Fore Play - The Woods Dynasty, Pinto and The Caddie, and It’s Whoop Time

Episode Date: August 18, 2020

Segundo Oliva Pinto (93:58) was eliminated from the U.S. Amateur at Bandon Dunes because his caddie touched the sand on the 18th hole. He joins the show to discuss the incident, his natural instinct to defend his caddie, and declare he wants a rematch with eventual winner Tyler Strafaci. In a second interview, we’re also joined by the CEO & founder of Whoop, Will Ahmed, (64:14) who breaks down the origin of the band, how it detects COVID-19, and why it hates alcohol so much. In Headlines, Jim Herman posts 61-63 on the weekend to steal the Wyndham, Tiger & Charlie Woods are dominating junior tournaments, Kiz finishes T3 with his moon boot putting practice, and MUCH more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. This is the crew today. Lurches out. Lurches Slingin software. Who knows? He's busy. So we have Trent. We have Frankie. We have myself. We have a couple guests, which we're going to get to. We're, of course, produced by Bass, Mr. Jake Bass, who's kind of a vile, disgusting person when it comes to some of the little jokes that we make behind the scenes. I don't know if some people know about that.

But it's true. And then eBug, who cranks out the travel series among many, many other things. So big shout out to those guys. Okay. We have two interviews today. We have, I can't say his name. He's Argentinian. He plays golf at Arkansas.

He just lost in the US Amateur in brutal fashion when his cat he tested the sand. Story went very viral in the golf world. Segundo, Oliva Pinto. I don't know. I don't know how to say this shit. I just like a Midwestern. Say it, Frank? Segunda.

Something about that mustache made that work. Yeah, no, I think that works. That's how he said it. I'm trying to emulate the way he said it. But he was, I mean, that story took the golf world by storm. I was on the golf course when that happened, or like the day after that happened. And I remember people were all in like showing other people what happened. They're like the caddy.

They're not getting on their hands and knees. Like the catty actually touched the sand, like crazy. So I think like that, whenever something like that happens, it really makes you think about how stupid some of these rules are, but also like just like the fact that the guy playing didn't do anything wrong and he lost the hole is fucking absurd. But it shows you how important the caddy is, man. He could take you down if he wants to.

It sucks. It's like a good rap, right? Like a good rap in a game is not. talked about. They're just not even a fact. Nobody even thinks about it. And it's same with caddy. Like if the story's about the caddy, that's not a good sign for you to caddy. And this was one, I mean, U.S. Amateur, we talked about it last week before this thing and while this thing was going on, but it's at Bandon Dunes, first time Bannon's really been showcased on an international competitive level like that. The U.S. Amateur, Jack Nicholas, considers his two U.S.

Amateur titles, major championships. Tiger has three, which is one more than Jack. But the point is the US Amateur is about as big as it gets outside of legitimate major championships and professional golf. And so Bandon, it's on display. You had primetime golf because they're on the West Coast. So these things were on, you know, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 p.m. This tournament was on. And this was one of those where everyone in golf had to take their phone and show it to someone

else that they know playing golf. Like, did you fucking see what happened? Caddy gets into the bunker, puts his hand down to test the sand to see how deep is it, how firm is the sand, how soft is the sand. He can then relay that information to his player. It's not stroke play. It's match play. So that means loss a hole.

They're tied on the 18th hole. Boom. Pinto is gone. He's out of the tournament. This thing went crazy viral. Everybody's talking about it. The caddy then was kind of a lot. He just wouldn't admit that he touched the sand,

which was one of the weirder parts of the whole thing. Went to the blint. It literally was an eye in the sky. I'd be like, no, you did it. It's tough when there's cameras around. It's real tough. those cameras to lie and then someone show you to be like no but this is what actually happened and then you're just kind of like wow shit right and really quick before we get into all the talk about it

i want to know what the ruling is so like are you are you not allowed to do it with the intent to see what the sand is like but like let's say you drop your phone in there and you like you go pick it up and your finger touches the sand and like what if you drop like a tea and you just want to go grab it Like, can you not do that? Can you not touch it? Like, the floor is lava? Or is it, like, the intent to physically see what the sand is like? It used to be much more strict that you can't touch it, right?

Like, because a bunker is a hazard. Now it's a penalty. Right? So bunker is a hazard. You're not supposed to be in there. If you are, it's a penalty. And if you want to play out of there, it's going to be unpredictable. And you're not going to know and you shouldn't know how the sand feels, how deep it is,

how shallow it is, because you hit it into a. hazard and that's on you go fuck yourself good luck out of the hazard now bunkers are obviously it's changed because they're well manicured especially at country clubs like if their bunker isn't perfect like people we a bitch about it like what this fan fucking sucks whatever and so the rule the spirit of the rule is that once you're in that hazard you can't go like testing the surface to see how it is or isn't and really there's no way for anyone to know to what degree you may or may not have, air quotes, tested it. But if a fucking cat, he jumps in and is putting his fingers into the sand and then telling

his player, hey, I know it looks like it's a, it's kind of a, there's not much sand of that bunker, but there's more than I thought. So it's playing a little fluffier. Like, that's, you're, it's like, you can't, that is actually very helpful information that he accrued from putting a sand into the hand into the bunker. So I get that. What you're supposed to do is just, you just jump in and feel. it with your feet, right?

Like, which does get tricky because people, even the broadcast team talked about it, anyone that's commented on it talks about it that you jump in, you wiggle your feet in because you're building a stance. And when you wiggle your feet in, you can actually feel the sand with your little feet and determine how soft or whatever it is, which is also kind of bullshit. Like if you, like they're all admitting that they feel the sand with their feet. So isn't that technically like you're testing it? So it is a little dodgy in that.

regard, but overall, what he did is just illegal and any law. Yeah. You might have got a loophole. You're actually like, oh, I actually dropped my phone in the bunker. That's why I ask. Because like, I've had this stance on the game of golf. Sometimes I watch it and I say, why do we love this sport when stuff like this happens?

It's the fucking, it's the dumbest thing in the world that this kid gets fucking, he loses the hole because this guy put his finger in a little bit of sand. I said the same thing. What's his name? The Canadian daughter. It was a rock, and he squeezed it. Hadwin turned out a little bit of sand. You know what, man?

But if the rule is a rule, you have to go about it. And him saying, I didn't do it, whatever. That was hilarious because the other catty would not let him have it. He was like, no, you absolutely did it. That doesn't have been a fist fight on the fairway. But, you know, like you're saying, like, I'm always looking for fucking ways to get around shit like that. Like, if I could just drop, like, oh, sorry, drop my. It's cheap.

You're always looking for ways. Yeah, it's like it's, you, you, you, you, you, Like, no, it's like, why can you do it with the feet, but you can't do it with the, like, the hand, like you're saying. There's so many different things in golf like that where it's like, well, all right, I'll just do it with my feet that. But you're the worst personal world if you do it with your fingertip. It's like the craziest thing of all time. Yeah, I agree. And golf tried to make it a little more logical and common sense with the changing in the USDA's kind of, you know, like easier rules, more fun rules, whatever.

you would like to call them, but they're still not going to get everything to wear it. It makes a ton of sense. And this one, I get, I'll be able to be like, wait, how does the guy's caddy lose him the round? That seems like a dumb rule. But in the end, there's really no other option because if he did, like I said, acquire that information from doing something that like the other player wouldn't have done and wasn't allowed to do, then you have no choice but to lose the hole.

And the match is fucking over. So it sucks. It's awful for him. this is a great little precursor and setup for our interview with Pinto himself. I can't say his whole name, so I'm just going to say Pinto because I can say that one. That's his last name, I believe. We have him on the show a little later, and he's awesome. He's a chill guy.

He could not have handled it better, and to kind of turn this the whole other way, is we do say, like we feel bad for the caddy. Caddy wasn't trying to fuck his player. The caddy was trying to help him out and get him to the next round and acquire more information to feed to his player because he thought he was doing a great job. And then our guy who lost, Pinto, who lost to the eventual winner, by the way, Strafasi, handled it so well. He's posted messages on Instagram about like, this guy's by guy. What a great, what a great man. What a great cat. He loved him. Which anybody else,

like people will be strangling and throwing him off the fucking cliffs abandoned into the goddamn Pacific Ocean. And instead, he's kind of touting how good of a guy he is. So the whole thing was a fascinating story with, I think, ultimately, a nice ending. We have him on the show to discuss that. And then we also have a CEO and founder of Woop, Will Ahmed, who I think this was a fascinating interview about just the body, how you determine things about the body through simple indicators, heart rate, you know, how you sleep, how the disturbances in Trent's life are actually what they're from and how he could change his life to potentially improve his sleep, which is very important. nothing about that also is an ad it's like we just want to talk like we wear this product on our on our

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It's in that... Nailed it. It's somewhere... It's like August 23rd, August 24. I mean, let's just look this up. Who knows? Somebody's got to know. It comes out Friday.

This Friday? Yes. Which is what? Hell yeah. Friday the 21st. Yeah, so I nailed it. The early first weeks of the 20s of August, it comes out. The 21st of August.

The point is we're going to be fucking streaming. We're going to be playing all four of us. Furch, Trent, Frankie, myself, and the winner of our stream, of us playing around the golf on this video game, is going to get the one single spot at Wingfoot to play the golf course three weeks before the United States, though. Yeah, and it's a crazy way of doing it. And, I mean, it's the world we live in now. We're extremists taking over in virtual video games are the thing. I think I have a little bit of an advantage, Trent, as well, because we've played the game before.

so I don't know what we're going to do with Riggs and Lurch kind of got shafted there, but also like with everything going on, it's like the only way we can really do it in this timely of a manner. I do. I have to, so we have early access to the game because we're going to be streaming the shit out of it on Wednesday, at 8 p.m. On our YouTube page,

is that where we're streaming it on our YouTube page? It's the most important stream like ever because it actually has real meaning to it. Like it's crazy to think that whoever wins I gets to go play Wingfoot. Riggs, are you going to try to get some games in? I've, like you said, Frankie and I have a little bit of an advantage because we've played it before. I've probably played five rounds total, not a ton.

And if you are going to get some swings in, I will scouts on or I won't play until we play on Wednesday. Wow. Frankie won't make that Scouts oner, I guarantee you that. What I don't want, what has already happened a little bit in the chat, as soon as we came up with this idea

to stream for the spot at Wingfoot, Riggs just put it out there being like, That's kind of an advantage for the people who've already played it. Nobody responded to it. But I knew where it was going to go because I feel like, say, me or Frankie ends up winning or dominating. And then Riggs is going to be like, well, you guys had early access and I didn't play. No, scouts honor, I won't bitch about that fact after or at any point. Because I think I have enough time.

I think two days is enough time. I can get some rounds in. I will say, I don't have high expectations. Frankie knows this. Tiger Woods golf. really good at, I think, and I think we all probably would have this game, the golf, I suck out of it. I just suck. We played at Frankie's apartment a couple years ago, and I just can't, I stink. No, it was really bad. So I don't know what I have had. The good thing about the new one,

the good thing about this new game, which it hasn't come out yet. And also, we're finally being able to stream it. So it's very good news for all the people that have wanted to see. This is the most hyped up golf video game in 10 years, it feels like. Yeah. Since the Tiger Woods one came out, it was like 2004 was the last one. Yep. And they've made. The master's version. they put Augusta in 2012 maybe. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's not a lot of height. I was about to say it in 2014.

Yeah. Because then Rory came out after that. The 2004 was like, it's peak. They added things in it that are very Tiger Woods-like features. Where, like, in the golf club 2019, you have to kind of like feel, you have to have feel at the golf club.

You have to see how far to take it back on little chip shots. You have to see how far to take the club back on puts. In 2K, the new version of this, they actually give you a meter. So like, let's say like you have your shot distance at 155 yards. There's now a meter on the bottom of the screen that says, all right, take your analog stick back to this meter and that will be that amount. So there's no more like feel shots on this on the lower difficulty. So golf club 2019 at times now that I've played 2K a little bit, golf club 2019 feels like rigid and punishing at times is the word that I would use.

but 2K21, it feels a little more arcady, and it's a little bit more akin to the Tiger Woods game. So I think, Rays, you will like this version much more than 2019. Still has, like, loft angles and fades and draws and punch shots and high flops and splashes. They added a splash. Did you notice that they added a splash? In a splash shot?

No. Yeah, so, like, they got, I think they may have gotten rid of the punch shot because you can manually make it a punch shot with the loft angle and the high and the height. So I think they added a splash, which is like that Phil Mickelson through the high stuff, like really high and just sits down. And then you put the loft all the way up, which opens up the club face, and you basically can spin it back. It's so much more fun. They have, like, put previews where like you'll get, maybe you can set, like, if you're playing with their buddies, you can set how many put previews you can get around. And you'll actually be able to

hit Y, and it will show you if you were to put right there, where is that ball going to go? So you can adjust off that, which is very Tiger Woods-esque, like you were able to hit every single pub because it's a bit more forgiving and it's it's more fun but then the higher difficulty ones it's actually harder so for the people I want to challenge themselves it's hard they've added so many things you can be on master clubs and it's the hardest game of all time right so what level of difficulty are we going to play on windmill i think we have to play like i've been doing amateur i think you have to play like i don't know what settings to practice now is this going to be like almost like given strokes like are me and trant have to play on like

mid amateur? No, no, no. Okay, good. Okay. I think we all play the exact same settings. Everything's the same. So let's, if you want to, if you want to tear the golf course up, we play amateur, but if you want to make it a little more difficult and then you play like,

go middle of the road. Let's go middle of the road. Yeah. Okay. We'll go like the one up from amateur. Yeah, like pro or something like that. We'll make it a little bit harder. Because if you don't have a right swing, you just hit, you just hit like,

and pro you can hit like slices and like you can duff the ball. It's like, it's amazing. Okay, let's do that. We're going to do that. One up from Amateur is going to be the settings. Do we know what course we're going to play? Do they have? What courses are available right now?

Anybody know? So they have a ton of golf courses that they made for this new game, but also the best feature of this video game is that you can play people's made golf courses. So like last night I played Bethpage Black and it was immaculate. I don't know how this person built it. Like I'm building Knives Creek and it's an oasis. But like, and you can play like, you can play Augustine. which is called Firethor National,

which I think maybe is like a hidden gem. Like no one knows that that's why they didn't name it Augusta because they can't pull it. Or we can play one of the ones that, like we can play TPC Duran. We can play like... Doesn't make too much sense to find a wing foot and try to play that?

We'll see if someone's built a good one. Like someone's built like National Golfics of America. It's perfect. Like it's crazy. So like maybe we can look and see, yeah, we can see which one's the best one. So 8 p.m. Wednesday night, we have a play-in, a four-man.

playing 18 holes of golf for one spot at Wingfoot in real life, a Wingfoot real life round the following week leading up to you. So then that round will be filmed. And we're going to see how that person performs at Wingfoot three weeks before the U.S. Open. So pay attention to that. Foreplay golf on YouTube. We're going to be tweeting about it. We're going to be Instagramming about it.

So you'll be able to find it. Live stream Wednesday night 8 p.m. Okay. Whoop. I know we mentioned whoop earlier. We got a whole interview with Will, who's the CEO and the founder. That's coming up in a few minutes. Code 4, it gets you 15% off your WOOP, your membership.

Go to Woop.com, check it out. We just rock the band. It's incredibly easy. You put the band on. You'll never really take it off. It tells you how well you slept, how many minutes you slept down to, again, the exact minute, what your recovery level is, your strain for the day. You might have thought that you didn't do much, but you're actually what.

Maybe you're playing around the golf. You walked a lot more than you thought you did. Boom, my strain was better. That's better for my heart rate, for my body going forward. Or my strain suck. Or my recovery sucked. Maybe I drank too much last day. didn't think it was going to impact me when I woke up this morning.

Oh, whoop's telling me that it did. Maybe. Maybe I'm worried that I have COVID-19. Maybe I'm worried that I've been out. I wasn't a little more careless than I should have been. I'm hoping for the next couple of nights I can get through and that I somehow didn't get it. Well, they're an 80% detection rate. That's right.

80%. Not perfect, like you said, but pretty damn close and better than 0%. Woop does all that. So Woop.com, you're going to hear a lot more about it with the interview coming up a little later. Code 4 gets you 15% off. headlines. Jim Herman came out of the clouds and won the Wyndham Championship. It's his third PGA tour victory. An amazing stat from Jim Herman, who we had him on the show. Trent and I had him on the show, what, three years ago maybe we had a long time ago, yeah. He has, in the last two seasons,

he has two top 25s, both of them are wins. Top 25s. 61, 63 over the weekend. Now I think even more impressive of a stat and this is almost Frankie fact-esque because I heard it in passing. I was watching drive time this morning. Is it no, the morning, what is it? That was the show with me, Adam Smith and

Trent and Fran. I was trying to think of the fort. It was Fran. Barstool Drive. Morning drive. That is a drive time. I just saw Smith walk by. I'm in the office. I saw it. Smitty?

Is that he said he saw? That was the first ever show. That was the first ever show that was supposed to be really a radio show, but it was only on Facebook Live. So people were drive time, driving in their vehicles, commuting to work, but they had to watch it on their iPhone. And so nobody watched it. Right. That was when Facebook Live was all the rage. That was going to be the future.

That was going to be the next big thing. And it's hard to translate into a drive time show when people are in their cars and they have to have their laptop. I'm 99% sure on Morning Drive, which I heard on the golf channel, that they said that he has the lowest weekend total of all time in a term. I mean, it has to be close, right? I could see that. 61 after a 63? Other way around.

63 after 61. I can see that. You can't go much lower. It would be preposterous to go 61, 61. 124 strokes. He was over the weekend on a PGA tour, at a PGA tour event, he was 20 shots lower over two rounds than Trent was in his Bethpage round when we went out there last summer.

Holy fuck. That's true. That's crazy. And he almost missed the cut. He was like teetering on the cut line and then he went out and fucking released hellfire on the rest of the fucking field. Think about how long the PGA tour has been around. and think about all the great golfers that have played on the weekends to go and win their victories

and like these crazy low scores you're telling me he's the lowest ever this guy Jim Herman and this guy barely plays the game of golf like I know he I never knew this guy existed and then all of a sudden he comes out and he I mean obviously he's like a fantastic golfer the guy's been like in the top 100 multiple times crazy times every time he wins he's always coming from crazy numbers in the world ranking I was reading this this one he like came from a thousand and then he won like his first tournament. He was like he was ranked like 1255 or something like that. The guy just comes out of the clouds to win. It's nuts. Yeah, he's the 318th ranked player and a week ago at Harding Park. He shot the worst Sunday score. He shot 75. That was the worst score of the day. And he comes back

a week later and wins the goddamn tournament with a 124. It's crazy. Jake, yeah, you see that. Yeah, producer Bass back there has a stat force where now Jim Herman has as many PGA tour wins as Patrick can't lay and Tony Fienow combined. The guy's a winner, he's a gamer. I mean, he says he played the best golf of his entire life this weekend. He said, nothing could go wrong. Sometimes you just step up. The swing thoughts are right, that everything's feeling good and just things are happening.

I mean, I guess it just proves that, like, these guys are on another level. And when they're in the groove, like, they can play otherworldly golf when you, it's all, like, mental, if you like, he just felt good. and he gets it done like you said two two top 25s and two seasons and both of them are wins that's just yeah it's it's he's got a lot of crazy stats with the world rankings and boom he pops up and he gets a damn thing done so good for him uh kevin kisner tied for third place made a ton of birdies he finished only three shots back he finished 18 under par for the week he won 312000 dollars this week. That's pretty solid. Ain't no hobby. He has now a career earnings of $21.5 million.

So congratulations to our friend Kazzi made, again, a little bit of a run. It looked like he was, he shot 30 on Friday morning after only posting one under on Thursday. And then he shot 30. And you're thinking, oh, shit, kids could go real low and get into it. He did again. He posted 18 fucking under par and finishes, you know, tied for third. So you'd think 18. you're going to be in damn good shape. But still, great week for kids. He also had a teen 19 at the PGA championship. So he's playing some good golf, something to keep an eye on.

It's the moon boots. The moon boots. The moon boots putting. A lot of people were raving about those kids of all people. I mean, what an athlete. He's balancing on these damn tennis balls. He's got himself strapped into a couple tennis balls on a putting green. And he's just rolling putts.

I don't know what it does. I don't know the science behind it. I have no fucking clue. I do know Kevin Kiz is one of the best putters on planet Earth. True. So what he's doing, and we saw it up close in person, that Kiz is a lock. I mean, we've seen it two rounds now up close in person,

playing against us, but he really, anything inside of 10 or 15 feet, it feels like it's impossible for that man to miss. So if it takes him standing on fucking moon boots before his round to get that done, good for Kiz. Again, I don't know what it does. I have no fun.

Yeah, and also like in his little, in that little clip he was it is all for balance and then like in the clip he like fell over a little bit like he caught himself with the putter so obviously he's working on it it's not really working that well or that's what you're supposed to do but he like fell over and catches himself with the putter it's very funny not to say that i could do that like i wouldn't even try and step on fucking tennis balls just a little bit of cleanup here jim herman hundred twenty four in the weekend tie is the lowest 36 whole total in pg jrador history steward appleby 2010 greenbriar quick cleanup but that's to get ahead of it. Also, he's won three PGA tour win. He has three PGA tour wins all coming

after he turned 38. Like, what the fuck has this guy been doing? I saw that. That's, that's an outrageous stat. Who gets, who becomes their best when they're like 38 or 39? That just doesn't make any. I mean, it gives me a lot of hope as a 33 year old that like, okay, okay. Like, that's five years after now. I'm pathetic now. My Woot Band tells me every day how pathetic I am, telling me that he's going to go get his peak, his optimal performance and career moments in the next instill the next 10 years. It's crazy. So the whole thing is he came out of nowhere, he came out of the clouds and he got the thing done. So good for Jim Harmon. And again, if you want to hear him on this show, it was like three years ago that we interviewed him.

So you can probably go find that one and check it out. Rob Oppenheim had a mid-round injury that I think we can all relate to. This tweet says, Doddy Pepper reporting that Rob Oppenheim is dealing with injury at the Wyndham after sticking his hand in his golf bag and catching a sharp pencil edge under his fingernail. fucking so that's such that's the softest headline there was a time where i think justin burlander missed a game because he broke his fingernail which is like more reasonable i guess because he's a pitcher and like when you're pressing down on the pitches it's you're obviously going to fucking miss the game but like i don't want to hate on how much that probably hurts

it's just a really tough headline like rob obenheim cannot can no longer play his unfit to play his sport because a sharp little pencil went under his fingernail. But, I mean, aside from that, like aside from the headline, it fucking hurts, man. That fucking hurts. Yeah, it's, it's like if someone said, you know, he's questionable in tonight's NHL game because he, like, stubbed his toe. You're like, what a coward. But also everyone's like, man, stumbling your toe sucks. So, yeah, I laugh, but I also thought, like, man, he must, he is dealing with a real injury like that. when you stab yourself with a pencil under your fingernail? Oh, that hurts.

Dude, when you, like, cut your fingernails too short or, like, something happens, like, and then you go on golf, like, it's got that burning sensation, like, on the edge of your finger, and you're like, oh, man, I don't know if I can play today. This is fucking, I cut my fingernails a little too short. Like, it's like that raw feeling. I know what that feels like. And it probably, honestly, he couldn't swing the golf club because it probably hurts so bad that, like, it probably lifted up his fingernails something.

Those fucking pencils. Those fucking pencils are something, man. It's actually a really sharp one. Ooh, it's been a real up and down a couple of weeks in terms of where do we place golfers on the athlete spectrum, right? Because we had Tiger Woods, you know, greatest athletic performance of all time catching a golf ball with a T, you know, potential between his fingers. And we got Kevin Kisner on Moonboots.

And we got Rob Oppenheim hurting his finger because he, you know, pencil stabbed them. And then yesterday also, did you guys see the Siwu Kim video of him? putting the ball on the tee with his foot. That was awesome. That was awesome. That's legitimately impressive. I know we're sort of in this satirical mode where we're calling Tiger catching that ball the greatest athletic achievement of all time.

But I think Seawu Kim putting that ball up on a tee using just his foot and the head of his driver is legitimately impressive. I don't know if I could do that. Dude, I think we've seen someone do that before, like live. I think it may have been Tiger at Beth Page. I think Tiger did it. I think Tiger did it. I think we were standing on the driving range and he did it while talking.

I'm like, oh, what up Scott? He was talking to like Robbie Mac. Like, oh, you see that guy? And he just easily just put the ball on the tee. You might have a new daily nine on your hands trying this goddamn thing trying to get it on the tea. If you think I'm not going to be trying to do that and how fucking hard that one's going to be. Because that one I actually want to do it. And I don't know that I can't because I think I can lift it, but the smoothness and to just place it on a tee.

Are you fucking kidding me? I also don't think. Yeah, that's it. I don't have the stability muscles. Like, I think my body would be shaking because it's not, the core isn't strong enough. Seawu Kim must just be built like an ox because he put that thing down there and did it like it was no problem. He might be like a sneaky thick boy because he, I think, yeah, I think he is too. He pounds the ball.

And so that's got to come from somewhere. Speaking of Tiger Woods, him and J.T. are at Wingfoot today. Bummer, they couldn't have got out there, you know, a week. from now when one of us who wins our little match is going to be out there. But Hager and J.T. getting a little practice round in en route up to Boston for the beginning of the playoffs this week. Nice to see them out at Wingfoot.

Saw a couple T shots, saw them hitting a bunch of puts and chips around the greens, kind of getting some time. So anytime we get to see that the boss man's out there, that means he's playing in the U.S. Open. He's planning to be there. All good signs. So I love it. I love that he's taking it so seriously that he's doing a practice round.

and perhaps the more important storyline from the weekend related to this man is that Charlie Woods absolutely destroyed the field in a junior tournament shoots a three under 33 on nine holes with Tiger on the bag to win by five shots. Tiger carrying the bag is something that was a little bit alarming. I don't know that I wanted to see that with the back and the history, but Charlie Woods now just stomping people in golf tournaments at age fucking 10. Great to see.

I have a question for the group here. How excited are we allowed to get about this? Because I'm pretty fucking excited. Yeah, there's always going to be internet outrage. I actually talked about that a little bit on the rundown. They were just recording in the office. And we were just talking about whatever, sports here at parcel sports. And one of the things I brought up the fact that I've seen some people being like,

are we really doing this again with Charlie? Can't you just let him be his own kid? kid and not it's like all right i understand that there could have been some shit about like taking a video through the trees of his swing when he's at like a driving range he played in a tournament he absolutely destroyed the field charlie woods is here chuck is here now like he's he's playing in turn him tiger woods is now carrying his bags in the tournament he's he's looking at other opponents in the eye and just fucking destroying them and then yes we're allowed to be excited because this kid bro we get excited for like lebron's son

when he was like, right, 12 years old dunking and shit. Like, we love phenoms in sports. Bryce Harper was hitting home runs at Tropicana Field when he was like 13 years old. I'll always remember sitting in middle school watching this kid. I was at Woodland Middle School. I remember sitting in, like, the computer room. And someone sent me a link to a YouTube page of this kid who was like our age, hitting absolute moonshots in the Tropicana Field.

And I'm like, I fucking love Bryce Harper. Like, I cannot wait for this guy to make the MLB one day. And now he's just like a $400 million. man hitting home run. So like I love that shit. And the fact that we have another woods in this line of like, it's going to be like, it's going to be like a Roman empire where there's going to be so many woods is now. Like it's just going to keep going. This is just like Tiger Woods is just like the first. And like we're going to go on and on and on long after we're all gone. Maybe just a little after Bryson dies. We'll see because he'll be there for fucking 200 years. You'll see like three or four

is I'm already putting pressure on Charlie's kid, all right? Like, you want to tell me, I don't know that supposed to put pressure? I'm going to, after Charlie wins all the majors in the world, I'm going to put pressure on his kid. Just give it to me. I want the Woods family to live on forever. And play golf. Yeah. No, I'm fully on that side, too.

I think it's Tiger Woods's son taking up the game of golf and being awesome at it. That's something we are going to talk about and get excited about. And if you look at some of the interviews that Tiger has done, he talks about it. Like he's excited about it. He likes that he gets to spend time with his son, like he got to spend time with Earl. It is, it's this lineage of golf greatness that we're now just seeing start again with Charlie.

And the fact that he was the only one under par in that night hole tournament and that he just smoked those kids, like we are going to get excited about it and we're going to talk about it. Charlie Woods is here to stay. And it's just fun, right? Like we're not doing the people that are pessimistic about it and leave the kid alone. We are leaving the kid alone.

Right. We're not over here like breaking down his attitude on the course and how he should be a better person. No, we're doing very surface level excitement about the fact that Charlie Woods, the son of the greatest player and the biggest driving force, the biggest needle mover in the history of golf, arguably in the history of any sport, that his son is now winning golf tournaments. We're just getting excited about it. We saw his swing. His swing looked great. Everybody was positive. about it. And then now we're seeing a scorecard and a result and a leaderboard where he won. We're just getting excited about it. Tiger Woods himself, who's one of the biggest celebrities on earth, was there, catting for him publicly. People took photos, put it up on their Instagram. It's all positive. Now, again, if we were breaking it down, like, well, Charlie Woods is really

going to need to improve this in order to be a respectable young man, you would be a scumbag if you did that. All we're fucking doing is saying, oh, baby, look at this. We could have several more decades, maybe centuries of the Woods dominance in golf. That is very cool and exciting. We'll see you when you get here in eight years, Charlie Woods. Right. Keep it out. We are not the guys, the adult men on Twitter who will tweet at high school football recruits and being like, hey, come to our school. Come here. Come play for us. We're nowhere near that. We're exactly what Riggs is saying. It's, you know, it's surface level excitement for the sun of the greatest golfer of all time to seemingly be very good at golf. That's what it is.

and to kind of, you know, validity that excitement, I mean, I put up just a simple tweet that said it's happening the second coming. It's just got a little screenshot of the leaderboard

and of Tiger and the crew walk and laugh and having a good time. It's got 21,000 likes in 16 hours. So people are into it. People are just like, all right, this is great. Something to keep your eye on.

Go live your life, Charlie, Tiger, have a great time. We're not going to bother you. We're just giving a little bit of a nod and a little bit of a, who, Charlie, keep it up. good game. He fucking dusted everybody. He shot three under, three under four on nine holes. Let's go. So keep it up, Charlie. Excited to see you win the Masters. Somebody did send a

from the gallery that said, this is from Hayden. It said, if Charlie winning 20 majors guaranteed Tiger winning 19 majors, do you accept that reality? Yep. Because it's a woods. No. It is Tiger. No, I don't accept. You don't accept that? No. I don't know either. Tiger Woods has to be the, I just went on a rant about how we need,

like the Woods is to dominate golf for all time. But Tiger Woods needs to be the best golfer of all time. No, no, no. Yes, because there will never be another Tiger Woods. Like his storyline, his attitude, his tenacity, his pizzazz, his funk, everything about him. There will never be another Tiger Woods. Charlie will be just as good.

maybe better, like, who knows, because he has, like, he has better, he has a better teacher in Tiger Woods now. The fact that we would have to sign up for Tiger to lose to someone, regardless, I don't even think Tiger was after that. No, you call me an Iowa Simpleton all the time. You're being an idiot out walking around. You're being a Long Island simpleton right now. As long as there is a Woods on the top of the golf major championship, most wins of all time, who cares? And Tiger would be right under him.

It's a Woods dynasty. How can you, like you said, how can you, you know, wax poetic about Woods Dynasty and then not one of Woods dynasty? Because it's going to be like if Charlie ends up with 17 or 18, that's fine. Like you can't have Tiger Woods not be. Tiger Woods is why we are excited for Charlie Woods. So we must have him at the top. This is, it's the Woods family dynasty against Jack Nicholas right now. That's what it is.

And right now it's Tiger Woods against Jack Nicholas because he's the only Woods in place. play right now. But if you, another woods enters the fray and Tiger, if the hypothetical that we're going off of is that Tiger has 19, then he beats Jack. And that's what we always argue about. So then it doesn't matter who gets to the top. And if it's another woods, then even better. It has to be a woods at the top. Yeah, I am waiting for Jack to come out with some outrageous quote about, yeah, I saw Charlie and Ty, you know, I wouldn't raise my kids that way. But, Yeah, I guess I'm preparing for him to prepare, you know, his angle and his spin zone on the whole thing because the Nicholas dynasty can not be happy about what I know what Jack's angle is going to be. And you touched on it there, Riggs.

He'll say, boy, I don't know if you want to put that much extra. That was high expectations on him. I don't know if he's pretty young, you know, let the kid do what he wants, blah, blah, blah, expectations, high expectations. That'll be Jack's angle. You want to talk about high expectations. I know this is a hockey podcast. I had to get this in. Are the New York Islanders going to win the Stanley Cup?

And if so, is that my demise? Like, is this the year the Islanders do it because I can't celebrate with the players and the Cup? Like, I'm finally in there. Do you want them to win? Do you want them to be my question? I was going to say, are you ready to admit that somewhere deep in your head, in your brain, you are thinking, boy, I hope they don't win at this year.

I want them to win, and I want them to win every single game they play. I want them to win the Stanley Cup. my only fear is that it's going to cause me for the rest of my life to sit here on podcast and talk everyone until I have a fucking, my brain explodes that this meant like the same thing as the other years and like you guys can't take anything away from them. I'm always going to have to fight that battle. I'm not counting. We're going to tell you for everything.

We're going to tell you for every nothing right now. And when this podcast comes out, they played at night for the sweep of the Washington Capitals. It would be two years in a row sweeping Sydney Crosby and Alex Olvechgen. This team is here to stay. they have all the building blocks to be a fucking force in the playoffs. Like they are actually, they have the best coach in the league.

And then all of a sudden now they just have good goaltending and good defense. I'm not here to talk about hockey that much. I'm just saying, someone asked me the question, would you guarantee a Stanley Cup this year if it meant they can't win the next like 10 years? Or would you say like no to this year if it means like they're going to, they'll be in the same spot the next five years with the chance. Like they get to the second round and then you,

And then, like, Nate, like, natural shit happens. Like, you can't, you can't. Let the chips fall where they go. You know what I mean? What's your answer? Yeah. I, I want it so bad to say I want, like, I want to be there those other years because no one loves being at the Coliseum and, like, being at Borrellys and drinking after

the games. That's my life. That's legitimately the only thing that I enjoy, like, in life. So the fact that I'm, like, the fact that they're on this winning streak and I can't be there going nuts and fucking going crazy. kills me, but I still have to pick the Stanley Cup. I'm not picking a... Listen, Stanley Cup's getting handed out at the end of this fucking thing, and I want it.

Yeah, if they win, I mean, we're just going to be... Remember when the Islanders won the summer camp? Yeah, that'll drive me for fucking nothing. I will walk around. I'll walk around with, like, quotes and stats on... I'll make T-shirts. Like, Ovalchkin once said it's the same Stanley Cup, and Riggs said that it would be sick on August 12th.

I will fucking... I will be an absolute menace to society. I won't let it, I will not sleep until people give me. Here's what would be death for you. Is there anything in the audio archives of this podcast where you said that this season doesn't matter? Yes, I've said many times that I'm not excited for before because I didn't think that it would be this feeling when I'm watching the games. I didn't know how it was going to look on TV. That's different.

Not being excited is different than you flat out saying whoever wins the Stanley Cup this season is a fraud. I think I said if the Islanders win, it's fucking real. if any other team, including the Rangers lost, it's the COVID Cup and we will not accept it. I've definitely said that somewhere. You did say that. Also, you're not a hockey podcast. But you put yourself in such a position

where if it was a normal year in the Islanders won the Cup, it's like you would be basically on the team. I heard there's not going to be a fucking parade this year for whoever wins. And like, it's crazy that I'm Mack and the Dallas and win the Senate Cup. Like we're three games into this thing.

They look great. They look great. They're three games into the first. round. Right. That's what I mean. So it's crazy to even talk about this stuff and I don't want to start getting ahead of myself. My point is like, this would be the year that that happens to me. And like that my whole life is always one big circus. And it would just be like, I'm going to be arguing with people until 92 years old if I'm lucky or unlucky to live down. I think, God forbid, the islanders get knocked out of the playoffs this year. I think somewhere, whether you're on Long Island

or you're in your apartment in New York City, that night when it happens, you're going to sit there and you are going to breathe a sigh of relief. And you're going to say, I'm glad it wasn't this year because things are in such turmoil. We weren't even going to get a parade anyway. Whatever. I think that's in the back of the way. You won't admit it right now, but that's true. Yeah, it's like when you hit a really good T shot on a part three right at the hole

while you're playing by yourself. And you're like, please don't go in. Please don't go in. Because you know, even though that's cool and you do want a whole-in-one, it ain't the same. It's just not the same. You need those witnesses. people are going to call you a bullshit, people are going to say you're a fraud the rest of your life.

Right. Party is going to be happy when they do lose. I don't know that I'll be happy. It means so much to me right now. The games are intense. NHL has done a great job, just as the PGA has done. The games have been intense. The players are fucking into it.

Like, you can tell that they're having fun in the bubble, the whole thing. I'm sure it'll get a little bit more dragged on. They're only a couple weeks into this thing. I can't imagine being in that bubble for three months, like until October. It's insane being away from your family for fucking, 20 weeks or whatever.

Just like not be able to go out to like restaurants and they're having a normal life. They said they're just looking for sun once in a while. Like they get to go to this like the soccer field and play like cornhole and they get to play like spike ball and shit and like that's the only time they get to see the sun. It is in prison. It is interesting and it's with every sport that has a bubble. But when you think about pro athletes or when you've thought about pro athletes in the past, part of it is I'm a professional athlete.

Like I go out and people look at me like I'm a professional athlete. Right. Now you've got the NBA, the NHL, the PJ Tour where that part of their, life is just completely gone. They have to sit in their hotel or whatever areas are sanctioned to go to and none of them are restaurants or in the public eye. It's just got to be such a strange feeling for all those. And I've asked a couple of them like what it feels like and I'm sure it's kind of like this with golf where like you there's like an eat. So I was like, oh, is it like not intense like towards the end of these games? And a couple of them were saying like it's almost more intense. The fact that

it's like an eerie silence with like you look up at the clock and there's five minutes left of a playoff game and it's 2-2 and there's really nothing it's just like you and the other team and you know like hundreds of thousands of people watching at home and you're like okay like this like if we just make a mistake here the game's over the blink of an eye like you're it's like an eerie no-noise type of like atmosphere where it's just you and like they equated to like when you play with your buddies in the backyard like a basketball game it feels like the like game seven is like a final of the NBA finals where you're like you have to win and like you're looking at the opponent and you like want to murder them. Like, it's so eerie. That was the one argument for the Ryder Cup for them to put the

rider cup on this year, where it would have been super, super intense. Obviously, the Ryder Cup is mostly about the fans and the atmosphere they created those things. But if you imagine, like a Patrick Reed, Roy McElroy match going down in these times that they'd put a rider cup on, that would have been crazy intense just with the two of them out there. So I can see where the situation being completely flipped makes it just as crazy. I'm going to get murdered if I don't go play this ping pong match. I'm getting calls from Hank Hennees on Play Barstle. This is already going to come out.

So hopefully I win this ping pong match. I'm playing hubs. I just need to get this one in. I played golf over the fucking weekend at Cherry Valley, the home of the upcoming, one of the upcoming Barstall classics. And I got to give a shout out to this guy, Brad, who I played with.

The guy hit 14 out of 14 Fairways. He doesn't miss Fairways. I put Instagram stories up on him. I was getting so many messages. Like, what do you mean? He doesn't miss fairways. It was my first time meeting him. we played he's a member there he wins club championships the whole thing he's a plus three

he steps up to the first he drills a drive 260 270 down the middle and i was like whoa what a fucking swing it was like stunning and he's like i won't miss one all day i was like what now what does that mean to the point where we're standing on the 18th home like you didn't miss a fucking fairway today we were trying to like push the ball right in the air like get off like run through the fairway on dog like less like come on like get over there nothing they just he doesn't miss the guy is fucking nails and I've never seen anything like it. I think it's one of the most impressive things I've ever seen on the golf court. We said like, you could watch Rory McElroy

just play in a fucking PJ championship. He misses two or three fair... It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy to not miss a fairway. No, that is to just hit fairways. Like, Tiger Woods can't hit every fairwood. We're talking about him like he's God. It's like crazy. Yeah, that'd be nice to hit fairways.

All right, Frank, good luck in your game. Let's go. I got to play some ping pong. Go Islanders! Borrellys! You scream Borrellys in another thing? What a little. We got a real lunatic on this podcast, and his name's Frankie. Look how red he is, too, because he knows what he just did was crazy.

He knows. He also knows that we're talking about him, so he's kind of, he's hovering around, trying to remember. But we're just doing what, oh, shit, he's still looking. But we'll just do what Frankie does with people in there and here. We just talk shit about him. He's a legit lunatic. Yeah, he's great. Now he's literally, so you guys can't see because this is an audio podcast, but he is in one of

little side rooms in the office, and there's a little window, and he did a probably a triple take. where he looked back first time, then did a weird, like, whole body look back, and then went into the hallway and looked back through the window. So he is a crazy person. He knows we're talking about him, and it feels good to talk shit about him behind his back. It's just me and you now, Trent Daddy, which is a little OG.

Yeah, it's a throwback. So I want to address before we throw it to the interviews here, that I had a wild round this past weekend on Saturday. I was out there playing, and I posted, I put this on Twitter and on Instagram, but I posted an 80 within 11. And I've never played a round quite like that. I do consider myself a pretty conservative player.

I don't have the ball very far. So it's pretty, I don't make huge numbers and I slap it around and I usually shoot like 81, 82. We talk about that all the time. I call myself like Mr. 81, Mr. 82, whatever. Well, this round, I made 15 bars, two bogeys, and an 11. And it was just one of the surprising rounds of that I've ever been a part of. And sure, that's fun. You can look at the scorecard.

I did the little shot link so people can have fun seeing how it happened. I went in the water three different times. One of them was like topped. I was very frustrated. But one of the great things about golf and what I mean by that is one of the worst things about golf is that I just posted the scorecard and immediately the handicapped police, golf Twitter, arguing with each other. Oh, of course, Riggs posts an 11 on his handicap.

What a scumbag. What a sandbagger. Just because I posted a picture of the fucking scorecard. people think that I don't have the brain power and the mental capacity to write down an 11 on a scorecard but see how the handicapped system works and you don't take that. And actually the new gin app, which is amazing. My buddy's taught me with this is that you just post whole by hole. So we talk about like the equitable scoring system and how you can only take this number.

We give Trent a lot of credit because you'll write down like a 12 or a 13 if you make one. Oh yeah. Most golfers will, yeah. Most golfers just write down like a double and move on to the next. thing. Scumb bad golf. I saw Dana tweeting about that. It's very funny.

Well, the new system on gin, which is like the world handicapped, you just go whole by hole and just post exactly the score that you made. And it just adjusts it automatically based on your handicap. I think you can only take a net double is like the highest score you can take. Anybody can take on any hole. Right. So, right. So I took, I just posted an 11 there and it automatically adjusted it down to an 8.

So my 70, my 80 was actually. 77 who gives a shit who gives a fuck that's just what it does automatically cool good for you rigs move on not on the fucking twitter man man they were just at each other's throats this guy's like you don't know how the system works rigs de sambo it's just the worst place in the world i despise it i hate it it goes along a little bit with the rule stuff we were talking about earlier how miserable people can be and it drives me crazy but what i did want to point out is that during my round it was sunny a shit out i was rocking my shady rays i ordered three pair of the other day a couple weeks ago i guess ordered three pairs shady rays things were awesome i get compliments

all the time where the hell did you get those sunglasses are those like four or five hundred sunglasses they're not i got two pair i think for like 40 or i got three pair i think for like 90 total uh because if you use the code four play 50 you get 50% off two or more pair so it's basically buy one get one free however you want to describe it however you want to talk about it the guys at shady raise figured it out man they just figured out that people that companies that produce sunglasses make decent, you know, quality sunglasses, except they're able to just charge $100, which is insane. It doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't compute in the brain. Whenever my voice goes like that, you know I'm upset about it. Oh, yeah, squeaky rigs. Thank you, squeaky rigs. And Shady Ways came in and just eliminated that. They're like, no, no, we can just make really high quality sunglasses. They have a phenomenal warranty system. You lose them.

If you break them, they'll just replace them. Foreplay 50 is the code. you go to shady raise.com, you get 50% off two or more. So order yourself two, three, four, five pair, whatever it is. They're going to be 50% off after you get to two or more and check them out. Get yourself some shady rays because they're the sunglasses that we endorse that we love that we use. So go check them out. Go to Shaddera.com.

Have you, on that tweet of your scorecard, have you muted the conversation yet? Have you used that tool? Because I use that all the time. There's a very great, a very fantastic invention that has been around for a while on Twitter where if you, you know, there's a drop-down menu and there is a feature that says mute this conversation and you no longer get notifications from that conversation, I can't tell you how often I used it.

And I would have used it if I were you. I would have hit that. As soon as I hit the tweet, I would have gone there and I would have muted it because I knew, you know it's going to be a fucking shit show. You know, I dabbled a little too long, probably a few hours where I didn't. And then eventually I did.

I'm a huge fan of the mute button in general on conversation, like you said, especially most things golf related because they're just the most meaningless, stupid reactions in the world, and I don't want to be a part of it. Now, if I tweet something about, you know, like five guys versus in and out or whatever, that's like a discussion I'm looking to get into. But almost anything golf, especially like golf, like amateur play related,

like our play, our handicap, our scores, I'll just meet all of them because it's the biggest cesspool of back and forth that you've ever raised. and it just means nothing. It doesn't have any impact on anything in the world. Correct. So you're right. Muting that. And then I also mute people,

people that are just mean. Oh, Brother. Brother, I've muted so many people. It's better than a block because it doesn't give them the satisfaction of being like, look at that. I got to Trent or I got to Riggs.

They can screenshot it, send it to their buddies. But when you mute them, they don't know. And then they continue to screen into the abyss forever, thinking that they're talking to you and they just have no idea that you are just, I'm just sitting there and I have no idea what's going on because I don't see it. How about, Trent, there are just thousands of people out there tweeting all kinds of horrible

shit at us and we just have never seen any of it. We never will. And I'm sure people be like, oh, that's soft. You don't want to see that. But it's like, it's my Twitter timeline. I can construct it. I want my reality on Twitter to be the way I want it. So I can mute who the fuck I want.

Why is Frank? Why am I looking at Frankie Borrelli? Why are you back? Well, the game hadn't started yet. So I peeked into the room. My laptop's still running. and you guys are still yapping about golf. What could you guys possibly still be talking about?

We're talking about Riggs making an 11. He shot 80 days. Oh, I saw that. That was brutal. We're talking about the shitstorm and the replies and everybody like tweeting about handicapped police and what you're supposed to post. And then we got onto this fun little tangent

about how we just mute the fuck out of people on Twitter all the time. Oh, it's, I don't even want to get started on those people. I mean, it's the worst. The world's in a bad spot right now where people are just angry about it. This makes me angry, and I don't want to do this because I can't get my dick up. Like, they're just so mad. Everyone's just so mad at the world. It's crazy.

People are upset. People are upset. But we, again, we have handled these people for years now by just adding them to our muted list and thousands of people are screaming as Trent said into the abyss. And we don't, we have no clue. We don't read any of it. We don't see any of it. We don't even know that they exist.

Once they're muted, they're gone forever. and we'll never even know that they were done. Correct. It's incredible. What I was saying was like people would be like, oh, that's soft. Like I know people shit on Brandl Shambley because he's blocked over, what is it, 15,000 people on Twitter. It's a crazy number. And people are like, oh, he's soft, whatever.

But I like, like I was saying, it's my Twitter timeline. I can construct it however I want it to be. I don't want people fucking yelling at me, call me a piece of shit. I don't need to see that every day. So if I just mute them, then I can only see people that I want to see. I mean, I think Fidelberg at one point said, like, if he reads a tweet and it's not funny, he just mutes that person. Yeah. Yeah, he's got it.

And I've learned it from him, but I've got, yeah, I've got an itchy trigger finger when it comes to muting people on Twitter. I'm ready to go all the time. It's great. I love the mute button. Okay. We're actually, Frank, just about to throw it to the interviews and then we were just, we're going to be just done with the show. All right. I'm out of here then.

Great job, guys. Really good day. How about this? I'm wearing jeans and a t-shirt and like a half. and whatever, like a fucking regular office outfit. And Hubs is in like a full Roger Federer all black, like black fucking like high socks, Nike, everything. Like, I mean, I'm going to dominate him.

No, we're playing ping pong. Like you don't show up to a ping pong match in athletic wear. Like, come on. I'm going to say I respect him showing up because he's a Federer guy. So him showing up in full fed is, I like that. I mean, this is going to sound crazy. I mean, not crazy, but it all depends on who wins. Like if you win, then you're like, oh, yeah, I was casual.

I didn't care. To me, it's like, it's a basement game. You walk downstairs, you play fucking ping pong. You could be in anything. You can be in a hoodie and whatever. It's just, you're not run, like, it's a, it's a game. It's a household game. You know what I'll say this.

I'll say this. If you and Hubs were playing like a streamed putt putt match one on one and you showed up head to toe and tiger outfit, I'd be like, fuck yeah, let's go. All right. So I've given him too much credit. He's not, he did. come in a Federer. I'm like calling him Roger Federer as if like he's just in the tennis outfit. Like he's just in, he's in like an athletic shirt. You're calling him out. And you took it like

literally, which would have been funny if he was wearing like the headband and all that stuff. Like, no, he did the worst of both worlds. He just wore like a gym outfit, like as if he's ready to sweat. I was going to say, we showed up to a Dunkin Awards in full tiger attire, which is the best decision we've ever made. That saved us. That might have saved us our job. That, you want to know why Riggs was, went to Pioneers for 99 days because we wore those tiger was out. If you play it out long enough, those two things are connected. Yeah, butterfly effect. They're connected in such a way that it would blow your mind.

Like, Fourplay got so many brownie points when we did that, that like it got us like a year under our belt to like not be fucked with. Like, all right, we did something funny. Everyone else got destroyed at that Duncan Awards. And we're like, all right, like we get it. Like we're good workers here. we actually like bought into it. We wore a funny outfit.

We cared about it. And then Foreplay exploded that whole year. And then Rick just fucking went to Piner's and cried. Crazy. True. I did cry. There's a fountain that they're probably constructing to honor that moment. Yeah, passion.

Where are you on that thing? Get some marble maker. But to set the table, the Dunkin Awards, there's like a, hey, dress up and make it a whole red carpet thing. There was a very common mantra or kind of feeling among employees of us. Like, are you guys really dressing up? And we even were sort of, what's the plan here? We have radio to do.

We have podcasts to do. Do we have time to get good dress up? And I think Frankie sent out a text of, hey, why don't we? We all have those tiger outfits. Why don't we wear our tiger outfits? Sure, great idea, Frankie. A few people got so roasted for that. It was very public.

It was a problem. People that didn't take it seriously. People that didn't dress up. And a couple of those people were not that far after that fire. So you could argue that doing that move saved our jobs. And our goal, really, as the foreplay guys, anytime we don't get in trouble for doing what we do, that is like, that is like, that is like, we got rewarded.

We were, like, allowed to continue to live on like we do. That is a huge reward for us. And I don't know what hit me that night. And I honestly, I think we just got lucky because I, never in a million years, I thought we were going to get in trouble for making a mockery of it wearing a Tiger Woods thing. But, like, he was, like, it was just, that was our. thing. We all had the outfits and I was just like, wouldn't it be funny? I remember doing it in the shower.

It was the morning of. It was the morning of. I'm like, hey, shouldn't we be like wearing something? And you're all like, yeah, like, I guess that'd be funny idea. I have my shirt. I have this. And like, we just fucking did it. And one of the categories that night to win an award was a Meeting Your Heroes Award. And one of the other nominees was Robbie Fox who got a shout out from Connor McGregor in Vegas. And he had won. But Robbie, I don't believe he dressed up. And Dave looked at the card and said Robbie Fox ripped it up and he gave it to us because we were because we had met Tiger, because we had met Tiger

Pebble. Right, that's right. Oh, wow. That's just a good break. That's what you call a good break. Huge break. And then it led to me crying at planners, which is another great break. Wednesday night, Wednesday night, fucking stream time. That's all I'm fucking caring about right now.

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It kind of changed our lives when you wake up, when you go to sleep, monitoring yourself, looking at the data from your body. You can't really hide from how you think you might feel versus the real data behind it. So we've been talking about that for a while. Woop, obviously, is a sponsor of our show. They've been all over Barsall, all over the PGA tour, all over golf, which is what we do. So we now have the founder, CEO. So Will, I met of Whoop, who he and I went to college together.

So I've known you for a long time, but I haven't chatted with you for a while. So. Oh, where'd you guys go to college? Harvard. Oh, okay. I was just wondering. Will, welcome to the show. I want to, first question, just like, where did Whoop?

Where did the whole idea come from? When and how in your brain were you like, I'm going to create this band that is going to detect global pandemic viruses and PGA tour players are going to love it. It's going to change. athleticism. Where do that come from? Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me on, guys. It's, you know, it's interesting. I was, I was into this idea of continuous monitoring because I was an athlete at Harvard, and I was playing squash. And I feel like I didn't know what I was doing in my body while I was training. I was someone used to overtrain, you know,

and you get fitter and fitter and fitter and they sort of fall off a cliff. And I think between training a lot and studying and partying, and it's just sort of like all adds up. And you don't necessarily know what you're doing to your body at the end of the day. And I was surrounded by a bunch of athletes, as were you, Bozo. Like, you know, people would get, get injured. They would under-trained. They would misinterpret fitness feats. You know, what is sleep? What is recovery? These were the questions that I was asking myself as a college athlete. And I got very interested in physiology. I did a ton of physiology research was in school. I read something like 500 medical papers by the time I graduated. And I wrote a paper myself called the feedback tool.

which was really around how could you measure certain statistics in the human body to help someone, you know, perform at a higher level. And that ultimately became the business plan for Woop. And here we are eight years later. So first of all, I'm sure that these guys are loving that you just called me Bozo, which is great. So Riggs came to this world of Barstlesport and he had a choice to make a new nickname for himself. And I think that maybe Bozo wasn't the best one to go and become internet famous, it. So he comes in with Riggs and then all of a sudden we start meeting people from his past and

they're like, oh, Bozo's great. Yeah, you got off the hell is Bozo. I mean, Bozo is a very sticky nickname. And you can see where he wouldn't want to be internet famous as Bozo because, you know, that's just kind of how it goes to him with Riggs. I get it, but it is funny like, like Frank you said, hearing people from his past calling Bozo. So, Will, how the hell does it do it? Right. So it knows one thing about the WOOB, it hates alcohol. It knows when you drink alcohol. It knows how you slept, how well you actually recovered, how hard you're strained with. Now it's like heart rate monitoring. I think that's sort of the general thing people latch on to. But how does it fucking know? What is it, what actually works and how is it

able to output all this information from this little band with a couple green lights? How does it actually work? Well, I think the secret is that your body knows. And whoop is good at measuring your body. And in general, I think human beings rely on feelings too much. One insight that we had in the very early days of WOOP is that feelings are largely overrated. You know, you wake up, oh, I feel fine. I'm going to go crush a workout. Or, you know, I feel fine. I can go to the office today.

Lo and behold, you have COVID-19, right? So I think people are realizing in this new environment that feelings are overrated. You could be carrying a virus and not even feel it. And what's powerful about Woop is that it's measuring signals that you can't feel. So things around heart rate, heart rate variability, this lends into your autonomic nervous system, you know, respiratory rate. These are deep internal measurements that often you just can't feel from your own intuition. And by measuring those things and surfacing them every day to whoop members,

we're able to help someone, I think, take a little better control of their lives. And yeah, the reality is, unfortunately, alcohol is not very good for you. And it really runs you down. reality is that when your body is sick, there are physiological indicators to show that. If you're over-training, there's physiological indicators to show that. But there's also on the flip side, hey, you got a ton of sleep last night. Hey, your body looks great. Like, go go do something.

Take the day on. And so I think that's where WOOP can be valuable is helping people understand that level of balance. Some days you want to do a lot more. Some days you want to do a lot less. So it's funny, you're right. We do, like we laugh and harp on the negatives. because it's funny to be self-deprecating and how our body is. But it is when you wake up and I'm addicted to looking at the sleep and looking at the recovery.

And when those puppies are in the green, it feels like you could run fucking marathons all day long. Like you're in the best shape. You're in the best possible position to dominate everything. I can podcast my ass off. I can film videos. I can do anything and everything. So it does. It's sort of this competition I feel like with yourself.

One thing that we've lashed on to a lot are the disturbances when you sleep. Trent, you know, he's told stories about how he feels like there's like an exorcism going on with him. Well, yeah. Let's know about. Yeah, I feel like the incredible Hulk, like enters my bedroom at night and slams me around like Loki in that Avengers movie. And I, you know, it's come out true with this wearing this woot band because it has made me obsessed with my sleep. I'm always looking at it every morning. How much sleep did I get?

I'm obsessed with REM sleep. I'm trying to get as much REM sleep. I'm trying to get as much REM sleep as I can. I told these guys last week that I even bought a sleeping mask to try to help my REM sleep. And it has helped it tremendously. But the disturbances are a problem. Like I tell people about my disturbances. I average 18, 19, 20 a night.

And some people average like three to four. That's a lot. I just don't know what's happening. And I wonder if you have any sort of answer to that. Yeah. So I would say the quick hits that probably apply to a lot of people, and not just you. One is try not to eat too close to bedtime.

So if you can, oh, did I just hit it on the nose? Brother. I just saw your face kind of felt like that. That was my first one. We're just getting started, Trent. I eat until I basically fall asleep. I'm chewing as I fall asleep. How he gets tired.

Okay, so that, let's start there. That'll solve 70% of your disturbances. I think a much colder rink. room is a big deal. People generally are sleeping in too hot of a room. Sleep consistency. So going to bed and waking up at the same time, we've seen that independent from how long you spend in bed, if you go to bed and wake up at the same time every night, that actually can improve the quality of your sleep. Another one is looking at at screen devices, these guys, right? And if you can, one, limit that, that'll make a big difference right before bed. A lot of us don't. What I

do is I wear blue light blocking glasses. They're a little bit nerdy looking. They've got orange tints. But if you wear them for like 30 minutes before you fall asleep, they block out all the blue light and they give you sort of a hall pass on watching television or looking at your phone. And so I've found that that's super helpful for my sleep. And it boosted, in fact, my REM sleep. And then another one is, you know, just limiting, limiting alcohol. I mean, that's one of the biggest drivers of of disturbances. How do you feel, Trent? What about sugar?

If you're just pounding sugar, you know, from the car patch kids. Yeah, sugar's bad. Candy's bad. Caffeine, too late in the day is probably bad. Are you hitting caffeine like late in the day, Trent? No, I have a coffee in the morning and that's about it. Okay. But I do eat more sugar than you could even believe.

Like, I eat tons of sugar and I eat it really late. and I'm thinking that's probably the reason I have so many disturbances. Yeah, that's it. That's definitely it. Which I don't know. Most of that time is sugar. I would love to tell you I'm going to stop, but I cannot make any promises on that. But it's good to know the reason

I just have to put into action to make the disturbances go down. We'll see if that happens or not. All right, I got to, oh, sorry, sorry. I got a couple questions about this, and I just got to get it out. First of all, what's the meaning behind the name Wu? You know, it was really,

it was really this fun word when I was in school amongst all my friends and and maybe uh riggs over here remembers this but whoop was like this word that people used to express energy or excitement it was like uh you know bozo you got whoop tonight like you're going out and and and it was really it was really a fun word that people remembered and said a lot and you know in starting the company i was i always hoped that we could build into a bigger larger brand and it wasn't just sort of a one-off but but sort of a way of life and and whoop I think has been great for that yeah it was like if somebody somebody somebody on a group text something sent like at boys I got a ton of whoop tonight I just finish this fucking paper that exactly we're getting after it tonight I actually love that I didn't know it was

like a thing that you would say about being active and honestly in the beginning it kind of was like a weird I'm like whoop band like you say it to someone like oh what is that it's a whoop and then like it becomes easier and easier to say and now it just feel like you're saying it feels like a way of life it almost feels like a life style brand, which is awesome that you guys created that. The thing that, like, amazes me about this thing is that, like, how do you get to the point? And obviously, you have teams that construct these things. But, like, how do you get to the point where, like, you release this to the world and you just know it's going to read my, like, respiratory rate, my sleep, my, like,

resting heart rate? Like, like, how is this thing going to just, oh, I open it in a box? And then it just reads all this stuff for each person. And, like, you guys are at the point where you're confident in actually tracking people's lives and like, you know what I mean? Like to me, that's so amazing that you can just put this thing in a box and it's ready to go for whoever opens it and they can get all the data that they need based off wearing it. You don't have to adjust it to your body. And it's just works. Yeah, look, it's taken an enormous amount of time and energy and money to get the product

to where it is today. I mean, that's the reality. Today we have 250 employees. We've raised over $100 million. I mean, we've done. done hundreds and thousands, hundreds of thousands of hours of data collection on virtually every different body type that you can imagine. I mean, light skin, dark skin, hairy, fat, fit, you know, thin, wide. I mean, all these different things affect the accuracy of, of, you know,

continuous measurement. And there's a reason that there's not a lot of products on the market that do this. It's really hard to build an end-to-end system that includes hardware. But it is so much harder when you decide that it needs to be worn on the human body and not just worn on the human body, worn on the human body 24-7. And so that's where like a lot of the capital that we've raised, honestly, has just gone to that. And it's, I've got an amazing team every day. I'm humbled by the team I get to work with. So crazy to me. The, so the COVID stuff with, you know, Nick Watney was sort of the biggest case with this whole thing that started sort of people looking at whoop as a indicator or at least possible, you know, monitor that you could have signs of COVID-19. Wow.

Did you guys know already? Sort of were you guys pretty onto it at that point? And how does that work? Like how confident are we that your whoop band will give you some sort of information that you might be. in a position where you should go get tested for COVID. Yeah. So the quick answer to your question is that we view our elevated respiratory rate algorithm will catch about 80% of cases, which is not perfect,

but that's a hell of a lot better than 0%. Yeah. Now, to go back in time, we got interested in COVID-19, I think a little bit earlier than everyone else, because we had a board member named Ed Baker, who's like a Silicon Valley growth legend. and he essentially said to me in like mid-January, hey, this coronavirus, this COVID-19,

it's going to be a global pandemic. And I was like, really? And he's like, yeah, if you just look at the way it's growing, like this is, because he worked early at Uber. He worked early at Facebook. So he saw how small numbers grow really quickly. And so he was like, this is going to be on everyone. And so we started doing research on this really early.

And in fact, I was wearing N95 masks on flights. by the end of January. I mean, I looked crazy on these planes, but we just caught on to this thing early. And so in early March, we released COVID-19 tracking in the WOOP app. And within about three weeks, we had over 2,000 people report

that they had gotten COVID-19. Now we had to go through that data and filter it, but we were able to partner with research institutions to look at WOOP data before, during and after COVID-19. And the interesting thing about WOOP is that it's measuring your body, right? And so whenever people would get sick on WOOP, you know, call it calm and cold, a virus, whatnot, there would be changes to their physiology.

So we knew that there would likely be signs that someone had COVID-19. What we didn't know is that it would be specific to COVID-19, right? A specific indicator. That's really important. And what we found with COVID-19 is that respiratory rate, jumped off the page and it and it was profound. I mean, it wasn't a subtle thing. And we're talking 15 to 30 percent deviation off of a baseline that hasn't changed in 10 months. And respiratory rate is the number of breaths per minute. We measure it while you're sleeping. Most people have a respiratory rate of

between 10 and 20 breaths per minute. Let's take Nick Watney. Nick Watney had been on Woot for 10 months. He tests negative for COVID-19 on a Tuesday. Obviously, the 20, tournaments on Thursday. He plays Thursday. He wakes up Friday morning, looks at his Woop data. His respiratory rate had been 14 every single day for 10 months straight. Literally, it did not change. 10 months. He wakes up on Friday and he has a respiratory rate of 18, jumped from 14 to 18. And he goes to the doctors and he doesn't feel any. He feels fine. Right. That's the crazy thing about this virus. He feels fine. And he says, look, this thing jumped off the page. We'll put out this research. I think I should get tested again.

You know, there's a lot of back and forth. They said, look, you're cleared to play. Don't worry about it. And they finally tested him. He had to kind of twist their arm. And sure enough, he tested positive. And so it's this amazing story. And, you know, of course, he was able to quarantine and prevent the spread of COVID, you know, throughout the tour that weekend. PGA tour as a result learns of the story. They procure over a thousand whoops. and we're now on, you know, virtually every player, caddy, staff member, media member. So that's kind of one bookend story of how you can use a very specific physiological

measurement to be a predictor. Are there, you know, now, first of all, it's amazing. It's just incredible that that worked and at this time when it's bullshit. Like, how do you figure all this shit out? It's like the app actually makes me, it's like it's so, It's so mind blowing to me that someone can do this. And also it's mind blowing to me that people can like have high strains. We can get into that.

It's like I'm just not active enough. And it makes me so, the app makes me angry. It makes me hate myself. But it also makes me want to be a better person. So it's like that's what it is. It makes me want to strive to not lay in my bed. Like before you didn't know, right?

Before you were ignorant to how, I mean, you knew that you didn't work out and you didn't move all that much. But now you have an app telling you every single day that you just don't do much. Well, it's like I talked to like. there's hockey players that probably aren't even on like the whoop like athlete list or like sponsored or whatever and they're just wearing them and like they're sending me all like that game like I just went back and checked like my heart rate during like the goal and it it spiked when I scored and like when

I was getting the puck you can actually see to the minute where it went up like that stuff is crazy to me and then I'm like oh yeah like mine was a four today no like I woke up with a four so and I'm sorry to go on that little mini ran I know I kind of just derailed you're talking about the PGA tour but it's just amazing to me I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't sit here and just and not just praise you for what you've built here. I would never wear something like this around me and have tan lines on my arm if I didn't think that it's like the best product of all time. It's legitimately the best thing I put on my body.

It's crazy. Well, thank you for saying that. And the one thing I'll say is that we believe very early on that a failing strategy would be sponsoring athletes. So like in 2013, 14, Fippett was up and coming. But there was a Nike fuel band on the market. it. Everyone was like Nike's going to kill you guys. And the thing that I learned from Nike's fuel band is here you've got a company that's paying LeBron James, paying Tiger Woods, paying

Serena Williams. I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars, these athletes. And yet they wouldn't wear a Nike fuel band. And what that showed me was that the bar is so high to get someone to wear something all the time. And it doesn't matter how much money you pay them. If it doesn't deliver value, they're not going to wear it. Now, on the flip side, if you can actually tell, LeBron or Tiger, fill in the blank, how recovered they are or what they need to do today to be a little better, they'll wear it. In fact, they'll pay you for that. And so that was a really stubborn point of view that we took early on that has now largely turned out to be the right strategy. It's interesting in golf too because there's a, you know, there's a, you want to be, you want to be,

like these guys want to be practicing and training and grinding as much as they can. But also, four days of competition, they need to be rested, they need to be rest. So them trying to find that balance I match, you know, I remember when Rory popped up with it and JT popped up with it and now JT's doing, I know he's been on the show and he's going, but these guys, right, like you're saying, like to get them to wear something all the time has to be and deliver incredible value to them. Like, what do you think the difference was? Like these other, what are you guys doing that the FitBitter that weren't doing that actually made these elite athletes say, I'm going to choose to put this on my body?

I think a lot of it was a focus on actionable feedback. You know, a lot of products historically have sort of looked at what happened. And Woop, I think, does a good job saying, what can you actually do going forwards? What are certain things you can change going forwards? even just the notion that you wake up with a recovery that's telling you how much strain to put on your body. You know, at the end of the day, based on the strain, you've accumulated how much sleep you need for tonight to recover for tomorrow. It's pushing you forwards. The Whoop Journal, you know, providing all these different behaviors and supplements and diets and showing you how those things affect your body,

which ones you should change to improve. I think that's the biggest thing is that Whoop can drive behavior change and it can actually drive you. to improve. And so, I mean, the thing that both Justin and Rory have said to me a number of times is that the gap between being one in the world and 100 in the world is actually really small. It's like, I mean, you guys know this, but I think it's like a shot, shot and a half stroke average around. I mean, it's virtually nothing.

And so anything that those guys can do at that level to get a little bit of an edge, a little bit of an insight is quite powerful. and they found, you know, it turned out with whoop, they found that that could give them a little bit of an edge. And now when I see, when I see Roya Justin, like, we're talking about sleep half the time. I mean, it's fascinating. These guys are doing stuff and, you know,

thinking about different ways to improve their sleep. And lo and behold, they're two of the best sleepers in the world, let alone the best golfers in the world. I can't imagine they're eating a lot of sugar before bed. I can't imagine they're just crushing. Trent, your stuff would scare them. Yeah, no. They're not eating those candy bars late.

That's the only difference off there, Trent. That's the only difference between me and Rory and JT is that I'm eating candy and they're not. That's it. But the interesting thing is the other guys who've gotten on it more recently, I was at the Memorial, what was that, a few weeks ago. And I remember I was there Thursday morning and I was like in the player lounge. And, you know, all those guys were sort of like showing each other their phones. Because like whoops, a point of conversation now in the locker was pretty cool.

And I remember John Rom saying that he had a REM, he's not, you know, not a great REM sleeper. And he had gotten like an hour and a half or something of REM sleep, which was really high for him. And sure enough, he goes out and shoots this like amazing, I think he was leading after the first round or he was like one of the top three guys. But meanwhile, Tony Fienow, who those three of us, I think of Tony Fee now had gotten like nine and a half hours of quality sleep. a crazy amount of sleep. And so John and Tony are like arguing about how how he was able to get that much sleep. And it's just interesting that that's the dynamic, at least at this moment in time, which is, hey, we're going to talk about how we're sleeping. We're not talking about like how you hit a wedge shot or a new putting grip. It's like what are the techniques that you're using to sleep

better? Yeah, that is incredible. They're picking each other's brains on how to sleep better, which is, you know, we had Bubba Watson on a couple weeks ago, and Bubba was saying how he doesn't ever think about or have problems with the physical aspect of golf. For him, it's all mental and getting over and being in a right spot mentally. And so it's interesting to hear these guys, right? Like, John Robb could be super confident in his driver and in his approach shots and in his touch around the greens

and his putting's really solid all week, but he's not sure he can play his best because he hasn't figured out how to get his rims sleep like that. To me, that's such a wild thing. But like you said earlier, I mean, if someone's a stroke and a half different per round on their average, I mean, they're winning by five, six shots every week. That is an astronomical difference over a year. And that player is going to be a top five or top 10 versus someone else who's 100.

But you're right. In one round of golf, like, that's just one put made versus another putt missed over the course of five hours every day. Like that's nothing, but it's also a lot. So it is crazy how these guys are looking for that little minute difference. And over a whole year, that'll make you, you know, 10, 20 million more dollars than the next guy. Now, the interesting thing I'll say about golf is that I think that the players are much more collaborative than other professional sports. I mean, whoop deals with professional athletes in literally every sport. And I've gotten to know a lot of them, which is quite cool.

But golf is the one where I'll, like, find myself on text chats. a few different players and they're talking about this stuff together. And these are guys that competing to go win, you know, the PGA championship last weekend. And so that's just a unique cultural thing that you don't see in other sports. And I think Justin Thomas said that it was because he feels that he can't affect where Rory's ball is or he can't affect where Tiger's ball is. All he can do is focus on his own game. And so they all have this mindset of what can each of us do to play better. golf and it's less combative.

Whereas if you were to, you know, put Federer and Nadal both on Woop, it's going to be a lot less collaborative. I mean, they're hoping the other guy doesn't sleep well the night before, you know, they play, right? And so, and fill in the blank, a bunch of different sports. And so it's very interesting just how collaborative, culturally professional golf seems to be. Hit me with the feature, like the heart rate feature on the app with the video

because I think it was JT. he's put at, when it was at Mirfield, when we first saw that, and his heart rate was through the roof. And we had talked, we found shows from, my mom actually went back and she was listening to old shows that she found from like a couple of years ago where we talked about on this show, how cool would it be if we could in real time, you know, see how nervous someone was by their heart rate. We talked about putting them on us during some of the big matches that we've lined up for content,

for videos, whatever. So talk to me about putting that little video feature in where you can, kind of see somebody's heart rate. Yeah, so the feature is called whoop live. And essentially what it does is it, it maps your heart rate to the moment. And in particular with professional sports, if you're wearing a whoop strap during whatever game or match or in the case of golf tournament, we can actually go back and overlay your heart rate directly onto that moment in time or that video footage. So Justin Thomas, for example, makes that crazy 50 foot. put in the playoff and he's wearing his whoop and so we're able to show in you know in post

process the highlight of his heart rate you know climbing climbing climbing climbing climbing and for people who want to check that out it's on our it's on our instagram at whoop and what we're working on right now is is doing that really with a lot of different highlights uh within the pGA tour and effectively creating a process where uh we would be able to you know the game winning shot or or or whatever, a hole in one. And you can kind of go back and relive these experiences. And I think to your point, I think that's the future of sports, is it's a much more intimate, much more personal view into an athletic performance.

If you look at, you know, the 97 master's coverage versus the master's coverage last year, how many things are that different? I mean, you got HD television, you got Shot Tracer. I mean, that's largely it, right? And I just think professional sports have taken for granted the fact that they've been on a bull run for like 30 years. And all of a sudden, they're now waking up to the fact that a younger generation is glued to their phones. TikTok, Fortnite, Netflix, hell, sleep. These are your new competitors.

It's not just the NBA playoffs, right? And so I think that the sports that are going to be performing at the same level that they are today or better over the next two decades are going to be the ones that meaningfully innovate. And this is one form of that where you can bring cooler content to the game and to the match and make it more about what else is going into that moment. Yeah, it is interesting because we talk about that with, I mean, Fox, they just ended up in, you know, they ended their contract with the USGA and there's a lot more at play there. They've been doing the U.S. Open for a handful of years. But we did talk about how one of the cool things about Fox coming in and doing golf for the first time and forever was their innovation. They brought, when you get a new player involved, they bring new ideas. Some of them suck, but some of them also stick.

And, like, they were the first ones to enact and put in shot tracer on almost every shot. where for us it's crazy to think about golf three, four, five years ago and not having tracer on every show. Like we just didn't know where the ball was going. Like what we're doing? But you're right in that, that innovation. And I think, man, that feature of knowing exactly how nervous, how pumped up, how jacked up a guy was. I mean, we're going to have to use all that data for our, you know, four-man scrambles or our matches that we do.

I mean, that's going to be imperative to our product, Matt. We have to have it. Totally. And you guys can record those directly through the app or we can like post process them for you too. So but that'll be fun. We'll create some whoop lives for you guys as you're gearing up for a big match. Amazing. All right. Well, look, man, we appreciate it. Keep up the, keep up the great work. I think the whole thing's fascinating. I think just kind of how naturally it's, it's been taken on and adopted by a lot of the best athletes by us who were not athletes at all, but we're still trying to be better at call. It's just really cool, the COVID stuff and how effective it's been. And that, it just seems to be a positive thing in every realm for you guys.

So keep up the good work, man. No, thanks a lot. And big fans of yours and all the stuff you guys are doing at Barstool. I think you guys are staying on the cutting edge, too. So good job. Sweet, man. Appreciate it. Thanks for the time.

And we'll catch up soon, I'm sure. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, well. Appreciate it. Yep. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're joined by a very, special guest. He was all over the coverage at Bannon, at the U.S. Amateur, all over the internet, Twitter, everybody had a takeover the entire thing. We got Segundo. Is that that I do it right?

Seundo, yeah. Seundo, yeah. Hell yeah. So you're from Argentina. You play golf at Arkansas. You're in the U.S. Amateur. You're back, I guess, back in Arkansas right now. Is that what's going on? Yeah, I'm back in Fabio. And you're doing a little disc golf, you said? Yeah, a little difficult with my boys over here. Great hat. Yeah, he's got a, no one cares what you shot hat on. And honestly, we've been preaching that for a long time where, like, at some point,

you just, like, go out there and have fun and, like, the difference between shooting a 73 or an 80, there is no difference to me. Maybe personally, sure, it's like your achievement. But don't, I don't go to fuck what you shot. That's for sure. So, look, so this attitude, clearly kind of shone through, shine through at the U.S. Amateur, Band and Dunes. It was golf in primetime.

Tons of people were watching. You're in the round of 16. You're in great shape. You're up against Tyler Stropossi in the 18th hole. Talk us through kind of what went down from your vantage point on the 18th hole. So, I mean, I was making a good comeback. Bertie, so Birdie in 13 made a good part. 16, so we were tied going into 18.

And after a couple of bad shots, we both missed, I felt like I had the upper hand. So I was in the bunker playing an uphill show with the backstop into the wind, 20-yard. And then Straffasi, he had a downhill chip from the high line with downwind. So I just go up there, look at the fly, come back, start doing a couple of swings, you know, filling the shot. And then suddenly the referee comes to me. like near us and asked my caddy, why do you do that? And I'm like, what did my caddy do?

Because I didn't see what happened. And suddenly, they tell me that he was moving to sang and they had it on TV. And I mean, if it was on TV, it's pretty much what it is. So, I mean, I just had to take the penalty and move on. So this is where I was just talking about your attitude, your hat, no one cares what you shot. right now, I was watching your Instagram stories. The whole rest of the week you're out at like Sheep Ranch, you're having matches with your boys, you're just loving life.

Were you, like, was there a period where you're fucking pissed off? Or like, how did you kind of handle it in the moment? Because you've handled it amazingly since. I guess in the moment I kind of didn't realize what it was going on. You know, when it happened so quick that I couldn't think about what actually was happening. Then I guess I came back to my room and kind of realized like, wow, this is for real. I'm just like, I'm out of this thing for real. But I wasn't upset.

I knew I did everything I could in my power to do things the best way. And I just wasn't mad at myself. And I knew that my caddy made a mistake. But, you know, everyone made mistakes. I made many mistakes. So I couldn't blame him for making an honest mistake. So you didn't break it. You didn't break anything in your hotel room because like Riggs is saying, it's very admirable the attitude that you had towards this because other people would freak out.

They'd go crazy. But you've been empathetic towards your caddy this entire time. And it's admirable. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I just didn't feel like just napping on would be of any benefit. He just didn't feel like that's going to help me in any way. So I just understood that he's just a guy like I am. and he was really passionate.

We were a really good team coming to the band. So, I mean, he's a good guy. He just dropped the ball, and we all dropped the ball sometimes. Yeah, I saw your, you did post, and I tweeted this out, a bunch of people kind of shared this, that you posted about your caddy, Brent Brewer, I believe that's his name. You put up he's a good guy and a great friend.

This can happen to anyone, my man. And it did sort of, I don't know, it kind of changed my mind. opinion on the whole thing where I was like I was thinking strangle this fucking guy he blew it and meanwhile you're like no he's he was actually doing everything he could he was jumping in and trying to make sure we had a good feel on the lie and the situation and what we needed to do like he was your guy through the whole thing and I think that it showed everyone a ton of character and it sort of made everyone kind of stop and pause a little bit when I saw you post that of man there's way more

important things that guy's clearly not feeling great about it and I just thought the way that handled it like trend said it's it's been incredibly admirable yeah like i got so many instagram messages have to happen like i've answered already over 500 messages uh from different people friends and also people that i don't know but the only messages i don't answer are like the ones to say what was your cat to think you know why did he do it i'm like and he just made a mistake i mean if i can't forgive him that i'm playing in a tournament i got dq and so can you who are just sitting in your couch and just texting me Right, it's true.

Yeah, it's so true. It's spot on. So was he, he's like a local caddy? He's a local caddy. He works there in band. He's always been a caddy there. Yeah, it's interesting. If I go out there, I'd love to have it.

You know, I'd love to request him. Like, no, that guy, because like you said, he's trying to do the best that he possibly could. He's on your team. You guys said, you're in the round of season. So you've done incredibly well throughout the week. to end like that. Like, I don't, I, I, I felt so much, like, love for you showing the guy I love, because I'm sure it meant the world to hit.

Yeah. I mean, I want to, I'm trying to get a Straffasi to play a match against me, a rematch, and I want to bring my caddy. I want to bring Brian to play to come to category for me. We got to get that going. That's a great idea. Yeah, I think it would be nice. Yeah, I saw your quotes after because you did say, you're like,

I'm looking for the rematch. Like, I, you know, Strafasi, Tyler, Tyler, went on, won the whole thing, played great. But you had them in good shape. You were looking really good. You were looking fantastic. So I think we got to get a rematch set up. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

I think we found some redemption for myself and my caddy. So, yeah, it would just be awesome. Get all the boys out there. Have you talked to him at all? Have you talked to Tyler? I haven't talked to Tyler. Like, we're not really, we were, we just made of the tournament, But I'm going to talk to him soon just to offer him the rematch and tell him that he played real well.

He definitely did have a good tournament. So I'm going to give him my congratulations on the win. So talk to me a little bit about Bandon. I mean, had you, did you know much about Bandon before the tournament? And were you excited to get out there? Had you heard a lot about it? I played Bander last year, 2019 in the Guns Tragans Tric College. I think of Bandon Dinsett.

And it was the best place I've been to. That's what I thought that time. And then I was so excited that it was playing in banding because I played that course and I played relatively well in that tournament. So I thought I had a lot of advantage in most of guys because nobody actually played that before. And I don't know. It's just a magical place that I loved coming back to.

Yeah, because it's so different than a lot of the type of golf that you guys play. So you had to think, having been there, having experienced it. I mean, it's pretty much true links golf and the closest thing that you can find over here. Yeah, it is true links. And, I mean, it's awesome. I don't know if you've been out there,

but it's just great. Yeah, I've been a couple times. You guys have not. Frankie actually turned down. Frankie turned down. Yeah, my girlfriend's family was all going there, and they, I don't know, they picked the one weekend I couldn't go,

and I'll never forgive them. They brought me back a stuff. a quarter's it from there just to tell me that I missed the best trip of all time. I won't even wear it. I mean, the place looks incredible. Especially with the Marine layer coming in. It feels like you're playing in like a Star Wars like film or something.

It's insane. If you want, I can send you like a ballmarker like for you to feel like. Okay. Yeah, great. Fucking. Of course. Look out red his face.

It's so red. Incredible. Yeah, that's a good one. So what's next? When are we going to see you out there again? When are we going to see playing again? I don't know, man. I mean, if we have a college season,

hopefully in some ACC events that we play. But I truly don't know what's going on with this COVID-19th thing. Everything is crazy. And everything can't change in a minute, you know? Yeah. True. For you, I know you were kind of considering even being around this part of the world this time of year, right? With everything going on?

So I went back to Argentina for like four months. They couldn't play golf for, like, like a month and a half for too much. But I had to come back because I couldn't miss the USM at Benin. So tell me a little bit about back home. What's golf like back home? Where did you grow up playing? Grew up playing, you know, O'Hale Cabrera?

I play in the same golf course that he does. We live pretty close to each other. So I play in a course in Cordoba, which is really, really nice. you know him pretty well yeah I know him pretty well he's a great guy he texted me right after what the incident happened

saying a lot of good stuff he's a great player and he's kind of like my mentor even though he doesn't know about it yeah I love him he's one of those guys like he's got what three wins and two of them a rangers I think yeah

he just doesn't he just doesn't give a fuck to be honest he just goes out there when we played before coming here, he says like, man, I haven't swung a club like in a month. Does half a swing, strives the driver down the middle, 285 carry? I'm like, dude, this guy's amazing.

He did that the whole round. That's awesome. That's incredible. Well, look, man, I know you guys are out looking to have a good time. Let's work with Tyler. Let's get that rematch set up. For sure, man. I mean, I'm all about it.

We just got to get him gone. We can figure that out. We can convince him. We have ways. for sure that's awesome all right well look we appreciate the time i think you handled the whole thing incredibly well you played great you were in good shape to keep going it could have won this damn thing so uh so keep the head up and keep that good attitude we love it thank you man uh it was awesome talking to you guys and yeah i really do think i could have won but i guess i guess cabreira won at ogman

it's good dios i'm just going to be next year so there you go i'm not able to do it too it's going to be It's going to be your year. You got all the good karma, too, I think. Hopefully. All right. Have fun. We appreciate your time. Thanks, man. See you.

See you. See you.