Fore Play - Tiger Week at Torrey w/ Swing Coach Sean Foley

Episode Date: January 23, 2018

Tiger Woods is BACK in action at Torrey Pines and his former swing coach Sean Foley joins the show. Sean talks all about what it was like working side by side with Tiger for four years from 2010-2014, what he thinks of his game now, his scientific theories on the golf swing, and what makes Justin Rose's game so pure. In From The Gallery, the guys share their most heinous/embarrassing stories from the course, and Frankie reveals he bought his father, an avid gimmicky club user, a brand new club from an infomercial!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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of course, as we just laid out, playing over at Tori Pines, where he has won eight times as a professional. Now, we are going to get into serious Tiger talk with Sean Foley, who was the swing coach for Tiger from 2010 to 2014. He's currently still the swing coach for guys like Justin Rose, Sewo Kim, Danny Willett. Might have heard of those guys. They've all won massive tournaments. Yep. Not to spoil that interview in any way, but he is surprised, Sean is surprised that anybody is surprised by. anything Tiger is doing, which is very good news for guys like you and I, because he just

thinks Tiger is going to do Tiger things and hopefully play well, and that's what we're hoping for as well. He did. He basically said anyone who is shocked or appalled at how good Tiger looks just simply doesn't understand that when that guy's healthy, he can do pretty much anything in the golf world. Sometimes I think we get too far into it and we get too, like, in our heads about Tiger, but if you just zoom back a little bit, it is what Sean is saying. It's just Tiger is the best to ever do it. can even grab a little bit of that, he can be just as good as these guys on tour, probably even better than them. And I think that's the attitude I'm going to take going into Tori Pines.

It's not like, oh, is he healthy? Is he going to play well? Is he going to do this? It's just this is a guy who I've seen do it enough. And if he's healthy, if the fusion works, and I know region. Fusion, boy, let's go. If that works, then it's going to be fine. The talent is going to work itself out.

He seems to be in a good headspace and where he's out right now. He's thinking clearly, like Sean Foley will say in the future here. It's just I'm going to go into it and he's going to play well, and that's all it's going to be. So he's obviously won at Tori a bunch of times as we talked about. There have been a couple narratives in the last couple months that Tori's, you know, tougher now. It's a little, maybe too tough on a guy coming back from being off for so long, guy that's struggling with confidence. Brandl came on this very show and said, look, if he's driving the ball anything like he was in the Bahamas, which we have no reason to believe that he won't, then Tori's not going to be a problem for him.

He said he can hit it basically past a lot of the trouble, a lot of the bunkers that he was kind of ending up in the last few times that he's shot. struggled there. Chipping at Tori is not overly difficult. It's not the type of stuff that we saw down in the Bahamas. So even if that is maybe the weaker part of his game, hopefully it won't stand out as much or hopefully he's got it cleaned up, whatever. I was talking to my good pal today.

He asked me what I really thought. I thought I would be, I will actually be surprised if Tiger doesn't finish inside the top 20. I just think even with, you know, when he played with Obama last week and then he was over at the Harmon's. studio there. I think it was Claude Harmon who said he was just amazed at how good Tiger looked, what he saw. So, all of that being said, Tiger going into Tori,

I'm very confident. More so than I was last year. He missed the cut last year. And then a week later, he went to Dubai and basically died. I think Tiger's confident as well. I know there is the narrative out there that he might not be as confident and that might be because

of the chipping. But in terms of like off the driver with the, off the T, He's going to be just as confident as ever, I think. I think he's going to be just fine. We have Sean Fulian for about 45 minutes, so we get into plenty more of that. There's tons of golf headlines from this past weekend. There were kind of two major events going on. We had John Round won in a playoff.

His second win on tour rises, rises, rises, the number two. Rises. In the official world golf rankings, absolutely amazing. And just a little over a year's time, he, of course, won his inaugural tour or his first tour event at Torrey Pines last year. So he is with that chip in eagle on the 72nd hole, which was awesome. So he's going to be coming in as the defending champ, also coming in off just winning a couple days ago,

also coming in after just rising to number two in the world. So John Rob, I mean, we've been talking about him on this podcast for several weeks now. He's kind of perhaps this villain that we wanted. Now everyone's coming out as being like, Ray's actually a really nice guy. He's friends with all those guys. Boo! Not what we want to hear.

But anyway, John Rahm, unbelievably impressive. It would be won in the fourth playoff hole over Andrew Landry, who actually made a gutsy-ass, I don't know, 15 or so footer to get into the playoff in the 72nd hole. So there was some good stuff to see there. Two weeks in row with these playoffs. Long playoffs. Didn't look like it was going to end yesterday either.

Yeah, and they were doing the thing where they were like, how much daylight do you think we have left? And it's like, well, maybe one more hole. And then Rob Birdie, the fourth playoff hole from the right rough, really impressive stuff. Over in Dubai, there was a phenomenal field. Rory made his first start in three and a half months. DJ was over there. Tommy Fleetwood ended up winning it, but Rory had a phenomenal, phenomenal showing. He has essentially kind of shown that he's making a charge this year.

He's making a concerted effort to really give it everything he's got. He said he might play 30 events. He took three and a half months off. He looked good. He looked healthy. What did you think, Trent? I mean, as long as he's healthy, then anything is possible. Because last year he had the rib injury.

Yeah, but there's that narrative. that he's kind of complacent and all that. But I think he is at a point now where we are so far removed from when he was, you know, on top of the world and there's so many other guys who have now filled that void, that it's at this point in time where I think he is going to start to get that edge back. I'm not denying that there are points throughout his career where he becomes complacent. I'm not even saying reportedly. I just think that's the way it is.

And I know he would dance around it if you asked him or he might not. He might face it head on. That's why he's one of the best interviews in the game. But I think he's at a point now where that 2014 season is, so far in the rear view where people don't even really remember him for that. And he's now the narrative is he hurt all the time? And is he complacent? I think he hates that shit.

And I think we are now in a place where if he plays a full schedule and he stays healthy, we are going to get a whole bunch of wins out of Rory. Yeah, the stuff I've heard since he kind of made his comeback, hit the media center last week, the comments that he's made, how he looked this past week. I think Rory is going to have a phenomenal year, kind of a rebound year. He hasn't won a major in almost four years, about three and a half years. He's never won at Augusta.

So I'm kind of of the belief that he's basically making a full-scale assault on Augusta National and trying to finally kind of close out that career grand slam. I'm very here for underdog Rory. It doesn't seem like we'd ever be in a position where 28-year-old four-time major winner, Rory McElroy was going to be an underdog. But it does feel that way. It definitely does. And yeah, I mean, it's not that he doesn't always want to win,

but I think, again, with Rory, you know, he got married just after Augusta last year. He had been injured for a while leading up to it. So it just feels obviously like a significantly different approach that he's able to take this year. And I'm expecting big, big things from Roy McElroy, which we talked about 2018 golf, adding that to the mix, adding that to DJ, who just won by, you know, eight shots in Hawaii. Adding that to Justin Thomas, who's coming off five wins and winning every damn thing you can pretty much win last year. Coming on coming in with Jordan Spee, who won a major championship last year. Tiger Woods, who's healthy again. Justin Rose had an unbelievable fall where he was on.

on Fuego. We talk a little Justin Rose with his swing coach, Sean Foley. So a lot of good stuff going into golf. We are, I mean, every single week, Trent, leading up to it, we're just getting more and more fucking excited. I would love to see as many final group pairings of DJ and Rory as my, as like I can get it full up. Like, I want as many of those we can get. Maybe throw a couple John Roms in there too. But I feel like we're going to see a lot of final pairings between Rory and DJ and just fucking missiles taken off. It was awesome watching those two guys.

They played together first couple rounds over in Dubai. and they were number one and two in driving distance on tour last year, and they were just roasting drives out driving each other here and there. Awesome, awesome to see. And then we always get the, golf is so fun to watch when you watch this. It's like the Aaron Judge. Oh, and I'm completely blanking on the Houston Astros second basement name.

Jose Altovae. Yep. You get those pictures of DJ and Rory walking down the fairways. Yep. It's great because DJ is so much bigger than Rory. So much bigger. And Rory was number one, number, number, Numero last year on driving distance and tour. I feel like you definitely chirpses about that.

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slash foreplay. Frankie Borelli is now in the house four from the gallery. Going to be really quick this week. We got a lot of other content. We got obviously a lot of Tiger Talk. We got Sean Foley. Now we got Frankie Borelli, the pizza maker. We're going to start with one.

We're going to hop right in from Brendan. Brendan's question is inspired by Frankie's issue at the bridges, where he basically got run out of the place by a bunch of elderly folks. Everybody should remember that story. I mean, it's the worst. It's one of the worst things that's ever happened to me. We did get a Google Maps image of it, and you can see where Frankie maybe had made the mistake, but it's still pretty bad. It's one of the things I'll remember for the rest of my life.

I will never, ever be able to golf with a peace of mind. Every time I go up to a practice facility, I will now always have to look around, which kind of sucks. Like always looking over your back. Yeah, definitely. Although, like, I should just never make this. Not being comfortable in a practice facility is the worst thing. I should never make this mistake again, though. I should never make the mistake.

in the first place. But you never know what happens. With Frankie Brilla, anything's possible on a golf course. See, I'm surprised you said you should have never made the mistake in the first place because you've been pretty adamantly defending that, like, it was an impossible mistake not to me. Meaning, like, I should never have made the mistake in the first place, meaning like that place is the only place in the world that would have that practice facility, that close

to a hole that's only 60 yards. And the whole situation, I didn't know it was on a part three course. I didn't know that that was a hole. Like, it's impossible for all those scenarios to ever happen. again, I think, personally. Yeah, I agree. And you're going to be just crazy conscious of, is this a golf hole?

I may be on an actual driving range and be shaking. I refuse to hit here. I'm not convinced this is a driver. I'm going to see that old man driving behind me in my sleep. Just I hear the golf cart coming out. We got to get a sketch artist in, and I want like a picture of what this guy looks like. Yeah, it was your, dude. It's really standard.

You know a run-of-the-mill old guy? You know who you, the listeners could, if the listeners don't know what Mike Port and I looks like, picture what you think, Mike Portnoy looks like, and then that's what this guy looks like. Okay. I'm picturing a guy that Mike Portnoy would look like. Gotcha. That makes any sense.

You could mix up Mike Portnoy and this guy that kicked you off the course very easily. Right. All right. So Brendan asked, what is each of your guys most heinous golf story? He used a couple other words to, like, heinous, embarrassing, crazy, whatever. I would say my most embarrassing golf story is, so I was, it was just a classic, like, two-on-two. match play, you know, four ball match play with my boys. We go to a playoff.

We're on like the third playoff hole at the famous Franklin Park, which is the course that we talked about. It gets super lit. There's like fucking massive tailgates and loud music in the parking lot and shit. But it's an old school, like kind of an old classic course that used to be kind of sick in Boston. Bobby Jones used to play there. But now it's just kind of a public track in the middle of, you know, kind of a run. down-ish area, Boston.

Anyways, we go to, like, the fourth playoff hole, which kind of brings you back by the clubhouse. And it's like a two-tier green. And I'm on the green regulation, but I'm on, like, the wrong tier. And I'm kind of putting like shit. So I put one up. I leave it way short, like 12 feet short or something. Terrible. Other guy, like, two putts.

He's in for par. No problem. I got to make par. I'm going to make this to have the match. I'm already, like, pissed, like, doing my thing. I can totally. I can see. High-strung.

Riggs, before I even hit the pot. Like, what the fuck was that, you virgin? Like, what kind of put was that? So I stand over it, miss. And I two-hand, overhand tomahawk my putter. Wow. Like you're throwing an axe. Like an axe.

Like an axe. Like a really heavy axe. Yep. But I throw it at the carts. Ooh. Smokes the cart. Hits the cart path and then bounces over. And I go over it was like my Scotty Cameron.

That was like all like banged up. So this is a scene. It made noise. And it's relative. close to the clubhouse. So there's this fucking scene there around the clubhouse. So people are like looking at me. I'm like not smiling and laughing.

I'm like pissed. My buddies like don't know how to react. They're like, it's just a golf match. Like fucking relax. So then like on the way home by like halfway through the way home, somebody was like, are we going to talk about? Like they pull over the shoulder. Rags we need to speak.

I mean, the putter probably is going like 110 miles an hour. I mean, it was like an overhand, two hand tomahawk. insane move. Like the most insane move I've ever Fault. Is that the only time you've ever done that? Yeah. I mean, overhand tomahawk, what is that? I don't know. I mean, it sounds very... You know what that sounds terrifying is what that sounds like?

If you fall to your knees or something, that's normal, you like put your hands over your head, like a double tomahawk over the head. Like, what is that? I can't even picture what I would do on that green if I saw you do that. I think I would... That's the whole thing. It's a scene now. Now it's a scene. Now everyone's looking. The people on the other holes will look. The people in the clubhouse are looking.

You're immediately embarrassed. If it hits the grass, it doesn't make any noise. you just go pick it up and everyone's like, yeah, you threw his putter, but whatever that happens. The end of the cart's like, well, now he's in a barrace. What was your move immediately after it made contact with all that stuff? Do you just stand there and kind of mope around? Did you speak out of the fuck, sorry?

No, I like moped over there alone. I don't think I said sorry to anybody. I think I just moped over there alone. I shook everybody's hand. It was like good match. Right. Looked him in the eye. Took your hat off, obviously.

But I just moped over there, picked up my putter, like kind of pretended like nothing was wrong. Nothing happened. And then we laughed and I was like, yeah, that was a weird move. You know those guys on the green When you were walking over that club Like holy Yeah and they just won the match

And they were like this is great Right Fucking greatest moment ever Riggs is like kill myself I haven't seen that angle I didn't think of that Like when you beat someone And they just completely just melt

To have a breakdown It's like awkward But it's like a good You beat them physically and mentally It's like a satisfying awkward Right But I guess for them I don't know

I was the meltout guy It was bad It was very embarrassing Trent what do you got Well mine should probably be the time I got hitting the ass by Paige Sparantic when we played golf together. Oh, yeah. That was great.

That's not going to be my answer. That was great. If anybody, you everyone. She wasn't even close. I love Paige to death. Paige wasn't. She's hit one out of your mouth. She's a bunch out of your mouth really well.

Yeah. The one on your ass. She missed the ball by six inches. When we shot that first video, not that one, but the one where she hit out of my mouth, she had it out of my mouth like five times. Like, because we wanted to get all the angles. So, and then one time she tries to hit out of my ass. And she just chunked the whole thing God.

I mean, yeah, it's better that way than the other way. Thank God that's the first time she hit you. The bruising on your ass. Imagine if that was your face. Do you still feel things from that impact? In my ass? Yeah. No, it actually recovered way faster than I thought it was going to.

And it looked worse. That's how bruises always are. They look worse than they feel. And that bruise looked like it was never going to recover. That bruise was, it was black. The first picture we took like four hours later after we had interviewed her is like, when I first showed it to you guys and you guys, and you guys reacted like I had like blood pouring out of my asshole.

That was like the scariest 10 seconds of my life. It was so red. It was crazy. It was the craziest thing ever. But no, that is not my story. My story is, so my dad is a, he's a big golfer. He's the reason I got into golf. And we always play on this course back home called St. Andrews.

Wow. It's the real home of golf. It's in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. There was a St. Andrews in St. Charles, Missouri for a while, too, where I grew up. And we just like, when we were really young, we just didn't know. We're like, oh, yeah, it's like, course is famous up by her house. Yeah. I was the same way with St. Andrews once I finally learned about the home of golf.

I was a little offended that Cedar Rapids got won up by the St. Andrews and Cedar Rapids is the real home of golf. Shout out to anybody who plays out there. But so I'd want to play golf with my dad for a long time. I was probably 7 or 8. I had never played with him, but I knew he liked it a lot. So I always wanted to play with him. And then one day he was like, all right, let's go out there and play 18 at St. Which is very exciting to me as a young boy.

I still get excited thinking about it now. and then so we're playing a little bit it's fun i'm really bad just like i'm pretty bad now but we're having a good time and he gets to the point where he for some reason he told me to drive the cart somewhere i were sitting there and he was like take it over there up around there again i'm very excited i'm even more excited now that he's letting me drive the cart and i drove it uh as fast as i could straight into a tree wow and i bawled my eyes out for like an hour and it was the most embarrassing thing because my dad is like he was like this fucking kid i bring him out here one time and he slams the cart into a tree and cries.

The tree is tough. It was, I was tree. I mean, it's like, if you hit like a creek or something, be like it came out of nowhere, trees like just standing there. Yeah, it's right there. It didn't move. And I ran right into it. And I feel like I shamed my father to that day and to this day already.

So it's tough. That's my story. I mean, that is tough. You don't want to be hitting trees. You're like scared to drive carts now? No, I'm not scared to drive carts. I'm just, I'm scared how my dad feels about me after I drove into a tree. Oh, you definitely went down a couple of notches.

Yeah, like, I mean, I've got a lot of siblings. I'm definitely at the bottom now. For sure. Takes his son out to the golf course. Kids driving all around the place, just driving into tree. And like St. dangerous is his hangout spot too.

The clubhouse is like where all of his pals are hanging out and stuff. And I was definitely like went through that place like a rumor and now, you know, he's ashamed of me, I would imagine. I got a four wheeler stuck in a creek when I was like 14 or 13 or something like that. Yeah. And my dad had to come get it out with his with his truck. He had to like hook a chain up to it and like drag it out and everything.

And to this day, brother and dad think I'm like incapable of operating vehicles. They just think I'm not even close. Anytime we talk about golf, this story always comes up of me hitting a tree. It was like 20 years ago. Right. Like, we'll talk about it.

We go to like a lake trip and we like rent wave runners or something. They're like, well, Riggs can't drive. They can make jokes. Every time you drive one into the trees, like that's not the first time you drove in the tree. They have not done that,

but I hope they don't start. Watch over that tree, Trent, it's like 80 yards away. It's like, Trent, didn't we tell you not to drive into the trees? I feel like that's going to start happening now.

I don't like it. Drive into the trees? Yeah, 20 years later, and I'm still paying for it. You know, because like when you drive? I remember I drove the cart into the tree. And you can also drive a ball into the tree. There's two meanings. A couple meanings.

What's yours, Frankie? So, I mean, I've had a million of them. You've already told tons of them on the show. I'm just a really, really bad person on the golf course, apparently. I think it's all because of my dad. My dad has taught me how to disrespect golf courses without teaching me how to disrespect golf courses. He's just always tried to gain an edge on people.

He's always tried to. That's just how Frank Borelli works. He's like, he's joking. How he's wired, man. Yeah, he's just like, it's not malicious, but it's like. Like, I had to learn how to hide the fact that he was using an illegal club around the greens. And you did a good job with it. Right.

And that thing real quick. Grab it quick. Always have it face down. Like, and I was always looking out for him when he's talking about it on a popular golf podcast. You're really good at hiding. Always face down kills me. Like the fact that that's on his brain. Like, no, no, no, son.

Face down. Face down. Bricky, face down. Jesus Christ. to expose them. So, yeah, so those things, I guess, are embarrassing things that we do. But one that sticks out for me that I haven't told yet is I was caddying at the Rockville-Links Country Club.

This is the second place I had caddy. Actually, the caddy master, one of the caddies at Garden City Men's Club, which is like a really prestigious country club. The Garden City is supposed to be awesome. It's unbelievable. It's always in the top 100 golf courses in the U.S., and it's like, hit in it's awesome. Um, one of the caddies from there actually went over to Rockville Links and became like the caddy master bad guy at Rockville Links. I was like, oh, I'm going to go there.

I'm going to get the best loops and all this stuff, right? So I was really comfortable at Rockville Links. It was more of a family place. They have this huge clubhouse right behind the first tee and the 18th green and the ninth green and the 10th T. So it's like everything is around this huge white clubhouse. Okay. So we're playing, every, I'd say, Monday and Wednesday we'd play a match. Well, Mondays it was open to just the caddies

And like Wednesdays we were able to go play the golf course After we looped, right? So 4 o'clock we'd all get in golf cards And we'd all play. Coming down the 18th hole in a match one day And there was a barbecue going on At the Rockville Lynx Golf Club, right? So I'm coming down the 18th hole.

Oh, God, I'm getting like squirmish off. Yeah, my palms are sweating. So don't go on the table. I say I'm about what, like 16 years old, 50, about 16 years old, 15 years old, years old. I'm swinging pretty well. I'm playing high school golf. I'm hitting the ball far. But for some reason, I always needed the range finder to know, like, how far I was, right? And I was always fucked up when I played high school golf, like, because I couldn't use the rangefinder. It's illegal.

We're playing in a match that they're not, these guys are pretty serious that we're playing with. These caddies, they take it very seriously. We're not using range finders. They're like, you guys are all caddies. You should know the golf course, right? Which is fair. We're playing the course that we work at. I'm about like 160 yards away. and kind of behind a tree, right? So I think to myself, all right, I'm going to take this hybrid and just kind of like punch it very hard, but it's going to roll up to the green.

I had this whole vision in my head that I was going to make an unbelievable shot, kind of like the one that we saw Rory McElroy. I know he didn't use a hybrid. Right, a punch out. Like right in front of the green, it's going to be great. So you're 1-6, you got a hybrid in my hand. I got a hybrid in my hand, and I'm a lefty,

so I have to hook it around the tree kind of, right? Anyway. So I'm on the right side of the fairway behind a tree hybrid. I connect on this ball so well. And it draws so much that this, all of a sudden, I make contact. And 10 seconds later we hear, and it just destroyed a window. Into the clubhouse. And everyone's screaming.

Like, everyone's like, it's a commotion. Like, people are like, like, a gunshot just went off at the barbecue. It's a scene. standing in the fairway. Like, I took five steps out to the left, and I'm just looking. And I look back to my boys. I'm like, holy fuck. There's no way I just broke.

There's no way I just broke that window. There's no way I have to go now deal with this when I walk up to the green. I was shaking. I was shitting. I couldn't believe what I did. I was, I'm like getting hot right now, just thinking. They're going to be like, there's no way somebody hit the ball 50 yards over the green. There's no way.

It's by far. I hit this ball 210 yards. 160 shot. The most over the green ball ever. And there's a line drive. It's right into the window. And my God, was this such a bad moment for me that I don't think I'll ever forget it. And the craziest thing was the next like couple days.

Well, anyway, I went up to the green and people, it's a commotion. Waiters are coming out. Everyone's looking at the window. I'm just like, I'm sorry. It was me. Like I said, I'm sorry. And no one's answering me. They're just like, who is this?

Like, because you're a slave kind of when you're like the, you know what I mean? Like, you're like, you're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, their worker. You're not like, you're not one of them, like when you're a 16 year old caddy. And I don't know anyone at the country club. So I actually felt like I was like a lesser person. And to do this to their place was like, I mean, I'm getting hot just thinking about the looks I got. Like it's crazy. I'm like, I'm just, you know, they never asked me to pay for it. They're just like whatever. Like I end up going to the caddy master. I'm like, listen, this is what I did today. And he's like, Jesus Christ, Frankie. Like, why are you doing? What are you doing to me, Frank?

15 years old. Like you're like, you're making a scene. Like, what are you? Stop making a scene. Stop making scenes. Just become invisible basically. Right. Go just walk around invisibly.

Nobody noticed you. So that happened. The next, but the craziest thing is it was kind of like kept hush-hush that I was the one that did it. I never really felt any, like the next day going to work, I felt like I was going to be, like hang from the tree or something. And what happened was I went there and like no one said anything. And like other caddies like didn't even find out it was me.

Like people kept it hush-hush. I don't know why. It's a little catty code there. A little catty. code like the guys were there like I was the one that did I mean there was some chirps like I heard people I mean no I said I had no I had no in at this place other than my friend who was the guy so like I none of the caddies really knew me none of the guys really liked me I can just like the general manager of the club going over to like the the caddy barn and be on like so which one of these guys did

it and all the guys all the caddies being like did what right no snitching right no snitching they didn't really know me at the time I only knew the one guy Chris so it's like it's a matter of like I mean kids like, I mean, they could have just been, this kid's just making a scene and you'd get this fucking kid out of here. He's here for a month and he's shattering glasses. Yeah, so I'll always remember that one. It's really bad. Jesus Christ.

We're a disaster. We shouldn't be taken out to golf courses. True. We're crashing carts or breaking windows. We're tomahawk and putters over people. Yeah, you were telling Riggs that he made a scene. It sounds like you made a scene. I don't look so bad.

You look. You look. Mine was just so innocent. I'll never forget the look of when I was very guilty. I walked out onto the. fairway and I leaned out and I'm like where'd that ball go man? It just shattered a glass like the top of the glass on the first floor so it was like it made it it just a whole rippled down just oh oh man I mean I'm sorry Rockville I'm sorry

so Frankie also told us that he got a present for his father yeah that's right so we just talked about how my dad has always tried to get one up on people around the golf course. He's a huge fake golf club guy. He wants anything. Which to his, so to his defense, his father, my grandfather, the one who started the restaurant, very Italian. Oh, and very like just everything he saw on the infomercial on TV, he had it. So it's like, hey, grandpa, did you see this?

Already on it. Like anything. So my dad's kind of like that same way where it's like anything he sees on TV, it works. Anything he reads in a magazine, it works. Yep. I mean, I'll get to what I bought him. Let me tell you this. I'll get to what I've born.

I once told. We love Mr. Brilly. This is a safe space. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's the greatest. You don't have to,

you don't have to disclaimer it. We all know. We're all familiar. Before I get to the golf club, I told my dad once that I read somewhere on an internet, on the, on an internet website that if you open up your, so if you're, if you're,

if you're, if you're facing the, you're addressing the ball with your driver. You turn your hip before you, before you sling. And it's supposed to, open up your hips. And it's supposed to go belly button to belly button.

Get the fuck that. The guy still does it to the same. I was like 12 when I'm like, oh, someone mentioned to me. I saw this old guy. Like, I think I saw it on the internet. And, like, I also saw some guy at the local public golf course, like, giving me tips because I was young. And I remember you open the hip before you take the club back.

You open up. So my dad addresses. Your club is not moving. Your hip's back. Your club is on the ground behind the tee. And all of a sudden, he just does this, just a little. So, he's just. His hips are now open.

He's addressing the ball. His hip is actually facing. His hip is facing... It's your... Do the hip turn, Frank? So he's addressing the ball, and all of a sudden it's just this. So now he's standing like this.

I know people can't... Yeah, I got a video. Okay, perfect. And then he swings. So he's... Once he swings, his hip is already in the spot that your hip is supposed to be. Do you understand?

Yes, I do. So it's supposed to... The video's incredible. Right. So it's supposed to give you a advantage. But I'm like, Dad, just use your hips more. Anyway, this is the type of guy that he is. A decade ago, he's still rocking the early hip.

It's so funny when you watch him just load up. Every time I see him do the hip, I watch this one. Here it comes. Here comes this drive. That's not why you're doing it. Anyway, so he's a... He loves clubs. He loves clubs.

And I'm looking online one day. It's his birthday coming up. It was coming up, and I'm like, oh, my God, look at this thing. It's called the square, the square strike. It's a green club. This golf club is meant for the, it's called the unflubable wedge. You cannot flubb little shots around the green. This was made for my dad.

This thing is, so if you watch Golf Channel, like, this is like the late night repeat coverage. This is like every other commercial. Right. Is the square strike. And it is literally like a brick on the end of a club that they like. elevated a little bit that they put loft on and you just kind of like you just you hit it like a you hit it like a put you hit it like a put and the ball just pops up in the air and goes right to the hole every single time he is going to love this by the way we just got it it just came in first thing does

he takes it out to the front yard which was like I mean it's like high grass not really like golf course grass and he starts hitting balls around the front yard this thing's great he just loves I was laughing out I got to take a video of him taking it next time he just takes a a little swing and the ball just goes right up in the air and just plops. I mean, that's going to be the best gift you ever got to him. I bet he loves it.

The square strike, if people haven't seen the commercial, it is incredible. Like, they show some clown, like, chunking it with a normal wedge out of the bunker, like five times. And then they're like, but with the square strike and the person just does, like,

a short little putt, putt motion. It's incredible. The ball just goes, what? Right up and rolls on it. What we need to do, this is our new life mission is we need to get Mr. Brelli in a square strike commercial. Like, have him doing an infomercial. Like, literally in the commercial.

Yes. In the commercial, have him in it. That would be great. Yeah, because he's like, I am the one that's flubbing the shot, and I am the one that wants to not flub the shot anymore. So I'm going to buy this golf club. That's the whole thought process. I flub shots.

This club does not flub. I'm buying that golf club. He's not alone. Right. There's no way he's alone. I think the square strike is selling out. I saw a commercial. It's so heavy.

It's so bottom heavy. It's so insane. I didn't realize that. I thought they made it like light. It's like heavy at the bottom. It's heavy. So you can't really flub it. You can't go into the ground.

it doesn't let you. It's so perfectly weighted that it's like a putter. It's as heavy as like a nice putter. If I'm playing against the guy and he's 15 yards off the green, he uses the square strike. He pulls out the square strike. It bumps one up there. I'm going to lose my mind. Yeah, because older players like to do the bump and runs for some reason. Love it. Right. It's a big old guy move. Right. I think we talked about it. They'll take out the seven iron, the eight iron. This is made for them because they can take the same stroke that they do with the seven iron and it has more loft. And it has this huge bottom to the golf club where. It just goes right through it. It's crazy, man. That's incredible. All right.

Frankie Borelli, Mr. Borelli with the square strike. Next up, we got a bunch of Tiger Talk, all kinds of good golf talk with Sean Foley. We're going to hop in right now. Enjoy this interview with Sean Foley. All right. This interview with Sean Foley is brought to you by our friends at Bet DSI. Playoffs are here. The Super Bowl is a couple weeks away.

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Sean Foley, I got to give a shout out to my guy, Jeff, our PR guy over at Golf Channel, who gave me all this long jargon, which I'm not going to read the whole thing. It's very simple. If you follow golf at all, you know who Sean Foley is, coach Tiger Woods for about four years for 2010 and 2014 currently has a phenomenal stable. Justin Rose, Siwu Kim, who's the reigning players champ, Danny Willett, 2016 Masters champ. So Sean's recently joined Golf Channel this year. You will be doing playing lessons, which I believe is a.

is it kind of a resurgence of old playing lessons or a new show? Yeah, it's, you know, they have had in the past, first of all, thanks for having me on the show, but in the past they ran it and we thought we would do it again, but from a different angle rather than just having a host who plays golf as having a host who knows and works amongst all these men and women that we would be showing to the golf world. Yeah, I remember the playing lessons with the pros,

and yeah, you play a couple holes or nine holes with the pros, and they'd be like, well, in order to do that, I just do this. And sometimes it'd be like, well, I mean, it's easy to say that you just do it. Rather than that way. Yeah, no, it's good. When they get it to that place in their head, then that's a good spot, right? That's why we're watching them on a weekend.

That's very, very true. Also, a big part of your role is Revolution Golf. For anybody out there that doesn't exactly? know, Sean, the details of Revolution Golf. Why don't you kind of tell them a little bit about that? Yeah, Revolution Golf was started by my friend Justin Tupper some years ago up in New York City. And Justin kind of had the ultimate trifect of skill to start an online instruction theme. So what he did was he went to film school.

He was very savvy about computers and the Internet. And he was a good player, a very good player. So he kind of, you know, between the Internet, obviously, one, the ability to produce material, two, and then three, being a very good golfer, kind of understanding the game. That's kind of what I would say, the trifected to the success behind Revolution Golf. So I've been with Revolution Golf for three years or so, and it was just purchased by the Golf Channel in the last year. So, you know, we're probably gone from two million viewers to anywhere between 10 and 15. 15 as we get it going and get it started. So myself, Cameron McCormick, who works with Speed, Andrew Rice, Martin Chuck,

Jim McLean, and Martin Hall, all excellent teachers, you know, download DVDs and information onto Revolutiongolf.com. And basically, for what is an extremely good value, you know, all of us can come to you live in your living room. And I just don't think in the past. there was that kind of opportunity. If you wanted to, when I was 20 and I wanted to go learn for the best, or some of the best, you know,

I would go from Canada down to Florida and hopefully, you know, shadow some of these pros to see what they were doing and saying. So, you know, in the age of technology, with the accelerated level that it's at, you know, it's a lot easier to be in, you can be in a million cities in one night. Yeah, it's really awesome, especially this day and age. I mean, you know, we live on the Internet.

Our jobs are basically on the Internet digital. So Revolution Golf, taking it all there, being able to access it, you know, whenever and wherever people want is a no-brainer step. So it's great. It's awesome that Golf Channel, you know, pick that up in the last year, especially to have a guy like you. You know, you're on the range a lot. You're there with the pros.

You're going to be contributing to Golf Channel's live from coverage as well. So let's just hop right into it. Then let's not beat around the bush. Tiger Woods, he's back this week. You know, he's obviously the biggest draw in golf. Everybody's really excited. You've all seen, we've all seen 72 holes from Tiger now. He's posted a bunch of swings on social media.

What are your thoughts of Tiger's action so far? Yeah, I think Tiger looks great, you know. I think that it's never in question of what he can do when he feels healthy. And, I mean, he, you know, he won where we're going, Tori Pines. he won the U.S. open on a broken tibia and a torn ACL. So, I mean, that's pretty incredible. I think the current status of his golf swing, it reminds me of, you know, it basically looks exactly like Tiger.

It's just obviously a 41-year-old version. So I think everyone's trying to look for too much in it. I think he hit the ball quite well. He had good speed off the T. He had some absolutely tiger-like long. iron and and you know fairway wood from 275 to 10 feet I mean there's not many guys who have ever been able to do that so and the one thing I felt really good about for Tiger is inside of 10 feet he looked almost flawless so I don't know why

people are surprised and why people even ask like do you think he'll do well if he's as healthy as he says he is and he's been working the way we know he works if I saw him contend this week, I wouldn't be surprised. And if there was some rust, I wouldn't be surprised either. I mean, as great as he is, golf has always been hard for him and everyone else. I mean, he made it look easy, but I'm sure he'll tell you that it's tough. Clearly. So look, it's just great. Like, I remember my first tour event, 2007 with Stephen Ames, was there. And I remember being at the back of the range when Tiger was warming up. And I was so glad that Stephen hit the ball well because I don't even know if I watched him

hit one shot. I was so busy looking over at Tiger and, you know, that's a long time ago. I mean, gosh, that's 10 years ago. I can't even believe that, to be honest with you. That reminds me of Chubs and Happy Gilmore. He's just reading the magazine. He's like, yeah, he's got a head down. Looks good. I was basically doing that, but it was Tiger. You know, if me and Stephen are both honest, he took a couple looks too, you know what I mean? Yeah, oh, yeah. I mean, how do you not? You know, the thing about Tiger, and I tell the story, quite often. But it's on a different level, like, say, for example, like Messi in soccer, right? Yep. I don't care much for soccer. I think it's a great sport for kids and it's a great sport,

but it's just not my thing. But I will devier our games that he's playing just to watch him. And, you know, I feel the same about the NBA, but if LeBron's on, you're probably going to watch it. If the Greek freaks on, I'm probably going to watch it. So, you know, I think that what happens is I'm sitting at Tucson one year at the world match play, and all the guys have won their first match. So all four of them went on the second match. And so I was doing a daily Canadian ritual, which is a celebration of two beers for all you're grateful for. Very nice. That's awesome.

We might have to adopt that, Sean. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know. And there's this lady, this attractive older woman, probably like in her 50s. And I could tell she was like she had seen me. And by that point, I'd kind of got a radar after working with Tiger to know when people are about to either approach you or don't know how it comes in. It's just like a spotty sense, but it comes right.

And so she came over and she said, I just need to know. Are you Sean Foley? I said, I am. And she said, my name is doctor. Gosh, I can't remember her name. But it all went away after she said what she said. She says, I'm a dentist. And I'm here to watch a tournament.

I said, oh, so you're a big golfer. And she's like, no, I've never played golf in my life. And I'm like, okay. She's like, my kids have grown up now, and it's just me and my dental practice. And I take 10 weeks off a year, and I go to some of the less busy tournaments that Tiger's playing in his schedule. And I said, can I ask you why? And she said, well, you know, I said, but she don't play golf. She goes, no, it's not like that.

She said, for me, it's like having a chance, like, in the flesh of seeing like an all-leet. Wow. That's amazing. And that was powerful, right? I mean, that was so regardless of, you know, what people do and the mistakes they make. I mean, the fact of the matter is if all of us had the kind of attention that Tiger had on them always, none of us would look like a saint, you know, either. So, you know, I think maybe the time off that he's had, maybe there's been a great reckoning of clarity.

And maybe, you know, maybe he's got to a place in his mind that, you know, he understands where he's at and where he's headed. Like I said, I just wouldn't be surprised. Remember, he's 42 years old. I mean, Fred Couples is contended twice at the Masters and he's 50. And Bernard Longer has done the same. So, I mean, obviously, look, if those guys can do it, it's all possible. If it's possible for anyone, then it's obviously possible for the big man.

I mean, you're feeding it to us. We're two of the biggest Tiger guys in the world. so we're all jacked up here and that. It's funny you told that story about that lady because, you know, I can't remember who it was. I think it was one of the Golf Channel analysts a few years ago, and somebody asked him, you know, why is there so much coverage on Tiger?

He hasn't won in a while, blah, blah, blah. And their answer was, you know, if you took an alien from outer space and you dropped him at the Masters with no fans there whatsoever, that alien within a couple hours would gravitate towards Tiger Woods and watch them and be like, I don't know what it is, I just have to watch that guy play golf. Yeah, of course.

you know, it's, you know, just all these things that he's done, you know what I mean, when you thought he was down and out in the mid-2000s, and no, he's not. And, yeah, I mean, look, is he 25 or 27 or 28 anymore? Will Justin Thomas be as good at 40 as he is at this age? I think golf kind of has, you know, if any sport has the ability that you can be, you know, the firepower is maybe not what it used to be. There's only five or six players on tour. Whoever hit 180 in ball speed on a practice session.

So the fact that he was doing it pretty much consistently and then kind of hitting those real roofy long irons, like straight up in the air once. Look, you can give me all the money in the world. And if you don't have that speed and that understanding of impact, you just can't teach people to do that. That's exactly what those players have. So look, you know what?

It's going to be bonkers. It's going to be millions of people out there. And rightfully so, because a guy like that only comes along, you know, once or twice in a lifetime. But, you know, just the way he came in and what he's done up to this point. You know, last time when he was, say, 75% healthy, he won five times in eight weeks. So, you know, it's – oh, yeah. Why not, you know? And I think it's good for some of these younger players.

I mean, they love having them out there. And, you know, he's softened. I mean, when did he ever talk about playing putting contests with Ricky and Justin and talking to speak about this? And never did anything like that. Like, it was always very much, you know, very much cloak and dagger. And I get it, like, in a world of where you're that famous, it's like privacy is impossible to come by. And, you know, you can become a little bit, you know, you can become a little bit, like, too focused on what's going on around you and who's taken a piece.

I mean, the thing about Tiger, it's fascinating, right? Think about it. Almost every person who's ever been connected to him has benefited much more from knowing him than he has from knowing them. So none of us know what that's like, you know? None of us know what that's like. And then it's easy, right? I love sitting there sitting there last night.

And I'm not a big football fan or anything like that, but my son loves it. So we're watching Tom Brady and the Patriots. Yep. And it's not, see, I don't even say the Patriots. What did I say? I said, Tom Brady, right? That's right.

Tom Brady first. There's a lot of people who don't, there's a lot of people aren't going to turn on farmers insurance. They're going to turn on Tiger, right? 100%. You know, I mean, once again, right? You admire people that you can't do what they do. So 11th postseason come back in fourth quarter.

Come on. I mean, you know, it's unbelievable. And so, well, you know, we're watching it. We're watching it. We're watching it. And you just know you're looking at something that's just, that's just incredible. like that this guy just, the harder it gets, the more clear it seems to become for him. Or it's not.

Maybe he's just always constant and everyone else starts choking. I'm not sure. But it actually might be that. Let me ask you this then. You know, in 2010, you start working with Tiger. You know, I'll never forget those images you out there kind of holding the driver over his head and trying to keep them still. So, you know, out of nowhere, kind of you become a part of this.

You know, just what you talked about, the legacy, the fact that it transcends golf. Now all of a sudden, you know, you're a part of it. it you're one of tigers guys you know how much does that sort of change your your life at the time you know i know you met you already said you got a lot more notoriety but even just your day-to-day goals yeah but your focuses just being a part of it even notoriety and all that things are saying if you if you see it properly it's it's it's all just a made-up hallucination that doesn't matter my kids my kids care if i'm present in their life i don't care if they see me on tv so when you when you kind of get to that point where you you you you you

You're kind of standing there above a lot of things. You can finally see it for the first time in your life that maybe most of what you were after isn't what you were after. And that's kind of a humbling kind of crazy feeling, to be honest with you. So, you know, just standing there and, you know, just, you know, I'd like to think that everything in my world has changed around me. But I think if you talk to the people who know me the best, I'm probably the best version of the best version of, myself right now. So that would be the, that would be me, like, understanding the necessity for gratitude that comes from humility. And the fact is that in our job, you know, we're only as good as they are. So, you know, depending on what they're going on through in their life or if they're

injured or whatever, we can look like all kinds of things. But for the most part, you know, these guys, they go out there for five hours and it makes all the noise and the wind and all that and, you know, consistently play good golf. And so that's something I've never, ever been able to accomplish. So I think that that, you know, being able to admire that in someone, that's what we see in Tiger. We don't see ourselves in Tiger because we just, we've never had that level of success and that level of, of dominant. So I think that, you know, hopefully bygones will be bygones and, you know, people will leave their judgments to themselves. laughing, laugh. And he's laughing, like, Tom Brady threw a pass. And the guy next to me, he's like,

should never went that way. And I'm thinking, you've never even stood on that. Who the hell are you, buddy? Hey? You know what? I wouldn't have thrown the path. I've been running to the sidelines, so I can be killed. But, yeah, so I'm excited, you know, San Diego, love Tiger. Tiger love San Diego. And it should be, regardless of how he plays, it's just, for me, as a guy who is friends with Tiger, and we went through a lot together because it was kind of,

I was there when he was trying to navigate new waters. And, you know, to see him be able to go out and just play golf and play golf again. That makes me very happy. I mean, I'd be thrilled if he, like, if he kicked butt. But just to see him out there on the course, it's great for everybody, but especially him.

not about us, it's about him. Yeah, I was going to ask you because, you know, when you first started working with Tiger, it was, you know, he was in a pretty, you know, vulnerable position. He comes to you where there moments, you know, around that time where you're sitting there with Tiger, you're on the range, there's no media around,

and you're thinking, you know, like, I just really want to help this fucking guy. Like, I want to get him back. I want to be a part of it. Like, let's do this. Yeah, I mean, of course. You know, of course, but, you know, anyone's just speculating if they could even pretend what it would be like to go from basically a deity to a punchline overnight and you know to kind of be invincible and to becoming visible for maybe the first time ever i mean basically if you think about tiger he always knew what everyone was thinking always knew and so when something happens and you don't anymore you've become quite like us you've become quite mortal in the sense that you start thinking about more than you need to but you're

which gets in the way of clarity from being able to execute what you need to do. And so I just have, I just have, I'm just, I just suspect that he's found some of that clarity again. And, you know, just to just to listen to his interviews down when he was in Albany, I said this many times. But he used the word grateful like 17 times in one week. I've never even seen that. So that's the thing, right? Gratitude can only come from one thing. It can only come from humility.

I love when we have our kids and we're telling them they need to be grateful for what they have and they're six and they have no idea because they've never had anything else. It doesn't really work, you know what? So you're not really grateful for your parents until you go to school and realize you have no idea how to live. Right, no clue. You got no clue. How much did it mean to you then to, you know, see him in 2013. He wins five times.

He wins a player's championship. He ascends the number one in the world. how much of that mean to you? Yeah, I mean, that's cool. You know, like I said, that's super cool. You have to do your best to really not think, you know, you got to cross the T's and dot the eyes and stuff, but you just realize that these guys going out there and performing

that it is about them. And you can do all the right things and they don't play well. You could do all the wrong things. They shoot 29 in the front nine. I mean, you just don't know, right? It's very tricky. It's complex. And, you know, I was just glad that he kind of silenced, you know, whatever critics that he wanted to.

I don't think he has to at this point. Like, I mean, gosh, what do you have to prove, right? You've done it all, like, done it all on multiple occasions. But still, it always has to feel good, you know, to get that validation. But, yeah, no, it was, yeah, look, you know what? The only critics that I worry about are the ones that I coach. and so is the players I coach. So it doesn't, the outside world, I understand there's a massive industry out there

where there's TV, there's this, there's that. I understand that people have the rights of their own opinion, and that's great. And so the reason you don't really take criticism to heart is because, you know, they're just like, they're just throwing mud at the wall, right? They're just guessing. They have absolutely no idea of what's actually going on unless they seek you out and speak to you. but the amount of times that that ever happened was super minimal. I mean, period.

So they kind of have to be, you know, he's doing this and this and this and this. So, you know, what do you do? You just kind of watch it and you kind of giggle. It's like, you know, it's easy to lose respect for, it's easy to lose respect for people, like, in a large way. But you understand, like, look, man, it's all just part of the show, right? I mean, I think the FedEx Cup has been $650 million over the next 10 years. So, of course, professional golfers have generated this massive industry and, you know, a television show like the golf channel around what it is that they, what they do. So, you know, you just kind of go about your business and stay true to who you are and let everyone just think what they think.

They're allowed to. It's cool. So you've often been described as having sort of a scientific approach to the golf swing, to teaching the golf swing. In your own words, what exactly does this mean? Well, I mean, the thing is it's 2018. I mean, unfortunately, you know, current administration has defunded science, which I think is all a bad idea. But as far as science goes, the word science sometimes is like a swear word,

depending on where you're at. And golf has a game of feel, it's a game of touch. Sure, it's all that. But the fact of the matter is you have a flat surface hitting a round object, at massive velocities that fall under all of Duton's laws. You have the human body that's rooted to the ground, that's generating force in the way that it pushes against the ground in the different directions it does. And all of that turns into Fred Couples. But the idea of like, you know, when you aren't playing well, just swing easy with good tempo.

I mean, look, that doesn't work, right? I know plenty of people have great tempo and they hit it out of bounce five times. That's never worked for me ever. No, it doesn't work. So the fact of the matter is when people say there's a thousand ways of swing in golf club. There's not. There's a thousand ways it'll look. But if it's done effectively and efficiently, there'll be a certain amount of hip rotation.

The right knee will slightly lengthen as the left knee slightly shortens. The head and neck will be moving at an angle. The ribs will be doing something. So if you looked on 3D at Jim Furrick and Adam Scott, I mean, they'd be eerily similar in so many places. but if you looked at them on video, you'd be like, how can that be the same? So why would we not, if we have the ability, one, why would I ever guess when I can measure?

Two, why use two dimensions when I have three dimensions so I can see what's going on in the body, so the rotations, the velocities, the speeds, and put a track man out on the range so that I get, you know, extremely much better than my eye. can tell me and I've seen as many golf shots as anyone who's 43 years old. Why wouldn't I do that, man? I think that the key is in all of this because it's so fast and so quick is that you have to be careful.

Like you can harm these players very easily and not just these players but amateurs. I mean, some of the things that people are asking people to do who sit in an office desk for, you know, 45 hours a week, and then they're in the car. So they're basically seated. Everything that needs to have motion and activation is shut off. And then we're trying to get them to increase their club at speed. And, I mean, gosh, I mean, all the torque on the back, the wrist, the neck. So if I had it my way, I was going to have people to be golf instructors to a certain extent.

It would be somewhat like, okay, you go to teachers college and you can teach first graders. and then you can move on to a master's and teach high school. Well, if you want to teach in university, you've got to have a PhD. And I think that that needs to be done because a lot of my friends in the sports world say golf is by far the most complex movement of any sport. And we're trying to create all this power and torque and tilt and rotation and all that to hit a still object. So we can really, to an extent, we can hyper define what that is.

like in baseball, you know, the second baseman. He does side-to-side drills, right? So he can move side-to-side quick. But he doesn't really know where the ball's going to be coming. So he doesn't work dramatically on the same thing. And the problem with doing the same thing over and over is that that is when you put yourself at the highest risk for injury. And so, you know, the lumbar spine in the lower back, it has like 10 degrees of rotation.

but a lot of people are teaching people to keep their lower body still and turn against it for some, you know, phantom power source that doesn't exist. It's like watch long drive guys. They, on the back swing and down swing and through swing their feet don't even look like they're on the ground. So it's, you know, it's the scientific method is exactly what people will do when they go to their accountants. It's exactly what they'll use when they go and see the doctor in the ER. I mean, imagine going in with your arm pointed the other way, and the doctor going, we'll just set that. We're not going to take a look at it. You'd never let them do that.

So, you know, hopefully we're starting to, you know, break through the fog a little bit and getting people to understand that these tools used properly are very helpful. And I believe right now worldwide, with social media and all, I believe that people in every country taking a golf lesson are probably at the ideal time. to get the best value and have the highest chances of success and probability because there's been so much myth busting. That's been done. But, yeah, I mean, it's, you can overdo it. I've overdone it before. But just because I do all that, doesn't mean I teach that way.

So, I mean, for me, I have 12-year-olds in front of me all the time. So say I wanted to get a kid to, I want him to extend his spine so he can get home and in that case, then I'm going to get the center of mass of the club behind the net force vector of his hand path on the down swing. And so what I do is I go in and get a, you know, get a bar tray and get him to pretend that he's holding waters at the top of the back swing. So I don't tell him any of what I just told you. Well, I hope not because I don't. Yeah, it's a different language. I think you're just showing off now with that there, Sean.

But that, but that's what it is, though, right? I mean, that is that all I'm ever trying to manage in someone's transition is where are their hands going and where's their club head. I'm not concerned about plane. I mean, if plane, if swinging on plane was a true principle of golf, then Jim Furek would have never made a living. Lee Trevino would have never made a living. Look at Sergio. Sergio takes it up one way, comes down the other way. But what they're doing, they're all doing the same thing.

They had it going up and then they had it flattening on the way down. Some people call it shallowing. Some people call it whatever. those are still words to define getting the center of math of the club behind the hands. And so that's kind of what we're after, but it's basically how simple can you then say, this is it. And then, you know, the thing with technology now to is using, you know,

using the K-vast, I can put the K-player on someone where I can put in the computer, like how much I want them to bend and rotate. and when they do it right, the sound comes on. So they can hear, like as soon as the sound comes on, they have auditory proof that, like, as far as their body, has moved in the right way. So guys can work on their back swing in their hotel rooms. I can send them a program to their hotel room,

and they could do 30 minutes of reps at night without hitting balls. So the nice part about that is they get to build a new movement, but without hitting balls and having to deal with all that force that you generate, and then accepting the force that's not gone into the ball. So it's all, look, this is all stuff they're doing in every other sport for the longest time. We're just a little bit behind as far as measurement and data goes. And when we start bringing those things in, people say, you know, you've got to keep it simple. But I don't know if you keep certain things simple, you'll never understand them.

So Justin Rose, one of your guys, he's very often commented or considered to have one of the more fundamentally sound golf. swings in the world. What makes his golf swings stand out, in your opinion, as, you know, maybe the closest confidant to his swing in the world? What makes his swing stand out as, you know, one of the most sound in the game? Well, Rosie's, uh, Justin is like, he's a very nice athlete. He's got great hand-eye coordination. He's got excellent balance. He's quite strong and dynamic. They're strong like muscle beat strong and then there's athletic strong. He, he is not really limited as an athlete. I mean, this is a kind of guy who doesn't play to other sports because obviously we're not trying to play other sports and hurt ourselves.

But if he picks up a tennis racket, it's like, okay, that looks easy. You know, ping pong, easy, just anything like that. I'm sure he can do most all of it, right? But he's a big man too, you know, Justin's like 6'3, almost 195. And so, you know, he's been highly touted since he was 12 years old. So that's the one thing that people need to understand. By the time we start working with him, they're very capable. Now, when we start working with them, they may have forgot that they're capable, but that's just what we're there for is just to remind them, like, you know, all that's good in you lies in you. You don't need anything from me. I can help you to understand certain concepts or why certain things happen because a player, and to some extent, never going to go there in his mind because they're trying to stay free of all that type of thinking. So, you know, we've done a lot of work in the last almost nine years, I think, that I've worked with Rosie. And, uh,

basically you know I'm so grateful for him one he's like a family member to me but but two just as a as a client because his just inability to ever be satisfied with anything and he does it in a healthy way has just pushed me to know more and more and more and more and more and more and more and you know we won twice in 2010 our first year together and you wanted to start to hit it further so You know, we had to go, me and his trainer and all that went down the rabbit hole there. I mean, he's now top 12 long as guys on tour. But how we did all that stuff, I would never have known to do that before in how to do those things.

So it's been an incredible relationship. What does that rabbit hole look like in terms of, okay, we're going to hit it further. We have to consult with both strength coach with, you know, Sean, who's our swing guy. Where does that start and how do you decide kind of more wholesomely to get that? there? Well, I mean, it's based on hydration. It's based on diet. It's based on sleep. It's based on functional medicine. So seeing, you know, has a nervous system, the circulatory system is the body doesn't recover. Like, it's all good to go and train. Problem is, is that with training, is that human beings, and I certainly did, had no idea. But human beings, for the most part,

guys, don't understand what the word recover means. And so, you know, we go into the gym and we lift and we lift and we lift. And lifting weights is fine. Like I don't like hearing commentators talk about fitness like it's a bad thing when this country has an epidemic of child obesity. And here we're all knocking people who work out. We can't be doing that. Not to get too tangential. No, that's okay.

Trent's just started working out. He's on a big kick on the elliptical this year. Yep. We had Gary Player on this podcast. And he, if you have a chance to listen to that, because he gets you all sorts of motivated. I got on an elliptical because of that podcast. He had all the listeners running through walls, Sean. I've done, I've done a couple outings.

I mean, there's nothing more funny in the world. Seeing him at like 80 pick up his club over his head and start squatting his dog. Yeah, he was basically yelling at our listeners. Like, if you're not parking your car as far as possible from your destination and then running up the stairs, you're like the laziest piece of shit in the world. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely

It was great. The bedside manner could be a little clear. It was great. You know, he's definitely passionate. But I think that, you know, all that stuff is good, right? And, you know, basically, if you want to do something like that, first got to make sure that you have got, the word flexible is not the right word.

You have good mobility. So mobility through the joints, through all the different joints. It's not just about, like, we're connected through this tensegity of tissue. So it's about being able to move in all these different planes of movement directions. And second, then you have to be stable. So you have the movement, but then you have the stability in the joint. Then you are safe from that point to go more into strength.

And then once you're strong enough, stable and have good mobility, then you can go into power. But a lot of people just try to go into power first, and that's game over. Because you have to get the nervous system of the brain ready for that kind of load. And, you know, if you look at human beings over the way, you know, if you look at human beings over the end, you know, look at human beings over evolution, very rarely did we lift something, did we lift something, you know, most people, like really quickly, only three times. So it, so when you look at how it goes, you got to be pretty prepared for all that. So you got to have diet that goes. I'm saying if you do it the right way, look, we went from 110 to 122 miles an hour clobet speed

in five years. It wasn't five months. It was kind of like two miles. this year, two miles this year, two miles this year. And, you know, to be able to do that from 31 until 37 is pretty impressive. But like I said, hats off to Rosie because he did so much work. It's easy to research it and go, hey, try this. I think this is going to help. But he has to sit there and grind it out. So, yeah, I mean, the guy's a consummate pro.

You know, I tell anyone out there watching golf right now. you know, put Justin Rose on their shot tracker on the PGA Tour app or whatnot, and follow Justin because he's an elegant guy, he's a class act, he's a kind man, but he's, I mean, there's about six guys in the world, and he's one of them, and those are the guys that if they do everything well during the week, they're going to be right there. But, you know, in this current discussion, DJ, John Rom, I mean, rightfully so. These guys are incredible.

But Justin Rose at 37, he's not even close to done yet. Yeah, it is really interesting to hear that, you know, because a lot of people think, okay, he wants to go pick up some distance. Let's just get his club position maybe, I don't know, a little bit more upright, fire the hips, and boom, we should be good. No, there's an unbelievable amount that goes into that. Well, you've got to remember, right? But you got to remember, right, force precedes every motion.

So if someone, when we want to measure players, I mean, obviously, because you measure their club at speed and their ball speed, right? But, you know, there's probably 40 of us in the world or 50 of us in the world who have, like, very expensive force plates. And look, when you put longer hitters on the force plates, they generate more force. And in order for me to be able to generate force, then I'll be able to contract muscles.

I have to be strong and I have to be quick. So it's not just strong. It's also quick. It's kind of like Edelman, you know, like it's not so much Randy Moss just dead out speed but it's the ability to change direction quickly generate force quickly and then you know and then from there is let it turn into speed so and then the thing is is you speed this thing up driver goes through at 120 miles an hour weighs roughly about 100 pounds in space at that

point and then less than a thousand of a second later you're holding you're pretty finished I mean it's that's there's a lot going on there there's a lot going on have you ever uh have you ever on the range told told a guy something and then it was wrong and you had to be like oh it was just a disaster and you had to be like hey man like that was actually a bad idea we're not going to do that oh i mean like you mean like every 10 minutes right i mean that that would be that that would be the funny thing that's been the 10 years ago i'd have been like yeah no and now it's kind of like all i'm doing is keeping track of and i'm doing that so it's um You know, it's, like I said, all the theory is awesome, but it's the application, which is where the art is, and that's not always easy because sometimes you may not be there. Sometimes you may be at home in your head.

You're missing your kids, and they might not even want to be there that day. I know it's hard for people to think, like a PGA tour player, might not want to be there. But you know what? You're not playing good. You're kind of sore, and then you have to go and play Southcores at Tori three times, and that's embarrassing. So, you know, it's, remember, we're all human beings,

So it's all going on like that, you know? And I have, I have, I know what I know I've personally given probably over $30,000 in refund. Because what I would do is I would have taught something. And then I go to a course and learn from a biomechanist on something. And then as I was sitting there, I could see all the kids who I tried to get to do something that they couldn't do. So the only way I could really sleep is to do that. And, you know, I give the money back. I have given the money back.

Yeah, absolutely. Never give the money back. And then in other times, I've worked with players who didn't play very well under me, and so she didn't charge them. And so that, you know, that's why I base what I do on a commission because if you feast, I feast. And if you don't, I don't. And I like the way that is, it feels kind of like that's kind of the adrenaline for me. It's like when I'm out there watching them, I feel like I'm a trader watching the markets. And it's funny.

You come to know what every shot is worth. it's quite classic. But yeah, I mean, look, I'm grateful, man, to be doing what I enjoy, something that's been with me since I'm, you know, 10 years old, so pretty much 33 years. And here now in Orlando, up at Lake Mary at the Fully Performance Academy, we have, you know, where the kids come from the school year and they go to Lake Mary prep and, and so I do that, you know, probably 50 days a year as well. So I'm very fortunate to be, you know, you know, to be sponsored by Nike for 11 years. These are all things like, for me, it's, I guess,

the reason that I probably haven't changed is because a lot of it is still just kicking in. Like, I'm still just, you know, I'm thrilled with where everything's at. But, you know, you're only as good as your last round in golf. And so hopefully, you know, this year we have less of those than more of those. but sometimes the really bad ones are the ones that inspire great play like two months later. You just have to get through that. Just have to get through that point.

It's a very Canadian guy move to be like, sorry and give the money back. Yeah. Yeah, in Canada, you know, the person who gets rear-ended gets out. So, you know, sorry to stop. I'm also glad you brought up the Nike sponsorship. I was going to say you're by far the most stylish golf coach that I think anyone has ever come across. they make it pretty easy for me I think that

some I've always been into like ever since I I think because I grew up so small like I'm like five foot six I think when I was younger probably fashion was a way to take the attention off my height if I'm being completely honest

that's probably what it was it's a little distraction well at some point you know at the time I get to like 22 or 23 I kind of became secure with my insecurities and moved on but it's just always something that stay with me and, you know, Nike make it pretty easy.

The shirts match the shoes, match the sweaters, you know, top, really top apparel and footwear company of all time. So, you know, I'm a big fan of Phil Knight and all the people at Nike have always been so good to me. So, yeah, I wear it to, I wear it with pride. If you're going to go to work, I mean, at least it just, my dad told me the first step is just look like you know what you're doing. Yeah, it was funny. we put out a little tweet and said, you know, if anybody's got any questions for Sean Foley, let us know. And like half of them were about your fashion.

A couple of people asked if you had some sort of like digital science product going on in your glasses. There are a lot of questions around your fashion. Yeah, no. I mean, yeah, that's hopefully sometimes that's all I'm standing out there for. I'll tell you what, I've been, I've been at major championships with my guys in the last group or last couple groups, just standing there on the range, just begging them, like, please do not hit it bad to the right. You're just like, God, I hope I look good because I'm not going to say anything.

They say, what do you think? And I'm like, I think we're one off the lead, so we're probably doing all right. We probably don't have to do a whole lot right now. You can't fake it for 54 holes around this wind's my place. No, that's right. You sure can. You keep doing what you're doing and call me when you're done. That's awesome, man.

Well, you sound very humble, which is great. We like humble guys. We really appreciate you taking the time. And hey, man, keep up the good work out there. Everybody can find you on Golf Channel. We'll be following along. Yeah, and then we have, I'm not myself on Instagram or any of the social media. Obviously, it's with Golf Channel that takes care of a lot of that.

But the Foley Performance Academy is what my assistance, they run that. So you can kind of keep up with what our kids are doing. And we got some special kids and really good young players who are also great people. doing that and playing lessons with the pros. I'm about to start shooting those. We're going to have one of my young players that I've coached since he was about 14, Cameron Champ, who's from, he's on the web.com,

but he's famed for his 200 ball speed on the golf course. And he's a special player. I finished the summer as number one amateur in America. And then the big, the big Samoan from Utah, Tony Fee now, who is just a world-class player and even probably a better guy. So yeah, we're going to, we'll be coming live to your living rooms

and hope that I can provide you with the, ask them the right questions so you can get the right answers. I mean, a lot of these guys are where they're at because they understand how to play the game. It's not necessarily what they're doing when they're playing. It's just the overall, you know, understanding of when you get a bad card and when you get a good card. And, you know, that's how it goes.

So thanks for having me on, guys. and we'll talk to you in the future, eh? All right, thanks, Sean. I pulled it up on Instagram for everybody out there. It is Fully Performance Academy. I found it real quick, so go follow along and keep up the good work, ma'am. All right, guys, all the best, eh? What a humble, cool, Canadian guy.

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