Fore Play - The PLAYERS Debrief with Doug Ghim

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

Doug Ghim (62:05), who played in the penultimate group Sunday with Justin Thomas, joins the show to debrief and recap this year’s PLAYERS Championship: first tee nerves, playing alongside the eventual champ, how this was a learning experience, and much more. Before Doug joins, we react to JT’s clinical final round, Westy’s good run, Bryson topping his tee shot on 4, Rory’s candid comments, Spieth and Morikawa hitting into Sabbatini then getting caught on a hot mic, and much more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hey, folks, it's Riggs. Great interview this episode with Doug Gim, played in the second-the-last group Sunday with Justin Thomas, who obviously won. Doug's been playing great golf this year, and he's getting really close. He's all his way down to the Honda. First seven minutes or so, the audio is fine, not great. But we did about 45 minutes.

we asked him to switch just to the phone. So if you're having an audio issue, get through the first seven minutes. The rest is excellent. Let's go. We have a lot to get to. We have Doug Gim on this very show who played in the penultimate group, which is a great golf term.

Yesterday, we're recording on Monday, Sunday at the Players' Championship with Justin Thomas. He's young, he's 24. He's been on the show before. And that was a little rhyme there. And he's had very, I would say, you know, he's steadily posting good finishers, better performances this year than last year on the tour. He talks about how he was going through a little bit of a transition.

So he's kind of up and coming. Didn't have his best round on Sunday. We get all into the learning experience, watching JT. There's some very funny tidbits about just kind of how nervous and jittery he was and how different it was than he thought it was going to be. So a lot of good stuff with Doug Ginn. Big thank to him jumping in. That's about 40, 45 minutes coming up here in a few. And obviously we got a lot to talk about from the players from an amazing stretch of horrible golf on Sunday to Justin Thomas kind of just stepping up, really start to finish missing basically no greens.

He missed the 18th green by about an inch with a pretty poor wedge shot. But there's a lot to get to his players championship. Owens. I'll speak about Owens really quickly. So Owens Mixers, our title sponsor, we came up with the transfusion. we came up with the transfusion. It's phenomenal. I had a couple yesterday with some friends watching the final round.

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and then you realize that some of the billboards are the electronic ones, and they only flash up certain things for like five seconds. So that added, we were already seemingly behind the eight ball, trying to figure out where this goddamn go board was because we were getting answers from all over the place. They were like, oh, it's right across from the blog. Well, is it on the strip side or isn't on the other side? Is it near the highways or is it off the highway?

Like we had so many miscommunications about where that goddamn billboard was. And I was telling somebody in the office today about that experience because they were like, that video was so funny that you guys put up. And then you just, I have to convey to people that the video that I took and then tweeted was the very last moment that we were looking for that billboard because we drove around for 45 minutes to an hour. We couldn't find it. And we're getting legitimately frustrated.

frustrated. Like if there was a camera in that car, you would hear actual anger. Lurch is trying to get to the airport, but he's behind the wheel. And then one last billboard, we're like, we'll give it one more shot. It's an electronic billboard. So the chances of us seeing our billboard at the right time is close to none. And at the last goddamn second, it changed. And it's one of the greatest moments of my life. I'm not even kidding. Not to mention the fact that that billboard that we filmed, we had pulled in front of. So there's a massive difference. And, you know, we love Owens. We love everything about them. We love the mixers. We love the fact they put a billboard up of us in Vegas. But there's a massive difference between being in Vegas and being where this thing was, right?

Like when you're like, oh, we have a billboard in Vegas, you go down the strip, you see the, you see all the lights. You see the fucking Bellagio. You see Paris, the fucking fountains. And you're like, where's our billboard? Like this fucking massive street, the most famous street you made. So we went up and down that thing, I don't know, 10 times, which takes a long time to go around and come back and go up and go down. Going into casinos, we went into the Bellagia at one point and came out it. So we're like, where the fuck is this thing?

Then we're getting coordinates. I mean, at one point, we drove all the way away from Vegas. We're like, are we just down this alley? Like, now we're starting to see a lot of lawyer ones. Like, all the really big brands are now God. and this seems more our speed, to the point where we actually pull into a parking lot where we're like, this has to be it.

It's a parking lot with weeds growing out of it. It's next to a highway. Yeah, you can see like Vegas in the distance, but this is very much so a, like, you'd have to go into this parking lot to see this one billboard. And we sat in front of this thing for what? Five full minutes, six full minutes, and we just watched ad after ad come up.

We're like, this isn't it. This isn't the whole. We did the wait until you see the same ad over again. Right. And so they must go in an order that's like, uh, not standard. Yeah, like random. Exactly. Yeah, because we were sitting there and be like, no, we saw all these already. So we drove away. And the whole time, as Trent mentioned, like, I'm looking at how much time I have left before my plane leaves. And it's like pouring rain. I'm like, maybe my plane would be delayed. But I want to hang in because I'd love to see this billboard. So let's continue to find it. We're driving around. And I'm seeing like, all right, I had two hours of my flight. have like an hour and a half and I still have to go back to the hotel back. And it's becoming kind of a mess to where at one point everybody, and it was the last billboard we took a look at was like, all right, like enough's enough. It's just not here. Like we're in Vegas, but it's probably like on the

outskirts of Vegas, like the town line between Vegas and like the next town because I mean, it does face a parking like an empty parking lot. Like the hotels are in the background, but like it doesn't face those hotels. I don't know how stupid. Like I've, feel so stupid that we thought it was on the strip once you see where it actually is. Like, dude, we look back and we were so naive. At one point, we're basically standing in the Bellagio Fountains. Like, where's our billboard? It's great.

It's not right here. But like, and honestly, like, it's very, the billboard where it is and how we found it is very barstool. Like, it sounds like we're talking shit about a billboard that we have in Vegas. But it's just very barstool that we initially thought that it was going to be right front and center in the strip. And then we went, like Lurch said, to some parking lot where there's tumbleweeds blowing through it. And then our picture appeared.

Like, it's just, like, I wouldn't want it any other way. Honestly, our idea was to go and take a picture in front of those Las Vegas billboard and have it be this glamorous thing. But instead, we got frustrated. We were angry with each other. We had finally given up. We went to one last billboard. And at the last possible second, it flipped to Owen's mixers in our stupid faces. And we just went crazy.

Like, it was honestly perfect. I don't know if Owens was to hear this. this or anyone, but I mean, we said, fuck it, I don't want to see the billboard at this point. We looked so long and hard that we were like, I don't want to find the billboard at this point. 45 real minutes of driving a one mile radius is infuriating.

Like looking at all these things, making right turns, like pulling into parking lots, reversing, getting coordinates. We were like, we don't want to see the billboard anymore. I hope it's not here. So then we finally passed that one that we sat in front of for like 10 minutes. And we're like, Trench is fucking film that one. Like, what if it's,

pops up after like we had said fuck it we were going home we were on our way home and and trench just happened to have the fucking camera on there and it was oh my god what a good moment but yeah thanks to owens because that is that's one of my favorite moments in Vegas ever it was a miracle i will say driving with the three of you idiots all having all getting information from different sources no it's near the bellagio no it's near this hotel no it's like right over by the top of the leaker store and then no it's across the highway and then i was like pulling you turn you turns It was just an absolute mess. We were driving up and down the highway.

Where is this thing? We also like, we didn't find out until way late in the process that it was confirmed a digital billboard, which is a complete game changer. Because like all the billboards that you had crossed off the list were now back in play. It was really good. I will say for our experience of driving 45 minutes and just like felt like just wasting time, couldn't find anything. thing is so fitting for the video and how it was captured. Just like those two things I think works so well together of us just being pissed off, driving around, and then Trent capturing it in like, you see it for a split second

and then you see just a concrete wall and it's just over. It's just tremendous. Yeah, it's good. So we love Owens Mixers. Thank you guys so much. We're, you know, we're very lucky to have such amazing sponsors. And Owens really is that good. It's those.

I got my cup right here, actually. I'm just drinking water out of it because it's a Monday morning. I woke up with a 98% recovery on my whoop and 104 HRV. I was just ready to tackle the day on Saturday. You want to know how many Owens mixes I had? I woke up on Sunday with a 2% recovery and a 37 HRV. So that's how you know that. I mean, Friday, one of those, like Friday night just had to sleep because it was so much

travel and then Saturday I was ready to go primed to drink Owens mixers and I did I drank my mixers and boy Frankie yeah um so yeah big day owens they got amazon they got owens mixers.com and you can even get it on our store store dot brusoresports.com so big thanks to Owens um okay players championship tbc sawgrass first thing i'll say is we got a little bit of what we always get the better than most thing is just the most replayed clip, highlight, call, maybe in the history of sports. As a giant tiger fan, I think if I see it one more time, I'm going to just kick my television. It's just like they just can't miss. They did do the cool tribute with the flag on 17.

They did the same pin location as the better than most put. So you got that. You got the major debate. If you go on Twitter right now, people are still debating whether the player's championship is a major or not. I think our guy Brandel is on the hardcore like it should be changed to a major bandwagon, which is, you know, Brandel likes to take sides. And he's arguing based on history and how they're actually were seven majors at one point. And then they've changed all the time.

So you get that debate. Then you obviously get Island Green over and over and over again, which you should because the Island Green delivers a lot. I thought that this year especially, I don't remember the Island Green playing that hard. Like we saw so many shots that looked like good golf shots that ended up either in the water. And then also the lag putts all day Sunday, right? So everybody was going left. They had that right pin tucked where it always is.

Nobody could get their lag putt within like eight feet of the cup coming down that hill, which I don't remember that. I remember when Tiger won, he lagged it up there to, you know, a couple feet or a foot made it. I remember when Martin Kimer won, he made a bomb from down there that was like going in at good speed. And yet yesterday nobody could get their putts with. Within, like I said, eight, 10 feet of a whole lot of guys were putting it off the green into that little, like, fringy area. I know there were gooch putted it over there, made one from like the fringe. So I thought that the course yesterday, it was shiny.

It was playing really, really firm and looked more difficult in terms of the green conditions than I'd ever seen it other years, which I thought was really cool. Well, back to the better than most thing really quickly. The only person I feel bad for in that situation is Gary Coke, especially on Saturday, because they always, if a guy, because on Saturday, they obviously had the pin in the same spot. And if a guy had even remotely the same type of put that Tiger had, the other announcers would give Gary the floor to say something. And he's, I almost wanted him to say like, I fucking, I already fucking did it, okay? It was one of the most iconic calls in all sports.

Like, even at one point, I think it was Sewell Kim who had a similar put on Saturday and, or it was a little shorter. And it was all silent and they gave Gary the floor. and he just said, oh yeah, that's kind of a mini better than most. Like every time someone got on the dance floor with that pin, they expect Gary Koch to make reference to the better than most thing. And he's just like, he just wants to be like, I already did that. Like it was 20 years ago.

It's the thing that I'm going to be remembered for the most. But I don't want to have to do it every single time we come back to this tournament and someone puts a ball in sort of the same spot. And isn't that, well, and I agree with that, but isn't the 17th green, wasn't it brand new this year? and it was like rocks off. Wasn't there some drainage project that they fixed it? Because balls were literally bouncing on that thing

and just ripping off to the back and just never even had a chance to stay on. So I think it was playing quite a bit firmer. And to your point, Riggs, like the difference of the tournament was almost JT making that comebacker. Now everything could potentially change, but JT makes his, Lee misses that pretty much same comebacker on 17.

Barry's the birdie, obviously, on 18, but 17 was playing crazy. And yeah, Trent, I agree. Like it was, it's pathetic how often they're bringing up the better than most. It's like, all right, again, he's in the vicinity, but just let it be, let it be another part. Yeah, the, you're about 17, like the only, because, you know, they show it all day long. The only shot that got close, I feel like was Brian Harmon, who landed it like in the fucking rough, right, by that bunker and skip to like eight feet or six feet or whatever it was. So it was playing a little preposterous.

Like I was chatting with Max Oma a little bit. And it was like, he was saying it's very noticeable. That green since it's new is just different than almost all the other greens, which as a player is like, especially when you're as dial as those guys are, it's got to be very frustrating. And there's no, there's literally zero buffer. There's zero. It's a fucking island.

So it's like if you miss, if you get a bad balance or it comes in a little firm, your ball is just in the water and your auto double or higher. And like Moracawa, I believe, said he had a 15, degree and there landed on the front of the green he couldn't find his pitchmark with a 52 degree from like one of my so so so yeah that green it looked crazy like it looked a different color it looked firm it looked like you couldn't stop it and you really couldn't so it made a lot of sense i think coming down the stretch that everybody hit it left but then it almost not on fair but it was almost like that was exactly what the tournament came down to you're right was the one stroke difference of

lee west would did what everybody else did and and hit his lag put that went several feet by and he just miss the comebacker, whereas JT made his, and that was the whole golf tournament. So it was just a different experience, I thought, in 18, like, go look at when Ricky and, like, kids were playing that thing in 2015 of the final, and they were just throwing dart after dart at that right pin, like it wasn't a problem. And I missed that. Like, I missed the darts being thrown at that. It was, like, 17.

It's amazing that they threw wedges in there. And, like, when Ricky did that and just kept stepping up and hitting its, like, a foot every time was crazy. It was so cool to watch, like, that skill on. travel because in, you know, in yesterday's tournament and the whole weekend, it was, yeah, just put them something to the middle of the green and try to two putt for par and get out of there. But there were no darts being thrown at those pins because you couldn't. And like, Brian Harmon almost could have been in that little pot bunker there on 17. He cleared that

by like a foot. And then, you know, got to bounce in was like, thank God still on the green. Because it was almost, it was like almost a little unfair with how firm that was playing. it was and then um that little pop bunker shout out to the pop bunker cam because i remember they cut to like john rom was in it late in the day and you're like oh shit i didn't even realize they had a fucking camera in there i'd forgotten that they put that camera there right right right right it was great yeah it was uh 17 was different um okay we got to talk about one of the more iconic stretches in golf television history which was when um brandon todd cold shanks won on 17 almost on to the mini island with all the flowers, like missed it by a yard.

And the whole internet's going crazy because it's like, this is when coverage has started. The leaders are on the first couple holes. And then he gets lucky as hell because they cut over to the fourth hole. And Bryson cold tops one with like a three wood into the water like 50 yards in front of the T-box. And then you're like, oh my God. And everybody wants to make fun of Bryson, obviously. Like he's Bryson. He's got the whole thing.

He's very polarizing. And then Lee Westwood steps up and hits a hundred yards slice maybe into the water on the right. And this now you're thinking like, okay, in the last five minutes, I just saw three of the better players in the world. Todd's won a bunch in the last couple of years, won several tournaments. You got obviously Westwood's now finished solo second, two tournaments in a row. Bryson's the U.S. Open champ, just won last week. And these guys are hitting the worst shots in the world. And as an average fan, as any fan, that's what you want to see.

Because, like, it makes everyone feel better and remember that golf is fucking impossible. As a guy who has sliced 70% of the drives in his life, that Lee Westwood thing, I really felt that one. That was, he fucking sliced that thing. And Price and a reporter asked him about that, that shot on four after the round. And they said, boy, that probably happens to you pretty rarely. And he dead straight said, I've never done that before. He said that was the first time I've ever cold topped the drive, which can't be true, but it's just, it was such a fucking Bryson answer. And I wish Brendan Todd's ball had landed on that other green.

That's, to my knowledge, that's never happened before. And he would, we, we'd have to rename that island to like Brendan Todd Island or something. Like he, that would have been fantastic, but that whole stretch of golf. And then even wasn't Bryson's second shot fucking off the map too? Yes. Yeah. Because then he goes, he's like, what is happening right now? And it's never his fault, which I'm always, like, frustrated by.

He's always like, oh, the wind got that one, Tim, as he talks to his caddy. And you're like, dude, maybe you just pulled it. Like, you just missed it. Like, he is so frustrated when he goes about, like, the way he goes about it. Because to say he's never cold-popped one, it's like, dude, let's not be routine. You've obviously cold-popped one before. I apologize, and I'm looking at Frankie because I think he's about the laugh, but it's, I've got to go. No, I appreciate it.

And this is my side of time. So it's been a pleasure, chat. with you, there's more to talk about. It was a hell of a weekend. I am, no, I was just laughing at and see a, Lurch. Thanks for the, thanks for the goodbye. I figured I'd say goodbye this time. I was laughing at the fact that, I mean, Lurch is right. And it's never, it's never Bryson's fault. He has, he has made up this world and this, this, this analytical, basically he's able to make excuses every time he hits a bad shot, right? The math was off. The numbers are off. His angle was up, but it's not, it's not him doing it. It's like the preparation,

the way they attacked the ball. Everything about getting that club back and through the ball, it was the process's fault, not his. So he's, he's like almost made this like outer body thing to be able to say, oh, no, that's the reason why I hit a bad shot. He looks at the clubs. He looks at his caddies. He's like, what just happened? Like, what? I don't understand. How did you let that just happen. It's like, Bryson, you just fucking sliced one into a million miles away. I mean, the second shot after he topped him into the water was one of the worst shots I've ever seen in golf history. Like, it, he dropped, it was just so far, right, that the cameras couldn't even show where it was bouncing. They didn't even have cameras to see,

like, where that ball was going. It was one of those. It was hard to tell where he was. Was he, like, a hundred yards short of the green? Was he 100 year? Because the camera had no chin. Then he played backwards. And ultimately, after all of that, and, And so like he only made double, which is, I don't understand how that's possible. And he finished, what, two off the lead? He finished 12 under par for the tournament, tied for third and only two off the lead. So it's like if he just hit the fairway there and didn't cold top it, like Bryson maybe wins the golf tournament. Maybe he sticks one in there left and makes bruce.

So to come back and hit the shots that were as bad as he hit, and same with Lee Westwood. to be that off, like, those guys can't be that off. They don't hit shots that are that bad. For them to both hit shots that horrifically, to be doing it at the same time. And you know, they're both looking around like, what are we doing here? And then battleback and both almost win the golf tournament. It was kind of amazing. I know Trent, I think Trent tweeted that, like, at one point when Lee Westwood tied for the lead in the back down, it was like, wait,

Lee Westwood is still in the golf tournament? How did that happen? stunning. If you had just been watching his TV coverage and they didn't tell you how he finished out on the holes, what he was scoring that day. If you were just basing it on his, basically his swings off the T, I would have said that he was, you know, he would have dropped out of the top 20. Yeah, then he makes a birdie late in the round. They're like, Lee Westwood tied for the lead. It's just stunning. You're right. Even like, say we hit those shots that Bryson and Lee hit on four, which if we played four, we'd probably hit very similar shots. Like we make seven, eight to nine. They say, somehow carve out, I think Bryson, or I think Lee made a boge, Bryson made a double, like that really is the difference between, well, there's a lot of differences. But that is one of the main differences between guys like them and guys like us where when a meltdown happens, they keep it on the map. When we go off like that, we make almost double digits. So, yeah, I was stunned that Lee Westwood was tied for the lead that late in the round. It was,

it was stunning, because he did not play well. If Brennan Todd hits that on that island, he has to I mean, you hit it off the island, right? You have to hit your second shot off there. Like, how do you get out there? Or do you take, like, a unplayable? Well, look, there's a way that they get those flowers out there. So whatever that way is could get him to that island to hit a golf shot, right? I wonder what the rule is, like, if you hit it on a place in which the ball is playable,

but if there is no way of getting to that place? Like, is that in the rule? Like, oh, that's just, like, not playable then? Because you can't get there? I would say it's probably a hazard. I bet that island's considered in the water hazard. Which is bullshit because it's just grass. Dude.

Didn't some guy on the European tour take a little rowboat out to an island this year? So like what the fuck's the difference? I mean, come on. Someone needs to hit it on that island. We need to see a three. Imagine someone goes there and then fucking drains one for a two. I would love this team. I mean, no one's ever hit the island before.

So it would be a bit of a waste. but just to have a boat off to the side, like, all the time. Like, if you hit it over there, you're going to take this boat over there. And then, like, that would just be, everyone would be waiting for it to happen. And it almost happened with Fred and Todd. And then imagine him just rowing himself out to that little island. Like, that'd be an incredible moment. You got to think, I mean, amateurs play that all the time, right?

So you got to think that there's been balls hit on that island before. I mean, out of the four of us, one of those balls are going on that island, no doubt about it. I mean, Trent, like, if Trent just pushes that thing out, little right with that like little buttery slice iron shot he has that's going on that on all day long. So they, I would love to know what the official like local rule there is if you hit it on there. They definitely don't bow you. They definitely don't row you out. They should just have a boat in general that you can take to the green if you want. Like instead of walking all the way around, if you could just take a little rowboat up there.

Yes. It'd be awesome. We call it the island green, but it's a bit of a misnomer. Like let's let's like have boats that take you out there. Like that would be a, of fun. I mean, people who already hate the 17th Green, they call it Mickey Mouse or whatever. Those people would be furious. Are people calling it Mickey Mouse go? Who was, John Huggins called it Mickey Mouse.

Oh. Oh, Hugsie. You just showed me that. We were in Vegas. He goes, old hugs he's back and it was just him complaining about the 17th hole. Hashtad he complained about it. Something about this shouldn't be the venue for like something that's basically a major championship

when you got the 17 Island Green. Hashtag Mickey Mouse. That guy's the fuck. Wait a minute. What does he mean that the golf course is why it's basically a major? Like, if you change the venue, it's no longer the play. Like, what is he talking about? He's an idiot.

He's just over there stewing about the wretched barren. Oh, this golf course, this golf tournament that's always at this golf course shouldn't be at this golf course because it's such a good golf tournament. What are you talking about, you fucking old, senile man? Somebody take that guy's password away from him. it's a miss of a take um Justin Thomas we got to talk about JT uh clinical you could kind of tell so you know over the weekend I think he went 64 68 he was outside the cut line through I think 27 holes through the tournament or somewhere around there and then just caught fire over the weekend

um you could tell early on Sunday that JT was going to be a factor a serious factor he gets that swagger going where he kind of like where he kind of like shakes off his shoulders a little bit. He like shimmies his shoulders as he's walking around. And he's just kind of like, you know what I'm talking about? Where he's just, that's him like, I'm in the fucking zone, JT, where he's just so locked in. He can hit the ball, so pure. And he did. And the juxtaposition when they kept cutting to JT while all these other shots were happening,

it was just like, okay, that guy is going to be a problem today. He hit 17 for 17 greens and regulation until the 18. when again he missed it by about an inch and had a pretty simple two put. He hit some shots. We'll talk about the one on 16 and on 18 that were very reminiscent of, you know, the shot that he was hitting on 16 at Harding Park during the PGA last year. Remember when he was just hitting that fucking low missile, screamer, driver, barely off the ground. It was a cut at 16 at Harding Park.

But he was hitting on 16 yesterday at Sawgrass. he just rope drew a driver, I think it was, maybe a through, that got like, it was only like 40 feet off the ground. It only flew, I think, 234 and rolled 60 yards on the ground out to like 290, 300 yards. That was sick when he did that. That's just a guy who can do it every once with a golf ball. You know, that really shows the type of day that he's having that he can just, I mean, the tracer on that drive on 16, you just can't beat that. Like, you got a guy out there who can just move it. left, right, rip it as much as he wants.

And then the drive on 18, where he even said afterwards that when it was in the air, he said it was 50-50, whether it was going to be dry or wet. Like, that's just a guy who can move the ball around. And it's really fun to watch when a guy as talented and as good at the game of golf as Justin Thomas is, when he's really on, when he's at the top of his game, because even like on an off day for Justin Thomas, it's still pretty good. Like that's how you become a Justin Thomas of the world. but when he's fucking humming along and he has all the confidence in the world they have any

shot that he wants that's when it's very fun and that's how you win against a field at the players championship and like on 16 he hits that low rope draw that again rolls forever and then his next shot he hit a high moon ball cut with like a five wood where he took a little bit of yardage off and like right into the left side of the green which is exactly where you're supposed to hit it It's like when you have that much control over those different kinds of shots on back-to-back swings on the 16th at Sawgrass where there's fans, where it's as big a tournament as you're going to play, that was so goddamn sexy. And then he made, you know, a huge put on 17, like we were speaking about earlier, but everybody's kind of lagging it down there, just past the hole somewhere between six and like 10 feet away. And he buried that, poured that putt in, gave a little fist bump. and then that five wood that he hit, I think it was the five wood on 18.

I mean, if we, right, if we hit a shot shape like that that we're nervous about, that's because it's like a toe hook that doesn't go anywhere. That went like 315 or something with a five, like a five wood. He hit it like 350. And he said, he's like, no, I fucking smashed it. I just was a little concerned. I overhooked it a little. But that thing went 300 plus yards.

It was a fucking five wood. Like, what are we talking about? It was a missile, absolute missile. He's so good. He's just so good. He's so fun to watch. Obviously, been a weird year for JT in a lot of ways. But to see him get a win, like that was just, it was a very cool debt. His outfit looked good. That shirt was like popping. It looked a little tight. He looked a little more muscular than usual. He did have his swagger.

You know, he saw him doing a little bit of the, the, the, the ode to Tiger with the fucking follow through three-point shot, like the fucking balling thing, which was really cool. But yeah, he's got his swagger. He's never going to lose it, I don't think, no matter what happens to this guy. It's just built into him. He's just a fantastic talent. There's no other way to describe it. He has something that other people don't. Yeah, I think he's just gone a little tighter, you know?

He looks lean. He looks how you want to look. Yeah, I'm trying to get lean. I've been on the Peloton, so I'm on a two-day streak right now. So I did one day. I did one day. Then we went eight days on a golf trip or nine days on a golf trip, which we did a lot of walking, strenuous strain.

My whoop was off the charts. Got back, first day, 30-minute ride. It was screaming to the heavens, the high heavens because of how hard it is. Let me tell you something about these Peloton fucking, these instructors. Like, they're either the strongest people in the world or they just don't do what they're saying. They're like, all right, we're going to bump the same up to like 60 resistance. And they're just fucking like, ah, like it's nothing, man. They can fucking write an essay.

Like nothing's no problem. They're up. They're back in the saddle. I'm there like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, what do you, what do you shaking your head at? You're acting like, oh, it's so crazy. There's a big difference between me, a piece of shit, and these Peloton instructors who have probably logged thousands upon thousands of hours.

Like, it's crazy that they're making those look so easy. They don't even make, they don't even, they don't even, they don't even wince. They don't, I understand what, like, obviously. understand that they are extremely fit and they've done thousands and thousands of rides. That's why they are Peloton instructive. My point is that they don't even wins. And they're able to have like full blown conversations on like very difficult rides. Very different.

Like I didn't know the human body would allow anyone of any strength to be able to like run a class and speak while fucking climbing up a fucking two mile climb. I just didn't know like I never. once are they like fuck like like never once do they even like cough or like well uh never it's just like all right guys it's a great saturday to have a ride it's like are you fucking kidding me they should have they should have relatable instructors that should be one of the categories where they're puke in their coughing just as much as you are and they're like this sucks dude i was like because i got it for my family and i was i was so out of shape i was saying i was screaming i'm like i got to get something to spit in i was like can i just spit on the full

or something, I was dying. Legitimately, saliva, sweat, puke. What was your heart rate? Do you know what your highest heart rate? Yeah, so the whoop actually pops right up on the screen. It's sick. So, like, it comes on the screen. So I was on my highest heart rate yesterday was like a 185. Oh, damn. But it lets you know, like, so there's, so the whoop is actually extremely integrated into the Pelotown where like it tells you levels of your heart rate. So it tells you like to go to level one, level two, level three, level four. And you want to get all four levels. And it's kind of based off of how off the strain of the ride.

So like you want to get to level four when you get to like the fourth, whatever peak of the ride. It's really pretty interesting. But yeah, no, I'm getting my body moving. The more I'm reading too, I do need to do other workouts to get that JT fit, lean cut look. Because I don't feel like being a muscle builder. I don't have to frame. I need to just tighten things up.

I want to be able to wear T-shirts again. Don't put too much on your plate, though. Then you'll get overwhelmed and you'll quit. Yeah, I don't know. But I'm reading, like, you know, cycling is just not going to get you like the ideal body that you want. It's definitely going to lose a lot of calories. It's going to get your heart rate up. It's going to fucking make you feel a lot healthier.

But you got to mix in a little, a little like weight lifting. Nothing great. I'd say do the bike for two months before you start doing anything else. I know. I've only logged three classes. Right. I know. I know.

They're already like, how can I be Mr. Universe here? There is this, there is this addictive. That's good, darling that you're aggressive. It's addictive. the like the classes and stuff and like wanted to go on there and seeing if like the next day it's easier like because the first two days have been impossible so I'm like when do I get to that point where it's like all right my asshole doesn't hurt from sitting on the seat anymore I mean I'm absolutely in pain I can barely sit here right now I got to tell you my whoops at 93% recovery today and I feel like a million dollars dude I woke up on Saturday after our long travel and I was a fucking I was a fucking 98 recovery and a one 104 HRV, which is just like, usually my HRV is a 50 or 60. Just everything, dude, I woke up feeling pure, pure, absolutely pure. I fucking hopped on the bike.

I took a nice ice cold shower. I was walking around my chest out. Like, holy shit. Whoop for everyone out there, remind you can get 15% off. Use the code 4Play at checkout. So that's W-H-O-O-P.com. Woop.com code 4 play at checkout. You're going to get 15% off. You are welcome. But Justin Thomas, who we spoke about a lot, huge whoop guy. I feel like he was on Woop before

Woop was even a thing. And obviously, we integrate it into every conversation that we have because it's, I mean, it's awesome. It's just absolutely awesome to know where your body's at. Dude, mine died the other day and I didn't have my, I couldn't find my charger. I just, I couldn't find it. It was very frustrating. But like, when you don't have it and it's not tracking you, you feel like you're lost. I felt. for like a day. I like I just didn't know what was going on. I didn't know what to base anything off of. I'm just supposed to trust myself and how I kind of feel or like how I slept. Like once you have it and I've been wearing it for a year, year and a half now. And then once you don't have it, the difference is crazy. I cannot believe I ever lived a period of my life without the whoop and not knowing what was going on. It's great. We've had the woo for almost like a year now, it feels like. And the first 11 months of that, I basically just used it as, you know, a wristband. And I used it to track my sleep.

And I really thought it was awesome. But now the fact that it's like popping up on screens, I'm working out. My strain was like an average 11 over the last 14 days. Like I'm actually getting numbers up there. When you're using the loop the way it's supposed to be used, there is no better piece of technology you can have because it's on your phone. It's on your workout machines. Everything is so integrated. it's such a cool piece of technology.

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but Lee Westwood, 47 years old, he's got the fiancé on the bag. Another, so back-to-back, solo second place finishes. His put on the 18th hole made him $500,000, was the difference. We talk about this with Doug Gim, a pretty good amount. But you just got to give a shout-out,

to Lee Westwood. I think he's, year after year, he's become more and more, you know, like you root for him more and more every single year. You almost feel bad for him to degree. You want him to get that huge tournament. He doesn't have a major. He doesn't have a player's championship, even though he's been right there several times. He's got a bunch of wins, especially on the European touring around the world. And he just came up short. And man, there's nobody in the history of golf, I would say, that appears shakier. over a short putt than Lee Westwood. And he putted

great. I mean, he was like, I saw he he was like fourth in strokes game putting. They put that up on the stat sheet at one point on Sunday. I don't know where he finished. And he made a lot of clutch parsage. Like he really did except the one in 17. So the putts were going in. But man, are they just so shaky

every single time they cut to him? You're like, oh, there's no way this goes in. You know, in terms of Lee Westwood, I'm just happy that he's happy. He seems much happier now. Even with the second place finish, he was doing his post-round interviews, and he was saying, yeah, like, Monday's going to be a great day.

I'm going to Augusta with my son. We're going to do that. That's going to be awesome. I understand that he has never won a big tournament, and that's always going to be the rep until that happens. And if it doesn't, that's too bad. But, like, it doesn't seem like it's his whole life anymore. And I know we talked a little bit about it last week when he had a good finish at Bay Hill.

But, like, he finished second. He made that punt where, you know, he made himself $500,000. or whatever, like he's not devastated right now. He seems like he's in a good headspace. Would he have liked to win yesterday? Obviously, that would have been ideal. But, like, his life isn't over now that he didn't win that tournament yesterday. He just has a great attitude.

Like, watching him and his fiance go around TBC Sawgrass all weekend. Like, they just kept it light. They were smiling the whole time. Even when he'd hit a bad shot, they'd kind of laugh it off. They had them, I don't know if they had them mic up, but there's obviously mics around the course that would pick up some of their conversations. They just kept it light the whole time. time. So I sleep better at night knowing that Lee Westwood is in a good spot. Like, I'm glad he's

not just devastated over that second place finish. So if he's happy, I'm happy is what I'm trying to Well, well, yeah. I mean, at some point, he's got to just realize that it's just not in the cars. He got's 47 years old. Like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out when we start talking about guys in his position with the tone that you're using there, Trent. Like, I mean, like, we like destroy Ricky, Ricky Shea shots and all this stuff. Like, we're like, this guy's, never going to win a big one and blah, blah, blah, like, when's he going to break through? Like, this guy's 47 years old. He's never one.

He's has two PGA tour wins, but he's Lee Westwood. Like, when, at what point do we just like be, oh, he's the, he's a laughable guy that doesn't, doesn't keep him up at night. They doesn't win anymore. Meanwhile, the other guys are like, he, he's literally being kept up at night. He thinks about the tournament every single time he steps up on Sunday. He can't get it done. Is it an age thing?

Is there a threshold of losing so much that you just, we feel bad for him? and now we're just happy that he's happy. It's weird. It's probably a stage thing. Like right now, Ricky Fowler is probably getting two hours of sleep a night. That would be my- Yeah.

Shouldn't that hurt Lee Westwood even more that he's 47 and fucking Ricky Fowler has 20 more years to get to him to even win one? Like shouldn't Lee West would be the guy who's fucking ringing the bells in the town? Be like, I can't sleep anymore. Well, it's all about how you approach it. And I think Lee Westwood has chosen to be like,

yeah, like I understand the conversation that surrounds me anytime I'm in contention at a tournament like this. But I'm not going to let that, like, like stress me out and drive me crazy. Like, he's obviously just smiled. What if he's numb? What if he's numb now? I mean, he's been through it.

I mean, if you've been watching golf for the last 20 years, he's just been through it. He's got 47 international victory. Yeah. I mean, he's, he's an incredible player. He doesn't, he doesn't play that much like state side, but he goes all over the world and just wins everywhere. 47 international fucking victories. That is it, that is a, that is a, that is so many.

victories. I'm sorry, 42, 42, 42. He's, he's, what is he? He's got 25 European Tour wins, which is eighth all time. He's obviously a Rider Cup, like, Warrior. He's been great in Rider Cup. So, yeah, like, Lee Westwood, I think, too, like, the difference is I think that he knows he's already over the hill, so everything's a little bit of a bonus. Like, he already went through the phase of accepting that he's not going to win, like,

you know, X, Y, or Z tournament. whereas Ricky's like right in the heat of it. And it's like, Ricky needs to fucking do it. The fact that he's like not going to get into the Masters or even in that conversation is brutal because Ricky's like fucking 30. It's like, dude, this is when you're supposed to win the Masters.

Lee Westwood's like, nope, he already missed the boat. So now any boat that comes by, it's a bonus. He's like, oh, fuck yeah. I get to go on a nice little catabaran.

Like, that's great because he fucking missed everything for 30 years. So I think he's a little bit more content. He's got like clearly he's got, you know a fiance now so like he's in a different phase his son's going to augusta with him like Trent said so I think he's just a little bit more like accepting and I feel like for Ricky he hasn't accepted it yet and he doesn't want to ever accept it and maybe he won't have to accept it but currently he has to fucking accept it because like he seems too early for him to have to accept it right now if he

accepts it now and we're we're having a conversation next year like you know Ricky just looks like he's having a good time out there I'm glad he's happy like that's a very like that's a problem 47 is different, much, much different than 30 in golf. So we can't get there with Ricky yet. He's got a couple of decades left before we give him to like, ah, well, you know, he gave it his best shot. Dude, you got to think, though, like, there's like, there's two sides of looking at this.

It's either that he's out there for a stroll, Lee Westwood, or the fact that he has not gotten it done for all these years he's been on tour. And now he's fucking leading the golf tournament at the players, finishes in second. And now you see, you see reports that the girlfriend off the bag, the son's on the bag at Augusta. Like, this guy may be like, oh my God, you've given me a taste again.

I can do this. I mean, does anyone go through more mental turmoil than Lee Westwood, if you think about it? Like, he was set in sales. He got engaged. He's got the son playing up. And now it's like, you gave me a taste of Sunday leading at the players at TPC. And all of a sudden, I'm fucking cold shanking balls into oblivion. Justin Thomas is fucking draining eagle.

And now I'm just second place. Wife's off the bag. son get in here i need a change up what do you mean no you don't think this guy's got a taste again you don't think this guy's got taste again he finished second at the play hill and second at tpc you don't think this guy's tasting victory right now i you've got him all wrong i think you what you want no here's here's the fucked up thing about frecky grellis is that you want him in the throes of turmoil you want him you're like i want him in therapy today that's what he's fucking therapy i want him in therapy because you know what he's right there man dude you somehow

turned a second place finish at Bay Hill, a second place finish to the players, going to play Augusta with his son today into like the worst thing that's ever happened to him. It's a question. I'm posing a question. It's devil's advocate. Yes, we can look at Lee Westwood in a way that like, you know what? He's just there for a stroll. Second place finish.

$500 extra thousand dollars in his pocket. Thank you very much. He makes a million dollars, whatever it is. And I see it as maybe, just maybe when he goes home, he's throwing things around his fucking house because he's like, 30 fucking years of this shit. I just wanted to win. Like, I was right there.

I was right there. You're saying. It's just, Frankie, you're in such constant state of mental turmoil that you can't fathom someone else not being in mental turmoil. I just want to think it matters to these guys as much as it would matter to us. Like, oh, after all those years, building and building and building, Lee Westwood just is right, like a player's at the age of 47, a player's, would have been such a nice cap on this guy's career with three international victories.

Fucking, he only has two on state side. He doesn't have a major. The players would have been such a nice. Like, you know what, Lee, you fucking had a great career, man. And I'm not saying he hasn't been already. But that just would have been like, that Lee Westwood, man, he's, he's one of like the greats of his generation that he actually got it done. Lee Westwood would have etched his name.

And like you said, Ryder Cup, fucking presidents have all these things. Lee Westwood just, come on, man. You think, so you think everything that's going on right now is like that Seinfeld episode was Serenity Now, where he just keeps saying Serenity now. It seems like it's a good thing, but it actually makes you go fucking crazy. I don't know the answer, Trent. I wish I did. I wish I knew it was going on Lee Westwood's head. I'm sure if we talk to him, he'd say that he has the best life in the world because he does.

He's a fucking professional golfer. The amount of money he's probably made is insane. He's living a great life with his fiance, his son. He wants to play Augusta. Things are looking up for Lee Westwood. I'm not crying that he made a million dollars sitting this week at fucking at TPC Sawgrass.

I don't think he is either, but at the end of the day, it's a results world. We like to hang trophies up. And this guy is a notorious not, he's a notorious loser on state side, right? Like he is, is he not? He's fine. And as Riggs alluded to last episode,

he's a smoke. He looks great. He looks fantastic. I'm a Lee Westwood fan. I was rooting for him yesterday. I'm also a J.T. fan. I was reading for him yesterday. basically I was rooting against everyone except Bryson.

But I really, really, really would love to know if when he's walking up 18, he's like, mother fucker. I'd rather just finish fucking T-15. And I could just, like you said, take my boat out and just fucking whatever. He's in it. He went to sleep on Saturday night. He's like, I'm going to win this fucking thing.

It is, like, if Lee Westwood had won that, and we should mention that Ricky Fowler did win the players championship. So it's like he's got that, but he has not want a major, which everyone's going to talk about forever, but until he maybe wins one. But Lee Westwood, if he would have won the players yesterday, that would have taken over the byline of his, like, career. Would have been like, oh, yeah, Lee Westwood. Like, he got the players done at age 47 with the fiance in the back.

That's amazingly, he got it done. And now they just won't. It'll just be forever. They're like, oh, yeah, if Lee Westwood three jacks 17 and, like, came up a shot short, of course it did. You know, that's kind of going to be the chatter. So, yeah, I'm sure that keeps him up at night. Like, of course it does.

but I think he's pretty content. Maybe $1.6 million, I said. Pretty good. We should, we've been talking a little bit about Bryson at this whole show, but I do want to talk about Rory's comments about Bryson. I feel like that was a big topic of conversation where basically came clean and said, Rory said that Bryson's, you know,

we're now in this arms race of distance and golf. And of all people, Rory McElroy somehow got involved with it and it got in his head that he needs to be more like Bryson. he needs to make his swing such so there's more speed and he can hit it further. Kind of crazy that of all the people on tour, Roy McElroy's bought into this, but I bring this up for a couple reasons. And one of them is,

and I think we should put this in here, the audio of him answering that question, and I'm not even talking about the actual answer itself, but the beginning of his response, where he thinks about the question for 20 seconds. It's a full 20 seconds of him going, nah, ah, ah, ah. What are you most frustrated with, Roy?

Probably, like, all the swing issues and where it all stems from probably like October last year, doing a little bit speed training, sort of getting sucked into that stuff. Swing got flat, long, too rotational. Obviously, I added some speed and hitting the ball longer, but what that did to my swing as a whole probably wasn't a good thing. So I'm sort of fighting to get back out of that. You're obviously one of the longest players on the PGA tour. Why do you think you went down that route?

I think a lot of people did. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't anything to do what Bryson did at the US Open. I think a lot of people saw that and were like, whoa, you know, if this is the way they're going to set golf courses up in the future, it helps. It really helps. The one thing that people don't appreciate is how good Bryson is out of the rough not only because of how upright he is

but because his short irons are longer than standard so he can get a little more speed through the rough than us than other guys. And I thought being able to get some more speed is a good thing and I maybe just you know to the detriment a little bit of my swing

I got there, but I just need to maybe ran it back in a little bit. And it's a guy, and this is why we love Rory, who is thinking about what he's going to say next, because he knows if he is honest and says that Bryson has influenced his swing to the point where he thinks he's playing worse because he's trying to catch Bryson,

he knows that that's going to be the headline for the day and for the next couple of days, and he just goes for it. He says, trying to match Bryson's speed has completely fucked up my swing, and that's the reason that I haven't been playing well recently. Rory's the best. He really is the best in these situations because he could have just said like, you know, I'm just a little off.

My swing isn't where I wanted to be right now. But I'm trying to work on it and that's where I'm going to be going forward. But him being straight up about Bryson and how the effect that he is having on other guys on tour, I thought was very, very interesting. It's amazing that the like we give people so many different, like I'm trying to think of the word. Like it's like a longer leash, I guess, with Rory. like if Rory says that it's amazingly open and honest and we understand that that's why his swing sucks. But if Bryson comes out and says like, you know, I fucking, I played horrible on Sunday because I was trying to achieve a certain swing speed and it just fucked up my whole entire swing. We're like, okay, Bryson, it's like it's the swing speed fault.

Like your swing change is the difference right now. Like you just didn't hit the ball. You know what I mean? So it is amazing that like Rory being so honest and open and a regular guy, it does, it does, you know, we are able to understand. a lot more as opposed to a guy like Bryson who talks about all the analytics, the swing, the speed, the launch, the angle, all that stuff. We're like, just fucking hit the golf ball. But when Rory does it, it's like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Let's, let's give this guy some time to figure out a new swing. Well, he's, I, Rory's earned that. Everyone knows when he speaks that it's honest. I think he's just had that track record. Bryson, he's a bit of an excuse machine. And we've talked about that, like, when he's at the Masters and he, we played like shit when the narrative coming into it was, oh, my God, Bryson's going to kill this golf course and just win the green jacket before he even shows up on Thursday.

And then he's like, oh, my stomach hurts and I got to get blood work done. Where Rory is just like, yeah, man, he seems very just normal. And he's like, this is what I'm going through. And we all tend to believe it. Yeah. And I thought Rory's comments to were it came off like he was taking ownership. Like I fell into the speed trap. I made a dumb decision.

I chased the speed situation, which is clearly just alluding to Bryson and what Bryson's done. And I shouldn't have done that, right? Whereas like Bryson, the way that he explains stuff, it always comes off like it was the universe's fault. And he had no other choice but to like, but to get screwed by the universe. And it's just kind of like, well, you know, so yeah, you're right that like we do give Rory way more the benefit of doubt. But he has earned that. Like Trent said, he's earned that. And he's always going to get that because.

of the moments like like this like put that audio in and like Rory, Rory genuinely thinking through what he needs to say and not just like giving the reporter some robotic answer is why he will always be one of the most beloved figures in golf outside of his skill level is that like he's just candid. Like that was Rory up there in front of people legitimately thinking about the honest way to answer the question. And that goes a long way. So I was watching golf.

channel and most of the people were on the side of like why would a guy like warren mackle really be doing this he hits the ball a mile he already hits the ball a mile he needs to focus on other aspects of his game like he shouldn't be chasing bryson there's no reason for him to do that when he already hits it you know 300 plus on average but then the flip side of that is isn't rory in the best position to match bryson like if he's already got all this distance that he can hit if he just does a couple things a little bit different then he is able to hit it just as far as Bryson. And what they're trying to do essentially is what he did at Wingfoot, where it doesn't, you don't have to keep it on the map necessarily. If you hit it in the rough, that's fine. But it just depends on what club you have in your hand when you're in that rough.

And I think that's what Rory's main takeaway from watching Bryson at Wingfoot was, was like, I want to have those shots in as opposed to one that I'm having. So I can kind of see where he's coming from where, yeah, he does have all this distance off the T already. So the initial response, he would think, like, why would he want to chase Bryson? But the flip side is he's, he just needs a little bit more, and he's there with Bryson.

So I wasn't as like crazy shocked and stunned that I guess Bryce, or that Roy was trying this, because he just needs a little bit more, and he's there, right there with Bryce. Nobody gets Trent going more than Rory. You're so concise, articulate. Like the way that you're describing, like, his aspect and his approach to the game right now,

I've never heard you talk about anyone like this in my entire life. Like, Rory gets you going. Do you have a heart on right now? in the in the rider cup Trent Roots for him in the rider cup. That's not true. Is your cock hard right now? Like this is crazy. I just, this is crazy. Are you your waistband in it? Dude, I've

never in my life. I just love the guy and I understand what he what he's like a real person. There's no, there's few and far between on the PJ tour or in sports in general where you look at a guy and think that's a real person and they're saying real things. Rory is one of the guys who I look at it. It's like

when he speaks, feels like it's coming from a real place everybody now is media train and they just like they don't say anything they say words but they don't fucking say anything rory when he talks i'm like that's a guy who is actually speaking in a way that makes a lot of so he did this with the distance report but he's the kind of guy it's like this is going to get me in trouble but and then he goes on and says what he's about to say you know what i mean like he has the balls and he has the knowledge and the and the pedigree and and everyone knows about rory's like background in the game and and and how everyone how big his fan base is, that they actually respect what he says.

And even if he does get in trouble, it really doesn't get him in trouble. I mean, at the end of the day, who's really cool and raw being like, you shouldn't have said that? They probably all respect what he says, you know? No, and that's why I thought that first 20 seconds after the reporter asked the questions was so interesting. Yeah. Because he's clear, in real time, he's weighing the options of what he's going to say next because he knows as soon as he says something about Bryson, it's going to be the number one story on golf channel. It's going to be the number one story in golf Twitter.

Like he just knows that, but it was, he was honest in it. And but it was like, it's an interesting peek into his psyche. Lee West would look great all week as we have alluded to. And it's not kind of a coincidence that he's rocking Peter Milar. He looks really good in Peter Milar the entire week. I've got this Peter Mlar hoodie on right now that they sent me. But the Perth, we've talked a lot about the Perth is a Peter Milar icon. It's in the rafters.

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only one boxer brief person now. We have another company that sends us this stuff, but, you know, Peta Malar has gotten into the boxer game, which I didn't know that they were in. And let me tell you something, it stacks up. They have their chips at the table, and they could win the hand. Like, it's just as good. I don't know where they get the stereo from,

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Next up, we've got Doug Gim. Wait, real quick, I want to talk about Kalamorakaa hitting up on Sabatini. It was a very funny moment when the microphones picked up on that. I mean, it ended up getting taken down from Twitter. I'm assuming because everything was picked up on there. and the way that it's just the best back and forth I've ever heard on on just like you know these guys had no clue that they were miced up you know, you know, Morikawa saying like, you know,

oh, is that who is that up there? Is that Sabatini? Like, God damn, I cannot believe. Of all the people hit up on that Sabatini, because I guess Sabatini says like the shortest views on tour, I'm assuming. Yep. Yeah, Spieth was like, what did he say? There's a lot of great quotes from that moment.

And I guess, I think Daniel Rappaport tweeted it that the tour had sent out a text on Wednesday night being like, hey, there's cameras and mics on every T-box. So just be conscious of what you say, clearly to try and avoid a moment like this. But Speed and Moracowah going back and forth about hitting into Sabatini and Speed being like, because they watched Sabatini's next shot after they hit into him and he hit a horrible shot. And Speed was like, oh, yeah, I'm the reason he hit that bad shot. Yeah, I didn't know if it was more coward. Because then I think more coward or speed, we're like, come on, please hit a good one. And it kind of got caught off by the bad shot. He's like, hit a good one.

Nope. And then Steve's like, yeah, buddy, I'm the reason why you hit a bad shot. Because, dude, Sabatini just like pulls one out of the rough and looks back again and gives them like a, wow. And all right, dude. Speed was like, luckily, I'm one of the few guys out here that he likes. Yeah, it was very, very funny. That little inside peak was his good. good as it gets and I'm not surprised it got taken down but whatever we got to see it once.

Just those candid conversations man just like that stuff knowing that shit goes on all the time and it's just not my stuff. It's nice to know it's just normal people who are having funny conversations that we would have everybody. Oh yeah, bro. That's why you hit that shot because of you would have you didn't hit that golf shot because of you. That was because I hit a shot five minutes ago that almost hit you like relax. And it flew under the radar a little bit. Not really. But the end of the video is more a cowah talking about how like he thinks Sabatini has a crush on his girlfriend. Yeah, he did. He was like, I think he's got a thing for my girl. It's just so funny, man. That was the best part. That was the best part. The whole thing. So good. That was good.

I mean, the ball almost killed him. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. Hit a fucking tree came in a side angle, almost took him out right in the neck. Oh, and one other thing, I just things keep popping in my head. Dustin Johnson, too good at the game of golf now. He has simply reached such a level where he hit it so close to the pin that he hit the pin on and went into the water. He's just too good now. He's too consistent. So dialed in. He's got to do what Tiger used to do.

Tiger used to aim like a yard right of the pin so he wouldn't hit the pin. It's insane. Think about that. I was saying like we don't have to worry about that. Like, yeah, he's the number of player in the world, but I don't have to worry about hitting it off the pin and it rolling into the water. It couldn't be made. Under no circumstances where we have to worry about that.

All right. Doug Gims up next. Again, he had a great week. He was in the second to last group. with JT. didn't have the Sunday that he wanted to have, but he's still in great spirits. He talks all about the learning experience and going down for the Honda this week and much more. So listen, enjoy this chat with our friend Doug Gipp. Our folks are joined, I think for the second time, great clap from Trump right there, so everybody's

kind of fired out. But we're joined by the second, for the second time by our very good friend, Doug Gim, who's been a friend of the program. I first met him sitting fucking middle seat last year on a flight from Miami to Bermuda and I was like this guy, Doug Gim and then played great that week. We've been playing well ever since. You've got several top well good finishes this year, including I believe you had top five at the American Express. Final second to last group last, you know, this past weekend at the players, play with JT.

Had a really good week overall. Now we're getting such a raw look because you and your boy Luke are just packed car driving from Jacksonville down to the Honda. So how are we feeling? Feeling good. The last two weeks have been pretty difficult as far as how hard the courses work. So it's kind of nice to dig your breath and just kind of chill on this ride right to Honda. Do you like, I feel like you like tough courses. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, when you get a tough course like the last two weeks, it kind of favors the person that drives a whole. well and it hits a lot of greens and that's kind of bogies although there are as far as a basketball yesterday, it's the same no matter how difficult the course is. We had to talk, let's talk about tomorrow because, you know, you're, it's about as big a golf tournament as you can have. You've, you finished runner up the US Amateur,

really did everything to win the damn tournament. And, you know, just got a little bit unlucky in last minute. You're low Amateur at the Masters. You won the Big Ben Hogan Awards. So clearly you've been in big positions before. Did yesterday feel a lot different than anything else that you've been in? It was like taking everything that I've ever experienced.

The most nervous have ever been in advance or back, and it's amazing experience. It's up to you pretty much your whole career. Obviously, it's done the same time to watch him win that. He has a competitor was one of the coolest things I've ever done. and it's definitely something that I would never trade for. I mean, obviously, I would love to have done it, but I love to have done you the day to get to experience that.

Yeah, it's interesting in that. Like, I feel like a lot of, you know me, I've been, I text you all the time. Like, you're going to win. I have no doubt. And it's like you're going to keep moving up. But I feel like now we're in the moment where people will talk about, like when you do break through win,

be like, yeah, he had that learning experience at, you know, the players when he was in the final group. I know we're so closely moves. It's not even been 24 hours since the tournament finished up, but do you feel like you learned a lot from yesterday? Absolutely. I mean, it was so cool just to be there. You think there's no hiding opportunities where I was kind of the line of fire.

And to be there at the player's championship and one of my first experiences doing that, it was pretty insane. It wasn't like any end up any positions like that. So when you put yourself in a position like one of the biggest tournaments that you're going to do, it's just the fact that I don't think I realize something that I'm doing. But I so badly wanted to make a good first impression. It's something I look up to, like, walking off. You mentioned world rankings, and I was just looking at the rankings.

You moved from 257 to 238. You mentioned over the weekend that you were 257. Like, don't let Doug Gim get hot. You moved up 19 spots. You're coming for that number three spot in Justin Thomas. I can feel it. Yeah. I'm losing you, Doug.

No big deal. We got some of the best quotes ever from a PGA tour player, and it came through fucking, it sounded like it was coming through a microphone going through a toaster, and now we're back with you with picture, perfect, clear audio. That's the four-play difference right there. The absolute four-play difference.

You're like, you know, I've never been in a position like that. I can't believe I was there. Justin Thomas told me, and it was just like, you couldn't even hear a fucking thing. But we're going to keep it because that's the four-party. play difference. I just want to let you know that I am, I'm, I just can't believe how good your audio sounds right now. Because when you were saying those things, I was, I had the chills. I mean, like listening to someone break down how they were feeling on the 18th fairway and walking down,

walking off the 18th green and not knowing how much they cared about until, I mean, we can write a book. Like, let's start fucking writing the script right now. That's a movie. And then you're going to come back, you're going to win it. Like, if Doug Kim comes back and wins the players championship and beats Justin Thomas or something, this moment right here was the building block. Like, we're building something here, Doug. We're fucking building. Okay. All right.

I think we're back. I think the last thing we heard from it was when I said, we've got building blocks. We're building right now. And then you went on some sort of incredible rant that we didn't hear word of. So if you wanted to go back and just retouch on all that. Of course. I mean, yeah.

I mean, like, I'm 24 years old. This is basically my first. full year on the PGA tour and you know i didn't i didn't start golf dreaming to only win one tournament um and have one battle with jt you know and and and knowing that and knowing that jt is also young and i'll get the opportunity to play against him and and the likes of others like spitz and jose johnson and and and have tournaments is something that um is in the back of my mind and and and something that will motivate me to get better and put myself in this position again. I mean, you know, for it to happen once is one thing, but to be in the fire two weeks in a row

is another, and I feel like I'm starting to develop into the player that I know that I can be. And I mean, I'm just so excited to kind of start breaking through and getting these opportunities and exposing myself to even more challenging task. I mean, they play TPC Sawgrass against and Bryson. When you showed up yesterday, Sunday into the final round, do you even feel different during warm-up

or was it not until kind of you said like shaking hands on the first tee that you were like, okay, this is different. It's really different the whole day. You know, you're trying not to think about it too much and you're trying to kind of downplay it. And I think, if anything, if there was a mistake that I made,

it was the fact that I kind of try to treat it too much like a normal day and at the end of it like it probably would have been better off just just understanding that it is different it's going to be different and uh it's going to be harder it's going to be way more amps than any round of ever like yeah go a little bit more jittery and then you get on the tea and it's like this time in my career people are chanting my name they're chanting j t's name i'm like i never got that big of a cheer just walking on the first you before. I hadn't even done it. I'm like drinking a bottle. It was a pretty crazy experience. I mean, at the same time, it's like an eerie feeling because you're like being watched in every

move. It never felt so like, you know, under the microscope, like trying to drink a bottle of water before it. Like, am I doing it right? So I look where you're doing this? Like I've been there, like I hope I don't look like I'm nervous because I am nervous and hell. So, you know, it's just all those things that are racing through your mind for like the first time. It was kind of like, getting ready to play the first round of the Masters, right? It's like, it's just wanting to do well that makes it the most nerve-wracking of all. And I think, again, the more I can put myself in that position, the easier and easier it'll get for sure.

Were you telling yourself not to pick your nose? Were you consciously thinking, I should not pick my nose today because everyone will see it? No, not necessarily. But it was just like, do I normally drink with the bottle of my nose? left hand or right hand? Like, what is going on? Like, I'm just in there, like, it took me a while.

So, like, some of the Nike gloves come in, like, a little zip-block back, and I'm, like, in there, and I'm, like, struggling to open the zip-block back, and I feel like, uh, they're probably laughing at me. And it just feels like everything you do is just, like, under the microscope,

and it's pretty funny. Like, you know, just everything. Everything feels different. It took me a while to just get the coin out of my pocket on the first hole to behind my ball. And, uh, yeah. I mean, just little things like that, trying to even write the score on my score on my scorecard. Like some of the fours on at least my strip of the scorecard.

I know that Justin always had a chance to win, so I'm trying to put perfect handwriting into the boxes on his end. But the little tear-off part, I'm like shaking like crazy, like trying zigzag fours. I'm like, whatever, that's good enough. But it was definitely a more amped up position to be in for sure. Where do the nerve stop to the point where you can even hit the golf ball, right? If you're struggling to write fours and threes and write on the scorecard and open up box, like open up zip lock bags, like how are you putting a good swing on the ball?

Is it just stop there? Like once you address the ball, are you back into your normal state? Or like I can't even fathom how you stop that? I mean, it's a, and the nerves never stop. You're in there. And I think as a young player, I mean, as a kid watching it on TV and you see, you can very easily see who is experienced and who is not, right? And you can see just quite comfortable until I made quad.

And then I was like, well, I need to get back into the tournament somehow and finish well. And it was like, well, that happened. So we might as well fight back. And like, there's nothing to lose at that point in time, especially. So the nerves ended there because I was no longer in the tournament. as far as winning it. And I was just there to try to have a high finish and leave the place with some.

Trying your best, you're trying to use all the experience you've packed as much as you can. But I mean, again, if you're not in that position before, it's really, really difficult to try to prepare yourself and try to predict what it'll feel like. And like, it was nothing, it was, I can't say it's not something that I've never done. before but it was just like never to that magnitude and to experience it at that magnitude was

really really cool and I'm really glad to kind of make that experience even more whole without people it might have been easier but with people it's definitely definitely a surreal experience yeah do you think having fans back makes makes it more nerve-wracking and tougher out there than it was you know for the last year or so yeah I mean I don't know if it's in more difficult or less difficult, but I will say it's definitely probably different. Like, I remember thinking back when we were watching the Masters last fall and trying to, like, put myself in the shoes of the players that are playing for the first time, and he's never played in a Masters before without fans.

And it's like, it's not the same because what makes the Masters great is, like, the patrons and like when someone makes eagle on 13 or 15 you know that it's an eagle and then you know who it is based off who made the eagle you know Jordan's roars are are a lot louder than some others and tigers roars are obviously you know just to be around that and like 17 stadium from everywhere on the golf course yesterday and you can tell someone him it's definitely complete experience when you have people around because that's what you dream of and that's what get you going and that's that's what you work hard for and um you know to have the opportunity or the honor of people chaining your name while you're walking down the fairways definitely something

players love at the end of the day and and just getting to experience that and and getting more experience in that situation is definitely going to be a lot more fun eventually in time uh was there much chatter at all with JT? I mean, I know it was a, it was an interesting round. As much as you, we talked about, like, you didn't have your best day. There are a couple holes added up. But for the first five or six holes, even though you're hitting it, not as well as you would have loved. Like, you're still in the area making pars. You're right there. The guys behind you were melting down, Bryson and Lee West were, like, hit it all over the place on four. Was there much chatter between you and JT throughout that and just kind of throughout the day at all?

Pretty much blinders down. He kind of did his own thing, stayed in his own little universe. And yeah, I think there's a lot to be said. I mean, I think when I come away with from learning with what JT did, it was understanding. Like, it was crazy to watch him go through his process throughout the day. Like, I was almost, I wasn't unnerved because I kind of expected that he would be in his own

and that he would be super focused. But, you know, obviously for me, like, when I'm playing strophlet, when I'm playing in tournaments, like, if I'm not really in the thick of it, like, we're just, like, out there and having fun and enjoying ourselves out there and focused, right, and playing really well. And it's obviously even more fun if you play well. But to see that and to see how competitive he is, Caddy talked to me more than JT did. And so it's something that I'll learn. For me, like, when I played in the USM, I played a match play, I was known for being pretty cold too and not talking a lot because all I wanted to do was win the match and get out of there

in as least amount of holes as possible and win as fast in J-P. He's just like he's in there. He's just trying to win. He needs to win, and he's putting all his energy into winning because it's such a nerve-wracking experience. And to see him deal with nerves, it wasn't even like he was like just super calm and like so stoic or anything like that.

It was like, no, he's just like a, he's a really, really, really good player, obviously, world-class. But like, you can still see that it's a very amped up situation. And he just, he was dealing with it and he was just like kind of embracing it instead of me over here, just trying to like treat it like any other rounds. And it was like, his mentality was kind of like, no, this is a big moment. This is different than the first three days.

This is not just any other tournament. I wanted to talk to him. He's definitely someone that I look up to. But obviously, he's in there doing a job. And obviously with a couple of bad holes, I just ended up being kind of a spectator to the side. Did you find yourself like rooting, like rooting for it? like when his ball on 18, when it was hooking a little more than he wanted, like, were you, like, lean in for it to stay and play?

Or we're, like, because I just feel like when you're with, when you're watching somebody play like that, you're with him the whole day, my natural instinct would be to, like, root for him a little bit. I mean, he's one of my favorite players to watch on tour. I mean, again, he's someone that I've always looked up to, and it was so cool. Especially when you're having a bad day like that,

you want to come away with something that's, like, you know, unforgettable and and obviously getting to watch him actually win the tournament is like something that I go to bed at night thinking about and and and trying to empathize and put myself in his shoes and see what that would feel like I mean I got the shit next to Patrick Reed at Butler Cabin when he won. Francis liked the environment he was but to actually watch and to realize that he honestly in Sunday with all those nerves and so realizing that if I could just figure out how to get more comfortable, that I can do that and watch it happen and actually get to

experience what it feels like to be on the 18th dream. And the fact that like, just like the little thing of like signing the scorecard of the winner of the player's championship is like my signature was forever on that card that he won with. So like that's pretty amazing to think about. And like, again, it's just like a lot of motivation moving. It's very interesting to hear you talk about realizing, like, oh, JT could win, and, like, my penmanship on this scorecard better be pretty dialed in because that scorecard is going to be some places.

Yeah, I mean, you don't want some, like, chicken scratch on a piece of history, you know? It's like, no, like, we're going to put some thought and effort into this, especially after I made eight. It's like, I'm glad I don't have to put eight. Sometimes you accidentally put your own score on somebody's card and then flip it onto your little, you know, meaningless strip on top of the card. And how terrible would it have been

if I put an 8 there and had to scratch it out and be like, I'm not even 4 there. You know, and Susan, they're like, I can't mess this up. He had to win this tournament and I would hate for it to be framed with like a Sharpie mark just scratching out at 8. He was like, no, no, no.

He had a birdie putt there. No, man, he had way less chance there. So it's definitely a little, It's different. It's like these are the little things, right? Like the water bottle, the scorecard, the stuff that it's very, it's very cool to hear about because on TV, it's like you just, you see the golf shots. And once someone's like not in contention, they just sort of fade. And you forget that like, you're there for the whole thing. You're out there hitting all of the shots. You're playing all of the holes. You're right next to everything that's going on. And I think, too, it's cool to hear, you know, like you said, that there's almost like a confidence. booster in that what you saw Sunday from JT, you know you have yourself. He did it the day before. You know, you go 71, 67, 68 on the exact same golf course that he did it under, you know, pretty, pretty intense pressure, just not quite Sunday pressure. So I do, you know, I feel like I could see how you'd have confidence knowing like, no, that round that he posted like 68,

I can, I did that. I can absolutely do that. I just need to figure out a way to do it on Sunday. Yeah. I guess that was the most obflicting thing about it all, knowing that watching it happened, it was like,

it was nothing really out of, like, I won't say out of the ordinary, right, if it's not the right word, because obviously playing that well on that difficult

of a golf course is special and it's really hard to do. But again, it's like the top players in the world and if you think that you want to be a top player in the world that is like the expectation and that is the level of normalcy that you need to have to win the tournament and and to understand that you don't really need to do like crazy and wondrous things you just have to play really solid and give yourself enough chances and try to capitalize when you do have the opportunity

for Birdie or for Eagle. And, you know, if you're opportunistic and capitalized on those opportunities, that's the day you win. And JT did those things. And he made some mistakes, too. He three played twice. And I was shocked. He held it together and really dug down deep.

Again, it's just stuff that I know I'm capable of. And we'll go back down to the drawing board. One of the big storylines, especially yesterday, was like the purpose. versus in the money. A lot of people talking about how JT's caddy was like checking the money list after he's walking out of the scoring room and Bryson lipping out on 18 to lose $405,000 or $450,000. Is that something that you guys on like, you're so young, so it probably doesn't matter. But like, are you thinking about that with every single shot coming down towards the end? Like where are we going to finish like this? Even if you make an eight throughout the day,

like, all right, let's just like keep it going so we can get a little bit higher on the leaderboard to make more money. Like, is that something you're thinking about or no? Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's our job, right? So, like, we're in there and, like, everyone's, like, even at the start of the week, it's like, if I can just make the cut, I know I'm getting, like, basically double as I would normally in a normal tournament. So it's like if I could, I think, like, last place money for people who make the cut, just, like, almost, it's probably around 30K. You're in there. It's like, if I finish middle of the pack, that's like 100K right there, right? So, like, you're in. So, like, you're in. there and you're grinding your butt off and obviously every important and like the FedEx

Cup points is important as well world ranking points are up for grabs it's basically considered a major so like you're in there and you're trying to accumulate as many points as possible uh and as much money as possible um but i mean it's not the main motivator obviously uh obviously when when shit hits the fan and you make it eight and like the main motivator at that point is like okay like if I shoot 300 in the back I could still you know that's like you know it could be like 150k you know at the end of the day so it's like well team putter so it's like why when I go out here and try to win some money on this back time you know which to me that's like such a motivator even for playing poorly right like if you're in one of those final groups on

Sunday you have a bad start in the front nine. Like that back nine becomes just as competitive as the front because it's like, let's make some cash back. Like every single spot you move up is a significantly more amount of money, especially in the players. So that's such a cool thing that like I feel like the average fan just watching golf doesn't understand and why we should see some of these guys. And especially on the screen, we should see what they're putting for on 18 and 17.

Like they should have these counters up there. Like, all right, this put is for like an extra $35,000. How intense would that be? Us just sitting there watching you guys, like grind over putts, even though you're fucking six over? Like, all right, this is a fucking $35,000 put right now. That would be so unreal. Yeah, absolutely.

Like, they probably didn't show on the broadcast. So when JCP made a Eagle pot 11, he did that putter swing, you know, and you just grabbed the lead. And, like, I have like a, you up and down, I must say it from the left rough. It was pretty screaming from there. But I somehow got it to, like, bump and run. it like this hybrid flop shot bump and run shot just to get to like 12 feet and I made it and I did my own version of it just to kind of you know make fun of myself because like I'm in here just trying to like somehow backdoor this top 10 after making eight you know and I'm trying to get myself fired up and I finally make a put for birdie I'm like okay right like three more birdies we're right there in the top 10 and top 10 is like anywhere from 200 to 300 k for the week

or 400K, I guess, this movie's telling me. So it's like, you're in there and you're just grinding your butt off, seeing if you can make a run for that money because you're like, dang, that's like, I mean, there's more money than most people can dream of making in that week, especially.

So you're sitting there like, okay, you have a special chance to do this. It's like a tournament within the tournament. And like, also at the end of the day, too, it's like, tennis co points are up for grabs. and at the end of the day, if you're trying to make it into East Lake,

every point really does count. And if you want to talk about money, if you make it the East Lake, obviously, every something to play for no matter where you are. Yeah, I think I saw that Westy's putt on 18, his birdie putt, ended up making him 500 grand more because that puppy went in instead of being a split,

I think it would have been a three-way split for second. He ends up solo second and made him 500K more for like a little 15-foot birdie putt on 18. It's crazy to think about. And, like, I mean, it's easy to feel like you have something to lose when you're up there. But, I mean, again, it's not like they give you the money, and then you miss the put, and then they take you back away from you. When you're in there, especially in a situation like that where you have that birdie putt's,

like, you're in there thinking, like, I have everything to gain. this put and I'm sure Lee Westwood at that point it's like well if I'm going to lose this tournament it might as well make 500k more than I would have losing the tournament so there's a very thrilled there's a very good idea have the stack of money like the World Series

of poker off the side of the green and then before Lee Westwood cuts they stack the money next to him and they say if you make this put this what you make and if he misses it they just take all that money back and they put it back on the pile that's a great idea I mean, sometimes that's what it feels like mentally for sure.

You're like, when you look at a position of the airport, it feels like that you own that spot. You own the money that's going to be on case to that spot. And then you miss a pod and you're like, okay, that pile just got lighter. Dude, next to the guy is holding your names. Next to the guy's holding your names, they should have a guy walking a cart just with stack is like a cash, just like what you're at at that point

and then you keep peering over, be like, is that thing getting bigger or smaller right now? Like, are they actually taking money away from my cart right now or are they putting it on? Because I don't know. I was just in the woods and I couldn't get out. I like it.

They should have like a separate standard bear with like poker chips for how much money we would have and we finish here. And then you make a bogey and you see like a couple of stacks come off. They just flick a chip. They flick a chip to the gallery.

on the side. Someone catches this. It's like not his anymore. Go put that on the next call. That would be brutal. That would be absolutely brutal. Oh, man. That golf course, what do you think of that golf course? Because as a fan, it delivers, especially on Sunday when you tune in. That golf course just delivers. It looks impossible. There's trouble everywhere. People find the trouble. But as a player, what do you know, what do you think of the golf course coming down the stretch? I mean, it's pretty genius. I mean, if you look at the leaderboard,

how many different players had a chance to win? You get a guy like JT's pretty well-rounded in every facet of the game. You got Bryson who hits it a gazillion miles. You have Matt Fitzpatrick who hits it on a string, but definitely not quite as far. And then, you know, you have Brian Harmon, who also is like a shorter hitter and they all have a chance to win.

Lee Westwood hit spades, you know, I hit draws. So like it doesn't really benefit one guy more than the other. It's really just who has their wits about them. It kind of just like, it doesn't matter what shot shape, how high or how low you hit it, you're a good putter or chipper. It's like any insecurity, because everyone ever has an insecurity in their game for sure, It's like it dares you on certain holes for sure and you have to get through it and you have to kind of basically face your fear and try to commit as much as possible.

And then not to mention the money and the tournament itself and how much it means to so many different players. Yeah, I mean, it's just like it's just daunting as it gets, I guess. I mean, it's just like a major championship. I can only imagine, I mean, playing in games. contention in a major that it would feel pretty similar. But yeah, that golf course is, it just, it just dares you to hit a good shot. It makes you feel uncomfortable. Even the easy holes, like four, for example, like I couldn't believe after the round seeing where Bryson and Lee West

would hit it, but then I heard T-ball, like the fair way that you see is not the fair way that you have to aim at. You only have to aim at a fair way that you can't. You're trying to focus so hard on this line. It makes you do weird things when you can't see the fair way that you're trying to try. trying to land the ball in. But you see fairway that you're going to hit over and pass into the rough. So like in there, comfortable and constantly having to start a ball over trouble. And like, you know, if you have what it takes, you're going to put it right down there. And if not, you know, you might buckle.

It is, it does feel like that the whole, pretty much the whole day when you're watching that anybody can, can, you know, buckle. And it feels like on any hole when you're when they sort of like when you get to watch them over and over again. And this is pretty much every day with the coverage with players especially because, you know, the course is iconic and the tournaments are so big that like watching over and over again and sort of knowing a little bit what to expect and getting to the point where you know like where the misses are and where's going to be a good outcome and where's not going to be a good outcome. as a viewer, it's almost, it's almost like evil that we're kind of like snickering, like, okay, like we know what's going to happen from there, man. And then watching it actually happen is just fascinating television.

Yeah, and it's funny because you talk about like where to miss it at TBC Sawgrass. It's like other courses, it's like you could miss in the left for us and still have a shot where you can miss in this bunker, but a lot of the time, the myths that you can have, before it starts to get really dicey or else you can have to do something amazing to make part. The one game he missed, I can't miss much. Yeah, I would say, I would say it probably is.

Hodda Classic this week, I don't think you have a ton of history there. What's your mindset? Have you shifted to the Honda Classic yet, or have we not gotten there yet? In tournament at PG National. We played last year, too. I didn't bear very well.

But again, was going through some transitions with the ball swing. and just mentally. But, yeah, I feel good. It's kind of a similar thing to this week where it's a daunting golf course as well. It's difficult. A lot of guys don't like going there because it's so hard.

But yeah, it'll be a fun experience. If I keep doing what I'm doing now, I mean, after what I experienced, I mean, I experienced pretty tough conditions at Bay Hill and it kind of propelled me forward to go into sawgrass. I can only imagine what the players and Sunday at the players will do for me going into this week. And I feel like I have every reason to believe that I could be there again on Sunday.

And so I'll go back to the drawing board and do what I need to do Monday through Wednesday to get myself back there. But my game is in a good spot. And I'm just excited. Oh, yeah. Love that. What's Luke, is Luke still there? What's he cooking up this time? Are you guys superstitious?

So you have to, like, cook different dinners now since, you know, maybe Sunday didn't go as well as you wanted to? Yeah, I think the salmon that he cooked on Saturday night was a little chinkier. It was probably what it was. But, no, me, so Micah, my caddy, Micah, Luke and I all stay together. Mike is like a grill master. So as long as we have a grill, you get a grilled wings, chicken, pork tenderloin, all this stuff and then Luke is like the sous chef in the back that does all the

vegetables and he's roasting everything and they usually time it together and I'm like just in my room just chilling out and I get like like rib eyes house and all this stuff and I'm like fuck okay I don't think anyone's eating as well as that's just me it's been pretty great oh yeah I love that that's a good little squad that's a good team um all right Doug we'll drive safe um we appreciate it as always awesome work this last week. I know again, Sunday didn't go how you wanted to, but that's three really, really good rounds,

and you're getting, you know, I think you're getting closer and closer and you're young. So that's pretty sweet. And you made $96,000. So that's also pretty, I mean, that's not bad. 1329 finish, that's a sure. All right, Doug. Thanks, man.

We really appreciate it. Thanks, man. Always love being on the pod. I'll be back soon. Hell yeah. Love that. man anytime thanks bro thanks Doug i was going to hop on uh yeah with you guys oh yeah Doug what are you what your Xbox or PlayStation or PC uh I'm I'm Xbox but I'm gonna try to get a PS5 uh when I get back

yeah so Trent and I and Riggs we're all in we're all on Xbox and that's like we can we can do some alternate shot we can do a little tournaments so that would be fun um like whatever day's best we could do anytime so just let us know. Yeah, absolutely. Do you bring it with you on the road? Like, you can just play, like, from the Honda? Yeah.

We bring the X-Parts every week, so we're down. We would love to play. All right, so let's try and get that on the schedule. I would love to do some alternate shot. Trent and I are an absolute weapon on the virtual golf course. So that'll be kind of fun. Maybe it'll be Riggs and Doug versus Trent and I and some alternate shot. I don't want rigs.

He's got the claw. If you want to get competitive, you grab your own partner, though. I know Trent has that buttery cut, even in the virtual world. It's crazy. Doesn't miss a fair way. And he drains putts. So I've got my- I'm going to work on my game.

I'm going to work on my game. All right. Maybe we'll play some-97 at Ribb. Well, now, listen, you're going to have to play Butter's Bay, my course, and I am the architect. So I know all the ins and outs to that track. we're definitely going to take... I think I might be more nervous to play Butter's Day than I was yesterday and possibly will see.

Yes. Unreal, dude. All right, let's get that thing going like ASAP. Yeah, we'll talk offline and we'll get that schedule. People will love that. Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. All right.

Thanks, Doug. Thank you, Dougie. See you, guys. See you, Luke. All right, see you.