Fore Play - The Postman, and What Is Reading?

Episode Date: October 8, 2020

J.T. Poston (19:15) joins the show for the first time. We discuss a freak eye injury on the driving range at Winged Foot, flat brims, Bryson bombing balls into the equipment trucks in Vegas, and being the “other JT.” In Fore Play news, Trent’s been reading and Riggs claims he has been too, but there’s some debate around his definition of “reading.” Also: who’s the best current player on the pod, Phil’s decided to embarrass the seniors again, and John Daly makes an ace on a green with 11 holes!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. J.T. Posten, the Postman, is on this show for the very first time. We chat with him for about 35 minutes. We're going to give that to you here in just a couple minutes. He finished third last week at the Sanderson Farms. He came to us live from Las Vegas, where he's at the Shriners Hospitals for Children Open, which I have to say slowly because at the beginning it's two plural or words that end with Fs,

which really messes me up. Anyways, we have a whole squad right now. We got myself, Trent, Lurch, Frankie, and we are, as always, assisted behind the scenes. They do all the hard work, Jake Bass and Brendan Jones. Gentlemen, good afternoon. How are you? I want to say one thing about the J.C. Post an interview, a little addement, if you will, if that's a word.

At some point, we get on the topic of hats because Frankie is wearing a, like a different Islanders hat today. And then we get on the topic of baseball players that used to wear the padded helmets. I said Craig Counsel, and that was completely wrong. That just wasn't a guy who wore that. So save your tweets because you're going to hear this first, and then you're going to hear me say something incorrect. It is not Craig Counsel.

It's another player. I think David Wright wore one at some point. So just save your tweets, don't yell at me. Didn't he wear a helmet in the field? You wore a helmet at first base. So we're talking about the, there's a guy on the Mets that was a pitcher, like maybe three or four years ago, that had just the biggest hat of all time. Alex Torres.

That's who it is. So I was wrong. It's very beneficial for you that we're able to do the podcast after the interview, because otherwise it'd be five days until you'd be able to respond to all the hate incoming. So you got very lucky with it. Also, we commented on the Craig Council while we're like, oh, what a great poll. random name to like just think of it. We actually commented on Craig Council,

so it's good that you jumped ahead of this. I agree. It is. There's a good field this week at the out in Las Vegas. They're there for a couple weeks. Brooks Keppig is going to play next week at the CJ Cup out at Shadow Creek. Bryson's back this week. Matt Wolff's back this week. And so just kind of getting the scoop, getting the general preview for that tourney and talking about

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Trent, I saw on Twitter that you read a book this weekend. Is that correct? I did. I read John Grisham's the partner this weekend. Why did you go with John Grisham, by the way? So I want to get back into reading. I still read a little bit, but I want to read more. I know that sounds like a nerdy thing,

but I just feel better when I'm reading. My brain feels healthier. I feel like I'm a better writer when I'm reading books. So I want to jump back into it, and I wanted something that wasn't like too challenging of a read that I knew would fly by. That would be a great story that would just get me flipping the pages. and I know I've read a couple other John Grisham books in the past,

so I picked just one that I hadn't read yet, and I flew through it this weekend. You know, run away jury? I have not read that one, no. That's a good one. That might be my favorite book out there. No, I haven't read that one. Trent, people might not know that you're an English major, by the way.

Yeah, I didn't actually graduate. I'm a semester short of graduating because I got the barstool offer many moons ago. I had 12 credits left. I got the barsule offer and I said, I'm just going to take my dream job that I want. I don't need, you know, proof that I read all these Shakespeare and Chaucer works. So I just, you know, I skipped town. But I was an English major before I took the job, yes. I will say that photo right above your head there makes you look like an English professor

and also golfer in the background. So Riggs, well done on the troll drama of his actual degree. I'm sure you knew that. but it wasn't a troll I'm trying to give Trent to talk about reading he writes blogs for a living I think that people would be served service to know that your background

is indeed in English even though you're a semester short but who you know who gives a shit your semester short I really when I was an English major I really had no goal or end in sight except the one that I ended up on which was blogging and working for Barstall sports because I was an English major without like the teacher certificate, which is what most people do where you're an English major, but then once you're done, you also have the teacher certificate so you can go be a teacher somewhere. I was just an English

major, so I would have just known things about Shakespeare and then, but I would have been panhandling on the street. Yeah, I was going to say English major is one of those majors that people only do it so they can then teach other people that major. And then that's just the whole cycle. Yeah, my thing was, I'm going to go to college for this because I want to improve my writing. And you do read a lot as an English major and that improves your writing, but also it freed up my schedule where I started to run my own blog. I started to do my own thing. So it was a freedom thing, but I also wanted to become a better writer. So it all kind of worked out and thank God I got the job. I, uh, so I've been a big audiobook guy this last year because fly so much, travel so much and and when you, you know,

flights, you're kind of going through security the whole time and you're on the plane. You kind of want to put your head down. So it's not as easy to like open up the book. So I've been doing audio books. And I read shoe dog the Phil Knight kind of autobiography about Nike and the entire history of the whole thing. I think it was a Jake Fass recommendation. And I just finished it yesterday. Did this?

What's up? You claim that you read this book? Audio book. I claim that I read it. So that's an interesting question because my ears perked up on that as well. I'm fine if people want to say that they read a book listening to it.

I'm totally fine with that. I just want you to know that there's going to be people out there who don't count it. Really? Well, you're quite literally not reading it, so what are we doing here? Yeah, I'm going to say no on that. I'm going to say you listen to a book. Right, you didn't read a thing.

I read it. What are you talking about? No, one person- Literally didn't read anything. You read the title. But I, no, no, I'm not, like, I don't think, um, like I consumed the book is the same to me as being like you read the book. You've read it.

You're now, you're now versed to discuss what happens. in the book. That's the same thing as reading. You listen to the book. You consume the book, correct? You did not read the book. You cannot say, I read this book last week. If someone comes to me, if someone comes to me and says yes or no, have you read shoe dog, I'm going to say yes, I've read shoe dog. But no, see, this is like a whole in one debate, I guess, because you have to now follow it up with an answer saying, well, I listen.

Why? Why? Because you listened to it. You didn't read it. Did I comprehend it less? Did I, like, no, you just didn't read it. because I went through my ears and not through my eyes? No, you just didn't read it. All that stuff you did, you just didn't read the book. But the point of somebody asking, did you read this book, is it to be like, I want to know what you physically did for X amount of time? It's to know if you have now downloaded the information that they also have

so that you could discuss it. I don't know, man. I'm trying to think about something where you can consume something in two different avenues, but like the historical way is like you read it. Like there's something out there where you like, you watched a movie but then you read like the excerpt. Or like, you know, there's like there's something there that I know there's another example.

Listening to a book is much more passive than reading a book. And I get to what you're saying where you still have the information, but it's just, it's different. And using the verbiage, I read this book after like people don't say they read this podcast. They listen to this podcast. Correct. You know what I mean? It's just a different, like I said at the, like, I agree and I'm okay with you saying you read the book, but I know there's going to be people like Frankie and Lurch who are like, you did not read that. I don't read or try to listen to this fucking guy and I don't want to drag him through the mud. I'm sure he's a smart dude. Dr. Michael T. Lardton, he wrote this fucking book, mastering golf's mental game. I thought it'd be a fun little thing to learn, like, how to master my mental golf game. I didn't read this book. I barely listened to.

it was 15 bucks i don't know i think that this guy made me worse mentally i mean listening to someone else teaching me about my brain is just not gonna i mean i don't know he had some good stories of phil and stuff i also listened to it on a fucking plane and like the person that was running the plane like the fucking um attendants and stuff this this lady was talking a lot she was person running a plane you don't you know you got flight attendants you got high that's pretty much it flight attendant was the flight attendant was was speaking a lot she was it was it was theatrical performance. Every time I'd hit play on this thing, he'd be like,

nesting the girls' game. And then she'd be like, we have nice ice cold Coca-Cola's. And I'm like, it was just a sensory overload and I couldn't focus. I really just couldn't do it. So I stopped. I actually deleted it off my phone. I don't want it on my phone anymore. But just to go back, if we transcribe this podcast,

which would be a nightmare for people, it would just be a bunch of likes and, uh, and dumb shit. If we transcribe this podcast, there would be a difference between someone reading this podcast and someone listening to this podcast. You would not say, like, if it was a known thing that this podcast got transcribed and put on the blog

and someone was like, oh, did you like, did you read like four plays episode yesterday? You can't say yes if you just listen to the audio version. Like, there would be two versions. There'd be an audio version and then an actual sit down,

take your cup of coffee, cross your legs, look out of the weather coming in and read it. I guess it all boils down to me of the point of asking a question of did you read or did you listen to something, that point is to understand what that person is knowledgeable of now, like what level of knowledge they have on this subject so that you can then proceed properly with like a conversation about it. So to me, like people read a book and all

the time it's laughed about that you'll go four or five pages and be like, oh, what the fuck did I just read? I zoned out. I spaced out. I have no idea. So I don't think that there's like a deeper level necessarily of comprehension of the subject matter, whether you read it or whether you audiobook it. So if my answer, again, if like, if someone came to me and said, how precisely did you consume the story about Phil Knight and Nike? I listen to an audiobook.

But if someone just says like, oh, in conversation, have you read that? I wouldn't be like, yeah, but technically Frankie and Lurch are, you know, nitpicky little bitches. And so they claim that I haven't read them. I'm not going to do that. No, you guys say you listen to the other bit because the definition of read is to actually see things, look at the,

and comprehend the meaning of by mentally interpreting the characters or symbols from which it has been composed. Literally, you're interpreting what you're seeing on a piece of paper, discovering information by reading it in a written or printed source. You're not like, you're not reading it like you're reading it green. You're not interpreting something. You're literally just like you're consuming. Let me say this. If I'm doing an interview for Nike,

and one of the questions is a yes or no question, it's like a questionnaire before you, like, get to the physical interview. It's like a questionnaire about you. And one of those is like, have you read shoe dog by Phil Knight, yes or no? You think I should say no in that instance?

I think you, right? You hopefully there's a right. I think they're asking the question. I think I'm leaning towards no. No. No. No. So I think you say yes.

I think that's a no for me, dog. I think that's a no for me. You didn't read it. Because like if there's like, if they're like, no, you'd be like, well, I didn't read it. I listened to the audio book, but no, I didn't read the book.

Like, what are you a fucking idiot? You don't get why we're asking the question? Of course you read it. My only beef, it'd be like you're out of the process. Like, you're so dumb. You didn't even understand why we're asking the question. I agree with that.

If it comes up. Ever being asked under a fucking lung. They would just cancel. your involvement. They would just say you're out. But it'd be like, this person's not on a high enough intelligence to work here because he doesn't even get why we asked the question.

How about this? Sorry. How about this? If you took a lie detector test, they hooked you up to a machine and someone asked, have you read the book shoe dog? And you said, yes, I would be fascinated at the results. I think the results, you would pass. I think you would pass.

You don't think it's insane that you said, I've been big on audiobooks and last week I read Chew Dog. That sentence that you said before that sparked this whole thing. You don't think that's an insane thing for us to not comment on where you're like, all I do is listen to audiobooks now and the other day I read Chew Dog. That's just the complete opposite things of what you just say. No, because the whole point of that sentence was to say that Trent and I have had a very similar experience of entertainment, in my opinion, over the last four or five days.

We each like read a book. We each consumed a book. You listen to it, just like you listen to a podcast. You didn't fucking do it. You could literally be doing a million different things. You could be jerking off. You could be fucking playing video games. You're listening to it.

Right. That's the one part that I disagree with Riggs on is that you, I don't think you would know the material as well because although you did say you zone out sometimes you're reading a book and that is true. But I think when you're listening to something, you can zone out for 20 minutes and you miss all of that. And you're not going to go back like you would go back and read.

the book. So I think you're less engaged when you're listening to an audiobook as opposed to reading. But bottom line for me, you can say you read the book if you want to. In this audio book, discovering, mastering your mental game by Michael T. Larden, man, that guy stinks.

I don't want to, like, that book stunk. But here's the other thing. At one point, he's like, use this book as like your notebook, as your, like, write notes in it, highlight, do whatever, like, let this be a journal. And I'm just sitting there on a plane being like, I ain't fucking doing any of this shit. I'm just listening

to you telling me how to think. Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of hot garbage that you consume. Oh, God, it was the worst book. I literally typed in mental golf. I'm sure it's a great book. I'm sure if you have some sort of mental capacity. I do appreciate that you were in such a dark place

that you decided to look up mental approaches to golf and then read a book about it. I didn't read. I listened to it and I deleted it off my phone. I never wanted to see it again. I will say, I don't necessarily recommend the partner by John Grisham. It's good until the last three pages and then they switch up the ending a little bit and that made me furious. So I won't go as far as to recommend that book to anybody. Yeah, I saw you kind of shitting out. You said the ending stinks out loud, which is not a good.

That's not a good side for the book. Yeah, it wasn't great. All right. We got some from the galleries and some headlines to get into. But first I want to throw it to JT. Post and again, this was a cool interview. First time we ever talked with him, really, his catty air and cleaner gets brought up a amount. He interacts with us quite a bit on social and has for several years. So these are cool guys who, again, we've never really gotten into it with before. Reminder, before we get to this, that cross-country mortgage, they are America's crazy good mortgage company. They combine a people-first mindset with a dedication to the fundamentals of mortgage lending. It results in a fast, easy, and stress-free home financing experience.

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Then we'll be back after the interview. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're joined by another very special guest, PGA Tour winner, 2019 got his first PGA Tour win. I think you're coming off a third place finished last week, so playing some good golf, 61st-ranked player in the world, JT. Poston, live from Vegas. How's Vegas treating you? Man, so far so good. It's hot.

We're used to be in here a little later in October around Halloween, and it's a lot cooler, but it's hot this week. But weather's great for usual and looking forward to a good week. How is, I mean, is Vegas like a problem? Like when you guys go to Vegas for the tournament, is that like, oh, shit, everyone's kind of playing on 70%? Or are you just chilling in your hotel room? It can be.

So this year's a little different. Normally we're only here for a week, and you got a lot more guys staying on the strip, and especially with everything going on with COVID. I think more guys are staying away from. it, but normally, yeah, I mean, I've always stayed down there on the strip. It can be a lot of fun. You've got to kind of bring yourself in sometimes.

But now that we're here, and we're here for two weeks with CJ Cup next week. So I think a lot of guys are staying kind of out away from the strip, renting houses like we did this week and just trying to avoid it as much as we can. It's, I mean, you guys are all on the whoop train. We got the whoop too, so it would be interesting to see some of the recovery levels I like Saturday. There'll be some good ones. There'll be some some that are probably under 5% a couple nights, I would guess.

The caddies are probably who I'd be more worried about. Yeah, I know. They got to love this Vegas week. This is one where they're probably telling us to be able to others. Like, no, we're actually like, we know you guys love the Mexico trip. We're going to bring you with a spa, but this is like a boys trip. This is our week. This is our week.

Everybody stay at home. They're a caddy convention. They have it at like the Las Vegas Convention Center. basically. It's all just like shots of whiskey and like huge yogis and stuff. I'm just thinking of, I'm basically just picturing Dewey when I talk about that. Like Josh is,

that's all I'm picturing. It's him in Vegas, going to a convention, eating a lot of shit and just drinking as much as he can possibly. Yeah, he's got his own beer. I mean, surely he'll have a six pack of those with him.

I mean, he's got his own beer named after him. He does. He's got like the calves. What is it called? Yeah, milk or something like that. I just forget the name of it, but the pictures.

is this big old cab on the on the on the can buddy of mine that I played high school golf with sent me a picture of it and had I was actually paired with him the next day he asked him about it and he's like yeah come on beer like it's nothing doy's the best uh we love caddies caddies are like we we've had a ton of caddies in the show we're big caddies guy your boy fleeter who we were talking about before kind of set you up I've interacted with him quite a bit he uh he told me to ask you where handsomeness and singing vocals ranked during the caddy search two and a half years ago um i knew about the i knew about the singing obviously i'd witness that firsthand the handsome party's still working on i think but uh dude it's

top of the list i mean i've had the guy that's the veteran and been out there 20 years that everybody talks about it's like oh yeah you got to have the guy that knows the courses that's BS so you got to have a guy that's going to be fun and like as a buddy of yours and that's he's perfect i mean you can't get any better than Fleener. What's the, I'm always curious about that, like the courting process. You hear different stories, like in terms of getting paired up and finding your guy or looper, like, how does that, what's the background of that? How does that work?

It's a lot of timing. I mean, for us, it was very much timing. We were friends even before we started working together because he was working for Yeager, who's a good friend of mine still is. And it's just, the timing was right. I was kind of ready to make a change myself. was kind of waiting for the right opportunity. And I think that's kind of how most of that process goes.

But he and Yeager decided to split up. They both felt like it was a good play. And when it happened, I jumped on it pretty quick because I felt like it'd be a lot of fun. And we'd work well together. And so far it's been great. I like that. So we've got to talk about what can flip. Let's go to, you know, Thursday.

I believe you posted like one over 71, something like that. You played pretty well. It's the U.S. Open. It's at Wingfoot. There's all the hype about the course, and it's going to be impossible, and we were all pumped about it. And then you go to the driving range after, and what happened after? Just a freak accident. I mean, I do it all the time. I'll go after my round to hit some balls and try and work on what I feel like I can improve on.

And that week, obviously, it was hitting more fairways. You got to hit get the ball in the fairway. And so I felt like I played good the first day and was in. I knew I was going to be in a good spot by the time I teed it up on Friday afternoon. And so I wasn't planning on going out there and hitting balls for hours. I just was trying to get loose again after eating some lunch, hit an iron iron rock shot up and hit me in the left eye and pretty much scratched my cornea pretty bad. And I couldn't see. My vision was real blurry out of that eye.

Couldn't see the golf ball. And I had to go see a specialist. And he basically told me everything was going to be. fine. There wasn't any permanent damage or anything. I just had to let it heal for a few days, but unfortunately I didn't have three or four days to do that. So he was like, if it's better tomorrow, give it a try. It's like it's not going to get worse, but it's probably going to be like this for a couple of days. And it was a little better Friday, but my depth perception was definitely off. So not ideal when you're trying to play probably the hardest golf course I've ever

played. Riggs knows a lot about the eye surgeries, eye problems with depth perception and getting things fixed and so, so I'm sure he can definitely talk to you more about what that's like recovering. My game went into a big slump after I had eye surgery for about a year. It's tough to recover. Hopefully I don't need to go that far, but I mean, it was the funny part, Fliner, I told Flenner my, my depth perception was so bad. I felt like when I teed the ball up, I couldn't tell how high it was teed up. So I would actually, sometimes I'd like kind of bend over just to see. And eventually he just got to the point where he'd just be like, it's good, dude.

Just you're not going to pop it up. You're not going to. It's good. So he kind of was jabbing at me all day on Friday. We made, I mean, it was a weird deal, tough break, but we made the best of it, I guess. You didn't, you can't see how, so like, if you can't see that, that perception of how high the ball is on the tee, how are you hitting the golf ball? Like is it that your swing is so dialed in and it doesn't matter? It's just, yeah, I mean, it's repetition.

I mean, like, it wasn't so bad that I couldn't see the golf ball. It was just very blurred. So, like, I could see the club behind the ball. And obviously, I guess, had hit enough balls where I felt comfortable enough to do that. But there were definitely some shots that I hit that were, like, like, kind of little heavy, chunky shots that I don't normally hit or, like, some, I chunked a punch. put on on the first green my tenth hole today just 25 foot or straight up the hill and I chunked it left it eight feet short I mean and you just kind of I just kind of had to laugh about it just little things like that but the fact you're able to do that I guess kind of hurts my argument we had a huge

debate on last week's show about Sergio putting with his eyes closed and I was just like well you have to at some point it's not easier to play with your eyes closed like let's not art like it can't be the argument that I don't know how he does that. Because it was hard enough with blurred vision, but I could still see the ball. And like you can see, like you can, you still have an idea of where you're aimed and stuff like that. But if you close your eyes, I don't, I don't know how he makes anything outside of a foot. Thank you.

That's my point. Much less when it's for the win on the last, even if think we hit it to a foot on the last hole. I don't know. I mean, how do you make that put with that much pressure? your eyes were closed we were talking about it once you're over the ball you've looked at the put you think you know what it's going to do once you're over the ball what percentage out of a hundred of your put is due to your eyes like how much would how much credit do you give your eyes in that scenario after you've already looked and you're over it i still i mean it's still

95 percent i think that's the same percentage value what the fuck man that's not good for us Well, my whole deal is so like my putting, I've got a line. A lot of guys use a line and you've got a line on your putter. You can line it up and everything, but you're trying to hit that. For me, I'm trying to hit that line. So I'm focused on, I'm using my eyes, obviously. I'm focused on that the whole time until I make contact. So if I close my eyes, I can't.

I mean, you're just trusting that your feel and that your strokes money. But I guess for him, it was to the point where he probably tried some other things. It wasn't working. and he just was going to give it a shot, and it's worked. I guess, like, I really, I really didn't give enough credit to how crazy it is that he won a PJ Tour event putting with his fucking eyes closed. Yeah, I got beat by a guy that putted with his eyes closed last week. It felt great.

Just outrageous. I can't, yeah, because, again, like, we've debated, like, blindfolded if PGA Tour guys, because your swings are so ingrained at so much muscle. memory that I've debated that I think you guys would still be able to beat average golfers like us blindfolded because someone just tells you like, no, you're lined up perfectly, and then you guys could just swing. And now I'm a little bit in between because I think you shot like 82 or something at Wingfoot from in the US Open with one eye was just blurry. So it's like that's sort of, it's not it's not playing horror. Like other people play worse than you and they

had both eyes. So it's very, I'm very, I'm still split on. Yeah, I think there's some guys that probably could do it, that they're so, their muscle memory and everything's so ingrained that they could, they could actually, you'd be surprised how well they'd be able to hit it. But me, I don't think so. I think I'd be out there. I'd still be out there trying to hit the golf ball. I wouldn't say yes. I need my eyes. Something a little bit related. I was going back and watching highlights from when you wanted wind them last year. and you come to the 72nd hole. It's a 508 yard par four. I know it's downhill, but you go three wood. You're leading the tournament at the time.

You go three wood. And I think it's like Gotti Pepper. It's like, I've been following them all day. I haven't seen him do this, but he didn't even use a tee. You just did like the little turf tea and then ripped a three wood on the 72nd hole basically off the turf. What's the, why did you do that? Yeah.

So the turf tea for me is, so 18's obviously downhill. And so for me, I was trying to just get something that was going to chase down there. I could hit my normal three wood. And it'd probably come out a little higher and may not chase. But it was kind of one of those scenarios. Driver was too much with the adrenaline and everything. If I smoked it, it could have gone too far. And so three wood was the play.

But I didn't want to leave myself 200 yards off a downslope to an uphill green. And that's with the tournament on the line. So I was just trying to chase it down there as far as I could. and that's kind of how I do it. I use that turf tee and it kind of tees it up a little bit, but it kind of forces me to kind of hit down on it and chase it down there. I mean, I can't even, for us, right? It's like the difference between teeing up a three wood and hitting it off the deck

is you're adding like a 60% chance that we just top it or significant miss hit. So that's still like the turf tee she's talking about, I'm not just throwing it on the ground and hitting it. So I take my club and I kind of beat on the ground a little bit and make this just little indention on the ground and then tee it up. So it's still sitting. It's like as perfect lie as you can imagine out of the fairway. It's just not off of the tea.

And for whatever reason for me, that still kind of makes me hit it down and kind of hit that chasing ball flight instead of hitting it off the tea where it might be higher and softer. I can't wait to go to step on a tea with somebody that's never played me before. where I'm going to make like a turf tee and try to just chase a three-word out there and just see what happens. Yeah, yeah, it's a great way to hit that shot.

The greatest team ever played my favorite movie of all time when like they use the teas that are made out of fucking grass and dirt. You ever see like I used to do that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they get that little tool and they just, yeah. Same deal.

Just using my club, making a little turf teas. I'll do it all the time. If I had a couple of bad three woods off the tea, I'll bail on the tea and just start doing the turf tea. It's kind of my go-to. If you step up to the first team of a tournament, you look into your bag, your caddy, no one has any teas on you. You're not stressing at all. You can play a full tournament round with no teas. I think I probably could, yeah.

Yeah, I think I could. I mean, I'd like to have some teas for some drivers, but I think I'd be able to make it work. Yeah, can you do turf tea with the driver? I honestly haven't done the turf to you with the driver, but I've hit driver off the deck a few times in some tournaments, and it's gone okay. A couple times spinners had to call me off of it, but we've hit four or five of them probably in PJ Tour events.

Does he have like a veto? Does he get like a veto button on some shots? I think there's an under, he had a good one last week, but there's kind of an understanding where if he holds his ground, And I'll be like, okay, all right, I won't, I won't do it. I won't try it. But my problem is, and most guys on tour is we feel like we know that we can pull off

a lot of shots, most shots. But can we pull it off that time is the question and whether that's the right play. And so that's where Fleener steps in. He's like, I know you can do this, but this isn't the time, not the fifth hole of the tournament. So that's. I like that he has to preface it with like, look, I know, I want you to know that I know that you can hit this shot, but we're not going to. going to do it right now. Yeah. He's like, you're one under through four holes and you can still

make birdie on this par five if you don't try this shot. It's the fifth hole of tournament. And that's what we did last week. And we still made birdie. And I was not happy about it until I made the put for birdie. And then I said, okay, that was a good call. But I wanted to try it. I felt like I felt like I could hit it. You're like grumpy the whole hole until you make Bernie. Yeah. I was just like, man, I mean, because I had to chip it out sideways. I felt like it was a shot where I felt like I could hit a three wood, cut it around some trees and get it up there by the green where it's an easier chipping a put. And he wanted me to hit it over the tree and hit a nine iron on the green and try and make the put, which is what I ended up doing and made a 20-footer or something.

And that was when I, the whole time I felt like it was not what I wanted to do, but I knew it was the right play. And after I made a birdie then, it didn't matter. So talk to me about when you do hit driver off the deck. Like is there just, you have to be. have to hit, like for me, if I'm going to try to hit driver, I got to open up the feet and try to hit like a big, like a low cut because you have no loft, so it's preposterous. Do you have different shots driver off the deck or are you pretty much trying to hit that same shot? Yeah, I mean, I'm hitting, it's mostly little cuts. That's kind of the natural shot with it when I try and hit it. If I really need to, I mean, I can hit it straight. The biggest thing for me is it's so easy to

want to try and get it up in the air and hit up on it, but you have to just, I feel like you got to just hit down on it and kind of pinch it. So I don't really hit the, when I hit it, it's going, but it's just going to be chasing a bunch. So I can't really hit it if I got to carry it over a bunker or water or anything like that. It's got to be something that I can chase it up there on the green. So 2016, you start with no status on any tour. Now last year we've been talking about it.

You win on the PGA tour. What's sort of that kind of journey? I mean, we're all seeing a ton of, I think the big meme right now, like started here and now we're here or whatever. Yeah. So to start in 2016 with literally no status anywhere. And now your PGA tour winner, like I said, you're 61st in the world. You keep moving your way up.

What's that whole just journey been like? Is it kind of surreal? Yeah, it's been, I mean, it's been incredible. It happens so fast. I mean, in 16, like you said, I didn't have any status. And I mondayed into a, at the time, it was web.com, Monday into an event in Indiana. and if you finish top 25, you get to play the next week. And so I finished top 25 that week, finished third the following week,

and that got me starts the rest of the year, and played the remainder of that season, which was probably 15 to 20 more events, and finished 10th on the money list that year. So I went from having no status in basically April of 2016 to play in my first tour event as a member in September in Napa, So just getting to the PGA tour happened so fast. And then once you get out here, there's not really,

there wasn't a whole lot of time to kind of soak it all in. I mean, it's great and everything. But you got to go out there and you got to play well just to keep your card. And so it feels like the last four or five years you're trying to, every year your jobs on the line. So you're trying to go earn it again. How hard is it to Monday qualify? Like I see, we hear these horror stories.

People shoot like 64. and they can't mind, they can't mind. How, like, is that harder than being on tour, I feel like? It's, the hardest part is you can, you can go shoot 64 and not get in. And immediately you're going to be like, man, that it's so easy to just get down and just be like, man, that that sucks, which it does. But you play great. Like, you keep, you keep shooting those numbers. You keep playing good.

You're going to get through them. I've gotten through a few of them. My mentality was always, I'm going to go out there and try. and make 10 birdies. I think some of you guys try and play perfect golf and shoot seven or eight under bogey free. And my mentality is like, I'm going to go try and birdie every hole or make 10 birdies. And if I make two bogeys doing that, then I'm still getting in at a pretty good score. So that was my approach. It worked a few times, a couple of times it didn't. I mean, everybody's got their own way of doing it. But it's just, it's tough. I mean, you're always,

you're going to have guys that are going to have the round of their life and they're going to get through and then they're going to get to the tournament and it's they're going to shoot a million and that that's just that happens is that is that sort of always your playing style like just try to make as many birdies as you can because i think like one thing that's so different for the average weekend hack like us is like we're pretty much limited to one style of golf and that is like try to get it in play and then try to get it near the green or on the green and then try to make far and like hope that that adds up to a decent number. Whereas you guys are obviously on a different level. You're so skilled. You have all these different shots. You actually can play strategically.

You can, you just talked about how trying to hit like a driver off the deck cut around some trees versus hitting it over hitting nine iron in. Whereas for us, it's like we're not, we don't have these different options. So for you, if you had to describe your playing style, are you firing at pins all day? Are you more conservative and following leaderboard and seeing what you think it's going to take? What's, sort of your general approach? I'd definitely say I'm probably on the aggressive side. I think one of the hardest things for me is, and something that I'm trying to be good at is hitting the right shot at the right time. And last week, Fleenard calling me off and going for the green on

this par five is a good example of hopefully getting better at that. But there are just, there are times when you got to, on par three's, you know, you got to hit it to 30 feet. I mean, I always think, like Tiger, when he won the Masters in 19, on 12, everybody hits it in the water, and he hits the right shot and hits it right over the bunker. I mean, with a nine iron on his hand, anybody at that level can hit a nine iron to 10 feet, even under those circumstances. But he knew that that was the right shot, and he hits it 30 feet over there, and takes his bar and gets out of there.

And that's something that I'm trying to get better at. But, I mean, when I'm at home or, you know, I'm trying to make burpee on every hole, I'm trying to shoot as low as I can. That's everybody's goal at the end of the day is you want to shoot the lowest score you possibly can. And whether it's in a tournament or playing at home, that's always my goal. That's got to be so hard for you to take your medicine

and hit it to 30 or 40 feet. I hate it. I hate it. I mean, because I mean, especially at our level we've hit, we've shot those low rounds before we've hit those shots where we've had a five ironer hand and hit it to three feet. So you know that you can do it.

and you could be swinging good, and you know that you could definitely do it that day, but sometimes it's just not the right play. How much you hate bogeys? Like you, I believe when you won, you made no bogeys. Is that right the whole week? Right, yeah, 72 halls, the bogeys. I hate them. For such a guy who play, like you said, an aggressive style,

how do you go 72 holes out of bogey? It doesn't make any sense. It was just one of those weeks. I can't even, I mean, I can't describe it. They were, I should have double bogey the second hole of the tournament, honestly, on Thursday morning. I hit a bad drive left that was probably going in the road and hits a tree and drops down, and I'm able to get it on the green and make far. When you have those weeks and you just get all, you get the brakes, I mean, you get the bounces.

I can't, that's kind of how it goes, but it was one of those weeks where I just, I hit it great, putted great, everything clicked, and it just felt easy. I mean, I really only had maybe four or five. about far putts throughout the week that were a little bit of, had a little bit of stress behind them. What do you hate more of bogeys or Justin Thomas for owning the name JT? Oh, man, I don't hold JT against it. That's a nickname that he didn't, it's not like he wanted to be called JT. That's just what everybody calls him.

And, you know, my nickname out here has been postman. That's kind of what most people call me is postman. out here, so I don't fault him for that. I think some of my, some of my friends and family at home get annoyed when they hear JT, and so they get excited to think I'm going to be on TV or they can follow me and it's Justin Thomas instead. And I get tagged. I mean, you won't believe, I mean, we don't have fans now, but when we had fans out there, the amount of people that would tag me in videos of Justin Thomas hitting shots and I guess they're not. I bet I, for a while there, I got five to ten a day.

Back when there, back when there were fans, was there ever, like, a group of small children waiting for, they're like, JT's coming. They're waiting for autographs, and then JT. put a soon come from the corner, and they're just like, ah. Oh, man, look on their face. They're like, I mean, they're like, JT's coming, and, like, I'm, like, right there, and then I want, and, like, I'm, like, signing, and they're still like, I think JT's coming. I think JT's coming.

I just walked right by him and sign that stuff. and there's just tough that the guy who goes by JT. The guy that goes by JT happens to be lighting the golf world on fire for these last four years. Right. It's like if he was just like a regular fucking Monday qualifier, it doesn't matter,

but he's Justin Thomas and he's having a pretty good career right now. Yeah, 100%. He's possibly in the news. 100%. 100%. Have you always been a flatbrim guy? I feel like you really, you really stick out as the,

big tideless flat brim wearing guy you know i haven't um honestly i started wearing it just because it fit my big ass head way better than than the other ones and it just was more comfortable and it and a lot of people loved it um i always had people asking me where they could get them and tidalus finally got them got them got them out there where people can buy them and um i don't know i've just always it just fits my head better honestly i wish i had a better answer than that but it was just like i was going to going for comfort over look and it just worked. I think that's pretty relatable. I think like everybody's,

everybody's head is shaped and fits differently. I'm dealing with some hat. Yeah, I love the rope hat. I love the rope hats. Yeah, I'm trying of, I mean, I have a little baby, like, feminine forehead and, like, I have kind of a tiny head,

so I'm trying to deal with this right now. I just like the hat so much, and I'm trying to make it work. Yeah, I think it looks fine. I think it looks good. I don't like it. Trette doesn't like it? Well, it just looks big. It looks like you could like hide out from a rainstorm under that thing.

I look like those baseball pictures, then they wear those, you know, when they have those hats, they get hit by a line drive and they're just fucking, they're wearing like they're really cushioning the hats. I believe Craig Counsel wore one of those. Craig Counsel. Craig Counsel. What a name. What a name. I had the opposite problem.

My face is two. fat and chubby that we have like, you know, the dad hats that people wear, they look really cool. But when I put them on top of my head, it looks like it's like a little paper cup sitting on top of my head. Yeah. So I get where you're coming from. Yeah, that's where I was. The tidalist hats that I would wear, they'd sit on my head like this. I couldn't, I'd, when I'd try and get them down over my, over my eyes and get a little shade, I'd just have headaches because they'd be on too tight and it just, it just wasn't working. I needed to find something that was bigger. Nothing worse than a hat. You got to wear too tight on the course. You're out there.

You're sweating. It's like five hours. You got to get something comfortable. Right. A little preview. Give us a preview of TBC Summerlin this week. What are we going to expect the Shriders? I always struggle to say this. I think you're at Shriners, Hospitals for Children Open. A lot of plural. Two plurals in a row is always stuff. Triners. What? Yeah. No. What's the course going to play like? We've got a big field this week. A lot of guys are back. How we feel?

I think you're going to see some low scores. I think the scores are always pretty low here. The only time I've been here where it wasn't that low, we had some pretty crazy weather, a lot of wind, and I don't think we're going to get that. So, I mean, the greens are pure, bent grass greens. They're perfect speed to make, a lot of putts.

It's hot. The ball's going along ways. Bryson's probably going to drive like six. greens this week. I don't know. I think you're going to see a lot of birdies. I think it could get firm, which would be fun. I hope the greens get firm. But I think there's going to be a lot of buries being made. I saw Bryson out there yesterday. He was hitting like over the, over the fence and over people on the range. Were you out there? He was hit. I wasn't, I wasn't, but I saw it. I guess he was hitting, he was hitting drivers and they were flying into the equipment trucks that are on the,

over the fence on the other end of the range. And those guys are, I mean, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, that's their big days. I mean, they're pretty busy. They're running around getting clubs for everybody. So probably not ideal when you're taking cover from Bryson launching a few golf balls. You think about Bryson. Like, you know, we see all these pros talking about him. Rory McRaeckroy talked about him.

I find him to be hilarious. We have a massive roller coaster with this guy. We like and we hate him. Now I'm back on him. I just think what he's doing is hilarious that he's changing the game of golf to the point where people are like, you can't win a U.S. Oakland like that. that? What are your thoughts on the way he's playing the game? Are you, like, angry at the way he's

doing it, or do you kind of respect it? I'm not angry. I mean, I respect it. I'm angry because I don't know if I could do it. I don't, I mean, he's beating my ass every week when I've played the same week as him. But he, what I'm most impressed with, everybody's talking about how far he's hitting it. And yes, he's hitting, when he wants to hit it far, he hits it forever. But the fact that he's still able to hit it somewhat straight is what blows my mind. Because if I swing out of my shoes like it looks like he is sometimes, I can't keep it on the planet, much less him hitting it 50 yards further than I am,

and it's still going straight. I mean, you have to respect the fact of how good that is. I mean, and yeah, he's changing the game. He's hitting driver as hard as he can on every hole and then figuring out how to get in the hole from there. Dude, he's doing like breathing exercises before he hits. It's like an animal about to attack, and then he spins out of his fucking left foot. It's amazing.

Dude, yeah, I haven't seen. I haven't seen it. I've seen it up close a couple times. The craziest thing that I've seen at Hilton Head, our second week back from the quarantine, Hilton Head's got a small range, and he's hitting it over the fence. It's not some guys can hit it. I've seen other guys hit it over the fence, but he was hitting it over the fence, over the trees, onto eight green, and you're just sitting.

there. I was playing a practice round and there's Bridgestone ball after Bridgestone ball just rolling onto the green into the bunkers and you're like this is unbelievable because it was still so new to, I mean everybody knew that he was going to be hitting it further but this was only the second week that we had actually seen it in person and seen it in person

is, yeah, seen it in person. Bridgestone balls flying out of the sky and you're like, where is this coming from and you got this monster on the driving range just. Dude, the eighth green is at least 50 yards past the fence. It at least 50 yards past the fence on the Hilton Head Range.

And he's flying them down there. I mean, it was, I can't put into words how far that ball is going until you see it in person. See, like, we love it because this is just preposterous. Like, golf is supposed to be orderly and tradition. And here's this just savage swinging like a crazy person. Like, frankly said, we've got bridgestones are raining from the sky. Like, the people in the production trucks are like taking cover and running. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, everybody likes to see the ball go a long ways. I mean, that's what people come to see. I mean, even us at our level when we're trying to beat, I mean, the number of guys that would line up and watch him hit balls on the range when he got to his driver and just go look at the numbers on his track man and stuff. I mean, you just kind of just don't believe it until you see it yourself and then you see it. And it's, you just haven't seen golf ball fly like that.

It's the same thing. And I'm not alluding to anything. I'm honestly not doing it. But like in the steroid era of baseball, like that just brought more eyeballs to the game, right? Like power just sell. These guys go out there. Markle Fire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds. All of a sudden, you're like, holy shit, this is a must ticket to a baseball game. These guys are going to hit 70 home runs this year. They're going to hit it 525 feet.

Bryson, like, obviously he's saying he's doing it all naturally, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But like, what he's doing, bringing power to golf is putting asses in seats. So, like, the only thing he can do is respect that. Like, yeah, like, he's changing the game in a way that, like, the courses aren't supposed to be played a certain way. And, like, he's hitting it over all the problems and stuff. But, like, he's making me tune in. Like, I'm watching Bryson every single week now because I want to see how far it hits it. Just like you're saying, guys are walking over to see his stats.

So to me, it's like, it's really, really fun to watch. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a good comparison. I think it's, I mean, like I said, it's just people want to see it. So they're going to, they're going to pay to come. they're going to pay to come see it whether you're a golf fan and you follow it every week or if you're just somebody that's the tournament's in your hometown and you're looking for something to do and you can go you can go watch it i mean it's you're going to tune in and see how far i can

hit it is that uh does that affect you at all like i've asked justin rose that that's does that affect j t posting the postman's look at like oh shit what what i need to be doing for the next couple of years going forward um you know not really i don't think my game has never been hit it a long ways and overpower a golf course. My game's always been, you know, pretty consistent and just make a lot of butts. And it's not as exciting and it's not as flashy as Bryson's game. But that's the beauty of the game of golf is at the end of the day, if my score beats his, then so be it. That's, that's, at the end of the day, that's, at the end of the day, that's what I'm trying to do. And my best chance of doing that is by hitting,

fairways, hitting the ball on the green and making some butts. Now, it might be harder. The golf courses are probably going to get longer as the years go by, so I'm going to have to probably keep my distance up. But I don't think I'll, I don't think I'll get to a point where, you know, I need to go make a change and go gain 40 pounds and start hitting it 350. It's funny, man, I was looking at the stats. And, I mean, I know it's early, a couple of events in, but you got three,

I think you're a little over 306 yards in average driving. distance this year and that's like 99, which is like people, yeah, like you may might see 99th, they like, oh, he doesn't hit the ball that far. Like, you're averaging 306. Yeah. Yeah. That was probably lead. I mean, that was probably lead. I mean, I don't, it's odd, like you said, it's early. We're three events in, but I don't know what the, the leading distance was, you know, 20 years ago, but I guess it was probably right around that number. And now you're barely cracking top 100. I mean, when the, I think when it's all sudden done, that number, will be lower, but at the end of the year.

But yeah, you're right. It's everybody's fitting it further. I mean, ball's going a long ways. All right, man. Well, look, there's been a lot of fun. You're in Vegas this week, so try to be, you know, try to be careful. Try to be smart out there. Coming off the third place, finish, which, by the way, I think, took home like $45,000.

So pretty good start to the wrap around. That's solid. But seriously, this has been fun. We appreciate the time. Tell Fleener, too. We said, what's up? I will. Thanks, guys.

Appreciate you having me all. Thanks for coming. Got it. Good luck out there this week. Yeah. See you guys. Thanks, JT. From October 5th through November 8th, the NHTSA and the FRA are raising awareness about rail crossing safety.

You need to stop because trains cannot. In 2019 alone, 126 people were killed and 635 people were injured in collisions at railroad crossings. From 2014 or 2019, there were 798. fatalities involving motor vehicles at railroad crossings. By law, trains have the right of way at all railroad crossings. What we are saying is we are here to raise awareness that you need to stop when it comes to a railroad crossing or a rail grade crossing because, once again, trains cannot. When approaching a rail crossing, it's very important to slow down, look for an oncoming train before crossing the tracks, even if the lights aren't flashing or a barrier is not

coming down. If you see any indication that a train is coming, please do us all a favor. Please do yourself a favor and stop and wait for the train to pass. Do not try to race the train. A train that is traveling 55 miles an hour takes a mile on average to come to a complete stop once the brakes are applied. That's a little Frankie Factor you right there. Train going 55 takes a mile or more to stop. So again, this is a nice little announcement. It's a nice little awareness raising that we're doing that if you come to anything that looks like a train or train tracks a railroad crossing do yourself a favor and stop be extra extra cautious please because people do die every year from trains and we do now want you to be one of them we know you're likely a lot

of you in your cars you're listening to us speak about god knows what and so we want you to be safe so that you can continue to listen to us speak about god knows what and uh we're we lower and limit the fatalities when it comes to train. So be careful. That is, again, a nice little awareness raising effort that's going on from October 5th on November 8th of 2020 by the NHTSA and the FRA. So be careful when it comes to trains. Gentlemen, that was JT. Post and he was great.

Tony Fee now. We're going to get through headlines. Tony Fee now test positive for COVID-19. He put this on his Twitter. He's obviously out for a little while, 10 days, a couple of weeks. whatever it is so you know hope Tony gets well the disease is incredibly infectious and contagious as we see it just jumps around and anybody can get it so try to be cautious and no little service announcement from public service

announcement from your friends at 4 play to just be careful because there's a global pandemic going on I have a little bit of this public service announcement did you guys see this video we got tagged in a billion times of PFT's water going into his tub no yeah so like it's tough because I'm on both sides of this. I say that New York water is better for cooking and all this stuff, and that's why we have better bagels and pizza and the whole deal, which has been proven correct with certain minerals

and the way that it's fucking brought into the city and the whole thing, the type of area that we get it from, the whole thing. What I do not agree with is the fact that Trent and Riggs and Lurge, you guys will just go up to the fucking sink in the bathroom or whatever and fill up your ice cold cup of water, and you just fucking douse yourself in it like it's whatever. your your Twitter bio should be it's tough for me because I'm on both sides of this that should honestly be that is the beginning of your whole thing is that I don't know

which side that was a tough video I didn't actually that that could possibly come out or even like the beginning of that so for anyone doesn't know PFT commenter put up a video of just him running his bathwater and it's just pure brown in New York City and he's like thank you Cuomo and de Blasier the whole thing listen the first fact that that could possibly happen while you're in your New York City apartment is reason one A to never ever be able to drink that stuff out of that. Like what if that was just like the beginning of that and you didn't see it get brown? Like that's just a possibility every time you drink that water. What do you got to say? You try it. I remain I remain undeterred and I'll

tell you why because my sink has done this. My like if they do work on the pipes, if they do work on the pipes you turn on the first part of it. The first part of it is brown because they just worked on it and you just got to let it run for two minutes and it becomes clear again and i still drink that water that people are going to be grossed out by that but that's just the facts this has happened to my pipes it's probably happened to everybody's pipes in new york city you just got to let it run for a couple minutes and then it's all clear it's just so just that's just that's the wrong side that's the wrong side of history to be on but listen that's fine if that's the side that you will never come off of that's fine but if if you've

to wait for your water to turn clear after it's brown because they worked on the old pipes in your building, then that's fine. Drink that water. I will gladly go to the CVS across the street and just buy bottled water while I'm in New York City. That's just what I'm going to do. I'm still standing. I'm still living. Every water you've had, Frankie, New York City's bottle. I lived in my apartment for two years and I never once drank out of the faucet. What about when you go out to dinner? See, that's that I hope and pray that these people have massive filtration systems at these restaurants. So when they ask you for tap, I feel

fine because I know even at my restaurant, we replace our faucets and we replace the filters weekly. So I will say it's sometimes the water's risky, I think even a couple years ago, wasn't there a snake that somebody found in their own

toilet? They never know if that's stuff true. Although you can't say that when you sit on a toilet sometimes, you don't think an an iconism. Don't think about it. Totally. All the time. All the time. Just take your little fucking cranberries and bring them underneath with it. I always look. It's crazy.

There's like one or two videos that ruined the rest of our lives and it's seeing those snakes slither out of the fucking toilets. And it could have just been like VR or Fager or whatever and it ruined. I'll never sit on a toilet and not think, boy oh boy is it going to suck when this anaconda grabs my nutsack. You ever think there's somebody, you ever get an irrational fear that there's somebody hiding behind your shower curtain? All the time.

Yeah. All the time. Yeah, that's like a classic horror movie kind of attack, attack mode, I think, is someone's shower and they think they hear something. They pull the curtain back, no, and then they pull it back later. I definitely went through a stage as a young child where I would check behind the curtain every single time. And you get that little like heart race right before you do it. Like, oh, shit. And it's like I'd rather be, I'd rather have my pants on when I get attacked by this person.

Also, you check behind doors and stuff. Yeah, right? I do think the shower one, I always feel safer because, like, you're saying, it just doesn't seem right that they would attack a naked man. So I feel like it's, I don't know, it just seems less likely because I'm naked than they would attack. I don't know, right? Listen, it is what it is.

That was a scary video, the fact that that could happen at any moment. I mean, that was a lot of brown water coming out of that faucet for him. So just can't be good. I don't condone, like, ruining the world with all these bottled waters. Just get a filter. You don't even do like a burrito. What are those things called? It's definitely not a brita.

Like what's Brita? Brita. You don't even do a Brita thing, Trent? You just drink it straight. Like you don't even want to filter that shit out at all. I would be straight. I will see if that orange like water or whatever hit you while you were in the shower, I would, I think the whole world will be able to hear that screech.

That Frank is echo echo across the globe. Might? Yeah. No, I'm going to continue. to drink New York City water. My thing is, like, you could also get hit by a bus. Like, but then you were, oh, no, but I drank all this bottled water, but you still got hit by a fucking bus.

So, like, it didn't make that much of a difference. Yeah, I mean, like, but you, there's no, like, alternative to getting hit by a bus. Like, the alternative to just drinking that dirty water is to just drink bottle of water. There's no, like, I guess you just never leave your house to not get hit by a bus. Yeah, I don't think that logic's airtight there, Trump. Like, he's talking about drinking water. Two waters, one that came out of that brown thing. Yeah, but Trent's looking at it from like a health.

Like you guys, like Frankie's almost saying, like, I want to be like safer, so I'm going to drink like water out of a bottle where it's like, well, you could be as safe as you want. You might still get it by a fucking bust. I agree with that. I just ate a full heapings worth of prosciutto and fresh mozzarella and fucking balsamic vinegaret. And yeah, like I'm going to act like me drink.

The water is going to save my life. It's with everybody, too. I'm not just saying you, but you just happen to be that case. I just find the water coming out of the faucet to be disgusting and beneath me. That's the difference. I'm above drinking out of the faucet. I do. I think we have, like, jobs.

Like, I've been working since I was 14 years old. Like, at the right, I just know, I'm like, I have a head on my shoulders. I feel like I know how to not drink out of the faucet like a dog. Like, I just, I think. New York City tap water is delicious. Honestly, like, throw it through a breeder, man. Like, let it just work. Let it work.

Britta? Frida? You say mozzarella like an ass. Now, you can't even say Britta. I don't know what the company name is. Britta. Brita. Throw it.

Grita, man. Let it get to work. Throw some batteries in that thing. Let it fucking do something. If we're going to mention, like, people saying stuff a certain way, and we're going to talk about stuff. We're getting tagged in. I happen to shout out Lurch, who said on the last show that he's pretty sure one-arm golfers

usually use their front arm. And a lot of people were quick to point out that one-arm golfers just, have one arm so they don't they don't get to like use either they just have one on no but did you see that then that person corrected himself twitter actually solved the puzzle because what depending what arm you have it can always be your front arm oh true you can just change right actually i commended twitter for solving this problem and i guess rigs you're still on the back end of this and haven't solved in your own right no but the point was that you still were like you still made a ridiculous comment. What do you mean? No, he's right, man. You could just be a lefty or right.

Yeah. If I only have my left arm, then this can be my front arm. And if I'm only have this arm, this can be my front arm. But you're saying, Trent's killing you. Trent, keep going. Yes, look at how. Why? You're looking fucking slim. Now Trent, son. Now Trent, now Trent's dancing. No, it wouldn't be like that, Trent. It would be like this. It would be right arm or like a lefty or right. Yes. So you could go. I only have a right arm. No, you keep moving both arms like an idiot. This? And this. No, you keep moving both like an idiot. So I could hit it like this. You have only one arm. You have one arm. You have a right arm. You can either be a lefty and have it be your front arm or you can be your back arm. If it goes this way, I could hit, or I could hit. Correct. Correct. I think we just came up with a new TikTok. I think you love the way you look right now.

You look a little thin. I'm huge right now. Riggs? Riggs, any follow-up? I still don't think that it's, A, you didn't mean it that way. Yes, I did. No, you fell into this one. No, I knew.

Yes, you did. I've done that a couple times. Follow up here. Now you're lying. No, I swear. No. That was understood. Oh, no.

There's plenty of times where I make mistakes. And certainly with my words, I make mistakes. But in this case, that all was clear in my brain. I'm not going to go all the way back. Someone tweeted at us that this one dude, I forgot his name. I actually looked him out. I probably should go back and give the guy some fucking credit. But he said that his friend is like one of the best one-armed golfers of all time.

And he like won like, so I actually watched a video on this guy. And, you know, he had like, you know, obviously disabilities and the whole thing. I don't know if there's like cerebral palsy or something, but he couldn't use one of the arm. And he used, there's one arm that he could use was the back arm. And he says he hits the ball 250 yards. And wins tournament, like, you have to watch this video, like flop shots, like spinning the ball back from 175 yards out with irons.

It's absolutely. That's incomprehensible. Right. And we can do that. And it's all back. So the way that this guy sent the DM was like, Yeah, I think it's mostly back arm. That's like the better players that like really can get into it.

So our argument about like that front arm, I really don't think that that, I don't think he can't think he can. I think you need to learn to get that whipping action and really fucking go down on the ball. The way he gets his drives are insane. Insane. He uses the back. So he just like kind of like spins his whole body and comes in hot with the behind arm. So hot.

Wow. Yeah. I guess I could see that. I'll find a name before we get off the pod. Okay. And then the last thing I wanted to say under just kind of our housekeeping stuff is that I think I'm playing the last couple weeks, three weeks, I think I'm playing the best golf maybe I've ever been played.

And I think I'm very anxious to get around in with Lurge because I think I would beat Lurge right now. That's fantastic. I'm just going to check my handicap. What's your handicap? I'm 4.8 right now. Holy shit. I'm down to a 401.

Jesus, Lurge. I think having a match, I think I would beat you right now. Well, put your money room out. Lurch, are you going down to the Barstall Classic Championships? I'm going to try to, but right now I can't say that I can just because of work. That would be a fun little pre-championship match. What? That would be a fun little pre-championship match.

It would be great. And maybe I can come down and work from there and just a little bit BMIA during the day, but I just have to figure that out with my work calendar. maybe next week when i'm back in in the york we could do a little match lurch i like for your confidence is and you're like smirk smiling i is i actually and i will say i don't watch each one of your videos but i saw the springfield missouri one and um i saw that you played one under there and so that's a nice time of those 35 of course of course the best round of the year that i got

going to potentially shoot my career low it's i decided to play a quick nine holes before sunset So I finished the ninth hole in the sun I'd like already said so there's no chance to go out and play ever again which just sucks. But also I probably would have shot like 47 on the back nine so I don't know that it really matters. But yeah I'd play I had a turkey three birdies in a row. Holy hell

that's good job. You know how you that one round at Pinehurst you like went back the next day to look for your ball and finish your round? At what point do you like are you allowed to do that? Like let's say you went back the next morning and finish your nine, would you consider that in a full round of 18 holes? I think if it was suspended by the club, then yes. And then you were like first guy out.

But if you had to leave for whatever reason it was on you, I would say no. It's kind of where I would make the distinction in my own brain. The thing is like if you're playing a legitimate tournament round on tour and like play suspended due to darkness, you just go out in the morning and finish. It counts as the same round. right so you would be comfortable with doing that with nine holes no i think it's a weird move i don't think i'd be comfortable like going to bed the night i call nervous like i have to wake up and finish up my best round ever like showing the club and acting like people are going to be a

clapping for you like go get them just on more holes but that'd be a loser move for handicapped purposes. I almost hate that because like everybody table, like you have a good front nine and then you just even out on the back nine. But you can put two good nine together if they're like mutually exclusive. And that's one round that brought me way down because, Frankie, when we played wing foot, I only entered, I think, nine holes. And that came in as like a two index or something like that. And then I paired that with another two or 1.9 or something like that, a really good nine that were different. Oh, my God. You're showing if was a minus 1.5 that was below scrap?

I've got a nine hole 35 hanging out there and I might never play nine holes ever again because if it pairs up with something, my handicap's fun. Holy shit. Never play nine. I haven't ever been a full round of golf since we played. like I haven't been able to pair that 50 up with anything. You've paired up with another nine, Lurch? Yeah. Yeah, it'll do it automatically.

So like when you put another night, it'll just combine the slope and rating and all that and just do it. So if you do another 18, it won't combine the first nine? No, they'll just sit out there. So if like Riggs never plays or just like buries it at the end of the year and then just gets in a quick like nine other rounds,

so it just like pushes it out. He's all good. I'm going to play fucking left-handed when I play nine holes next time and just so I don't get dinged with a 70 and something on my handicap. I mean, that would screw my handicap for a year. Your Twitter would blow up if you play the other nine with left-handed. The handicapped police would come at you from they would want to just take your head right off. Especially because I'd kick people out of our tournament for that kind of shit all the time.

This guy's name is Vince Beiser, Sarasota one-armed golfer, goes for a seventh straight title in 2019. So he's a fucking beast. He plays with that one-arm, the back arm. How good is this guy, Frank? Are we talking like a scratch? Is he a 10? I'm trying to find, like, what he shoots, and I can't really find, like, what he shot in these tournaments. I just know that I watched video of him, and he was lights out.

So we got three huge matches now that have built up. We've got to play the blind golfer. We've been talking about that for like a year. Apparently very good player and would beat us. So we've got to figure that out. We've now got the one-arm golfer that we have to play. And then I want to play Lurch for the crown of who's the best player on the podcast. So we've got three matches that are now hanging in the balance waiting to be, waiting to unfold.

In terms of the blind golfer and the one-arm golfer, I'm going to see what their handicaps actually are. so we figure out which four-play member to put up against them in the most fair match possible. Yep. Right. That information has got to be available somewhere, right? Yeah. It's got to be.

I mean, you can just look up, like, what tease they played and what they shot, we can figure out what kind of what handicapped they are. Yeah. I like that. So everyone knows. What if they were a scramble? Just a fucking... What do you mean?

So we played them on those scramble? So they just, like, it was a blind golfer, a one-armed guy, and whoever. else. Oh, I see. And a scramble against the boys? I don't need that. I'd be honest. We better fucking win that. Like, that would be, we better win that.

Oh, man. Listen, I think they're pretty fucking good. You know? I think they're really good, too. Like, I think they're very good at golf. So. Like, this guy, this one-arm golfer that I've watched is just a better driver of the ball than I am. That's a fact. I watched the way he swings. The way he makes contact. He hits a ball 250 yards down the middle every single time. Perfect.

deck he's a better tripper than i am far and away has a better short game he puts lights out his chipping is it's like a little like local news station that just had like a one camera out there trying to get like footage of him and he's just taking pure divots right in their face like they're getting like a low angle he's just puring irons it's very very funny at how good he is we might have to put our best foot forward in and play i mean it's going to be it doesn't sound like an easy match we do need to get these matches on because honestly they're really one arm guy hasn't want uh Vince did not want to reach out like you want the playoffs but the blind player wants to play us he's reached out multiple times like I do want to play you guys I think I would

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He, there was a lot of chatter that he was just going to do a one-off. He was going to go play it in the champion store, the senior tour event here at, down at Big Cedar at Ozarks National. He won by a million shots and then he's just never going to play again. That was sort of a general thought. No, he's back. We'll see if Phil can go two for two. It is kind of funny that he shows up, just hits his bombs,

and destroys the old men's senior tour, and then just goes back to his BGA tour. I find that kind of freak funny that he does that. I'm surprised they're letting him play on the championship tour again. What he did last time was mean. That was really, really fucking mean. He just showed up and dusted the field, and then was like, see you later.

I can still go play on the PGA tour because I'm still good enough to play on that tour. And it was just, if I were them, I'd be like, you know what, Phil? we don't want you. I get that you bring a lot of eyeballs. You know, you're a living legend, but the way you did our guys last time was cruel and unusual, and we're not allowing you back in. It's going to be funny to see if he just goes and embarrasses the old men yet again. I feel like Burdhard Longer is now like trying to reverse time to get back into the winning ways against Phil.

Like that man has had a firm grasp on the senior tour for 15 years. I feel like Bernhard's like 70. and still just destroys everyone out there on the senior tour. And now the fact that someone else has showed up, Phil, like goofy California Phil versus the German machine that is Bernard Longer, I don't think he likes that one bit. So if we got an old Phil versus an old Bernard Longer clash on the senior tour, that could really revitalize that thing, no pun intended, and make things quite interesting.

I like it. Yeah, this is interesting. See like a rookie come up, like if you're Bernard Langer, like, you know Phil's like coming up. Like eventually he's just coming of age. It's not like the PGA tour where like when Tiger Woods came up, nobody saw him swing until like the first round that they played with it. But like you know like your time's like shortening as you see obviously Phil

these grades come up and then you just kind of pass the torch. But Bernard's competitor. Speaking of senior, John Daly with an ace, our guy John Daley, J.D. Nice ace. Somebody captured like a charity outing. It seemed like there's some boozing going on. Somebody sneaks up behind him with a. cell phone. I'll take a video of John Daly.

Dunk, Ace. So big shout out to John. Somebody made a comment, though, and it looked like there was like 11 flags on the green. If you. I didn't look at it that closely. It seems like there's 11 golf flags on the green, which takes a little bit of it away. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you.

You got 11, 11 holes on a part three. How many shots it would take you to get a hole in one? If it's like an average size green? I bet you I get one in a hundred tries. No chance. 11 on an average green. You got to think like it could hit a stick and go in. It could like, I think in 100 I get one.

I might take that bet. What do you think? How many times do you think you hit the green out of 100? Like if it's just like an average like a hundred and 45-yard hole? Yeah. Like what's your percentage on the green in regulation? I think it's 65%. So you think you have the ball on the green 65 times.

It's an average green. So maybe what, like, what are those like 10 yards? I don't even know. Yeah, probably. 10 yards or like 20 by 20? I don't know, 13 by 15. Like, so like are they clustered together or they kind of spread out? Because if they're spread out.

I wouldn't say spread out. But you make it up. Sorry to interrupt. Well, I'm just trying to figure, like 60 chances. and he just dropped from the chat unreal we just lose Frankie so good

so I'm watching a little closer on that John Daily video now and there are many flags right here he is your computer die yeah it died

60 chances um boy I just don't know if that's enough I think you miss all the time like damn I think because they're going to be kind of spread out

like each chance is going to have a minuscule chance of going in one of those holes. It's not like they add up. It's not like the ball stay on the green and like you have chances. I think each swing you have is a new swing and each time you swing that club, you have a minuscule chance of getting the ball into that. Right. Because all the other ones are misses. So it's almost like you're still just trying to get a hole in one on the same hole.

Exactly. And you're like hoping you get maybe lucky on like a mix that goes in a different one. Yeah. I guess my thought is just like just sitting in the center of the green kind of. And my miss will be front, back, left and right. And like, I think after 65, like, balls that hit the green, I think what goes in? But maybe that's wrong. How many do you, you, 500 is outrageous.

500 on 11 different pins on the green. Like, you're going to hit the flat. You're going to hit that green 250 times. We got to make it, like, 10 pins. I don't like the 11. It's like my ADHD, no, not ADHD. How many holes in one? How many holes in one have you seen in your life, Lerick?

No. Oh, I mean, that's what I was looking for. You've never even seen one just because there's a, the hole's still the hole, and you're still aiming at one of the holes. So even your misses aren't likely to go in one of the other ones. They're very unlikely to go in one of the other. You know why I have confidence in this is because I feel, like there's been like five times in my life where I've walked up to a part three and you see the

old cup and your ball's just like on the old cup and you're like if only they didn't move it all the time all the time that happens uh and like I guess so that's what gives me blind confidence I want to know what 10 pins or 11 pins looks like on a green if it's like preposterous how many pins there are like if it's so tight and so close then I think that yes you do get it If they're spread out, I think no chance. So, Frank, when you dropped Trent look at the video. And how many flags are there, Trent out of here? Like, would you assume?

You can't, it's not clear enough where you can see, but it's a lot. I wish I could count them. Okay. He can't. I think I would take money at 100. I might take that bet. And we've got to have a match. We're going to make a nice wager against that, too.

He brought it up again. Yeah, he's so cocky. brought it up again. I think your game's going to be that solid, even like when you guys play the match? Like that could be in a week. It could be in two weeks. I would say I'm probably overconfident right now for sure.

I think that if that's what you're trying to get to, but I can't help how I feel, you know. I just, and I want to have a match. I want to have a match. Also, I don't like lurch with putting under pressure. I don't think that's, I think I can expose. But I also could just start getting the driver. you have to get the ball off the planet every shot.

So, I mean, it could be interesting. That's really what I'm getting at. I know I'm going to lose to you early if you get the ball, like, somewhere out there. And then you're, like, if that's the case, I feel I get worried about where the match is going. Yesterday, yesterday, again, it was only nine holes, but it was the best driving performance I've ever had by far. I was hitting it far and straight every time. Like, on the ninth hole was the only fair way I missed the whole time, and I was actually aiming left because there's just a of room over there and there's water right so like it wasn't like i hit it exactly where i was aiming but

i wasn't surprised so i just like feel very confident in my game and like branky's saying i could show up tomorrow and just be a shitty driver of the golf ball again and then i might not be as confident i might not want to have a mac dude i'm doing this thing where i um i was talking to one of my buddies the guy mattie at cherry valley yesterday um and you know his his friends actually like for the barso classic and pioneers and we're talking and he said he saw the video of uh us playing against the country music stars. And I was like, man, I've rewatched some of the tape of my swings. And I did something, I know I've always had a quick swing and like a weird kind of back swing.

But boy, was I short on my back swing? It was almost like when you just don't want to watch your own swing. Like, you don't want to hear your own voice on a podcast. It makes you, like, want to jump off the building and, like, be fucking pukegible over the place. But I don't know what was happening to me at that fucking, that scramble. It was like, I was less than Tony Fee now. I've never seen myself swing that short in my entire lap. And the weird thing is, I feel like I hit the ball like fine.

Like, I actually like, well off the team to the point where it's like, why would I change anything? I'm like, man, maybe I was just like tight. I had five layers of shirts on. I was going for that JT thing. I mean, the Kizner thing. I was like, maybe I just like wasn't fucking coming all the way up. He's like, why? He responded, like, why would you change it?

Yeah, I thought you hit the ball great that day. Yeah. But it's a weird, you know, when you watch yourself and you're like, whoa, that's, that's, not what I do. Is it? Like, it was one of those moments where I'm like, there's no way. There's no way that's what I look like. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, no, I have to come over my head. There's no way I stopped right here. Like, it was basically perpendicular with my ear. It was like my hand. It was crazy. It was less than 20 feet now. I mean, I think that's the better way to go. Like the way of like, if you can get power, which you do, Frankie, that day you hit it well,

like a shorter swing, you just have more control over like the club and the path it takes. Like, John Daly, it's amazing just because we just spoke about him, but it's like amazing to even think that he made contact as often as he did as well as he did. Because his club, like, the clubhead, like, touches his front knee on the back seat. Yeah. Like, it's crazy. And, like, that just seems like a giant mistake to me. So people, like, knock the short swing because maybe it's not as pretty.

But I think it's a way better stroke than a longer golf swing. Yeah. No, it's just, like, ugly to look at it. And I feel like I've always pride. myself on like having a nice swing to look at even though the product's not great. So I feel like I need one or the other. Like if I'm going to have an ugly short swing, I need to at least hit the ball better than I do. So I think I may go back to just focusing on what looks the best. And regardless of what the product is, it doesn't matter. Like I watched, Brian Whitney played

in like an old sandwich and some sort of member guess or some sort of term yesterday. And I had to message him like, man, your swing is looking so dialed in right now. His swing looked like it was on a machine, like a machine was actually taking it slowly back over his head and right through the ball and he hit a perfect draw of the tape. And he's like, I'm just so dialed right now and make your head spin. He's like, I can't miss. I'm addicted to golf. It's like I'm a, I'm a drug addict right now when it comes to golf. But that's what I want to be able to look at that. Even if that ball goes sideways, I'll still hold that. I'll hold the finish for the video. I don't care. It just needs to look better, you know? Yeah. Do it for the grand. That's how I live my life.

There you go. As one of your teammates in the four-man scramble, I'd rather you focus on the one that works better, not that looks better. I thought you're all great out there, but I do know that feeling very well. Okay, I think we're done here, boys. Thanks to JT. Posten for jumping on the show,

The Postman. Go root for him this week. Enjoy Vegas. Enjoy TBC Summerlin. We'll be back on Tuesday, as always. Hit it hard. It hard. It hard.

It hard.