Fore Play - “This is the best Ryder Cup team ever assembled, and Tiger Woods will win again” with Brandel Chamblee

Episode Date: September 6, 2018

Our old pal and recurring guest Brandel Chamblee joins the show for the first time since January. Golf's top analyst details what his “time off” looks like (ie: how meticulously he prepares for Ryder Cup coverage). Brandel then dissects the course, the teams, the pairings, and the players. Frankie (tries to) grill him on his Tiger takes; Brandel's wife Bailey makes her first cameo; we get the Cabot hole-in-one story that ruined Eamon Lynch's week; Frankie freaks out when Brandel refers to Bryson's game as “magic.” It's a full show. Proper show. Come ride with us!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, Playtrons. Welcome to another episode of ForPlay. It's myself. Slim Daddy Trent. Hello. Frankie Broley, Butternives, The Pizza Maker.

Hello. It was a hell of an intro I just gave you. That was great. Frankie Brelly, the pizza maker, Butternives. I think you went the other way around. We have a big show this week. We have Brandel Shambly. our good buddy Brandel,

the number one commentator in the game in the world of golf. He's on golf channel. You know him, we've seen him a million times. We've had him on the show. I think this was the fourth time. Yep.

I believe we did twice last year and then once at the beginning of this year. We cover a ton. We talked with Brando for about an hour and a half. Yeah. So we got, we didn't have a show on Tuesday because of the short week.

So we figured we're going to pack it all into one big show. The three of us, mucking it up with Brando Shambly. It's a great show. People are going to love it. We cover Ryder Cup. We cover Tiger Woods.

We cover Bryson D. Shambow. We cover Brandl getting a hole in one at Cabot Links. A little cameo from his wife in the show. Bailey, his wife, Bailey jumps in. She gets a little bit of a camera. My first chance to talk to Brandel. I've had my questions about him, so we were able to hash some things out.

Frankie yelled at him a little bit. Frankie grew up. Frankie grills him on a couple different things. Frankie was like shaking. I was like, you know, you can just speak in the microphones. so that he just kind of went at Brandel. Brandon, fending him off beautifully. It was unbelievable how nervous I was to just cut him off.

Because, you know, you think about people a certain way. And you're like, all right, I see this guy on TV. Sometimes I curse at the TV when he says certain things about my favorite golfer. And then other times, like, you just like, you know, when you meet people like you did with Bryson DeChambo, you like kind of change. But, you know, I tried to stick my course. And it's hard to, like, just yell out and be like, I disagree with you. Yep. I disagree, sir.

Yeah. It's hard. It is hard. It's hard when you finally hear his voice and you know he can hear you as opposed to just like hearing his voice on TV and you're like, you're like, you're fucking ass, all you, because you know they can't respond. Right, big time. That's true.

Now when they can respond. Like I was feeling the same things as he was talking about certain golfers. And I just wanted to blurt it out like I would on the TV. But this time, like he could hear me. Yep. So it was a little awkward, but we got through it. So this show is going to be a little bit differently or go a little differently. We're just going to run right into it.

It's the three of us with Brandlis Chambley for about an hour and a half. Like I said, we cover everything. He's just one of the crew. We muck it up. We have a really good time. First, if you're someone that doesn't have time to go shopping or you hate picking out golf apparel, which is probably a lot of us,

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That sounds right. Four. For the fourth time on this show, our very good friend, Randall Shambly. We're bugging him. We found out during our pre-show. We're bugging him during his time off. So we apologize for that, but also not really. I wanted to say that for the show, what does Brandl Chambly do with his time off? Are you, like, punching numbers into a calculator? Yeah, pretty much. You know, I've got the Ryder Cup coming up in a couple weeks, which is, you know, I think it's the hardest event, at least for me to cover. You know, typically when you cover a regular tour event, or even a major, there's a handful of guys that you really got to know everything about. But in a Ryder Cup, there's just a damn many scenarios, possible scenarios, and matches to go back and look at,

sort of nuanced intangibles. And so it's the hardest, you know, and every single match matters and every player matters. And so, you know, I spend a ridiculous amount of time getting ready for it. So that's what I've been doing all day. It's just doing Ryder Cup homework. But mostly when I'm off, especially now, I'll go play a little golf and try to catch up on my life because I'm a terrible multitasker. My wife will tell you, when I'm working, I'm worthless. I don't do anything.

I don't do anything around the house. I don't do anything. All I do is work. And my wife, she's a sweetheart. She pretty much takes care of everything. So when I'm off, I try to catch up, at least try to carry my end of the business. the bargain. Do some things around the house. I could see you like she asked you a question like two months ago while you're working and then the second that you're off, you turn around and

just start answering a bunch of questions that she asked you like two months ago. That's about right. I'm like, you know, all those things you wanted to, you know, ask me or you were you were asking me to do around the house, I'm good to go. I'll do them all, you know. So it's like, yes. So the next two weeks I'll be doing a lot of honeydews or at least trying to. So Rider Cup, that's what's out on everybody's mind. You hit the captain's picks, all of that. We got a ton to get to, my friend. So lucky for you and your time off.

We got all kinds of stuff. Frankie over here. Frankie's ready to, like, grill you once we get to the Tiger part of the show. So there's a lot to talk about. I want to start with, he pulled up some articles. He's ready to go. I want to talk. We got the Ryder Cup.

You mentioned your preparation, all that. My first question is, where do you even start? Because you, all these different matches, like you said, You've got to come up with all these different scenarios. It's so incredibly unique compared to anything else or pretty much everything else that we see week to week. So you, you know, you back everything that you say, all of your hot takes with statistical analysis. Where do you even start with all of your Rider Cup analysis? Well, you know, since Phil Mickelson played in the 93 Ryder Cup, that was his first one.

So pretty much to start with that. I mean, I'll go back maybe and sort of refresh my memory on the, you know, the 80s and so forth, but I pretty much remember all that and have it somewhere in my head. But I'll go back and just look at every single match that Bill played, who he played with, and do the same for everybody on the team. And look at all the results and the average world rank of each player on the team or the teams and then try to assign sort of a home field, home country advantage. and then do the best I can with trying to figure out what strategy work, what didn't.

You know, but there's a lot of leg work there. You know, it just, it really doesn't stop, to be honest with you. But it's fun, you know, along the way you, you know, you stumble upon something that takes you somewhere else you hadn't thought about and gives you some other angle. We're on the air forever. So it's like, you know, my God, you've got to come up with a lot of things to talk about. You know, I always say that, you know, it takes us, you know, we're on the show for 24 hours, so we stay in 24 hours what you could really say in about 30 minutes.

And long after there's nothing left to say, we're still talking. I do believe that one of my favorite quotes from you recently was that you said the hardest thing about doing TV and golf on TV is coming up with new ways to say the same thing. Yeah, I mean, that's it. You know, if Tiger's playing an event, let's say, on Thursday, I will, I'll do, obviously, I'll do two shows every day, maybe three. And in every single show, I will have to do a Tiger breakdown, every show. So do you think about that? I mean, that's eight, maybe, maybe 12 to Tiger Woods breakdown.

And what could you possibly say about Tiger Woods that you hadn't said before, or what could you say about him that you hadn't said? You didn't say an hour ago or whatever. So it's like you have to come at it from all these different angles. And the same is true with every other player. You know, I mean, Jordan Spee goes wire to wire. You're talking about him every single show. So you have to come out from all these different angles, which, you know, and, you know, I hate to repeat myself.

I hate to use cliches. So, you know, you're constantly digging for something new, something that's interesting that you can share with our audience. And it's not always that easy. to be on it. I imagine it gets very tricky. Let's talk about, I want to start, we're going to get into the teams and all of that.

I want to start with the golf course. Frankie, can you please pronounce the golf course for us really quickly? Lay golf, I'm actually now. Is that how you say it? Well done. Oh, I mean, I got to be honest now.

This is the second, you know, like prudentialed person that actually knows what they're talking about that has now said that I've been saying it correctly. And I was just trying to like just English it up a little. You're trying to church it up. I'm trying to church it up. Just like add a little pizzazz to it.

But I think that's kind of what, French is just like the golf national right it didn't work when you tried to do Belarive even though Belarieve was better to be honest Belarive should be called Belariebe Belarie I don't know why we don't call it the golf national yeah the national the national course but we say everybody just throws in their French accent the entire period the golf national out I hear everybody saying it but yeah the national golf course is France Frankie's got it down so So, Le Golf National, he's been nail on it.

I'm a green beret to you. Let's start. I feel like everybody always wants to talk about the matchups and the pairings and the teams and all of that. But they don't talk enough about the golf course. What can we expect from the golf course, you know, characteristics, strengths, things that it's going to, you know, reward, that kind of stuff? Yeah, well, it's a punishing golf course off of the tea. It's tight and the rough is very, and will be, very punishing. You know, it's not lost on Europe that the weakest part of the United States game

as their driving accuracy by far, and that is the one advantage other than the home country, home course, advantage that Europe has, so they're going to exploit it, and they're going to have the rough as thick as they can. You know, there is a fair bit of water on it. risk reward so it makes it down to the last few holes you'll have some water and last holes par five with carries over water so it should be exciting but for the most part you know like Alex Noren Tommy Fleetwood those are your winners the last couple of years and they finished second and third driving

accuracy there Graham McDowell won there Colin Montgomery one there Robert Allendie one there these are phenomenal drivers with the golf ball that I mean just in terms of driving is straight not long. So it's not a great fit for the U.S. And they do that. I guess a lot of people might not know that, you know, Europe has the jurisdiction, the call on the course set up, the last couple team events here in the states at Hazeltine

and out at Liberty National. I mean, there's essentially no rough that it came down to a putting contest because we hit the ball long, not straight, and we put well. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Boom. You know, I mean, we have, you know, our team, I was just looking at it, we average in driving accuracy. Once you throw in Bryson, Tiger, and Phil, they're going to average around 130th in driving accuracy.

So, you know, closer to the worst than they are, you know, the bet. And Europe is twice as good. is accurate. And they've got some, you know, long drivers as well who drive it pretty darn straight. So hitting fairways is not our strength, not by a long shot. So given that and the, you know, this is the best hope for the European side. The U.S. will drive it all over the lot. And the crowds will be pretty boisterous in favor of Europe. And, you know, the home course, home field advantage is worth almost three points, just shy of three points. So, And how do you come up with that?

Well, I go back and look at the winning margins or the number of points that every team scores wherever they're at. And I compare the number of points that team scores home and away, and you get a differential. And it just tells you how much, you know, both teams, what the effect of being away is. And you add it, you know, add it up a divide, and there you go. You know, you get right at 2.7 points for being home, or obviously, the opposite is true if you're away. Ladies and gentlemen, is there anything harder to move than a sofa? No. Frank, you're getting ready to move, actually.

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on a bang there oh i like that prankie very nice uh we added bryson who's obviously won the last two events boom in some big fields i may just do this for every single person yeah no you're you can boo and bang whenever you want. That's totally fine, Frankie. What are this, you know, this is being touted as, you know, maybe the most talented team, one of the most U.S. teams of all time. So now that you've given us kind of some of the potential negatives, they're going to set it up, it's going to be tight, Rob's going to be booed, all that.

What are the positives about the U.S. team? Well, on paper, it'll be the best team ever by pretty substantial margin. You know, the eight guys before the picks, their average world rank was aid and change. That's insane. So on paper, it's going to be the best team ever. The strengths really of our team are the fact that we have young players on the team who grew up watching the United States get beat.

And so they play with, I think, a little bit, a little bit of a chip on their shoulder. They play more like Europe played with, sort of the same sort of mentality with a little chip on their shoulder. The U.S. team is quite a bit different than they used to be. They're incredibly close-knit bunch of guys. So, you know, pretty much every scenario that is ideal in team competition, the U.S. team now has. You know, they're buddies. They play a lot of golf together. They hang out together.

So, you know, you put that with Thomas and Reed and Speeds and Fowler and Kepka, and DJ, and it's, you know, it's formidable. You know, I'd say that they're at a disadvantage off of the tea, but, you know, we have some guys that are extremely good out of the rough and hit it nine miles. So the golf course, the golf national is only a three. How was that, Frankie? That was incredible.

No, that sounded good, Bradle. That was nice. Pretty good. Thank you. I think I can taste a crepe every time he says it. So, you know, we're grotesquely talented, you know, the U.S. team is. So, you know, there's lots of positives. The negatives are, you know, look, you can't, it's hard to get around it, you know.

Tiger and Phil have played on seven teams together, and they've lost six of them. they've been outscored on the teams that they've played on, 109.5 to 84.5. The most lopsided victories or defeat that the U.S. has ever been dealt, have been dealt with the Tiger and Phil on the team. So it's, you know, this dominant hierarchy. You know, if you've read anything about dominant hierarchy, you know, having two leaders on a team is,

is a bit tough. And it didn't play out well from 97, let's say, through 2012. Now, they've both gotten older. They've grown into sort of elder statesman roles, so to speak. And I think they approach the Rider Cup a little differently than they used to. So at least for me, the intriguing part of this Rider Cup, the most intriguing part of it, will be watching, and Phil and seeing how they have changed as team players.

And if they are any semblance of what I imagine they'll be, because again, they've both changed in big way, you know, it could be all of the things that we thought that previous teams were going to be finally realized. What would we see from that? I think a lot of that would be behind-the-scenes stuff, or they're great in the team room or they're you know they're they're bringing the guys together all that type of stuff what would you expect that we would see that would be kind of this new you know role that the two of those guys have on the team that's going to all of a sudden help where maybe it used to even hurt a little bit

yeah well after brooks kept going to the pGA championship you saw tiger wood stick around right you saw that video tiger would stick around yeah and give him a hug you know um you guys are sports nuts right i mean you're familiar with you know Michael Jordan, when he first got into the league, his first five seasons, there was no championship. The team, you know, the Bulls didn't win. It wasn't until Phil Jackson came along and convinced Jordan to sort of the mantra that he used was, you need to surrender the me for the we. And that's what Phil Jackson kept pounding in, you know, trying to get into Michael Jordan's brain, is that he had to spend more time with his teammates and hang out with them. and began to hang out with the young players and talk to them.

Phil Jackson used to say to Michael Jordan. Another thing was the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack. It's an old Rudyard Kipling quote. And he used to just pound that into Michael Jordan. And he was like, you know, this is what I need you to take these teammates out. So Michael Jordan would get early, and he would work with some of the young players on their motions and their strategies.

And what happened? I mean, the teams changed, right? And that's what I see with Tiger and Phil now. They hang out with these young kids. They're friends with these young kids. You know, the young guys look up to them. They get excited to play golf with them. And so I'm kind of looking at this team, and I'm thinking, you know, all those teams that they had played previously, you know, 97,99, 2000, 2004, all those teams we kept expecting to see, you know, this,

great sort of cohesive dominance and it's never materialized. And, you know, it's hard to put your finger on why, but it's something like two guys, two alpha alpha males competing for leadership. It's something like that.

It's not that hard to imagine that. At least it's plausible. And now you see these guys where they've settled into their leadership roles and they like one another. So I doubt they'll be competing against one another. So at least for me, that's the most compelling aspect of this Rider Cup is to watch how Tiger and Phil fulfill their roles as leaders.

What makes Jordan Speed and Patrick Reed a good team? Because the two seem like polar opposites. Well, one, you know, Patrick Reed is the perfect match play player. And by that, I mean, he's a scrambler. He hits a lot of shots that, you know, end up in foul territory. And so he's easy to sort of dismiss when you're playing against him. But then, you know, he hits a heroic shot because he can hit it high. He can curve it in any direction. And he's a great chipper and putter.

And the same thing's true of speed. You know, speed doesn't drive it that well. It drives it all over the lot at times. He's a great iron player, and he's a great chipper and putter. The best team ever in Rider Cup history was Sevi and Jose Maria Al Thabo. Well, they were very similar players. They drove it all over the lot, but they were phenomenal scramblers. And so it guts you to drive it down the fairway and hit it in there 12 feet

and have the guy or the team you're playing, you know, missed the fairway by 50 yards, hit some hero shot up there 30 feet in the hole, and then make it from 30. And then you miss. And then this happens, you know, six times in the round. That just pissed me off thinking about it. Right. And psychologically, they just, they absolutely gut their opponents. And that's, you know, I've said that Reed is the closest thing to, to Ian Poulter.

You know, because, you know, Reed's a better player than Poulter, but he's a similar type of player. Poulter, you know, was a little scrappy off of the T, but. a great chipper, great bunker player, and great putter. And he's combative in the same way that Patrick Reed is combative. And that makes for the ideal match play players. So that's the speed, that's Reed. They're the perfect team. They really are.

I just cannot imagine. You know, Sevi used to jump around. Sevi would always, you know, take the rookie under his wing and help him. But once he found Jose Maria Olivavel, the first year they played together was 87. But, you know, Sebi would play with the young rookie. But once he started playing with Jose Maria Olosol, that was it. You know, they were 3-1-0 in 87. They were 3-0-1 and 81.

They were 3-0- and 91. It was 2-1-0 and 93. I mean, that's 11-3-1, the greatest team ever. And that's where Reed and Speeth are going to end up. They're that good. Do you just rattle those off the top of your head or you have a sheet in front of you? Oh, no. I've got all these numbers in front of them.

Oh, man. What's you're saying? Rudyard Kipling, dominance hierarchy. Yeah. If he had rattled those off, I mean, we're dealing with a real genius. I was going to say, this is your day off? Jesus Christ, Brad. I could see him just rattling those off, just like petting, petting like a dog as he just like stares at a fire.

Maybe drinking a little. whiskey just rattling just like just a real astute dog like sitting there just not even doesn't bark just sits there and just lets him just maybe like a pub yeah I agree

is that what's going on down there Brandon I feel like that might be what's going like he's just there like just talking talking numbers I do I have like a you know a great Dane sitting inside Oh that's that I mean I don't know why I said a great Dane

is the one It could pounce at any moment if someone like Messes up his papers. So Tiger, Bryson D. Shambau, what do you expect from that parent that everybody's talking about? You know, I think they're, you know, they're perfect for each other. They're both, they're both geeks, you know. Tiger is a, he's a kid, you know, in that regard. You know, he's so curious.

He wants to know everything. And Bryson's the same way. And the reason they hang out together is because Bryson can tell things Tiger he's never heard of. He had no idea. And Tiger wants to understand him. So, you know, Tiger has been really, really hard to play golf with for a lot of reasons. You know, one, he's intimidating. Even if he's just not trying to be, he's just intimidating.

He walks into a room and the whole nature of the room changes, right? He's like a human thermostat. You know, he walks in and the room gets colder immediately. I like that. You just come up with that? Yeah. That's pretty good. I mean, that's what he is, right?

I mean, he just changes, everybody changes around him, whether they realize it or not. They either try to be cooler or they go quiet or, you know, jokes they told before they were real funny. They can't even get them out, you know. You know, he just does that, people. But also, Tigers plays the softest golf ball. on either team. And so when you're trying to match with him, you've got to look down at a golf ball

that has Tiger's name on it, first of all. You know, that's all putting. He's not going to play your golf ball. You're going to play Tiger's golf ball. And it's the softest golf ball. You're not playing a golf ball anywhere near that soft. So you've got to adjust. And you've got to adjust on puss and iron shots and wedges and bunker shots.

Add to that the fact that he's intimidated, and the team that you're playing has got nothing to lose. They're huge underdogs. And it hasn't been an ideal scenario. So here comes Bryson, and they're like kindred spirits, he and Tiger. And Tiger has done everything he can

to make Bryson feel comfortable. And it's paid off. It's turned Bryson. I think, you know, Tiger, I think, gets a huge assist in the success that Brian Bryson is having. because he's, you know, he's sort of taking him under his wing. And, you know, imagine the confidence boosts to that. So, and on the other side, you know, I think Tiger will be able to understand,

but I don't think Bryson would be particularly easy to play golf with either because he takes into consideration, you know, a myriad of things that would just, you know, imagine if they pair him with Dustin or Brooks or Bubba. You know, these guys who play the game a lot more. let's say scaled down way. Bryson and Bubba would be so interesting to watch. I would watch that. Bryson and Bubba?

Yeah. Oh, man. I think Bubba's brain would just shut off. I mean, they'd kill each other. They'd fist fight each other. There'd be one guy left at the end. I don't think you're going to see that team. It's just a hunt.

I just really don't think you'll see that team. I think you might see Tiger and Bryson. If not four of the team matches, you'll see them. I think you'll see him three. it wouldn't surprise me. I really, I think they're the perfect fit because honestly, I think Tiger can, he's familiar with the way Bryson breaks down golf shots. And if there's some formula that needs to be worked out for a soft golf ball,

Bryson will figure it out and they'll be better off for it. So final captain's pick, everybody thinks that Tony Fee now is essentially a shoe-in. You know, Kevin Kisner is one of our guys. I'd love to see Kiz in there. The way the pairings are kind of unfolding, it seems like there's a vacancy with Phil Mickelson that needs to be filled. Kiz and Phil were undefeated at the President's Cup. But a lot of people, again, are basically considering Tony Fianow-A-Lock. Do you consider Fienau-Lock, and, you know, why is he getting all the love?

Well, it probably is. I mean, who is going to be picked and who should be picked are two different things. I mean, fennel is probably a lot, but I wouldn't pick him if I were the captain, and I wouldn't pick Kisner either. Although I get it, you know, he did play with Phil and they were undefeated, but, you know, the President's Cup is a frat party compared to the Ryder Cup. They're as different as night and day. You know, there's already on the team a number of players that are just like Fienow.

Kepka, D.J. Reed, Thomas, Watson, Nicholson Woods, they're all phenout. They're all players that drive at nine miles and hit it all over the place. This team doesn't need another one of those type of players. It doesn't need it. They need a foursomes player. They could very easily, I mean, foursomes will decide this Ryder Cup and Europe is deficient in their fours teams right now, hugely deficient as a matter of fact. So they need somebody who can drive straight and hit greens and there's really only one choice out there and that's Kyle Stanley Kyle Stanley is the answer to Henrik Stenson Henrik Stinson Justin Rose on the other side mind you they've got the other

the other the Europe has you know they've got scores of good foursome teams scores and the US doesn't really have one but Kyle Stanley would at least give them a leg up on putting together a good foursomes team. You know, he's fifth and fairways hit. He's fourth in Greens and Regulation. He's not quite as good as Interextensive, but nobody in the world is hitting his targets.

But Kyle's the closest thing to it and would give them a lot more options. So if they're doing their homework, they'll pick Kyle Stanley. But my guess is people are victims. of the moment. You know, they're prisoners at the moment. And they see, look, Fianow's played really well in majors this year. I'm not going to take anything away from him. He's a phenomenal player. He's a great guy. But this has been an incredibly easy year for driving accuracy, problems in majors. The Masters always is. And the U.S. Open had 50-yard wide fareways. And the Open Championship was won out of the rough. You could drive it in the rough,

and it didn't matter. Mollinari sent more time in the rough than the rest. the fairway there. And the PGA championship had greens that were soft as rife avocados for crying out loud. So you could drive in the rough and it didn't matter. And so Fiena played phenomenal this year and all the majors. So we got a lot of points. But in my opinion, Kyle Stanley is the better pick. All right.

Let's get over to Team Europe. They picked their four captain's picks today. I'm with Paul Casey, Sergio, Garcia, Henrik Stenson, Ian Polt. Sir. Sergio Garcia, not had a great stretch here this year. Really not great since winning the Masters last year. Do you think that was a, you know, poor pick or what are our thoughts on the Sergio pick? No, I thought it was a good pick. I thought it was an appropriate pick. Sergio has not played well, you know, and there's, you know, there's rumors as to why, you know. Maybe there's some off of the golf course. distractions. Nobody really knows. The one time he played well in the last month and a half was at the golf course where they're playing the rider's cut. The French Open. He finished eight

there. He shot 64 on Saturday. And he is a phenomenal driver of the golf ball, even when he's struggling. And there's a sense that even if, Sergio is, you know, he is struggling, no question about it. He looks at the results. There's no question this guy's struggling. But Sergio has had times in his career where he's gone into the Rider Cup not playing particularly well, and he just turns into another person there. You know, Sergio comes alive when he's got the Ryder Cup in his sights and when he's got

teammates to sort of cheer him up. He's a very sort of, he's a moody guy, you know. he runs hot and cold, but at the rider cup, he just turns into another guy. And he's been, you know, he's been so good with so many different players. You know, he just pairs well with anybody. And he's been a nemesis for Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods. I mean, if you wanted to point to one player more than any other, that has, you know, been the perfect foil to Tiger and Phil,

It's been Sergio. Matter of fact, you know, from 1999, Sergio's first year in the Ryder Cup to 2008, he was almost playing Tiger or Phil in every dadgum match. And they only beat him once. Jesus. And, you know, I mean, if you're looking for a great rivalry in golf, you know, it is Sergio and Tiger in terms of animosity between the two of them. Obviously, Tiger gets the most of Sergio, but not in the Rider Cup. Not in the Rider Cup. Sergio has handed Tiger and Phil their hat in the Ryder Cup.

Isn't it crazy that those guys were kind of, they were crushing him in the majors during that entire stretch, but he was crushing them in Ryder Cubs? Yeah, again, you know, I think there's a lot at work. There's an interesting dynamic that is very hard to get your arms around, but it's something, again, like, you know, it's fairly, complicated, but the Europeans, they grew up on soccer. They grew up in cricket or soccer, and they're all amateur soccer players, and they all play on teams. Sergio plays on a soccer team. He owns the soccer team, and the team concept is very much a part of their lives. And,

you know, the Ryder Cup, at least on the U.S. side, there's a bunch of players who never played on teams. They're lone wolves, all of them, for the most part. They're great at what the individually, they're phenomenal, but you put them together and they're not as good. They just haven't been as good, and that's been the reason they've been able to turn things around is because they have come together as a team, which sounds cliche, but it is something like that. And, you know, Sergio is better when he's on a team. He's just a better player. He puts better.

He's not as negative. He's not as hard on himself. You know, the week he won the Masters last year, early on in that week, he said, on Tuesday, I believe he said of Master's Week, that he learned to fall in love with that place, that he's fallen in love with that place. This is the only week I've ever seen him with a great attitude at a major championship. And he won the damn thing.

And he has a great attitude every Ryder Cup. And he just lays waste to everybody. He's like Ganga's Khan at the damn thing. So is Europe the underdog? I mean, we talked about the three-point home field advantage, but the U.S. has the best team on paper of all time. Is Europe the underdog on home soil? This one's pretty even, I'd say.

I'd be interested to see what the bookmakers make. And I'm sure they'll give the U.S. a slight edge based upon world rank. and the fact that, you know, Sergio comes in there cold and Casey and Stenson come in there sort of middle temperature, medium high heat, I guess. I'm sure they'll give the edge to the U.S. And I'd be inclined to go that way myself to give the edge to the U.S. But again, a lot of hangs in that last pick, at least it does for me, you know. But right now I'd have to say you give the – you give the –

give the edge to the U.S. They've just got too many guys that are perfectly suited for the Ryder Cup now, whereas before they didn't. And now then they do. They've got all this, you know, the Spieth and Reed and Thomas

and Fowler. And it's just going to be a nice run with these guys for a while. It is nice. We've got that young crop. They're all buddies, like you said, they got phenomenal team chemistry. So there's a lot to look forward to the rider cubs going to be awesome we still got three over three weeks until that starts uh so let's jump into some tiger talk we always got to you know we got to get into tiger anytime

you're on this show we uh just you know a little uh under a year ago it was before right before tigers return in the bahamas and uh you know we had you kind of go through your hurdles you had a list of hurdles that essentially drew you to the conclusion that Tiger Woods would never be able to really win a PGA tour event again. We did have you on after that as well, and you said, look, he cleared some of the hurdles for sure. I think it's way more likely now. Let's go over those hurdles,

and essentially I'd love to figure out, you know, sort of if you're Jess Brandl amazed at the fact that he got over some of these hurdles, if you're stunned and kind of which, you know, which hurdle maybe? Because I know you have the chipping yips, the swing, the back, the mental edge, all of that. I'm curious which one is the most surprising because, like I said, it's been almost a year. So curious your thoughts on how far we've come from that interview to what you've seen over the last eight months or something. Yeah, I mean, I think I've said this to you guys before, but I mean, the most shot. thing to me is the success that Tiger Woods has had around the greens.

You know, one of the most oft-quoted, I should I say, just inaccurate things that are thrown out about Tiger Woods is that he was a great chipper of the golf ball. He was good. It was never great. He was good. Now, you know, people are going to throw out all those hold-out chips and whatnot. I'm like, yeah, that's what tour pros do. You know, they're good. They're really good around the greens.

But he was never the best. The moment made those shots great. The moment made them even bigger. But I promise you, if Steve Stricker and Jim Furrick and Jason Day had all those chips, they'd have hold more of them. They'd have hit them closer. They were just better than him around the greens. He was, throughout his career, he averaged around 50th in chipping proximity.

It's a stat called ARG. And as we speak, he's tied for first. He's never chipped this good in his life. And I didn't see that coming, not my wildest imagination. I thought he was going to be doomed for the rest of his career with some sort of chipping yips. So I said before, I would add the caveat. If anybody could do it, if anybody could get over it, he would. because he's proven himself to have the strongest mind in the history of the game.

I always said that as a caveat, but I never expected him to get past the chipping nips. Never. I've never seen anybody do it. Never. I've seen only a handful of tour pros with the chipping hips, and they've still got them. And they're, you know, they're out of the game. So that is the most amazing thing about, the most amazing thing about Tiger's return. And then once I saw that he could chip, and once I heard that his back didn't bother him anymore,

I thought, well, game on, you know, game on, because the last time he had any semblance of health and could chip a little bit was 2013. He was player of the year and won five times. Now, in 2013, he was 37, and the sharp falloff in the game begins around 38, 39, 40. For almost every player that's ever played the game, you begin to see their skills deteriorate. And so the next time Tiger plays in a major, he'll be 43. So, you know, it's good news, bad news that he's back and he's playing well and it's great and all that. But the door slams very quickly.

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Go get them. Code Barstool. Now, Brandel, are we allowed to just throw Tiger in that group of names, even though he continuously does things that just make us, you know, just fall back in our chairs and take back things that we've said, as you just pointed that you've had, that he's done that, you know, with the chipping yips and the back. I mean, I've had, I had all these things queued up and you're basically doing the M&M thing from A Mile where you just announce all the things that you've done wrong, and I just can't say any of them. Like, but to me,

like, we just don't know what Tiger Woods is going to do yet, right? We don't know what a 41, 42-year-old injured-backed Tiger Woods does because I feel like he's the only person that could overcome something like this. Are we not allowed to give him that opportunity to, you know, prove us wrong or prove you wrong? Well, I mean, we've got, let's just say that the one guy that was a prolific winner after turning 42, okay, in the top 10 of all time was Sam Sneed. So Sam's need was the most physically gifted in terms of flexibility and timeless in terms of age. The player the game's ever seen. He was finishing the top 10 of majors when he was 60, 61, 62.

I think we can, can we agree that Phil, or excuse me, that Tiger is not Sam's need? He's not. He does not swing the club longer than he swung it when he was 20. or 23. He's a foot short of where he used to swing it. You know, long swing, long career. And Tiger swing has got shorter and it's quicker in transition. So these things matter. You know, there's a reason Tiger hasn't won this year. There's a reason. It's not just fate. There's a reason. And you get worse incrementally as you get older. You get better incrementally. When you're young and you're gaining experience, you get better incrementally until by the time you're 25, 26, 27, it's just everything's perfect.

You're physiologically as good as you're going to be from an experience standpoint as you're good as you're going to be. And so you get this sweet spot from 26 to 33, and that's where you make your hay. And then you glide through to about 38, and then physiologically, there's a tipping point. and then your nerves begin to decay around 41, 42. So I hear you that Tiger Woods has done things that nobody's ever done before. And I agree with that, but he's human. And there's strong evidence that his eyes are not as good. How many times have you heard him say this year I couldn't read the puss?

I had no idea they were going to be that slow or they were going to be that fast. I just couldn't get the speed right. And he almost says that every week. Your nerves are not as good. Your eyes are not as good. Your body's not as good. Your body's not as fast. At the beginning of the year, everybody was talking about how he's swinging 129 miles an hour.

Well, last week at the Dell Technology, he was swinging 113, 114 miles an hour. That was it. That was his club head speed. You know, he's going to be susceptible to father's. time. There's just no way, two ways about it. And that's why I say, you know, even at this, you know, sort of deteriorated rate, he's still Tiger Woods. Nobody else finished second and sixth in the last two major championships. He can still do things as well as most of the players on the PGA tour. So it wouldn't surprise me if he, it wouldn't hugely surprise me if he won

another major. It wouldn't, it will not surprise me if he wins five more tournaments. That won't surprise me. And again, that's way above the average of the top 10 players of all time. I'm not saying that he's just going to win one or two more times and that's it. I think he'll win three, four, or five more time. It wouldn't surprise me if he won a major.

Now, I don't think he will, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did. I was going to bring up swing speed and I brought it up and then Brandl brought it up and I'm pretty sure he has this room bugged. There's something going on. He knows everything before we said. I think he's sensing it. I do. He literally, Frankie, we were talking for the podcast.

He was like, I got all these things. I'm going to grill Brandel. It's going to be great. And then he ate mild, or eight mild Frankie, and then he did it to me too. Well, here, I'm looking at right here. So in round one,

his club head speed was 115.4, then 113.2, then 114. And then 115.7 in the final round. All of those were with drivers. You do. And that is, the average club hit speed on the PGA tour is 113 miles an hour.

So he went. went from being one of the fastest on the PGA toward the beginning of the year to almost average last week. So, you know, again, what is that? At the age, there's just no two ways about it. Do you think there's any truth to the fact that he's dialing it back to control the ball and hit more fairways?

That's what I was going to say. I mean, the guy's been the most erratic T-play, off-the-tie guy that we've seen in his entire career. And now, all of a sudden, we're seeing his numbers drop a little bit, Like you just noted, is it strategy? I mean, I wouldn't look too far past Tiger just thinking that this is a strategic move to just swing just a little bit slower and try and get a little more control. Right.

So the reason he has to swing slower. Okay, so there's a couple things that work here. So if he were younger, his swing were longer, and he would have faster clubhead speed more gracefully. But because his swing, he's a little older. So his swing is shorter. So for him to swing as fast as he was at the beginning of the year, he had to strip the gears in transition. So yes, I agree with you that he is swinging a little bit more within himself.

But it is not as much for strategy as it is for him accepting the fact that he can no longer do what he was doing, which is swing with reckless abandon just to try to keep it up with Brooks Kevka and Dustin Johnson. Those are age-related, flexibility-related issues. They're not as much strategically. Probably he wouldn't have this strategy if he were 27 years old or 32 years old. His golf swing, if you go back and look at 2000, if you compare his 2000 swing to this swing, it's almost like he stops at the top of his golf swing. You know, like when I'm doing it in slow motion, there's like three, three,

clicks of him at the top of his swing in 2000. And by the time he, you know, as soon as he gets to the top now, he's coming down. So all those things are age-related, and they, you know, they're incremental. They're different. You have to kind of squint to see them. But they matter. You know, they just, you know, I mean, sport is for young people. You know, he's, he's, you know, one of the best quotes I ever heard about it is that all

athletes are blocked of ice. And they're melting. always melting. But he's the he's the ice dragon. You said every time he walks into a room, he makes, he turns people into ice. Like, and so I can't see him melting until

everyone else around him melt. And then he might just accumulate everyone else as ice and become a bigger iceberg. It's the smoke that walks into the room like when like Metallica walks onto the stage. He fills the room with just like cold air. Yeah, that's intimidation. And

and I'm talking about his physical skills. See, I see that. And then I think back to, what was it, the 10th hole at Karnusti when he does that recoil out of the fairway bunker. And we all are like, holy shit. Is this guy 18 years old or is he 50? Like, how, like, that was exciting.

To me, like, I mean, I understand what you're saying, Brandon. It's a squinting type of, I have to stop this at the top of this, at the top of this swing, see what he's doing, breaking it down. But to the naked eye, it just seems like, I don't know, to me as just a, it's just a a diehard tiger fan and a guy who's just watching him go through a process like we all like to say on this podcast it's a process that we believe he's going through just learning a new swing with this new fused back i mean i just see him being able to be nimble and being able to be flexible and keeping up like you said he's had he's t-2 he finished in second and sixth in major championships and like i just see him being able to be this flexible guy regardless of his age and his injuries i i mean i understand that there's probably some miles per hour different but do you think it's going to be that much of a difference in the way he competes? I mean, isn't he showing that he can still do it to, like, the naked eye or to the guy that's just watching him every day play?

Yeah, he's absolutely competing. He just hasn't won, and I'm saying that there's a reason for that. There are very specific reasons for that. You guys allude to the back nine at the Open Championship, and he hit it in the bunker on 10, and then he missed the fairway at 11, And then he missed a fairway at 12. And he only hit one fairway on the back nine.

And, you know, he was a completely different player on the back nine than he was for every other nine that he had played. You know, he's only played one tournament this year when he didn't have a bogey or a double on the back nine on Sunday. And, you know, again, that's what is that? You know, why is that? What does that relate to? You know, I think it's plausible to make the argument that it's nerves, that it's, that it's, the fact that he's nervous affects the speed with which he transitions the club, which leads to a deterioration and accuracy, which is just enough to keep him from winning.

I mean, he's close, right? He's close. And years ago, I used to say, if Plague is half as good as you, used to be still twice as good as anybody else and that was in 2009 10 11 12 and 13 in 2013 he was 37 years old and he he beat a young in their prime Jordan speed Roy Macroy and he was banged up but again you know now he's 42 soon to be 43 and and that's a that's a completely different story so yeah I mean he's still competing And it's great to see, and I think it's probably, not probably, it's the biggest story of this year.

No disrespect to any of these other players. It's the biggest story, and it's by far the most fun thing to watch. There's nothing that even compete. And I still say it's the best swing in golf. I think Tiger has the best swing in golf. You know, Adam Scott's Golf swing is more elegant. It's more aesthetically appealing. But Tigers hits all these perfect lines, and there's so much more energy and charisma to it that, you know,

when he hits a good shot and twirls the club, it's like everybody gets hit with this bolt of electricity. Everybody, you know, when he makes a putt, if I'm in the studio, there's 300 people in the studio. 300 people will yell. If I'm out on the road and there's 50 people in our compound, 50 people will yell. Nobody will do that. When I'm traveling, let's see, after wherever the hell,

what was the last event? before after the Northern Trust. So I had four days off. I flew home to Phoenix to see my kids. In those four days, in the airport, I had maybe 10 people stop me and asked me about Tiger Woods. Not one person asked me about Bryson DeShambo or Brooks Kefko or Dustin Johnson or Jordan Spee.

I think every single question was about Tiger Woods. He's the greatest player ever in my eyes, and he's the most exciting player to ever watch in my eye. So, you know, just sooner and later, though, I mean, it just happens. You know, just little by little, the skills eb away, and the wins become fewer and fewer. And we're in that period with Tiger. Well, we're of the belief that he's on the way up, not in the way down. We have gone through this.

I hope you're right. Around the office. You guys, hey, listen, I was wrong last year about the chipping. I hope next year when I talked to you guys about this time, he won seven times. Yep. And you guys are giggling and telling me I'm an idiot. we're one and one. We're one for one. There we go. That's what makes Brattle the best in the business is he can admit when he's wrong.

Yep. That's right. That's exactly right. That's that's that's that's a nail. I came into this wanting to compare Brandel to Big Cat. We have a co-host Big Cat or not a co-worker. Co-worker. Big Cat that is a very trollish tiger fan. He's been on record saying that Tiger was never going to win again. And now the fact that he's just playing better and in the mix and competing now he's like Tiger's biggest fan. is red to the office on Sundays. He's trolling us. He's trolling us. And it just like pisses us tiger fans off because we've been with them through the ups and the downs and the back surgeries and the and, you know, everything that's happened.

And I wanted to come in here and like compare that to what Brandel does. But I, what you do is just different because you just report what you're watching. He's a man. Brandl's a man of sight. Like he's a man of science. Like he sees a tiger swinging slower. He just says it. And like to me it's like, all right, well, he said that. And now like he's saying tiger like, first.

First he said Tiger wasn't going to win, and now he's saying Tiger will win. So it's like you are going on this up and down roller coaster, but I do see where he is coming from. There's evidence to back in. There is evidence to what he's saying at the moment. And it's hard to. You also, Frankie, you weren't on the first show that we had when we had Brandel in studio, actually. Okay. And Trent and I came armed with exactly what you're talking about.

We're like, we're going to get to the bottom of this Bramble guy. And he does. He just, you can tell he's not actually trolling. And I also, when we got drinks down at the PG&A champion, the night before the final round of the PGA. And I asked Brandel over a couple drinks. I said, genuinely, who is the one guy that is best and that you honestly, like, would want to win tomorrow?

And he said, Tiger Woods, because, and he had a lot of different reasons, and it makes a ton of sense. But I do believe that it's genuine. And Frankie, Brandel, I said, I told you, Frankie came in here armed and ready to drag you over. Because I wasn't in the first couple ones. And Brandel's probably the first one. admit like anyone that thinks of the name brand of shame. They're like, oh, it's the guy that just always calls out Tiger when no one else does.

And honestly, it's a really commendable thing that you do. I mean, you just like say it how you feel. You do your research and you just crunch the numbers and you just go out and say it. And it's a hard thing to as a tiger fancers accept. But, I mean, it is fun to talk to you now while Tiger's on, as we're saying, the uprise, even though you may be saying whatever is he's getting older. We're just going to block it out. We're not going to talk about that.

But it is fun. You know, people forever. have said, you know, you're a tiger hater. And I, I, inside, I'm like, listen, if that's what you think, I can't, you know, we can't change what other people think. But you're wrong. I mean, I could put together a video clip and it would be probably nine to one me talking positively about Tiger Woods. The problem is that, you know,

I first went into TV, well, a golf channel in 2004. and Tiger Woods was in the middle of a swing change in 2004 from, and he was leaving Butch to go to Hank Haining. Now, tell me that wasn't the most, at the time, the most gobsmacking thing anybody had ever heard of. He'd won four majors in a row with Butch and made 142 cuts and won him by 15 and 12, and he was abandoning that move. And so I go on TV and they're like, what's going on?

I'm like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. What is he doing? this would be like Michael Jordan decided to shoot left-handed after the, you know, 98. It's like crazy. And so the entire time I've been doing TV, I've been basically talking about a guy who builds a golf swing and then abandons it. Builds a golf swing and abandons it. And builds another one and abandons it. And it's the craziest thing in the history of sports.

You know, and these windows, these two-year windows that it takes him to, to break down and then build up another golf swing have cost him, in my eyes, they've cost him, you know, if you do the win percentages over those two years, they've cost him, gosh, they've cost him 10 majors. They've cost him 30-odd, 40-odd wins elsewhere. So, you know, part of him is the most amazing thing. And then the other part is that he's the most beguiling athlete in the history of sports. well he like you said anybody that stops you in the airport that's all I want to talk about is Tiger Woods so I'm glad we were able to get that out I'm sure this will not be the last time that we do discuss Tiger Woods we don't want to keep you your entire night but we do have to get to Bryson de Chambot very polarizing figure not just out there but on this show as well he's won back to back weeks now is there something about Bryce and Des Chambo is he doing because he clearly does all the things differently he's got the single length irons he's got freaking compasses he's all he was doing side saddle putting last year now he's got kind of

the anchor long putter thing going on has bryson de chamois like figured out something that we all need to be aware of in the game of all well i've seen time will tell on that one you know i i've seen people uh come along who were similarly addicted to the golf machine the book that he has used throughout his, you know, career, basically. And I've seen people similarly addicted to those swing mechanics. And they had very short careers, and they just, you know, basically imploded. And I expected to see the same thing from Bryson to Shambo. But the difference is that Bryson has interpreted this book on his own.

He has not allowed others to interpret the book for him. The others that came out, and I'm talking about Bobby Clampett and McElgrady, the two most prominent proponents of that book. You know, they came out with what's known in the golf industry of deep lag. You know, they carry their right elbow way in front of them, and they had all this shaft angle that they would have to unload in the last fraction of a second at impact, and they were not particularly good drivers of the golf ball, and as a result, they didn't have great distance control. But Bryson comes out, and he grew up reading his golf book, but he's the opposite of that.

He almost has no lag, and I've asked him about it. He said that that is because they let a particular teacher of the golf machine translate the book for them. And he goes, I translated it myself. I came out with my own interpretation of the book, the Bible, the golf Bible. And I thought that was fascinating. I thought, well, here's a guy who actually did the work himself. And, you know, there's power in that self-discovery.

There really is, you know, the fact that he's figured it out on his own through trial and error and that he defies convention. He's not trying to be conventional the same way everybody else was who dove into that book. And that's, you know, that's vitalizing. It's powerful. When you think I came up with this stuff on my own. and these are my ideas, and he's taken ownership of him. So, you know, he didn't just spring up out of nowhere.

I mean, winning the NCAA and the U.S. Amateur in one year. I mean, that is, these are, you know, Jack Nicholas did that, you know, Phil Nicholson did that, Tiger Woods did that. You know, these are great predictors of success. And he didn't just win the U.S. Amateur. I mean, he beat the living crap out of every player. I mean, he just steamrolled through it. So there's something about the guy that can handle the heat, you know. And it's cool to watch because he's completely different.

You know, I'm blown away watching him because on the one hand, I think that anybody that is that addicted to mechanics, like I've almost always made them analogous to say Justin Rose, who's never not rehearsing his golf swing. So when I see Justin and I'm a huge fan of Justin's, Don't give me wrong. There's all types of players in the game. But I always think you can't be 100% into the shot if you're doing all these rehearsals to your golf swing.

But Bryson is. He comes about it a different way. He's got all of these different angles and ideas and metrics and numbers that he is calculating based upon where the club needs to be at impact. So he's coming at the swing from impact back, which is different than Justin Rose, who's coming at the swing from the golf swing down. So it's completely different. It's the way Jack Nicholas used to play the game. Jack used to think about where the club needed to be at impact.

And then he would imagine what his body needed to do to produce that impact. And that's what Bryson's doing. And it's the optimum way to swing a golf club. And he also thinks about how to play a hole from the greenback. You know, he really is strategic in the way he plans out his rounds golf. So, you know, there's some magic. And, and I always say, you know, we define athletes based upon how they break from convention and change the game. You know, that's what's so cool about tigers. He, he, he transformed to the game. I mean, it's literally not,

Brandon, it's literally not magic. It's, it's books, it's papers, it's compasses. Well, it's, it's, it's, it's like lab coats. It's everything that's not magic. Tiger is magic. Bryson is not magic. Bryson is textbooks. Bryson is a geek. Bryson is a nerd. Yes, he is. He read how to swing a golf club,

and he just did it. He's a machine. He's a machine. He's not magic. I find him to be completely ridiculous. Yeah. Well, I hear you, and a lot of people will say that. But my point is that I've seen a lot of people

try to come at the game by reading books. They all do, basically. And through science. But they don't, they've never swung the way Bryson does. They've never had. There's never been a single player come at the game the way Bryson does. Never with these clubs. Never, ever with this golf swing.

It's never been done before. I mean, we should have seen this coming. Brandl has a very analytical brain. He's a very smart guy. Bryson has a very analytical brain. They're two peas in a pod. It's magical, Frankie, and that he's doing it completely differently with these single-length irons and all of that.

And even though others have tried crazy stuff, he's also winning, Frankie, he's putting it to work. He's doing it differently than anybody else and better than anybody else. I guess we have different definitions of magical. Like, I find what Bubba does more magical than Bryce. It seems like Argus'Reilly.

It seems like he's swinging like a hay rake or like one of those. No, Bubba's got one of the best swings ever, ever. You know, Bubba swings. But it's not mechanically correct. right i mean of all people it's perfect it's mechanically perfect he's got me in a pretzel right brandle writes books about the golf swing frank

he's got me in a present you're over here you're like doing circles in the room braddle's putting you in a pretzel when i see bubba swing it's like he's going these huge he's doing these huge cuts watching mozart when you watch bubba when you watch bracing you feel like you're watching r2bba reminds me of magic like he'll hit these huge cuts and his swings massive and he's got this huge fucking driver that's like pink and it's

awesome. Like when he's, when he was doing that. Huge arc. He's got a huge arc to his swing. Like Brandl's just like. Well, I see a lot more golf swings like Bubba's than I have like Bryson. When I watch Bryson's swing,

I feel like I see numbers just go around his head and his body. I feel like it's like from movie the hangover when he's. But what's exciting about Bryson is that he's doing something nobody's ever done before. Now, again, I can, I can, you know, Sam's needs swung like Bubba. John Daly swung like Bubba. You know, Tom Watton. Swung like Bubba. You know, Phil Mickelson swings like Bubba. You know, there's scores of players that have swam in the club like Bubba. Scores. Nobody ever has swung a golf club like Bryson. And Bryson came to this by his own research, which is cool as hell to me. It really is. And, you know, I honestly didn't think he was this good. I didn't see it coming. I didn't. And it's really cool to watch. And will he change the game?

I can't see it. I can't see people going to these big fat grips and holding the club in their lifeline of their hand. And I just can't see it. You know, I've tried it. You know, not that exact move, but I've tried similar things to it. And I couldn't create any speed. So it's really fun to watch somebody come along who is doing something that nobody's ever thought to do or could do. And he's defying convention.

So it's cool to watch. I agree. It's very cool to watch. These guys will never agree. That's okay. They just don't understand the game like we do. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Yeah.

I mean, he signs his autograph backwards with his like left hand. It's just, well, I mean, my original beat with him was the coverage of him. People were like, oh,

he's the mad scientist. He's going to change the game. Yeah, but you still hate him and now he's winning tournament. Yeah, yeah, no, I know.

He made me e crow on that, no doubt about it. But I still, I still, I still just find the things that the quirkiness of it. And now you have to just admit that you just don't like it. Yes, that is what I've done. All right.

That's fine. See, I just wanted to get down to the bottom of it. I've always said I don't like, he rubs me the wrong way just looking at him. Like, like him as a person. He's a great golfer. I like watching someone play golf well. Like, I enjoy watching people win golf tournaments. I also root against people that I just don't like.

I don't know how I get to those assumptions. I don't know. know how I have those feelings. It's just like when you see someone that like love at first sight. I have hate at first sight. And I had hated first sight with Bryce and Deschambeau and I will never stop doing it. He could win the Ryder Cup for us. He could hit a 90 foot putt and go all crazy. And I'm still going to root for America. But him personally, I just hope he doesn't win terms. Outside of Tiger, though, pray, who's your favorite player? Outside Tiger, well, no, he hates everyone. No, I don't hear everyone. I'm a lefty.

So Phil's my second guy. And he's always performed well in New York. And I'm like a Long Island guy. I always liked rooting on Phil at Beth Page. It was always his birthday during, like, U.S. Open. We'd always sing in a birthday. I just have very good memories of Phil. And like I said, being a lefty, I love that. I like, I, I've actually gotten sucked into on this podcast.

A lot of the Bubba hate, and I've probably been on record screaming about Bubba and hating him. I've come around on Bubba a little bit more now in recent turns just because, like, we've made fun of him crying. Like, my dad cries at everything. Like, I've just been around male criers my whole life. So that really doesn't piss me off as much, but some of the stuff you have. You have connection to lefties, I understand. Yeah. So he's another lefty.

That's the whole thing I was pointing. And I like speed. I like speed. I hate Justin Thomas, but that's a whole other. But, you know, I'd sit in a, again, I sit in a room with 200 people watching golf. And my wife just came in and she went. Randall's a male crier. There you go.

I love it. Yes. It would be great of my family. Hey, there's nothing wrong with the little mailman. I once cried at Jimmy Fallon because of the theatrical. tricks of the whole thing. Yeah, Frankie cried at Jimmy Fallon, but he came out. It was the Tonight Show. It wasn't specifically Jimmy Fall. It was like the lights came on, the roots were playing, they announced Jimmy Fall and I started weeping. That's me, man. I say the, I mean,

we go to movies and me, my wife knows exactly when I'm going to start crying. And I mean, I can't help it, you know. I often say maybe you can take this one. I often say that my goosebumps are attached to my tear. Whenever I have that goosebumps feeling, I immediately start to tear up. It's just something that happens to me naturally. Yeah. It doesn't matter how many times I watched the movie, The Pursuit of Happiness. I mean, I'm an absolute, I'm a pool of tears at the end of it.

I'm just pitiful. When he gets the job? When he gets the job? Is that when you start crying? When he finds out, when he says that line about, you know, what would you say, you know, what would you say if I hired somebody with no shirt on? Now, what was it? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And his line was, he must have had on some damn nice pants. I mean, I could start, I could start damn crying. I'm going to cry right now. Randall's going to make Frankie cry. I just got those goosebumps. I just got those goosebumps. I swear to God, and all I started well up.

Right. And when he tells his son, don't you ever let anybody tell you you can't do something. You want it? Go get it. Period. And it's like, okay, I'm done. I'm out. I'm out.

I'm gone. I mean, there's other movies. I mean, all of them. I mean, even, maybe, you know, I don't know. Yes. I'm trying to think the hitch is another one. Geez. Big Will Smith Cry.

Huge Will Smith cry. Will Smith is done it for Brazzles. Will Smith hits wet Brando right in the fields. I do love Wilson. I do. I do. Huge Will Smith. What's next thing? What's that Hitchcock movie?

Yeah, that's not really sad. No, I'm just thinking. I'm trying to think. What's another movie? movie, I just lose it in. Did you cry during like I-Robot? Will Smith? It's just like random Will Smith.

Rudy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a sci-fi guy. That one's hard. When his family's like crying in the stands, there's hard not to cry in Rudy. That's a good one.

Pretty much every movie with any sentiment in it, gone. Absolutely gone. It makes a lot of sense. But I did not, yeah. Bubba's tears don't get me. No, they, I mean, I'm with you there. I get it. As a matter of fact, I was sitting next to Charlie Reimer when Tiger Woods had his Mayaculfa, and Charlie started tearing up.

You remember in 2010 when Tiger came back and he did his thing in front of everybody in politics? So I was on the set, you know, and Charlie was at that time, he did Golf Central. And he started tearing up. And, you know, people were poking fun at Charlie. but I knew why Charlie was tearing up because he had some family members who had dealt with addiction and it crushed his family and so what Tiger was going through came full circle Charlie and he almost couldn't even get through the show you know and so you know in the weeks after that I'd be somewhere I'd be in a room people start picking on Charlie and it's like listen I nobody like to pick on Charlie more than I do but

you know, it's like I'll defend him crying because that was real, you know, that was a real moment. That was, it was painful. You know, who among us could stand up there publicly embarrassed and with our parents in front of us and the whole world watching and then admit to something so personal and so embarrassing? And it was, you know, it was, it got me a little bit, to be honest with you. It got me. You know, and, I mean, it's happened. You know, when I'm doing this show, I remember watching the Open Championship in 2009 when Tom Watson. I was on the set when he hit a shot into the last green, and when it was in the air and it landed on the green.

I mean, I was having a talk to myself. I was like, listen, I got to come on the air and talk. I got emotional. Now, it quickly went away when he missed the put, but it happens, you know. I mean, there's, you know, sport. it gets to us when we see these real moments and Tiger's given us more of them

than pretty much anybody. Well, it's Jimmy Valvano, baby. If you laugh, you think and you cry, that's a full day. That's a great day. One of his, one of the best speeches of all times. Yeah, we're a pro-crying show, no doubt about it. No, we cry.

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after returning playing at the Senior British Open this past summer? Yeah, I do. You know, I get the team concept more than I previously did. You know, I would always, I'd rage against it, but I'd always kind of roll my eyes a little bit when I hear players talk about team concepts.

But I get it, you know, and I didn't have a whole, of time to get ready for that. But two or three months that I was getting ready for it, I was, you know, I was working out, I was stretching, but I was definitely, you know, hitting golf balls and going online and looking at YouTube videos and working on myself. But, you know, my teacher came in and he had flight scope and I was, the information today is so much better than it was when I played the game for a living, which wasn't that long ago, but it was 15 years ago. But in that last 15 years, video cameras are so good. Forensic measuring devices are amazing. Training has improved so much that I get it. And because there's so much money, you can

afford to have, you know, the plan of the tour, the hardest part about playing the tour, And I've said this all the time. And it is without a doubt the hardest thing about playing the tour when I have played was from sundown to sunup. You know, what you do in those hours, you know, for one thing, you're on the road and it's lonely. And it's, you know, there's all kinds of temptation that can derail players and drinking, carousing, you know, any of those things. And now then they can afford to have around them people that can help them stay focused and make the tour nowhere near as lonely. It's a it's a team event now. And I just, you know, when I got out there, I saw all these guys that I grew up with.

You know, they still have that thousand yards stare, you know, when they're playing. Like I was out there just for fun, you know, it was just for me, it was, I'm not saying, I was out there to compete, don't get me wrong, but I have a real job. I have another job. Golf's not my livelihood. And I was out there, and, you know, I was out there sort of yucking it up, having fun. These guys still had that thousand miles there, you know, where this is life and death still. And I had kind of forgotten about, you know, how hard sport is and how mean it is and how cool it is.

and so yeah, you know, I've embraced the team concept a little bit more since I came back, for sure. I get it. And if I had – and, you know, I'm going to go back. I'm going to keep playing and practicing. And look, I've got a coach now that I believe in, and I'll use all the training devices I can get my hands on. Whereas before, again, I was a little bit cynical about those. thing. Wow, Brandl's got a swing coach. I feel like that's a pretty, that's a job that can be under the microscope a little bit. Yeah, I've spent a lot of time, you know, looking at all the teachers, you know. I get the list. I look at who they teach. I look at what they teach. I go into their students and I look at the before and after and see if they've made them better or worse. And along the way, I kept running into the other two or three or four maybe.

I thought, wow, these guys are really good. They put case studies out there. And what a great thing to do, right? I mean, all science is based on case studies. But there's a lot of people in this business and industry that claim to be using science, and yet they don't put case studies out there. And it's like, okay, sure, we'll call that science if you want, but it's not. And so these guys would put before and afters out there, and I was intrigued.

So I reached out to these guys, and I love them. you know, one of them actually is teaching this 47-year-old guy. He goes by Fat Eddie. He's on long drive tonight, actually. My teacher teaches this guy, and he's 47, and he swings 150 miles an hour. And Lucas has added Lucas Wald is this guy's name, and he's added, I think, like nine miles an hour to his clubhead speed, something like that in the last year, just through,

these techniques, which I was researching to write my book. And, you know, I was a big believer in them, but not too many other teachers believed in them. And I found this guy, and I reached out to him. I was like, why do you believe in these things? Because all the grades did it. And then he had, you know, all the science to back it up. So I was like, all right, you're my guy. So anyway, it was fun.

The best part about researching my book, was running into, you know, a handful of teachers that I, unlike before, where you were always guessing whether or not a teacher was good, right, because we used criteria that is completely subjective. But it was nice to find some objective criteria to base my opinion on. Last question. You had an ace out at your trip to Cabot recently. And they all say hi to you, by the way. Good. I'm glad. We love those people up at Cabot. We love them very much. I have to know how much your ace just crushed our guy, Aymann, Sol.

Oh, my God. It's so funny. So I'm playing with Bailey, my wife, obviously, Trey Wingo, and Amon. Okay? So ninth hole, Jesus. What course was I? I forgotten. Was it the damn cliffs or was it the Williams Failed? Yeah, it's cliffs. All right. Ninth hole cliffs, of course. And so, and all of us have caddies. So I hit the shot, and it goes in, and as I, pandemonium breaks out. And as I'm sort of panning the landscape in front of me, I see our friend, Amon, he's got his back to me. His head is down. He's shaking his head, and he's walking wistfully off to the sea. like not not not not turning around to congratulate me he couldn't have looked more just like he just found out his dog died

i mean he couldn't have looked more despondent couldn't that absolutely couldn't have and and it was it was actually it was like the thing i remember most about it was just how depressed he looked at having to turn around and say nice shot but he added a word at the end of it that rhymes with hunt That sounds exactly right. That's about what I imagined. It was fun because Bailey and I were playing he and Trey Wingo. We were square. We were all square on that hole.

I was given aiming to shot a hole in Trey 8 or 12 shot. And so that went in. We won one up. Oh, wow. And we didn't let them forget about it on the back nine. And it was funny thing about it. Those two, three holes in four, we were all talking about a hole in one. When was the last time we had one?

And have you had one? Blah, blah, blah. Damn it if I didn't make one. So it was a hoot. That's amazing. And I think I drank, well, we all drank a bottle of whiskey in our room, a bottle of scotch. We just sat around the whole afternoon just cheersing, cheersing, cheersing, cheersing. And the next thing you know, I was like, we're out of scotch.

I was like, I'm going to pay for that. I paid for that hole in one the entire next day. I can tell you that. That's how it should be. That's awesome. We are all still waiting for our first. So we're thinking the more hole in one stories we can get on the show, maybe they'll just creep into our veins if we can start.

Well, you're not alone because Aiman hadn't made one, Trey hadn't made one, and Bailey hadn't made one. Wow. It's like you guys, I'm sure you know this. Maybe you don't. that Ben Hogan never made a hole in one. So you are in good company. I did not know that.

That's amazing. Never. Right? The best ball striker in history never made a one. So there you go. Oh, that makes me feel way better at it. You can always say, I hadn't made a hole in one, but then neither have been Hogan.

Well, our guy, Brandl Schamblay, you can obviously catch him on Golf Channel. He'll be all over the Ryder Cup, as you mentioned, basically out there 24 hours a day, delivering the analysis, the hot takes, all of that. When's the next book coming out, Brandon? March next year, April next year. It's funny. Publishers are funny. You never know when they're going to put books out.

You know, they were going to put it out this past year, but my publisher was putting Tiger Woods book out. You know the book that came out on Tiger. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We read that. We had Armin Cattain on the show. It's called Tiger Wood.

That's the book called Tiger Wood. That's right. So they didn't want to put my book out at that time. So it'll come out next year, April, March, April, sometime like that. Maybe around the master or something like that. It'll be the same anatomy of greatness, but it'll be the commonalities of the greatest short games and putters of all time. I love it.

We'll have to have you on closer to the launch, the release, and we can talk about that. You got it. My pleasure, fellas, Trent, Riggs, Frankie. Yep. One more LaGolf National. You can hit it, Frankie. Good luck over there at Le Golf National.

Oh, we, we. It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure speaking with you for the first time, Brandel. I appreciate the way you're able to mix it up with people, even though we like to come at you a little bit. I mean, even the way he just talks about golf and the swings, and, like, I'm sure in this new book that's coming out, it's like, I feel like I don't even play this board to go.

Like, I was just out there. Me and Riggs were out there playing at the black. Like, what were we even doing? I was hitting the ball sideways. Like, we're talking about impact spots with Bryson, where he, like, he goes backwards. What are you talking about? I'm just trying to advance the ball.

I'm trying to move the ball forward. It is fun speaking with you to just see how just insane this sport is. Yeah, I don't know if any other sport geeks out about technique the way, you know, I think maybe baseball a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure. But, yeah, golfers are out of our mind. We're completely out of our mind. We are.

We'll say hi to Bailey for us as well. We appreciate her cameo on the show, and we'll have you back on soon, my friend. You got it. You guys, take care. It's always great talking to you all. It really is. You too, Brandel. Thanks, pal.

Thanks, Brandel. See you.