Fore Play - Trevor Immelman, and The DeChambeau Asteroid Prepares To Impact Augusta, Fitzpatrick, and the Golf World

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

2008 Masters champion Trevor Immelman (44:40) joins the show and we get into Bryson DeChambeau and his distance preparing to descend upon Augusta, Matthew Fitzpatrick’s comments, what makes Augusta so diabolical on approach shots, Bobby Jones stories, and much more. Amongst ourselves, we react to Frankie’s choice to wear a collarless shirt to Devon Toews’ wedding and recap Riggs’ bachelor party at Big Cedar Lodge!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We've got the full squad right now. We have an interview with Trevor Emelman, the 2008 Masters Champ. We talked to him earlier this year during quarantine for the first time. He's been all over the place last few months covering professional golf PGA tour, major championships. He's won a major championship. We get deep into Augusta, the 12th hole, the third hole.

We get stories about Gary Player talking to Bobby Jones, all kinds of good stuff. Yes, we get into the distance situation. Our very good friend Matthew Fitzpatrick, Bryson DeShambo. We get into Trevor's thoughts on that. So we're going to throw it to Mr. Trevor Emelman soon here in a few minutes. But we got a lot more to get to before that. Frankie, I want to start with Frankie. He has had an incredible 48 hours, I would say, where he really took the internet by storm.

him on Saturday posting a photograph of himself at a wedding and a full suit just without a collar on his shirt. And then the groom of that wedding has since in the last couple hours been traded from his favorite team on Long Island all day across the fucking country to Colorado Avalanche. So I don't really know what's going on with you, Frankie. I really want to talk about your outfit, but it's almost been overshadowed by the fact that Taze Devon Taze, one of our buddies, one of you really good buddies, was just traded.

So it's been a crazy stretch. Yeah, crazy stretch is right. I guess I'll just go in order. I'll go real fast. I don't know. I want to talk about my disgusting outfit, my blubbery body, and my disgusting face.

So here it is. I went to this wedding, Devontase, good buddy. I think it's a little bit shocking to people. I got a bunch of messages. Like, oh, like, the person that, like, gets the chair thrown on him by his dad and, like, is doing all these things watching these games,

going crazy, is, like, actually going to these guys' ways. Like, yeah, I've become pretty good. friends with a couple of guys. We're going to have Brock Nelson on the show. Like, finally, it's off-season, and I can, like, bring the guys on the show. We can get him involved. So I was, like, really excited to go to this wedding. You know, it's like, I've been buddies at Devon now for a couple years. We golf all the time. Very excited to be at his wedding. I love his wife is one of the most, like, nicest people I've ever met. And I'm like, it's a hockey wedding. So I have to, you guys see the way hockey players

dressed up. Like, I looked up pictures from Matt Martin's wedding the year before. And, like, fucking Matt Barzell showed up in like a turtleneck up to his like forehead. Like they like, they like, I don't know what that means. So I'm not in the hockey world. What does hockey players mean? What does that mean? Hockey players like wear like very different outfits. When they show up to the rank, they have like, they have like pants, suit pants that

go up to their shins and they get no socks. And then like they'll wear crazy colors. Like Brock Nassi, he's going to come to the show. He has this green suit that you couldn't wear if you're just a regular person. You got to walk out of the rink with the wet hair, the fucking stuff all over your face. You have this tendency where at, like, larger occasions, you just, you turn into, like, a costume guy or something. Like, you go at, when we play Kisner in the four-man's script, all of a sudden you show up with, like, a visor on and your button all the way up to the top. And, like, when you go to those NHL wedding, you're dressing like somebody you saw in a picture of it or wet, like, just dressed like a, just dressed like a, just dressed like a, just like a, a, you're dressed like a, just dressed like a, a, you're just dressed like a, a,

fucking normal Frankie Borelli going to a gun. Listen, there's no doubt I took a risk. I said, and I tweeted it out. I showed out. I'm like, this is a risky outfit. I saw it on a mannequin the night before. And I pulled it right off the mannequin. It fit nice. And, uh, you know, I showed up and I got that.

And I looked and I was like, oh, no, we got to get back on the Uber. I'm like, no one else took a risk. I'm the only guy here. The only guy here not wearing a collar. I had a black fucking sweater on underneath this thing. I actually thought it looked good. It's just it's not like, and I've gotten that response. It looked good.

just like out of place. So, you know, as you guys know me, I like to talk a ton of shit about myself. Like, first thing I said to everyone that I introduced myself to, I'm like, my name's Frankie Greil. Great to meet you. Congratulations. To the parents. Congratulations. I know I look ridiculous. I want to get past that. Like, I said it to every person I'd met because I couldn't stop talking about. Everyone's done. You did it with the hat the other day. We were in a meeting with a bunch of people and you were wearing the islanders hat that has sort of a too big of a brim and you couldn't stop talking about it. And then as soon as we got in the meeting, you were like, hey what's up everybody um i know i'm wearing this stupid hat i look ridiculous in it like you bring

attention to things that most people wouldn't notice anyway but that outfit i like it i thought he looked really good i thought it's a thank you i appreciate it it's a risky outfit i think it played like at the wedding people were laughing that you know now now 48 hours later divan is fucking getting ready to the rest of his life with his beautiful new bride and lou la morel comes in and trades his ass to colorado for two draft picks. It's a stunning, stunning move. I'm very upset that he's not going to be on Long Island anymore. I do love Colorado.

I've talked about that on his podcast. One of my favorite places in the world. I've gone there like 10 times. I've family out there, the whole thing. So that'll be fun to go, like, maybe go to an islander's abs game and like stay with days or something. That would be a fun place. But it sucks.

You're not going to have him. He's also like the number one pairing D-Man. Like on the power play, he's the quarterback of the power play. So you just lose a very good hockey player. you can't afford him personally for him it's going to be great he's going to a team that's probably a cup contender right now maybe the best team on paper Colorado Avaland and he's about to get paid because the islanders couldn't afford him so fucking sucks yeah I would say pre pre-COVID and bubble and everything kind of changed a little bit of everything although Tampa was probably I mean they've been the best team one of the best teams for last couple years but I was going to say as a blues fan pre-covid Colorado was the only team. team in the West that I was even close to concerned about the Blues losing to. So they are very, very good and deep. And I think a lot of people have picked them the last couple of years,

like once they matured a little bit, and adding Devante's, who's a top two, three defenseman anywhere that is huge for them. So he's going to be fine. I'm worried about you. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. And like reading,

so he's got like radio silent on the text. I texted him. I didn't know what to do in that situation. do you like say like I'm going to miss you but like so like I think he's probably excited for like the opportunity I'm not going to say like but he fucking he played for bridgeport he got drafted here out of Quinnipiac he's like even though he's born in Abbotsford Canada and all the way northwest like he's become like a northeast guy kind of going to school around here played for Bridgeport straight to the islanders has been fucking awesome here I mean his wife's

from around here so it's a fucking life change and I'm going to miss him I'm going to miss Devontas it sucks he's also going to make a lot of money he's going to make a ton of money Yeah, like the islanders can't, their situation they can't really afford him. And Colorado, clearly the way it worked out, like he's going to get paid over there and they're really good. So it's great for DeVanté's. It's not great for Frank Borelli. So I do feel for you. He is an awesome guy.

He's one of the nicest guys. We did a golf trip. It's not a vacation. It's a golf trip last year. Out of the West Coast, we went to Chambers Bay. He drove down. We talked about that. There's videos from it all over our YouTube page.

He's just the nicest guy. you can have and he's just gone now. It's sad. I'm also bummed because when he was an islander, I had no problem rooting for him. Like the islanders and blues don't really go after each other. It's totally cool. Whatever.

You're one of my, you know, my Easter conference team's great. Now it's like, he's in your kitchen. He's in your kitchen. He's some fucking enemy now. And he's actually,

you've had a pretty good relationship back and forth where like he, I mean, we're talking about him like he died. He's going to be all right. But like, but when he beat the Blues, he scored a game when he goal at the Coliseum against the Blues.

You were there, and he sent you a gift immediately, right when he got to the locker room of Tiger Woods fist bumping. That's a guy who gets it. Most guys in professional sports don't get it. He gets it. His fucking jockstrap wasn't even off yet.

I got a Tiger fist bump gift immediately from him with no, nothing else. He didn't say anything else. So he is. He's awesome. now he's going to be in my kitchen, which does suck. Because I don't want that. I like to root for him. I like to root for the islanders.

We, even like a trickle-down effect from your relationship with him. We've gotten a no, a handful of the guys. They're awesome. Tagers is the man. So it's sad that he's gone. It's very funny that it happened 48 hours after the wedding that you went to and became a headline. Whitney, like, how come our foreplay fans aren't like an army like the fucking tricklets? I love spitting tickets.

I think they're the best podcast for hockey. I love those guys. They make me fucking laugh my ass off. I listen to almost every episode, even though I'm supposed to hate Whitney and Pitts. And they have this fucking fan base, which are stoolies. And like we do the,

but like Whitney wrote, you wore that fucking turtleneck and now he's, like, you're the reason he's gone, which is like a chirp. It's funny. He gets like 2,500 likes in a minute.

And everyone's like, body, oh, put him in a body bag. Like they're all using like hockey lingo. Like, oh, you dummy, you got dumb. me like okay like Whitney's not gonna put his cock out because you listen to it fucking thank Johnny me not sometimes but I love them I love I love them but when you're on the other

side of them it's brutal it's brutal it's absolutely brutal plus Whitney hates you on dude you're like trailing off you're not even talking your microphone anymore like an old man it's one of those things where it's like I fucking like I Whitney makes me laugh but then he attacks me all the time it's very it's like I it's like He's like one of my favorite people in the world, and he just keeps being mean to me. So it's like, I don't know how to take, like, I want to, like, the other day, he, like, messaged me about my swing. He's like, this is unbelievable.

And then, like, one second later, he's murdering me on Twitter. And I'm like, come on, man, we were on a good role here. We're on a good role for 10 seconds. Fuck. We're going to miss Tade. You're going to miss Taze a lot. It's going to suck again that he's playing against the blues. But, hey, I also thought your outfit looked good.

It just wasn't you. That was my big pick. It's just not, I don't have the body type. Like you said earlier in it, you were like, yeah, like hockey players wear this,

like crazy suit. Well, you're not a hockey player. Right. You don't wear the crazy suit. They have these claws and these calves. Like, yeah.

I will say, when you started talking it, it reminded me of, um, like just you. Because like, you're very much just like, Frankie Brewery.

That's like, you're all the same way. You told me about when your dad and Dave came there to do a pizza review. He just went out and built a totally new pizza. Like, I don't know why in the big moments that you just change around everything that they made you who you are in the big moment. So at least it's kind of... That's a good point. It's a very good point. Yeah, my dad, we've been making the same pizza for 65 years at Borrellys, and it's why we've been there for 65 years.

And the one-time Dave Portnoy, the most influential pizza reviewer came to Borreleys. He made a totally different pizza, which is just crazy. Like, he might as well... go to the most famous wedding you've ever been to and wear a whole different outfit. Yeah. What did you say to you, Eddie? I was going to say, like, yeah, my Frankie, Mr. Brelli basically built a whole new restaurant right next door and was like, coming to this new place. Yeah, we're trying something out over here.

Something in your guys' DNA, you just feel like you can't be you with a big occasion. You just got to be somebody else. I just died when I saw the fun. I was like, what is this? What is he doing? I don't, again, I did thought, like, we don't see your hair very often. all your hair and you look clean. The outfit I thought looked pretty good, but it just was like, it just wasn't supposed

to be on you. That's the only time of the place. Like, I was the only one wearing dark colors. Everyone was, I don't know. It was, I stuck out, like, I stuck out. I definitely stuck out, which is unfortunate because you don't want to take away from the bride and the groom. Like, I was a storyline there.

And that was, you know, it's funny. Someone actually, so like, one of, we'll get off this topic now because I know people want to kill me. But, like, one of Taves's friends or like, uncle. No, it was one of his wife's uncle's sons texted him and was like, Barstool. Barstool is crashing your guy's wedding right now. Go tell Devon. Like there's a kid that's getting likes on Twitter.

And he's like, he's rummaging through that place with a crazy outfit on. So the guy ran up to Devon. He's like, I don't know what this means, but Barstool is crashing your wedding right now. Like Big Ben Barstool. And he's like, no, like he just, he's just here. He got an invitation and everything. Frankie, he's there. So it's like, of course.

The barstool guy couldn't just be invited to the wedding and just blend in and just hang out. You had to be, before you even walked in, you snap one photo out front in front of the hashtag sign or whatever, and it was just all over Twitter immediately. Well, that was Scotty Mayfield that hit me with that. He was being mean to me too. He's like, he was just like, look at you for it. He's like, you can sell the new iPhone at any minute. I was like, Jesus Christ.

There was some great comments. I will say the first thought that I had was, yes, the outfit looked outrageous. but when your girlfriend was standing next to you, I was like, oh, there's the girl that loves dead people. Yeah, I'm just, I look, uh, yeah, I look very pale. The whole thing's gross, so I mean, I don't know. I'm gross. It was a good memory, though.

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So go to Owensmixers.com and get yourself involved. Like I just mentioned, Big Cedar Lodge in Missouri. We talked about it a little bit when I was here with Jake Bass, who's our producer, during the Paines Valley Cup. That was sort of a really quick trip. There was a lot of work stuff that happened. We had the Jack interview. We had the Justin Rose interview.

There was the Paines Cup actual match, which we broke down. And then Paines Valley we talked about because everybody was seeing it on TV. It looked crazy. It looked sweet. But it wasn't necessarily like a buddy's trip experience. And that this past weekend is what I had there where I was like, okay, I'm going to like finally go do the entire resort. Being a St. Louis guy, it's a three and a half, four hour drive away. My boy Pete's getting married in two weeks.

We were supposed to do it at the Ryder Cup. He was going to have his whole bachelor party at the Ryder Cup. They're huge golf guys. They're going to go up that area and play Aaron Hills in a couple places. Obviously that got canceled. So a little pivot was like. like, hey, let's go down to Big Cedar Lodge, which is in our state. Nobody has to get on any flights.

It's a four-hour drive or so, so let's go down there. And it was phenomenal. I posted a ton of photos. I know I'm sure people probably saw some of them, but the Gary Player 13-hole course, which I don't know that I've ever played a Gary Player course before, despite how much interaction we've had with it? Is it down there or up there? Well, if you're going south.

Does it sound? I pictured D. I pictured Cedar Lodge being in the north. Is it up? I thought your question if it was like, is it down there up there

in terms of just traveling? I say down there if I'm going south somewhere, I say up there. Yeah, but you do, you would probably describe

these courses as up there is there on like bluffs and mountains, you know, mountainous terrain and the Ozark mountain. There is a height guy, like an elevation.

So the mountains are south of St. Louis. Yeah, the Ozarks are south of St. Louis. But they're up elevated, got it. Okay.

But I would, yeah, but when you approach them in a vehicle, you'd drive a little out there. How many times in like class did you ever just like the teacher said something to you? Like that it felt like it made sense to everybody else, but you just didn't get it and you just looked at them and just go, got it. And then you just start smiling. And everybody in their mother knows you don't have it. But nobody's going to go back to it. Also, I found myself my whole life in situations where I've gotten confident enough to like, speak up like that and then I've just been wrong.

Yeah. And then I just have to accept that I was wrong. It usually comes with that smirk and like, okay, now, all right, whatever. I don't care. You're wrong. Go fuck yourself. Like, I'll never just like accept it. Like, yeah, it's been, I wasn't the best dude. But yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. You would say down there, though, from where you got. I think it's significantly more south than almost anywhere that we would be

originated from. So I think that most people would say down there. Like if you were going to go to Canada, you would say up there, I think. And if you were going to go to Mexico, you would say down there. It's just, yeah, it makes sense. And I think you would say down there now that I think about it. It's also the same. I just get confused with it sometimes, especially with like, all right, someone was playing a Barstogat Society event. And I'm not trying to derail what you were just saying, but it has to do with this. And they said, bet me that I'm going to go over and under minus 18. And I was like, well, Like, if I want to say that you're going to shoot minus 17, 17 under, is that over or under minus 18? Because, like...

You're over minus 18. If I think he's not going to get there. Yeah. That's fucked. That's what I would say, but I don't... People would still have to be like, well, which one? But what do you mean? Right.

You have to explain what you mean. Well, I would say negative 17 is more than negative 18. correct that's what he's saying that's what he's saying over yeah but like it's crazy to think it's not minus the team like clearly everyone knows what you mean when you say all right hey like I think I'm gonna finish

18 under in this thing over under and I'm gonna be like oh yeah I think so I'll take the over on that 19 I think you get it it's like yeah but like think about it the over you're doing about achieving points like the over is about your negative one the over is about achieving points

yeah I know Like you think that you're going to get more. That's a tangled web. I hear you know. So that's what I was dealing with this weekend. And then I also, on top everything, and then also the fact that,

and this is going to sound really stupid, that no matter what number you multiply by two, you always end up with an even number. You can't. Even if it's an odd, you just, that one really fucked me. Someone told me that when I was drunk

and I was like, now hold on what you're talking about. Like 141 times it by two. It's 282. So it's fun. You can't get an odd number from multiplying by two. You just can't do it in wonder what you do. You wonder how many numbers you add in there.

Always on. We had different weekends because I wasn't doing that. I think so much incredible, man. Especially when you start getting the clouds that are beneath the golf course. Like I feel like I start seeing stuff like that where you're basically above the clouds. That's crazy. We were saying driving up someone with to Paines Valley on Saturday because we've been there for a day and a half or so already. And someone was saying driving up like, man, I hope we get one of those.

foggy mornings. Then as we drove up, you know, from the lodge area to Paines Valley, which, again, people have seen the drone footage and all the clips that kind of took over the internet for a whole day when Tiger and Rory and Rose and JT were playing. And boom, as we drive up, you can see the fog, the clouds that were kind of halfway between the starting point and how high up we were. And it just looked so majestic. And the place is, I think, just so surprising to people. I mean, Missouri is, you get a lot of the responses. Like, oh, Missouri, that's a random state or it's a flyover state. And you just think the whole thing is going to be flat.

And the northern half of Missouri is damn flat. But the Ozars in the South are just so stunning. Like, even me from St. Louis where we vacation in this area, if you were ever like, you just forget. And then the fact that this guy, Johnny Morris, you know, who's a billionaire, Bass Pro Shop founder, founded Big Cedar. and then in the last several years decided to invest heavily in golf. It's like, oh, if someone actually told you you just have a ton of money

and you can build awesome golf courses on this land, that would probably turn out really sweet. And it just did. Like the Tiger course, Paines Valley was our group's number one course by far. I think pretty much everyone in the group, except for maybe two guys that had been to Cabot before. Paines Valley was their favorite course that they've ever played. The fairways are super wide.

It's gorgeous. It's in perfect shape. The greens are awesome. The 19th hole is incredibly sweet. They had a bar in the 19th hole where you rolled up and they had like a rum juice that they were making that the bar gender was serving us. And then you get to do, if you put in 20 bucks, you get like some, you get you get a thousand dollars and something back if you get a hole in one, which obviously nobody's going to get a hole in one. But everybody gets all checked up for it. And then the other courses there, there's Buffalo Ridge.

There's Ozarks National, which are both 18 whole courses that are just stunning. and then they have two of the par three courses. The Gary Player one that I mentioned, which was walking only, and the views on that are the same as Payne's Valley. It's just right next to it. And then the Nicholas course, which overlooks Table Rock Lake,

which is nine holes as well, was kind of the original out here that they built. And then all the lodging and the restaurants around it, it's just kind of breathtaking. And I was trying to figure out what would be in my top five of golf resorts in America. And you've got Pioneers, you've got Bandon,

you've got pebble, beach, which Pebble Beach is a little bit more. Like, I don't know that it's a buddy's trip destination because it's so expensive, but it is obviously a golf resort. And then, like, I think you have to throw a big cedar in the top five of best golf resorts in the country. Like, everything's right there. They've got so much golf.

They've got other activities. So it was just amazing. We got to come do a, you know, a travel series here at some point because the courses here are fucking awesome. How do you get there? If I'm a New York guy, how do I get to big cedar? So you fly into Springfield, Missouri, which is about an hour from Big Cedar, maybe 45 minutes. And Springfield, you can get to you from Chicago.

So I think from New York, you'd probably have to go New York to Chicago. And then it's like an hour flight, hour and five minute flight from Chicago to Springfield. And you drive down there. So it's not the easiest place to get to, but it's not that horrific. But it was cool. It was incredibly cool. There's going to be more videos that we shot that will. put out this week and next week.

And then we also have Paines Valley video, all 18 holes on our YouTube page. If you want to check that out. I also found the Paines Valley Cup on YouTube. I was watching it the other day where they just kind of put the entire broadcast. And since Jake and I were there, we were trying to do the Jack interview

and the Rose interview. We missed like most of the thing. And when you're there, you don't really know what the broadcast looks like because you're on property. And that was awesome. I was just rewatching that with the Domino's comments and JT.

sharp and everybody. It was it was so freaking good. So if you want more looks at sort of what I'm describing and talking about, jump on YouTube and search Paines Valley, search big cedar, you know, golf and you'll find a bunch of these different golf courses. Okay. In terms of headlines, we have quite a bit to get into with Matthew Fitzpatrick and with Bryson DeShabo. Our guy Fitsy had so he's leading, he was leading after I think the second round out. in just outside of London at Wentworth at the BMW Championship on the European tour. He's asked because Bryson was doing what he was doing over in Vegas and driving 375-yard greens and making Eagles left and right, shot whatever 62 that first round after winning the U.S.

Open by 6, all the hype about Augusta, which we get into a bunch of that stuff with Trevor Emelman. But he was kind of in an interview was talking about what's going on. And Matthew Fitzpatrick weighs in and says it's not a skill. to hit the ball a long way, in my opinion. I could put on 40 pounds. I could go and see a biomechanist, and I could gain 40 yards.

That's actually a fact. I could put another two inches on my driver. I could gain that. But the skill, in my opinion, is to hit the ball straight. That's the skill. He's just taking this skill out of it, in my opinion. I'm sure lots will disagree.

It's just that. So he says this, and since then has gotten obviously roasted by a lot of different people. Bryson responded. We know Matthew Fitzpatrick. We love Matthew Fitzpatrick. Even in our text group, we were kind of like, oh shit, like what's Fidsey? Like, what's going on? I know, and Amon Lynch, who's our boy, who we love and have described in the show many times who writes for golf is one of the funniest people in the world.

And I saw his article on the whole thing, not necessarily defending Matthew Fitzpatrick, but he wrote it from the vantage point of understanding what Matthew Patrick was saying, which was, I don't think he's like taking shots of Price and DeChambo at all. I think he was just largely taking shots at the state of the game, which is a much larger conversation that many, many, many people actually agree with, which is that, you know, the distances that people were able to hit the ball right now, hitting it accurately just isn't as important, and that's supposed to be a premium skill in golf. So he's upset about that.

He's also, for the record, you know, like Frankie Borelli's size or significant less, which actually led to our relationship with him because Frankie said that might be the only person on tour I could beat up. And so I could see Matthew Fitzpatrick being quite upset and venting, or whatever you want to say about the whole thing. Context matters. We get into that with our guy Trevor Emelman. But this really set people off and was not taken, you know, lightly, as you might imagine in the golf world. Well, we can, like, he's our buzzer. but at the end of the, like, he's bitching about this, right? So, and I just disagree with what he's saying.

I disagree with it in our group text. I still love Matt Fitzpatrick. I've said things that people disagree with almost every single day. So I know what it feels like. I know that, like, you just want to say something and you feel a certain way. Not everyone's going to agree with you. Him coming out and saying that he could, it just sounds so bad being like, I could gain 40 pounds and I could gain 40 yards off.

Like, no, you actually can't. because if you could, you would. You have the same frame as me, and we're both look like sickly at times. So like at the end of the day, you can't just put 40 pounds on. If Matthew Fitzpatrick put 40 pounds on in the blink of an eye, like he'd be rolling around the golf course. He's like a small frame. Like that just isn't possible.

He can't, he doesn't have the body type to do what Bryson does. I've always looked at like, like Lurch. Lurch has the body type to be able to put on 40 pounds of like muscle. He's big framed, thick body. he could do it. It would be normal for him. Like, he'd look ridiculous, but he could do it. I can't physically do it. I don't think that he can't. And then the nicest thing you've ever said about my body did rough.

I mean, that was... Oh, yeah, but like, you're built to, like, put on, like, weight if you, like, like, muscle if you could, right? Like, it's easier for you to turn that stuff to muscle than for me. For sure. But one part of your... Oh, sorry, keep going. No, it's just it comes off air bitchy when you're, when you're at a point where, like, we all know you couldn't do that fit.

So it's like, I know if you're talking about the state of the game and all, like, just let, like, the guy saw that you could add 40 pounds. He could add 40 yards. And he did it. Like, how is that wrong in any way? Go do it then. What's stopping you from doing it? The love of the game. The history of the game is stopping you from being stronger?

And that's, and that's largely what Justin Thomas said. Like JT weighed in in the comment section and said pretty massive skills, learn how to optimize your ball flight and pick up distance. Not to mention hours and hours in the gym, testing clubs, hitting balls, seeing which swing hits it farthest, etc. I think learning a new way to play the game, implementing it and being successful kind of takes a lot of skill with a little shrug emoji. So like JT essentially was just saying that right there. They're like, no, no, this is everything that he's doing is skillful. I guess my, my sort of, it's actually more skill. It's actually more skill.

My sort of defense to Fitzpatrick was that I, like, context, context does matter. And like, I'm giving fits enough credit, having spoken to enough that, like, I don't think it was as simple as, oh, Fitzpatrick thinks that what Bryce is doing isn't skillful and is ruining off. What a petty little bitch. Like, I don't think that it's that simple. It definitely comes off like that in the. comments, I think that Fitzpatrick was more weighing it again on like the larger issue of if we're just going to allow people to hit the ball so goddamn far, it's taking away a lot of the elements that are fundamental and important to a playing good golf that have always existed and that he thinks that's

kind of bullshit. Now, of course he's going to fall on that side. I included Aiman Lynch's comment because it's laugh out loud funny. He wrote Fitzpatrick, a man so slender of build that he might have to jog around the shower to get wet is spotting 85 pounds to Deschambe, whose bulk might soon demand he shower in a car wash. But Patrick averages just shy of 295 yards off the tee, a respectable number, but still typically a Walmart or so behind the Hulk. I need to fight this guy. I mean, I need to throw hands now. The car wash thing is mean to all skinny people. That was crazy. regardless, there was like, whether or not that's what Matthew Fitzpatrick actually meant,

there are people who hold this opinion, right? And it's almost like we've been waiting for someone to finally step out and be like, what Bryson is doing is not fair. I wish he wasn't able to do that. I wish he wasn't hitting it so far. I wish he wasn't winning the U.S. Open by six strokes. Again, I don't know if that's what Matthew Fitzpatrick meant, but if that's not what he meant, it's almost like he became a straw man for an argument

that we saw coming a mile away. Someone at some point was going to stand up and be like, something's wrong here. We don't think that they're wrong, but someone, and probably a lot of people have that opinion in the golf world. Yeah, I think if he meant that, then he just,

Fitsy just misspoke. Because, like, Briggs, if you think that he meant that, then, like, his quote of saying, like, it's not skillful, that's just crazy. Like, to hit it that far and actually hit it straight is actually just wildly. present and people evolve and get more skillful and get more athletic like the first guy to

dunk a basketball everybody that was laying it up must have been like well that's just way cooler like do we have to raise the hoop like that is why it's more efficient than me laying it up but Fitzpatrick didn't say that it's not skillful to hit it long and straight he just said it's not a skill to hit the ball a long way, in my opinion. He said that the skill, in my opinion, is to hit the ball straight. So the way I took that was his point was being that, you know, like a long drive guy. Like, yes, there is a skill in obviously hitting the ball super, super far. But his point was just that like every long drive guy can't be one of the better players in the world. And that like, it's not a skill of a professional golfer to be able to do.

just hit the ball super, super far. Like, that's not the game. It's essentially the way that I took what he was saying. And that, you know, he's assuming that everybody understands that Bryson's obviously skilled. But just his point of like, just beefing up and being able to just hit it super, super, super, super far isn't like skillful. It's just being a meat hit. It's sort of.

The hitting a straight thing confuse me, though, because Bryson hits it pretty straight, especially for how far he hits it. see I think he hits it like he hits it way straighter than people would guess for how far he hits it, right? Like that was sort of what Brandel said when he came on the show was how amazing it is that he's picked up so much yards, hits it so far and hits it pretty damn straight. So right. So that part wouldn't make a ton of sense that like Bryson isn't just spraying it all over now. Like he isn't also the straightest hitter in the world. Right. He just figured like if I'm not going to be the straightest.

hitter in the world, I'm going to hit it really far and still relatively straight. And that's going to be incredibly beneficial. And it is and allows him to play really good golf that wins U.S. opens and has elevated his game to a point that we talk about him every fucking week. But I just think that, again, like Fitzpatrick is thoughtful enough that he didn't mean that it's just not a skill. I think he is frustrated. And part of me also took it as like in the sense of it is a ridiculous comment of someone being upset that like if you're if you're you know five foot eight and you're one of the better shooters in the world like you're still going to get dominated in basketball by somebody like lebron james just because of the way that he's born in physical

stature i'm like he's just a million times bigger than you and that's a huge benefit in the game so it's like on some level that's i get that that's insanely frustrating it's like no there's no skill in him to just be born like lebron james and i'm born like matthew fitz paddard like how am i supposed to compete against that. So I see that would be incredibly frustrating, but if the comments come off is very petty. He says like he could like become LeBron James if he wanted to. That's where he lost, lost. Right. So like you're saying like, oh, like Bryson has this, has this skill, what you was born with. He's just big, very stronger. He's more longer. But then he like, all right, like, oh, you got me here. It's like, yeah, I can get behind that. And then he's like, but at any moment,

I could go do that as well. And then it's like, well, now I got to step off the train. I can't be on, I can't be on this anymore because you can't. Well, I disagree with you, Frankie. If, like, if you could, you would. Because I don't think that to be the case with everybody. Like, if you could put on 40 pounds, you would put on 40 pounds. In that context, that's what, in that context, though, I think that makes more sense.

He's kind of alluding to that for sure. But, like, I think to the point of, like, just physical beings and some people elevating the next level and others not like like you know playing football just stay on that point or basketball like you know you're staying around like at a bar and having a beer watching a game and some guys like oh I could have made it the NBA but like I just wasn't quite tall enough well like yes or no like you probably would have just never made it the NBA but maybe if you're taller maybe you could have like sports evolve and people evolve in the sports and maybe the sport goes to this place where everybody's six four six five and just

absolutely annihilates the ball around the golf course. And if you can't do that, you can't compete. And that's how you show kind of like your physical stature in that game. I don't know if that's where it goes, but it's possible. I mean, there's always been talks like in sports and debates and stuff about like, like, I mean, that's like the main argument in basketball. Like when you compare stats from back in the day to now, the guys are just taller and stronger now.

So it's like hard. I've done that argument with hockey where guys are just faster, stronger, better, goalies are better, all this stuff. That's why I said Wayne Grisky wouldn't crack in NHR roster in 20. 20. That one really got to keep you going. Fitz, if you want to like ever lay off, like you want to take a, take a, take a, just like a moment to realize that people have made worse statements than you. Just go back to when I started here at Barstle. And I, I came in guns of blaze in one day, like, hey, you guys know that guy, Wayne Kretsky?

That guy sucked, huh? That was tough. He does, him saying, I'm sure lots will disagree, makes me sort of think like he knew what he was doing. Totally. Totally. Totally. Totally. you know like as much as we want to give him the benefit of that because what we're saying is he said like sort of a strange thing but at the end of the thing he was like i'm sure people aren't going to agree with that so maybe he did mean what it also comes on the heels of like rory making that statement saying like i didn't think someone was going to win a u s open like this we have to like reevaluate the way these games being played i just think that the big bad man bryson de shambo is bullying around the pGA tour right now and no one knows how to deal with it and guys are getting frustrated like Is Matthew Fitzpatrick looking at this world being like, is this what the PGA tour has come to? Like, is this what I have to do now to win? Like, that's bullshit. That's not the way the game has always been played.

It's about skill. It's about touch, finesse. And this assholes coming over here and just fucking ruining it for the rest of us. That's fucking hilarious. And also sucks for fits. Like, I don't know what to tell you, man. Guys get bigger. Guys get stronger.

I agree with that. And I think I got finding more about what he said. He said, I'm biased because I'm not quite the longest. But in the U.S. Open at Wingfoot, Fairplayed at Bryson, he won and shot six under. The fairways were tight as hell. I drove it brilliantly and actually played pretty well, but yet still missed the cut by one because I was miles behind. He's in the ruff and miles up. He's hitting wedges from everywhere.

It just makes a bit of a mockery of the game. So I just looked it up, and they both hit 43% of their fairways. But Bryson's just miles ahead of Maddofitz-Patrick. So for him, it's like, when I hear that quote, I just hear a baby cry. in the background. It's like, wow. I was going to say,

miles behind. Like, sorry, but he said, Bryson's shoving Fitzpatrick's face in the ground, like, try and hit me.

Like, you know, like, he's got his hand on his forehead. He's like, come on, you little boy.

Like, what are these comments? Like, he thinks he should have made the cut? Like, what does he think? I don't know. What is he getting at?

I think he's frustrated that hitting the ball super far is a good advantage. We got a little more context. And it lends. more to him being like, what Bryson is doing is fucking pissing me off. I love Matt to Gitzpatrick.

This doesn't take anything away from it. I will still have a beer. I'll have a, what do they call beers? What do they call them? A pint. A pint? I'll have a pint with him at the local pub. I love him.

I'll fucking kick back. I'll go to his house and I'll hit into that little net that he did when you're on the pot. Listen, it has nothing to do with him as a person. I just don't agree with this take. It comes up very petty, like you said. And you know what? He's just caught me on a time where I'm on a,

I'm on the Bryson train right now. I think everything he does is hilarious, and he's just a victim right now of this absolute massacre of a season that Bryson Dichambeau is having. He's massacring people. It's fucking bloodbath. It's like the boy.

People's heads are exploding. Bryson took it incredibly well and in stride for him. Sometimes he backfires, I feel like, in these situations, and he just said, I appreciate that. What's up?

He can't lose right now, yeah, like you're saying. What you're about to say, it's a perfect. It's a perfect response. It's perfect. It's perfect. appreciate that comment. It's a compliment to me, honestly. A year ago, I wasn't hitting it anywhere

near as far as I am today. It took a lot of work, a lot of hours to work through the night to figure out a lot of this stuff. So he pretty much was like, yeah, you saying that golf has been made unfair by me is a huge compliment to me. Thank you very much. So again, like I'm caught between trying to defend our guy, Matthew Fitzpatrick, because I love him to death, and also understanding that like he must be very frustrated than on a professional level. Someone has just come in with a significantly larger physical stature. And a lot of that was through hard work. A lot of that is also just through like natural genetics.

And that has lent it to Bryce and the ability to Bryce to be able to just hit the ball way farther. And hitting it way farther in golf is a big advantage. And so that's just the fact. So it's like it's like being an offensive lineman and like you're like a really good player no one gets through to you to the quarterback and you've been living your whole life and your whole career just doing your job you go through the motions and then all of a sudden j j walk comes around and you're like who the fuck is this animal like how is this guy spinning off me he's double

the size of me his arms could snap my neck and they're like this isn't fair like i didn't learn how to play offensive line like this against a guy like j j w it shouldn't be like that they should be like the guys that i always defended against like that's not fair that this guy is otherworldly big and strong and doing things that no one's ever done before. You can't say that, man. You just, like, or all this Chapman, that fucking bum. That guy gives up a home run every goddamn year. But, like, he throws a ball 101 miles an hour.

Imagine, like, guys are just like, oh, it's like not fair. Like, no one throws that hard. Guys are hitting home runs off him every time because they fucking figure it out. Figure it out, fits. Figure it out. Be better. Be better. Win.

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Trevor Emelman just took a red eye last night. You're back in Orlando already, which I'm amazed by. So you must be tired. I do feel bad that, like, you talk golf for a living and you get days off. It's probably the last thing you want to do. And then I bug you nonstop about coming around and talking about golf. Yeah, but I love it. I love it.

It's great to be with you guys. And, yeah, anytime I can join, it's awesome. Talking golf is one of the things that I love to do. so I'm up for it any time. Well, look, it was another big week playoff last night, which we'll get into some crazy up and downs and some really cool moments.

But again, I feel like the week was dominated by Bryson, who's obviously the U.S. Open winner, Matthew Fitzpatrick went after him with some comments. As someone who, again, I mean, you're a major champion. You're there most weeks in and out now. What are sort of your thoughts on this whole, the distance thing and Bryson's sort of seemingly on the verge of like destroying Augustin National a couple weeks? Yeah, it's an interesting one. I guess I got to be careful. Fitsy is your guy, right? So I've got to watch out with some of

this. No, I like him a lot too. Great, great guy, great golfer. I do disagree with the take that came out on social media last week. Now, whether that was his whole statement or not, I'm not quite sure. So, you know, be that as it may, I just feel like what Bryson has been able to do really since the President's Cup, so since December or so, the amount of work that it takes, the amount of knowledge, first of all, with the people that are supporting him, the Chris comers of the world, the trainer, the caddy, the nutritionists, everybody else that he's got in this team, the amount of work and sacrifice that it's taking for him to get to this point where

he's put all the weight on, he's done it safely, he's built the muscle to where it's not bound him up, it's actually increased his flexibility, and to be able to create these gains with the ball speed and clubhead speed, it's really unbelievable. the first time that I saw it live was right in the return to golf, where was I maybe as the travelers. And I went out to walk a few holes with him and Chris Como. And the first couple of holes, I was standing like to the side, like caddy view. And I mean, I've been watching people play golf since I was five years old.

And you get used to, you know, when somebody hits a ball, like your head follows the ball and you used to the speed of it. you can follow it quite comfortably. And for the first few holes, when I'm standing like where the caddy would be, he's hitting it and my eyes are going and they're not going fast enough. The ball is like already gone. Like my eyes had to try and catch up to this thing. That's how fast that it was coming off of the club face. At that point, this was right when he had come out of the gym and really created these games.

He was right up near 200 miles an hour on the golf course at that point with the ball speed. And it was mind-blowing. And so, you know, knowing Chris Comer really well, I know what they've gone through to try and get to this point. And so I have a real deep appreciation for the work that he's put in. And I think it's just a little unfair for everybody to say, oh, it's because of the technology. Because a year ago, he was using the exact same golf clubs

and was hitting it 25-yard shorter. So has the technology improved? over the last 10, 20, 30 years? Absolutely. Nobody's debating that. But has the technology improved in the last eight months for him to make these gains? No, it's all been him in the gym, making all the sacrifices to create this extra speed. So it's an incredible skill.

Yeah, it is interesting because I saw those quotes too, and we, Fancy is our boy. He's our English guy. So, like, we have to have guys everywhere. He's our Brit, which we're very proud to have him. He's very smart. he's very thoughtful. So I also am very curious about sort of the full context of everything that he did say because then, you know, he gets Justin Thomas comes out sort of defending Bryson. And so it all, it looks bad for our boy. But it's it's also like, I think your colleague, Brandel was tweeting out that, you know, the U.S. Open, which he won by six, Bryson, you know, I think five, six, seven guys in the field were hitting the ball farther than he was that week, including Matt Wolfe. So there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of. You know, lot more to it than just getting as strong as you possibly can and hitting the ball as far as possible, like a long drive contest guy. There's so much to his game that he's improved. That's also really good.

So with that, like, do you as someone who, again, has won the masters, you know Augusta National, there seems to be this building narrative that there's an asteroid is about to descend upon Augusta National. And can they do something to save the world? Like, do you get the feeling that that's coming towards Augusta and that they're doing anything about it? Yeah, well, first of all, it's very interesting for me to see the posturing amongst these players because there could even be some kind of a rider cup thing going on, you know, with JT backing up Bryson and you've got the Englishman in Fitzpatrick and we'll have to see if some of those other guys over there in Europe back him up.

So that's also like another side action to keep your eye on, which is kind of clear. That's very true. I can't wait for the moment that Bryson and Fitz around the same tee box. that like a rider cup and Bryson hits the ball 500 yards further than him and just goes like oh like with the big doggy like something about skill like oh was that skillful there fits he or something crazy you know that's coming yeah we need to get that uh singles match scheduled now already for the sunday of the rider cup yeah so that's something interesting to watch as far as his whole game is concerned look there's no doubt about it he has started to improve in every aspect the putting

is the big thing. He is improved dramatically on the greens. You look at last season, he was taint in strokes gained putting, which is when you've got the weapon that he has off the T and then you're backing it up on the greens like that, that's why the guy had as dominant of a year as he did. The thing about Bryson is he's just going to keep coming.

He's in that zone, that part of his life right now where he's young, he's enthusiastic, he has zero distractions, he's just 100% golf 24 hours a day. That is the only thing that consumes him is how he's going to get bigger, stronger, faster, better, win more. It's his whole life. And so he's right in that sweet spot right now where he's really going to start to improve and start to realize how much potential he has. So that's why it's kind of fun to watch.

As far as Augusta National goes, that is going to be very interesting to see. Because, you know, if you just play the course through your mind knowing that this guy's flying at 320, 3.30, 340, there could be some short irons into some of the holes. And now he's talking about taking a month off and bringing in a 48-inch driver. He thinks that this 48-inch driver,

inch driver is going to give him 200 ball speed average. So if he finds a way to bring in a 48 inch driver and he can keep it on the planet, then we could really start to have some fun. So yeah, I mean, I'm counting down the sleeps to see what he does.

The whole thing is just... He's a cartoon character. He is a cartoon character. It's like he got this evil villain in his layer, like, constructing a 48-inch driver and people are running around Augustin-Azor, like, sirens are going off, like, whee, he's bringing a 48-degree. It's going to be interesting.

Like, I've listened to a bunch of, like, military history podcasts, and I just get obsessed with that stuff. I find it fascinating. Reminds me, like, the early 1900s when the British had spent centuries building just the best Navy of wooden ships ever. and then all of a sudden other people just had steel ships and it was just over like it didn't they just could go right through them and just destroy all of it didn't matter that's bryson he's just like a giant steel ship coming for augustin national and it's the best storyline of the history of golf

in Vegas he's just there's 380 yard par fours they're like oh yeah 50,000 t-shots have been hit on this hole no one's ever driven the green and he just did it back-to-back days and made even no he didn't he didn't win the tournament he had had like a shit start, you know, on Saturday, I believe it was, it was, it was third round, didn't win. But this, have you ever, like, does this almost remind you of when Tiger came along and there was all this talk of tiger-proofing? Like, I can't remember a storyline like this where someone has built a golf game that

the world of golf is just afraid of. Yeah. You know, in all the years, 35, 30 years or so that I've been paying attention to golf, I've seen it twice. So with John Daly, when he came on the scene. in, when was it like 91 when he won at Crooked Stick, the PGA Championship, and just pitched up there as an alternate. Nick Price had to withdraw, got in as an alternate, drove overnight,

and just came in there and destroyed everybody. That was the one time that I can really remember. And then in 97, when Tiger pitches up at Augusta, and all of a sudden is hitting wedges and adions into those par fives. What remains to be seen, though, with Bryson, I think this is one of the things that he's really focusing on leading up to this tournament is, you know, Augustine National is very much about distance control on your approach shots. And that is going to be, I think, what is either going to make or break the week for him.

Because the little plateaus that you've got to keep the ball in, sometimes you've really only got three or four yards to land the ball in, if you want to keep it on the correct plateau, to have a real makeable bodey putt. And so the distance control, if you just think through the years, all the players that have won there, there's so many great iron players. You think of not guys that have necessarily destroyed that course with the driver.

I mean, you can think about the speed. You can think about Diela Tharball, Zach Johnson. You can go down the list, Faldo. These are the players that were so good with the approach shots, and they're able to nestle a ball into the right areas to where they had left themselves uphill puts or makeable. puts. That's the thing that I think will stand between him and winning a green jacket. And if he could pull that off, he's going to be very, very hard to be. Talk to me more about that, like, that idea

of how, you know, why at Augusta National? And I know it's about the Greens. But why, like, what specifically is it about Augusta National that makes the iron play so much more important? Like, was that something that you going into it, into the masters, would work on more than other things, is that you have that precise distance. I'm thinking about like the third green, for example, which some guys will hit driver down there. Some guys will hit an iron. If you miss that green with a wedge or short iron hand by a yard, either way, you're screwed. And if you get it perfectly, you can funnel it towards the whole. Like, how do you, how much emphasis did you put on that going into preparing for the master? Yeah. Well, when I started,

was playing at Augusta, really nobody would hit Driver at the third. Everybody would just lay back just short of the bunkers and then go with some kind of wedge or nine-nine. Actually, I actually have a pretty cool story real quick, just talking about the third hole. Gary Player tells a great story about playing Augusta National and being at a champion's dinner way back. He was trying to figure out in his mind, you know, playing the course. I can birdie every hole, but I struggle to birdie the third. So at the Champions, then he went up to Bobby Jones and he said to him, Mr. Jones, I have a question

for you, I'm really having trouble birding the third hole. Do you have any advice for me? And he kind of thought for a second and he looked up at Gary and he was like, you're not supposed to birdie the third hole, Gary. You know, it's a hole where you just put it out there

to 20 or 30 feet and you two butt and move on to the next hole. And so that's one of the cool stories that Gary always tells. But, you know, with regards iron play, the reason that it's so tricky with the distance control is very rarely at Augusta National will you have a dead flat lie from a fair way.

You're always going to be a little bit of a side hill, maybe a little uphill, a little downhill. That's the first thing. Second thing is if you're coming from that first cut or not, it's very difficult to judge if the ball is going to come out soft, or spinny, soft and spinny, or if it's going to jump a little bit. And then the third thing is if you get any kind of wind, you know, even if it's five miles

an hour, you start to throw these two or three things into the equation every time you have an iron shot, bearing in mind that you, at times, like I said, only have three or four yards to land a ball and if you want to keep it close, it just, it starts to wear on you. and it just starts to heap the pressure on you to where it costs a little bit of doubt in your mind every now and then. The other thing, just thinking through the course, is the elevation change. You get to a hole, even the first hole you're hitting uphill a little bit. You get to the par three, sixth hole. You're hitting downhill, seven or eight yards.

Seven, you're hitting back uphill. Nine, you're hitting uphill. Ten downhill. So that's just another thing you have to throw into the equation there. And so doing the math, I'm trying to figure out exactly how the ball's going to come out and how it's going to react. You know, that's the key to that place. There's no doubt about it. This interview was brought to you by our very good friends at dude wipes. Dudewipes are the original flushable wipes for guys.

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sort of relief and I remember once that I literally reached into my golf bag to maybe look for some like sunscreen and I knew I smelled the whole thing and I found dude wipes in there and it was like it was like God had put them in there as I was reaching it because then you just have a shower underneath your armpits like you just mouth bleed you smell good Dudewitch is a product that people usually don't get until after the bad thing happened. And so what we advise you to do is get in front of the risk. You get in front of the risk, then you're prepared. Well, the poopy stuff for sure. You need them on you.

I'm talking about the shower ones. The poopy stuff, you don't, you don't ever want to get shower too, though. Shower too, though. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. No, but you need, you got to get those beforehand too. Yeah. If you're gross and you don't have many options to become ungrossed. Right.

you don't have the product to become ungrossed, then you'll just remain gross. You just don't want to be in a shitty situation, and you don't have the right tools. Like, there's nothing worse. Sometimes it just hits you. Lately, red meat's been running right through me. I don't know.

Is that a what's up, Doc? I eat a burger. I got to take a shit two minutes later. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I would say. That's gross, Frankie. Frankie, are you a guy?

I hear the question. Are you a guy that as soon as you see that it's clean, you're done wiping? Or do you give any courtesy checks? It's getting real personal. I need a couple extra towels. I'm not a one-tow pome. I want a few just to make sure. Oh, no.

I'll do a dune wipe. I'll wipe it. I'll make sure it's all good because I've also said you can't attack moist with dry. You got to go, you got to go at it. You got to clean it all up like you clean in a dirty table. and then you dry it off with a dry, you got to go back, like you're saying, and check and make sure everything's good.

You can't just leave with just the... You need to do two wipes. That second white needs to come in. You can't get all the damage with one. The best part about this is that it's in the middle of a Trevor Immelman, that's the best part. Oh, shit, yeah. No, it's great.

I enjoy it. But I do... I think that the dude wipes, I like... I like attacking, like you said, Frankie. You can't attack like dry with dry. You got to have, and the dude wipes accomplishes that. But I don't then go, I'm not going to go through the extra process of then drying it after.

Like that little bit of, that's fine down there after you're, and you're ready to rock. Anyways, anyways, you can, you can pick this stuff up at Amazon, Walmart, Mariano's, Jewel, Meyer. Use the code Riggs20 at dude products.com. You're going to get 20% off all dude products. That is dude products. dot com code is rigs 20 for 20% off now we're going to go back to our buddy trevor embleman which is which is amazing god i'm getting so excited to talking about a guff so excited like it's it hadn't really set in that the masters is in our near future and that we're going to have

two masters in the next what like five six months which is just outrageous but you know talking about the course and the holes the 12th hole like Last year we saw in 2019 pretty much determined the masters. We saw whatever it was, four or five guys out of the last six that were all right in the mix of the tournament hit it in the water there. Tiger hits it, you know, 40 feet left and makes par and catches up a couple of strokes on folks. What is it about the 12th that is just so treacherous that the best players in the world

with nine irons in their hand are hitting it, you know, so short that they're in, you know, that they're in and not been raised. freak. Again, they all would tell you that with a nine iron in their hands, they're pretty much trying to hit it inside 20, 15 feet consistently. Yeah, it's such a brilliantly designed hole. You know, from back T to the front left edge, it's probably only about 130 yards. But the beauty about it is the green sits at a little bit of an angle. And then you've got that front bunker and you've got raised creek and then you've got the two bunkers in the back.

And so when they start moving the flag, you know, from left to right on that green, the carry starts getting longer. So now you have to make a very clear decision. Okay, if I'm going to go 155 or 60 yards

and I'm going to go at that backright flag, which is the one we saw those guys go for on that Sunday, at that point, you better commit to that because if you pull it at all, going to go long left, sometimes even into the pine straw through the green. And so you've got to be very committed to what distance you're going for and then match the line to that. And it just sort of starts to play with guys' minds. And a lot of times you get up there and you feel like you've got a

perfect number or you decided that you're going to go to the middle left of the green. There's no wind blowing and you push it out there. You know, in your mind you just want to go toward the flag because you've only got an eight or a nine iron. And next thing, you see it land on the edge of the green, a little bit of spin, comes down the bank in the water. I mean, everybody has done it. It's just such a perfectly designed hole. It's probably my favorite part three that I've ever played

because the distance of the hole, the angle that the green sits at. And I've always thought shorter part three is the best when you can hit some type of like eight, nine or wedge and you're putting a lot of spin on the ball. Because as soon as you're putting a lot of spin on the ball and then you get the variance of wind, that's when you can see the ball spin up or balloon into the air

or maybe fight through one if you're trying to knock one down a little bit and it puts a heavy premium on the distance control. So you always get a big story there. Remember a few years ago, Jordan Spieth had a pretty big lead and blew up there on 12. and then last year, I mean, that was like a dominant moment watching Tiger Woods. It was like, here's this guy. You know, I have an amazing amount of respect for him.

If he's not the greatest player of all time, he's the second greatest player of all time. We've got one A and one B with him and Jack Nicholas. And he's got these guys that he's playing with. He's the man at Augusta National right now, and they're faltering. I don't know. And he just puts this, like somebody had rolled the clock back to the year 2000. He just seemed like so powerful again in that moment.

I had, from that moment on, I had no doubt that he was going to win that tournament. He was sending them a very, very clear message that he was in control. We lost you for a second there. I think it's because you called Tiger Woods 1B on this podcast. Once you said it, once you said it, your connection just fucking dropped. It was like, it was like the blink of an eye.

Frankie, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. You know, I've got to give Jack a lot of respect. You do, right? But like, we always have these debates in sports. They're fun to have. Like right now, the hot topic is LeBron James versus Michael Jordan. And like one guy has more longevity of winning.

He's been to more championships than the other. So obviously, like, when you're at more, you're at more, lose, but, like, for me, it's like, when you're watching these guys at their prime, who was better? And I know it's probably a hard decision between Jack and Tiger, but, like, for me, like, our age group, you have to go with the guy that, you know, he changed the game for us. He changed golf forever. And it's, I just, you have to pick Tiger Woods. We talk about, like, his stretch of his top golf, it can't be beat, right?

So I don't know how you can not say that at the time he was the best, not the best of all that. Best career, Jack, yes. Best player? Like, who do you think is the best player of the game of golf? Do you not definitively say? No, I can't. Wow. I really can't. And I do agree with you 100% that Tiger changed the game. And, I mean, I've told people, you know, somewhat jokingly, somewhat serious. My children will send him a birthday card and a Christmas card every year, you know, for the rest of his life because without him, there's no way that I would have been able to get out of the game what I did while, you know, playing when he was at his best. And so I have an amazing appreciation for that and respect for that. But also if Jack and Arnie and Gary and guys like that didn't

take the game to where it was, Tiger wouldn't have been able to pick up the ball and run from there as well. So, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a It's a great debate. But Jack, man, when you look at that guy's record from top to bottom, not just the wins, the wins worldwide. The second place finishes and majors. The second place finishes for me. The second place finishes for me really opened my eyes.

When Riggs interviewed him and, what was it, 19 second place finishes. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. That's not 19 top five. That's 19 second place finishes. It's outrageous. We also like,

It is. We're jaded because we didn't witness any of it. Like, it was all before we were born. So for us, it's like, yeah, we heard that Jack guy was great. But have you seen Tyrellwood? What are we talking about here? So we're definitely jaded because of that. But it is a debate that will happen forever unless our guy, you know, wins three or four more majors.

We might have a. What do you think? Do you think he can do it? Yeah, of course. I think he can do it. Of course. I think, Frankie, you don't need to answer this because you think he's going to win the next four in a row, right?

Well, like, you want to think that he can. You want to think that he will. It's just like the guy's not playing in a fucking golf right now. Like, he's just showing up to mate. It's like, if he does do it, it would be the most impressive thing he's done in his career yet, I think, to be able to take this much time off, to have that much of a stress between winning. I mean, him winning the Masters was felt like a miracle at that time. All that stuff had to happen like we just talked about on 12, 13, you know, that stuff.

So, like, I think that has to happen every year. Like a miracle needs to happen every year he wins. And he's also Tiger Woods and miracles happen to him on the golf court. Correct. What I was going to say, too, is he, like, when he did win the Masters, that was the third major in a row where he was right in the mix, where he at Cardooste, had the solo lead on the back nine. At Belle Reeve, he was right there and made an absolute charge on Sunday.

So, like, and then he, like you're saying, after he won the Masters last year, it seemed like he fizzled off where he's never going to even compete ever again and then he wins in Japan and then he's the best player at the President's Cup. So it was like he's very confusing, I feel like, over the last year since he won the match. I think the difference is, you know, when he was really in his prime, if he played his best, there was no question he was going to win. Just no question. There was nobody could beat him. The scary part was he didn't have to play. He didn't have to play his best and he could still win. And that was what, you know, was kind of mind-blowing for everybody else that was playing their best golf at that time. But now we've got six or seven

guys that are really, really, really good. And they're at the top of their game in their mid to late 20s. So for him to win right now, he's going to have to have a few things go right. Number one, he's going to have to be feeling great that week and things are going to have to go his way. and then he's also going to need those five or six other guys to not have their best week. And so that's why it's a bit more of a long shot. In my mind, if there's any way he can do it, it's Augusta National. But, you know, he's going to have a few things go his way for him to beat all of those guys and have his best week. That's like we've kind of been saying and veering a little bit more towards Tiger just play the Masters every year.

Like just play the Masters until you're 70. And all we got to do, we just got to win three or four of them over the next 30 years, and we'll be fine. Because I feel like he can win there any year. And even in some of the years where he was unhealthy and bad things were going on, he was still finishing in the top five. He was still competing at the Masters. So that gives me hope.

But it is, like depending on the month and what happened the last time, saw him play. My answer to that question changes dramatically because sometimes he just shows up and it's the best player in the world again. You're like, oh yeah, of course he's going to win a couple more majors and other times. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, he's done so many things that I can't really even believe. For all we know, he pitches up at Zozo and shoots 465s and we're like, oh, he's the favorite. Go-Gue to Getsa. So, you know, that's the kind of stuff that he does. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever count him out. I can never. Because I've just seen him do so, much incredible stuff. It's so many shots that you just like, how on earth does he done that

under the most intense pressure that if he's there, I know he's feeling okay for the most part. Might not be feeling 100%, but he's feeling okay. And, you know, he has the ability to surprise all of us. Well, for the record, we will not count him out either. Not on this show. You won't hear that come from these people. But we, we, we. We really appreciate it. We appreciate the time. What have you been doing with this time off? What have you been doing with this time?

You know, two weeks. What are you doing other than playing golf and relaxing? Well, I've been, shucks, I've been working, doing a lot of TV. Just came in from Vegas. I was out there walking the fairways with those guys last week. What a tournament that turned out to be. Just birdies all over the place. Incredibly exciting Sunday there.

saw a couple of the greatest short game shots I think I've ever seen in my life from Martin Flair's. The plugged bunker shot on number nine. I mean, that is just, that ball, you could only see like probably 10 dimples on the golf ball. That's how plugged this thing on.

And he's gone in there, and I was like, God, this guy's got to have to watch out. He could hit this, hit the lip, come back, and hit him. I mean, there could be like, you know memes for days on this thing you know and uh he smashed this thing and it comes out perfect it rolls in the hole like a put and i'm like what just happened so he eagled that hole three days out of the four and then three put 16 gets to 17 hits it way right off of the cart path

he's got no shot he's got a tree in front of him he's got a bunker water has it on the other side of the green. Downhill lie out of the rough. He looked like Riggs doing the daily nine, you know, one of these terrible lies. And he hits the shot. He hits the shot that scuttles through there to about 15 feet and makes the putt.

It's really, really cool stuff. And for him to birdie that second playoff hole and get the win, that was fun to see, you know. Golf throws up so many cool stories. He has a guy who's 37 years old. he's getting ready to come back after the you know when golf started up again does something to his knee ends up having to have the knee surgery misses that whole return to golf and then only starts on the new season hadn't played very well and then all of gets an invite last week and then wins the tournament

it's uh man what a crazy game imagine making a living playing playing golf. Imagine making a living playing golf. No, I can't. I can't. I was on like the 13th hole the other day. I was playing just a local golf course. And I literally, I de-green. And I looked at everyone and I said, why the fuck do we play this sport? And I can't imagine. Like, why, like, why are we out here? There's so many better things we can be doing with our time. Like, I now have to walk off the green. I got to go to my cart, get a wedge. I was just putting 10 seconds ago. Now I got to go get a way I've got to hit. Like, this is stupid. It's like it's actually feel like someone, I did something wrong and someone's like, go do this activity and you have to now hate yourself for the next five.

But I can't imagine like living and dying. Yeah, it's punishment. I can't imagine getting to a point where you're so good that like shooting even par or even like three under four under is just not good enough. Like it's, you guys play at such a level where I can't even wrap my head around having to perform that sport day in and day out, Thursday through Sunday at a level where you have to win to put food on the table. Like what you're saying? Like guys have to get invitations. They've got to make cuts, Monday qualifiers.

It is, it has to be the hardest sport to make the money at, right? Like, I know baseball, they say it's like the hardest professional sport. But like, but there's no contracts. Everyone plays golf. There's no contract. Everyone plays golf in the world. We all think that we're good. And then you have to be the best of that.

Yeah. The big difference is like baseball, obviously, once you make it to the big league, I'm not saying that's easy. It's obviously brutally different. and these amazing athletes best of the best. But once you get there, it's guaranteed money. And the other thing that I find with team sports, and obviously I have advantages and disadvantages in both.

But let's say, for instance, we've been watching the NBA here. If LeBron has an off night, he's sending it to AD. And you've got another Hall of Fame player right there that maybe he's having a good night. Or you've got another player on the team that's having a hot night. In golf, you just don't have that ability. And so you look at last week, courses, not one of the harder courses on tour.

Conditions were perfect, but still, it cut seven under. And so you can go out and shoot six under for two days, and you're not making any money. It's just crazy. Oh, that's good performance. I mean, imagine that. shoot six under you've got a guy like morikawa right one of the best players in the world one of the hottest players in the world he shoots six under packing his bag he's out of there on friday night that's outrageous that's crazy it's just it drives you nuts man it drives you nuts man it drives

you nuts so you got a couple weeks off here what are you going to do like to pass the time i'll play a little golf i'll play a little golf my son is 14 and he really loves the game and plays a lot and so I'll I'll go and play with him a little bit and hang out and Just take it easy. It's been a pretty long run really we started in in mid-June and I've been traveling almost Almost every week since then so for it nice to have a couple weeks off here at home Weather starting to get a little better in Florida not quite as hot and So just chill out out a little bit. It'd be nice.

We were sitting around the dinner table the other night and we were asking, and I want to get your take, what is, and this is so random, what would your last meal on Earth be? If you were like on death row and they're like, you get one choice right now. Like tomorrow night,

if that was your last night on Earth, like I don't want to be really like morbid, but like what do you choosing to eat? Okay, so in South Africa, like what you guys would call barbecue or grilling We call it a bri. All right.

And so what we do is we'll build like a big fire. And then you obviously let that burn down. And then once you've got all the coals and stuff ready, and then we grill meat on top of that. And we call it a bri. And so that's just such a huge part of the South African culture. And so that's what I would go for. you know back there back home it's very outdoorsy people always outside in sports and hanging out

and you know it's like a big social gathering you know all your buddies come over and you pull these massive fires and you you know have a few drinks while the fire's burning out and you start putting some meat on and get all the sides going so that would be my last meal what do you drink it with it drinking like a Coca-Cola or like a beer like what do you enjoying the most no I'm probably going to be red wine bourbon somewhere in there

man right there classy Frankie's like Coca-cola yeah I know where can I go there could I get a Coca-Cola with some ice please Trent and I Trent and I did one

we did a bribe with Gary Player at Augusta a couple of years ago. That was the only bribe we've ever been to. And it was... You've done it. Yeah. It was awesome. Is it good? Like, it was a barbecue on steroids. Like, it was just,

it was an all-out, you know, it was nice, it was classy. There was, what, like a pig roast going on, Trent? And it was just on the spit. And the whole thing was next level barbecue. And we had a great time. So we're one for one. South African brand.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll do, I mean, chicken, lamb chops, ribs, steaks, sausage. We'll do anything. South Africans will cook anything on an open fire, anything. It's so good. But next time you guys are down this way, we'll do it for sure. Oh, I love that. Yeah, for sure.

That'd be excellent. All right, Trevor, I know we kept you longer than we said. We do that every time. But you've been great. You've been great on the coverage. Keep up the awesome work. I know you got a couple weeks off, like you said. So you deserve it.

And we'll, we look forward to seeing you back out there talking some golf. Yeah, thanks so much, guys. As always, love hanging out. Thanks, man. You'll be well. All right. Thanks, Trevor. You do well.

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what do you guys do in here? I love his voice. I love everything about his vibe. He has a very good sense of humor. I have always noticed that he'll comment on all our stuff. Like the other day I had a video where the fucking cab driver was laughing in my face about me being a pizza review again. And he commented like, this is so good. I could just see him sitting back laughing like his ass off just typing away.

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He said something in that interview about Bryson that I thought was funny that has now become a low-key insult to Bryson D. Chambot. And it's when people say he has no distractions. Bryson has no distractions. He says literally no distractions. What they might as well be saying is he has no girlfriend. He has nothing else going on in his life. If you listen to people talk about Bryson D. Chambot and the way he's transformed his body,

at some point they will say no distractions. And it's actually a kind of mean thing to say. Yeah. It's like when people say, about Dustin Johnson, like, no, he keeps it really simple out there. He doesn't really let much get to him. It's like, well, you're saying he's a fucking idiot. That's what I'm saying.

You can just kind of come out. I think kids and like a lot of guys have said, like, you know, I just don't have the time to really devote 20 hours a day to like a swing and like my, it's like, well, like he does. So what is he doing differently? It's just that that's all he does. It really seems like they're saying, I got, I, I'm mixing enough. a vagina every now and again.

That's what I do. And Bryson's just out there taking swings and drinking protein shakes. That's what it sounds like to me. You gotta be fucking revolution. Like Tiger Woods was one of the weirdest fucking guys of all time coming up. You gotta be, you gotta have something almost wrong with you to be able to change the game. No, and that. And that is the overall point that they're essentially saying is like he is the only guy

who is willing to commit this much time and effort into something that he is able to that changed the way the game is played. But it's just funny, it's a funny way to put it. Bryson DeCambeau is changing golf. We just talked with Trevor Imelman about how Tiger did it and how Jack did it with, you know, his career that he came up with too. But Bryce, like, in 40 years, are we going to look back on, like, this was the Bryce and Deschambeau era? And people aren't going to believe that guys started hitting the ball 370 yards, hitting greens.

Like, like, no problem. Like, it's a wedge. I think, yeah, in 70 years, I think it'll be a known. like spike in the in the graph of golf and that spike is something that is a such a memorable you know monumental moment in golf and that's like oh that bryson de chambre that's when that that guy came along and beefed up like an absolute psychopath and started driving greens that are 38 yards like that will absolutely be a monumental point golf especially because I think that at some point they're going to try to dial everything back like I think just from sustainability standpoint

they have to. Like, there's not enough earth on, or there's not enough, like, physical earth to just keep building off courses longer, longer, longer, forever. Just like, at some point, they're going to have to rein it in. And it'll be remembered, because I don't think people are going to be able to hit it this far forever. It'll be remembered that this guy came along, did this. And then it just worked. Like, he won the U.S. Open at Wingfoot. He made, he laughed at Wingfoot. Like, he shot six under at Wingfoot. Do you think he has to win more to keep his mark or make his mark? on history or do you think he's already achieved it?

The coolest thing in the world is that Augusta is going to be sort of the mark for that because if he does go and embarrass Augusta National, this becomes like an unignorable thing that happened to golf. It becomes an era. Also, like the USGA and the RNA

just released their distance report, which came out in like January of February this year. And where it's been before that is like DJ and Rory and guys hitting. it like slightly longer but not like absurdly longer. Now this guy comes and he's just hitting it miles further than them and he's got a 60 degree wedge into most greens. It's absurd. So where this game goes is going to be so, so interesting, but I don't know. You don't have to get into a distance argument,

but like can't they just leave the golf courses where they're at and let this let a guy who's just better than everyone win? Totally. They could totally do that. Why do they have to dial things back? I know there's not enough land and all that stuff like what like I like can't they don't leave it but the but the the the reason in the argument is like is in yeah in hockey if you just if you just had like one guy on your team who just could get way stronger than everyone else and then he just would win every game and you'd win the Stanley Cup like that would take all of the skill out of coaching and power plays and like neutral zone traps and the strategy involved. And like that comparison is never going to work

because obviously it's a single, it's an individual sport versus team sport. But the point is that like hockey, people that love the game, it would take a lot of the enjoyment out of watching it because there's no fun strategy to it. There's no point in like building out a complete team with a power forward mixed with a couple skill guys

and a smaller fact. Because if you just have the gigantic strong guy, you're just win. So it doesn't matter. And that's to a degree in golf. It's like if we don't change something, then just hitting driver wedge into every hole is not the shot value that world-class golf is built on. Like being able to shape, you know, a long iron and then the next hole hit a short iron. And then the next hole, you know, you got to hit three iron off the T.

Like that's sort of historically what everyone believes golf is supposed to sort of celebrate and highlight. And if you come a Glong and all you have to do is just hit the ball. ball super far and you're going to have wedges in and none of that other stuff's going to matter, that I think that takes a lot of the beauty of the game away from people. Like, Bryson isn't up there being like, all right, I guess I'll hit four iron short of those really bad bunkers and then have a midiron in and try to stop one on the right ledge. He's just blasting driver way over all those bunkers. And that sort of takes all of the other stuff out of the game, which I think in a lot of

people's minds suck. Like right now I enjoy it. but if we get to a point where everyone on tour is doing that, then it's like 90% of the golf course is completely obsolete. It just doesn't matter. Right. And I think that that's kind of sucks. That's a good point.

Yeah. I was going to say, like, what's the difference if one or two guys come along and do it and just dominate? That's just, they're just physically and better. But, like, it is true in 100 years that that just becomes the norm,

then, like, it becomes, like, pitch and put for everyone. So. Right. Like, the 13th hole in Augusta is such a good example. Like, if Bryson just hits it over those trees and,

it's a pitching wedge into that green. Well, that takes away the entire beauty of everyone loving that you try to hit a draw through those trees out there. And if you do a good job, then you have a hanging lie where the ball, or you have a hook lie where the ball's way above your feet. And you have to make a decision from like with a, you know, five, six, seven iron, four iron, something like that, like a longer iron into this green with Ray's Creek from a hook line.

You've got to try to hit it into that hill. And if you hang it out to the right, you're in the water. like that takes all that out because he's just hitting a fucking pitching one green so I think on some level it is defensible but like you're saying right you're like you're never going to be able to combat the evolution of an entire game so it's like yeah no I'm just thinking now it's like you just create like a par three course that's literally like one hole's like 3 30 where he can take advantage of his drive and then the other one's like 222 so he has to hit some sort of on here into the green and you just you just make it 18 holes

with that. You just take the drive out of play. I just don't know, like, is there any sport that's going to be even similar to what will happen if they dial back the driver and, like, the balls because of what Bryce and Deschambeau is doing? Like, I guess maybe, like, baseball?

Baseball, they just don't allow bat, you know, like metal bats, right? Right, and I guess they change the ball and, like, they juice the ball and they put the dead ball air and all that stuff. I guess baseball is pretty similar. like football doesn't like do anything like because of one player like it'll change the ball like hockey just like games that it's a player versus a like a piece of land it's player

versus player which mitigates that where baseball has the same effect it's because it's player versus the distance that he's playing in terms of if he has a cork bat he can just hit it out of the out of the yard so also the only comparison of it's like player versus land all right so like basketball started with no dunking and like no three point shots right and like why don't they move like now a guy like lebron james has been in the last like a thousand championships and before that it was colby brown before that was michael dordan like one player dominates the NBA every decade like why don't they like try and make it more fair for everyone and like and like raise the rim to like 14 feet like it's like guys can't dominate like you have to learn like right like i would love

that i'm in on raising the rim than 14 feet like raise the room I think they might have done that to Kareem when he was in college. I think they might have outlawed dunking because of him, but then they brought it back. Okay, so that's what I was asking. Has they ever done something in a sport because one person was dominating it too much? I know that when they dial it back, it's not going to be just because of just Bryson, but like it may be just because of Bryson. Well, you see that he's affecting even his peers.

Like just this weekend, Dustin Johnson was hitting balls as hard as he could on the driving range. And like, that's him trying to compete with people. Bryson. So he is, it's not just one guy. It's, it's, if he's already changing his peers, just imagine what it's going to do to guys coming up. Yeah, I mean, Tony Fienow did it where he was, you know, lengthening his swing and hitting these bombs out there. Rory put a video out last week where he reached 191 or 192 mile an hour ball speed. So like, he is, he's affecting everyone. But I, you know, it is a lot larger issue that's, that's sort of culminating. And Bryson's become the face of it because he's such an extreme personality.

He just goes so far all in on these things that ultimately even, like, I think, I think another aim and lynch piece was how the best thing that can happen for people that are on the distance debate that are rooting for golf to dial the bag is for Bryson to just dominate the masters because then it'll leave in people's minds like, okay, we have to do something about this because of all the reasons we love Bryson, which is that traditionalists in golf hate him. They cannot stand the fact that he's doing what he's doing. they think he's ruining this this cherishable game forever for a lot of the reasons that i sort described earlier i'm kind of caught in between on that because i want to protect like certain

shot values and stuff too but i also like you can't just you can't just rip like skill and and abilities that someone built away from them because you don't like the fact that it makes your golf course absolutely like this is he's just doing the best imaginable and the most sort of maximizing the value out of what he can actually control and you guys just don't like it. And so there's on both, I see both sides and it's

something's going to happen, but clearly not before Augusta. So if he does go there and he just is bombing drives all over the place and hitting little flip wedges into this this storied iconic golf course, it's going to be, it's going to be very funny. It's almost like Nadal. Like if he like if he like

if he came around and he was just the best server of a tennis ball and no one could return his serve and they just like made the courts bigger so that guys had more reaction time to like that would be the most outrageous thing of all time like what do you mean like he's just better than everyone he's hitting it on the lines like he's perfect and like you're not going to let they're not like they're not going to let bryson be an all time great because his skill makes them mad but meanwhile tiger woods can be an all time great because he did it the way that they like it that drives me crazy. Like the more we talk about it,

Bryce is, but even then the fuck he wants. It would still have some, like somebody else has the ability to impact his serve. So it's still slightly different. Now, if someone did come around, and this was like America's last hope was Isner,

who's not the player that people thought potentially, but he did elevate to like a top 20 player. He hits serves that are absolute bombs, but then he's got no return game because he's like 6-11. And so, you know, players would, as long as they got a couple balls back and broke them once, like they would eventually, usually win the set.

And it is a slight different because, like, somebody else has the ability to change the way that you're playing because you're playing against someone. Like, you brought up LeBron James. Like, you have the ability to put in, like, a zone defense to guard against LeBron James so he can't drive. You know, and that's like the courses basically putting in bunkering or guarding every green with water so you can't drive it.

And obviously that comes at like an outrageous expense. So I don't really fully know. Maybe you need the Bass Pro Shops guy to create like another golf course and spend like a bajillion dollars. I'll talk to him. Because like I don't, with a distance debate, I don't know what you do. Like these, you know, like transitional players come in

and they basically like Tiger even when he first started, he was bombing it way past everybody. And there's all these famous quotes of people like, oh, I had three wood, he had seven iron in. Like, I just can't compete for that. And so it is going to be interesting how the world of golf changes. And yes, people are going to freak if pricing comes into this year's master, and it wins it by 15 strokes.

It's like it's not the guy they want to win on one side of the coin that I think, like, people are hiding. And the other side is they don't like the distance. And it's just. Yeah, it just sucks at his thing and like his rise to the top is so controversial. the part that, like, they may change the game, like, because of this. That's just that. There was, like, Tiger proofing, right?

Like, after Tiger won the matches by 12 shots in 97, like, Augusta planted a bunch of trees and lengthen the course a ridiculous amount, literally to try to stop Tiger Woods from just embarrassing their golf course. So, like, it's not unprecedented. I don't think also, like, I don't think that any move that is made in the next six months or a year by golf scovering bodies is that. is only Bryson Deschambeau's doing? Like this is something like Lurch said,

they released a distance report six months ago, eight months ago, before Bryson had even bulked up and come on to the world stage with his ridiculous new golf game. I just think that he's going to significantly expedite the process because they're going, oh, shit. And I think that he will forever be remembered as the poster boy for this entire era, even though, like you said, like at the U.S. Open,

and he wasn't the longest hitter. Like he's, most tournaments, he doesn't necessarily have the longest driving distance. But, like, I do think he can hit it far as anyone else when he really gets crazy. And he does at times, he has had tournaments where he dominates a driving distance. He's had these par force where he's just embarrassing, like a 380 yard hole for, like, that is, that is a pretty good drive. And then, like, a nine iron or a pitching wedge maybe for me a lot of the time, that's if I hit a really solid drive. Like, Bryson drove the green.

I was thinking about the Shriners. It's 381, and he just put it on the green. It's like, if I had the best drive in my life, I've got 100 yards in. Yeah. Like, if I hit a really good drive, I'm still got 100 yards. And so to a point, like, back to Fitsy's Quo, which we talked about, it's like, after a while and you're just thinking like, because in that pro mindset, I think that they truly believe no one can beat them.

But then you see something like that, and I just be like, well, I just, I'm never, I obviously can't beat that guy. And also, like, that 100 yards in that I have is also feathered right between two fairway bunkers that, like, most likely I'm in one of those bunkers. And I have, like, a 107-yard bunker shot that I just can't hit. So I'll, you know, chunk that and then blade one to the back of the green and, like, try the two-putt for boge. And I'm like, yeah, that was a decent hole. He just drove the green.

Like, he just stood up and hit it onto the green. It's so ridiculous when you think about that. It just doesn't, it's just a different game. He's playing a completely different game. The NCAA, by the way, they did ban dunking because of Kareem before the 67. Yeah, Jake sent us this. He said the NCAA banned the slam before the 1960s, 7, 68 college season for a couple of reasons.

In the organization's words, the dunk was not a skillful shot. While the NCAA never admitted it explicitly, many speculated the NCAA enacted the ban because of UCLA's. Lou Alson Dore, which is Kareemadul-Jubach. But it's pretty crazy that they would just ban dunk it. That's actually a really good find, and it's a very similar, like, the fact of skit, like, just because you're taller and you can just slam it into the hoop, they're like, that's just not what we're doing here.

That's just not what we're doing here. Like, you need to be able to shoot it into the hoop. You can't just walk over and place it into the hoop. Right. So maybe we just have, like, another 25 years before we get this. thing right because maybe they'll do something that's like totally crazy to bryson in the distance and then eventually they'll just allow it because obviously people are dunking to bet right that's how I was I say people are now just dunking and that's like the way the game evolves so like but the only

argument is that they can't evolve golf the way that they just allowed that to happen the best well because of the whole the social fucking and the economy and the world and like like you're saying it's way too much money going into these courses not enough land the whole thing so They're not going to be able to do that. You're not going to be able to allow just people to learn how to hit like Bryson. You can't, I guess. I wish that they could be awesome.

Well, it's also the interesting part about it is that like none of what we're debating about affects any of us or 99.99% of us. It's like 15 people in the world. The rest of us, like we can't hit it far enough. I'm coming up to a 450 yard par four. Like, I can't get there.

It's like, what are you? Whereas Bryson's going driver, like, chip wedge into the green. It's like, I can't get there. So to me, it's like, courses are plenty of long, brother. Like, we got no issue out here. It's just, it affects these guys that ruin tournaments, like, for people that are watching. So it's just, I don't know.

It is a great point. If they have to play with, like, a tour ball or something like that, and I know we talked about that, the assholes are showing up. I can't make a great point because when the hardo shows up, it was like, no, we're only playing with tour balls. or something like that. It's like, no, dude, you just, just jump off, like, fall off a short bridge. Like, just put out of my sight.

God, I hope someone uses a toy ball in the pro game to save just hundreds of millions of dollars and, like, you know, renting out, like, the neighbor's yard so you can put a T-box there to stretch out these golf courses. It's like, maybe for the pro game, you do do something like that to allow it to be playable again, you know, because I don't care personally. It's like, if they're playing that way, great. Like, it's still going to be awesome to watch on TV, get some. spin around the greens the whole thing, if they can shorten up, then maybe that is the way

you go, because that is literally the only way to, like, make golf sustainable. I can't wait to play a match against Frankie, and then if I lose, be like, well, you're not using a pro ball. You could have 130 yards, Matt. How far would we all hit a tour ball? Boys today, I'm going to use a tour ball. It's got two red dots on it. Like, oh, okay.

All right. Oh, God. I'm looking for the opposite. I want something with a little juice in it. I remember we had those, who wasn't, Taylor-made guys on that we talked to? Bridgestone guys. Bridgestone guys.

The Big Tiger's ball. And they were, we were just like, wait, so you could just make a golf ball that just goes way farther? And they're like, well, yeah. We were like, well, can you just give us those golf balls? I'd pay $1,000 for a sleeve of those. Oh, my God. Dude, if you're a gimmick ball?

Could you imagine if they sold gimmick balls that as soon as you hit it, it went like as far as Bryceon? Just you just on the tee? Like, I don't know, I just feel good today. Bow! It's gone. That'd be awesome. They shouldn't still make those for us.

What would people say they found out the whole time you're using an insanely illegal golf ball? If you are a golf ball distributor, maybe you're like you work for some little fucking no-name company, just go into your little manufacturer. wind up a ball for us and let us just test it out. I want to see what an illegal golf ball looks like. I just want to take it to like a fucking field and just hit it. Is it like that much more? Can you make a golf ball so noticeably different that we can't use it in a match?

Like it's so, it's so unbelievably far and long that we can't, we can't use it. Like the gig would be up. Yeah, by the second hold, they're like, well, now wait a second. you know what we need this for? If we ever play Bryson in a four-man scramble, if we all had gimmick balls and we're putting it past him, it'd be the funniest thing in the world. Now, we have to play Bryson and a four-man scramble so bad.

God, it would be humiliating how much farther his ball would be. That's the one guy that I think we don't even have a chance against. Because every one of our shots aren't even close to his. Like us having four options against his one doesn't even come into play Because our four are so much I mean we're hitting we would hit the ball 250 yards He'd hit him 370 so like it's not even close Not even the same stratosphere

Dude it's crazy If you think of the third hole at Pinehurst He's like arriving at green Yeah Now Now he'd also like if he doesn't hit

if he doesn't hit it on the exact line though like he's in a really bad spot really bad spot but he's still like if you could drive it up around the green you would just do that obviously our short guarantee on what they are so when they say get in trouble it's like dude I'm in trouble every time I put my ball in the tee like so just like your trouble's different than my job

I'm in trouble when I booked that fucking tea time I'm in trouble I walk out of my walk out of my house someone should just fucking keep me in there just lock me right to the fucking police station dracon brison would be probably the most of you is we would get outside of like tiger without a doubt

we wouldn't be able to film them like the balls would go too far honestly it'd be a logistical nightmare trying to film that match like how do you like do send a crew with him does he walk ahead like his balls are so much further away he's never even next to us like it's like he's playing another

golf course. I'm already stressed out thinking about the production aspect. How big of a nightmare it would be? We'd have people yelling at each other, fighting each other. How'd you miss that one? The guys would be like, what do you mean? How to do you see where it fucking went? It's not even on profit.

Of course I missed it. Golly. All right, boys. Wow, this is just fun. Big thanks to Trevor Irleman joining the show. We've had enough. We're done here. We'll be back on Thursday, as always, for our second show of the week.

We got a bunch of guys are back this week. JT's playing. Brooks Kepka, I believe, is playing. I think it's DJ playing I saw. I think I saw DJ's playing. I'm not sure. I haven't looked at the full field, but we'll talk more about it on Thursday.

You guys ever watch Molly game yet? If you watch Molly's game? We'll watch it tonight. Okay. I'm just wondering if you get, I mean, I've given the suggestion for the last maybe seven months. I don't know.

What's it on? Netflix. That's hard to get. you guys watch the boys you watch the boys Trent hell yeah oh fuck you watch your boys rigs alert no no amazon tv oh fuck man i think i saw a tweet today if you're not watching the boys well maybe it's a hubs blogger if you're not watching the boys what the fuck are you doing like that is what do you watch have you watched have you have you watched a son of a woman yet oh jesus no i mean what are we doing here no but the boys

in terms from a cultural you know aspect that is it is now become the new show. And if you're not watching it, you're just not in on the conversations going around. I've never even heard of it. So it's on Amazon Prime. I was late to the game, but I call it up for this season, and I'm very glad I did because it was one of those shows where you can't miss an episode. Like you can't wait.

But now it's over. Like this season's over, but you couldn't wait until Friday. Like Thursday night and midnight, boom, you're fucking there. You're watching it. Couldn't wait. It's about superheroes in like a real 2020 world. So, like, they are, like, the celebrities. They have millions of followers in Instagram.

They're superheroes. They do bad things. Like, there's, like, sex in it killing. People get their faces ripped off. It's like if a, it's like in the year 2020, they were just superheroes flying around. Right. If they're integrated, they're in society.

They're just around. Like, at any moment, they could, like, accident out of the laser someone if someone just dies. Like, it's like, it's fucking crazy. And then, like, it's very fucking cool. And the writing in it is phenomenal. The way that they've been able to spin around. Like, not so much like the,

the talking and the dialogue, but like three seasons in or two seasons in, the fact that they've tied everything together, oh, fuck. All right, don't give it away because I'm going to watch. No, no, I would never. I'm going to watch you that. Yeah. Riggs, your boy, Alex Petrangelo, just signed with the

knights. Yeah. How do they have the money? How do they have the money? Honestly. What's going on? Why did I sound like Jerry Seinfeld? What's going on? What's going on? That was money. Look, I'd suck because he's our captain.

He won us a cup, but also, I mean, the right, everybody knew that was going to happen. And when we signed Tori Krug, who's the man, who I'm a huge fan of, it was like, we're going to be fine. You guys won a cup that doesn't matter. I told that. Also, that's true. YP's like, oh, like, we can't keep a train. I'm like, he was your captain. You guys had a very successful, however many years of them.

And then he won a Stanley Cup. It doesn't matter after that. I never experienced that. So it matters so much to me. The Blues, like growing up, we had just resigned to the fact that the Blues will never win the Stanley Cup. Like, we're just not a franchise that's supposed to win the Cup. Like, when we had, when we won the President's Cup that year, and then we had fucking, what's his face through the puck into our own net, one of our fucking defensemen,

threw the puck into his own net. Who was that fucking guy's name? The B started with like a B. And we lost the San Josei Sharks who were the last place team to get into the freaking, we lost a game seven in the first round. We were the best team in the H. And then they had like a four or five year stretch where they would be one of the top two teams in the West every year.

And then the Chicago Blackhawks would just beat us and then win the cup. Our biggest rival would just win against us and laugh at us and then just win the Stanley Cup. Like every other year they just won the Cup. And so we were like, yeah, it's fine. We're just never going to win the Cup. This is fun, but never. And then the year that we fucking suck, that we're the last place to me in a jail,

get rid of our coach, get a new goalie in there because why not? And then we just win the cup. And now, Frankie, you're right in the sense of the game. But we have talked about how the journey is the best part. So, like, even journeying to a new cup, like, you have to be invested in the process and the team and you want to get to that level again, like the nervousness. But I don't know that it'll ever be the same. Like, there's no way it'll be the same because we just never won the cup.

I guess if you got to like a dynasty point, like if you went two in a row, like the second one may feel better than the first one because you're like, what the fuck is happening? We're just never going to lose. Like, in the early 90s in 2000, when I was like 70 years old,

I didn't know what losing meant. So like that was a lot of fun. Like it was just winning every year, going to parade. I'm like, is this like what the world is like? What is happening right now? I'll say to like the beauty of hating the other teams

and the other cities drives you through playoffs. It's like hating Chicago and then the added value to those series of having social media so that you can just look at the dumb shit that people in your opposing city say and then learn to hate them. That fuels you to want to win. You don't want your enemies to experience anything or any joy or anything that you experienced. And I like just laughing because the Rangers, the Rangers are building something over there in New York City.

and I don't like what's going on because three years ago I was fucking dancing around being like, I don't know if it's going to make the plan. The Rangers are rebuilding. They sent out, it was two years ago,

the Rangers sent out this fucking note to all their season ticket holders being like, we are sorry, we're going to suck. Like, we're trading McDonald, we're trading all these guys.

Hey, we're going to suck. Like, it's just as what it is. And then two years later, then Panarin, Lafranier, who apparently is now being called

a prodigy, like Brian Whitney called him like the best player ever, which is crazy. He's supposed to be the best kid since McDavid. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, you won like a CCHL player of the year, World Junior's Player of the Year, number one pick. He's been a number one pick in every draft he's ever been in it.

And he's also been the player of the year in every league he's ever played him. We're not a hockey podcast. He's not a hockey podcast. He's 19 years old. This is still the podcast? Yeah. Mark Berjavon, that fucking guy in April of two, of the year 2000.

He threw the puck at his own net. It was insane. Oh, we were so mad. I can't imagine. As a kid, too, that's something that you just like can't comprehend. I was 13. We talked about in school. The headline says, the headline says

thrown for a loss. That's what it said. Oh, my God. But yeah, so Frankie, that note that they sent out, so they had just billed all the season ticket holders and like got the money, whatever, because dad's a season ticket holder. And then literally a week later, they were like, oh, yeah, we're going to suck. And the tickets went up like 10%. And this is all like the same note.

That was not a good time document. But what they've got now is they've got like the most elite prospects in the NHL. Our team, we might not win a cup this year, but in two or three years as Trent juggles over there and couldn't care less about it. It's just like it's hard to think that when it's all said and done, this core of Rangers, like, when their careers are over, that they didn't get it done. Like, it's going to be a battle for me. Like, I have to now get through another 20 years of, like, young, really good Rangers. Like, I got through Lundquist.

I fucking got through him. Like, people hated on me for hating on him on social media. He lived his existence in my life and didn't win. And, like, that's crazy. Like, he's the king. He's the best goal in the league. He's fucking hot. I grew up everyone in a Lumpf's jersey

he didn't win anything he won nothing he won a Bessna in a fucking international tournament so the Olympics yeah but like yeah when he was a fucking rookie right so like no I mean how old was Lundquist when they won the it was like I think middle of his career or something

he's been around for a little yeah so it's just you know it's now I got to do it again like there's not going to be that window I thought I I thought we were entering a window where they were going to suck.