Fore Play - “The Next Tiger Woods,” featuring Chris DiMarco

Episode Date: January 14, 2020

Chris DiMarco joins the show (~53:10) for the first time. DiMarco, unfortunately, had the best seat in the house for Tiger's famous chip-in on 16 at Augusta in the final round of the 2005 Masters, eventually losing to Tiger in a playoff. We discuss battling Tiger Woods, Patrick Reed's handling of the bunker incident, how golf can improve slow play, and MUCH more. Before DiMarco joins, we react to Charlie Woods' golf swing, the Sony Open finish, and Trent's severe addiction to sugar!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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Most famous one of them was the 2005 Masters when Tiger Woods hold. The chip on 16, ball sits on the hole on the edge, falls in, everybody goes nuts. Tiger ends up winning that in a playoff against Chris DeMarco. We talk about all that and a lot more. He, of course, had the Red Hot take tweet about Patrick Reed last week. Yes. Called him a dick. We talked all about that.

He's a very pinnated guy. He's also an incredibly well-respected and well-liked guy on tour. Very articulate. He's had a radio show or he had a radio show golf related for, I think he said 13 years. He's done morning drive with Golf Channel. Now he's on the Champions Tour. He's won three different PGA Tour events. He's made a bunch of team events.

I think he's made two Rider Cups and two Presidents' Cups. So anyways, he is as well-respected, very, very accomplished. He's been part of some epic moments in golf, and we talk about all that. So it's a very good interview. That's coming up in a few minutes. Quick reminder to go check out our YouTube page. We're on YouTube. We put everything on YouTube.

So it's really like the best way to. to sort of categorize and put all of our stuff into one place. You know, just scroll through Twitter or through the website. And then you should go to YouTube. Before play golf, boom, all of our stuff's there. I was watching our Aldera video the other day. It's kind of crazy that that happened, though. Kevin Chappell didn't play a single shot and just hosted us at his home course in Seattle.

And then a couple months later, shot 59 at the PJ door. It is a wild thought to think that. Because at the time, he was like, he might as well have been paralyzed. Like, he couldn't, he wasn't nasty. And he also spent the whole day with us while we played. He easily could just be like, here, go play, I'm leaving. He could have done any other activity. Yeah.

Like, he probably wanted to hang out with his kids or his family or play video games or something. Did he think you guys were going to misbehave? And that's why he's like, I got to keep an eye on these guys. Almost like a father. He had to be a fatherly figure. Right. Like he's like, I want to hang out with my kids, but I don't want out there to be like, what are these assholes?

I got to be the adult. the room. Right. I was probably put into play a little bit. Yeah. I can't look at you wearing that head, that beanie. Why? Why can't you look at me wearing this be? Because talk about your beanie.

The beanie is built on lies. What does that mean, though? So Trent had this beanie since when? I mean, pretty much since I started working a bar stool. Five years, six years ago. Right. We first started making beanies probably. Definitely, yeah.

Might have been the only one we made at the time. Right. And, you know, Trent Famine. I honestly wore it all the time. That was like your hat. Yep. And then you say that one day in New York City, you just forgot it in a cab. I have this tendency in cabs where it could be a baseball hat or like a beanie that I'm

wearing right now. And I take them off when I get into a cab. I don't know why. And then I have a tendency to forget that I took the hat off and I just get out and I leave the hat. You don't get too hot in the cab or something? Yes, it does. Is that what happens?

Yep. Leaving stuff in cabs is so simple. It's so dark back there. It's like a black hole. Yeah. You know, sometimes you have like your AirPods and stuff. Like I've come very close from just leaving my phone there where I'm about to shut the door. I'm like, oh, there's my phone on the seat.

My phone. You were gone if I didn't close that door. Backpack. I've done that before where I like at the last thing before I closed the door. I'm like, I need to get around my back. So anyway, I walk into work today. And I've always made fun of Trent for this being like, don't you miss that? Not always have done a couple times.

Don't you miss that beanie? And he's like, you know what? Yeah, I do. Because I saw some guy tweeted Trent being like, man, I wish you had, I bet you wish you had that beaniey right now. A completely unrelated thing. I've tweeted out a picture. I tend to stand with my hands of my hips

Like when I'm just like hanging out Talking to people in the office Like a judgmental mother Yeah I do I look like a substitute teacher Who's lost control of the room And people will like You got those hand-bearing hips

That's what it is like Those hips are just need to help There's a couple pictures There's me wearing ice skates When we did some sort of ice skating video You and I were doing We were together We had to do a routine

That's right Yeah partner routine There was another one where The one I'm talking about now Is I was just talking to YP When he used to sit across me at the old office somebody snapped a picture of me and I'm wearing the beanie.

And so when someone tweets something sort of mean about me, I will just put that picture of me under the tweet being like, that was me and I don't approve of that. And then so out of the blue, a guy tweeted me after I tweeted that picture once, boy, I bet you really missed that beanie. And it was the meanest thing that someone had said to me all year. I really,

that's someone who knows what's going on. They know my life and they know that I miss that. Everyone has that one piece of clothing, whether it's a hat or like I wear hats every day. Like if I just lost something, that you wear every day it sucks yes you know especially you're like the same outfit every every single day so i lost that beanie whenever devastated i hit up our guy mike welker shout out to him he sent me a new beanie and now i'm wearing it today and frankie's making fun of me which we don't even

sell anymore do we i think we do sell it oh we do why is it it's not built on uh lies it's just it's just like i walked in today i walked you're also acting like you didn't lose that thing a year ago we've been talking about it for a long time it's an up it's like a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a joke that always pops up once in a while and then today I walk and you're just wearing the beanie. Whatever. I know it's a lot of beanie talk, but I love this beating. And I know this one doesn't have all the years and all of the blogging hours in it that the old one does, but we're starting a new. You can't just replace it.

It's like replacing a little kid's goldfish when he's at school and it dies. You can't just replace. You think that kid's going to know it's a goldfish. If you're in that situation, you would replace it. Yeah. Definitely. I wouldn't. I'd say a fucking goldfish died.

I would replace that thing forever. You got to learn that death. I could die right now. You think you're going to replace me? I would replace that goldfish so many times that my son or daughter would think it was a supernatural goldfish. He'd be like, yeah, I've had this goldfish for 17 years. Everybody's like, they're Googling it. They're like, exactly.

I wonder how many. In high school, and he Googles how long goldfish are supposed to live. And he finds out it's like a couple months, not 15 years. You'll be devastating. No, he won't be. He'll be like, boy, I got a real special goldfish. I wonder how many parents actually do that. And they don't just say, like, you know what?

It died. Tons. You think so? Yeah. A ton of people listening around being like, I've literally. done this. You'll do anything as a parent to avoid that type of confrontation with a young trial. They'll go nuts. They'll ruin your fucking week, month, year with that kind of bad information. Yeah, I would keep that going. But this is, having this new beanie, I love it. I'm

ready to start a new life with this beanie, and we're going to start blogging, we're going to start podcasting. And by the time, you know, a couple months down the road, you're everybody's just be like, that's the beanie. And it's no big deal. Speaking of parenting, you need to spill something on it. Yeah, what do you got in there? You got water? Yeah, maybe a little coffee or something. Speaking of parenting, are we going to talk about Charlie Woods? So Charlie Woods is exactly what we're talking about. He's number one on our list of headlines to talk about. So somehow, 10-year-old Charlie Woods, who was the son of...

Is he 9 or 10? I saw he's 10, no? I saw someone say 9, and that was so much funnier. Single digit? I saw 10 everywhere. Okay, so I saw just one tweet that said 9 then. No, he was born in 2009, so he has to be at least 10. Okay.

I'm turning 11 this year. It was a 9-10. Okay. Nine holes. You got your nines mixed up. And he finished ninth. So you got a little tweaked out there. Charlie Woods, who's the son of Tiger Woods,

who's the greatest golfer to ever exist on planet Earth, somehow in his 10 years of existence, the video of him swinging in a golf club has never emerged. Probably because Tiger has kept it. He's very private. He tries to be as private as he possibly can. His boat's name privacy. He probably did not want those swings to get out there,

especially when he was really young. That might be the reason. regardless, this swing finally popped up on Saturday, I think is when it hit the internet. Everybody's tweeting about it, every outlet. I mean, you tweet about it, you get thousands of likes, you get retweets, why? That's not because we're all out here for clicks. That's because everyone genuinely was fascinated, thrilled, excited to see Charlie Woods' swing. I would like to say that I am out here for clicks.

I just don't generally, but I think this particular case, that wasn't the main motivation. Like, well, you're out here for clicks, but clicks are directly correlated to, like, people having a positive view. experience. Right. Right. Like, they're the same thing. If you put something out

that people are going to enjoy, you're going to get clicks. You think people are going to be interested in it. Right. That's directly correlated with clicks. I got a couple things on this. One, it was a little strange that the video

looked like it was being shot through the bushes. Yeah. That made me feel a little uncomfortable. Two, if it's out there, we're going to react to it. That's always been our policy. Like, it would have been strange

if we had, for whatever reason that people are coming up with if we had just ignored the Charlie Woods swing video. Crazy town. The reason we're talking about this in this tone now is because some people in golf media especially started to push back Sunday morning and calling it weird, creepy, saying that it was going to lead to the demise of Charlie Woods because people were

going to compare him to Tiger and all because we're tweeting the video being like Charlie was going to win 100 majors, which is preposterous because of many different things. One is a golf swing. We're not talking It's a nine second video Of a golf swing We're not talking about We didn't film

And then retweet And talk about Charlie Woods In the shower for 10 minutes That's a fucking golf swim I'm sitting here Just waiting To just release on these people Not in a sexual way

Just like mentally And verbally I could not And I didn't even engage in this Because you know what Sometimes you got to pick your battles I did not feel like Going after golf media

About a 10 year old kid That is hitting a golf ball the fact that these people think that it's like weird or creepy or like a crime to talk about Tiger Woods's son who is Tiger Woods is a god he is a he is a walking amongst human god right can we all agree on that? His son is also a god like he is part of this godlike person that we all idolize and like we love and we'll dapp him up after and we get in trouble. that too it's like everything about this guy is polarizing so jesus son of god correct this thing

is just something that's gonna happen and you know what you can't say like oh you're putting too much pressure on charlie by saying he's going to win a hundred majors and he's gonna be the next great tiger he's gonna be the next tiger that is just the cards and sorry charlie that your dad is tiger woods i mean you're always gonna have to deal with it your dad's not a postman not to like say that postmen are bad, but I'm just saying your dad's Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods. Your dad's Tiger Woods. And you're choosing to like the game of golf. You're playing in a golf tournament.

So when you take a swing, we are going to react to it. Now, Tiger Woods is standing behind Charlie Woods in this video amongst mere muggles around them. These people are wizards. They are godlike figures. We should be building statues about them. Pure bloods. Yeah. Yeah.

Tiger Woods and Charlie are purebloods. They are pure bloods and the muggles all around them. the seven-year-old kid looking at Charlie absolutely putting on a stripe show. One of the best swings I've ever seen in mine, Ty. I almost looked fake. It was so good. Dude, he hit like a pitching wedge and the thing fucking went to the moon. How about the fucking kid next to him with his bag on a push cart with an umbrella stick out of that?

Muggle. Bully Muggle. He's a muggle. Send that kid to a fucking different sport. Charlie, that kid should be curling or something. You want a headline? Charlie Woods is my second favorite athlete of all time right now.

It was some of the weirdest white knighting on 24. that I've ever seen, being like, you can't put up these clips from the people who are to blame for doing this all the time. We're not on a real level. It's a real level. He's splashing around in his pool in the backyard. It's a golf tournament. He's playing golf at a golf tournament with Tiger fucking Wood standing behind him. And his name is Charlie Wood.

Also, by the way, what is going on here? These are probably the same people who, when they see a Bronny James clip that they're just like, these are awesome. LeBron James' son, he's 15 years old. Every single clip of him goes mega viral And everybody's like, this is the coolest shit ever It's the same thing I don't understand what the difference is We should be able to say he's gonna be the next Tiger Woods

He's Tiger Woods his son He's by definition the next Tiger Woods It's crazy He has his blood and his DNA inside of his body And he's playing the same sport With Tiger Woods standing behind him carrying his call back His privacy wasn't His privacy wasn't

Violated Violated There were public photos being put out the tournament itself on their own handles shared the video. Like that video, people were sending me, I love this is like people were breaking it down like the JFK thing. There's fucking legit. People were sending me the screenshot from the satellite view of the range and where Charlie was on that range. And they're like, this video was taken from the porch of the clubhouse.

Right. It just happened to be there's like some fucking landscaping out there that's like between. It's not some creepy video like that it's not like they're alone in Tiger Woods back. and some paparazzi snuck in and put out a video of them in a private. They're at a public golf tournament. He's making a golf swing. And it's a positive thing. If he like,

if his swing was ugly or he shanked one and we were all roasting him on Twitter and one thing, I'd be mean. That would be like pretty fucked up. But everyone's just a public golf tournament, a golf swing with Tiger Woods, the most public figure ever standing right behind him, who is his father. And we're all quotes reading of being like, that kind of reminds of this is Tiger Woods.

Yeah, no shit. It is Tiger Woods. That is, he has every part of Tiger Woods that you can have. as part of your body and who you are as a human being, that's what he is. He's literally the offspring of Tiger War. Did this wizard go out there and shoot 36 that day?

Is that what I'm hearing? He shot 41 and finished 9. What the fuck was I reading on Twitter? You misread a lot. You're like getting your news from some like alternative. I was reading that he was like even par. Boy, oh boy, did I ruin my friend's group chat? I was like this nine-year-old shot an even part.

You hit the wrong. Yeah. and everything. Oh, boy. All I'm saying, like I said before, if you're going to, if the people who are going to freak out about this, I need to see them on the front lines whenever a Bronny James clip goes crazy. Because it's, these are public figures,

whether they, you know, it's just sort of like, since their fathers are super famous people, their lives are going to be a little more dissected than others. And how many times have we seen a video of a six-year-old stick handling through the whole hockey team and scoring a goal and celebrating them? Everybody retweets it goes crazy viral. That's not some creepy thing. And they're like, well, that's like,

but you don't know where the consent from the parents are any of that. You know who shot that video at this public hockey game? You know why it's fine? Everybody's speaking positively about it. It's in a public situation, a public game. And it's like not a creepy thing at all in the same way. It's a public golf tournament. Clearly, there are photos being shared.

The video was shared by the main account or whatever account runs this golf term. I'm sure it's not the biggest account in the world runs like this junior golf tournament. Golf channel Tiger Tracker himself was sharing photos on Instagram from Inside the clubhouse with like all the kids and tiger and Charlie hanging around like how can this video be creepy but that it's it just isn't nobody in the world thinks that your brain has to be broken to think that and we're all just sharing the video being like oh my god it's the next tiger because guess what it's literally by definition biologically the next tiger I'm with Frankie I didn't get involved in this either because I got involved I saw myself getting into an

argument potentially about an 11 10 year old golf swing I was like sometimes you just got to step back and you got to take a breather, maybe get some fresh air, drink a glass of water, and just like, you know, look at things and see how they really are. I didn't get involved with it, but I didn't, I was stunned, stunned when I saw people being like, this is bad, you shouldn't be doing this. I'm going to call out a Twitter account called Tiger Woods Legion. You can't call yourself that and put out fake fucking information and have me, I had people sending me this shit. You're just wrong and you're canceled. What they said? Frankie.

Charlie Woods goes nuclear day and shoots even par finishing second. in the 16-man field this morning. There's a picture from the website that said he shot 36. So, I mean, I just read it and I was like, holy shit. The guy shot a fucking 30. Did he end up correcting it or anything? Nothing. Because from everywhere I saw.

And to me, this is actually the creepier part. Apparently, you know, some of the same exact folks that were warning and white nighting against people talking about this were like, oh, we're calling him the next Tiger Woods. He actually finished ninth and shot 40s. That's way creepier. And that's way more detrimental, that you're like breaking down his actual finish. We're literally just going like, oh, what a beautiful swing. It looks like the next tiger.

And we're moving on. And this would literally be a 24-hour, maybe 48-hour social media cycle, and then it would be gone. And nobody would talk about it anymore. And the only thing that would have happened when we would have all been like, oh, that looks like the next tiger. What a beautiful swing Charlie's got. Good luck, little 10-year-old. We'll see you in the future when you're in college or whatever. But instead it gets hashed out.

Well, technically, he shot a 30. And he's a little across the line at the top. And he shot a 30. It's like, that's detrimental. That's weird. Like we're not doing that. We're literally just saying, great swing. That's cool to see.

How is it not cool to see? It's Tiger fucking Woods and son. Anyone legitimately and seriously breaking down his swing, they need to be put on some sort of list. If they're like critiquing the swing being like, oh, this is off, this is off. Those people need to be. You're a psychopath. Yeah.

You were a crazy person. But you know what, though, to play devil's advocate on it? Like, the kid's going to be a golfer. It's like his dad's Tiger Woods. I'm sorry. Like, I don't know what else to say. Like, he got. dealt a weird car where he's going to be in the limelight

like all these fucking athletes and celebrities' children have to deal with it. But they all that's exactly, they all do. They all have to deal with it. It is. And my point was not that bad for this like, my point was not that like, oh, that's not going to happen. What are you talking? My point was that us, this video coming out or not coming out or being shared by us or anybody else or not being shared isn't going to change Charlie's next 10 years at all. That's just what it's going to be. He's Tiger Woods's son. When Tiger Woods

his son tees it up in a golf tournament. Everyone's going to pay way more attention and break it down and critique the react. You're telling me fucking Tim Smith's son. We know what he shot in that tournament? No. We know what Charlie would shot. That's going to be like that forever because he's a muggle. And that's fine.

That's just how the world works. John Daly's son makes headlines all the time. When they play that father's son tournament, they are the talk of the town. And the clips are hilarious. He does. Yeah, they have an identical swing. It's hilarious. And it's awesome.

He dresses like a mini-me version of John Daly. and everybody has fun with it. For some reason, people are freaking out because there was a video of Tiger Woods' son swinging a golf club, and some of us were like, damn, that's pretty awesome. It was awesome. I'm so happy at TEPTA. I watch it again right now.

The smoothest swings I've ever seen. Oh, my. His, it was also cool, like, his waggle and his, like, tempo was, like, identical to Tiger. He's my second favorite athlete. And to Tommy Fleetwood. Everyone was making that. You see those? No.

People were calling it Tommy Fleetwood's Golf Swin. He kind of dips his head the same way. It was kind of... A ball has never left the club of anything that I have swung, like the ball left Charlie Woods's swing. Charlie Woods is better than we are at golf. Four? Sure.

He's 10, maybe nine. So Charlie Woods beats you right now. Yeah. Yeah. I had a couple people... No. No? No, I could take it.

Oh, you? Okay, yeah, yeah. I'll say this. If I play Charlie Woods and we tee off from the same T's and Tiger Woods is on his bag, he beats me. Yeah. I think... You know how fucking rattled it'd be?

I think Charlie Woods beats you. I think Charlie Woods beats you. He'll shoot like an 82. I don't think he's playing the same T's 10. You think they're playing from like 6,800 yards or whatever? Yeah, I think he could do it. I think if I have a bad day, he'd toast me. Yeah.

I agree with that. Did you see the way that swing? Yeah, good a short game probably is. It's probably laughable how good he is. If you really want me to break it down, eight other fucking nine-year-old beat him, so how good could he be? Are they all his age?

I don't know. I hope he's playing against. He could have been playing 17-year-old. Yeah, I hope he's playing like the freshman team at the local high school anyways great video go check it out if you haven't phenomenal swing guess what guys smelling good is important do you know that yeah i think it's a something that we all have to deal with every day you don't be wearing weird smells like um like old spice or like that stuff i feel like that's just a red flag to literally anyone in the world there's a fine line

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a bunch of rain. I was really tuned in because Kevin Kisner was in the final group. They did threesomes. It was Brendan Steele, Cameron Smith, and Kiz in the final group. It really came down to Brendan Steele.

you'll have the tournament locked up. He holes out for birdie on like the 11th hole, I think it was, from kind of a semi-plugged line in the bunker. You're thinking, that's it. I actually tweeted like, that's how you win golf tournament to take a three or four shot lead at the time. Then he made a couple of bogeys coming in,

ended up on the 18th hole, which this was a little bit unlucky, but on the 18th hole, they have to wait, I think, like, 16 or 17 minutes on the T because you had the group, it's a part five, dog leg left, everybody can reach it with a decent T shot.

You have one group on their, green they're taking forever then you have another group in the fairway waiting to hit their approach shots they have to wait and then you have the guys on the tea and they can't hit until obviously the guys in the fairway move along well Ryan Palmer hits his second shot from a fairway bunker with a three wood flares it right hits the top of a video board and goes lost ball he didn't know that at the time so he goes up looks for it for three minutes has to go all the way back while the guys are waiting in the fairway so they had to wait 15 plus minutes on the tea then they're standing in the fairway wait to hit their second shots.

Keep in mind, the whole tournament's finished, except for these guys have a couple chances. That's it, like Webb Simpson and a little bit of a chance, and Palmer had a chance, but now his ball went out of bounds, so no, he doesn't have a chance. They got to wait another, like, 16, 17 minutes to hit their approach shots. Cameron Smith hits a decent shot into the bunker. Brennan Steel hits a vicious duck hook.

The last one to hit his approach shot on the green. Kiz hits the green, great shot, kiss. Vicious duck hook left, hits like a tent, hospitality tent, goes way left. He actually ends up getting a miracle drop, which we'll talk about in a little bit. because it's a man-made obstruction, so he gets to take his drop. The point is he ends up making a part.

Cameron Smith makes a phenomenal up and down for the bunker, like a 10-footer. They go to a playoff hole, ends up winning in a playoff. Now, one thing I want to talk about, does you see where Brendan Steele's ball ended up on 18? It was so far left and, like, deep, that he legit got to take a drop, like, 50 yards short of where his ball ended up because you're not required to hit over tents. That is one of the worst rules in sports. If you're behind a tent, whatever this, that, you should have to hit over the tent. You hit it so far offline that the bumper, like the grandstands typically serve as like a bumper system. If you miss the bumper, like that's like missing a green side mound.

Like those mounds on a punch bowl type green. Like the ball will funnel back towards the hole. It's really fun. We talk about that. But if you miss those mounds, you have a way harder shot because you get punished. Yeah, because getting it close is impossible because it funnels away from you. So it's really hard. It should be the same deal with the tent.

Like, if you hit it so far wide that you missed the helping part of the 10, guess what? Play the balls at lies. Didn't you do that at 17 at Bethpage Black when we were playing? Yes. The grandstands were out. Yes. And you, like, bladed one out of the bunker. It went on to, like, the T-box of 18.

And then you just, like, hit one over the grandstand back onto the green. And it was, like, right next to the pin. Imagine if guys had a hit a shot like that at the end of a golf tournament. Be awesome. How awesome that would be? The crowd would be ooing and on like he wouldn't believe. Oh, man. Dude, instead.

Imagine if I went to you guys there. I was like, oh, I just get to walk, I don't know, 100 yards around these things to a point where I'm no closer to the hole. But like, there's not a tent in my way and hit at a wedge shot. That's what he got to do. It was bananas. And it's like this happens all the time. So it should be a universal rule. Tent.

You miss the tent. Far on the other side of it. You got to hit over the tent. That was like, even with you at Bethpage on the first hole, Frankie. We're like, you had to hit over those fucking grandstands on the night. It was the best shot ever hit. It was amazing. Worst drive, one of the than followed by the best shot you've ever had.

People don't talk about that part. No, they talk about my drive off that hole. Remember Speed did that at the open? It was a couple years ago where he was like an hour-long decision on where he's allowed to drop the ball because his next shot had to go over a tent. Yes, and he was way over by the range. It was crazy. It was like, it took forever. It took forever.

I was like, what is actually happening right now? That's, that's what we need is like craziness at the end, though. Like, that's what made it so cool is all the all the craziness involved. He was on the driving range. It was a total shit show. Like, when you miss that far, all the other rules should fall by the way. So you just have to play it as a lie.

Was it Romo that hit off the concession stand? Yeah, the program. That's awesome. Mickelson's done that a couple times. Yeah, Mickelson's done it. Like, I love all shit like that shit on purpose. Yeah, I would think so too. It's like, Phil, you can drop right here on the grass.

Like, I got this. No. Right. I want to be up with the people. Which is smart. Yeah, they run those clips back every year. Phil's a content guy. Remember when Phil hit a driver out of a bush?

Yeah. Yeah, and then he responded to us with all the other. Yeah. I still think that was the correct club choice. I think it was, too. It just makes so much more sense. He made a good explanation for it too. Yeah, you just get it going through there.

That's going to slice right through, and the ball's going to pop out. When he said, when he tweeted about it, I was like, that makes so much sense that he just hit that. How about these guys hitting fucking three-woods out of fairway bunkers? Can you imagine trying that? I can't hit a three-wood off the ground. No.

What percentage of the time you think you, like, top a three-wood off the graph? I never try. I haven't tried to hit a three wood Off a way off a fairway? I haven't tried to hit a three wood off a fairway in two or three years Trent Daddy does it all time Yeah well actually I haven't been doing as much now the irons are working But before that I did it all the time I'd say I mean I would top it

To do what situation would I need a three wood Off a fairway You're like 250 out in the middle of fairway Yeah it's like it's such a hard shot to try and make it I'd rather just hit a four iron and then just like get up there Or like a hybrid It's just for me like There's only like one or two scenarios where I would do it

And even if I did it It's such a risk to do it to try and reach in two. Like, I'm not trying to win a tournament. I'm just trying to keep the ball in play. That, like, I would never try and, like, go that far for a 250 shot. I'll be honest, it's very smart. I think that's actually very logically sound.

Astronomically impossible for me to hit it onto a green. So why even try? Does it part of you want to have that eagle? Like, you fucking flush a three would ride at the fly. Do I do that with other clubs? I did that. I did that at Aaron Hills. I did Aaron Hills and it felt like the greatest drug I've ever taken.

I don't remember how far it was in that video that we just released of us. in Tobacco Road where I hit the greening too But I remember that was a thrilling feeling I had like a four iron in my hand And I absolutely fucking went like smash bash on this thing Like it was I turned on an inside fastball And just watched that thing

Curl around the foul pole Yeah but the whole point of this is like You're too far for four so what are you gonna hit? No yeah no I get what you're saying It's just I think too fit I think like I think the length of a three wood off the deck is just such a preposterous length to ever even attempt it that my um you'd rather just advance level would be like 5% i think that's incredibly uh like a mature way to approach yeah i think that's

the correct way to approach yeah i just think a lot of people get sucked in by like i mean i'm really jealous of people that can go up there and rip a threewood like me too you know just like it's basically another drive it's just here we go dude like when we're we're right when we're except no tea when we were watching the final of capelua and they just kept hitting three wood where you have to carry this ravine. I kept thinking like, what are they doing? Like this is, you're going to lose the tournament here. And then JT did.

Like the first one was like, well, of course you duck hooked it into the show. Like that's a three one off the ground. So hard. Who can do that? No, we can do that off a tee. I can do it off a tee. I can do it well. You do it well. For some reason, I can't hit my iron that well or at least I used to.

No, I can't. You have this huge head of a club and you have to perfectly have it hit the ball on the ground at the same time, but you can't hit like an iron which is made for that. Iron is made for it Sort of like you with the butter knives When I used to look at my irons I would feel like I was looking at a shovel Because it was like I'm going to dig a hole in the ground

With a three wood I can just You just got to swipe it off the ground That feels much easier to me But you know Now the irons are working It was like 78 degrees this weekend Did you guys go? No I had a

Alumni Hockey thing all day Saturday And then yesterday I was watching sports Yeah I didn't leave my apartment I also played so much golf and like the trip that we were on with Australia and all this stuff like I'm not that hungry to play golf right just came out of nowhere

like what am I going to get organized I'm the hottest day ever yeah it was sweating walking down the I didn't know who I was going to play with what's open what is nice so I didn't know the weather out there was crazy windy which is very fun to watch the Thursday

Friday rounds were so windy that you saw guys post in bad numbers Justin Thomas missed the cut so my cool streak we were talking about me picking the winner I picked JT again to win and he missed a cut. Picked him again. That's risky.

I mean, he's playing, you with playing with a little well. If you think that, like, and last time he won in Cabalua, he won again the next week at Sony. He shot 59. So I figured that. Did you have anybody else up in your mind that you wish you would pick? Well, I took my dark horse was Abraham Answer, who did make the cut. And then I threw some money on Kiz. He was like 50 to 1 or something.

I threw some money on Kiz. So I actually could have won some decent cash if Kiz would have closed, but he didn't. Kisner, though, great showing in Hawaii. like his made $405,000 over $405,000 in two weeks. Pretty good. Not a bad fucking payday, man. On a fucking vacation to Hawaii. I am withdrawing my request for $1,000.

Yeah, because I feel bad. I'm starting to feel bad because somebody tweeted about how much money kids made. It might have been you, actually, Riggs. And people under it are like, well, then that'll be nothing. Break a little bit off of that for Trent. I feel bad. I feel like kids is going to start seeing those. And I feel bad about that.

to see it. No, but it's getting to the point where I feel bad. It's a little weird. Only because he hasn't done it. Right. If he was going to do it, I would have been happy with him doing it like a week after we talked about it. Now, I got to put an end to it. I got to put a stop to it. People just tweeting it kids being like, give Trent $1,000. I can't. That's hilarious. I can't have that. People will probably still do it, but if I want it on record, give $1,000 right now. Why? People will probably still do it, but I want it on record that I have withdrawn my request. It's a little bit less like, It's not desirable to have your brand be like kids, you need to pay $10,000.

That's what I'm saying. You knew that going in, though. No, I was, if he had Venmoed me $1,000 a couple days after we had talked about it, that would have been funny and it would have been the end of the saga. Now it's people are just adding kids being like, you should give $10,000. I have, I am officially withdrawing. I wish I had so much money. I walked around Soho yesterday and those fucking stores, man, you walk around those places.

You're looking in and out. Like you're like, oh, that looks cool. That, like, shirt looks cool. Let me go look at that. Fucking regular, like, bomber jacket. I'm like, this thing can't be more than what, like $120. I looked at it, $680. I literally looked at it.

I went, and put it back. They're like, is there something wrong, sir? I'm like, everything about your life is wrong. And I walked out. Like, there's just, I want to set the whole place on fire. Yeah. You can't walk down that street, like, Spring Street, without just laughing. I'm feeling horrible about yourself?

I wish I just had money just, just like, walk. in and just like have so many bags over my shoulder that each finger's holding a bag and I have people just running around with me be like and I just like I have really long hair and you got like a little doggy that you yes give a long that you give bottled water to so I can like walk out of the store and just like like like Kylo Wren or something yeah ton of fucking hair I saw the rise of skywalkers this one of that I saw it by myself oh I think I'm gonna go by myself you're pretty big star wars guy no it's like iMacs and it was a fucking it was a thrilling watch. You know my thing is once I miss

the initial wave, it's usually hard for me to. Yeah. Like I was, we were out of town or whatever. We were out of the country for those couple weeks when it came out. And by the time I got back, it felt like it was just like, I missed it. I don't know if I can get in trouble for saying I watched it on a bootlegs. So I'm just going to say I watched it out of the theater. Oh, you didn't go to the theater? Wow. I went to the theater. You watched it on Reddit or something? No, I went to Kipps Bay, AMC.

I went to the theater. How'd you watch it? Would you download like a, what's those fucking? I took an Uber. I took an Uber to 31st Street and I got out. And I got out. I got some malware device or something. I said, thank you. I'm going to buy some popcorn. You're just naming what I did. I went into the theater.

I sat down. I was in there for a couple hours. I left and I went home. Doesn't a part of it take away that you're fucking like watching on your tiny little laptop instead of at a main theater? I don't know who you're talking to because that wasn't me. And no, you put you drinking like,

you're an HTML for. You know all those. Theoretically you do an HTML for your laptop to your TV. One of those things gets that thing on the TV. You got, uh, kill yourself. Yeah. Hey, Trent,

would you rather have a, have a thousand dollars right now or or or have to go a month without eating sour patch kids i i couldn't go two days without eating sour patch kids are you kidding me are you kidding me and i ate a couple at that amc kips bay beautiful trent has a massive a massive sugar addiction crippling sugar addiction what something that something that's something we need to have an intervention i just eat too much sugar we care every night pretty we care we care about you man well like i was telling you in the office earlier i think if i stopped eating sugar my internal organs would fall apart.

I think they're now... My system has been reset to run on sugar. So if I now tried to rid sugar for my life, the mechanism would collapse. You finish in one bag, two bags? How many bags are you talking? What else are you going to talk about about golf? What's the next topic?

How many bags a night are we crushing? No, it's not. I would say if I go deep, I'll eat a bag. I'm never getting two bags. But one bag of Sourbatch kids, I won't even look at the... the label because I'm so afraid of how much sugar is in there. When was the last time we went to a dentist?

Oh, boy. Dude, Trent said it? I'm not saying. Right now, I'm no longer taking questions. This press conference has ended. Trent said he's not going to go get physical because he just doesn't want to be told. He can't leave the room.

I am convinced. I am convinced that if I go and get a a physical, the doctor will come in, look at a chart and tell me, you can't leave. You can't. And I will run out of that. I will, I am more than happy to just die naturally instead of having to go. Die naturally. I got some bad news.

Yep. I'm out of here. See you. I'll die naturally at 32 if I don't have to go in there and be looked at the face and say, you can't leave here. But what, Trent, about the theory then instead of dying naturally at 32, you're going to die naturally at like 70, but you're going to be horribly sick for the last. like 25 because you didn't go see a physical you know you didn't go get yourself

take care. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying if I don't go see, uh, and get a physical, go see a doctor, then I think the chances are that I would die naturally of whatever horrible thing is eating at my inside at 32. And if I go, then they might just tell me, hey, your things are so bad that you're just going to just going to die at 32. I'd rather just not know.

No, I think what's going to happen is you're just going to have this horrible existence because you're going to, body's going to deteriorate from your massive sugar addiction. And it's really going to cause you a lot of. problems. I'm worried about you. Funny stuff, man. I got to kick the sugar. I got to somehow kick the sugar. Everything else is, nothing else, nothing else moves the needle for me.

Trent sitting at home putting sugar on a fucking mirror. Fucking just putting sugar on a mirror and just like just all in and around his fucking his lips and his gung. The real problem is I live on top of a convenience store. So everyone does. It's not like, well, yeah, true. The whole city does. But it's like, and it's, you know what the thing about?

is it's super legal, so it's super easy to get it. It's legal. It's not like, it's not like crack or cocaine where it's like, I got to go to a guy. It's like, they walk into Dwayne Reed, and they are happy to see me. I can take whatever you want if you just have like $25. I walked to, I went to my desk the other day and I opened up my bag and I had just a bag of Sour Patch kids in them. Remember this? Yeah.

And I just opened it up and looked at Trent, not thinking anything. And he goes, what the fuck he's doing right now? It was like, it was literally like, uh, drinking a beer in front of an alcoholic. Like, what are you fucking doing right now? I was like, I don't know. I'm eating sour patch kids. I think we had just discussed, uh, for the first time, like crippling sugar addiction. And you just whipped out the bag.

You know, everybody has their things, you know? Oh, man. So my, my dad is a dentist. The only thing he ever said to me, he's always pretty losing. I really gave a shit. The only thing he ever said was like, stay away from sugar. It'll rot your teeth. You watch these documentaries, too, like these food documentaries,

where they'll be like the endorphins that are released when you eat sugar if you like are addicted to it is the same as heroin. It's like it's the same thing. It's just like people just, we just haven't labeled it as this horrible thing even though 90% of the country is obese and we're just like, well, but if you like Sour Patch Kids, go get it. And I do. I love Sour Patch Kids. I'm not trying to solve any problems in here. I just want everyone to know that I love Sour Patch Kids and that's not stopping anytime soon. We're going to take the Sour Patch Kids away from me.

You can be sitting in a room with a fucking hoodie on just shivering. Just sitting in a corner. It's like that scene from Walk the Line where they like go out to a cabin and Johnny Cash. Like they won't give him his, I don't know what, I don't even remember what he was addicted to. That's going to be me because I just, you know, sour patch kids are delicious. Fucking funny, man. You know, what's interesting is they say golf is 90% mental, which means that even the smallest issue can have a massive impact on your scorecard. The reason we're talking about this is because CBD PM blends 500 milligrams of high quality CBD.

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Put it in the kitty Yeah I was reading a quote Sorry I don't care It doesn't matter You gotta censor yourself Yeah I was reading a quote from Roy It doesn't matter

Really? Yeah Really You said if it was in like an ad read I saw somebody tweeted me They said the word They said she said you weren't It was you were Somebody tweeted me how

Dramatically Better the show is been without the U word. Like dramatically they said, which is good, you know, we take feedback. I've wiped it from my met, like my brain. Yeah, I never say it. It is. It's very surprising

how little I've heard it since. Dude, when I hear it said in like regular conversation, I'm like, well, I like point at them. My dad said it the other day, like something about it. I'm like, well, you just can't say that word. Yeah. It's, I mean, we take feedback for the show implemented and it becomes a better show. I should have said you word, fine. I'll pay the kitty.

Roy went on to say, I think for certain courses. Why not? I can fight it, I can hit it low, I can fight it, I can hit it low, I can hit it high. It's like a three iron that's as easy to hit as a seven iron. Now, I've never been a hybrid guy ever, only because Tiger Woods doesn't use hybrins. I've said that before. The only reason I don't use hybrid? Tiger Woods doesn't use hybrid.

That's laughable, though. Tiger Woods has a lot of things that you can't do. Yeah. Fair. But like, you don't model anybody. We all try to do what Tiger Woods does. I know, but like, boy, boy. But not to a real extent.

Like, I could say like, boy, I want to play like Tiger Woods, but nothing about my golf game is intentionally working towards that. I know you do something with your putter too. Mine is my putter grip. Yeah. I do my putter grip. And we've talked about it. Only because there's no chance you're doing what he's doing.

Right. It's not having the same effect. He's doing it for a reason. You're just trying to look like him. Right. There's a huge difference. He feels something when he does it. Like there's a reason he does it.

You're just like, oh, he does this. so I'm going to do that. That's right. Yeah. I have said on this very show that at one point, I wish all of my irons were hybrids because they're just so much easier. I think like Cleveland once came out with a set where it's just like all hybrids. Oh, they make those.

Yeah. We should get you yourself. No, but now that my game is, pitching wedge like a hybrid. Now that my game has improved because of the Kisner tip, I don't need them. But at one point, I was so scared of my irons that I would have gladly had them all be hybrids. For sure.

You a hybrid guy, Frankie? Yeah. I have a three hybrid. You like it? I like it much better than three irons. Yeah. I smoked a ball with it. There's nothing better than crushing a hybrid.

It feels so good. I would assume it feels the same way as the three wood. I crush a hybrid in the Tobacco Road video getting over that goddamn crater of a bunker. Yeah, you did with a huge celebration. I also think you can like shape hybrids too. Like I'm able to like, like I put like hooks and stuff on my hybrid. I don't know why. My cut transfers over to my hybrids.

Yeah. Like little baby cut. It definitely is so hard. It's. Yeah. I love it. Well, Rory apparently is all in now too. Yeah.

He's picking up what you guys are putting down. I don't know. I don't know how people feel about hybrids. I've always thought there's a little bit of a, for whatever reason, for some people, there's a stigma about it. I guess it doesn't make much sense. There is for sure a stigma, no doubt. Yeah, it's just, you know, I don't care. Imagine having a stigma about a golf club.

Couldn't be me. Like people are like, oh, like look down upon a golf club. It's a hybrid. I'm okay with people using a square strike. Whatever help you. Me too. you know just use whatever you can do to get the ball in the hole exactly look it makes a lot of sense when we talk about it

I just it just you want to hear you want to be Tiger Woods and also like when Tiger pulls like a fucking two iron off the T and like hits the stinger with like a divot that ain't a fucking hybrid shy you can't deal out of a hybrid no but also like if someone like if I'm also not gonna hit a two ironed singer yeah he's Tiger Woods right he's like my buddy pulled out of two high two iron and tried to hit a stinger and like just didn't do it and like I'd laugh at them.

Like what are you doing out here? That's like who do you think you are? That's what I would say. That'd be like if he walked out in like a red shirt and black pants. What are you doing? That's, you're not him. That's a little different because it's like, I think it's worse. Part of you thinks that you can like hit a golf shot,

even if it's like one out of 150 times. Whereas like the other one is like you're not really going to like look like to heroin. It's like you're just not going to. You just can't do it. That's fair. Yeah. I think it's the same. So do I.

Maybe I'll become a hybrid guy now. I just don't, I think the hybrids have been around for long enough and like enough pros use them and shit like to the point where it's like, I wouldn't even think twice about having a hybrid. That's why I wouldn't even think twice. I mean, title is like when we did like a whole thing. They just like they gave me a hybrid. Like that was like just part of my clothes. It's one of the one of the more comfortable clubs that I have in the bag that I can pull out and I know I'm going to make contact with it. That's all I care about.

That's good out of the rough. Yeah, it is. It's a rescue club. He called it the U word. It's a rescue club. All right. We are done here. We're going to go to Krista Marco.

You guys ready for that? Yep. Yeah, I got to go back and finish up this pizza review. We did a wild pizza review on Saturday. McConaughey. You were there filming that? Yep. Matthew, I missed the Islander Bruins game.

How was it being there filming that thing? It was crazy, man. Like first Henry Golding got there. And I'm a huge Henry Gold. Like, I think Henry Golding is. Crazy Rich Asians is like, I think that movie is just one of the more watchable movies I've seen in the last 10 years. Like I can just keep rewatching it. Rewatch, rewatch, rewatch.

Anytime I'm playing, I'll watch Crazy Rich Asians. He was awesome, huge Marshall fan, knew everything about everything. He's like, hey, how about that Brandon Walker guy that got shoved by Devlin or whatever? Like, he knew the whole story. Then Charlie, Hunnam. Hunham came. Boy, was that an experience. Jack's Teller, that's my guy.

I think Sons of Anarchy is one of the most underrated shows. I know a lot of people talk about it was pretty popular when it was on but it is right up there with some of the best shows It doesn't get enough talk I agree He was he was astonishingly good looking Then Hugh Grant came

He was just lost He don't know Hugh Grant was just like not in the same stratosphere As these guys like he's a little older You know what I mean He wasn't like into the sports They were doing a lot of guys talking guy talk Yeah

Hugh Grant was just staying there Like what the fuck we're doing here But then Matthew McConaughey showed up Everyone else showed up in like Cadillacs and escalades, he showed up in a Lincoln town car. I was like, he's just doing the fucking thing. He's doing it. He's doing his thing.

That's what you, that's him. That's his thing. That's what he does. He did some things in this piece of view that you'll see when we posted today, so it's actually yesterday. The reviews already been out. Most of you probably already seen it. He did some things in this review that just make you go like, holy shit, this guy's cool.

Did this thing with his hands at the end where he just looks in the camera and just smacks his hands. But not together. You can't see Frankie. He's using his right hand to smack the back of his left hand. Yeah, he's used. Yeah, he's using like, yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, he's using his right palm to smack the top of his left hand while he stares at the camera.

It was fucking crazy, man. Then, like, he did something where Dave's like, he called him Matt. He goes, calling McConaughey. And Dave's like, well, Matthew. He's like, calling McConaughey. And he's like, why aren't you calling McGahnay? He's like, he's like, I just can't pronounce your name. Because he, Dave says like McGonagall or something.

Yeah. And so he goes, well, he's like, uh, my God. Madonna has a way, McCona Hay. And Dave's like, Madonna finds a way, McCona Hay. And then like, McCona Hay looks at him and just winks at him. He just, you got it. Come on. And it was nuts.

The whole place melted. That's cool. That's cool. Very much a must watch. One of the coolest guys who ever walked the face of the yard. Okay. Krista Marco is up next. It's a very good interview, so enjoy this one.

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in his career. You've seen him on Golf Channel and now on the Champions Tour playing. Chris DeMarco, welcome to the show, my friend. It's good to be on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, we really appreciate it. So what, you know, I always like to just start.

What are you up to today? What are we, you know, working on? What are we doing? What are you up to this week? What's going on in the life of Krista Marco? Yeah, about a year and a half ago, we made a move out to Denver. So I'm actually down in Tampa right now with my son, Christian, who's also a professional golfer. I've got to get some reps in before the champion store starts out in Morocco there early February.

I haven't played around the golf since mid-November, so I need to get on the golf course and practice a little bit. I was going to say Denver, my parents have a place out in Boulder. I was going to say Denver, you're not getting a lot of swings in this time of here. No. You know, we remember that, of course, and I was able to get out and hit some balls, but it's not the same as being a nice warm weather. It's beautiful down here in Tampa right now. It's probably about 80 degrees and sweat. I haven't seen sweat in about two months, so it's kind of nice.

So why Denver? You guys big skiers or something? So our daughter, our mental daughter, goes to Boulder, and we were out there driving, and the timing was perfect in my life. I was turning 50. My son had Christian had graduated. Our daughter was going to Boulder, and our youngest was starting high school. So the move, we just kind of looked at each other and went, let's do it right now. For a perfect opportunity, and we took advantage of it.

I love it. Talk to me a little bit about that turning 50. Obviously in golf, professional golf, that's when you become eligible for the champions tour. So what's kind of what's that whole process like figuring out, you know, like a how are you going to manage and jump into kind of this like second chance or whatever you want to call it of playing professionally yeah you know it is it is an unbelievable deal what what the pGA tour champions actually affords us it's um it's kind of a bonus for you know the all the good years you had on tour um you know it for me it's great everybody out there it's the same

guys that i grew up playing with there's such a good fraternity out there and camaraderie um but don't make no mistake about it those guys are good and i mean i got my bank brains beat in for a good, you know, six, eight months before I finally clicked and got comfortable out there again, and had a good second half of the year. But, you know, those guys are good, man, they're grinding, they're playing their golf. I mean, you look at Bernard Langer. I mean, 62 years old, the guy's a specimen still, and he's the first one on the course on Monday morning, and he's the last one to leave on Sunday. So, you know, it is big business out there. It's fun, though, that's the thing about it. It's big business, but it's fun. You know,

guys, it's not so cut-throat as the PGA Tours right now. You know, I tell people all the time, want to see some of the greatest players ever go out and watch. Not only that, you can stand a foot from them and have conversations with them on the T. It's so, there's so much camaraderie out there and so much acceptance. The players love the fans, and it is just a lot of fun. Yeah, Bernard Longer, he's a machine. We talk about him a lot, that guy, he is just as much of a machine, I feel like, as has ever existed in golf. The fact that he's still doing it, how does he still going?

You know, he obviously takes care of his body, eats right. You know, I will see him out at the pro-end dinners. You know, either have a beer or me. He might have a glass of wine, but, you know, that's about it. You know, he's all business. And, you know, him and his caddy, Terry, they map the courses. And I played with him at the British Open this year, this past year. And I know now why he is so good.

I mean, he had every iron shot right where he's looking. The only thing he could ever mess up is distances because he gets everything where he's looking. It is, he is truly a machine. It must be nice. So I'm curious how much you stay plugged into everything. I mean, I know you've obviously done some media and TV stuff. How plugged in are you to the week-to-week happenings on tour? Yeah, you know, I mean, obviously, you know, being in the golf community,

I try to keep up on just about everything. You know, when we're playing and we're on full schedule, sometimes it's hard to keep up with the PGA tour. But, you know, obviously, you know, being at home, and actually for the first time of my life, I did a fantasy golf thing with these buddies of mine up at Cherry Hills. and it was pretty interesting. You get to, you know, you did a lot of research on a lot of different players.

You know, it's funny. The couple times I do go out on tour every year, there's 30, 40 faces I wouldn't even put it, could be able to put a name with. It's changed so much out there. So many great players. It's hilarious being in the fantasy golf because you'll have, you know, you'll have six or eight guys or whatever it is that all of a sudden you know way more about than anyone else in the world that follows golf.

You're like, tell it everybody the stats, this guy. putting, people look at you, like, how fuck do you know that about these obscure players? It is so much bullshit, but it's fun. It really is fun, especially on, you know, Sundays when you're checking it out. It's pretty cool. So did you catch any of the Sony Open finish last night? You know, I watched a little bit, and again, going back to Fantasy, I had actually a good family friend, Sam Ryder, and he was playing great after two days, and then obviously

I had Keegan Bradley also, so we were watching him. But, yeah, it was pretty interesting to see Cameron Smith come back and win that golf tournament. You know, he was, obviously, he's a young kid. Obviously, what's so great with what's going on with Australia. He wins that tournament. He donates all that to the relief fund out there for the fire. So it actually was almost a God thing there. It was pretty cool to watch.

Yeah, it was. It's a great cause, and it does kind of feel like that was just supposed to happen with everything that's going on over there. Curious, your thoughts. I mean, slow play over the last year or so has gotten a ton of attention in the media around golf. yesterday I think it took them 30, 40 minutes, the final group to play the last hole. Just curious your thoughts in general on slow play. How much has it been an issue, you know, your entire career and just kind of your general thoughts on slow play out there?

It sucks. It is the worst. And, you know, the people that are slow know that they're slow. And, you know, they just, they know how to get around it. They know what to do. You know, they can pick up another piece of grass and they get a new time. It's just, especially with the caddies now and how much information they're given. to you. I mean, you play golf your whole life. I mean, it's 155 yards. It's either an

iron or seven iron, depending on where the pin is, what the wind's doing. Get your shot, picket, and let's go. If you're a little bit deliberate while you're over the ball, I can give you that, but be ready to play. I think that's the most important thing. I tell people all the time, you know, you can be a shitty golfer, but if you're fast and shitty, I'll play with you every day of the week. If you're slow and shitty, you won't ever see me again. You can't be both, so you need to be a, to me fast golfers is the way it should be. I mean, obviously, you know, We're playing for a lot of money out there, so you have to, you know, at least think through the shot you're hitting. But we've all done it so long.

You know what you know what to do. Just get off it and play the shot. There's too much deliberation going on. Right. And it's, it's, what's crazy is if it was only, if the slowest players, the people that were taking the longest were always rising to the top, okay, it would be one thing. But when you've got the Brooks Kepka's and Roar, these guys play very quickly and they're the best players in the world. So clearly the answer is not, like, if you take longer, like, you're, like, you, you'd be one. Like you said, you've got to hit so many shots.

You know your yardage is inside and out. You know how the wind's going to affect it within a certain margin of air. That's it. You make the decision and you hit the shot. So I guess like what can the tour do? How can you enforce it? How can you change things so that slow play isn't such an issue out there? You know, I love the European tour did it a couple years ago.

They put a shock lock out there. And I know that sounds foolish for golf. But I love it. I think it's fantastic because you know what? It does hold the people accountable for being slow. I mean, what J.B. Holmes did in San Diego last year, I think it was. He was in that fairway for four and a half minutes, you know, and the guy he's playing with is trying to win the golf tournament.

You know, slow play doesn't realize how much it affects your playing partners. I'm a pretty quick player, and it affects me when I play with a slow guy, because now it pulls me out of my element. And also, because I don't want our group to get behind and maybe get time, I've almost played a little quicker to make up for his slowness, and it takes me out of my element. So, you know, it is truly a disrespectful thing for any slow player to be that slow and not care about it for sure. I mean, there's a couple guys that have made efforts and said, you know, I'm going to try to do this.

I know Ben Crane tried and he actually got a little bit quicker. But slow play is, you know, to me it's breaking the rules of golf. I mean, I think you should keep up with what the allotted time is. And it is true exactly what you're saying. That slow play affects probably the least it affects is the viewer because to us they can just cut to another person. and we didn't even notice when you're watching on TV. It affects your playing partners in a really negative way. So what kind of things,

or anything you would try to do? If you know you're going up with the J.B. Holmes of your time and you're going to be waiting, it's going to be long. Waiting sucks. What could you do? Like, what can you try to implement to make sure you have the least negative effect on your game playing with somebody super slow? Yeah, I mean, you know, if I was a tour,

there's two things I would try to do. There's one is, you know, obviously money is not going to matter to these guys. I mean, you know, you can find them five grand or, you know, seven grand or whatever it's going to be. It's nothing in the whole scheme of how much money they're making out there. So I think it needs to be penalty shot. I don't think there should be a warning. I think, you know what, if your group's behind and you have a bad time and the officials falling yet, boom, give a penalty. You get a stroke penalty, maybe two, whatever it might be.

You get more than two in a week. You maybe get qualified. And then the other thing I would do is there's categories on the PGA door. So if you win within two years, when you tee off on Thursday, Friday, you play with those other winners. And if you've kept your card top 125, then you play in a category that's with the other guys in that category. And then there's the last category, which is usually rookies and Monday qualifiers and sponsors exemption. And they usually play the last couple groups of each side. So both days you're bringing in the pins, I think that if you're a

slow player, you lose your status and you go directly to the back of the last tee time and just go with it from there. I think that would maybe make guys speed up. If you're going to lose your category and you're not going to get to play with Brooks Kepkin and Dustin Johnson you're going to have to play with a Monday qualifier and another Monday qualifier. That might make you want to get a little bit faster on a golf course. I've never even thought of that. That's genius. Just put them,

yeah, pair them together, put them at the end so that they're not slowing everybody up, put the faster players together, and then you guys just get on and get the hell out of there. Exactly. That'll make me speed up. I can promise you that if I have to play with slow players. Okay, so let's back up a week. Last week, also in Hawaii at Kappalua. Patrick Reed was in the playoff with Justin Thomas and Zander Shoffley.

you had a tweet that has since been deleted, but clearly you made your opinions known on Patrick Reed and the whole situation. You know, let's just start with what happened at The Hero. You know, what are your thoughts in general and sort of your reaction to exactly what we saw in that camera and the way everything's been handled from Patrick Reed at the Hero? Yeah, you know, I mean, I took it down because I didn't like that I used the word Dick.

I think I would have rather said, is there a bigger Richard in the world? I think that would have probably been better. you know, rather than the actual word itself. But everything else, I don't retract at all. I mean, as another player, and I think that the fact that really bothered me the most was that there was no contrition with it, it was basically just, you know, it was a bad camera angle.

I mean, if you watch it, if you're a professional golfer, one, you can feel it. If you're any golfer, you can feel the sand as you take your thing, your back, your backstores, not once, but twice. And then if you look down, you can also tell that, you know what, the line is completely, or the lie is completely different now. Now I can see the back of the ball. It's a different thing.

And then for him to come out and just say, basically, it was a bad camera angle. You know, I don't buy that one bit. I mean, I think that he got caught on camera cheating. And I think that he's, he has to, you know, he's doubled down and he has to stay on it. He could have went into that trailer, saw the video, and came out and went, wow, I did not realize I did that. That was not my intention. And it would have gone away. And he could have went, you know what, slugger, if you want to do that,

disqualified me, I get it. And if he would have said no, two-shot penalty, and everything would have gone away if he would have done that. And then when I was sitting there on Sunday night after he lost the playoff to Justin Thomas, I'm just sitting there and I'm watching this guy and he's making excuses for, you know, though the wind was Gus, he shot 60, he shot 700 the last day. So it's not like he played bad. And let me put one other thing out. This guy is a great player. He is a talent that is amazing. I mean, person-wise, not my favorite guy in world, obviously. So when he's given Justin Thomas no, you know, hey, great tournament, Justin, hey, this, you know, what a great win for Justin. It just bothered me because I've been so fortunate

in this game of golf to be on the PGA tour and the PGA Tour champions and the Cornsbury for 20 plus years. And what it's afforded me, how blessed I am and honored I am to be a PGA tour member. And then to see this guy blatantly disrespect the game that much, it really pissed me off. And I was I was pissed that night when I wrote that text and you know You don't realize how good you got life and then you still have to make it miserable Not only for you but for everybody else. It just it just bothers me and it being a 51 year old guy looking down at a 28 or 27 year old kid You know what maybe my harsh words maybe we'll will kick him in the ass and point him in the right direction a little bit Yeah, and it's you know it's it's funny because we you know we were talking about we actually went through the process you were just describing on this show

last week where we had it had been a month or so removed from the incident and we watched it back again in real time because you even you hear Patrick Reed's sort of reaction to it and his description of it and if there was a different camera angle in it it does seep into your brain a little bit and golf we usually give the player the benefit of the doubt it's a game of honor and integrity and intention and all that and so hadn't watched it in like a month and we pulled it back and we're like no no no other camera angle that which i mean it's it's as blatant there's just no other way to describe it as like you know what you're doing you know what's happening and so the way that it has all unfolded is it's very surprising it's very unique you don't get that a lot in the world of golf

and you know i think he a little bit i think he rallies around it i think he kind of enjoys that a little bit i think that kind of the hotter things get the the more he becomes kind of introverted it's me versus the world and somehow is able to fuel that into it whatever the hell it is it's very off putting to a lot of people, and it makes me then want to bring up the question. There's a lot of rumors. There's always rumors that those of us here, we're not out on tour, that, you know, there are people known on tour who are a little loose with the rules or who might cheat here and there.

So I just wanted to ask you from your playing days and you don't have the name and any names, but is that true that there are known players out there who are loose with the rules? Yeah, there's a couple that had some bad, certainly, you know, bad reputation. for doing a few loose things on tour. You know, and, you know, this isn't the first time that just happened to Patrick Reed. I mean, his college teammates said it happened to him. It happened a couple of years ago in another tournament. And, you know, going back to what you said, him against the world,

I don't know why you want to live life like that. I mean, I know that he probably, you know, get some strength from that now, but at some point that's going to get exhausting. You know, being called a cheater, I mean, can you imagine what it's going to be like at Phoenix this year? I can't even imagine what that's going to be like. you know, for him to be able to take that in and then still perform under that, I take my hat off to that because I don't want people cheering for me.

I don't want people cheering against me. It's a hard enough game when you're doing that. But when you're having people cheering against you, I mean, I guess it's, you know, what, I'm going to show you one of these things. But after a while, that's going to get old. That's going to get tired. And, you know, it just is. And, you know, I don't know if, you know, maybe he calls somebody and, you know,

and has somebody maybe figure out a way to market this to where he could be, you know, kind of get some contrition in them and get back into good graces. But this is going to get a lot work before it's better for sure. Yeah, and it's, you know, his, I think it already is showing that it's taken a toll because the incident with, with his caddy, Castler-Carrant, who we've developed a relationship with and we've chatted through things with for sure. But I think clearly, I mean, when you have an incident like that where somebody's legit physically reacting, it's clearly going to take a toll.

And so you're right. We would never want to live our lives that way. It is just a peculiar case where from Rider Cubs to the many different incidents that he's had, the stories from college all the way till this, it's so peculiar. But it also, I mean, it drives these headlines and it just becomes a dominant storyline in golf that nobody can avoid. I mean, you almost like you said, you're sitting there, you're like, I have to fucking tweet out stuff. I'm getting so riled up about all this. It's unlike anyone else in golf.

Yeah. And, you know, it's when he was winning matches and he was doing good things and he was, I loved him in the Ryder Cup and the President's Cup. I thought he was great how he'd just go right at the fan, can he do it all? But now when you don't have the American fans on your side either, for the most part, you know, it's going to be tough. I mean, you know, he does go in there with a bulldog attitude and, you know, plays with a lot of passion. I play with a lot of passion, so I love that about him. But you can also be a nice guy about it. You know what, I've always said that, you know what, it's hard work to be an asshole,

and it's really easy to be a nice guy, and it just seems like he works really hard. I agree with that. I think at some point we're going to see some sort of change, whether it's driven by a PR company or somebody who deals with, you know, public image management or whatever. I think we're going to see some sort of change, because, like you said, you can't go on like that forever. It's got to be incredibly exhausting. At some point, it's going to seep into every part of your life, even gone. having said all that, he's an incredible talent.

For us, we say he drives a lot of content. A lot of people love to talk about this kind of stuff, and it is fascinating, interesting, but I don't think it can go on like that forever. Okay, let's move on to a little bit more of your playing career. You finished runner-up in major championships, I believe, three different times. I'm curious, what's the one that sticks out

and sticks kind of with you to this day the most? You know, probably the battle in 2005 with Tiger at the Masters, Just the separation that we had had from the field. I think we were seven shots clear of third place. So, you know, coming down the last five, six holes, it really just was a two-man race. And, you know, it was, again, you're playing in the greatest tournament in the world, probably the most watched tournament in the world against the greatest player in the world. And, you know, for me, going toe to toe, you know, you look at some of his biggest rivalries that he's had.

And it was with myself and with Rocco Mediate, Bob May. I mean, guys, you know, that weren't, you know, you expected Phil and Davis Love and guys like that to kind of, you know, Ernie L is to kind of battle Tiger in some of the best battles, but for lesser known guys like us. And, you know, that one was a lot of fun. I think the one that I wish I would have known a little bit more. I was trying to make my first Ryder Cup in 04, and I needed the top 10 at the PGA. And I remember hitting a six iron in the last hole. I hit in there about 15 feet underneath the hole. And I was an hour before all the other guys.

and I had a 15 footer up the hill and when I hit my shot in there I gave a fist pump because I knew that I had clinched the Rider Cup for me at least to be on the team and I left that punt about three inches short and as it turned out if I would have got that punt to the hole I would have won the tournament so that's the one that I wish I would have had back

if I had one more thing back I would have liked to maybe just hit that pun a little bit harder that would have been nice to get one of those obviously that's the one little missing link in my career is to not have a major I've had a lot of great finishes in majors, wants some tournaments. It's tough to win on the PGA tour.

I mean, that slogan, these guys are good, is not for any other reason, but these guys are good. And you need to have a lot of luck. You need to put unbelievably well, and you need to have a really good ball striking week to win any week out there. So it just goes to show you what a guy like Dustin Johnson's done winning every single year since he's been on tour.

Obviously what Tiger's done is remarkable, and the comeback he made is great too. But, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, the 05 Masters, I would say, is the one that, you know, I was right there and had the chance and had a good chip on 18 that lipped out. So, and it was a lot of chances. That was a fun week for sure. Yeah, I'm curious that, you know, here you are. You're playing in the final group, final round of the Masters with Tiger Woods.

What's that, even on a human level with Tiger, teeing off the beginning of that round? I mean, I know it was a really long day. There was more than just the 18 holes played. But what's that like? I mean, is he talking at all? Is there any chatter? Are you talking to him? What's just that whole kind of interaction like even?

Well, a funnier story than that was the first time I ever play with Tiger. He was actually had won the U.S. Open, the PGA, and the British Open the previous year, and was in the Masters. And that was my first Masters. That was 2001 Masters. And I started out 65-69 and was leading the golf tournament after two days. And I get paired with Tiger for the first time of my life on the Saturday of Augusta with the lead. And I remember making the turn with them, and it was so crazy.

I go, this is your world. He goes every single day. And I said, man, you can have it. Wow, that's crazy. I ended up playing pretty good that day. I shot 72. I think I finished like tied for eight that week or whatever it was. But he went on to win and get the coveted, you know, Tiger Slam, which to me, you hold all four trophies at the same time.

It's the grand slam, you know, pretty amazing stuff. But, you know, you get used to it. And, you know, you get used to it. You rather play with Tiger. And the explanation is that. If you're in a group in front of Tiger, everybody's running up to the green while you're playing it so they can get a spot to watch him play behind you. And then if you have the group behind them, everybody leaves the green right when that's done. So you basically have nobody there around the green.

So playing with Tiger is the best. People don't realize that you get 10, 12 deep. You have a wayward shot into the green. It's getting stopped just off the green because there's a million people there. You're never hitting those shots to get way away from you. So it's actually almost easier to play golf with Tiger. As long as you can handle the pressure playing with them, it's easier to play with them for sure.

Yeah, you got little bumpers out there almost. Absolutely, yeah. So you had a front row seat that day, as we're talking about, 16th hole to probably one of, if not the most famous shot of all time. You would hit a pretty good shot in there. I think you're 15 or 20 feet below the hole, and you guys are in an absolute battle trying to win a major championship. Walk us through what was like witnessing that shot that Tiger hit,

that you were unfortunately, you know, probably the one person in the world who didn't love that shot. I wake up to cold sweats on that shift about five times a year. But I had been working with a guy, a great sports psychologist, Dr. Gio Valiente, for about a year and a half before that. And we just, our model on the golf course for me was just expect the unexpected. And so for me, in my mind, I had played every shot out because he had a really hard shot. am I going to say that I put 10% chance that he was going to make that no I mean it was a slight

chance but I did cross my mind that you know he he might chip this in he's tiger woods for God's sakes you know he might make bogey he might duff it he might make you know I might have the lead I try to put myself in every position standing on the 17th T so that I was prepared for it and that helped me get over it when he made the chip I was like well of course he did it's tiger and I just I just got in game mode and I went back in and it was really good to kind of not let that affect me get a good punt I hit the lip it didn't go in and then obviously He's probably the last two holes to get us in a playoff. But, you know, he was struggling with his swing.

There's no doubt he was going to swing change, and he had some poor shots down the stretch. But, you know, there's not many people in the world that can win golf tournaments with their C game. That just shows the will that that guy has. I mean, he is unbelievable. You can't ever count him down. He really can't. I mean, I never thought he'd win a tournament again, and not only does that,

he wins Eastlake, and then he wins the Masters. So there's nothing that I could never say anything about him, because he will prove you wrong. That guy, it's unreal and what he's done and the master's win that he had last year. I want to see him one more time, maybe a six-month stretch where he's playing the golf that he played in the early 2000s. So these young kids, Brooks Kepka, and, I mean, he's shown glimpses of that, but I mean, I'm talking full-on Tiger A-game for about six months, and I want to see how it stacks up to these players now. Yeah, does a part of you, you know, when you hear these guys, especially over the last couple of years,

years, you don't hear as much today, but a year, a year and a half ago, used to hear a lot where they'd say, you know, yeah, we really want Tiger to get back out there. There's a part of you say, like, careful what you wish for, boys. Exactly. You know, when you listen to Justin Thomas, when Tiger won Eastlake, and you listen to him saying, wow, I've never seen anything like this. These crowds were unbelievable. This place was going nuts.

This is the number one player at the world at the time. He just won a PGA that year, and he's talking about never experiencing anything like that. So that's what goes with tigers. Not just playing against Tiger. It is just the, you know, there's so many people out there that don't even know much about golf. They're just there to see Tiger Woods. And that's what brings the atmosphere to those great levels.

I love it. I think it's fantastic. I used to, he used to rebel playing with him just because he was a good guy on the golf. Because you could, I like to talk on the course. I like to get things out. And he's more business. But you know what? You engage him.

He'll engage you back. And, you know, but, you know, you get 20 yards from your ball. he's going the other way. It's time to focus again. But no, he's pretty engaging. He really is. And I think now, with everything that he went through, I think he's way more humbled now than he ever was. And I think, you know, if you're seeing a better side of Tiger Woods, I mean, I really like the person he is now. The other players actually talk about how great he is, and you can see how the friendships he's got out there now. You know, he had two or three friends out on tour the whole time. I was really good friends. Mark Omer and John Cook. Basically, that was about it. And everybody else was

kind of at arm's length. Now you see he's allowed a lot more people in his inner circle. And I think it's great for him, and I think it's great for the fans. Because you know that golf's a better place with Tiger Woods in it. There's no doubt about it. It's just a better game when Tiger Woods is in it and playing good golf. There's an excitement and an atmosphere about it that nobody else can bring to the table. So you touched on it briefly earlier, and it'd be a crime if we didn't bring it up.

And that is your chip on 18. You're talking all about right now. You're talking about Tiger Woods and what it's like everything, playing with them, the circus, Justin Thomas and them who have been at the top of the game, who've won a major championship. Then all of a sudden they see Tiger like, wow, I've never seen him like this. Here you are in the middle of all of that. Golf's biggest tournament.

You're one stroke down. It's the 72nd hole of the Masters. You got Tiger and his red mock freaking turtle neck. He's in the bunker. He blasts out to 10 feet or whatever it is. And here you are. You've got a little chip up the hill. You hit this chip.

Perfect speed going right at the pin. If you wake up five times a night in a cold sweat about his chip, how many times a night do you wake up that that somehow didn't go in the hole. You know, it's amazing. And you know how golf is. I mean, you can see, you can tell those shots that when they, you can just see them, and they hit the pin, they just go straight down in. And mine looked like it was going to do that.

I mean, I was completely, I mean, I went to two knees after, I mean, it hit the pin. I mean, it hit the pin pretty straight on. It wasn't even moving that hard. It actually picked up speed after hit the pin to go that far by. You know, it just, it was in the midst of the Tiger Woods thing. And, you know, it's just one of those things that wasn't meant to be. I was wishing that I had a Larry Mize moment. That would have been fantastic.

You know, I do miss that every year because that is truly my favorite tournament that I've ever played in with the Masters. It was the only major we played at the same venue every year. So it was just always a routine that you got when you got there. I rented the same house every year I played there. You know, I love the golf course. Of course, set up good for me. It was great for my eye. And, boy, I would love to have a green jacket and be able to go back to that every year.

and even play it for sure, but also just to go back and be part of that, it is such an unbelievable place. It really is. I mean, people that have never been there and you watch it on TV, you need to go and see it because it's a totally different reality in person than it is on TV. Well, you were damn close, and I don't have to tell you, but if that ball goes in, which it probably should have, I'm sure you do have a green jacket. So, you know, you're right there.

How different do you think the game is now from, you know, those years kind of your prime, the mid-early 2000s, how much different is the game now 20 or so 15 years later than it was back then? Yeah, I think it's a lot different. I think mainly technology, I mean, these golf balls certainly don't curve like we used to curve them. I mean, you know, you go on a champion's tour and you see a lot of swings that are all man-made, you know, god-given swings, not ones that have been, you know, rejuvenated with teachers and all that. This is all guys that just not to play golf.

And for me, you know, obviously the golf ball goes a little bit further, but, you know, as my swing speed goes down, you know, I don't hit it as far as, say, I don't get the advantages with the driver and the ball technology that a Brooks Kepka gets. And, you know, the game on a regular tour, people ask me to you to still want to play out there. And I really don't because the golf courses aren't suitable for me. You know, they're playing 74 to 7600 every week. Usually with soft fairways, you know, they're hitting, if they're hitting five irons in the par fours, I'm hitting three woods. and that doesn't seem like much fun to me. And I don't really want to do that. And I think it's great.

You can see, you know, I look at my son, and he's, all these kids now are six-two, and they're all jacked, and they're all working out in the workout room. I mean, I stay pretty fit and pretty healthy myself. I do a lot of Orange Theory Fitness to try to keep myself the right way. And, you know, I walk whenever I, as much as I can on the regular, on a champion store, I don't ever take a cart. And, but these guys, they're so physically much stronger than me and a lot of us that the game's changed. It has become a power game, and, you know, God bless them,

because you know what, that's, you watch some of these drives, and it amazes me how far the ball goes. You know, you watch a Roy McElroy when he hits the driver, and, I mean, the ball's flying free 30, and it's not even moving a yard. I mean, it's crazy, so they can have it, you know, you know, I'm glad that the game is in a great place. There's such a great nucleus of young, very, very, very, very, mature, very, very, how much the right word? They're so respectful of the guys that were played before. Every time I go in a locker, I see any of these guys, they always come right up to me, hey, Chris, how you doing? Oh my God, everything good. They're so great. And I mean, I'm talking

Justin Thomas, Jordan Spee, you know, Dustin Johnson, you know, all these kids, Roy Macaro. I mean, they're all, they're so respectful and they're so good for the game. And you can see how much they enjoy the game. I think social media has helped with the game. I think that these guys, you get to really see what they're like in person, and I think that that's a great thing. But the game is in a really good spot, and Tiger Woods being relevant again on top of it, I think the game of golf is in probably the best spots.

It's been in a long time. Tell me about your son, Christian, his game, he's kind of the reason he put us in touch, and I know he's out there. He's trying to make it. Give us a little insight into his game where he's at, you know, how cool it is to sort of watch him trying to make it out there.

Yeah, it is. It's unbelievable. And a work ethic and a discipline that I never really had, we're completely opposite. Let's go hit five balls and go play golf. He's let's go on the range for three hours and maybe play nine. I am more of a player. You know, I'll do one little routine on the putting green I do. And he's out there with teased down and, you know, he's got shafts down.

He's got, you know, a thing making noise. I mean, it's like all this stuff. And I'm not like that at all. But he's, you know, he's fine. It's tough. It really is. I mean, there's so many great players. I think it's more flooded now than it was when I was coming up.

I think that, you know, people are grooming themselves at a much younger age, you know, especially with the nutrition and the working out and everything that goes with it. You know, he's got a lot of talent. He's got – well, I always tell him he's got something that you can't teach. He's got the it factor. When the shit's on the line and a putt needs to be made, he'll make that put. He has that. He wants the ball when it matters, and that's something you can't teach.

That's kind of ingrained in him. And so now he just needs to get that break. He needs to get out of his own way. He wants it so bad. He knows he's seen some of his buddies go out there and make it. He just needs to step back. Let it happen instead of trying to make it happen. I think he's trying to make it happen too much.

But it's hard, too. You know, I mean, he finally got past the point where everybody, you know, critiques him to me. And, you know, it's always like, oh, your dad is Chris DeMarco. And, you know, so he's past that, which is great. So now he can just be his own identity, which is fantastic. And, you know, it's a tough road. only 23 years old. You know, he had some Canadian tour status a year ago, and he had PGA Tour Latin status this year. He's going to go back to the Canadian Tour school again and try to do it

again. And you just got to keep grinding. And you got to keep playing and you got to, you know, golf will beat you down and beat you down and beat you down and then it'll give you something. And once you get that little bit of something, once that door cracks a little bit, you stick your foot in and you go get it. And I think that, you know, he just needs that one little break to go. And once he does that, he's got my endorsement. Obviously, he's my son, and I'm always going to say that because I'm his dad. But as Chris DeMarco, the PGA tour golfer, he has my endorsement as a great young player. One of his best friends is Sam Ryder, who's on his second year.

And it's a great young player out there. And I told him the same thing. I said, you got it. You just need to let it happen. And he's finally letting it happen. He's playing some great golf. Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand how tough. You know, the number of guys I know who are college golfers, really good players who were.

who are plus handicaps who are going to go out there anytime you see them play and your toughest course, they're going to go back to the tips. They're going to shoot 68, no problem. And those people, a lot of them aren't even close to making it. And it's just like I don't think people understand how good the folks are, the kids are, at the top level and how hard it is getting there. It's it's unimaginable to somebody like me who's a weekend hack. It's unimaginable. And they've made it obviously a lot tougher because now you really, you know, there's only a,

a corn fairy tour school that's not a pGA tour school anymore so i kind of like it i think that you know if you don't you're going to get some sponsors exemptions and you can maybe get your card that way but if you don't then you have to play the cornfairy tour and that's what it's for it's for young players to learn kind of how it's like to travel and play on the regular tour and so when you get ready for the when you get on the regular tour you're ready for it and now it's just about going to play golf and you're not worried about oh my gosh where's this plane go to and what does do and how many rounds we play and this is the walkroom you're used to all that and i think that's a a good thing. The coronary tour is such a great stepping stone, one for the young kids,

but also when, you know, guys that are 48, 49 years old that are getting ready for PGA Tour champions, they can go out there in place in tournaments, too, to kind of get themselves back to ready to go, too. So what's your, what's your future with TV? Where are you at with that? Do you like doing that? Because I think you're very good on there. You know, I love doing the media. I had a radio show also that I did for almost 13 years. It was called Pinnuaded with Krista Marco, and I loved it. It was great. I felt, you know, when you're on the radio, you can kind of say a little bit more things because you're not really worried about, you know, what your facial expressions are or what everything is.

And I did love doing the morning drive. I thought it was great. The hour sucks. I'm not going to lie to you have 3.45 wake up, and it was brutal. And, you know, you do that seven or eight days in a row, and you're a different person. You become a different person. I mean, it is brutal. I don't miss it.

I do completely love golfing. I love playing golf. I love competing. I really do. The only thing I miss about the golf channel is I miss when the red light was on. I love that. Everything that goes with it, I could do without. I mean, all the preparation, which for me, I really didn't meet any because they weren't

asking me to say how many fairways did Phil Mickelson hit. How does Phil Mickelson hit that fairway with all the pressure on it? And that's just innate in me, so I didn't really have to do much of that. I love doing TV. I thought it was great, but I don't miss it. I really enjoy the second chance in life to play golf in the champion store. and it is a great tour, and it is a great thing the PGA Tour has done to give us that chance. Awesome.

Well, anybody out there listening, you know, we'll be rooting you on. Go out. Find if they're anywhere near you, the Champions Tour stop. Get out there, Rood on Christa Marco, three-time PGA Tour. One of you made over $22 million in your career multiple-time. Rider Cup, Cupper, President's Cup, battle the Tiger Woods is the greatest player of all time on multiple occasions and gave him a hell of a run. so very, very well respected out there as well.

So, Chris, we really appreciate the time. Thank you very much. Thanks, Scott. You know what? Thanks, Scott. Anytime you want me. Just call me up. You got my number.

I love it. We appreciate that. And we probably will cash in on that at some point. You got it. All right. Thanks, Chris. Have a good one. All right.

Thanks for having me.