Fore Play - Tiger’s Elder Wand, and What Makes You Love A Golf Course?

Episode Date: August 6, 2020

The first major in 13 months is upon us. We get into: Tiger using a new putter, Brooks going for the 3-peat, Riggs’ onsite encounters with Shackelford, JT, Kiz and more, Spieth going for the career grand slam, Rory going for his first major since 2014 and everything PGA. In From The Gallery, how does Tiger store his Elder Wand Scotty when he’s not using it, and what are the most important factors for you when ranking golf courses???You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. The 2020 PGA Championship will be on. You can watch it. You can view it. Almost no one will be there. I will be. It's going to be weird.

It's going to be different, but it is a major. We heard a lot of quotes the last few days from Tiger, from Brooks, from other guys about, you know, the fact that it's a major championship. that they want to win it, that to them it's really not any different. Yeah, maybe Sunday it'll be weird that there won't be the electricity, the crowds, the noise, the roars. But outside of that, guys are gearing up. We're talking a lot about the golf course, about how difficult. It can be the weather, all kinds of stuff to break down.

So let's just get to it. Let's get to the PGA championship to Harding Park, PPC Harding Park. How's your guys feeling and vibe? But we spoke on Monday. Show goes out Tuesday, but we record on Monday. You know, I think a lot of people were in a similar boat of, yeah, I get that it's a major week. It's PGA Championship Week. I'm sure I'll be excited, but I'm not quite there yet.

Kind of the same thing everybody feels about sports in general. I mean, even with baseball, they're piping in fake noise, and some sports are getting it better than others. How do you guys, I've been on site, so it's probably a little bit different. How do you guys feel at this point, Wednesday night, going into PGA week? The endless videos of people throwing balls into the rough to test how deep it is has really gotten me jacked up for it. It's just an endless amount of those videos. And I get why they're doing.

Even like when we were doing the podcast last time, you even like got down to the ground and we're going through it. So that has now to me become like the staple on social media for what's going on. And also the other thing that's got me excited about it is it's going to be primetime golf for us. So on the East Coast, I think coverage starts at 4 p.m. and ends at 10 p.m., Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I love primetime golf.

I always love the start of the season when they're in Hawaii, and we have primetime golf, so it's similar to that. I'm excited about it. Seeing Tiger Practice gets me excited. Seeing you hanging out with Kisner gets me excited. I am. Once the coverage starts tomorrow, I will be excited for the first major of the year. Yeah, watching all the social clips trickle in, and it just feels like it's a different

tournament than it's been in the last couple weeks. Obviously, it is a different tournament. It's a major. but, you know, the one thing that usually separates the majors is the crazy fans, the hype around at the crazy galleries, all that stuff. I didn't know that I was going to feel any different this week than I did the last previous week just watching golf on my couch and just like being able to watch sports. I thought it would be the same feeling. But yeah, I'm getting kind of jacked up for it. Watching Tiger walk around and all black.

It feels like he's wearing black every single day, which is awesome. I mean, I don't know what that's about. Like he's wearing some form of black, which is incredible. Today he looked like a fucking stallion out there. It just looked incredible. Yeah, in the misty, in like the foggy, misty, kind of shitty conditions, and he's in all black. He looks mythical.

He looks really good. Like it comes out of that mythical forest and Harry Potter where the, like the, what do they call those guys who are the horsemen? Oh, the centaurs. Are they centaurs? Centaurs. Centars, but they're just like, they can fly. They can beat the shit.

out of you, they can, they can, they can cuddle you up and bring you to safety. They can do whatever the hell they need to do that to Tiger Woods is right now at Harding Park. I'm actually getting more confidence in him the more, I don't know if it's just because like the pictures you're putting out rigs, but like he looks like he's in a great mood. He's laughing. He's showing people his new putter. It's crazy. Everybody on sites had that exact same take. Like Monday, people were kind of like, yeah, Tiger, you know, it's cold. It's 55 degrees. I don't know. And that he's great in that condition. Today, people walk around the media center, even a lot of those pessimistic fuckers in there.

And they were saying, I think Tiger Woods is here to play. I think it's a very different vibe and feeling than he was at last year's Beth Page. If you remember that of the PGA, it just never really felt right. It never felt like he was 100% into it. He was still kind of coming down from winning the master's. He alluded to that during his presser yesterday where he said, you know, he went to the White House and he was, you know, his priorities weren't maybe where they needed to be for him

to ramp up to major championship week. Now we're getting quotes about him saying his body just knows, right? He has like a internal body clock that knows that a majors around the corner. He looks great swinging. He piped one 317, I think, today off 18. Had some really, really good swings where he's just letting loose. And he is focused. Like on the greens, he's, him and Joey are reading putts together.

They're going through the process. He's doing the whole 360 around the hole and stalking his practice puts, even in the practice round before he buries him. So he's kind of grinding and locked in. It's not even just people paid attention and focusing on social. Like everyone on site, even these journals who don't love to give Tiger and don't like to be as big of fans as Tiger as we are,

are sort of having a, oh, Tiger Woods might be here to play this week type reaction, which is very exciting. And he's catching balls with a T-clunched between two of his fingers, which is really the biggest- Never seen like it. Never see anything like it. Once again, Tiger Woods has proved to the rest of the world why he's one of the greatest athletes to ever live

when you've got a T clenched between two fingers and you are able to catch a ball that someone throws at you. You're one of the greatest to ever do it. And that's got me jacked up for this major. I was with Dave Portnoy today all day doing pizza reviews out in Montauk and that tweet we were driving from place to place and that tweet came across his timeline. And he just stared at me really.

He's like, what is this? And I said, I, like, looked over at a stoplight. I'm like, oh, wow, that's fucking incredible. You said that? Yeah, and he's like, are you fucking kidding me? Just so for, so for the people at home, earlier today, Josh Burrhow, I believe of golf.com, tweeted a picture with the caption. It's a picture of Tiger Woods holding a tea between his pointer and middle finger

and catching a ball that someone has tossed him with a giant red circle around his hand. So you know what to look at. And he said, Josh Burrhouse said, I know he's one of the greatest athletes ever, but I feel like this is a sneaky difficult thing to do to catch this golf ball with a T clenched between his two fingers. And it is. It is kind of sneaky difficult. Like it always, whenever something you have something on one hand, like you just fumble it,

you just can mess it up. But he has just the utmost confidence to do it. It is sneaky difficult. Now, am I saying, is it the most challenging thing to do in the history of the world? But is it a little cherry on top? Yes. I mean, I thought this tweet set back off Twitter for a decade. I mean, it was brutal.

It's just, it makes anyone who, there's a lot of cool things Tiger does. I mean, remember when during the match a year and a half or so ago, when he went to put the flag down and he softened the flags below towards the green by lightly gathering it with his putter and, you know, lightly putting it onto the green. That was something that made me go, wow, Tiger Woods is on another level. I mean, he's got a got, you can hold a golf tea in their hands and catch a ball. New piece of content right there.

Everybody's got to do it tonight and see it out of 10 balls, how many you catch it. Well, everyone in the comments of that tweet did it is one kid put seven pens in his hand and caught 10 balls. Riggs, I almost texted you and was like, you need to do a daily nine where you do nine of them, but you drop every single one of them. Just be like, I just can't do it. I should have texted you. Well, unfortunately that kid did that.

So first hour went to go catch it and he punched the balls away. And he's like, I can't figure it. I think he was trolling, to be honest. You have to. If you do it, you have to purposely drop it. Because, like, I'm saying, I think he was trolling with the original tweet, no? No. No.

I think he was then trying to make it look like he was trolling. because he's getting roasted. What are you having a tums? What are you having right there? No, these are just like a one a day, and then this is a pen. And I'm just throwing it out. Fun fact about one a day is you actually have to take two.

Oh, here we go. You actually have to take two one of days. Serving size on a one a day is two. No, this is one. But you did show me. You proved it to me one time, which boggled my mind and pissed me off at the same time. The balls of someone to say one a day.

and put serving size of two is just, that makes the world just go the opposite. Listen, as much as I want to stick with the Tiger Woods bit, I can't justify saying that that's one of the greatest athletic achievements in the history of time. Like, it's just, I'm not saying I could do it 100% of the time, but I feel like I could do it at about a 75% clip. And if I can do that, then it's just not a great athletic accomplishment.

Your blog made me laugh out loud, Trent. When I opened it up, it said everything I wanted it to say, He just right away, you're like, wow. It's perfect, but it was. It was a preposterous tweet. And even with that going on, Tiger Woods does look phenomenal. He looks really good. We're going to get to much more of that.

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I'm not focused on that. I don't think he gives a shit about that. He showed up to the Zozo Championship last year in Japan, and it felt like we hadn't seen him play golf or any decent golf in months. And he just won that tournament in a lance. I mean, it was never even close. He showed up to the President's Cup. We were there. We were physically there.

We watched the entire thing. He was the best player of the President's Cup, which has several of the best players in the world there. Best player of the President's Cup in a landslide. So Tiger Woods, smiling, yet focused. I like his chances this week. I think he's come a long way since Monday and a lot of people's minds,

and that all is incredibly exciting. I come a long way since Monday because, I mean, if we remember in the last podcast, you said he really had no chance. That's not correct. That's true. I said he's the favorite. I had to pick a venue and, you know, with the weather and everything else,

that I would rank this low on his list. Just replay whatever Riggs said, because it wasn't that. It wasn't what we said, and it certainly wasn't what Rigg said. It was literally what I just said. You and the New York Post are two P's in a pod. New York Post tweeted out. Tiger Woods needs a miracle this week at the BJ Championship. And I was like, what the fuck is going on?

And, you know, Riggs had some similar points to the New York Post. I said Tiger Woods is the favorite. I said that on Monday show, Tuesday show. Jake will find that. But I just ranked the course and the fact that it's 55 fucking degrees and narrow airways low on the list of Tiger Woods majors coming up in the next four or five years. It's not that hard of course. It's not the hard of course.

I gave Frankie a thumping at Harding Park last night on the game. So it was like, I mean, I bet I could go out there right now and win it. So it's not the overall, though. Well, I, you know, I didn't realize we were going to play a marathon session of golf club 2019. I looked at the timer when we were finished up. I was three and a half hours. My back was sore. My legs were numb.

I couldn't feel my feet. Like, it's not built for endurance. I'm just not built for endurance. But I smoked you at Harding Park. So I'm not too worried about hardcore conditions. By the way, we're not just a heads up just while we're talking about it. We said we were going to stream tonight Thursday if you're listening to it, but we didn't realize that the coverage goes so late,

so we will not be streaming tonight, but we will be doing Tuesday, Thursday, next week, so be on the lookout for that. Last Tiger-related thing, New Putter. A lot of chatter about the new putter. He's got the Scotty Newport. I think it's like the 2.0. It's the one with the different weights and a couple different reports about it.

Some saying he's definitely putting it in play, other saying it's going to be a game-time decision. he, according to Steve Stricker, Tiger really likes it. It's a little longer in length, so he doesn't have to bend over as much so he can practice his putting a lot more, which makes a lot of sense. So that would be a good thing for the back. And then another aspect of it is that apparently it's got adjustable weights. We have heard for decades now, Tiger will talk about how he just couldn't get the speed right or, you know, oh, the greens were a little slower than I thought. And I guess instead of having to make that adjustment in your fields or in your judgment calls and your putting and how hard you're hitting it,

he can just tweak the weights in this, Scotty, and that's what he likes because, you know, if the greens, they speed him up from Wednesday to Thursday or they speed them up from Saturday and Sunday or whatever. He can just kind of tweak the weights. Part of me going into this feels like, well, Tiger Woods has won 13 or 14 major championships with that putter. that is the elder wand. That is the thing that he flicked and spun in circles right in front of our faces that had us bedazzled. It's a horrocks. That is the horrocks.

And any other usage of any other putter is not only blasphemous, but it's him searching. It's him trying to find something, which means he's not comfortable. And then the other part of me says, it's tiger fucking wood. You give him a wooden stick. You give him Happy Gilmore's little hockey stick putter. He'll go out there and win because he's the greatest of all time. to give him any driver, persimmed wood,

it doesn't matter. He'll just go out and win because he's better than everyone else and it doesn't matter. So I'm a little torn on the whole thing, but it's Tiger's putter,

so everybody's going to talk about it. Basically, I'm just praying for success. I mean, I don't, do I think it's the right decision? And adding in subtracting weights based on green speed, that seems, like if I'm just going to pick up a new tool

every time and it's going to be a different weight, I don't think that I'm going to have much success with that. Again, I'm not Tiger. So I'm not so, keen on that. But hell, if he's got confidence, confidence is key. And if he thinks that's going to help him make more pucks, then, you know, play with

a hockey stick or whatever you just said, you know? So it's a tricky one. But, yeah, we're rooting for Tiger, but I don't like, I don't, I'm not, that doesn't work for me and I'm not a fan of that. Yeah, I'm not as supportive of the, of the putter change. I want that other putter to just pile up major victories. And Lurch, you said what I was going to say, where changing the weight day to day on a putter seems like a nightmare scenario.

you. I get that it's Tiger Woods. He's the greatest golfer of all time. But I need everything in my bag. And again, I'm not comparing myself to Tiger Woods, but I need everything to be one way. I just need it to be the same all the time. So messing with putterweight just seems like a crazy idea. But again, if he likes it, if it makes him comfortable, if it's going to give him a better chance this week, then God bless. Well, I mean, this sounds forbidden, but it sounds like Bryson's like, oh, no, the green speed's 11. I'll have this weight and I'll always bring it back to my inside toe on a 12-foot putt. You know, and so, like, if it slows down or whatever,

I'll use more weight, less weight, whatever. And Tiger, I position is like a total feel, feel of a bond. So, you know what's weird? I'm kind of on the fence on it. You know, it's been really weird seeing some of the highlights from last couple of years, PGA Championship. And when Tiger barely lost to Brooks at Bel-Riv, he was using that hideous mallet thing.

and I just had erased that from my memory, but them showing the highlight of Tiger having this big putts and he's got this just brutal black like mallet putter that he's using. Of course you can't, he didn't win, he can't win a major championship with that thing. So yeah, it's just, I don't know,

he's supposed to, you want him to show up in the black, in the red, and with his go-to elder one putter, which is a horrooks, and be like the guy and be, you know,

the historical, iconic image and that old Scotty worn out that he's had for 20 years is part of that and him not having it is going to be disconcerning every time. I would love for him to use the old Scotty, but then you can't go ahead, especially Trent, like that comment you just made, he's the greatest of all time, he's Tiger Woods. And then you said, but, like, it just ends right there before you say, but he gets to do whatever the fuck he wants. And if he thinks that he has the best chance to win this week with a crazy butter,

with undulating fucking weights and maybe the things like a, like a jelly bean or like a fucking gummy bear and it moves as he takes the club back. Who gives a fuck? Like if it can get that ball, that rock into that home, then I don't give a shit. And I think that Tiger Woods is evaluating his game more than anyone else on that golf course, even more than Bryson, even more than Rory Mackor, more than Brooks. He knows the way that he needs to play this week because he's Tiger Woods. He's on another level.

Bryson will always be knocking on that door on like intellectual level and like how high he can go for his brain and his like knowledge of the game. he'll never get to Tiger. Tiger will always be pushing him right back down the hill. Yeah, Bryston makes a show of it. He wants to know, he wants you to know that he's working hard intellectually at his golf game. But you know, Tiger Woods is doing all that, and he's just doing it under his own roof, in his putting garage. And then he just shows up and he's like, I'm better than everybody. He's all knowing. He is a higher being. There's nothing that you can do against it, right? It's like when Hercules was brought down from the gods, and then he was a regular person,

but he still had a drip of the gods left in him. And now he's like at the fucking market and he's knocking down all the pillars and shit. And he's like, they're like, why are you such a freak, right? You're one of us, but you have something different. And he's a god. I'm trying to think of the Hercules song, but I can't. Also, remember, if you don't think,

if you don't think Bryson's going to be changing weights in his putter the next two weeks and making people, making sure people know that he's doing it, you're out of your mind. He's like, oh, I didn't even think about changing the weight in my putter. I'm going to start doing that now, no doubt. What the fuck is that fucking song, man? Oh, go to go the distance.

What a fucking song. You got to give us a little bit of it or no? Yeah, give us the touch. I'm trying to think of how it goes, though. I'm trying to think. Go songbird. Let's hear it. Don't be scared.

Hold on. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's like, I am on my way. I can go the distance. Tiger's going to win the PGA. If he can be strong. Oh, beautiful. Whoa.

You even freestyled it a little bit. Wow. I never see you freestyle before. Wow. I felt like I had a little tingle there. I wanted to bring up, somebody had a great, a great from the gallery submission. We're not on from the gallery yet.

It is brought to you by Scott's Longcare, which we're going to get to later. But because we're talking about it, I have to bring it up right now, that Matt submitted a great question. He said, when the news broke the tiger benched his classic Scotty, I wondered, how does Tiger store the elder wand at an event when it's not in use? I assume it's with him at the tournament in the event that he has to call upon it out of the bullpen. So how does he keep it safe?

Is he keep it in the hotel? That doesn't seem like a good idea. Is it in the locker at the course? Is it in a safe? Is it wrapped in something? what method, what situation does Tiger store the elder wand in when he's not using it? I think it's floating in his hotel room in the corner, right? It's like one of those, it almost looks like it's like a 3D thing, just kind of like a, you know,

it's like digital. You can throw your hand through it. But I think it's locked in the air. And I think if you go and grab it, all your nightmares come out, right? Like Trent C's spiders and fucking snakes and shit. or it's like sword in the stone. It's like it's just in something that we try to grab it out of there. It doesn't move.

That's what it is. You're trying to, you're like, if we had to pull up like a heist to steal the elder one, I don't know why that would ever happen. But as soon as we got in there where it's being kept, it would be stored in some sort of stone. And we try to pull it out and we wouldn't be able to do it.

We just, because we don't have the power. Yeah, I feel like it'd be the hotel room, like the minute you, all the other hotel rooms are normal. and then you open the door to Tiger's out of the room and all, you know all those red lasers that go across

and like the Matrix? Exactly. His whole room's covered in those and it's just in the stone thing in the corner, maybe a hologram like Frank E said, all of those things. I do like the idea that like it looks like anyone can just pick it up

and you can't, but then Tiger goes and kind of just twirls it with his fingers. Like it comes up so easily that it feels like it's, yes. It's not in a stone. It's in a golf bag. So it's in a golf bag. and you can't pull it out of the golf bag because we just don't have it. You can attach a car to it and drive away.

It's not coming out. Exactly. That might be the best answer from the gallery that's ever been given by Trent, right? Like that spot, that is what it is. Sword in the stone. Yep. Sword in the stone. Anyways.

Tragorwitz used a new body in the stone, but I mean, you could have really. All right. You know, I did. That's good. I did most little heavy lifting, and then you came in with the nickname. Okay. Okay. Other PGA stuff to talk about.

I was thinking on the way home, driving home, and I was thinking about, wow, okay, there's a fucking major championship tomorrow. Yes, we're all thinking about Tiger Woods. But there's, of course, tons of other really good players. There's a handful of guys that are kind of constantly jostling for this top position that have gone on runs in major championships or been close, or we think they're going to break through.

Rory comes to mind of a guy who pre-COVID, was having a phenomenal season. He's been winning FedEx Cubs, but he hasn't won a major championship since 2014. So tomorrow, this week, begins a chance for guys like Rory, like speak to get back in. Brooks Kebka, who I feel like people haven't even really talked about, maybe it's because, you know,

there's just not as much hype around this major, but Brooks Kebke is looking for his third straight PGA championship. That is such a surprising fact to me. that Brooks Kebke, I think I saw the stat, that he could become the third player in history to win three consecutive years, the same major championship. That's outrageous.

But he might just do it too, right? Like he has been playing like shit for most of the restart. He had, what do you shoot is, 62 at the WGC on Friday or Saturday? I don't remember. But for the most part, he's been playing like garbage. but he could have been playing horrible. He could have missed every single cut leading up to the BJ Championship,

and I'd still put him in the top three to come away with it, because he's just that good at majors and he's that good at PJ Championships by themselves. Well, he also showed his head last weekend. I mean, like he was in the mix until he pulled the drive left that just snuck in the water. It wasn't even that bad of a miss,

but timely, obviously, with the water being there, it makes it a much worse miss. And this is just his MO. So, like, at some point, you have to just give him due for continually saying, like, I'm going to compete the majors, win the majors. And I mean, to the point of Trent, you saying, like, yeah, the rough, spotty rough, it's like his line is like,

well, it's not that hard if you just hit Fairways and Greens. Right. Maybe he just does it again. But, yeah, I think he's definitely in the mix. And I wouldn't put a pass. I mean, he'll be in the top 10 of this tournament, I think. Yeah, I was just going to say, I can't even, I can't envision a Sunday in the prime time where Brooks kept his name

isn't, you know, when they shorten the leaderboard to like six names, like Brooks Kevka will be in there. I think Brooks will have to be in there. I think J.T. will have to be in there. Rory, I feel like, it's a little bit more streaky. And he, you know, he could easily win the damn thing, or Rory could never be in there. Yeah, never be in there, never be in there, never be in there. Oh, he finished seven with like a 31 on the back nine. Right. Sometimes I, sometimes I sit at my window and I just stare out. and I just think about how Roy McElroy hasn't won a major since 2014. And it really infuriates me because they were showing,

the golf channel was shown just the other day his 2014 win at Valhalla. And like the announcers, rightfully so, are like, I mean, you are witnessing the next great, great player. He is going to pile up majors over these next couple of years. He is going to be the number one in the world. He is the tiger of this generation. And there was no reason for them not to feel that way. but then fast forward to 2020 and he hasn't won a major since then it just drives me crazy

because he should have so many more by now so many more yeah it's it's one of the more every time you say it you actually do a double take and a check in your head you think oh no that can't be right he probably won one in 27 to no he hasn't won a major in six years he has the same number of majors as brooks keptka and brooks kevka just appeared on the scene a couple years ago at Aaron Hills, which is a great spot, Trent Hills. So for him to not have won, it doesn't make any sense. It's something to think, like I said, he's streaky. So I feel like when he does break through again,

he's going to win three majors out of five or something along those lines. But him being stuck at four majors, you thought for a while he was going to, he was going to be a lock to get into that upper echelon of eight, nine, 10 major championships, get him into a top five, top six player in the history of golf. And him being stuck on that for this long is such a surprising fact. Now, having said all that going into this week, it is, you know, people talking about it being bombers, a driver's golf course.

I like his chances a lot because he's the best driver of the golf ball, probably in the world. People have been talking about that for years. I don't know that it's going to be as paramount on the golf. greens as a lot of these other tournaments. I mean, putting is always very, very important. Everybody knows that. But some tournaments more than others, we talk about the greens, or we talk about how, you know, this guy, you're really going to have to separate yourself with a puttick. I think you can really separate yourself by pulling driver and

ripping driver dead straight and hitting fairways this week, which is why I think Rory McRoy has a really good shot. So I think of all of the, you know, tournaments, this is one where people wouldn't be surprised at all if we have a, you know if we have come Sunday night at 10 o'clock eastern time we have Rory J.T. Brooks, Tiger, Rom, all kind of in the mix. And it's, holy shit, we have a star-studded major championship that's sort of propelling golf back into the limelight. I think Harding Park could deliver that, which would be fucking awesome.

Yeah, and just to touch on the Brooks stuff, like it's like the sun coming up. Like, you just know what's going to happen. and Brooks Kepka is going to be in the mix in the PJ Championship. And you just can't bet against him. He's not always going to win him. I don't think if I have to put my money down this week, I'm not putting it on Brooks. I just think at this point,

like you just can't. It's not as much of like it's going to happen as like the Rangers miss, like losing in the playoffs every year. Like it's not like that 100%. They're awful. What's the time stand? Where are we at 20, Jake, where are we 20 minutes? At some point.

23 and a half. half minutes longer than I thought it would be. But in the beginning, when everybody was like, oh, are you ready for the PGA? I didn't, like, weigh in on that, but I was just going to get it out of the way there and just like, well, now that my hockey team's out of the, like, there's basically, I would argue that the Rangers didn't have a season. And quickly, like, I didn't do the stream last night because last night, I went with my dad, my brother, we went down to the beach, we had a cocktail, we, like, prep for the Rangers

game. I love that. And it was just the three of us when we're like, this is going to be our bounce back. and then, I mean, at the end of the game, we were looking at one another and we were just like, honestly, I wish that they never came back with that effort in what we just saw. I wish that the season had just never taken place because it was a horrible three nights. At no point did I have fun watching those games. Yeah.

Now I'm ready for the Jers. The Rangers had a pretty shitty regular season and then took five months off due to a global pandemic, came back and just lost all their games and they're now gone. And in the span of like four days. It literally went from preseason game. We like played, we looked like a JV team versus the island. It's not a hockey podcast, but go on. No.

We had no life in our legs. And then we played the hurricanes and we just had nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. And then there was actually one big hit. Smith laid a huge hit on that kid, Shenepp Koff or whatever, 37. And I was like, oh, that could be a turning point. And then they played just the most lackluster next period of half that I've ever seen. So, like, I really wish it just never took place. It's like that I just, there's just one problem.

You're not any good. That's really what the game just never any good. So for like 20 games there, we were very good before the break for all things COVID. So there was a good stretch there where we were playing good hockey. And so that's the reason. I'm going to puk. You guys stink. We're not talking about this then anymore.

You guys stink at hockey. I just placed it on Florida Panthers to come back and win that series, which would be a phenomenal win. odds are they won't that won't happen i think that's why you put some money on well i think i think the honors outplayed the panthers today it's just they took a really bad pounded it's not a hockey podcast i was just going to say that brooks kebka is not as like it's going to happen as the rangers losing in the playoffs every single year and you know at some point you got to give it to another guy because you know that's something that happens you know it was this we're on 26 straight seasons or

something like that it's getting crazy now so um i really had no brooks kepka take. I just want to put this in here. And I feel like I'm just filibustering. I feel like in politics right now. Just trying to get to the end of it. That's okay. You got your line in. You got my line in. Because, you know, I'm picking Justin Thomas this week and I can't really root against him. How can you root against a guy who's gotten me to victory just one week ago? So that's who I'm rolling with this week. And I'm very, very excited for, oh wait, what are you going to say? Do you have any Justin Thomas insider information? I saw JT today briefly. And he, I just turned the corner. He's walking my

way. I said congrats. Like, what's up, Jay? And it's always weird. Like, you guys know, whenever we go to tournaments, there's a, there's a struggle, an internal struggle between hounding guys and trying to get shit, but also you got to be aggressive to get shit. Like, you got to get up there, you got to kind of get in their kitchen. You got to, like, and most guys will be cool with it, but it takes a little bit. It's like asking like a girl that you're attracted to middle school to, like, dance, right? It's like, usually they're probably pretty receptive. They're not going to be, like, mean. And you have a lot. a nice experience, but we've experienced that.

When you add COVID to the mix, like you physically can't go up to people. So it's very, everyone's kind of, you know, it's like we're, they're like opposite magnets. Yes, exactly. Everybody is moving around the PGA venue together. And so I see JT and we kind of like do this opposite magnets thing around each other while talking, but I did get kind of, you know, oh, congratulations. It's like that's all your world number one. Like the wind was really cool.

And he's like, thanks, man. And then he said like, hey, it's like really cool that you're here, that you got like one of the credentials. And I was like, yeah, isn't that shocking? And he's like, no, it's pretty cool. And then he was kind of like walking away from me. And I didn't know if I should walk towards him or away from him. And then we kind of just had it awkward like, okay, I'll see you.

Like, have a good week. And he's like, yeah, thanks. And that's been kind of the experience with a lot of different people where Nobody really knows how the fuck to interact with one another because you can't be near each other. And they're in the bubble and we're not. Like, media people aren't. Right. I get tested twice a week.

Like, we don't get tested. But what I was going to say was a little bit of insight to have is on Tuesday, yesterday. I walked the entire practice round with Kiz. And Kiz played great. He was striping the ball. He's hitting every fairway. He made five birdies, one bogey, shot four under 66, and was feeling confident. And he was even talking like, you know, yeah, there's a lot of birdies out there.

And we chatted for a while afterwards. And he's very common. And then I caught up with him today on the nightfall. And he just played nine. He played the front nine. And he was like, this fucking weather, I got no chance. I'm going to book a red eye out Friday night. And he had just done a complete 180.

And this was after I saw, I posed that video. But I first time I see him, he's in the left rough on nine. I'm like, what do you got in? He's like, well, I got 252 flag. And I got 230 to the front edge. and he's hitting like a three wood out of the brutal one in the rug. And I was just like, Dewey, how'd this nine go? And he's like, yeah, not as good as yesterday.

So I don't know what the fuck to think about kids. He's 125 of the one to win. But he's had good showings in PJs. If you remember, like, in St. Louis at Belreith, he was in the lead after, I think, the first round. He was right up there after the second round. The PGA, when it was at Quail Hollow, when JT won, Kiz actually had a, if he hold his second shot on the 70 seconds. We lost this.

Hold on, back it up. We lost you for a second. Now your connection, not your connection, just your voice went away. When he at Quil Hollow, he was right there down the stretch. He lost by a couple shots of JT, and he was kind of up near the top of the leaderboard the entire week. Karnusti, if you recall, he was right there in one of the final groups when Moly and Ari ended up defeating Tiger. so he's had good showings in majors. So kids being 1, you know, 125 to 1, I feel like being our guy, like, you got to

throw some money on him because he at any point could heat up. He can make a ton of putts. He shot 29. I don't think we've brought it up in the – his last nine holes of competitive golf in Memphis. He shot fucking 29 this past Sunday. Dewey told a great story yesterday. We were chatting where Dewey said that, you know, Dewey left Caddian for some people. PGA tour guy to go caddy for kids on the corn fairy door, which he's told that story before on the

podcast. But what he had talked, I think like Panama or something was one of their first events. And he said, after their like first nine holes, kids shoot to 28. And after nine holes, Dewey, I was telling the story yesterday. He goes, yeah, kids is the first player I've ever caddy for who gave me a golf ball, handed me a golf ball. I go, what do you mean? He goes, after nine holes, kids threw me his golf ball and goes, here you go, do it. I bet you never caddy for guy who shot 28 before. God, that's so cocky. I love it.

So that's our guy who, again, I don't know what the fuck to think about him because he, you know, he posted 66 and then today he looks suicidal like he's going to withdraw from the tournament after nine old. So I don't know what to think about kids. But anyhow, um, Spief, I saw Spieth quote where he said, you know, that the biggest focus and the, and the biggest thing that, that he's, that he's. he obviously wants to accomplish a biggest goal is to get the career grand slam, which will be winning the PGA championship.

He, I feel like, has not even crossed anybody's radar, although he has played much better golf. I feel like during and since kind of the restart, not that he's posted phenomenal, but he's had really good rounds and had signs of life. So it's like maybe Speets the name that you have to watch. And he's going for a career grand slam, which kind of slips my mind because he's one of those guys. He hasn't won one for several years. So Speed's another name. I don't know what the hell to think about him going into this week,

but somebody to watch. That career Grand Slam thing just stunned me, because whenever the Masters comes around, people can't stop talking about Rory completing the Career Grand Slam. It's one of the top narratives or storylines every single year. And Speed, I mean, probably not for the best of reasons. I just hadn't even thought about him in majors in a couple of years, unfortunately. But he did it.

2017, he obviously was the last one. he can win one it'd be cool to see and get the career grand slam it just has was not on my radar whatsoever yeah that feels like no way to me like I just can't imagine him where his games at to win win this weekend I just that feels like I mean that's not that's not going to make lurchy's loose picks I'll tell you what that one I've got no no belief in him at exactly so if he'll probably win which you're listening put your money on Jordan's speed he's a lot to win the PJ championship. Now our favorite.

Right. Jesus. But I was just, the reason I was thinking about some of these names during the drive home and just how majors, you know, how these, like this week affords the opportunity to change a lot of those careers, to get Rory back on kind of the major path, to get Spieth out of this huge rut. John Rom, who was number one in the world for two weeks, congratulations.

He doesn't have a major. So if he, you know, if he pulls through because he had at the Masters, remember when he had, right before he had the meltdown, he had the meltdown at Sawgrass with the caddy. He had the whole anecdote in the story. And when he's working with like a fucking bomb diffuser or something. The best. And then at the Masters last year, he was, he had a great start.

maybe it was two years ago when he had a great start, but he was throwing absolute hissy fits out there. So you've got to think he since... Oh, we lost he again. Crazy how we can lose. Hold on, we lost you again just for the last five seconds. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. You're clear, your internet's great,

but sometimes your voice just drops out for seven seconds. I was doing a whole rant about John Rom and how he had a great run and got to number one in the world and how this would be kind of him going over the hill in terms of, or getting over the hump in terms of winning a major championship. I was kind of doing the whole thing. Do you something John Rob, ass, like throw your laptop against a wall or something. Fuck, I should have.

That was a mistake. If Jordan Speed, I think of all the people you're mentioning, and you're right, you can change the narrative on your career in an instant by winning a major. I think if Jordan Speed wins this PJ Championship, he will erase the most, like, negative energy in his career. Because people, for the most part, have almost completely written him off. which seems like a crazy thing to say, but he just hasn't been playing that well these last couple years.

But if he comes through with a major win, then it's, oh, he's got four majors and remember that he's one of the great, great young players in the game. I think it would obviously be huge for it. Yeah, it's like Army Navy. You could have, you could lose every game if your Army and then beat Navy and you had a great season.

Exactly. Hell yeah. That was fucking awesome. So he could. He could kind of erase all of the doubt, all of the negativity, all of the aiders. and win a major championship and just start adding back to his, to his total.

And all of a sudden, the speed's career is just right where it was a couple years ago. So there's a lot at stake. That was kind of my point. That was why I was trying to list some of these different storylines and narratives and how it can change careers, because we don't get this every week. When people are playing the fucking John Deere Classic or they're up in Detroit

or wherever the hell they are, none of this shit really matters. And now this week, it matters. It is a major week. Tiger, of course, can get to number 16, which would put him only two back from Jack Nicholas. Somebody's listening to something. I heard that.

Lurch, are you watching a hockey game or something? No, I think that's Frankie. He's got a smirk. He's got a little smirk on. Frankie, what's going on, pal?

He's doing something weird over there. Is he frozen? No, I'm not frozen. Sorry, something was, I had to play something because Dave sent me something, so I needed to make sure what it was. I thought you were trying to put something relevant. Did it come through?

Barely, it wasn't. It wasn't. You heard it. I mean, we're not talking about nothing. It's stunning that that came through. It should come through my headphones. It must be loud. Sorry about that.

That's okay. Oh, another thing that happened today was I had to refight the whole wearing golf shoes at a golf tournament fight. Yes. I saw that kids really blew up your spot there. Not that it's a blow up your spot because we've always said that. That's what we do. What were the conditions like today?

Boys, the last two days. I clearly gave it into peer pressure. The last two days, on Monday I wore my cool Nikes, which are just, you know, sneakers. What side are they? Worry about it. That's got nine or nine and a half written all over. That's got single digits written all over it.

You got destroyed. I forget it, the footjoy fitting thing, you got destroyed for whatever your shoe size was. Yeah, the guy gave me nine and a half. That's what. Maybe nine and a half. He also said it like inappropriately loud. Like there's like a crowd gathered around.

He's like, he got to measure it. And there's no avoiding it because this is a shoe guy. We're at the Footjoy event. There's no avoiding that this is the professional fitter of shoes. Got Riggs his shoe down there. And I think they had just done mine. And I'm 11 or 12, not to brag, whatever. And then they get rigs in the contraption.

And they gets down there, measures it up. And he goes, all right, can we get some nine and a half? over here? Like, oh, no. Like, buddy, can you fucking pipe down a little bit with the nine and a half? Sorry, I didn't mean to derail your story. So good. It's okay. These are tens, actually, because I refuse, obviously, to go into the night. I would rather, I told you guys this is the thing. I would rather be wiggling all over the fucking golf course than be wearing a nine and a half shoot.

Absolutely. But the point is that I have these Nike's on the last two days. My feet were soaked. And yesterday, I was following kids all day, and I had two holes in, he noticed it. looked at me and goes, how are those feet doing? I was like, they're freezing and they're soaking wet because it's like this dewy, foggy condition. So the grass is just soaked. So I said, fuck that, I'm not going to do it.

And of course, the day of kids takes a picture, tweets it out. And it's very, very simple. It's a very, I'll defend it all day. And that when you look at it on the surface, it is an embarrassing thing. What a loser is trying to, like, feel like he's in the golf mood wearing golf shoes their butts or no, it's just logic. It's just, and then the main reaction people get is like, why don't you just go get waterproof sneakers. Yeah, I have

waterproof shoes. They're called fucking golf shoes. That's what they are. So why would I go by a whole new shoe when I just have shoes that work perfectly? So anyway, I've been fighting that fight on Twitter. The golf course, like, the golf course is where we stand. So you have to wear golf shoes. I don't understand

why you would want, I don't understand why you can't wear golf shoes in golf. It's not like you're going to a hockey game and wearing skates because you're actually stepping on concrete and you're going up steps and you're doing stuff like you're quite literally in the rough I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure the ref at a hockey game wears ice skates correct yeah I mean it would like wearing ice skates would be like if we were on the ice

with the players and we were skating around too we're walking the same surfaces they are now if it's just like a regular day and there's like walking past all over the place yeah it can be kind of hard oh but like when you're the only person also don't wear spikes like wear just like the turf shoes. Well, now you're getting into a little bit of the nitty. You can't wear spikes. You can't be walking around with like, I can't hear the spikes crunching at, like, going to go get a soda at the concession stand.

That one I won't stand behind. I won't stand behind the spikes. I won't. I'll stand behind the turstues all day. I can wear tertiary when I drive to go get like a drink from 7-11 or something. I don't get a fuck. They look at regular sneakers. It's what Rick said.

People's teeny tiny brains just think that it's because we think. People just. think that they that we want to be the golfers like we they're like oh you want to be such a golfer that you or you want to be a golfer that you're going to wear golf shoes no it's all about not falling down and not getting my socks wet socks you know how fucking terrible wet socks are i'd rather be tortured i'd rather have bamboo shoots shoved up my fingernails to have wet socks i'd rather have my fingers chopped off and put in acid than i have wet socks so when we're at the beach last night. My brother and I

and dad... What were you guys doing down there? Well, we went in the ocean. There was great waves last night because the storm blew through. So there's actually awesome waves. The hurricanes came through, I heard, right? Great one. Actually, not terrible. Are the Rangers playing the hurricanes? Yeah. That's a fucking great

joke. Thank you. They were until they got... They played, and then they got surged. These two people were walking. down the beach in like jeans, shoes, just like fully clothed, just as many clothes as they could possibly have. And this big wave came and just soaked everything that they were wearing from their knees down. And I felt so badly for them because, I mean, it is the worst feeling in the world to have wet shoes, wet socks a whole bit. It's, it's miserable. I hate it so much.

I back you wearing, I definitely back you wearing the golf shoes. Is it, can someone say, hey, you're a little bit of a hard o rocking those things? Sure. What can you say my feet are protected? Why? Why can you say that? Why can you say it? Well, it's a free country.

It's a free country. It's a free country. People can't say whatever they want, but they're wrong. Yeah. Right, but Lurch implied that they're justified in saying that. They're not. Well, no, but you could wear, like, boots. If you wanted to, like, protect your feet, you could wear just like regular boots.

I don't have, what do you mean? I hate this world so much. I really hate this world. Like, what are we talking? but we can't wear fucking golf shoes? What does that mean? You can't, but you can't wear the spikes. I'm saying you can't.

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I am going to tell you about it. The first one was just the most basic run-of-the-mill pleasantries conversations that you can have. I mean, I walked by in the media center. we were clearly the only two ships kind of going towards each other had to acknowledge, hey Jeff, what's going on? You know, like, how about the weather?

It's like, oh, yeah, it's a little windy. I just go. Oh, yeah. Whatever of all time. Fuck it, hey. You have to do, right? I mean, you can't. I'm not going to be like, you're a bitch and like,

walk by it, you know. That would have been amazing, but no. Hey, Jeff, we've had some real problems on the internet, huh? Unfortunately, we live in a society, but that would have been awesome. Right. is a society here you got a kind of certain rules you got adhere by and that was one of them. But it was like, oh, where are you staying?

Like, how's that? You know, it's a hotel room. I have a key and I just like go to sleep. Breakfast, breakfast 7 to 11. You know the deal. But we had to do it. So a couple minute conversation, you know, I'll see you around this week, whatever. And then the second time I saw him was today in the bathroom.

It's the bathrooms of those things are very, yeah. It's like we're like washing our hands next to each other. the same kind of, you know, he's like, yeah, Tiger looks pretty good. I'm like, yeah, it looks good. It's just like such. Jesus. Just whatever, you got to do it. That is like the typical movie scene, two people in the bathroom after your, like,

Twitter fight, like you locking the door and then, like, tweeting at him or something like that would be the funniest content in the world. It was. It was, like, it wasn't outside the realm of possibility for me to be like, yeah, Jeff, great to see you. Have a good week out there. And then 30 seconds later, I tweet. like, what a pussy, Jeff Shagger's like.

Yeah. So that's just like, boy, it was. So it's brutal. And like, you know, it's cordial. He's being fine. So I, you know, and I give him a ton of respect because he did come on the show. And we always said that if you're willing to come on. And so he's always going to have eternal respect for that.

But then later in the day, I had just a really tough, tough look for me. because after the round, I'm standing there. After Dewey and kids finish up, you know, Dewey's going through the bag and he's got like a handful of ProV1s with all the, and he's like, hey, Riggs, I just got like a handful of like used balls from today. You want these? And I was like, yeah, of course I want,

like, free ProV1s that are like, of course I want this. So he hands me five golf balls. I tweeted out a picture wherever. And I'm, and I walk across. I'm right next to the media center and I pulled, I'm like, oh, I got like a decent little tweet I'll put out about these. So I'm pulling the balls out. Right as I'm pulling him out, Shackifer walks by.

And he goes, are you stealing balls in the range there, Riggs? It was such a tough look where it was like, oh, I remember my first time at a tour of it where there's like golf balls all around. You like took all the five. Like, do you see anything out there on the range? You can just take them. Why doesn't everybody do this? Are these things free?

You're like, you're like, You look like the guy, like, at a fancy party when they've got the dish of appetizers that people are working around, and you're just chasing the lady down. You're just grabbing things off the tray. Exactly. And I was like, no, like, kids gave these to me. And he was like, yeah, yeah, sure he did or something walked by? I'm just like, fuck, like that way. You kind of bodied you.

He, like, totally. And there's nothing. Good for him. Yeah, he got like a shot in at me. It was funny. I kind of, I was like, too shay shackle for them. I was like put out my stupid tweet about the golf balls. But then I had to put the tweet out because I was like, I can't, it just, I looked awful.

Did you try to. Because in the moment you can't defend yourself. So was your tweet somewhat to inform him of how you got the golf balls and defend himself? Well, I was, I was then, I was off the cliff on the tweet. I had to tweet the tweet. Right. Like, sometimes you think in your head, I got a good tweet idea. And, like, it turns out shitties, you just delete it, you know?

And I was like, I think I'll tweet something out about the golf balls and, like, planting them around the course for, right? kids to win and maybe I'll get a couple laughs wherever. And then I was like, I have to tweet this out now because Shackerel for fucking saw me and I don't want to, it sucked. There's a brutal spot, yeah. You know what? He was due for a win.

He, after coming on this show, and we gave him the business for 40 minutes, and I'm sure we've all tweeted, or people have tweeted some mean things at him. He was due for a W. So we got one. Yeah, he's probably tweeting his buddy. He's like, I zinged rigs earlier. He's fucking putting golf balls in his backpacker.

So good for shock. He did get it with. And the last little headline before we get this more from the galleries. Steve Stricker is going to get six captain's picks for next year. Look, anytime that just means there's going to be more controversy. There's going to be more bickering back and forth. There's going to be more people berating captain's picks and going back and forth over it. That's great.

So half the team will be captain's picks next year for the Ryder Cup at Whistling Straits. It's a great thing. I'm a big fan of it. Yeah. controversy's good we're always looking for something to talk about on twitter.com or on this podcast i'm sure it'll be a really big topic when it comes down to it and i'm all for that you know i mean i don't know what other options they have at this point and i think that for us we're just going to talk about whatever he ends up doing stricter also is just like in the news all the time

with this stuff like i feel like seeing him today with tiger's putter it's just like he seems like that that's like what he was born to do like be that guy that like makes picks and also like tests out, Tiger Woods is putter. Like, I don't picture him as, like, a guy trying to win golf tournaments or, like, ever. You know what I mean? Like, he's just kind of around as, like, uh, John Deere. Right, the John Deere.

It's like... A bunch of us. But, like, at the end of the day, like, he was, he's just, like, he's always been, like, old, you know? He's always been... Like, wise. He's always had wisdom. Yeah. Stuff, you know? He's always been 50 years old or so.

How old is... Hurric's been in that bucket for me, too. Furek's always been, I don't understand how he's still doing it. Like, I thought he was old when I first started watching golf. Steve Stricker is 53. The same age. How old is Jim Fierreck? He's got to be, I'm going to guess Jim Furek, it's 40.

He's 50 because he's 50. He just won his first senior tour. Right. Oh, my God. He's right. He's 50. I said that about Dave Portnoy's dad, too. He was just born old.

He was one of those people that was never, never young. They're just always old people. You're right. With Stricker, like he always has the wisdom. I feel like Stricker, like, oh, Tiger's got a new putter. I wonder what the reasoning is for. Let's go to Steve Stricker. Right. That's what I mean. It's just weird. Yeah. There's hundreds of people in the world that you could go to. And Steve Stricker just has the information.

He's like, oh, come over here, journalists. Let me tell you about Tiger and his new putter. So Stricker's the captain for the U.S. Rider Cup team. He's kind of one of the boys. He's been the vice captain forever. He's always in there. Like you said, Frankie. he's going to get six captains pick. So he played, I think, with Morikawa during this week at one point. So Morikawa is going to be, you know, a future writer cover for a very long time. He's a guy who's kind of on my list of people to watch this week, too, because he's such a good ball striker.

And guys, like, I mean, we were talking kind of about what's at stake in the implications of this week. That young crew of the Victor Hoaglin, Kalamorakawa, Matt Wolf, one of those guys gets the win this week. And all of a sudden they sort of catapult to the full. front of the young gun crowd as kind of the first major winner. So, so those are, you know, some guys to watch this week and to get excited about storylines if you're struggling to get jacked up. Okay. From the gallery, we've got a bunch of good ones. I went through and found, I think, some very, very good ones. Reminder that from the gallery, it's brought to you by our very good friends. They love

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only 30 minutes away from TPC Harding Park. So there's a little connection there, you know? Kind of like a homecoming. He knows the grass, those the area, probably played Harding Park, the whole deal. He looked confident, too.

This morning when those guys teed off, so there was a Tiger walks over to the 10th T, and he's with Stricker. and he's with Davis, Love the Third. So a little old guard. And there's a little backup on the 10T, and it's Morcawa, a couple other people. I think one guy, one guy I didn't recognize.

He played with somebody else who I did, but I can't remember who it was. First guy steps up and just wipes one way right. And he's got tigers standing there, like with his arms crossed. Watch these guys see off, wipes one way right. Second guy hits a pretty good one, like, whatever, it was fine.

Morcawa steps up, and I'm standing there thinking, like, man, I'm nervous as fuck because I can feel Tiger watching you people try to hit these shots. And Morikawa stepped up, went right through his routine, and just ripped a little baby cut down the left center of the fairway. And I was like, this fucking guy has so much confidence in his swing and what he's doing. And then afterwards, he kind of walked by Tiger and they had like a little chit-chat.

And I was like, dude, that is some balls. So that combined little homecoming, like Morikawa, I think, is definitely somebody to watch this week. For sure. God, if you can do that, you're just at the top of you. He's such a stud. He's such a stud. I think I said it when he won in the playoff against Justin Thomas. But I like, there's few people on earth who I would rather be then,

like from a upside perspective than Colin Morikawa. He has such a bright fucking future. Maybe he doesn't win a PJ championship this week, but he's got a few majors, more than a few, I think, in his future. He's so good. Yeah. And he, you know, he's talked a lot on our show, too, about how, he's mature and he's got a very wholesome and mature approach to the game and they kind of roast Matt

Wolf for being immature all the time which we found out during the little skin game there but he does have the total package it seems he's mature he has a very good uh kind of um experience that it feels like approach to the game he wins he's got such nice ball striking that he's always kind of right there it's a matter whether he rolled the huts or not so with this time of course. I think Morcao is going to have a great week. Okay. Let's get to From the Gallery. We got a guy Hans who said, I really want you guys to give an update and to check out at Use Golf Fax on Twitter, which, if you recall, at Use Golf Fax is our very good friend, Justine Reed. It's, you know, that's not confirmed, but it's confirmed that's Justine

Reed and I went through and she's just been tweeting up a storm about everything you can imagine. I checked in on her the other day. She is. She has been tweeting up a storm. This Rider Cup stuff is really getting to her. The Rider Cup stuff is driving her crazy, which, you know, if you recall, that was when they had their calls with the New York Times reporter about how, like, Eurek didn't know what he's doing, how Speed like didn't want to play with Reed and broke up the whole pair and all this bullshit. And, uh, on tweeting somebody was like yeah Patrick Reed's a cheater like whatever tweet at her and she goes I'm just stating the facts he was never cited for cheating not once he based your judgment of

accusations from quote unanimous sources which is that's just that unanimous source is not right it's got to be it ought to be anonymous that word publicized with the intent to tarnish and arm Patrick Reed regardless of the truth which is by definition malice and then he was bickering about featured pairings, and she just tagged at PGA Championship, at PGA and at PGA News Feed, and said, so every player in the top 10 of the world is in a featured or notable pairing except Patrick Reed. This is a prime example of marginalizing a player person discrimination, maybe. He's one of the best players. That's like, this is not right.

That's like, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a Trump move where you put the question mark at the end of something that you, like, want people to latch on to. like move the election maybe question mark is are we marginalizing Patrick Reed maybe discrimination it's I mean I'm I'm I so I haven't checked it on used golf acts in quite a while but it looks like after this podcast is done I think I've got a little bit of reading in front of me it looks I mean she's been tweeting a ton in the last 18 hours man she's been tweeting up a storm she one of my favorite parts of that last week too is that her hashtag she goes he's one of the best players in the world hashtag eight which is just his world ranking.

And then on the Ryder Cup front, she said to say, well, just for numbers sake, Patrick has been on six team events. The last six years, again, this may or may not be Patrick Greene's wife. Nobody really knows. Patrick has been on six team events.

The last six years, the U.S. team has won four of those six. And the last event you are referring to, she was finding somebody chirping about his last step, was the biggest loss in America. American Rider Cup history. And clearly many poor decisions were made by a lot of people. So she has just been continuing her onslaught of going after people. So if you want a, you know, a good time, you want to kind of refresh yourself on use golf facts. Enjoy this.

This guy, Patty, said, you're an absolute psychopath. That's all he tweeted that. She, you know what, you know what she's doing incorrectly? And maybe we've talked about it before where what she needs to do, if she wants to try to throw people off the scent, they can't all be Patrick Reed tweets, right? It's like when you have the answers to all the answers to a test, you don't want them to know you're cheating by going 100%. So you've got to mix in a couple wrong answers so people don't think that it's you. Dude, at this point, to throw people off the sent,

she has to delete this handle and get a new one. The fact that, like, there are so many troll accounts out there in the World Wide Web, and she's just caught in like the fastest time ever imaginable. She just does a terrible job. I mean, she would have to start over, hire somebody else, trap them in their basement and tell them what to tweet out when she thinks about it. And then the other times you should just be tweeting at anything at all. Because she really, yeah, you're right.

But still, she's got to mix in like some Brooks Kevka tweets, some Bryson D. Shambo tweets, something so people don't know 100% without a doubt that this is Justine Reed's burner account. Or just be like, yeah, Patrick Reed made a mistake when he grounded his club in the bunker and moved all the sand away from golf ball. True. Or start tweeting about the weather or start tweeting about other things that are going on in the world.

She only tweets, or this Twitter account, I shouldn't say she because we don't know. Maybe he or her, who don't. Only tweets about Patrick Reed. It's really something. Something. Yeah, I love your name. It's just used golf facts.

That's like all caps facts. And then this guy, at Gambling Caddy tweeted at her, you're an absolute psychopath. And then her response was, oh, does that make you feel tough because it just makes you look weak? L.O.L. What a joke. I'm sorry that you don't like the truth and resort to name call her to try to belittle someone, have a nice day. Just picture like him, like we said, sitting at the dinner table and she's like whispering like, you're weak. you're weak you're not a man he's just like sitting there just stabbing his mashed potatoes just shoving his mouth oh you want to use golf facts why don't you fucking win a golf tournament Patrick you're looking oh my god you're weak if you I don't know if uh justine read is

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Frank said, and this is a very simple one, he was listening to our discussion about Bryce and New Chambot and saying that he's going to live to be 140. and he said you'll never know he said you guys don't realize that uh whoever's going to get the last laugh will very unlikely be you guys because you'll never know if bryson lives to be 140. It's true. Which I hadn't thought about that. But we can laugh about it all we want. But like we're going to be dead.

He could live to be 80. He could live to be 100. He could live to be 130. like we'll just we'll never know. There's a good chance one of us outlast him. So stats would say good chance. Yeah, we've got four chances in his life. He's only got one.

He's like four times healthier than all of us. Yeah, yep. It's not horrible. I mean, I'm out, okay? I know you guys are thinking it. Let's all just say it. Like, I'm out. So there's really got three chances to live without Livryson.

And I don't like good chances for anything. of you guys. Gallanders don't make it to this next round. He may, and he lasts until next week he may beat me. Yeah. So Frankie's out. So now we're down to two. You know? Lurch, you've got, you've got the best chance I think out all of us.

I don't think so. One of my buddy's wives said that I was going to die young. Damn. Less stress. I think Lurch has less stress. He just does his own thing. He like plays tennis and paddleboard and all this fucking shit.

What? like I'm constantly stressed like I'm gonna just my brain one day is just gonna fucking break apart and I'm just gonna sit in my chair and just be like uh it's over I think Bryson Bryson outlives every single one of those no doubt

for sure 100% he's younger than us how old is Bryson? 26 so he's my age fuck yeah so it's me versus Bryson in the age department here I mean I'm 20 years older than him health-wise right but so what we got to

do is if any of us have kids, we have to pass this legacy down to our children, where they have to make fun of Bryson if he doesn't live to be 130, 140 years old. That's what you got to do. Yeah. You got to have your son or your daughter. You have to tell them about Bryson. You have to sit them down. You got to teach him all about him. And you got to be like, if he doesn't make it to 130 years old, you have to mock him relentlessly on whatever that version of Twitter is at that point in time. That's really it. Also, how about Phil jumping in and saying like it's a 10%? all the sudden. Oh, yeah, on our Instagram.

Yeah. Phil's on like a weird track right now with all this stuff. It's this little CBD gum, whatever he's chewing. I do think something happens to a person when they get famous and certainly rich where they're like, this is so great that I don't ever want it to end. So their brain starts to think, why can't we extend how long human beings live? And I think Bryce and D. Chambon, certainly Phil Mickelson, fit into that category, especially Phil.

He's 50 now. Like, I mean, he's, he's got less time left than he's lived already. So it's like he's looking at ways he is probably grasping at every straw to be like, oh, yeah, people are going to live longer. People are going to live longer because his life is so great that he can't even imagine not having this for longer, for a longer period of time. Great. I agree with that.

Yeah. I think it, people get into weird shit. You're right. When they're just like rich and super fan. that it's it you almost have to give them a path when they say really crazy shit right that's you're like a rich famous person of course you just your brain doesn't work on a normal level that's fine uh and i think that's what phil was like when i saw that i just kind of went and i just scrolled like yeah Phil's like he's in la la la and with all the other uber you know famous rich people

so i didn't think a ton about it but uh so yeah that's just what fill in uh Dave Nope. Hold on again. Try it again. Just start the whole thing over again. Start the whole thing over again. All right, we're going to go to Alex. Alex says... Dave's pissed now because we are doing here, Dave.

Dave got fucked. He says, would Lurch, Frankie, and Riggs agree and sign the papers right now to say that they would never play Augusta ever, if it meant Trent could go play by himself from the tips and cover the entire thing with cameras? Gentlemen? Man. No.

If I say yes, you better do a hell of a job covering it. I don't care about that. I don't want to play. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. Maybe I misheard the email. If you guys don't agree that I can do it, do you guys then go get to play? No.

No. That's a spite move out of Frankie then. We just take our chances at maybe playing. So either we go from maybe playing to death. Definitely not, but at least you get to play. Fully covered cameras the whole bit and you document it. I would do it. I would do it.

You, shit on you. No way would you do it. I would sign it right now. At least I'm being honest. I would sign it right now that you can never even sniff playing Augusta if Trent got to go play tomorrow. The whole thing. Trent would get to put, he gets to film every shot and we'd have a. a YouTube video, Trent playing the...

His audio is just betraying. Riggs, your audio is betraying you so many times on this podcast. But I... I really wish you... I could hear what you said, because it sounds like you're letting me play Augusta, which sounds amazing. I would love for you to play Augusta, but like... I don't think you feel that way.

Well, you're putting like a crazy ultimatum on me saying, like, something that we all want to strive for and achieve in life. We're not allowed to do unless you do it. and then like because you get to do something. It's like, I'd also probably forget to charge my phone that night and like I wouldn't document as much of it as I should. And like through like a fourth hole, I'd be like, well, I'm just going to play.

I don't want to document any of this anymore. I want to enjoy myself. And so maybe the deal wouldn't be as good as it's tough. I was in East Hampton and Southampton, and this is kind of off topic, but we're going to move fastest because I already said my piece on Trent. But like I made a right today. on my way home from this Hampton's area,

I turned onto a road and I was just in the middle of Shinnecock Hills. What? That road goes right through it. Yeah. Like I couldn't believe where I was. It was like the craziest looking down my phone, like I'm in traffic,

like looked up and I was on like I think the 13th hole is right there or like the 12th hole. I was like, wait a minute. Is this fucking Shinnecock? I couldn't. I couldn't. my head around what was happening. Then I drove up and you go right past the fucking clubhouse.

I was like, is this real life? It's very, it makes you feel like you can just walk out and play it, which, I mean, you can't. Now, I talked to someone that has played it. He's an American hero, good guy, plays hard, loves the game, scored a goal tonight for the New York Islanders. I didn't get a chance to tweet about it because I was doing pizza reviews. It sucked that I missed the first goal. But he has played there, and he said that like some of the locals there,

call that like the showroom time or something like that. Because like around 5 o'clock, everyone will be leaving that area of town. So that road gets fucking packed and everyone's looking out and watching people on 12 and 13. It's like a showroom of golf, basically. You have all these locals looking at you playing. It's a little nerve-wracking. Then I got into a debate about Shinnecock. I'm very jealous that he gets to go play Shinnecock all the time.

So I like to downplay it. And I said, well, it's like playing golf in the middle of a farm. I said there's nothing that great about it. And I think it got into, which I really don't mean, but at the end of the day, like, we all know that my take on golf courses is like about views and like funability, I guess, is the word that we've kind of made up. I mean, you just made that up. Yeah, I think you've heard you say fun ability.

You're trying to be clear, I would not sign that agreement. We've moved past it. I feel like Rick said yes. I'm the only one that would sign it. Yeah. I only, I only sort of believe that. And Frankie said no, but fun ability, you act as like. I think Seth, why I use that word.

Okay. To be honest, in Australia. He used some form of like fun ability. It's like his scale of how he rates golf courses because he belongs to like all the best ones in the world. He has to choose between like a million of the best ones. So I'm like, how do you choose like which one's the best? And he's like, well, it's like a fun scale. I think he used the word fun ability to be honest.

I don't hate it. Fun little thing. You sure he just wasn't like walk ability or play? No, it was all about fun. It was all about fun. It was all about having fun. Like chatting it up with the boys in the locker room and like what kind of vibes are there and all that stuff. It's about fun.

We got into kind of a debate about like where do you guys rank? And I think we may have done this on a show before, but it's good to get a refresher because I know a lot of people argue about golf courses and stuff. Like where do you rank the three following things? Like the golf course, the aura, and then the views. right like what do you put first so like a pebble beach is like you're ranking that as like the views like if you're like a number one pebble beach guy you're all about the views if you're like talk to me about or what do what do you mean or is like um like pine valley's got like an aura around it that like no one can go inside and it's like you don't it's got this history that like you don't like know anything

about it's like a cool aura around it right like oh i played cypress like that's aura um i guess like Shinnecock may have like an aura around it because of like the history and stuff. But like, for sure. There's like an aura, right? Like when you say the name that you played it, it's like, oh, shit. Like it's like vibe. Give me the three again.

Views, actual golf course, and then aura or vibes. When you say- Nothing to do with fun. So none of those have anything to do. No, it's like, so basically, like I was like every hole of Chinnecock looks the same to me. And I wouldn't rank it. And like, if I got to play, my top bucket list golf courses,

my 100 best golf course in the world, I don't think I'd put Shinnikok in like my top 10 because at the end of the day, I'd end up playing these golf courses that are fucking on mountain ranges and going crazy and all these courses I want to play, like places in Hawaii and fucking Cabot Cliffs and fucking Pebble Beach and Cyprus.

At the end of the day, my views scale is number one and like my, I think the golf course, right? Everyone loves Piner's number two and Shinnock and like rolling hills. I put that last. in what I like about a golf course. So I wonder what you guys like.

Well, I would say, right? Like, for me, it is probably the golf course, but not, like, I think you, sometimes you portray it like it's only a snobby thing, whereas I think the funability thing that you talked about is in, like, the way the course, presents itself and plays. Like if a course is a super fun, interesting golf course from a design standpoint

and how it plays and, you know, it's a little bit more wide open. You're not going to lose a lot of balls. It plays a little bit more firm and fast. You can kind of hit a lot of different kinds of shots. Like that, to me, is going to be a more fun experience than just, like, looking at the ocean. Like, if someone just builds a course on the cliffs

but the actual golf course sucks. Like, I'm not going to have as much fun as I would on a really phenomenally design and playable course that's in the middle of nowhere. Okay. I'm a views guy. I'm definitely a views guy. I understand what you're saying.

Hughes also don't always have to be ocean, right? Like, I think the fourth pole at Beth page is a view. No, but I, and that's fine, that's fine. But when, in terms of like what a rich said. Elevated T-box, it's got two fairways, a rolling green that goes around. understand that you take a picture that's like how the course was like designed like they used those hill that's not like views oh that's a view man it's a background on people's phone it's a

that's a view it's not just a straightaway fucking hole with a fescue on the side and the only reason people like it is because it's got fucking playability because you can play different fairways because they connect and they may have like a bunker in the middle or something and like I don't know like Shinnecock I would say shinnock every hole at shinikok has the iconic clubhouse in the background, and so are you counting that as like a view? Human design really bleed lines. There's a lot of... Agreed.

What I would say, the way that I look at, the way that Riggs described, like, when a course presents itself as opposed to what Frankie's sort of saying with the oceans, although I know you're not exclusively talking about ocean views. Like, I view it as I could drink a glass of a $300 bottle of wine, and I would have no idea. Like, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Because I'm so bad at, like, I don't know, like my golf game, I feel like you have to be at a certain level of golf in terms of ability

to be able to appreciate what someone has tried to do with a golf course. And I just don't have that. So that's why I lean more towards, like, I want something to look visually pleasing as opposed to, like, oh, this is, they did this with the bunkering and they did this with the undulations. Like, I just feel like I'm in a different place than be able to appreciate things like that. see i think you you would find out like i think you playing

a place like band and dunes you're going to have a ton more fun than you would playing beth page black and it's not because of the views i think it would be because of the design and the style of golf where it's pretty wide open you can run a lot of shots up you don't have to like fly it there you don't have to hack out of really really thick rough and so i think that that would kind of prove a little bit more my point and make you see stuff i think differently that that i think is true that you don't know it yet maybe because you haven't like experienced

some of those courses but also like views matter to me a lot sure you're fucking just change a hole, right? Like, views, views take the, like, the seventh hole at Pebble from being, like, a totally forgettable hole. That was just in and among some trees. Yeah, it's 105-yard hole, like, down a little bit of a hill, like, what, it's just whatever, to, like, the most memorable hole in the world. And I do, in terms of aura, because that's kind of gotten forgotten about, the only place where aura matters to me is Augusta. Like, I think everywhere else that the aura doesn't make my dick hard, Augusta is the only. place where I feel that way about. Like no other place. I get that there are places probably that

people feel that way about. There's a lot of places like that. But Augusta is the only one that feels real to me. Yeah. I sort of, we, you know, when we played Cyprus, whatever, a month ago or so, that aura was definitely there. But I, and it was like, it was nerve-wracking. Like, walking on property was nerve-wracking. Hitting a couple of the shots and having seen the pictures and knowing that you're going to talk about it forever was part of the aura. And it was, It was very nerve-wracking, and it, like, jittered you and finishing the 14th hole, and you walk across this road over to, like, 15 and 16, and knowing that that was coming, the aura hit me, but I don't think that outweighs either of the other two, right, almost ever.

Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know. It's a tough one. They're all fairly close to me in my eyes, but I do think aura would be third. And I like this whole time I've just been sitting here. I was like, it's tough to pick the number one, but I think without question number three is aura. But then, again, if like when you do play Cyprus

and when we played Cyprus, it's like it catapulted to number one. You know, it was like the most important thing, like to me about that course was like Cyprus and then like the golf course, the design, but it was Cyprus. Like I'm on the grounds of Cyprus, which is interesting.

And I think Augusta would certainly be the same way. And then I, question myself because I'm like, have we been just privileged to the 10th degree where we've lost like the feel of like Pinehurst and Pink Stewart and Pebble and everything that's going on? Because we've been lucky enough to play all these courses. Like it is, I don't know, because all of us sit here and pretty much say that ORA is last from what I can see. Yeah, well, I think the ORA thing came up when like I was making the argument against Shinnikok because I say that like Garden City Golf Club is one of my favorite golf.

courses and it's like very similar where it's like there's just a bunch of fescue and bunkering all over the place and to me i said the aura jumped it up so high because it's that golf course that's been down the block from my house no one even knows it exists there like in the town it's behind a bunch of trees kind of like augustin national and it's like in all these magazines and golf books as like a top 100 golf course in the world and people are flying helicopters in like james dolin and and peyton manning and Eli Manning and all these people are playing this golf course right down the street. It's like, well, what the hell is what's going on in there? So, like, for me, it's like I don't care.

The place could look like Eisenhower Blue. At the end of the day, I'm going to put that in my top because it's always been that aura around it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think Eisenhower Blue is taking more ricochet shots in the podcast and the John Deere Classic. That's just always Frank is going to like fucking Eisenhower Blue. It's just like a 6,300 yards straight away. tea to green, tea to green,

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and that matters. When you're coming up 18 at Pinehurst, you can see the clubhouse and you're putting and you can see the Payne Stewart statue. And even when you walk right by after the first tee, that does something to you that you don't get anywhere out. Like the first tee at the old course at St. Andrews and playing the 18th hole, that aura,

those aren't great holes. They're just open fields where you just hit it. Yeah, that place is all aura. It's all horror. And people would argue that a lot of the different course from an architectural standpoint, it's great. We don't know anything about that or care about that to that degree. It's about the aura, like those shots hitting over the roadhole, the hotel.

Like that's all aura, and it is really, really cool. So it's hard to discount that. I think it's a very solid three categories. It's like one of those pick, you know, pick, you get this guy's 12 points and this guy's seven points, pick your roster. It's that, it feels like that because it does make. you exhaust your brain to try to really decide which ones matter to you and I think the answer is all like you got to have some of all three you can't just have you had a horrible golf course it's just like on the water like that's not going to satisfy me you know but if you also have

you have just the coolest architecturally sound course ever but it's in just a shit looking area I'm not going to have fun at that like it's not going to be my favorite so it's Right. You got to have a little bit of everything. Yeah, no, it's an interesting debate, and it really got started because I was super jealous. And it's just like we're talking about all this. Like, he played like, um, um, um,

Sabonik. And then the next day it was like fucking Chinnecock. I'm like, all right. Well, these courses aren't even that nice. If you're going to be, if we're being honest. Like, kind of just like cornfields, like just in the middle of nowhere.

So. And also we were talking about just like, like, like, like, like, unbelievableness and you can whatever five dollars whatever but like the fact that you're able to build shinnock and i said like well that's bullshit because you can build shinnock anywhere in the world you just need an inland golf course right and like you can't build pebble beach anywhere in the world you need pebble beach to be built into that fucking layout of the of the land so to me that's like so much more impressive and like has to be higher in your rankings of golf course like when you're talking about like the impressiveness of a golf course like to be able to build

the sixth, seventh and eighth hole on a golf course as opposed to like, all right, here's a lot of like fucking cornfield or whatever. And we're just going to knock this all down and we're just going to build a golf course with Fescue in the middle of it. To me, being able to build something in the, even like Bethpage, to be able to build that golf course through a state park is so much more impressive than just like cutting out a square and dumping it in. Yeah.

I mean, I think you're discrediting Shinnecock a little bit. A little bit. Yeah. Like the rolling hills and how everything. comes back up to the clubhouse, like the ninth and 18th holes, how they come back over and up that hill, the 10th hole. How you tee off, you go down a huge hill and then up a huge hill to the 10th green, the 11th hole where they talk about, you know, it's the longest par five, or it's, yeah, it's the shortest par five in the world, and it's, you know, 150-yard hole that guys are making

double on all the time because it's such crazy undulations and hills. Like, though, it's not just purely flat, but I would, like, I think something that's a testament to what you're saying is YP, who's, you know, young page views does all the outdoors, barsful outdoors, when he was there filming filming the Mulligan challenge, which was the first one ever done, you know, he brought up multiple times, he's like, hey, isn't this course really highly ranked? And he's like, I don't get it. And that's the eye test from a guy who knows nothing about golf and doesn't play golf. He just appeared at this venue. And then when he went to, you know, Pable or whatever the next year, he's like, oh, I fucking get this. And Dave,

did the same thing. It was like, I have to bring my parents to Pebble. But when they go to Shinnecock, they're not wowed by it. Whereas places like Pebble or Cabot or Bannon or Whistling Straits, like those places, wow you. Yeah. Right. And that's the whole views game because like that to me is views, views where you talk about

like an Okman, a Shinnecock, a Pinehurst. Like you go there and you're like, well, this isn't like, what am I looking at? This is supposed to be the best thing in the world. But then you play it and it. It speaks to itself, whether Ogmont's greens, Shinnecock to the undulation, or Pinehurst and the Turtleback Greens, there's something about it that, like,

just wows you as you play it and, like, see the best people in the world play it. But, yeah, it is, it's different in the way that they're, like, perceived and basically, like, taken by others. Because, yeah, like, Pebble is mind-boggling on the eyes. I mean, 17, 18, 14. Also, at the end of the day, if I get, like, my dick kicked in by a golf course, I think I'm more happy walking off a course where at least like I got to take,

like I was like, holy shit, there's a place I'll never be again because of like, I'm on another planet. You got a couple, you got a couple of Instagram stories out of it. Right. As opposed to like, oh, the greens at Oakmont were so fucking phenomenal. I five by the mall. Like, that's pretty sick. Like, they were so good that I got absolutely destroyed today.

Like, like, and I guess that always seeps into my rankings of golf courses and my perception of them because like not that like the harder courses i don't like but like it's just that fun ability work right that's like if oakmont's big fucking thing is that their greens are so difficult and beautiful and hard and crazy movement to them why would i enjoy that more because i'm i'm literally playing it i'm trying to just get the ball in the hole i'm like when i see a huge hill when i'm playing that round i'm like what the fuck get that get this thing out of here i want a flat put well so yeah to that point like you'd want like you want mammoth tunes you know like right right And that is, and I love that side of a too, but then I love going to Oakmont because it is just a test.

Like, if your game is good for a couple holes, you'll be like, dude, that was an awesome stretch. Like I think the eighth of the Oakmont is a 250-yard par three. And we played it from the back. And I put a three wood to like eight feet. Now I didn't make the putt, but like, I'll always remember that, you know? And then you play mammoth and you get to see like the ball, you can like pull it way left, but it hits a ridge and comes back down. and you get to watch it, and it kind of rewards just like your everyday fun.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I like both sides of it. And, yeah, I think that, I think, yeah, to Seth Waus point is like fun ability,

whatever the word you want to use. We got to find out what that word was. About the walk and about the people you're with and just like having beers outside with some tunes and just enjoying the day. Yeah. That's always going to be what it's about. But I do think, like if you have 20 foot putts all day and they're all just perfectly flat,

like I think that's boring and just, not even though you might, whereas if you have a 20 foot put and you got to like play it six feet right to this little slope and then it trickles down the hill towards the whole. Like I think that's just more fun. Like not that every putt should be like that, but if you just had a perfectly flat course in a field all day, that would be like, oh yeah, that was easy. And like, I actually like making birdies, but people would be like, well, that wasn't fun. It was just fucking boring.

I think a few success actually hit that 20 foot trickle down put, then yes, that's more fun. But at the end of the day, if you're on a five-hole birdie stretch, and your last five putts were straight dead into the center. I don't think you're really complaining when you're on that sixth hole and you're like four or five under and you're like, let's fucking go. We're rolling right now. Like I don't think you're like,

this course stinks. It's flat. Like I think you're like, I need the next hole right now. As opposed to like, oh my God, that putt I just trickled down. Went off the green.

We're at Tobacco Road. I just fucking was putting for par now making a nine. So like to that point, like we played Oakmont and the caddy was like, it was the second hole and the catty was like, if you want to keep this thing on the green, you have to hit the ball literally 20 or 30 yards, like right of the pin, like into the upslope and hopefully it will hold there.

And I was like, in my head, I was like, yeah, whatever. Like I understand your point, but I don't believe you. And then I went at the pin hit a really good shot. And it rolled like 40 yards away from the pin off the front of the green and just to a horrible position. And like, it is something to behold. Like, how the hell did they get this course in this shape that it can do? that because you play eyes an hour blue and it is literally just hit the ball at the flag and like it'll stop because the green as long as the rough it is all about how you play too and i've noticed that i'm very

biased towards my rankings depending on how i play them hated piner's number two love piner's number four yeah i was on like 90 while breaking 90 i palatine at pines number four and i couldn't break a hundred and 10 of pines number two because also it's not about what the golf course is to other people it's about how you experience it on that day during those 18 holes, that's the only gauge I can have. Sure, like it's fucking in the rankings. I didn't make those rankings. Sure, it's a, it's a U.S. Open golf course. I didn't pick that to be the U.S. Open golf course. The only version of that course that I'm supposed to make a decision about or an assessment about is that day. And if I'm constantly walking off the greens and being like this motherfucking place, like I can't make a putt. It's like five or

six holes are going to go by. I'm not even going to think about like what I'm, what the golf course even looks like. You know what I mean? I'm just so frustrated at the golf course. So it is all about how you play as well. Unless you get to multiple times and then you really get to get a feel for it, which I do see at Pioneers. Like the second time we played Pynast number two with kids, it was like a lot more fun. Now we also had four shots,

but I remembered a lot more shots because I wasn't as stressed about playing. Yeah, that's why Aaron Hills is my favorite golf course on the planet. Like Aaron Hills, I can't remember a fucking hole. Shot 103. Can't remember a shot. I shot 102 and I remember fucking everything. Yeah, we had a good round. We had more.

That was a lurch. That was one of the best days ever. But the good thing is about all of this, because I think everybody's making a lot of good points, all these different types of golf courses exist. Like everything that we all want in a different golf course, they're all out there. So it's like,

you can like different parts that, like, Frankie obviously likes a different part of golf courses than Riggs-like, but the fact of the matter is, you can pull up examples of the ones that you like because those golf courses exist. Yeah. So I have a question for you,

because you guys, you know, you'll make fun of me and Pippoo this, but golf reviews via Lurch is actually a domain that you can log. to currently. I just got sick. Is someone got a tons? I know, I figured.

If you, this is my, you have some tops. So my ranking system is as follows. Views and aesthetics, pace of play, layout, scorable,

intangibles, which includes like, basically like experience, general vibe, the history, cart service, pro shop, driving range.

And then green. History getting lumped in together with the cart service. Yeah, just in tangible. It's like, well, Payne Stewart made the putter, but they also have these really sick walking carts. So that's like a seven and a half, I guess. Greens, costs for upkeep in value, and then the 19-fold.

Great point, Frankie, really good point. But I'm interested to know what your thoughts are and if there's other things that you would add. Like part of me wants to just add a column that just counts as like fun, like just a fun meter of one through ten. After talking to Seth, well, I don't know if it was. because we were drinking Australian beer in Australia, but him talking to me, we may have to get this guy back on the show, and it also is PGA Championship Week,

so maybe we could talk to this guy about fucking PGA. But I'll never assess a golf course aside from just number one. Like I know I just said fucking views, aura, and golf course, but like fun has to be in there as well. It's got to be something that you're constantly, constantly talking about when you're talking about golf course rankings. It has to be. yeah I couldn't agree more but I think fun like where does fun come from right like the views

the views factor into that like oh man I had such a good time I was in a good mood I was looking at the fucking ocean like course I was having fun so I think right right like that's that's a that's a factor whereas like you say if you go out to oakmont you should get your teeth kicked in the whole time you know you shoot 115 you're like well that wasn't very fucking what maybe you have to like in your head be like all right if I if I belonged to every golf course in the top 100 which one would I want to go play like the most like every day as opposed to like maybe once every month right yeah like when you're on each course be like if i was a member here or if i had a 10 day stay here where i want to play this multiple time but i want to keep getting my dick kicked in or do i want to play the course across

the street that was like much easier to walk had nicer undulations off the t-bott like higher t-shots all the stuff because maybe it's just like a fun or golf course to play a more fun golf course to play that's how i'm going to do it i think a good test too is like when you play when you finish on 18 do you want to go right back to the first T and play it again? You know, like, we've had that. Or do you want to run to your car and like never look back? Turn on the A-Z and never look, yeah. Right.

That's exactly right. And so, you know, that's not going to work every time. But look, at the end of the day, like, there's a reason that, like, beachfront property and real estate is significantly more expensive than parkland property in real estate. Like, views matter. Like, that affects people and people care about that stuff. So if you have the exact same golf course that's designed, it's fun, it checks all the boxes from some architectural standpoint.

It's got great history. You put one in the middle of the fucking trees, you know, in North Carolina, and you put another one on the cliffs and on the ocean. Like, people are going to gravitate towards the one on the cliffs and the ocean. That's just a fact. That's, again, the reason that cliff front, beachfront property is significantly more expensive and valuable because we, We value that stuff. So that's going to matter and factor in. But I do think you have to have a little bit of all three to have to be kind of at the top of all the viral.

Bottom line is just incredibly jealous that he can't play Shinnecock. And on my last point of Sage Valley is in the land golf course. And it's one of my favorites of all time because it looks like fucking Augusta. And also the plenability and I played great. And my caddy was an all-time aura. like that made me love that golf course so much more than any other place I had been to the point where it's in my top five forever and we only played nine holes yeah that place was cool that place was really cool every t-shot at sage valley looked like a like a you could

printed it yeah well then we played the par three course because we were getting to the event so like we played nine holes on the part three so we also didn't know like we were trying to schedule out our whole trip we didn't know that sage was going to be that sweet So, dude, every T-shot looked like you could print it out and hang it above your bed. It was crazy. Isn't it the background on your phone? Yeah, it's a crazy nice golf course. I mean.

Yeah, the photos you would pass along. Stupid. Mine box. Yeah, really awesome. Four on there. What is that? Piner's number four? Yeah, this is the seventh hole piders number four.

Yeah, I recognize that. It's a good shot. It's a good discussion. I think a lot of people and, like, no matter how much you try to deny it, how you played affects your... Maybe number one. You're incredibly mature and like,

and you have a much better brain than me. If you can go out there, get your dick kicked in and then, like, assess the history and architecture. Well said. As opposed to, like, me being like, I fucking hope this place burns from a fire

because, like, I really just don't care about anything, like, whoever made this golf course, like, you sucked at it. Dude, when we play, played whistling straights. I actually said to our caddy on the ninth hole when I was looking for my bowl in the fescue, I said,

this place fucking sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I hated Spyglass when we went out there with, like, Whitney, because I couldn't hit the golf. Oh,

I played great at Spyglass. I didn't think about Spyglass as a course I've played because, like, it was so early in the morning, I think I shot 110. And I was just like, I don't even remember playing Spyglass. But then we played NPCC. And we did.

Me and Riggs played MPCC the next day. and I still played like shit, but I had one good shot on that par three over, like into the fucking ocean, literally into the middle of the ocean into like the Bermuda Triangle. And like that made my whole experience so much better. Just one good shot.

Like I'll always think about that golf course. That's just going to matter every time. There's no way to it. I wish it didn't matter as much, but it always will. Well, you're playing a game. You're not there fucking, you're still playing a game, right?

So, and I hate, it has to badger into it. Every time I play, I go play golf, it's a mess. It's never like I never just go play with my buddies and not have anything on the line. It's always a match.

So like I hate losing. So if I play shitty, I'm also going to lose. I'm also going to have to buy my buddy dinner or beers or whatever. And he's also going to rub it in my face. So it just becomes miserable. It's like if if you're playing, you know, and you go, you're playing like college hockey, you go play at Michigan or something and you go get, you lose five nothing. You leave like, oh, what was it like at?

at Yost. Like, what was it? Like, it fucking sucked. Like, this is the worst. You're not going to have a good memory of that. Right. Where you go and win, you're going to, yeah, their rank's so cool. It's so historic.

It's great. So, yeah, well, you fucking want. The fans were yelling at me, but, like, it was so much fun. Like, I loved the energy. And it was like, yeah, it's true. It's bad. You lose. You're going to have a fucking piece of shit.

With all this being said, I will gladly accept an invite to Shinnock. And I'll gladly play it so I can have my fair assessment of it. I'm not always on the outside looking in. How's that sound? Right? Let me go play the golf course and let me figure it out for myself. Trent's right. That entire discussion spawned from severe jealousy.

Well, I really want to play national and he hasn't played national yet. And I'm like, well, you haven't played like the real golf course out there yet. He's like, well, Shinnock's like the number four golf course in the world. I was like, well, national is like number three. National. So I believe our friend links jims, if you trust his sort of judgment on courses, he goes, I think, National Golf Links 1A and Cypress Point 1B. And so-

Because National is in the same area, and it's just got, to me, looking at the pictures, it's just got so much more character from whole to whole. And I don't know because I haven't played Chinatuck. I went there for the U.S. Open, walked it with Dave. But I kind of had the same YIP feeling where it's like, I don't get it. But when I look at pictures of National, I'm like, well, now that's a golf course. Yeah.

That's a, and when I look a picture, there's a Cyprus, I'm like, that's a golf course. Not saying Shinnock's not. I'll still accept an invite. Really good flag right by the clubhouse, just like that red flag. Phenomenal clubhouse. The whole deal, really good stuff at Shinnock when I was driving through. Also, there was like six kids getting taught by one guy all hitting into a green on like the practice area. And all six kids hit like simultaneously.

It was like shot, shot, shot, shot, shot. And they all hit the green within like three feet of the pin. And I'm like, those kids are going to grow up to be. absolute menaces on the golf court. All right. It's major championship time. People are going to be listening to us. They're going to be watching golf.

They're going to be watching the tiger. We're watching Rory. Kiz. J.T. Everybody's playing, competing for a major championship. It's awesome. So follow along.

We'll obviously be tweeting. We'll be blogging it. I'll be around trying to get whatever I can. So it'll be a fun weekend. Enjoy the PGA. That's all I got, boys. So hit it hard. Hit it hard.

Hit it hard. It's hard.