Fore Play - Trevor Immelman: Home Game

Episode Date: January 18, 2022

Live from Trevor Immelman’s house. The 2008 Masters winner & 2022 Presidents Cup International captain details incredible stories about playing the back nine at Augusta without checking a leaderboard, practicing with Tiger Woods, growing up idolizing Ernie Els, the ins and outs of the Masters Champions Dinner, and much more. All from the comfort of his spectacular Orlando home. A big show.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports. We have a very special show right now. We are with 2008 Masters winner in his home, in his bar. Mahogany room. Is that what this is right now? I don't know what I would call this, but it's great to have you guys here.

Whatever it is, it's beautiful. This whole entire house, this room specifically, it's all beautiful. Thank you. Everything about this room made me drink a whiskey. Yeah. It kind of funnels you that way. You don't have much of a choice. May as well?

Why not? So I was thinking on the plane here, actually, I was like, I'm going to sit in this guy's home. I'm going to introduce him as the Masters Champion. I was thinking that I don't know if there's a cooler way for me as a person to imagine being introduced than Masters champion. It does feel pretty good. I'm not going to lie. It has to. It feels pretty good.

You definitely don't get old. It doesn't get old, you know? You don't get tired of it. Yeah, I was thinking like former president of United States, I think I'd rather be introduced as a massive champion. That would be an interesting one. That would be, I think that would be pretty cool to be introduced as the president of the United States. No, maybe when you're the president.

As you're stepping off of Air Force One? But that, yeah, because that is like, that's the ultimate entrance that people make. But in terms of just that, there's a lot that comes with that. There's a lot of negative that comes with that. It's hard. It's almost impossible to actually get that job and do that job. Whereas being just a master's champion that comes with such pedigree, it's like, holy shit, this guy won the masters. No one can hate a master's champion.

You'll be surprised. By the way, for those who don't know, I feel like we might be holding some people in suspense, Trevor Immelman. Do we not even say his name? All right, we're Trevor. I do some ASMR with my ice cube. Yeah, how's that sound? Do you guys do anything special to get the big ice cubes? You have any like special techniques?

We have big ice cube. is that's it what's it called again what's it's called again the drink no you you you called the ice cube I called it a big ice cube we're quite sure I called it something else didn't say the word sphere or something like that no might making that up no you're making that up you've always got space on the brain I do always have space on the brain did you see what just happened the other day guys oh boy did you see that volcano that erupted in the oh yes the videos from space and how just fragile of a universe we're in it's unbelievable when see the planet how it can erupt in that what's the wave lengths that just went across what's the

shock waves shock waves that just went across the earth unbelievable yeah we're pretty inconsequential right good way to put it you know we live in we live on this planet this blue little marble and we worry about all this bullshit meanwhile we're out we should just be out there winning masters having fun taking in life looking at the nice sun here in florida instead i'm always like looking at the looking at the negative shit. And then volcanoes erupt. They send these freaking shockwaves across the earth and we can just get wiped out like that.

So, you know? Isn't Florida good rigs told me? He's told me multiple times hates Florida and never comes here. So good to have you in my state here. Look, if you're doing it like you're doing it, obviously I'm going to love this place. One of the nicest homes ever witnessed. I'm not to close on a house on Long Island.

I told these guys when I walked in, I close on like Friday. Hey, congrats. Thank you. I think I'm going to cancel it. Well, this is. sale if you want it. Listen, it's going to take me a couple of years to afford that driveway you have out

from. But no, I think I'm going to cancel it. I already sent the text to us for saying, we can't do what we're doing. This is a house. Florida, baby. This is a home. Look, there's, obviously I can have fun in Florida, but the second our plane even land that I just felt like I was sweating already.

I don't love the humidity. Today was like the coldest day we'll probably have all year. Again, it still just feels like a little humid. It's just not for me. It's not my favorite. there have been some beautiful times that I've had in Florida and I do like Orlando it's one of the weirder places I've ever been I think in general it's like theme parky and it's just kind of that sort of seeps through everything that's in Orlando it's all over the place but I kind of like

that is the word that we would like to you okay yeah yeah but I kind of like that I dig that you've been here for a while we're talking about that before 20 years yeah almost 20 years now came over in the early 2000s I was just 21 22 years old and playing on the European tour and my My dream had always been to get to the PGA tour somehow, and I had just gotten inside the top 50 in the world, so it was starting to get into some tournaments here. And so my wife and I weren't married yet, but we were together and decided that we would get a place here so that I could come at practice and get used to it. And then the tournaments I was playing in and around the majors, we would have a base. So Ernie Else was living at Lake Nona and a bunch of other people. that I knew at the time.

So I was like, well, that's the place. Easy to travel from. It's right near the airport at Orlando International. It was easy to get to and from Europe. So that's where we set roots. And then a few years later, had kids. And once kids start school, it's tough to move. Once they've made their friends and they've got their life set, they don't want to go anywhere.

They just have a blast. Ernie's still one of your closest boys, right? I was just with him about a month. A month ago, he had a golf day down in West Palm Beach, part of that autism awareness he does, and golf days trying to make money for the charity. And we had a great day down there. A bunch of cool guys showed up. John Daly was there and VJ was there.

A bunch of cool players, old school players, facts and guys like that. And so that was really cool. How many conversations have you and I already had just about the game of golf going in deep? You learned a lot from that guy? Oh, yeah, a lot, a lot. I've known him. First time I ever met him, actually, in South Africa, he's our Tiger Woods, right?

Right. So when he was 16, 17 years old, he was already famous in South Africa for being that good at golf. He was a phenom. And he was going to be the next Gary player. And he was coming to play an amateur golf tournament at my home club, Somerset West Country Club. and I was five or six years old, just started golf.

And actually, no, I was probably seven. It was probably seven, because this is late 80s. And heard that he was coming. And dude, didn't go to school for the week. I was his shadow. You ask him about it now, he still remembers. I was his shadow. I was never more than two or three steps from him the whole week.

Like, leave me alone, kid. Just watched every shot he hit. And, you know, he was just so. great. Just humoured me the whole week, would give me all of his golf balls when he was done with him and he would talk to me. And he actually ended up losing the tournament in a playoff, which I was distraught that he didn't win this tournament, right? And so that was the first time I met him and got to know him. And then a few years later, as I was coming through the junior ranks, I played in and won his junior tournament. So I'm like 13 now. And so we meet again and kind of put all that together.

And then the year or two after that, I was coming over here to play AJGA events, and he would let me stay in his house at Nona, and he would help me out with whatever I needed, give me any kind of advice. And so that relationship has just grown from there. I mean, I see him as like an older brother, really. Yeah, and then all the way to, I mean, in 2019 in Melbourne, you know, you guys were co-captaining, oh, The dogs.

We knew the dogs. It's a dog-friendly podcast. That's Max. That's Max. That's Max. He gets very angry when somebody rings the buzzer at the gate. Is that Lurch? That's definitely Lurch.

That has to be. Lurch is 45 minutes late to the podcast. So we did know this was going to happen and we decided to just start because we don't want to take up all Trevor Rulman's night. I'll text my son, tell him to open the gate for Lurch. We knew Lurch was going to come in here like a bowling bag. I didn't know it was going to be that loud that he's got the dogs barked. He hasn't even walked through the door either. So it's going to be.

a scene when he arrives. This is a dog-friendly podcast though. Every time I hang out with dogs because I don't have a dog in New York City, it's just impossible. I don't have nearly enough dogs in my life. So seeing those two beautiful dogs that Trevor has really made my whole day.

They're great dogs. They're great dogs. We love dogs. Max is the first dog we ever had. He is eight now. Just the best. George is only three, so we only got a little while back,

but just the best. They ever come out to the golf course? No, they're too. Too much. Too crazy. Yeah. I'm always jealous. You see some people that can get out there.

And the dog sits on the seat next to them. Amazing. Oh, amazing. Just sits there all day, chilled. It's like such a bond right there. If these two dogs get like a whiff of a squirrel, it's over. Oh, wow. I mean, it's over.

There's probably not any squirrels down here. We, yeah, they're, well, they're afraid of coming into our property now since these to be. Just have to be. Have to be. So, President's Cup, you're the captain this year. It's been weird with the pandemic and postponing everything. But we were chatting before we came on the show, you had Cameron Smith.

You got Hadeki Matsuyama, last two winners on tour. How are you feeling about your team? You got the logo, which... Yeah, how do you like that? It's a good logo. I don't talk to a good amount about the logo last time. You've sent me some stuff, which puts me in a weird place because I'm already coming off a writer club where I was on the wrong side.

rider cups so you can easily swing to our team. Answering me into like a top. That's a contrarian. Just start wearing all that stuff. I mean, you're going to get Frankie and Trent angry all over again. I know.

I've calmed down. That was, I'll be honest, that was a tough time for the podcast. That was a tough era. It was a dark time for the podcast. I think that. There's Lurcher. There it is.

It's what's happening. It's a wrecking ball. Hey, buddy. Yeah. How was the drive? Two hours. It's a poll two from Bureau of Beach. Nobody can hear you.

You have to get in front of the mic. No, I think the mics are picking it. You exist? This voice, you can pick it up from Giro Beach. The baritone one. We got a chair for you right there. You can pull that puppy right on it. It's got a cool master's pillow on it.

What, right here? What are you here? No, we're over there. You're right there. Right on. Is that work for visuals? Hey, Max. So the big guy's in.

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So when I figured I were coming down here for the week, I was like, you know what? Your mommy? I'll go say hi to my mommy. That's right. And so anyways, I went down there, saw her for a day and a half and then came here. Nice. Yeah, pretty good. Big Man's got to catch his breath right now.

Who made? Yeah, that was a lot walking in, right? No, but it was, I will say, I mean, it's a hell of an entrance. I mean, it's a hell of a house, too. It is. Show up with an Uber. And then I didn't know what to say. And then you have to, you know, obviously hit the button.

And I'm like, no. No. And then I'm like, what do I give this that they'll even know that this is acceptable? So then I have to tell the Uber, I'm like, hey, it's a lurch from four plane. He looks back at me being like, now what the hell is going on to inside that house? I will say Jake Bass went through that, too. He was driving our car. We came in.

Place is well protected. So good work with that. Well protected, beautiful home. And Jake Bass, hit him with the, and I think it was you that was on the room. You're like, hello. And Jake's like, hey, my name's Jake Bass. I work for martial sports. I have rigs in the car.

And I was like. And I was like, go away effort as that. There's one person who's not equipped to handle that situation and it's Jake Bass. He needed to be in the second car. We needed to be the lead car. Hello, sir.

This is Jake Bass from Barstall's, I have rigs in the car. My social is 481. Just like, boy, you never know what you're going to get. If you really do have rigs, turn around and drive away, we don't want to me. I was like, that's what you led with? That's great.

Lurt's welcome. We knew you're going to come in hot. Thank you. Appreciate it. I think, are you going blue blockers? Is it or is that? Yeah, I'm trying to block the. So you're going blue light. Yeah. Because there's no blue light right now. No, because I, a lot of times I read through these through the ad reads and all that on your phone with this puppy. Really trying to protect the eyes. Yeah. What does that help you with not getting a headache or something like that. That's the theory. I'm a freak. I'm a blocker guy, but they make fun of me. So it's just interesting to see him. All of a sudden. He's jump done. Frankie was dispelling the whole thing. Well, no, I don't, well, you know, I don't know for sure what the science is. So we're going to have to talk. We're going to talk with shady rays. And. I want a full breakdown about exactly what it does because I've been told that maybe they don't do exactly what you think they do.

Which you could probably argue about anything, really. Yeah. Trust the science, boys. Trust the science. Trust the science. You haven't had that before, have you? No, never. Plus, I wasn't sure if I was going to have the laptops.

How does I do the laptop? Anyways. Before we get to the President's Code, you are born in South Africa. Way away from here, right? I always wonder what it's like to be born somewhere that's really far away and then everything's happening sports wise right like your mecca of sports is here in the united states and you say you want to come over with the ajGA um how much of a leap is that

to try and convince like your parents and the people around you that like i want to do this i can do this it's a it's a massive decision to go over to the united states and and start playing right as opposed to like for kids that grow up in florida or new york it's just a quick plane ride sometimes it's a train ride does it make it more difficult or absolutely it's a gigantic decision but also, you know, from a standpoint of, you know, do you have the guts to pick up and leave everything you know and see if you're good enough to make it at whatever level? But also, are you able to scrounge the funds together to be able to come and do that? And so I remember coming over as a 13, 14 year old and, you know, you're staying with host families

and you're just trying to cut every corner that you can, particularly when, the currencies aren't matching up that well. Right. And so, yeah, that makes you tough. There's no doubt about it. But I was very fortunate. My parents were, they were so supportive. I told them when I was five years old, I wanted to be a professional golfer.

And where'd that come from? Ernie else. Yeah. Just seeing Ernie else. Ernie else. He was your Tiger Woods. You saw him and you're like, I want to do that. Ernie else and watching the Masters on TV.

And fortunate for me, they've been. believe me. Like they didn't go, oh, well, next week it'll be a fireman and then a cop or, you know, teacher or whatever. They were like, okay, we'll let you play golf. And they never stood in my way. They just constantly tried to smooth everything out so that I could keep following my dream. And so, yeah, I owe them a tremendous amount for that. They were just always never, they were never in the front. They were always just in the background, like, trying to, you know, I mean, I owe them a tremendous amount for that. They were just always, their best to facilitate what needed to take place for me to be put in the right place at the right time so that hopefully my talent would get me somewhere so you had that edge just born with

it you hear a lot of these stories about like I just got done watching that Venus and Serena Williams movie just the way that the father really pushed them to do that you kind of had that on your own I was so mega single-minded my wife will tell you we started dating in high school so we've been together a long time. And she'll tell you, like, you know, mega single-minded. There was nothing else that really ever took up any space. And I, to be honest with you, I think if I look back now, what am I, I just turned 42.

If I look back now. Happy birthday. Thank you. Month ago. Happy birthday. And I definitely burnt myself out a little bit because I was, you. I was so intense about it from a young age and would just work my butt off. Like my whole motto was, what you put in is what you're going to get out.

And practice makes perfect. And so I just going nonstop. Golf's got to be infuriating when you have that mindset of what you put in is what you get out, when you could do everything that you're supposed to do and it still doesn't work out, right? Yeah. Also, practice makes perfect golf. was impossible. A game of imperfections. Yeah, which is probably the main reason why I think I kind of burnt out in my late 30s because I was just... You're searching for something that's unattainable.

Yeah, well, it was also 30 plus years of mega grind. And so when, like you say, when things aren't going exactly the way you would want, you kind of wonder like, okay, how badly do I need this? How much fun am I having right now? Are there other things that I would like to do? And then you kind of weigh up all your options. But what was the first question you asked me? Like the very first question? No, really. Right before.

You think he knows. Look at that brain. Something jumped into my mind. I just lost it. You were saying the, making the jump from, making the jump from South Africa to America, AJGEA staff. No, that wasn't it. I got a question about.

I'll come to me in a second. I got a question about practice in general because we talk a lot about. We just. Oh, this is it. I just got it. Here we go. You were talking about. how difficult it is to manage with golf because there's so many different pieces of the puzzle

that go into being a good golfer. And so you've got to have the mental strength, you've got to have the physical attributes and the talent, you've got to be able to put the time in, you've got to have good technique, you've got to be able to handle that moment when you're coming down the final hole in a major championship or a big tournament, something that means a lot to you. I always have thought of it like a pizza. I mean, there's a solid seven, eight, nine, ten slices to this thing. And the best are the ones that have got the majority of that or all of that.

And then there's a ton of people that are incredible juniors, incredible driving range players, but then you put them in a tournament and they're just not the same. Missing some toppings. So, yeah, exactly. So there is so much that goes to golf, playing golf at the highest level for an extended period of time. That's why guys like Tiger and, you know, Furek, Ernie, Mickelson, the fact that those guys have been able to stay at the highest level for so long, it's insane. They don't get nearly, nearly the amount of respect than what they should. I mean, there's no teammates out there for you, man.

It's just, it's you. and you are totally exposed. When it comes to practicing and you're talking about how much you grinded, is that beating balls in the range? What does a legitimate hardcore practice session look like for you or it used to look like when you were really grinding? Because for us, you know, we don't, we can hit balls in the range all day. You get in a groove, but then you're just hitting 15, 7 irons in a row.

You can get pretty good at that. We're just not, none of us grew up doing that. We don't really know what it actually takes to get better when you're trying to get better at golf? What are those sessions look like? Do you mix in a lot of short game, being on the course, range, or you're just beating a thousand balls? What's that look like?

Yeah, I think you've got to have a few different plans. Otherwise, you can get bored. Right. So, like Tiger, I would spend some time with Tiger back in the day at Alworth when he was living there and go practice with him every now on there. Tiger Woods? And have you heard of him, Frankie? wearing a little tiger red right now kind of you got a little

I know you all wear a tiger red too is it maybe it's the whiskey um lord you want to drink by the way I think you want to drink I also like you are I don't want to yeah just continue to talk about tiger let me answer this question and then I'll get you on the uh what he at times

which I found fascinating because I wasn't doing anything like that at that moment this is like 2005 2006 he at times would dedicate like a day or two days to one part. And so like he would put for two days or he would chip for two days because he thought that he needed to go into an aspect of the game and just get lost for a long period of time. And that's when he would find the little things that could give him an edge. What do you mean? Two days, one putt, like from a spot or like a break? Or what does that mean? Or like just putting. Just putting for like eight, nine hours a day. And then he would do it again the next day.

Wouldn't go and hit a drive, wouldn't go and hit a chip, just putt. Just putt. He would just putting green. So you mean just get lost in the art of putting? Figure stuff out. And that's how I think that he would own it back then. Right. He owned it. I never did that until then. I learned that from him. I would always be the guy that would be like, and he did this too. When you read a lot of the stuff, he would say, okay, you know, 4.30 a.m. workout. I don't know how true that is, but, you know, and then it would be like nine holes, hit balls, chip, putt, play another nine, have lunch, all that, you know.

So he would do all of that stuff too. But the thing that I learned from him that I'd never heard of before was just for days. He would do one thing. So you started doing that. After you saw him doing that, you gave that. I started to bring that in. And where I also think it's smart, there's a couple reasons. First of all, like what he explained to me was you could get lost in it and you could maybe have like a eureka moment where you're just like, that's it.

Right. This is it. If I just feel this, then I start them where I want or I get the right speed. I hit it in the middle, whatever it may be. And then the other thing. it builds that kind of endurance for him. And I think, I mean, it's not like we're Navy SEALs or running into brick walls or anything like that, but it gives you that toughness where if you just stand up then, you're like,

okay, I'm going to make 50 in a row. I'm not leaving until I've done that. I'm going to make 100 in a row, whatever it is from five feet or three feet or whatever. Like that toughness to complete that task and keep failing until you get it done, those are the sort of things that you can rely on when you're out on your own coming down the stretch in a tournament and you've got this put on like the 17th hole or the 18th hole

and like as you're coming out of your your crouch from reading the putt you're like man for every day in the last two months I've made 50 of these in a row like I've put the work in yeah this is it I'm making this there's also got to be a mental edge to that where nobody else is doing that you would imagine

yeah like nobody else is getting lost in putting or chipping or whatever for two straight days. That's just very interesting. Yeah. Does any of that preparation even help you in that moment? You just said, like, I've done this 50 times. I'm about to make the round clinching the tournament clinching putt. Well, the times I made the putts, I thought I thought it works.

You have to be in the position to actually know what it's. Yeah, I absolutely think it makes a difference. Yeah. Because it's, you know, I think it's sport. At the level that we watch when we're on TV, whatever sport it is, you know, it's just the best of the best. And at that level, when you have supremely talented athletes that have clearly put the time in and they've dedicated their whole lives to the sport, I think that mental self-belief, it's huge. Yeah. It's huge.

I think you can say that goes across all aspects of life. You're a businessman that needs to make a crazy pitch. for your company and you've been you've done this a thousand times and then you have the one that's going to secure your business like the million dollar loan or whatever it may be and you just like fuck it up or you're a pizza maker and you've made a million pizzas like my dad and then dave comes to review your pizza and you just make a completely different pizza dad like how is that even possible my dad's made pizza pizzas for 50 years what I'm saying like you have to be in it now the next time that Dave comes my dad's going to be prepared because he felt that pressure yeah and you

don't know how you're going to respond he never knew what it was going to feel like when Dave Portner I walked through those doors at Borrelli's and he tried to change up to pizza. He tried to make it more crispy, tried to make it thin crust. We don't have that pizza. So it came out. He tried to do it the way Dave liked it

instead of doing the way he does it. That's right. Isn't that insane? 67 years. See it all the time. Well, I'm saying it. You can draw it in. Like, you can put 55 times from five feet right to left break.

And then when you have it on 18 at Augusta National, you may not know what's going to feel like until you're there. You know, you can do it a million times. Once it's there. I would say the best equivalent for us is the first T. Oh, yeah. Like, you can hit 15 drives on the range and you get in a groove with the last six or seven of them where they're all perfect. Even the bad ones are like, fine, I'm not embarrassing myself.

You walk to that T and there's a group behind you or there's people that come out and they're like, oh, the four play guys are T and you get out there. And you're standing over that ball going there is no chance I can hit your shot. I know I can't do it. And it's like I just did it 15 times. It's a half a second movement. Why can't I just do it? You got to just lower your expectations, man. Yes.

And just realize that everybody feels that. The best players that have ever lived feel nerves on the first tee. It's just one of those things. The best thing to do is just try to have a shot that you can rely on, like a shot that, okay, everybody's at a different level of golf. But, okay, 50% of the time, if I try hit a fade, I can hit a fade. But only 30% of the time when I try hit a draw, I hit a draw. So I'm going to go with the one when I feel uncomfortable that I have a bit.

better chance of pulling off. That would be the kind of thought process you should go through. And then it's almost like, I kind of expect to hit a bad one. So be more surprised when you actually had a good one. So crazy you say that because someone takes the pressure off. Some doctor DM me, I'm trying to do this whole thing, fix my yips, my brain. They're five years now running for chipping. And someone said that you have way too high of expectations for what you're supposed to do. and you keep putting, chipping on this pedestal that you'll never,

every time you step over a ball, for me, every time I step over a ball, I assume that I'm either going to mess it up because I want the best thing to happen. And they're saying to accept that it could go wrong

and be more accepting of that because then when it does go wrong, you won't be as nervous. Or when you are about to approach the next one, you won't be as nervous because you're accepting that it will just end up in the bunker

or you will just skull it over. Do you think that the yips in any aspect of our game or any other sports starts with in the mind or with bad technique. In the mind. Really? No surprise here, but what is the one thing that will allow you to play more golf? Retirement. Yep.

Yeah. A lot of people actually say that I live at retirement type life. You do. You're a retired 35 year old that are about to be 35, January 30th. Wake up, answer some emails and then go out in golf. Every day. That's a nice life. how do you get to retirement?

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And I think Tiger Woods is a perfect example. And actually Brandl and I used to have this discussion on doing Golf Central back in the day when Tiger was struggling with the chipping. And he was quite adamant that this is it. Nobody's ever come back from the chipping yips. And I was like, wow, well, I would love his body to be healthy so that he can then clean up his technique. And once those two things have happened, I'd be interested to see. you know, if the yips are even still there. And on that one occasion, I mean, we saw what happened.

He got himself kind of ready to go for the most part from a body standpoint. He started down at his tournament in Albany. All of a sudden, the guy is hitting good chip shots. And so, yeah, for me, I think it starts with bad technique. And once you've experienced those poor chip shots because of bad technique for an extended period time, eventually your mind's like, man, I just, I cannot be in this situation again. Just can't do this, man. Just don't put me here.

I'm sick of this shit. What do you think about? He'll put, like on the range sometimes, you'll hit a bunch, 10 good wedges. And then you'll get to the course and it's just a nightmare. And so that to me has to be mental, but maybe to your point that it's just gone so long now that it is a mental. Yeah, it is mental now. Yeah.

But I'm saying where did it start? Right. I have to start somewhere. Hmm. Maybe the womb. But you said playing high school golf you weren't a bad chipper. My favorite part of the game. Yeah.

I must have gotten some sort of car accident or something. Have you tried to chip right-handed? No. But Kisner had me chipping one-handed and I was elite. Yeah, that looked good. I saw that video. Yeah. That looked good.

Yeah. Maybe try chip right-handed for a little while. See if it like switches things in the mind. I got to switch something up. I got a message saying that I read it off on the last podcast. I won't do it again. But basically there's this thing that happens with your brain that you've experienced some sort of trauma.

And it's trying to... Remember those words? You don't want to get those words out? I don't. Just so something. Essentially, your brain's saying, the traumatic event's about to happen, and we're going to do everything we can to stop that subconsciously. So that's when we were talking about Rick Ankeel, the baseball player, pitched for the Cardinals.

Couldn't throw the ball home anymore. He had to learn how to hit and play the outfield. His muscles would actually physically tense up as he went to go throw a baseball because his brain saying, let's not do that thing that we don't like. Is this when you said you're going to shoot yourself up with Botox? Yes.

You know a lot about this. Yeah. Yeah, I did say that. What do you think about that? Have you started your first treatment yet or no? Well, this will be breaking news. I'm going to do a series. I'm doing a series called Fixing Frankie and it's going to be all mental stuff.

I think a lot of people, our listeners and our viewers can gain a little bit of something about how to fix the mental side of your game. I don't think we think nearly enough about it, average golfers. We don't think about our way to move around the golf course. We don't think about the right decisions to make. And we also don't think about like what goes into, like being mentally healthy to play the game of golf. How deep are you going to allow the camera crew to get into that? Really deep.

And I'm going to get hypnotized, I think, too. Hypnotize would be something. So we're going to try it all. Fine. We'll start with good technique, though. Hopefully that works. I'm telling you that's the way. Have you ever gone through anything like that?

Anything yippy or anything? Yeah. For me, it was, I had three wrist surgeries shortly after I won the Masters, like a year later. year after I won the Masters. And it was like four months before I could putt again. And so that was really tough. And you start to come back. And I felt it with the long clubs.

I would get to the top and my mind would not let me hit the ball because it was, I think, anticipating pain. And just not trusting that this thing had healed up. and so yeah i'd have kind of overcome that really haven't been much of a good driver of the ball since that moment actually you think it's related i don't know starts with technique i was going to do it i was talking a lot about preparation and how much you have to put into it to play the game in golf and then prior to us turning on the mics you talked a little bit about being in the booth and on TV and commentating and how much preparation you actually do have to put into that.

I wonder how has that been going and is it more than you anticipated? How are you dealing with all of that? Yeah, you know, I'm enjoying it and for me that's the most thing. You always hope to get good feedback from people or at a very least constructive criticism to be like, hey, you know, you're almost there, but maybe you can work on this or tweak this. But I'm enjoying it. But yeah, I think it pens, everybody's a little different, but for me, I treat it very much the way I did when I was playing. So I do a lot of work. Do a lot of work to just make sure that I know a little something about all the players. And I'm always trying to think to myself, okay, how can I say something on the broadcast that could make somebody sit up off of their couch and go like, oh, okay, that's cool.

Let me listen for a couple more minutes and see, like, grab. How do you grab somebody? It could be through humor. It could be through something about the swing or the golf course or what you've noticed out of this particular player. So that's always what I'm trying to figure out. And even, you know, over the last couple weeks and you watch all those montages and tributes to John Madden, it's like he had that ability. Like he would just grab people and make you want to listen. And to me, that's really cool.

When I watch sport, that's what I want as a fan sitting at home. So those are sort of all the lines that I am thinking down. But yeah, always trying to do a lot of prep. Make sure you're ready. Make sure you're ready. And that's where, for me, you know, we were talking about Joe Buck or Mike Toriko, Jim Nance, guys who do multiple sports. It is incredible.

the amount of work those guys put in, research, making sure they're ready and understand all the nuances of all these different sports. Man, that is, that's big time. And to be able to contextualize things the way that they do, and like you said, jump from sport to sport. Because the point that you made originally to us was like, I feel like I know a lot about golf. I'm a master's winner. And I still have to prepare a ton to get to the level that I want to be at before coverage. Like, that's amazing to us because I feel like you could just. roll in there and know everything.

Well, I think it also depends on, you know, I always want to be ready in case I choke, you know, when that light goes on and all of a sudden you've got to say something interesting. It's so easy to fall back into a golf cliche. Yeah. And so I'm always wanting to not do that. And so how do you find out stuff about players that you could say that has never been said before or you could, you know, bridge with something else into something that could be happening on the screen at that moment. So, yeah, a ton of notes, just trying to be, trying to be

ready, trying to keep it interesting as much as you can. I mean, golf on TVs, it can be really boring. Oh, yeah. So how do you, how do you find, how do we find that something to get it going? That's good, though. I mean, that's a good goal, right? Because I think we all, and plenty of people complain about coverage all the time and some coverage is clearly better than others but I do think like you said with with mad and with certain people that are really really skilled at it they can start speaking about something in a way that makes you be like I can't tune out until they finish this thought or this story or this tidbit about the person and that's especially in a lot of sports you know there's so much time to be filled where there's not necessarily a ton going on people can be distracted

by their phone by anything in the world so it's tough it's a tough skill and I feel like to capture people for an extended period of time. Yeah, the coverage takes are interesting. You hear about it a lot. You get a lot of messages from people. Can't imagine. But it's kind of like, it's, it's kind of like the government almost. Like, like nobody even knows where some of these decisions get made.

These announcers are just there trying to do their job. So when somebody says to me, okay, we've got a commercial in 20 seconds. We've got a commercial in 20 seconds. The producer doesn't even know why, you know, he's deciding when that commercial may be, but people, there's another layer of how many commercials are going to be run in that time slot or in that hour or in that show. And so, like, the layers are so deep with who's actually making these decisions that, you know, a lot of times when you get these messages from people that are shouting at you about commercial load or, this or then, and you're just like, dude, give me a break. That decision is getting made like 100 miles from where I'm at. Okay, like, and I'm talking about business wise.

Like, I don't even, have never even met or heard the person's name that has made that decision. Like, I'm just here doing my job, man. Somebody whisper to my ear. We're going to commercial 20 seconds. We're going to go. You should never be to blame for the coverage problems. Golf's also crazy because it resets every Sunday. Like, if you're a football,

announcer like John Madden, you know, you know the 10 and six chiefs are coming in against like, you know, the six and ten bangles, whatever the case is. So there's some natural buildup to the game. But depending on the event as an announcer, like you don't know how good an event it's going to be, truthfully. And like, I don't know if people tuned into the Sony last night, but that was amazing finish. Incredible. Like, and you talk about, you know, somebody hitting 50 or 100 puts in a row. Like Henley was pretty much nails down the stretch. I mean, he got a little, I don't know, he wasn't hitting as pure as he was on the front line on the back, but he was still making put after putt after put until the 18th.

And so I'd love to get your take on that. But it is tough as an announcer to go in with, hey, I don't know what I'm going to get out of this. So you've got to be on the top of your game to bring something new to the table when somebody does win by five or six strokes. And there's not that finish down at the end because there's not that like natural buildup that you know what's about to take place at this event. You really truthfully don't know what it's about to have.

happen unless it's a major or some sort of big event that there's, you know, other things associated with it. So, you know, going to the well of figuring out, hey, what can I say to grab people, to bring people in, to continue to watch on a Thursday, Friday, Saturday is super tricky. And then like, you know, just to get your mindset on that and wanting to bring something new is, is awesome. Yeah. Everything you've just said is exactly the reason why, why I try to do the prep. Yeah. It's because, you know, like you say, you're not quite sure how the golf's going to be. You could come on air and some guy is on 59 watch. Right.

And so then it's just like, okay, whatever we had planned for this show, that's gone for the next hour. Because we are focused on this cat trying to break 60. Right. And then other times you'll come on and everybody's struggling and there's not much going on. And then you've got to, you know, dream something up. Or that guy is 59. Like, hey, do I have some interesting facts that will continue to, you know, get people captivated towards that individual that's going for, you know, the hunt for 59 or whatever? it is. So yeah, that's just a tricky

fight, I guess, in terms of your mental prowess and what you want to share with the audience. It's tricky each time. And then you walk the fine line to, particularly as an ex-player, is you know, just how tough

are you going to be at times? You know, is it fair? Is it unfair? Is, are you looking to cause a stir? There's absolutely people out there that say stuff because they want to get attention. It doesn't feel like Trevor. Probably not.

Maybe this week, actually. Okay. Just tune in. Tune in to the golf. I see. I got you. Have you become that guy just for a week and we see how it goes. I got you.

Maybe this week, Griggs. Okay. I like it. Now, PJ West, it'd be a good spot. Weather will be perfect, but all be flying a mile. A bunch of retirees hanging out and then Trevor, everyone just comes in with a hammer. It's all guns blazing. We'll put the word out of between me, be like, this guy, Trevor Hill is kind of

the handle this guy's spicy you guys should pay attention to him a little bit more so you gotta figure out like how you're gonna walk the time to the ugliest guy on the cold

oh shit holy shit never personal friday i think you should just lead with us i mean like get people tuned in like imamint's just nasty producers like

commercial is now in five seconds we're going to commercial right now max almost has up to the tea he has no shot this week right that's what you do it really casually you say mean like pretty mean things really casually. People like, well now,

what's going on on this broadcast? I like it. It could be a new line. Lip out for Bertie on the first. That's him done. No charge this week. I like it.

It might be, you could get away with it once. Yeah. Yeah. Would they like chirp at you about that? Would the producer chirp at you about that? I think if you have, and what you try and always create is a really cool,

and I'm sure it's the same with you guys, a really cool relationship with the person that's running the show with the producer. And that way everybody, everybody can be open and honest with each other and be like, yeah, I really like that, but maybe hold off on this. And so you can, you're having that constant flow of information or critique coming through your ear as they trying to run the show. It could maybe leave you down certain paths or make you hit the breaks every now and then, you know, or you get a text from someone saying, like, ouch, don't open Twitter. Golf coverage is really interesting because there's obviously the lane where you want to captivate people but then for us on the podcast we've talked about you could just turn on the

camera and let us just hear ambient noise and I just want to hear the back and forth between the player and the caddy. You ever see any value in that where it's like you kind of just step back and just let the people hear like how do those decisions come into play? I think if you had a three or four hour broadcast of just hearing playing playing in caddy, you'd be bored out of your mind. Yeah. You really would. I don't, I don't, I think it's cool to hear some of it.

But just like anything, too much of anything is bad. Right. Yeah. So I think if you can find a way to bleed it in in the right moments and when shots are like rarely consequential, then it adds that extra layer. And it adds the ability to see, you know, maybe how anxious the player is or, or if they're committed to what the caddy's saying or not, if there's any type of conflict there.

So I think it's one of those where at the right time it's gold, but all day long, then it'll be another thing you complain about watching the golf. I know it's the producer's job mostly, but will you ever chime in on those types of decisions? Will you ever be like, man, that stuff we're getting from Kisner and Dewey's really good. We should go back to that or text somebody or something? The general rule is when player, there's like a traffic system to doing TV.

And people know when they come in during that traffic. But the general rule is if a player and caddy start talking, you shut up. Okay. And you try and hear what they're saying. And then, you know, as the lead analyst, you would try and think to yourself, okay, can I squeeze something in really quick or is it best? Or if you're in the middle of saying something, do I try and add a few more words to that before I clip it off

or do I jump out there immediately and then try and finish my thought on the back end? And so those are the little things that you're weighing up in that split second and sometimes you get it right and sometimes you get it wrong and you just got to feel it out. But the general rule of thumb is when players and caddies are talking and you can hear any part of it you just lay out. Shopify gives entrepreneurs the resources once reserved for big business so upstart startups and

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Everybody knows they're all. When players talk to a caddy or, you know, if I was on tour, is there a standard kind of back and forth that takes place? Like when you walked up to a ball and you were, you know, X amount of distance out, would you get up to your ball and then your caddy would relay a bunch of information and you go back. Is there any, like, because when you go to a course and they have caddies, it's like, yeah, you should probably hit your eight iron like here, you know,

so you don't pull it left in the water. It's probably a safer shot. But it's more like mitigating risk. But on tour, is there a standard kind of correspondence back and forth that takes place? Or is it different for every player caddy? It's mostly the same. I think the main thing for the caddies is to just figure out exactly what that player likes. Okay.

So some players want to keep it as simple as possible. possible and they may only want the whole distance. Some players, like I always wanted the front. Yeah, what'd you want? I wanted the front and then the pin. Front pin. And then in my mind, I would say, okay, if I've got 150 front, 165 to the hole and we're playing the US Open, so the greens are really firm. That ball's taking like a six, seven yard bounce. Now, I'm not really, I'm trying to fit my ball in between that front edge and the whole location, because I'm anticipating that bounce. So my number now is becoming, you know, 57, 58, 157, 158. And I'm trying to figure out, well, okay, where's my miss?

If I miss short, am I more likely to get up and down, or if I miss long, am I more likely to get up and down? And so then you're factoring that stuff in before you make the decision. and the caddy will be feeding you information or as much information as you want. And these are the things that the team figures out before the tournament gets going and gets better and better at the longer players and caddies work together.

It's just how much information the player wants. It is interesting because like when we have a caddy, it's more of a risk mitigator. It's like you should probably do this or do that. But for you, it's like your hype man. You know, he's like trying to think, tell you the right information to do the best job to potentially be like as aggressive and safe as possible but when we get caddies and we can correct me if I'm wrong but it's like no you

should probably go here so you don't get in this kind of trouble so it's like a totally different conversation ours are also like a rent-a-caddy no I know but they're just trying to get through the round and it's like a whole different conversation usually and not not making sure you don't screw up pretty much or sometimes they're too um hype manny our caddies and they think I can do things that I can't and end up just nip this one in that tight just I would actually disagree with you I'd say most like resort caddies are pretty goddamn positive and it pisses me off

No they are but it's like dude you know I suck I'm not going after any of these pins Yeah but you don't want the guy beating you No I like it I hate how much I disappoint him if I can Yeah that always so crazy So it's another layer of pressure on you Yeah and I will say

It can be a little infuriate too Where they're like all right you see it like tallest pine up there And what you started just right of that And then bleed it towards that point I'm like dude who do you think you're talking to Trevor on a moment? You see what's been happening for the last six old? But also, like, there's so many different things that the caddy needs to learn about each particular player. And that, to me, that's what separates.

You know, those are the two things. It's how well you get to know your player to where you can help him free his mind. And then how well you know the golf course to when you can add a little something that could gain a shot, which could be as massive at the highest level. And so knowing, like, some players don't mind hearing. Congo left here. Other players, if you say that, that'll be the last time you say that. And so that's where, to me, the greatest caddies are the best communicators. And they're able to get, they understand exactly when to say something and when not to say

something and when they do say something, what they should say to not get in the mind of the player. So how much of that do you think, how much importance you put on that? Like, could you go out there and just caddy for Justin Thomas with all your knowledge of golf? Or do you think you need that personal connection to be able to know exactly everything about his game? Or could you just kind of coach him around the course? Well, I need to tread lightly. I don't want all the caddies coming at me.

That's true. You know, with what I know about the game, I think if you gave me a little time with Justin Thomas, I could be a good caddy for him. I do, yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because you see guys like bones. they can like bounce around from guy to guy right or like when we were at we're at tournaments they'll be like yeah I got this guy in my bag this week so it interests

me I guess those guys are just really but he's one of the he's one of the best right right so yeah he has that special something like anybody who's been in the top five in the world or was won a Super Bowl or something like that they've got that special something that they they're always bringing to the party that they can they can jump around and still get it done it's a gift he's got a gift I remember the northern trust this year we ran into Joey the Cobbon he's had something really interesting to us

which was he was caddy him for Patrick Cantley that week and he said that the tiger texted him right before he'd been like you better get ready to give him two numbers this week and I guess Tigers are just a pure raw number guy I guess Cantley's in a he wants the raw number and the adjusted

yeah so to your point it's like everybody wants something a little bit different he always wanted it adjusted and the raw so Tiger was chirper of being like I never used to give him me one. And to Joey said to us, he's like, yeah, there are a few times in the course where I'd be like, you know, 166. And then Gantley would be like, and? Yeah. But that's just more insight to Tiger.

It's like he wanted all the responsibility on himself. Yeah. And he took so much pride in that that he just wanted the one number. And he played so much by feel that then in his own mind he would dial in, you know, what the wind's doing, what the elevation doing what the lie is doing and he also had the advantage of knowing that he was by far the best and so he knew that you know he put that he used that to his advantage to be like whatever i figure out here is going to be better what the next guy figures out right right so i'm going to go with myself yeah it makes me smile it's like no it's also like trapped knowledge too it's like his caddy can't

even have that like god forbid like if he were to go anywhere else it's like i know the number no one else could get this calculation as dialed in as I could. And so I'm going to keep that. That's the way I feel. Similar to what Kiz has said to us before about, like, you know, do you bring Dewey or do you bring other people into read puts? And he's like, well, no offense anybody, but I'm better than these people at putting. Why would I trust someone else to rig?

I can just read it. Speaking of a guy just stepping up and just doing something, how about Hedekek? You alluded to it before, but we talk about the Sony a little bit because, I mean, at this point, you're just on the whole show, so we have to talk about the Sony open. Sorry, we do this sometimes. Sorry, guys. Come in talking too much. No, I love it.

No, we're the ones. We need you. You make the show legitimate. We need you. Like, big down. Last week we talked about, I don't even know what. I read a poem last week. He has another one this week.

I do have a poem this week. He didn't just read a poem. He wrote a poem and then read. I missed that. I missed that. I enjoyed a fucking good poem. No, I thought it was great. This week I have a user submitted poem.

Someone sent me one at like 3.30 in the morning and I just have to read it. Like, if people are putting, if people are putting the effort into send me poems. I'm going to read them on the show. Okay. Pones are tough too. Really tough. Come up with it's creative and good. You don't strike me as a poem, uh, poet.

No. If we're going to go around the room, like, are you a poet? I would say more so than you probably. I would say I enjoy it because there's a cadence to it and I am a drummer. So I like the idea of the cadence. I like that. There's a drum set here for I'll actually go around the, I'll say I'm the worst poet in the group.

I'd say Trent would be my number one. That's crazy. I would say, yeah, the two of you maybe. close and I would be last. I just read you a fantastic. Yeah, we have the, we have the experience. I was an English major. I've written a decent amount of poetry.

I could see that. You were an English major? Yeah, Trent was an English major. You were? To be clear, I did not graduate. For a short period of time, you were English major. He began a pursuit. I felt the disappointment that really hit me the chest when you said, oh.

But yeah, well, this was many moons ago, but I would have graduated. I swear. and I feel like I'm having a conversation that I have my parents many years ago. But I would have graduated, but I got the offer to do this job. And I was like, I'm going to jump at that. And you made the right choice? I did. Looking back on it now, but maybe one day I'll go back and I'll graduate.

But yeah, I was an English major there for a few years. Where was that, Iowa? Not at the University of Iowa. It's a smaller college in Cedar Rapids. Nice. I really enjoyed it. I do like to read and I like to write. That's kind of why I got into this gig.

It's changed over the years. but I like that. I like doing those things. That's a fun thing to me. That's cool. So he is number one poet on the team. You're going to second, Frankie. But it has to go to Frankie because he's the only one who's made,

who's wrote a poem on this actual podcast. And delivered it for the masses to lose. And it went over pretty well. Yeah, and we're publicizing poetry on the Foreplay podcast. So we're bringing back some literature on this thing. Yeah, you're right, which is important. So what were your thoughts on this past weekend? I mean, just took Twitter by Storm.

Whenever a tournament like that goes viral, you know it's, I mean, it caught everyone's eye, especially on Wild Card Sunday. Just an amazing finish. Hideki's your guy. Yeah. A phenomenal, phenomenal shot that all of us just can't wrap our heads around. 277 coming in soft. The way it landed is just the most preposterous.

Just high fade in there. High fade. Up and down from 277. Into the sun. Had like a 175 ball speed or something on a three wood off the deck. Saw that. That's 20 mile an hour fast limit. Good grief.

Yeah, it was amazing, man. You know, he really, he did what you would expect to master's champ to do. It was five down after nine, birded ten, birded eleven, and just put enough heat on Russell to where, you know, he got himself right back in it. And then takes the risk, 18 regulars. with that driver. I mean, how was that swing?

Did you see where he put that on the T-ball? Yeah. It was like right behind the marker. Yeah. Made me nervous. The amateur golfer, it goes right off that back into your neck. Kills me or kills the people behind me?

That thought never crossed his mind. I could probably see that. So did you see on the one angle, actually the producer did a great job and directed at a great, yeah, and did a great job getting the right camera angle there when he was measuring the two club lengths to see exactly how far back he would go. He stayed on that inside edge

so he knew he wasn't doing anything untoward with the rules and then just unleashed this high draw right down there and put the pressure on Henley and Henley then goes with the three wood, flares it out into the bunker. And at that point you even kind of wondered like if it would be a two-shot swing

and he would make Eagle in Regulation a win. Anyway, go to the playoff. And what I thought was so, interesting was Henley gets the honor, hits it into the fairway bunker again like carbon copy of regulation. And after Hideki sees that, even though he just hit one of the most awesome drives you've seen in a little while, up and over the corner, he goes to the five wood because he knows now that Henley can't reach the green. So as long as he puts it in the fairway, he's then going to be able to reach the green and have the advantage. So hits the five wood off the T, perfect around the

corner and then hits that three wood in there to what two feet that was uh to me that was i think it's a huge moment because you you he has this huge win with the masters and then he wins zozo in his home country which is like that's tough to do winning in your home country going back there as the masters champion you know how much they love him and how famous he is there already but then the pGA tour comes to town you win that and then you you get this win as well coming from five shots back with nine to play like it's starting to build a reputation of like this dude you know it puts him in another category and obviously my position this year i'm really happy about yeah i was going to say you've seen him in such a personal setting too have

you always known that he's had this edge to him yeah we've always felt that he's been so good ever since he was a junior golfer. But it can be hard to get like a real beat on him because he's so humble. He's so humble. And so you can't always get a feel for his greatness because he always is just looking for a way to take a back seat and find a quiet spot.

And, you know, if he, I had my way, I would like to try and find a way for him to step up a bit more and become the real leader of our team. But I don't want, sorry, sorry, Lurge, but I, but I, I don't want to change his person. I want him to be authentic and be comfortable. But I think because he's so quiet, if he decided to step up and say something, like you would hear a pin drop. Yeah. Like everybody would be like, okay, well, we've never seen this before. gave me the chills you describing how he has like this subdued greatness like he's holding in this nuclear weapon and you see him in the corner at three there that's right yeah

you unleashed it imagine just being in the same locker room as him like looking at him just just chilling over there in the corner knowing that that guy could beat every other person on the golf course and he's not saying a word about it that's almost more scary than him coming out and say I'm going to beat you today yeah he he's he's calm he's calm he always just wants to stay under the radar. That's more terrifying, I think, as an opponent. Like, this guy doesn't even care what's going on. He's beating us.

You know what I mean? Like, not doesn't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, this guy's just walking around like it's a regular Sunday, and I'm over here sweating bullets. And he's hitting 275-yard three woods to two feet. Like, can we get this guy to get round one second? To speak to, like, the unlocking of his greatness, though, because I saw a stat today.

He was 0.193 in terms of wins in his first 93 starts. and in the last 18 he's had three wins. So maybe something to like unlocking that greatness. Did you have a conversation with him? It's got nothing to do with me. That was your chance to take some credit right now. He wouldn't have said you were wrong because he's so humble. Well, look, I think that the knock on him has always been, you know,

can he get the putter to be able to match the long game? The long game has always been impeccable. He's one of the few players that puts a strike. on the ball that is special and he can flight the ball through the air better than most it just looks different it sounds different he can hit it mega high which is a huge advantage on the toughest courses but the knock has always been at times he won't make those four five six footers to keep things going and in the last like you say what did you say one three of the last 19 18 18 and 19 so in the last last year or so he's found a way to be able to do that and so that's

pretty good timing for you I saw maybe the loosest I've ever seen is he was asked after the tournament what do you do now how do you celebrate what are you going where are you going what are you going to play next he goes I'll have my share of sake tonight we'll see you all in San Diego at Tori Pines nice and they followed up and said when do you take vacation he said tonight. There's a sense of humor in there. You've obviously spent far more time with him than us. But I feel like there's something in there that he has that hopefully it starts to come out.

Because like, Frank, you're saying a guy who doesn't say anything and then B2 is terrifying as an opponent. What you're saying is like in a locker room setting or with other people who around who is who are on his team, you wouldn't mind seeing a little bit more out of him in that respect. Well, we've just always seen that in sports over the years. One little thing that gets said in the last. locker room or in the huddle can spark magic. Yep.

And so you, as a leader or as a captain or as a general manager, whatever may be, you're always looking for, okay, how can I find that something that's going to create magic? And he's one of those players that is so gifted and so well respected by both teams, by everybody, whether we're in media or players or caddies or whatever, that if he had to say the right thing at the right time. It's the kind of thing that could spur your team for a whole week. And so you kind of wonder if that opportunity or moment will be there. I can't wait to see. Those are the kinds of things. I'm getting the chills thinking about him. I can't wait to see. But also it's the captain in the room right now. That's what's psychotic about this whole thing.

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but I thought his putter was actually pretty darn good through the closing holes and he was making some clutch putts and this is all like weird I can't believe I'm saying this in last year but when we were we hung out hit balls with Rory and he showed us how to drive but he also said his guy was David Gagin

so now I've been listening to a lot of David Gagins and what he basically trains for is getting above goal so he talks about going on runs and when there's a defined halfway point and you come back the guys get you know more cheery because they know there's an end point.

And sometimes that changes the way that you work in this world. But then some instructors would say, no, we're going past the endpoint. And then you could see basically their mindset and their body language deteriorate. And so I want to know if there's like a way in your mind when you're training for golf, if there was a way to train to get beyond goal. Because Henley had made put after putt after putt. And then he puts them into pretty good position to where, win it on the 18th hall.

I mean, I think he had like a 12 footer uphill, maybe right edge of the cup. And he had a good putt just missed it. I totally agree. But that was like one of the only puts he missed going down, finishing the back nine. And, you know, it's so final on the at 18th, right, in terms of making that putt. Like was there any, you know, we talk about making 50 in a row or something like that. But did you ever ever someone next to you saying like, no, and more and more and more. So you never knew where that angle was.

or I'm just trying to think of, you know, a blend of kind of Goggins mindset and making sure that you're the same way that you were on the 18th, on the 17th, to execute on that plan. And how do you get that extra edge? Yeah, I was a little different. I didn't like to set goals because I'm so like OCD about it

that it would make me raise my expectations. And then if I didn't achieve him, it would devastate me. And it would actually not, I'm trying to, if I say take me out of the game, what I mean is it would affect my performance for a number of tournaments because I would be devastated that I didn't achieve what I wanted to achieve. So I was pretty loose on setting goals, but I made up for it with the preparation part and the practice part.

Like I wanted to walk onto a range of the tournament and look down the range and go, there's not one dude here that's put in. in as much work as me, you know? Gotcha. And so that was how I felt like every, every athlete that plays at the highest level, they've got to try and find a way that they're going to get an edge.

At least they've got to think that they've got an edge over the competition. And for me, that was it. I always felt like I was, I was one of the hardest workers out there. And then when I was competing, I was mega, mega in the moment. So much so that, you know,

I've told the story a bunch of times, but the final round of the masters, did not look at a leaderboard. Like I believed, I honestly believed that if I played my best golf, I would win that day. And so in my mind the night before, I was like, well,

why do I need to even look at a leaderboard if I already know that if I play my best tomorrow, I've got a two-shot lead right now, and if I play my best golf, then I'll be fine. And so going down the back nine, you get to 18 and I can feel I made a major screw up on 16 I hit it in the water the wind was heavy out of the left and I was between a seven and an eight iron and I decided to go with the

seven and take some off of it and the wind was out of the left like I said so I'm aiming up the left edge of the green pins in that Sunday whole location taking a little off of it and I just pull it and because I'm I'm taking some yardage off it's it's flighted down a bit more so the wind doesn't hit it goes in the water. And so you hear the groan from the patrons and the crowd and you make a double bogey. And even though I made a double bogey walking off the green, I got a standing ovation. And I was like, well, that's a little weird, you know, I must still be leading. Maybe they can't do math. Yeah, exactly. There's like two giant leaderboards down there. And so I'm walking to 17 and I'm obviously disappointed and I'm like, but I must

be leading. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, how do I par these last two holes? And that was all that mattered to me at that moment. And then you pass 17 and you walk, you know, off the back of it. It's a downhill slope and turn right to go to 18T and people shouting at you and you can hear South African accents and voices in the crowd, shouting Afrikaans, sayings, you know, language we have back home.

And again, I said to myself, okay, you must at least have a one-shot lead. So how can you make a bogey or a par here? And just either win this thing or get in a playoff. And the next thought was, where you've got to hit the fairway. Because 18 is so narrow. If you get it in the trees right off the tea,

you can make you be down there all day. And so I brought myself right back to like, just get it in the fair. It's all that matters. Just get it in the fairway. It like consumed me in that moment. Get to the fairway, hit it on the green, turn to my caddy. And I'm like, how are we doing?

And he says, oh, well, you threw you up. It's over. And I mean, I had no idea. And I actually still said to him, so, wait, so I can three putt and win. And he said, no, you can four putt and win. And I was like, okay, I can do that. And so that was the first moment, the whole week that I actually. Jesus.

When I looked around, I saw faces for the first time. Because for the whole week, and every time I had a chance to win a tournament, which wasn't all that often, but the times that I had, I would go blank like that. I would see a leaderboard, but I wouldn't see, I would see names, I wouldn't see numbers. I would see people. I wouldn't see their faces. I was in a total trance that way, really. But that was the first moment once I knew that it was over, I looked up and I started

actually seeing people that I recognized in the crowd and spotting my family behind the green. And that was a moment I'll never forget. To be able to enjoy that, you know. You had a one-shot lead. You had a one-shot lead. Like after 17, a par on 17. We're flirting my chain, man. Let's go.

But you're setting micro goals in that moment is amazing. It's just like boiling it down. Yeah. So going back to your original question is I would get so deep. into that moment. Right. And so that was my thing. Yeah.

That was a fucking amazing story. Thank you. No, but that's, I mean, you were... Maybe I'll try poetry next to me. Dude.

You might be top... Top two or three on the show. I don't think I've ever been more engaged in a conversation. Like, I felt everything you were saying. I could feel the wind coming around. I was walking with you.

Yeah, I was walking with you. That was crazy. Well, because we've talked to a lot of players in this show and we ask them about the leaderboard thing. And obviously it's a topic of conversation. And a lot of people will say, yeah, of course I look at it. And they'll give the reasons why and it makes all the sense in the world. And we always think like, what's the other side of that?

And that's what it is. That's the other side of it. What I found earlier in my career playing on the European tour was when I had a chance and I would look at the leaderboard, if I was behind, I would play too aggressive and make stupid mistakes. And then that night, flying back to London, going home, and you're sitting back there and you're like, it turned out I only lost by one shot. And on this hole, I went at that flag when I ordinarily wouldn't. And on that hole, I was too aggressive on that 20 footer and I three putted.

And you're like, if I had just played my normal game, I had won this thing. Right. And then on the flip side, you'd be when you're in the lead and you've got a two or three shot lead and you look at the leaderboard. And then I found that I started playing too defensively. And I would make mistakes because I was too defensive. And so eventually I was like, screw that. I'm never looking at the thing again. I'm just going to play my game, and I believe that I've put in more or as much work than anybody here.

And if I find a way to play my best, I can live with whatever happens. I was talking with Max Homer, shortly after he won at Riviera, I remember he told me that Justin Thomas texted him before his final round at Riviera when he won, and just told him, you don't have to play perfect golf to win. and he's like that really resonated with me in a lot of the ways that you're saying now where it's like no no if you play your game everyone's going to make mistakes nobody plays perfect golf you'll still have a chance to win yeah so i would always try and train myself into just play the shot on its merits whether i'm out playing with you or whether i'm playing in the

masters hit the shot that you know is the right shot because at the end of the day at the end of at the end of your career. If you do that every time, you're going to be better off. How about when Tiger said that he told Charlie that the next shot is more important than breathing? It may be a step too far, but I get where he's going.

Listen, people wanted to say it. It might be stuff. Trevor Lumin can say that. Breathing's important, but I totally get what he's saying. I totally get what he's saying. That was for shock value, made him get the point.

So the Champions Dinner, you're at that every year. What's that night? Walk us through that night. What's that night like? Yeah, it's incredible. Lost for about three hours. Everybody pitches up between 6 and 6.30, grabs a drink, kind of mingles around the locker room.

Drink-wise, you can order just whatever you want. Imagine? Yeah. It's Augustine National. I bet they got it. But I'm saying, whatever you want here. He's getting there after 6.

But do they have them like for 6? I mean, everybody's showing up at 6 or is it? Do I'm saying, do they have them like out like this? Or is the guy, someone just comes up to you. It's like,

what would you like to drink? There's actually a bar right outside the champion's locker room. Gotcha. Yeah. And so you're, I mean, guys are, you know,

red wine is popular. Mm-hmm. A lot of guys will just be drinking a soft drink, depending on how, you know, where they're at. Some of the older guys may be going, a little heavier.

And so you run the full gamut there, but normally you have a cocktail or two, hang out. They'll have some hors d'oeuvres. And then everybody mingles into the dining room. Get a photo first, which is cool. We always get excited when the photo comes out. Yeah, photo is cool. And then you sit down. Everybody knows their spot, even though there's no...

Is that right? Yeah, there's no named seating. but everybody knows their spot. Where's your spot? I'm down on, well, when we used to do it before COVID, up in the library, which is right next to the champion's locker room, it was just a long rectangular table. And so on the one side is the chairman,

the defending champion, and Ben Crenshaw, who emcees the event. So I sit down on the far corner, been there since 2010. Okay. We've got, Mikkelson has come to sit, sit next to me for the last four or five years.

Adam Scott sits on the other side. Gary Player is down there. Vijay sits directly across from me. Always always giving me a hard time. Charles Swartzel sits down there. Mike Weirc sits down there with us. It seems like a nice little corner down there. Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, oh, yeah. And just further up on the side, so to my right is Adam. And then it normally goes like O'Meara, Tiger, and Arnie used to sit next to Tiger, and then Jack. It's just incredible. Down on the far corner, you've got. What a just fascinating dynamic. Yeah, that's the Arne used to sit.

I can listen to you to talk about the layout of a table where people sit for hours. That's so interesting. But in the last since COVID, we've switched it out because there's been more spacing. And so we've been in a bigger room with a different shaped table so that people can space out. But still, it's been myself, Phil, Mike Weir and Adam that have kind of been down on the one corner. And it lost a couple hours, multiple times during the evening, I'll sit back and be like, how on earth did I get into this position? You know, some little kid that fell in love with a game down in South Africa

and is all of a sudden here. And so that always sort of jolts me at some point during the evening. But most importantly really is when you start to understand so much about these different champions because you see them being kind of vulnerable at times. and particularly the guys, the defending champion, it gets up to give a speech. I mean, it's a pretty intimidating moment. You know, when you stand up and you look down this table,

and it's all the guys you've ever read about, watched about, you know, dreamt about being in the same room with sitting right in front of you. And so it's a pretty intimidating moment. And so you get a lot of really cool, authentic moments from these champs that are extremely special. Wow. I got a random question. So you talked about people drinking different things.

Yeah. Depending on where they're at. Now, it's obviously a dinner that's been given by the past champion. If you're in, like, you know, food and well-being has become such a thing for these active players that if you're a former champion still playing, does everybody still, everybody eats that meal or? Not necessarily. Yeah. I would say most do. Yeah.

But if somebody wants to order something else, they just say, well, I. I'd rather have a steak with Brussels sprouts, and that's what they get. Wow. What do you think about that? I've always eaten whatever the champions. Yeah, I think that's the right play. I think that's the right play. But I will say, if you're like, if you're playing tomorrow and you think that.

Tom Brady enters that room, he's just going to eat like the TB12, rice and bean, whatever. A bunch of lettuce, whatever they got. Yeah, maybe. But maybe he'll just decide, I'm at the champions dinner. I think you should come there. Yeah, that's, I think. how it seems like you view it like we're all this is he won we're going to eat that i think that's it's been some amazing meals of these um adam scott did a great job and the way the way guys

decide in a in a way it's an opportunity to not show off but show your appreciation for the room and so guys go out of their way to just really make it as special as possible and the the wine pairings and stuff like that what was yours i actually for me it had been 30 years since the South African had won. This 1978 was Gary's last master's win. So I decided to run a competition in the biggest newspaper down in South Africa. Oh, way. And so people could write in and enter their idea.

And so we ended up going with a meal called Baburti, which is very popular down in Cape Town, where I'm from. And we served that with traditional, South African desserts, cook sisters and milk tart, and then wines from the town that I grew up in. And it was really cool because it was kind of a cool evening and this meal has got a little bit of like a curry taste to it, spice to it. So the guys really liked it. And then a number of the players like I vividly remember that night Jack Nicholas after the meal comes up to him. It's like, oh, that milk tart was awesome because he goes to South Africa.

Africa regularly and as many times throughout his career, so knows the culture and the cuisine really well. And he came up and was like, oh, the desserts were perfect. I haven't had it like that in a long time. And those, that's cool moments. So hit me with the logistics. Like when you're having wines from your hometown and stuff, do you just tell Augustin Ashah, this is what I'm looking for and they just do it?

Or do you have to like tell them how to get it? No, it just gets done. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. You knew that was the answer. That's what I thought.

I just wanted to hear you say. Somebody's footing that bill. Somebody's making that decision. No, no, the champs pay for the dinner. Oh, probably champ pays for it. Yeah. Champ pays. We got a lot of DMs about if the Georgia, he's an Alabama fan over here.

You're Clemson, right? I'm Clemson guy, yeah. What's his name, Stetson, Bennett? He's the Georgia QB. You think he'll just have an all-time pass to Augustine National? I don't know. I don't know. he's very popular in those parts

I was gonna say maybe like one of the most popular people of all time in that I don't know he's very popular no I know I yes I agree that he's popular but I

but like I'm just saying if there's ever a guy to you know if he doesn't get in like but that's the thing it's like that's not enough

what are you done for me lately might be there who knows how those decisions are made like the decision does he play golf I don't know

I assume he does. Most QBs play golf. Yeah, I think that's right. I would say historically, maybe, they go against the obvious decision. That's true. What an amazing place. Last thing is that we've been taking you forever. All right, we got a few folks on this show who have recently purchased homes,

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Well, your support's going to be very helpful, Riggs. I noticed how you supported the Europeans at the Radica. A couple of those flat brems you gave me are sick. The logos and safe. I've actually got some gear for all of you. I know these guys are going to be a little tougher for them, you know. Maybe give it to a international friend of yours or something. It really is a great logo.

It's a great logo. Yeah, man, I've got to give a shout out to Ernie else on that. Yeah. He did an incredible job. It's a little villainous. It is. That's exactly that. If those things fly in America this year, we have a problem with America.

Frankie, have you been on our website to buy one of these hoodies yet? You really should. Is that where we can get them? You should, yeah. So what's the website? Where do we go to? It's on Fanatics. It's all through the PGA, too.

I'll send it to you so we can get it out. Great. We can do that. It's something actually that I thought was extremely important, never been done before in our team. Quite honestly, before Ernie did the logo, we just had like some random blue flag with some yellow stars on it. We didn't really even have a flag or a logo because we were just a bunch of guys from all over the world. And he decided that we needed something that we could build on. and it went so well and was accepted so well that I was like,

we've got to find a way to get some merch out there and build this fan base. Because when you think of it, the countries and regions we represent, it's billions of people. So how can we find a way for out of those billions of people to draw the ones that play golf or like to watch golf to support our team every two years?

how can we run this a little bit more like a sporting franchise and not just like, you know, 12 dudes that are thrown together to play against the Americans? How can we build something that is real and lasting? And so the merch part was extremely important to me, just like the social media stuff. Like, how can people find out more about Hedecki or Kamp Smith or any of these other youngsters we've got coming through? And so for me, that was important to try and build some kind of foundation. and who knows where it'll be in 15 or 20 years.

It's an amazing. I remember in Australia how that was for us, and the Ryder Cup this last year may have been the only thing that's really like trumped it, but the President's Cup at Royal Melbourne, that environment there was awesome. Yeah, it was awesome. It was off the church.

My first experience of team golf and seeing fans and like rooting for a team as opposed to one golfer. I've always said that that's my biggest gripe with golf is that we're just happy. with whoever wins. Any given Thursday to Sunday, we're just like, yeah, I'll take whoever wins and we'll just cling on. It's cool to get behind a team every now.

Oh, that's amazing. But to answer your question, you know, how are we going to get it done, man? It'll be one of the biggest upsets in sports if we get it done, particularly after the performance the Americans put on at Whistling Straits. I mean, that was dominant. It had attitude to it. They played with the chip on their shoulder.

They ran the leaderboard up on Sunday. There was no holds barred there. They were absolutely sending a message to everybody that, you know, in their mind, things are going to change and they're going to win out from here on. So that collection of players that they have is extremely impressive, best players in the world. We see that, you know, for the most part, week in and week out. But you just never know with sports. The result's not there until it's played.

And we're going to have to find a way to, in America, against the home team on their home soil, do something that's never been done before. You know, never, never beaten the American team here in the U.S. So it'll take something gigantic, something massively special. But who knows? You're setting yourself up for an unreal, like when we go back, if you guys end up pulling this off. Good clip. These clips are going to be all time. He's also not showing us.

He's not showing us cards either. No, he's just saying. He said anything. I think he said anything. He's just being really vague. He hasn't said, he's been very huge and gigantic, but he hasn't said anything, but I think that's smart. Well, I think, I think we, we, you know, I think the way that I've changed the

qualification criteria puts us in a position to where we're going to be able to identify the eight best international players. You're already seeing that with where the rankings are right now at the P.E. GA championship, it'll kick up and the points will multiply. So now you're going to get the guys that have played well and played the best during the majors and the biggest tournaments. And so we feel good about the top eight that'll get automatically qualify. You know, those should be the guys that we all expect, that we watch week in and week out.

And then how good of a job can we be filling in the rest of the team? and we'll be able to step up to the plate when it matters. This is a sore subject for Riggs, but when our buddy Kevin Kisner didn't get picked for the American team, there was a lot of discussion, Riggs being the leader of this, about him being a locker room guy. How much do you put onto that?

You know, you talk a little bit about it with Hadecki, but... It's big. Yeah. It's big. For us, it's Cam Smith and Louis Oostezen. Louis Oostazen is one of the funniest, coolest guys you could ever wish to hang around does not take himself seriously is he just he

pulls people towards him you know he'll be singing karaoke in the bus to and from a golf course every day and he'll be you'll dress up for half the dinners in like Halloween outfits and so the guy just finds a way to calm everybody down and take the temperature down um um um So, yeah, he's that guy. He's that guy. We've got a lot of characters now that are starting to come through younger guys. So it's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome.

We cannot wait. As a kid growing up who loves sport and when you're getting into a sport and you decide, okay, I want to give this a shot, like this is what I want to do with my life, all you can ever dream of is having an opportunity to compete against the best. And that's what the opportunity these guys are going to get. Record-breaking team, the Americans, with what they just did to the European side in America. I mean, this is it.

Like, if this doesn't get your juices going as a player for the international team, nothing will. This is your shot. Like I'm going to locker right now for the international team. Yeah. We just got the speech. It's going to be great. I just got gasped up for the president.

Risk reward course for sure, this golf course. I've done a lot of video watching. leading up to this thing as a captain is this something you're just going to go with on the fly like when to take the risks when to take when to sit back like how are you going to kind of attack this golf course and be the captain i'm not going to give you all my secrets for me you tried you tried i will say i will say though that look the course is well known by everybody you know these guys have played this course a bunch of time i think the way they've changed the routing is going to make it even more exciting risk reward because you're going to have in the space of five or six

holes you're going to have two drive will par fours you can have two par fives um and so you're going to have a lot going on even before you get to that green mile yeah so that green mile is going to play as 13 14 15 um so yeah there's there's going to be a lot going on and it's going to be it's going to be loud and rowdy. They've sold a lot of tickets already. Well, a lot of people are going to be disappointed because they didn't get to the Ryder Cup or they're going to be so jacked up about how cool that was that it's like, now we have another one.

We get to do this all again. We get to now watch competitive international golf and team golf. That's, I can't wait for it. Yeah, me too. We're going to crush you, but I can't wait for it. You've been so nice. You've invited us into your home. I think you're about to feed us a bunch of barbecue, but we will still be rooting

against it. How's the barbecue in Orlando, Florida? We're about to find out. I'm not sure I've eaten from this restaurant, but I trust my wife. We'll be fine. Your wife's been incredible. I know she's been patient with us, you know, holding you in this room forever. She's been super hospitable, so I think it's probably time for us to go eat too.

Can I finish up with this guy's poem? Oh, yeah. Frankie's going to finish. Just from some random guy? So this is Sean Kilganin. How do you pronounce the golf course name from this week? Wait, what? Why lie?

Why lie? Why lie? Why lie country club? Because that's a massive part of the first line. Gotcha. Massive part of the... Pronunciation is important in poetry. Nothing's going to run.

The first stanza? Are we calling the stanzas? Yeah. There's stanzas, correct? Yeah. So this is submitted from Sean Kilganon on Instagram at like 2 o'clock in the morning. Thank you, Sean. No.

You have not replied to this person? No. So they have no idea this is coming from that. They have no idea. How do you say that name again? Why lie? Jake hit the music. It's poem time.

This week's event was played at Wiley, where missing the fairway meant a bad lie. Some pros struggled to read the Bermuda. They missed the cut when fishing for barracuda. Firing in round one, Jim's play was sage. A few more aces old Furik may have shot his age. A flash in the pan, this form was flea. giving. Give Jim a medal just for competing. Watching Matt Jones his play so fast,

if you scored on time, Kevin Nah would be last. Grayson fired a tweet and started the feud. Nah ended it fast, he was not in the mood. Coming down the stretch, Kiz made a splash. Another top five adding to his mountain of cash. Consistently great, he's the short course king, hitting tight draws with that tillery sling. that tillery swing.

Making some waves was Hideki Matsuyama. With a stellar back nine, he really brought the drama. Going head to head with the leader named Russell, setting up a battle of finesse versus muscle. From 250 out, Matsuyama set up an eagle, with a shot so good that they should make it illegal. During the playoff, Henley fell apart. He was no match for Hideki's three wood dart.

Beautiful. Okay. That's awesome. It really picked up in the like latter half. You know, I just, shout out to Sean Kilganon. And, you know, we've really just inspired a new generation of poets. Is this a new segment now for you guys? I think I'm going to keep doing it.

I think it is. It's a good way of recapping the week, the weekend. And it just has a little fun to the game, you know? That's a keeper. Great job, Sean. Took a shot at. We get submissions like that each week, too. Well, let's not put my original poem from week one just out the fuck on the, okay.

I'm gonna keep doing original ones. I just want you all to know. We did a lot of traveling. You know, we're here eating some barbecue. I didn't have time to write a fucking poem. So Sean did one thing there. There you go. You're not gonna outsource every week.

No. I'll let you know. I'll give the credit. What'd you think of that? That was good. I thought it was good. The tillery one made me feel good. I enjoyed that a lot.

I saw Trent kind of just shipped it up in each. Oh, before we really. That's my guy. Before we really, I'm sorry. We're about to do break in 90 with this fella right here. How's the bunker play? The same. It's, yeah, I feel I'm still not comfortable in a bunker.

As a viewer of his game, I know you've seen some stuff that we've done. You've seen him just on the internet. Is the bunker play, let's say he just works on that. You talked about tiger putting for fucking two days. Yeah, do I just need to get lost for two days? Does he break 90 with just fixing that? You're going to go wander in the desert for two days? I think you should do that.

Just get in there and figure it out. Is that the difference? Find your feel. Find a feel that works for you. I'd say this. this. Number one, just make sure the ball position is forward. Okay. Get the ball position forward, like on that front foot, maybe even on the front toe. Get it way forward. And then what that's going to allow you to do is it's going to give you some extra time to release the shaft,

throw that club head, but also keep going with your trail shoulder. Because a lot of people, they play the ball back, and then to release it or to give it loft. then they tilt their shoulders back like that. Yep. And then the low point of the swing becomes very inconsistent. And so the shot becomes very inconsistent. So just go into a bunker for a while, accept that you can hit a bunch of crappy looking shots,

but just keep the ball forward and you're going to find something. You're going to find something. The most important thing is to find something you can trust. I like that. There's so many people visually lining themselves up right now. now with the we all do the wrong things i haven't chipped a good ball in 45 years he does just walk up to the to the bunker because as i like trying to be his hype man and his just viewer he just walks up the bunker and he puts it right in the middle of his stance and he just hacks at it

yeah and there's no thought about ball position at all it's just let's just see if we can open this up and just try and scoop it out of here and now if you don't put that ball in the front of your foot i'm gonna like shoot you with like a BB gun or also like anytime anytime anybody feels like anxious or uncertain, you're going to kind of want to sort of crawl up into a ball a little more. Yes. And so all of that goes with pushing the ball position back, which makes you're never, ever going to find a great bunker player with the ball back. I mean, go look at videos of Aisinger or Luke Donald or Sevy.

The guy's like, the ball is so far forward. And they just spank that thing with the release, the hand, the shoulders covering. and that bull to that's it I need it I need well that's what we gotta work on oh yeah

I'm gonna I'm gonna get lost in a bunker I do just need to I need to spend so much time in there because we talk about on the show all the time but like

when you have a bunker shot and if you don't practice it you won't have your next bunker shot until you're in another bunker and that's not the way to do it wasn't you guys saying that if we just throw like 30 or 40 balls in a bunker

in a practice range it's more than we'll hit all year think about that because like average amateur players think about that It's also natural, though, to try and veer away from stuff you struggle with. Just go the other way for a minute, you know, accept that you're not very good at it,

and go the other way and spend time and just see what happens. It's not going to get worse. I've been doing the exact office. I've been posting absolute piss missiles off of the mat because I know I can hit him really well. He's right. That's exactly right. Like, I don't go to a bunker. Like, if there's a bunker to practice facility, I'm not going to do it because I'm worried

everyone's going to watch me. Just blade bunker shots. We've got to see a daily nine out of a greenside bunker. All right, we can try that. But again, it's nerve-wracking. That's you're really exposed. We avoid the things we're bad at it. We do, which is not the way to improve.

Opposite of the practice philosophy that. Okay. All right, I'm going to take that a new account. Barbecue time. I think it's barbecue time. Trevor Hellman. Thank you.

Thank you. This was a captain. Thanks for welcome to your home. Let's get a little dinner. Absolutely. Thanks. Great to be with you. Thanks.

That was unbelievable. Oh, it's unbelievable. good. Thanks.