Fore Play - Tiger “Golf Cart” Woods

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

New Tiger Woods footage emerges. Tom Kim wins as Cantlay stumbles. Eugenio Chacarra wins nearly $5M on LIV which leads us down a LIV rabbit hole. We want to get back into video games. The concept of infinity continues to wreak havoc on the show. Is there any “new water” on earth? And much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Could Joe Likava go through a crazy workout regimen and just carry Tiger Woods around? Like, I know that sounds bocesterisk. Can you just carry him? Like, what if he just carried him between shots? Set his ass down. Tiger hit a shot.

Joe just picked him up and carried him to the next shot. Foreplay, brought to you by Barstool Sports, presented by our very good friends at Chevrolet, great American company, creating fantastic vehicles, especially in the EV space right now. Boys, it's October. It's about mid-October. So the golf front, we're going through the dark days. And there's a lot of drama, actually, a lot of talking points in the last few tournaments, things that happened over the weekend, lived.

You had a collapse from Patrick Cantley, so we can get to that stuff. But now until pretty much, I'm going to call it like Farmer's Insurance, maybe, is when I get really excited for like, not really, but I get, I start to feel like a golf tournament, like really, truly matters and the PNC, because Tiger Woods, we got that stuff to talk about. But otherwise, I got a bunch of from the galleries. I got a bunch of bullshit we could talk about. I saw a new nebula. It looks like a skull, which Jake Bass actually said.

So here we are. We're here to talk golf and have ourselves a good time. It was a little spicier than I was expecting this week. Riggs and I were talking. There was a lot that went on. You had a live tournament that was won by a kid, one of the kids, Eugenio Ouccaro, who decided not to go to the PGA tour, decided to go to Live Golf. He won 4.75 million.

You had Tom Kim just continuing his absolute tear through the golf world. You had John Rom winning in Spain and then basically being like, we need to stop being so mean to everyone at Live and let's congratulate Eugenio. So this was a spicy week, pretty good for October. Talk to me about this Eugenio guy because obviously the Live bots all over Twitter, like imagine if this guy was making $100,000 on the corn fairy tour. And here in one fucking tournament in Bangkok, he makes almost $5 million. Is that pretty much it?

Like he would have just be, he would have had to grind his way through, you know, Q school and or would he not even have been able? Like where would he most likely be for, say, the next six months if he didn't go to live? The corn fairy tour. He was like, I think he was in the top five of the PJ Tour U standing. So he would have gotten corn and ferry tour status. But, you know, no guarantee that you make it through, right?

No guarantee that you're on the PGA tour after a year. There's still no direct path from college golf straight to the PGA tour, which I think there should be. I think the top five players should just be able to go straight to the PGA tour if the PGA tour wants to continue to get young talent because there are going to be college players who are seeing what Eugenio just did, which is I'm not going to go to the PGA tour. I'm going to go to live and I'm going to sign probably for over a million dollars before I even hit a shot. 22 money winner PG or Corn Ferry Tour Justin Sour $497,000

Yes this guy won 10X in one event I mean come on that But that's not a good weekend for live golf Frankie you gotta be pumped This is a big week Amazing Well it's interesting though This is the blue this might be a blueprint

That other people follow You know we saw David Pooge or Pooge or whatever it was the same thing And you know this was this was what the PGA tour assumed would not happen right Which is guys who are not 20 year veterans, guys who are not 45 years old, guys who are just starting their careers. This guy chose not to play in the PGA tour, not to, he doesn't have a path to the majors just

yet, but he's got $4.75 million plus whatever he signed for in his pocket. So he's probably feeling pretty good about his choice right now. He's got to be feeling fucking amazing. But I guess where does that put him? I guess where does that put him? Like the money was never the issue, right? Like we always knew that if you were going to go there, you were probably going to make a shit ton of money whether you win or not. But now it is interesting in the in this in the like is he going to be a

star. Like we know who he is because John Rom thanked him in his post tournament press conference. But like outside of that, hopefully like how does how does this guy now translate to the mainstream? Like if you asked, this is a bad example, I guess, but if you asked my mom like who won that tournament, who who is this kid, she'd be like, I have no fucking idea. She knows who John Rahm is, but she has no idea who this kid is. And I just this, it's an interesting test case to see. What where it goes from here with a guy like that? Totally. I, uh, this guy Eric Smallwood, he runs Apex Marketing Group.

He's been very nice in sending me some breakdowns about, you know, viewership. And the final round viewership. What's his last name? I think it's small wood. Don't make a joke. I'm not. I just, I know. I genuinely just asked what his last name was.

His name is small wood. Good job by us. So, yeah. Yeah. That's fine. And it was like 25,000 people on average for the final round, which is, which is nothing. That's nothing. That's just nothing.

Granted, it was in Bangkok. Granted, it's on TV in some countries. But in the U.S., the only real way to watch is YouTube. And no one really paid attention. And you're right, Trent, because he's a lot richer now, but he's no closer to playing in a major championship. He's no closer to moving up the world rankings. He just has a ton of money in his pocket.

So it's strange, strange times that he wins an event that Cameron Smith and Dustin Johnson and Matt Wolf and Taylor Good. You know, he beat a lot of really good players and he has a lot of money to show for it. But how much does the other stuff matter? How much does playing in the majors matter? How much does moving up the world rankings matter? If you view this as a job, then you can't say that anything but I'm smashing success for him so far. Right?

He's been out of college for like three months and he's got like $5 million in the bank. True. There's no one else's years. If you're not in it to be, you know, a major winner or like a public superstar. Like I think, I guess that's the way that I'm wired now when I watch sports because I've been watching it that way my whole life where once you're really good at something, you then get the accolades and you get the recognition and everyone's like, oh my gosh, this guy is so great. And everybody's talking about the next day and the next week.

With this, it's a very strange professional sports league where the people who are extremely successful, yes, they make ungodly amounts of money, but the public, like, awareness of them is not there. And it's unlike any sports league I've ever encountered in my entire life. It's unlike anything that's happened in golf because, you know, they're talking about all these rankings and all these systems, right? where it's like, oh, if you want to become a tour that has official world golf ranking points, you need to go through this process and this process.

Those rules were not created with live golf in mind. Those rules were created with some random tour that's trying to get world ranking points, not some Saudi behemoth that's going to pay guys $100 million to play. So we got a really weird situation where you've got the PGA tour of India is offering world ranking points, but live golf isn't. It's like the guys, they're in the same league as like the CEO of a huge corporation makes millions of dollars each year. but nobody knows who they are.

That's what these guys are doing, but they're playing a sport. It's hard for my brain to comprehend what this is going to look like. Well, because usually the money comes because people are paying attention. Right. Right. The money comes because people are watching and they can sell advertisement.

This money is coming because there's a guy in the Saudi government who loves golf. Right. Right. Like we were looking at who in theory loves golf. We were, I mean, we were looking and we were talking NBA contracts last week because we have this behind the scenes discussion a lot about hockey players

and the comparison between big contracts. We were talking about Matt Barzal and his contract. And that got us on NBA contracts. And it's like 40, 50 million dollars guys are making, you know, per year. And then you, you think about how unimaginably successful you have to be in business to be CEO or run a hedge fund that manages billions of dollars in order to clear that kind of coin. And here guys are that are getting, I mean, Barzal has got three, you know, three fourths of a hundred million dollars he's getting. And he's someone that we were almost laughing at comparison to, you know, guys in the NBA or the MLB. And you're right, Dan, that it's, it's backwards for us because those things come over time as your

sport, you know, takes over. And even with baseball, like with MLB playoffs going on, like we were discussing yesterday with the crew that I went to the Cardinals game with, great stadium, state farm, by the way, phenomenal stadium. Huge win for me on the Marshall Sportsbook. So congratulations to me. But comparing where the NFL is now versus MLB, like the NFL used to have to cater to MLB playoffs and Sunday night football and Monday night football. They used to have to change their schedule because playoff baseball or the World Series or whatever would dominate, you know, TV and ratings. Now it's the other way around. It's like 15, 20, 30 million people were watching Sunday, Monday, Thursday night football to the point where MLB is going to have, they have to schedule literally the World Series around football. And so things change so much, and it is interesting with the new league in that, you know, the more I do see guaranteed contracts for megastars and other sports, you know, the tour has clearly had to, you know, make changes and people were kind of laughing now.

Like, oh, Phil's the reason these guys are going to make all sorts of money. But it almost seems ridiculous now that we didn't, that people didn't know it was inevitable that they're going to have to have some sort of guarantee or these elevated. you know, events where these guys can make more and more money that are the top 15 or 20 or whatever it is, because we've talked on this show over 500 times now, this is like our 5003rd episode, how there's really like 10 to 20 names in golf that matter. And the rest, even some of the guys in the top 10, like Patrick Cantley, for example, like doesn't really matter, I would say, because he doesn't move the needle. There's only 10 or 15 guys in all of golf that are really going to drive ratings and interest and

curating and all that. And if you can't make sure that those guys are locked in, they're going to find something else. So that's why we have fucking lit. Yeah. And it's a new league is the thing that keeps popping up in my head every time we talk about stuff like this where it doesn't matter. We're not seeing it. Trent's mom would know the person's name.

I do think that if this was a clean money, Jeff Bezos type league and like it was just being played in Washington State and like all these superstars went over to it, I think with all that they'd have weird names on the. their team names, it'd all be a different thing. We'd all be like, well, that's kind of strange. I don't know why they're doing that. We're not going to watch that over what's already on Golf Channel and NBC. So I do think just it being new is the reason why. I think right now it's becoming normal and more normal and more normal as tournaments go on, as guys win, it's going to become more of like, oh yeah, that's that thing that's happening. Maybe I should tune in. It's just like it's so fucking new.

Like no matter what it is, no matter what money's backing it, no matter what the morality behind it is, it was always going to be like a ripping off the band-day, like, all right, we have to deal with this now. Like, this is just a new league. Like, this is something that is now in our lives, regardless of where the money is coming from. We was always going to be awkward for the first couple of years. It's a weird one because you're right.

It is becoming a very normalized. I looked at Eugenio's Wikipedia today. And, you know, there's like the little thing when the PJ tour events that they've won and then they have a little graphic like that's up there. There's a live leaderboard on ESPN.com now I was looking at this week. I mean, it's a thing. It's happening right now. I got an app.

I don't think there's a live app. When do I download the live app? That's my question. Like at what point in my life am I going to download the live golf app? Well, I think they have two more events, right? They have Saudi Arabia this week, which that will be home games. Come home, baby. Yeah, home game.

That'll be an entertaining watch, watching the broadcasters. Because, like, I try to be as straight down the middle as I can about live, but the broadcast can be really tough to watch because it's just, it's really just like propaganda and PR, and they're talking about how great everything is and how big the fans are. watching them try to dance around like the Saudi Arabia atrocities this week is going to be some really, really compelling viewing. So they have that this week. Then they have the thing at Trump, which again will be another shit show because Trump is there and it's this whole thing in Florida.

And then they have this off season before I think they're going to start up in like February. And I think you're going to see a lot of that kind of stuff develop in the off season, like the app and like, you know, just then become more of a legitimate business because this year they always viewed as the beta test. Next year is the launch of the league. and you're going to have the same players playing in every event. And there's going to be more of a clear identity for each team. So I think next year, Riggs is when it's really going to start to look and function like a real sports league. And now the only real thing standing between them and total legitimacy is the official world golf ranking. If they get world ranking points and there's a path to the majors, then we have two tours.

We have two tours that are, you know, legitimate options, not just for established stars, but for young up and coming players like a Eugenio Chakara. I would say a comeback, comeback player of the year is live golf this year. I mean, it was down. People were shitting on it. They were doing a victory lap at the player's championship. Rory called it dead in the water. We all thought he was right.

Monaghan was literally taking victory laps. He was out there with Mike Tariko. He was doing the whole thing. Live golf, by all accounts, in 2022, the year of our lord, had an extremely successful year. I would be curious to know, like the one question, if I could ask the powers that be, at Live, one question, it would be, how long are you willing to burn money to try to make this work? Because Frankie's right, this is really new.

And I think we all, to a degree, very different degrees, thought it was going to fall flat on its face at some point. But now that it's a thing, I think Riggs is right, that comeback player of the year, it's more normal than it's ever been. And every day, it gets more and more normal. So in terms of like a phase one for Live, they're probably like, all right, we're just in the conversation now. here we are. I just want to know what the inner workings look like and how long they're willing to just throw money, to buy time on Fox to, you know, I think them paying big money for big players is probably over since they've got that set number of people that they want. But I'm just very curious to know, because it could be five years. Like we're talking every time we talk like,

what's going to happen next? Is it going to go down? But in a room somewhere, they could just be like, we're going to do this for five years and then we'll see what happens. Like it's so, so early that we just have no idea where it's going to go. Yeah, I've had these conversations with live people, and they talk about a 20 or 30-year plan. Now, obviously, they're going to need to have the balance sheet be a little bit more balanced if that is to be the case. But they're viewing this really long term. It's just a sheet right now.

Just a sheet. They're viewing this as just disrupt, disrupt, disrupt. And they've done a really good job, as Riggs was mentioning. They've done better than I think any of us ever would have imagined. If I told you on October 10th that they'd have the former world number, to, you know, wins a tournament and he beats Patrick Reed and a bunch of other really good players. And you'd say, oh, my goodness, this thing came way further than I ever expected it to. Is live, do we think live golf is similar to the mob in that nobody gets out alive? Like,

only rats get out alive. Like once you're a live guy, right? You like can't, I mean, can you leave? Can you be like, yeah, I got even like the execs behind the scenes or the guy, like the guy that's running the media. Can he after three years grab his money and like, yeah, I'm going to go work somewhere else are they going to accept that? Is live golf going to accept that? Yeah, the length of the contracts is also an interesting question. Like, how long is DJ tied up? How long is Cam Smith tied up? How long? And then at the end of that, what is the conversation? Like, do you call like Saudi Arabia and be like, all right, guys, I'm going to take a different opportunity. And they're like, oh, no, you're not. And I don't think so, you know. And then the PJ tour, if they, they have to make a decision as well.

Like, are we going to let a guy come back if he, after his live contract is over? Can he now, come back to the PJ tour. If he doesn't want to stay and live and the PJ tour won't accept him, then what happens? Like he's just a man without an island. You've got to hope that these professional athletes, like Dustin Johnson and Phil Mickelson, had 35 lawyers look at every single piece of paper. They signed to make sure that they knew exactly what their exit strategy would be or what would happen in any sort of situation.

I understand you're dealing with guys that really don't deal with papers. And I heard one number and was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. But I don't think his team, like there's got to be at least a couple of. a couple of those. I don't think their teams let them just be like, we don't know what happens after. We could like go like you might have to behead someone at the end of this thing.

No, no, no. D. No, but like, Okay, I got money now. Not, all right, not the extreme example, but the example of we still don't even know what it would look like if a guy, if his contract was up today, the PJ tour would have to make a decision.

All these people would have to make a decision. I get that like, we're like, we're alluding to dark undertones, but from just a legal contract standpoint, decisions still have to be made from the governing bodies to have anybody make any sort of decision. Yeah, I think that's the case in any walk of life. Like, if you just stop doing your job, there's going to be conversations to be had with your employer or whoever you're going to. I mean, happens at Barstall.

Like, Coley Mick, like, he ended up quitting Barstall. And Dave's like, you can't go to this specific place. You have to go to another place. I mean, there's always conversations being had about where you can go, where you can't go. Jared Caravis, it was a huge deal. I mean, this is just in our world. I mean, you don't think it's going to be the same in golf. It's going to be, yeah, it's going to be messy.

going to be crazy. There's going to be huge headlines again in three years when guys want to come back and that's just going to make everything rev up again. And who knows where Livgolf will be at that point? Live golf might be like an oasis for some guys to want to go play at that point. They're not going to want to leave. Who knows? It might be successful or it might be the fucking worst thing of all time. You'd be surprised, I think, at the lack of advice that some of these guys did get. Like, I remember when Taylor Gooch signed and then he was suspended, he was like dumbfounded. He was like, I can't believe they actually suspended me. Like I never. Remember when they were in the car? When they were in the car, like thinking they're going to get an tournament.

They were like a mile of the road. They were literally parked on the side of the road. Watching the court and the court was like, yeah, you can't play it. They're all like, wait, what do you mean? Incredible. Like, I'm here. So, Danny, what's the official update? Hold on.

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Gets me excited every time. So shout out to Chevy EVs. All right. Well, as I say, what's the update on the world ranking situation? We talked about it, like as it was breaking news on last show when we were sitting at Big Cedar Lodge. What have we learned since then? Yeah, they tried to pull a fast one. It's kind of the only really way to explain it.

They tried to find a loophole basically where they kind of, and I like that they use the term strategic alliance with the Mena Tour because that's the word that the PGA Tour used for its strategic alliance with the D.P. World Tour. So that was definitely trolling. Basically, they tried to kind of co-opt a tour that already had world ranking points and say, oh, no, we're the Mena Tour now. You have to give us world ranking points. the official World Golf ranking released a statement that was like not basically just saying not so fast.

But they're dragging their feet. Like they don't know. I don't think they know what to do because we were talking about this earlier. The world ranking, all these rules and stuff were not created for LiveGolf. They were created for like a random tour that starts up in some random country. And you have to make them do a certain amount of things for them to get world ranking points. It wasn't designed to have, you know, Cameron Smith, the number two player in the world playing on the tour that doesn't have world ranking points. So they basically released a statement that said, not yet.

We're reviewing everything. and Bryson and Brooks, who were standing next to each other during a press conference, which was kind of a funny visual. That's weird. Yeah, Brooks was like, I don't, you know, just make a choice, yes or no. Bryson basically said that they're dragging their feet so that all of our ranking points, all of our world rankings go down so that when we do get world ranking points, the way they devise the strength of field is by how good the players are who are in the field.

If they wait another couple months and all these guys are in the 40s and the 50s instead of the 10s and the 20s, then they'll have less world ranking points. So he said that they're basically trying to drag their feet so that they can devalue them. It's getting tense. It's definitely getting tense. And as I wrote about this on Friday, you know, the people on the World Ranking Board is like Jay Monaghan's on the World Ranking Board. Keith Pelly, who's the head of the DP World Tour is on the World Ranking Board.

Martin Slumbers, who runs the R&A, who said that Live Golf is not good for golf. Great name. Yeah, Martin Slumbers is great. It's on the World Ranking Tour. It's on the World Ranking Board. So there's a lot of conflict of interest. It's really sticky. It's probably going to end up in lawsuits just like everything else.

Who runs the official World Golf rankings? To me, it's a website. I just see a dot com. I like there's a Jay Monaghan, there's a Greg Norman. We did their site after we shit on it, by the way. Redid their website after we should. Did they really? Yeah,

it looks pretty good now. It's a little more futuristic. Do they have a guy? Because I just, I can't think of a name when I think about the official world golf rankings. I'm sure there is a guy, but I think it's a board that really runs it. Yeah,

it's just a moderator on the website. Usually it's just like, all the world rankings. Right. It's usually, it's not a big deal usually. Like when do we ever talked about the world ranking board before this? It was just like an algorithm that's in place.

You know what I mean? Right. And now it's to literally just be a spreadsheet. Like the website used to just be a spreadsheet. Yeah. And now it's like the number one nexus of drama in the world in the world of golf. Um, all right. PGA tour.

We had, uh, Tom Kim. He gets his second win before turning 21. First person to do that since a one, uh, Eldrick Tiger Woods did it in 1996, uh, him versus Cantley down the stretch. Can't lay a classic desert golf. a lot of desert golf hits it a little left off the tee in a bush tried to hack it out, which pretty much he only played. Credit to Patrick Cantlay, because I remember Ian Polter one time was a total coward

and clearly he was not playing to win the golf tournament. Patrick Cantley was out there on 18. Yeah, he made a triple bogey, which I think he actually had a one putt triple. He made like a 30 footer for triple. But he clearly was going for the win. He's tied. There are three stroke difference between second place, I believe at the time. Went for the win, tried to hit a shot back out to the fairway.

that was very much unlikely, but pretty much the only thing he could possibly do if he actually wanted to win the golf tournament. His Tom Kim was in the middle of fairway. It was clearly going to make par at worst. Went for the win, ended up making triple. It is what it is. I do like that somebody tried to give him an out in the interview afterwards and said, you know, unlucky break on 18. And he just goes, yeah, not too unlucky. I made a bad swing.

And it went where it went, which is owning up to it. So, Cantley, I do believe when you have found yourself in a position to pay attention to him, he's extremely candid and actually said some very, very thoughtful things over the years. But as we've talked about a lot, he's not the most electric guy to watch on the coverage. And him and Tom Kim have had some absolute battles. I looked up because I was very curious because I recalled on the 18th hole when it was Tom Kim and he ended up hitting the club in, making the putt, winning the match on Saturday evening. I remember he had like 239 yards in.

And I remember Cantlay and Zander, I believe, both had like 180. And I was like, what is this guy's deal? Does he just not hit the golf ball very far? And I looked it up. And I believe he's tied for a hundred and twenty eighth, or he is a hundred and twenty eighth in driving distance this year. So far it's only been a couple tournaments or whatever. But that I liked because seeing a guy who's clearly coming on the scene, win in, he was amazing at the president's cup.

that doesn't bomb the golf ball. It's just a little bit inspiring, I thought. Yeah, so they're a few and far between. Usually you see a young kid come up these days, especially 20 years old, and they absolutely mash the ball. But yeah, it's a little more Kawa-esque, right? Where he's not going to beat you with his power game. But I thought it was fun watching him because he was in such a different headspace

than he was at the President's Cup. And the President's Cup, he was like with a chicken without his head off, right? He was going crazy. Everything was, let's go. He was pumping up the crowd. He was running around the green. He was in a very different headspace on some. Monday with Joe Scovron, Scovron, Scoveron, Scoveron, Ricky Fowler's old caddy.

They were really talking through every shot. He played bogey free for 72 holes. Was he much more calm, much more measured, much more even tempered? He was bogey free for 72 holes. Yeah, the third guy since 1972, I think it's, or 74. It's Lee Trevino, J.T. Poston did it a couple years ago at your favorite tournament, the Wyndham Championship. Great turn.

So the guy's number 15 in the world already. You know, five months ago he was playing him on the Korean tour. This is the exact kind of guy that the PJ tour needed to step up. When you lose stars, you need new ones to come in and backfill. And he's done that perfectly. He's really a star. And as we talked about, he's got this unique potential to break out as a superstar in the U.S. and be really the first Asian male golfer to do that because of how well he speaks English,

because of how funny he is, because of how passionate he is. And he's here and he's here to stay. He's got the right attitude too. First party ever. First party ever. I'll never forget that. Yeah, Frankie hit him with the, like, see you've never been to a gathering of multiple human beings to celebrate something. He goes, nope.

Anything, nothing. There's a really good definition of a party. You pulled that out of your ass really quickly. It was impressive. Well, yeah, I'm just, like a party could be five people sitting around a cake with a little candle in it. Right. He's never even seen that. Never stumbled upon a party and like, oh, I'm at a party now.

Never once. No, no. Didn't happen. Or he goes to a restaurant and they go, a party of four. He goes, I don't even know what that is. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't be a part of that. Can't be a part of that.

I like how excited he is. And that's like that he, he adores himself to the masses when he does the post run interviews and is like, I'm 20 and I'm on the PJ tour and I'm winning. I think he said he feels like he's at Disneyland. He's just like, I am having a great time. Yeah.

And that's the right attitude. It'd be one, like some guys who would like have this type of success would just be like, yeah, you know, I'm meant to be here. I'm playing. the way I should be. I'm on the PJA tour, whatever. He's just like, this is amazing. I do feel like I

should be here, but I'm going to soak up every second of it. And yeah, Tom Kim is a budding superstar. I'm having fun playing on the PGA tour. It's awesome. When we talk to him, it was a great line. Great line. When we talked to him, too, it was very clear that he's 20 years old, you know, like some guys you talk to them and they're 20 going on 35. Morikawa is another guy who's kind of like that. one of these guys who's just been 32 their entire lives. But he's a kid. He never really went to school.

He didn't go to college. He's been playing golf his whole life. So he, when you talk to him, it's very clear that he's 20 years old and that he's soaking in the moment. And it's refreshing to see that. I think you're right, Trent.

I got that vibe from Sahith as well. He was a guy who's just like, oh, man, he's a, what is he, 23, 24? Yeah, he's in that range. Talking about having roommates, like talking about playing video games. Like, that's a young guy.

And those two guys are just like, excited to be in the position that they're in, and that is incredibly refreshing. I got to ask you guys about video games real quick. Talk about cross-country mortgage first. Frankie, I know you love cross-country mortgage. I love for... I'm in debt to cross-country mortgage, you know, mentally, physically, literally, theoretically, in every sense, I love cross-country mortgage as much as you can possibly love a mortgage company.

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org and again go see if you qualify today visit ccm.com slash barstool now um i want to talk about video games video games big for us um we love uh 2k golf you guys got really into it last year you're on youtube for hours and hours making aces now that i'm back in arizona for the winter our travel is mostly subsided until the springtime i really want to hunker down and get into video games what is the new what is the the current cody that people are playing because i when i go on the little search thing on Xbox I got the Xbox one is Xbox one like ancient do I need a new Xbox What is what is the new shit? What do I need here?

Series X Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 PS5 has sold out Every time it's been it's it's you can't get it in store so I think there was a meme or something the other day That was like PlayStation 5 has come out two years ago to like this day and it still hasn't hit the stores yet Is that why I see everyone always like giving them away like when they're hacked on Twitter. You actually can't get up, you can't go to a Best Buy and buy it yet. It's still out of stock.

It's kind of be a production issue. It's a production issue. It's a processing issue. Like all of the stuff. Supply chain. Supply chain. But also some reason Sony like didn't make enough of them

to start and they got just fucking crushed. A billion people bought them. And then they had this wait list and all these people waiting on them. So they just can't make enough for the demand. There's just not enough product for it. But Xbox seems to have been able to figure it out.

To answer your question rigs about COD, I don't know what the latest version is. I know Alex Bush is listening in on the podcast. He is a video game guy. He's probably got more insight into it than I do, but I don't know what the current version is. The latest one I got, which I literally Googled the other day, most popular video game in the world, because I just want to play what the kids are playing. You want to get going. Call of Duty.

And I've got a long call of duty past. I went to college. Like we fucking played COD all time. But it was like the, yeah, it was when you, you get three kills and you get a fucking satellite and radar. And then you get five. and you're in a fucking chopper shooting people. Now, I try to play this latest one.

And I'm used to like, uh, death match or whatever where it's like fucking eight against eight or four on four and you get randomly matched up and the kids are, you know, calling you cucks and shit on the headset. Now, the latest one I'm playing.

I'm trying to do a normal fucking matchup. And I, they got me parachuting out of a fucking plane and then I got to run for 10 miles to find somebody and then they just kill me. I want the action where you're in the tight map and it's fucking, you kill two people and you die seven times in a row. I want that action. Bro, like a year,

year and a half ago, I felt the way that you feel right now. I was like, I want to get involved. I see people talking about it. I want to do it. So I got COD and I started playing solos and I was jumping out of the plane.

You're by yourself. And it is a harrowing experience. Like you, my boots at the ground. I run 50 feet and I get shot in the head. And it's just, it's way, way harder than I remember.

I just run the whole time. My left thumb is like, it's sore because I just am running forward for five minutes. I don't see anybody and then I just die. This is the new version of these games. It's Battle Royale. It's like every man for himself or you play with your own team. So Fortnite and what was the other one?

Apex Legends or whatever were the games that essentially started this and now Call a Duty is doing it. So it's like every man for himself you drop out of in Fortnite you drop out of a bus and you've land. I actually got into a really big Fortnite kick like probably two years ago during that like 2020, 2020, I was playing Fortnite like a fucking maniac just like everyone else was. that had a video game. But now Call Did he's gone to that.

But I think, I mean, Alex, you can try and you can chime in here, but I'm pretty sure that they also still have like team death match and like capture the flag and headquarters. There he is. There is. Sorry. Fun nerd. No.

No, you're talking about war zone. And there's still multiplayer. You know, rigs what you're talking about. There's actually the new one comes out in like two, two or three weeks. They're redoing modern warfare too. so that comes out in a couple weeks but like war zone coincides with the games and they make the battle royal version

so it's like two separate things so you can buy a call of duty and war zone right that's two separate games so war zone's free just like apex and fortnight and that's like the battle royale and you know each each year there's a multiplayer game and then that comes out in a couple weeks and it's actually going to be on a two year cycle now

and what do I need to be relevant what do I need to be relevant? Call of duty. The new call of duty that's coming out. It's going to be the multiplayer game. I mean, the new call of duty comes out in like two and a half weeks. And when that comes out,

the new war zone comes out. So like, war zone one's going to be dead. The last call duty is dead when that new game comes out in a couple weeks. Yeah. I was with these guys yesterday at the game at the cards game. And they're like, you play COD.

I was like, yeah, I didn't know what that meant at the end of it. They're like, yeah, we're going to sync up. And I'm like, I got to practice. I don't know.

So I tried and I did the parachute thing. And then I'm in a fucking you. I was in like the, I was just in the universe. I wasn't in the map. I wasn't, it was like, I couldn't find anybody. You have to commit to it though. And it's going to take up some time because, I mean, I got no better at it because I was just horrible at it.

But I was living with Robbie Fox at the time and I would watch him play and he would slowly get better. He would, first he would die in the first five minutes and then he'd have two kills and then five kills and then seven kills. It is a skill. I just wasn't willing to put in the time to, I would rather play divot derby. But if you want to get COD and commit the time to it, I would imagine once you're at a certain level, it's really, really fun. I was just never willing to put in the time to get over that hump where I didn't die within the first two minutes.

I got a really different video game history than you guys do. My parents, I guess, were sort of old school. I wasn't really allowed to play like war or shooting games growing up. So I don't have any real experience with Call of Duty or even Halo or anything that was popular when we were young. I was allowed to play like Madden and FIFA and that was about it. I played a lot of sports video games, but I was allowed to play Call of Duty at that. Because it got so big that, like, I would say you're, you're like going to make me turn to like the weirdest person ever. I'm the loser at school.

Yeah, if I can't play Call of Duty right now, it's insane. Even when I was back home for the holidays this last time around, me and my buddies got back into Halo. And that's tight maps. That's your right in front of each other. It's not as, black out. But that's what Call Duty is doing. They're remaking Modern Warfare too. All the OG maps, everyone loved of Call Duty.

these like OG tight maps. Modern warfare was like one of the best games ever. And now they're fucking remaking it for the new systems and the new graphics and the new games and the new just like shooting capabilities and all the fucking new air drops and the new, the nuclear bomb that drops. I want to be yelling at campers all this. Cause because they're fucking hiding in the corner of the shotgun. Like I can't find anybody. Do you still need a headset? Do you still need a headset if you're going to like talk shit?

Of course. Yeah. That's sick. I was seeing someone in the headset. Like, you know, you know what they're doing. And 2K's coming out like this week. So Trent and I became so obsessed with 2K21 that it was like our eyeballs were bleeding. I built two golf courses in the video game.

I built Butters Bay and Knives Creek and they are oases of the digital world. I cannot wait. Which one's more renowned would you say? Yeah, what's higher ranked? What's higher ranks? Dude, Knives Creek was my first golf course, but Butter's Bay was a step above the rest. Butters Bay got to the level where like, honestly, I don't know how it's not a real golf course. I don't know how someone hasn't taken the blueprint.

Like, rap, you don't understand. That should be the goal for four players to eventually build Butter's Bay. You genuinely don't understand how good this golf course is. Like, when you buy this, I'm assuming I'll be able to put it into the new game. It's on my PC, so I'll be able to upload it to the new one. You need like an ocean, right? You got to start with an ocean. Yeah, I was going to say, where's your dream location for Butter's Bay?

So I actually picked it out and someone DMed it to me. I basically said that I built this off a private island just off of the San Diego area. Oh wow, Southern California. Southern California. It was so cheap out there. Dude, I was just saying this like the day I released it on the stream and someone tweeted at me that there is a private island just off of San Diego that I think was used for like a

naval base or something like that. And they actually tweeted at me that there's some like, there's some curvature in the, like from the viewpoint that actually mapped out and matched what I had built. It was fucking weird. Like really weird. And they even sent me a DM that like, dude, where you have like the first. hole going to the water.

That's exactly where this like little inlet is. And the sun would come down at the same spot that you did it on. He's like, this is actually, you recreated this exact spot. I mean, it's legit technology. What was the golf course that they were recreating in real life and they were using? Lido. Lido. Yes.

So Lido was on Long Island. It was, you know, they have a Lido golf course now, but it's at Lido Beach on Long Island, South Shore. And it was like the most world renowned golf course in like the early 1900. McKenzie maybe. I believe it was. Yeah, it was one of the OGs. Yeah.

So it was like one of the more world-renowned golf courses right on the ocean, right there in Lido Beach. And they had to actually build over it to put like military housing on top of it. Like barracks and stuff? Yeah, during like the World Wars, they were just like, we can't, we have to use this land to put barracks up. So the course just got completely dominated by this. And then they just never got it back. So they ended up building a public golf course over it, but it's just not the same. It doesn't have any of the same architecture.

It's just kind of a public golf course, kind of a dog track. Like, it's just something that all those people in that area will play. It definitely wasn't the private, like, elite level that it used to be. So someone recreated what it used to be by looking at blueprints and papers from what they had found from the original Lido. And they made a golf course called Lido in PGA 221. That was so legit that architects from who's building it. It's like a... San Valley.

San Valley, they're building, you know, I think it's opening like this year. I think I saw some, I saw some videos. It's a real thing. But they built it based off of the video game. They brought the guy in and they're like, how'd you do this? Show us all the stuff. Because in 2K, it's so legit that you can actually get elevation changes and slope to the exact like inch. What's the technology?

We need to find, we need to find an upstart like a up and coming. Laser scan or something. We got to find an up and coming architect who wants to build Butter's Bay. And then we can make it happen. It sounds like it's not that far away. That's the upcoming. So this is a good little blurb. The original Lolito Golf Club opened in 1917 was considered in the same company as Royal Dornick, Ballet Bunyan, Pine Valley, Shinnock, National Golf Lings, Best Golf Designs, Best Golf Designs, Best Golf Designs, Best Golf Designs, Considered, Inc, Inc., considered one of the greatest golf architect.

C.B. McDonald's. But also included three holes inspired by entries in a golf architecture design competition in Country Life magazine. One contest winner was Alistair McKinsey, considered one of the greatest golf architect. ever. How great is that he want a fucking magazine entry and designed three holes on this court? It's insane. And the fact that they're just building this at San Valley, we tried to go do a, like, behind the greens there. And like, we were going to go there. They're like, yeah, like no one's actually filming this thing. And then I think I gave them the idea to just do it themselves. And they're just doing it themselves. Because like half went through the call. Remember that?

I've seen some Frankie-esque stuff coming out. I had like three calls with San Valley about going to do this documentary. I'm like, bro, you guys are building Lido. I'm a Long Island guy. We can do all the history. I can go to Lido Beach, like, film behind the scenes of, like, guys talking at that golf course. And they're like, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I'm like, I can come, I'll film everything like that you guys, all the side you put down. I'll come live out there for a month. They're like, no problem. And at the end, they're like, you know what? We're actually just going to think about it. We're going to talk internally and then we'll get back to you. And then the next day was like, there was a headline on like golf week or something. There was like Sand Valley to make

like unbelievable documentary completely privately run and like in how. House documentary. Some people still know how to do business. Yeah, exactly. Fuck you, San Valley. It's called Next to the Greens. Fuck you, no, that's, um, yeah, at a certain point, they're like, you got any more ideas? And they're like, that's it.

And they're like, click and they're gone. All these other fuck, all these people take our ideas. It is what it is. Innovators. We got to do Wisconsin, uh, uh, travel series one year. Wisconsin's fantastic. We had a conversation. We were all having a conversation, the four of us at, uh, at big Cedar.

about what our top three or what's the top five favorite states are just in general three and wisconsin's knocking on the door for me i mean californian color app asked me he goes what are your top three states and i was like i never thought about that yeah that's a good question that's a really good question really good question i think i did amazingly as much as i've shit on new york i put new york state in which is rich coming from you talking about gridlock not no one uses the word gridlock more than sam bezoan talking about major cities he doesn't like I despise it, but I have to say, I could be objective and say that New York has it all. It's got the city, upstate New York, Hudson Valley, Long Island, the Montau.

It's just, it's New York. I don't know how you don't put New York at your top three states. Yeah. Yeah, I think I did Colorado, California, and then I was accused of cheating when I said Hawaii because. Well, that's not, come on. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Hawaii's not a state.

That's a little, that's, no, you can't say Hawaii. That's not the spirit of the. question. You can say Alaska? You say Alaska, Hawaii and Guam? No, but the reason I wouldn't say Alaska, it means I should be able to say Hawaii. It's all, we're all, it's 50 states. That's what the United States is. And that's a lot, it's one of them. It's a long way of saying that Wisconsin is loaded with golf courses and we should get out there for sure. I have a question about the world. If we're talking about the world, I have a question about the world. Sure. I saw this come across my desk. I saw this come across my desk yesterday. Someone asked a question on Twitter and they said,

is there any new water on earth or is it all just OG water that the planet started with? My gut reaction is that it's all OG water. Well, can't you create water, like reverse engineer water through hydrogen and oxygen? But isn't that coming from like the water that's already here that's in the atmosphere? Yeah, probably. Yeah, I don't think we're... It's the mass conversation that we had. It's here.

Right. But you know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. I would argue, yeah, it is the mass conversation where all the components that we are using in whatever way, there's trillions of ways to use them, I think they're all here. But no new water gets like put into the system, right? There's no sort of, there's nothing inside like the core of the earth that like shoots out water and refills things. It's just whatever has been on the top is.

Well, I think there's hydrogen. Things definitely produce hydrogen. So I think that's right and water changes form right like it evaporates and then it you know so that's kind of like I mean it's changing form but I don't think you I don't know that you're changing the level of hydrogen and oxygen that's on earth but even Frankie even if the water that you're saying comes out of a geyser in Wyoming like that was already still here true and like uh yeah what about like if uh yeah I guess icebergs melting that's just more water I like how you said I like how you said it came across like you know you have like uh assistants who are

passing you the most interesting facts you said oh look it's just twitter he just scroll the pot on twitter did you guys watch that document by the way have you guys watch the um infinity no oh all right so i actually did watch it i watched a little bit of it so did you get to the box no i watched 45 minutes of it and i understood so little about what they were talking about that i gave up you didn't get to the box it's kind of bullshit i thought the show kind of bullshit. What? I actually agree with that.

They just kept saying infinity. They just say infinity a billion times. What the show is about? And also, I know, but like they didn't, I know infinity is just like, it just never ends and that's,

and then they just keep saying that for like an hour and a half. Can I tell you the thought I couldn't really do it for me that much? I feel like I kind of get it. But if we got to the end, they'd be like, well, maybe there isn't infinity because it can't be computed. Like maybe what we've been thinking about is wrong. I'll tell you what the thought I couldn't get out of my head as I was watching it.

was aren't numbers made up to? Like they are, they keep throwing numbers at me, but numbers are a human creation. So it's like, all right, I get that your numbers, our way of counting is, is immeasurable because we can't find an end to it. But that's just our thing that we created.

All right, but numbers are something that we created. The hotel thing is a dumbest thing I've ever seen. Tell us, tell us. Let me tell you this, too. The graphics budget for a trip to infinity had to be infinity because they throw so many graphs at you and they're throwing you around they're taking you to the hotel it's like i i know i don't know where the numbers go there's so many of them they're gonna move a billion people in the hotel like what what like that was that like what

was that like what top floor conversation yeah but that was just an example of like how you can't add to the end of infinity you have to start from the beginning which would then prove that like as things expand infinity just keeps going you know what i'm saying like as a new star forms everything else gets pushed away You can't just add one to the end because you don't know where the end is. It's a visual representation of what the, what infinity actually is. So many visuals.

That makes more sense. I like that. All right. But my point about what numbers is, is like numbers are our creation. But the idea of doing what numbers does, you need that, right?

Like that is what, I don't know how to put this into words. It's really breaking my brain. But like the number one signifies something. It's just we've called it one. The only thing that sort of got, My ball's tingling was when they were talking about if you keep splitting something in half, how far can you go doing that?

And then they had a rope and they were like, if you keep splitting this rope in half, the idea is that you can eventually, they put the fucking rope in a blender. You can get to the end of that. But when you're talking about a unit of measurement, you can't get to the end of that because no matter how many times you split something in half, there's always something more to split in half. That got me going a little bit. And the idea that there is infinity in between.

like one and two, right? There's one point zero zero zero zero one. So there's even every two numbers, between every two numbers that are as close as possible. Right. Any two numbers that are as close as possible. So even in between the two numbers,

infinity exists. That's the only thing that got me going. The rest of it was like, I know that there's an endless amount of numbers. Have you seen that thing where you've got to get to the box though? You got to get to the box. I couldn't make it to the box. Get forward to the box.

I wanted to get to the box. I was sitting in that chair back there, that leather chair. I was thinking, when is the box happening? Because I'm 50 minutes into this thing. And I just want to see the box and I just gave up. Wait, that's super interesting that you're sitting in the chair because I too have a couch and a chair. And I don't know if I've ever like voluntarily sat in the chair. When you're sitting alone watching TV, you sit in the chair and not the couch. Is that your more a tentative option? I've just, I've just grained a great affinity for that chair. Gained a great affinity for that chair. Now, but that chair's a little off centered from your TV viewing

experience. A little, but it's not like, that drives me. That drives me crazy that you do that. I need to be center. Right in the middle of your couch. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you have the option, there's no one around and you've got what I consider one of the best TV setups ever for Trent. He's got a 77 old-ed flat screen LG TV on the fucking TV. And then he's got two 45 inches underneath it or whatever it may be. He's got 120 inches worth of TVs going at all moments. And he's choosing to sit with a slight angle towards that? Is it your neck sore toward the end? No, but it's just you're not getting optimal viewing experience.

You're not getting optimal viewing experience. It's just slightly up. Hey, you know what's great about the newest TV technology? It doesn't matter where you sit. Yeah, you know what though? You got surround sound, Trent? You got surround sound sound? He's got a bar. You got a bar. You got a bar. I got a bar. You have a sound bar, right? Oh yeah. I got to hook it up, but I haven't been able to do that because you have to get to the back of the TV to hook it up and I can't get the 77 inch off the wall. So I think sound like real

war in there when we're playing COD, Modern Warfare seven or whatever fucking game. I just, you got to sit in the middle, man. You know you said that you can only do rope like splitting in half? Have you seen those hydraulic presses where you can only fold a piece of paper in half seven times? Yeah. No.

If you try and fold a piece of paper in half eight times, it's physically impossible. No matter how they tried to do it. They tried to do it with a hydraulic press and the paper just explodes. It's one of the craziest things you've ever seen. All right. For it right now, Trent. Go for it. I'm doing one fold.

It's an audio podcast, so it's going to be tough for the people listening. But that's one fold. I don't have paper on me. That's twofold. I'm surprised I have paper. You just have pieces of paper around here?

It's insurance, car insurance, I think. Nope, don't need that. Yeah, what's? I just need the cards, right? The police officer comes over. He's like, license insurance.

He's like, I have this paper. I tried to fold in seven pieces. I lost count of how many times I've done it for being totally honest. I mean, we're here now. I think you have four. No, I think I'm at five Or six

I can't This is definitely gonna be the last one Yeah, no I can't do it It's dude A hydraulic press couldn't do it It explodes The paper explodes

So infinity that bitch Let me I'm gonna sit wherever I want In my living room That's fine It's super fair That's fine You have to sit in the middle

At all times To watch TV I just think if that's your Go-to all the time seat And you're always Looking at an angle I think it's crazy to not make your go-to all the time seat, especially if you have no one around

to not be just optimal right in the middle viewing experience. Like why choose the one that's on the side then just choose the one that's better. But I like that, but that chair is super comfortable. Like at some point that has to come into play. Sure. But why not rearrange you to the comfortable chair? Right.

Right. You just put the chair in the middle of the room. That's weird. Let me tell you something. Well, you just put, well, what? Let me tell you something. I'm never rearranging anything else in this living room in terms of furniture because that rug is a nightmare.

to try to like get under there. It's under the leg and then you move it a little bit and it's pushed up together. Oh, I hate that. I was pouring sweat when I put that thing down. I did get a good laugh out of your response, Trent. You were tweeting something about Thrones and someone goes, oh, there's football on and you tweeted a picture of your TV setup and you said,

good thing I'm the richest person who's ever lived. I've been doing that to people for years because I've tweeted about The Bachelor. Like, I'm so conditioned to do that. One time I was watching The Bachelor at my old apartment with Robbie Fox and we had two TVs. So we're able to watch The Bachelor and whatever sports are on. So I can keep track of everything. And they were like, why aren't you watching the sports that are on TV? And I switched both TVs to The Bachelor, took a picture and I tweeted it.

I was like, I got two TVs. Don't worry about it. They got to make the part that goes underneath the couch like rip, like ripable and put back togetherable. You know what I mean? So they can just go around the legs. Yeah. Go around the legs. And then like everything that's underneath the rug, you really don't see anyway.

So who cares if it's like Velcro? or whatever, like how it comes back together. But you need it to be tight and around the legs. I agree with you, Trent. I've got a huge couch downstairs that was probably the worst day of my life trying to get the rug underneath all those pieces. To this day, it's still not tight. There's bumps, there's bruises, there's wrinkles.

It's not tight. It refuses to get tight. We did the math. We need like six people because we did the math. We crunch the numbers. You need like people behind the couch to like move it up. It's insane. It's absolutely insane to get.

this rug underneath this couch. Wait, so Trent, do you never sit on the sectional with your legs out and just chill? No, I do. I do. I put my, or, yeah, I mean, I'll sit there sometimes, but I've really, I really love that chair. Trent, can you go get, um, I got something for you. You know what we're doing on Thursday? Oh, I was going to ask you about this. Are we going to go go go. Go, go get that fucking jersey. Let me go see what that jersey looks like on you. Because Trent Ryan and I are going to opening night, New York Islanders versus the Florida Panthers. It's go time, baby. We had our dress rehearsal the other night.

Islanders versus Rangers and we fucking shoved our cocks down their throats. The islanders are ready to go. They are fucking firing on all cylinders. Here we go. Ely Siroken will win the Vezna Trophy. He's going to be a standout superstar in this league fantasy goalie.

He's going to be fucking unbelievable. Dude, he's going to be fucking unbelievable. And my fantasy league goalie points are like, there it is. Look at that jersey. That thing fits great. That thing fits great. Wow.

It's slimming too. It's really slimming. We're talking about that, you know, it has... Dude, he looks unbelievable. He's strategic with what he buys. He's strategic with what he buys because of his body type. Wow. That fits your body type perfectly, dude.

Couldn't look any better. I'm all in on the Islanders this year. I followed them on Instagram. I followed them on Twitter. Our guy, Matt Barzal, signed up. Got his bag. 7 million. 71 million.

I am there. I'm an Islanders fan this year. Let's go. I'm excited. I'm fucking excited. We're there Thursday. That tweet just, reminded me of how much I love when occasionally you don't get it very often but

Trent will just get snippy occasionally and it reminded you my favorite Trent tweet of all time which is from 2019 when Jeff Shalkeford wrote not as bitter as this poor Trent guy and then Trent quote tweeted it wrote you came at us you miserable fuck yeah sometimes I get upset like seeing that being like wow Trent's mad that's what I knew I wanted to join that's what I knew I wanted to join I'm sure I'm just for just when you guys were just disrespecting your elders. That's when I said I got to join this for a rocket shit. Right next to Trent and I saw that was like, wow,

Trent Ryan called him a miserable. Sometimes people are just very annoying on Twitter. For the most part, I let it go because I just don't care. And then sometimes I'm like, just fuck you. Oh, someone tweeted at Big Cat the other day.

Big Cat probably works the hardest out of anyone in the world at this point. The guy is like the number one podcast every sleeping at the office watching football. I can't believe he's on those live streams. No matter what stream it is on Saturday. Saturday, Sunday, he's there from morning till night. He's just the work ethic God. And someone tweeted at him that I guess like, it was like five minutes later. Yeah, the streets are at 105 and like Jerry's like beginning of his like best bet of the week. Like like something happened. I guess Josh Allen threw that long touchdown and maybe Jerry had the opposite side of it. And someone goes, glad we could see Jerry's reaction on the stream. And big cat's like, we just got it up. It's 104. Are we not doing enough? for you and he's like, nope. Someone's like, dude, like, go get a life. And the guy respond to him like, no, you should go get a life.

Where were you on January 6? And now it's like a whole fucking thing on Twitter about like all this shit. It's fucking crazy. It is, it's genuinely the worst place on earth. And like I wish that it didn't have, if our job didn't have anything to do with it, I would delete it so fast Twitter. I would delete Twitter so fast and make your head spin. You guys are telling me every single video that's posted of me, I'm the worst.

I'm the ugliest motherfucker who's ever lived. Lurch is 20 times better than me at life. I mean, Emma, Emma sometimes will look over me. Emma will look over me and be like, you are literally just picking a scab. You're clawing at a scab. You know exactly what it's going to be.

You know what the comments are going to be and you're voluntarily going to. Oh, it's insane. And it goes in cycles. People fucking told us to go, people would DM me and tell me to suffocate Lurch in his sleep when he was like, before all this like changing stuff.

Now he's the darling. Now it's like, where the, I can't listen to this shit unless Lurch is on 24 cents. Like, dude, the guy missed 70% of podcast. Anyway, Lurch is also back in the mix, so it doesn't really matter. I can talk shit about him. But, like, it goes in waves, is my point.

Oh, it's a wheel. It's always been a wheel. It's just, it's like, it's like high tide and low tide. It comes in, it gets your fucking ankles wet. And then all of a sudden, it goes back in. You're fine. I've been in the mud for like a month. It's going to be fine.

I would love, hey, everyone listening, if you guys want to start tearing into one of the other three guys on this podcast, that would be fucking sick. They tell me they're going to burn Borrellies down every time I fucking tweet out of it. That is fucked up. It's crazy. Go read a Go read some daily nine comments Dan Yeah

Come on dude The worst is when you get Like someone in your family Or friends that like doesn't understand Oh my mom My mom was crazy But she has to understand That comment culture is just to write

A worse thing than the guy before you Because that's what gets likes in comments Like saying Yo that's a great par By you guys No one likes that The culture in the comments Is to be like

What can I write today That's going to be so destructive to this person's life that other people are going to like that and then I'm going to be elevated that day with 19 likes on my tweet. So that's just what that culture is. So like my uncle that's like, hey, people really hate you guys on like that bar stool. I'm like, no, you actually don't get it. We, we have 800,000 views on this video and you have 13 comments on it. There's a huge difference in numbers there. You get that. Well, it's also think about when you like a video, what do you do? You just send it to your DM it to your friend or you like the video. I'm never commenting

Hey, great video, guys. This was really awesome. It's just never really well done. Restaurant reviews. Who the fuck writes when they had a good meal at a restaurant on a fucking app? Had a really good chicken parm today. Thanks to the great server. Click no chance.

It's more like, I got a piece of hair on my fucking thing. And I want a free chicken parm for the rest of my life. I'm the customer. It is. Comment culture is fascinating in that way. It has just sped off into a place where it is, just say the meanest, most heinous, most offensive, horrible shit, and it'll rise to the top. And then that just creates the next one when, like you're saying, in reality, it's not like that at all.

I got a little anti-Semitism creeping in there. I mean, we're really going to get that. Of course, dude. Welcome to the internet. That's the real stuff, man. That's the real stuff. That's when you know you're really leaving a mark. Of course.

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life in person was Alex Bush in an Uber. outside of my apartment complex last night. And then I got out of that Uber, came up into my apartment, fell asleep, woke up, and am now just on this Zoom with you fine gentlemen. And the man producing that, then went in that Uber to his friend's place, acquired his bags, got another Uber, went to the airport, flew across the country, got to New York, got home, fired up this here link. And it's just now when I woke up, walked right out of my room into my kitchen and jumped on

this thing. He's just across the country working still. So shout out to Alex. Alex, go ahead, Frank. Our production team's on a streak that can't, it's not sustainable right now because we have so many things coming out. There's so many videos. And I know I made a comment last week being like, you can look at any of these other brands and no one's putting out the content that we're putting out. And then they're like, well, go look at your channel. You're putting out like one video a week. It's an hour and a half long. That's the, that's the difference. It's like, And I know that there's other strategies and like, you know, the good, good guys, they put out these nine minute, 10 minute, 20 minute videos and they're able to crank them out. I mean, we heard a little bit about their behind the scenes.

Like, they come with one camera guy and they don't come with an audio guy. And that's just the way they do it. We, our lane is like, we do full golf course reviews. That's like what we've decided to do. We do full course, 18 holes. You can stop it. You can pause it. You can go and watch the whole thing.

You can skip to the end, whatever you want to do. But we're going to put it out there. And that's put a burden on our editing team that they're not able to just like when they get, back from that shoot, like a good good or these other brands, they're able to get back from that shoot and edit that video that night and put it out the next day because it's like, it's nine minutes, 20 minutes. It's very, very quick. There's not much editing because that's just what they do. So I just wanted to give a shout to these guys because what they're doing is fucking insane to be putting out legitimate movies. A scramble is a movie. Oh yeah.

Eight pieces of audio. It's seven cameras. It's eight characters running around. Brendan Jones has to sit there and watch six hours worth of GoPro footage from three different GoPros. So that's six, 12, 18 hours worth of GoPro footage. Like, that's just watching it, not let alone editing it. Whatever, we can suck their dicks all in a lot. It's fucking crazy. I was thinking about it this weekend too because Brendan Jones put up a story of just him watching the MEC game like at his apartment. And I was like, let's let this guy have a life every once in a lot.

I couldn't believe he was watching a game. I know. I felt, I felt such, I almost got emotional. I was like he's watching the mec game at his apartment just hanging like, God, I want him to be able to do that more. And we just throw so much at them that, yeah, they're, I mean, they're incredible. Alex Bush wears a, Alex Bush wears a whoop. And I asked him, I was like, does your whoop just tell you that you're the most dysfunctional, horrible health human being in the history of the world?

He's like, you would not believe how many nights I have 1% recovery. So think about what we have coming up. We've got, we have a tailor-made video coming up, by the way, this week. Remember when we played that game, par? We did like a little bit of horse against, um, um, um, oh my God. How am I forgetting?

My brain fucking sucks. Uh, we played again. Sierra Brooks. Sierra Brooks. Sierra Brooke. We played Sierra Brooke. We played par.

That video is actually coming out on Thursday this week. We're doing another tailor-made video. But on the docket, what we've got coming out is a Colorado avalanche, four-man scramble, another movie. We've got, I think, three more Scotland videos to come out, I believe. So three more Scotland videos, which are legitimate documents. We've got Mirdle. We've got five videos from Mirdle to come out.

We've got five videos from Big Cedar Lodge to come out. Plus, if we throw in another scramble in there, who knows what's going to be happening in the future. Plus, I've got this fixing Frankie thing I got to get out before January 1st, which I don't even talk to me about it because he's like, I genuinely don't even know how we're supposed to do that. Like, where, where is that coming on? So, and breaking 90s still is like our biggest series we have yet. And we're filming tomorrow, which is a good one.

So we'll see if we can fucking just break it, Trent. Just fucking shoot an 88 so these guys can fucking just see that night. I've gotten many DMs and tweets about like, where is breaking 90? Where is it? We are getting back on the grind. The September was a crazy month for us. If you follow us at all on Instagram or whatever,

it's just been a crazy month. And, you know, we were talking about the producers and the editors and how much work they have to do with the, things that we're just, we're just existing in these different places and all these videos are coming out. So now we're going to start, we're going to start filming, breaking 90 again. So it's coming back. Don't worry. Alex Bush sent me, Alex Bush sent me his recovery score from last night. He slept for one hour and 50 minutes from 242 a.m. to 50m. And then I don't feel so bad

because he got a, he got a one hour, 23 minute nap from 6.30 a.m. to 8.15 a. year. Credit to Alex Bush, because he did say last night, we were at the ball having a couple beers watching football and he said this one this one's my own doing he's like I could have just gone home and slept all weekend or like chilled and he's like and I went to Arizona and got after it my buddy that's called having a life that's called having a life you're allowed to have a life uh one thing I talked to jonesy on Friday for a little bit and we're talking about the behind the scenes one thing that was super interesting that he was saying to me that I thought people would find um you know interesting is how the guys that we're hiring to edit um that are by the high

the scenes. We got Kyle back there. We got Alex Bush. That actually having them at it, Max is now gone. Having them now, and it's just too, much from people. It's too hard. Max quit. So shout to Max. Max is gone. He was here for, yeah, he's here for like a month and he's like, this is insane. I can't do this.

Wait, wait. Max is gone. Yeah. Max is gone. All right. See you, Max. Max is out. I think the only time I ever saw him was at the Islander scramble. Yeah. And he came to the Colorado one. That may have been just too much for him. That was a hell of a week. that was a grand your dots if you can't hang i guess yeah exactly you guys threw me into the deep end yeah what bush was or uh what jonesy was telling me was that like actually the way that it's really

important for guys to actually edit videos first for a while so that then before they go on a shoot because then once they go on the shoot they actually understand what you really need and how you need to format it you know uh logistically do it because you know how much of a fucking nightmare it is on the other end that you then are trained to be like, no, no, no, it needs to be filmed this way because I'm the motherfucker that has to edit it. So this whole process, which is being run by Jones, Ian Bush, and this whole behind the scene shit, um, it's fucking nuts. It's nuts. It's nuts what these guys are doing. Uh, so we appreciate it. We're incredibly lucky to have a guy like Brendan Jones. Yeah, it's a lot. It's just a lot. And I think a lot of content's going to be coming out from now until

January. So hopefully everyone's been patient with it. We've done a lot of traveling since July till now. It's all going to be done. It's all filmed. It's on cards. These guys just have to edit it and put it out. So at least you'll have by January, by the time January comes around, you'll be able to go back and just see how ridiculous of a couple months this has been. And the content is phenomenal. You're going to be able to watch all these things. Jonesy was like, uh, Jones he was like with the max hiring process. He's like the one thing I told him at the end was like, I want you to really understand how much this is and you need to be on. And Max, like, totally get it absolutely and then after a month was like I can't fucking do this shit fuck you guys it's a lot man it is a lot it's just a lot speaking of content i want to announce

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random little nuggets in there. Always some random little nuggets. Always nuggets. We're big nuggets, guys. I love that. The money morning wrap. We like golf. A couple of things. Back to to golf since you brought it up. From the Shriners was, I saw Max Homa tied for 20th. He was 14 under par and tied for 20. I thought that's traditional. Like, okay, you play 14 under in year at 20,

T20. Sung J.M. another top 10. He was seventh. Jason Day, I saw a finish tied for eighth. Anytime I see that name up there, I'm blown away because I feel like he's injured and just you don't see him very often, even though he was in 20, what, 15?

15. 15. ever, dude. Mega star in the world of golf. And ever since then, poor guy's just been injured and, you know, he goes through some stuff. We've talked about how there's clearly some dark stuff in there and things that he's been through and his history and all that. So I saw Jason Day up there tied for eighth.

Awesome to see. And then our guy, Sam Ryder, tied for 28th. Not necessarily the highest finish of all time, but he shot 13 under. I feel like if you post in 13 under a PJ Torvent, you're probably going in the right direction, playing well. So shout out to Sam Ryder. Yeah, we had a boosted bet that was Max Homa and Tom. Kim both top 40 and it was the easiest hit of that whole time.

So someone, I saw someone thanking us in their comments. So you're welcome for that one. That was pretty much. They actually thanked us in the comments. Someone, someone tweeted us a, wrong place for that.

A bet slip of their bet, that back foreplay and they said this was just an easy win. So thanks, guys. And thank you for thanking us. It's nice, guys. You can be nice. It's okay. It's okay.

Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods was at Pebble Beach at the Hay, which is, of course, that he helped redesign kind of the new par three. there. Hitting the ball good. He made a bomb of a putt. Can't walk.

This looks like he still can't walk, which is, you know, we're looking for, we're looking for more on that front. I don't know that it's going to come. I think that this might be. Is he not going to heal? You said it,

Ray. Leg not heal. We're getting to a play. I don't think it's physically possible to put muscle on a leg that's made out of rods. I just don't know if that's possible. And Riggs tweeted it about the cart. And I know he'll never do it.

He said he would never, ever do it. They asked him, Would you ever take a cart? He said absolutely not. I would rather not play. Is there going to get to a point where he's like, damn, I just can't walk.

And if I had a card, I could probably finish in the top 10. It's really that simple. If you gave the guy a cart, he could play on tour. Unfortunately, this all speaks to just how bad the leg injury is because I guarantee that guy has explored

every single medical possibility. He just went to France, I think, to meet with like the dolls, doctors or Spain or something. Exactly. So like, it really it brings to light. I mean, we knew it was bad.

You can just see him walking. You're like, that's horrible. But I don't think it's going to heal. Like, it's not going to heal in a way where it's never a noticeable limp. I do not think that's possible. It's crazy because I remember inside the ropes at Southern Hills on Thursday, Tiger T's off the 10th hole. And his warm up routine looked amazing.

And he stands out there and he rips like a hybrid or three wood. Either that five wood or three wood. And then he threw a dart in there with a wedge to a couple feet. he looked perfect. And even through those first several holes, you're like, this guy is the best player in the world. And then he just, by five, six, he starts to like not be able to fucking walk.

And then the next round, I think he posted one under. He makes the cut. And it's like, clearly, if this guy could just get a fucking golf cart, he'd be the best player in the world. Do we know the legality on?

Could Joe Likava go through a crazy workout regimen and just carry Tiger Woods around? Like, I know, I'm not sure there's a rule against it. Can you just carry him? Like, just carried him between shots, set his ass down. Tiger hit a shot. Joe just picked him up and carried him in the next shot. Or even, all right, I love that idea. Or even just a cane. Can you have a

cane out there that is going to take a little bit of pressure off of the leg? Well, I think he can use his club as a cane for sure. And he does that a lot. But when you were asking about if it's going to heal, I had this conversation with some of some Tiger team members. His leg is not the same length that it used to be. When you have all these rods and his, and that's the reason why he was wearing, he's wearing this different shoe, right? He's remember he's wearing the foot joy shoes is because his foot is just at a different angle than it used to be. It's not this. So I don't think he's ever going to walk without that limp because his leg just isn't the same size as his other leg, which the limp, I'll be honest, the limb's fine. Like a limp, you're clearly taking pressure. That doesn't mean like

he's going to fall down. That's just he's limping on purpose, right? Like to take the awkward and the pressure off of it. So the limp, I don't even worry about that much. It's like after the swing, he had the one was after the swing and he like almost fell over and you're like that just doesn't that's not that's not great and it's been a year and a half I totally get it um and it's he he can play the golf shots he still got the mental game he made two cuts out of three majors played in that's outrageous um so clearly he's not going anywhere which I like but we'd like to see that puppy heal more I'm sure he would too um but yeah that's I mean I don't know how you don't have that takeaway from those videos of like the guy can still play great golf would like to see him be walking.

Maybe a segue? Maybe get him a segue? Take a card. Who cares? Take a cart. Take a fuck. He won't do it, Frankie. He won't do it.

I think he will. I think things change. I don't know, man. He's so obsessed with look with competition and with everything being fair. And you just know that he looks with such disdain at somebody who takes a shortcut. And is his mind taking a cart, that's not competing. That's not the way that Earl wanted him to do it. I just don't think he'll do it.

I think that's right. It's sad, but it's true. Fucking golf car. I mean, imagine if he took a golf cart, like a hero where it's a, where it's an exhibition and he finished his like sixth. I mean, the world would go crazy. I understand that walking is part of the sport, but at the end of the day, it's about the golf shot.

Just get there. Is it right? I mean, like just get them to the, it's about the golf shot. It's really not. Like, get him to the golf shot. I don't think they show a lot of guys walking around on TV. It's like they talk to him when they're about to hit a fucking golf. What is this competition going to say to him?

Like, oh, that's not fair. he got like it's like dude the guy's playing with one leg so if you want to talk about fair like this is actually leveling the the playing field so i i doubt anyone would come out and say tiger woods is not doing this the right way i think you get kicked off the planet you know like dave portn i will be like this guy won the masters with a cart that's like who else has done that and you'll have to deal with that shit but i would love that he won the max day versus tiger would be unbelievable just rolling up the 18th fairway hey three shot lead hey I'm winning another one 16

like people are diving out of the way he's like trying to park it next to the green this happens all the time in sports guys take cards before John Daly takes a cart and Babe Ruth used to have a guy run to first base for him at the end of his career yeah I see I can't see it happening I will say if he ever takes a cart in a major that is the clearest answer about like how badly does he want to be Jack Nicholas's record if he's out there in a cart he's like I'm getting to 19 whether you you guys like it or not. There are guys who have seen pictures of his leg, other tour players, and their face

just goes ashen. It goes completely white. They're like, if you saw his leg and the fact that he's still playing is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Right. If we weren't the host of a golf podcast, a normal person would say he just probably shouldn't play golf anymore. No, please.

What else he's going to do? I'm not saying that. He plays COD. He loves COD. He needs the money, bro. Let's get him in our COD group. If you're listening to this, Tiger, tell me what's the, you're going to, to get and let's sync up let's play a little fucking i'll get you a golf cart we'll get you carried

around talk to joe somebody's just got to figure that part out it's preposterous so the guy can hit the shots clearly i think even zalotoritz said it like get this guy fucking golf cart he'll be the best player in the world again and the ratings will go up we'll have some of the best moments of all time having said that i do think him driving up i can't vision him envision him driving up the 18 at augustine national you do wish in this scenario you do wish he was a little older right if he was 53 and it's like he's going to take a cart and it's like all right that makes sense he's getting older now but he's 45 and it's like jack jacked he's clearly shoulders and arms look great and he's just and he's just in a golf car clearly that like he still hammers dumbbells just hammers oh dude his arms

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Safe. Dude, I when we got back from Big Cedar, I went straight to upstate New York. I flew right to Syracuse and I played this course that had the Turning Stone Championship there and when you walk into their their clubhouse it's just a Tiger Woods like Memorial essentially DJ won there Cochre one there but then like all pictures of Tiger House too when Tiger shows up it's like looking at those pictures it's just this fucking guy man like you just really get the sense of like he showed up to this course once in a tournament or whatever and they're just like we can't believe he walked these ground. And even for me, walking those grounds.

Remember we were at the classic at the Boston, what was it? Walliston. He won a US junior there and there were shrines all over the place. The guy is once in the lifetime. Right. If he walks the grounds of your golf course, that's the thing that you talk about. At the Wyndham, dude, at the Wyndham Championship in their Wyndham house, they had all the pictures of the champions.

And then the biggest picture, which was like a three-parter, you know, was just Tiger Woods playing in the tournament. He didn't win the tournament. He just played in the tournament. They're like, that's their biggest picture. this course and I get out of the car. It's like early 8 o'clock in the morning. And the guy, Eric, comes out to greet me. He's like, what's up, Frankie?

I'm like, ah, I'm like, Atten You golf course. What a place. And he's like, it's actually a duneo. So you've been saying it wrong on your podcast for like three times. But I actually said at and yote. I was like, dude, atoniot. What a place. He's like, you're the most dumbest American.

The way you just said that, he's like, you're in like whatever nation this is. Like, you have to have respect for the names of it. It's called Adunio. I was like, well, why would it fucking be at the D? So, adunio, really cool spot. I played it from 7,100 yards. Why? Just because, first of all, there was a huge gap.

It was like 7,100 and then like 65. And I just wanted, I don't know, I just felt cool to like try and play. We've been playing a lot of golf. We played in Big Cedar. We were doing a little bit like 6,500, 6,600, whatever that mix was. And I just thought, I don't know. Let's see how my game matches up to something that's like a beast. And it's a fucking beast.

How'd you play? What'd you shoot? I shot like an 80 We ended up skipping the 17th hole Because the rain was coming in sideways And we went straight to 18 and finish it up So if I give myself like a bogey there Because I wasn't playing great

I probably shot 85 But it was a beast man You're talking You know what it is with those Plus 7,000 golf courses It's the par fours that are like 480 475 that are like Every one of them

Right You could probably find If you miss a fair way You got 230 from the rough It's just you feel like It's an uphill battle all day long And then you finally get to a part three, you're like, finally. Like, part five

is a godsend on a 7,000 yard hole because you're like, I'm getting on the screen on three, regardless. It's a three shot hole. I have a 120 shot in it, the most of my third shot. I'm going to be fine. You get up to one of these 480 part 4s, you feel like the world's collapsing. And then you're like a part 3, fine, 240. Yeah. But what are we talking about? I thought you were going to say it's the par 3s, because for me,

when I play one of these championship courses and you play it from the back teas, it's hitting these four irons and these hybrids into greens that are protected. It's not just like you can run it up. It's like there's a bunker short left. There's a bunker long right. And you just got a absolutely nut of a hybrid to have any sort of chance. I too played golf on Friday at a very great golf course, wing foot.

I played the east course, which is the West is the championship course that has all the U.S. opens. The east course might be the most fun golf course I've ever played. That course starts four, five, three, five three. So your first five holes, you play one par four. I played great, kind of collapsed a little bit toward the end. but what a place playing golf for fun too now that i've been doing it with you guys playing golf with your buddies when you're not on camera is an unbelievable experience oh it's fantastic it's so nice totally it's like i hit a bad shot and i don't have a fucking drone in my face asking me what

happened how good is this you know what else i got to get better at because i'm trying to figure out this is like the snobiest golf bullshit that i've ever had to deal with but i campaign probs no no i would never think that i'd like even care about this stuff but the different types of grass that we're playing now. We travel around the world and we're playing different like landscapes within day to day. So we were in big cedar on Thursday playing golf and then on Friday I'm in upstate New York and just hitting those ranges and like hitting the fairway shots is so much different. And I don't know the difference. You know, I don't know the names. I don't know the soil. I don't know grain. I don't know anything. I'm just looking at it being like this is different.

The greens are different. Yeah, the stuff we were playing a big cedar, the fairways are Zoya. So they were super spongy I love those Maybe my favorite That's my favorite grass I think in the world Yeah it's not great That stuff's great

It's not great to put off it Yeah it's not great to put off the green But it's great chipping And I'm Zoya number one I would imagine that where you played in New York Might have been like bent or something That's really really Yeah I think it was

That's really like barren And it's a lot harder to hit the chip shots You can chunk it a lot easier Yeah so it's different It's a real challenge Well in that Bermuda like down in like The Piner's area That like tangley

wispy sort of like Bermuda stuff is really hard to chip off of when you come from Zoya because Zoya it's almost like you want to be a little um you want to be I guess flatter and like then you then you feel because you could brush it off of there whereas the Bermuda stuff down in Pinehurst and all that you got to be kind of like steep because if you don't catch it uh you you literally like any inch that you're off with that leading edge just just gonna dig yeah well it goes fucking nowhere. It's easy to blade it. So you're right, Frankie. I think that is a huge difference. And then it's, I think that kind of helps us a little bit understand like Kizz like refuses to play

on Poanna basically. And he's like, I'm not going to play the fucking West Coast swing as much as I can avoid it because he doesn't like that grass. He's more of a Bermuda guy. And that shit like determines guys schedules, which makes a lot of sense. So we've got Bermuda in the southeast. Yeah, Bermuda is in Louisiana Midwest. Yeah. You got a lot of pola in the on the west coast, especially greens and a lot of Poa also in the East Coast. Bent is like a different type of grass that they use for greens a lot. There's Kakuya in the West Coast as well, like Riviera's all Kukuya. That's a little bit more like Zoya.

So there's a lot of differences. And you'll see guys will change wedges a lot. They'll change their bounce. You know, sometimes they'll use more bounce or less bounce depending on the grass. It's a real thing. This game is so hard. So hard. And like that's why I thought like a fucking asshole say it because like you shooting an 85,

how the fuck does that even matters hit the ball? but I guess because I'm getting a little bit better I'm starting to hit the ground more taking divvets and stuff you just feel it's different it's like a different attack at the ball it's different release it's just everything's kind of just even just standing on the T-boxes like in in the Ozarks it was squishy and it felt like you were standing

on like I don't know like a like you're about to jump on a trampoline and now you stand on in New York and it's rock hard and you're like wow everything just feels more just aggressive up here yeah yeah and you get like special the sandhills down there with the it's like you get uh you know you you take a divot and it kind of just like disintegrates and it's like small and kind of you can't even replace it and then on the zoisia that we were playing in missouri it's like you get a beaver pelt every time like no matter fucking what exactly and it is it's a huge difference uh grass i mean fucking grass that's why some of the best players in the world some of the best iron players calling morikawa tiger woods Justin thomas they just clip the ball off the grass because then it's just not a lot of variance right if you're just clipping it off the top of it and you're not really, you don't care about how the club interacts with the ground because you're just clipping the top of the grass.

Dude, I watched a couple of those tiger wedge shots. Like he didn't even really take a divot. There's no divot. There's no divot. Every wedge shot I hit, it's just a massive problem with the ground. And I like that, that guy's doing it so differently than I am and that's got to be a problem for me. That's how they can get to back pins and not have it to spin off the front. We were having troubles with that, especially at Ozarks National Rigs, you and I,

where anything that was back pinned, especially if it's into the win, We just aren't good enough really to take spin off the wedges, but that's how they do it is they clip it like that. Dude, this one that he hit on the second shot, like literally maybe a half of an inch of like a little clip divot. And that was the only thing that Taylor made tweeted out from him. And I watched that a million times.

It was like, how do you do that without just blading it over the green eight miles? So, yeah, a different skill level for sure. From the gallery, I got a couple from the galleries for us to get to. I'm going to start with my pal Drew. This is, we're going to call this the CCM cross-country mortgage last question.

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to underwriting approval. www. nmLSs consumer access.org. Thank you to cross-country mortgage. My friend Drew had a great debate that we were having yesterday on this little shuttle that we took to the football game, which was how many yards out could you start on each hole and win the masters? And the whole point was he was like my mom, for example, doesn't even play golf. but if you started her six inches away from the cup on every hole, she could win the masters. Now, if you started her from 7,600 yards, she's not going to win. So somewhere in there is the cutoff.

And the weird debate, he's like, if you started every hole 50 yards out, could you win? And I was like, yes, I think so. And he was like, I don't know if you could because you blade a couple over. He may start making a couple doubles. We're kind of having this debate. I think I could even go to like every single hole. I think I could go to 125 yards or so

and still win 150 is what came into my head. If you gave me like a nice solid nine iron into every single hole, I like my chances. But you're right. It's about avoiding the blade over the green and you make a nine.

Right. But I even said that, I was like even on the 11th hole, if I'm starting from 100 yards out and I blade went over the green into the water. Now I'm dropping. Well, I'm dropping.

I'm hitting three. I'm still chipping onto the green. And like, but are you? hitting my third and I have a put, but I'm saying like even that's worst case scenario. That's like you hit the worst shot in the world. And I'm still like have a chance to get out of there with a bogey, even even make a double. You're going to have part five's where I hit a good shot and like putt it okay and two putt and make Eagles.

So it's like I was so I thought 50 was a little too low. But anyways, it was a very interesting discussion. Like if you literally started at say if I started the masters every hole at Augusta from 125 yards out, would I win the masters? I think I'd win the masters pretty easily. as much as I love my 110 shot, that's my most consistent thing. Pitching wedge. Pitching wedge. I love that. I can hit it better than any other club, any other shot in my bag. I do think I got to start on the green. I don't think you got to be putting. I think I got to be putting. I think I just don't. I mean, the wedge is those high toe wedges that Taylor made semi. I love those. I love them. The 52, the 56, the 60. Those are great. And I can hit them really well. Consistently, it could get tricky. So I think you got to start. me on the putting green. I think you have to. I almost wonder if it'd be harder or less likely. Like if you started on every hole from the

farthest point on the green from that pin, if that would even be harder than like just starting 50 yards out. I think that's hard. I think that's way harder. At Augusta, at Augusta, at Augusta for sure. Well, there are some putt in. Give me an 82 yard chip shot. That's that's where I've been dialed in recently. 80 yards on every single hole. I think I'm getting that thing on with a really, really good chance to make a birdie. Is that your little dead arm 54 you've been using? Yeah. Yeah, I like that shot.

Give me that all day long. I just think I find myself in really good situations to make birdies on a lot of holes. And at worst, I'm three putting for a par. That shot is the difference between five strokes and your handicap change. Literally, I think that shot right there just saves you five shots. We played how many rounds in Big Cedar? I didn't mess up that shot once. Like, I don't do that any.

I don't chunk it anymore. That used to be an extra shot every hole almost that I was in that position. Whenever I found myself around 100, from 40 yards to 100, I was adding a stroke to every single hole. Because I was always chunking or blading. I remember, so, Dan, you've probably done this. But when I was, I think it was at Pinehurst. I was there and there was when nobody was fucking there. So we were trying to find shit to do every day.

And we did like a wedge charting. And they basically had me, you know, take your 60 degree. and then hit it 100%, hit it 80%, hit it 50%. And let's just, if we had like a full swing, you know, monitor and it was like, let's just track, hit three of them each way. So hit three of them 100%, three of them 80%, three of them 60%. And we're just going to chart how far they go and how accurately, you know, like how consistent, I guess.

And it was amazing how like hitting my, hitting any club 60 to 80%, I guess, I was significantly more consistent than hitting any of them 100%, 100%. So it was like, you literally should never, if my, let's say my 60 degree goes 90 yards, but my 75%, 56 degree goes 90 yards. It's like you should literally hit that 56 degree, 100% of the time hit it 75%. And it was super, super interesting how clear it was. Yeah, I mean, it's eye opening.

It's like ego gets in the way, right? Because so many times you're playing with someone and they say, oh, instead of hitting the 9-9 year, I'm going to hit the half pitching wedge. And they hit it to 12 feet and you look at them and you're thinking, why don't you just do this every time? Well, it's because they don't want to admit to themselves that pitching wedge maybe isn't 135. Maybe it's 125.

But the only club that you're really trying to max distance is driver. And if you start thinking about golf that way, it will change your club selection. That is really interesting. So true. It is ego. It's like, it's all ego. It's like, oh, I hit my eight iron 160. I'm not going to hit fucking seven.

No way. Right. Right. And you're like, what are you doing? Who cares? Who cares? Also, nobody gives a fuck. Nobody.

If you hit it close, then that's sick. Right. That's way sicker than being like, I can hit this club this far. Way sicker. And the sickest thing in the world. Right. Do it out. Why are we doing this stupid shit?

Fucking. And if you got that big of an ego about it, just lie. Just lie. Just lie. Just fucking lie. Just make your clubs. Just do it. Who cares?

Yeah, I don't go. The scores are the only things that people sort of care about. And even that, nobody cares. Maybe when we go, we get fit and get new set of clubs, I'm going to have Taylor roommate just write different numbers of my clubs. It's a good idea. Just give them one shot off. Yeah.

Just call my time there and eight iron. Why don't we just write down on it? Trotty was telling us that, I mean, Rory's wedges, he just bends them a little, little differently. So whatever they say on there is not what they are anyway. Better I've gotten this year, the more I haven't cared about what club I'm using. So I've been very just like okay with hitting a six iron from 160 if I feel like that's like what is happening that day.

I just feel like contact has been so much more consistent for me that I know what the right club is. As opposed to when I was playing worse, it was always the same number, same club on every single hole. And I'd swing out of my shoes to try and get it there because that was like my only saving grace on if my game was good or not. I could hit a seven iron, 175 yards. And I was going to do that every single time regardless. Now I know like how it's coming off the club or what my swing is doing that day where it could be a five iron from 175 yards. I've done that a lot of times. It could be a four iron if the wind is calling for it.

Like it just doesn't matter to me anymore. I just need to get it on the green. That's all I care about is getting it on the green. Getting it on the green is great. What a feeling. What a feeling. Walk in the air and it just lands on the green and then just stays on the green. And you get to go up there with only your putter.

Ah, what a feeling. Trent uses a driver on some fucking holes. Well, big hybrid. We'll blur those out. I can't wait for people to see. That was funny. Lurch is like a half driver swing. That thing is a little blunt.

Oh, man. That thing is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, but it goes way further than me. I'm swinging out of my shoes. I got a 10-figure grip. I'm trying to get it down there. He descels and swings like 20%. And it goes right down the mill.

It's like he feels bad about hitting the ball. Like he just wants to caress it. It goes like, how far do you think it goes? Like, 230? 240. He hit one down wind that I roasted freewood and it went a good 20 past my three wood.

So it probably went like 290. It looks so ridiculous. It looks so slow. Yeah. It's actually laugh out, laugh funny. He was doing it a few times. And then the last time he did, I think, was the most pronounced slow one.

And we all just started laughing on the T-box. And Brendan was in the fairway. And he was looking at the drone. And he calls, he's like, what the fuck was that? It's good. Bush. Bush said he thought the camera settings were wrong. And he was standing right next to Lurch because they get like choppy.

You know, sometimes. He's like, dude, I thought I switched settings on the camera. It's crazy. Oh, what a trip that was. That was amazing. Big Cedars incredible. Amazing. You know, you kind of when you're in the moment,

I mean, yeah, we were excited. We hiked it up in the last podcast. But you're, you know, even like after you see the view from the cottage the first time, you kind of like get numb to it a little bit, whatever. Now that I'm back and assimilating in normal society, people that saw that are like, dude, is that big cedar place as cool as it looked? And I'm like, you know what? Yeah.

It's fucking unbelievable. I do find that I have more of an affinity for that type of landscape than almost any other landscape. Dude, we're mountain guys. We're mountain guys. Yeah, like beaches are great. I guess lakes are sort of in the similar category as big cedar but like I just like that landscape like when I woke up in the morning got a cup of coffee and walked out on the patio

I thought to myself this is what I like this is yeah but you can walk out you could walk out of your hotel at fucking at Pebble Beach and be like the same thing on a beautiful day you'd be like holy shit I'm with you but I do think I feel something in my loins when I'm at a place like that where it's just a little bit it's just a personal preference like yeah I always feed the soul the Mountains feed the soul. Pellble beaches as beautiful as you can get. Monterey might be the best stretch of land in the world. But when I go to a place like Big Cedar and I walk out there,

I just like that shit for whatever reason. I'm with you. I love the beach. I'm not, I'm not shitting on the beach, but I'm with you. I get a little bit more of a tingle when I see mountains. I just love mountains.

I think they're awesome. They're cool. They're almost like, they're pretty mesmerizing just that there's just tectonic plates or whatever the fuck coming together and just spit those puppies up like half an inch every year for the last 100 million years and now we have giant mountains. It's fucking crazy. You're like, what? So yeah, I'm a mountain guy

too. And that terrain down there, the Ozarks, it's kind of giant hills more than it's like mountain, but it does have that rugged, the side of the rocks that they kind of blast and they create these waterfalls and these steep cliffs. And it's like, it's fucking spectacular. Bison dogs. Bison dogs. Oh, boy. How good is bison? Why is bison? It must be harder to grow or something

because I feel like bison is just better. than beef. I don't know. It's certainly way different. It feels like it's a growing, grow, or raise, I'm a city boy. It just feels like we should be having bison hot dogs.

Like we saw them too. They were running across our first tee and they were running towards the halfway house and we were like, oh boy. There's some more bison dogs coming. Yeah. It does just an amazing trip. Three amazing golf courses,

two par three courses, two par three courses. Yeah. Which is great. I mean, there's nothing better than 36, is a lot. Sometimes after a brown of 18 holes of golf, all you want to do is play a part three quarters. You want to dig around at the cradle at the preserve. Well, there's two at them, two of them

at Big Cedar Lodge. I think I'm officially out on 36 holes. Just in general. Yep. I used to be in. I used to be as in as it gets. I used to be every trip that we do. Let's hammer it at least a couple days. Let's go 36. I think I'm out. I think I got 18 good holes in me in terms of just being locked in and enjoying it. I got a nice lunch and a beer. or truly hard seltzer, and then I've got an emergency nine or a par three spin. I don't think I got 36 holes at me anymore.

I think I'm out. That's 35. This is 35. Yeah, this is, you know, this is getting old, you know? You just, this is 35.

You got to just start enjoying it more than, I mean, 36 is enjoyable when you got youth on your side when you're young and spry, but 18 and then a good patio sit. That's where it's at now. Yeah, because if you play well, if you play well,

you don't want to kind of ruin the afternoon by playing shitty in the afternoon. afternoon round. And if you play shitty, then there's the chance that you continue to play shitty. And then you, for nine hours, you're on the golf course frustrated. Yep. And there's going to be days when you're on a trip. If you're at like a band in or something that has so many golf courses, there's going to be days where you're finishing up that 18. You got that energy level. You could do 36. But I'm out on like planning to do 36. I'm out on that. It's fucking too much. You don't get any sleep usually because if you do enough, if you're playing 36 holes, that means the night before you

have nothing to do but look forward to playing 36 holes, which means you're drinking and you're hanging out. You're going to wake up. You're going to be fucking exhausted. You're going to battle through. Oh, oh, what a nightmare.

I can't do that. The best part of the big cedar was maybe the night where we just canceled all of our plans. How good was that? How good was that? We were sitting with Matt McQuarrie on the back forest. It was great. That lake fucked me up though. I'm on a Z-pack and a nose steroids.

You're sick. God, dude. What are you nuts? Yeah, dude. You took two water, bottles full of that stuff. You can't do that. There was one point where when I was doing all that lake bullshit, it went all the way up my nose into my like sinuses and just sat there for a little bit. And I remember sitting there fucking

floating being like, I got to get that out now. I tried to blow it out. And then I almost puked. And it just sat in there. And who knows? Tadpoles and algae and germs all floating around in there. I haven't been able to hear correctly in like three days. So I got a little bit of an antibiotic and a steroids shooting up my nose the last three days. I feel.