Fore Play - Tiger Speaks

Episode Date: December 2, 2021

A Tiger presser. A new Golf Digest interview. Dad jokes. Glimpses into his future. Death stares at reporters. We respond to all the new Tiger material and welcome Danny Rapaport who, much like a few of our own, completely froze up when his ass was on the jackpot in the Tiger press conference.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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the last podcast, at the worst time ever. That's correct. And once we logged off, he did a 45 minutes sit down with, with was a golf digest and then then he has a full press release i mean it's it's it's stunning when we recorded but now we get to talk about it today so yeah it feels like christmas morning it does you're right uh so golf digest he did do i saw like a 30 or 45 minute exclusive um zoom call with golf digest he for people who don't understand he has a content contract with golf digest yeah and so like when we even when we're at the president's cup and we got our

little fist pump video, there are outlets like Golf Digest and I believe Golf TV who have, literally they are in financial agreements to get exclusive Tiger Woods content. So when we get content or any interactions or interviews or chats or fist bumps with Tiger Woods, they are not happy about that and they have gone to war against that. So when they, you know, when Golf Digest pops up and good for them. Like if they have the money and they have the resource and they can sign Tiger Woods to an exclusive content contract, great for them. But when he pops up and he does an exclusive with them. That is in no way surprising because obviously he has a deal with them. That's why they release all these videos of him on the range and playing holes with people and doing different stuff

because they have a contract with them. Having said that, you know, the interview that came out with them and the press conference and the things that he said, we obviously are going to pick apart piece by piece and go through it and discuss what we may think about it. But Frankie is correct. You know, our schedules are all over the place. We're filming stuff. We're watching different shows. We do different things. You guys in the office, me filming videos out here. on the golf course, lurches sling in drones. So when we record bang out a two-hour podcast, hour and a half podcast, think we did a great job, wrap it up.

And then over the next two, three hours, the whole internet's just breaking down Tiger Woods quotes from his fucking interview. And that was tough timing for us. It sort of worked out for us, though, because we got in all of our predictions of what we thought was going to happen during the press conference. And I got to say, we've clearly watched a lot of these over the years because we nailed almost all of it

from the press conference, almost all of it. Yeah, but we didn't see that pre-release coming of information that like... No. You know, that like... Like, we were talking about how's he going to open it? How's he going to start this? And he like, like, you know, sneakly leaked information right like the day before after the announcement was made. So strategy up the ass for old Tiger Woods.

But, I mean, everybody saw something was coming. Yeah, he essentially laid the groundwork for his press conference. Right. He, with this little leak with Golf Digest, who I saw some people were upset that like Golf Digest didn't ask in that interview anything at all about the crash or what he remembered, which again, they're like, they're more hardcore team Tiger than Sheriff Villan Away. I mean, that guy, again, who's the first on the scene, who did the whole gamut, who protected him, golf Digest is not going to ask anything.

That'd be like asking if we were going to grill Tiger Woods on what happened of the accident. Of course we wouldn't grill Tiger Woods on what happened on the accident. that's not what we do. And there's a bunch of blue check marks in the golf Twitter version of blue check marks that are rattled that Tiger yesterday was kind of let off the hook with all the answers about the police report. His answer was good and pointed. It was just like go read the report. His answer was all of those answers have been answered in the investigation so you can read about all that there in the police report, which is of course 100% false. The answers are not in there.

And nobody knows how you just go from 40 degree or 40 mile an hour speed limit area to 80 miles an hour and cross the road and drive off a clip. People do not know the answer to that. But again, there's a lot of folks who treat the Gulf media like they are on Capitol Hill and that the investigative journalism that they inquire about and that they get is somehow incredibly impactful to the future of policy and the earth. when in reality that's just not the case. That's clearly not the case with Golf Digest. That clearly would not be the case with the old four-play crew. If we got 30 minutes of Tiger Woods, we ain't wasting it, grilling him on that

because we know what he's going to say is what he just fucking said. So people could be maybe upset that Tiger isn't revealing more. They could feel that he owes it because he put other people in danger. That's fine. But to be mad at the other golf journalist, I think, is a little bit ridiculous because you know that motherfucker ain't going to say anything more than what he said. no nothing's coming out and like i do love the response of hey all this information is in the report

and there's nothing in the report and then it's like wink wink remove him from the room so i mean i love i love the angle of tiger with that i mean he's obviously one of the smartest and certainly most calculated human beings in the world that's ever been created on this planet so that answer is maybe as good as it gets so when there's just nothing it's like here's a blank piece of paper the answers are on there, go leave. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's what he did. He said that all the answer, it'd be like, if I said, like,

all the answers from my whole life were just on this box. You guys would be like, well, no, I mean. But you can't ask, you cannot ask that follow-up questions. He's not part of it. Because you've already been removed from the room. You've already right. It's waiting twice and he's gone.

Right. It's over. It's like, next question. You'd just be like, well, I mean, all right, yeah, like, how How's your game feeling? I got, I don't know. Even the way he started the golf digest interview, which it was just a clip of him walking into the room, was as calculated as it gets. The dog walks in first, and then he just wanders in clearly saying, my leg is mostly fine. I can walk without crutches.

And then he sits down and it cuts to the interview starting. There was no reason for that clip to be in there other than to say, I'm fine. Right. There was a jump cut, which threw me off so bad. I'm like, why the fuck did they just do that? And then after watching the 40-minute interview, I'm like, they absolutely did that just to show him walking in with his dog. Like, he's in a happy place.

He's the father figure with the dog running around, chewing on the toy. Everything's so calculated. It's scary. No one's ever started a Zoom interview in the history of Zoom walking in. Like, you're just at your station. Like, you don't, or WebEx, whatever we're calling it. Like, nobody has ever done that before. And he just, it was almost, he almost went as far.

to be like, oh, I didn't see you there. I guess we're going to do a Zoom. Oh, that's now. We're doing that interview now. All right. I'll sit down and talk to you for 30 minutes. It was great. I mean, it was great.

And we, to a T, we pegged a lot of the things. I mean, you can almost go through. It's almost like one of those module homes or something where it's just, we nailed it piece by piece all the way through the entire interview. The dad joke that he went with was. pretty much on par in the ballpark of where we were at, where he dropped the old, I knew the home I had built was really big.

I really didn't realize how big it was until I had to walk in in crutches all the time and just gave a little laugh and the room was kind of like, is that what we're doing? Are we laughing at this? And it was just, well, then he closed it out with like,

the end was hello biceps too. It's like this like stupid joke at the end, but it's him giggling and nobody else. Potentially the least relatable. joke in the history of jokes being like yeah i built such a massive house that when i after i got in my single car accident where i went tumbling off the hill and i fucked my right leg up and then when i was recovering in my home my home was so big that when i crutched around i ended up getting tired and my triceps got really big and then he threw that smile gave a couple beats and everybody was like

what do we do i don't know what to do right now it was just like we thought he laughed he laughed maniacally in the got digest one talking about his triceps. He goes my tries got really jacked. I'm not so jacked right now but my tries got really jacked. He goes, you wouldn't believe how jacked. I mean, how big were his tries? That's what I want to know, because his arms are fucking

huge right now. Huge, huge. How big were his tries when he was crutching around? Because he said, you wouldn't believe how jacked I was. Also, the pregnancy joke was a miss. The maternity leave. Yeah. The maternity leave. He's like, I just got back off my

nine-month maternity leave, that was tough. And everyone's, and she's like, uh, yeah, it's, yeah, it's not the same thing as like birthing a child. Well, his picture, his picture for his biceps. It was like a high school football like picture where you like roll up and you have the, you know, the huge like neck collar behind and you're like showing off your arms.

It was, I mean, the whole thing was preposterous. I, I think, yeah, he had multiple jokes in there. He also said something about like, yeah. Well,

I was going to say, I think we called it even to the point of we predicted his big arms, because we said he has a lower body injury. He's not going to be able to do cardio workouts or get on the treadmill or do whatever. He is just going to sit there immobile and do curls. That's what he's going to do. And he clearly did that. There are pictures like screenshots and stills from the press conference that I thought were photoshopped

because he just looks like somebody pumped him up with a pump and put him out there. His arms are massive. He first sits there too and he kind of sits like this. where like you almost all the blood flow goes to your biceps. So it's like the only thing the camera could see was his face and his biceps. And they were staged in a way where they looked. You know, it was it was the gun show. I mean, it was just pure arms.

And Tiger's face was the entire thing that you could see. And again, we did kind of predict that. His jokes, do you think the jokes? Do you think with his little PR team that he sits around and he comes in with like a handful? And he's like, all right, here's a couple I think are going to play. And then they have to react to like, which ones he should go with. Because like the maternity leave one,

he had to have had that pre-plan. The crutches one, he had to have had it pre-planned. It was like, because last time the whole thing was the, I was the YouTube golfer to my kids. That was like the one that he played over and over again for two years. He had to have had this like ready to rock.

And I wonder what he thinks when it doesn't land. Like, is he conscious enough to know that they don't land? I think he is because he, in the Golf Digest interview, he did the maternity leave joke. And then you'll notice that it was not in the press conference. So I think he realized that, oh, that one, that one didn't hit as well. But he felt like the crutches one did.

He's like, all right, I'm taking that one to the main stage. The digest one was, yeah, he went to like a comedy seller and like played that one a little bit. He's working it out. He's working out his material. And he's like, all right, that crutches one. I feel like that one, boy, I feel like that one crushed. So I'm going to take that one to the press conference. And I really think he used that as like a testing ground for his jokes.

You know what I think the real problem is and the one that we're not seeing is that Tiger Woods, the actual Tiger Woods, is a dirty shit talking, loves to just sling it with the boys, will absolutely just like destroy all of his buddies and say the most funny, fucked up things as possible because that's how he is and we've heard stories about him saying that. And the problem is when he is Tiger Woods addressing the nation about the worst moments in his life, we're not ever going to see that. So it's almost like a dumbed down version of Tiger. How can he keep that humor going? Because that's a part of his personality. But then also how can he be the role model Tiger and, you know, the face of golf and the face of Nike and all this stuff? How can he do both? And it comes out super corny and dad joky.

But once he steps off that stage, he's not talking about the pregnancy and the maternity leave and his triceps. He's saying much more fucked up hilarious shit to his buddies and Robbie Mac and all the guys in his. his corner and they're like this guy's the man but yeah obviously everyone else thinks he's this corny guy that can't get a joke off so i really do think that he suffers from having to play it really safe and cool on during the interview well and he alluded to that too because they somebody asked him you know what's the thing you miss most like being away from the game and he's said this answer before where he's like i miss ribbon the guys i miss being in the locker room with the boys and and talk and he's like you can only do so much over text but when you're in person

you see these people that you know so well usually go to dinners with all that stuff It's fun to rib them and make jokes. And I agree with you that just when you get in front of a camera and you are addressing almost everyone in the world, certainly everyone in the golf world, you're just going to tone it down a little bit because you're, you're Tiger Woods. You can't make dirty jokes in front of the world. And I think he has a massive distrust of the media. Absolutely. So I think, right, like Rory McElroy, who's unbelievably good at this and goes out and it's just candid and raw and real. like he, A, grew up with a dramatically different childhood and relationship with his parents.

I mean, if you remember from the HBO doc that, you know, they talk about how Earl, he got to Nike, Nike was like, all right, we're going to have our PR team really work with Tiger on how to speak to the media and do press conferences. Earl was like, I've already trained him for that. So literally from a young age, he was like told, don't give the media shit, don't trust the media. And then through his scandals, through all kinds of different tales, when we read that book with Tiger Woods, face on the front of it. When we read that one, there's a little tail. What's it called? Tiger Woods, I think. Yeah, it was about Tiger Woods. It's called Tiger Woods. Amazing title of the book. When we read that one and he did, I think it was the Thai magazine special with that guy that like rode in the

limo with him and then completely dogged him and like basically published every quote that he said of the dirty jokes and all that. I think that has just built such a hardened wall around Tiger and his relationship with the media that he, he genuinely believes it's better for him to go into these press conferences and go into PR robot dad joke mode and not be even close to who he actually is, which sucks because I actually think he would come off significantly better if he was just himself. Like we all know, like we've all read shit and watched stuff, Tiger. We know what you're really like and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Then he comes out and he does the whole maternity leave thing. It's almost like just, it's kind of laugh out loud funny at how not.

real it is. It's just not, it's a facade. I think if we were on his team and that side and we were on the other side of the podium as he's about to walk out, the goal is to just get through it and let's get to the other side of the podium and come back here and then we can be Tiger and the boys. Like, I think it's just he's so big and so otherworldly. He's on such another level that he just has to go out there and just get through the 40 minutes. Answer the questions, ruin Daniel Rapoport's brain and then just fucking finish the interview and then go back to just living Tiger Woods' life. Daniel Rappaport, I know Trent's been there.

I know we've all kind of been there in a sense. I didn't say a word. I mean, no one has ever had their brain turned off more by a higher power, a higher being than Daniel Rappaport. Asked the question, Tiger stared right into his fucking eyeball and then it just erased everything. Everything in his brain just got erased like it was that pen from men in black. Just look into the light,

and I'm just going to wipe. your fucking life. You're not even going to remember who your mother is after it almost makes you think did somebody like hit hit him with a men in backpan? Because he had nothing after he asked a pretty hard question about tigers last year. And then his follow up was just crickets. Can we put that audio in please? Can we put that audio in right here so people who haven't seen it know what we're talking about? How realistic was amputation as an option? What's that? How realistic was amputation? Like was that? Was that? Really?

Yeah, he was on the table. And my other question is if, sorry. Brian on the right. But we cannot be that surprised by that interaction because we've been there. We've looked into those eyes and they are that men and black mind wiping device. Frankie, when we met Tiger, you didn't say a word. Nothing came out of your mouth. When Tiger looked directly at me, when Tiger Woods for the first.

time in his life got me in his sights and asked me a question, I couldn't think of anything. I was, I could have I could have spoke fluent Spanish closer to answering the question that he gave to me. And if you listen to that whole press comment.

The faces the bastard, he morphed your face into match. But that was also one of the main takeaway. What are you guys fishing? We got a, we got a town by 18 Green.

You've got a house. It's in my car now. But listening to that whole press conference, that was one of my main takeaways as well was it wasn't just Daniel Rapoport. Yeah, his brain broke the most. But if you go back and listen to each individual question, it's always like, all right, Steve, you're up. And the guy goes, all right, all right, all right,

let me collect myself here. Every time. Every single time, it's just a bunch of guys who love Tiger Woods and have been following Tiger Woods's entire career. And now you are at a juncture. are all at a juncture where he is in an incredibly vulnerable place. We don't know what to ask him. We don't know where his career is going.

And now they are tasked with asking him the important questions. That is an incredible burden. It is. And look, this is why we don't go to press conferences. When we go to these majors, these tournaments, we have all of the credentials to go sit in one of those little chairs in those aisles. And then it's just not made for us. It's really not made for anybody.

No humans interact that way where they're like, here's your microphones you stand up you look at the subject you're like okay uh i'm now going to ask you a question now and then you're going to answer the question it's so fucking weird so now you do it with tiger wood i would freeze up probably too we have we've all been there we've all done it but i will say as danny rapport who's been awesome with us love the guy yeah um that is what happened to him is you know if you're a if you're in a beauty pageant you like pray that you don't just fall down the stairs when you fucking walk on to the stage if you are Danny Rapport, you pray that you don't just ever freeze up when you're supposed to ask

Tiger once a question. His brain just shut right off. I'd love to know, I'd love to know how hard the wheels were spinning in there to try and just grab any word, any word at all. He goes, ah, so when you have to say out loud, I forgot. It's so bad. It's as bad as it gets. He got a little bit of redemption though, because Tiger referred, or they went back to Daniel and Tiger said, he referred to him as D, which is huge for Daniel. Like they're obviously, they have on certain terms where he can refer to him as that. And they came back to him. But in that moment, again, I'm not going to make fun of the guy because we've been there.

It's a tough spot to be in. And there's no worse feeling than looking at Tiger Woods and having nothing. Nothing. Not a thing. No, you've got to be able to laugh at yourself. But yeah, I mean, just like you're at a Thanksgiving table of family. Sometimes you lose your train of thought. But like, there's less pressure.

You can kind of regain yourself. And you're like, what am I? That's right. But with Tiger, I mean, you're just deer in the headlights and just blank. And I feel in that moment, because you're spinning so fast that it's only getting blanker. Like there's no thoughts that are coming into your brain that are good ones, except like, I don't even know if I know my name right now. What's funny is like he came in with the hottest question of the press conference. Oh my God. Like was amputation a possibility? And Tiger goes, amputation was on the table. And then he had to follow it up with some sort of like,

you could hear Danny Rappapor, go, well, if that's the case, then my next question is, it had to be just as, like his second follow-up question had to be just as important as amputation, and he had nothing. Nothing. That's the problem, is that you came in with such a hard punch on the first one, and you couldn't even counter,

you couldn't even counter with a body punch. You just got fucking knocked out. He came in with like, were you almost going to cut your fucking leg off? To then like, you got to go to somebody. Yeah, Tiger's like, yeah, I was going to cut my leg off. What else he got for me? Exactly.

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a lot of travel stuff and then band and trails um not just travel stuff like us being us and just the shit that happens to us all the time that's that's what youtube is but also also Bannon Trails, which is potentially my favorite course there. It's Corp. Crenshaw. It's back in the trees a little bit. It's not really on the coast. So it's a little different than a lot of what you see or hear when you kind of get whispers of band and dunes. But, but yeah, episode one, Brennan's working really hard on, hard on.

I have like a specialist out there. We had all kinds of cool stuff going on. And we aggregated it, culminated it and used Brendan and Frankie's and everybody's talent to whip up a phenomenal episode one of our travel. series that I ban to do. Yeah, the beginning is long. It's going to be a long episode. So gear up, grab a drink, throw it on the TV. You're going to want to see it on a TV because the drone shots are just spectacular. But I just love the first hour is just so it's, it's so just us. It's not as much like how we hit the golf ball. It's more like how the fuck did we get to the golf course.

And it's such a look into the nightmare that is my life. Only these bad things happen to me, it seems like. There's four guys in the group and only one guy has to deal with. those bullshit. My car doesn't work to my hotel room. I lose my golf bags in Denver. It's just, it can't be real that it's only happening to me. And then I had to bring Trent along and lose his golf bags as well. So it's very, it's very funny. The loop, the car service that we took there looks so good on camera.

I mean, you want to talk about a fucking commercial. Everyone's going to be calling the loop after this thing. It looks like we're in a, like a Star Wars battleship. It's not real. The lights are going everywhere. I'm not just compared to like a floating living room. It's like the most comfortable, like, way to go from like an airport where you get off the plane. You're like, at least I'm always stiff every time I get to a plane, like off a plane, got to stretch.

And then my biggest fear is that you're just tight when you show up or you just get these big kind of like comfy. What are those, what do they call those limousine seats? No, what are they? Benge seats? Captain seats. Captain seats. Yeah, everybody gets their own captain seat. you can fully swivel in it.

They're almost like lazy boys. They were like lazy boy captain seat combos. They were unbelievable. Frankie had to deal with everything that was going on in his ad, which was, it's going to be a must-wit. I can't wait to see the final product. My favorite part is we call up this guy

who's supposed to be bringing our golf clubs the day of our first round of abandoned. And he's just like, he's like, yeah, I don't know what to tell you. I got other things to do today, so I can get there maybe tomorrow. And I'm just like, okay, okay. He's like, I'm not even in the same. state right now as you're not getting those close today pal it was a slap in the face of you're not

in new york anymore man you're in freaking what is it ben um bend oregon and this guy they got one guy at the airport that drives bags out to people and if he's not available you're not getting your bags like literally it was it is it is like that and look the the whole point of the travel series is there's a couple things one like we want to showcase to people and kind of reveal all the details to people of what each of these different places, what a trip looks like, what it takes to get there, what it's like once you're there, how you can do the lodging, which courses you play. We showcase the different courses so you can decide on your own because we understand

that golf trips are the coolest thing in the world. I think it's pretty much the thing that all four of us get the most excited about of anything. You plan a golf trip with your buddies. It might start with four guys. It might be eight. It might be 12 or 16 that eventually are. whatever it might be. But for the planner or the few planners in the group, it's a daunting task to be like, okay, here's this whole crew of like my best friends. They're relying on me. There's fucking

a hundred different resorts and golf destinations in the country alone that I could go to. Which one do I pick? Where do I start? What's it going to take to get there? So trying to, again, like, provide all that information in an interesting way through YouTube videos and long form videos is one of the main objectives. And the other one is we understand, like, people love to live vicariously through these types of experiences. I do it myself. I scour through fucking YouTube and look at golf courses that I've never been to before

that are on my bucket list that I've heard a lot about and just watch total strangers play them because you are living vicariously through them that experience, takes you out of your living room and into, you know, that golf trip. So kind of trying to check both of those boxes is what we try to do with these. And then I guess the third one is like, you know, we have matches and kind of present to you the typical entertainment bullshit that we present to you on a day to day basis. So this, having been, you know, Banda Dunes finally, is probably the ultimate version of this trip or at least in the upper echelon of places because the visual aspects of it from being on the Oregon cliffs, the waves crashing is off the charts. all of the shit that happens with Frankie and Drent losing their stuff is basically a

four play podcast. And then you've got the matches and you've got the differences in challenge logistics. We got the loop. We got different lodging. Like all kinds of different information that you can take it. So this is going to be an amazing series. I believe it's five episodes long. And I think people are going to love it.

I know, again, eBug pours a ton into it, as do a lot of us. We had Jake and Ebug and Avery. they literally run around the whole fucking day while we just get to play golf and we do these videos. They run around and capture every shot. Jake Bass gets hit by golf balls. Like it's just kind of chaos

and what all goes into this. And again, it culminates in these videos. So I hope people like them. I think they're going to be awesome from everything I've hearing because I haven't seen any of the footage yet. These are going to be,

I mean, the drone footage, I remember looking over bugged shoulder. I feel like everybody there was like, oh, do you got to get this, this and that. I mean, it's,

I would say, I don't know, a top. two or three property and certainly in the country, just thinking of like Pebble, and maybe there's another one that I'm not familiar with. But in terms of just like the expansive views that you get looking at the shores abandoned and the whole experience

is going to be off the chart. So I can't wait to see it. Yeah, I think it's going to be epic. I think people are going to love it. Before we get back to Tiger, shout out to our girl, Danielle Kang. She got the Golf Digest cover. Cover star. which is awesome.

I could tell she was super pumped about it. She was tweeting about it, post an eye as you, one of our favorite people in the world of golf, especially on the player front. Speaking of videos, we have a four-man scramble against her. Shout out to Cisco WebEx,

who sponsored that one. So people should go check that out. But she is cool as fuck. She's raw. She's real. She does amazing interview. She's a major champion. And she got Golf Digest cover girl,

which is really, really cool for her. So shout out to Daniel Kegg. Okay. Now, on to some more serious stuff from the Tiger Woods interview. It's really revealing where people truly stand on their belief in Tiger Woods' ability to constantly come back and do the unimaginable is being revealed because some of his quotes, you could really take them or spin them any way that you want. And kind of the main one is essentially him saying he is going to play. the tour again someday, but that reaching the Mount Everest greatness that he once reached will never be doable again. And again, some people can take that and be like, oh, he's waving

the white flag. Tiger Woods never going to win a major championship again. If you are taking that stance, I will once again call you a fucking idiot because all of what's in these two interviews that he's now done supports pretty much everything that we have been saying, which is that Tigerwood, is going to come back. He's going to have a different body than he had before, which he has done 10 times in his life. This is going to be more challenging than the last. So was the fusion.

So was all of that. He's going to play a limited schedule. Guess what? He's played a limited schedule for fucking ever. In 2019, I did a little research. In 2019, Tiger Woods, from mid-April until August 11th, only played four tournaments.

And three of them were major championships. So, like, he went from a guy, Justa to the PGA Championship. He didn't play a single tournament. He just went major to major. Then he went from the PGA Championship at Bethpage to the British Open. The only thing he played, or to the U.S. Open, the only thing he played in between was the Memorial. And then after U.S. Open, the next thing he played was the British Open.

So, like, he basically has done many times for the last several years a very limited schedule. In 2020, which granted, they were off for six weeks or whatever it was, PGA Tour. He only played seven tournaments, I believe, in 2020. last year and he was relatively healthy that year. I mean, he wasn't out because of injury. He just didn't play big schedule. So people that are panicking about that, I don't think that's a huge deal at all. I think Tiger Woods alluding to Ben Hogan and alluding to the fact that, and he literally said, I can still participate in the game of golf. I can still, if my leg gets okay, I can still click off a tournament here or there, which is literally what we've been asking him to do for the last

three or four years since he came back. So again, anyone who's panicking, using that, I saw people even tweeting out the white flag emoji. If you think that that means this man's waving the white flag, you are a fucking idiot. All this is in line with pretty much everything that I've believed. He will gain and achieve and the trajectory that he will do it going forward. And I couldn't, I'm really, in no way do I look at any of these quotes as a negative.

I look at pretty much every one of them as a positive. Another thing people like to focus on is this supposed newfound perspective that he has. And one of the stories that he told was when they were able to wheel him outside and he could feel the sun on his face and he could feel the grass. He'd been inside for so long. And like you said, he doesn't feel like he can necessarily make that climb up Mount Everest again. These are things that are pretty similar to what he said in the past, like after the back surgery, where he was saying, oh, I just want to be able to play with my kids again. I wasn't able to sit up straight, and then when I was able to sit up straight, that was a big deal. People seem to be forgetting those, and this time around, they're viewing it as like he's riding off into the sunset when I don't think that's the case whatsoever.

Sometimes I even feel like he says those things. I know he means them. Like, if you're inside for a long time and you're a guy who has spent the majority of his adult life outside on a golf course, it's going to be a big milestone to finally get outside as opposed to sitting in a hospital bed for three months or three weeks or whatever it was. but I don't think that necessarily means that he is riding off into the sunset and that he's done playing professional golf. I actually think it's more of what we've heard in the past and maybe he's learned some lessons. Yeah, this is the hardest thing that he's probably ever come back from. The crash was devastating and horrifying. But like he wouldn't post that video of him taking a swing with the caption, Making Progress,

if he wasn't thinking about making a comeback to the point where he could win again. That's how I think. Totally. And the headlines are bullshit. I mean, I even had my sister who doesn't know anything about golf text me yesterday. I showed it to Trent because we hadn't seen the Golf Digest article yet or the video. And she goes, I'm so sorry about Tiger with all crying emojis. And it was a headline saying like Tiger Woods may never play golf again on the PGA tour. So like to the average just sports viewer that doesn't really know what's going on in golf, it's like, oh shit, Tiger Woods is never going to be on the PGA tour again. He's just announced it in this interview. And I said immediately, without even watching, I said, well, he hasn't been a everyday PGA tour player for three or four years. So it's going to be fine. He's just going to play in the big ones. It's just what we want. The only thing I didn't like is when he actually said, which is one of our points, I don't like that he used him coming back and winning the Masters as like his, like, he said at one point, like that was his big final goal.

Like, that was my, that was my push. He said that was, I got that last major. Right. He's like, I got that last manager. That's what I wanted to prove to myself that I could go back and do it, essentially. That's the stuff that we were saying. I don't like him saying that because it's almost like he is justifying why, if he never wins another one or he never comes back to even playing another one, he's letting us know. Oh, no, I told you guys, that was my final hurrah.

That was the last dance. That was the one that I wanted to do. I've now stated it multiple times. I told you guys, why are you so surprised when I hang up the Scotty Cameron? That's what I didn't like. I never want to hear that out of them. Do you guys remember when he, when he had the quote where he said, I've had a hell of a career and the rest from here on out is gravy?

Do you remember that? Was that before or after the Masters that he won? Parker Woods, gravy. I love gravy. It's really good. Oh, it was in 2015. Okay. That was 2015?

Holy cow. All right. So that's where I really thought that was like 2018, maybe even like last year. But no, but I think it helps you even more. I think it helps your point even more. Right. He thought in 2015. So he says these things.

Like, and I agree with you, Frankie. Hearing him say, and he almost took a beat where he said, you know, I was proud of myself, I got that last major. And that, that hit me too. And I'm sure it hit everybody. But then like I'm saying, you go back to that gravy quote, he's been saying these things where he's kind of like, whatever happens from here on now, if I win another major, if I don't, I'm happy with where everything is going.

but I still think that means he'll go out there and try to win another one. The problem is he's in it right now. He's just rehabbing his leg. And Tiger Woods doesn't even know Tiger Woods' capabilities. You know what I mean? I'm convinced of that. That Tiger Woods doesn't know the book that he's writing. He's just like us.

He's a passenger. He leaves his body and Tiger Woods, the player, just moves on and does things that are abnormal and they're godlike. Like, he doesn't even realize that. in two or three months when he starts hitting bunker shots and hitting low stingers or entries that he's going to want to come back and win the majors. And he's going to want to break all the records. Like he doesn't even know that yet. A hundred percent agree.

And I think that is evidenced by what Trent just said. Because on, in I think it was December 2015, Tiger said pretty much everything beyond this will be gravy. For my 20 years out here, I think I've achieved a lot. If that's all it entails that I've had a pretty good run, but I'm hoping that's not it. So anyone, again, who's looking at the Tiger quote, which I didn't love the quote either about like the last major, but anybody's looking at that as like, oh, well, if Tiger Woods says it's his last major, that's just it. You don't really understand Tiger Woods because of exactly what you're just saying, Frankie. Tiger Woods will return to a phase where he genuinely believes and knows he can win a huge golf tournament, a major championship. And so for him, even if he's in a state now,

and I do think he's doing a little bit of legacy protecting when he says that. Like I think he's doing a little bit of like, do you guys know how fucking awesome that was when I won the Masters? Like, that was awesome. He needs to like, I think he's doing a little bit of that to remind everyone how incredible that was. And that too, like for him to win that major, if he had been winning a major a year leading up to that,

I don't think he would look at it the same way. But I mean, he hadn't won a fucking major. in 13 years when he won that thing. So his whole mindset had gotten kind of built up, built up, built up, built up of how important it would be for him to prove that he could win one more major championship. So I could see him seeing it that way and protecting how important that was. But again, if he had the gravy quote in 2015, came back,

went through all the bullshit again and won another major, he's got this quote among all the others where he made it very clear, where he said, this time around, I don't think I'll have the body to climb Mount Everest and that's okay. I can still participate in the game of golf. I can still, if my leg, it's okay, I can still click off a tournament here or there. And then he alluded multiple times

to understanding how Hogan did it and how it worked well for him. And so he gave a little smirk after he said a few of those things. So I, again, do not believe really that this whole last two interviews that we've seen have changed my mindset on his comeback at all. I guess the main thing that we have learned

is that like the leg is not 100% right like he's clearly that's what I was going to say and it's going to sound obvious but it's obviously heavy heavily dependent on that leg and I think at this current time he does not know like I think that's true like everything I think he wants to win again he would love to get back out there he wants to be with the boys he wants to play tournaments but it's it's not up to him it's up to his body it's up to his leg if it can bounce back then I think it's it's all systems go you know relatively relatively to where we are now. Well, he was asked the question, too, like, are you feeling any pain?

He's like, yeah, my body's in pain right now. And then he made actually another bad tiger joke, but was like, yeah, the only thing I was holding my back is my back. And that, like, caught him off guard. And he gave a small chuckle about that too. But, yeah, the leg. And then he was also, you know, in terms of, like, the defense, he was saying, my ball's not, like, staying up in the air for as long as it once was and some other things that, like, deflect. But in a one way, like, he's got, he humanizes him, even. He humanizes himself more than even like Bryson does.

So like he understands that other people can't do that. But I think in the back of his mind, if he's going to put out that video, he's playing for like, he's playing for majors and he's playing to win, which is all I need to know and all that I care about is that in this life again, I'll see Tiger Woods tee it up in a tournament that I like deeply care about. And that's just as good as a must watch as you can have in this life. And that was kind of my, I started to get really hyped up with him when he, he was asked about the British Open at St. Andrews and it's 150th and how much it would mean to him to be able to play in that tournament. And Riggs, he quickly on that, he said that that course is his favorite course in the world, which I always just thought Augusta was.

And I don't think he like misspeaks or just says like hyperbole. Like I think he actually means that. Yeah. And he had some really good quotes about the first time he played St. Andrews. The front nine, I believe, was downwind. And the whole, it really wasn't that windy throughout there. It was a little downwind. He thought it was really easy.

And there were a bunch of bunkers he saw that he couldn't even imagine, like, why they were there. And then he said the next time he played it, that he played the front nine was into a stiff wind. And then the wind switched as soon as they turned and the back nine was into the wind. And he walked off being like, That is unlike anything I've ever seen and I love it and that he's falling in love more and more with the course. Probably helps too that he's won twice there. I think he won by 8 in 2000 and he won by 5 in 2005. So like pretty hard not to love that place when you just dust people there. But I got super hyped up.

Even like we talk about with the Islanders with you, Frankie, or like when the blues won the cup, when the Capitals won the cup and like 8 and PFT we're talking about like the process and the journey is. what the entire experience is about. Like once your team or your player in this sense, like wins the thing, it's incredibly cool when you get to gloat and it's fun. But the actual process, the emotions, the journey, the ride throughout, or what's actually awesome about it and like the unbelievably intense moments when there's OT or when there's a power play that you've got to kill off or a penalty kill, I guess.

Or when Tiger has like a six footer that you're like, if he fucking misses this six footer for par, like it's going to take all the wind out of our sails. And then he makes it and you're like, yes. And you get to keep rolling. like him pegging it at St. Andrews, regardless of if he can really win the tournament or not, which we've never really said before, but like that hype train,

us waking up early, us like that nervous factor on that first T, when they announce him, when he's got a few birdie looks and he looks like he's playing well, like even the fact that we're going to have those experiences again, it is so unbelievably awesome. To like all the desk jockeys out there is just like, you crank up the iPad,

you got your little workstation, and you just have your iPad like live streaming to, every one of Tiger Woods is shot is like the best thing in the world. I mean, it is like they're holidays, honestly. Like, they're just like built-in vacation days. Of just, it's the most exciting thing in sports. It's like Thursday, tea in the ground, Tiger Woods hitting a golf ball. That's coming.

Like, I don't even think that's arguable. It's like that is going to come. And that thought alone, like, that's the Christmas spirit, baby. That's it. I mean, that's, that's, that's the best gift that any golfer could have is that next year we'll have a team in the ground and Tiger Woods will be hitting a golf ball. It's like, I don't know if it gets better than that. No, I really think it doesn't. We got to do Roman real quick.

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Yeah, just the hype train around him teeing up again. Golf Twitter around that time. Just really Twitter in general. Absolutely. Tiger takes over Twitter. he did when he posts that video of his swing. And then everything that comes with it. I mean, there will be Brandel and the boys.

They'll be breaking down his performance. So it'll be like, yes, you get the Tiger round. You get to talk about it with your boys. All of your group chats with all your fellas, they start lighten up. Everybody's going nuts every time he makes a couple birdies. He goes on a little birdie barrage. Then you can put it on appointment TV for a Golf Central

or whatever show they're on at night. When Brando goes through for 30 minutes, he breaks down every shot. Tiger hits. what he liked, what he didn't like. You can yell at Brando on the TV when you think he's dogging our boy. You know, you can get hyped up when he says positive things. It's like we just get to go through all of that again to some degree.

It might not going to be him playing every week, which sucks. It's cool when he plays every week. But guess what? He hasn't played a full schedule in such a long time. There's a chance, it sounds like he didn't rule it out. Like we might see this fucking guy playing in like a week and a half at the father-son thing. Yeah, he didn't rule that out. And also, if I'm the PGA tour, I'm putting together an event that's a part three tournament.

Because he kept saying that. He kept saying, oh, shit. No way. I heard you guys were talking shit. No, we weren't. No, we didn't. We did not talk shit for the record. No, I fully deserve every single piece of shit that's been, I mean, I fully blacked out.

I've never had anything like that happened before in my life. You know that's happened to pretty much everyone, this show in front of Tiger Woods. I mean, it's, it was one of the more humiliating moments of my life, but then I saw Trent tweet that it happened to him and I felt, I felt a lot better. So thanks, guys. All right.

So walk us through the whole moment. So you, like, what was the preparation like? You had the first question, very serious question. And then just, you walk us through the entire thing. By the way, Daniel, I'll give you, okay. And the report has joined the show. Right.

So I asked a totally separate question before, like, you know, 10 minutes before, which obviously no one's going to talk about, but I drilled that question, absolutely drilled. And then this next one, I had a question loaded up, and then in the answer before, he mentioned something about his leg being fucking amputated. And I'm like, okay, I have to ask about Tiger Woods' leg being amputated. So I said, Tiger, like, what were the odds that your legs were?

Was that really a likely possibility? And I think what really tripped me up is he was like, what? Because I was ready to go to the next question before he said what. And then he goes, what? And I'm like, um, amputation. And then he looks me dead in the eye. His biceps are bulging out of his shirmy eyes. You know what I'm like say in psych class or whatever that like, like when these things

happen, your brain can release chemicals and it feels like you're on drugs. Like I felt like that I was on drugs. Like my entire, my entire head went completely blank. And then I just tried to stall. I was like, um, so if. and then obviously I'm getting sweatier and sweatier and then I just had to bite the bull and say, yeah, I forgot. We were saying having to say the words I forgot is in all time,

I have nothing here. Like, almost you didn't even know the words like, I forgot. Like, you like barely. I don't think I could, I could not speak English in that moment. Like, that was all, that was all I could muster. And then shout out to Jack Ryan, the PGA tour guy, because he came right back to me, which was, which was huge. And he called you.

I had to sit. And then he called me D. I think that was him being like, hey, it's okay, man. I know we're all nervous here. But yeah, no, it was, I've gotten a lot of shit from, like, my group chat from college. Everyone's like, nice work, Andy, nice work, Danny. And then there's been, like, another writer, this guy, Steve McLeo, who every time he sees me in the media center now, he just goes, whew.

Dude, it's something about. I forgot. It has to be the most relieving time, though, in your life. It's like, at least it's over. You know what I mean? In that second of just straight panic. Now, I know it's not the best thing to say, but like it is a moment of relief just being like,

I forgot sitting down and then it's pure panic again. 100%. It was like, I'm looking for something. I'm looking for something. I'm looking for something. And then internally I just made a shift. Like, there's just nothing. There's just nothing there.

Yeah. I mean, that's like, that's what happened to me. It's the eyes. When he looks you in the eyes and you, the worst thing you do, and I did it too is you say, your head, Tiger Woods is looking at me right now. And then you're at that point, you're done. You had it worse than I did because luckily when Tiger asked me where you stationed, which is a question I still could not answer to this day. Luckily for me, I had three guys

around me and Riggs came to my rescue and answered the question for me. You are quite literally on an island by yourself and you have no reinforcements and no backup. So you just had to say, I forgot. Yeah, I had to bite the bullet. Look, look, a lesser man would have asked some bullshit question and come up with something like, but, you know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I have ethics. So when you forget your question, you forget your question, you, you take a and you move on to the next one. Yeah, I mean, it's a learning experience. That's what everybody else would say, yeah, it's a learning experience. To your credit, I said, like, this is why we don't go to press conferences. Like, we, if you're telling me, we're going to stand up there with a microphone

and look somebody in the eye, especially Tiger Woods and like, okay, sir, it is time to ask question now. like we can't fucking do that we're not going to press conferences yeah and that that's something that i don't know if you guys have talked about this but you know everyone on twitter and on golf channel or hammering us like you know what why didn't you hammer tiger on the questions about the accident you know what why didn't you press him on that it's like you've quite clearly never asked tiger what's a question and he just completely shuts you down like um i can't remember who was who asked but they asked about the crash and he's like you know it's all in the police report and at that moment it was so clear that any other question about the crash would a have just like ticked him off

and b it wouldn't have gotten a response so if you think about it like it's not in anyone's best interest to ask that question i don't know i mean it's a longer longer conversation but people don't realize who haven't done it before like when tiger woods is staring you dead in the eyes and he doesn't blink i don't know if you notice he's trying to like when he stares at you he just doesn't blink and like and if he doesn't like the question like dylan you guys know dillin the chair he asked a question about like, you know, do you feel like this is your business and no one else's business? And he finishes the question like, you know, you can poke around me, but I'm taking a you can poke around me, but be my family alone. And then he goes, and then they say, the other

guy starts asking the question. And then he's like, and then he moves on. But he gives you that death stare. So it's, it's a, yeah, it's not easy. Jesus. And I mean, this is exactly what we said, by the way. Like, we, I think you're 100% right. I think it's, it's not beneficial to anyone because you know when he when he leads with that it's all in the police report answer you are getting nothing so for you to then even potentially risk any of your like built up social capital interview journalistic capital with tiger woods is really stupid because you're going to get nothing out of it the only thing you're going to get out of it is maybe a few blue check marks in the golf Twitter world are going to be like hey kudos to him for press and tiger

a little bit. Oh, what does that mean nothing? You're not going to get shit from the guy so why waste your time on it? Spot on. Like, you're not going to get anything and it's easy for them to be like, that was great. And they don't have to face him the next day or they don't have the, really articles about Tiger am I here? You got me?

You're back. You broke up for a second, but you're back. Bad service spot. Just just leaving us. Impressing him. Impressing him. And they're going to know that. and they're going to identify you as like the guy who's been doing that. And it's going to get stuff with other guys. Yeah.

Yeah, I think we caught the end of that, but I think it's, it makes a ton of sense that, like, you're just going to be, you're frozen in a pretty good picture right now. Yeah, you have the sun. The sun, right, but you got your little safari hat on. Just kind of eating the sun, I'm going to be honest. No, I think he's. He might be gone. Yeah, I think just like the way he showed up, he might be gone, you know.

But it was a pleasure. It was a great story. That was a nice drop in by Daniel. Rapaport. I enjoy it. Here he comes again. Daniel Rapaport from God. Oh, he's coming. That was an eBug special. Ebug. You set that up, I imagine?

Yeah, I slipped in his DMs. He's in the Bahamas right now. So probably tough service. He's walking the course. We might get him back on. But that's exactly what we said. I mean, and he's right. He's right in that the only people you're going to please are the, are the fucking golf Twitter blue checkmark dorks who live for like, you know, we're the most ethically sound and you need to challenge him on this. For what? What are you going to get out of them?

it. And now he's part of the brotherhood. Daniel is part of the brotherhood of guys who, when you meet Tiger Woods, you just can't think. And I remember saying this when the where you guys stationed, um, I'm going to call it a scandal happened that you, that I'm happy with that reaction that I had now looking back on it. Like if I had been cool and suave and like I was able to, you know, chop it up a tiger, no problem. It's just not possible for a guy like me because I was just so, so nervous to meet him and I couldn't believe that I was meeting, you know, basically a deity. So, you know, you come away from it. Right now, Daniel's in hell.

People are texting him. People are tweeting at him. They're saying like, you know, people are walking around the media tent. They're giving him the Reggie Miller choke. You got to get through that. And then afterwards, it's fine. You got through it and you're part of the brotherhood. I think that's right.

I think that's right. I was nice to talk to him. It was nice to hear directly from him. He basically experienced every emotion that we thought he experienced. he experienced. And that is good, really good insight to hear the way he still stared down our friend Dylan DeCere, who we had on during the Ryder Cup. I mean, you ask, you ask that guy a question he doesn't like. He stares at you, gives you an answer that finishes with, you can come after me, but don't come after my family. And then they go to someone else. And before even moving his

head to look at someone else, he gives you a two or three second continual stare before addressing the next question. Holy moly. And Daniel makes another good point where everyone is thinking about these questions happening in a vacuum. That room that they're all in has a temperature and it has a feel. Like if you ask a question or you double down on a question that he clearly doesn't want to answer, it's going to ruin the entire thing. People are just thinking about like, ask Tiger this question, get the answers we want to know. We want to know all about the crash. What happened? They're not thinking about everyone else in that room and how the rest of the press conference is going to go. You have to think about that. Every situation has a feel and a temperature. And with Tiger Woods,

you're trying to keep it as cordial and nice as you can just so you'll get a couple nuggets out of him. Otherwise, everybody's going to get nothing. It's like being at a blackjack table. Yes. At a casino. You got this one asshole at the, at the end that's hitting on an eight, seven looking at a five. You know what I mean? It's like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Let's just keep this thing rolling. Um, so yeah, I mean, You got to just take a temperature for the room. I completely agree, Trent. We've seen it on our end. When the guy's in a bad mood, we just kind of walk away. We don't want to make them...

Because it's all about reputation. It's all about relationships, too, with these guys. Like, Daniel Rappaport has to go to the next tournament and ask questions again. It's not just a one and done. Maybe for guys like us where it's like we finally got in, we can ask Tiger Woods one question, we can do it. We're never going to see him again. Let's just fucking do it.

But Daniel Rappaport, that's his job. That's his livelihood. He needs to ask questions. He needs to be professional. He needs to somehow get into the next one. So totally get it. It's just very funny to hear how his brain just got wiped away. And when he took his glasses off and showed us,

I saw Tiger Woods's eyes when he did it. Dude, Tiger Woods is like that fucking, that big-ass snake monster in the chamber of secrets where if you look it in the eyes, you just turn to stone. 100%. Yeah. Boy, that makes me,

I'm getting like the chills and scared thinking about what that must have felt like. I wonder what Dylan's the chair. We're out. He's holding up. Maybe I'll text him, see if he wants to chat. He was the first person to ask a question at that press conference.

So he's the first guy to ask Tiger Woods a question after all this has happened outside of the golf digest interview. That's a lot of pressure too. But he handled it pretty well. His brain didn't go blank like Daniels. And that mentality, that's Earl, man. Like that, like,

I'll fucking kill you. And Tiger in the Golf Digest article alludes to, um, again, like the Navy SEAL stuff and what did he call it like SF training like special forces training he talked about how which was really interesting actually him getting back and recovering and he did this I guess with his back surgeries but you never go like all right I need to just get through this he goes by surviving to breakfast and then surviving to lunch and surviving till dinner which is what

I guess SF people do special forces people do it's it's a really really really good look into how this guy's brain works where it's like, I'm just here to survive right now. And if I can get to lunch, then that's my goal. When he's doing that interview, he's just trying to survive till the end of the interview. So when you're on the other side of that, he's looking at you like the bad guy. Like, all right, I've done this training. I've targeted my target. I'm locked in on you.

I will defeat you and then I will move on. That's exactly how his brain works. He says he does it with his back surgeries. He's doing it with his leg surgery. his recovery. He just tries to survive little, many episodes of his life. And there's nobody like him on the planet. There's absolutely nobody like this guy.

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53. New York, you can still golf, man. This is not too cold. It's December. It's going to be in the 50s. You kidding me? A little Christmas golf. No, I didn't know it was going to be that warm this weekend. That's awesome. I might get a little golf in this weekend, try to slap it around. It's right. Again, use the old Barstow Golf Time app. You get double the points when you leave a review now through the end of the year. Just to also talk about the earlness in Tiger when he was talking about Charlie Woods and he was saying, man, like I was sitting around the house and I was looking at all these high scores that he was hit at like posting.

I'm like, what the fuck's going on with this kid? Going out there and then trying to correct while Charlie has been blowing up on the golf course. That's because he takes his anger from one hole to the next and he's like, he keeps making these stupid nines. which for some reason I just thought of Trent when he said that. And he goes, he keeps making these stupid dumb nines because he's not thinking. At one point he said, the next shot has to be the most important shot of the day.

The next shot has to be the most important shot of your life. It has to be more important than breathing at one point, he said. And that was such a look into Tiger Woods' fucking life, growing up with Earl, sitting there. The next golf shot has to be more important. important than breathing. I mean, that means if you're not going to hit this shot with any sort of, um, like intent, intense, uh, focus, you might as well die. That's what that reads to me. That's how I read that is if you're not going to pay attention to this next thing, stop breathing. Well, that's like the Harry Higgs thing, but on steroids where Harry Higgs is like, you got to think about every shot. And that's how you are

successful in the game of golf. But if you want to be like Tiger Woods, you have to take it to a level that literally no one else takes it to to the point where it's more important than putting air into your lungs to survive. I think my opinion is going to be that Tiger Woods, and he probably has already, is going to raise Charlie in a different way that Earl did. He obviously is. Like Tiger Woods had a much different upbringing than Charlie Woods. There's no doubt about that.

He's got all the money. He's got all the access. It's incredible his life. He's going to go on to be such a good athlete based off his dad being the best athlete of all time. Tiger Woods had to be like groomed that way and fucking like Built together like a computer But I still think and there's quotes like that when he says like the next shot has to be more important than breathing

Where Earl is going to come out of Tiger And Charlie's going to have to adapt to that He's going to have to live in the house that's so big that Tiger Woods can barely crutch around And also have to live in a world where the next golf shot is so important that it's more important than breathing Or else your dad's going to be fucking pissed and probably like not respect you on the golf on the golf course like tiger's going to take it that seriously because that's who he is that's how he's been fucking computed that's how he's been built there's no way around it bro there there was so many quotes in that golf digest video that you just it felt like earl was speaking

through tiger woods and tiger doesn't even realize it's just how he thinks no earl's definitely in there for sure of course think about how important as a human being breathing is i'd say number one yeah like what What things in the world, what things in the world would you, could you like, if faced with a, you can do this or just stop breathing? What things would you actually, like, there's nothing. You've not, none of us have ever done anything without breathing. It's the thing we have to do to do other things. Something is more important than breathing.

Like water is important, right? Water is important. food is important, but it's not, you don't need it every second of the day. Breathing you need every second of the day. I mean, the pretty like standard line when somebody dies is they stopped breathing. So like you just, you're going to have to breathe in this one. You have to. I mean, you just have to breathe.

And he says that the next shot in golf is more important than breathing. What a mentality that is that that guy. And it's one thing to say that. Like anybody can say that. but we know for a fact that Tiger Woods actually lived his life that way. Yes. You know? Like you can,

that's hyperbole if anybody else says it. Oh, yeah, I want this next shot to be more important than breathing. People would be like, all right, dude, just like step up and hit it. Tiger Woods actually felt that way, and he won a gazillion tournaments doing it.

What's funny is Earl was, and we've seen all the documentaries and read all the books, but Earl was an asshole and he would say things like my son is the God. He's the prophet. He's the prophecy. And he probably said things to Tiger, like, this next shot's more fucking important than breathing. And Tiger's like, that fucking makes sense. And now we have a very intelligent, incredible man of Tiger Woods, who's in his late 40s that still believes that the next golf shot is more important than breathing.

Because his dad has ingrained that into his being, his body. That's the only thing that he thinks about. It's very funny that he hasn't, like, gone away from that philosophy of thinking with all his years of meeting other people, not just Earl, like, he has more influence from other athletes and golfers. He still thinks that way. That's how scary that upbringing was. Scary. And the influences from your formative years are certainly more like they have,

that's how you are. Like later on in life, you start to get more self-aware and you, yeah, you run into other people and like they teach you certain ways that they live and all that. But when you're growing up, when it's literally the first thing you know, that gets coded onto your DNA.

And that's just who you are. for the entirety of your life, you never get rid of that, ever. We don't talk about how, we don't talk enough about how Earl would hit golf balls and then feed Tiger to the sound of the swing. Like, it would actually,

it's crazy with, with, uh, training like military dogs. Literally. It's like, they smell something, they get hungry or it's fucking psychotic,

but it's what, it's what built Tiger Woods. It's what, it's what made us fall in love with them. And I would never change a thing about it. You do bring, up an interesting point about Charlie where he'll have options. He certainly has options on what he wants to do where like he's he has a lavish sort of lifestyle or he grew up lavishly. Tiger was like

this is either happening or there's no other option. Like it's this has to happen. Charlie hopefully, I hope it's far healthier than that, that the father's son relationship is far healthier than that. I think it probably will be. But yeah, Charlie Woods, that'll be an interesting thing to watch for for a while. He's gonna have to get less. He's fucking, how old is Charlie Woods? 11, 12. 12, maybe.

He's gonna have to figure out how to not realize that he's supposed to be Charlie Woods. Because like, if I can see why he's getting mad on the golf course and making nines because he's like, I'm fucking Charlie Woods. I don't make nines. I don't hit balls into the woods.

I don't hit, I don't hit balls into the bunker and like knock it out. And he's probably fucking smacking his clubs around and kicking his feet because he's an 11 year old. And it's got to be so frustrating for him to be like, my dad's fucking Tiger Woods. Why can't I go out there and shoot a 61 every single day?

I know that I have it. I've got the swing. Everyone on Twitter's talking about me. I was the star of the dad, the father's son tournament. Dude, this kid's going to have a fucking hard mental game growing up. It's going to be a nightmare.

I mean, the Gretzky kids, you know? It's like anybody that comes after like you're the son of greatness. It's like, it's a brutal mental stroke. because like if he gets on tour it wins three times let's say four times incredible career right that's like in you know yeah it's like peanuts

and like that might not be you know that's not what his expectations are what he thinks and like overcoming that is insane I think we've said that before where if he just makes a tour it's better than 99.999999% of golfers on the planet it's the most it's the highest you can ever go and we're all going to be like not good enough you have to win 25 majors.

It's fucking insane. Well, that's like Pat Perez's thing. It's like, what if he has a Pat Perez crew, which is incredible, right? Guys been on tour for 20 years. Never not, like, he has so much pride in that stuff. Right. Absolutely incredible. And, you know, it's like if Charlie has that by some, like, you know,

shitty blue chest check marks or whatever, they're going to be like, that's a bad, it's like, no, that's absolutely amazing that he overcome everything that he did. And I was actually just looking to see if I could find, Earl Woods's swing. I don't know if I can like recount that in my brain night right now when I think because, Frankie, your point of Tiger just sitting there in a baby chair just like watching Earl swing like time and time again is crazy.

But Earl must have had, you know, a little swing on him to, I don't know, obviously Tiger like mimicking that. You know, there must have been a pretty nice move there for Bad Boy Earl when Tiger was just sitting, eating eggs and mashing him against his face as he like trying to figure out his life. Yeah, exactly. It's subconscious, right? Like, you're at that age, you are not...

Totally. Tiger's not looking at Earl being like, oh, that guy, he's playing golf, that's a nice swing. It's just building blocks into his subconscious until he's old enough to swing a golf club. Right, the average amateur peers, like peers a ball every, I don't know, 12 to 15 shots. So, like, once Earl peers one, he goes back and feeds Tiger eggs,

but like until he doesn't peer one again there's just no food until he hits another one good and then they played like Taiwanese military tapes or something like that like as he went to bed and he was like kill kill kill unlike any uprolet and there's also going back to Charlie for one second I don't know if Charlie this realization is going to happen or he's already had it where he's going to one day think

I'm Tiger Woods's son and I'm the only person in this position And that is just a lot to handle. And I hope, you know, I hope that I just wonder what their relationship is going to be like. And I hope that it's healthy. But at some point, Charlie's going to be like, I'm Tiger Woods's son. Maybe that's already happened. And that's just more pressure than anybody is equipped to handle. Dude, he said at one point that he has, Tiger was saying that he's already talking smack, like with JT,

like JT walks into the house. And he goes and Charlie just goes, hey, how many PJ champions do you have? and JT says one and he like looks back he goes oh we've got like four back here and like JT says well that's your fucking dad's trophies you piece of shit you know like you little shit

like that's your dad's trophies what have you won so like he's already got that mentality of like we've got we've got 14 of these fucking things it's a little scary that he's already thinking that I love that it's we I love that he's saying we it's like him and dad are like we're at this together it's not this like abrasive thing which again as you turn into a teenager

and you turn into like maybe a late stage late teenager, you might become a lot more of a little shithead to your parents. I think everybody probably did. Right now he's fucking 12. So I think when you're 12, you're usually still like, you're pretty cute. You're like,

yeah, my parents are great. And then once you get a little bit older, it might get a little dice here. But I love that he says we. I love that he chirps JT as like, we've got 15 of these trophies. What are you been doing? You got what?

Like, that's it. He's just roasted them. We are the Gulf Empire. We are the empire. And I'm going to carry. this torch next. It's going to be fascinating.

Dude, he's, yeah. That was also a sneaky big winner of like the Tiger News was Justin Thomas. Like Tiger Woods was like the Thomas is our family to us. JT's like a brother that I've never, you know, had or maybe about Charlie. Like the pedestal that JT got put on like everybody knew he was close after the President's Cup. Like I love me some me like

dapping up huge hogs. It was kind of nuts. But in the press cut, like, the little snippets that were coming out, I was like, oh my God, the Thomases are like royal family now. This is crazy. He said the Thomases and Woodses are family. Yeah.

And J.T., I think was the brother that I never had or like Charlie's brother. I don't know. There was some other line, too, that was like another step of just being closer. Which, I mean, if you wake up to that, that's got to be making you feel pretty good. Yeah, I mean, he, his answer there of him,

I believe he said Justin Thomas is like the younger brother I never had and like the older brother Charlie never had. Yes. It was crazy. I don't know if you can say something more positively about a human being in your relationship with them than what he said about Justin Thomas. Just as good as he gets. Justin Thomas now is being fed this like Tiger Woods type like almost he's becoming like a blunt brother with Tiger and Charlie Woods. It's like that's got to help. out dramatically too he might be somebody we're going to really need to watch j t going forward here totally and j t grew up a tiger super fan so i don't care how many times jt's one on tour and how he's

one of the best golfers in the planet it's got to be so surreal for him to now be tiger woods's his younger brother he's got to feel like he got pulled into his favorite tv show he's just like oh i'm just here and i'm living this it's got to be surreal for him right uh simply say all surreal how good they are okay if you have ever wanted to make your home feel safer there's no better time than right now this week our friends at simply safe are giving four play listeners early access to all their holiday deals 40% off their award-winning home security we love simply safe because that has everything you need to make your home safe simply safe was even named best home security system 2021 by u.s news and world report that's pretty legit you can easily

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Mikey Fowler, podcast Mikey, sent us like the Foreplay one where we can see the like the Foreplay podcast and how many people we've reached and all the countries, by the way, Zimbabwe, shout Zimbabwe and Zah. I think we're huge in Zimbabwe. Shout out. Amazing. And then like our Kevin Kisner episode peaked in Ireland. So that's fucking awesome.

But the first one that pops up goes on January 5th, you released your first episode of the year. Frankie is fat. That's got to feel good. And it says that's got to feel good. No, it doesn't feel good at all, SpadaBatt. High ball. I got that on my computer too. I think you're slimmed down since then.

So you're good. A year later. You're skinny, isish. We made the charts for the first time this year on January 1st. That feels like a pretty, that feels pretty good. It's an early win.

I made the charts early. Do you guys look at your Spotify wrapped like your, you know, your top listen to artists. What's all going on with that? It's become a thing. Let's go through them. I'm an Amazon music guy.

Well, hold on. I don't even have Spotify. It's become. What, That's such a large thing. It's become a thing on the internet where now people make fun of you if you talk about your Spotify Rap. At first it was a cool thing.

And now a couple of years down the road, people like, oh, you're going to share your Spotify wrapped. But I'm down to share Spotify Raft if you guys want to. I'll share Spotify Rep. I hate the people that say, it's so fucking everyone's going to Spotify rap. Yeah, we all listen to music. Music's a huge part of my life. All right, let's hear it.

All right, my top artists, one through five this year of the year 2021. Yep. Foo Fighters at number one. Foo Fighters. It was always the Foo Fighters. Ladies and gentlemen. The Foo Fighters. All right.

Number two, DMAs. I've talked a lot about the DMAs. They're an Australian band. Their song Silver fucking Slaps. It's one of those songs that sounds like it's been around for 35 years. And you know every word, even though it's your first time listening to it. Number three, a little band that you may have heard, Led Zeppelin. Popular.

Number four, and this may be a shocker, because of the, of the guy on this podcast introduced me to this man. So thank you to Trent. And I was, I was fighting back on this guy. Sturgle Simpson comes in my fourth most listened to artists of the year. I cannot tell you how happy that makes me. Because you and I have gotten in a lot of discussions,

discussions about Sturgle Simpson. You were like, oh, is he really this, you know, alternative country outlaw type guy or is he in the studio? And then I think what you said is he recording this music. and then hopping into a Tesla is what you said.

Right. His newest album, like with old dude and it's a story about his grandfather. And I just didn't know anything about him. I didn't know his story. I didn't know how cool he was. I thought it was like, this guy's trying to like, I don't know, make us think he's this real deep Southern playing the banjo bluegrass music. And then he just like puts in his AirPods, gets in his Tesla and goes home to his modern home.

Like he's singing about like the struggle of Washington and all this stuff. but I've listened to him on Joe Rogan. I've listened to him on other podcasts and I've watched videos on him. Fucking awesome. That guy is incredible and his music is unbelievable. He's the real deal, man. And then fifth for me is a real shocker to the system, but it's Haley Williams, the front woman of Paramore. Her solo albums are fucking nuts.

It's the ultimate album to just listen to while it's like raining out or you're walking down the street in New York City. It's kind of got like John Mayer vibes with her voice. She may have the best singing voice on the planet. So yeah, Food Fighters, DMAs, Led Zeppelin, Sturgle-Simson, Haley Williams, my top five. I think it's a good list. Thank you. That is a nice list. My top five, I think, are probably going to be really similar to my top five last year.

My number one, I think it's every year, Eric Church. There you go. My favorite musician in the world is Eric Church. So that makes sense. Number two, Morgan Wallin. Number three, Bruce Springsteen. Number four, Hardy, our guy Hardy. And number five is Cole Swindell.

So two of those guys we've had on the show. Yeah, that's a good list. All right, I'll do mine. I've been country fan. Clearly, I like country music. So that's interesting that you say that. So I, for most of my life, have not been a country fan. For whatever reason, I've just denied it.

I've been a hip-hop guy forever. But this last year, I really got into like the Sturgle-Simpson alternative country of the world. So my number one is Tyler Childers. Wow. He's basically, so I discovered. Sturgle Simpson in my own life. I didn't discover him as a star, but I got into Sturgel Simpson and I found Tyler Childers after that, and I just got obsessed with him. Him and Sturgel are my one and two. Something about that country music that they play is just, I love it and I can't stop listening

to it. So they're my one and two. I listen to them all year. Number three, action Bronson, rapper. Threatened to throw KFC through a wall. Yeah, through a table, right? Through a table or through a wall when they were interviewing him a couple years ago white bronco white bronco all right you know that that's good love action bronson number four drake you know nice people can talk shit about drake but there's a reason he is the most popular artist in the world he just makes good music he makes really good music for 10 years he's been making great music and i listen to him all the time um you don't have to justify your drake love i think that's not i just feel like i have to sometimes people are like whatever um and then my fifth

you guys are not going to know who this person is um west side gun nope yeah so nothing who's that what is he's a rapper okay buffalo all right you're not going to know who he is but he he makes really good music too um and that's my top five all right fortunately amazon doesn't give that so i i got nothing why are you on amazon music why are you on amazon music because i through amazon prime it's like free for me so i just that's what i use it's like if i can just get the music for free and I'm not paying for it. I'll just do that. Is there a podcast even on Amazon? Is it just Spotify? Yeah, you can get podcasts.

Oh, you can. Spotify, it's one of the greatest things they do for their marketing all year. It's just like the people that don't have Spotify, like Lurch feel like a little idiot. I actually feel a little left out right now. Right. Maybe I should switch over and get Spotify. Next year you're going to strive to like try and have a good top five. Well, you'd think they would get.

I would just like scourging like, or what's the word on the scrounging? No. Scourgy? Scurgy? Scurgy? Scurgy? I was looking through the app trying to find like

where is like my notables where is the ones that I play and I'm just not seeing it. If you had to guess. Also like Spotify is 999 a month. It's like how much you gamble on a football game? I actually, I got to put a stop to that.

It's just 999 a month. Right. No, no. I mean there's definitely like I could do it financially. It's not. It's just. I don't know.

For me, in this sense, it's like I can get all my music on this, so I just use this. And so I don't know. But I am feeling, this feels like when you just got like an inferior tool, though, right now. Like, you know, like you just have like your cool cell phone and I don't. It is Christmas and we all got cool presents. Yeah, you all have tailor-made clubs and I'm still sitting with like some, I don't know, I could really throw a dig in a lot of companies right there. Shitty, shitty company.

Yeah, exactly. What do you think is your number one artist of the year? You had to guess. Might be the band. Might be the band. And then probably the Luminaires. And then I've been listening to a lot of Marcus King. And then I would just say like country station, just like in general, just like a lot of country that gets played.

And then probably Bruce Springsteen would be the top five, something like that. Bruce. Home town guy, you know, got to represent him. But yeah, I would say probably something like that. For me, the Food Fighters released an album this year, so that's what was just on repeat, just listening to a new food album. And then I had this third, in my top five songs, three of them are from the Food Fighters album. One of them is that song, Silver I was just talking about by DMA's. And the third most listened to song I just had on repeat was the most random band that you guys have never heard of,

which I can't believe they didn't make it into my top five because I've listened to this song so much. It's called Feeding the Family by Spacey Jane, another Australian band that I found through DMAs, everyone go listen to it. The vibes are fucking off the charts. It's just the coolest song of all time. And you're going to want to listen to it. It's going to be in your top five next year. It's just something about this band,

Spacey Jane and DMAs. I fucking love Australian bands, man. I want to go back to Australia just to listen to their music on their radio. They're killing the game right now, Australia. They are fucking killing the game. You know what Thursday is when the show comes out, by the way? What?

Oh, Kenny G. Day. Oh, shit. Today's Kenny G day? I put it in my calendar. I just looked at it. No work. Oh, happy Kenny G day to everybody. December 2nd, 2021.

Kenny G. Day. Listen to miracles. I mean, if you're not listening to Mirrors. Oh, no, his new album's coming out, right? The new one's coming out. And he's got that doc coming out, whatever. I don't know if that's out yet.

Wow. That's amazing. I've been listening to Miracles because I had never really listened to it. I'm sure I've heard the songs on it, but never. or like purposely listen to the album. It is a delight. Isn't it what I explained? Isn't it like the songs you just knew?

Like when you think of some of those songs, like that's the original song. Absolutely. You've heard in stores or on commercials or in movies. Yes. It's just the like the default version of those songs. Correct. It's incredible.

Yeah. All right, boys. Oh, you guys like my Christmas tree, by the way? Love it. Yeah. You know, it's actually got some like, It's rough around the edges, which makes it look almost real. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I picked a good one. I went to Lowe's, and I kind of scoured. It took me, I probably looked at it for 15 minutes of different options, but it needs some ornaments. I just set it up this morning. Scoured is the word you were looking for. Scoured, yeah. And Riggs, are those lights, like, pre-attached?

Oh, yeah, I didn't have to do shit. This thing, whole thing took five minutes. You just literally set it up, plug it in. There's no Christmas spirit in that, man. You don't set up the Christmas tree. How about you stop telling people how to celebrate their Christmas? Dude, you don't put the lights up on your Christmas tree? What are we even doing here?

Look at that one. Oh, did you put the lights up or did you make your dad make a make a makeshift thing to put it up? You don't put up the lights. I didn't make him, dude. I said this year I was pissed off. Look at the color option. I said I was upset that I missed him. I was at work.

I came back and he did it on a warm day. I would have done it. I did it last year with them in the year before that. If you have real Christmas spirit, you don't. tell people how to celebrate their Christmases. The things that happened during Christmas are you put the lights up. If you don't have the lights and the ornaments on the Christmas tree, what are you doing? I see lights on Riggs's tree.

Yes, someone at a factory. Someone at a factory did it. What are we even doing? By the way, we have to read off the... I got it pulled up here. The pole? I got the pole. Yeah, read the fucking poll, you loser.

So we talked about in last show and it became a topic of conversation in the office. you would imagine real tree versus fake tree. And I said, I said on the podcast that I thought it would be 50-50. And I was pretty fucking close. So there's about 7,000 votes. 49% said real Christmas tree. Wow.

49. That shocks me. Political election, that's a loss, folks. Fake Christmas tree, if you, you know, if you're a numbers person, 51%. All right. So if you're a numbers person on Instagram, I put up the same poll.

Less interaction on Instagram because people just don't click those things. So about, I don't know how to do this math, but maybe 3,500, 3,600 votes. Okay. 1,889 for real tree, 1,718 for fake tree. So we had about 180 more for the real tree, but still, like, pretty much 50-50. It's close. To me, it balances out to 50-50. Yeah.

Give that to you. That's fine. I will say I judged every single person that, because on Instagram, you can see who voted for what. And like people like, I judged every person that hit fake Christmas tree. I mean, Rob, Robbie Fox, see you later. I mean, come on, dude. It was crazy because on this podcast, we were talking about it, I was outnumbered three to one. And then when I brought it up to the office out there, me and KFC started going around and asking people. And five people in a row said fake tree.

So it's, you just never know. what you're going to get when you bring that question. 50-50. KFC tried to make me cry. I was saying, and I said this to Frankie when we were talking about out there, whenever I get in an argument when I'm outnumbered like that, I want to call a timeout and I'm going to walk around and I'm going to bring Kevin in here because he is the best arguer, maybe on planet Earth.

He really is, man. He goes, what are you bringing fucking insects and animals into your house? And then he's bringing up stats. There's 20,000 insects in every single Christmas tree. there's 12 deaths that are associated with real Christmas trees by saw or by car accident or by falling also like what I said is there's probably more deaths

associated with fake Christmas trees of people fucking jumping off the roofs of these factories and other these fucking third world countries so sorry to Jesus Christ it turns into I'm sorry to bring you to fuck I mean if you really want to talk about deaths that are associated with fucking I don't I don't I don't Jesus Christ.

That's the guy who was fighting for his life yesterday in the office. Yeah. Really? Are we talking about deaths? Happy Kenny G. Day, everyone. Merry Christmas. It's December. And check out the band and episode tonight.

I have to go. I have a lunch to go too. But Hero World Challenge. Great field. It's a cash grab. They go. I think the last place makes $100 grand. So usually the best part about it is Tiger Woods plays, but he's not.

So they're still really good talent. You can watch best players in the world play some golf in the Bahamas. time that's all I got hit it hard hit it hard hit hard hit hard hit hard