Fore Play - Tom Kim & Tommy Fleetwood

Episode Date: September 29, 2022

Tom Kim and Tommy Fleetwood join the show. Tom Kim is fresh off Presidents Cup stardom and discusses: huge celebrations, big putts, Immelman as captain, partying with Team USA Sunday night and turning pro as a 15 year old. Tommy Fleetwood has recently moved to Dubai and is preparing for this week’s Dunhill Links and discusses: Ryder Cup matches, carrying multiple 3-irons, a big gap in wedges used, the Old Course for The Open vs the Dunhill Links, and Fore Play flying a drone into a tree the first time we ever filmed together. The crew also discusses NASA’s asteroid collision video, new LIV lawsuit happenings, and Charlie Woods’ career-low 68.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. It was a huge party for the whole team, and we had some fun. So I was out pretty late. It was my first official party. Ever? Ever. But I didn't drink.

I was hammering on water. Don't worry. What do you mean you never been to a party? That was your first time being around a collection of people celebrating something? Yeah, kind of. Four play presented by Barstool Sports, brought to you by our very good friends at Chevy. Chevy EVs, a big show. We got two guests on this show in theory.

We're in a weird spot where we have recorded with one of them. We have not recorded with the second. But I do believe you're going to have Tommy Fleetwood on this show, who's going to come second. And the next voice you're going to hear that's not one of these four is going to be Tom Kim, the international hero, the lightning rod from the President's Cup, who won. the Wyndham Championship, which is one of my favorite tournaments now in Greensboro just a couple months ago, is going to grace us with his presence on this very show. Extremely excited to talk to Tom Kent, boys.

Tommy, a bunch of Tommy's. Just two Tommies. Oh, true. Yeah, the Toms. That's a strong show, though. Tommy Fleetwood, one of the best characters in the golf world, even though he doesn't even try and be. Just like looking at Tommy Fleetwood, he's a character.

He's got the hair. He's got the look. We've got the history with him where I said he fucks. It didn't really go over well, but now we're best friends with them. And then, yeah, Tom Kim is just an electric factory. He kind of just took everyone by storm at this president's cup. I mean, we had Danny Rapaport kind of letting us know that this was coming. He saw this storm coming.

And then it still hit you like a ton of bricks. Like I still wasn't prepared for it. It's like, who the hell is this guy going fucking nuts? So yeah, I'm really excited to talk to him. I think this was a massive week for Tom Kim. And I know that because it like some of my friends who aren't really huge golf friends. fans were like, whoa, this guy's electric. Like, it was, you didn't need to be a golf fan to realize that what he was doing out there

was not normal. And I thought it was awesome that it like, it kind of got under the American skin a little bit. And then afterwards, they were like taking pictures and everyone was good, which just goes to show you, like, all is fair and love and war and team competitions. Like, you can do whatever you want. Afterwards, everyone's going to have a drink together and hang out. So it was really cool to see Tom Kim kind of piss all the Americans off. And then they all kind of embraced him afterwards.

That is a good measure of it. when people who aren't golf fans start texting you. I remember the early days of Bryson Deschambeau, we've now gone down that rabbit hole a million miles. But in the early days of Bryson, we would be getting texts from people at Barstool who weren't golf fans being like, what's the deal with this guy? So that's, you know, hopefully it doesn't end that way,

but hopefully, you know, I think he's going to, I think Tom Kim's going to be a superstar. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. He's great. It's cool. You know, I would say in the, in the U.S. too, in our market, there hasn't really been, for the most part, an Asian player that breaks out personality-wise, right? There's been Hedeky won the Masters and the whole scene afterwards with this caddy,

who also had an amazing scene after the President's Cup where everybody on the U.S. team signed his body, which was phenomenal. Clearly, that guy's a beauty. Fun fact, we have a signed barstool t-shirt from that moment. We sold the moment where he took the flag and bowed to the golf course, Augusta National, on the 18th hole. we sold that on t-shirts and then sent a bunch to hadeki and his caddy because they literally requested them and then his caddy signed one thank you barstool in japanese and sent it back and we actually have that if we ever get our own studio or something like that or if i make a studio

maybe i'll put that in my studio but anyways long story short there really has not been an asian player that personality-wise i feel like has broken through clearly there are cultural barriers clearly there are often language barriers and even someone like Hadeki who's awesome and I think very well liked. He's pretty quiet, sticks to himself. He's very modest. Tom Kim seems like he could be this, you know, one of the first Asian players in the PGA tour who breaks through not only golf wise and the energy, but personality wise. It feels like he's breaking through pretty quickly. He's only 20 years old. And that's that just seems like it's been very rare. It has been rare, and I think it's, you know, you always cringe when you say like, oh, the language barrier because you don't know if that's going to like come off the wrong way. But it's just true, right? Like it's just, Hideki Matsiyama is a massive, massive star in Japan, like a enormous, enormous star. He's everywhere. He's all over billboards. I've been there. He's everywhere. But in the U.S., I mean, he just, he doesn't speak English publicly. So it's just hard. It's just hard for fans to identify with someone who they can't, they feel like they can't communicate with directly. You know, it's always through an interpreter. So, and it's not just that Tom Kim, you know, speaks English. He speaks perfectly. He speaks perfectly. He speaks perfectly. perfect English. Like he's completely, completely fluent, and he's funny and he's smart and he's driven. And yeah, I think you're right, Wittig's, he does have this unique potential to combine these

two massive markets where he's, he's going to be a huge star in Asia. I'm sure he already is a huge star in Korea. And I think he's going to be a huge star here because, you know, everyone loves the guy who stars on the losing team, right? Because they're so unthreatening, right? It's like, oh, I love Tom Kim. He was awesome, right? He didn't beat us. It wasn't like, I hate him. He was awesome. He was cute. It was cute out there. Exactly. That's the exact. That's the Zach thought I had what are seeing the President's Cup post-party pictures was like, oh, this guy's great. And he's not really a threat to us because we're, you know, we've won 12 of these in a row or whatever. He's not a threat.

Yeah. I'm excited to talk to him. I'm really, really pumped to talk to him. I think he's going to be great in the show. And then we have Tommy Fleetwood, who, like Frankie said, we have a funny history with Tommy Fleetwood. He's pretty dry sense of humor, but a great one. He clearly exhibits that with us. And then he, you know, we talk a lot about he was pumped about the President's Cup.

He said that he watched as much of it as he could. He lives in Dubai now, which we get into. And we spoke about Rider Cup performances, especially 2018 in Paris. When he and Molanari, Francesco Molanari, just were unstoppable, basically, as a team. They dusted a bunch of U.S. He beat Tiger Woods three different times that week. So we get into a lot of cool stuff with Tommy Fleet where we get into some tailor-made equipment stuff, the picks balls that he uses.

So a little bit, you know, we're very, you know, the four-play, difference is that we'll go weeks without an interview and then in one show we're going to have two huge interviews so you just don't know what the fuck we're doing we don't really know what we're doing but i'm pumped that people are going to get this show that's going to have two huge interviews in it yeah and right now we're trying to stay restrained this is we don't want to bury the interview so we're just we're just i i think it's it's a fair point rigs texted before being like yeah we don't want to bury these interviews and he's right because we have a tendency to have sweet interviews like we do on this show and then just talk for an hour and a half about God knows what.

So we might as well talk about the planetary defense thing that went on yesterday then right now because we have about 20 minutes. Let's talk about Chevy first. Let's talk about Chevy first. Can we do that? It's even more important. Honestly, planetary defense seems like the most important thing in the universe, but I think Chevy might be more important.

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That is fast. Brendan Jones. Alex Bush. We got a new guy. We got a couple new guys behind the scenes. We've had Jake Bassel. I don't know how they do it. I don't know what the hell they're doing back there.

Kyle Ryan. Max. Max. Jeez, you got a whole fucking team coming at you. Like you wouldn't fucking believe. I never even met these human beings and they're cranking out our videos. So extremely well done by the crew.

So we're actually going to be released. this video at noon today islanders four man scramble we're putting it out at 12 o'clock eastern time we didn't want to step on any toes with the barstool mini golf competition that's going on tonight so that's on the main youtube page but on four play golf youtube page today noon we're all going to be in the chat make sure you watch this video this is going to be a big one for me i mean it's my childhood team it's my current team it's the team that i wake up they're the reason i wake up honestly the new york islanders So the fact that we were able to play them in a match is fucking insane. 12 o'clock, noon, eastern, let's go.

It's going to be an amazing video. These guys are hilarious. The match is incredible. So let's all watch it. And we'll be there in the chat. Make sure you join us. YouTube for Play golf. Check that bitch out today.

We got the New York Islanders. Your squad, Frank. The bigger game is you've ever played it. This is as big of a game. Yeah, I mean, you know, the kid that. On Long Island. We played on Long Island. Oh, we played at Glen Oaks, which is as elite of a golf course as you can possibly

play at the place looks like fucking augusta national honestly if you're if you just want to see what glen oaks looks like on drone and on our cool cameras that's worth the click right there um i mean it's a very exclusive golf course and i'm very happy and i think we should all be very proud that we were able to get on to that course and film it i mean i don't know how many people can do that's crazy prideful for sure it is a prideful moment um but yeah Craig over there the super is just he's disgustingly good at his job he used to work at augusta now he works at glen oaks so i mean he's got that place completely dialed in. I mean, Section 221 row AC5 and 6,

I was sitting there for every single game for 10 years from when I was 7 to 17. I mean, you're talking about the fact that I'm going to be out there with Matt Barzell, Andersley, Kyle Clutterbuck and Brock Nelson playing in a competition. Come on, man. That video is going to be insane to rewatch. I mean, Brendan's texting me saying it's one of the funniest ones we've done

just because these guys are, they're hockey guys, number one, which always just delivers in the banter. And number two, they've played together their, like their whole professional lives. Like Brock Nelson and Anders Lee have come up together. They've never been on another team. Barzell's never been on another team.

Clutterbuck's been there for what, like seven or eight years at this point. So, I mean, they're very unique in the fact that they've grown up together and four of them, five of them, six of them on that core team is they're so tight in their family. So you'll see that pretty evidently in this video

that they are just the tightest group of guys of all time. So scrambles tonight, check that out on our YouTube page. And then other than that, we've got the two interviews coming up. We've got to talk about Frankie, the most pressing thing probably to any human in the world that has a brain similar to yours is what's going on now? So NASA yesterday intentionally slammed one of their, I guess, like, I think they're calling it the dart. They slammed their dart into a asteroid seven million miles away. And apparently, apparently it was a successful mission.

The video is very suspect. I will say that. I mean, it's like the clearest most zoomed-in video of an asteroid being hit from 7 million miles away that you could possibly imagine. It clearly looks like a video that they... Oh, my dad told me about this yesterday. This is big news. They clearly just CGIed it. But here's the real...

I mean, it's obviously a fake video. I mean, if you guys have seen the video, it's the most fake video you've ever seen your entire life. But the thing I want to talk about is the fact that, you know, the movie this is... Don't Look Up came up. the beginning of the year or maybe last year, I can't remember at this point. But it seems like they're really just sneaking in the fact that these asteroids and these comets that are just woozing by us at millions of miles an hour are becoming a real issue. Like the movie came out.

That felt like that was subliminal messaging of like, this is going to happen one day and this is what the reaction is going to be. Now all of a sudden I'm watching an interview and I'm watching a press conference happen where they're like, this will be a problem. And we as NASA, we are like, we work for humanity. We don't just work for America. We don't just work for different countries. We work for all of humanity to make sure that one day when this problem does arise,

that we have at least like a couple of test runs to try and knock this fucking comet out of space from hitting us and destroying Earth. Right. What a conspiracy theorist would say is that they are slowly getting us used to the idea of an asteroid heading straight for us. and that we got to prepare for that, right? Like that movie is like, hey, this can happen. And now they're like, hey, in case one does this, we can throw a dart at it and knock it off course. Is there already an asteroid headed towards that they haven't told us about?

Who knows? I don't know who has the answers to these questions. Worst part is these asteroids can come from behind the sun and we won't see it until it's too late. Have you ever heard about that one? That feels like such a like an elementary way for the world to end, which is like, oh, there was this asteroid coming in like, yeah, just happened to be in the blind spot

the rearview mirror. Yeah. It could, though. It could easily. I mean, planetary defense is such a word that I didn't even know. That's not even a thing that we could do and we're doing it. I mean, it's two words. It's two words.

It's two words that I didn't know that we could accomplish. It's about as serious as it gets. Can we accomplish that? Was that a successful trip to a comet yesterday or an asteroid? I mean, I don't know. You want to know how stupid I am. I was watching the video and it went all the way through. and I was like, why didn't we get to see the explosion?

I don't understand what happened. And it's that you're from the camera, theoretically, is inside of the dart. So it's just, it goes into it and then you don't see anything because it exploded. The thing that you were watching it on is the camera view. Right. That I was confused at first with, which is how stupid I am. I've been working the phones for the last like 10 minutes. I don't know if you guys been seeing me.

But so three more guys. I tweeted earlier this morning that Phil Mickelson had dropped out of the lawsuit against the PGA Tour, which was initially called Mickelson v. PGA Tour. Now Taylor Gooch, Hudson Swofford, and Ian Poulter have all also dropped out. So there are just three players left. Matt Jones, Peter Uline, and Bryson D. Shambo. So it seems like this thing is going to end up, this seems like this

thing is going to end up being just Live Golf against the PGA Tour, none of these initial players, which is interesting because, as we'll talk about what Tommy Fleetwood later in this episode, we talked about how the relationships between players, Everything was cool, right? When they guys left, go do your thing, do what you want to do. It's when the players turned around and sued the other players, that thing started to get a little tense. And so it feels like, I don't know if it's because the Live guys didn't realize that it would elicit such a strong response or, you know,

it probably is because they don't want their stuff to be as easily findable and, like, discovery and, you know, the court to be able to access their documents and stuff. But it does seem like the lawsuit is trending toward just being Live Golf versus the PG. tour. So I thought that was worth sharing. Does that take the teeth out of the lawsuit? Or what does it actually mean when the players start dropping out? I think it just makes it a lot harder. Like they become, I was actually talking to Emma, my fiance, who's a lawyer. And she was telling me that like once you drop out your name out of the lawsuit, you're just like a member of the general public. So they can, anyone in the world is subject to subpoena, like the court can still subpoena documents, but it's a higher bar to

subpoena documents for a member of the general public than for someone who's named in the lawsuit. So it seems to me like discovery is happening soon in this lawsuit. Like they're going to start finding documents and looking through emails and doing all that, you know, kind of scandalous stuff. And it seems like some of these players probably just wanted no part of that. Yeah, you just don't want people going through your stuff. It's pretty much that simple. It seems like. I would imagine Phil Mickelson really doesn't want people going through his stuff. Right, which is why it was kind of surprising that he put his name on the, on the lawsuit initially, because if there is stuff that, you know, you want to hide and you don't want authorities to see being the face of the lawsuit against, you know, one of the six

or seven major sports organizations of the United States seems like a bit of a curious choice. So we're going toward Live versus PGA Tour, which kind of seemed like where this was all going. But it's just interesting when you hear all the PJ Tour players being like, you know, we were cool when we left. But when they sued us, like, that's when we started to have a problem. And if you're Phil, you've kind of gotten what you wanted out of this already, right? You've, you got the payday, whatever it was. And you got the PJ Tour and all of its stars to, enact all these changes that otherwise wouldn't have happened. Like if you're Phil, that feels like two victories right in a row.

I mean, we've already heard a number of different guys be like, yo, I think it was Andrew Schaulhly, who's kind of the biggest name player who was like, yeah, like Phil was kind of right. Like, you know, the things that he wanted. It's a bummer the way he handled it. It's a bummer the way that, you know, it happened and things played out with him. But I think you're right. I think Phil kind of, you know, he's giving up the chance of like a lot of money.

Like when you're, you know, by not being part of the lawsuit now, I don't think he's entitled to like financial damages like he would be if he was part of the lawsuit. But yeah, it seems like he's giving up the money in order to protect some documents, which, you know, if you're Phil Mickelson, that might be worth it. I would say that's definitely worth it. Incredibly worth it. Riggs is battling some Wi-Fi issues right now, I think. I think he's in a hotel. Yeah.

I think he's still in Connecticut, maybe. How was he yesterday? How was the final classic? It was good. It was good. The weather was beautiful. That golf course, Woodway country. It looked really pure.

I saw some pictures. It looked awesome. really nice it's a really nice place yeah everybody had a good time like i said the weather was beautiful couldn't have been a more perfect day new york's getting to that perfect spot and i know we're all in new york i know you're in colorado right now dan but it's getting to that point where it's right now it's like it's like 65 outside and it's just perfecto oh dude i i last night um was so we've got when we got the house the backyard came with a hot tub it was like it's like it was one of the things that i made sure i was like oh is that thing for sure working like the inspector that walked around the house when we were

buying it was like i was like can you just make sure you're the hot tub first to make sure all that shit's working so last night we pulled the tv outside put it on a table and watched uh monday night football from the hot tub and that oh man bro that like crisp in the air and like you know you're talking like 98 degree water just bubbling around you is like that that is a game changer that i've really never experienced before i never big a hot tub guy never really like found myself around them that much obviously just a pathetic body so in public i don't like to take my shirt off but like in my own home now come on man i'm gonna be out there floating around like crazy in that thing that seems like an absolute lock for money that's the right but that's the weather

change is like you don't do that in the summer it's something about like once that air conditioning type like it's almost like we just got it down to like 67 with a with a with a cool breeze it's like whoa this is big time now that's dude get ready get ready to use that hot tub in the December months when it's far freezing outside yeah but then now you can't get out that's the problem getting out of a hot tub might be the worst feeling in the world. Yeah, when it's like 25 degrees outside, the run to the hot tub is amazing because you're like, I'm about to hit pay dirt. And then when you get out, it is horrific.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of seasonal changes. So as you said, right, it's becoming to be full. The leaves are changing up here in Colorado. We went on a hike with my parents and Emma yesterday. And they were all freaking out about the colors, about how beautiful all the different changing colors are. No, no, no.

And it, something clicked to me. I'm ready for the glasses. I'm ready to try them. I'm ready to try them. How old are you? I'm 27. It's been a lot. They've been around for like six or seven years and I just haven't been ready to try them.

But yesterday I was like, you know what? Like this is clearly, this walk that we're on is clearly so much more beautiful for you guys than it is for me. And I might as well try them. You know, if I don't like them and if they don't work, that's one thing. But I think I'm ready to try them. So we got to get that on video. I was, that is amazing. I really want that to happen.

Have you been against using the glasses in the past? Yeah. I have because, like, once, in my mind, it was like, I didn't know if they were, it was early in the process, right? So I don't know if they were perfect. I didn't want to put them on if they were like only going to half work. And then also, if you put them on and they do work, then you can never go back. Right. And that's what I've been wary of is like, do I really want to open this can of worms where I can see?

And then I have to wear these glasses. I was telling them rigs that we went on a walk. It heard everything. Had my headphones in the whole time. Yeah, I'm ready for, I'm ready for. I'm ready for. I think I'm ready. I think I'm ready.

I do see what he's saying though. Like why even get a tease of what the world actually looks like? Because then everything or the, or maybe your brain will work in a way where it's like, oh, now I know what that actually does look like. So it'll almost change it. Yeah, we were talking about that with my parents. I was like,

I have no idea what impact it's going to have on me because I've never seen the color purple. I've never seen something. I've been like, that's purple. So like can my brain even process purple? Like, what am I going to have to learn? How do you know what purple is? I don't. I don't.

I don't. I don't. How do you know you haven't seen it? I mean, I've never an idea of what it might look like. Sort of. I mean, I went to Northwestern, so they're purple.

But like every, all of their shirts to me are just, they just look the same as blue. I guess blue is, what is the, like the podcast app on Apple? What does that look like to you? Like color.

Blue, just blue, yeah. Okay, gotcha. Blue is a bunch of blues. Blue is like a cousin to purple for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's just purple without the red, right? I mean, isn't that sort of, something like that. Blue and red. Having to explain colors is.

so impossible. Listen, man, if you want to try those glasses on, I want you to think about it long and hard. It sounds like you had a... Can we get them for Big Cedar? Because I mean, I feel like that's the ultimate foliage of all time. I feel like it might be a little, let me let me do a little little check here. Do you need to like go like get a consultation? I think you do need to get a consultation. If you're going to get like the right ones, I would guess they have like multiple different like is there different types of colorblindness? Maybe we'll do a full eye, a full eye show where Trenton has a Lasic surgery. You go and get your. consultation for being...

I got some eye issues. I could join the party. Briggs fixed his eyes. That was years ago, but we could always plug that in. I mean, we've just, we're just an eye fucking podcast. I actually think that'd be a great idea for this, like,

period of time where it's, oh, they're expensive. Oh, they're very expensive. I mean, that's kind of, that's not surprising, but they're expensive. What are we talking? We're talking like, what?

Let us guess. Let us guess. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm just looking at Enchroma, which is sort of the brand that I've heard of. I got a number in my head, but I really don't know. I'm going to say $500.

I'm going to say like $400. Yeah, it's about $389. Yeah. Oh, come on. Do you see the world? That's like, they're fucking pennies. Also, you could have said $3,000. I wouldn't.

I mean, I was just kind of guessing. I just don't know if it's going to work. And if it works, am I ever going to be able to not wear them? That's the thing. Like, am I going to have to wear, am I going to become Trent and just wear glasses all the time, except for Trent's going to stop wearing glasses? Am I going to become the glasses guy in the podcast? Imagine.

it just flips. I get LASIC and all of a sudden dancing. Like one person always has to wear glasses on the podcast. We pass it around. I'm sure that it'll end up being like putting on a 3D glasses where it's like, whoa, I'm seeing the world in a different way right now. And then you'll just like take them off and you'll be used to what you've been seeing for 27 years. I don't think it's going to change the way you think.

Well, the way I kind of conceptualize it is like, you know when you go into a Best Buy and they've got like the brand new TVs and you're like, holy shit. Like that is so crisp and the color is so vibrant. And I think that's what it's going to look like for me. But I don't know. Yeah. I do think it's a big decision. It is a big decision.

But I'm ready. You know, you have, with these big decisions, like, sometimes it's just like a moment where you're like, all right, I'm ready. And this is, I had that moment yesterday. It's like, Trent and I just decided we're going to get our eyes like taped back and laser off. So, I mean, that's just a decision. Yeah, what are they that shave off? What do they do? I don't know.

Are we actually doing it? I mean, are we, do we got a consultation or something? Yeah, I got to give the guy a date. I'm thinking it'll be in like November after we do all our stuff because I gotta go two weeks without wearing contacts and then like we have to go in

and then like a couple days after you can't do anything right I'm assuming you have to take it easy and I can go out and fucking I've done very limited research but I've heard that they've gotten good enough at it where it's like 24 to 48 Yeah

Yeah So yeah I think that's what we'll aim for early November I got to reach out to my guy Brad And then we'll see what's going on I got I got big news Kevin Kisner just texted me and he found out that he is 13th in the PIP standings. And if he can get into the top 10, he would be very grateful of the four play golf podcast and its large following. So I have a question, Dan, do we, is, is social media not count this year or does it?

I don't think it's clear. I don't think it's like. So should people just Google him? Like if all of our followers just Google Kevin Kisner like a million times a day, well, that help? I think that would probably help. Yeah. And I think if they maybe mention, I don't think it's like, it's not as social media is definitely part of it, but it's not like it's own category. But I also think the top 20 get paid out this year. So he's going to get money, it sounds like. All right. This show, we talk a lot about the President's Cup, Rider Cups, all kinds of events. The exclusive ticketing partner of Barstle Sports. If you want to go to an event, game time, fellas. Game time is where it's at. Game time. Islander seasons right around the corner. I think we're like 15 days out from opening night. Wow. Trent Daddy and I will for sure be at opening night because of game time sitting right there rooting on our fellas. I can't wait, man. Game time is, and it's not just that. It's, you know, there's concerts everywhere. If you live in the New York City area, there's a concert that's happening every single night. It feels like October is a great month for concerts. So it's not just for sports. If you want to go see a show, make sure you go on game time. We've been using game time all year long. It's so easy. You could just open up this app. You can even get. get $20 off using the code four for your first purchase terms to apply. Download game time last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed.

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They're great. Use the code for. Get $20 off your first purchase. I think we can definitely, you know, help Kisner out. If at some point we want to talk percentages, that's up to the group. But I would definitely be open to helping Kevin Kisner get into the top 10 of the PIP rankings. Yeah. Yeah, if he gets into the top 10, are we entitled to like, I don't know, maybe 2%.

We have talked to him about it. You know, I think his argument would be that like he's helped our business. We can help his business. That's fair. Yeah, but our business doesn't come with that kind of payout. Well, his business is also, like, as he goes up with the, with the PIP program, it's like, it's been coinciding with our videos and us talking about him. I think it's been a mutual, it's been a mutual growth.

Does he want to do a four-man scramble rematch? Oh, that's probably a really good idea. Probably a really good idea. I think that would probably put him over the edge, right? It would certainly help. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that would be huge. And I didn't even think about a rematch. I didn't either.

Wow. We did it at like Palmetto. I feel like he'd kill us at Palmetto. Right, but then it would be one-in-one. Who cares? I want to win. I do want to win too, but at least like it'd be. more enticing for him to do it at his home

course. We've never lost in regulation to a PGA tour pro. That's true. God, when we played with him that one time at Palmetto, it felt like there was a magnet under his ball on the greens. He just knows that place. Back and forth. Yeah, that place is a problem for us. A couple from the galleries,

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Thank you for what you do, Ben, who tore his bicep playing golf. This happened on his first swing of the day and he went on to finish the round and post a 105. This 100 zone is insane, but it gets better. Dude has his left arm amputated in the 70s after a work injury. So basically he completed an entire round of golf with only his good arm being seriously injured. Is that one of the more impressive golf feats you've ever seen? I just thought we should give this person a shout out.

Amputated arm in the 70s, tears his bicep, finishes the round post a 105. It's a hell of a performance. Wow. This guy's built from the Tiger Woods Claw. Yeah. 105 with basically no arms. Speaking of Tiger Woods, do we talk about Charlie and Tiger Woods yet?

I don't think we did. I think it came out right after we recorded. So Charlie Woods posted like a career low 68, gives this interview, which was definitely a little bit awkward, but he's also, what is he 13 years old right? Is it how old he is?

I think that's right. I think he's about 13. The biggest takeaway is clearly Charlie Woods's hands. His hands are definitely like disproportionately large to his body right now for sure. For sure. There might be a wide receiver. Tight end. Larry Fitzgerald has gigantic hands.

Janus has giant hands. I mean, he's got big hands. I heard Arnold Palmer had gigantic hands. Dan, did you ever shake Arnold Palmer's hands? No. Arnold Palmer passed before I graduated high school or graduated college, I think. Is that right? Yeah, was it 2016?

Yeah, I graduated in 17. Are there any very successful athletes that have tiny hands? Hmm. I'm sure there are. Is it Kyler Merlin? Yeah. Small hands? I feel like there's always cute.

Yeah, that was this big thing. Drew Breeze. I think Drew Breeze has small hands. Doesn't Josh Allen have small hands? No, he has huge hands. Oh, it was the opposite. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Does he hurt? Professional athletes are big hand people. Josh Allen get hurt. Did I see that? Is he all right? Alex, is he all right? He's fine.

Okay. Okay. That's like the most high. Alex, I didn't bet on the dolphins, but sorry, pal. So you weren't the mush then? I was not the mush, but maybe the dolphins are just for real. What do you think? I bet on the bills.

No, they're injured. They're injured. It's all good. Yeah, I text Alex for, because I've been riding the Buffalo Bills. I mean, we're only in like week three, but I think they're great. And I've been betting them every week. And then I was texting Alex about it. And I was like, I just put in bills minus four and a half.

And he just responded our secondary is out. So that wasn't a great omen for the game. No, that's not great. Big Cedars coming up next week. So actually the next time we do a podcast, I think we will be live from Big Cedar Lodge. Is that correct? Holy shit, that's right.

Yeah, excited. Really, really excited. I've been looking at videos online and stuff. I did a little bit of research on Ozarks National. Today I'll do some Paines Valley research. I can't wait. I've brought it up a couple times when people are like at the classic or at the President's Cup.

Like what's on the agenda for you guys coming up? And I'll say we're going to Big Cedar and their jaws at the floor. They've either been there and it's the greatest place. in the world or they want to go there because they know they've heard it's the greatest place in the world so i'm very excited for big cedar it's going to be cool missouri i get to show off my home state we just did a i wonder scramble which you get to watch which is a little bit of frankie's life you get to see where i used to vacation as a child in the ozarks of missouri it's a stunning spot uh each course too there's the tiger course there's um court Crenshaw course and then the other was

Buffalo Ridge um was redone i want to say i can't remember exactly who the architect is. I don't know if we could find it on the internet real quick. But it's really, really good too. And before they actually built Ozarks National and Payne's Valley, it was considered by a lot of people, like their favorite public course in the entire state. Now it's kind of third fiddle to the other two. Fun fact, too, Ozarks National is where Phil Mickelson won, I think, his first ever senior tour event. A couple of years ago. I remember that. Buffalo Ridge was designed by Tom Fosia. So another Titan of the golf architecture industry.

Okay. So yeah, anyways, we'll be a big cedar. I'm sure we'll be posting some videos and some social stuff. And then obviously saving the main videos for when the travel series comes out. Kiz said he's only got four days left. It appears in the PIP. He said, Google Kevin Kisner and social media mentions help him. So if you're sitting around right now and you're a fan of what Kisner's done on our show and in our videos, just go Google them.

Just Google them like a million times today while you're sitting here fucking. desk. So there's a cutoff is October, you're saying? What are you saying? Because I guess it would be seasonal? Is that like the first season? I don't know. Because no, remember last year?

Remember last year Phil claimed victory? But it was before all the Charlie Wood stuff came in from December. So maybe they changed it. But last year it definitely went through December because Phil tried to, Phil legitimately tried to claim big. It's actually one of the more underrated things he's ever done. He tried to stop the count the PIP program. And then Tiger dunked on him.

It was pretty amazing. Yeah. It was pretty great. Google Kevin Kiddish should still play us in a rematch so that he doesn't have to be like clawing at the at the gates of the top 10 next year. He'll just start off, you know, maybe we'll do one in like December or November and he'll just start off in first. I agree. We got to do a rematch. And that's an easy one.

He would do that in a heartbeat. We could just go right to him, do it at Palmetto. Maybe we could even do it at Sage. Imagine if we did it at Sage. We could show that place off. God. Kiz said it changed to the end of this month. So anyways, if you're out there, Google.

the shit out of them, mention them on social media. I don't care what you're tweeting about. I don't care if you're tweeting about the bills on Thursday night. Just write Kevin Kisner in your tweet. It's just, I mean, everyone should end each tweet that they send no matter what it is with just at Kevin Kisner. Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to hashtag them and add them in every tweet that I send for the next for the rest of the month of September. So anyways, go help Kiz out. All right. We've got Tom Kim and Tommy Fleetwood coming out. I think we only did like 30 minutes there. Is that right? About 30.

It's pretty good for us. 35, I think. 35. Pretty well done. So yeah, next up, we got the Tom. So enjoy Tom Kim. Enjoy Tommy Fleetwood. And we'll be back next week.

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It's now Tuesday morning. President's Cup finished up Sunday evening. How are we feeling? How is just kind of your general energy level and vibe right now? That's nice. I'm a little tired. I'm not going to lie. Lying down in bed is going to be the next schedule. So it's kind of nice.

I'm not going to lie. So you're in Dallas? Are you living in Dallas these days? Tell us what it's been like since the last putt of the President's Cup. It looked like we saw some pictures. You guys kind of hung out with the American team. Walk us through the last, you know, 36 hours. So, yeah.

So after Sunday, you know, obviously the international is lost. And it was, it would have been better if you won. But we still had a great time. We had a full party with the international team, and the U.S. team kind of joined us as well. But obviously, you know, sneak into that U.S. team room, talking to the guys, congratulating the guys. And they did the same thing.

But it was a huge party for the whole team. And we had some fun. So I was out pretty late. It was my first official party. Ever? Without ever. But I didn't drink. I was hammering on water.

don't worry. Yeah, I would stay up pretty late. You know, cashed to fly and, you know, came to Dallas. I'm still at an Airbnb, so I still haven't officially moved in, but I'm moving in November. I guess that's one of the problems with being, like, very publicly 20 years old, is that everyone was talking about how you're 20 all week. So if you were to drink, a couple of guys would have been like, this is a little bit dicey.

A lot of guys are like, hey, Tom, you got to loosen up, I enjoy. It's not a big drink. I've never been, never been too excited about it. It's never got me excited. So I just got hammered in water, got pretty drunk in water. What do you mean never been to a party? That was your first time being around a collection of people celebrating something? Yeah, kind of.

I mean, that's just, that's incredible. It's like, what a first experience. I never, I don't think I remember my first party. Like, what an amazing thing to remember. And also, Tom, you've got party guy energy. I mean, some of the celebrations we saw during the President's Cup, it was like, that's a guy who likes to party. And it's a little stunning to find out that that was your first party.

Did this unlock something in you now? Do you want to party all the time? So that's the thing. So after that night, I was like, man, I can't do this anymore. Obviously, being international, we have this once every two years. So I was like, this is perfect. Like, that's just the only time we're going to do it. I like staying at home.

I like the quiet thing. So it's funny how it doesn't show that all the golf course, but I like just kind of just lying down in bed. Like I've been lying down in bed since probably 6 p.m. last night, so couldn't. I feel bad that we made you get out of bed. I feel like the party energy thing is so true. Like you making the final cup in like a beer pong game would just send the whole place like through the roof.

I mean, people would go crazy. Never played beer pong before. I have only seen it in movies. So never seen that in movie. Well, I guess I. I guess your life has sort of been really golf-centric. So, you know, we learned a lot about you last week, but I think there's still a lot that we don't know or that our audience doesn't know.

So, you know, walk us through, like, I know you're from Korea, but I know you spent some time in Australia growing up. I know you turned pro pretty early. Kind of walk us through the Tom Kim file, if you would. Yeah, so, I mean, I turned pro when I was, I was young. I was 15 when I was 15, I was 15. and um 15 yeah i right before my 16th birthday but i turned brodose 15 and couldn't really i couldn't play on the asian tour or anywhere else in the world like the main tours because i wasn't old enough

so i had to i had to stick around with where i was and i went to cue school on the asian tour you know that's where i started and didn't make it i went to i had to play the development tour for seven months i won three times that got me exemption to the main tour and that'll do it i won my second start out on the main tour that got me my full status and um the year that was going to be my full year it's kind of the same thing that happened on the pjutor like i wasn't supposed to be a rookie because because of the win i became a rookie right so um my first official year i played four events and then covid hit so i was sticking around i actually came to the u.s that year and um i was enjoying some time over here but it's amazing how the start of the year i was just on the asian tour i was trying to get my status

in the corn free you know and bring myself up up but it's it definitely took a 360 turn and you know and I played the president's cup last week so it's pretty crazy yeah you did um played the president of cup well I got to talk about the windum obviously you got your first win at the windum in greensboro is my first time there um so I was there for your first win no big deal uh how uh how yeah they loved you there they're like obsessed with Tom Kim there in Greensboro obviously how um you know obviously you've had a really good year. You've won a lot, you know, before you're out on the PGA tour. Was that, you know, did that feel like a, um, even though you're only 20 years old?

Did that feel like a long time coming? Was that a surprise to you? I know you got off to the bad start and then still got the win, which Rory referenced the next week, which is really cool. But like, did that feel to you like, yeah, I deserve to win? Or was that a little bit of a surprise even to you? You know, it's, because it was crazy. Like, obviously the start wasn't great, but I was there to enjoy my week. I was the first week I just really let go and just had fun and didn't really have anything on my shoulders. I secured my PG tour car for next season the week before. And I said, let's have fun with it.

And obviously, like, I just wanted to, I'm not going to lie, I'm guilty of just, it's not me, but hey, just let's have a good week. Let's enjoy it. Let's make the cut. And I was going to go back home the next week. And let's, let's, this is a cherry on top for me. But that quad really got me in that mode of, let's get things going. Like, got to make the cut.

Like, we got to do well. We're going to do this. We can do that. and we won. And plans change, get to the playoffs. But the amazing thing for me was that first win was, it was the most special thing about it was I get to pick a schedule now with where I want to play. And I get to play on the PGA tour.

That was like a huge thing for me. It wasn't my first win. That was wow. It was the, yes, now I can play here full time. I don't need to worry about where am I going to play next week. What's going to be my next event? you know, not getting like calls on Sunday to get to the event next week. Like that was the biggest thing for me for that first.

That was the very, very special thing. When did the President's Cup kind of come under your radar? Because I would, you know, before you won, you were already creeping up and you were probably very much on Trevor's radar. I'm just wondering when that became even like a possibility because you said you started the year just wanted to get corn fairy status. When did the President's Cup become a thing? I think after the Genesis, I jumped up a lot, but I think it first came in.

the week before I won because I secured my tour card and I was really close. I think I was close enough to get captain's pick. That was kind of the thing, but that win really got me inside the top, you know, the top eight and I was automatically qualified. So since then I've been, I think that was kind of the point where, man, I really wanted to make the team. There was hope, but then when it came to realization, it was probably a week before I won. It's incredible.

President's Cup, I want to talk about when you were watching, see, Wukam put and when you couldn't even watch him, how stressful were those moments for you? It was, I was praying to, I was praying for my life. Like, just because we really wanted to beat that duo and I know C-W really, really well, like he and I were really close. So it just felt like, man, if we, if me and him beat these, you know, these guys, it's going to be, I didn't remember forever. Like, this is going to be so special.

And they gave us, they give us a tough. day, you know, they were making putts and obviously their story, you know, they didn't really play the way that you expect them to play, right? Because I played them on Friday, and they were like eight under through like nine holes or something. Like, it was insane. And it was kind of different that day, but, um, 16 was, was the biggest thing where if he, you know, we're one down and if you get this, we're going to go even. We have two holes to play. It's a different ball game, but if, you know, so I was praying. I was on Joe's shoulder. I was like, I was like, dude, please, like, just whatever put you make, just this one.

And he makes it on 16, and he goes to 17, and he goes to 17, and he's another 5 foot apart. And that's the decider of if I get to hit that shot on 18 and make that put. Or do we just kind of go one down going to last, need a birdie to tie kind of thing? So it was more of man really wanting to win kind of spirits. Can we talk about the shot that Siwu hit on 17? Because I think it's one of the greatest golf shots I've ever seen in my life. And I've seen a lot of golf shots, but this one was one of the five or ten best I've ever seen in person. The ball's above his feet.

He was 220. It's in the pine straw. He has to keep it below the branch, somehow have it cut enough to, and then have enough sort of backspin to hold the green. I mean, I don't know where you were. I think you were you on the left side? Like, could you see that shot? And what were your thoughts when you saw it going toward the green? I was like, man, okay, since he's in trouble, like, since he got me out on 16, I kind of have to do my part.

and I was on the fairway. I was in good shape, so I knew I wasn't worried about it too much. And he just, and I saw him hit that show. I was like, man, how did you do that? Like, I was, I was insane. Hit the upslop of the green, killed speed, and it was 30 feet from the hole. I was like, bro, like, he was laughing.

He was like, he couldn't believe it as well. So people don't know this, but people see the shot on 18 and see the pod and see, wow, like, this guys did this. But the reason why that was possible was because of him. Like, it's a lot of kudos. to him because, man, if he doesn't make Brady on 16, he doesn't make that part part of 17, like, we're one or two down and the match is over. So I want people to kind of recognize that, like, he played a huge role in that, in that whole. And then one thing I wanted to ask you

about as well is you mentioned Joe. So, you know, you had Joe Scoveron on the bag, who was obviously Ricky Fowler's caddy for a long time. Like, how did that process come about of you reaching out to him? Were you nervous? How's it going so far? Yes, I reached out to him. I was looking for a caddy and wanted, like, this is going to be my full official season on the PJ tour. I know I'm a rookie. I was a rookie last season, but this is going to be my full, you know, full season. But I wanted a caddy who I could, you know, who had a lot of experience and who could kind of guide me through this and that.

Because he's been, obviously, Joe has been on the tour for such a long time. And he's had so much success to this player. and, you know, playing major championships, winning all these events. Like, he's a tonic experience under pressure, right? So I reached out to him when I was looking for a caddy, and, you know, we talked again after the playoffs, and, you know, we decided, okay, this is going to be my first week. We're like, okay, let's give it a try, President's Cup,

and then building up. And it's amazing how that first week went. It's unbelievable. Like, he's a legend. And he's so good at what he does. And I think if it wasn't for Joe, I could have been five enough for Chris and Scott. So, you know, a lot of credits to go to him. And he really kept me in the moment a lot.

And he's been a huge help. So I think hopefully that relationship goes on for a long time. It was cool. I know Scalve a little bit. He's a Scottsdale guy. I live out in Scottsdale. And I noticed a lot, you guys, you know, even while other people were putting, I noticed you guys were chatting a lot, which I thought was really cool for a pretty new duo.

It seemed like you guys were getting along. great. It's funny, it's only been a week, but he feels like he's one of the best friends already. It's unbelievable. Well, you never been to a party, so, you know, I don't know if we have, like, that many friends to choose from. It's great. You know, he's awesome, and I think I found a really good friend for me, not personally just taking the golf out of play. Like, I felt like I found a really good friend, so it's pretty special.

Do you feel this momentum building for your? yourself and your brand the way that we do, like, as fans and watching it? Like, have you felt this kind of turn in your career already, even though you're only 20? Um, I'm not going to lie. Like, I'm just, I want to play good golf and I want to just, I want people to, I remember, I remember watching this on The Last Dance. I'm a big Michael Jordan fan, but, um, like, if you take a couple hours to watch me play, like, you know, people who watch, like, they deserve.

to see my best kind of thing. So I just want to play good golf. I want to put a good show for the people. And like, you know, just kind of do my thing. But I'm just kind of really excited to my little pediatric tour. And I get to go to a lot of different places now, which is great. So that's cool. That's just such good perspective, you know?

It's like there's golf gets knocked a decent amount for being boring. Guys are kind of in their own world. And for you to have that perspective of like, no, no, I'm like to enjoy the people. DJA tour as much as you do is really cool as fans because we all live vicariously through you, right? We're like, it must be so cool to have a nine-foot putt on 18 in the President's Cup to win the biggest match of your life. Like, that has to be the coolest thing in the world. It is. It's so awesome. And I'm very fortunate to have that put and me be the one to make it because it could have been anyone else in the world.

So I'm super blessed and super, but that's why I felt like I wanted the emotions to come out. because I wanted people to enjoy it as well, not just me and my team. I wanted everyone in the world to know that this putt was just for everyone to enjoy. Yeah, you're a showman. You know, when you're in the midst of one of these competitions, I was in the interview room talking to some of the American guys, and, you know, it gets under their skin a little bit, right? Like you see in a guy who's celebrating all this stuff.

But then after the tournament ends, you guys are all hanging out and, you know, taking pictures together and really just enjoying, each other's companies. What were your conversations like with the Americans after? Because obviously you were the guy that they were like, oh, this kid is freaking fist pumping and crazy. What were they like to you after the tournament finished and everyone was hanging out together? They were really, really supportive. They're like, dude, great plan, man. You were awesome this week. You're a legend. You know, that goes from me. It goes from, you know, Scotty to Jordan to JT to Colin. You know, they were really, really supportive of what I did the week. And they're like,

you're the breath of this team like you were the energy of this team so for me as a fanboy no matter where i am in the position of golf like i'm always going to be a fan of them like because they inspired me to be on the bj tour they inspired me better even though we're it was just a youtube or tv kind of relationship you know but to kind of build it you know this week and talk to them a lot so i'm i'm extremely grateful it's unbelievable how grateful how grateful How was our boy Trevor Emelman as a leader for you? Dude, he can be a motivational speaker. It's unbelievable how he can talk.

It's so amazing. He's so cool. He got the team pumped up every single day, whether it was we were down or up, he got the team going. And all of us internationals really wish we could have won the cut for him. But it wasn't to be. But I told him, you know, I told him I loved him.

and I told him thank you. It's an honor for me to be able to represent my fresh president company as my captain. So I'm extremely honored. He really is that way. He just he can hold court with the best of him. We ran into him briefly early in the week, just like he was on a cart driving by and we stopped him to say hello. And within two minutes, he was telling stories and like just had complete control of the group. He really is the best at that.

He's awesome. He's so cool. He's so cool. Yeah. He did like a, he crosses his arms and did a. wide power stance and kind of just like like you said he held court we were all just in his presence for five minutes just listening to everything he was talking about it's yeah that's like a natural born leader type stuff that like you really can't teach it's um he has a gift other than winning

the masters and having an ever an exceptional career he um he has a gift of just inspiring people that's amazing yeah it seemed like one of his main goals as captains and and this was going back to last president's cup was to make you guys really feel like a team because the Americans, it's natural, right? They're all from the same country. They play the Ryder Cup, so they get to do this basically every year, that same core. You guys, once every two years, you got guys from Africa on your team, you got guys from Canada, you got guys from Australia, you guys from Japan, you guys from Korea. How much did you guys come together? Because it really did seem like that team room was very close.

It's great because, you know, every week we play, we're trying to try to be each other, right? Individually. But for that first week for me, it was unbelievable how close I became with the guys and I was like man I could take a bullet for every single one of these guys in the room. It was unbelievable. And it's probably all because of Trevor. He brought us together.

He wanted us to bond and become family. And now since the president's got finished, I would do anything for them as well because we became so close. And seeing them individually now is going to be, it's going to be so much cooler because now we're so close. You know, we're a good team.

And I hope all, you know, I hope the same team makes it to the next President's Cup, so we're going to be even closer. We're going to play better. And it's amazing. He's played a huge role in all of us just getting close because you see Adam's 10th President's Cup. His first President Cup was probably when I was won, you know. It's amazing.

I've been a fan of Adam's thought as well, but he really brought us under his wing. and, you know, I'm building that relationship with Adam and with all those guys. It's really special. How much did you feel the love in Charlotte from the fans? Because even though you were on the kind of opposing team, it felt like people loved you out there. Normally so individually, like, when you go to a normal event, like, they all clap for you and they're supportive. But, yeah, it's pretty crazy how I didn't get a boo all week, which is really, really, I'm grateful. I didn't hear a boo.

So even though I heard a lot of like, hey, we love you, Tom, but not this week. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. It's a lot of support. You played against Max Homa on Sunday, who is another one of our kind of friends. We talk about how he's friends with everyone in media, but we're one of those people who are happy to be friends with Max Homa. What was that experience like? Were you guys chatting or was it really just I'm on my own ball?

He's on his own ball and this is a fight to the finish. No, no, we, you know, we did talk a little bit. It was a competitive friendship kind of, kind of like a match. Don't get me wrong. I am pretty, I'm still pretty pissed losing. Like, I don't like losing at all, especially on a Sunday at a singles match. But especially having the three-up lead and he played exceptional in the last six holes to to get one up on me.

But, you know, Joe's, you know, Joe's close to Max, and he's caddy Joe as well. But it was really goal to kind of have a nice sportsmanship kind of match coming down to 18. And I knew he was going to play well because he just won the week before, right? So kudos him. But I can't wait for a rematch. I'm looking forward to it. I can't wrap my head around the fact that you turned pro 15. Like, you didn't finish high school?

Like, there's no high school? What's your school? So once I started playing golf, I started getting homeschooled. So I turned pro when I was in high school. So I left pretty early. And you speak what? Three languages? I mean, it's not like your schooling didn't fail you.

You're like one of the more intellectual. Your communication's incredible. Yeah, two or three languages. But I like speaking English. What's the one language that you're not so sure about? Two to three. What's the one? So I grew up in the Philippines a little bit.

I spoke their language a little bit, but I'm kind of losing it. You're living in Thailand. It's a little Thai, but not so great. So, wait, how many places have you lived? Oof, that's, probably lived in like six countries, I think. And is that just because of golf, or I think your dad was a pro? Like, what made you move around so much? So I moved to Australia.

That's where I officially grew up. But I moved there because my parents wanted me and my brother. to kind of learn the English language a little bit. And once that was done, we bounced around a little bit. But, you know, I went to Thailand because I wanted to, you know, I turned, I was going to turn pro and I was going to start on the Asian tour. So it was a great spot for travel. Everything is like one hour, two hours away.

So that was the spot that I kind of had to move in. So once COVID hit, it's funny how I moved to Korea when I was 18, I think. That was during COVID. I was 2020. So it was my first time I got to live in my home country. It was crazy. So I was there for one and a half years, maybe. And then I'm here in America, and I love it here.

So are you going to buy a home or are you going to stay at that Airbnb in Dallas? What's the player? So I'm renting an apartment. I'm moving in November. I can't wait. Gosh, as much as Airbnb's, as much as how good they are, God, it's just different when you have your own bed, Right, and just your own bathroom. I think that's the best thing.

Save your own toilet. Doesn't be that. Yeah, it's a good feeling. That's a comforting feeling for sure. No. So with South Korea, I got to ask, you are a Korean citizen, so are you, like, technically,

you have to do the military service that some of the Koreans have had to do? I mean, I know you're going to have a bunch of chances in the Olympics to try and medal and stuff, but is that something that's even on your radar at all? I'm not sure. I think that's too far in the future for me to kind of look at. I'm just, you know, I'm 20, bro. Let's keep it sure. So, yeah, I've never been able to represent my country. You know, so hopefully I can make the Olympics or I can play the Asian games or one of those things.

You know, that's going to be a different experience and a different type of pressure. So it's going to be a great learning experience. What's the, what's this week look like for you? Practicing, what's like a normal practice week look like? Yes, I'm going to take the day off and then I'm going to start working on it tomorrow, but I'm going to work out later. Then it's just back to the grind on three weeks in a row. So I'm starting to Vegas.

So it's going to be fun. Vegas is hot. Yeah, you ever been to Vegas? There's some parties in Vegas you can go to. A lot of parties. For this trip. Except for this trip. I'm not a big party guy.

So other than this trip. trip. I love Vegas. There's a lot of great restaurants, especially Asian, Asian restaurants. They're great there. So I can't wait. I'm looking forward to it. Unreal. Yeah, Vegas does have really good restaurants. You got like a favorite go-to Asian joint in Vegas that people should check out if they're in Vegas? I'm probably the last guy you should ask, but I think I, because I lean a lot to the guys on tour. So I go to maybe a few years. If you guys, if we do this again in two years, then ask me, then I can kind of let you guys know where to go. You got like go-to dinner buddies?

Like, who's your crew on tour that you go out with? I go out a lot with Siwu. We, you know, I think we probably have dinner every week. Sung Jay probably had dinner quite a lot of times. Kind of the Korean guys. We're really tight. Yeah, you guys got quite the squad out there with you and K.H. and Siwu. I mean, there's a lot of guys out there who are playing at the high level.

it's fun it's you know for me starting out i had them on tour and i asked a lot of questions so you know they've they've helped me out a ton so i try to buy a lot of dinners and say thank you in my part but they're awesome it's really cool to have them especially you know last week like it was the first time i think four cranes were ever on a president's cup team so it was special it's awesome that's so cool yeah it's like you know to to think about everybody talks about JT and Spieth and their friendship and playing together. But the fact, I mean, you and Siwu are out there getting dinner together all time. And then, you know, Saturday afternoon, you come down to 18 against a pretty big team on the U.S.

and you guys get to play together. It's just, like, unfathomable for me how cool that is. Yeah. I mean, on Saturday, I can tell you that it meant so much more because I played with Zeeu. It's not so much more because I had a really close buddy of mine beat one of the best duos probably ever play the game. You know, so it's, it's super special. Like, I can't really put into words. I'm saying special so much because it's the only word that comes close to it.

That's fair. Yeah. It's awesome. I like the word special. Yeah. Unreal. Well, yeah, we really appreciate this. Good luck this year.

I think you got a ton of fans. I know you got some on this show right here. So good luck out there. Keep playing well. Keep bringing the energy. Your showman. I got one more question for you. What's the tour event you're most excited for?

next year that you haven't gotten to play it. Ooh, Masters. That's a pretty good answer. The Masters is going to be, it's going to be the first time in Augustus. You're going to get the practice round in before? I think so. That guys were telling me, like, soak it all in before you get to the tournament

so you don't go all fanboy and everywhere, but it's going to be a cool spot. I think I'm, like, cry driving into men oiling. Like, it's the first event I've ever watched. Well, I love that. a fan because like you know Zander Schofley was talking earlier this week like you know he wasn't really watch it growing up some guys don't aren't huge golf nerds seems like you are you're someone who you're watching I'm a super golf nerd I need to get away from that image but

it's just kind of who I am I so much you know I've taken so much information from everywhere I kind of know all the holes already so it's going to be my first time kind of playing it but I'm super excited for next year do you remember the first masters you watch Do you remember which one it was? It was probably a 2005 match. I think it was like I was playing at eight when I watched it. I watched it on tape like it was it was a DVD at that time. But I watched it on tape.

I think it was 2005. I think that's what really inspired me to play golf and seeing that, you know, chipping from Tiger on 16. But that's why I think it holds a special place in my heart because it was the first event. watched. Very cool. Unreal. Unreal.

I can't, I just got the chills thinking about the masters already. I'm so excited for the masters. We only have eight months, regs, so you're already, yeah, I know,

you're going to chill out. You've got to chill out a little bit. Thank you, Tom. We appreciate it, man. This was great. Thank you for your time. It was awesome to be here. Thanks,

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Like really hot. Like 100 degrees or I guess what, like 40 degrees, 35 degrees? So the action. temperature. So what it's felt like the last two weeks has been close to 50 pretty much most days. Whatever that is. What is that? It's nine fifths plus 32. So nine fifths of 50 would be Wow. That's like 120 degrees. Yeah, well, that's what it's felt like. So, it's like, yeah. Checks out. Yeah. I mean, that's just really hot. Is it is it, is it, is it summer? Like what's there?

What's the seasonal comparison to the states there? Is it summertime? Yeah, same as us. Same as UK. Same as the States. So like your back end of summer, you're like coming into fall or autumn. It does actually start to get cooler now. We've never been here.

We've never been here this early. We're always playing like December and January or November when it's like, it's perfect. So and it'd be all right if you were, well, I say that 7 a.m. It's hot. stuff. It's just like middle of the day. Nobody, nobody, nobody is around in the middle of the day. So like, if I, like for me playing golf and being on a golf course on my own, like middle of the day is the best time. So you just, you just get on with it. So you got to talk to us about the Dubai move. I mean, I didn't realize that you moved to Dubai. Yeah. What was the, what are the factors? Why did you move from I, you were in the States or were you in England?

We were, we were in England. I mean, we've done, we've done a bunch of stuff. We've, we've rented in Orlando before. We'd rented here before for a few months. But our base has always been the UK. The biggest thing, to be honest, was the kids' school. So Oscar and Moe, who were 16 and 14, they both, Mo's laughing at me now as he's going upstairs because it's just said me mentioning him on the,

on the ball. But they sort of having the mind that they want to play golf in college in America. and there's a school here that has a really good system that helps them progress and eventually get through there. So that's, you know, that was a really good thing for them. That's great for them going through that system. Frankie's just side school and Frankie's fine, like my Frankie, not your Frankie.

I was going to say our Frankie's not fine. It's probably better than me of golf. And then the other thing was we're opening up the second Academy at Tommy Flewit Academy. It's just all works well that will be around that quite a lot. And yeah, it was just sometimes, you know, it's better to give it a go. And then if you don't like it, you know, or it doesn't work out, then it doesn't work out. But you'd rather give it a go. And so far, everybody's really happy.

And it's going great. What's the, what are the housing options like? I mean, you're in like a high rise? Is there residential neighborhoods? What's, I mean, what are the options? Just in a normal house. You could get pretty much anything in Dubai, but we're in a house, we're in a, you know, on a community, on a golf course, and on five bedrooms, whatever it is, two floors, like it's great.

Settled in pretty well, but you can do anything from a high-rise flat to a mansion. We'll just go somewhere in between. It's interesting you mentioned the college in the States. Was that ever something that was on your radar when you were a junior? Or was that never even a possibility? No, it was. And like I, so I finished, for us in the UK, we finished high school at 16. And then at the time, I wanted to give myself some time playing full-time golf,

see how I was doing. I was playing for the national team and everything. And I wanted to see how I was getting on. after a year or two. I played Walker Cup in 2009, so I was 18, and then I was always going to turn pro young, really. I kind of, I wanted to start earning, like, money. Super fair.

Yeah, I wanted to start in at some point, and I was just, I was never, I was never that in, I mean, I wouldn't say this to other kids, but I was never that into the school thing, but I was, you know, I was always, I was always doing a right, So I turned pro at 19. So another, you know, two, three years at, you know, school just wasn't really my thing. I wasn't going to do it.

But I'm, like, fascinated by the whole, like, college, like American college thing because I never did it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm successful it is. I'm quite fascinated by it. So I'll, I think it's come a long way. I think even since you were in college, it feels like, or even since you were that age, it feels like these college programs now, or they have these incredible college practice facilities. and they're traveling all over the country and you see these guys come out and they're ready to win

and I think a big reason is because of how sophisticated the college game is these days. Oh, they're pros already. Like they're so competitive and they have so many things going for them. And that is one of the things that you see it so often now. Like they have success straight away, which even, you know, when I turned pro, there was always like, there was always sort of stages that you had to go.

through and you had to like earn your experience in a way and you were never expected to do that great when you when you turn pro or whatever in your first couple of years and that was just kind of a thing that was expected but i you know especially on the um pga tour now uh and you know i'm dp world and stuff but you just see guys coming out and they're so ready like the games are the games are far uh more advanced than mine was when i turn bro how uh so we obviously over here we're just rocking for the for the president's cup you're clear it's really good president's actually i enjoyed it did you watch any of it you catch any of it yeah we watched quite a bit like obviously like we never i go to bed pretty early so i was never making it till the very

closing stages but i i i really enjoyed it it's it's actually quite like that it um goes on for longer like it's four days um i i quite like that um but i just i just thought it was a it was a good president's cup it had a great atmosphere atmosphere to it. And there was just a few, I suppose any time in a team event, President's Cup, Rider Cup, there's always, like, stories that come out of it. But I just thought, like, there was a few good ones in this. And I enjoyed watching. For you guys, does, like, the, you know, European Rider Cup group techs get popping off this time of year when you get the team atmospheres going?

No, no, it hasn't done funny enough. But we had that one. We didn't have, like, a massive group chat last time. We had it on something else. But like, no, like, with all, I'm sure, I'm sure everybody's watching it. But then there's guys that are playing, like, those guys that are playing in Italy in France and stuff and busy. And then there'll be guys at the Dunhill too. But it's just, you know, it's nice to watch, isn't it? And then it brings back, like, it brings back a fire.

It brings back memories. It brings back, like, motivation to make. Because I think the team stuff's so cool. Like, it's so, so good in it. Like, you see just different sides of people coming on. like the interactions with the crowds and stuff. It's so good to play in, but it's really good to watch as well. We were talking about this yesterday between us about how, you know,

guys act in certain ways during these weeks that they just would never act. Otherwise, you know, Tom Kim was saying he would never scream like that in a normal event. Or Justin Thomas obviously wouldn't be nearly as demonstrative. Our kind of consensus was like anything goes during these team weeks, right? Like it's one week a year, right? We can tolerate this. having been inside the ropes and in multiple rider cups, is that how you guys feel too?

Does anything go or do you guys kind of notice when guys are being a little bit petty? Or maybe they're, you know, does that fire you guys up inside the ropes? Or is it kind of like, yeah, I mean, this is the time for it. I mean, I've been on the wrong end of petting this couple of times by like certain. But I mean, like, anything does go. And everybody's, I think we never get to do the team thing. so like we never get to do it week in week out and like and just be used to it so i i guess whatever comes out yeah i don't i don't think anybody minds at the end of the week everybody

everybody sits there at the end of the week everybody has a drink together everybody has a laugh and it's just you know that's what it is everybody shakes and at the end of the at the end of the um around and stuff and it is i think people do you just um you don't realize you're doing some of the stuff half the time and i think you just have to um have to have to remember that and appreciate that when you're playing and everybody just gets so into it and the crowd makes such a difference the crowd play such a huge part in any of those team events and whether you're riding with them or whether you're fighting against them like they play equally as as much of a part so it's uh you know that's one of the coolest things when you played on a team

did you have your role set out going into the team like kevin our guy kevin kisner knew like he had half a point, but he was there to be the funny guy, to be the locker room guy. And he knew that going in. We talked to him on Wednesday. He's like, the only reason I'm here is because of Will Zaltoros's back. He knows exactly why he's on that team. Did you ever, like, say this is going to be my role going in, or did it kind of happen naturally? No, pretty naturally. I think, you know, I think forever I'll probably be like one of the calm ones that sits in the room and is just around there. I would like to think that's what I'm like. I never particularly get to up and down. And I think anybody, it kind of, you know, can level people out if they're around

me. I've never, you know, I think the two times, I've played in multiple teams, I played Eurasia Cups and the Sevi Trophy when that was on, and then two Rider Cups. And there's always, there's always natural leaders that are in that team. And I think one of the, you know, great things about Europe or the last few years is that we've had quite a bulk of experience where you've had a few leaders that, you know, everybody's, you know, if you're going to turn to somebody for that, then, you know, usually I probably wouldn't be that guy, but I, you know, hopefully people would feel very comfortable just saying anything or talking to me. I remember John talking, John Brown talking to me and the first one and stuff. And, you know, it was my first one

as well, by the way. I'm like, why is he asking me a question? I'm probably as much of a old soul. I am I am an old soul so maybe I'm uh maybe that's my uh calling I'm the old soul of the bunch uh I was um I was looking through some of your history in the Ryder Cup and in 2018 in Paris I was looking at your team performances and it's Molinari Fleetwood beat Woods Reed three and one beat Smith Thomas five and four beat Woods read four and three beat Woods DeCambeau five and four what do you attribute to just shit-kicking all the Americans that week, including somebody who's probably... It was very enjoyable, and I like the phrase, I'm going to keep that.

Because I've obviously, like, people ask me about the Radical Cup all the time, and I was like, well, I play Tiger Woods three times, and I beat him three times. So sick. That's unbelievable. It might be the one record I have against him for the, you know, forever. But shit-kicking will, I'll keep that in the stories from now on. That week for me was, I would say I was, as a. rookie, I was unbelievably lucky in some of the things that went for me. So, like, we were playing on a course that I'd won on the year before. Fran was my partner all the way through the week.

You know, my closest person out on tour, so I was very, very comfortable with him. It was at home, I think that makes a difference. There was, you know, there was a ton of things, really. It was, you know, it was my son's first birthday. There was a lot of things going for me. And to be fair, people forget, we were Patrick Reed chipped in. in the first game that we played to go, they were two up through 10. And we, I mean, we were doing nothing. I was putting horrendous.

I didn't, I wasn't really playing very well. And then, you know, a few hours later, we get through the first match and they never were back. Like, we didn't, you know, we didn't play many else after that. And it was just, it was just one of them things. And we got on a roll. And to be fair, you play one Rider Cup and you do that. And you're like, yeah, this is great.

Like, this is just what it should be. I don't know what, like, what the big deal is. And then, you know, the table's, and at Whistland Streets, and I realized how hard it can be. I wanted to talk about going forward with the Ryder Cup, because it did sort of seem like last year was a turning point in the sense of, you guys had this core that you were talking about of Polter and Stenson and Sergio and Westwood, and those guys might have played their last Rider Cup, even without Live Golf, right,

just because of age and sort of turning the page. And Rory talked about how he's excited about, you know, there's a new core that, you know, it seems to be from the outside. It's like Rory, Victor Hovlin, you, Romm, Matt Fitzpatrick, that these guys are sort of turning the leaf and becoming the veterans and the leaders. Do you feel like we're going to see some new blood in the Ryder Cup next year and kind of a new look European team? Well, it looks that way, doesn't it? I think so. Yeah, we had that core group of guys and I think if they're not there in some capacity, it's not that they

would have been potentially playing, but they would have been around, you know. So, sure, if they're not dead. And they'll be missed, you know, not necessarily in a playing sense, but they'll be missed as being part of that team. But also, yeah, we're going to have, we're going to have new players. I think it's funny really, because I was watching the President's Cup. And all of a sudden, I think something that the Americans were never really known for was having, like, partnerships that were set.

and all of a sudden, you're looking at Jordan and Justin and Xander and Patrick and, you know, like a few others going on. And all of a sudden, like, you guys, you know, the American team seems to have like pairings that are there kind of thing. And that was always like our gig. That's what we did. So that's different and that's new. But I think it's the Rader Cup is a massive motivation to make that team for everybody. and I think we'll definitely look like we're going to have some new players

but I don't think any of us will go into that and sort of lack confidence or I mean I thought we were going to win the last one so that's like that that says you know I mean if you go in and you don't think you're going to win it then what's the point? You know I and you look back and maybe it's unrealistic to think that we were going against the Harlem Globetraz

and we were going to win in the backyard and that but you know I still think we'll all turn up in Rome and we'll expect to win. You know, whatever the team is, whether it's young, old, neutral, old souls, leaders, whatever it is. I think we'll go into it, feeling like we're going to win. And for sure, there's going to be some new guys, but I think we're going to a phase as well, where it seems like we've got some really good young players as well. Do you, man, I couldn't help, but we were on site for most of it,

President's Cup. We've been at the Ryder Cups. And President's Cup, I was reminded on the first T and then especially coming down the stretch, guys are so hyped up and the crowd is so hyped up and golf is such a game of precision. I was wondering like, do you have to, is it hard to adjust your yardages? Because we hear all the time about practice round yardages, tournament yardages, Sunday and tournament contention yardages. Now we're talking fucking Ryder Cup fans are going crazy.

Like, do you have to, is it hard to adjust your yardages? I think, I think probably you just know, I think, you know, you're there with your caddy and stuff. and you just know, like, you know, there's going to be a little extra in it or something. And it's the coolest thing, isn't it? And honestly, some of the goals shots you see as well, like, how good are they? Like, so, so cool. The hardest thing in the President's Cup was I didn't realize, because I didn't make it to the end of the matches,

because we're so far ahead of time, was that I was looking at, like, the 15th hole in the President's Cup on the third day, because they went, whenever... Yeah, it's 18 at Quill Hollow, right? What have they done to the 15th hole? I was like, that looks pretty. And then so it took me three days to realize that that was a change. But yeah, honestly, like you just, it's funny the shots that, you know, you can come out with when you're under the ultimate pressure or when you don't have time to think about it, when it's so noisy, when you're so hard tough.

And some of the golf shots guys that are amazing, you really are. Yeah. It's, no, it's amazing. It's cool. It's funny how a lot of the matches seem to have a pretty similar or just overall general. kind of trajectory where it's like the first five, six holes, for whatever, it feels like you don't see the best golf, people are kind of, and then all of a sudden the last six, seven holes, people start hitting amazing shots. Yeah, it's great. That's what everybody wants to say as well,

isn't it? They just, um, and live for those, live for those moments. And there was some absolute call because at the, um, at the president's call. Um, uh, I wanted to ask you because, uh, your, your lovely wife responded to a tweet of mine last week. I think it was last week. And, uh, you know, I was just talking about how there was all these rumors swirling about different guys going to live and basically how you have all these accounts saying, oh, we've never been wrong. We've never been wrong. And meanwhile, they've been wrong about this many people. And your wife time did and said, oh, there's actually one more person that they've been wrong about. What is the experience of being a professional golfer been like over the last 12 months?

Because it's, you know, you're already dealing with so much, especially you guy plays both tours. You know, to now have to answer questions and deal with all this speculation, how much more draining has. this last, I don't know, 18 months been than any other time in your career? Probably more draining for other people than me. You know, I think on a personal level, I've been happy to start getting my game back to somewhere where I think it should be and start competing in events again. And I was having a really good summer. You know, I think it's funny really because I think people are bored of it,

but then also people can't help but talk about it and can't get enough of it. and it's, you know, it's been a, it's been a massive thing. And I, you know, I, you sort of, you flip between going like, is it, is it really that bigger deal where a golfer decides to play is golf? And then you think, well, you know, it is what we live in and it's an amazing talking point and it's big news and there's, and there's, you know, there's a lot of crap going on around it. It's been, it's been, I think the strangest thing has been, I think definitely, there's, there's a few

tournaments this year that have felt a bit strange and had like a little bit of a weird, a weird atmosphere. And definitely more recently, I think. So it's just, you get on with what you're doing and everybody still, you know, I just, I just want to play as well as I can play. And like, you know, I totally get it. I think I've always, I've always had the, you know, the feeling or the idea that as long as I'm playing my golf where I want to play it,

like I'm perfectly, you know, happy. Like, I'm not really that bothered about what other people are doing. Like, I get to play the events I want to play. You know, I'm playing in the majors. I'm playing in big events. Everything's, you know, everything's great for me. But then I think there's certain things that players have done that they probably shouldn't have done.

Like, you know, making a choice and then, and then suing people, I don't think that should be something they're doing. But equally, you know, I like a lot of the guys that have gone to live. And I still like a lot of the guys. And, you know, I'm not really bothered that a decision they make, you know, to go play somewhere else. I actually think it's the best thing to do for some of them. Well, I think it was probably the right thing to do. I think there's some people that have gone that it probably wasn't the right thing to do.

And maybe they think that as well. But overall, you know, there's been some strange events and it's going to be a talking point for a long time yet. And it's not going anywhere. But it hasn't impacted your personal relationships is what it seems like. Because there have been some other guys, you know, who have said, like, you know, I just, I have a hard time seeing them here. it sounds like you're you're sort of able to compartmentalize well yeah because like i say i think some people that have gone it it's it probably was like a good idea for them to go you know the ones that might not be as competitive going forward or a bit older like you know and they've been

offered you know what they have or the chance to to do what they're doing like i don't not that you know i'm not that bothered that that's fine i just think you know when you make a choice and you start suing i think it's bit silly really but you know i equally i'm still you know i would still talk to any of the guys really i have no i have no real remorse i've got i've got no time for that um you know i'm very fine i would much rather you know everybody get on and be happy and do their own thing but um you know it's not the way things are going at the moment yeah it does seem that things uh changed a little bit when they you know the lawsuit came or it's like all right fine play wherever the hell you want but if you're

going to start suing people for a decision that you made then you knew what the consequences were going to be it seems like a bit of a dickish move to start suing the other people that you came from and the whole deal so i think it makes a lot of sense i got a hard thing yeah because i i think you know everybody knew what was going to happen and i'm sure there's people that didn't go because they you know knew what was going to happen and whatever and i just think you know when you you kind of knew what was going on like don't you know see your ass about it now but that's that yeah it's uh no it's it's not going anywhere unfortunately And like you said, we say all the time on the show, like, all right, kind of sick of talking

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who dragged you onto our show at the PGA Championship. Told us that you used two, three irons at the U.S. Open, is that right? I used two rounds a couple of times. I mean, one was like a two iron. So, yeah, I did, yeah, I tend to, like, fiddle with that end of the bag and I'm always trying to get it right and can't quite do it. And you're using the Picks balls now too, right? The TP5X picks.

Yeah, I've been using them for a while. Yeah, I used it. I changed them in Vegas. last year. I couldn't, I couldn't really, I'm not, I used a line on the ball and I, like, you'd think it'd be easy to just line the ball up where you want to aim it. And it turns out it's not that easy a lot of the time. And then I thought, I thought the picks board helped me. It has actually made a difference. But simplest things should be so easy. Well, that's super interesting that you mentioned that, because I've seen a lot of guys, like, you actually kind of have to almost calibrate that and

work on it, right? Like, sometimes when you're putting, you think that you're aimed left edge and, you know, I think amateurs would be shocked at like, what do you mean? The pros, no. Sometimes, like, you're just not aimed left edge and you have to figure that out. Yeah, and it's ridiculous, isn't it? You can hit a green, like an island green from 250 with a three-iron. You can't aim an eight-footer upon the left edge of the hole. So you think it would be a lot of it is.

It's so true. And I do think, that's a really good point. Like, I don't think when you just put a straight line in a golf ball, I don't think it's as easy to line it up where you want to line it up as people think. Like, I think there's a lot of golfers that think they lined it up. a ball outside left and they stand over and they're like, that's actually not line up, right? But like, I'm not going to go through the whole thing. I have this thing. And I think I actually saw a video of John Rom talking about this that like,

I don't use a line on my ball because when it's lined up, I feel like it's lined up too far left every time. Yeah. So some people just go blind like it because it doesn't like mess with the head. Like I don't know if that's like a left eye or right eye dominant thing. But like if I have a put that's a straight put and I line up the ball, it feels like it's aimed outside the hole on the left side. It's probably because I'm so cock-eyed and weird with my setup and bad, but like, it's a real thing. Some guys don't use a line for that reason, right? Oh, yeah, I've done a lot. I've gone, you know, no line on the ball, a line on the ball, I've got three lines on the ball, I've gone the picks ball. I've closed my eyes when I'm

putting, I've tried different points. I'm all messed up where I only use the line from like four feet and in. I can't, if I have to like, if I have like a 15 foot put, that's like all feel for me where it's like if I'm aiming way out right and I have to take this slider in, I can't use the line there because I'm like, there's no way I can even hit this to a spot that's not the hole. I guess is what my point is. The ones that get me are like, so like Tom Kim when he holds that like monster on 11 and it gets to like the camera gets to it for the last five feet and it's rolling end over end these three lines. I'm like, how's he even chose a line? Right, exactly. But the picks balls are crazy. So we didn't know. I never knew that there

is any actual alignment in them until s e or someone told us at taylor made media day like no if you actually i thought it was just for looks so i'm looking at these things and there were all the triangles i'm like holy shit as they roll over it's just one big line and then now we started using that toll response stripe ball and it feels like a cheat coat with that big yellow stripe across it oh my god it feels impossible to miss a put i i don't have any more esse actually he's on here i've lost all of mine i've lost them in the woods i need a new shipment because i'm a i'm a i'm a problem with those things. Yeah, yeah, it's good that we've got it now. Get yourself a new shipment. Get yourself a new shipment. Why are you heading over to, you're playing the Dunhill this week, right?

And what's the flight like from Dubai? And how different are you expecting? Because I know St. Andrews is part of the rotation, right? How different will it play this week compared to what you guys saw a couple months ago? Yeah, St. Andrews at the open was, oh, I fly tomorrow. I fly tomorrow morning, so I'm there for Tuesday afternoon. I quite like flying places when you're ahead of the time when you're flying. Yeah, you feel like you're going back in time. Right. But the open at St. Andrews was like you think, I would say experience on the golf course obviously does that. Like we play it every year, play the Dunnillinks every year and everything.

But like, honestly, I can't, the hardest thing to describe and it sounded ridiculous was how tight the golf course played for like the first few days. because it doesn't matter how wide the course is. The fairways were about 150 on the Stimp. So, like, once you had a ball going, once you had a ball hooked the wrong way or something, and you were running out most of the time, you know, it's just like 380, 390, 400 runouts.

All these kind of things kept coming in, were coming into play that I, you know, never even thought I've ever. And all of a sudden, like, I'm playing practice rounds and there was cross wins. I was like, just like the tightest golf course ever. I mean, you've gone. I like, couldn't hit a fairway.

And it was really weird how it played, and then the pin positions that they could put out and that they know that they could do were obviously very different. And you still get, still get an amazingly low score and the standard of goal is still ridiculous. But it was amazing how the course actually played. And I was pleased for it, really, because I think for a few years, you know,

people keep talking about how, like, the whole course is going to be, you know, useless, you know, and people are just going to destroy it. And it held up so well. And I can't remember what I shot, but I finished top five, and it wasn't like a ridiculous score. And I was pleased for the golf course that it held up and that they could do that. And they'd had the weather into summer that allowed them to do that. And I think, you know, the Dunhill were going to have much more central pins.

And hopefully the course is a bit softer. So it always plays very different. You shot 14 under par. That's pretty good. Don't say yourself short. You were four back of third, though. So that was a solid T4. Yeah, I actually played great.

I had, I played that. Five under on Sunday. Well, I had a really good weekend. But the first round, I was, I was furious coming off the first round because we played in such nice conditions. It was calm and I'd shot level par and I just felt like that was such a, like on a course that I love when I was playing well. It was just such a poor score and it was like, you know, it was always an uphill battle from there to actually win the tournament. But, you know, I did well after that. And I played the stretch 9, 10, 11, 12 where, you know, you have to be picking shots up.

I played them really four. So there was things that I looked back thinking I could do better. But equally, you know, it's top five in a major and you've had an amazing week. So it's like, you know, that's the thing about golfing it. You always look at what you could have done. But reality, it was like, you know, a great finish. I played great and top five in the open. So do you have a set partner that you play with every week in the Dunhill or do you rotate it around?

Yeah, no, I've played with Ogden Phipps life for the last eight years or something. So, uh, one more time. What's his name? Ogden Phipps. He'll be very upset that you don't know him. He's like the, uh, you know, he thinks he's the star at the show at the Dunhill. So I'll, I'll mention that we've been talking about him. But we actually, we actually won the team event in, uh, 2019, I think, uh, which was,

which was really, really cool. What an event. That event's, um, the event. And he's, he's giving me, he's giving me crap for years because I think I've missed like, I've had, I've had two or three chances on the last going to get into a player for something and missed like a six, a six, seven foot or a, summer and and you know for forever is telling me that I've spewed all over the 18th grade and every time I play they don't know that I'm like I've chosen.

Ogden Phipps American Stockbroker. Learned something new every day. Yeah, you guys tied with Rory and his dad that year in 2019. Yeah, we did, but we won on, I don't even know how they figured. I'm not sure how they figured it wouldn't. I don't know whether it was like the second, like the final day or it was like the pro score or something. I don't know, but we won it.

And then he got Rory and Jerry head covers that says, 2019 done a link's runner-off. So you guys went the card off or something. We're going to see a Taylor Made Media Day next month? Yeah, I'll be there, yeah. Yeah, they've been... Do you remember... Yeah, first time that we ever met you, I flew a drone into a tree.

I do remember that. It was a drone lasted all of about 10 seconds. It was the first shot, first day. We have to film all day from like 8 a.m. with Tommy Fleetwood until 5 p.m. with Dustin John. or whatever and at 804 or something I was doing this circular shot no peripheral and it just right as you were about to take the club back and I was like oh shit luckily we had two drones it was it was it was it was such a good opener actually I enjoyed it very much well how about I mean probably one of

the best things I've ever seen in real life on a golf course was because it felt like a video game was you saying because you were my partner last year when we played a little bit of it and you said I was like you need your putter and you're like I don't need my putter at all because I was at the cart still. And this guy chips in on a part three. It was like the greatest call of all time. Like just he's like, you were actually mad I even offered the putter

as you're walking up to this chip. Well, I acted like that and I kind of thought, you know, I'll say a cool thing. But in reality, I was thinking I'm probably going to club this into the trap in front of like,

right? And I was like, it's nice to know that you guys think about saying cool things around us too because we think of really long and hard about the cool things we could say around. Oh, we grind over.

It came out and it sounded great. You know, the rest is the rest is history, obviously. I'm glad to remember, frankly. Speaking of your, speaking of your wedges, so you go 52, you go pitching wedge 52, 60, is that right? Yeah. So you just use your 52. Are you just a magician with your 52? Do you hit a lot of different shots basically with that thing?

Yeah, I mean, when I, you know, my first few years on tour, I was, I was such a, I was such a poor wedge player and I was such poor chipper. I had four wedges. I had 52, 56. I mean, I could have had eight wedges in just anything. Just give me the shot that's like. And then gradually as I got better and better, it was just easier for me to take an option out with my pitching. But also the other thing is the golf courses have changed.

The last few years, I just feel like I went to a phase where the courses have just got that fraction longer. And it's not, you know, I haven't got shorter. If anything, I'm gaining, like, the odd yard. But all of a sudden, like, you get these long par fours or these par fars where you have this yardage. And I'm like, I only had drive a three wood, five wood and a four iron. And all of a sudden, like, four-wind goes two-twenty and five was two-fifty.

I've got this 30-yard gap. I was never really that big a deal, like this 30-yard gap. How many shots do I actually use of it? But then I found I was having it into every par five. I was having it into these long par-fours. So I needed another club. So I started carrying a three iron or a seven-woods, like, depending on one. like depending on what we were doing and i took a wedge out just because i was you know it's actually

helped in a way it's just taking options away from me so like i know that you know it's one of those clubs um and yes it's helped that i've got better but just the way the course is set up now it's you just have longer shots these days i just think it's changed how much how far does a stock 52 go and how far does a stock 60 go because that must be a pretty big gab and i remember i know tiger goes straight from his pitching wedge to his sand wedge so he goes from pitching wedge all the way to 56 so you guys in these gaps. I mean, you must, you must be able to dial it back significantly. Yeah, so I always, I always feel like my 60 is a hundred yard club. I want a club that goes 100 yards in my bag, because then whatever I do with that club, I just, I can work backwards off 100. I feel like

it's a whole number. And then 52 goes, what might be 125 and 130. So that's a big gap, but you're saying it's easier to take something off 52 than take something off like a five would. Yeah, I just, Yeah, you just need, I just feel like you need more at the top end these days. Or I do. You know, I'm not, you know, I'm not one of those players that can smash it around the golf course and have less in. But like 52, I feel very comfortable getting to about like 105 and then, you know, the 60 takes over. So, you know, it works out well. And, I mean, in a day we have all day to practice, like what we're trying to say should be.

Fair. Are you guys, you think Rory and his dad are going to show up with a runner up head covers this week? I don't think they lasted very long. I really don't. Cool. Well, good luck. I'm excited to watch, actually, the Dunhill. Dunhill is one of the best tournaments, I would say, to watch, especially in the States,

because it's on early. You wake up. It's on before football for us a lot. And you guys are obviously playing Carnusti, Kings Barnes, old course. Really fun tournament to watch. It's such a good event, honestly, like, amazing courses. And I've been with the same guy for a long time, so we obviously have a, but we obviously have an amazing time, but it's just, yeah, it's such a great time.

And the other thing is, you know, like, so if you look at a week like the open, we don't get to go into the town at all by the week of the open. We, you know, we go. It's crazy. Yeah, it's so busy and we do our thing. We'd go back to the hotel room. It's like, you know, it's an exhausting week as it is. And then the done it's just that bit quieter.

You get to go and experience the town a bit more and everybody's that bit more relaxed. So it's, you know, it's nice to experience St. Andrews like that when you can. what's the indian place frankie that we went to i don't remember i was just trying to not shit my pants after it that's all i remember incredible indian place that trotty from tayor made brought us to i don't do well with spice i don't right he's got awabian probably wasn't the best choice then he's got all right um all right tommy we appreciate it we appreciate the time i think first real full podcast appearance so um appreciate the time i know it's not easy with scheduling and

And we'll see you in October in Florida for Media Day. Yeah, very excited. We'll see how many drones we can smash up. What kind of music do you listen to, Tommy? I don't know why, but I can't pin it on you. What kind of music do you listen to do? I'm going to guess it's got to be classic rock. No, I'm really not into rock at all.

Wow. Funny that people think that, though. People do look at me. Well, you look like you could play, you know, guitar in, like, the doors or something. Yeah, yeah, no musical talent whatsoever. But I mean, I like all kinds of music. I like chart music. I mean, R&B, stuff like that, you're like 90s R&B,

like stuff like that would be my first choice for sure. Anything that you can, you know, move to pretty much. Love that. Okay. I like to know because when I look at you now, now I'm going to think about you moving to R&B. Yeah, you go. It's better than the classic rock.

Okay, good. All right, Tommy. we appreciate it. Thank you for the time. Good luck this week. See you guys. And congratulations in the President's Co. Huge win for us.

Huge win for us. Very nice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. See you. See you, Tommy.

See you, Tommy.