Fore Play - Tiger at Torrey Reactions

Episode Date: January 30, 2018

The guys breakdown their reactions from Tiger's return at Torrey Pines, including his game, his non-collared shirts, and a fan screaming in his backstroke. JB Holmes' incredibly slow play and the 6 hole playoff won by Jason Day are also discussed. In a special live radio appearance, the viral caddie who had a putter head cover thrown in his face before being fired on the spot tells his side of the story!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Tide 23rd. All kinds of action. All kinds of things to talk about in his golf swing. We got drama with slow play. We've got a playoff, a six-hole playoff that carried over into Monday. We had Roy McElroy over in Dubai in the Middle East, finishing second, all kinds of golf drama, Trent Daddy.

This is a little bit about OG podcast. for us. Yes, it is. It's just the boys in the studio. Literally, the entire fucking office is gone. It's crazy. Everybody's gone. Dave's gone. Frank Ebrilley, the pizza maker's gone. It was like this when we first launched the podcast. We did it this week. Is that correct? Yeah. This is the one year anniversary of the podcast. We launched it last year when we were basically the only two people in the office as well. We were scared to launch it last year because of everything going on. They had the Comedy Central show going on. And we're just like, fuck it. We're just going to launch a podcast and hope it goes well and I remember Eric being like that wouldn't have been good but it's a good podcast and

everything seems like it's going well so it's a good idea and we had a really cool video office call video oh yeah I forgot about that of us doing like a laser range finder zoom in on Ria our co-worker yep which is kind of creepy looking back on it but it was a very funny video if you do look back on it it's we're aiming and then you I'm the caddy we're standing on tables that are about to break I'm in an all white painter's suit and then I hand you a club and you hit it Towards her. Into her crotch. Is that right?

Yes. Holy shit. And we also had the hype video with like a cut up of us doing a bunch of stuff that set to hip hop music. And it was waste management week, which it obviously is again, which is kind of the big stooly. You know, all our people are out there except for us. So it was a no-brainer. It was an no-brainer. It was a no-brainer.

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That's four-hems.com slash foreplay. Go better yourself. So we are going to begin with Tiger Woods, our guy. I want to just get this out of the way first because I don't want to say the same shit of what else is saying over and over again. Tiger's healthy. He is healthy. He's a healthy guy.

He's taking lashes. He's recoiling on drives. He's healthy. The lashes are there real, real lashes? He's not fucking around. Nope. He is not hesitant. He's not holding back.

He's swinging. He's healthy. He's hitting balls after the round and all that. Now, how he decides to monitor that going forward. if he tamper things down a little bit compared to what he did 10 years or so ago, fine. But in terms of health, he's fine. He's totally cool.

We're over that hurdle. Something else could flare up, who knows. But at this point, he's healthy as far. Yeah, which is a big deal because he can practice more now, too. Like, that's a big part of it. And I follow, I'm sure everybody does the Tiger Tracker, which is a golf channel production. And I follow that closely. We can see the shots on TV because they show every single Tiger shot when he's playing now.

but what you don't get is the between the ropes how he looks when he's walking how he if he's laboring at all if he's ginger no signs of that whatsoever in terms of that Twitter account so yeah like everybody else is saying he's healthy he's fine we just now have to work on other aspects of his game I thought he played terrible

his swing based off of what I expected from Bahamas I could have been more disappointed Teter Green we'll get to the more aspect or the better aspects of his game this past week which is of course his short game is putting. His swing, I couldn't have been more disappointed, just in terms of what I expected.

I knew the fairways at Albany are like 120 yards wide. They're impossible to miss. There's no rough. I knew that. However, his action just looked phenomenal, even his ironplay. He was ripping two irons from the middle of some of those fairways into par fives from like 270, 280, 290 out, and roasted him into the middle of the greens or within a couple yards where he was trying to hit him.

This was, he was all over the fucking math. I mean, he's missing left. He's missing right. When he stood up there on the first T on Thursday, and he had that hole where he had three doubles in 08 when he won the S open there. And then he yank hooked one left. And then did it again, his first T shot on the North Course on Friday. I was just like, oh, God.

Well, let me, so then the silver lining to that is he made the cut. He shot under par a bunch of times. It's like he played as terrible as you can off the T for the most part. And you think, let's see, he had 30% of the fairways, which is the lowest, I think is his career low at a PJ tournament playing 72 goals. So he still played fine. Like he didn't, he didn't, the wheels didn't completely come off.

Not at all. There's plenty of positives. You know, it's one of those things in terms of his scoreability, his ability to just be better at golf than other people really, really, really shown through this past week. In the same way that, you know, if you're talking hockey, talk about a guy's hockey sense or a quarterback. They're a great game manager.

Bottom lines, they just kind of know how to win football games. Tiger's just ability to just play golf better than other people showed through this week big time in the sense that he was all over the fucking map. Every time they showed him, he's in these trees, he's moving people. This time he hooks it over. Is he in that hazard? It's really close. He's got to take a huge lash out of the room. Once he shoot, oh, he's like 300 for the tournament.

He's only like six shots back. That is appalling that he's able to do that. You heard the word grind a lot this week. Grind golf loves that. It's grinned. I use grind a ton. So he was great in all of that, which. again, we'll get to in more detail, but just in terms of his swing, and this isn't in any way a doomsday thing.

If anything, the first topic that we talked about, the health means that as long as he can go out there and find it and spend the time that he's to spend, he's the greatest of all time for a reason. And that is because he'll figure it out. He's figured it out with three or four golf swings before. He'll figure it out with another one and get to a point where he could compete, where he can win tournaments. I have no doubt about that. It's just that I was honestly shocked at how bad he was off the tea based upon what I had seen in the Bahamas. I was shocked. It was terrible.

It was terrible. It was so terrible. We were also talking about a guy who hasn't played four rounds professionally since what, like 2015. So these are what you're saying. It's not doomsday type stuff. We are things that he has to work through. And I'm just glad that we are at this point as opposed to somewhere else. And there were moments, you know, so we're going to get to Tiger's big word.

week was feels um he said feels a million times feels this feels that i didn't know what the hell you meant for a while i do think that i started to get to the point where i i kind of understood what he was saying when because he started talking about his wedge play and essentially um you know on on the 13th pole the par five where he eagled at no eight during the u.s open he uh laid up down to that little that little swale about he was like 100 yards out 99 yards out missed the green with a wedge which like whatever, I'm like kind of a scrappy six, six handicap. Like if I'm outside of 20 feet there, I'm pretty rattled and he missed the green and hit it in a bunker. But he started talking about these, you know, the feels basically being like, look, I, you know,

I'm pretty dialed in with my wedges and with this club with that club on the range at home. But in this tournament right now, like my body and everything just, it feels different out of the course. And when you're trying to hit something, you know, a seven-yard difference in your wedges, from a 92-yard shot to an 85-yard shot is going to be 20-25 feet on the green, which is a massive difference in terms of making puts and contending versus not. And so if those feels are off

and then you kind of exaggerate and spread that all the way through his game, I think I started to understand what the hell he was talking about when he kept saying feels, but this was the week of the feels. The feels takeaway that I had was, and he said it in the interview with Doddy Pepper

after yesterday's round where he said, it's one thing to play at home, But it's another thing to come out here and compete against these guys. So feels to me is just the feeling of getting back and playing in a professional tournament again and the difference. Because, like, you can go out there, you can play at home all the time. Everything's pretty relaxed. There's galleries now. He's hitting him into the galleries, which we saw a lot of.

I think that some of the feels is the way he felt when he could actually play all these tournaments. And now he's finally getting that feeling back. I don't know. That's part of my feels take. Yeah. And he, you know, he then brought us in with the fusion. He talked about the fusion. Which before we started this podcast today, Riggs thinks that Tiger is a small stoolie because of the way he says fusion all the time.

No, I think there's a small, small chance that he might be a stoolie because of the way that he said that he's fused now on Friday after his round, which we can plug into this. He gave a little smirk that was like a little wink, a little Easter egg in a movie or a film to your buddies right before he said it where they were like, you know, talk about your body or whatever. and he says, well, it's different. I wasn't fused. And he legit before he says it gives like a little look like, these guys are going to eat this up that I'm dropping the fusion shit. So when he said that, I was like, come on, dude. Come on.

But we know he is historically, he gets attached to fields and denominations. And fusion is huge because it apparently worked. So I mean, why not keep using it? Yeah. So the fusion, you know, he's healthy. He's taking lashes. That's all good. His short game, let's get into a short game was overall very, very good.

he hit some just, I don't know how else you can call it, Tiger-esque, Phil-esque, where he was kind of in just, he was dead, he was short-sided, he had no green to work with, brutal, brutal, kind of ryegrass rough that they're working with. Out at Tori, and he's taking these massive lashes and plop on the ball to the green, rolled it down to a couple feet or even inside of 10 feet and leaving himself below the hole, making a bunch of putts. So his short game, from what we saw in the Bahamas, it was really weird, where Teter Green, full swing, we were thinking,

holy shit, he's looking good. He's just got to figure out the chipping and the pitching and all of that, and he'll be fine. And then now it was like his swing looks terrible. It was like bizarre. It was flipped. It was totally flipped. The one thing that I do want to say about that is I'm not as convinced or as sold as

as everybody else because I think he's there and he's going to have weeks where he's completely fine. He's going to have shots where he looks unbelievably good. but he still missed a three or four or five very straightforward pitches where he like missed the green. I mean, if you look at even when he was trying to grind and make the cut on his 17th hole on Friday, where he kind of wiped his T shot, came up like 20 yards short, and then basically scald one over the green from a perfect lie. There are still some of those which if you go back to December or I think maybe it was around Thanksgiving time actually.

when we had Brandel on, he basically said, you know, the chipping yips aren't there 24-7 every shot you hit, but they creep in here and there, and I still thought we saw some of those. Definitely the one where he hit it over the green. That was where it was like, we're trying to make the cut here and, you know, pressures on, and then he put it right over there. He still ended up making the cut, obviously, but there were a couple of those moments where it's like, if he can't, if the driver's not working, if the chipping's not working, we're in some real trouble. The putting up was working.

He putted lights out. It's the exception of day one. I don't think he may putt outside of four and a half feet or so on Thursday. And then the rest of the week, man, he was lights out. Those greens, those plan on greens too are the toughest greens, the most frustrating greens they put on all year. Guys hate putting on those greens, especially later in the day. And he was, I mean, his pace was phenomenal. I believe they said on Golf Central last night he did in three putt once all week.

I also believe our guy Brando on Golf Central said that Tiger's proximity to the hole on lag putting was number one. field, which wouldn't surprise me. I mean, his lag putting, that putty had on Friday, he had like a 70, 80 footer for eagle that he had to get down and two to make the cut. He lagged it up there to tap in range. Beautiful. That type of stuff is nice to see. I mean, he, having been one of the greatest putters to ever walk planet Earth, he's

always going to be able to save strokes and keep himself in it with the putter. But that really was the thing that, I mean, if he putted mediocre this week, he wouldn't even been close to making it. No. God, no. Like way off. So that was good to see. You have anything else on that? I mean, no, not really.

I just, you hate to judge body language too much, but he looked like happy. When he, I don't know if you saw yesterday when he's walking around with Andre Adela. He's laughing. He's smiling. That might, that probably doesn't mean as much as clear, like the swing, getting the driver fixed. But I like to see that he is enjoying himself out there because his attitude is a big part of how he plays. I do too.

I guess my question when these reports. reporters say that it was like last year was he not happy walking around was he did he look like a sad depressed fucking loser or what i don't remember all i don't like i just don't remember people last year being like man he looks really unhappy i just don't remember i don't think i remember them saying he was happy either though i feel like they're always like he looks good he looks healthier he keeps saying he's healthy i just i don't like they would never say he's just neutral walking around like i feel like there was either one way or the other and it was like yeah he looks pretty good like whatever i don't get you're glad that he's happy i just think that like that like i just think that

Like, if he wasn't, would we know? I think we would. He's a pretty, like, demonstrative guy. I feel like he lies all the time. Well, he does lie, but he's body-like... A year ago, he said he was healthy. He wasn't. Well, but we're talking about things he said,

but you can see him out there. When he's mad and upset or frustrated, you can tell. Yeah. But, I mean, yeah. Yes, I agree that he wasn't... He didn't look like he was super mad or frustrated. He had some bursts, which is fine. There's nothing like that.

Oh, when someone yelled in his putter when he was... putting. Yeah, which we're going to get to, but I just, uh, I like all that. Don't be wrong. I'm just saying that like, I don't buy that shit up as much everybody else because like I don't feel like people have been walking around being like he looks really sad and depressed and not happy ever. So if they're being like, wow, he looks so happy, it's like

Like I said, I don't buy, it's not as important as his swing and his chipping and his putting, but I do like to see it. I don't know, I like to see it. I just, I'm wondering what we're comparing it to. Very curious what we're comparing it to. That's a good question. I don't have comparison. That's my question. There were a couple moments. First thing I want to talk about are our thoughts on his shirts that he was wearing, his non-collared shirts.

I hate them. I don't like him. I don't like them. I don't know why I hate them. Well, I think it's because I know I wouldn't look very good in them. Whenever I used to look at Tiger, I would say that's how I want to, when I wear golf clothes, that's how I wish I looked. And now when I see the colored shirts, I'm like, that's fucking lame. Yeah, they're not great. The collars are good. They're always good. But it's, I don't understand the no-collar thing. I will say that, so the first three days, I didn't think it looked good. The red did he was wearing yesterday.

It was incredible. Oh, yeah. It was incredible. It was shiny. I couldn't believe he didn't win the tournament when he showed up in that shirt. I was like, oh, my God. I like when he does the thing where he wears the vest first and you see the arms. You're like, there it is.

It's going to, he'll take this vest off here pretty soon. And then he does, and you're like, all right, we're playing golf again. That thing was just, it was beaming all around the course, how red it was. It was crazy. I thought, other than the no-collar thing, I thought he looked phenomenal all week. Then the other thing we had was the, yeah, the guy yelling a little prematurely in Tiger's backstroke.

A blade of grass outside the right edge, he can keep the pace on this as going up the hill. Identifying who that culprit was here momentarily. Yeah, I wrote a blog on that yesterday when it happened, saying that I want the guy dead. I would torture him if I could, like Mr. Blancel. in Reservoir Dogs. I said a lot of horrible things in my blog.

And then this morning, some video surfaced of a guy holding his camera up to the guy who yelled and yelling at him and the man who yelled in Tiger's putt. Get the fuck out of here, man. You didn't know Tiger Woods was putting? Why'd you yell get in the hole? Why'd you yell get in the hole? I would leave the premises. This is the guy.

You just got to make sure. I'm sorry. I must to be hit. You know, I really think he missed the putt because of you. He missed it completely. as you. Make sure now. Make sure to do it right.

Get out of here, man. You might as well get out of here. Looked very apologetic. I would even use the word terrified of the fans in the crowd. So I have flipped my stance. And like here's the thing. In my head when I heard that guy yell, I pictured a drunk, like, frat fucking dude getting pulled out.

When he's getting escorted, he's like yelling F bombs and stuff. That was not the reality because the video I saw this morning was of a scared guy who was like, I just timed my yell wrong. Just poor timing. It was really bad. And then it flipped the guy doing the video was the asshole. Because he was like, fuck you, fuck you. When the other guy was like, I just, I'm sorry.

I timed my yell wrong. Yeah, we were talking with Francis about it a little bit. And he was like, think about how funny it is that golf is like this super distinguished game where you're not supposed to be yelling. You're not supposed to be doing that. And then there are people that are literally out to murder a guy that was like overly cheery at a sporting event, at the sporting event. Yeah.

They're like, we're going to fucking murder this guy. They're like, wait, you're like, supposed to be the distinguished, pro-distinguished people that are like, oh, no, it's like fine. You're supposed to be quiet and respectful. And, like, now they want to murder somebody. They're ready to, like, cut this dude out of how they put it on a stake. Correct. They, like, carried around Fallen Tiger, like, hey, we got him. Yeah, Tiger would be like, that's crazy.

I'll tell you, he did miss the pup because of that. I think that's very evident. I did. I did learn something about myself where I'll get all riled up about something, and then you show even the slightest bit of sympathy, and I'm completely on. your side. Yeah, I saw a couple of people being like, oh, why is golf bitching about it? Like, people yelling all other sports, they yell in the rider cup. Here's the difference is that it either needs to be a very consistent sort of white

noise type deal, like when Bubba would tee off of the rider cup, he would be like, come on, I can't hear you, and I already be loud. That's fine. It's when you have silence interrupted by something that fucks with your focus. We've had countless pros on this podcast say like that's the biggest difference. Correct. Like, it's like a gunshot going off in the middle of your swing. You're like, shit. Correct. So So that's the big thing. Obviously, it clearly, clearly affected his putt.

Oh, yeah. He was mad. That was, like, the first time I've ever seen that, I feel like. It does. Oh, to Tiger, like, in the middle of the swing? To a golfer. Do you remember seeing a golfer who, like, blatantly, because of somebody yelled out, like, cost them a stroke, like, directly cost them a stroke.

No. Nope. It usually happens on, like, a drive where it could have gone either way. On a put, that was not that long. But don't I feel like on a drive, it happens after? I don't know. I can't remember a time when. someone yelled in someone's back swing

on a profession, like on tour, on TV. I feel like that happens, yeah. Really? Yeah. I don't feel like I've really seen it. Or like when, even when like a camera will go off or something like that? Camera go off, way different. Okay.

A scream in someone's backstroke, backstroke, backstruck? I think I feel like I have seen that. I feel like one of Bubba's mini outbursts have come from a fan yelling in his back swing. That's something that you could hear on TV that was like a crazy scream like that? Yes. Really? I just don't feel like I've seen that. I actually remember thinking like, wow,

I can't believe that doesn't happen more often. You get so many clowns out there and it's just dead silent every time somebody hits. That's nuts. It is nuts, especially when there's some alcohol consumption. Yeah, people are boozing, people are, they can't wait to scream. And it's just never, never happens. Like, thousands and there's thousands of shots every tournament and that never happens. You do think where there's such a small margin of error where it's, if you even do it half a millisecond, it's going to fuck that dude up.

Big time. Correct. I know I've seen it happen. maybe not like maybe it just doesn't happen to tiger so i don't remember it as often yeah uh so tiger's back at riviera in about three weeks at the genesis open that course is awesome people are going to be uh that's going to be fun to watch it's going to be a much different venue speaking of venue let's get into the uh farmers insurance a little bit we're going to get into the course tory pines but first we have a quick note uh from our friends at bet ds i playoffs are finally here you can get in touch

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Who was it, Finau or somebody, fired like seven under. and you were thinking, you know, I believe when I wrote my preview, I'm trying to think back to the numbers, but I think only a couple times since 2012 or 2013 has anybody even reached or won at double digits under par. That's how tough Tori can typically play. And you're starting to think, even on Friday, I think a couple of guys got to 11 or 12 under.

Yeah, Finaw shot a 65 on Thursday. Palmer shot at 66. So, yeah, there were a couple guys going low early. They were low early, and you started to be like, oh, man, this is going to be what we want it to be. weather was perfect all week. The wind picked up a little bit yesterday on Sunday. Weather was perfect all week, and still these guys got into a playoff at 10 under par,

which you love to see. Love the course holding up. Shout out to the Golf Channel, cameraman, being back. We got so many parasailing shots. Oh, man, shots. There was one. We are going to see a guy die when they do the parasailing stuff. I saw a guy go right off a cliff, and I was just ready for him to just completely dip into the water.

He's just not flying. Yeah. And they're just like, and then they just come back like. Oh, sorry about that. They probably wouldn't even mention it. Yeah, there was, I saw somebody who was tweeting that, you know, so we had the classic coverage gap shenanigans. What? Over the course of the weekend where golf channel leads up to like 230 and then CBS doesn't start until 3.

But actually like 3.30 because there's always a stupid fucking college basketball game that takes the last 30 seconds of those games take 40 minutes. How? And Tiger's not on the TV. How is the 30-minute gap still a thing? And then yesterday it was only a 15-minute gap. But the fact that there's any gaps whatsoever, what is stopping the Golf Channel, is there some sort of regulation where it's like we have to like take a break in the coverage?

The fact that the Golf Channel just doesn't go further. Just go 30 minutes. Just keep your cameras on. Keep them on. Golf Channel is going to go into the studio. They're going to talk to our guy, Brandl. Shout out to him. But, and I want him to get as much camera time as possible.

But if Tiger's playing, I want to see him playing. The fact that they don't just blow by these barriers and do an extra 30 minutes until the CBS coverage starts. I know tons of people talk about this all the time but it's the fact that it still happens and I still don't have an answer. It was infuriating. It was very much infuriating. It's one thing if Tiger's not playing and I'm not saying tournaments where he's not playing,

they shouldn't do it. But the fact that this has been one of the more hyped events of the year and they're just like, nah, we're going to take a little bit of a break. I haven't been able to really watch them play in two years and then we couldn't watch watch them play for like a half hour, 45 minutes. Crazy. So that's frustrating. But on the positives of the coverage, man, they've got the pro tracer everywhere now.

Oh yeah. It's on approach shots from the fairway. It is so game-changing. It's almost, we need to get to a point where you cannot watch golf without it. It's almost when they show a shot without it, it's like you're a blind person. I'm a blind person watching golf. I don't know what happened. When Fox Sports first had the U.S. Open, that was their, that was basically their model.

They're like, we're going to throw as much technology at this as possible and do it as much as we can. They did it a little overkill in some other areas, but doing it, like, on approach shots is a no-brainer. Doing it on every single shot is a no-brainer. Yeah, the Fox coverage at Chambers Bay. It was like, well, this sucks because it's a baseball game, except the Pro Tracer is great. Right. That was like their savior. And it's now, I mean, it is so must watch.

It's especially on the approach shots because, you know, a lot of these guys have a pretty go-to t-shot. Yeah. Pretty go-to ball flight off the T. Tiger was playing mostly a slice all week off the T. But you really see in the fairways, you know, if they've got a left pin, you'll see them kind of draw it in there, start at the middle of green, fade it to right pins. It's like, you need to see that. And now the pro tracer, it is awesome. And it's almost, like I said now, when they show the occasional shot without it, it is literally like I'm a blind person watching golf.

They just take, they just like swing. And I'm like, that just looks like everything else. Where the fuck is the golf? It is incredible that throughout our entire childhood, we were just watching golfers just like tee off and just like. They might as well have been on the driving garage. We were just watching them swing 70 times. And it was like, all right. That's great.

When you would watch it when you were a kid, they would hit the drive. and then the guy would find the ball in the air, but you just have no idea where it's going to land. No clue. Like you're just like, that's either going to land right in the middle of the fairway or it's going to hit a gallery member right in the dome. Totally.

It's crazy. The one thing, too, that always has driven me crazy about the coverage, especially with Tiger, because he shows a lot in his face, is they show Tiger's swing, and then they zoom in on his face for a second. And before they show the ball, you actually know already what happens because of his face.

Like if he's aiming at a green, if he's trying to hit the green, you know before they even show the ball that he missed the grade. So you don't like that? You think it takes away some of the like? Yeah, it takes away the excitement. Like I want to see the ball land. It'll be like, oh, no, when they just show his face, I'm already like, I'm already out of the shot.

Maybe that's the beauty of Hadeki Matsuyama when he just like, oh, well, this sucks. And then he completely surprises you. Totally. My brain has been trained now that when Hadeki, like, drops his arms and his whole body English is like through the floor. He's so depressed. I still watch and I'm like, this could be really tight. I'd never thought about that, that them showing the reaction of the golfer gives away the shot. Totally gives their way.

It's a spoiler. Ruins a shot for me. That's a great point. I always thought like, oh, I'd like to see how he reacted. Especially because. Maybe you split-screened. Yeah, yeah. Or you don't.

I just, especially on a drive, I guess, because on a drive, it's either in the fairway or it's not. Right? And so if he's going to show right away, if he's kind of show disgust or something like that, I just know it's not in the fairway. I just know it's not in the fair way. Or when he picks up the T really quickly. When they... Correct. I just know.

When he teased off, you just want them to immediately cut to the ball? I don't know. I don't know the best way to do it. Yeah, I think so. Or you got to give me a pro tracer and just keep it behind. Okay, yeah. You know what I mean? Because some of the more baller moments is when he hits a drive and picks the tee up and doesn't even...

So I have no issue with that. It's when he hits a bad one and I know it's bad. And before I've seen the golf ball. That's what sucks. The flip side of that is it's going to be ugly. So you're like, all right, now let's see where this fucking thing goes. Yeah. That's a little golf watching nuance that I had never thought about.

Let's get into, so Jason Day won on the sixth playoff hole. Kind of weird, you know, they played five last night, five playoff holes, and then they had to come back this morning. They go through their whole warm-up routine, and then they just played a hole for like six minutes. Yeah, that was strange. You know, this was really, this was very frustrating last night. I don't know.

I haven't really thought about it that much. I wonder if you have. Is there a better way to do these playoffs? Yeah, I just, I don't think they should just keep playing the same hole. It's crazy. It's, because it's so different from anything in golf, right? In golf, you never just play the same hole over and over. Like, never.

So I don't, like, that's the whole beauty. That's what people talk about in genius course architecture, that every hole, you know, hole to hole is so much different. You get a lot of variety. And then their answer is you just play the 18th, like three times in a row and then maybe mix in like a part three and then go back to the 18th. So when I was thinking about this a little bit, And the NHL when they have the shootout, people are like, this is strange sometimes because it's what you're saying.

It's not the game that they keep playing. Right. So golf, in that respect, is doing, it's closer to what they actually do. Like, a shootout in golf, you do like a putting contest or something. Like, that'd be stupid too. But, like, so I don't know. So, yeah, like, but that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't want to hate the idea of, like, we know what they should do.

I like, maybe just play par threes or go back to the part threes and do that. Yeah, or it should just be every, in my opinion, it should be. Every playoff should be the last three holes, and it should be just aggregate score. Oh, so you don't do sudden death? No. It should be because that's golf. You should have time to recover. And it should be a variety, right?

The last three holes of pretty much any course, there's going to be a variety in holes. Most often it's going to be a part three, a part four, and a part five. Or at the worst, you're going to have kind of two, you know, you might have two part fours and a part three or something. But whatever point is that you're going to get it, you know, it's basically them going back, like they're tied late in the golf time. tournament and they're going to see who wins over the final three holes. I think that it would be, you know, you'd have less chance that they'd be tied at the end of those three holes than you would after any one hole. True. And I just think it kind of solves a lot of that.

I just, I can't stand to, like, run the same hole order. It's crazy. What LPGA event was that last year where they played the 18th hole, which was a complete dog shit par five with like some, some weird, weirdly angled fairway where nobody could hit the ball in the fairway off the tee? Yeah. And then they were taking these rips from like 220 out and they just played it over and over and over and over and over. over again. And it drove you crazy. I kind of like this idea comes from like if at the player's championship at TPC

Saargrass where I wish they would just do the playoff hole. They would just keep playing 17 over and over again. That's not again, we're trending towards the shootout territory where it's like that's not golf at all. But that would be so fucking exciting. Yeah. And it, you know, they kind of have it set right now where it's different per

venue and all that, which is fine. I mean, it makes sense. But I can't believe you, your eyes perked up when I said putting contest. I thought you'd be very against that. No, I am. It just would be electric. If you did it like horse style I'm going to pick here and out You pick this thing You know what?

The European tour will fucking do that I bet Because they're experimental And I was going to talk about When we bring out J.B. Holmes But they did the shot clock thing Yeah Shot clock thing's great

They do like a night golf thing Yeah Euro tour is innovative I like that PJ tour just they don't want to move We're not saying they have to do putting contest But it would be fucking awesome

Pudding contest horse style Let's get into the 70 second hole J.B. Holmes With maybe the most dog shit display of gamesmanship down the stretch that I've seen. And I know, you know, some people are arguing like, well, this is just kind of pertinent to like his situation.

It's not related to anybody else. It's totally related to somebody else. He totally screwed Alex Noren, who was his playing partner. If you weren't watching or you missed this, essentially what happened was it's J.B. Holmes, Alex Noren, and was it Palmer was in that group as well? I think it was. and their Holmes is down two strokes. Jason Day is already in a clubhouse.

I believe Palmer hit first laid up. J.B. Holmes then is basically standing there. Stands there after his playing party had hit a shot. It took him four minutes and ten seconds did his shot. Just to give you a little bit of a reference point, I believe the shot clock on the European tour is 40 seconds. It is. 40 seconds.

He took fucking four minutes and 10 seconds. And it wasn't, and then he laid up. And he hooked it into the rough. It was a bad shot. Oh, my God. That was insane. Is there any scenario where Noren is just like, I'm just going to fucking hit? So that's what I said is that I thought after maybe a minute and a half, he might just say, hey, man, like, if you're going to be a minute, I'm ready to go, do you mind if I just hit?

Yeah. I honestly don't think that would have been like a crazy move. No, I think that's fine. Is that allowed? I believe, yeah, I think that's, I believe that's allowed. You can just say defer. Because there are times when a player have like a ruling or something. Yeah.

That's furthest away. He'll say, hey, dude, go ahead real quick. especially in that situation because, you know, the full swing thing is more of a rhythm type situation. So get that full swing, Alex Noren, get that full swing out of the way. And then hit it up near the green. And then, you know, if you got to wait another 10 or 15 minutes for J.B. Holmes to fucking dick around and do whatever he's doing, that's fine. Because at least you've gotten your full swing out of the way. You've dealt with the water that, you know, you can just kind of get that away out of the way in more of a rhythmic way.

Yeah. Instead, he's got to wait there. By the time he hits, it's been, since he hit his T-shirt. shot it had to be 10, 15 minutes, which is insane. Him laying up and putting in the rough was one of the more shocking moments I've been a part of watching golf. That was so frustrating. And it was like, clearly you started to realize that the wind, I mean, he was, he had to have just been waiting for the wind to die down. Which is such a like a cheese dick move.

Shout to our guy, Smitty. Wow. Cheese dick. Okay, yeah. I've been reading so much of that with Donovan McNate. He's just all over the place. It was just, that drove me crazy. Well, and it got to the point where he got, J.B. got dragged by a bunch of

people, a bunch of fellow golfers on Twitter, you got Daniel Berger, you got a bunch of Luke Donald, you got all these guys coming out and being like, what the fuck is going on here? Like hit the ball already. It was frustrating. It was very frustrating. I was glad, really happy he didn't somehow make an eagle get into a playoff. And you mentioned on Twitter, this is the type of thing that you get, people will hate you for a long time for this.

I said, I mentioned Sergio. And I mean, there are, sure, there may be several different reasons that people didn't like Sergio for a long time. But the main one was when he had the re-grip issues. Mm-hmm. And then he was at, I believe it was at. Beth Page in like 02 with all the crazy New York fans

who were like, hit the fucking ball! Like yelling at him and stuff. And that was when it kind of was bored that like, we hate Sergio. Like this slow motherfucker like, let's go, dude, hit the ball. And it's going to be tough for J.B. It's tough to shake that.

I mean, people still kind of have an air of dislike toward Jason Day because of how slow he is. Oh yeah, he takes forever. Because it's like slow. People just do not like slow. I get it. It's different. You guys are on tour. Sure. Maybe we're talking about a five-hour round or something.

They played a six-hour round yesterday. Insanity. I was trying to find J.B. Holmes's quote because he said something like, because I asked him about it obviously after the round. He was like, I was still just trying to win. And it's like, yeah, but four minutes and ten seconds is an eternity. And then to lay up, like, could you really even trying to win? He was really doing the math on his head that the best way I can make eagle here is to lay up and spin one in rather than rip one up on the green and make a put.

Get out of town, J.B. Holmes. Get out of town, J.B. We had some other golf. We had Roy McElroy over in Dubai, finish second. I just want to say he hasn't played over in the U.S. yet since his comeback. So maybe fly it under the radar. Rory is buzzing. Busing.

He looks great. Looks really good. I don't want to get too excited, but he looks great. Killing the ball. I saw some of his average drive from this past week was like 3.30 or 340 or something. I think he's leading the European tour so far. It gets me like giddy. In driving average at near 320.

he's back, he's healthy, he took three and a half months off. He finished T third in Abu Dhabi, and then finished second just by a stroke. Lee Hautong made a like a 10, 12, 15 foot or something like that for Bertie to beat him yesterday, which is just crazy, gutsy. They had a great duel, but the bottom line out of that one is Rory is buzzing. He's coming over to the U.S. He'll be playing at a bunch of events that he might play 30 this year, which we already talked about, very exciting stuff.

There. All right. The waste management Phoenix Open is this weekend. As everybody knows, that is as perfect of an event for us as you could possibly imagine. What happened here was Trent and I laid out our discussion. We had our discussion live on the podcast about this. It took us three different takes and we had to scrap it because it got so lively and intense and questionable in here. So now Trent is going to read a prepared statement. Dear friends, family, loyal listeners, and readers. At this time, we are unsure if we'll be present at the 2018 Waste Management Phoenix Open. Due to unforeseen complications with management, our access at the event is in question.

We're not taking questions, and we have no further comment. Now, we've got to get into this caddy story. This kind of blew up last week, of course, a bunch of things. This happened like a day after we recorded the podcast. But this was a web.com. You probably saw the video of the player. It's like Rian Gibson, I think is his name, throws his putter hand cover at this caddy. This guy is named Brandon, Brandon Davis, I believe, and Rian Gibson.

Player throws his butter and cover at the caddy, which is so degrading, but hilarious, fires him on the spot. There's a big backstory in terms of he was in the hunt for the tournament. He's like a stroke back, trying to make birdie on the last hole, part five, hooks one into the hazard. They can't find it for a minute. It's under some rocks. Caddy finds it. picks out the ball because he thought the player that basically had signaled to him that, yeah, we're not going to play that ball.

Rules official says, nope, he didn't. And based upon the rules, that's a one-stroke penalty because he didn't tell him that you should definitely pick up the ball, ends up costing him $12,000, which for these guys is like everything in the world. I mean, they're out there grinding. They're living. A lot of these guys are living week to week, living out of their cars, all that shenanigans, uh, throws his putter head cover at him, fires him on the spot.

This guy, um, I'm watching the video right now. The fact that the caddy didn't just tackle him and beat the shit out of him, like at a certain point you got to be like, all right, I'm just not going to let that happen to me. So then the caddy puts out of like an eight-minute YouTube video shirtless, just weird shirtless video. Turns out he's a playtron. He listens to the podcast. So shout out.

He tags me in the tweets. He sends me some DMs. Seems like a really nice guy, so I don't want to get anything wrong. Seems like a really nice guy. We're looking at him right now, shirtless. He's got the glasses. The camera's like right in his face. He's trying to do a reenactment with like buckets in his room of like where the golf ball was.

It's like when you turn your camera on and it's already flipped around, but he decided to make an entire video like that. Yeah, and it like startles you. You're like, whoa, that's what I look like. He's like, this is going to be me. I'm going to put this out. It's currently, I mean, it's only got a couple thousand views. But yeah, he doesn't look that great. Whole thing was weird.

Whole thing was wild. Anyways, we decided again, he's a playtron. He seems like a really nice guy. He's a big time talker. So, you know, we've got to try to rein people in. Now, we had him on the. the morning show, Mike and the Murdog, featuring Riggs the host.

That's me. I'm the first alternate, I think. Cousin Riggs the host. Cousin Riggs. Trent's first alternate, something correspondent. It's up to my corner. Maybe cousin Mike is, you know, he's kind of all over the map with that.

He's got Liz. He's got Trent. Bottom line is we had the caddy on on Friday. So rather than have them back on and go through the whole thing again, we are going to plug in some of the audio from that. So another story that kind of blew up yesterday, and we have a central figure of this story on the line. We're going to patch him through in a moment.

I'm not sure if the cousins saw this, but there was a situation on the web.com tour a few days ago where a player, I think his name's Rine Gibson, I think is his name. He's coming down the stretch. He was in the mix in the tournament. Hooks won into kind of a pond with some tall grass. They can't find the ball. Eventually the caddy, Brandon Davis,

who I believe we have on the line, and we're going to patch through in a moment. He says, he finally, the ball. It was it was essentially dead. He declared it dead. He was under the impression that his player made the same, made the same ruling, kind of communicated that to him one way or another. Therefore, the caddy picks up the ball. The player ends up incurring a one-stroke penalty for this move, and it costs about $12,000. Brannon, are you there, my friend?

I am here. How are you, cousin? Good to hear you, man. We're doing well. How are you? So, so. So I got to start with, for anybody that didn't see it, Renan had this video, his kind of response to the whole thing, went kind of viral. Why were you not wearing a shirt? Well, honestly, it was the last day of the tournament, and I had no clean clothes, man.

I didn't have enough to fill laundry down there in the Bahamas. I was in the Numa first, and then I went to Avico, and we finished third, and we should have finished tied for second, but we ended up finishing third, because they made the wrong ruling decision. And so the reason I wasn't wearing a shirt is because it was the last day I was down there, and I really had no clean clothes, man. What can I tell you?

Yeah, I just... You're sure that your player didn't steal, didn't rip the shirt off of you? No. He threw a putter cover at me as hard as he could 90 miles an hour that went viral, but no, he never touched my shirt, I can tell you that. Can I respond to this? I want to just for a second. You're here to respond to it.

That's why we have a show. Yeah, I'm going to respond. My wife was a coach of her high school golf team, okay? Relative to the golfer, I don't even remember what his name was. If my wife, one of her players, ever acted the way he acted, and let's go into the assumption that he was by far the best player on the team. Okay, I'm talking about a high school team. This guy probably was.

That guy wouldn't have played. He wouldn't have played for a long time, even if the people that were playing were out, 10,000% worse. The best player would have sat. And the caddy walking around with no shirt on, he probably would have been suspended for the season.

All right? If she ever caught somebody taking a picture with no shirt on, man, that would have been it. Okay, that would have been it. Well, by the way, by the way, let me say this. Let me say this. You know, there's 100.

I posted that YouTube video a couple days ago, you know, in the heat of the moment. And yes, they didn't have a shirt on it. I didn't have any clean posts, which only had 100,000 views on YouTube now. It went viral. The entire golf world knows all about it. And you can't liken, you know, a high school golf team to, you know, guys playing for their lives out there and basically AAA trying to get this big tour. Can I ask you a question?

Yeah. Is that your standard for whether or not you did the right thing? That is that there were 100,000 views. Is that the standard? I don't think so. What standard for what? Did I did the right thing? I did the right thing in what.

If I took off my clothes and there's been a lot of talk about me having no pants off, how many views do you think I'd get? A lot. I wasn't on the golf course without a shirt on. I was in my hotel. I was in my Airbnb there in Apple. But people know who you are. You've got to stay dressed.

You've got to keep your clothes on. That's not the point, because of Michael. We're talking about you should have thrown the thing right back at his face, what you should have. Well, that's what everybody said. You know, but that's what everybody said. But, you know, it's people getting on re-in for acting that way. And listen, I don't have a problem.

Listen, I don't mind being a punching bag out there. Sometimes you've got to be as a caddy. And I don't mind, I don't mind doing that. And especially he's going to become third in Exuma and, you know, Tyson's second and Avico. I don't mind. He plays better when he's mad. So it doesn't, it doesn't bother me that I got to be a punching bag once in a while.

And at the time, I thought I screwed up. on the moral of the story. Keep going back to that. Come on, come on. Let's talk about the issue. Connor Brandon. Couser Brandon, let me take over here for a second. So I want to talk about the ruling really quickly.

What exactly in your brain happened and where do you think they got it wrong? Where they got it wrong is we had a headhunt. Here's where we got it wrong. We had a headhunting official by the name of Jim Duncan. It's all over the internet. Everybody knows this guy. and he's the web.com official. And he ruled when I picked up the ball,

we had no intention of playing it. Rian had no intention of playing it. And the ball was dead under two rocks. It was literally, you said tall high grass. It wasn't tall high grass. It was a volcanic, like, rock layers and stuff. Nobody in the world would play it. And it was under two things.

You can see it on my YouTube video. And so the rule states, 26-1-backslash-9 states, that if there's no intent on playing it, a caddy may lift the ball. Now, this official did not know that rule. And at the moment, I didn't know that rule either. Our heads are spinning. We're about to, you know, we're about to go into a playoff if we buried the hole.

We wanted to make Eagle and win the damn golf tournament. We didn't do that because you hit it left into the volcanic rocks. So we had no intent. And he didn't know the rule. Later on, I defend myself because I found the rule after my, you know, because your head's spinning. And then you calm down and you go back to your room. And you, you know, I said, you know what?

I did nothing wrong here. I did nothing wrong. And sure enough, I called a friend of mine, and he, who knows the rules better than anybody, better than that official. I promised you that. Okay. And I found it, and I exposed it. And then, of course, you know, as the headhunting official, it is, they don't back down. They say, oh, well, this happened and this happened, and that's why I wrote what I did, and that's why I did this.

And that's all it is, is a guy just sitting there looking for trouble, and that's what happened. Have you had any? Have you talked to the, have you talked to the, uh, official at all since this all happened. Oh, you want to hear that story? That's where it gets good. Are you kidding me? I'm taking a nap, cousin, Richard.

I want to hear. What do you say he's taking a nap? Yeah, it's cousin Michael. Don't worry about him. Keep going. So have you talked to the rules official at all? Absolutely. So I find this rule.

I text Reagan Gibson, my player. And I said, dude, I did nothing wrong. Look at this rule. He immediately forwards it to Jim, to Jim Duncan, right? And then he says, here's Jim Duncan's rule. Or here's his number, calling. So I'm down in the Bahamas. I'm in my house.

This is right after I posted YouTube. Okay. And I said, and I called him. And he's, I talked to him on the phone, and he's drunker than 10 men that night. And I said, do you know what 26-1 back-flesh 9 means? And he's slur in his words back to me. It's the most preposterous should I ever see. You got to come up with a different name for the rule, pal.

What? You got to call up with a different. We got to call the rules something different. Every time you say that. The rule. I mean, it's for poster. Well, this is why people hate, you understand why people hate golf

is because of these stupid rules like this. I mean, that's the reason that people hate golf to begin with. Yeah. So, sure enough, so sure enough, I get him on the phone, he's drunk and Timmy. I said, you know what this rule is?

This 26th and he goes, he goes, yeah, of course they're not. I said, well, what does it say? I said, what does it say? I said, what does it say? I said, you don't even know it, man. I said, you don't even know the rule. And, and then he, then he hangs

up for me because no caddy has ever, you know, talked back to an official or talk back to anyone, especially somebody who thinks he's, you know, in such, you know, high and mighty and has all this power out there on the PGA tour. And, uh, uh, and so was that it at no idea what it was. I read it. I read it to him and he said, and then he said, oh, that's not what I remember and that's not what is. You know, forget it, man. And so sure enough yesterday, I'm at the airport and I'm walking to get to the point here, pal, we got to get to the point. We're going to kick you off the show. You all right. Ten seconds. I walked me to the airport and he says him suspended from the tour.

He says him suspended. Yeah, all right. That guy. That guy's, he's got a lot to say. I got one quick question. What does a golf community say? What are your friends and other players and cats are they saying? Most people are defending, I've seen a good amount of both, but a lot of people are defending

the player essentially saying, you know, a caddy can't just go pick up a ball. I mean, to a certain degree, I kind of agree that. If you're going to pick up the player's ball, you better be one trillion bazillion percent sure that he is not playing it. You can't be like, well, all of his argument that like, oh, the ball was definitely dead. There's no way you can play it. That doesn't matter at all. It's all up to the play. That was a clip from Mike and the Murdoch featuring Cousin Riggs, the host, which is me.

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They immediately called me Cousin Trent, which makes me a part of the family. So anything between me, Cousin Mike, Cousin Murray, or Cousin Riggs, it's all just family stuff. It's a very inclusive feel when someone calls you cousin right out of the gate. It's like. It disarms you in a big way. It's legitimately like you're at the dinner table immediately. No doubt about it. Oh, okay.

And then if they're mean to you at that point, which Cousin Mike usually is, it's doesn't, it's not as harsh. It's just like when you, like, rib your siblings. It's the same type of deal. So it's Barstool Radio, Power 85 on Sirius X. We have our own channel. We're on all day, but the only show that really matters is Mike and the Murdoch

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Big week this week. Waste manager might be there, might not. We'll see. Damn it, that was our last comment. Wasn't supposed to say that. Hit it hard.