, it is the talk of the town, my friends. Like, there's nobody who, he might be, no,

Bryson and Tiger are obviously, like they're unmovable at the top two. But Patrick Reed, when he is on his bullshit, he's the top three guy for me. Yeah, I would say Reed, like we'd say other people stop, like, or move the needle. I would say Patrick Reed, like, stops the needle in its tracks, and people just stop what they're doing in the golf world,

and they attack, and there's an echo chamber of the people that despise what he's doing. They start writing articles. They just zoom in. They go through, you know, the whole, like, JFK assassination treatment, where they're going through clip by clip of what he does. And it changes. his golf for for days after that if not weeks that's all confidence where's a deki matzzi where's a deki matzziama rank for you then lurch yeah no he owns asia but i mean like he's with p reed where

you know now obviously he's at the top of the mountain but in it like in three weeks time or when the next major happens he doesn't win it like he's back for me kind of way outside the top 10. And I think that's the same thing with P. Reed of like when he makes news and when he, you know, moves around sand in a bunker, he's all of a sudden like the only thing anybody can talk about. Like he surpasses Tiger for that week or two, right? But then he falls off the map again when it's over. But if we're talking about when these guys are doing something, there's really not too many guys. Maybe again, the top two who are consistently doing something that makes people be like, whoa, what's going on over there?

Like once you get out of the Tiger Bryson category, I think there's a big drop off. I honestly, unless I think you could do, you're right. And I think you could do one metric, one algorithm, if you will, that would come up with our list, which is just total minutes talked about on our show.

Right. That would just, I think that would just give us the list. Rory's way up there. Patrick Green's probably number two. Like, it's like Patrick, we've talked about Patrick Greta at length. Bro, with that metric, Zach Johnson might crack the top five. The Islanders are just like number three on the list.

Barry Trott's number seven. Brock Nelson is number three in the player impact program. Brock Nelson, what a goal last night. Nick Letty to Brock Nelson, tip, top shelf, Minnesota connection, just a really good hockey player. I know Lurch likes and he likes to stop. Like Neil DeGrasse Tyson breaks the top 10 on our fucking player impact. If we're talking just guys that, like, affect our lives on Twitter, social media, guys that are always in the mix. Like, Max Holman may be the sneaky, just like breadwinner, right?

Like, he's like number seven, number six, constantly. Just because he's just in the mix, right? I mean, a Max Homa tweet fires off, and it does numbers. It does consistently good numbers. So pause for a second. Guess how many Twitter followers Stuart Sink has? I'm actually, I think I sort of know because I read an article that had it in it. 13,000?

No, no, no. So his Instagram is like 10,000. So that's kind of the baseline. But now what's his Twitter? Because obviously with this much money on the table, people are going to, like, you're going to see people do some different stuff. Like, Homer's already in the mix.

But people are going to start really engaging. Before you guys guess, I will, the article that I read made it clear that Stuart Singh was early to Twitter. He was an early golf Twitter guy. And I think he even had a quote, like back when he last won the RBC Heritage was like, or when he last, one the tournament was like I'm leading in you know this week and in Twitter followers but he had a lot early on like a lot so take that into account I mean you've now ruined like the guessing game right

like no but I could sense but I could sense that you guys were doing it because like if he just had the amount that we thought you would have then it wouldn't have been a question right but give it again it's like two million two million people right Gregs? 1.5 million Yeah, so this ruins it. It's like 984,000. But like,

anyway, Trent gave a 10 minute, 10 minute pre, like, you're like, let me preface this now. Like, I probably would have said 8,000 on Twitter. Yeah, I mean, right, right. Sorry. We kind of blew it. We blew it there.

That's what you're going to do. Stuart Sink is boring and his son's boring. So I don't care anything about the Twitter. I mean, it was nice that they won. Sun's got a nice head of hair. He doesn't. That's all that. I mean, they're not winning any money.

Those tan lines, though. Those tan lines are the realest thing in the world. They don't get any money out of this metric system. I don't know if that's true. I tweeted that picture of Stuart Sink's tan line after he won and it got 5,000 likes. Bro, Stuart Sink is not in the top 5 or 10 of eyeball who moves the needle test. Come on now. I agree.

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You throw it on and moisturize your face. It's a two stones, two birds with one stone type of thing, you know? Two bottles of one bullet. You're moisturizing your face. We're just, I think. We're just letting Frankie just try to figure out two birds with one stone. The third metric in the system that they are going to use for the bonus pool system, their Nielsen brand exposure rating, which places a value on the exposure.

delivers two sponsors through the minutes they are featured on broadcast. This one's going to be a problem. People bitch about coverage nonstop. People bitch about the fact that when you turn on TV, there's really only a few people that you get to watch. You can't watch. You know, Kizner, we can never watch. Max Homo, we can never watch, which we all complain about.

Pat Perez, because those are our guys. We want to watch them play golf. We want to watch them shop for shot unless they're on the feature group coverage or they're leading the golf tournament. They almost never get shown on TV. So really that's sort of at the discretion of people that are controlling the broadcast more so than it is the player. Yeah, there's an element of like if the broadcast chooses to cut to you,

then they're deciding that you're a needle mover. But that's not foolproof and that's not going to satisfy a lot of people that don't get television time. So it's a little bit of, I don't know, it's a little bit of a tough one. And like Lurch said, Nielsen, exposure, brand, all that, pretty fucking outdated. You know what makes Bryson a needle mover is that he doesn't like camera time. He gets mad when there's too many cameras around him. He wishes he got less camera time on the golf course. And that is a sign of a needle mover.

If he's like, no, no, no, I actually don't want you to be on me as much because I know I'm going to do something crazy and people are going to get mad at me. That's how you know your needle mover. And like your sand rigs, I'm sure there will be players who will complain like I don't get shown on TV. They pick it. You know, it's very subjective. But if you want to know a real needle mover like Bryson, he's a guy who wants less camera time. And that's how you know.

Yeah, he is. And that, I mean, when he's asking a cameraman to not point the camera at him and film and record him, like that, that makes him get action on social. It makes him get, you know, the cameraman like zooms in on his face when that's happening. And it's all, you know, going to give him more TV time, which, again, it'll be interesting and tough for them to kind of accurately track or hold a lot of integrity in tracking that because people can just complain that it's not the same. number four is their cue rating a player's cue rating which measures the familiarity and appeal of a player's brand i think that's just the eyeball test right yeah yeah these these next ones are just sort of like whoa like this is just jargon that they're like put in that they came up with in some like

corporate room and we're like let's do the cue rating let's do the MVP index and when it's all really just the eyeball test right because that just adds complexity which they can like the fan like no this is how we thought about it this is like the algorithm behind this obscure statement of cue ratings of nielsen ratings and then they're just going to pay the guys that they think so um yeah we thought rick found out might switch it up and go for a new brand that guy is going to be a full-blown orange popsicle for the rest of his life i mean you want to talk about brand recognizability or whatever they're going to be saying with the cue rating no chance is rickie fowler switching it up he's slicking the hair back he's getting he's putting a little wax on the

mustache and he is 100% rocking orange and the white Puma hat because that's just who he is and he's trying to get that bread. The number five in the metrics is their MVP index rating, which calibrates the value of the engagement at player drives across social and digital channels. So again, that's one I think we've pretty much already covered. You know, people can can, I think that's actually pretty trackable. And then the sixth one is their meltwater mentions, which this is being made fun of the most, or the frequency with which a player generates coverage across a range of media platforms,

which, you know, a range of media platforms. It says the tour will employ an algorithm to turn the values from each metric into impact scores for every player, and a ranking of those scores then determines the bonus amount due. I do think that all of this allows for a bit of discretion on their part, which I'm not, I'm not opposed to. I get it. It's just that it's going to be the tour.

implementing that discretion, which I think people aren't crazy about. So again, overall, I think we're pretty much for this. I think this makes a lot of sense. One stat that I saw come across my radar was that Francisco Lindorou just signed, what, a $341 million contract. He's literally just signed a contract to get paid 3x what Tiger Woods' career earnings are. So it's like, it makes sense. If you look at Tiger Woods and what the PGA tour, what he's actually made on the course is 120, almost 121 million versus 341 million.

You know, it does seem like he deserves way, way, way more than that. And, you know, people argue, oh, he's made a lot from his sponsors. Well, guess what? That's not like on-course earnings. That's not from the PGA tour. That's not from your organization that actually pays you. That's from you and your agency and you building a brand elsewhere and going to external parties and external companies and organizations.

and figuring out a way to partner that's not coming from the place that you've benefited the most and that you actually do your work in and your workplace, which is clearly the argument. But the way it's going to get rolled out, we are going to laugh at it a lot, and I think it's going to be fun, to be honest with you. Do you think, like one question I asked in the beginning about why don't you just pay every player that's made a PGA tour start? Well, what is that because like you pay them all the same, you're saying? No, I'm saying.

like you, but you allot like 2 million of the 40 million to people outside the top 10. I mean, because most of the risk of the grinders that are trying to make it on the tour that pay in, you know, tournament fees, et cetera, don't make the cut, lose a ton of money. So, you know, in my theory, like power to them for putting themselves out there to make it, make an effort to try to make it on the PGA tour, take some of this money, like a small allotment, and pay it to those individuals that are trying to make it on the PGA tour as a specific. small bump or a kickback to basically their season-long effort of trying to make it on tour. You know, so anyways, I would think that that could be helpful and also would garner support

from them to push things on social. May it be small, but still something, or to do anything to promote the game of golf, because they are still stack ranking up and then last two million where maybe, you know, the back end of the tour still is going to get a check for, I don't know, 20K, which can be impactful for those guys that are barely making it. I hate it. Really? Yeah, you got to win.

It's a sport, right? Fair. It just offers some guaranteed money across the board that other sports have on the professional level. Yeah, but they are... We had a couple people reach out to us at the Pat Perez thing being like, I mean, you don't have to win golf to make money. Like, guys make...

Like, Pat Perez won three times his career. He's made a shit ton of fucking money. Like... He's one of, like, a couple hundred players, really, that are able to make some money and there's you know i think the difference was that like when you're not one of those couple hundred people you're actually losing money whereas if you're in the top you know most sports if you're 500th best player in like the nchl over the last 10 years or something like you've made millions of dollars right exactly and so yeah my thought would just be to spread a little

money around rather than just keep giving it to the top guys which are already outrageously wealthy and have lifetimes of money and so top guys will leave to like a premier golf league they're like you have to keep them going i mean like we've gotten to a point in where the top dogs make an unreasonable amount of money and that's just the world we live in and you cannot change that and give guys on the lower tier that more their money or else they're just going to like they're going to do what the soccer league was trying to do in this premiere you're going to get these saudi princes throwing 200 million dollars at them a season because that's just what they're seeing in other sports like you just said francisco lindore makes 340 million dollars to play shortstop for

the New York Mets, a team that just stinks. Like, it's unbelievable what the top, what the top level guys on these other teams, these other leagues make. Yeah, and I agree with them. I'm just talking about guaranteed money and how we can reward some of the guys struggling with a little bit of extra cash at the end of the season. But I think that's a completely separate,

that's a separate issue in a pool, right? Like, this is like how big is your impact on golf and driving interest to golf? Those guys, I would argue, is zero. It's literally like as close to zero as it could possibly. That was not a point about. That's my point about when. It's like, yeah, win and get a big brand and then you can like make money in this little extra pool. I'm not talking about like their actual jobs.

Like, like we're talking an extra pool of money, an extra $40 million. We cannot spread that amongst people that have no brands. That's insane. Well, no, but like what about like a Smiley Kaufman or a Stewart Sink that like he could do something fun with his 984,000 Twitter followers to promote it? And so like having maybe making this pool instead of 40 to 50 million because I'm sure they could carve that out. having $10 million that's kicked back to smaller names, smaller people that are, yes, competing on tour, yes, doing everything, but like bringing people into like their golf world, their training.

Like, you know, I follow Ho Hostler, right? He's a visor guy. And, you know, he does some things about like his wedge play and things like that. That's kind of interesting. So I think a pool like this could help promote, help basically put the ask out there to promote golf, right because they are all you know exceptional golfers and they all all have a small following so you know that would be the ask but i hope obviously i hope there's one guy that really takes this program to heart and just becomes like he tries to become a needle mover and i i don't think there's

going to be many there might be one there might be none who are like really look at this and say hey maybe i'm not going to win every week or get a top 10 or a top 20 every week but if i grow my social following and I make an impact in different ways, I can get some of this money. I just hope there's at least one guy who kind of flies off the handle and goes crazy and does this. I don't know who it's going to be, but I hope one guy does it. Because do you really think, do you think this is going to motivate guys to operate differently? I think they'll be more willing to do stuff like these shows. Like, I think our industry is actually going to benefit from this the most.

Yeah. Hey, you want eyeballs? You want to get your Nielsen rating up? Come on 4Play podcast and come play a one club challenge against us or four man scramble. You know what I mean? Like, they may never have had like a reason to do it. And now it's like, oh, well, I can make $6 million each year if I become the most like guy on tour.

True. Yeah. In the Steve Elkington little weird debate that we have, this is actually the answer. It's like why have the Kisner's and the Max Homas and all these guys always agreed to come on without us ever paying anybody ever? And it's because it elevates their player impact program score. Like that's, even though that didn't exist prior,

that's the reason they do that. Now, a lot of people just with their own eyeball test on how the world and society works could make those calculations on their own, right? Of like, oh, Kiz's brand has elevated because he's worked with groups like us. And he's elevated and showcased his personality and his humor. And therefore people love him. When he goes to tournaments, more people recognize him. And therefore sponsors are more willing to work with him because they're going to get more brand exposure.

So Kisner, through all of that makes more money. Like most people can make all of those kind of like get to those conclusions on their own. But the player impact program, you know, makes it much more real. And throwing $40 million at it, you know, makes it much more real. And, you know, I think that this is also the tour telling people like, dude, grow your fucking brands. Like, it's going to benefit you to grow your brand. And even if you finish 11th and you get no direct money from the tour, you will benefit

from, you know, going up in all these categories over here. Like the higher you go in those categories, you can then take those. same numbers and stats basically to, you know, any potential advertiser that's either going to they're going to put themselves on your hat or put themselves on your bag or whatever. You know, these are, this is the argument that you make when you go to a company and try to get that money from them. So I think it's going to make people more aware. Yeah, I don't think everybody's going to embrace it.

Like, I don't know that we're going to see like Patrick Cantlay now. All of a sudden is an electric factory on like social media. I think you kind of are who you are for, you know, we are who we thought they were. a thing but some people yeah i mean you've already seen it with people tweeting more from the team thing it's like trying to put their little spin on it so you know i'm sure a lot of it will be corny and cheesy and fucking stupid um but people will be more conscious of it i think i like that we spun that into a positive for us come on our show do videos with us that's the quickest way you can do it if you want to get involved with this program come on our show right under it's thunder and like a motherfucker

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We're just recording for the last couple hours anyway. So we have this blocked off each time. He's in the lab. How we doing? He is in the lab. Yeah, this is my standard background for work. Love it. No, that's understandable.

So you've, I mean, I imagine you've, have you had kind of a couple big weeks and with Zalotaurus? Yeah. Yeah. What is it now? We're in a week and a half, right? It was last week. I lose track of time so easily.

Go ahead. I'm not going to talk. I'm not going to talk. Yeah, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to disconnect from my Wi-Fi because that Zoom sometimes lags on my Wi-Fi. I think there was a lag in the Zoom there. Oh, it was tremendous. So, yeah, a big couple of weeks.

people started really reaching out, you know, as the Masters was coming to a close. And then, yeah, kind of, I guess a few more inquiries after Stonyberg put out that video. Kudos to them. They found me all on their own. I didn't go looking for them. The media team at Stony Brook reached out and was like, like, how far do you want to take this? What do you want to do? So talk us through

Obviously, you know, we're probably going to preface it when we bring you into here. But you were the original caddy in Happy Gilmore for Adam Sandler. You are the person that is being, you know, when we sees Alatoris, we say he is happy's catty. You know, talk us through that process. Like how did you become, how did you fall into that role? And I know you were a little bit of a child actor. Is that like the term for what you were? Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, I was acting. professionally. I got an agent at first when I was 12, but I booked my first role when I was 13. And then I was booking, you know, at least a day or two pretty much every year, I think actually every year, until I was maybe 23. So it was, yeah, I had, you know, about a decade career as a child actor. Happy Gilmore was my first big role, obviously. You know, I did a couple feature films later, but happy Gilmore still remains the one that, you know, that people know, and potentially, you know, call me out for.

So, so, yeah, I, you know, my agent sent me to an audition. I mean, the, the sort of funny backstory to that was that I had been wanting to, like, dye my hair or crazy color, like green or red or blue. And my mom was just putting so much pressure on me not to do it. She's like, if you do this, you will never book any more acting gigs. Like this will, you know, you can forget about it. It's just, you know, just this is a terrible idea. And like, I held out for a while not doing anything with my hair.

And then I was like, you know what? I'm going to bleach it. And it won't be like an insane color, but it'll be like, it'll be bleached. And at least it's something. And I did it. And my mom said it was the worst. decision I'd ever made. And it turns out she was wrong because it was only about two or three weeks later.

I went in for the happy Gilmore audition. And when they called me back, I noticed that everyone at that first callback, every actor at the first callback for that role had bleached hair. So it was definitely something they were looking for. And then at that second audition, you know, the first callback, they asked me to come back in like two or three hours and I kind of had to wander around like I'm pretty sure it was at Lionsgate Studios which is nowhere near where I live. I didn't have a car. Obviously actually I wouldn't have known enough to drive. And so I kind of just like wandered around like the like these big industrial streets with nothing to do for a couple of hours. Came back and Adam was there. And we had a lot of fun kind of getting a little bit of.

physical in the audition room. Like he started tossing me around. And I guess he thought that was pretty fun. So they gave me the role. And they told my agent, tell him not to cut his hair. We're not shooting for two more months, but don't let him cut his hair. So they definitely made it as big as they could get it. Amazing.

There was a lot of hair spray. Because we're like, we're a golf podcast, right? And Happy Gilmore is like as iconic as it gets. And I think your character of that too is one that anyone could say at any moment to almost anyone in the country like, oh, Happy Gilmore's Caddy. Everybody would know and can picture that, that person. Like it's so you had such a distinct look going on. So it's like you're, you know, like immediately. So then when Zalataurus popped up, everyone is just like, oh, that's everyone knew it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's he and it's it's amazing that you know another man looks more like me at 14 than I do right I was just saying like Zalatores looks what you're supposed to look like right now like you know I mean like he looks more like you than you do which is stunning to me yeah my my proposal for him is that if if he grows some facial hair and dyes all of his hair brown I will bleach my hair

in shape that's a good tradeoff I like that yeah so for like a You know, a gig like that, you know, how many days of filming is it actually? And like, what was it, what was it like? I mean, especially you're so young at the time. Adam Sandler, I mean, he's, he was even a pretty big fucking star then. So it's just, what's that whole thing like? Yeah, so I think I had three days of shooting. And I think I was on set four days.

The first day they called me in, they didn't, they didn't end up using me. So, yeah, it all happens pretty quick. It's funny. It's simultaneously, like, faster and slower than you would think. Like, three days of work is not a lot. But then when you think that, you know, for the cruise, those are 12-ish-hour days. Typically, my days were 8 to 10, like, you know, 24, 30 hours of work to get, you know, maybe six to eight minutes on screen.

You know, it is still a fair bit. So, yeah, it was about three days of shooting spread across a couple of weeks. I got to know most of the cast pretty well and some of the producers. It was a really fun set. There was a great energy on that set. Everyone was having a lot of fun. And I think that helps the movie be successful because you feel that kind of energy when you watch it. Was it difficult to ever not laugh?

I mean, we've had Brian Baumgartner on here from the office and even his been like, oh yeah, we would just start laughing out loud a lot of the times. Was it ever difficult? yeah you lose some takes that way um you know it's been 25 years now so i i honestly could not tell you know what exactly was going on but there was a you know some film sets and and this is definitely one of them um get into like recurring pranks on on set so i'm pretty sure it was happy Gilmore you know it might have been a different show but there was like if if i remember like people were running around with these big like

they're almost like alligator clips but they're like big size for holding like you know holding a tarp down or holding cables down on these big clamps and they would sneak up behind people and clip them on their clothes from behind and run away

and like on my last day of filming you know I ended up with a with a Carl Weather's sized handprint in red right on my stomach. Because we actually, Carl and I got into

sneaking up on each other from behind and smacking each other as hard as we could. Which, you know, if you look at Carl and you look at me, is maybe, you know, I had the disadvantage there, but I did get the last hit in after I wrapped. I had wrapped. I was told to go home, but I went in for one more, one more on Carl to get the last word in. But it was just like, we're just goofing around.

It was a lot of fun. How much? Just go ahead, sorry. I was going to say, like, I hit him right out in the open on the golf course. I snuck out, like, I probably had to go, like, 200 feet to get up from behind him. I got him, and then I took off, and I ran through a pack of extras who were the fans at the golf match. And they parted to let me through and then closed ranks to stop Carl. he was chasing me and that was it I was out how much golf was actually like how many times did

Adam actually hit a golf ball during those takes oh god like physically hitting like balls or is it a lot of it like faking and like angles and stuff like that uh yeah so right okay so he was definitely hitting some balls but there was some faking as well i mean often you just need the big swing um and then they can put the ball in after you know i mean he didn't actually hit a 500 year cold water. Frankie, is that what you're asking? Is that the question Frankie's asking? Was that a real shot?

I'm talking like, do we need to like, do we need to refill and retake every time he doesn't make a perfect contact on the center of the club face or something? Right? Like, but they had that into it where it's like, all right, like that one like went off the toe and let's redo it. Movies aren't. They probably,

they probably had to hit the golf balls for the putting. I wasn't there for a lot of those shots. but I think the drives there might not even be in a ball, you know, when you're, when you're looking at Adam. It's like we've actually, Santa Claus isn't real. I mean, we do dumb little shoots too. And even we've had some, like, somebody needs to make a putt. Like, I just, I just can't make the putt. Like, I don't know what to tell you right now, but I can't put this ball into the hole right now for your shot.

And it's very frustrated. Are you able to go back and, like, watch that movie, like, or like, because it's so, it's just, You said it's been 25 years, right? Like, do you find it, like, weird to watch yourself in that role? Yeah, it's a little weird. I mean, I can watch it. I've shown my kids. They get a good kick out of it.

They, you show them when they're young enough. It's pretty funny because they don't believe what's going. At first, they're just like, whatever. That's not you. And then a little later, they're like, oh, wait, that's crazy. And then they tell all their friends. But, yeah, I mean, I probably, I must have seen Havie Gilmore 10 times in, in the first couple of years, three to five years afterwards. And then, honestly, I don't know if I'd seen it

again. You watch a movie that much. And you're sort of fine. Talk to us a little bit about, oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. Well, no, you can go because I was going to take it to after Happy Go More. Well, that's kind of where I was going. I was like, when you're in that type of role, obviously, that movie was instant success. Like, did you think you had kind of made it? Were you looking for, like, how long did you kind of look for other roles after that before, obviously, now being successful doctor. This is why we don't let him talk that much. Frankie's upset.

You're cutting out. You're cutting out, Lurch. Oh, I am. Oh, just skip me then. I just got a connection as unstable. Well, I think I got most of your questions. So, yeah, I mean, I, it was obviously a big success for me at the time. I knew, you know, I hadn't quite, like, made it yet.

but it did allow me to you know start auditioning for bigger roles and and it was you know by the time the movie came out within a year or two after that like I very nearly landed a lead on on freaks and geeks I very nearly landed a lead on a movie that ultimately didn't end up doing so well

but it was supposed to be a fat theatrical release called cheaters they ended up changing the name to cheats because it was too close to something else and then it went straight to video because of a story that is too impolite to repeat about the director and the producer getting in a fight at least that's what I was told

after the fact but that movie ended up being straight to video but I very nearly had a lead on that and there were a couple other things I'm trying to remember you know I auditioned for a small role in the original X-man movie you know in that era so there was a number of things

Like I just sort of narrowly missed a number of things that really probably could have catapulted my career much further. And maybe it would have changed. You know, if I had had real large scale success before about 2003, 2004, I would probably still be acting today. Right. And so you're not acting today. You're actually a psychiatric doctor at Stony Brook, which to me is like couldn't be more polar opposite from being the caddy and happy Gilmore. Talk to us a little bit about how you went from like A to. be there. That's just such a stunning turnaround in life. Right. So just a slight correction. I am not a

medical doctor. I'm a psychologist by training, but it's confusing because I am faculty in a medical school in a psychiatry department, which is more common than you would think. I don't see patients there. My role is to do research. So I run a small brain imaging laboratory where we study. both human cognition, but with a major focus on patients with psychotic disorders, which is predominantly schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder. So we're really trying to understand how the brains of patients with schizophrenia process information differently than people who do not have that psychiatric illness, because there are a number of reasons to believe that that,

that if we could understand that, then maybe we could intervene and help them have better cognition and sort of better cognitive ability, which would help them, you know, be able to be in the community instead of in the hospital, hold down jobs, so on and so forth. Golf is back, ladies and gentlemen. It's obviously springtime. It's nicer weather around pretty much the whole country, not every day, but for the most part. And generally, people are out playing golf more. our friends at Pinn Golf just sent me their newest range finder the ace.

I got to say, it's awesome. It's so good, once again, that this thing, when I opened this really cool box, and I'm showing these guys right now, it comes in this awesome box. It's so good that it's not in here because this thing, when it came, goes straight in my golf bag, and my golf bag is down in my car. You want to know how good that thing is? When I first used it was when, and Lurch has one, too, Frankie's shot of 76. We use that thing all day long and Frankie shot a 76.

I almost want to rename it like the Frankie and Trent great golf experience range finder. I mean, we had such a good time with this thing. It knows exactly where the pin is. Immediately it is affordable. It's lightweight. It's called the ace. It's fucking awesome. Everything about this rangefinder I enjoy.

It comes in a nice durable case that has this little like this little like rope thing that you see that thing. Lurch, look at that thing. Oh my God. I love that little rope thing. It's so classy. I don't know. What is that like, what is that from? Like I've, like, I've done that on other things before where you put like a little piece of, you know what I'm talking about? Like, I've done that before. It's almost like a really nice box with like a gift inside of it has something like that. Yeah. You know what I mean? The packaging is phenomenal. You can tell that a lot of work and money went into the packaging, which I take a lot of, you know, I respect that a lot. And I just, all I need out of a fucking range finder is to just tell me. what the yardage is and they have perfected that. So all we need.

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So you go to P-N-N-N-E-D-O-F dot com, get yours today. Before the sale ends, you can get this puppy for $1.99. It's called the ace. It's penned golf and it's awesome. Now, I read a tweet the other day. This is a tweet. So, you know, I don't know if it's true. But they said that the most complex thing that we know as humans is the human brain.

Is there some truth to that where it's like it's something that we can physically see and it's the most complex thing that we know? Yeah, I think of there being really sort of three front. tiers that are that are the most unexplored and most difficult to explore and those are space the depths of our oceans and the human brain there are each human

brain has more neurons in it more cells in it than there are stars in in the galaxy you know it's just it's a phenomenal number just stop right now what are you talking about man I mean, that, so that's an infinite amount of number, right?

So that's infinite, right? So, like, well, I don't, I don't remember the number off the top of my head. We could look it up real quick here, but it's not infinite, but it's a very large number. And then the number of connections between them, right, is exponentially higher. 100 billion. 100 billion around. There you go. Now, um, I'm curious.

So, you know, you, and the work you guys are doing clearly is amazing, like to commit yourself, your career, your time to trying to help people. How much of that, I don't know if it's a percentage breakdown of you just talk about it, but is, are you scanning like, like visual, you know, images of what's going on in the brain, you know, versus different people? Or is it, you know, even cognitively for you guys, like having them answer questions? Like, how do you break that down in terms of researching it? So we actually do those two things simultaneously in a way. We give them like a memory task usually, although there are other tasks we might use, that they perform while they're in the scanner. And then we're getting images of the brain every two seconds that will,

where changes in the image show us which regions are becoming more active or less active. So, you know, we can say, okay, right now you're doing nothing. and then when we give you, you know, the letters X, B, and F, and now you got to remember that for 10 seconds, and then I ask you was B, one of the letters I gave you, during that delay, we look at which parts of the brain become active during the delay to help you remember that information. Wow. Wow. That is fascinating. So are you, you know, I imagine that a lot of these with the different sort of studies, experiments, you go in with a hypothesis of like what's going to happen? What are, like, is there one

big like, holy shit moment where it went to different, like way differently than you expected? The results were way differently than you expected. I mean, that happens all the time. Yeah. Especially when you study human beings, they, they never quite do, you know, what you expect them to or wish they would you. So, yeah, it's a mixed bag of, like, yes, that's exactly what I thought. It worked.

And that's, you know, really an amazing feeling when that happens. And then other times you're like, what is this? Okay. That's amazing. A term in golf, especially with me, right? Like, everyone says, you know, I can hit the golf ball perfectly from, you know, 10050 yards away to off the tee, I'm perfect. But when I get a wedge in my hand, I become a mental disaster, right?

And everyone says it's in your head. It's in your brain. You can't get that mental block out of your head. Is that something that, like, you could go into explain to us a little bit more. Like, what does that even mean? Like a mental block, you know, having, being a mental midget or whatever people call you. Like, for me, I'm always like, what does that even mean? I know how to play.

Why does it change? Yeah. So I think what's happening there is you have, you know, people talk about a muscle memory. And that memory is in your brain. It's not in your muscles. But the term makes sense because it's sort of a non-conscious system for performing motor behaviors. So you've played enough golf at this point, you know, that your body knows how to do it. But we also have this intentional motor system that allows me to say, you know, oh, wait, no, I need to, like, I can't just let my body sort of run on autopilot without thinking about it.

I need to do this specific thing. I need to reach and grab my keys. I need to, you know, you have this intentional system that can kind of come in and interfere with that muscle memory system. And those are, you know, we know a fair bit of the brain circuitry for both of those. And so, yeah, I think, you know, what people mean by that is it's like you're letting that conscious system come in and try to do. the thing rather than letting the, you know, that muscle memory system that already knows how to do it just do its thing on its own, you know, without interfering. See, like, that's, that's amazing. That's fascinating to me because I, I think about this

occasionally where if I just walk and I'm thinking about something else, right, I just walk normally and you could walk forever, you don't even notice it. Whereas I, if I think about walking, I like can't walk. I don't, I can't, like, I probably look ridiculous. It's like, look at that guy trying to walk. He can't do. Like, what is he doing? And I'm like,

that to me is so fascinating. Yeah, it's like the roadside, you know, drunk test, walking a straight line. Yeah, you have to think about it

and you can't look at your feet. It's, it's real hard if you had a few drinks. Totally. So, you know, so then I would think, right,

like I can clearly just walk and I walk normally. I can like turn left and I don't even, my brain doesn't even think about it. I don't need to activate my brain. So I'm wondering, like, would the actual, imagery and scanning of my brain when I take a golf swing versus and I try to take a golf swing

versus when I'm just walking, would that look like all kinds of crazy different activity if you put it on a scanner? Yeah, there, yeah, there would be different systems that are associated with intentional motor plans, whereas the sort of automatic motor plans tend to run in the, you know, in the cerebellum and striatum. There's like a, there's like a whole separate lower level sort of system that that runs things automatically when you're not really paying attention. And then when you try to bring top down control into it, then we would see, you know, a different sort of prefrontal cortex system. So how do I get a good golf swing back there?

Like, put it in that fucking spot, man. Practice. Just do that. Practice. This is what, this is why, this is why, you know, when, you know, in golf or any other sport or really any motor activity, you want to, You have to have the right form and you have to start with the right form. Because if you learn with the wrong form, then that automatic system will have the wrong form. Right.

So you've got to like you've got to kind of train it the correct way and then you can sort of do it semi-automatically. So is that like is that a little bit where like the 10,000 hours thing comes from to be able to like perfect something or be like an elite, you know, performer at something comes from? Yeah, maybe there's a relationship there. I haven't, you know, thought about that specifically. And I'm sure there's other aspects of expertise, you know, beyond just sort of implicit learning. I think basically what Riggs is asking is nobody in this room was taught with the right mechanics. So how do we fix that? Is there 10,000 hours?

Is it what do we do? Is it men in black pants? How do we get to a core? We're trying everything, man. We got we got swing coaches. Now we got a psych, you know, we got a psychiatric. We're doing everything we can. What can we do?

There's some, and real quick, I know we've probably got to get you out of here because you've been here for longer than we had you. But I always wondered, like, does someone like Tiger Woods's brain look different than mine or does someone like someone that's able to, an actor that's able to remember all their lines and where there's supposed to be is that person's brain physically look different than mine who's just a normal can't remember anything can barely get sentences

together type of person he gave the quickest knot of all time I would say yes probably almost definitely so we see so I don't know about studies of Tiger Woods specifically but when you look at the studies of expertise

so for example professional guitar players have a larger representation for their fingering hand in the brain, there's more brain cortex, more real estate in the brain is taken up representing that hand. And you see that, you know, there's another famous study of London taxi drivers who, you know, the London street map is an insane thing and there's a test that they all have to take in order to be a, you know, to be licensed as a taxi driver. And they have larger hippocampuses, which is a region

associated with spatial memory. So it's like, yes, the brain changes with experience. Okay, that's the question I was going to ask. They're not born with that. That's something that is developed, correct? Because that would be crazy luck to have a part of your... Okay, okay. We believe.

Think about the serendipity, like, oh, I happen to have this part of my brain that's bigger about spatial encompassing of the world or whatever it is. I'm actually more inclined to believe that that's how you're born because then you just, if you want to be a London taxi driver, it's sort of you are filtered there. If you don't have that, you're gravitating towards something. Right.

You gravitate towards something that you're naturally like inclined to be. Right. This is what he does. Do you look at him? He's like, now you're talking. Now you're having a scientific debate. And it's absolutely true that

because we can't take you know, a hundred, you know, kids and say, you guys are going to become a taxi driver and you guys aren't. And then we'll know,

it does always maybe they became taxi drivers because they already had the capacity to do it maybe their brain changed because they trained so hard. It's the chicken or the egg. Wow. It's exactly what it is. Wow. Dr. Van Snellenberg

you have really, really just tossed this thing into a tizzy because we are going to be talking about this for years to come. For ages, my friend. Years to go. Ages. We're going to debate this. Started talking off Happy Gilmore and and dye your hair blonde.

And now I'm legitimately walking down the street in the rain trying to figure out what my brain was supposed to lead me to in this life. I'm walking now and trying to remember how I walk. Like we're just, we're all over the place. Wow. We appreciate the time. Dr. Snellenberg, we appreciate it. It's a fascinating, it's a fascinating thing to be able to talk about, you know, the caddy and Happy Gilmore and then go into a little scientific debate about the brain. So we appreciate the time.

We know you're a busy person. Keep up the awesome work. And we really do appreciate the time. All right. Thanks, guys. It was a pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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I know, I got a message to that, Dave, you know, like, you got to stop saying, God damn so much. He's like, I'm listening. Guys and women, by the way, on the show. Guys and women. So, but we have, I mean, yeah, we're trying to get guys and women on this show that are just legitimately, their thought leaders in the show. space, man. Like they,

they just know things that we don't. We don't always have to talk off. Like, see, Dr. Von Snellenberg, the caddy from fucking from fucking, from fucking happy Gilmore, just taught us about like brain, like work and the way that it

maneuvers us into our lives and like, are we born with certain cerebral parts of our brain that are bigger than others? I mean, come on, man. That's what I love. That's what I live for right there. We learn something and we thought about something. Yeah, he was perfect because he had the connection with Happy Gilmore, and then he was like, you guys want to talk about brains?

And we're like, yep. He also, he just made me feel like when I'm standing over a golf ball, attempting to do the right thing, that I have no chance because the space in my brain hasn't even been like set aside yet or built up yet to the right size and with the right real estate for the proper golf swing to fit in that part of my brain. Here's my thing. Here's my thing.

conversation about the brain eventually leads me to thinking that my thoughts aren't even my own thoughts. It's just neurons firing. Like I think I'm a person. Like I'm Trent, you're Frankie Riggs lurch. But then at the other day, it's just this electricity firing my brain deciding these things for me. And that's when normally I'm pretty cool,

calm and collected and Frankie goes out the reservation. That's when I need to go take a walk and just like sit on a park bench somewhere. Trent, you are a fucking, what you literally are is a pile of dust and particles that came together from like stars exploding and planets breaking up all over the goddamn universe over the last you know 13 billion years and your pile of dust just happen to come together and guess what you're going to like die and you're going to become another pile of dust you're going to be all over the place that's all you got that's it yikes yeah you have all these little electronics

synapses just allowing you to like do the thing that we accept as humans like that's like it's somehow a system in which we are just comfortable with it now right like we just we speak words and we go to work and we walk and we drink water and like all these things that's just we don't even know who's controlling it now man Jared von Snellenberg has just launched this campaign in my brain to make me think I'm not even a real person I like you're saying I am just a bunch of muscles and electronic little like like synapses that are just firing off nonsense that we all just accept and also have I developed my brain just like the taxi drivers in London and just like Tiger Woods and just like the guitar stuff.

I developed something in my brain where I can no longer hit wedges now. Has it been so long? Has it been so many attempts that I now can note like that part is now bigger in a negative way? It's called the yips, I think, is what is kind of what that. But I'm picturing my brain having a little bit of a pimple right here on the right, just like a little raise. And that's just negative thoughts above the golf ball.

That's all that is, that little spot of my brain. I would just love to see a picture at some point let us come out there and like scan our brain. First thing I was an asterp, but I thought that may be insensitive with all the work he's doing. Tiger Woods is hitting a ball in comparison to us and what that your brain looks like at that moment of the swing.

His is just flat line. Ours is fucking. Guys, I was going to ask him that, but I just like, number, I have two things why I didn't ask him that. Number one is that like, is that not the right thing to do to someone that's actually trying to change the world? And number two, if I go in there and they put a scanner on my brain, they're not letting me out.

I am staying. I'm going to a new department. Take your car keys. They're taking your cell phone. Why are my arm strapped down? What's this all about? Wait a minute. I'm telling you, bro, I end up in a gown and I just don't get to leave. They call my insurance and they're like, this kid's got to stay. We found something in, you know, Section 3, you know, row 18. All I know is I at some point want to see Jared Van Snellenberg again. He was just a really nice guy who knows a lot about the brain.

I want to have him, like, can we be his Rogan? Like, can he just come on and talk to us about all of his thoughts, his, his hypotheses, all of his, all of his hypotheses, all of his theories. I want him, I want four play golf podcast presented by Barstall Sports and Owens Mixers to be his platform, to allow the world to understand what he's thinking about the brain. Because I think he's got some ideas. 100%. Oh, yeah.

Like, he gave us the boilerplate, like, here's what I do. And when we scan the brains and we give a memory test. But I think, like, when he goes home, he's thinking, like, I saw some shit today that I can't say at the office. I want him to come on this podcast and say it. I think he very clearly, too, is a guy who wants to tell people stuff because he at one point was like, yeah, there's a story I can't say, but then basically told the story. So I think he wants to tell people some shit. I've always wondered this with doctors, especially now brain doctors for. sure but like do you think there's a sense uh or like do you think they ever go home and they're

like all right let's say a heart doctor goes home and he just did fucking uh uh open heart surgery uh you know triple bypass surgery on a guy because the guy all he ate his whole life was sauce and cheese and and he had fat soup sour patch kids now do you think that affects that guy's life like when he goes home and eats like pizza on Fridays with his kids or do you think like jared von Snellenberg now, like, thinks about his brain, like, pulsating and moving in the way. Like, now he's working with schizophrenic patients. He has to. Like, is he thinking about his brain being like, oh, fuck.

Like, if I just saw this brain do this, like, what's mine doing? Like, that would just throw me off, man. Dude, he has to because of the same effect of, like, if you go by, you know, or you go at least, like, a yellow SUV, then the only thing that you see on the road are yellow SUVs. So it's like you can't, if you're over there grinding over the thoughts of the brain all day, you can't not implement that into thinking about your own brain. Right. I agree.

It's, I mean, you just take your work home with you. It's like, this is an extreme example, but like a homicide detective goes to work, sees all this crazy shit and goes home. He's like, man, I can't believe people are capable of that. And then you go and you look at brains all day and you think like, damn, it's pretty crazy what brains are capable of. God, it's got to be so, like, awesome, but also damning. Like it's horrifying Sitting there in bed Knowing so much about the brain

I'm grateful that I don't know that much about the brain It's important work But I'm grateful I don't know that much Because I wouldn't be able to go to sleep If I knew what it took to get us to live I don't know that I'd be able to live Like I don't know that I would have to breathe I knew what actually

100% If I knew like what had to go Into the process to make my heartbeat I think I'd think about my heart beating Every five seconds You know what? You know what? just convinced me is that my brain isn't my brain. My brain is science's brain. Like,

right. This is, this is not a brain that, that Riggs owns and operates. This is a brain that science owns and operates. And I'm just a function of that. I'm a result of that. I'm not driving it. Right. We're just along for the ride. That's a dangerous road to go down. I mean, yeah, real dangerous. Like, like that gets you out of a, could that get you out of a, could that you out like does the jeers that hold up against the jury like no i don't want you give it a shot i'm not that wasn't me that was there's neurons and shit going on up there i don't i can't control those it's not your brain it's a brain it's just like a thing that's happening hold on hold on it's your brain like you i don't know man educated in this life you make decisions you can is a brain

you can scope like and build out parts of your brain to be yeah like you can you can you can customize it like a car a little bit you can add little you can add rims to it you can add a body kit to it you can you can do a few things but but i you but i you but is that you choosing to those things or is that a brain that just happen to be attached to your body i'd put it this way i'll put it this way i'd put it this way i'm less in control than i thought i was 100% dude that's right that's right bro we these people that have these psychiatric problems and they don't understand what's going on their brain they have to go to dr von snellenberg and hook up to these machines to see why the fuck

their brains are doing stuff that they don't want it to do. It's not our brains. They are just brains that we have to deal with. And like, we are just their little monsters that are running around and moving our arms and grabbing fucking oars and out of SPF stuff and we're grabbing pewtimore shirts and pin golf range

finders. How do you think how do you think Jake Bass here on 421 now is handling all his brain jatter? Jake can hear his heartbeat for sure right now. Well, he's got seven masks. because I've already like, I've already pondered these things. These are,

these are thoughts that I've already had. Dude, I want, I want Jared von Snellenberg on this show at least once a month. At least, at least once a month. To share his new findings or what he's working on? Yeah, anytime something comes across his brain, not to go back to brains too much,

where he just, it gets like, I gotta talk to people about this. We are the people. He comes on this show and he talks about it. Well, the flip side of that is, whenever we have a what's up doc brain question we got our guy now even if it's just rehashing the same

stuff we just talked about once a month i'm fine with it i want to hear him talk i could do that all day i could do that for days right day long and here's another call out to our our listeners if you know anyone in the space in any spaces you know that we should talk to that you know personally that you can put us in contact with i'm just going to rattle off a couple people that i want to speak to and that i want on the show. Number one, his name is Neil deGrasse Tyson. I want to talk space with Neil deGrasse Tyson. Number two, his, I want to talk to an astronaut. Bad, badly. If you have contact with any astronaut, someone that's been to space, preferably has touched the moon. I mean, that's an old guy, right? Because that was in the what? The 60s. Been a long time, yeah. So maybe not touch the

moon, but I want someone that has floated in space on this show. That's not that bad. That's not that tall of an app. There's a lot of people that have the first time that you realize that people haven't been to the moon in a long time. Were you surprised? Yes. Yeah, it makes me think that we never went to the moon, but that's also a thing that I'm not going to get into on the public. No, I, no, I really don't want to do that because I know you've like, grinded over the picture from, from the moon. I think we've been to the moon. I think it's, I think it's crazy, you know, disrespectful to say that we haven't been because, like, there are definitely people that know that we went to the moon. My, whole thing is like, all right, there's this cold war.

You have to get to the moon. We happen to get to the moon that one year. I know a lot of attempts like didn't work before that, but we just never try again. Like, why do we just like stop going to the moon? I don't understand. Like, it's not like a money thing. We spend money on the dumbest fucking things in the world. You're telling me that like we don't want to go back to the moon ever.

Well, that was what was surprising to me. Like, yeah, we went back a few different times and did different experience. But then like pretty shortly after they just. stopped going and I remember the first time learning that. I was like, no, I thought, like, I assume people were just up there right now just doing science and shit. Like what Dr. Van Snellenberg is doing for the brain. They're just doing on the moon right now.

I agree. But yeah, it's been, it's been a good long while. You know what? We need to talk to an astronaut to give us these answers. I support that. Why don't we go back to the moon? Talking to an astronaut would be incredible. Aren't they like the most impressive people, all-round people?

Matha, math. in the world. They have to know everything. They have to be physically more impressive than, like, professional athletes. They have to be, in terms of brain power, like, more. They're just, they're, like, unreal. They have to go through all these psychiatric tests that I'm sure Dr. Van Stenberg would love to perform on them in order to, like, get through it.

They just have to be all around, like, perfect, I think. I mean, they're Earth's ambassadors as they just, they leave. They're just, that's them. They're going to be out there. And, like, if something goes wrong, like, really wrong, they got a, be able to figure it out because they're not like there's not a hospital down the street. I mean, we strap them to rocket ships and we just send them like to space. And you know, it's scary.

Right. Like at a certain point, that is what it is. Like, you can talk to me about all the mathematics and how far away it is. But at some point, it boils down to you're getting in that thing and we're lighting a big old fire under you and you're going up. And we trust you. Like, we trust you. Like, you got this. Like, go get them out there in this in space. And the track record's not great. Right? Like, the track record's not great. You see. things blow up all the time. Like missions just fail. Very dangerous.

Very dangerous. And to bring it to one of our favorite comedians of all time, Dan Soder, I think he's the one that says, like, we've just gone to the edge of the driveway and opened up the mailbox. Like when it comes to, like, sending people to space. Like, we just, we've really just traveled to the edge of the driveway. Like, the moon that we can see, we've gone there, like, a couple times. And we haven't gone there since.

And everything else, we just send these robots out. Like, we just haven't. has people done really anything, like, when it comes to, like, what we really should be accomplishing, which is actually scary. I mean, when we talk about that, like size and scope, like the mailbox, like, when it just makes you feel uneasy. And then you start talking in circles, though, too, because it's like what else is out there and then makes you, Frankie, of all people, just go absolutely crazy.

But it is almost impossible to think that as far as my eye can see is like the front stoop of the planet. You know, it's honestly preposterous at that level. In our lifetime, will we see humans walk on Mars? In our lifetime.

I think that there will be attempts to see people go to Mars. And you know what? I think that we will. I think there will be a big push in the next like 20 years. Some crazy Elon Musk competitor will come in and try and it'll be like a race to Mars.

really do think so yeah i agree i do i do too think about how cool of a whole thing that will be for all us to experience like human beings like work because we're going to have too with technology now like we should have like HD footage as these motherfuckers are just stepping on to mars and we like we'll have parties there'll be people in times square like that'll be an act that'll be a monumental day that we'll all just hope isn't it funny that it probably will be it takes a race to it takes like saying someone know i'm going to get there before you for it to probably happen like i i'll say Elon musk is pretty motivated to get there he seems like the guy who would be able to get us there but if you throw like a rival at him i think we get there twice as fast

what do you think about the people that say we shouldn't worry about all that stuff we should take care of all the stuff that's happening on earth and blah blah blah and we shouldn't like be sending people to Mars? I think I get it because I like helping people. I think that they're wrong because I think like a lot of good discoveries, developments, inventions, you know, moving society along from a technological standpoint that has ultimately helped people medically that have come from, you know, our exploration into space and a lot of other things.

Now, I wish I had the exact facts and I'm not a facts guy, right? But I listened to Joe Rogan and Neil deGrasse Tyson was on it and he made the point that everyone brings up that, you know, it's all about the budget and the budget's ridiculous and how could we give this much money to NASA for all the space exploration? And I believe, and people can like fact check me on this, but I believe he said if you took a dollar bill and that whole dollar bill was like the budget that we have, right, for like America to like spend on stuff. Like NASA and space exploration is like you don't even get into the green of the dollar. It's like still on the outside of the white. It's like 1.1% of like what we actually spend on stuff. And if you really think about like how important it is to find out what's happening in our galaxy and our solar system and like they can try and predict the future and what our next plans are going to be for environmental stuff, that like minimal amount of percentage is just so like you should even think about it. You shouldn't even like understand where that money is going because it's so above your head and it's so minimal when it comes.

and what we actually spend. Don't even worry about it. Well, there's also the, it's Armageddon. It's the line from Billy Bob Thornton where he says, like, people have questioned the reason for NASA's existence. Today we give them the answer. And then they go up and they save the world. So, you know, at some level, if Earth's about to go extinct and somehow what we're doing, like, if there's a time where we find out Earth, we're about to go extinct, Earth's about to go extinct, it's going to be like, all right, well, let's just get everyone out here and go figure something out.

So in theory, it's like, it's all, it's just part of it. Like Frankie said, like, it's a very small part of the budget relative to everything else. So I'm all for it. Clearly, I'm a big pro-NASA guy. Also, it just gives us hope. It's exciting. Like, our parents, everybody, they got to watch people land on the fucking moon. Like, how cool is that?

Unbelievable. It's awesome. What a show. What a show. Yeah, man. You never know what you're going to get on the four-play golf podcast. Never. just don't know what you're going to get.

There's a team event this weekend. There's some cool teams out there that I'm excited to watch. But after talking about the brain and the moon, I don't know that we're going to do it justice. So I would rather talk about the results of it next week than kind of do some big kind of preview things. So that's it. For me, do you fellows have anything else on today's lovely show?

Well, there was that one group, right? The four-play group, kids and Brownie, Pat Perez and Coke. That's an awesome group. So make sure to keep your eye out for that at the Zarek Classic. Aside from that, I don't really have much else. You know, Islanders destroyed the Rangers and they ruined their season. The golf is going to be fun this weekend.

Shout out to Jared Van Snellenberg. That's what I want to say. Shout out to that guy. Really good guess. Interesting life. We'll be back on Tuesday. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

Hit it hard. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. wait a minute we have to talk about this YouTube video that's coming out tonight right

or is it tomorrow is it tonight when this comes out what's today today is coming out it's coming out tonight when people are listening to this holy shit all right so I mean this is this is huge news

someone want to take this away I mean I mean we played with Butch Harmon so yeah Rio Seco in Las Vegas Rio Seco in Vegas was our first stop we landed this is like a month ago or so and people know that we did the Butch Harmon

podcast but all of that was unplanned save for essentially eBug producer brendon had sort of been communicating with rio sake we put him in touch with them and we knew the buch harmon school was there and he was basically surprising us on the second hole he was going to arrive and bug kind of knew some of this we didn't we didn't know any of it and butch was such the man that he played you know he basically followed us and chirped and talked and gave us advice and told stories for i would say what turned out to be 10 or 11 holes. And then we convinced them afterwards.

We just asked them like, hey, you got time to do a podcast? We did the podcast. I'm sure everyone listening now, listen to that one because it's one of the biggest ones we've ever done. So now if you liked that show, you have that podcast essentially in video form on the golf course of Butch reacting to what we're doing, reacting to our golf swings, how we're hitting shots, strategically working our way through it, chirping what happens in our game, chirping the outcomes of the round.

and this video is going to be fucking awesome. Dron footage. It's just really good. Dude, I forgot that. So he basically did nine holes with us, basically did the front nine with us, and we had a match going on. And then I had forgotten until just now that he showed up again on the 17th or 18th hole and like finished out the match with us. And it was incredible.

Yeah. He's as candid of a guest appearance in any video we'll ever do, any video we've ever done, any video we will ever do. We'll never get a guy that has his stature, that is like so into it and so into like talking to the camera i mean he flips off the camera everything about him is just so perfect for a four play youtube audience barstool audience like he is just an older stooly kind of guy and it's just so perfect that it's butch arm it and he was fucking tiger woods's coach and it's just to me it's it's it's a fake life type of guests in a video

um i cannot wait for this thing to air you know i'm i'm assuming we're going to go eight o'clock at night on YouTube. We're going to premiere it. We're all going to be in the chat. Just make sure you join there. Make sure you subscribe. Let's get this thing. Let's make sure a lot of people are in this in this premiere video.

I like when we see a big number. Usually we're at the 4,000, 5,000 range. Let's get that thing up. Let's all be in there. Let's make fun of my tities. Let's make fun of Trent. Let's make fun of Lurch and Riggs. And let's go watch Butch Harmon.

I cannot wait to be there with all of you. That's all I have for today. The only thing that I thought Trent was going to speak to is that Butch also imparts himself in the match late on when he joins us after the 17th hole. So I think, you know, there's a few things to be ready to watch for. I think he's a beauty. His humor is incredible, but he's also a golf guy, and he also owns that course, I would say, pretty much.

So, you know, it's the rules we live under when we play at Butch's course. Yeah, he makes a very important ruling on the 18th hole. There's some iconic moments on the 18th. whole in the entire match. So people are going to be talking about this one for a long time, I think, and it comes out tonight. So go to 4Play golf on YouTube, get yourself ready. Other than that, I have nothing else.

Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.